From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 01:02:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04525 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04277; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:57:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04169; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04148; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts21.loop.net (p10.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.247]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA20587; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807010455.VAA20587@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Parker" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 20:32:22 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CPU cooling pgms. truly increase battery life? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 TPincoming@aol.com wrote: > >> Apparently these programs only provide these advantages under Windows 95/98; >> Win NT is already coded to produce these benefits. > > Yes, real operating systems like Linux, OS/2 and NT already do this. >All it really does is send a bunch of HLT instructions to the CPU. I >still don't get why Microsoft couldn't do this in Win98. > And for reference, if I didn't run RC5 on either my ThinkPad or my P75, I could run the P75 WITHOUT a cooling fan (and did that for a while with absolutely NO problems), and my ThinkPad didn't get as hot. Both running OS/2 Warp. When I had Win95 on my ThinkPad when I accidently messed up my HD about a year ago, the machine got warmer, and the battery didn't last as long. Probably because 16 bit DOS isn't as effiicient in CPU usage as 32 bit OSes. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 , Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 01:45:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05115 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05503; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:37:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05410; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05398; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts21.loop.net (p10.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.247]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22510; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807010534.WAA22510@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "I Lee Hetherington" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 22:36:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CPU cooling pgms. truly increase battery life? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:48:03 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >I've tried both Waterfall and Rain both on a desktop and on a TP600 and >noticed system flakiness. Removing the programs removed the flakiness. > >I thought Win98 should already have the power-saving capabilities of >these programs. That's one of its claims. I doubt it. I have yet to see a version of DOS that actually keeps the CPU when idle, or even when running small programs. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 , Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 01:47:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05131 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05709; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:38:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05588; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05569; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts21.loop.net (p10.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.247]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22604 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807010536.WAA22604@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 22:38:26 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Free ThinkPad Video available from IBM Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:35:43 EDT, TPincoming@aol.com wrote: >Just added to the ThinkPad website at > >http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/tpvideo.html > I recieved this last week. I didn't look at the whole thing, but it looks nicely done, and I am surprised at how thin the 560 really looks. I say that if it's free, get it while you can. :) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 , Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 04:34:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA06857 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12920; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:26:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12827; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net (raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net [209.178.63.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12814; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (sdn-ar-004azphoeP079.dialsprint.net [206.133.139.167]) by raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA01110 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001101bda4c8$31b1eb00$a78b85ce@oemcomputer> From: "Walter Kelting Jr." To: Subject: Thinkpad 755c charging anomaly? Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:13:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just bought a refurbished IBM 755c through online auction. I have fallen in love with the machine already, but have noticed what appears to be a charging anomaly: If the AC adapter is plugged into the system when the machine is already running (or, if the system is switched on after the adapter has been plugged in and began charging), the charge light remains on for a few seconds, then goes dark, and the battery light, at the moment the charge light goes dark, changes from a solid color to an oscillating amber/green. This happens regardless of battery condition (high or low). When the system is powered off, the charge light comes on again, and the battery light changes from warbling amber/green, to a steady color. Can someone tell me what this means? The battery charges great, when the system is off, and also, the battery runtime seems to be in the ballpark, relative to the published specs of what is expected (it's a NiMH). Now, I checked the IBM support web site and found a short article ( at http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/72da.html )stating that certain 755c's will not charge on AC, with certain 35 watt AC adapters, and the recommendation is to purchase a 40 watt adapter for such 755c systems. Three part numbers of 35 watt adapters are listed, of which my adapter matches one. Here is my question: if this is a known problem, is it with my *particular* 35 watt adapter, or the 755c? That is, if I were to buy another *35 watt* adapter (not on the list of the 3) from the corner computer store (40 watt adapters don't seem to be widely available anymore, if at all), will I have the same problem? The article mentioned above lists 3 AC adapters by part number, but at the time of the article, perhaps those 3 were the only 35 watt adaptors in production, which raises the question whether the problem was specitic to only those adapters (in combination with affected 755c systems), or whether *any* 35 watt adaptor (in combination with certain 755c's) will create this problem. Any comments or similar experiences would be appreciated, as well as model numbers of non-35 watt adapters, if anyone thinks that is what I really need. Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 11:00:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA11615 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05295; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04985; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantic-ocean.carlson-marketing.co.uk (mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk [193.130.232.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04911; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:49:15 +0100 Message-ID: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C69B966@DANUBE> From: "Murray, Pete" To: Thinkpad Digest Subject: 770 questions Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:53:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have some questions on the 770ED NTSC According to the IBM web site the DVD drive only plays NTSC disks, what does this mean for us poor limeys as we use PAL? HDD If I buy spare HDD for the 770, does it come with an OS installed(I want to alternate between Win9x/NT) and can I access it from the ultrabay(with an adapter) ? TV Tuner Does anybody know of any PC Card TV tuners that work with the 770? Thank you Pete Murray From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 12:56:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13536 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13354; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:47:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13111; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13093; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA14043 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807011647.JAA14043@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 screens? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone looked at both the 13.3" and 14.1" 770 screens, preferably side by side? Is there significant difference besides the size? How important is the extra 0.8"? I've heard that the 770 screen is incredibly bright compared to other laptops, but am not sure if that applies only to the 14.1" or also to the 13.3"--any experiences? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 13:29:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14167 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17696; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:24:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16806; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16385; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id MAA15504; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: <359A708C.7E05B8FE@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 17:22:43 UT Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:23:24 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Murray, Pete" CC: Thinkpad Digest Subject: Re: 770 questions References: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C69B966@DANUBE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Pete, I can answer one of your questions (see below): Murray, Pete wrote: > > I have some questions on the 770ED > > NTSC > According to the IBM web site the DVD drive only plays NTSC disks, what > does this mean for us poor limeys as we use PAL? > > HDD > If I buy spare HDD for the 770, does it come with an OS installed(I want > to alternate between Win9x/NT) and can I access it from the > ultrabay(with an adapter) ? It would almost certainly not come with an OS installed. I don't know that I've ever seen this. It would be pretty hard to sell this way because ultimately lots of drivers and setting have to be customized for the particular laptop that it's being used in. When buying an extra HD for the 770 there are a couple of things to be aware of. First, you have to read the description carefully to see if the drive is built with the correct shell to fit the regular HD bay. Only a 770-specific HD will fit there. Sometimes you'll see drives advertised for the 770 but in the fine print it says you can only use them in the Ultrabay with an adapter. Most drives built for the 76x models will work in a 770 with an adapter (about $69) in the Ultrabay. This same adapter is also required to use a 770-specific drive in the Ultrabay. Another option is to buy a generic drive and insert the guts into a 770 or 76x drive shell. I don't know much about this. There is someone else on the ThinkPad list (Bill Morrow, I believe) that sells these shells. I think his web site is http://thinkpads.com. If you buy a HD that you can only use in the Ultrabay, you can still install another OS on it and boot from it. However, things can get tricky with this setup. For instance, you can't use the Ultrabay CD player when the HD is installed, so you might have to copy the OS's setup CD to the built in drive or connect to another computer's shared CD drive via a network adapter to do the install. I have successfully installed Linux and Win98 this way on a HD in the Ultrabay. You'll need to make a change in the BIOS's boot sequence to be able to boot from the HD in the Ultrabay (HD2) and you'll have to change it back to boot from the main HD (HD1). If you have more specific questions I'd be happy to field them. > > TV Tuner > Does anybody know of any PC Card TV tuners that work with the 770? > > Thank you > > Pete Murray Later, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@nospam@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 13:43:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14422 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18686; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:40:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18427; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com (ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com [206.135.184.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18413; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011740.NAA18413@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from [172.25.38.210] ([10.1.3.29]) by ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA24158 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:40:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:39:41 -0700 Subject: carrying case recommendation From: "Calpico" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OK, it's time to get a carrying case for my ThinkPad 760XL. I am looking for a 3 compartment case to hold my thinkpad, zip drive, and lots of stuff. What are you using? I've been looking at the Port Thinkpad standard carryall. Anyone have this case? Is it durable? Does the shoulder strap squeak when you walk around? What's cool? What's not? I want to know. Also considering Kensington, Targus, and if anyone can tell me where I can order Tumi, them, too. Thanks all! -Roy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 13:54:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14581 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19726; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:50:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19409; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1.gmx.net (qmailr@pop1.gmx.net [194.97.64.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19299; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10810 invoked by alias); 1 Jul 1998 17:48:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19980701174852.10809.qmail@pop1.gmx.net> From: "Michael Lohfink" To: "Thinkpad Mailingliste" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:21:35 +0000 Reply-To: "Michael Lohfink" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: PCMCIA CombiCard ISDN,Modem & Ethernet Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I=EFm looking for a PCMCIA Card for my TP. If possible the following feat= ures in one card=20 together. - ISDN=20 - Modem V90 - Ethernet There is only one problem, it must work with OS/2 V4. I think there will be no problems with the modem and Ethernet but with th= e ISDN support. Most Companies I ask, denied the ISDN Support for OS/2. Is there somebody who=EFs using such a card or somebody who=EFs using a c= ombination like this=20 realized with max. two cards ? Maybe he can send me a report (positive an negative points)? Thanks Michael Lohfink From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 13:59:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14691 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19855; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:51:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19509; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19485; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA13271; Wed, 1 Jul 98 13:50:49 EDT Message-Id: <359A76F8.F24D88B9@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:50:48 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 screens? References: <199807011647.JAA14043@netcom9.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have had 14.1" 770 screen immediately next to a 13.3" 600 screen. I just switched from the 770 to the 600, and i have to say that I do not notice the difference in size at all. The footprint of the 13.3" 770 will be slightly smaller than the 14.1". (It's kind of interesting to have a 600 next to a 770: the 600 with the lid down is thinner than the 770 with the lid up!) --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 14:08:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14885 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20891; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:05:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20644; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20628; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id LAA27139; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807011804.LAA27139@netcom9.netcom.com> To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: 770 screens? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have had 14.1" 770 screen immediately next to a 13.3" 600 screen. I just switched from the 770 to the 600, and i have to say that I do not notice the difference in size at all. The footprint of the 13.3" 770 will be slightly smaller than the 14.1". (It's kind of interesting to have a 600 next to a 770: the 600 with the lid down is thinner than the 770 with the lid up!) Thanks. That's interesting about the size, though it doesn't really tell anything about the brightness, since the 13.3" 770 screen is the same as the 13.3" 765 screen, while the 770 14.1" screen is newer (introduced with the 770). It's possible (don't know one way or the other) that the 600 screen is also a new model with brightness similar to the 14.1" 770 screen (supposedly 30% brighter than previous laptops). Yes, the 600 is tempting, especially since there are some no-cost X servers available for it now (still not "free" since they're binary-only). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 14:12:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14981 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21551; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:09:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21159; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21145; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA13415; Wed, 1 Jul 98 14:08:57 EDT Message-Id: <359A7B37.300A1539@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:08:55 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 screens? References: <199807011804.LAA27139@netcom9.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 600's 13.3" screen is every bit as bright as the 770 14.1" screen. They're both absolutely beautiful. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 14:50:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15604 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24337; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:46:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24055; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24038; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-009-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.105]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27416; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <359A83F8.BCA296DB@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:46:16 -0600 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Calpico CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: carrying case recommendation References: <199807011740.NAA18413@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I use several Rhino and Tumi bags, but my favorite is the IBM ThinkPad backpack... I have had it since August 1996. It has held up well. Is nicely padded, lots of little compartments, and handy for those long hauls. Next to the IBM bags (which are not cheap) I like the Rhino. The Rhino bags are pretty good, but you should try to get a look at them first... some are too large, overpadded, bulky, others are too small and underpadded. The Tumi are nice, but way too expensive. There are bags for sale at the bottom of the notebook section of www.onsale.com that you can get for as little as $15 including shipping.... made by Targus. Ray Bayles Calpico wrote: > OK, it's time to get a carrying case for my ThinkPad 760XL. I am looking > for a 3 compartment case to hold my thinkpad, zip drive, and lots of stuff. > What are you using? > > I've been looking at the Port Thinkpad standard carryall. Anyone have this > case? Is it durable? Does the shoulder strap squeak when you walk around? > What's cool? What's not? I want to know. > > Also considering Kensington, Targus, and if anyone can tell me where I can > order Tumi, them, too. > > Thanks all! > > -Roy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 15:37:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16418 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27555; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:33:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27248; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27225; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:33:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CYNTa22301 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d738729.359a8eea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:32:57 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ordering TP600...Should I be scared? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, now that I'm really (really, really) close to ordering one of these, I've suddenly gotten a premature case of buyer's remorse. Am I crazy to spend thousands of dollars for a machine I've never yet laid hands on, that is essentially unreturnable? How did you all deal with this? Am I unreasonable to be scared? Or is there a way to buy/test-drive these machines that I'm unaware of? Any comments appreciated! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 16:26:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17170 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00749; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:25:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00643; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00620; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulldog (paix-sds-gw4-47.ncal.verio.com [207.21.130.110]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14435; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807012025.NAA14435@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:24:58 -0700 To: Paul Rubin From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: Re: 770 screens? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807011647.JAA14043@netcom9.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Paul. At 09:47 AM 7/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone looked at both the 13.3" and 14.1" 770 screens, preferably >side by side? Is there significant difference besides the size? How >important is the extra 0.8"? I've heard that the 770 screen is >incredibly bright compared to other laptops, but am not sure if that >applies only to the 14.1" or also to the 13.3"--any experiences? >Thanks. I haven't compared the 13.3" and 14.1" 770 screens side-by-side, but can tell you that my 770ED 14.1" screen is the brightest TFT active matrix LCD screen I've ever seen! I was startled when I first turned on the 770ED after buying it...the screen looked wonderful, very impressive...great resolution and brightness, but I didn't realize that the brightness control was actually turned down. When I maximized the brightness control, I sat back and said "wow"...I've never seen a brighter (or better looking) TFT display on any laptop...including the previous three ThinkPads I've owned. As far as the difference in size between the 13.3" and the 14.1", I think it makes a big difference depending on the type of applications you run. As a graphics designer, I never use anything less then a 21" high-resolution monitor on my desktop and have always felt a bit limited using any laptop...because of limited screen size, processor power, and storage capabilities. My 770ED is the first laptop I've owned which allows me to be really productive away from my studio system (dual-PII400 with 30Gb on online storage). With its PII266 processor, 128Mb of ram, 8.1 Gb of disk storage, internal VST zip drive, and big bright 14.1" screen with fast graphics controller, I can finally work anywhere and still be productive. For me, the larger the screen the better...so the 14.1" screen does make a difference for me. Also, the 770ED's Ultra-Bay allows me to run an extra battery or 8.1Gb hard drive along with those already in the machine...which makes this a very powerful production tool for me. --sandy sandy@sandy.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 17:00:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17956 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02871; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:58:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02755; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02741; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id NAA25827; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807012057.NAA25827@netcom9.netcom.com> To: sandy@sandy.com Subject: Re: 770 screens? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks. The main thing I care about the screen for is software development. I like to use two 80-column text windows side by side. The main limitation on laptops now seems to be screen resolution rather than size. I've heard that IBM showed a 1280x1024 770 at Comdex a while back, so that's the thing scaring me from spending a fortune on a 770 right now. I'm torn between getting a used 13.3" 770 >from a list member, or a new 14.1" 770E from a dealer/liquidator. Both are pretty good deals, but of course the 770E is a lot more expensive in absolute terms. I'm not -too- concerned about raw cpu speed, so the Pentium II isn't that important to me, making the 770E kind of financially questionable, but hey, it's the latest and greatest. The price difference is pretty significant, but the 770E is new, and either way I hope to keep the machine for at least two years, so the cost gets spread over time. The other consideration is that after the initial hit of no longer being new, the 770E will keep some resale value for a while longer. Though thinking about resale value of a laptop is just slightly less suicidal than thinking about resale value of a tuna sandwich. So far, I've gotten comments from two people who have directly compared a 13.3" to a 14.1" screen. One says there's no practical difference. The other says there's a huge difference, that the 13.3" still feels like a laptop screen, though a nice one; while the 14.1" feels like a desktop screen. I do notice a big difference between a 15" and 17" desktop monitor. AFAIK the differences between the 770 and 770E are: - 770e has a 266 mhz PII instead of a 233 mhz Pentium. For Linux with gcc, this means about 60% speedup. I don't know how it compares with the latest egcs, which has more Pentium optimizations. The PII uses more power, which favors the 770. - 770e chipset can cache ram above 64 meg. I wonder if this matters in real life. If I get > 64 meg of ram I'd probably use most of it as a ramdisk, so I can spin down the HD. - 770e has 4 meg of video ram (does anyone really care about this? Does Photoshop really look better in 24 bit color on a TFT than in 16 bit color? I know it looks better on CRT's, but using a laptop with an external monitor seems to be missing the point of a laptop.) - The 13.3" 770 is somewhat smaller and more portable than the 14.1" machines. I thought I wouldn't care about this, since (1) I don't take my laptop out of the house that often, and (2) I have a Toshiba Libretto 50ct for when I do go somewhere; but I find myself taking it into consideration. I know of at least one ex-770 user on the list who is delighted to have switched to a 600... Did I miss any differences or other issues? Yours in agony, Paul From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 17:28:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18795 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04662; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:27:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04529; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04517; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor-home.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA14310; Wed, 1 Jul 98 17:27:34 EDT Message-Id: <359AA9C0.366A5CBA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 17:27:28 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: sandy@sandy.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 screens? References: <199807012057.NAA25827@netcom9.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You mention Linux. Keep in mind that the P-II ThinkPads (600 and 770E) do not suspend/resume in Linux at the moment. This has been true for two months now. No word on when that will change. --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 18:13:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19497 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06977; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:11:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06834; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com (ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com [206.135.184.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06721; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807012209.SAA06721@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from [172.25.38.210] ([10.1.4.51]) by ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA7513 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:09:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:08:31 -0700 Subject: WTB: 760XL Internal CD From: "Calpico" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, Anyone got an internal CD-ROM lying around? Need one that will work in the ThinkPad 760XL. 4X is OK, too. Request personal reply to above email address with speed and model number. Thanks. -Roy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 18:20:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19632 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07927; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:19:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07705; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.la.tis.com (relay.la.tis.com [198.51.22.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07611; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay.la.tis.com; id PAA27695; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gila.la.tis.com(192.5.49.200) by relay.la.tis.com via smap (3.2) id xma027691; Wed, 1 Jul 98 15:37:22 -0700 Received: (from rogerk@localhost) by gila.la.tis.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA21847; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Knobbe Message-Id: <199807012214.PAA21847@gila.la.tis.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, calpico@ibm.net Subject: Re: WTB: 760XL Internal CD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wouldn't mind paying up to $75US for one either, if there are multiple of them around. rog. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 19:29:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20669 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10963; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:29:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10859; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10843; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id QAA16420 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807012328.QAA16420@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: linux on 770? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone using Linux on a 770 here? Does suspend mode work? I've heard it doesn't work on the pII-based Thinkpads (770e/ed, 600). Any word on this? Is this still true under the bios just released for Windoze 98? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 19:59:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20995 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08101; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:20:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07971; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2.sprynet.com (m2.sprynet.com [165.121.1.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07897; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IXSWYKPV (sf-dnpqf-125.compuserve.net [206.175.226.125]) by m2.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14870 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807012220.PAA14870@m2.sprynet.com> X-Sender: brownac@m2.sprynet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: AC Brown Subject: 560X vs 600 vs 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There have been a number of comments recently on the relative merits of the Thinkpad 600, 560X, and 770. Two months ago I purchased a 560X, even though the 600 had been announced, mainly for a reason that I haven't seen raised here. In my opinion, notebook computers have reached the stage where the top of the line models (and some in the middle of the line) have all the basic capabilities required to run modern software -- fast processors, large memory capacity, big disks, etc. -- and to satisfy human factors requirements -- good keyboards, high resolution tft screens of reasonable size, useful pointing devices, light weight and small dimensions. What is more, incremental improvements in succeeding generations of notebook hardware and operating system and applications software are getting progressively smaller. I used to get a new notebook every nine months because of the rapid pace of improvements. Now I expect to keep a notebook two or three years. This isn't true of peripherals. During the several years I had my last notebook, a TP 755CD, removable disk storage went from floppys (1.44 Mb) to Zip drives (100 Mb) to EZFlyer and MO drives (230 Mb) to SparQ and SyJet and Jaz (1000-2000 Mb). Modems went from 28.8 to 33.6 to 56 Kb and soon will be an order of magnitude faster using DSL and cable. Cd-roms went from 2x to 24x and from read only to CD-RW and CD-R/W Rewritable and are now being replaced by DVDs. Etc. Therefore, I've concluded that the best strategy is get a thin but otherwise full-size notebook with the fewest built-in peripherals and to add the peripherals separately, as my needs and technological advances dictate. When I moved from my TP 755CD, the built in Mwave modem and Midi wavetable interface and the cd-rom all became useless. But my external SyJet was easily transferred to the new TP 560X. There are of course other differences between the TP 600 and the TP 560X, including the 600's higher resolution and slightly larger screen and slightly faster CPU versus the 560X's smaller size and slightly lighter weight and lower price (but not much lower if peripherals must be newly purchased). Also, the 600 has a 3-year warranty while the 560X's is only 1 year, but I can extend my 560X's warranty by an additional 1-4 years (at a cost of $99/year for EasyServ and about $170/year for on site service), so I can tailor the 560X warranty to my needs and plans. Next year, I plan to replace both my cd-rom and SyJet with a single portable dvd-r/w rewritable drive to serve both functions. It's unlikely that a similar internal unit will be available for the TP 600 or TP 770, just as there is now no internal rewritable cd-rom for those machines. So the 600 and 770 owners who want this capability will either have to do without or buy external units, making the internal cd-rom and Zip drives superfluous. I think that summarizes my argument. I've taught computer courses in the past and I know that some owners get attached emotionally to their computers. I'd welcome responses disagreeing or agreeing with my reasoning, but please no flames. Arthur Brown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 1 23:59:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24804 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20738; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:57:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20596; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voicenet.com (mail12.voicenet.com [207.103.0.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20561; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807020357.XAA20561@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 14172 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1998 03:57:09 -0000 Received: from dialup453-pri.voicenet.com (207.103.81.117) by mail12.voicenet.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 03:57:09 -0000 From: "Stuart Bogom" To: "Calpico" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:54:06 +0500 Reply-To: "Stuart Bogom" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: carrying case recommendation Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been using Port bags for several years and they have been very durable. On one bag one of the metal clips on the strap started to wear (I carry a lot in my bag). I called up Port and they shipped me a replacement strap, no questions asked. You can't beat that for customer service. Stuart Bogom On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:39:41 -0700, Calpico wrote: >OK, it's time to get a carrying case for my ThinkPad 760XL. I am looking >for a 3 compartment case to hold my thinkpad, zip drive, and lots of stuff. >What are you using? > >I've been looking at the Port Thinkpad standard carryall. Anyone have this >case? Is it durable? Does the shoulder strap squeak when you walk around? >What's cool? What's not? I want to know. > >Also considering Kensington, Targus, and if anyone can tell me where I can >order Tumi, them, too. > >Thanks all! > >-Roy > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 00:52:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25514 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23022; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:51:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22940; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (root@jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22911; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dante39.u.washington.edu (williams@dante39.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.199]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA17588 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:51:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante39.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id VAA34926 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:51:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:51:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 ED misc In-Reply-To: <199807012220.PAA14870@m2.sprynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I am interested in purchasing this model. Does it support 24 bit color at full resolution on the LCD. The Ibm web site seems to give conflicting information. How about hooking up a scanner and a CD-RW to it. Can USB be used? Or, is SCSI a better method? If so, which SCSI PC Cards are best? Since USB is out. Is there any advantage to having a printer with USB? Also, is it possible to hook up a joy stick (USB or Serial)? Which is recommended? Thanks, John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 04:25:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA28545 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00879; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:23:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00773; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00760; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA28220; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:22:34 -1000 Message-ID: <001001bda592$beb9d560$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: Ordering TP600...Should I be scared? Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:23:45 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Well, now that I'm really (really, really) close to ordering one of these, >I've suddenly gotten a premature case of buyer's remorse. Am I crazy to spend >thousands of dollars for a machine I've never yet laid hands on, that is >essentially unreturnable? Many (if not most) of us have done this at one point or another. I think the real question is not whether you'll like the 600 - I can't myself imagine not liking it - but whether you'll regret not having gone with your other option, the 560. I was under the impression that you were leaning toward the latter, because of size and price. Have you checked with IBM to see if there's an authorized dealer or showroom in your area? Often their top machines are easier to find at small authorized dealers than at places like CompUSA. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 04:30:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA28564 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01194; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:29:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01105; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01093; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA28231; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:28:34 -1000 Message-ID: <001101bda593$94bc8400$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Rubin" Cc: Subject: Re: 770 screens? Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:29:45 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >So far, I've gotten comments from two people who have directly compared >a 13.3" to a 14.1" screen. One says there's no practical difference. >The other says there's a huge difference, that the 13.3" still feels >like a laptop screen, though a nice one; while the 14.1" feels like >a desktop screen. I do notice a big difference between a 15" and 17" >desktop monitor. The 14.1" screen will have approx. 1/8 larger viewing area than the 13.3" screen. By contrast, a 17" monitor has about 30% more viewable area than a 15" (assuming 16" vs. 14" actual viewing area on the monitors). David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 05:35:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA29272 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07926; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:29:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07703; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07691; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id CAA11479 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:28:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807020928.CAA11479@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770[E] vs. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Wow, I'm starting to see some attractive prices on 600's now. And things are starting to loosen up with the Neomagic situation. There are some no-cost X servers now (binary only, sigh) and some hope of getting the specs released at some point. Can anyone (I guess that means Lee) tell me how the 600 compares in: - keyboard feel - heat - sound quality? These are things I can't easily figure out from the specs. Also, some 600's claim to have a 56k modem. Is that a v.90 modem, or some obsolete standard like k56flex? Is it an MWave/ACP modem like the 770's, or is it a normal modem (that I can use under Linux)? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 09:03:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA01386 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14624; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:01:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14439; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14427; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id HAA19135; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:59:04 -0500 Message-ID: <359B84D9.CD37E7A5@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 13:01:35 UT Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:02:17 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: linux on 770? References: <199807012328.QAA16420@netcom9.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul, I have Linux installed on a 770 (P233, 96MB, 13.3"). It is Red Hat v5.1. Installation was quite easy, even given the fact that I was installing to a separate HD in the Ultrabay. The only problem I have had is trying to get LILO to boot successfully from the second HD instead of a floppy. However, I've seen messages from many other people that indicate this is more of an issue related to disk partition setup, not hardware. I don't use suspend so I can't tell you if that works or not. Paul Rubin wrote: > > Anyone using Linux on a 770 here? Does suspend mode work? > I've heard it doesn't work on the pII-based Thinkpads (770e/ed, 600). > Any word on this? Is this still true under the bios just released > for Windoze 98? Thanks. --------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@nospam@csi.com Running Win98, WinNT, Win95, and Linux on a TP770 --------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 09:33:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA01810 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18187; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:31:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18090; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [209.157.64.210]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18075; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rss@localhost) by idiom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id GAA27341; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980702063149.54372@idiom.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:31:49 -0700 From: "Richard S. Smith" To: Calpico Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: carrying case recommendation References: <199807011740.NAA18413@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199807011740.NAA18413@CS.UTK.EDU>; from Calpico on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 10:39:41AM -0700 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu calpico@ibm.net (Calpico) wrote: > OK, it's time to get a carrying case for my ThinkPad 760XL. I am looking > for a 3 compartment case to hold my thinkpad, zip drive, and lots of stuff. > What are you using? > > I've been looking at the Port Thinkpad standard carryall. Anyone have this > case? Is it durable? Does the shoulder strap squeak when you walk around? > What's cool? What's not? I want to know. > > Also considering Kensington, Targus, and if anyone can tell me where I can > order Tumi, them, too. I got an Eagle Creek "Convertabrief" at my local camping equipment store and I'm very happy with it. Black canvas with detachable shoulder strap and backpack-type straps that zip away when not in use. Lots of extra pockets and stuff. Comes in at about $65. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard S. Smith / rss@idiom.com / http://www.idiom.com/~rss | | Progress DBMS Stuff: http://www.idiom.com/~rss/progress.html | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 09:35:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA01851 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18504; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:34:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18322; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18300; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id IAA01696 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:34:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807021334.IAA01696@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:34:19 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I'm glad to have found this list, I've found a lot of useful info here since the last few days I've lurked. I'm about to purchase a TP560x (233Mhz/TFT model with 96MB) _if_ I can find one at a reputable mail order place (they all seem out of stock). In the meantime I'm doing my research about the TP560x here and on the web - after all it won't be a trivial amount of $$ to spend. I would like to install Linux on one of the 2GB partitions. If anyone has done this and has comments/suggestions/problems reports! regarding this, please let me know asap, before I engage in yet another long-term relationship with my credit card company :-) I heard there was a problem with the Neomagic chip and XFree, but it seems that problem has been overcome for free, see: http://www.mnsinc.com/js/Neomagic.html http://www.phoneboy.com/pig/howto/neomagic-x.html My goal is to eventually link my desktop and new laptop. The purpose would be to mount my desktop's CD drive so that I can install software (at least Linux) on the TP, and then later exchange/synchronize files between the two systems. There would be regular, but not heavy duty data transfers. I was thinking of using an ethernet connection, but pc cards for the TP seem expensive compared to the $20-$30 for the desktop. Now I'm thinking of using PLIP with a parallel Laplink cable. Does this make sense? Anyone try this? (The latest version of RH Linux has a PLIP aware boot disk). Anyway, looking forward to learning more about these little machines. Cheers, Esmail PS: Anyone know of a good cheap place to get memory (I want an additional 64MB for the TP560x to bring it up to its max 96MB) let me know. Or for that matter a 560x too. ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 10:43:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02693 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22592; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:41:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22454; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (devil.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.214]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22386; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michey@localhost) by devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA07099; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:40:16 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: devil.prz.tu-berlin.de: michey owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:40:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Eyrich To: Esmail Bonakdarian cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity In-Reply-To: <199807021334.IAA01696@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: | Hello, | | I was thinking of using an ethernet connection, but pc cards for the | TP seem expensive compared to the $20-$30 for the desktop. Now I'm | thinking of using PLIP with a parallel Laplink cable. Does this make | sense? Anyone try this? (The latest version of RH Linux has a PLIP | aware boot disk). PLIP with a TP755cx works fine, but transfer rate is at about 56kB/s. This is ok for for data synchronisation, but at least for installation purposes I would prefer an Ethernet PC-Card. If the parallelport of your model is ECP, not only EPP, transferrates should be much higher. Regards, Michael -- Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin michey@prz.tu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 11:43:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03568 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27001; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:40:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26851; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26836; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21907; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:40:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: Esmail Bonakdarian cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity In-Reply-To: <199807021334.IAA01696@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The cheapest RELIABLE place I have found is Coast to Coast I don't have the address handy but it will show up on a search under memory or "Coast to Coast" > PS: Anyone know of a good cheap place to get memory (I want an > additional 64MB for the TP560x to bring it up to its max 96MB) let > me know. Or for that matter a 560x too. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 11:59:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03804 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24977; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:09:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24385; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24371; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from execed4.usc.edu (pdx68-i48-18.teleport.com [204.202.172.96]) by smtp5.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04789; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <359BA8B8.A6F@teleport.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:35:20 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Organization: Allied Inspection Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu CC: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity References: <199807021334.IAA01696@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm glad to have found this list, I've found a lot of useful info > here since the last few days I've lurked. > > I'm about to purchase a TP560x (233Mhz/TFT model with 96MB) _if_ I can > find one at a reputable mail order place (they all seem out of stock). > > In the meantime I'm doing my research about the TP560x here and on the > web - after all it won't be a trivial amount of $$ to spend. > > I would like to install Linux on one of the 2GB partitions. If anyone > has done this and has comments/suggestions/problems reports! regarding > this, please let me know asap, before I engage in yet another > long-term relationship with my credit card company :-) > > I heard there was a problem with the Neomagic chip and XFree, but it > seems that problem has been overcome for free, see: > > http://www.mnsinc.com/js/Neomagic.html > http://www.phoneboy.com/pig/howto/neomagic-x.html > > My goal is to eventually link my desktop and new laptop. The purpose > would be to mount my desktop's CD drive so that I can install software > (at least Linux) on the TP, and then later exchange/synchronize files > between the two systems. There would be regular, but not heavy duty > data transfers. > > I was thinking of using an ethernet connection, but pc cards for the > TP seem expensive compared to the $20-$30 for the desktop. Now I'm > thinking of using PLIP with a parallel Laplink cable. Does this make > sense? Anyone try this? (The latest version of RH Linux has a PLIP > aware boot disk). > > Anyway, looking forward to learning more about these little machines. > > Cheers, > Esmail > PS: Anyone know of a good cheap place to get memory (I want an > additional 64MB for the TP560x to bring it up to its max 96MB) let > me know. Or for that matter a 560x too. > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak Eamail, The best place I've found for memory was The Chip Merchant :thechipmerchant.com What is the best price you're finding for the 560X? And where? Bryan 701C -and still delighted. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 12:23:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04272 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29731; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:20:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29520; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (ice.clark.net [168.143.0.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29507; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shin_hw.clark.net (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02507 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980702121308.007b96b0@pop3.clark.net> X-Sender: shin_hw@pop3.clark.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:13:08 -0400 To: From: Henry Shin Subject: Re: tv tuner ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Everyone, I know we discussed the compatibility issues regarding the IBM TV Tuner. But, I have a slightly different question though it is related to the TV tuner. I understand the Tuner uses the NTSC signals. So, does that apply to the video inputs (i.e. VCR) or to the TV transmissions too? Basically, I would like to know if the TV portion of the card will work in Europe. Thanks in advance! Best regards, Henry At 11:45 PM 6/24/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Everybody ! > >I have gotten hold of someone who wants to sell a tv-tuner originally used >in >either a Thinkpad 360 750 or 755. The part number is: > FRU P/N 66G6681 > ASM P/N 59G3731 > >I've tried to find the specs on the IBM homepages but there seem to be no >possibility to search on the >part numbers. It does appear that this is not the part number for the >tv-tuner in the 750 model. It has number >66g3689 according to some page. What I really need to know is if the other >model (first part no.s) >supports PAL and if it can be used in the Thinkpad 760ED. > >I recall that some of you on the list used the tv tuner on some models. >What is the part number on the model tv tuner that you use? Do they match >any of the above? >Are anyone using it on the 760 ED ? (or the 755). Any manuals/datacheets? > >Thanks for any tip >Peter Soderholm > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 12:42:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04574 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01008; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:40:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00828; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00813; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYX4Y8VDS09I6CWI@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:40:03 MST Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:29:27 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: tv tuner ? In-reply-to: "Message dated Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:13:08 -0400" <3.0.5.32.19980702121308.007b96b0@pop3.clark.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYX5FYM5U69I6CWI@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have a slightly different question though it is related to the TV > tuner. I understand the Tuner uses the NTSC signals. So, does that apply to > the video inputs (i.e. VCR) or to the TV transmissions too? Basically, I > would like to know if the TV portion of the card will work in Europe. The NTSC decoder can't do PAL (European color TV standard) but you might be able to get a black and white picture. I have seen PAL-M (the Brasilian version which uses a 60Hz frame rate same as NTSC) make a watchable B&W picture on NTSC video monitors... Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 13:58:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06096 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06017; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:52:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05526; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05450; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node12.unix.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa14895; 2 Jul 98 13:51 EDT Received: (from jlh2r@localhost) by node12.unix.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) id NAA30756 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:51:37 -0400 From: John-Lee Pratt Holmes Message-Id: <199807021751.NAA30756@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU> Subject: audio/modem for thinkpad 355 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:51:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" at Jul 2, 98 12:16:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have an old Thinkpad 355 machine and would like to receive BBC audio if possible. I think to do this I would need both a sound card and a PC card for an external modem. Is this possible? The old 355 seems to have one pcmcia port and one serial connector so perhaps one of the devices could be hooked in through the serial port? Or will the audio be able to be heard through the internal audio system which seems to only interpret *.wav format? BBC audio utilizes 28-8 stream. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. John Lee P. Holmes -- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 14:14:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06346 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06987; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:05:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06692; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06609; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA00808; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:04:36 -1000 Message-ID: <002901bda5e4$0a4d3340$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:05:44 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I was thinking of using an ethernet connection, but pc cards for the >TP seem expensive compared to the $20-$30 for the desktop. Now I'm Not if you look hard. I think the regular price at netlux is around $50, and at closeouts I've managed to find 2 (one generic, one brand name) for less than $30. Also, you might look at www.ebay.com for a used card (since people often move to faster ethernet and sell their old cards here). Hmm, I see that surplusdirect has an Addtron and an Eiger for $40. >PS: Anyone know of a good cheap place to get memory I've used Chip Merchant several times; they don't always carry the specific chip one needs, but when they do they invariably have the best price. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 21:04:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13440 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26633; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:02:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26504; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26483; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:02:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from joe-wilosn (slip-32-100-163-78.wi.us.ibm.net [32.100.163.78]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA48340 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:02:07 GMT Message-ID: <000801bda61e$638c2300$4ea36420@joe-wilosn> To: "ThinkPad Post" Subject: Re: carrying case recommendation Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:03:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I second the vote for Port Bags. I have a Thinkpad/Port bag I bought with my 755cx 3 years ago and it still serves as my primary briefcase/computer bag on a daily basis. I am extremely hard on the bag, overstuffing it constantly and it has held up like a charm. For me, there is no other bag worth considering. Joe Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Bogom To: Calpico ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:59 PM Subject: Re: carrying case recommendation >I've been using Port bags for several years and they have been very >durable. On one bag one of the metal clips on the strap started to wear >(I carry a lot in my bag). I called up Port and they shipped me a >replacement strap, no questions asked. You can't beat that for customer >service. > >Stuart Bogom > >On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:39:41 -0700, Calpico wrote: > >>OK, it's time to get a carrying case for my ThinkPad 760XL. I am looking >>for a 3 compartment case to hold my thinkpad, zip drive, and lots of stuff. >>What are you using? >> >>I've been looking at the Port Thinkpad standard carryall. Anyone have this >>case? Is it durable? Does the shoulder strap squeak when you walk around? >>What's cool? What's not? I want to know. >> >>Also considering Kensington, Targus, and if anyone can tell me where I can >>order Tumi, them, too. >> >>Thanks all! >> >>-Roy >> > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 2 22:28:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14694 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29355; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:26:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29235; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29221; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01IYXPWEDEDY9C8EN8@asu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:25:58 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [198.60.132.11]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA02589; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:25:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12602; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:25:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:25:56 -0700 (MST) From: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Subject: TP770's heat To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: phr@netcom.com Reply-to: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Message-id: <9807030225.AA12602@aztec.asu.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Here are some measurements of temperatures that relate to the heat generated by the IBM ThinkPad 770 (TP770-1AU model). ATTN: To be read using an equally spaced font such as courier. On a *very wise suggestion* from Paul Rubin (phr@netcom.com) [whom I thank for stimulating discussions during the experiment] the TP was located on a blanket (a thick layer of very good insulating material). This is a _worst case study_, temperatures previously measured using no blanket were about 10 to 20 deg F lower. setup: Probe distribution during the measurements +---------------------------------------+ | | | blanket | | | | +-----------------------+ | | | | | | | | bp | | | | | | | | | | -ap| | TP770 | | | | | | | | | | | | fp | | | | | | | | +-----------------------+ | | | | tp | | | | +---------------------------------------+ codes: ap = air probe, not exposed to the drafts from the air conditioner bp = back probe, inserted between the blanket and the TP770 fp = front probe, also between the blanket and the TP770 tp = table probe, inserted between the blanket and the table blanket = woolen blanket multiple folded to an area of 25 x 20 in, and total thickness 5 in. probe = thermocouple about 4 in long (referenced to a thermistor at room temperature in a digital multimeter) results: Figures are in degrees F measured at the probe locations ----------------------------------- cpu load | bp | fp | ap | tp -----------------------------+----- nil 110 | | ------------------------+ | low 121 110 | 81 | ------------------------+ to | 92 medium 125 | 84 | ------------------------+ | high 131 | | ------------------------+----+----- NOTE: in all cpu condtions, between 0.5 and 1 W were extracted from the mouse port to provide power for a radio tuner inputed to the TP770 audio mixer and loudspeakers which thus were in use all the time. The machine was powered by its AC adaptor and in the UltraBay was the DVD drive. jc (Juan-Carlos Lerman) lists e-mail: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu personal e-mail: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 00:17:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA16317 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03014; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:14:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02842; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02830; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id VAA19055 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807030414.VAA19055@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: how to determine manufacturing date? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if there's a way to determine the manufacturing date of a Thinkpad (755cx in my case) from its serial number? I'm having a dispute with IBM about whether my unit is in warranty (the original invoice is long since lost). There is a manufacturing date sticker on the bottom of the keyboard, but it's slightly more than 3 years ago, and anyway they don't go by that (maybe because the keyboard is easy to replace). Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 01:07:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA17075 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04522; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:05:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04356; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04344; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (ppp02.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:05:02 PST From: "peter machule" To: , Subject: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:36:34 -0000 Message-ID: <01bda58c$236ea460$cfb32581@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Both 3com and SMC have regular Corporate Promotions/Evals. The price is usually half list. Phone their 800 numbers and ask what they have available this week. They usually only do 1 per location ....but I seem to have outfitted a number of Laptops this way(grin) Re memory. www.thechipmerchant.com >I was thinking of using an ethernet connection, but pc cards for the >TP seem expensive compared to the $20-$30 for the desktop. Now I'm >thinking of using PLIP with a parallel Laplink cable. Does this make >sense? Anyone try this? (The latest version of RH Linux has a PLIP >aware boot disk). > >Anyway, looking forward to learning more about these little machines. > >Cheers, >Esmail >PS: Anyone know of a good cheap place to get memory (I want an > additional 64MB for the TP560x to bring it up to its max 96MB) let > me know. Or for that matter a 560x too. >---- >Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 02:14:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18225 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06050; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:12:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05884; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05872; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA15058; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359C768B.782974E1@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 02:13:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: TP770's heat References: <9807030225.AA12602@aztec.asu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Last year there was an infrared photo taken of a TP, i THINK it was a 770, which showed the hot spots.. not sure of where or when.. :-) ELIZA wrote: > Here are some measurements of temperatures that relate to the > heat generated by the IBM ThinkPad 770 (TP770-1AU model). > > ATTN: To be read using an equally spaced font such as courier. > > On a *very wise suggestion* from Paul Rubin (phr@netcom.com) > [whom I thank for stimulating discussions during the experiment] > the TP was located on a blanket (a thick layer of very good > insulating material). This is a _worst case study_, temperatures > previously measured using no blanket were about 10 to 20 deg F > lower. > > setup: > Probe distribution during the measurements > > +---------------------------------------+ > | | > | blanket | > | | > | +-----------------------+ | > | | | | | > | | bp | | > | | | | > | | | | > -ap| | TP770 | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | fp | | > | | | | | > | +-----------------------+ | > | | > | tp | > | | | > +---------------------------------------+ > > codes: ap = air probe, not exposed to the > drafts from the air conditioner > bp = back probe, inserted between > the blanket and the TP770 > fp = front probe, also between the > blanket and the TP770 > tp = table probe, inserted between > the blanket and the table > blanket = woolen blanket multiple > folded to an area of 25 x 20 in, > and total thickness 5 in. > probe = thermocouple about 4 in long > (referenced to a thermistor at > room temperature in a digital > multimeter) > > results: > Figures are in degrees F measured > at the probe locations > ----------------------------------- > cpu load | bp | fp | ap | tp > -----------------------------+----- > nil 110 | | > ------------------------+ | > low 121 110 | 81 | > ------------------------+ to | 92 > medium 125 | 84 | > ------------------------+ | > high 131 | | > ------------------------+----+----- > NOTE: in all cpu condtions, between > 0.5 and 1 W were extracted from the > mouse port to provide power for a > radio tuner inputed to the TP770 > audio mixer and loudspeakers which > thus were in use all the time. > The machine was powered by its AC > adaptor and in the UltraBay was the > DVD drive. > > jc (Juan-Carlos Lerman) > > lists e-mail: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu > personal e-mail: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 02:17:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18260 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06400; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:15:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06202; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06075; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA29043; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359C772B.DB7CDCF@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 02:16:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity References: <002901bda5e4$0a4d3340$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David, et al., i may not be the most impartial person to ask, if you were to ask me, but if you are going to go for price in a memory purchase, then you will most likely get what you des.. uhh.. pay for.. :-) David Ross wrote: > >I was thinking of using an ethernet connection, but pc cards for the > >TP seem expensive compared to the $20-$30 for the desktop. Now I'm > > Not if you look hard. I think the regular price at netlux is around $50, and at closeouts I've managed to find 2 (one generic, one > brand name) for less than $30. Also, you might look at www.ebay.com for a used card (since people often move to faster ethernet and > sell their old cards here). Hmm, I see that surplusdirect has an Addtron and an Eiger for $40. > > >PS: Anyone know of a good cheap place to get memory > > I've used Chip Merchant several times; they don't always carry the specific chip one needs, but when they do they invariably have > the best price. > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu > www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 02:23:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18397 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06862; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:20:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06650; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06634; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA26786; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359C7866.7EC9FEA@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 02:21:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Carlos M. Sibal" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad hd upgrade References: <004801bda507$f60c5780$2b01a2d0@thinkpad-535e> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu it will not work without surgery on the cable.. and even then may not work.. J. Carlos M. Sibal wrote: > hi, > > perhaps this has been discussed before but i'm relatively new to the list. I > am about to upgrade my Thinkpad 760ed's 1.2gb hard drive to a toshiba 4gb > hard drive (drive came without a tp hd adapter) does anyone have any tips > for me before I start to take the original hard disk apart for the casing? > > thanks in advance, > > carlos -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 03:01:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA18919 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08111; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:58:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07933; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07911; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA04024; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:58:12 -1000 Message-ID: <002101bda650$20418040$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: [TPall] Memory quality (was: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:59:24 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: >> I've used Chip Merchant several times; they don't always carry the specific chip one needs, but when they do they invariably have >> the best price. Bill M. wrote: >i may not be the most impartial person to ask, if you were to ask me, but if you are going to go for price in a memory purchase, then >you will most likely get what you des.. uhh.. pay for.. :-) I've used 6 or 7 chips from them, and never had a problem. Despite their price, their memory is often branded - when I bought memory from them for a 701 a few years back, it was genuine IBM. They have a very good rep both on this list and on Usenet; the rare complaints I've seen about them were people who bought memory based on spec but not specifically recommended for their machine. In the nearly 20 years I've owned and operated small computers, I've only had trouble with memory twice, and that was with branded memory - one bad chip from Viking, and one from Kingston. David Ross (in no way affiliated with Chip Merchant, or any other merchant) ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 03:07:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA19057 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08704; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:05:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08604; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08577; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA22753; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359C82F5.237D2DB6@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 03:06:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: "Murray, Pete" , Thinkpad Digest Subject: Re: 770 questions References: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C69B966@DANUBE> <359A708C.7E05B8FE@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Rob.. good answer..! saves me a LOT of typing.. :-) ALSO NOTE: the 8.1gig will work ONLY in the 770ED.. and NOT in the 770-1AU.. not sure about the other sub-models in each group or the why of it.. (i know this much.. win95 and the TP bios do not seem to agree on the cylinder, head, sector totals and thus kick the drivers over to DOS compatibility mode.. also, a fellow in germany who has my first 8.1gig reports he is uning NT4 with no problem) otherwise any IBM HDD will work in the 770.. Rob Bell wrote: > Pete, > > I can answer one of your questions (see below): > > **snip** > > > It would almost certainly not come with an OS installed. I don't know > that I've ever seen this. It would be pretty hard to sell this way > because ultimately lots of drivers and setting have to be customized for > the particular laptop that it's being used in. > hmm.. nmaybe yes, maybe no.. :-) > When buying an extra HD for the 770 there are a couple of things to be > aware of. First, you have to read the description carefully to see if > the drive is built with the correct shell to fit the regular HD bay. > Only a 770-specific HD will fit there. Sometimes you'll see drives > advertised for the 770 but in the fine print it says you can only use > them in the Ultrabay with an adapter. Most drives built for the 76x > models will work in a 770 with an adapter (about $69) in the Ultrabay. > This same adapter is also required to use a 770-specific drive in the > Ultrabay. Another option is to buy a generic drive and insert the guts > into a 770 or 76x drive shell. I don't know much about this. There is > someone else on the ThinkPad list (Bill Morrow, I believe) that sells > these shells. I think his web site is http://thinkpads.com. > yes, i do.. > If you buy a HD that you can only use in the Ultrabay, you can still > install another OS on it and boot from it. However, things can get > tricky with this setup. For instance, you can't use the Ultrabay CD > player when the HD is installed, so you might have to copy the OS's > setup CD to the built in drive or connect to another computer's shared > CD drive via a network adapter to do the install. I have successfully > installed Linux and Win98 this way on a HD in the Ultrabay. You'll need > to make a change in the BIOS's boot sequence to be able to boot from the > HD in the Ultrabay (HD2) and you'll have to change it back to boot from > the main HD (HD1). > > If you have more specific questions I'd be happy to field them. **snip** -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 03:20:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA19227 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09555; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:16:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09222; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09208; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA25127; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359C85AD.D37A03D2@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 03:18:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Hogarth CC: tp Subject: Re: 98 and 770 References: <000a01bda2a2$abb046e0$0100007f@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Philip.. Philip Hogarth wrote: > I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Just installed Win 98 upgrade over > existing Win95 4.00.950 B. Have 2 problems: > > 1) Won't suspend. In fact it freezes up when I try. In fact once more, it > freezes so bad that I have to unplug and remove battery to reboot.Think I > may have a fix with w95fsdi patch from IBM site but am not sure because I > can't get it on a floppy due to problem 2... > also load the newest ultrabay driver.. > 2) Can't read the floppy. It's plugged in ayt the back. The floppy makes a > whirring sound but the light doesn't go on and I eventually get a "device > not ready" message. > internal or external.. ?check the floppy driver state in device manager.. > Any comments? > > Thanks. > > Philip Hogarth > Partner > Director, Web Services > digIT Interactive Inc. > > hogarth@digit.ca > > We Build digITal Brands > Experience our results at www.digit.ca > Ottawa: 613-729-0515 ext. 204 > Toronto: 416-363-7938 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 03:27:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA19357 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09898; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:23:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09705; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09693; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA26159; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359C8726.71E85447@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 03:24:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] Memory quality (was: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity References: <002101bda650$20418040$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David.. sounds like you have been fortunate.. as machines become more complex, brand-x memory will reveal itself to be not such a good idea.. period.. :-) David Ross wrote: > I wrote: > > >> I've used Chip Merchant several times; they don't always carry the specific chip one needs, but when they do they invariably have > >> the best price. > > Bill M. wrote: > > >i may not be the most impartial person to ask, if you were to ask me, but if you are going to go for price in a memory purchase, > then > >you will most likely get what you des.. uhh.. pay for.. :-) > > I've used 6 or 7 chips from them, and never had a problem. Despite their price, their memory is often branded - when I bought > memory from them for a 701 a few years back, it was genuine IBM. > > They have a very good rep both on this list and on Usenet; the rare complaints I've seen about them were people who bought memory > based on spec but not specifically recommended for their machine. > > In the nearly 20 years I've owned and operated small computers, I've only had trouble with memory twice, and that was with branded > memory - one bad chip from Viking, and one from Kingston. > > David Ross (in no way affiliated with Chip Merchant, or any other merchant) > ross@math.hawaii.edu -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 04:01:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA19741 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06271; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:13:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05934; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05904; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts21.loop.net (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA02474; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807030610.XAA02474@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Rubin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 23:12:07 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: how to determine manufacturing date? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:14:32 -0700 (PDT), Paul Rubin wrote: >Does anyone know if there's a way to determine the manufacturing >date of a Thinkpad (755cx in my case) from its serial number? >I'm having a dispute with IBM about whether my unit is in warranty >(the original invoice is long since lost). There is a manufacturing >date sticker on the bottom of the keyboard, but it's slightly more >than 3 years ago, and anyway they don't go by that (maybe because >the keyboard is easy to replace). Thanks. > IBM is very strange on this. It's best to make sure you keep track of the invoice, or in my case, if needed, make sure you can get a copy from the dealer. IBM in some cases says that my machine's warranty is almost 6 months shorter, since I bought in on March 18 (I think), 1996, and they said it was built in Sep. 1995. And what's weirder is that my serial number was not originally in the system as a valid machine (unlike my 355C which was), and I was the original owner of both! -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 , Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 04:32:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA20133 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13615; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:29:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13504; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13492; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA04270; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:29:00 -1000 Message-ID: <003e01bda65c$cfd09f80$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: [TPall] Memory quality (was: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:30:14 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >sounds like you have been fortunate.. >as machines become more complex, brand-x memory will reveal itself to be not such a good idea.. >period.. :-) Probably by then all memory will be manufactured by the same company:-) Seriously, I would never suggest buying memory (or anything else) based solely on price - I've heard too many horror stories about fly-by-night dealers selling defective chips. However, I don't think my positive experiences with the Chip Merchant can be chalked up *solely* to luck - they came highly recommended to me. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 08:51:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22844 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25086; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:48:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24928; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24914; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor-home.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA21274; Fri, 3 Jul 98 08:48:13 EDT Message-Id: <359CD30C.DC7ADD4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 08:48:13 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770[E] vs. 600 References: <199807020928.CAA11479@netcom9.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Rubin wrote: > Can anyone (I guess that means Lee) tell me how the 600 compares in: > - keyboard feel Personally, I think the keyboard on the 600 is better than the 770. They're both very, very good (much better than the 760 series), but they have a bit different feel. You'd be wise to try if you can. > - heat Comparing a Pentium 770 with a Pentium II 600, the 600 tends to be a bit hotter, but that could be a Pentium vs. Pentium II thing. Still, I don't find the 600 terribly hot. It is certainly much, much cooler than a 760E. > - sound quality? The 770 has much better sound quality, with a lot more bass and a lot more volume before distortion sets in. There is no comparison. > Also, some 600's claim to have a 56k modem. Is that a v.90 modem, > or some obsolete standard like k56flex? Is it an MWave/ACP modem > like the 770's, or is it a normal modem (that I can use under Linux)? I believe both the 600 and 770 have essentially the same Mwave/ACP modem. The are both 56k x2 (with a V.90 upgrade coming some time). On both the 600 and 770, the built-in modem is not usable. I've heard that IBM does not release Mwave/ACP specs/drivers to the Linux community. I end up using a PC card modem with Linux. It's a shame. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 09:42:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23430 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28538; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:39:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28399; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28387; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id IAA15109; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:39:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807031339.IAA15109@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: cheap memory - was Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity To: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:39:37 -0500 (CDT) Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, bonak@cs.uiowa.edu, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: <359C772B.DB7CDCF@icanect.net> from "Bill Morrow" at Jul 3, 98 02:16:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill Morrow writes: > > David, et al., i may not be the most impartial person to ask, if you > were to ask me, but if you are going to go for price in a memory > purchase, then you will most likely get what you des.. uhh.. pay > for.. :-) > David Ross wrote: > > > >PS: Anyone know of a good cheap place to get memory > > > > I've used Chip Merchant several times; they don't always carry the > > specific chip one needs, but when they do they invariably have > > the best price. Hiya I've never had problems with getting "cheap" memory for desktops/towers, have I just been lucky, or are laptops much more finiky (sp?) about the memory they get? Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 10:50:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24115 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02088; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:47:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01956; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01943; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ben.edelweb.fr (ben.edelweb.fr [193.51.12.62]) by edelweb.fr with ESMTP id QAA25184 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:47:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by ben.edelweb.fr (8.8.5/8.6.6) id QAA10864; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:57:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:57:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TPALL]Argh!Win95! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Argh! Ok, I realize this isn't the Win95 support list, but it has to do with Win95 on my TP560E, so it counts, right? :) I'm at wit's end here with my TP560E which decided to crash last nite and I've been with it since for the past 24 hours with minimal sleep--the problem is very simple: When Win95 is launched it launches not as a user but as a non-user (administrator?). The problem is of course that in order to use any of my network connections, after booting, I have to immediately go to Shutdown->Login as a different user and then login. Windows doesn't prompt me to login on bootup, nor when I type a password does it prompt me to save the password in the password list. Now I've played with every combination in Control Panels->Network->Access control and I think it's the right solution to create resource level controls(right)? What's the solution to get Win95 to boot automatically in a mode where it prompts me for my user name or even better(!) for it to know that the user is 'ben' and save my passwords automatically? Thanks, and sorry for the interruption Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 10:59:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24232 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02502; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:56:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02320; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02308; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24962 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:56:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:56:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity In-Reply-To: <359C772B.DB7CDCF@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu After upgrading memory in over 700 laptops at lowest available price, (for a very cheap large organization employer) I have only had trouble with IBM (once) Kingston (once) and Micron (once) and have never had any problems with chips based on price... best service coast to coast (no restocking charge, longer inspection period, best telephone support) and Chip Merchant ... partially because I don't think they keep a lot on the shelves but receive and pass through quickly before it gets knocked around by warehouse and shipping grunts. Ray Bayles > David, et al., > i may not be the most impartial person to ask, if you were to ask me, but if you are going to go for price in a memory purchase, then > you will most likely get what you des.. uhh.. pay for.. :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 12:05:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25036 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04965; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:02:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04787; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04775; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (ppp13.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:02:09 PST From: "peter machule" To: CC: Subject: Getting stuff cheaper (PCMCIA) was [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:01:51 -0000 Message-ID: <01bda661$37bb4420$cfb32581@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sigh.... Esmail, I'm replying in a public post as more people may NOT understand the game.(grin) 1 You are a wet dream as far as companies are concerned re. promos/Evals. 2 The whole purpose is SEEDING !! They want to get their(new) product in as many INFLUENTIAL hands as possible. Grad students are very high on the list. It's the same reasoning that Universitys get "Deals" from Microsoft ,Apple, IBM etc. 3 They CAN'T udercut their dealers or no one will carry their product. It is a bit of a tightrope ;-} Therefore advertising of these type of offerings is usually in "insider" type magazines. PC WEEK ,INFOWORLD etc. If you have an address , any type of corporate /educational /self employed / type status you can get these deals. Curently all(?) the combo cards from 3COM are available for half price if there is a 56K something in them. You can even play SMC off against 3COM ...ie "But 3COM is offering us their 100bit/56K V.90 for $X.X; How come you can't? "(grin) Try 1-888-906-3com also the offers are usually on their Web (somewhere ;-} and Call SMC's Inside Sales Group at 1-800-553-7731 http://www.smc.com/Special_Offers_Index.html etc......... ..peter... >peter machule writes: >> >> Both 3com and SMC have regular Corporate Promotions/Evals. >> The price is usually half list. >> Phone their 800 numbers and ask what they have available this week. >> They usually only do 1 per location ....but I seem to have outfitted a >> number of Laptops this way(grin) > >Hmmm .. interesting approach, I've got to remember this for later, >right now I'm just a struggling graduate student - I'm not sure any >company is eager to cater to my needs :-) > >> Re memory. >> www.thechipmerchant.com > >Thanks, a number of people have recommended this place. > >Esmail >---- >Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 17:59:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00233 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15775; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:57:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15653; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15598; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.70.38.115]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980703215620.ROW29455@bp>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:56:20 +0000 Message-ID: <359D5377.4023@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 17:56:07 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: how to determine manufacturing date? References: <199807030414.VAA19055@netcom9.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Rubin wrote: > > Does anyone know if there's a way to determine the manufacturing > date of a Thinkpad (755cx in my case) from its serial number? > I'm having a dispute with IBM about whether my unit is in warranty > (the original invoice is long since lost). There is a manufacturing > date sticker on the bottom of the keyboard, but it's slightly more > than 3 years ago, and anyway they don't go by that (maybe because > the keyboard is easy to replace). Thanks. It is my understanding that if you have the invoice IBM will honor that date If you do not have the invoice than a IBM will use the manufacturing date of that computer. A new keyboard will cost about $55 U.S. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 18:11:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00405 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16318; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:08:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16189; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16176; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14370 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA05508; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, Does anyone recall how to subscribe to this list? I have a faq around somewhere ..... Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 3 18:26:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00618 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17090; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:24:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16945; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (root@tdl.tdl.com [204.182.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16932; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn17.tdl.com [205.162.12.17]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25682 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:24:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199807032224.PAA25682@tdl.tdl.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:24:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: subscribing Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 3 Jul 98 at 15:08, Patrick West wrote: > Does anyone recall how to subscribe to this list? I have a faq around > somewhere ..... > 1. To send something to the list, mail it to THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > > 2. To subscribe to the list, unsubscribe from the list, or to change > your address, send mail to THINKPAD-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU. (If you > sent your subscribe message to the whole list, that's okay, but > please use the -REQUEST address next time!) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 05:44:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA10841 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 05:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07129; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 05:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 05:41:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06977; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 05:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micronet.net (mailhost.micronet.net [206.96.52.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06964; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 05:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micronet.net (206.96.53.115) by micronet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:41:31 -0800 Message-ID: <359DF840.4394DF52@micronet.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 01:39:12 -0800 From: Calvin White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe cwhite@micronet.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 07:11:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA11778 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08853; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:08:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08517; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08505; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from capecod.net (cambo0684.capecod.net [209.244.246.176] (may be forged)) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.0/8.9.0/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA09987 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:08:36 -0400 Message-ID: <359E0D2E.5D42798D@capecod.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 07:08:30 -0400 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 11:11:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14409 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12472; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:08:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12334; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12322; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-091.usc.edu [128.125.223.91]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA01310 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807041508.IAA01310@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 08:07:27 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP600: Serial & IR at same time? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try as I might, on my TP 600 under Win 95, I can only have one of these two ports active at any given time--either the infrared (which comes in *real* handy for hot-synching my Palm III without cables) or my hardware serial port. The TP configuration software doesn't allow me to really monkey with the IRQ's, and the Win 95 software forces me to use some of its pre-configured settings--and when I use any of those, then *both* ports go on the blink and are unable to work. Anybody--particularly TP 600 owners--have a solution? --- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "It is hard to convince a high-school student that he will encounter a lot of problems more difficult than those of algebra and geometry," -- Edgar W. Howe in "Country Town Sayings", 1911. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 13:18:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16051 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15076; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:14:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14881; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14869; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id SAA032.38; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:14:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199807041714.SAA032.38@bradnet> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 98 18:14:34 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: PCMCIA radio To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know whether such a thing as a PCMCIA radio exists? ... and if so can I use it with WarpTuner on my 760C? -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 13:29:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16201 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15463; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:27:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15333; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15319; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id MAA22493 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:27:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807041727.MAA22493@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: [TP560x] IBM Home and Away 14.4 PCMCIA Fax/Data Modem/Ethernet To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:26:59 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hiya, I was wondering if anyone has any comments on this modem/ethernet device, in particular if it works ok with the 560x, Windows 95 and Linux. I'm pretty sure it works with Linux .. still would like someone to confirm. I'm not sure about the other. I'm in the process of getting a TP560x and would like to be able to link up my desktop with the TP via a cheap ethernet setup. I can get a good deal on this card _if_ someone can confirm to me that it works with the above. If you know, please e-mail me (I get the list in digest format, so otherwise I'll have to wait a day and it will be too late to get the modem). Esmail PS: I'm more interested in the ethernet part than the modem, the modem is an extra bonus. PPS: How much space does this PCIMCIA card take up? Will it use up both slots? Sorry to ask such elementary questions, I'm new to laptops. ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 13:51:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16439 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16100; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:48:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15906; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15894; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.theriver.com (a42.pm3-33.theriver.com [208.164.96.106]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21715; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:47:59 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199807041747.KAA21715@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 98 10:53:18 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, "Esmail Bonakdarian" In-Reply-To: <199807041727.MAA22493@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560x] IBM Home and Away 14.4 PCMCIA Fax/Data Modem/Ethernet X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <199807041727.MAA22493@server.cs.uiowa.edu>, on 07/04/98 at 12:26 PM, Esmail Bonakdarian said: >Hiya, >I was wondering if anyone has any comments on this modem/ethernet >device, in particular if it works ok with the 560x, Windows 95 and >Linux. Works just fine under Windows95. I don't know about LINUX. You might only be able to use the Ethernet (10BaseT) side or the modem side at a time. >I can get a good deal on this card _if_ someone can confirm to me >that it works with the above. If you know, please e-mail me (I get >the list in digest format, so otherwise I'll have to wait a day and >it will be too late to get the modem). Ok. I did not read this. I'll add your name back to the header. >Esmail >PS: I'm more interested in the ethernet part than the modem, the >modem > is an extra bonus. >PPS: How much space does this PCIMCIA card take up? Will it use up > both slots? Sorry to ask such elementary questions, I'm new to >laptops. It uses only one typeII slot. Recommmend installing it in the TOP slot. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 14:36:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17052 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17369; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:33:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17237; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17225; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01IZ0201ZWSQ9C8QM4@asu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:33:19 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [198.60.132.11]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA14861 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:33:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24220; Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:33:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:33:18 -0700 (MST) From: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Subject: Re: PCMCIA radio To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Message-id: <9807041833.AA24220@aztec.asu.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Does anyone know whether such a thing as a PCMCIA radio exists? > >... and if so can I use it with WarpTuner on my 760C? On a 770 I use a Walkman with AM/FM radio, with the earphones output connected to the 770's audio input and I can also listen to tapes. All with the 770's 3-D or SRS sound. At the moment I'm powering it from a voltage divider connected to the mouse port in the back of the 770. jc From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 15:54:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18117 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18885; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:48:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18721; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18704; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807041948.PAA18704@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Sun, 3 Jul 1988 12:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Sat, 04 Jul 98 12:48:18 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Linux on TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am trying to get linux going on my new 600 21U (fine machine). It turns out that there are new free accelerated drivers for the NeoMagic XD (ftp//ftp.redhat.com/pub/XBF, keep trying) Unfortunately the documentation on how to install it is pretty sparse. This probably wouldn't be a problem if I wasn't such a linux newbie. The drivers are new enought that nobody has put up a howto page. I have it all installed, and startx works in something like 340x400 mode, but I just don't know how to fix the XF86Config file to get it working properly. Could someone who has installed these drivers please email me their working XF86Config file? P.S. For those of you who don't mind playing video games on an external monitor, don't do thier computing in bright sunlight, and who have better things to do with $1000, the 13" 1024x768 HPA display is really quite nice. Best of all, you get a reliable 4 hours on the battery. P.P.S. The surface finish and external dimensions of the 600 are remarkably similar to the tp750 it replaced. The keyboard isn't as good though. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 16:17:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18439 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19869; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:15:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19726; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19714; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mindless.com (camb0451.capecod.net [209.244.245.197]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.0/8.9.0/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22334 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:15:14 -0400 Message-ID: <359E8D4B.904452BA@mindless.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 16:15:07 -0400 From: big bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Unscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Unscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 16:32:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18610 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20407; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:28:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20237; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20225; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mindless.com (camb0451.capecod.net [209.244.245.197]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.0/8.9.0/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA24232 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:28:42 -0400 Message-ID: <359E9073.EC2CBDA6@mindless.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 16:28:35 -0400 From: big bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 4 22:49:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23585 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26513; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:45:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26328; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26306; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.ibm.net (slip-32-100-60-205.nm.us.ibm.net [32.100.60.205]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA24228 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:45:38 GMT Message-Id: <199807050245.CAA24228@out4.ibm.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:48:58 MDT From: "J. Michael Stolp" Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: OS/2 Warp4; Thinkpad 770; Winword 6.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Word for Windows v.6.0c seems to open files at a crawl. Although it may take several seconds (30 seconds or more) to open a file, it seems like an eternity. There appears to be much disk activity or thrashing. I do not recall this apparent slowness until recently. FWIW, other Win-OS2 programs seem to open files quickly including MS Excel v.5.0c. I do not know if the phenomenon relates to OS/2 Warp 4, the Thinkpad, Windows or Winword. The system is a Thinkpad 770, P-233, 160mb ram, Warp4 fp5. I have inspected the CONFIG.SYS and do not see anything unusual or out of kilter. I have inspected the object settings for both full screen and seamless WINOS2. The object settings seem as always and in order. I have reviewed WINOS2 SYSTEM.INI and WIN.INI, and again do not see anything unusual or out of order. I have reinstalled Winword. Does anyone have suggestions as to where to look or what to do? I do not recall installing any new programs, either OS/2 or WINOS2, recently. I did download some Microsoft True Type fonts for Win95, and installed them into WINOS2 not long ago. Such fonts include MS Comic Sans and others. Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Written at 08:48pm MDT on 07/04/98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 00:13:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24680 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28366; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:10:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28226; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28214; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a45.pm3-32.theriver.com [208.164.96.45]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01949; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:10:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <359EFCCE.7AE75EDA@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 21:10:54 -0700 From: James J Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Michael Stolp" , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp4; Thinkpad 770; Winword 6.0 References: <199807050245.CAA24228@out4.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu J. Michael Stolp wrote: > I did download some Microsoft True Type fonts for Win95, and > installed them into WINOS2 not long ago. Such fonts include MS > Comic Sans and others. This is the cause of your problem. Prune the amount of fonts to only those you use on a regular basis. James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 02:17:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA26357 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01497; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:13:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01308; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01295; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.theriver.com (a11.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.203]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13321; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:13:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199807050613.XAA13321@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 98 23:17:48 -0700 To: "J. Michael Stolp" , "Thinkpad Discussion Group" In-Reply-To: <199807050416.EAA33802@out4.ibm.net> Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp4; Thinkpad 770; Winword 6.0 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <199807050416.EAA33802@out4.ibm.net>, on 07/04/98 at 10:20 PM, "J. Michael Stolp" said: >I had already thought of that possibility. I only have about 8-10 >fonts installed. Far fewer than what is on my desktop computer which >is only a P-200, and where I do not notice the Winword file opening >sluggishness. Did you change any of the session settings? It sounds like you decreased the amount of memory available to this particular session. Are you running any new programs in the "background" that you were not previously? James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 09:19:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00731 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14575; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:15:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14426; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14412; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.ibm.net (slip-32-100-60-108.nm.us.ibm.net [32.100.60.108]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA44568 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:15:50 GMT Message-Id: <199807051315.NAA44568@out4.ibm.net> To: "Thinkpad Discussion Group" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:19:41 MDT From: "J. Michael Stolp" Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp4; Thinkpad 770; Winword 6.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from os2support@theriver.com Sat, 04 Jul 98 23:17:48 -0700 > Did you change any of the session settings? No, except to experiment with increasing files and memory settings. When these actions had no effect, I restored what I already had. These settings are the same as on my desktop which is a slower CPA yet does not show the sluggish symptoms. > It sounds like you > decreased the amount of memory available to this particular > session. Not that I can determine or am aware of. > Are you running any new programs in the "background" > that you were not previously? No, I am running the same programs. Additionally the programs that I am running on my Thinkpad are the same (albeit *fewer*) than what is running on the desktop. The desktop is not sluggish in opening Winword files. I will test for viruses today, although there are no telltale signs of the Word Macro virus, whatever they call it. Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Written at 06:53am MDT on 07/05/98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 09:55:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA01264 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15293; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:53:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15160; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15147; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lance (209-20-0-13.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.0.13]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10626 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Lance Nichols" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: help! Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:52:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bda81c$228a94e0$0d0014d1@lance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have just started catching up on all the posts to the ThinkPad group, when I realized... I am getting two copies of every post... is any one else getting this? Lance Nichols From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 11:41:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02481 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17135; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:38:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17009; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16996; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20489 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:38:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 5 Jul 98 17:38:03 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 5 Jul 98 17:37:53 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.146) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40) with ESMTP; 5 Jul 98 17:37:48 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA02847 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:43:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199807052043.QAA02847@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 16:43:33 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP 760XD - crashed Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! I've a nice little 760 XD running OS/2 Warp 4. Works very stable (as OS/2 allways does ;-) but yesterday I had a crash. The first for about half a year now. Seemed to be quite mysterious: The TP simply rebooted. Without any action of my part. Then I got message that ther're only 8 MB of RAM installed (ther're 40MB in real life), and ERROR 163. BIOS came up. TP rebooted some times, (not me, the TP it self) said there where 4MB of RAM and other strange errors. I switched it off, and let it stand there about an hour. I had used it the whole day, so I thought of a heat problem. (Fan is working, and it can blow out the air freely.) Then I switched it on again, and found that the complete BIOS-settings were resetted. The Mwave tried to emulate SB16 so my network adaptor didn't work cause of ressourceconflicts and nearly all TP-Features were set to some strange values. I turned it back to where they belong, but now I've a simple question: Why did it do this? Any hints? Could it have been heat? And if, how can I cure that? I'm used to work with my PC the whole day, now I've to say it nearly never crashes. I'd like to eliminate the "nearly" ;-) Are there any known problems concerning heat for the 760XD? Could it have been heat or would anybody here suggest a diffrent problem? If more details are needed, please mail. -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 11:45:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02519 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17416; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:42:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17277; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17265; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holly.ColoState.EDU (holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.76]) by eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28688 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roco (ts2115.SLIP.ColoState.EDU [129.82.192.67]) by holly.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id JAA79548 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001101bda82b$64f9e240$43c05281@Roco.colotate.edu> From: "cstaszak" To: "Thinkpad list" Subject: Optimizing Win98 on TP600 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:41:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDA7F9.1963AD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDA7F9.1963AD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI, I just installed w98 on a tp600 and wanted to share a few things and = invite some feedback. After reading the w98 resource manual, I attempted to optimize the = performance of w98 by: 1. Moving the swap file to another partition where nothing else goes on. = In this case c:\, I put w98 in E:\. This is a 511meg partition. This = should result in less fragmentation and conflict. 2. Changed the file performance settings to "server". This increases = PathCache and NameCache quite a bit. 3. Turned on DMA for the CDROM and HD. They were off by default. No = problems so far. By the way, are they turned on by default with W95 out = of the box? If anyone else has installed W98 on a TP600, check you system = information program in w98, and check for shared IRQ's. I am sharing 3 = and 10 with the DSP and modem, and 11 is shared by Neomagic, TI Cardbus = controller and IRQ holder for PCI steering. No conflicts are noted in = device manager. The installation went perfect with no problems. I added a number of = partitions with PartitionMagic before starting, and now have C:\ root = and swp file, D:\ for applications, e:\Win98, F:\ and G:\ for different = types of data, and H and I formatted NTFS for upcoming NT40 = installation. Chris ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDA7F9.1963AD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI,
 
I just installed w98 on a tp600 and = wanted to=20 share a few things and invite some feedback.
 
After reading the w98 resource = manual, I=20 attempted to optimize the performance of w98 by:
 
1. Moving the swap file to another = partition=20 where nothing else goes on. In this case c:\, I put w98 in E:\. This is = a 511meg=20 partition. This should result in less fragmentation and = conflict.
 
2. Changed the file performance = settings to=20 "server". This increases PathCache and NameCache quite a=20 bit.
 
3.  Turned on DMA for the CDROM = and HD.=20 They were off by default. No problems so far. By the way, are they = turned on by=20 default with W95 out of the box?
 
If anyone else has installed W98 on = a TP600,=20 check you system information program in w98, and check for shared IRQ's. = I am=20 sharing 3 and 10 with the DSP and modem, and 11 is shared by Neomagic, = TI=20 Cardbus controller and IRQ holder for PCI steering. No conflicts are = noted in=20 device manager.
 
The installation went perfect with = no problems.=20 I added a number of partitions with PartitionMagic before starting, and = now have=20 C:\ root and swp file, D:\ for applications, e:\Win98, F:\ and G:\ for = different=20 types of data, and H and I formatted NTFS for upcoming NT40=20 installation.
 
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDA7F9.1963AD20-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 13:28:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03687 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20242; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:23:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20036; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20024; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IZ1CXC12Q89I6WL8@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:23:48 MST Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:06:54 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp4; Thinkpad 770; Winword 6.0 In-reply-to: "Message dated Sat, 04 Jul 1998 20:48:58 -0600 (MDT)" <199807050245.CAA24228@out4.ibm.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IZ1DU8XRLA9I6WL8@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Word for Windows v.6.0c seems to open files at a crawl. Although > it may take several seconds (30 seconds or more) to open a file, > it seems like an eternity. There appears to be much disk activity > or thrashing. Maybe your disk needs defragmenting? I just did this under DOS for my 755 as Netscape and such were starting to make me wonder if they'd ever get going. I've been burned a couple times by the Norton defrag program, this time I had a backup handy and had to restore three files in the windows directory that "changed" - windows would not run plus the lousy error message about why flashed by so quickly there was no hope of ever seeing what it said, but the dos compare program takes wildcards so it wasn't all that rough. You could also just backup and restore (the old fashioned way of defragging) to accomplish the same thing... Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 14:55:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04802 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22986; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:52:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22822; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22810; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.ibm.net (slip-32-100-60-28.nm.us.ibm.net [32.100.60.28]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA70436 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:52:23 GMT Message-Id: <199807051852.SAA70436@out5.ibm.net> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:55:45 MDT From: "J. Michael Stolp" Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp4; Thinkpad 770; Winword 6.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from billy@MIX.COM Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:06:54 -0700 (MST) > Maybe your disk needs defragmenting? I just did this under DOS > for my 755 as Netscape and such were starting to make me wonder > if they'd ever get going. I've been burned a couple times by the > Norton defrag program, this time I had a backup handy and had to > restore three files in the windows directory that "changed" - > windows would not run plus the lousy error message about why > flashed by so quickly there was no hope of ever seeing what it > said, but the dos compare program takes wildcards so it wasn't > all that rough. You could also just backup and restore (the old > fashioned way of defragging) to accomplish the same thing... Billy, I thanks for the suggestion. I am running HPFS, and also ran the Gamma Tech Utilities HPFS Defragger a couple of weeks ago. I guess I can run it again, it's not a bif deal. I have also booted to maintenance partition and ran CHKDSK with no errors noted. Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Written at 12:46pm MDT on 07/05/98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 18:04:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07179 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27389; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:00:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27208; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27178; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laurespc (slip166-72-238-24.fl.us.ibm.net [166.72.238.24]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA110104 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:59:46 GMT Message-ID: <359F5699.5B6C@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 06:34:25 -0400 From: Laure Dau Reply-To: lmdau@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-nnie30 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 19:34:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08327 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29742; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:31:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29605; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29592; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mehood (user-38h1tbb.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.245.107]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA22703 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807052330.TAA22703@camel7.mindspring.com> X-Sender: mehood@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 18:27:55 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark E Hood Subject: Re: Unscribe In-Reply-To: <359E8D4B.904452BA@mindless.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu GEEEZZ!!! how many of these must we endure in one day!!! Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 16:15:07 -0400 From: big bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Unscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu UnscribeAt 04:15 PM 7/4/98 -0400, you wrote: >Unscribe > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 19:53:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08673 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00589; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:50:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00435; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00420; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA16375; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807052348.QAA16375@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Patrick West" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 05 Jul 98 16:49:26 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: subscribing Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:08:19 -0700 (PDT), Patrick West wrote: >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >X-UIDL: 496011c6a22239c6ff3350ab24c432ea > >Folks, >Does anyone recall how to subscribe to this list? 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It's in the headers. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 19:54:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08689 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00785; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:52:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00483; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00462; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA16636 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807052350.QAA16636@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 05 Jul 98 16:51:04 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 05 Jul 1998 18:27:55 -0500, Mark E Hood wrote: >GEEEZZ!!! how many of these must we endure in one day!!! > I know, especially when people don't know how to spell "UNSUBSCRIBE". Sheesh, too many bad spellers and people who don't read the unsubscribe notes in the headers! -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 5 20:33:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09182 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02042; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:30:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01898; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01886; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA07977; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:29:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807060029.TAA07977@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 17:29:16 -0700 To: "David W. Taylor" , "Teddy Wang" , From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600 Ethernet nightmare (3C575 support) In-Reply-To: <015e01bda84b$1e3e12c0$bf80b3cc@greasygirl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:48 AM 7/5/98 , David W. Taylor wrote: >OK, I now have a completely happy NT 4 installation on my ThinkPad on my >third attempt but I am using an EtherLink III (3C589D) card, which seems to >run fine at I/O port 3E0 and IRQ 9 in the top slot nearest the keyboard. Sounds good so far. NT is so much better for software development, it's like night and day. I didn't know it mattered which slot you plugged a card into. Are they different? >Now I would like to install my Fast EtherLink XL (3c575-TX) CardBus card. >This will let me leave one card at work and use one card at home on the >faster network. This sounds familiar. The part about "at home on the faster network." I cringe when I connect to the overloaded 10BaseT network at Adobe... >When I tried (one attempt ago) I could not get the 575 to work at all. 3COM >even have dire advice on their web site that it may not work. We know that >to be incorrect though! And a good thing, too. >So, Mike, what are your EXACT addresses now? We have essentially the same >hardware so they may work for me. I notice that CardWizard likes to change >the addresses given. I tried port 3000, 3100 and addresses D0000 and D8000, >IRQ 9 and 10. CardWizard set me back to port 1000 and address D0000. My ThinkPad configuration is close to stock, with the serial port, printer port, modem, and sound enabled on their default settings, and infrared disabled. In the Network control panel, the 3C575 is set to I/O port 3000, memory address C8000, and IRQ 11. Maybe try those settings? >I have not yet installed the TrackPoint (I use an external mouse.) and the >InfraRed, which I don't need. I use a Ricochet modem, so I have not yet >installed the internal modem software either. All of the above on the >theory that less conflicts are likely with less hardware in use. That makes sense to me. (All but the external mouse. I like the TrackPoint a lot better than a mouse myself--been using them on my desktop machines for years--but everybody's taste is different.) >Lastly, why is CardWizard called "wizard?" It does seem to be vital but >offers only occasional help and often just tells you to "correct" something. The reason for the name is a trade secret, known only to the program's authors. >Is there any generally readable advice on PC card setup? The ThinkPad site >seems quiet on the specifics. I haven't seen much. I went through some of the same headaches as you--the 3C575 didn't want to cooperate at all at first. Then I stumbled into some settings that work, and it's been terrific ever since. Hot swap and everything. This is with the old 3C575 driver. I just downloaded a 2.0 version from 3COM's web site and now I'm debating where I'm brave enough to try it. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 6 01:11:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12505 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10552; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:03:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10380; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mole.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10368; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sf-pm14-1-97.dialup.slip.net ([207.171.197.97] helo=slipnet.com) by mole.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 0yt3Qt-0000tb-00; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:03:19 -0700 Message-ID: <35A05B1C.4FEDC9F1@slipnet.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:05:33 -0700 From: Mitchell Yee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Misc. TP Parts for Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu More stuff for sale from my closet: 2 12.7 mm (height) 810 MB hard drives Toshiba brand (Simple Technology labeled) These drives were pulled from dead IBM 360s. The 360s died for various reasons, other than a bad hard disk. I've just reformatted them and SCANDISKed them.. One of the drives has 32K of bad sectors. The other is clean. $75 each or $125 for the pair. 1 Dock II Hard drive adapter IBM P/N 66G3535 $75 This is the tray to add a second hard drive into a Dock II. The hard drive must be mounted in a 360/760-type caddy. 1 TP360-type hard drive caddy. $35 1 TP701-type hard drive caddy. $50 (original IBM, not clone) 1 TP 360/760 Port Replicator IBM P/N 53G9712 $75 Port replicator with 2 PCMCIA slots, one serial, one parallel, VGA, keyboard, PS/2 mouse and one floppy drive port. 1 Baseplate for SelectaDock I, II and III-NEW $150 IBM P/N 39H7407 Baseplate adapter for TP models 360, 750, 755, 760 for SelectDock systems. You should check IBM's websites if you are not sure the baseplate works for your Thinkpad. Baseplate with floppy drive port, VGA, 9-pin serial, one parallel port, and two PS/2 ports (mouse and keyboard). With manual. All parts are used (except the Baseplate), some more than others. They are fully functional, but I can warrant against DOA only. As usual, I'm open to reasonable offers. Since I'm not making any money on this, the shipping is on the buyer. Money orders only, please. Please respond to: mitchyee@slipnet.com Don't respond to my usual email address (mitchell_yee@jud.ca.gov) since I'll be out of the office most of this week. thanks, Mitchell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 6 01:37:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12735 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11261; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:34:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11070; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11057; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA26146; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 00:34:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807060534.AAA26146@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:33:49 -0700 To: "David W. Taylor" , "Teddy Wang" , From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600 Ethernet nightmare (3C575 support) In-Reply-To: <015e01bda84b$1e3e12c0$bf80b3cc@greasygirl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David, I think I figured out the deal on the 3C575--at least on my machine. I made the mistake of upgrading to the 2.0 drivers I found on 3COM's web site. Nothing worked after that. No network at all. So I went back to the 1.1 driver that came with the card. It still didn't work! Then I found the December 1997 driver I'd gotten off 3COM's site when I first got the ThinkPad. Tried it and everything started working again. I don't think it's the settings, I think it's the driver. At least for me. I'm sending you (in a private message, not to the list! ) a copy of the December driver. Let me know if it helps... -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 6 09:23:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17706 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29489; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:11:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28973; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout.easynet.de (mailout.easynet.de [194.24.208.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28960; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from fwvx2301.huk-coburg.de ([194.24.204.146]) by mailout.easynet.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA08273 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:10:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from insc3000.huk-coburg.de (unverified [172.16.1.157]) by fwvx2301.huk-coburg.de (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Mo, 06 Jul 1998 15:09:12 +0200 Received: from wspc1085 ([172.16.13.66]) by insc3000.huk-coburg.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 145 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:08:42 +0200 Message-Id: <35A0DAEA.1E4@huk-coburg.de> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:10:50 +0100 Reply-To: wolfgang.mueller@huk-coburg.de Organization: HUK-Coburg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: (Kein 'Betreff') Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe wolfgang.mueller@huk-coburg.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 6 09:44:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA18022 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01409; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:40:10 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01135; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id JAA22780; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11762; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg136-057.ricochet.net [204.179.136.57]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06925; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01bda8a2$2bffe1c0$0501a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Teddy Wang" , , "Michael Geary" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600 Ethernet nightmare (3C575 support) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:51:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think you may be right. Having just spent the best part of two hours futzing with both version 1.1 and the new 2.0, I have managed to get the card to pass diagnostics with 2.0 but no response from the network. It really is a nightmare. I am eager to try your older driver and will let you and the list know. It hasn't arrived yet but it's only 15 minutes since you sent your message. Thanks for all your help here. David -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary To: David W. Taylor ; Teddy Wang ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600 Ethernet nightmare (3C575 support) >David, I think I figured out the deal on the 3C575--at least on my machine. >I made the mistake of upgrading to the 2.0 drivers I found on 3COM's web >site. Nothing worked after that. No network at all. So I went back to the >1.1 driver that came with the card. It still didn't work! Then I found the >December 1997 driver I'd gotten off 3COM's site when I first got the >ThinkPad. Tried it and everything started working again. > >I don't think it's the settings, I think it's the driver. At least for me. > >I'm sending you (in a private message, not to the list! ) a copy of the >December driver. Let me know if it helps... > >-Mike > >http://www.geary.com >mailto:mg@mg.to >ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 6 12:08:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20292 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09878; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:03:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09531; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.hd.ibm.de (firewall.hd.ibm.de [192.101.197.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09505; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com by firewall.hd.ibm.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03/TWS 4.03.3-cherub) id AA08372; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:57:52 +0200 Received: from pool2.heidelbg.ibm.com (pool2.heidelbg.ibm.com [9.228.3.102]) by mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.4-mailserver) with ESMTP id SAA55810 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:01:39 +0200 (MSZ) Received: (from krumeich@localhost) by pool2.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.2-pool) id SAA28546; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:01:39 +0200 (MSZ) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:01:38 +0200 (MSZ) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 and Linux: hibernation In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi there, As has been noted on this list, there is a severe problem with Linux on the newer ThinkPads 600 & 770E and the suspend/resume feature. I have not yet experienced the problem myself since I have got my TP600 only yesterday and didn't have the chance yet to install Linux. Anyway, I have been thinking about this problem this afternoon and came out with a suggestion that maybe is worth discussing: IBM has provided several fixes for OS/2 and NT users so that they can use the suspend/resume features or their TP600s when they use those OSes' native file systems -- HPFS and NTFS. The trouble seems to be that the BIOS (or whoever is responsible for switching to hibernation mode) can't read the hibernation file. Either the file is not written properly in the first place or it can't be read. My guess is that the BIOS needs a FAT formatted partition to write the file because it's written to an area on the hard disk that is hard coded into the BIOS, probably something like the first n sectors of the first primary partition. I guess further that the write/read operation fails when the BIOS finds a partition that is not FAT formatted. All these people who have experienced the problem: What is your hard drive configuration? Is Linux the only OS on your hard disk? Do you boot Linux from a _primary_ partition? Is a fat partition visible when you suspend the machine? I wonder what would happen if Linux is booted from an extended partition with the Win95 partition mounted, so that the BIOS can see the FAT partition and write the hibernation file to it. Anybody willing to try this out? Any comments? Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 6 13:06:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA21185 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13488; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:01:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13134; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13122; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807061701.NAA13122@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 5 Jul 1988 9:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 06 Jul 98 10:01:05 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600 and Linux: hibernation Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have kept a small primary FAT partition on my TP600 just for hibernation and games. Linux is on an extended EXT2 partition. Linux will hibernate, and read everything in, but it will come up utterly frozen. I think it is something besides the format of the hibernation file. It also freezes after suspend. I'm glad to hear this is a common problem. I thought it was just my linux ignorance. P.S. The new NeoMagic drivers work great. On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:01:38 +0200 (MSZ), Alexander Krumeich wrote: >Hi there, > >As has been noted on this list, there is a severe problem with Linux on the >newer ThinkPads 600 & 770E and the suspend/resume feature. I have not yet >experienced the problem myself since I have got my TP600 only yesterday and >didn't have the chance yet to install Linux. > >Anyway, I have been thinking about this problem this afternoon and came >out with a suggestion that maybe is worth discussing: > >IBM has provided several fixes for OS/2 and NT users so that they can use >the suspend/resume features or their TP600s when they use those OSes' >native file systems -- HPFS and NTFS. The trouble seems to be that the >BIOS (or whoever is responsible for switching to hibernation mode) can't >read the hibernation file. Either the file is not written properly in >the first place or it can't be read. My guess is that the BIOS needs a >FAT formatted partition to write the file because it's written to an >area on the hard disk that is hard coded into the BIOS, probably >something like the first n sectors of the first primary partition. I >guess further that the write/read operation fails when the BIOS finds a >partition that is not FAT formatted. > >All these people who have experienced the problem: What is your hard drive >configuration? Is Linux the only OS on your hard disk? Do you boot Linux from >a _primary_ partition? Is a fat partition visible when you suspend the >machine? > >I wonder what would happen if Linux is booted from an extended partition with >the Win95 partition mounted, so that the BIOS can see the FAT partition and >write the hibernation file to it. Anybody willing to try this out? Any >comments? > > Alexander > >-- >Alexander Krumeich > >Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com >http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ > > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 6 13:38:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA21706 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15846; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:33:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15565; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15547; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA00228; Mon, 6 Jul 98 13:32:41 EDT Message-Id: <35A10A3B.C8210D5B@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:32:43 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 and Linux: hibernation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Alexander Krumeich wrote: > IBM has provided several fixes for OS/2 and NT users so that they can use > the suspend/resume features or their TP600s when they use those OSes' > native file systems -- HPFS and NTFS. The trouble seems to be that the > BIOS (or whoever is responsible for switching to hibernation mode) can't > read the hibernation file. Either the file is not written properly in > the first place or it can't be read. My guess is that the BIOS needs a > FAT formatted partition to write the file because it's written to an > area on the hard disk that is hard coded into the BIOS, probably > something like the first n sectors of the first primary partition. I > guess further that the write/read operation fails when the BIOS finds a > partition that is not FAT formatted. I believe this is wishful thinking. For one, my problems with suspend/resume to not involve hibernation in any way. Suspend is distinct from hibernate, and suspend does not use the disk. > All these people who have experienced the problem: What is your hard drive > configuration? Is Linux the only OS on your hard disk? Do you boot Linux from > a _primary_ partition? Is a fat partition visible when you suspend the > machine? I have a FAT-16 Win95 partition with a hibernation file. Linux boots from a primary partition. Basically, this is exactly the same setup that worked on a 760C, a 760E, and a Pentium 770. > I wonder what would happen if Linux is booted from an extended partition with > the Win95 partition mounted, so that the BIOS can see the FAT partition and > write the hibernation file to it. Anybody willing to try this out? Any > comments? I believe that the hibernation file is not at all an issue. This problem also occurs on Pentium II TP770s. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 6 16:10:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24558 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23657; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:04:11 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22964; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA08582; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17303; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.207]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27069; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01bda909$3eaae970$cf769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "David W. Taylor" , "Teddy Wang" , , "Michael Geary" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600 Ethernet nightmare (3C575 support) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:09:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >From: Michael Geary >>David, I think I figured out the deal on the 3C575--at least on my machine. >>I don't think it's the settings, I think it's the driver. At least for me. >I think you may be right. Having just spent the best part of two hours >futzing with both version 1.1 and the new 2.0, I have managed to get the >card to pass diagnostics with 2.0 but no response from the network. It >really is a nightmare. > >I am eager to try your older driver and will let you and the list know. It >hasn't arrived yet but it's only 15 minutes since you sent your message. > Dead on! 3Com is supplying drivers that do not work on the ThinkPad 600. The older December 97 driver from Mike solved all of my problems. David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 7 08:34:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08195 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11684; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:30:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11491; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwb.hk.super.net (cwb.hk.super.net [202.14.67.92]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11477; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kwaifong.hk.super.net (root@kwaifong.hk.super.net [202.14.67.7]) by cwb.hk.super.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23443 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:30:07 +0800 (HKT) Received: from hobbes (PPPa49-New_YorkB3-3R165.saturn.bbn.com [4.9.133.239]) by kwaifong.hk.super.net with SMTP id UAA26095 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:30:04 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <199807071230.UAA26095@kwaifong.hk.super.net> X-Sender: whay@pop.hk.super.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Demo Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:30:00 +0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: William Hay Subject: TP 600, mwave and Windows 98... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try as I might, I can't get IBM's advice on reinstalling the mwave software after installing win 98 to work. I remember that someone recently had a post on the subject -- could someone please refresh my memory, or perhaps direct me to an archive site?

TIA!

Will
From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 7 11:18:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10445 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22596; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:08:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22150; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22137; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00560; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:08:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: William Hay cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600, mwave and Windows 98... In-Reply-To: <199807071230.UAA26095@kwaifong.hk.super.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please do not post your message is html form Many, many users can only read text files either because of their equipment, software, or the location where they are connected to the list. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 7 16:10:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15657 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13196; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:59:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12519; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.ktc.com (ns1.ktc.com [207.71.36.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12487; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dwvfk (ptp128.ktc.com [207.71.36.128]) by ns1.ktc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA30471 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:58:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "W.J. Mencarow (The Paper Source, Inc.)" To: Subject: 701 CS external floppy drive Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: <01bda9e1$f4e58460$3d2447cf@dwvfk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01BDA9B8.0C0F7C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01BDA9B8.0C0F7C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, I'm looking for an external 3.5" floppy drive for my 701CS (I've = misplaced mine). I've searched all over the Web, called cos, nothing, = except my local VAR says he can get me one...for $185. At that price = I'd rather I'll buy another=20 701CS with an external f.d. Do you know of any sources for the f.d., or good sources of used 701CS? Thank you. W.J. Mencarow 830-895-5025 Fax: 830-895-7885 The Paper Source, Inc., 250 W. Main, Suite 220, Kerrville, TX 78028 ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01BDA9B8.0C0F7C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,

I'm looking for an external 3.5" floppy = drive for my=20 701CS (I've misplaced mine).  I've searched all over the Web, = called cos,=20 nothing, except my local VAR says he can get me one...for $185.  At = that=20 price I'd rather I'll buy another
701CS with an external = f.d.

Do you=20 know of any sources for the f.d., or good sources of used = 701CS?

Thank=20 you.

W.J. Mencarow
 
 
830-895-5025   Fax: =20 830-895-7885
The Paper Source, Inc., 250 W. Main, Suite 220, = Kerrville, TX=20 78028 
------=_NextPart_000_005C_01BDA9B8.0C0F7C60-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 7 17:20:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16580 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17993; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:16:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17482; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17452; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TEST (dyn-128-75.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.75]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA18648 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807072117.OAA18648@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:15:25 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01bda9e1$f4e58460$3d2447cf@dwvfk> Subject: Re: 701 CS external floppy drive X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 b47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 07/07/98 "W.J. Mencarow (The Paper Source, Inc.)" said: >Greetings, >I'm looking for an external 3.5" floppy drive for my 701CS (I've >misplaced mine). I've searched all over the Web, called cos, nothing, >except my local VAR says he can get me one...for $185. At that price I'd >rather I'll buy another 701CS with an external f.d. >Do you know of any sources for the f.d., or good sources of used 701CS? Check BG Micro at http://www.bgmicro.com/ They had one a while back for $12.50. You would still have to get the cable from IBM but I heard that the connector was the same. Good luck. Vicky -- ___________________________________________________________ Vicky Stables, CPA stables@cnw.com ___________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 7 20:18:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19355 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25409; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:13:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25158; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25146; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holly.ColoState.EDU (holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.76]) by eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id SAA30684; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roco (ts2204.SLIP.ColoState.EDU [129.82.192.72]) by holly.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id SAA62402; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000a01bdaa05$24e9c360$48c05281@Roco.colotate.edu> From: "cstaszak" To: , "William Hay" Subject: Re: TP 600, mwave and Windows 98... Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:12:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BDA9D2.D92A5B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BDA9D2.D92A5B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, I just installed w98 on my 600, and it worked perfectly. I followed the = instructions on the ibm web site. Everything worked first time. Chris -----Original Message----- From: William Hay To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 6:34 AM Subject: TP 600, mwave and Windows 98... =20 =20 Try as I might, I can't get IBM's advice on reinstalling the mwave = software after installing win 98 to work. I remember that someone = recently had a post on the subject -- could someone please refresh my = memory, or perhaps direct me to an archive site? =20 TIA! =20 Will ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BDA9D2.D92A5B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
 
I just installed w98 on my 600, and it worked = perfectly. I=20 followed the instructions on the ibm web site. Everything worked first=20 time.
 
Chris
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 William Hay <whay@Siena.Com>
To: = thinkpad@cs.utk.edu <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Tuesday, July 07, 1998 6:34 AM
Subject: TP 600, mwave = and=20 Windows 98...

Try as I might, I = can't get=20 IBM's advice on reinstalling the mwave software after installing win = 98 to=20 work. I remember that someone recently had a post on the subject -- = could=20 someone please refresh my memory, or perhaps direct me to an archive = site?

TIA!

Will
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BDA9D2.D92A5B60-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 00:50:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA29805 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03776; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:46:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03617; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfi.santafe.edu (sfi.santafe.edu [192.12.12.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03604; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucero.santafe.edu by sfi.santafe.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24915; Tue, 7 Jul 98 22:41:45 MDT Received: by lucero.santafe.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA01665; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 22:41:43 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux Only: ThinkPad 365XD (TFT display), RedHat 5.0 and XFree86 3.3.2 From: Alex Lancaster Date: 07 Jul 1998 22:41:43 -0600 Message-Id: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi folks! This is only for people trying to run Linux on their laptop... Has anyone managed to configure the XF86_SVGA (RedHat package 3.3.2-15) server to give 800x600 resolution with the above hardware/software configuration? I have been pulling out my hair trying to get this to work. The worst thing, is that I actually managed to get everthing working under older versions of RedHat (4.2) and XFree86 (3.2, from memory). The man page for XF86_SVGA claims that this version (3.3.2) supports ThinkPad's Trident chipset "tgui9320lcd", but doesn't recognise it when I set Chipset "tgui9320lcd" in the XF86Config file. However it does seem to recognise "cyber9320" which I don't think is the exactly correct Chipset (these servers are notoriously fussy about the Chipset setting). I can get 640x480 running at the moment which is an extremely poor workaround at the moment, considering that *theoretically* with the 1 Mb of video RAM on this model of ThinkPad I *should* be able to get up to 1024x768! Thanks, --- Alex -- Alex Lancaster | e-mail: alexl@bigfoot.com Swarm Developer | web: http://www.santafe.edu/~alex Santa Fe Institute | tel: +1-(505) 984-8800 (ext 242) ------------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 01:48:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00769 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05368; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:46:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05202; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05188; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (221.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.221]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA12696; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A307E1.E2BC14BD@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 01:47:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Raybay CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu i hate to start something, but i have never heard that rough handeling will damage memory chips.. cheap is cheap.. if the stuff they sell is low profile and not stacked then it MAY be ok.. or you MAY be lucky.. or both.. the economics of it are simple.. a good product will just cost more to engineer, design, produce, support, etc. than a cheap product.. in thinkpads the timing can be critical.. for the savings i would personally go with a name brand.. preferably thinkpad proven.. and now that some manufacturers are in trouble, a strong company rather than a weak one.. (or a company with a lot of debt to service and margins that are considerably less than what they were)... i don't claim to have all the answers.. i don't even claim to have all the questions.. but for now, i prefer to sell only good stuff.. that excludes simple technology and offshore manufacturers.. if the chip merchant has a good branded part, at a low price, then thats great.. if they are selling unbranded parts, stacked chips or so on, then the $5 or $10 saved is not a real saving.. Raybay wrote: > After upgrading memory in over 700 laptops at lowest available price, > (for a very cheap large organization employer) > I have only had trouble with IBM (once) Kingston (once) and Micron (once) > and have never had any problems with chips based on price... best service > coast to coast (no restocking charge, longer inspection period, best telephone > support) and Chip Merchant ... partially because I don't think they keep a > lot on the shelves but receive and pass through quickly before it gets > knocked around by warehouse and shipping grunts. > > Ray Bayles > > > David, et al., > > i may not be the most impartial person to ask, if you were to ask me, but if you are going to go for price in a memory purchase, then > > you will most likely get what you des.. uhh.. pay for.. :-) -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 02:12:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01291 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08030; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:09:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07864; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07852; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (221.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.221]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA28826; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A30D5E.DA721C9F@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 02:10:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Wanger CC: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: TP 760XD - crashed References: <199807052043.QAA02847@magrathea@stelarcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Alexander.. did you: 1. test all from easy setup 2. pull the add in memory and or pull one or the other of the possible two 16meg DIMM's in your 760X machine..?? 3. put an alternate HDD in place and let it run for a while to see if it again failed..?? my thoughts are: 1. not heat, the fan in the 760X series should keep that well below the 760E series heat.. 2. hardware.. memory, cmos memory, the cmos battery.. 3. hardware again.. :-) i hope this helps in some small way, but it might be time for a trip to the micro-doctor.. Alexander Wagner wrote: > Hello! > > I've a nice little 760 XD running OS/2 Warp 4. Works very stable (as OS/2 > allways does ;-) but yesterday I had a crash. The first for about half a year > now. Seemed to be quite mysterious: The TP simply rebooted. Without any > action of my part. Then I got message that ther're only 8 MB of RAM installed > (ther're 40MB in real life), and ERROR 163. BIOS came up. TP rebooted some > times, (not me, the TP it self) said there where 4MB of RAM and other strange > errors. I switched it off, and let it stand there about an hour. I had used > it the whole day, so I thought of a heat problem. (Fan is working, and it can > blow out the air freely.) Then I switched it on again, and found that the > complete BIOS-settings were resetted. The Mwave tried to emulate SB16 so my > network adaptor didn't work cause of ressourceconflicts and nearly all > TP-Features were set to some strange values. I turned it back to where they > belong, but now I've a simple question: > > Why did it do this? > > Any hints? Could it have been heat? And if, how can I cure that? I'm used to > work with my PC the whole day, now I've to say it nearly never crashes. I'd > like to eliminate the "nearly" ;-) Are there any known problems concerning > heat for the 760XD? Could it have been heat or would anybody here suggest a > diffrent problem? > > If more details are needed, please mail. > -- > > CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 > Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken > Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 04:00:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA02529 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 04:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12779; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:56:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12637; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wpax13.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de (wpax13.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.42.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12623; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wpax03.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de (wpax03.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.42.3]) by wpax13.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11812; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:57:04 +0200 (METDST) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:55:59 +0200 (METDST) From: Alexander Wagner X-Sender: arwagner@wpax03.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de To: Bill Morrow cc: Alexander Wanger , ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: TP 760XD - crashed In-Reply-To: <35A30D5E.DA721C9F@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: Hello! > 1. test all from easy setup Yes. > 2. pull the add in memory and or pull one or the other of the possible two 16meg > DIMM's in your 760X machine..?? That's an idea, I can test the chips in an other TP (have a 385ED arround here, which uses the same chips.) > 3. put an alternate HDD in place and let it run for a while to see if it again > failed..?? Thats a bit harder to do. Don't have ultrabay Hdds flying arround... > my thoughts are: > 1. not heat, the fan in the 760X series should keep that well below the 760E > series heat.. Thought of that, cause it happend only once and I had used the TP the whole day. The room was not very cold here... > 2. hardware.. memory, cmos memory, the cmos battery.. > 3. hardware again.. :-) Hope you're not rigt ;-) > i hope this helps in some small way, but it might be time for a trip to the > micro-doctor.. Ok, I'll try what you said, especially testing memory. CU/2 Alexander Wagner -=[Team OS/2 Franken]=- Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Germany #294 ********************************************* * We know where we want to go today! * ********************************************* From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 05:42:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA03696 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20850; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:39:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20696; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20684; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA23818; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:38:58 -1000 Message-ID: <002601bdaa54$6d11cda0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: Subject: [TPall] memory (was: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:40:15 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill Morrow wrote: >but for now, i prefer to sell only good stuff.. >that excludes simple technology and offshore manufacturers.. I suspect that even most 'Thinkpad Proven' memory gets assembled in Asia (assuming that this is what you mean by 'offshore' - unless you mean 'offshore' as in 'far away from the ocean', e.g. Micron's Utah factory). I've never noticed that manufacturing quality control in Japan and Korea is any worse than that in the US, and the current currency situation should mean that chips produced there are a better value than domestic-branded chips, even at identical quality levels. >if the chip merchant has a good branded part, at a low price, then thats great.. if they are selling unbranded parts, stacked chips or so >on, then the $5 or $10 saved is not a real saving.. Agreed, though the $5-$10 is a bit of an underestimate. Right now Chipmerchant has a 64 meg chip (I don't know what brand if any) for the TP560 for $96. The closest I've seen for big-name memory is about $140 for Viking - much higher for 'TP-proven' (Apricorn, Goldenram) chips. (BTW, I'm considering this chip for my plain-Jane P133 560, despite IBM's adamant note that this 560 model doesn't support 64 megs, and the fact that several manufacturers - e.g., Viking, PNY, Goldenram - seem to agree. Am I right in assuming that the IBM claim is eminently ignorable?) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 06:26:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA04190 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22086; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:23:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21950; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21938; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-32-100-190-246.il.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-190-246.il.us.ibm.net [32.100.190.246]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04968 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:22:53 GMT From: mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: Subject: Re: [TPall] memory (was: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 05:23:22 -0500 Organization: IBM Global Networks Reply-To: mocek@ibm.net Message-ID: <35a347c4.1752378@smtp1.ibm.net> References: <002601bdaa54$6d11cda0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> In-Reply-To: <002601bdaa54$6d11cda0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:40:15 -1000, you wrote: >Right now Chipmerchant has a 64 meg chip (I don't know what brand if any) for the TP560 for $96. The closest I've seen for big-name >memory is about $140 for Viking - much higher for 'TP-proven' (Apricorn, Goldenram) chips. What's the address where you're seeing the $96? I've looked at www.chipmerchant.com and have only seen $199 for 64MB > >(BTW, I'm considering this chip for my plain-Jane P133 560, despite IBM's adamant note that this 560 model doesn't support 64 megs, >and the fact that several manufacturers - e.g., Viking, PNY, Goldenram - seem to agree. Am I right in assuming that the IBM claim >is eminently ignorable?) I've seen the 64MB for $125 at www.cdce.com and they do state that 64MB is ok for regular 560 models, providing the BIOS is up to date. I know that a number of 560 owners, like Emmanuel have gone to the 64MB upgrade. -- Stan Mocek mocek@ibm.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 07:21:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04826 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23573; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:18:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23434; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23412; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts9port16.port.net (ts9port16.port.net [207.38.252.16]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA27590; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "David Ross" Cc: Subject: Re: [TPall] memory (was: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 07:18:24 -0400 Message-ID: <35ae54d9.219778665@mail.interport.net> References: <002601bdaa54$6d11cda0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> In-Reply-To: <002601bdaa54$6d11cda0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:40:15 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: >(BTW, I'm considering this chip for my plain-Jane P133 560, despite IBM's adamant note that this 560 model doesn't support 64 megs, When I asked IBM, they said they had no official position on the subject. They hadn't tested 64mb chips in the 560/133, so they couldn't give any assurances that the chips would work. But they were not saying that the chips would not work. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 08:19:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05376 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25684; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:16:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25504; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25491; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 7.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.7]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980708121549.SOLQ20322@7.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:15:49 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: Subject: Re: [TPall] memory (was: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:16:06 GMT Message-ID: <35a36267.239147@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <002601bdaa54$6d11cda0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> <35a347c4.1752378@smtp1.ibm.net> In-Reply-To: <35a347c4.1752378@smtp1.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 05:23:22 -0500, mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) wrote: >>Right now Chipmerchant has a 64 meg chip (I don't know what brand if = any) for the TP560 for $96. The closest I've seen for big-name >>memory is about $140 for Viking - much higher for 'TP-proven' = (Apricorn, Goldenram) chips. > >What's the address where you're seeing the $96? I've looked at >www.chipmerchant.com and have only seen $199 for 64MB > Give the company a call. I've got the 64MB chip in *my* P133 560, and it works fine. I bought it from them for $107 including shipping a couple of months ago. >> >>(BTW, I'm considering this chip for my plain-Jane P133 560, despite = IBM's adamant note that this 560 model doesn't support 64 megs, >>and the fact that several manufacturers - e.g., Viking, PNY, Goldenram = - seem to agree. Am I right in assuming that the IBM claim >>is eminently ignorable?) I'd say so. There have been rumblings that you need one of the BIOS updates for it to work, but I can't confirm that as I'd already updated my BIOS when I installed my chip. epb Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 08:36:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05642 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26574; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:31:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26233; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.hd.ibm.de (firewall.hd.ibm.de [192.101.197.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26185; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com by firewall.hd.ibm.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03/TWS 4.03.3-cherub) id AA09750; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:26:13 +0200 Received: from pool2.heidelbg.ibm.com (pool2.heidelbg.ibm.com [9.228.3.102]) by mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.4-mailserver) with ESMTP id OAA58352 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:30:02 +0200 (MSZ) Received: (from krumeich@localhost) by pool2.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.2-pool) id OAA31944; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:30:02 +0200 (MSZ) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:30:02 +0200 (MSZ) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com To: ThinkPad List Subject: Reinstalling TP600 software Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi there, over the weekend, I plan to install Linux on my TP 600. I still want to keep a moderately sized Windows 95 partition (approx. 400 MB) next to the ext2fs partitions. The usual of doing this is (a) delete all the partitions (no backup necessary, since I haven't made any vital changes to the system), (b) partition the drive, (c) (re-)install the OSes. Now the problem is that I don't know whether the TP600 recovery CD repartitions the drive to the shipping configuration (two logical drives of 2GB and 1GB each) or if it justs installs all the software to drive c: -- no matter whether the drive has been repartitioned. Has anybody used her recovery disk yet? Is there furthermore a way to select which components shall be installed upon recovery? Thanks, Alexander PS: If someone recommends Partition Magic: I own a copy of Partition Magic, alas only the older version 2.0 which is IIRC not aware of the newer file system that Windows 95 OSR2 uses (Fat32 ?). I like Partition Magic, but with Linux it's not so useful and spending 70$ for a one time installation is a bit much. -- Alexander Krumeich Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 08:52:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05829 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27432; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:48:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27223; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from star.cirrus.com (star.cirrus.com [141.131.7.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27211; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ss563.corp.cirrus.com (ss563.corp.cirrus.com [141.131.8.55]) by star.cirrus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26448; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tbdc.cirrus.com (e450-005.tbdc.cirrus.com [198.90.179.20]) by ss563.corp.cirrus.com with SMTP id FAA27522 (8.7.5/IDA-1.6); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bjonespc.tbdc.cirrus.com by tbdc.cirrus.com (SMI-8.6/Cirrus-2.1) id IAA13015; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:44:36 -0400 From: "Brian Jones" To: , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Reinstalling TP600 software Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:46:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bdaa6e$780722e0$22b35ac6@bjonespc.tbdc.cirrus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've used the recovery CD already and it reformats the drive and supposedly repartitions it back to original setup. -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Krumeich [mailto:krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 8:30 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Reinstalling TP600 software Hi there, over the weekend, I plan to install Linux on my TP 600. I still want to keep a moderately sized Windows 95 partition (approx. 400 MB) next to the ext2fs partitions. The usual of doing this is (a) delete all the partitions (no backup necessary, since I haven't made any vital changes to the system), (b) partition the drive, (c) (re-)install the OSes. Now the problem is that I don't know whether the TP600 recovery CD repartitions the drive to the shipping configuration (two logical drives of 2GB and 1GB each) or if it justs installs all the software to drive c: -- no matter whether the drive has been repartitioned. Has anybody used her recovery disk yet? Is there furthermore a way to select which components shall be installed upon recovery? Thanks, Alexander PS: If someone recommends Partition Magic: I own a copy of Partition Magic, alas only the older version 2.0 which is IIRC not aware of the newer file system that Windows 95 OSR2 uses (Fat32 ?). I like Partition Magic, but with Linux it's not so useful and spending 70$ for a one time installation is a bit much. -- Alexander Krumeich Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 10:36:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07232 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03190; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:29:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02733; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02721; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg130-169.ricochet.net [204.179.130.169]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA12621; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002801bdaa7c$ec01a7c0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Brian Jones" , , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Reinstalling TP600 software (Partition Magic plug) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:30:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have used the Recovery CD. It gives you an option to skip its formatting step, which means you can to partition the drives yourself. The first partition that it will call C: must be at least 1.2 megabytes so that it can put all of its pre-installed software back. Partition Magic is a really cool, well-supported tool. Get at least version 3.05. See www.powerquest.com. I consider this one an indispensible tool-of-the-trade. So your best plan would be to: 1. Let the Recovery CD do its thing. 2. Kill any partitions other than the first one. 3. Boot into Win95 and remove all the unused stuff via Add/Remove. 4. Resize your partition downwards using PM. 5. Add your Linux stuff. Happy futzing! David -----Original Message----- From: Brian Jones To: Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com ; ThinkPad List Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 5:52 AM Subject: RE: Reinstalling TP600 software >I've used the recovery CD already and it reformats >the drive and supposedly repartitions it back to original >setup. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alexander Krumeich [mailto:krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 8:30 AM >To: ThinkPad List >Subject: Reinstalling TP600 software > > >Hi there, > >over the weekend, I plan to install Linux on my TP 600. I still want to >keep a moderately sized Windows 95 partition (approx. 400 MB) next to the >ext2fs partitions. > >The usual of doing this is (a) delete all the partitions (no backup >necessary, since I haven't made any vital changes to the system), (b) >partition the drive, (c) (re-)install the OSes. > >Now the problem is that I don't know whether the TP600 recovery CD >repartitions the drive to the shipping configuration (two logical drives of >2GB and 1GB each) or if it justs installs all the software to drive c: -- >no matter whether the drive has been repartitioned. > >Has anybody used her recovery disk yet? Is there furthermore a way to >select which components shall be installed upon recovery? > >Thanks, > > Alexander > >PS: If someone recommends Partition Magic: I own a copy of Partition Magic, >alas only the older version 2.0 which is IIRC not aware of the newer file >system that Windows 95 OSR2 uses (Fat32 ?). I like Partition Magic, but with >Linux it's not so useful and spending 70$ for a one time installation is a >bit much. > >-- >Alexander Krumeich > >Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com >http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 11:34:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08169 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29523; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:30:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29147; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29134; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip129-37-254-87.il.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-254-87.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.254.87]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA47114 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:30:34 GMT From: mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: Subject: Re: [TPall] memory (was: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:29:38 GMT Organization: IBM Global Networks Reply-To: mocek@ibm.net Message-ID: <35a47432.7364202@smtp1.ibm.net> References: <002601bdaa54$6d11cda0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> <35a347c4.1752378@smtp1.ibm.net> <35a36267.239147@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <35a36267.239147@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:16:06 GMT, you wrote: >>What's the address where you're seeing the $96? I've looked at >>www.chipmerchant.com and have only seen $199 for 64MB >> >Give the company a call. I've got the 64MB chip in *my* P133 560, >and it works fine. I bought it from them for $107 including shipping a >couple of months ago. Thanks for that info, Emanuel. I've gotten so "webcentric" I didn't even think of picking up the telephone. ;-) Have you seen any appreciable performance improvement by moving up >from 40MB? -- Stan Mocek mocek@ibm.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 12:42:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09502 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11498; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:38:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11194; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11119; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA02569 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:39:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:39:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Partitioning (was reinstall on TP600) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Besides Partition Magic, also look at Ranish Partition Manager. It understands FAT16, FAT32 and other file systems and can resize a partition. It also has two handy boot managers. It's free and comes with source. http://main.intercom.com/~ranish/part/ Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 12:52:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09658 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12147; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:48:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11963; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post6.inre.asu.edu (post6.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11926; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01IZ5JGKKM3U9C987M@asu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:47:45 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [198.60.132.11]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA13171 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:47:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07879; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:47:43 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:47:43 -0700 (MST) From: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Subject: Re: [TPall] memory (was: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity)] To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Message-id: <9807081647.AA07879@aztec.asu.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:16:06 GMT, you wrote: > > > >>>What's the address where you're seeing the $96? I've looked at >>>www.chipmerchant.com and have only seen $199 for 64MB this is the URL of Memory World =============================== $96 at THE Chip Merchant's URL: www.thechipmerchant.com ========================================================= >>Give the company a call. I've got the 64MB chip in *my* P133 560, >>and it works fine. I bought it from them for $107 including shipping a >>couple of months ago. >Thanks for that info, Emanuel. I've gotten so "webcentric" I didn't >even think of picking up the telephone. ;-) > >Have you seen any appreciable performance improvement by moving up >from 40MB? > > >-- >Stan Mocek >mocek@ibm.net > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 13:26:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10201 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14561; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:21:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14222; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix5.panix.com (panix5.panix.com [166.84.1.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14206; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from broccole@localhost) by panix5.panix.com (8.8.5/8.8.8/PanixU1.4) id NAA14675; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081721.NAA14675@panix5.panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 2.6) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:23:58 EST From: Michael Cole Subject: 701C: network install of Warp4? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I am thinking of installing Warp 4 on a 701C that is currently running V3 (Warp Connect). Is it possible to get the TP logged onto a network to see the install CDROM? I tried this for Warp Connect but could never get beyond an invalid path error. Any pointers to resources, war stories, gotchas etc. appreciated (I've looked at tpwarper's page on installing V4 - it seems to imply a network install is doable without saying anything specific.) TIA, Michael Cole Michael Cole broccole@panix.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 14:23:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11351 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17913; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:19:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17601; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from empty.Stanford.EDU (mg139-046.ricochet.net [204.179.139.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17583; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from brm@localhost) by empty.Stanford.EDU (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA29351; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:19:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:19:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199807081819.LAA29351@empty.Stanford.EDU> From: Brian Murphy To: alexl@bigfoot.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-reply-to: (message from Alex Lancaster on 07 Jul 1998 22:41:43 -0600) Subject: Re: Linux Only: ThinkPad 365XD (TFT display), RedHat 5.0 and XFree86 3.3.2 Reply-to: brm@cs.stanford.edu References: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I have a Thinkpad 560 (DS display), which isn't a 365, but I had similar problems with XFree86-SVGA-3.3.2. After trying every possible change to the XF86Config file, including various spellings of the chipset, some of which were recognized but none of which worked, I searched around a bit, I found this note on the www.xfree86.org site (http://www.xfree86.org/3.3.2/RELNOTES9.html#9): There are problems with some of the Trident laptop chipsets. The driver seems to work in a limited way for some people, but not others. Until someone with the appropriate hardware can look into this, these problems are unlikely to be fixed. If you wish to work on this, please contact us. We don't need testers, we need people willing and able to fix the problems. So, regrettably lacking time to figure the XFree86-SVGA sources out, I reverted to XFree86-SGVA-3.3.1-14. The lesson: keep in mind that the server might actually not work for your chipset, even though it says it does. -Brian ps. I would welcome a contradiction from another TP560 owner who got XFree86-SVGA-3.2.2 to work. :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 14:43:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11699 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19136; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:37:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18916; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18899; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA09988; Wed, 8 Jul 98 14:37:35 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <35A3BC6E.47762B13@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:37:34 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Reinstalling TP600 software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It is optional whether it reinstalls all partitions or just the C: partition. I can recommend PartitionMagic for such things. In particular, you don't have to destroy and recreate your C: partition. PartitionMagic can shrink the C: drive leaving you with space for Linux. I don't remember which version I've used, although I believe it is FAT32-aware. ThinkPads come with FAT16, not FAT32, so PartitionMagic should work. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 14:55:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11956 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20715; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:51:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20444; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20412; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081851.OAA20412@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 7 Jul 1988 11:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 08 Jul 98 11:51:21 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Reinstalling TP600 software Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Partition Magic 3 recognises FAT16, FAT32, HPFS, EXT2 and NTFS. It also includes the latest IBM boot manager that works with linux. It can also convert to and from FAT32 if you're into that sort of thing. My 600 came with FAT32, which lasted as long as it took to change it. On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:37:34 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >It is optional whether it reinstalls all partitions or just the C: >partition. > >I can recommend PartitionMagic for such things. In particular, you >don't have to destroy and recreate your C: partition. PartitionMagic >can shrink the C: drive leaving you with space for Linux. I don't >remember which version I've used, although I believe it is FAT32-aware. > >ThinkPads come with FAT16, not FAT32, so PartitionMagic should work. > >--Lee Hetherington > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 14:56:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11974 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20740; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:51:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20468; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (root@lohi.clinet.fi [194.100.0.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20422; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA18237 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:55:08 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199807081855.VAA18237@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:51:30 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807081721.NAA14675@panix5.panix.com> Subject: Re: 701C: network install of Warp4? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 at 01:23 PM you, Michael Cole , said: >Is it possible to get the TP logged onto a network to see the install >CDROM? I tried this for Warp Connect but could never get beyond an >invalid path error. I think what you want to do is a remote install. I have successfully installed Warp 3 Connect on my TP701 this way and I would imagine Warp 4 works the same way. What you need is a networked machine running Warp with a CDROM drive in it. With this machine you create 2 remote installation diskettes for your TP: in Warp Connect this is done by clicking on the "Warp Connect Remote Install" icon (in the "OS/2 Warp Connect Install/Remove" folder). When creating the diskettes, you need to tell the program which network card is in your TP. When you have the remote diskettes ready, you insert them in your TP, reboot and follow the procedure. Your TP should see the CDROM drive of your Warp machine and the install process should go on normally from there. As I said, it worked fine for me with Warp Connect. HTH, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 15:07:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12109 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21887; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:03:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21689; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21675; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA10122; Wed, 8 Jul 98 15:03:30 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <35A3C282.5910430C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:03:30 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress Cc: "Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com" , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Reinstalling TP600 software References: <199807081851.OAA20412@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Victor Kress wrote: > My 600 came with FAT32, which lasted as long as it took to change it. Interesting. I wasn't aware that hibernation worked with FAT32. The IBM web site isn't clear on this; they say that information on this will be "coming soon." --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 15:22:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12483 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22882; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:18:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22694; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22680; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (214.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.214]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA23949; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A3C643.29A98BED@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:19:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] memory (was: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity) References: <002601bdaa54$6d11cda0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David.. David Ross wrote: > Bill Morrow wrote: > > >but for now, i prefer to sell only good stuff.. > >that excludes simple technology and offshore manufacturers.. > > I suspect that even most 'Thinkpad Proven' memory gets assembled in Asia Apricorn uses SEC (korean) and Siemens (german) chips.. ALL design and assembly work is in the USA..GoldenRAM and Viking the same.. in fact Viking just built a huge plant here (well there, in california i think).. > (assuming that this is what you mean by 'offshore' - unless > you mean 'offshore' as in 'far away from the ocean', e.g. Micron's Utah factory). Utah is in the USA..want me to send a map..?? :-)) > I've never noticed that manufacturing quality > control in Japan and Korea is any worse than that in the US, and the current currency situation should mean that chips produced > there are a better value than domestic-branded chips, even at identical quality levels. > they are producing at below cost.. > >if the chip merchant has a good branded part, at a low price, then thats great.. if they are selling unbranded parts, stacked chips > or so > >on, then the $5 or $10 saved is not a real saving.. > > Agreed, though the $5-$10 is a bit of an underestimate. > > Right now Chipmerchant has a 64 meg chip (I don't know what brand if any) for the TP560 for $96. The closest I've seen for big-name > memory is about $140 for Viking - much higher for 'TP-proven' (Apricorn, Goldenram) chips. > Apricorn is tops, because they get all the sources for the bios and engineering specs on the various machines..GoldenRAM is IBM approved.. its a different level.. Viking is neither.. i don't know about PNY.. Apex (if they are still alive) is or was TP Proven.. IBM buys GoldenRAM and Apricorn and Apex and now Samsung (made in Korea) and resells these parts with TP's and other machines.. when i say offshore, i mean taiwan (not all bad, but some not good).. when i ship memory to eurpoe and elsewhere, i must put the mfg. country on the shipping docs.. so the source is important.. some european countries tax asian parts higher than USA mfg. parts.. > (BTW, I'm considering this chip for my plain-Jane P133 560, despite IBM's adamant note that this 560 model doesn't support 64 megs, > and the fact that several manufacturers - e.g., Viking, PNY, Goldenram - seem to agree. Am I right in assuming that the IBM claim > is eminently ignorable?) > yes..IBM tends to say whats available NOW and then later higher densityt chips make that info obsolete.. > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 15:35:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12784 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19374; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:38:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19011; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18979; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (214.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.214]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA11143; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A3BD10.67BF441D@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:40:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Cole CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C: network install of Warp4? References: <199807081721.NAA14675@panix5.panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Michael.. why not just copy all the load files to the HDD and then load from the HDD..? works just fine for windoze.. :-) Michael Cole wrote: > Hi all, > > I am thinking of installing Warp 4 on a 701C that is currently > running V3 (Warp Connect). > > Is it possible to get the TP logged onto a network to see the > install CDROM? I tried this for Warp Connect but could never get > beyond an invalid path error. > > Any pointers to resources, war stories, gotchas etc. appreciated > (I've looked at tpwarper's page on installing V4 - it seems to > imply a network install is doable without saying anything > specific.) > > TIA, > > Michael Cole > > Michael Cole > broccole@panix.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 16:03:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13354 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25969; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:59:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25225; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25160; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.135.14.36] (SoCal56k136.NetWiz.Net [208.135.14.36]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA32259 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:58:41 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35A307E1.E2BC14BD@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:50 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:47 PM -0700 7/7/98, Bill Morrow wrote: >i hate to start something, but i have never heard that rough handeling >will damage memory chips.. >cheap is cheap.. >if the stuff they sell is low profile and not stacked then it MAY be ok.. >or you MAY be lucky.. or both.. >the economics of it are simple.. >a good product will just cost more to engineer, design, produce, support, >etc. than a cheap product.. Except that memory is now a commodity with the price set entirely by the distribution channel and the market. As long as the vendor understands what I need, and stands behind the product, I don't care where the source is. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 16:39:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13952 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28698; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:32:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28326; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28303; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p16.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.253]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA09091 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:29:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807082029.NAA09091@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 08 Jul 98 13:32:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Lots of TRAPS with Home & Away/Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone experianced excessive TRAPs with their Home & Away on a ThinkPad 701 (or any ThinkPad for that matter) , and Warp 4? What about Warp 3? I'm considering going back, because networking seems easier as well. Thanks. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 16:57:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA14246 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29843; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:54:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29587; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from devmail.dev.tivoli.com (devmail.dev.tivoli.com [208.230.244.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29555; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tivoli.tivoli.com (tivoli.tivoli.com [146.84.1.5]) by devmail.dev.tivoli.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03116 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:53:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tivoli.com (ras-12-65.tivoli.com [146.84.12.65]) by tivoli.tivoli.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09843 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:52:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35A3DB6C.F579B14A@tivoli.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:49:48 -0500 From: zeek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: dual boot/dual disks: Thinkpad (760xl) and Linux LILO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings, I've been working on a problem (for about 2wks now) dealing with a Thinkpad 760xl and 2 disks, both 2.1Gb in size, the first disk (/dev/hda) is Linux (RH5.0), the second disk win95. Yet with the settings below I get "Invalid system disk Replace the disk, and then press any key" after selecting win95 at the LILO: prompt. This first led me to believe the boot block on /dev/hda was corrupt, but I am able to boot win95 (/dev/hdb) with /dev/hda physically removed. So I'm led to believe there's a >1024 cylinder problem here. In following the recommendations in adding "linear" to the lilo.conf I get the same error. In trying to specify the geometry, I get syntax errors when running lilo (it doesn't like those entries). Is it necessary that I understand everything about booting sequences and ide disks to get this working, or has someone already hacked a solution to this? BTW, I'm not sure if this has anything to do with a lack of LBA but I'm unable to choose that in the 760XL's bios (which is pathetically minimal). Thanks for any comments, -zeek(kevintkruzich) boot = /dev/hda # compact verbose=5 append = "ppa=0x3bc,1,6,0" # for zip drive prompt linear timeout=50 vga = normal # force sane state root = current # use "current" root image = /boot/vmlinuz label = linux other = /dev/hdb1 # table = /dev/hda label = win95 #disk = /dev/hdb1 # bios=0x81 # sectors=63 # heads=64 # cylinders=1024 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 18:10:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15524 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04521; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:06:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04239; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04162; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p16.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.253]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA19081; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807082201.PAA19081@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Michael Cole" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Jul 98 15:04:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C: network install of Warp4? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:40:16 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Michael.. >why not just copy all the load files to the HDD and then load from the >HDD..? >works just fine for windoze.. :-) Have you ever thought about how much trouble that is? Right now I'm having trouble with Warp 4's networking on my 701, and can't do this option on either Warp 3 OR Warp 4 to reinstall. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 18:12:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15546 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04731; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:08:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04360; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04299; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p16.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.253]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA19170; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:03:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807082203.PAA19170@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Jul 98 15:05:53 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C: network install of Warp4? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:51:30 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 at 01:23 PM you, Michael Cole , >said: > >>Is it possible to get the TP logged onto a network to see the install >>CDROM? I tried this for Warp Connect but could never get beyond an >>invalid path error. > >I think what you want to do is a remote install. I have successfully >installed Warp 3 Connect on my TP701 this way and I would imagine Warp 4 >works the same way. > >What you need is a networked machine running Warp with a CDROM drive in >it. With this machine you create 2 remote installation diskettes for your >TP: in Warp Connect this is done by clicking on the "Warp Connect Remote >Install" icon (in the "OS/2 Warp Connect Install/Remove" folder). When >creating the diskettes, you need to tell the program which network card is >in your TP. > >When you have the remote diskettes ready, you insert them in your TP, >reboot and follow the procedure. Your TP should see the CDROM drive of >your Warp machine and the install process should go on normally from >there. As I said, it worked fine for me with Warp Connect. I just did this last week on a 486SLC2-50 in the other room, and although it was pathetically slow, it worked up until it got to the Workplace Shell. On my ThinkPad, it doesn't work at all, so something is obviously not working right. :( -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 18:25:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15740 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05560; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:21:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05352; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05334; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 46.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.46]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980708222111.HROI7196@46.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:21:11 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Reinstalling TP600 software Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:21:31 GMT Message-ID: <35adf093.5572414@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199807081851.OAA20412@CS.UTK.EDU> <35A3C282.5910430C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <35A3C282.5910430C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:03:30 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >Victor Kress wrote: > >> My 600 came with FAT32, which lasted as long as it took to change it. > >Interesting. I wasn't aware that hibernation worked with FAT32. The = IBM >web site isn't clear on this; they say that information on this will be >"coming soon." My IBM 560 is older than the 600, and hibernate works fine on that with a FAT32 partition. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 21:07:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA18327 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11627; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:04:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11376; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11364; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-32-100-123-185.il.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-123-185.il.us.ibm.net [32.100.123.185]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA47226 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:03:59 GMT From: mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] memory (was: Re: [TP560x] intro/Linux/Neomagic/connectivity)] Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:04:30 -0500 Organization: IBM Global Networks Reply-To: mocek@ibm.net Message-ID: <35a416cb.4299620@smtp1.ibm.net> References: <9807081647.AA07879@aztec.asu.edu> In-Reply-To: <9807081647.AA07879@aztec.asu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:47:43 -0700 (MST), you wrote: > > >On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:16:06 GMT, you wrote: > > > > > > > >>>What's the address where you're seeing the $96? I've looked at > >>>www.chipmerchant.com and have only seen $199 for 64MB > > this is the URL of Memory World > =============================== > > $96 at THE Chip Merchant's URL: www.thechipmerchant.com > ========================================================= Yup - guess it would help if I looked in the right place. Thanks very much! -- Stan Mocek mocek@ibm.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 21:35:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA18748 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12963; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:33:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12764; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ecse.rpi.edu (root@ecse.rpi.edu [128.113.40.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12741; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ecse.rpi.edu (speed.ecse.rpi.edu [128.113.40.10]) by ecse.rpi.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25817 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807090132.VAA25817@ecse.rpi.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Problem adding new disk to 755CD from: wrf+tp@mab.ecse.rpi.edu Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:32:49 -0400 Sender: wrf@ecse.rpi.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm trying to add a new 5GB IBM hard drive to my 755CD thinkpad. Whenever I try to boot, it stops with an 174 error, which means disk configuration. How to I get into the program that reconfigures the BIOS for the new disk? I've tried easy setup, but it won't start with the new disk, but says 174. Booting with a boot floppy fails if the new drive is installed. I've held down many combos of keys while powering up. All give keyboard errors except F1. What's the magic code here? I've read the Thinkpad manual, many online sites, and the ontrack disk manager documentation, which IBM recs. No luck. Thanks. ------------------------ Wm. Randolph Franklin Associate Professor wrf+tp@mab.ecse.rpi.edu ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA (PGP key available) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 21:43:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA18949 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13523; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:41:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13392; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13372; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.136.10]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980709014048.EOXP20025@760>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:40:48 +0000 Message-ID: <35A41F6A.5489@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:39:54 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wrf+tp@mab.ecse.rpi.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problem adding new disk to 755CD References: <199807090132.VAA25817@ecse.rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What hard drive shell are you using? If is the old one from a less than 2.1GIG IBM, it won;t work. wrf+tp@mab.ecse.rpi.edu wrote: > > I'm trying to add a new 5GB IBM hard drive to my 755CD thinkpad. > Whenever I try to boot, it stops with an 174 error, which means > disk configuration. > > How to I get into the program that reconfigures the BIOS for the > new disk? I've tried easy setup, but it won't start with the new > disk, but says 174. > > Booting with a boot floppy fails if the new drive is installed. > > I've held down many combos of keys while powering up. All give > keyboard errors except F1. > > What's the magic code here? > > I've read the Thinkpad manual, many online sites, and the ontrack > disk manager documentation, which IBM recs. No luck. > > Thanks. > > ------------------------ > Wm. Randolph Franklin > Associate Professor > wrf+tp@mab.ecse.rpi.edu > ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA > (PGP key available) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 8 22:13:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19426 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14927; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:10:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14755; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14743; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from summit.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [207.22.43.6]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id WAA22103 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homer.msc.com by summit.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id sa000382 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:09:19 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980708220916.01e92620@mail> X-Sender: steve@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:09:16 -0400 To: ThinkPad List From: Steve Meisner Subject: [TP760ED] Docking / Undocking support Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone been successful at setting up a 760ED (with any OS other than OS/2 or Linux) to warm dock / undock with a Dock II docking station? I've tried Win/NT and 98 (according to the detailed instructions on IBM's web site) and docking still doesn't seem to work right. Any help / insight would be greatly appreciated!! Steve _______________________________________________________________________ Steve Meisner Meisner Software Consulting Office: 603-881-5316 Fax: 603-889-7921 Pager: 617-362-1184 (MA) 603-596-2344 (NH) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 9 02:29:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22657 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22782; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:27:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22645; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22633; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (141.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.141]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA08909; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A46308.CCB84F76@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 02:28:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wrf+tp@mab.ecse.rpi.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problem adding new disk to 755CD References: <199807090132.VAA25817@ecse.rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Surgery is required.. or a new HDD shell and cable/plug assembly.. wrf+tp@mab.ecse.rpi.edu wrote: > I'm trying to add a new 5GB IBM hard drive to my 755CD thinkpad. > Whenever I try to boot, it stops with an 174 error, which means > disk configuration. > > How to I get into the program that reconfigures the BIOS for the > new disk? I've tried easy setup, but it won't start with the new > disk, but says 174. > > Booting with a boot floppy fails if the new drive is installed. > > I've held down many combos of keys while powering up. All give > keyboard errors except F1. > > What's the magic code here? > > I've read the Thinkpad manual, many online sites, and the ontrack > disk manager documentation, which IBM recs. No luck. > > Thanks. > > ------------------------ > Wm. Randolph Franklin > Associate Professor > wrf+tp@mab.ecse.rpi.edu > ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA > (PGP key available) -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 9 02:56:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22898 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23774; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:54:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23633; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elsoft.ch ([195.134.130.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23621; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elsoft.ch (pcdm.elsoft.ch [195.134.130.116]) by elsoft.ch (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03173 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:54:09 +0200 Message-ID: <35A4684B.44D6C812@elsoft.ch> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:50:51 +0200 From: "David Müller" Reply-To: "David Müller" Organization: ELSOFT AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problem adding new disk to 755CD References: <199807090132.VAA25817@ecse.rpi.edu> <35A46308.CCB84F76@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill Morrow wrote: >=20 > Surgery is required.. > or a new HDD shell and cable/plug assembly.. Where do i get such a new HDD shell?? [Stuff deleted..] Dave --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- David M=FCller Tel: ++41-56-493 33 77 Software Engineer Fax: ++41-56-493 30 20 ELSOFT AG e-mail: dm@elsoft.ch T=E4fernstrasse 20 WWW: www.elsoft.ch CH-5405 Baden-D=E4ttwil -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 9 03:00:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22912 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24015; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:57:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23909; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.skyinet.net (NEWS.SKYINET.NET [206.101.197.231]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23849; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad-535e ([208.162.8.143]) by news.skyinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24968 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:57:00 +0800 (PST) From: "J. Carlos M. Sibal" To: Subject: thinkpad 535e users? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001401bdab6b$96481a40$8f08a2d0@thinkpad-535e> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone out there using a thinkpad 535e would really love to upgrade to Win98 but dont know which drivers to get from the Japanese Thinkpad website since its ...in Japanese. Carlos Manila From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 9 03:15:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA23057 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25201; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:12:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24956; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24943; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-14-157.swissonline.ch [194.209.14.157]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA25682 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:10:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807090710.JAA25682@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:11:34 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: Hanging at boot [755] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on my 755 CDV with Process Commander 1.0 My ThinkPad sometimes remains hung at boot time just before opening the War= pCenter; the wallpaper of the desktop is already present. Without changing anything, the boot process is succesfull at the second or = third trial. Any idea ? TIA Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions I'm running OS/2 because I want choice 07/09/98 09:09:35 Francois Hurter Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 9 07:44:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA25328 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08116; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:40:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07935; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07910; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-14-164.swissonline.ch [194.209.14.164]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA11890 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:38:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807091138.NAA11890@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:39:35 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: Difficutlies installing PCMCIA card [755] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running OS/2 Warp 4 FP5 on my 755 CDV. I am fighting since one month now to make an Adpatec 1460 SCSI PCMCIA card = working in my laptop in order to access a SCSI Epson scanner. And I do not succeed and do not know where is (are) the bug(s). Here my config.sys .. BASEDEV=3DOS2SCSI.DMD BASEDEV=3DAHA152X.ADD /V /A:0 .. BASEDEV=3DOS2ASPI.DMD /SHARE DEVICE=3DE:\OS2\TWAIN\CFM50\CFMASPI.SYS At boot time, the AHA152X.ADD detects my scanner correctly But I cannot get in contact with my scanner through any application. The PC Director card says that my PCMCIA card is working and that its statu= s is OK I have recently found that in "ThinkPad setup" - "Option Devices (ISA Devic= e setup)" nothing is defined and I feel that something should be there in order to have my card = working !!! Can anybody help me ? Do I have to define some informations about my PCMCIA= card there ? Which I/O, IRQ, MEMORY, DMA ? Many many thanks for help..... I hope to have my scanner running before Christmas...... Regards Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions I'm running OS/2 because I want choice 07/09/98 13:37:35 Francois Hurter Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 9 11:11:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28302 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20676; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:07:48 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20506; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id LAA03471; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp01.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28011; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 04:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-153.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-153.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.153]) by smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/890-MCMLXLVIII-04-24-SMTP-P) with SMTP id RAA05587; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:06:35 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: Cc: "J. Carlos M. Sibal" , scarter@hticn.com Subject: Re: thinkpad 535e users? Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:01:56 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <0jHp1cByzNEO092yn@hticn.com> References: <001401bdab6b$96481a40$8f08a2d0@thinkpad-535e> In-Reply-To: <001401bdab6b$96481a40$8f08a2d0@thinkpad-535e> Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In article <001401bdab6b$96481a40$8f08a2d0@thinkpad-535e>, Carlos in Manila wrote: >Anyone out there using a thinkpad 535e would really love to upgrade to Win98 >but dont know which drivers to get from the Japanese Thinkpad website since >its ...in Japanese. IBM Japan doesn't seem to have realesed any Windows 98 drivers for the 535E yet (probably because the 535x the a Japan-only model, and the Japanese version of Windows 98 isn't out yet). Once Win98J does come out, though, the place where any drivers for the 535E should appear is . -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD Be labz 9 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 9 11:15:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28350 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21058; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:12:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20746; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (root@lohi.clinet.fi [194.100.0.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20697; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA08877 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:15:31 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199807091515.SAA08877@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:11:46 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807091138.NAA11890@swissonline.ch> Subject: Re: Difficutlies installing PCMCIA card [755] X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 at 01:39 PM you, Francois Hurter , said: >I'm running OS/2 Warp 4 FP5 on my 755 CDV. >I am fighting since one month now to make an Adpatec 1460 SCSI PCMCIA >card working in my laptop in order to access a SCSI Epson scanner. Just an idea: why don't you try SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy)? In a minimalist configuration, you would only need to add 'DEVICE=aspirout.sys' to your CONFIG.SYS and to run FIND-SCANNER.EXE at the command prompt. If SANE can see your scanner, you know your problem is with the CFM TWAIN driver. You can find general information about SANE at http://www.mostang.com/sane/. There is a promising native OS/2 front end (PMSANE) which you can get at ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/graphics/scan/pmsan034.zip (you will also need the runtime package pmsanrun.zip, found in the same directory). I have been happily running SANE/2 and PMSANE with my HP ScanJet 5P. Best of all, it is free. HTH, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 9 18:38:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA09015 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16153; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:31:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15923; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phoenix.bcl.net (phoenix.bcl.net [199.3.14.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15911; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bcl.net (qui1-82.dialup.accessus.net [207.206.188.82]) by phoenix.bcl.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA21127 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:35:26 -0500 Message-ID: <35A544C2.E629EAD9@bcl.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:31:30 -0500 From: "Dennis E. Go, MD" Reply-To: drgo@bcl.net Organization: Quincy Medical Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Installing Warp 4 on a logical drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am trying to install Warp 4 on my TP 385XD. It installs fine if I have 2 primary partitions, one for Win95 and one for Warp. What I would like to have is Win95 on C: formatted as FAT32 and Warp 4 on logical drive D formatted as HPFS. (What I am assuming is that I then install the FAT 32 IFS on Warp, and read files on the Win95 partition) I tried various permutation of WIN95 Fdisk, Partition Magic, IBM Bootmanager, Partition Magic bootmanager and Warp 4 Fdisk. I can get bootmanager to show Primary partition C and logical partition D. However, Warp 4's Fdisk doesn't show a C or D, only a Win95 partition with no drive letter and a logical drive C! If I install Warp anyway, Warp stops booting with an error message that it can't find my HD. I even booted off diskettes and changed every reference to C: in the config.sys to D: but no joy. Before I spend any more time on this, has anyone done this and if so how? Thanks. Dennis E. Go, MD Quincy Medical Group From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 9 22:26:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13154 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22144; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:23:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22004; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [206.135.129.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21992; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA06940; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:41:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:41:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Amadei To: "Dennis E. Go, MD" cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Installing Warp 4 on a logical drive In-Reply-To: <35A544C2.E629EAD9@bcl.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Dennis E. Go, MD wrote: > What I would like to have is Win95 on C: formatted as FAT32 > and Warp 4 on logical drive D formatted as HPFS. (What I am assuming is > that I then install > the FAT 32 IFS on Warp, and read files on the Win95 partition) I'm not sure I would do this. The FAT32 IFS is still beta, I believe, so you could risk you data by writing to the Win32 partition. If I were you, I'd use a primary, and two logicals. The Primary for Win95, The first logical for Warp and the second logical for data (formatted as FAT, of course). > I tried various permutation of WIN95 Fdisk, Partition Magic, IBM > Bootmanager, Partition > Magic bootmanager and Warp 4 Fdisk. Use the IBM Boot Manager. > I can get bootmanager to show Primary partition C and logical partition > D. > However, Warp 4's Fdisk doesn't show a C or D, only a Win95 partition > with no drive letter > and a logical drive C! If I install Warp anyway, Warp stops booting with > an error message > that it can't find my HD. I even booted off diskettes and changed every > reference to C: in the > config.sys to D: but no joy. OS/2 cannot read FAT32. This is why OS/2's fdisk gives it no drive letter. Try using regular FAT for your Win95 partition. The reason OS/2 can't 'operate the harddrive' may be because you are trying to boot from a partition that extends beyond the 1023rd cylinder. Either do LBA or shrink your first two partitions. > Before I spend any more time on this, has anyone done this and if so > how? Yep. How? I usually don't put Warp on a logical unless I _have_ to... such is the case where I want a DOS/Win95/OS2 system with Boot Manager and some extended partitions. You can only have 4 primary partitions... DOS and Win95 are two, Boot Manager is one, and the logical partitions are in the fourth... In order to squeeze in OS/2 you need to use Dual Boot on a FAT drive (no No NO!!!) or OS/2 on a logical. OS/2 on a logical is no big deal... But in your case, you only want Warp and Win95, I would set both up on primary partitions... FAT32 for Win95, HPFS for Warp, on partitions of 400 MB each or less... Than set up the rest of you drive for logicals... which you format FAT for data and applications. ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 03:41:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA17510 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00943; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:39:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00819; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.hd.ibm.de (firewall.hd.ibm.de [192.101.197.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00807; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com by firewall.hd.ibm.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03/TWS 4.03.3-cherub) id AA25350; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:34:14 +0200 Received: from pool8.heidelbg.ibm.com (pool8.heidelbg.ibm.com [9.228.3.108]) by mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.4-mailserver) with ESMTP id JAA33752 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:38:06 +0200 (MSZ) Received: (from krumeich@localhost) by pool8.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.2-pool) id JAA73496; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:38:06 +0200 (MSZ) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:38:06 +0200 (MSZ) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dual boot/dual disks: Thinkpad (760xl) and Linux LILO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, (sorry about the lack of quotation -- I read the list in digest form) [Problems with booting WIn95 from a second HDD on a TP760] I guess that your problem is not ThinkPad specific. I encountered the same problem on my desktop PC a while back. I had Linux on /dev/sda and Win95 on /dev/sdb. I wouldn't load Windows either until I played around with the chain loader in LILO. As it's been a while and my home machine is a couple of hundred km away, I can't give you more exact help. I recommend that you read the LILO documentation on this and look for anything concerning the "chain loader". However, the howto was a bit outdated. I read it in February and the information was partly obsolete. I don't know whether this document has been updated. Hope it helps, Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 05:24:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA18468 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06938; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:20:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05957; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05776; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-14-178.swissonline.ch [194.209.14.178]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA24391 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:18:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807100918.LAA24391@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:17:48 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: Re: Difficutlies installing PCMCIA card [755] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "David Ross" Thu, 9 Jul 1998 1= 4:42:23 -1000 > Do you know for sure that your scanner supports the Adaptec 1460? Many SC= SI cards have > trouble with non-drive devices, and conversely many scanners are very pic= ky about what cards > will work with them. > I was only told that I should look for an Adaptec 1460 that support high ex= change rate. At boot time, the AHA152X.ADD driver recognizes correctly my scanner at SCS= I #id 6. It seems to me incredible that two years before the 21th century, one is un= able to simply use a scanner with a computer ..... Best regards and have a nice day Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions I'm running OS/2 because I want choice 07/10/98 11:08:11 Francois Hurter Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 07:36:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA19817 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07041; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:20:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05973; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05805; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-14-178.swissonline.ch [194.209.14.178]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA24418 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:18:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807100918.LAA24418@swissonline.ch> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:19:18 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Thu, 09 Jul 1998 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:15:27 -0= 400 (EDT) > Just an idea: why don't you try SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy)? In a > minimalist configuration, you would only need to add 'DEVICE=3Daspirout.s= ys' > to your CONFIG.SYS and to run FIND-SCANNER.EXE at the command prompt. If > SANE can see your scanner, you know your problem is with the CFM TWAIN > driver. Yes, and FIND-SCANNER sees my scanner but that is all... a few seconds late= r, SCANIMAGE says that it cannot detect any scanner....somedays I am not quite sure that I re= ally love computers. So I'm trying with other stuff like CFM Twain, but until now, no success to= report. So here again, how can I be sure that my SCSI stuff is working and that the= problem really hangs with the scanner ? TIA Regards Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions I'm running OS/2 because I want choice 07/10/98 11:14:33 Francois Hurter Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 11:57:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23777 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22910; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:49:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22534; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22517; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25944 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:50:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:46:36 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Roger Dodson's chart for old models? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm getting a used TP760E to go with my TP600 (it was getting lonely, I guess). Does anyone know where I could find an older version of Roger Dodson's superb information chart that might list models like this? The chart I have just lists the current models, not any discontinued ones. (If anyone happens to have a copy of an older chart handy, feel free to email it to me--but remember to *not* email it to the whole list. If you have a pointer to an ftp site or something, that would be great too--if you could, email it to me directly as well as the list.) Thanks! -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 12:09:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24034 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23762; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:04:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23539; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (root@marlin.nosc.mil [128.49.4.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23527; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dseaman (seaman.nosc.mil [128.49.190.51]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27505 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807101604.JAA27505@marlin.nosc.mil> X-Sender: dseaman@marlin.nosc.mil X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:04:17 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Derek Seaman Subject: 701 floppy replacement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know of a company that sells external floppy drive for a TP 701c? The one we have died on us. Derek L. Seaman, Engineer Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 SPAWAR System Center, San Diego dseaman@spawar.navy.mil Ph: (619) 553-6795 Fx: (619) 553-1133 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 12:25:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24510 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01137; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:21:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00956; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bravo.paradigm.com.tw (host130.2037717.gcn.net.tw [203.77.17.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00942; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bravo.paradigm.com.tw(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4825663D.005B653A ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:38:16 +0800 X-Lotus-FromDomain: PARADIGM From: "Eric Luijer" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <4825663D.005983FB.00@bravo.paradigm.com.tw> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:20:15 +0800 Subject: TP600 with NT shutdown problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My TP600 is installed with NT (I did that) and working really like a charm. I follows IBM's instructions and have all drivers etc loaded. The one thing that bugs me is that it won't power-off after shutdown. Instead, it is just restarting. After checking the NT newsgroups, the answer seems to be a customised HAL. Does anyone have a TP600 (or TP700 as they are similar) that does power off under NT? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 12:27:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24593 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01429; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:23:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01140; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01113; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25242; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:23:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.40]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA25234; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:23:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980710121519.00a9c100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:15:19 -0400 To: Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Roger Dodson's chart for old models? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:46 AM 7/10/98 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >I'm getting a used TP760E to go with my TP600 (it was getting lonely, I >guess). Does anyone know where I could find an older version of Roger >Dodson's superb information chart that might list models like this? The >chart I have just lists the current models, not any discontinued ones. > >(If anyone happens to have a copy of an older chart handy, feel free to >email it to me--but remember to *not* email it to the whole list. If >you have a pointer to an ftp site or something, that would be great too--if >you could, email it to me directly as well as the list.) > http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/bae6.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 12:31:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24682 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01788; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:27:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01569; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01531; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TEST (dyn-128-44.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.44]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA27553 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807101629.JAA27553@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:27:24 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807101604.JAA27505@marlin.nosc.mil> Subject: Re: 701 floppy replacement X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 b47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 07/10/98 Derek Seaman said: >Does anyone know of a company that sells external floppy drive for a TP >701c? The one we have died on us. Go to: http://bgm.bgmicro.com/scripts/bgminc.dll/display$COM1111 This is a dell labeled unit but several have said it is identical to the tp drive, except for the cable. So if you have your old cable, or can buy a new one for a reasonable price, this drive should work and is only $12.50. Vicky -- ___________________________________________________________ Vicky Stables, CPA stables@cnw.com ___________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 12:38:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24876 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02431; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:34:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02243; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02231; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27052 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:34:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.40]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27048 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:34:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980710122553.00a9a100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:25:53 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Off-topic: Roger Dodson's charts for desktops? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:46 AM 7/10/98 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >I'm getting a used TP760E to go with my TP600 (it was getting lonely, I >guess). Does anyone know where I could find an older version of Roger >Dodson's superb information chart that might list models like this? The >chart I have just lists the current models, not any discontinued ones. > Does anyone have a lead on the desktop versions of these charts? I know they do/did exist because I have a book full of outdated ones, but I can't seem to find them in the jungle of IBM's website. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 13:06:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25513 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04035; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:02:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03834; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03822; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807101702.NAA03822@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Sat, 9 Jul 1988 9:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 10:02:50 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: linux hibernation tp600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I know this has come up before on the list, but I have not seen a solution. I just wanted to check to see if there is one. I have been trying to get suspend and hibernation working under linux (Red Hat 5.1 distribution). In the past couple of weeks I have learned far more about linux than I have time for :). I have tried a kernel recompile win apm enabled for both the kernel and PCMCIA module. The best I can do is what I started with (but I have learned lots). On AC, I have suspend, but not hibernate. On battery, both suspend and hibernate lead to total and complete lockup (not a good thing with EXT2). I have seen newsgroup messages to the effect of "this is a tp600/770 problem with no solution". Is this the case? If so, I'll cut my losses and give up trying until someone who knows what they are doing takes interest in the problem, If nobody more competent than I has tackled this problem (come on..this is a challenge!), then I won't be able to resist poking at it. Save me! -Victor ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 13:26:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26143 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05033; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:22:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04782; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04757; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07176 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:23:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807101723.MAA07176@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:22:06 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Roger Dodson's chart for old models? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980710121519.00a9c100@pop.mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Got it! Thanks very, very much to Jane L and John C for the quick responses! -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 13:56:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26906 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06468; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:49:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06298; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06278; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10439 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:50:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807101750.MAA10439@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:49:27 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: 64Mb upgrade for 760E? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Insight sells an Admor 64Mb memory upgrade, the ADI64-760X, that they say works in the 760E. But Admor's site doesn't list that item as being compatible with the 760E. I wonder if anybody happens to have tried this module out? I searched back through the traffic on the list and found a mention of some 64Mb modules from Apricorn and others that might work, but it didn't say about the Admor (which is a lot cheaper ). Maybe I should just play it safe and get a pair of 32Mb's instead? (Replies directly to me in addition to the list would be appreciated, thanks.) -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 14:21:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27320 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08295; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:17:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07964; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box.hacom.nl (root@box.hacom.nl [193.67.233.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07939; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn113-amf.hacom.nl (dyn113-amf.hacom.nl [193.67.233.113]) by box.hacom.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28260 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:12:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199807101812.UAA28260@box.hacom.nl> From: "Arjen Meijer" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:02:38 -0200 Reply-To: "Arjen Meijer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Hanging at boot [755] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If you have also object desktop installed, make the tenhanced folder class the last class loaded. This is the easiest done by installing xfolder0.71. Arjen I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on my 755 CDV with Process Commander 1.0 My ThinkPad sometimes remains hung at boot time just before opening the War= pCenter; the wallpaper of the desktop is already present. Without changing anything, the boot process is succesfull at the second or = __________________________________________ Wie als Meijer geboren is, wordt nooit een kwartje. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 14:22:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27328 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08308; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:17:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07963; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box.hacom.nl (root@box.hacom.nl [193.67.233.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07938; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn113-amf.hacom.nl (dyn113-amf.hacom.nl [193.67.233.113]) by box.hacom.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28257 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:12:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199807101812.UAA28257@box.hacom.nl> From: "Arjen Meijer" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:59:35 -0200 Reply-To: "Arjen Meijer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Difficutlies installing PCMCIA card [755] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The scsi card uses IRQ 9. this is the same as a tokenring card. Reconfigure the irq's. Use rmview /irq to see the current irq's. That all. It is working on my machine [760ED] Arjen I'm running OS/2 Warp 4 FP5 on my 755 CDV. I am fighting since one month now to make an Adpatec 1460 SCSI PCMCIA card = working in my laptop in order to access a SCSI Epson scanner. And I do not succeed and do not know where is (are) the bug(s). Here my config.sys .. BASEDEV=3DOS2SCSI.DMD BASEDEV=3DAHA152X.ADD /V /A:0 .. BASEDEV=3DOS2ASPI.DMD /SHARE DEVICE=3DE:\OS2\TWAIN\CFM50\CFMASPI.SYS At boot time, the AHA152X.ADD detects my scanner correctly But I cannot get in contact with my scanner through any application. The PC Director card says that my PCMCIA card is working and that its statu= s is OK I have recently found that in "ThinkPad setup" - "Option Devices (ISA Devic= e setup)" nothing is defined and I feel that something should be there in order to have my card = working !!! Can anybody help me ? Do I have to define some informations about my PCMCIA= card there ? Which I/O, IRQ, MEMORY, DMA ? Many many thanks for help..... __________________________________________ Wie als Meijer geboren is, wordt nooit een kwartje. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 16:07:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29590 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14256; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:59:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13904; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13890; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA19466; Fri, 10 Jul 98 15:59:48 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <35A672B4.9C735239@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:59:48 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress Cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: linux hibernation tp600 References: <199807101702.NAA03822@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No solution so far as far as I know. Regarding your supposedly successful suspend on AC: I don't think it really suspended. I think it went into standby. I'll bet your machine was still running and would respond to incoming telnets etc. --Lee Hetherington PS: When experimenting with suspend/resume, it is a good idea to do something like sync; sync; sleep 2 right before a suspend/resume that is expected to fail. This keeps the upcoming fsck pretty happy. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 17:02:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA02075 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17315; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:57:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17150; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17138; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scansrv (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15035; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by scansrv (VPOP3) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:57:20 -0400 From: "Robert Briganti" To: "Vicky Stables" , Subject: Re: 701 floppy replacement Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:57:20 -0400 Message-ID: <067301bdac45$54816910$0100a8c0@p5-166x2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d - Registered to: LOMAX [DSI] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I believe the part numbers for the cables are: TP701 = PN 04H6916 TP560 = PN 39F2077 TP760 = PN 25H4879 They can be ordered from IBM = 800-388-7080 At that price, the cable will cost more than the drive but it is still a bargain. -----Original Message----- From: Vicky Stables To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 12:28 Subject: Re: 701 floppy replacement >On 07/10/98 Derek Seaman said: > >>Does anyone know of a company that sells external floppy drive for a TP >>701c? The one we have died on us. > >Go to: > >http://bgm.bgmicro.com/scripts/bgminc.dll/display$COM1111 > >This is a dell labeled unit but several have said it is identical to the >tp drive, except for the cable. So if you have your old cable, or can buy >a new one for a reasonable price, this drive should work and is only >$12.50. > >Vicky >-- >___________________________________________________________ > >Vicky Stables, CPA >stables@cnw.com >___________________________________________________________ > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 18:53:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07737 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21711; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:50:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21561; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (genepool@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21549; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA14374; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: 64Mb upgrade for 760E? To: Michael Geary cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807101750.MAA10439@rgate2.ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Michael Geary wrote: > I searched back through the traffic on the list and found a mention of some > 64Mb modules from Apricorn and others that might work, but it didn't say > about the Admor (which is a lot cheaper ). Check with Global, we bought a 64 MB upgrade for a 7?? a couple of weeks ago for ca. $114. Made by PNY. It has not been installed yet so I can't say if we had a pleasant purchase experience yet but I go along with the point of view that memory chips are commodities. HTH. Cheers, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 19:34:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09922 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22916; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:30:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22778; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from island.islandnet.com (island.islandnet.com [199.175.106.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22757; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by island.islandnet.com id m0yumOM-000FaFC for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Subscribe Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:13:39 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 10 21:19:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA15489 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25775; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25618; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25602; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA29560 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:15:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807110115.UAA29560@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:14:50 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: 64Mb upgrade for 760E? In-Reply-To: References: <199807101750.MAA10439@rgate2.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I wrote: >> I searched back through the traffic on the list and found a mention of some >> 64Mb modules from Apricorn and others that might work, but it didn't say >> about the Admor (which is a lot cheaper ). Jim Michael wrote: >Check with Global, we bought a 64 MB upgrade for a 7?? a couple of weeks >ago for ca. $114. Made by PNY. It has not been installed yet so I can't >say if we had a pleasant purchase experience yet but I go along with the >point of view that memory chips are commodities. HTH. I'm with you there, Jim. By and large, memory is memory. (There are exceptions, like the Admor module I bought for my Libretto that had chips on both sides. Only problem here was the Libretto only has room for chips on *one* side... ) The issue on the 760E memory turns out to probably be just a mistake on Insight's part. The 760E is not supposed to accept a 64K module at all, but apparently there are some expensive 64K modules that trick it into accepting them (Apricorn was one, I think). I called Admor and they said they don't have a 64K module that works in the 760E, and the one Insight lists is in error. So I'll just get a pair of 32Mb's, I think. It's interesting that the 760E doesn't have parallel and serial ports. I probably need to get a docking base for those. I don't think I'll complain, though: a P150 with 2Gb drive and a very fine 1024x768 TFT display for $1069? That's a bit less than the TP600 cost me... Just need to upgrade the RAM and figure out the port situation, and then I can throw out the last of my old tower case clunkers! -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 00:11:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA18926 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00999; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:08:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00846; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00832; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (slip129-37-241-201.wa.us.ibm.net [129.37.241.201]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA32936; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:08:26 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980710202654.03315598@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: johncal@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:26:54 -0700 To: Michael Geary From: John Callahan Subject: Re: 64Mb upgrade for 760E? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807101750.MAA10439@rgate2.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:49 AM 7/10/98 -0700, you wrote: >Insight sells an Admor 64Mb memory upgrade, the ADI64-760X, that they say >works in the 760E. But Admor's site doesn't list that item as being >compatible with the 760E. I wonder if anybody happens to have tried this >module out? > I recently got a 32MB module fro my 760E from THE Chip Merchant (www.thechipmerchant.com). $69, including 2-day shipping. Delivered as promised. Works fine. At that time I think the 64MB was $104. Probably cheaper now. >I searched back through the traffic on the list and found a mention of some >64Mb modules from Apricorn and others that might work, but it didn't say >about the Admor (which is a lot cheaper ). > >Maybe I should just play it safe and get a pair of 32Mb's instead? > >(Replies directly to me in addition to the list would be appreciated, thanks.) > >-Mike > >http://www.geary.com >mailto:mg@mg.to >ham:WJ6V > > ----- John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA Phone: (206) 282-7050 Web: http://www.itr.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 01:37:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20020 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02983; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:34:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02836; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02818; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (213.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.213]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA18370; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A6F9A8.DE8F41FC@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:35:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 64Mb upgrade for 760E? References: <199807101750.MAA10439@rgate2.ricochet.net> <199807110115.UAA29560@rgate2.ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Michael.. the 760E SHOULD have a serial and parallel port.. i never heard of one without these.. even a foreign model always has these.. where did this machine come from..?? :-) inquiring minds want to know.. Michael Geary wrote: > >I wrote: > > >> I searched back through the traffic on the list and found a mention of some > >> 64Mb modules from Apricorn and others that might work, but it didn't say > >> about the Admor (which is a lot cheaper ). > Apricorn makes a 32meg DIMM carrier for the 760E series..that and two 32meg DIMM's will give you 96megs.. that plus the 8 megs on the system board yeilds 104megs.. the 760E series does NOT support a 64meg DIMM.. the 560 and 760X and 765 series all support the 64meg DIMM.. (and of course the 770's, but that is (or should be) SDRAM)) > Jim Michael wrote: > > >Check with Global, we bought a 64 MB upgrade for a 7?? a couple of weeks > >ago for ca. $114. Made by PNY. It has not been installed yet so I can't > >say if we had a pleasant purchase experience yet but I go along with the > >point of view that memory chips are commodities. HTH. > > I'm with you there, Jim. By and large, memory is memory. (There are > exceptions, like the Admor module I bought for my Libretto that had chips > on both sides. Only problem here was the Libretto only has room for chips > on *one* side... ) > > The issue on the 760E memory turns out to probably be just a mistake on > Insight's part. The 760E is not supposed to accept a 64K module at all, but > apparently there are some expensive 64K modules that trick it into > accepting them (Apricorn was one, I think). I called Admor and they said > they don't have a 64K module that works in the 760E, and the one Insight > lists is in error. > > So I'll just get a pair of 32Mb's, I think. > > It's interesting that the 760E doesn't have parallel and serial ports. I > probably need to get a docking base for those. I don't think I'll complain, > though: a P150 with 2Gb drive and a very fine 1024x768 TFT display for > $1069? That's a bit less than the TP600 cost me... Just need to upgrade > the RAM and figure out the port situation, and then I can throw out the > last of my old tower case clunkers! > > -Mike > > http://www.geary.com > mailto:mg@mg.to > ham:WJ6V -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 02:57:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20900 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05037; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:53:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04804; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04791; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17256 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:54:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807110654.BAA17256@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:53:35 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: 64Mb upgrade for 760E? In-Reply-To: <35A6F9A8.DE8F41FC@icanect.net> References: <199807101750.MAA10439@rgate2.ricochet.net> <199807110115.UAA29560@rgate2.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:35 PM 7/10/98 , Bill Morrow wrote: >the 760E SHOULD have a serial and parallel port.. i never heard of one without >these.. even a foreign model always has these.. >where did this machine come from..?? :-) >inquiring minds want to know.. By golly, this thing *does* have serial and parallel ports after all. I thought I'd opened up all the doors, but I missed one detail: the whole back side flips open. All kinds of stuff under there! (I did find the little door in the back for the docking port, but it didn't occur to me that this little door might be part of a big door. Hey, my 600 doesn't have any big doors, just a lot of little ones... ) I got the machine from krazymark at www.interactiveportables.com. Nothing unusual about it, in fact, it's in very nice shape for a used machine. BTW, did you know they actually pay me to write programs? And many of you are running at this very moment code I wrote? You should be very scared right now... -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 04:57:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA22037 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09185; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:55:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09076; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09064; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-89.az.com (seawesta-89.az.com [204.201.18.89]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA01825 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807110853.BAA01825@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 02:07:50 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Shutdown on TP 365XD model 1E9 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I was wondering if anyone has the URL or the information on how to make the thinkpad shut totally off upon shutdown with OS/2 Warp 4.0? I have asked a close user group but no solutions were found. I've clicked on the Power option in the system setup but I could only view battery state, battery power left and the faucet icon. I've looked over what parts of IBM's think pad support page I could find looking for the solution. I did find the new bios upgrade for my thinkpad (which I applied). I have tried the power utility that came in warp and the one off the IBM web site for thinkpads. Neither offered it as an option. I appreciate any help/suggestion/solution/glare. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 05:25:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA22336 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 05:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14858; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 05:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 05:20:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13174; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 05:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13059; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 05:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA06431; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:20:41 -1000 Message-ID: <00b301bdacad$5596ae60$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: [TPall] Smurf, and more on memory Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:21:47 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu First, I want to apologize to anyone who responded to my post of 3 days ago re memory, and had a message to me bounce - our system here suffered a smurf attack, and was down for a long time. It also means I missed some mail myself; however, I did note Jim Michael quoting Michael Geary saying (re 760E memory): " about the Admor (which is a lot cheaper )". Last week, when I took a look for memory for my 560, I saw that Insight had a 64meg Admor DIMM for $105. 4 days ago I looked again and it was $130. Anybody know which way memory prices are heading nowadays? I was hoping to be able to report in this email what brand chip thechipmerchant was selling for the 560. However, it will have to wait until Monday, thanks to a not atypical screwup at FedEx. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 07:14:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA23271 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16857; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:10:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16653; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16640; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id MAA006.81; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:10:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199807111110.MAA006.81@bradnet> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 12:10:32 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: booting from PCMCIA hard disk To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've just got a couple of 105MB Maxtor PCMCIA hard drive, and thought it would be useful to have a bootable OS installed for support purposes... BOOTOS2 installs a minimal version of OS/2 on the drive but when I try to boot I get:- OS/2 !! SYS0205 OS/2 !! SYS0207 Not sure whether I'm trying to do something impossible here or maybe have missed out as essential step. How do I go about trying to boot DOS? -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 08:44:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24136 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19393; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:39:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19001; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18988; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:39:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a42.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.42]) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16536 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807111239.IAA16536@pike.sover.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 07:32:52 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600 with 6.1 gig HD? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone seen a TP 600 with the new 6.1 hard drives anywhere? --I've seen the drives listed for $1300, but no machines with them yet, and that is the one I wanted to get. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 08:49:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24205 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19397; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:39:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19029; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19017; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a42.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.42]) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16548; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807111239.IAA16548@pike.sover.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 07:25:29 -0400 To: "LightSide" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" In-Reply-To: <199807110853.BAA01825@lucy.az.com> Subject: Re: Shutdown on TP 365XD model 1E9 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I can't answer your question, but if the concern is battery usage, I've noticed that my old 560 only uses around 2% of the battery reserve when it is suspended (I close the lid) for 8 or 12 hours. My memory is foggy (I have Sometimers - Sometimes I remember, sometimes I don't), but I think I noticed that the suspended usage when booted in DOS was higher. I've never set the machine to hibernate, so I don't know what the useage is for that. I'd rather have "instant on" then wait when I want it. >I was wondering if anyone has the URL or the information on how to make >the thinkpad shut totally off upon shutdown with OS/2 Warp 4.0? I have >asked a close user group but no solutions were found. >I've clicked on the Power option in the system setup but I could only >view battery state, battery power left and the faucet icon. I've looked >over what parts of IBM's think pad support page I could find looking for >the solution. I did find the new bios upgrade for my thinkpad (which I >applied). I have tried the power utility that came in warp and the one >off the IBM web site for thinkpads. Neither offered it as an option. >I appreciate any help/suggestion/solution/glare. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 11:13:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26177 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22320; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:11:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22199; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22182; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TEST (dyn-128-37.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.37]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA27935 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807111512.IAA27935@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:10:52 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807111239.IAA16548@pike.sover.net> Subject: Re: Shutdown on TP 365XD model 1E9 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 b47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert, I'll second this idea. Our Thinkpad is rebooted perhaps every six months. Instant on is very nice and I have never noticed any appreciable battery drain with the lid closed, even if left that way for days. On 07/11/98 said: >I can't answer your question, but if the concern is battery usage, I've >noticed that my old 560 only uses around 2% of the battery reserve when >it is suspended (I close the lid) for 8 or 12 hours. >My memory is foggy (I have Sometimers - Sometimes I remember, sometimes I >don't), but I think I noticed that the suspended usage when booted in DOS >was higher. >I've never set the machine to hibernate, so I don't know what the useage >is for that. I'd rather have "instant on" then wait when I want it. Vicky -- ___________________________________________________________ Vicky Stables, CPA stables@cnw.com ___________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 13:41:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29617 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26178; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:36:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25921; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haifa ([208.240.192.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25909; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heb2.royl.com ( [208.242.74.21] ) by haifa (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:40:04 +0000 Message-Id: <199807111040.0435336.6@haifa> From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:36:37 +0800 Reply-To: "Stephen Hosmer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.0150 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199806261404.KAA01970@water.waterw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 770 modem question... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 115.2k is only an indication of the speed between the system bus and the modem hardware. On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:09:44 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >The 115.2K connection speed indication is not an error but an accurate report >of the connection speed between you and your ISP based on the hardware or >software compression capability of your modem. ________________________________ Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ:ROYL) Stephen Hosmer (hosmer@royl.com) CFO To request a Public key send a message with "send Public key" as subject. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 14:06:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29865 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26925; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:02:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26708; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26687; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg134-042.ricochet.net [204.179.134.42]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01847; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004701bdacf6$2c6e2470$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Michael Geary" Subject: Re: 64Mb upgrade for 760E? Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:03:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >BTW, did you know they actually pay me to write programs? And many of you >are running at this very moment code I wrote? You should be very scared >right now... > >-Mike Yes I knew that. What is even more scary is that people pay for my code too. Mike taught me some stuff but I still don't really understand a lot of it. My first home was the Macintosh. What the list doesn't know about Mike, is that he REALLY IS a software legend. He even gets mentioned in Matt Pietrek's books Windows Internals and Undocumented Windows. Both are well recommended for lightweight bedtime reading! David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 14:34:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00299 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27657; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:32:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27540; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27528; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11188 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:32:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807111832.NAA11188@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:31:50 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: 64Mb upgrade for 760E? In-Reply-To: <35A6F9A8.DE8F41FC@icanect.net> References: <199807101750.MAA10439@rgate2.ricochet.net> <199807110115.UAA29560@rgate2.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:35 PM 7/10/98 , Bill Morrow wrote: >Apricorn makes a 32meg DIMM carrier for the 760E series..that and two 32meg DIMM's >will give you 96megs.. >that plus the 8 megs on the system board yeilds 104megs.. > >the 760E series does NOT support a 64meg DIMM.. > >the 560 and 760X and 765 series all support the 64meg DIMM.. >(and of course the 770's, but that is (or should be) SDRAM)) Righto, that all makes sense now. My confusion was due to an error on Insight's part, where they list the 64Mb DIMM as compatible with the 760E. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 15:05:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00646 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28688; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:03:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28560; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28501; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:02:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 9IUDa12330; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9b18c8f6.35a7b674@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:01:07 EDT To: mg@mg.to, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (was) 64Mb upgrade for 760E? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>BTW, did you know they actually pay me to write programs? And many of you >>are running at this very moment code I wrote? You should be very scared >>right now... >> >>-Mike >What the list doesn't know about Mike, is that he REALLY IS a software legend. Mike, My hard disk has been thrashing a lot when I'm online. Should I be concerned, or is that just you perusing my collection of swimsuit gifs? Kevin P.S. :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 15:16:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00779 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29201; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:13:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29028; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (qmailr@airbus.mayn.de [194.95.209.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29013; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9864 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1998 19:15:03 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.95.209.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 19:15:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 27699 invoked by uid 5); 11 Jul 1998 19:11:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19980711191112.27698.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from bedrock.mayn.de by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:58:58 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 16:58:58 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Q: TP770: Which one is best? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! I want to buy a 770 with large disk (8.1G) and screen (14.1"), but I'd prefer to have a 56k MWave Modem built in. As far as I can see from IBM's Web pages, there's no such model available. Is this correct? What about models with Win95 preinstalled (and not NT4) - is there anything missing that I'd need to run NT? Are there any PCMCIA combo cards available that provide ISDN, 56k and GSM and come with DOS/Win31 and NT4 drivers? --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 16:51:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA02060 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01424; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:48:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01287; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01275; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA07336; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:48:36 -1000 Message-ID: <001a01bdad0d$70e55620$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "LightSide" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Shutdown on TP 365XD model 1E9 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:49:45 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I've never set the machine to hibernate, so I don't know what the useage >is for that. 'Hibernate' saves a memory image then turns the machine all the way off, so memory usage is zero. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 19:12:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03555 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05216; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:09:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05043; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.kconline.com (kconline.com [207.51.167.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05031; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ann (ts1-10.bourbon.hoosierlink.net [208.154.68.230]) by mail.kconline.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA15964 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:09:48 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Ann Harrell" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: 701CS Dock Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:12:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01bdad21$51012f00$e5449ad0@ann.hoosierlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01bdad0d$70e55620$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've never used my docking station but I would like to use it now to connect to a Casio E-10 WinCE palmtop. I have Win98 installed. I'm not using the internal modem, but a PCMCIA card modem and I also have a network PCMCIA card installed. I've never used the IR so I don't know if it works. In Device manager under Ports I have Communications Port with a !!!!! IBM THinkpad IR (COM2) Printer Port (LPT 1) Printer Port (LPT 2) Oh.. WinCE Services didn't detect the Casio on any serial or other wise Any suggestions on where to start? ann@hoosierlink.net Mind like a steel trap.. Rusty and illegal in 37 states. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 19:41:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03859 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05941; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:38:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05827; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osh5.datasync.com (root@osh5.datasync.com [205.216.82.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05814; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brianb (osp93.datasync.com [208.132.74.127]) by osh5.datasync.com (8.8.8/Datasync) with SMTP id SAA14146 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:38:22 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:41:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01BDAB69.36B6B020.Brianb@datasync.com> From: Brian Bream Reply-To: "Brianb@datasync.com" To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Thinkpad 701 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:40:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 11 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just inherited a ThinkPad 701. Unfortunately if didn't come with any of the cables, manuals, or even a floppy drive. I searched the internet and am finding the cost of a floppy drive about 150.00 and printer cables for 45.00 I looked in the computer shopper and saw a whole system advertised for only 595.00. My question.... Did I receive a nice paper weight or is there a used outlet somewhere that I can find these items at a cheaper price ? Thanks for any and all help Brian Bream Brianb@datasync.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 20:50:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04902 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07586; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:48:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07484; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (Viola.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07472; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-21 #9830) id <01IZA5VV1DC095MRZ5@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:48:08 MST Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:38:04 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: [TPall] Smurf, and more on memory In-reply-to: "Message dated Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:21:47 -1000" <00b301bdacad$5596ae60$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IZA747KA7U95MRZ5@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Admor (which is a lot cheaper )". They're an ok company. I bought a 16MB card from them, it made Netscape crash even though it passed everyone's tests so they sent me a new one without ever charging me even though I still had the old one when the new one arrived - this after CODing the first one (they had no credit card number for me) as at the time I had no idea about what kind of people they might be... > Anybody know which way memory prices are heading nowadays? As long as Asia is in economic trouble (few more months at least) I don't see how they can go up. I paid $200 for 16MB more than a year ago, then I got a 32MB card more recently for just $175 and I'd guess it's all even cheaper now. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 21:09:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05134 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08229; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:07:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08093; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08081; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.10]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980712010659.FRYA17002@760>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:06:59 +0000 Message-ID: <35A80BF7.CDB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:05:59 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: billy@MIX.COM CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] Smurf, and more on memory References: <01IZA747KA7U95MRZ5@Opus1.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu HA! I bought a 32MB DIMM for the 760ED today for $45.00 billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > > Admor (which is a lot cheaper )". > > They're an ok company. I bought a 16MB card from them, it made > Netscape crash even though it passed everyone's tests so they > sent me a new one without ever charging me even though I still > had the old one when the new one arrived - this after CODing > the first one (they had no credit card number for me) as at the > time I had no idea about what kind of people they might be... > > > Anybody know which way memory prices are heading nowadays? > > As long as Asia is in economic trouble (few more months at > least) I don't see how they can go up. I paid $200 for 16MB > more than a year ago, then I got a 32MB card more recently > for just $175 and I'd guess it's all even cheaper now. > > Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 22:03:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05886 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09487; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09357; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09345; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:00:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-148-50.on.ca.ibm.net [129.37.148.50]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA33480 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:00:52 GMT Message-ID: <35A818F4.A8411720@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:01:24 -0400 Reply-To: rdsims@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP770-128 Mb SO-DIMM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anybody know if these are available yet? Just returned from Toronto Comdex and all the memory vendors looked at me kinda when I mentioned it...claimed there wern't no such animal.. I stuck a 64Mb in one slot, but I'd like to get my hands on a 128 for the 2nd one. Any whispers of who might be producing them and when? Any and all help appreciated. Tks. Regards Dave Sims From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 11 23:46:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07334 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12223; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:43:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12042; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12030; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ljmason9 (detshiva8-121.flash.net [208.194.217.121]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15091 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:43:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807120343.WAA15091@endeavor.flash.net> X-Sender: ljmason9@pop.flash.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:42:49 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "L. J. Mason" Subject: Help for Hard disk recovery In-Reply-To: <199807110654.BAA17256@rgate2.ricochet.net> References: <35A6F9A8.DE8F41FC@icanect.net> <199807101750.MAA10439@rgate2.ricochet.net> <199807110115.UAA29560@rgate2.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I trashed my 365xd with 4 oz of water and now the system won' t boot. I believe I shorted out the motherboard so I have removed the hard drive and now i need to get the data off it. Can I install this hard disk into another notebook or must it be an IBM? Does it need to be from the 365 series or could I get a 385 or 600 series. I know that the 700 series allows a second disk drive. Would that work? If anyone has any knowledge on solving this problem or who I might contact at IBM to find out ... the local reseller is a turkey. Thanks in advance, L.J. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 01:29:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA08906 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15788; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:25:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15665; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15653; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holly.ColoState.EDU (holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.76]) by eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id XAA32000 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Roco (ts2201.SLIP.ColoState.EDU [129.82.192.69]) by holly.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id XAA97806 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:25:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000701bdad55$6b738480$45c05281@Roco.colotate.edu> From: "cstaszak" To: "Thinkpad list" Subject: Cleaning palmrest on TP600 ( or any Thinkpad) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:25:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDAD23.1FCC8680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDAD23.1FCC8680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI, What does anyone use to clean the palmrest, and plastic on a Thinkpad. = I'm thinking of a TP600. Glass Plus leaves a smudgy look behind, as does Read Right cleaning = pads. Does anyone have the magic ticket? How about the screens? Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDAD23.1FCC8680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI,
 
What does anyone use to clean the = palmrest, and=20 plastic on a Thinkpad. I'm thinking of a TP600.
 
Glass Plus leaves a smudgy look = behind, as does=20 Read Right cleaning pads.
 
Does anyone have the magic ticket?
 
How about the screens?
 
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDAD23.1FCC8680-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 01:36:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA08970 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16188; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:34:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16066; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16035; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (238.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.238]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA19354; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A84B4B.D397E26D@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:36:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: [TPall] Smurf, and more on memory References: <00b301bdacad$5596ae60$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Apricorn raised the price of their thinkpad proven 64meg part for the 560/760X et al.. though korean mfg.'s are trying to raise prices, they may not succeed.. $130 is a good price for a 64meg part.. it is probably viking... insight gets a terrific deal from viking buy buying 1000's of parts.. that price is well below my cost on that part David Ross wrote: > First, I want to apologize to anyone who responded to my post of 3 days ago re memory, and had a message to me bounce - our system > here suffered a smurf attack, and was down for a long time. > > It also means I missed some mail myself; however, I did note Jim Michael quoting Michael Geary saying (re 760E memory): " about the > Admor (which is a lot cheaper )". Last week, when I took a look for memory for my 560, I saw that Insight had a 64meg Admor DIMM > for $105. 4 days ago I looked again and it was $130. Anybody know which way memory prices are heading nowadays? > > I was hoping to be able to report in this email what brand chip thechipmerchant was selling for the 560. However, it will have to > wait until Monday, thanks to a not atypical screwup at FedEx. > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 01:39:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09002 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16513; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:37:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16280; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16228; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (238.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.238]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA19604; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A84BCE.AA3119CD@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:38:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Shutdown on TP 365XD model 1E9 References: <199807110853.BAA01825@lucy.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try this site for OS/2 and NT4 support.. http://www.tpwarper.com/#InstallTP LightSide wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone has the URL or the information on how to make the thinkpad shut totally off upon > shutdown with OS/2 Warp 4.0? I have asked a close user group but no solutions were found. > > I've clicked on the Power option in the system setup but I could only view battery state, battery power left and > the faucet icon. I've looked over what parts of IBM's think pad support page I could find looking for the > solution. I did find the new bios upgrade for my thinkpad (which I applied). I have tried the power utility that > came in warp and the one off the IBM web site for thinkpads. Neither offered it as an option. > > I appreciate any help/suggestion/solution/glare. > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 01:41:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09014 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16737; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:38:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16401; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16370; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (238.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.238]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA19794; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A84C42.D4D50623@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:40:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Feuerstein CC: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Q: TP770: Which one is best? References: <19980711191112.27698.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Rainer.. you want the 770ED (9549-5AU) Rainer Feuerstein wrote: > Hi! > > I want to buy a 770 with large disk (8.1G) and screen (14.1"), but I'd prefer to have > a 56k MWave Modem built in. As far as I can see from IBM's Web pages, there's no such > model available. Is this correct? > What about models with Win95 preinstalled (and not NT4) - is there anything missing > that I'd need to run NT? > > Are there any PCMCIA combo cards available that provide ISDN, 56k and GSM and come > with DOS/Win31 and NT4 drivers? > > --- > kind regards, > Rainer Feuerstein -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 01:48:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09123 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17332; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:46:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17209; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17195; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (238.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.238]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA20508; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A84DF0.8B04FE12@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:47:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rdsims@ibm.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP770-128 Mb SO-DIMM References: <35A818F4.A8411720@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Apricorn has had a 128meg DIMM listed in my price list for a month.. BUT, if they DO actually exist and if they'll sell one, it is EDO, not SDRAM.. and its very expensive.. rdsims@ibm.net wrote: > Anybody know if these are available yet? Just returned from Toronto > Comdex and all the memory vendors looked at me kinda when I mentioned > it...claimed there wern't no such animal.. > > I stuck a 64Mb in one slot, but I'd like to get my hands on a 128 for > the 2nd one. > > Any whispers of who might be producing them and when? > > Any and all help appreciated. Tks. > > Regards > > Dave Sims -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 01:52:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09162 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17617; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:49:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17431; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17419; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (238.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.238]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA21023; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A84EDA.C364E69C@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:51:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "L. J. Mason" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery References: <35A6F9A8.DE8F41FC@icanect.net> <199807101750.MAA10439@rgate2.ricochet.net> <199807110115.UAA29560@rgate2.ricochet.net> <199807120343.WAA15091@endeavor.flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear LJ.. the drive can be used in any machine.. >from a TP 750 to a 770ED.. or most other laptops.. also, with the appropriate adapter, in a desktop.. if you tell me what you have in the way of hardware, i'll tell you how to get the drive mounted and the data off.. also, you should use the same OS.. L. J. Mason wrote: > I trashed my 365xd with 4 oz of water and now the system won' t boot. I > believe I shorted out the motherboard so I have removed the hard drive > and now i need to get the data off it. Can I install this hard disk > into another notebook or must it be an IBM? Does it need to be from the > 365 series or could I get a 385 or 600 series. I know that the 700 > series allows a second disk drive. Would that work? If anyone has any > knowledge on solving this problem or who I might contact at IBM to find out > ... > the local reseller is a turkey. > > Thanks in advance, L.J. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 01:55:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09195 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17971; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:52:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17702; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17670; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (238.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.238]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA21338; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A84F77.39746D84@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:54:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cstaszak CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: Cleaning palmrest on TP600 ( or any Thinkpad) References: <000701bdad55$6b738480$45c05281@Roco.colotate.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2413F47D9F30C0EAC0FE5370" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --------------2413F47D9F30C0EAC0FE5370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Supposedly, isopropyl alchol and water.. use a light application on a soft cotton lint free cloth.. then wipe the display or palm rest.. personally, i use windex.. :-) cstaszak wrote: > HI, What does anyone use to clean the palmrest, and plastic on a > Thinkpad. I'm thinking of a TP600. Glass Plus leaves a smudgy look > behind, as does Read Right cleaning pads. Does anyone have the magic > ticket? How about the screens? Chris -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 --------------2413F47D9F30C0EAC0FE5370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Supposedly, isopropyl alchol and water.. use a light application on a soft cotton lint free cloth.. then wipe the display or palm rest..

personally, i use windex..  :-)

cstaszak wrote:

 HI, What does anyone use to clean the palmrest, and plastic on a Thinkpad. I'm thinking of a TP600. Glass Plus leaves a smudgy look behind, as does Read Right cleaning pads. Does anyone have the magic ticket? How about the screens? Chris
 

--
Happy Trails...   :-)
** Bill Morrow **
WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com
DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe
bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com
770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad
Win95B & Win98-RC2
  --------------2413F47D9F30C0EAC0FE5370-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 02:50:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09998 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19437; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:47:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19308; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19295; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p16.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.150]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01206; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807120641.XAA01206@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "L. J. Mason" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 23:46:47 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:42:49 -0400, L. J. Mason wrote: >I trashed my 365xd with 4 oz of water and now the system won' t boot. I >believe I shorted out the motherboard so I have removed the hard drive >and now i need to get the data off it. Can I install this hard disk >into another notebook or must it be an IBM? Does it need to be from the >365 series or could I get a 385 or 600 series. I know that the 700 >series allows a second disk drive. Would that work? If anyone has any >knowledge on solving this problem or who I might contact at IBM to find out You can use it with a desktop even so long as you have the 2.5" -> 3.5" IDE adapter. In fact, sometime in the next week, I'm going to do a recovery of my bad partition on my 701, and install from scratch this way. BTW, what are you doing with the dead machine? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 02:53:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10017 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19866; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:50:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19511; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19476; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p16.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.150]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01308; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807120643.XAA01308@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "cstaszak" Cc: "Thinkpad list" Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 23:48:30 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cleaning palmrest on TP600 ( or any Thinkpad) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:54:00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Supposedly, isopropyl alchol and water.. use a light application on a >soft cotton lint free cloth.. then wipe the display or palm rest.. > >personally, i use windex.. :-) Same here, and never notice any problems. Which come to think of it, it's time to clean my 3 ThinkPads and 3 Pentiums with Windex now... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 04:17:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA11293 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 04:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23456; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 04:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 04:15:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23132; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 04:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23109; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 04:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA08352; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:14:49 -1000 Message-ID: <00a801bdad6d$4fee4de0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: [TPall] Smurf, and more on memory Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:15:57 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >$130 is a good price for a 64meg part.. it is probably viking... Actually, it was Admor, though I've seen the Viking for $140. I guess I was shocked that it had jumped almost $30 in a week. Of course, all these prices for 64 megs of ram are absurdly low. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 04:28:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA11401 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 04:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20070; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:50:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19562; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19550; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p16.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.150]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01493; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807120645.XAA01493@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "W.J. Mencarow (The Paper Source, Inc.)" Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 23:49:48 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 CS external floppy drive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:00:57 -0500, W.J. Mencarow (The Paper Source, Inc.) wrote: >Greetings, > >I'm looking for an external 3.5" floppy drive for my 701CS (I've misplaced mine). I've searched all over the Web, called cos, nothing, except my local VAR says he can get me one...for $185. At that price I'd rather I'll buy another >701CS with an external f.d. > >Do you know of any sources for the f.d., or good sources of used 701CS? This was copied from a previous email: Return-Path: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-admin.loop.com [10.130.131.130]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA10914; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02965; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01734; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:27:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01569; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01531; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TEST (dyn-128-44.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.44]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA27553 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807101629.JAA27553@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:27:24 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807101604.JAA27505@marlin.nosc.mil> Subject: Re: 701 floppy replacement X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 b47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu X-UIDL: 76372a5ee74dceaaee4612d56a5c7de1 Status: RO On 07/10/98 Derek Seaman said: >Does anyone know of a company that sells external floppy drive for a TP >701c? The one we have died on us. Go to: http://bgm.bgmicro.com/scripts/bgminc.dll/display$COM1111 This is a dell labeled unit but several have said it is identical to the tp drive, except for the cable. So if you have your old cable, or can buy a new one for a reasonable price, this drive should work and is only $12.50. Vicky -- ___________________________________________________________ Vicky Stables, CPA stables@cnw.com ___________________________________________________________ -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 06:29:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA12423 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00529; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:27:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00419; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00407; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id LAA003.85; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:17:58 +0100 Message-Id: <199807121017.LAA003.85@bradnet> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 11:17:57 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: PCMCIA & OS/2 info To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can anyone suggest a good source for info on using PCMCIA under OS/2? I'm using PCMCIA cards on a TP760C but I don't my questions are related to ThinkPads specifically so won't really be on topic here... -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 08:27:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13373 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02593; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:24:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02473; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02461; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:24:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a66.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.66]) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA27360; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807121224.IAA27360@pike.sover.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 08:17:50 -0400 To: John Poltorak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807121017.LAA003.85@bradnet> Subject: Re: PCMCIA & OS/2 info X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Can anyone suggest a good source for info on using PCMCIA under OS/2? http://warpedthinkpad.simplenet.com/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 11:40:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15266 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05544; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:38:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05446; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05434; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:37:31 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (hdn104-001.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.106.1]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id LAA15218; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980712113444.0080be70@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:34:44 -0400 To: "Rainer Feuerstein" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Q: TP770: Which one is best? Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" In-Reply-To: <19980711191112.27698.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 04:58 PM 7/11/98 +0100, Rainer Feuerstein wrote: >I'd prefer to have a 56k MWave Modem built in. Speaking as the owner of two Mwave modems (one on an ISA card and one in a TP 755CE), I believe that you are mistaken. Instead, get a PCMCIA modem. I've had good luck with those from Megahertz. I'm currently using the XJEM3336 that combines 10 Mbps Ethernet with the V.34bis modem. They've got newer cards with V.90 modems. I believe that one of them also has 10/100 Mbps Ethernet. I have not personally tried any of the newer cards, but the couple I have used are quite reliable, even with the POS phone company they've got in New Jersey. (I get better connections dialing long distance to Chicago with my Sam's Club pre-paid phone card than I get with local connections.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED, available from keyservers iQEVAwUBNajXdeukCaFXG1W9AQGitQf/TrNUrOvARPcF8v6ON35YinOIKQOh/xee jM3V2j/KoqBMUaChVjLW8kyVSbccMnwHfoRJYe05Raykq9yLLTGG77RPfUUARvau 3mV7yvVb1mu1MFWFOjH+1VNCpsAdgronqI1QbsQLlrIs93iF9bn5f/nnAugQd9fl 9cPTW6u25H9VC8m//Q9tpd3Hw2xAbfNr+E3DSzysYpkCdUaZ/VrA/t7Op1FRq6H+ xg+iSqzamTrPzqKYohr06o+ul9yNoO+/PWfv2bEEDRWlpXq7LmHz1/DFpKCk66JS KyLMNXNS2auVeLxVRgPdbM8fQfNKatXyTMylc7RIbyERjPVo7D/pIA== =iWT1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 12:46:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15957 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07858; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:43:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07741; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07729; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node5.unix.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa19112; 12 Jul 98 12:43 EDT Received: (from jlh2r@localhost) by node5.unix.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) id MAA26986 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:43:45 -0400 From: John-Lee Pratt Holmes Message-Id: <199807121643.MAA26986@node5.unix.Virginia.EDU> Subject: Thinkpad 355 pcmcia slot To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:43:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" at Jul 12, 98 12:17:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have an old thinkpad 355 and I would like to receive Real Audio: can I put two cards, a sound card and a modem card, in the pcmcia slot to the right of the machine? I.e. does this slot allow room for only one or two cards? Am I the last thinkpad 355 owner in the world? Am I the last of those last to try to upgrade this machine for sound and internet speed? I hope not. Thanks for any input. jlph -- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 13:54:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16663 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09372; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:50:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09261; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09249; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807121750.NAA09249@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Mon, 11 Jul 1988 10:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "L. J. Mason" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 10:50:42 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A while back I related my disaster spilling wine into my 750. The hard drive is sealed, so a little water probably didn't damage it. Waht I did was completely dissebble the TP (using instructions from the web page). I then washed each part in distilled water. I then blow dried all the parts with compressed air. Then I let the parts dry for 24 hours before re-assembling the TP. When I put it together it had an erratic key, but this was fixed with a spray of tuner control cleaner and lubricant from Radio Shack. It now works great! If you want to do this, you should do it fast, before something corrodes. You have nothing to lose. Don't try to boot it again until you have it all dried out. This may fry something. Be patient. Good luck! -Victor On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:42:49 -0400, L. J. Mason wrote: >I trashed my 365xd with 4 oz of water and now the system won' t boot. I >believe I shorted out the motherboard so I have removed the hard drive >and now i need to get the data off it. Can I install this hard disk >into another notebook or must it be an IBM? Does it need to be from the >365 series or could I get a 385 or 600 series. I know that the 700 >series allows a second disk drive. Would that work? If anyone has any >knowledge on solving this problem or who I might contact at IBM to find out >.... >the local reseller is a turkey. > >Thanks in advance, L.J. > > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 14:36:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17318 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10314; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:34:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10230; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10212; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg128-025.ricochet.net [204.179.128.25]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10402 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001701bdadc3$cac49230$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Norton Utilities for NT and backup... Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:35:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have any comments about the NT version 2.0 of Symantec's Norton Utilities? I am running Windows Nt 4.0 (sp3) on a ThinkPad 600/PII-233 with the standard 3.2gb hard drive. After a week or so of use, it seems to be slower in terms of disk access. Perhaps I am in need of an NT disk defragger? I am nervous about diddling with my smoothly running setup but I use this guy all day long and I would love to feel that I am getting the best performance out of it. Are any of the other utilities in Norton useful or is it mostly fluff? Separately, I am curious about people's opinions on Backup. I have Zip SCSI card and a DAT drive and the supplied NTBackup application seems fine. Any tips here? The major query is how well disaster recovery works. i.e. a complete restore after a bad crash or loss of the unit. It is a portable after all. It might sprout legs. Thanks in advance. David -- David Taylor, Detayls From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 14:43:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17384 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10759; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:40:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10615; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10602; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (moab.demon.co.uk) [158.152.127.170] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yvR38-0003kP-00; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:40:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:39:24 +0100 To: Rainer Feuerstein Cc: ThinkPad Mailinglist From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: Q: TP770: Which one is best? In-Reply-To: <19980711191112.27698.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I want to buy a 770 with large disk (8.1G) and screen (14.1"), but I'd prefer to >have >a 56k MWave Modem built in. As far as I can see from IBM's Web pages, there's no >such >model available. Is this correct? According to IBM website - 770 driver file matrix - (http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/483e.html) the modem in 770, 770E and 770ED is software upgradeable to 56k x2. I haven't tried it yet but the modem upgrades for my previous ThinkPad - 760CD - worked well. -- Greg Terrell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 15:45:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18250 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12401; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:43:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12262; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12250; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a48.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.176]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21049; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:42:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35A911B8.BA65086D@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:42:48 -0700 From: James J Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Norton Utilities for NT and backup...(Laptop grows legs) References: <001701bdadc3$cac49230$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David W. Taylor wrote: > > Does anyone have any comments about the NT version 2.0 of Symantec's Norton > Utilities? > > I am running Windows Nt 4.0 (sp3) on a ThinkPad 600/PII-233 with the > standard 3.2gb hard drive. After a week or so of use, it seems to be slower > in terms of disk access. Perhaps I am in need of an NT disk defragger? > > I am nervous about diddling with my smoothly running setup but I use this > guy all day long and I would love to feel that I am getting the best > performance out of it. > > Are any of the other utilities in Norton useful or is it mostly fluff? > > Separately, I am curious about people's opinions on Backup. I have Zip SCSI > card and a DAT drive and the supplied NTBackup application seems fine. Any > tips here? The major query is how well disaster recovery works. i.e. a > complete restore after a bad crash or loss of the unit. It is a portable > after all. It might sprout legs. Backup often and regularly. My old office (I retired from the military) bought twenty-four 760ED's. In three months, six of them "walked". I am of the opinion that the person or persons who stole them was an "insider". They were all stolen in a fashion that makes their disappearance suspect. These machines were NOT backed up and one of them had critical data on it. I suggested that the organization purchase a backup drive of at least 4GB in size for each branch (that would be eight units). I routinely back this system up.... As to its capabilities, NTBackup requires a minimumal installation before it can read a backup tape. I require a backup solution that will run from a set of utility disks. I use OS/2 as my primary operating system, and a very good product for it is BackAgain/2 (now available for NT). I created a set of OS/2 Utility Disks and then used the application which is included with BackAgain to update those disks so that I can use a command-line restore program (called RESTORE.EXE) to reload the system. The nice thing is that I can do a full format and restore from the utility disks, reboot and go. I've had a few problems with the system (not with the operating system, but foolish things I've done) and used this method. I would definately look for this type of solution for your NT system. James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 15:49:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18321 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12715; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:47:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12568; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (access.crcn.net [206.12.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12546; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:47:03 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:49:28 -0800 Received: from [206.12.131.40] by access.crcn.net with smtp id 0c160284 ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:49:02 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:55:18 -0700 Message-ID: <01BDAD94.5297FF60.pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca> From: Pat Presidente To: "'David W. Taylor'" , ThinkPad Users Group Subject: RE: Norton Utilities for NT and backup... Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:55:17 -0700 Organization: School District 72 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi David; I am also running NT 4.0 (sp3) on one partition of my TP 380 XD (another has Win 98). Although I haven't used NU 2.0 for NT, I do have their (free for download) speed disk (defragger) which is available from the Symantec site (http://www.symantec.com). It seems pretty good. I also use the NT backup app. Pat ========================================================================= Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future ========================================================================= Well you know I could have me a million more friends And all I'd have to lose is my point of view - John Prine ========================================================================= On Sunday, July 12, 1998 11:35 AM, David W. Taylor [SMTP:detayls@sprynet.com] wrote: > Does anyone have any comments about the NT version 2.0 of Symantec's Norton > Utilities? > > I am running Windows Nt 4.0 (sp3) on a ThinkPad 600/PII-233 with the > standard 3.2gb hard drive. After a week or so of use, it seems to be slower > in terms of disk access. Perhaps I am in need of an NT disk defragger? > > I am nervous about diddling with my smoothly running setup but I use this > guy all day long and I would love to feel that I am getting the best > performance out of it. > > Are any of the other utilities in Norton useful or is it mostly fluff? > > Separately, I am curious about people's opinions on Backup. I have Zip SCSI > card and a DAT drive and the supplied NTBackup application seems fine. Any > tips here? The major query is how well disaster recovery works. i.e. a > complete restore after a bad crash or loss of the unit. It is a portable > after all. It might sprout legs. > > Thanks in advance. > > David > -- > David Taylor, Detayls > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 15:54:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18371 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13198; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:52:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13022; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13009; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a48.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.176]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22443; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:52:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35A91404.50E88C33@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:52:36 -0700 From: James J Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Norton Utilities for NT and backup...(Laptop grows legs) References: <002801bdadcd$f97a3a80$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David W. Taylor wrote: > > Thanks, James. This is definitely my aim. I, too, have seen laptops sprout > legs and need to be sure that I can avoid any issues. Actually, the best method is a second hard drive. However, this is a very expensive backup strategy. I plan on keeping at least two backups of my system. I moved all of my school documents onto a Zip disk and I keep that locked away. I'm in the process of moving all of my written documents onto the system and then onto that disk. Then I will move them onto my desktop, which has "plenty" of space right now. James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 16:29:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18758 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14026; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:26:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13890; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13877; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p44.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.178]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA22455; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807122020.NAA22455@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John-Lee Pratt Holmes" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 13:25:36 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 355 pcmcia slot Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:43:45 -0400 (EDT), John-Lee Pratt Holmes wrote: >I have an old thinkpad 355 and I would like to receive Real >Audio: can I put two cards, a sound card and a modem card, in >the pcmcia slot to the right of the machine? No. I.e. does this >slot allow room for only one or two cards? 1 card, but it allows for 1 Type III card. It's stupid that they couldn't just have 2 sockets, but that's IBM saving a few cents for you. Am I the last >thinkpad 355 owner in the world? Sorta. I still have my 355C, my first ThinkPad, but it is completely dead. :( I thought I was the last 355 owner however, because nobody ever answered my questions about the 355C on here... Am I the last of those last >to try to upgrade this machine for sound and internet speed? > >I hope not. > Maybe that too. The most I got out of it was using BBSes on the internal 2400bps modem (which died, so I bought a 2400bps PCMCIA card from Surplus Direct for the then cheap price of $32!). I suppose you could connect to a LAN or put on a 28.8 modem, but don't expect that great of performance, since the machine is only a 486SX-33 with no cache! -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 18:57:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20725 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17246; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:54:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17103; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17091; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA22821 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:53:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pax-ca25-45.ix.netcom.com(207.92.151.109) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022760; Sun Jul 12 17:53:24 1998 From: "Bernard Duchesne" To: "Thinkpad list" Subject: RE: Cleaning palmrest on TP600 ( or any Thinkpad) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:53:11 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01bdade7$d81d6e60$6d975ccf@corcovado.US_PAL00> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807120643.XAA01308@patty.loop.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IBM recommends Isopropyl alcool (rubbing alcool). I use it for both screen and palmrest and it works fine. A light soap could be used for the palmrest. I haven't used Windex but I read in other newsgroups that using Windex isn't recommended in the long run. I contains ammonia which bounds and forms a coating over the screen. I suspect that this is noticeable only after many cleaning runs though. > On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:54:00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >Supposedly, isopropyl alchol and water.. use a light application on a > >soft cotton lint free cloth.. then wipe the display or palm rest.. > > > >personally, i use windex.. :-) > > Same here, and never notice any problems. Which come to think of it, > it's time to clean my 3 ThinkPads and 3 Pentiums with Windex now... > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and > Sun Solaris 2.4 > ICQ#14582895 > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 20:51:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22391 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19612; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:48:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19490; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19478; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ljmason9 (detshiva8-129.flash.net [208.194.217.129]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA22756 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:48:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: ljmason9@pop.flash.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:44:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "L. J. Mason" Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >You can use it with a desktop even so long as you have the 2.5" -> 3.5" IDE adapter. This will be my prefered option right now as i'm not quite ready to purchase a new laptop. Where can I obtain this adapter?. Haven't had much luck finding it on the web. I have a 486 dx 50 desktop and a 350mhz pentium desktop that I can use to recover the data. The drive is only 850 mg (most of it is software but) I do have a few vital files to get off it. Haven't decided what to do with it when I'm done yet. I may save it for when prices drop or look for one with a bad display I can get cheap or may sell for parts. I'm afraid that I really did kill the motherboard. I propped it sideways for about two hours to dry then turned it on - while I had power at first it just shorted out. Now I get nothing at all on boot. The drive and display, kayboard, batteries, etc. should be ok. L.J. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 21:18:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22776 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20936; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20731; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20718; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807130114.VAA20718@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Mon, 11 Jul 1988 18:10:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "L. J. Mason" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 18:14:26 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Two days won't even dry it if you don't open it up. I know from experience. If you really want to get rid of it though... -Victor On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:44:03 -0400, L. J. Mason wrote: >>You can use it with a desktop even so long as you have the 2.5" -> 3.5" >IDE adapter. > >This will be my prefered option right now as i'm not quite ready to >purchase a new laptop. > >Where can I obtain this adapter?. Haven't had much luck finding it on the >web. I have a 486 dx 50 desktop and a 350mhz pentium desktop that I can use >to recover the data. The drive is only 850 mg (most of it is software but) >I do have a few vital files to get off it. > >Haven't decided what to do with it when I'm done yet. I may save it for >when prices drop or look for one with a bad display I can get cheap or may >sell for parts. > >I'm afraid that I really did kill the motherboard. I propped it sideways >for about two hours to dry then turned it on - while I had power at first >it just shorted out. Now I get nothing at all on boot. The drive and >display, kayboard, batteries, etc. should be ok. > >L.J. > > > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 22:13:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23519 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22575; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:10:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22397; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22385; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.135.14.42] (SoCal56k142.NetWiz.Net [208.135.14.42]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA28923 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:10:49 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35A91404.50E88C33@theriver.com> References: <002801bdadcd$f97a3a80$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:22:24 -0700 To: Thinkpad List From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Norton Utilities for NT and backup...(Laptop grows legs) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >David W. Taylor wrote: >> >> Thanks, James. This is definitely my aim. I, too, have seen laptops sprout >> legs and need to be sure that I can avoid any issues. > >Actually, the best method is a second hard drive. However, this is a >very expensive backup strategy. I plan on keeping at least two backups >of my system. I moved all of my school documents onto a Zip disk and I I don't use a Zip disk, or consider them a safe backup media. Fine for shuffling data from one place to another, not for long term important data though the failure rates are too high and just reading a zip with a bad drive can damage it. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 22:50:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24224 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24490; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:48:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24318; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24302; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA19346; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:52:58 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: "L. J. Mason" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, L. J. Mason wrote: > Where can I obtain this adapter?. Haven't had much luck finding it on the > web. I know they sell them at www.dalco.com. I see a complete kit there to mount a 2.5" drive in a 3.5" bay for $9.90. I have a 486 dx 50 desktop and a 350mhz pentium desktop that I can use > to recover the data. The drive is only 850 mg (most of it is software but) > I do have a few vital files to get off it. The '486 may or may not be able to handle an 800MB drive, so the pentium system is probably the best bet. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 12 23:17:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24594 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25559; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:15:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25401; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25389; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA09838; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:15:07 -1000 Message-ID: <000d01bdae0c$9595b960$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "L. J. Mason" Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:16:08 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>You can use it with a desktop even so long as you have the 2.5" -> 3.5" >IDE adapter. >Where can I obtain this adapter?. Haven't had much luck finding it on the >web. Is this the sort of thing you need? http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=Drives&sku=205-1991 I've bought from compgeeks before, and they are honest if spacey. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 03:36:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA28248 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02736; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:32:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02559; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02547; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roychen (slip-32-100-155-156.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.155.156]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA16204 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:32:23 GMT From: "Roy Chen" To: Subject: repeating beep when using modem Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:28:52 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bdae2f$e2666820$9c9b6420@roychen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone had this problem? Basically, when I use a PC Card modem to connect to my ISP, the next time my ThinkPad beeps (for errors), that beep would just keep repeating continuously until I restart. I've tried this with both a Motorola Mariner card and a Megahertz XJ2288. I guess that rules out the possibility it's a modem script/driver error. I am running Win98 with Win98 standard audio driver for the ESS sound chip. Any clues? -Roy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 07:58:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01008 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13664; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:54:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13501; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13489; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lou2 (pool1-1.usr1.smartlink.net [206.117.155.66]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA15766; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:54:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980713045350.00829100@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:53:50 -0700 To: "Roy Chen" From: Lou Wiener Subject: Re: repeating beep when using modem Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001901bdae2f$e2666820$9c9b6420@roychen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Did you upgrade to Win98 or did you just buy it with Win98 installed? At 12:28 AM 7/13/1998 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone had this problem? Basically, when I use a PC Card modem to >connect to my ISP, the next time my ThinkPad beeps (for errors), that beep >would just keep repeating continuously until I restart. > >I've tried this with both a Motorola Mariner card and a Megahertz XJ2288. I >guess that rules out the possibility it's a modem script/driver error. > >I am running Win98 with Win98 standard audio driver for the ESS sound chip. > >Any clues? > >-Roy > > > Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 12:41:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05631 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26655; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:30:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26102; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26081; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (215.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.215]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA02601; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AA36A7.74B3E379@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roy Chen CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: repeating beep when using modem References: <001901bdae2f$e2666820$9c9b6420@roychen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Roy.. you might start here.. http://www.thinkpads.com/whatthe.htm this is an article i posted on my web site last night.. it reports that Win98 (when loading) will change some of your .DLL's and not tell you what or why.. this MIGHT be your problem.. beyond that, which TP are you using..?? Roy Chen wrote: > Has anyone had this problem? Basically, when I use a PC Card modem to > connect to my ISP, the next time my ThinkPad beeps (for errors), that beep > would just keep repeating continuously until I restart. > > I've tried this with both a Motorola Mariner card and a Megahertz XJ2288. I > guess that rules out the possibility it's a modem script/driver error. > > I am running Win98 with Win98 standard audio driver for the ESS sound chip. > > Any clues? > > -Roy -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 12:48:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05727 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27248; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:42:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26798; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26760; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (215.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.215]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA07006; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AA3943.48E598DC@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:43:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: [TPall] Smurf, and more on memory References: <00a801bdad6d$4fee4de0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Never heard of Admor.. Viking i trust, i have seen their plant.. Apricorn is TP Proven, IBM inspects THEIR plant regularly.. GoldenRAM is similar i.e. IBM Approved.. and they are all made in the USA.. David Ross wrote: > >$130 is a good price for a 64meg part.. it is probably viking... > > Actually, it was Admor, though I've seen the Viking for $140. I guess I was shocked that it had jumped almost $30 in a week. > > Of course, all these prices for 64 megs of ram are absurdly low. > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 13:35:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06755 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29601; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:26:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29378; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29354; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts9port5.port.net (ts9port5.port.net [207.38.252.5]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06402; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:26:15 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Bill Morrow Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: repeating beep when using modem Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: <35d442f9.416333625@mail.interport.net> References: <001901bdae2f$e2666820$9c9b6420@roychen> <35AA36A7.74B3E379@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <35AA36A7.74B3E379@icanect.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On a different beeping issue: If I bump into my Thinkpad, it beeps (as if to complain of rough treatment). Is this normal behavior? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 14:17:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07508 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03054; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:11:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02844; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02799; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-148.usc.edu [128.125.227.148]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA229100 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:11:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980713111156.00a5ad0c@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:12:10 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Solaris 2.6 vs. DockII & 760? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone used a DockII and a 760 (I have a 760CD) with Solaris 2.6? I just bought a used Dock II -- but Solaris boot configurator tool hangs while searching for devices. Does anyone have suggestions for how to fix this? I have only a Toshiba 3401 SCSI CDROM drive in the Dock II now. Solaris runs just fine on my 760CD without the Dock - but I got the Dock II to make it easier to use CD's with my Solaris, Windows 95, and Windows NT systems. I initially loaded Solaris into my 760CD by extracting the hard drive, attaching a 3.5 to 2.5 IDE adaptor, and writing the disk on a standard desktop PC. Perhaps putting a IDE controller and IDE CDROM in the Dock II would help? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 14:22:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07631 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03819; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:18:57 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03404; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA03355; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25645; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p42.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.176]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA07151; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807131615.JAA07151@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "L. J. Mason" , "Steve Parker" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 09:20:09 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > The '486 may or may not be able to handle an 800MB drive, so the pentium >system is probably the best bet. > It's not a matter of the CPU, but rather the disk controller that can handle it. I say go with the Pentium, because being a Mode 3 hard drive, it will go faster on the Pentium. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 14:32:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07764 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04417; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:29:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04264; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04250; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA00853; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:33:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury cc: "L. J. Mason" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery In-Reply-To: <199807131615.JAA07151@patty.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > It's not a matter of the CPU, but rather the disk controller that can handle > it. I say go with the Pentium, because being a Mode 3 hard drive, it will go faster > on the Pentium. I know that. A '486 system may or may not support larger drives without special drivers. A Pentium box almost certainly can run it without difficulty. It isn't really a matter of the disk controller either. It's just good to avoid a possible BIOS limitation by going with the Pentium box the first time around. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 15:10:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08446 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06549; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:07:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06326; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06290; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.207]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29391 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001e01bdae91$7cc6b490$cf769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. 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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDAE56.BDDF2420-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 15:16:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08529 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06951; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06760; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (airbus.mayn.de [194.95.209.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06746; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3012 invoked from network); 13 Jul 1998 19:13:44 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.95.209.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 19:13:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 19633 invoked by uid 5); 13 Jul 1998 19:11:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713191141.19632.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from bedrock.mayn.de by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for multiple addresses; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:55:43 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "Ron Heiby" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 11:55:42 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Q: TP770: Which one is best? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:34:44 -0400, Ron Heiby wrote: >Speaking as the owner of two Mwave modems (one on an ISA card and one in a >TP 755CE), I believe that you are mistaken. Instead, get a PCMCIA modem. Why? The Mwave in my 760ED works well (though it's ony capable of 28.8k on OS/2). --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 16:47:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09839 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11775; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:43:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11395; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [166.84.1.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11381; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix3.panix.com (p/jmBbN7fdhjzpdnX1TMfP7GXGO838TN@panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.68]) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.8.8/PanixU1.4) with SMTP id QAA07494 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807132042.QAA07494@panix4.panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP600] resume fails after suspend under Linux Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:42:58 -0400 From: Mark Bergman Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm running Linux (RedHat 5.1) on my Thinkpad 600. The machine works fine, except for suspend/resume. I've got APM compiled in the kernel, and the machine seems to suspend fine (brief pause, disk activity, etc., log file notices that apmd received the suspend notice, etc.). However, when I open the laptop again, it powers up, but Linux remains frozen. This happens both under X and at a shell prompt. At this point I must cycle power to restart Linux. The behavior is basically the same with or without APM in the kernel, and regardless of the APM options. I can initiate a suspend with the apm program (if the kernel is built with APM), but the results are the same. Any suggestions? ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Unix mechanic 718-855-9148 bergman@panix.com {cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 19:01:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12639 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16830; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:59:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16666; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16652; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA21457 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BDAE90.51AC1E40@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:59:10 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAE90.51AC1E40@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: [TP701] FS: Memory Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:59:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I just cleaned up my desk and found an unused memory module for my Butterfly Thinkpad. If anybody has a use for a 8MB expansion, I would be willing to sell it for significantly less than the $200 that I bought it for. I mean _significantly_ less. I would also consider payment in full or part by barter. What I'm looking for: - new, old style cat's tongue trackpoint caps that don't peel off. - an adapter to use a 2.5" HD in a 3.5" desktop. - TP701-HD caddy - one of those nifty mouse-pads with steel support that a 701 fits on with a wrist support in front. a friend has it for her 701 and it makes typing so much nicer. especially when laying on a couch. - a PCMCIA modem that does more than 14.4 reliably. I hate getting kicked out at 19.2 constantly. 28.8 is obsolete these days but good enough for me, so I don't think I'm dreaming on this one... or any reasonable amount of good chocolate and/or licorice. please submit serious and/or entertaining offers! axel ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 21:16:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA14915 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21059; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:13:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20875; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20862; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (va162.idsonline.com [205.177.128.162]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA05618 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:05:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdaec4$9a3db400$a280b1cd@asalzberg> From: "Arthur J. Salzberg" To: Subject: TP 770ED, Win98 and ACPI Resume Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:13:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! I'm new to the list, so please forgive me if this has already been covered. I recently "upgraded" to Win98 on a relatively new 770ED (bios version 1.21). I carefully followed all the instructions posted on IBM's Web help, http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12b8e.html (and others), and installed Win98 >from Dos using the setup /pj switch to enable ACPI. For the most part, the upgrade was relatively easy (although the monitor was not correctly detected, USB conflicted with the floppy drive and the hard disk controllers had to be manually installed) and all is functioning now EXCEPT the machine will not resume from suspend. The monitor and the harddrive appear to suspend and resume without problem. MS's pmtshoot.exe reports a whole raft of problem devices, which leads me to conclude that Bios 1.21 really doesn't support ACPI as advertised. And in any event, pmtshoot.exe seems geared to solving problems entering suspend, (which this machine does just find), not resume. Interestingly, suspend and resume appears to work from safemode, which suggests a problem driver--unfortunately, disabling sound, USB and Infra red support doesn't fix it. Has any one been able to get suspend to resume on a 770ED with Win98? Thanks in advance, and best to all. "Who is wise? The one who learns from all." Ben Zoma From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 22:52:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA16588 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24336; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:49:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24097; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24085; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (p01.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.135]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA11479; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:48:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807140248.TAA11479@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Victor Kress" Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 15:06:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: linux hibernation tp600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 10 Jul 98 10:02:50 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: >I know this has come up before on the list, but I have not seen a >solution. I just wanted to check to see if there is one. > >I have been trying to get suspend and hibernation working under linux >(Red Hat 5.1 distribution). In the past couple of weeks I have >learned far more about linux than I have time for :). I have tried a >kernel recompile win apm enabled for both the kernel and PCMCIA >module. The best I can do is what I started with (but I have learned >lots). On AC, I have suspend, but not hibernate. On battery, both >suspend and hibernate lead to total and complete lockup (not a good >thing with EXT2). > >I have seen newsgroup messages to the effect of "this is a tp600/770 >problem with no solution". Is this the case? If so, I'll cut my >losses and give up trying until someone who knows what they are doing >takes interest in the problem, If nobody more competent than I has >tackled this problem (come on..this is a challenge!), then I won't be >able to resist poking at it. Save me! Maybe the kernal just won't respond to the clock being stopped for so long, or tries to save processes to the disk. I notice that whenever I try to suspend or hibernate on Warp 4 on my 701, there is noticeable disk activity before it does so. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 23:18:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA16962 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25502; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:16:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25321; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25299; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a28.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.92]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27348 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:15:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35AACD7E.F0691976@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:16:14 -0700 From: James J Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: repeating beep when using modem References: <001901bdae2f$e2666820$9c9b6420@roychen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Megahertz XJ2288 upgraded to 33.6 and that does not happen here. I would suspect either the Win98 audio drivers or a system configuration problem (shared IRQ when it should not be.) James Roy Chen wrote: > > Has anyone had this problem? Basically, when I use a PC Card modem to > connect to my ISP, the next time my ThinkPad beeps (for errors), that beep > would just keep repeating continuously until I restart. > > I've tried this with both a Motorola Mariner card and a Megahertz XJ2288. I > guess that rules out the possibility it's a modem script/driver error. > > I am running Win98 with Win98 standard audio driver for the ESS sound chip. > > Any clues? > > -Roy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 13 23:52:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17461 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26665; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:50:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26532; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26517; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-014-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.78]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16770; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35AAD578.3CFC3A00@cia-g.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:50:16 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Canyonland Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Feuerstein CC: Ron Heiby , ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Q: TP770: Which one is best? References: <19980713191141.19632.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The MWave 28.8 modem in the 760 series works very poorly on some models of a digital Portmaster model that a lot of ISP's use... in fact it barely works at all... depends on where you are and what digital equipment your ISP uses. I have heard better reports on the 770 MWave 33.6... don't know about the 56 K... best to ask your ISP first. Ray Bayles Rainer Feuerstein wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:34:44 -0400, Ron Heiby wrote: > > >Speaking as the owner of two Mwave modems (one on an ISA card and one in a > >TP 755CE), I believe that you are mistaken. Instead, get a PCMCIA modem. > Why? > The Mwave in my 760ED works well (though it's ony capable of 28.8k on OS/2). > > --- > kind regards, > Rainer Feuerstein From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 00:32:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA17998 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24581; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:50:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24153; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24141; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (p01.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.135]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA11474; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807140248.TAA11474@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Jane Loyless" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 15:00:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:30:21 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 12:03 AM 6/24/98 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>i strongly doubt it.. >>the 600 is the replacement for the 560.. >> > >For the 560? Ummm... I thought it was the replacement for the 76x. > No, the replacement for the 76x would probably be the 770. Although the 760 and 765 machines are now good for entry-level high performance. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 00:55:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA18333 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29302; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:53:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29179; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29166; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailstub@localhost) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA05103; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807140453.VAA05103@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "Thinkpad Email List" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:55:19 +0000 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: $1800 Thinkpad 770s at CompUSA Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu These are the lowly P200MMX models with 13.3" screens at CompUSAs Outlet Center online. Advertised as refurbished with only 90 days CompUSA labor warranty. I purchased the same model for $2000 a couple of months ago from this same place... mine appear to be customer returns with full warranty but your mileage may vary on the warranty. I have no affiliation with CompUSA... just passing on what appears to be a bargain. You may have to order online to get the price. URL is: http://info.compusa.com/outlet/Prodlist.asp?Cat_Id=1 --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 05:44:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA24353 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12677; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:40:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12470; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12458; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-78.az.com (seawesta-78.az.com [204.201.18.78]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA04546 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807140938.CAA04546@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 02:52:55 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Power Mangement Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again, Does anyone know if there is a DOS power management floating around for an IBM thinkpad 365XD? I didn't think about it until I was playing Panzer General in DOS that there was no power mangement and drained a battery very very quickly. (Fortunately I have three backup batteries). Speaking of batteries...anyone know what the average shelf life of a battery is? I rotate the usage on what I have now, and use DOS to drain the battery (a lovely dir/s on the CD ROM drive works well). And finally, I know OS/2 has power mangement built in, but I do not like the fuel program that you get off the IBM web site and read in the manual (off the IBM web site) that there should be a way to use the fuel program to drain the battery. Thoughts,suggestions, and doughnuts appreciated. :) Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 07:57:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA02377 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15867; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:54:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15696; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15683; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lou2 (pool1-34.usr1.smartlink.net [206.117.155.99]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA22918; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980714045401.0082a860@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:54:01 -0700 To: "Teresa Selling" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Wiener Subject: Re: $1800 Thinkpad 770s at CompUSA In-Reply-To: <199807140453.VAA05103@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for posting the information. I see that it does NOT include a CD ROM Drive. Does anyone know how much a 20 x CD ROM costs for these units? At 10:55 PM 7/13/1998 +0000, you wrote: >These are the lowly P200MMX models with 13.3" >screens at CompUSAs Outlet Center online. >Advertised as refurbished with only 90 >days CompUSA labor warranty. I purchased >the same model for $2000 a couple of months >ago from this same place... mine appear to be >customer returns with full warranty but >your mileage may vary on the warranty. > >I have no affiliation with CompUSA... just >passing on what appears to be a bargain. >You may have to order online to get the price. >URL is: >http://info.compusa.com/outlet/Prodlist.asp?Cat_Id=1 > >--- >Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net >Colorado Springs, CO > > > Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 08:38:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02880 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17427; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:36:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17222; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17209; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id HAA16853; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:37:41 -0500 Message-ID: <35AB50C8.F72EF538@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 14 Jul 1998 12:35:45 UT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:36:24 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lou Wiener CC: Teresa Selling , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $1800 Thinkpad 770s at CompUSA References: <3.0.5.32.19980714045401.0082a860@mail.smartlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu PC Zone has the 770's 10-24X CD for $296. http://www.pczone.com No affiliation with PC Zone, just happened to know where to look... Lou Wiener wrote: > > Thanks for posting the information. I see that it does NOT include a CD > ROM Drive. Does anyone know how much a 20 x CD ROM costs for these units? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@nospam@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 09:52:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03867 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20045; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:49:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19878; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.137]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19866; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle.hksm.columbia.edu (miracle.hksm.columbia.edu [128.59.236.53]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA04287 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott A. Dubler" X-Sender: scott@miracle.hksm.columbia.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpad 600 and heat Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was playing around with my mother's new Powerbook G3 last night and was very impressed with its display and performance but was disappointed with how hot the case got. It was almost too hot to touch in certain spots and it certainly could not be placed on one's lap comfortably. Since I am planning to purchase a Thinkpad 600, I was wondering if anyone could tell me how well this machine dissipates heat. When I went to the computer store, the machine felt cool, but this may have just been because it was sleeping most of the time. I am concerned that high case temperatures may be common to all the new high performance laptops. If this is the case, how slow of a computer must one get in order to have a cool running laptop. Thanks for your help. Scott Dubler From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 12:28:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06568 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29251; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:24:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29004; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28992; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com ([206.96.182.74]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26227; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:24:39 -0500 Message-ID: <35AB8734.8424EA68@ro.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:28:36 -0500 From: Jeff Jackowski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Scott A. Dubler" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad 600 and heat References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Scott A. Dubler wrote: > > I am concerned that high case temperatures may be common to all > the new high performance laptops. If this is the case, how slow of a > computer must one get in order to have a cool running laptop. The heat depends a lot on what the computer is doing. To keep my ThinkPad 765D as cool as possible, I set the CPU at the slowest speed and tell it to adjust the CPU's speed as needed. This provides excellent performance, and helps keep the temporature down. If I run something that constantly uses all the CPU time, like the RC5 cracking client, or use the MPEG hardware, the ThinkPad will get hot. I usually don't do that on battery power, though, so the heat normally isn't much of a problem. Jeff Jackowski From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 12:36:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06684 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29968; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:32:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29752; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29737; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg134-101.ricochet.net [204.179.134.101]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16971 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:33:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807141633.LAA16971@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:32:41 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 and heat In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Scott A. Dubler wrote: >> I was playing around with my mother's new Powerbook G3 last night and was very impressed with its display and performance but was disappointed with how hot the case got. It was almost too hot to touch in certain spots and it certainly could not be placed on one's lap comfortably. Since I am planning to purchase a Thinkpad 600, I was wondering if anyone could tell me how well this machine dissipates heat. When I went to the computer store, the machine felt cool, but this may have just been because it was sleeping most of the time. << >> I am concerned that high case temperatures may be common to all the new high performance laptops. If this is the case, how slow of a computer must one get in order to have a cool running laptop. << I've had the TP600 PII-266 model for ten weeks and it has been running continuously (not in standby or anything) most of that time. The bottom of the case gets slightly warm but not at all hot. I wear shorts a lot in the summer, and I've set the TP600 on my bare legs with no discomfort. This is quite different from my 760E, which really gets hot underneath. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 12:47:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06877 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00907; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:42:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00623; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00597; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com ([206.96.182.74]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29602; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:20 -0500 Message-ID: <35AB8B59.3BD32B86@ro.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:46:17 -0500 From: Jeff Jackowski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Power Mangement References: <199807140938.CAA04546@lucy.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Does anyone know if there is a DOS power management floating around for an IBM thinkpad 365XD? I didn't > think about it until I was playing Panzer General in DOS that there was no power mangement and drained a > battery very very quickly. (Fortunately I have three backup batteries). Just look up the drivers for your ThinkPad on IBM's ThinkPad pages. They have rather nice pages for each ThinkPad that lists info for that ThinkPad. I know I can find the DOS drivers for the 765D. > > And finally, I know OS/2 has power mangement built in, but I do not like the fuel program that you get off the > IBM web site and read in the manual (off the IBM web site) that there should be a way to use the fuel program > to drain the battery. I think the u shapped arrow icon is the button to press to drain the battery. The ps2 program, included with the disk with DOS & personalization stuff (at least for my pad), may also have an option to drain the battery. > Thoughts,suggestions, and doughnuts appreciated. :) The . . . doughnut . . . won't . . . fit! Drat! There goes my Windows desktop! Oh, well. The smashed doughnut looks better. :-) Jeff Jackowski From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 12:53:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07017 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01551; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:49:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01303; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01290; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25145 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22795; Tue, 14 Jul 98 12:51:56 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA02846 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:51:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:51:50 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 and heat In-Reply-To: <199807141633.LAA16971@rgate2.ricochet.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Michael Geary wrote: > Scott A. Dubler wrote: > > >> I was playing around with my mother's new Powerbook G3 last night and was > very impressed with its display and performance but was disappointed with > how hot the case got. It was almost too hot to touch in certain spots > > I've had the TP600 PII-266 model for ten weeks and it has been running > continuously (not in standby or anything) most of that time. The bottom of > the case gets slightly warm but not at all hot. I wear shorts a lot in the As has been discussed here quite often, Windows 95 fails to use the halt command built into all modern processors. As a result, the CPU runs at full speed even when idle, and generates excess heat. People running Linux, OS/2, and NT have all reported much cooler laptops than people running Win95. There are supposed to be utilities around for Win95 which idle the CPU, but others have reported stability concerns. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 13:01:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07143 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02309; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:57:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01991; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01979; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (comserv-g-38.usc.edu [128.125.223.182]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA14964 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807141657.JAA14964@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:56:01 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Thinkpad 600 and Heat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:44 AM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote: >I was playing around with my mother's new Powerbook G3 last night and was >very impressed with its display and performance but was disappointed with >how hot the case got. It was almost too hot to touch in certain spots >and it certainly could not be placed on one's lap comfortably. Since I am >planning to purchase a Thinkpad 600, I was wondering if anyone could tell >me how well this machine dissipates heat. When I went to the computer Very well. Better than any ThinkPad I've had (and I've had a few). Even the 750C got really hot. The 600 is surprisingly cool--probably because of the venting & fan. >I am concerned that high case temperatures may be common to all >the new high performance laptops. If this is the case, how slow of a >computer must one get in order to have a cool running laptop. As I said, the 600 does fine. The 750C was a 486SL-33 (basically a DX with power management--a new thing back then) and it got plenty hot, but that was mainly battery heat rather than CPU heat. --- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "It is hard to convince a high-school student that he will encounter a lot of problems more difficult than those of algebra and geometry," -- Edgar W. Howe in "Country Town Sayings", 1911. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 13:25:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07597 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03785; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:22:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03510; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03475; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.02/2.0) id SAA004.27; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:20:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199807141720.SAA004.27@bradnet> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 18:20:05 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Y2K bios upgrades To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if there have been any Y2K compliant bios upgrades for any Thinkpads? -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 14:14:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08544 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06300; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:08:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06075; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06046; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:08:11 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (midtown-dnnqv-065.ny.compuserve.net [209.154.77.65] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id OAA23666; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980714025123.00818ac0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:51:23 -0400 To: "Rainer Feuerstein" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Q: TP770: Which one is best? Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" In-Reply-To: <19980713191141.19632.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 11:55 AM 7/13/98 +0100, Rainer Feuerstein wrote: >On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:34:44 -0400, Ron Heiby wrote: >>Speaking as the owner of two Mwave modems (one on an ISA card and one in a >>TP 755CE), I believe that you are mistaken. Instead, get a PCMCIA modem. >Why? >The Mwave in my 760ED works well (though it's ony capable of 28.8k on OS/2). While I am happy for Rainer, that he is satisfied with his Mwave modem: 1) I found that getting the modem to connect generally required that I not be actively doing anything else on my machine, as it wanted to have lots of CPU cycles during the connect process. I like to do lots of things on my PC "at the same time", and this didn't fit well with the needs of the Mwave. 2) My ISP changed their physical plant, and neither of my Mwave modems would successfully connect to it any more. 3) Having a fairly nifty DSP in the box leads folks to use it for SoundBlaster emulation, rather than including actual hardware for sound functions. This means that every time you want to have your computer make a sound, everything has to stop for 1-2 seconds, while the Mwave thinks about whether or not to actually make some sound. (Yes, I know that this is not, strictly speaking, a problem with its modem capabilities.) 4) I noticed that my system got significantly more stable when I was no longer using the Mwave or installing any of its drivers. Of course, even so, my system is nowhere near as stable as it was before I downgraded from OS/2 to Win95. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED, available from keyservers iQEVAwUBNar/2uukCaFXG1W9AQGPUAf/eeeDY6/w3bmld7W5WOSoc61adx0imlR7 +7VcvU0UBQpFfaZnd9GFTW9zvQXDVeocuNSRfSQ51au6gD+SnYzTryEvrZW4P7UA xo62vBWjqoVSR4xxIU2lIOEkUhFTs82Z3Nf2hICXxk+tdUIy4MLDmCpBNMq/YEX/ MBRiU4oXfUKm20/8p/C/LSUAutzIwCXWg+gdmLZuAgqElIiVGjzjyAjzug+8R5fT RdS+v4nYbR52nGP/iqBpeXh7gft06hEIWFsd0rIJrqbaGvhycHt2ZzDIYIVLdoKX EetxX+Q3YtdBRdl4IIQIqI6TeVm4Fh55k5Lu0I9jMJF1BQ3NNlLoGw== =psJJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 16:32:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA11213 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13433; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:27:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13132; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13120; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roychen (slip166-72-208-226.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.208.226]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA81968 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:27:30 GMT From: "Roy Chen" To: Subject: RE: repeating beep when using modem Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:23:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdaf65$55e6f900$e2d048a6@roychen.us.ingrammicro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35AA36A7.74B3E379@icanect.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thank you all for responding to my cry for help on the repeating beep issue. The issue, unfortunately, is still unresolved. Here is a summary of what I tried: 1. Uninstalling and reinstalling dial-up networking had no effect. The first couple of beeps after I connected were normal. Then the third beep exhibited the repeating beep syndrome. 2. Reinstalled modem drivers to no effect. 3. Installed latest audio drivers for my ThinkPad 760XL (ESS chip) with drivers from IBM's web site. No effect. Basically, that's where I am. I'm about to call IBM's tech support. Their knowledgebase made no mention of my problem, so I wonder how far I can get with tech support. Will keep you all updated. -Roy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 16:51:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA11591 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14568; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:48:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14398; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14386; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13516; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:48:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:48:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Teresa Selling cc: Thinkpad Email List Subject: Re: $1800 Thinkpad 770s at CompUSA In-Reply-To: <199807140453.VAA05103@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Do you know if the screen is the 800 x 600 or the 1080 x 700 or the 1200 x 1080? On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Teresa Selling wrote: > These are the lowly P200MMX models with 13.3" > screens at CompUSAs Outlet Center online. > Advertised as refurbished with only 90 > days CompUSA labor warranty. I purchased > the same model for $2000 a couple of months > ago from this same place... mine appear to be > customer returns with full warranty but > your mileage may vary on the warranty. > > I have no affiliation with CompUSA... just > passing on what appears to be a bargain. > You may have to order online to get the price. > URL is: > http://info.compusa.com/outlet/Prodlist.asp?Cat_Id=1 > > --- > Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net > Colorado Springs, CO > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 18:41:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13678 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19234; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:37:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18956; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18942; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (p25.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.159]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02125; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:36:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807142236.PAA02125@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Parker" Cc: "L. J. Mason" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 20:29:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> It's not a matter of the CPU, but rather the disk controller that can handle >> it. I say go with the Pentium, because being a Mode 3 hard drive, it will go faster >> on the Pentium. > > I know that. A '486 system may or may not support larger drives without >special drivers. A Pentium box almost certainly can run it without >difficulty. It isn't really a matter of the disk controller either. It's >just good to avoid a possible BIOS limitation by going with the Pentium >box the first time around. I suppose that also is an issue. I didn't think about the BIOS much with my Pentium 66, which has NO onboard I/O, unless you include keyboard, slots, and DMA. :) Too bad SCSI isn't as standard in PCs as IDE, or else we wouldn't have this problem. :) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 18:41:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13689 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19280; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:38:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18993; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18981; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (p25.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.159]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02122; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:36:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199807142236.PAA02122@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "richard" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 20:26:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: repeating beep when using modem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:26:16 -0400, richard wrote: >On a different beeping issue: If I bump into my Thinkpad, it beeps (as if to >complain of rough treatment). Is this normal behavior? > Or how about this? Sometimes, my keyboard sort of locks up, then everything, or half of it, get's printed to the screen, and I get beeping. Sometimes both CRTL-SHIFTs (strange combination) fixes it, othertimes, I need either a suspend or hibernation. Anyone had this problem at all? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 19:27:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14381 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21265; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:24:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21113; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21099; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailstub@localhost) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA28424; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807142324.QAA28424@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "Ray Bayles" Cc: "Thinkpad Email List" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:26:45 +0000 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: $1800 Thinkpad 770s at CompUSA Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The screen is 1024x768 with 64K colors active matrix. On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:48:37 -0600 (MDT), Ray Bayles wrote: >Do you know if the screen is the 800 x 600 or >the 1080 x 700 or the 1200 x 1080? > > >On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Teresa Selling wrote: > >> These are the lowly P200MMX models with 13.3" >> screens at CompUSAs Outlet Center online. >> Advertised as refurbished with only 90 >> days CompUSA labor warranty. I purchased >> the same model for $2000 a couple of months >> ago from this same place... mine appear to be >> customer returns with full warranty but >> your mileage may vary on the warranty. >> >> I have no affiliation with CompUSA... just >> passing on what appears to be a bargain. >> You may have to order online to get the price. >> URL is: >> http://info.compusa.com/outlet/Prodlist.asp?Cat_Id=1 >> >> --- >> Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net >> Colorado Springs, CO >> >> > > --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 14 23:55:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17900 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00562; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:52:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00404; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00392; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:52:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a86.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.86]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA29486 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807150352.XAA29486@pike.sover.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 23:49:35 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600 Pricing X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A few weeks back someone said they were seeing lower prices on the TP 600. --I'm ready to buy, but I don't see any change in the price since introduction. Has anyone noticed any reductions? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 01:42:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19535 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03555; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:39:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03356; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03343; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA09044; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AC4114.D7ACE4FF@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:41:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Parker CC: Paul Khoury , "L. J. Mason" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu HUH..?? are we talking about thinkpads here.. if so, i have a 750C (486-33SL) that i use to setup 5.1gig, IBM travelstar HDD's.. works fine, though it IS a bit slower than the 760ED.. Steve Parker wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > It's not a matter of the CPU, but rather the disk controller that can handle > > it. I say go with the Pentium, because being a Mode 3 hard drive, it will go faster > > on the Pentium. > > I know that. A '486 system may or may not support larger drives without > special drivers. A Pentium box almost certainly can run it without > difficulty. It isn't really a matter of the disk controller either. It's > just good to avoid a possible BIOS limitation by going with the Pentium > box the first time around. > > ============================================================================ > ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== > ============================================================================ -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 01:46:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19600 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03858; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:43:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03674; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03660; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA09406; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AC41B3.CC36CD18@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:44:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Diskette drive for 365XD... References: <001e01bdae91$7cc6b490$cf769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1E79E360FB0A9DC717CD3FCB" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --------------1E79E360FB0A9DC717CD3FCB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBM.. 800-388-7080, 2, 2, 0 (the 0 to avoid the long warning about calling outside of normal business hours and becoming subject to the $170 "fee") than ask for 10H4056 $75 there is/were some Dell (i think) floppies that LOOK the same on some online used stuff page but until i see one i won't suggest it to anyone.. (they were $12.50) David W. Taylor wrote: > How do I find an external Diskette drive for an ThinkPad 365XD? Any > dealers? David--David Taylor, Detayls -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 --------------1E79E360FB0A9DC717CD3FCB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBM..
800-388-7080, 2, 2, 0 (the 0 to avoid the long warning about calling outside of normal business hours and becoming subject to the $170 "fee")
than ask for 10H4056
$75
there is/were some Dell (i think) floppies that LOOK the same on some online used stuff page but until i see one i won't suggest it to anyone.. (they were $12.50)
 

David W. Taylor wrote:

 How do I find an external Diskette drive for an ThinkPad 365XD? Any dealers? David--David Taylor, Detayls 
 

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770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad
Win95B & Win98
  --------------1E79E360FB0A9DC717CD3FCB-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 01:51:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19655 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04253; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:48:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04004; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03992; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA10376; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AC4323.F5CED35B@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:50:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: richard , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: repeating beep when using modem References: <199807142236.PAA02122@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. thats a tough one.. have you tried a different HDD with a different OS setup..?? thats first.. THEN try pulling memory and other hardware related culprits.. Paul Khoury wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:26:16 -0400, richard wrote: > > >On a different beeping issue: If I bump into my Thinkpad, it beeps (as if to > >complain of rough treatment). Is this normal behavior? > > > Or how about this? Sometimes, my keyboard sort of locks up, then everything, > or half of it, get's printed to the screen, and I get beeping. Sometimes both > CRTL-SHIFTs (strange combination) fixes it, othertimes, I need either a suspend > or hibernation. > > Anyone had this problem at all? > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 01:53:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19677 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04572; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:50:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04288; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04272; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA10625; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AC43AA.8FBABC0@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:52:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Arthur J. Salzberg" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 770ED, Win98 and ACPI Resume References: <000601bdaec4$9a3db400$a280b1cd@asalzberg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Arthur.. i think MS did not support ACPI the way it was written..! there is a document i posted on my web site which talks about this vis-a-vis the 770ED.. for now, use APM.. Arthur J. Salzberg wrote: > Hello! > > I'm new to the list, so please forgive me if this has already been covered. > > I recently "upgraded" to Win98 on a relatively new 770ED (bios version > 1.21). > > I carefully followed all the instructions posted on IBM's Web help, > http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12b8e.html (and others), and installed Win98 > from Dos using the setup /pj switch to enable ACPI. > > For the most part, the upgrade was relatively easy (although the monitor was > not correctly detected, USB conflicted with the floppy drive and the hard > disk controllers had to be manually installed) and all is functioning now > EXCEPT the machine will not resume from suspend. > > The monitor and the harddrive appear to suspend and resume without problem. > > MS's pmtshoot.exe reports a whole raft of problem devices, which leads me to > conclude that Bios 1.21 really doesn't support ACPI as advertised. And in > any event, pmtshoot.exe seems geared to solving problems entering suspend, > (which this machine does just find), not resume. > > Interestingly, suspend and resume appears to work from safemode, which > suggests a problem driver--unfortunately, disabling sound, USB and Infra red > support doesn't fix it. > > Has any one been able to get suspend to resume on a 770ED with Win98? > > Thanks in advance, and best to all. > > "Who is wise? The one who learns from all." Ben Zoma -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 02:00:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA19967 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04969; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:58:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04783; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04770; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA11519; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AC4550.EF0CFC8E@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:59:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: Lou Wiener , Teresa Selling , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $1800 Thinkpad 770s at CompUSA References: <3.0.5.32.19980714045401.0082a860@mail.smartlink.net> <35AB50C8.F72EF538@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There were a bunch of 20x CD's around earlier in the year after the DVD drives became more commona dn people upgraded.. i would not pay the $300 for a 24x if i could find a 20x for $150 to $200 Rob Bell wrote: > PC Zone has the 770's 10-24X CD for $296. > > http://www.pczone.com > > No affiliation with PC Zone, just happened to know where to look... > > Lou Wiener wrote: > > > > Thanks for posting the information. I see that it does NOT include a CD > > ROM Drive. Does anyone know how much a 20 x CD ROM costs for these units? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rob Bell > Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN > rob_bell@nospam@csi.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 02:16:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20162 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05529; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:02:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05209; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05179; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA12011; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AC4625.99BE6C38@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:03:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades References: <199807141720.SAA004.27@bradnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu AFAIK most and all newer TP's are Y2K compliant.. John Poltorak wrote: > Does anyone know if there have been any Y2K compliant bios upgrades > for any Thinkpads? > > -- > John -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 02:26:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20283 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05524; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:02:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05207; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05168; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA12188; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AC466E.97CE8092@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:04:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 Pricing References: <199807150352.XAA29486@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu CDW has about 30 at about $4300 ask for sharmel.. letoured@sover.net wrote: > A few weeks back someone said they were seeing lower prices on the TP 600. > --I'm ready to buy, but I don't see any change in the price since > introduction. > > Has anyone noticed any reductions? > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > letoured@sover.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 02:44:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20495 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07117; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:42:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06981; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06961; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p08.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.142]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04375; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 23:38:31 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:03:17 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >AFAIK most and all newer TP's are Y2K compliant.. > What about the OSes? I know OS/2 Warp 3 (FP32) and Warp 4 (FP5) and I think Linux are, but what about NT and 95? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 02:50:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20537 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07719; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:47:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07345; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07299; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p08.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.142]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05192; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807150639.XAA05192@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Steve Parker" Cc: "L. J. Mason" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 23:45:16 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:41:40 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >HUH..?? >are we talking about thinkpads here.. >if so, i have a 750C (486-33SL) that i use to setup 5.1gig, IBM travelstar HDD's.. >works fine, though it IS a bit slower than the 760ED.. > Well, yeah, because the Pentium does 2 instructions per clock cycle, whereas the 486 does 1 per cycle, if I recall. Plus, the Pentium supports Mode 4 IDE, LBA, and other good stuff. And memory transfer is generally faster because of higher speed, higher clock speed, etc. Anyways, back to ThinkPad stuff... =) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 02:55:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20609 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08307; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:52:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08025; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07995; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p08.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.142]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05758; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807150645.XAA05758@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "LightSide" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 23:51:05 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Power Mangement Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Speaking of batteries...anyone know what the average shelf life of a battery is? Depends on the battery type, and whether it is charged or not. I do know that with sealed lead acid (my favorites, next are NiMH), if you leave them on a shelf for a long time (like a year or more, no charging), then the plates will corrode, and ruin the battery. This may or may not be the same with regular batteries, like NiCAD, NiMH, and Li ION. I rotate the usage on what I >have now, and use DOS to drain the battery (a lovely dir/s on the CD ROM drive works well). > Try a SCANDISK as well, that should really do it. >And finally, I know OS/2 has power mangement built in, but I do not like the fuel program that you get off the >IBM web site and read in the manual (off the IBM web site) that there should be a way to use the fuel program >to drain the battery. > If you really want to drain the battery in OS/2, run the RC5 cracking client (www.distributed.net/rc5/clients.html) at full priority. Believe me, it will work. My ThinkPad is barely hot without it, but when I run it, it get's BURNING HOT (I have concluded that it is why my machine gets so hot, otherwise, it's very efficient). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 02:56:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20616 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08599; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:54:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08277; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08195; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p08.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.142]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05885; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807150647.XAA05885@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Arthur J. Salzberg" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 23:52:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 770ED, Win98 and ACPI Resume Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:52:42 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Arthur.. >i think MS did not support ACPI the way it was written..! >there is a document i posted on my web site which talks about this vis-a-vis the >770ED.. >for now, use APM.. What is ACPI anyways? Another MS standard? I've never heard of it. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 03:02:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA20634 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09258; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:00:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08932; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp01.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08830; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-151.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-151.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.151]) by smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id PAA18767; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:59:39 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Paul Khoury" , "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:59:56 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com> Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In article <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com>, Paul Khoury wrote (re compliance with Y2K issues): >What about the OSes? I know OS/2 Warp 3 (FP32) and Warp 4 (FP5) and I think >Linux are, but what about NT and 95? Windows 95 isn't, nor is Windows 98. Microsoft says that Windows NT is except for "some issues" (which means it isn't.) -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD Be labz 9 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 03:41:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA21000 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11345; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:38:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11205; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11137; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA20599; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:38:38 -1000 Message-ID: <003601bdafc3$ba943300$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:39:39 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Well, yeah, because the Pentium does 2 instructions per clock cycle, whereas the 486 >does 1 per cycle, if I recall. Plus, the Pentium supports Mode 4 IDE, LBA, and other good stuff. LBA and IDE level support is in the board hardware and BIOS, not the CPU. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 04:19:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA21393 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07895; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:48:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07459; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07432; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p08.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.142]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05350; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807150641.XAA05350@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ray Bayles" , "Teresa Selling" Cc: "Thinkpad Email List" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 23:46:53 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: $1800 Thinkpad 770s at CompUSA Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:26:45 +0000, Teresa Selling wrote: >The screen is 1024x768 with 64K colors active matrix. Wow. And to think you referenced 200MHz MMX as lowly (my fastest machine is my dad's P200 running Warp 3 on my network). Does anyone know if the 600 or higher end 760's will come down as well? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 04:24:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA21426 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07781; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:47:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07401; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07346; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p08.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.142]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05000; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807150637.XAA05000@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Rob Bell" Cc: "Lou Wiener" , "Teresa Selling" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 23:43:14 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: $1800 Thinkpad 770s at CompUSA Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:59:44 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >There were a bunch of 20x CD's around earlier in the year after the DVD drives >became more commona dn people upgraded.. >i would not pay the $300 for a 24x if i could find a 20x for $150 to $200 While we're on the topic of CD-ROMs, has anyone noticed a high CPU usage when constantly using the CD-ROM (like for installations), since it's IDE based? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 07:44:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA23128 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21835; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:41:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21715; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21703; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:41:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JES560e@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FGHIa19316; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4c3325e5.35ac953c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:40:43 EDT To: scarter@hticn.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a message dated 7/15/1998 3:01:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scarter@hticn.com writes: In article <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com>, Paul Khoury wrote (re compliance with Y2K issues): >>What about the OSes? I know OS/2 Warp 3 (FP32) and Warp 4 (FP5) and I think >>Linux are, but what about NT and 95? >Windows 95 isn't, nor is Windows 98. Microsoft says that Windows NT >is except for "some issues" (which means it isn't.) >> There is a 255K Y2K patch for Windows 95 that can be downloaded at: http://www.winmag.com/win95/update95.htm The patch is self-executable and will place this entry in the Add & Remove Window in Control Panel: "Windows 95 Year 2000 Update" John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 07:47:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA23157 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22172; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:44:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21967; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21937; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 107.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.107]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980715114354.CTZJ4118@107.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:43:54 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 and heat Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:44:20 GMT Message-ID: <35ad9491.4306366@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:51:50 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: >As has been discussed here quite often, Windows 95 fails to use >the halt command built into all modern processors. As a result, >the CPU runs at full speed even when idle, and generates excess >heat. People running Linux, OS/2, and NT have all reported much >cooler laptops than people running Win95. There are supposed to >be utilities around for Win95 which idle the CPU, but others >have reported stability concerns. Can you say what sort of stability concerns? I've been trying these out on my machine a week each, and I'm on my 3rd one. The week before last, I ran CPU Idle from Intel (ftp.enteract.com/users/epbrown/cpuidle252.zip). Last week I ran Rain >from http://cpu.simplenet.com/leading_wintech/, and this week I'm running Waterfall from the same company. I've been running my 560 P133 as per normal, without a hitch. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 08:58:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23907 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24278; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:55:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24104; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24091; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a43.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.235]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA29272; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:55:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35ACA6C0.94650CEC@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:55:28 -0700 From: James J Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades References: <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:03:17 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >AFAIK most and all newer TP's are Y2K compliant.. > > > What about the OSes? I know OS/2 Warp 3 (FP32) and Warp 4 (FP5) and I think > Linux are, but what about NT and 95? There is a Y2K page at Microsoft. This is what I got back when I checked there earlier: WindowsNT 4.0: Y2K with exceptions (and the list is lengthy). Windows95(OSR2.5): Y2K. Some earlier Windows95 applications may not be compliant. Windows98: Y2K with exceptions. Very interesting. BTW, all of my software is Y2K compliant, but I'm not using MS Office... James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 09:29:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24386 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25806; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:26:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25617; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp02.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25603; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-095.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-095.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.95]) by smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id WAA23888; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:26:12 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: Thinkpad List Cc: James J Mckenzie , "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:16:54 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan Reply-To: "Stephen A. Carter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com> <35ACA6C0.94650CEC@theriver.com> In-Reply-To: <35ACA6C0.94650CEC@theriver.com> Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In message <35ACA6C0.94650CEC@theriver.com>, James J Mckenzie wrote: >There is a Y2K page at Microsoft. This is what I got back when I >checked there earlier: > >WindowsNT 4.0: Y2K with exceptions (and the list is lengthy). >Windows95(OSR2.5): Y2K. Some earlier Windows95 applications may not be >compliant. >Windows98: Y2K with exceptions. > >Very interesting. It sure is interesting. I don't doubt that's what *you* found at Microsoft, but the Microsoft Y2K page that *I* managed to find, dated April 15, 1998, pointed me to a file at that says Windows 95 v. 4.00.950 is "Compliant with minor issues." It makes no mention of OSR2.5. Who knows what the truth is. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD Be labz 9 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 11:08:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25899 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00479; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:59:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29807; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29793; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (va160.idsonline.com [205.177.128.160]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13140; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01bdaf9f$b55be000$a080b1cd@asalzberg> From: "Arthur J. Salzberg" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: Re: TP 770ED, Win98 and ACPI Resume Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:21:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: Arthur J. Salzberg Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 12:42 AM Subject: Re: TP 770ED, Win98 and ACPI Resume >Arthur.. >i think MS did not support ACPI the way it was written..! >there is a document i posted on my web site which talks about this vis-a-vis the >770ED.. >for now, use APM.. > Hi Bill! You are right, APM only, and sadly I found out the hard way, after wasting week trying to get ACPI suspend/resume to work. I still don't understand why IBM's Web site and its tech support didn't make that information clearer, but I suppose they will eventually, or just fix the problem. Next time, I'll go to your web page (now bookmarked!) first. best regards/ Arthur Salzberg From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 11:13:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25998 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00964; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:09:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00591; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00578; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (va160.idsonline.com [205.177.128.160]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13620; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <008201bdafa0$e3ba2fa0$a080b1cd@asalzberg> From: "Arthur J. Salzberg" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: Re: TP 770ED, Win98 and ACPI Resume Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:29:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Paul! It stands for "Advanced Configuration Power Interface", and is part of MS's "On Now" campaign. You can read about it at http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12e22.html and on MS's knowledge base. "Who is wise? The one who learns from all." Ben Zoma -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: Arthur J. Salzberg ; Bill Morrow Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:45 AM Subject: Re: TP 770ED, Win98 and ACPI Resume >On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:52:42 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>Arthur.. >>i think MS did not support ACPI the way it was written..! >>there is a document i posted on my web site which talks about this vis-a-vis the >>770ED.. >>for now, use APM.. > >What is ACPI anyways? Another MS standard? I've never heard of it. > >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 >Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 >ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 12:35:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27446 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05894; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:32:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05587; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05575; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03579; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09590; Wed, 15 Jul 98 12:34:48 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA09658; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:34:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Emanuel Brown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 and heat In-Reply-To: <35ad9491.4306366@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:51:50 -0400 (EDT), John Kim > wrote: > >As has been discussed here quite often, Windows 95 fails to use > >the halt command built into all modern processors. As a result, > >the CPU runs at full speed even when idle, and generates excess > >heat. People running Linux, OS/2, and NT have all reported much > >cooler laptops than people running Win95. There are supposed to > >be utilities around for Win95 which idle the CPU, but others > >have reported stability concerns. > > Can you say what sort of stability concerns? I've been trying these > out on my machine a week each, and I'm on my 3rd one. The week before Like I said, others have reported stability problems. I don't use Win95 on my laptop, so I can't personally attest to the matter. Didn't the topic come up on this list a month ago? -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 12:54:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27717 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07070; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:51:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06844; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smh-mail.smh.com (smh-mail.smh.com [204.5.150.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06803; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ccMail by smh-mail.smh.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00042476; Wed, 15 Jul 98 12:43:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: <00042476.CE21223@smh.com> Subject: Re[2]: TP 600 Pricing To: letoured@sover.net, Bill Morrow Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been waiting for a price drop AND the availability of a DVD option in place of the CD-ROM. I remember the IBM web site saying it would be available in June. Anybody have any info on that? Also, the $4300 price is about where it's been since intro. Hasn't Intel dropped the price of the "chip" a couple of hundred dollars since then? Regards, Neil Halvey Thinkpad 560 Thinkpad 701C ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: TP 600 Pricing Author: Bill Morrow at Internet Date: 7/15/98 2:04 AM CDW has about 30 at about $4300 ask for sharmel.. letoured@sover.net wrote: > A few weeks back someone said they were seeing lower prices on the TP 600. > --I'm ready to buy, but I don't see any change in the price since > introduction. > > Has anyone noticed any reductions? > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > letoured@sover.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 13:17:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28178 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08396; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:13:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08123; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08106; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls-dhcp-7.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA12219; Wed, 15 Jul 98 13:12:50 EDT Message-Id: <35ACE30F.6D816AB0@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:12:48 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen A. Carter" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Paul Khoury Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades References: <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When you install Win98, it says in big letters that it is Y2K compliant. Whether they are telling the truth (or are competent) is another matter. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 13:19:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28195 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08677; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:15:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08322; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08264; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls-dhcp-7.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA12231; Wed, 15 Jul 98 13:15:07 EDT Message-Id: <35ACE398.F2DFE9E4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:15:04 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 and heat References: <35ad9491.4306366@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu With rain or waterfall (I can't remember which or maybe both), I had some Win95 instability. Things like button clicks in Netscape Communicator 4.05 behaved strangely. Removing rain/waterfall removed that particular instability. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 13:40:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28682 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10060; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:35:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09774; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.hd.ibm.de (firewall.hd.ibm.de [192.101.197.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09761; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com by firewall.hd.ibm.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03/TWS 4.03.3-cherub) id AA06846; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:30:26 +0200 Received: from pool6.heidelbg.ibm.com (pool6.heidelbg.ibm.com [9.228.3.106]) by mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.4-mailserver) with ESMTP id TAA29256 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:34:29 +0200 (MSZ) Received: (from krumeich@localhost) by pool6.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.2-pool) id TAA38294; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:34:28 +0200 (MSZ) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:34:28 +0200 (MSZ) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com To: ThinkPad List Subject: [TP600] Accelerated X and mouse pointer Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, once again I hope that someone on this list can share some valuable experiences... :-) Linux is now running happily on my ThinkPad 600. After installing an additional 32 MB DIMM it compiles a kernel in under 5 minutes. So far so good: I also run Accelerated X 4.1 on this machine (all patches installed). Unfortunately, the X server won't display a proper mouse pointer. All I get instead is a blurred square of about 100x100 pixels. This thingy behaves just like the mouse -- if you can make out the sensitive spot, that is. I tried to set FBOnly = YES in /etc/Xaccel.ini and it worked, at least sort of. I get the mouse pointer -- but at the expense of an incredibly slow, unaccelerated X server that feels slower than an old ET4000 ISA card way back. This is too slow to do anything serious in there. Any suggestions? Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 13:47:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28815 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10600; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:44:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10379; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10349; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg134-101.ricochet.net [204.179.134.101]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05740 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:44:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807151744.MAA05740@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:42:55 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: thinkpad 600 and heat In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Scott A. Dubler wrote: >> I was playing around with my mother's new Powerbook G3 last night and was very impressed with its display and performance but was disappointed with how hot the case got. It was almost too hot to touch in certain spots. . . << I wrote: >> I've had the TP600 PII-266 model for ten weeks and it has been running continuously (not in standby or anything) most of that time. The bottom of the case gets slightly warm but not at all hot. << John Kim wrote: >> As has been discussed here quite often, Windows 95 fails to use the halt command built into all modern processors. As a result, the CPU runs at full speed even when idle, and generates excess heat. People running Linux, OS/2, and NT have all reported much cooler laptops than people running Win95. There are supposed to be utilities around for Win95 which idle the CPU, but others have reported stability concerns. << I am using NT4 on my TP600, but it ran plenty cool under Windows 95 as well. You have me curious now: I think I'll boot up a DOS floppy tonight and let it sit at the full-steam-ahead CPU-burning DOS prompt. Then I'll have a good idea of whether NT is helping. In any case, both my 600 and 760E are running NT4, and the difference between them is dramatic. The bottom of the 600 is comfortably warm, with no hot spots. The 760E gets much hotter--I'd never set it on my bare legs like I have the 600. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 17:37:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA03083 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21276; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:32:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21062; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21050; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id QAA17044 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:32:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807152132.QAA17044@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: [TP560x] small carry case/security? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:32:34 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hiya, I finally received my new TP 560x today ... I plan to blow away one of the 2GB partitions and install Linux on it. Win95 can continue to live on the other for a while. (If you've installed Linux on this machine and like to share your experience with me, I'd love to hear >from you). I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a small carrying/slip case for this computer? I don't want anything big or bulky, but something that will give some measure of protection while inside a backpack or shoulder bag and keep the dust out. The TP will for the most part be hauled around campus in a backpack and at times I'll be on a bike. Does something like a kensington (?) wetsuit make sense? Also, as the portability of this unit sinks in, so does the realization that someone else might want to walk off with it. What if I'm working away in a coffee house and nature calls? Am I destined to take the machine with me? What do people do? I don't want to sound paranoid, but 4lbs isn't that much, and I've just established yet another close and longterm relationship with my credit card company for it. Thanks, Esmail (novice portable computer owner) ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 18:07:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03676 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22665; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:03:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22431; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [166.84.1.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22418; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix3.panix.com (yd1XEq2pGbD7heCgy6VDmHIi7gYdIIQT@panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.68]) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.8.8/PanixU1.4) with SMTP id SAA03985; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807152203.SAA03985@panix4.panix.com> To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] small carry case/security? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:32:34 CDT." <199807152132.QAA17044@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:03:27 -0400 From: Mark Bergman Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In your message dated: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:32:34 CDT, your pithy ruminations on <[TP560x] small carry case/security?> were: => Hiya, => => The TP will for the most part be hauled around campus in a backpack => and at times I'll be on a bike. Does something like a kensington (?) => wetsuit make sense? I've got a Kensington Wetsuit for just the same purpose. It's very tight on my TP600--not enough room for the charger in the case, much less the external floppy, but it's just the kind of bump'n'bang protection I wanted without being a case that weighs more than the computer. => => Also, as the portability of this unit sinks in, so does the => realization that someone else might want to walk off with it. What if => I'm working away in a coffee house and nature calls? Am I destined to => take the machine with me? What do people do? I don't want to sound => paranoid, but 4lbs isn't that much, and I've just established yet => another close and longterm relationship with my credit card company => for it. 4 choices... Take it with you always (makes those bathroom breaks more productive :) Get one of the cable locks. I though someone made one that self-coiled into a case about the size of a cigarette pack, but I couldn't find it so I may be wrong (anyone know of such a thing?). Good for use in a hotel room. Lock the machine to the water pipes. Of course, anyone determined to steal it can cut through the cable, but it no longer becomes somthing to just pick up and walk away with. Someone (I can't remember the name of the company) made small (again, cigarette-pack sized) motion detectors designed to protect laptops. Typically, you'd place it on the laptop/attach it to the laptop, and arm it via a telephone-style keypad. Move the little box and it starts screaming. Good for use in, say, a library, where the noise would be obvious and you'd only be leaving the machine for a moment. Rely upon the kindness of strangers... => => Thanks, => Esmail (novice portable computer owner) => ---- => Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Unix mechanic 718-855-9148 bergman@panix.com {cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 18:14:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03812 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23198; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:10:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22866; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22845; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ankle.uplanet.com (host-189-2.uplanet.com [208.232.189.2]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02669; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jesse@localhost) by ankle.uplanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA05715; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:19 -0700 Message-ID: <19980715151217.11691@ankle.uplanet.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:17 -0700 From: jesse@spine.com To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] small carry case/security? Reply-To: jesse@spine.com Mail-Followup-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu References: <199807152132.QAA17044@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199807152132.QAA17044@server.cs.uiowa.edu>; from Esmail Bonakdarian on Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 04:32:34PM -0500 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 04:32:34PM -0500, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > I finally received my new TP 560x today ... I plan to blow away one > of the 2GB partitions and install Linux on it. Win95 can continue to > live on the other for a while. (If you've installed Linux on this > machine and like to share your experience with me, I'd love to hear > from you). I just went linux on my 560 (not 560x) and found what I needed config-wise at linux.org and a few dejanews searches. Went pretty smoothly (I used the latest slackware) > I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a small > carrying/slip case for this computer? I don't want anything big or > bulky, but something that will give some measure of protection while > inside a backpack or shoulder bag and keep the dust out. > > The TP will for the most part be hauled around campus in a backpack > and at times I'll be on a bike. Does something like a kensington (?) > wetsuit make sense? I have a wetsuit for mine, works out pretty well: http://www.spine.com/wetsuit.jpg One of my favorite carrying solutions is the wetsuit inside a big fannypack (from REI), I'll never use a shoulder-case for long periods again! (travelling, trade-shows, etc) The side-pouch on the wetsuit is just big enough for a battery, cellphone, power supply and a few other small bits. It's made by silicon sports, are you sure that's not the one you mean? > Also, as the portability of this unit sinks in, so does the > realization that someone else might want to walk off with it. What if > I'm working away in a coffee house and nature calls? Am I destined to > take the machine with me? What do people do? I don't want to sound > paranoid, but 4lbs isn't that much, and I've just established yet > another close and longterm relationship with my credit card company > for it. I think most of us can sympathize, I go through the same worries. Personally, mine comes with me to the bathroom. There are various laptop alarms available, using motion-sensing, lock to a table-leg, proximity to an RF unit in your pocket, etc. Anyone want to share experiences with such devices? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 18:16:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03840 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23536; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:12:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23055; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23041; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-132.usc.edu [128.125.223.132]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA23012; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807152212.PAA23012@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:10:02 -0700 To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP560x] small carry case/security? Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <199807152132.QAA17044@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:32 PM 7/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a small >carrying/slip case for this computer? I don't want anything big or >bulky, but something that will give some measure of protection while >inside a backpack or shoulder bag and keep the dust out. > >The TP will for the most part be hauled around campus in a backpack >and at times I'll be on a bike. Does something like a kensington (?) >wetsuit make sense? Personally, I think you'd be better off with a new backpack than buying a case. Sometime back, I bought a backpack that had a special padded compartment for a notebook machine. With the compartment dedicated to the PC, other issues of protecting it from the rest of the bag's contents were eliminated, and padding protection was added to boot. I don't know the name brand of what I've got (doesn't say it anywhere on it), but its very well made. I'm sure there are others that are similar. In particular, one briefcase-style PC bag I have is made by Port, which is unmatched in its "sling" system for protecting your notebook from the shock of a dropped bag (ordinary foam rubber padding doesn't do it as well as Port's "sling"). They make a backpack version too. >Also, as the portability of this unit sinks in, so does the >realization that someone else might want to walk off with it. What if >I'm working away in a coffee house and nature calls? Am I destined to >take the machine with me? What do people do? I don't want to sound >paranoid, but 4lbs isn't that much, and I've just established yet >another close and longterm relationship with my credit card company >for it. Your paranoia is quite justified. The 560 in particular is a light, wonderful machine that just about anyone would love to have--at your expense, if you're stupid enough to leave it laying around. Take it with you. I wouldn't trust a Kensington cable lock in a public place or anything else for that matter. Bring it to the potty, grab a stall, and sit there with it on your lap. The price you pay for portability is the same price you pay for security. If its easy to carry around, its also easy to steal. --- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "It is hard to convince a high-school student that he will encounter a lot of problems more difficult than those of algebra and geometry," -- Edgar W. Howe in "Country Town Sayings", 1911. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 18:20:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03878 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24007; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:15:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23501; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23436; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id RAA19219; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:15:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807152215.RAA19219@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560x] small carry case/security? To: jesse@spine.com Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:15:20 -0500 (CDT) Cc: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: <19980715151217.11691@ankle.uplanet.com> from "jesse@spine.com" at Jul 15, 98 03:12:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu jesse@spine.com writes: > > > and at times I'll be on a bike. Does something like a kensington (?) > > wetsuit make sense? > > I have a wetsuit for mine, works out pretty well: > > http://www.spine.com/wetsuit.jpg Cool... Do they come in different sizes? What size is good for the 560/560x? > One of my favorite carrying solutions is the wetsuit inside a big > fannypack (from REI), I'll never use a shoulder-case for long periods > again! (travelling, trade-shows, etc) > > The side-pouch on the wetsuit is just big enough for a battery, > cellphone, power supply and a few other small bits. > > It's made by silicon sports, are you sure that's not the one you mean? Not really sure who makes them...I was just guessing. > I think most of us can sympathize, I go through the same worries. > Personally, mine comes with me to the bathroom. There are various Yeah, I guess mine might have to also ... Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 19:06:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04440 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25685; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:02:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25498; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25477; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA02389; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:06:31 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Bill Morrow cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery In-Reply-To: <35AC4114.D7ACE4FF@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > HUH..?? > are we talking about thinkpads here.. We were talking about attaching an ~800MB notebook hard drive to a desktop desktop for data recovery. > if so, i have a 750C (486-33SL) that i use to setup 5.1gig, IBM travelstar HDD's.. > works fine, though it IS a bit slower than the 760ED.. Many '486 class systems were made when IDE only went up to 540MB and did not have BIOS support for large drives. More recent '486 systems have a BIOS that can handle much larger drives. Typically 8GB max. The CPU is not the limiting factor, but a general indication of the era a system was made which gives strong hints about the drive sizes supported. You 750C either has BIOS support for <540MB drives [unusual for its class] or was running disk manager type software which replaces the BIOS IDE drive handling routines. I owned a '486 mobo about 4 years ago that handled large IDE drives fine. I've also worked on a dozen or more '486 class systems and most older ones couldn't handle larger IDE drives, while most newer ones could. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 21:55:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06569 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00789; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:52:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00631; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00619; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA24028; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:58 -1000 Message-ID: <004501bdb05c$77be9360$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [TP560x] small carry case/security? Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:53:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Do they come in different sizes? What size is good for the 560/560x? You want a Wetsuit 1.0 for your 560. BTW, Silicon Sports is owned by Kensington Microware, which I think might be owned by Acco these days. Anyway, I don't think they actually manufacture this case anymore - it has been off their website for months - but it is still widely available and well worth it. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 15 22:12:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06772 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01481; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:08:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01335; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01323; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a74.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.74]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA06893; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807160208.WAA06893@pike.sover.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 21:59:43 -0400 To: cornelius-halvey@smh.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <00042476.CE21223@smh.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP 600 Pricing X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I> I've been waiting for a price drop AND the availability of a DVD > option in place of the CD-ROM. I remember the IBM web site saying >it would be available in June. Anybody have any info on that? Also, >the $4300 price is about where it's been since intro. Hasn't Intel >dropped the price of the "chip" a couple of hundred dollars since then? I think its been around $4300 for the PII 266 since introduction too. That's why I was asking if anyone has seen any lower prices. I could get over that much for one with just a bit more, like the 6.1 gig drive, but its just a bit too high compared to the competition. --I suppose business purchasers don't quibble, but when its from your own pocket you think more. I seem to remember priced reductions coming in August for the past couple of years, so I'll wait a bit. letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 01:11:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09174 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06203; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:08:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06045; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from parsys.eecs.uic.edu (parsys.eecs.uic.edu [131.193.39.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06033; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlanta.ParSysLab (atlanta.eecs.uic.edu [131.193.39.119]) by parsys.eecs.uic.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA14991; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:09:58 -0500 Received: from localhost by atlanta.ParSysLab (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA20188; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:08:38 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: solworth@parsys.eecs.uic.edu Subject: using installed memory X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92 on Emacs 20.2 / Mule 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980716000837G.solworth@parsys.eecs.uic.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:08:37 -0500 From: Jon Solworth X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 8 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a TP 770E, and today I installed two 64 MB dimms. The thinkpad bios reports 128MB available, 160MB installed. The computer reports 128MB on boot. Where has the 32MB gone, and how do I get it back? Jon From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 02:03:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10202 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07593; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:00:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07371; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07359; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p26.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.160]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA25061; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807160554.WAA25061@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Stephen A. Carter" Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 09:47:47 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:59:56 +0900, Stephen A. Carter wrote: >In article <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com>, Paul Khoury wrote >(re compliance with Y2K issues): >>What about the OSes? I know OS/2 Warp 3 (FP32) and Warp 4 (FP5) and I think >>Linux are, but what about NT and 95? > >Windows 95 isn't, nor is Windows 98. Microsoft says that Windows NT >is except for "some issues" (which means it isn't.) I knew it. :) Any other OSes on our ThinkPads that will have trouble? What about those with Solaris 2.5 and 2.6? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 02:04:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10212 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07689; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:01:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07407; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07395; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p26.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.160]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA25053; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807160554.WAA25053@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "os2support@theriver.com" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 09:46:22 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:55:28 -0700, James J Mckenzie wrote: >Paul Khoury wrote: >> >> On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:03:17 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >> >> >AFAIK most and all newer TP's are Y2K compliant.. >> > >> What about the OSes? I know OS/2 Warp 3 (FP32) and Warp 4 (FP5) and I think >> Linux are, but what about NT and 95? > > >There is a Y2K page at Microsoft. This is what I got back when I >checked there earlier: > >WindowsNT 4.0: Y2K with exceptions (and the list is lengthy). >Windows95(OSR2.5): Y2K. Some earlier Windows95 applications may not be >compliant. >Windows98: Y2K with exceptions. > >Very interesting. BTW, all of my software is Y2K compliant, but I'm not >using MS Office... > What about Windows 95 OSR1? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 03:31:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA11187 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13472; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:28:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13128; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13116; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA25103; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:28:26 -1000 Message-ID: <001701bdb08b$7a9575c0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , , "Thinkpad List" Subject: [TPnone] Was: Re: Y2K bios upgrades Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:29:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >What about Windows 95 OSR1? The site http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9807/15/readyfor2000.idg/ has information on this, as well as a link to a discussion of Office95/97 (non)compliance. I used to have a link to a program that would check BIOS compliance, but the link seems to be dead. If I can find the program again and there is interest I'll let people know where it is. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 04:02:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA11570 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17265; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:00:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17039; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.hd.ibm.de (firewall.hd.ibm.de [192.101.197.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17017; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com by firewall.hd.ibm.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03/TWS 4.03.3-cherub) id AA07804; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:55:20 +0200 Received: from pool6.heidelbg.ibm.com (pool6.heidelbg.ibm.com [9.228.3.106]) by mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.4-mailserver) with ESMTP id JAA26262 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:59:25 +0200 (MSZ) Received: (from krumeich@localhost) by pool6.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.2-pool) id JAA36160; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:59:24 +0200 (MSZ) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:59:23 +0200 (MSZ) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com To: ThinkPad List Subject: [tp600] Problems with Accelerated X Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi there, thanks for your help with the Accelerated X glitch I reported yesterday. The answer by xig's tech support provided the solution. I added softwarecursor = yes; to the [Screen] section of /etc/Xaccel.ini and the problem was gone. Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 05:44:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA12479 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24832; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:38:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24717; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24705; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:38:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JES560e@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id PANMa11436; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <369ea394.35adc9b0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:36:46 EDT To: pkhoury@loop.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad List) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a message dated 7/16/1998 2:03:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pkhoury@loop.com writes: << What about Windows 95 OSR1? >> Test for year 2000 problem at: http://www.rightime.com/ This program will work properly under DOS through Windows 95. ****************************************** Also, find Answers at the Microsoft Year 2000 Resource Center: http://www.microsoft.com/ithome/topics/year2k/default.htm Check out the Year 2000 compliance status of specific Microsoft products, plus more information to help organizations remedy this worldwide problem. John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 07:41:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA13574 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29014; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:38:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28796; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28784; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 158.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.158]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980716113758.BRMC10099@158.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:37:58 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] small carry case/security? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:38:24 GMT Message-ID: <35b12be2.7157140@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199807152132.QAA17044@server.cs.uiowa.edu> In-Reply-To: <199807152132.QAA17044@server.cs.uiowa.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:32:34 -0500 (CDT), Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: >Also, as the portability of this unit sinks in, so does the >realization that someone else might want to walk off with it. What if >I'm working away in a coffee house and nature calls? Am I destined to >take the machine with me? What do people do? I don't want to sound >paranoid, but 4lbs isn't that much, and I've just established yet >another close and longterm relationship with my credit card company >for it. I recommend the case I got from Microwarehouse (www.microwarehouse.com). They've got a case made for the 560 that's a lightweight briefcase, but it also includes a portfolio type case for the 560 which I use when I want to just toss the thing into a backpack. It cost a little over $100. As for bathroom procedure, I make sure mine never leaves my sight. If I go back to the counter, or to the john, I take it with me unless I've left a friend at the table or I'm close enough to catch anyone I see pick it up (farther than most folks - I've got long legs and I'm spry :) epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 09:18:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14586 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06129; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05933; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05911; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA18782; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:13:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:13:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: ThinkPads, year 2000 compliance, and Solaris In-Reply-To: <199807160554.WAA25061@patty.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wednesday, 15th July 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Any other OSes on our ThinkPads that will have trouble? > > What about those with Solaris 2.5 and 2.6? Solaris 2.6 is Y2K-compliant. Solaris 2.5.1, 2.5, and 2.4 are Y2K-compliant once their respective "Recommended" patch set and "y2000" patch set have been installed (in that order). -- Christian CAREY From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 09:20:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14631 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06434; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:17:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06098; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06082; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pula (slip129-37-158-123.on.ca.ibm.net [129.37.158.123]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA110342; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:17:26 GMT Reply-To: From: "Tim Hermans" To: Cc: "Jon Solworth" Subject: RE: using installed memory Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:17:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdb0bc$138893e0$f001000a@pula> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19980716000837G.solworth@parsys.eecs.uic.edu> Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have exactly the same thing on my TP600. IBM Support refused to help because I am using third party memory. I wonder if that could be the problem somehow? Jon Solworth writes... > > > I have a TP 770E, and today I installed two 64 MB dimms. > The thinkpad bios reports 128MB available, 160MB installed. The > computer reports 128MB on boot. Where has the 32MB gone, and how > do I get it back? > > Jon > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 10:29:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15511 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09719; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:26:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09539; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09521; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p30.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.164]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA13282; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807161420.HAA13282@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Parker" Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 23:24:58 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:06:30 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > >> HUH..?? >> are we talking about thinkpads here.. > > We were talking about attaching an ~800MB notebook hard drive to a >desktop desktop for data recovery. > >> if so, i have a 750C (486-33SL) that i use to setup 5.1gig, IBM travelstar HDD's.. >> works fine, though it IS a bit slower than the 760ED.. > > Many '486 class systems were made when IDE only went up to 540MB and did >not have BIOS support for large drives. More recent '486 systems have a >BIOS that can handle much larger drives. Typically 8GB max. The CPU is >not the limiting factor, but a general indication of the era a system was >made which gives strong hints about the drive sizes supported. You 750C >either has BIOS support for <540MB drives [unusual for its class] or was >running disk manager type software which replaces the BIOS IDE drive >handling routines. I owned a '486 mobo about 4 years ago that handled >large IDE drives fine. I've also worked on a dozen or more '486 class >systems and most older ones couldn't handle larger IDE drives, while most >newer ones could. > Usually, a BIOS upgrade would help. In fact, some catalogs have 8 bit ISA cards that have extensions to the BIOS to support larger IDE drives. The only interesting thing I find is that SCSI never had this problem, yet they had to have a limitiation with IDE... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.x, Sun Solaris 2.4, and Newton OS x.x ICQ#14582895 -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.x, Sun Solaris 2.4, and Newton OS x.x ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 10:35:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15627 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10281; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:33:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10077; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10065; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (ppp14.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:32:37 PST From: "peter machule" To: , , Subject: Tp pricing news ! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <01bdb08b$709e30c0$5c645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9807/15/notebook.idg/ ...peter... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 10:53:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15827 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11244; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:50:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11070; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11051; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00738 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BDB0A7.9C8D60E0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:50:56 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB0A7.9C8D60E0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: [TP560x] small carry case/security? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:35:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, % As for bathroom procedure, I make sure mine never leaves my sight. %If I go back to the counter, or to the john, I take it with me unless %I've left a friend at the table or I'm close enough to catch anyone I %see pick it up (farther than most folks - I've got long legs and I'm %spry :) % epbrown the problem with "close enough" is that a thief only needs a bag big enough to fit the thinkpad. that's how I had a camara bag stolen - it was big and conspicuous, but that doesn't help as soon as it is inside of another backpack or duffel bag. then the thief doesn't even have to leave the room... a friend who leaves his 'pad in the office, which is semi-secure, got one of the kensington locks. they are just about universal for laptops, cost about $40, and you can string the wire around anything sufficiently big. it will discourage the quick grab, no the determined thief, but you can't just grab and run. axel ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 11:14:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16111 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12389; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:10:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12148; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12135; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08160; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA04271; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: Axel Hartmann cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: [TP560x] small carry case/security? In-Reply-To: <01BDB0A7.9C8D60E0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Axel Hartmann wrote: > one of the kensington locks. they are just about universal for laptops, > cost about $40, and you can string the wire around anything sufficiently > big. it will discourage the quick grab, no the determined thief, but you > can't just grab and run. > I use one of these. If someone sees someone else messing with the cable they know something is wrong. But if they just see someone turn off a unit and pack it up they may not say anything because they aren't sure. They cable buys me a couple of minutes and the notice of other folks. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 11:40:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16559 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13988; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:37:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13791; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13779; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27572; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:37:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Tim Hermans cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Jon Solworth Subject: RE: using installed memory In-Reply-To: <000101bdb0bc$138893e0$f001000a@pula> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Some interim machines disable the memory onboard when you add new memory... some are limited on what their maximum A lot of the memory web sites have a little display that will come up for your particular model describing what is going on in your machine. It usually has absolutely nothing to do with what third party memory is installed, but what the maximum allowable was when IBM released your particular machine. Some machines disable 8 Mb, some disable 16 Mb, some 32 mb... and of course most disable none... if they are newest models... If you own a very new machine, I suggest you get somebody to trade out for official memory to test it, then call IBM when you know it does the same thing with IBM memory. > > I have a TP 770E, and today I installed two 64 MB dimms. > > The thinkpad bios reports 128MB available, 160MB installed. The > > computer reports 128MB on boot. Where has the 32MB gone, and how > > do I get it back? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 11:42:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16584 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13638; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13468; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13456; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg131-168.ricochet.net [204.179.131.168]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA19989 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007501bdb0cf$5408bea0$a883b3cc@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Wedge for TP600... Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:35:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01BDB094.A5F04FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01BDB094.A5F04FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am I going insane or do I remember seeing a product that would provide a = subtle lift at the back for ThinkPads? As you may know the ThinkPad 600 has no "feet" at the back to raise the = typing position like some other laptop brands. Does anyone know of any = manufacturer which makes a thing like a mouse pad but designed to place = a ThinkPad at a better angle? 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------=_NextPart_000_0072_01BDB094.A5F04FC0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 12:53:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17806 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17708; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:48:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17537; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17525; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg134-101.ricochet.net [204.179.134.101]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04512 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:48:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807161648.LAA04512@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:48:12 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Thu, 16 Jul 1998 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mark Bergman wrote: >> Get one of the cable locks. I though someone made one that self-coiled into a case about the size of a cigarette pack, but I couldn't find it so I may be wrong (anyone know of such a thing?). Good for use in a hotel room. Lock the machine to the water pipes. Of course, anyone determined to steal it can cut through the cable, but it no longer becomes somthing to just pick up and walk away with. << >> Someone (I can't remember the name of the company) made small (again, cigarette-pack sized) motion detectors designed to protect laptops. Typically, you'd place it on the laptop/attach it to the laptop, and arm it via a telephone-style keypad. Move the little box and it starts screaming. Good for use in, say, a library, where the noise would be obvious and you'd only be leaving the machine for a moment. << Those two are the same item: the Defcon 1 from Port. I have one; it's OK, but not really a very well-thought-out product. Typical from Port, who makes that lousy "sling" case that's *designed* to damage your notebook as it did my TP600. It has an alarm that goes off if someone cuts the cable. Or you can set it for motion sensing, but the default setting is MUCH too sensitive, and you have to remember each time you arm it how to switch to the less-sensitive setting. The piece that plugs into the notebooks security slot is a separate little gizmo that is easy to lose, and seems to have a very loose fit. I'll bet somebody could pull it out of the notebook with only minor cosmetic damage. >> Rely upon the kindness of strangers... << Or hang out at a place that police officers frequent. (Oh: more about the Port sling case. If you have one, take a look at how there is nothing separating the sling buckles from the top of your notebook. Then envision what happens if you ever just once load up the outside pocket and inside file folder and transport the computer in the case sitting flat on the floor of your car. You get two big scratches in the top of the notebook. The idiots at Port could have rearranged the buckle system just slightly, so the buckles would be over that hard flap that's part of the sling, instead of over the unprotected notebook.) -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 13:26:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18321 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19730; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:23:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19546; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19534; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA09224 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Y2K, BIOS, OSen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Caldera's DR-DOS is Y2K compliant, even if your machine's BIOS is not, and it is free. Too bad Win95 won't run on it (not easily, anyway). Download it from www.caldera.com (Their ftp site doesn't require filling out any forms, but their web site does.) Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 13:44:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18618 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20838; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:39:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20624; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20611; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp.humana.com (msn-7-1.binc.net [205.173.178.112]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28350 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:39:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01bdb0e0$b1b90ee0$70b2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: using installed memory Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:39:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is very curious since IBM's specs on the 760 state specifically that 64Mb DIMMs are *not* supported. The maximum RAM is 104Mb and is achieved only with 8Mb disabled (via a switch on the DIMM adapter itself). Additionally, a special DIMM adapter is required to reach 104Mb (which entails using a 64Mb DIMM in one socket -- the only one of the two that will support a 64Mb DIMM). I would contact IBM Tech Support. It sounds like this configuration is *not* supported by the hardware. Also, there are a number of technical bulletins about the 760 series and memory configurations on IBM's site. You might want to check those out. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bayles To: Tim Hermans Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ; Jon Solworth Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:40 AM Subject: RE: using installed memory >Some interim machines disable the memory onboard when you >add new memory... some are limited on what their maximum >A lot of the memory web sites have a little display that >will come up for your particular model describing what >is going on in your machine. > >It usually has absolutely nothing to do with what third >party memory is installed, but what the maximum allowable >was when IBM released your particular machine. Some machines >disable 8 Mb, some disable 16 Mb, some 32 mb... and of course >most disable none... if they are newest models... > >If you own a very new machine, I suggest you get somebody to >trade out for official memory to test it, then call IBM when >you know it does the same thing with IBM memory. > > > >> > I have a TP 770E, and today I installed two 64 MB dimms. >> > The thinkpad bios reports 128MB available, 160MB installed. The >> > computer reports 128MB on boot. Where has the 32MB gone, and how >> > do I get it back? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 13:50:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18792 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21207; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:43:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21023; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21003; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp.humana.com (msn-7-1.binc.net [205.173.178.112]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA29108 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:42:47 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01bdb0e1$24c40c00$70b2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: using installed memory Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:42:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well I can tell you that my 770E has 160Mb of installed RAM and everything checks out "ok". It is IBM-brand memory. Also, the 770E/ED accept *only* SDRAM. EDO is *not* supported. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hermans To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Jon Solworth Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:22 AM Subject: RE: using installed memory >I have exactly the same thing on my TP600. IBM Support refused to help >because I am using third party memory. I wonder if that could be the >problem somehow? > >Jon Solworth writes... >> >> >> I have a TP 770E, and today I installed two 64 MB dimms. >> The thinkpad bios reports 128MB available, 160MB installed. The >> computer reports 128MB on boot. Where has the 32MB gone, and how >> do I get it back? >> >> Jon >> >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 13:54:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18819 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22066; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:49:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21583; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21563; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.137]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA13585; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807161741.KAA13585@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Arthur J. Salzberg" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 10:46:36 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 770ED, Win98 and ACPI Resume Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:29:50 -0400, Arthur J. Salzberg wrote: >Hello Paul! > >It stands for "Advanced Configuration Power Interface", and is part of MS's >"On Now" campaign. > >You can read about it at http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12e22.html and on >MS's knowledge base. > So it's a Microsoft software/hardware feature? Nothing expected to be ported to other OSes? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 13:54:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18826 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22106; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:50:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21627; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21599; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.137]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA13903; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807161743.KAA13903@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chris Schumann" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 10:48:38 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Y2K, BIOS, OSen Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0500 (CDT), Chris Schumann wrote: >Caldera's DR-DOS is Y2K compliant, even if your machine's BIOS is not, and >it is free. Too bad Win95 won't run on it (not easily, anyway). > Plus, networking is VERY easy as well. I was using it on a network before I got my 12 port hub. As for Windows 95 running on it, I think they said on the website that it was done, but I don't remember seeing any other details. And I don't think it comes with APM for ThinkPads. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 15:21:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20349 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26794; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:17:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26629; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26616; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA26616; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:17:28 -1000 Message-ID: <002d01bdb0ee$87a6c300$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: Subject: Re: [TP560x] small carry case/security? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:18:29 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A source of a Kensington-compatible cable which is slightly different than the one Kensington and Master make is available at http://www.a2zsolutions.com/ (who BTW currently have on sale a fabric laptop carrier which doubles as a laptop desk that attaches to your steering wheel - for all those times you just have to type while cruising down the highway - scary!) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 16:32:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21676 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00356; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:28:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00225; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00196; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-4.tiac.net (mail-out-4.tiac.net [199.0.65.16]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA30576 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:27:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-4.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA17005 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:27:05 GMT (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDB0D4.2653BFA0@ntmail.tiac.net>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:09:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: (General Ops) Thinkpading while Driving. Sccrreeecch! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:09:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I also notice you can get a mobile desk. Basically an arm that you attach one end to the floor(?? I think) of the passenger side and fasten the laptop to the platform on the other end of the arm. I was worried as well with all the horror stories of people shaving, reading magazines, or in general not paying attention while driving. I thought cellular phones are bad enough but these devices are calling trouble and inviting it in. > >A source of a Kensington-compatible cable which is slightly different than >the one Kensington and Master make is available at >http://www.a2zsolutions.com/ (who BTW currently have on sale a fabric laptop >carrier which doubles as a laptop desk that attaches to >your steering wheel - for all those times you just have to type while >cruising down the highway - scary!) > >David A. Ross >ross@math.hawaii.edu > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 17:19:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22630 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02980; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:16:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02814; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02793; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:16:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from Goodermote@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CWYa020982 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8d93e4a2.35ae6d98@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:16:07 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have just dragged my old ThinkPad 701cs out of the closet to give to a family member. It is running Windows 3.11. It has the minimum configuration to run Windows 98 and I would like to upgrade it. The question is, how best to do that. The particulars (from the configuration utility) are listed below: IBM ThinkPad 701cs 486DX4 Processor 16 MB RAM Cache 16 KB Windows 3.11 PC DOS 6.3 Bios Revision 12/15/95 (BUTUS30) Diagnostics Revision 11/22/95 (BFDUS1G) Hard Disk 540 MB Panasonic KXL-D740 4x CD-ROM running in one of the card slots Any help would be greatly appreciated! MG From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 18:33:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24065 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06550; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:30:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06285; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06273; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15763 invoked by uid 66); 16 Jul 1998 22:29:29 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 22:42 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: $1800 Thinkpad 770s at CompUSA To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ray Bayles (kglp@cia-g.com) wrote: > Do you know if the screen is the 800 x 600 or > the 1080 x 700 or the 1200 x 1080? none of these exist. All are 1024x768. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 18:59:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24569 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07851; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:56:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07627; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.webvis.net (mta@earth.webvis.net [207.226.179.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07615; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 600.myoffice.com ([210.24.82.21]) by earth.webvis.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-36477U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA23118 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:38:26 +0800 From: company@menard-cosmetics.com (Menard Cosmetics) To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Bag for TP 600 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:00:13 +0800 Message-ID: <001f01bdb10d$7db8dbc0$032aa8c0@600.myoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am looking for a bag for my TP600. I only need to carry the TP, the adaptor and little else. What would be a recommended bag for my purpose? I had small and light in mind... :) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 19:00:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24578 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08043; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:57:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07668; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07652; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA04180; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:01:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery In-Reply-To: <199807161420.HAA13282@patty.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Usually, a BIOS upgrade would help. IF available. Usually they cost as much as a new motherboard if you can even find one. > In fact, some catalogs have 8 bit ISA cards > that have extensions to the BIOS to support larger IDE drives. True, but at what cost? > The only interesting thing I find is that SCSI never had this problem, yet they had to > have a limitiation with IDE... Before you get too smug I hope you realize that many SCSI adapters have an 8GB limit. I've seen lower GB limits on various SCSI adapters over the years. You could also say that IDE doesn't have this limit, just the BIOS implementation does. Right now many systems are bumping up against an 8GB-10GB IDE limit. It's not IDE that is limited, it is the older BIOS that isn't bright enough to talk to bigger drives. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 19:12:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24877 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08812; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:10:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08573; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08561; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA00007; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:09:56 -1000 Message-ID: <003b01bdb10f$01996da0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Steve Parker" , "Paul Khoury" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:10:58 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> In fact, some catalogs have 8 bit ISA cards >> that have extensions to the BIOS to support larger IDE drives. > > True, but at what cost? LBA can also be implemented in software; some drive manufacturers (e.g. WD) supply such software as part of the retail packaging of their larger drives. I don't know if this is true for laptop drives as well. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 21:06:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26562 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11792; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:02:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11547; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11534; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA00457; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:06:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: David Ross cc: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery In-Reply-To: <003b01bdb10f$01996da0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, David Ross wrote: > LBA can also be implemented in software; some drive manufacturers (e.g. WD) supply such software as part of the retail packaging of > their larger drives. I don't know if this is true for laptop drives as well. Yes, it is a software BIOS extension that loads from the bootsector of your hard drive. It replaces the normal bootsector and then after replacing the standard BIOS drive controller routines goes on and loads the "normal" bootsector which gets stored elsewhere. They usually work, but are also known for causing compatibility problems. Seagate's Disk Manager is another example of such products. They are often not friendly to unusual setups and non-MS OS systems. The real proper fix is to have an up to date BIOS. I've dealt with enough systems to really hate having to resort to a "disk Manager" type product. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 21:30:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26830 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12763; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:27:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12593; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12581; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:27:16 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (midtown-dnnqv-082.ny.compuserve.net [209.154.77.82] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id VAA06406; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980716182628.008196a0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:26:28 -0400 To: From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <8d93e4a2.35ae6d98@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 05:16 PM 7/16/98 EDT, Goodermote@aol.com wrote: It has the minimum configuration to >run Windows 98 and I would like to upgrade it. In my experience, if you have the "minimum configuration", then you can expect "minimum performance". That level may or may not be acceptable, depending on your needs. >The question is, how best to do that. Depends on what you want to do. I generally recommend a complete backup, in case there are files on the drive you might need, followed by FORMAT and complete re-install. That way, you get to clean out all of the miscellaneous cruft that tends to accumulate on Windows systems. >486DX4 Processor What speed? Doesn't really matter, I guess, since this isn't going to be your bottleneck. >16 MB RAM This is going to be your bottleneck. In fact, I can' imagine how you managed Win3.1 with just 16 Meg. >Hard Disk 540 MB I was thinking, the other day, about buying a Toshiba Libretto 50. That's the low-end model of a full Win95 PC barely larger than some of the WinCE machines out there, for about 2/3 the price. I thought that it might be cool to carry around instead of my 755CE for just simple stuff like Internet and CompuServe connectivity, and Microsoft Office. Well, after adding up the space used on my 755CE for my Windows directory, Office directory, and various communication software that I had intended to be portable on it, I came up with a figure dangerously close to the 800 Meg disk size that the 50 comes with. So much for that idea! What I'm trying to say is that you are unlikely to be able to do much with modern Win95 / Win98 versions of software with that hard drive. I'm thinking that the minimum size for the little bit I was looking at the Libretto for would be about 2 Gig. My 755CE currently has 5+ Gig, and I connect at "base camp" to a SCSI chain with another 7.5 Gig hard drive space (in two drives) plus 2.5 Gig of removable hard drive space (in two drives). I figure that within the next few months, the 1 Gig fixed will get replaced by either another 6.5 Gig fixed or perhaps something in the 9-12 Gig range. (sigh) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED, available from keyservers iQEVAwUBNa5+CeukCaFXG1W9AQGoQgf+OhD3rJ4gLPldSjjPeF6W1tn2p4Ehpg8z Q9U1UbXA8DN0eH4DvE0uAqQLL35FCLVLyHspUcoNaVCGd0bjvOfJoYdI6jiGGahO aSmKOrak3TM1Q2iPSWTmLe/ITHyygqOyqCRmgg6oDILFBR1jk7SFHXrCZiTDUp+v 3p6TX7UULeDhrHfmvsO7FhPJ6CYVaH8rTM7fKl00KegAhZA9/DqbmJOd7XFqVT5g fHoVrcux+ffdE8XiClGFd7httC5rfJDbMHBHkuD5M87maK5Qk4MKVFg5YPpkfKnt rzjdTgSWrqwz3Sq96mo3pozDToWxaXF/OjEY1mw7PHBjDgAsgDrmrA== =DrPD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 21:50:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27216 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13593; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:47:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13278; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.myna.com (smtp.tor.myna.net [205.206.174.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13266; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manson ([206.186.80.223]) by mail.myna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42626U10000L1000S0) with ESMTP id AAC281; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:47:05 -0400 From: "Manson Mak" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Linn Skipper" , "Rob Bell" Cc: Subject: Re: Running mouse pointer Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:10:31 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdb03d$617e4240$LocalHost@manson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hello I have this problem with external mouse that sometimes it would suddenly not respond to the external mouse , but the track point still move...i had to unplug and replug the external mouse to make it work again...anyone had similar problem manson -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: Linn Skipper ; Rob Bell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Running mouse pointer > >>Another mouse issue I've noticed is with the TrackPoint on several >>models (755Cs, 760EL, 770). Occasionally the pointer will start >>drifting slowly in a random direction. I usually rebooted on the older >>machines, but the 770 has drivers that auto-correct if you leave the >>TrackPoint alone for 2-3 seconds. >> >I think that this was common for all the Trackpoints, because >they'd need to adjust due to environmental issues. > >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server >Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 , Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 >ICQ#14582895 > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 16 23:43:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28981 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16810; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:40:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16626; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16614; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (242.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.242]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id XAA02474; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AEC80B.60E82B49@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:42:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades References: <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. i think win98 is.. seems logical.. :-) uhh.. well, ok, so it would be one of the few logical things about win9x... :-) just kidding Paul Khoury wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:03:17 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >AFAIK most and all newer TP's are Y2K compliant.. > > > What about the OSes? I know OS/2 Warp 3 (FP32) and Warp 4 (FP5) and I think > Linux are, but what about NT and 95? > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 on the LAN, and Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 > ICQ#14582895 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 00:01:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA29270 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17583; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:58:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17324; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17311; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (242.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.242]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id XAA06381; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AECC52.33D93924@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:00:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Goodermote@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs References: <8d93e4a2.35ae6d98@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu MG.. Goodermote@aol.com wrote: > I have just dragged my old ThinkPad 701cs out of the closet to give to a > family member. It is running Windows 3.11. It has the minimum configuration to > run Windows 98 and I would like to upgrade it. The question is, how best to do > that. The particulars (from the configuration utility) are listed below: > > IBM ThinkPad 701cs > 486DX4 Processor > you have a 486/75..is is about minimum for win98.. > 16 MB RAM > get a 32meg.. it will max it out.. not expensive at present.. > Cache 16 KB > Windows 3.11 > PC DOS 6.3 > Bios Revision 12/15/95 (BUTUS30) > that is the latest bios.. > Diagnostics Revision 11/22/95 (BFDUS1G) > Hard Disk 540 MB > not a lot of HDD space.. and its a slow drive to boot (pun intended) these days.. > Panasonic KXL-D740 4x CD-ROM running in one of the card slots > you can format the HDD, and then boot from a floppy and use a point enabler (i hope) to get the CD running, then go for it..win98 runs quite well on the 701.. i have done it, though only RC-2, not the release version yet.. > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > MG -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 00:53:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00127 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19323; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:51:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19152; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19138; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (242.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.242]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA17529; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AED8AC.EC258ED6@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:53:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert J. Karp" CC: ThinkPad Users Group Subject: Re: using installed memory References: <000c01bdb0e0$b1b90ee0$70b2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert.. and other interested parties.. the 760E, 760X and 765 series all supports up to 104megs.. period.. the method changes between the 760E series and the 760X, 765 series.. the "E" series needs a 32meg DIMM adapter (available only from Apricorn) which replaces the 8meg IBM supplied DIMM adapter.. the you use two 32meg DIMM's in the 32meg DIMM adapter and thus get 104 megs.. (don't forget the 8megs on the system board).. (32 + 32 + 32 + 8 = 104) the X series and 765 support the 64meg DIMM.. the little switch makes the DIMM adapter (yes, it is still there, only it is not removeable in these machines) accept the 64meg DIMM only in the right most socket.. the limiting factor of the 760 machines is the number pof memory lines.. (four) #1 is used for the system board memory #2 for the memory on the DIMM adapter #3 and #4 for the DIMM sockets.. you can extrapolate from this the max memory on the 760E and above series.. the 760C series is a totally different story.. and my fingers and wrist are finished with this for now.. :-) Robert J. Karp wrote: > This is very curious since IBM's specs on the 760 state specifically that > 64Mb DIMMs are *not* supported. The maximum RAM is 104Mb and is achieved > only with 8Mb disabled (via a switch on the DIMM adapter itself). > Additionally, a special DIMM adapter is required to reach 104Mb (which > entails using a 64Mb DIMM in one socket -- the only one of the two that will > support a 64Mb DIMM). I would contact IBM Tech Support. It sounds like > this configuration is *not* supported by the hardware. Also, there are a > number of technical bulletins about the 760 series and memory configurations > on IBM's site. You might want to check those out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Bayles > To: Tim Hermans > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ; Jon Solworth > > Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: using installed memory > > >Some interim machines disable the memory onboard when you > >add new memory... some are limited on what their maximum > >A lot of the memory web sites have a little display that > >will come up for your particular model describing what > >is going on in your machine. > > > >It usually has absolutely nothing to do with what third > >party memory is installed, but what the maximum allowable > >was when IBM released your particular machine. Some machines > >disable 8 Mb, some disable 16 Mb, some 32 mb... and of course > >most disable none... if they are newest models... > > > >If you own a very new machine, I suggest you get somebody to > >trade out for official memory to test it, then call IBM when > >you know it does the same thing with IBM memory. > > > > > > > >> > I have a TP 770E, and today I installed two 64 MB dimms. > >> > The thinkpad bios reports 128MB available, 160MB installed. The > >> > computer reports 128MB on boot. Where has the 32MB gone, and how > >> > do I get it back? > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 00:57:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00168 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19734; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:54:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19488; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19476; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (242.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.242]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA18195; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AED998.34A5A07E@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:56:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thermans@ibm.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Jon Solworth Subject: Re: using installed memory References: <000101bdb0bc$138893e0$f001000a@pula> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Tim.. if this is true, get the name of the IBM help person.. they are NOT supposed to do that.. !!! especially if the non-IBM memory is Apricorn (which is thinkpad PROVEN), Viking and GoldenRAM (IBM approved).. i would NEVER use Simple Technology or no name memory on my thinkpad.. Tim Hermans wrote: > I have exactly the same thing on my TP600. IBM Support refused to help > because I am using third party memory. I wonder if that could be the > problem somehow? > > Jon Solworth writes... > > > > > > I have a TP 770E, and today I installed two 64 MB dimms. > > The thinkpad bios reports 128MB available, 160MB installed. The > > computer reports 128MB on boot. Where has the 32MB gone, and how > > do I get it back? > > > > Jon > > > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 01:59:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA01057 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21303; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:56:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21159; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (peckham@netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21147; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id WAA00319; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs To: Ron Heiby cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980716182628.008196a0@popmail.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Ron Heiby wrote: > > >16 MB RAM > > This is going to be your bottleneck. In fact, I can' imagine how you > managed Win3.1 with just 16 Meg. I ran win 3.1 and 3.11 with a 486/33 and 8meg with no problem on my old desktop. Corel was the only program which seemed to miss more ram. My father now has the system, now six ears old and still chugging away very productively. > >Hard Disk 540 MB -snip- > What I'm trying to say is that you are unlikely to be able to do much with > modern Win95 / Win98 versions of software with that hard drive. > My 701 with a 720mb HD is not all that over stuffed. I'm running win95 plus office. Not doubting you may need that much (remember when the current desktop 1.2mb HD seemed vast. Now have an additional 4mb and 9mb drive in it), but it can be done, particularly if you have another system for less often used program. Incidently, the 9mb HD needed the software bios patch supplied with the disk to run. No problems so far. > I'm thinking that the minimum size for the little bit I was looking at the > Libretto for would be about 2 Gig. Thats not what the cowpokes in these here parts call a "little bit" pilgrim : ) -Frank From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 02:33:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01585 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22400; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:30:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22204; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22191; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA21446; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:30:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Peckham Engineering cc: Ron Heiby , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Windows 3.1 should run on 4 Mb ram... slowly, painfully, but it will run... add WordPerfect/Corel and you will need 8 mb... and with 16 Mb and 3.1, you should have all the RAM you need... > > >16 MB RAM > > > > This is going to be your bottleneck. In fact, I can' imagine how you > > managed Win3.1 with just 16 Meg. > > I ran win 3.1 and 3.11 with a 486/33 and 8meg with no problem on my old > desktop. Corel was the only program which seemed to miss more ram. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 02:55:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01854 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23194; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:52:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23018; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23001; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p05.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.139]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04311; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807170651.XAA04311@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Parker" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 23:51:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:01:30 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Usually, a BIOS upgrade would help. > > IF available. Usually they cost as much as a new motherboard if you can >even find one. For a stupid 256KB ROM? > >> In fact, some catalogs have 8 bit ISA cards >> that have extensions to the BIOS to support larger IDE drives. > > True, but at what cost? > About $39 I think. Not bad if you already have a sizeable investment in the machine you're upgrading. For me, that's too much, because I get all my desktop stuff wholesale anyways. >> The only interesting thing I find is that SCSI never had this problem, yet they had to >> have a limitiation with IDE... > > Before you get too smug I hope you realize that many SCSI adapters have >an 8GB limit. I've seen lower GB limits on various SCSI adapters over the >years. Yeah, but you can still have 7 simultanious drives, and with SCSI, you can have simultanious read/writes, unlike IDE. Too bad only the Power ThinkPads had SCSI HDs and CD-ROMs. And if you have Ultra Wide (which I have), make that 15 devices. > > You could also say that IDE doesn't have this limit, just the BIOS >implementation does. Right now many systems are bumping up against an >8GB-10GB IDE limit. It's not IDE that is limited, it is the older BIOS >that isn't bright enough to talk to bigger drives. > Exactly. Which makes me wonder, since 8GB 2.5" drives are out, will the newer ThinkPads recognize larger IDE hard drives? I just can't see myself having an IDE drive that large, though. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 02:57:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01927 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23454; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:53:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23054; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23042; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p05.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.139]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04423; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807170652.XAA04423@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Steve Parker" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 23:52:30 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:10:58 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>> In fact, some catalogs have 8 bit ISA cards >>> that have extensions to the BIOS to support larger IDE drives. >> >> True, but at what cost? > > >LBA can also be implemented in software; some drive manufacturers (e.g. WD) supply such software as part of the retail packaging of >their larger drives. I don't know if this is true for laptop drives as well. I think that would be Ontrack DiskManager (or whatever it's called). Some notebook HD resellers bundle the software with the drive for older 486 based machines. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 02:57:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01934 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23633; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:55:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23230; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23210; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p05.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.139]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04574; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807170653.XAA04574@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Steve Parker" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 23:53:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I've dealt with enough systems to really hate having to resort to a >"disk Manager" type product. > I agree. Another reason I'm thankful my 701 is EIDE (since a 720MB HD requires an EIDE controller without extra disk manager software). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 03:01:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA01963 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23975; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:57:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23643; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23583; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p05.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.139]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05117; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807170656.XAA05117@patty.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 23:56:39 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:39:39 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>Well, yeah, because the Pentium does 2 instructions per clock cycle, whereas the 486 >>does 1 per cycle, if I recall. Plus, the Pentium supports Mode 4 IDE, LBA, and other good stuff. > > >LBA and IDE level support is in the board hardware and BIOS, not the CPU. > Well, yeah. I should have phrased it differently. I was just referring nearly all of the Pentium machines had those advantages, as opposed to 486 class machines, but did not mean that it was part of the CPU that those special features were derived. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 03:28:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02266 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28375; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:23:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28114; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28077; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA02239; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:23:35 -1000 Message-ID: <001f01bdb153$f5ea0b00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:24:38 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just to add my 2 cents on this thread: I think some of the respondents have been unduly pessimistic. I ran W95 OSR2 for quite a while on a 701 with 24 megs of memory and a 340 meg HD. By creating a 200 meg compressed virtual disk and cleverly choosing which files lived on that drive, I was able to comfortably fit full installs of Office 97, Lotus Smartsuite, SAS and S+ statistical analysis packages, Maple, a very complete TeX/LaTeX implementation, MicroGrafx Graphics suite, and plenty of other utilities, and *still* had lots of room for my own user files. Oh, I forgot the hibernation file! Of course, this setup was nontrivial to maintain (I had to do a file cleanout every week or so to keep breathing room), but was otherwise quite serviceable. The only software that was really painful to run on this machine were some of the Office apps (I eventually backgraded to the less-CPU-intensive Office 95) and some of the graphics stuff (for which more memory would have made a big difference). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 05:16:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA03435 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 05:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05324; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 05:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 05:13:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05025; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 05:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05011; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 05:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-81.az.com (seawesta-81.az.com [204.201.18.81]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA01897 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807170910.CAA01897@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 02:26:02 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Drifting mouse Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again, Once again I have a question. On my TP 365XD I notice sometimes my mouse has "mouse drift". Doesn't happen all the time but enough times for me to notice it. Does this mean I need to clean the mouse (let's not get into the mouse balls joke thank you) control (trackpoint)? Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 09:18:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06030 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16319; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:14:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16061; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mlc.de (mlc-rimnet.mlc.de [195.4.240.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16048; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by mail.mlc.de(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 41256644.004EA77E ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:19:06 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: MLC RATINGEN@MLCEXTERN To: "ThinkPad List" Message-ID: <41256644.004DA490.00@mail.mlc.de> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:13:53 +0100 Subject: [TP770] TrackPoint, NT, and MS Products Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is anyone else experiencing problems with the new trackpoint, MS applications and NT 4? I can use the (new) third button to scroll without moving the mouse pointer to a window's scroll bars in all of the applications I use (Lotus Notes, Netscape Navigator etc.) - but in MS Office apps and MS Internet Explorer, this doesn't work (nothing happens at all). Since I thought the technology was orginally developed by Microsoft (for their Intellimouse), this doesn't make much sense. And one can really get used to that feature... Stefan Tilkov From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 09:42:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06458 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17557; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:36:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17231; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17219; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netpathway.com (port10-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.207]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29875 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:36:10 -0500 Message-ID: <35AF52A5.B2B70150@netpathway.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:33:25 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Drifting mouse References: <199807170910.CAA01897@lucy.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is perfectly normal. The trackpoint is re-calibrating itself when this happens. Just let it drift until it stops. Eric Giles LightSide wrote: > > Hello again, > > Once again I have a question. On my TP 365XD I notice sometimes my mouse has "mouse drift". Doesn't > happen all the time but enough times for me to notice it. Does this mean I need to clean the mouse (let's not > get into the mouse balls joke thank you) control (trackpoint)? > > Robert From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 10:06:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06713 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18391; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:50:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18045; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18033; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netpathway.com (port10-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.207]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30147 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:50:38 -0500 Message-ID: <35AF5609.5734475F@netpathway.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:47:53 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: [TP770] TrackPoint, NT, and MS Products References: <41256644.004DA490.00@mail.mlc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Stefan- There was an issue with some MS apps and the original Trackpoint III drivers. Go to IBM's web page and download the newest Trackpoint drivers. This should fix your problem (at least it did for me). Here is the URL: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/b15a.html Hope this helps... Eric Giles Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: > > Is anyone else experiencing problems with the new trackpoint, MS > applications and NT 4? I can use the (new) third button to scroll without > moving the mouse pointer to a window's scroll bars in all of the > applications I use (Lotus Notes, Netscape Navigator etc.) - but in MS > Office apps and MS Internet Explorer, this doesn't work (nothing happens at > all). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 11:21:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07786 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22769; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:12:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22305; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22279; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial3.waterw.com (dial3.waterw.com [209.107.20.18]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24170 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171512.LAA24170@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:07:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <35AECC52.33D93924@icanect.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 17 Jul 98 at 0:00, Bill Morrow wrote in reply to MG: > > I have just dragged my old ThinkPad 701cs out of the closet to give to a > > family member. It is running Windows 3.11. It has the minimum > > configuration to run Windows 98 and I would like to upgrade it. The > > question is, how best to do that. The particulars (from the configuration > > utility) are listed below: > > > > IBM ThinkPad 701cs > > 486DX4 Processor > > > > you have a 486/75..is is about minimum for win98.. Bill, Wouldn't this be an excellent example of the potential for less being more? Why not simply stick with an upgrade to WIN95 for this machine rather than WIN98? Given the fact that the family member receiving this machine apparently doesn't require a newer/faster machine, I would think that 95 would be more than acceptable for their use. This is the route I normally follow when distributing my old machines to the family as I attempt to match the user's requirements to what's available. FI, my Mom-in-law just wanted to "type" a few letters and play some games, she's got my old 286, a VGA monitor, WIN3.1 and she's delighted. My daughter in college needed to generate a lot of paper in her physical therapy classes, but that's about all she requires of a system. She's got my old Compaq 486/75 and my old DeskJet Plus, also running WIN3.1. My son, who's leaving for college this fall to study engineering, is getting a 755CD Pentium to go with his Pentium MMX desktop and will be running WIN95B. I'm sticking with WIN95B for my desktop until I get the new dual processor motherboard I've promised myself, but I'm running 98 on my 760XL and I love it. Regards, James In the Heart of the Pine Barrens 39 54 03 N, 74 49 26 W Sailboat free 'til 2003! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 12:27:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08942 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25735; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:18:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25213; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25200; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16110 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15951; Fri, 17 Jul 98 12:20:50 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA27697 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:20:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:20:44 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980716182628.008196a0@popmail.mcs.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Ron Heiby wrote: > > >16 MB RAM > > This is going to be your bottleneck. In fact, I can' imagine how you > managed Win3.1 with just 16 Meg. Sheesh. Win3.1's minimum requirement was 2MB or 4MB. 4MB was the "default" configuration shipped on hundreds of thousands of systems at the time. Keep in mind memory cost $30/meg wholesale back then. :-) > >Hard Disk 540 MB > > I was thinking, the other day, about buying a Toshiba Libretto 50. That's > the low-end model of a full Win95 PC barely larger than some of the WinCE > machines out there, for about 2/3 the price. I thought that it might be > cool to carry around instead of my 755CE for just simple stuff like > Internet and CompuServe connectivity, and Microsoft Office. Well, after > adding up the space used on my 755CE for my Windows directory, Office > directory, and various communication software that I had intended to be > portable on it, I came up with a figure dangerously close to the 800 Meg > disk size that the 50 comes with. So much for that idea! > > What I'm trying to say is that you are unlikely to be able to do much with > modern Win95 / Win98 versions of software with that hard drive. I used to run Win95 on my 701 with 720MB HD. It's a triple-boot setup with DOS, Win95, and Linux (you wouldn't believe the gymnastics I had to go through to prevent Win95's install from "upgrading" my DOS partition :-). Linux takes up most of the disk space, leaving about 300 MB for Win/DOS. I haven't bothered reclaiming the Win95 install because I haven't needed the space yet. I had Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and a couple games and miscellaneous applications installed on it, oh, and Netscape (which seems to hog up more and more memory every new version). Granted they weren't full installs (most of the fancy memory-hogging stuff is unusably slow on a 486 anyway). This was in addition to the 50+ MB of DOS software I had. It was tight, but very usable. My main complaint was speed - a 486DX4/75 is really at the lower end of Win95's comfort zone, and I found myself spending an annoying amount of time twiddling my thumbs waiting for Word or Acrobat to refresh after certain commands. Curiously (or maybe not), older programs seem to run faster. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 12:53:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09351 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27067; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:46:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26698; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26672; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA16543; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:45:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bst-ma6-15.ix.netcom.com(205.186.73.207) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016391; Fri Jul 17 11:44:46 1998 Message-ID: <004c01bdb1a1$ef14a300$cf49bacd@pekkaa.ix.netcom.com> From: "Pekka L. Aro" To: "Menard Cosmetics" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Bag for TP 600 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:42:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have the Zero Halliburton Mini Attache. It fits perfectly and is light and durable. Pekka -----Original Message----- From: Menard Cosmetics To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 7:00 PM Subject: Bag for TP 600 >I am looking for a bag for my TP600. I only need to carry the TP, the >adaptor and little else. What would be a recommended bag for my purpose? I >had small and light in mind... :) > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 13:13:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09776 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27955; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:06:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27712; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27691; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04862; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:06:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: "James H. E. Maugham" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs In-Reply-To: <199807171512.LAA24170@water.waterw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Microsoft says the minimum computer is 486 90, not 75... with 32 Mb anything lower than 133 is pretty tough to use... but can be done if you have a minimum of 32 Mb... 64 preferred. > you have a 486/75..is is about minimum for win98.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 13:32:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10187 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28901; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:25:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28554; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28537; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mehood (user-38h1shs.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.242.60]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA12990 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401bdb1a7$e10507e0$3cf210d1@mehood.mindspring.com> From: "Mark E Hood" To: Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:25:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've never heard of a 486 90Mhz...does such exist? -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bayles To: James H. E. Maugham Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs >Microsoft says the minimum computer is 486 90, not 75... with >32 Mb >anything lower than 133 is pretty tough to use... but can be >done if you have a minimum of 32 Mb... 64 preferred. > > >> you have a 486/75..is is about minimum for win98.. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 14:22:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11203 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01172; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:17:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00979; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00967; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg134-101.ricochet.net [204.179.134.101]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17995; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:18:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807171818.NAA17995@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:13:59 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Librettos, Win98 on TP701cs Cc: Ron Heiby In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >From: Ron Heiby >I was thinking, the other day, about buying a Toshiba Libretto 50. That's >the low-end model of a full Win95 PC barely larger than some of the WinCE >machines out there, for about 2/3 the price. I thought that it might be >cool to carry around instead of my 755CE for just simple stuff like >Internet and CompuServe connectivity, and Microsoft Office. Well, after >adding up the space used on my 755CE for my Windows directory, Office >directory, and various communication software that I had intended to be >portable on it, I came up with a figure dangerously close to the 800 Meg >disk size that the 50 comes with. So much for that idea! So who says you have to leave that drive in the Libretto? There's a 3.2Gb Hitachi drive that costs $222 and goes right in. With that and the upgrade to 32Mb, you've got a dandy little Windows system. My Libretto was what made me really glad I'd gotten the ThinkPad 600 instead of the 760ED I was keen on at first: for about the same weight as the 760ED, I've got *two* machines, making a complete Windows development and testing lab in a briefcase. Thanks to the Libretto, the 4Gb drive on the 600 became a lot more palatable: because I no longer needed to dual boot to Win95 for testing, I ripped it off and converted the whole drive to NTFS. Instead, the Libretto has System Commander multibooting to NT4, Win95 OSR2, Win95 build 950 (yes, I have to test on both ), and soon NT5 and Win98. The two machines talk to each other very nicely through a pair of Fast Ethernet cards. I don't mean to take up too much time on this list talking about Librettos, except to the extent that it's relevant for some ThinkPad owners: a ThinkPad plus a Libretto is really a great combination, especially if you're a software developer. Here is *the* source for Libretto information: http://www.cerfnet.com/~adorable/libretto.html and here's where you get that 3.2Gb drive: http://www.marshall.com/dynamic/pdpage?m=hit&p=DK237A-32 Email me if you think you'll get that drive and a Libretto: there are a few installation tips that are probably too off-topic for this list. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 14:34:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11428 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01984; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:25:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01670; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01639; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkyxztrz (pool1-20.usr1.smartlink.net [206.117.155.85]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA03054; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980717112506.0083a7d0@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:25:06 -0700 To: John Kim From: Lou Wiener Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs Cc: Cc:@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980716182628.008196a0@popmail.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu FWIW I have been using System Commander when I have multiple OSes on my system. Works very well. At one time I had DOS 6, Win 3.1, Win95, and OS2 on the same system. At 12:20 PM 7/17/98 -0400, you wrote: >I used to run Win95 on my 701 with 720MB HD. It's a triple-boot >setup with DOS, Win95, and Linux (you wouldn't believe the >gymnastics I had to go through to prevent Win95's install from >"upgrading" my DOS partition :-). Linux takes up most of the >disk space, leaving about 300 MB for Win/DOS. I haven't >bothered reclaiming the Win95 install because I haven't needed Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 15:43:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12839 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05359; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:37:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05096; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05079; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id OAA23524; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:38:25 -0500 Message-ID: <35AFA7E2.C7A0CCF1@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 19:36:30 UT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:37:06 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bayles CC: "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry, but I must correct this info. I'm holding the MS Quick Info book in my hand right now (and typing too!), which was put out as an info resource for resellers of Win98. It states the minimum requirements for Win98 are: 486DX/66-MHz or higher processor 16MB RAM 140-300MB hard disk space CD-ROM or DVD-ROM VGA or higher monitor MS Mouse or compatible Win98 is essentially the same as Win95 for system requirements in actuallity, but I suspect that MS raised the minimum reqs. because Win98 will have a lot more 'behind-the-scenes' programs running than Win95 does. This is just my speculation. Rob Ray Bayles wrote: > > Microsoft says the minimum computer is 486 90, not 75... with > 32 Mb > anything lower than 133 is pretty tough to use... but can be > done if you have a minimum of 32 Mb... 64 preferred. > > > you have a 486/75..is is about minimum for win98.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 17:05:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14195 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09187; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:01:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08948; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08936; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (p33.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.167]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA07841; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807172102.OAA07841@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Roy Chen" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 15:54:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: repeating beep when using modem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:23:59 -0700, Roy Chen wrote: >Thank you all for responding to my cry for help on the repeating beep issue. >The issue, unfortunately, is still unresolved. Here is a summary of what I >tried: > >1. Uninstalling and reinstalling dial-up networking had no effect. The >first couple of beeps after I connected were normal. Then the third beep >exhibited the repeating beep syndrome. Now that I think about it, have you tried dialing any other numbers, or does this happen with one particular number? Also, does DUN offer check boxes for PAP/CHAP autencication, FCS checking, etc, hardware error control, etc.? Maybe something is not set correctly as well. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 20:08:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA16787 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14046; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:05:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13849; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13837; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA02071; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:09:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery In-Reply-To: <199807170651.XAA04311@patty.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > For a stupid 256KB ROM? The ROM is cheap, the sooftware on it isn't. We commonly pay $30-$60 for a 75 cent CD-ROM too. The content is what costs. Try www.unicore.com for BIOS upgrades and see what they cost for yourself. They won't even list prices on the web page. This thread is now way off topic. I only replied to clear up incomplete or incorrect information. I am done now. If anyone wants to continue via email to me go right ahead. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 20:29:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17082 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14851; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:26:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14683; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osh5.datasync.com (root@osh5.datasync.com [205.216.82.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14664; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brianb (osp20.datasync.com [208.132.74.54]) by osh5.datasync.com (8.8.8/Datasync) with SMTP id TAA30577 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:26:40 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:32:29 -0500 Message-ID: <01BDB1B9.A2FD0940.Brianb@datasync.com> From: Brian Bream Reply-To: "Brianb@datasync.com" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP 701 printer and/or floppy cable (IBM GEESH) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:29:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 50 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ----Original Message----- From: askibm@VNET.IBM.COM [SMTP:askibm@VNET.IBM.COM] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 3:38 PM To: brianb@datasync.com Subject: IBM-CALLOWN INTERNET RESPONSE FACILITY To......: brianb@datasync.com Subject.: THINKPAD 701 FLOPPY DRIVE Dear Mr. Bream, Thank you for contacting IBM. For on-line ordering information and part identification please visit the IBM Parts and Warranty Website at: http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts For further information and parts identification assistance please contact the IBM Parts and Warranty Center at 1-800-388-7080. Thank you for using the IBM Electronic Response System. Nino Baggieri (ASKIBM@vnet.ibm.com) IBM Internet Support Group 1-800-IBM-4YOU ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am in need of a new floppy cable for my TP 701. I can't find part number 04H6916 here. Can you tell me if it is available and how much it costs ? Additionally, can the EPP printer cable and FDD cable pack plug into the port on the computer or does it only work in the Multiport II. Thanks, Brian Bream brianb@datasync.com Easy question folks, I need a cable for my floppy drive. IBM wants 29.95 for the cable called out for in the maintenance manual. This is the standard cable that ships with the unit. Do you disconnect the floppy cable and hook up a printer to this cable or is there a printer cable not mentioned in the manual ? I see that the EPP printer cable and the FDD cable pack does not require another printer cable. Does that mount on the side of the computer or on the multiport. (I don't have a multiport !) :) Thanks to Vicki Stables and Paul Khoury for answering my previous question regarding the drive it self. I'm going to try the Dell and see if it works. I'll report as soon as I get the cable in. Brian Bream CDI Marine Naval Engineers and Architects - If the shoe fits..... You are not leaving room for future development. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 22:16:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18291 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17144; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:13:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16963; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16951; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a14.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.78]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04450; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:13:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35B004D6.F360A4CD@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:13:42 -0700 From: James J Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: Roy Chen , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: repeating beep when using modem References: <199807172102.OAA07841@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:23:59 -0700, Roy Chen wrote: > > >Thank you all for responding to my cry for help on the repeating beep issue. > >The issue, unfortunately, is still unresolved. Here is a summary of what I > >tried: > > > >1. Uninstalling and reinstalling dial-up networking had no effect. The > >first couple of beeps after I connected were normal. Then the third beep > >exhibited the repeating beep syndrome. > > Now that I think about it, have you tried dialing any other numbers, or does > this happen with one particular number? > > Also, does DUN offer check boxes for PAP/CHAP autencication, FCS checking, etc, > hardware error control, etc.? Maybe something is not set correctly as well. Maybe he has to set "Error Correction Required" under the Properties, Connection, Advanced page for the modem. I had to do this with one of the ISPs here because the local phone lines were up to standard. Under OS/2 I set the command line to \n3&k3 to set that feature. James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 22:44:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18604 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18003; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:41:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17829; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17816; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA02281; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:45:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:45:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: John Kim cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, John Kim wrote: > Sheesh. Win3.1's minimum requirement was 2MB or 4MB. 4MB was > the "default" configuration shipped on hundreds of thousands of > systems at the time. Keep in mind memory cost $30/meg wholesale > back then. :-) Win 3.1 will install on a 2MB system. I know, I just installed it on a Hyundai '386SX-16 notebook w/2MB of RAM and a double spaced 40MB hard drive. It ran like crap, but it did run. Win 3.11 fWG refused to start up after install, and Win 3.0 couldn't run Word 6. Luckily the guy had two of the Hyundai's. The other one was dead, but I did find a working 4MB mem expansion module in it to swap for the 1MB it had. Even with 5MB it still ran Word 6 like crap, but it was actually borderline useable. The guy seems happy enough with the system. For light duty use 8MB and Win 3.1 should be fine. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 23:29:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19063 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19374; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:25:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18998; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18985; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (user-38lc2je.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.10.110]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08847; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980717232559.0069d4a0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:25:59 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Librettos, Win98 on TP701cs Cc: Ron Heiby In-Reply-To: <199807171818.NAA17995@rgate2.ricochet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:13 AM 7/17/98 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >I don't mean to take up too much time on this list talking about Librettos, >except to the extent that it's relevant for some ThinkPad owners: a >ThinkPad plus a Libretto is really a great combination, especially if >you're a software developer. I concur. I currently use a 770 (1AU) and a Libretto 50CT. They each have their niche, and I use both religiously. Sometimes, it is easier to snag my L50CT in its extremely small carrying case, throw it in my bag and go vs. grabbing my "mobile" targus case stuffed with my 770 setup. For short term trips of <2hrs, the L50CT makes a kit if trips. For onsite consults of meaningful degree and trips (As I am currently on), the 770 is my sidekick of choice. Mark Bell ElectroSoft Consulting Voice: 609-293-9426 Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 17 23:58:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19389 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19381; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:25:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18970; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18958; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19817; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:25:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Rob Bell cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs In-Reply-To: <35AFA7E2.C7A0CCF1@csc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ok, I guess this is good info... I will dig out my archives when I get to the office. I definitely have a message from Microsoft that says a 75 Mhz is too slow and is not recommended.... But I am running it on a Compaq 486 DX-4 100 and it is way way too slow compared to even a Pentium 133 > Sorry, but I must correct this info. > > I'm holding the MS Quick Info book in my hand right now (and typing > too!), which was put out as an info resource for resellers of Win98. It > states the minimum requirements for Win98 are: > > 486DX/66-MHz or higher processor > 16MB RAM > 140-300MB hard disk space > CD-ROM or DVD-ROM > VGA or higher monitor > MS Mouse or compatible > > Win98 is essentially the same as Win95 for system requirements in > actuallity, Not for RAM. You get lots of crashes and stops if you run it at 16 Mb as I have already learned from bitter experience... thank gorsh RAM is so cheap now. but I suspect that MS raised the minimum reqs. because Win98 > will have a lot more 'behind-the-scenes' programs running than Win95 > does. This is just my speculation. You are probably correct there... Windows 98 alone will work, but it wont work with Netscape or browser searches at 16 Mb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 00:30:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19786 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21653; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:27:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21509; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21478; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (190.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.190]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA00908; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B0249C.2A10A108@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:29:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: Steve Parker , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Help for Hard disk recovery References: <199807170651.XAA04311@patty.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: **snip** > Which makes me wonder, since 8GB 2.5" drives are out, will the newer ThinkPads recognize > larger IDE hard drives? I just can't see myself having an IDE drive that large, though. > as of now, the only TP which will see the 8.1gig is the 770..maybe the 380, but i doubt it.. (i will find out later) and the 770-1AU has trouble with win9x and the 8.1gig.. win does not agree with the bios about the drive, apparently, so it goes into DOS compatibility mode.. some strange activities here, but i'm still learning.. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 00:41:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19932 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22227; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:39:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22051; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22039; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (190.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.190]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA02618; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B0276B.275DDB67@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:41:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brianb@datasync.com" CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP 701 printer and/or floppy cable (IBM GEESH) References: <01BDB1B9.A2FD0940.Brianb@datasync.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Brian.. the floppy OR the printer plug into the port on the side of the 701.. not both at the same time.. i have a 701 i use as a printer server.. on the network to several other machines, and it serves two parallel printers.. the 701 is one of the few (only one I know about!) that will support two parallel ports without a docking station (but WITH the multiport-II) it does a bunch of other things too, like answer the telephone and send faxes.. now i'll hook something to the serial port.. :-) Brian Bream wrote: > ----Original Message----- > From: askibm@VNET.IBM.COM [SMTP:askibm@VNET.IBM.COM] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 3:38 PM > To: brianb@datasync.com > Subject: > > IBM-CALLOWN INTERNET RESPONSE FACILITY > > To......: brianb@datasync.com > Subject.: THINKPAD 701 FLOPPY DRIVE > > Dear Mr. Bream, > > Thank you for contacting IBM. > For on-line ordering information and part identification > please visit the IBM Parts and Warranty Website at: > http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts > > For further information and parts identification assistance please contact > the IBM Parts and Warranty Center at 1-800-388-7080. > Thank you for using the IBM Electronic Response System. > Nino Baggieri (ASKIBM@vnet.ibm.com) > IBM Internet Support Group > 1-800-IBM-4YOU > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I am in need of a new floppy cable for my TP 701. I can't find part number > 04H6916 here. Can you tell me if it is available and how much it costs ? > Additionally, can the EPP printer cable and FDD cable pack plug into the > port on > the computer or does it only work in the Multiport II. > Thanks, Brian Bream > brianb@datasync.com > Easy question folks, I need a cable for my floppy drive. IBM wants 29.95 > for the cable called out for in the maintenance manual. This is the > standard cable that ships with the unit. Do you disconnect the floppy > cable and hook up a printer to this cable or is there a printer cable not > mentioned in the manual ? I see that the EPP printer cable and the FDD > cable pack does not require another printer cable. Does that mount on the > side of the computer or on the multiport. (I don't have a multiport !) :) > Thanks to Vicki Stables and Paul Khoury for answering my previous question > regarding the drive it self. I'm going to try the Dell and see if it > works. I'll report as soon as I get the cable in. > Brian Bream > CDI Marine > Naval Engineers and Architects - If the shoe fits..... You are not leaving > room for future development. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 00:58:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20158 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22809; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:56:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22642; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22630; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (190.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.190]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA05329; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B02B6B.E2BE568C@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:58:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs References: <199807171512.LAA24170@water.waterw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu James.. i totally agree.. better yet, set up an antique WFWG with norton and some other great apps and the machine will sing along.. all you need is a 16meg RAM upgrade and a 720meg HDD (well, ok, you COULD use a 1.08gig drive too, or even a 2.1gig drive) but its not required.. WFWG when set up correctly will STAY that way.. :-) James H. E. Maugham wrote: > On 17 Jul 98 at 0:00, Bill Morrow wrote in reply to MG: > > > > I have just dragged my old ThinkPad 701cs out of the closet to give to a > > > family member. It is running Windows 3.11. It has the minimum > > > configuration to run Windows 98 and I would like to upgrade it. The > > > question is, how best to do that. The particulars (from the configuration > > > utility) are listed below: > > > > > > IBM ThinkPad 701cs > > > 486DX4 Processor > > > > > > > you have a 486/75..is is about minimum for win98.. > > Bill, > > Wouldn't this be an excellent example of the potential for less being more? Why > not simply stick with an upgrade to WIN95 for this machine rather than WIN98? > > Given the fact that the family member receiving this machine apparently doesn't > require a newer/faster machine, I would think that 95 would be more than > acceptable for their use. > > This is the route I normally follow when distributing my old machines to the > family as I attempt to match the user's requirements to what's available. > > FI, my Mom-in-law just wanted to "type" a few letters and play some games, > she's got my old 286, a VGA monitor, WIN3.1 and she's delighted. My daughter in > college needed to generate a lot of paper in her physical therapy classes, but > that's about all she requires of a system. She's got my old Compaq 486/75 and > my old DeskJet Plus, also running WIN3.1. My son, who's leaving for college > this fall to study engineering, is getting a 755CD Pentium to go with his > Pentium MMX desktop and will be running WIN95B. > > I'm sticking with WIN95B for my desktop until I get the new dual processor > motherboard I've promised myself, but I'm running 98 on my 760XL and I love it. > > Regards, > > James > > In the Heart of the Pine Barrens 39 54 03 N, 74 49 26 W > Sailboat free 'til 2003! -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 01:01:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20211 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23154; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:58:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22860; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22829; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (190.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.190]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA05663; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B02BFB.BC4A8F49@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:00:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bayles CC: "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ray.. i have win98-RC2 on a 701C 486-75, 40megs and it runs fine and loaded fine.. where win98 release balked at a 486-33 with the message that i need a minimum 486-66 Ray Bayles wrote: > Microsoft says the minimum computer is 486 90, not 75... with > 32 Mb > anything lower than 133 is pretty tough to use... but can be > done if you have a minimum of 32 Mb... 64 preferred. > > > you have a 486/75..is is about minimum for win98.. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 01:02:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20231 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23306; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:59:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22931; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22914; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (190.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.190]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA05757; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B02C21.4EBFA605@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:01:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark E Hood CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs References: <002401bdb1a7$e10507e0$3cf210d1@mehood.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu i doubt it.. 486-100 (on a 33mhz buss) Mark E Hood wrote: > I've never heard of a 486 90Mhz...does such exist? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Bayles > To: James H. E. Maugham > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs > > >Microsoft says the minimum computer is 486 90, not 75... with > >32 Mb > >anything lower than 133 is pretty tough to use... but can be > >done if you have a minimum of 32 Mb... 64 preferred. > > > > > >> you have a 486/75..is is about minimum for win98.. > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 02:24:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA21347 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25265; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:21:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25138; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25126; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p20.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.154]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17655; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807180622.XAA17655@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Kim" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 23:20:13 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:20:44 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Ron Heiby wrote: >> >> >16 MB RAM >> >> This is going to be your bottleneck. In fact, I can' imagine how you >> managed Win3.1 with just 16 Meg. > >Sheesh. Win3.1's minimum requirement was 2MB or 4MB. 4MB was >the "default" configuration shipped on hundreds of thousands of >systems at the time. Keep in mind memory cost $30/meg wholesale >back then. :-) And the go further, 8MB was enough to have a blazing fast system. Remember that it ran on DOS, a 16 bit OS. Not like OS/2, Linux, or NT, which are 32 bit, and use more of the computer's capabilities anyways... Curiously (or maybe not), older programs seem to run >faster. That shouldn't be too surprising, because they were probably written and compiled on slower machines, so of course it would be faster on a newer machine. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 07:17:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA24193 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12907; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:13:10 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12751; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id HAA09548; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns3.ipa.net (ns3.ipa.net [205.218.170.197]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24349; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-246.russ.ipa.net [207.2.194.246]) by ns3.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA13500 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:35:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007101bdb20d$fde7fc80$f6c202cf@default> From: "radmax" To: Subject: TP 755CE display problems Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:36:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01BDB1E4.13CB6AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BDB1E4.13CB6AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just received a ThinkPad 755CE/7BE (appears to be made around Nov,95) = that I bought through eBay Auction. Advertised as LCD display not working, it doesn't. The TP external display functions work, and NO FRU code comes up during power up, nor is there any problems reported using the diagnostics. = Other than that, the thing works fine. I have taken the whole thing apart, contact cleaned everything, and = almost completely reassembled it, powered up, and still no LCD. The backlight = does NOT light up, nor is there anything showing onscreen using a penlight shining through the LCD. Yet it still shows no problems during testing. The LCD itself has NO apparent physical damage, but the system has = obviously been mishandled along the way. >From reading posts on the newsgroups, I have seen IBM has a 3 year = warranty program, but how far does this go IF you have done anything to the = system? (I wasn't the first) Does anyone have any enlightenment to give me. Is there a way to test the DC-DC card or the Interposer card (even = though its not listed below)? Can I obtain the pinouts to continuity test the band cable connector >from the interposer card to the LCD controller card, or the controller = card itself? >From IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual...... Symptom/Error FRU/Action One beep and a blank, 1. Reseat all LCD unreadable, or flashing connectors. LCD. 2. LCD Assembly 3. System Board 4. DC/DC Card ANY help would be appreciated. Richard Urban radmax@ipa.net ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BDB1E4.13CB6AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just received a = ThinkPad 755CE/7BE=20 (appears to be made around Nov,95) that I bought through eBay=20 Auction.
Advertised as LCD display not working, it doesn't.
The TP = external display functions work, and NO FRU code comes up = during
power up,=20 nor is there any problems reported using the diagnostics.  = Other
than=20 that, the thing works fine.
I have taken the whole thing apart,  = contact=20 cleaned everything, and almost
completely reassembled it, powered up, = and=20 still no LCD.  The backlight does
NOT light up, nor is there = anything=20 showing onscreen using a penlight
shining through the LCD.  Yet = it still=20 shows no problems during testing.
The LCD itself has NO apparent = physical=20 damage, but the system has obviously
been mishandled along the = way.
From=20 reading posts on the newsgroups, I have seen IBM has a 3 year=20 warranty
program, but how far does this go IF you have done anything = to the=20 system? (I wasn't the first)
 
Does anyone have any = enlightenment to=20 give me.
 
Is there a way to test = the DC-DC card=20 or the Interposer card (even though
its not listed below)?
Can I = obtain=20 the pinouts to continuity test the band cable connector
from the = interposer=20 card to the LCD controller card, or the controller card = itself?
 
From IBM Hardware = Maintenance=20 Manual......
Symptom/Error       &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 FRU/Action
One beep and a=20 blank,          1. Reseat = all=20 LCD
unreadable, or=20 flashing         =20 connectors.
LCD.         =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;   =20 2. LCD=20 Assembly
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 3. System=20 Board
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =           =20 4. DC/DC Card
 

ANY help would be=20 appreciated.
Richard Urban  radmax@ipa.net
 
------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BDB1E4.13CB6AC0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 08:31:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24789 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14226; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:29:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14073; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14061; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerrycud ([12.78.243.94]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980718122853.CHMF25248@jerrycud> for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:28:53 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980718083152.00834cb0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jerryray@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:31:52 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Cudmore Subject: 770 & WIN98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anybody successfully installed WIN98 on a 770ED AND have resume working properly? Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 10:07:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25660 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16446; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:04:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16274; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16255; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id PAA009.63; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:04:58 +0100 Message-Id: <199807181404.PAA009.63@bradnet> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 98 15:04:58 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: PCMCIA & hard disk under Warp To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there any way to boot from a PCMCIA hard disk under Warp 4 on a TP760C which has also has a fixed hard disk installed? I want to use the PCMCIA disk for maintenance purposes but can't find a way of getting this combination to work. ie I have a bootable PCMCIA hard disk but the only way I can make it co-exist with the fixed hard disk is to boot from that with the PCMCIA card ejected at bootup, and then insert it once OS/2 has booted. When both devices are installed at power up, the TP just goes into a contiuous loop re-booting every few seconds. Maybe I need to add the PCMCIA disk to the initial Boot Manager menu, but haven't found an option for doing this... -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 11:57:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26732 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18444; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:51:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17937; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17925; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roychen (slip166-72-208-28.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.208.28]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA104448 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:51:20 GMT From: "Roy Chen" To: Subject: RE: repeating beep when using modem Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:47:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdb263$6c38a540$1cd048a6@roychen.us.ingrammicro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199807172102.OAA07841@stevie.loop.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, actually, the problem has been resolved. I had to reinitialize the BIOS. I've actually reinitialized it a few times since upgrading to the latest BIOS, but this was the problem. So, should strange things occur on your thinkpad, give one good look at the BIOS before going insane. Cheers! -Roy > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 8:55 AM > To: Roy Chen; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: repeating beep when using modem > > > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:23:59 -0700, Roy Chen wrote: > > >Thank you all for responding to my cry for help on the repeating > beep issue. > >The issue, unfortunately, is still unresolved. Here is a > summary of what I > >tried: > > > >1. Uninstalling and reinstalling dial-up networking had no effect. The > >first couple of beeps after I connected were normal. Then the third beep > >exhibited the repeating beep syndrome. > > Now that I think about it, have you tried dialing any other > numbers, or does > this happen with one particular number? > > Also, does DUN offer check boxes for PAP/CHAP autencication, FCS > checking, etc, > hardware error control, etc.? Maybe something is not set > correctly as well. > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the > TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and > Sun Solaris 2.4 > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 11:57:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26737 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18510; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:52:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18011; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17999; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA21830; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:51:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from RCC05052 ([166.35.168.150]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980718155136.PMQC5751@[166.35.168.150]>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:51:36 -0500 Message-ID: <35B0C486.208E@cyberramp.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:51:34 -0500 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: radmax CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 755CE display problems References: <007101bdb20d$fde7fc80$f6c202cf@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, If you can put it back togeather so no one can tell it has been apart, you're in. Call IBM EZSERVE at 1-800 IBM SERVE and they'll overnight you a box to ship it to them in. I believe it will be in warranty until November of this year. If its not still in warranty, they'll tell you. Good luck, Jim McGhee radmax wrote: > > I just received a ThinkPad 755CE/7BE (appears to be made around > Nov,95) that I bought through eBay Auction. > Advertised as LCD display not working, it doesn't. > The TP external display functions work, and NO FRU code comes up > during > power up, nor is there any problems reported using the diagnostics. > Other > than that, the thing works fine. > I have taken the whole thing apart, contact cleaned everything, and > almost > completely reassembled it, powered up, and still no LCD. The backlight > does > NOT light up, nor is there anything showing onscreen using a penlight > shining through the LCD. Yet it still shows no problems during > testing. > The LCD itself has NO apparent physical damage, but the system has > obviously > been mishandled along the way. > From reading posts on the newsgroups, I have seen IBM has a 3 year > warranty > program, but how far does this go IF you have done anything to the > system? (I wasn't the first) > Does anyone have any enlightenment to give me. > Is there a way to test the DC-DC card or the Interposer card (even > though > its not listed below)? > Can I obtain the pinouts to continuity test the band cable connector > from the interposer card to the LCD controller card, or the controller > card itself? > From IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual...... > Symptom/Error FRU/Action > One beep and a blank, 1. Reseat all LCD > unreadable, or flashing connectors. > LCD. 2. LCD Assembly > 3. System Board > 4. DC/DC Card > > ANY help would be appreciated. > Richard Urban radmax@ipa.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 13:39:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27877 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20861; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:35:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20650; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20638; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA31114 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:35:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 18 Jul 98 19:35:15 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 18 Jul 98 19:35:03 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.125) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40) with ESMTP; 18 Jul 98 19:34:58 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02419 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:26:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199807181726.TAA02419@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:26:21 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PCMCIA with OS/2 on 385ED Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! I've some problems with PCMCIA on a 385ED using OS/2 Warp 4.0. That is, that it doesn't work very reliable. I installed latest drivers from IBM and everything looks nice. Ok, I plugged in a Xircom CreditCard ethernet and installed appropriate drivers. That card worked fine for me in a 760XD (and still works nicely in that machine). As you may know that card doesn't use socket-services, it uses direct enabler. So I put /IG0=2 to the socketdrivers (tried /IG0=1 anyway). Doesn't work reliable. Then I tried to use a beta-driver for the Thinkpad chips, a friend of mine uses very successfully in his 760ED. Socketservices allways load, no matter. Also Socketservices on socket 2 get disabled properly. And sometimes, even the Xircom-driver loads up. But only sometimes. I also tried an other card, a 3COM Etherlink III. This card doen't work at all. (Driver never loads. This card also works very nicely on my 760XD. So no hardwareproblem on that side.) So I suspected some problems with socket-support. I REM'ed out the socket-drivers completely (that machine only needs access to LAN, nothing else). Still the Xircom loads, sometimes. Problem is, that system crashes completely (if it crashes, I can't provoke that) on loading the Xircom driver. After that the TP boots up with Error 163/173 (wrong date/time) and displays timesettings from EasySetup. Date/Time is allways correct. BTW: If Xircom-driver hangs, CTRL-ALT-DEL doesn't work. So I suspect a real problem. I've to switch of the Notebook. Before I go to IBM now: Anybody any idea what this could be? I'd like to tell IBM: "Hey guys, probably look in that direction." Say: "There's something wrong don't know what, even can't nail it, nor provoke the error" is not very helpfull, but I'm at the end of my knowledge... -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 13:41:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27895 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21164; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:39:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20897; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20885; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id KAA01866 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807181739.KAA01866@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS, 600/770 sdram Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have two new, sealed, IBM-brand true blue 32 meg dimm SDRAM modules that fit the 600 and 770 line. Would like to get $85 each, let me know if that sounds reasonable. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 16:03:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29343 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24225; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:59:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23965; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.magibox.net (postal.magibox.net [206.26.142.145]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23953; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magibox.net (lyra-20.magibox.net [206.28.74.20]) by postal.magibox.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id OAA10760; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:59:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35B0FF83.97F9B30@magibox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:03:15 -0500 From: Dan Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: CaptJHEM@waterw.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs References: <199807171512.LAA24170@water.waterw.com> <35B02B6B.E2BE568C@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu WFWG is ok for email, surfing the net, word processing and most basic business functions. However, I think the problem some of us have is that the applications we use in the office are Win95/NT only. I'm about to try to install Win98 on a Thinkpad 755CS (486/75) 12 megs RAM and an 810 meg HDD, with a Eigercom 28.8 fax/modem. I plan to try to put Borland CBuilder++ ver 3 on it, or Borland C 4.52 if that fails, along with Office95. I need a 32 bit OS to run my compiilers, so Im going to have to go with either Win95 or Win98. I'll post what happens and how it runs. Cheers, Dan Davis shadow@magibox.net ddavi32@jcpenney.com Bill Morrow wrote: > James.. > > i totally agree.. > > better yet, set up an antique WFWG with norton and some other great apps and the > machine will sing along.. > all you need is a 16meg RAM upgrade and a 720meg HDD (well, ok, you COULD use a > 1.08gig drive too, or even a 2.1gig drive) > but its not required.. > WFWG when set up correctly will STAY that way.. :-) > > James H. E. Maugham wrote: > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 16:07:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29438 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24543; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:05:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24328; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.magibox.net (postal.magibox.net [206.26.142.145]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24316; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magibox.net (lyra-20.magibox.net [206.28.74.20]) by postal.magibox.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id PAA17993 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:05:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35B100F2.B0E00E77@magibox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:09:22 -0500 From: Dan Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA & hard disk under Warp References: <199807181404.PAA009.63@bradnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was considering installing OS/2 Warp 4 in a dual boot configuration with Win98 on a Thinkpad 755Cs (486/75 12megs RAM, 810meg HDD). A long while back I used Warp 3.0 on a 486/100 desktop with 12megs RAM, and I seem to remember it ran ok. Anyone have experience installing Warp on a 755C or 755Cs? I don't care if the sound works, but I definitely need support for PCMCIA devices. Also, any comments on how this configuration will perform? Cheers, Dan Davis shadow@magibox.net ddavi32@jcpenney.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 17:26:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00484 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26113; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:23:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25909; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osh5.datasync.com (root@osh5.datasync.com [205.216.82.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25897; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brianb (osp117.datasync.com [208.132.74.151]) by osh5.datasync.com (8.8.8/Datasync) with SMTP id QAA23978 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:23:14 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:29:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01BDB269.30CD19E0.Brianb@datasync.com> From: Brian Bream Reply-To: "Brianb@datasync.com" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: I/O address for 3COM 3C589 Etherlink III PC Card Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:25:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 17 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again, Your resident ThinkPad impaired user !!! You know, It's only a 486DX... But I LIKE it !! I have a 701 C 8Meg of ram 500 Meg HD factory loaded with OS2/Win 3.1, The previous owner had it set up for network operation. If booted from PC-DOS it loads the drivers for the network card. I have made no changes to the configuration, but when it boots I get an IO address error and says the drivers won't load. It is a 3COM 3C589 Etherlink III card I have in slot 2. The Base I/O set in the network setup config in windows is 0x0340 and the IRQ is 11. Is there anything short of trial and error that can help be locate the correct base IOADDRESS ?? Brian Bream CDI Marine - Marine Engineer O.K..... I'm not that good with a ThinkPad but I can overhaul a gas turbine with my eyes closed !!! :) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 19:24:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01870 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28005; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:22:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27825; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27813; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computername ([12.67.146.103]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980718232124.BZGM7061@computername> for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:21:24 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: Subject: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:15:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980718232124.BZGM7061@computername> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a couple of questions regarding the "refurb" 770's at CompUsa on line: 1. All IBM re-furbs I have encountered are always subject to the IBM three years warranty. Why does Comp say "90 days warrantee?" Are they just trying to sell extended service, or has IBM somehow taken these out of their warranty system? 2. How does this machine achieve DVD playback (with the "optional" DVD drive? Does it use a ZV PCMCIA DVD card, or is the IBM DVD (MPEG2) adaptor something different?? BTW, we ordered two IBM 760ED's from that site. They are the U9A model (XGA screen) and appear to be absolutely brand new with all cables, docs, blank warranty card etc. ---------- > From: Dan Davis > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: PCMCIA & hard disk under Warp > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 4:09 PM > > > > I was considering installing OS/2 Warp 4 in a dual boot configuration > with Win98 on a Thinkpad 755Cs (486/75 12megs RAM, 810meg HDD). A long > while back I used Warp 3.0 on a 486/100 desktop with 12megs RAM, and I > seem to remember it ran ok. Anyone have experience installing Warp on a > 755C or 755Cs? I don't care if the sound works, but I definitely need > support for PCMCIA devices. Also, any comments on how this > configuration will perform? > > Cheers, > Dan Davis > shadow@magibox.net > ddavi32@jcpenney.com > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 19:26:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01893 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28212; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:23:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27879; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27863; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg136-099.ricochet.net [204.179.136.99]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16081; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000601bdb2a3$406bec70$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , Subject: Re: I/O address for 3COM 3C589 Etherlink III PC Card Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:24:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Be careful here. Are you sure it is simply a 3c589 or is it a 3c589d, (note the "d")? There is a difference. This one has bitten me before now. Make sure that you are using the correct 3c589d specific drivers. David -----Original Message----- From: Brian Bream To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 2:26 PM Subject: I/O address for 3COM 3C589 Etherlink III PC Card >Hello again, >Your resident ThinkPad impaired user !!! > >You know, It's only a 486DX... But I LIKE it !! > >I have a 701 C 8Meg of ram 500 Meg HD factory loaded with OS2/Win 3.1, >The previous owner had it set up for network operation. If booted from PC-DOS it loads the drivers for the network card. >I have made no changes to the configuration, but when it boots I get an IO address error and says the drivers won't load. >It is a 3COM 3C589 Etherlink III card I have in slot 2. The Base I/O set in the network setup config in windows is 0x0340 and the IRQ is 11. > >Is there anything short of trial and error that can help be locate the correct base IOADDRESS ?? > >Brian Bream >CDI Marine - Marine Engineer >O.K..... I'm not that good with a ThinkPad but I can overhaul a gas turbine with my eyes closed !!! :) > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 20:59:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02810 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29515; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:56:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29377; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.magibox.net (postal.magibox.net [206.26.142.145]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29365; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magibox.net (lyra-21.magibox.net [206.28.74.21]) by postal.magibox.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id TAA13633; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:56:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35B1453A.786F64DE@magibox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:00:42 -0500 From: Dan Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Markowitz CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com References: <19980718232124.BZGM7061@computername> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bruce Markowitz wrote: > I have a couple of questions regarding the "refurb" 770's at CompUsa on > line: > 1. All IBM re-furbs I have encountered are always subject to the IBM three > years warranty. Why does Comp say "90 days warrantee?" Are they just trying > to sell extended service, or has IBM somehow taken these out of their > warranty system? Most of the time refurbs are warrantied by the manufacturer, or whoever refurbed them, for a short period of time. The warrantee on refurbished items should not be confused with the warrantee on new items (which is usually expired or void). > 2. How does this machine achieve DVD playback (with the "optional" DVD > drive? Does it use a ZV PCMCIA DVD card, or is the IBM DVD (MPEG2) adaptor > something different?? Thats sort of a cliche. Who knows. DVD playback can be done in software or in hardware. Chances are its not going to look very pretty on a laptop. Could you imagine watching a movie on a laptop screen? www.egghead.com also has a surplus direct area where you can find cheap thinkpads. Typically in the $450-$1000 range. Lots of 750 series and 760 series laptops there. Cheers, Dan Davis shadow@magibox.net ddavi32@jcpenney.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 21:19:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03084 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00435; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:17:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00243; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00210; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lou2 (pool1-40.usr1.smartlink.net [206.117.155.105]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA27325 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:16:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980718181633.009c4150@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:16:33 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Wiener Subject: Keep plugged in or not? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have been wondering that I I turn off my Thinkpad 380, and the battery indicator indicates a full charge, should I unplug it? Can the batteries be overcharged? Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 18 21:22:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03117 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00719; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:19:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00480; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00450; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lou2 (pool1-40.usr1.smartlink.net [206.117.155.105]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA27440 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:19:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980718181910.009a6eb0@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:19:10 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Wiener Subject: Fuel guage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When I have the fuel guage displayed there are times that the faucet has a wide stream and times it has a narrow stream. I cannot find any detailed info in the manual. I have a TP 380ED. Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 01:08:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05944 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04572; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:03:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04340; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04328; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial4.waterw.com (dial4.waterw.com [209.107.20.19]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA09644; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807190503.BAA09644@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: Dan Davis , penzance@icanect.net Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:58:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Help Installing Win98 on 701cs Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal In-reply-to: <35B0FF83.97F9B30@magibox.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 18 Jul 98 at 15:03, Dan Davis wrote: > WFWG is ok for email, surfing the net, word processing and most basic > business functions. However, I think the problem some of us have is that > the applications we use in the office are Win95/NT only. My experience has been that there are quite a few folks who have upgraded to WIN95 or 98 and are still running MSOffice6 on their systems. Besides, while Word6 can't read an Office 95 or 97 file without a macro, both have the ability to save in Word6 format and both can read older version DOCs, all the way back to 2.0. > I'm about to try to install Win98 on a Thinkpad 755CS (486/75) 12 megs RAM > and an 810 meg HDD, with a Eigercom 28.8 fax/modem. I plan to try to put > Borland CBuilder++ ver 3 on it, or Borland C 4.52 if that fails, along with > Office95. I need a 32 bit OS to run my compiilers, so Im going to have to > go with either Win95 or Win98. I'll post what happens and how it runs. I believe your biggest stumbling block here will be the 12 meg of ram. I have a 755CD (Pentium 75) with 24 meg that I take on the boat with me for navigation. I put 98 on it a few weeks ago and wound up taking it off as it actually ran the 16 bit navigation application slower than under 95 (go figure!). But all of the other applications (Office 97, Netscape 4, Pegasus Mail, etc.) ran very well and the system was stable and MUCH cooler than under 95. (BTW, when I upgraded my 760XL to Win98, I had to completely re-install AutoCad 13 to get it to run properly. This is one of the reasons I'm leaving Win95 on my son's 755CD (Pentium 75, but with 40 meg) which is also running AutoCad). I think you'll find that both compilers you're considering using are so memory dependent that you'll soon be looking for some more. Or at the very least load Quarterdeck Magnaram. Regards, James In the Heart of the Pine Barrens 39 54 03 N, 74 49 26 W Sailboat free 'til 2003! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 01:11:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05993 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04783; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:06:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04415; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04403; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id WAA04661 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:06:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807190506.WAA04661@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: I got a 770! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As if anyone on the list cares, I'm now the proud owner of a new 9548-32U, which is the 233 mhz MMX Pentium 770 with the 13.3" screen, 4 GB disk, and Windoze 95 pre-install which I hope to replace with Linux as soon as I get a chance. Meanwhile, I'm just delighted with the XGA screen (I don't think I really miss the extra 0.8" that I'd get with a 770E or -1AU). It's such an improvement over 800x600 that I'm never turning back. My 755cx flaked out a few weeks ago to my great consternation, but since getting this 770 yesterday I barely remember the 755cx. The cx seems incredibly antiquated now. I haven't yet had a chance to use it in a quiet enough place that I can hear the fan, but the fan is very quiet in any case. I'd been worried about that. When I run the cpu-intensive www.distributed.net RC5 code-busting client in the background, the bottom of the case does get pretty warm, but not burning hot or anything like that. About the same as the 755cx, but stays cooler around the pcmcia slots. The HD is also pretty quiet, either because it's inherently quieter than earlier HD's I've had, or else it's buried deeper in the machine with more acoustic isolation. The audio (speakers) are the best I've ever heard in a laptop, but considering the machine's size that's not such a surprise. Also not a surprise is that during the initial bootup of the pristine new Windoze 95 pre-install, the install script complained of some missing files; and Device Manager shows red X's next to a few devices. This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder why anyone runs Windoze, but I digress. The keyboard has the usual excellent size and layout, but the keys are stiffer than the 755cx's keys. I like a light, fast keyboard touch and I hope I can get used to this. One annoyance is the Li battery is about the same size (and therefore probably about the same manufacturing cost) as the 755cx Li battery but the 770 battery is over 2x as expensive. I'm going to really wince when it gets to be time to buy a new one at $250+. I hope there are some aftermarket batteries available by then. The size of this thing is kind of a nuisance. The 755cx fit nicely in my Dana Designs "Jefferson" belt pack. This is a really nice pack that I use for all my everyday stuff. All the weight goes on your hips and none on your shoulders, so it's easy to carry all day even with heavy items inside. The 770 really doesn't fit in it. The bigger 770's would completely not fit. I'm going to have to figure out another way to carry it, like a Silicon Sports laptop backpack (just $20!). It does fit in one of those, if you put it in sideways. Anyway, I'll be using it mostly at home, so I'm not too concerned about carrying it. That's what my Libretto is for. I have a slight bit of buyer's remorse (standard for any large purchase) from getting this instead of a 600 (thinner, but uses Neotragic video chip) or a 770E (looking at the LCD tests from EZ-setup, 24 bit color looks a lot nicer than 16, even on an LCD). But I got this unit at quite a good price so I'm happy. I'm quite sure this machine will fill my needs til 1280x1024 screens arrive and become affordable. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 02:23:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06959 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05934; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:18:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05705; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05693; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (188.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.188]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA24137; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B19032.A4EACB4C@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:20:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lou Wiener CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fuel guage References: <3.0.5.32.19980718181910.009a6eb0@mail.smartlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just click on the faucet.. it'll change.. the size of the stream of water = the speed of the cpu.. :-) Lou Wiener wrote: > When I have the fuel guage displayed there are times that the faucet has a > wide stream and times it has a narrow stream. I cannot find any detailed > info in the manual. I have a TP 380ED. > > Warm regards, > > -lou- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 02:25:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06978 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06118; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:20:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05782; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05770; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (188.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.188]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA04463; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B190C4.2DC0807C@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:23:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lou Wiener CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Keep plugged in or not? References: <3.0.5.32.19980718181633.009c4150@mail.smartlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Lou.. not if the charging circuit is working properly.. try this.. run the TP on battery until there is 98% charge remaining.. then plug it in and use it.. watch the charge level.. it should stay the same.. then discharge it to 80% and plug it in again.. it should go back up to 100% charge.. Lou Wiener wrote: > I have been wondering that I I turn off my Thinkpad 380, and the battery > indicator indicates a full charge, should I unplug it? Can the batteries > be overcharged? > > Warm regards, > > -lou- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 04:25:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA08203 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17026; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:16:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16533; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16409; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p34.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.168]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA18100; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807190808.BAA18100@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Alexander Wanger" , "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 98 01:07:07 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PCMCIA with OS/2 on 385ED Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Still the Xircom loads, sometimes. >Problem is, that system crashes completely (if it crashes, I can't provoke >that) on loading the Xircom driver. After that the TP boots up with Error >163/173 (wrong date/time) and displays timesettings from EasySetup. Date/Time >is allways correct. BTW: If Xircom-driver hangs, CTRL-ALT-DEL doesn't work. >So I suspect a real problem. I've to switch of the Notebook. This happened with my Home & Away before. I found that I solved my problem by switching to IRQ 9, IO 120, instead of default IO 300, and my IRQ, 11. You might try switching resources, and then see what happens. The only problem still with my H&A is that the modem won't dial now, nor initialize, but I only use this machine most of the time for internet access anyways. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 04:26:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA08209 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17155; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:18:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16617; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16521; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p34.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.168]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA18145; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807190809.BAA18145@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Brianb@datasync.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 98 01:08:09 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I/O address for 3COM 3C589 Etherlink III PC Card Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >It is a 3COM 3C589 Etherlink III card I have in slot 2. The Base I/O set in the network setup config in windows is 0x0340 and the IRQ is 11. > >Is there anything short of trial and error that can help be locate the correct base IOADDRESS ?? > Try IO 300 (which is quite standard, especially on the 3COM cards on all three Pentiums here). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 05:07:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA08575 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 05:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18221; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 05:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 05:01:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17885; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 05:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from repop1.jps.net (repop1.jps.net [208.25.63.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17873; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 05:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elvis (oak-port113.jps.net [209.142.28.120]) by repop1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA15041 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "elvis" To: Subject: 701c(s) Market Value Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:00:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdb2f3$9cbef800$781c8ed1@elvis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can anyone please give me the current Market Value of a 701c or 701cs. IBM has them refurbished for about 500. I'm looking to purchase one as a simple satellite to my PC. Also if anyone is looking to sell, feel free to send me your price and configuration. Please respond privately as I often don't have time to read the digest. Regards, Jeff Kiyoi "Western Civilization? I think it would be a good idea." - Mahatma Gandhi From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 06:00:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA08967 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17102; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:16:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16553; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16380; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p34.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.168]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA18271; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807190811.BAA18271@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Lou Wiener" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 98 01:10:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Keep plugged in or not? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:16:33 -0700, Lou Wiener wrote: >I have been wondering that I I turn off my Thinkpad 380, and the battery >indicator indicates a full charge, should I unplug it? Can the batteries >be overcharged? > I'm sure that the computer's battery and charging circuitry is smart enough to see when the battery is finished charging, and stop, or apply a trickle charge at a lower ampherage. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 08:26:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10153 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25623; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:21:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25446; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25434; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl ([12.69.70.203]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980719122102.IPRJ7061@dts_jl>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:21:02 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980719081226.009eb5c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:12:26 -0400 To: Paul Rubin , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: I got a 770! In-Reply-To: <199807190506.WAA04661@netcom8.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:06 PM 7/18/98 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: >I'm going to have to figure >out another way to carry it, like a Silicon Sports laptop backpack >(just $20!). > Where did you find a Silicon Sports backpack at any price? I need a new one, and I thought Kensington bought them and killed them off. Thanks - Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 08:37:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10252 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26100; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:32:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25806; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25794; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerrycud ([12.79.0.178]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980719123143.IRZR7061@jerrycud> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:31:43 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980719083444.0083f100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jerryray@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:34:44 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Cudmore Subject: IBM 9516 LCD Monitors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone actually seen a IBM 9516 LCD monitor? It's twice the cost of the competitors with same specs? Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 08:41:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10289 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26318; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:35:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25923; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25910; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-43.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.43]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA21131; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001601bdb311$a862b8e0$2b1f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "Dan Davis" , "Bruce Markowitz" Cc: Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:35:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----Original Message----- From: Dan Davis To: Bruce Markowitz Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com >> 2. How does this machine achieve DVD playback (with the "optional" DVD >> drive? Does it use a ZV PCMCIA DVD card, or is the IBM DVD (MPEG2) adaptor >> something different?? > >Thats sort of a cliche. Who knows. DVD playback can be done in software or in >hardware. Chances are its not going to look very pretty on a laptop. Could >you imagine watching a movie on a laptop screen? Sorry, Dan, but I beg to differ. DVD movies play superbly on my 770's 14.1" display. They are, to me, thoroughly enjoyable. As to the question asked, I do not know what specific 770 machines are being discussed as being available from CompUSA. All 770s will accept the Enhanced Video Adapter; at least two come with the Adapter already included. The adapter provides hardware MPEG-1, MPEG-2 HHR, and full MPEG-2 decoding. Audio, however, is decoded via software. Performance is, again, first-rate. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 08:52:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10402 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26838; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:47:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26588; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26576; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computername ([12.67.146.108]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980719124650.JKZD18114@computername>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:46:50 +0000 Message-ID: <35B1E961.5BE1@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:41:05 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert J. Karp" CC: Dan Davis , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com References: <001601bdb311$a862b8e0$2b1f46c6@rkarp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu DVD movies are GREAT on a laptop screen. You are very misinformed! Robert J. Karp wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Davis > To: Bruce Markowitz > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com > > >> 2. How does this machine achieve DVD playback (with the "optional" DVD > >> drive? Does it use a ZV PCMCIA DVD card, or is the IBM DVD (MPEG2) > adaptor > >> something different?? > > > >Thats sort of a cliche. Who knows. DVD playback can be done in software > or in > >hardware. Chances are its not going to look very pretty on a laptop. > Could > >you imagine watching a movie on a laptop screen? > > Sorry, Dan, but I beg to differ. DVD movies play superbly on my 770's 14.1" > display. They are, to me, thoroughly enjoyable. > > As to the question asked, I do not know what specific 770 machines are being > discussed as being available from CompUSA. All 770s will accept the > Enhanced Video Adapter; at least two come with the Adapter already included. > The adapter provides hardware MPEG-1, MPEG-2 HHR, and full MPEG-2 decoding. > Audio, however, is decoded via software. Performance is, again, first-rate. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 10:04:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA10925 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28544; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:59:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28320; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28306; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:59:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a71.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.71]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA29649; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807191359.JAA29649@pike.sover.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 98 08:16:27 -0400 To: "peter machule" , In-Reply-To: <01bdb08b$709e30c0$5c645a8e@peter> Subject: Re: Tp pricing news ! X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > "peter machule" said: >http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9807/15/notebook.idg/ Thanks for the pointer. It looks like that only applies to the 380 series. While I want to be a brat again and have the 600 . If I don't see reductions on the 600 soon, I will suspect that IBM has something else in the works for the 600 series. --Maybe a faster chip and larger hard drive for the same price, so that they can maintain a distinction from the pack of sub-notebooks that are in the works. letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 10:05:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA10969 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28771; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:01:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28370; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28358; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16313 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:01:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 19 Jul 98 16:01:16 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 19 Jul 98 16:00:50 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.130) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40) with ESMTP; 19 Jul 98 16:00:43 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02640 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:59:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199807191359.PAA02640@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:59:03 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fuel guage Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:20:34 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Just click on the faucet.. >it'll change.. >the size of the stream of water = the speed of the cpu.. :-) Does that really mean "speed of CPU"? I think it switches between automatic, custom and full power in the powersavings mode if one click on it and looking at it it displays which mode is used. Big steam of water is: Powermanagement disabled, a hand means custom and a thin stream is used for automatic, I think. CPU-speed can be switched in ThinkPad features on powermanagement page. >Lou Wiener wrote: > >> When I have the fuel guage displayed there are times that the faucet has a >> wide stream and times it has a narrow stream. I cannot find any detailed >> info in the manual. I have a TP 380ED. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> -lou- > > > >-- >Happy Trails... :-) >** Bill Morrow ** >WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com >DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe >bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com >770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad >Win95B & Win98 > > > > -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 12:32:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12173 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01421; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:23:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01166; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01154; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA04855; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:28:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:28:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury cc: "Brianb@datasync.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: I/O address for 3COM 3C589 Etherlink III PC Card In-Reply-To: <199807190809.BAA18145@stevie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Try IO 300 (which is quite standard, especially on the 3COM cards on all three > Pentiums here). I long ago standardized on IRQ 10 and IO port 300 on all my Etherlink III's [plain ol' ISA 3c509] and haven't had a bit of trouble since. I have two in Linux boxen and two in Win95 boxen plus a "test" card I pop in systems that come in the house to save time moving files about. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 15:40:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13917 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04468; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:36:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04287; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.magibox.net (postal.magibox.net [206.26.142.145]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04273; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dan (demeter-22.magibox.net [206.28.74.86]) by postal.magibox.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id OAA13929; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:36:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35B24AF9.3C4B@magibox.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:37:29 -0500 From: Dan Davis Reply-To: shadow@magibox.net Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: "Robert J. Karp" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com References: <001601bdb311$a862b8e0$2b1f46c6@rkarp> <35B1E961.5BE1@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I guess it depends on what kind of display you have. Having an older 755Cs, my experience is that full motion video and even games don't look too hot on screen. Sounds like the newer displays are much better. Cheers, Dan Davis shadow@magibox.net ddavi32@jcpenney.com Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > DVD movies are GREAT on a laptop screen. You are very misinformed! > > Robert J. Karp wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan Davis > > To: Bruce Markowitz > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 7:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com > > > > >> 2. How does this machine achieve DVD playback (with the "optional" DVD > > >> drive? Does it use a ZV PCMCIA DVD card, or is the IBM DVD (MPEG2) > > adaptor > > >> something different?? > > > > > >Thats sort of a cliche. Who knows. DVD playback can be done in software > > or in > > >hardware. Chances are its not going to look very pretty on a laptop. > > Could > > >you imagine watching a movie on a laptop screen? > > > > Sorry, Dan, but I beg to differ. DVD movies play superbly on my 770's 14.1" > > display. They are, to me, thoroughly enjoyable. > > > > As to the question asked, I do not know what specific 770 machines are being > > discussed as being available from CompUSA. All 770s will accept the > > Enhanced Video Adapter; at least two come with the Adapter already included. > > The adapter provides hardware MPEG-1, MPEG-2 HHR, and full MPEG-2 decoding. > > Audio, however, is decoded via software. Performance is, again, first-rate. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 15:50:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13951 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04949; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:47:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04751; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04739; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash2-103.flash.net [209.30.74.103]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28422 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:46:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35B234BD.E4F4F984@flash.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:02:37 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Y2K bios upgrades References: <199807150633.XAA04375@patty.loop.com> <35ACA6C0.94650CEC@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >There is a Y2K page at Microsoft. This is what I got back when I > >checked there earlier: There is a file put out by Microsoft named win95y2k.exe (251KB) that upgrades Windows 95 to y2k compliance. Check to see if your Command.com is dated 3/23/1998. Also, for full compliance, go into My Computer, Control Panel, Regional Settings and make sure your setting for date uses a four digit year. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 17:52:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15618 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06677; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:47:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06443; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06431; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26612 invoked from network); 19 Jul 1998 21:47:13 -0000 Received: from du153-243.ppp.algonet.se (HELO Ok?nd) (195.100.243.153) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 19 Jul 1998 21:47:13 -0000 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Peter" Subject: Video on 755Cs ?! Date: Sun, 19 Jul 98 23:46:46 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Well, I guess it depends on what kind of display you have. Having an >older 755Cs, my experience is that full motion video and even games >don't look too hot on screen. Sounds like the newer displays are much >better. Dan ! Isn't the screen on the 755Cs of DSTN type? There is really a huge difference between TFT and DSTN. I personally found the TFT screen on the 755CD brilliant, but that may be because I have never seen the new 770 14" screen in real life. The 755CD did very well with games with 64K colours, there were no ghost images or flicker or anything. But the processor was way to slooow for some of the games I tried. Lara Crofts seemed real tired when I tried a demo with her. She even got eaten by a tiger (or was that my fault : - | ) /Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 20:52:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17616 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09336; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:24:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09126; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (root@ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09113; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (va138.idsonline.com [205.177.128.138]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05252; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:15:55 -0400 Message-ID: <005201bdb374$b6d91460$8a80b1cd@asalzberg> From: "Arthur J. Salzberg" To: , "Jerry Cudmore" Subject: Re: 770 & WIN98 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:24:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 770ED with suspend and resume working, but only after a "clean install" and APM support only. Despite the new 1.21 bios, APCI is NOT completely supported, and suspend and resume will not work if you install Win 98 with the /pj switch. "Who is wise? The one who learns from all." Ben Zoma -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cudmore To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 7:24 AM Subject: 770 & WIN98 >Has anybody successfully installed WIN98 on a 770ED AND have resume working >properly? >Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 19 21:51:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA18337 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11081; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:46:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10784; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10771; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computername ([12.68.136.66]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980720014527.EMYB26885@computername>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:45:27 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: Cc: "Robert J. Karp" , Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:39:18 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980720014527.EMYB26885@computername> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You said it right there. You have a dual scan display. Forget watching movies, I can't even imagine using one of those at all! ---------- > From: Dan Davis > To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net > Cc: Robert J. Karp ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com > Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 3:37 PM > > Well, I guess it depends on what kind of display you have. Having an > older 755Cs, my experience is that full motion video and even games > don't look too hot on screen. Sounds like the newer displays are much > better. > > Cheers, > Dan Davis > shadow@magibox.net > ddavi32@jcpenney.com > > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > DVD movies are GREAT on a laptop screen. You are very misinformed! > > > > Robert J. Karp wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dan Davis > > > To: Bruce Markowitz > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 7:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: Cheap 770's at CompUsa.com > > > > > > >> 2. How does this machine achieve DVD playback (with the "optional" DVD > > > >> drive? Does it use a ZV PCMCIA DVD card, or is the IBM DVD (MPEG2) > > > adaptor > > > >> something different?? > > > > > > > >Thats sort of a cliche. Who knows. DVD playback can be done in software > > > or in > > > >hardware. Chances are its not going to look very pretty on a laptop. > > > Could > > > >you imagine watching a movie on a laptop screen? > > > > > > Sorry, Dan, but I beg to differ. DVD movies play superbly on my 770's 14.1" > > > display. They are, to me, thoroughly enjoyable. > > > > > > As to the question asked, I do not know what specific 770 machines are being > > > discussed as being available from CompUSA. All 770s will accept the > > > Enhanced Video Adapter; at least two come with the Adapter already included. > > > The adapter provides hardware MPEG-1, MPEG-2 HHR, and full MPEG-2 decoding. > > > Audio, however, is decoded via software. Performance is, again, first-rate. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 02:33:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22157 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26228; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:28:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26060; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26048; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23005 invoked by alias); 20 Jul 1998 06:27:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 22992 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1998 06:27:52 -0000 Received: from pdx74-i48-40.teleport.com (HELO execed4.usc.edu) (204.202.173.246) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 06:27:52 -0000 Message-ID: <35B22CCB.7B51@teleport.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:28:43 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Organization: Allied Inspection Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win98 on 701...More References: <199807190503.BAA09644@water.waterw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I really hate to ask, but I missed some of the earlier discussion... Has anyone actually got 98 up and running on a 701? Bill's Thinkpad.com site says he has the beta working just fine. Thanks, Bryan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 02:38:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22210 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26644; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:33:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26295; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26271; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA10968; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:33:19 -1000 Message-ID: <005901bdb3a8$737ea840$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Jane Loyless" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: I got a 770! Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:34:25 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Where did you find a Silicon Sports backpack at any price? I need a new >one, and I thought Kensington bought them and killed them off. These nevertheless seem to be widely available; there's a guy on the Usenet laptop newsgroup that sells them for under $30 (though I wouldn't suggest buying from him!), and occasionally they pop up at liquidators for much less. A stationery store here in town has a big selection, but they want $40 for them. Also, Zing Designs sells neoprene laptop cases of comparable quality, see http://www.zingdesigns.com/html/body_z_4.htm David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 06:47:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA24739 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14667; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:42:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14506; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mlc.de (mlc-rimnet.mlc.de [195.4.240.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14494; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:42:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by mail.mlc.de(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 41256647.0040C5AA ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:47:29 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: MLC RATINGEN@MLCEXTERN To: Thinkpad List Message-ID: <41256647.003FF4E7.00@mail.mlc.de> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [TP770] TrackPoint, NT, and MS Products Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=nxDbLjtyFVUwd2Cm3BO4J1dWEa50e09jA8eIfkO3hT4gr7xWBTfRBhf4" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --0__=nxDbLjtyFVUwd2Cm3BO4J1dWEa50e09jA8eIfkO3hT4gr7xWBTfRBhf4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Eric: Thanks, that solved the problem for MS Internet Explorer. Unfortunately, that's the one MS application I don't use :-( What's the place to report problems with IBM's drivers, anyway? Or does anybody else know of a solution to my problem? Thanks, Stefan Tilkov --- |-------------> |(Embedded | |image moved | |to file: | |PIC18874.PCX)| |-------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------| | | |Eric Giles | |17.07.98 14:47 | >------------------------------------------------------------------| An: Thinkpad List cc: (bcc: tpml) Thema: Re: [TP770] TrackPoint, NT, and MS Products Hi Stefan- There was an issue with some MS apps and the original Trackpoint III drivers. Go to IBM's web page and download the newest Trackpoint drivers. This should fix your problem (at least it did for me). Here is the URL: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/b15a.html Hope this helps... Eric Giles Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: > > Is anyone else experiencing problems with the new trackpoint, MS > applications and NT 4? 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King" To: "Bryan Daum" , Subject: RE: Win98 on 701...More Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:44:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bdb3dc$1ea133e0$0101c0a8@mycroft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <35B22CCB.7B51@teleport.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Bryan! > I really hate to ask, but I missed some of the earlier discussion... > > Has anyone actually got 98 up and running on a 701? Bill's > Thinkpad.com site says he > has the beta working just fine. I installed the Windows 98 beta over a working Windows 95/Internet Explorer 4.0 installation on my 701 and when the beta ended and Microsoft sent the beta testers a copy of the release version of 98, I installed that over the beta. In general, I find that 98 is somewhat more stable and less likely to crash than was 95. Otherwise, there doesn't seem to be much difference. For what its worth, I had installed the flash BIOS upgrades that IBM published on its web site for Windows 95 when I installed that operating system. Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robtking@prioritysolutions.com http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 11:33:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27961 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25909; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:25:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25684; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25651; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pritzr (ts9port20.port.net [207.38.252.20]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14071 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807201525.LAA14071@amsterdam.interport.net> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.interport.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.31 (Beta) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:25:25 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: nic/modem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm thinking of getting a 56k (x2/v.90) modem and 10/100 nic for my Thinkpad 560. Modem should fax and be usable with a cell phone. Any preferred brands? Would it be better to get a combo card or a separate modem and nic? Finally, I may get a TP 600 which has a built-in modem. Is the built in modem ok, or would I want to use a pcmcia modem with the unit? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 11:48:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28178 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26902; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26680; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com (ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com [206.135.184.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26663; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roychen ([10.1.4.140]) by ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA11182 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:42:55 -0700 From: "Roy Chen" To: Subject: warm docking cd-rom Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:39:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdb3f4$960d7b60$cb2819ac@roychen.us.ingrammicro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a TP 760XL. I just recently got a 4X internal cd-rom for it. For some reason, I cannot warm dock the cd. When I try, the CD-ROM device doesn't show up. I have to restart for it to recognize. Are there special device drivers I need to install? FYI, using Win98. -Roy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 12:48:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29172 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00518; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:42:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00219; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00204; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com ([206.96.182.74]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17138; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: <35B37435.2F0EFFF6@ro.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:45:41 -0500 From: Jeff Jackowski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roy Chen CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: warm docking cd-rom References: <000001bdb3f4$960d7b60$cb2819ac@roychen.us.ingrammicro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Roy Chen wrote: > > I have a TP 760XL. I just recently got a 4X internal cd-rom for it. For > some reason, I cannot warm dock the cd. When I try, the CD-ROM device > doesn't show up. I have to restart for it to recognize. Are there special > device drivers I need to install? > FYI, using Win98. You'll have to do one of two things: *Have the CD ROM drive in at boot time so the OS finds the CD-ROM drive. Warm docking should work fine until the next boot. *Force the system to belive that an ATAPI CD-ROM drive is present on the first IDE bus as the second/slave IDE device. I don't know how to do that with Windows. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 13:06:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29448 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01723; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:28 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01319; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA20310; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28016; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computername ([12.67.146.103]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980718232434.CAAU7061@computername>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:24:34 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "radmax" , Subject: Re: TP 755CE display problems Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:18:49 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980718232434.CAAU7061@computername> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If it was made in Nov 1995, it would still be under warranty. IBM gives three years more or less unconditional. If the screen and case are not physically broken (cracked), I imagine they will fix it. ---------- From: radmax To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 755CE display problems Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 1:36 AM I just received a ThinkPad 755CE/7BE (appears to be made around Nov,95) that I bought through eBay Auction. Advertised as LCD display not working, it doesn't. The TP external display functions work, and NO FRU code comes up during power up, nor is there any problems reported using the diagnostics. Other than that, the thing works fine. I have taken the whole thing apart, contact cleaned everything, and almost completely reassembled it, powered up, and still no LCD. The backlight does NOT light up, nor is there anything showing onscreen using a penlight shining through the LCD. Yet it still shows no problems during testing. The LCD itself has NO apparent physical damage, but the system has obviously been mishandled along the way. >From reading posts on the newsgroups, I have seen IBM has a 3 year warranty program, but how far does this go IF you have done anything to the system? (I wasn't the first) Does anyone have any enlightenment to give me. Is there a way to test the DC-DC card or the Interposer card (even though its not listed below)? Can I obtain the pinouts to continuity test the band cable connector >from the interposer card to the LCD controller card, or the controller card itself? >From IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual...... Symptom/Error FRU/Action One beep and a blank, 1. Reseat all LCD unreadable, or flashing connectors. LCD. 2. LCD Assembly 3. System Board 4. DC/DC Card ANY help would be appreciated. Richard Urban radmax@ipa.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 13:10:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29516 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02156; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:04:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01845; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01734; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial40.waterw.com (dial40.waterw.com [209.107.20.55]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA12572 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807201704.NAA12572@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: warm docking cd-rom Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000001bdb3f4$960d7b60$cb2819ac@roychen.us.ingrammicro.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 20 Jul 98 at 8:39, Roy Chen wrote: > I have a TP 760XL. I just recently got a 4X internal cd-rom for it. For > some reason, I cannot warm dock the cd. When I try, the CD-ROM device > doesn't show up. I have to restart for it to recognize. Are there special > device drivers I need to install? > > FYI, using Win98. Let me know how you make out, I've never been able to warm dock the CD in my 760XL either under WIN98 unless it was in when I booted the unit. Then it would swap OK. But if you re-boot without it installed, it isn't recognized. Regards, James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 13:29:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29958 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03359; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:24:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03195; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03181; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com ([206.96.182.74]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24793; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:24:30 -0500 Message-ID: <35B37E33.EE44984E@ro.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:28:19 -0500 From: Jeff Jackowski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: warm docking cd-rom References: <199807201704.NAA12572@water.waterw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu James H. E. Maugham wrote: > > On 20 Jul 98 at 8:39, Roy Chen wrote: > > > I have a TP 760XL. I just recently got a 4X internal cd-rom for it. For > > some reason, I cannot warm dock the cd. When I try, the CD-ROM device > > doesn't show up. I have to restart for it to recognize. Are there special > > device drivers I need to install? > > > > FYI, using Win98. > > Let me know how you make out, I've never been able to warm dock the CD in my > 760XL either under WIN98 unless it was in when I booted the unit. Then it would > swap OK. But if you re-boot without it installed, it isn't recognized. That's normal because if the CDROM isn't in at boot, then OS finds no CDROM drive attached. There isn't anything in the hardware to tell the software a CDROM might appear because its just a regular IDE controller. Like any desktop, its not going to use a CD-ROM it didn't find at boot. With OS/2, you have to tell the IDE driver "thou shalt believe a CDROM drive is there" so that a warm swap works when the CDROM isn't inserted at boot. You'll need to do the same thing with whatever you're running. I looked at the SCSI setup in WinNT's control panel (odd that IDE should appear there . . .) and it has the IDE drivers, but no options for it. Apparently Windows knows best. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 14:08:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00704 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01831; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:38 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01333; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA20326; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16224; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p34.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.168]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA17938; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807190806.BAA17938@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dan Davis" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 98 01:04:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PCMCIA & hard disk under Warp Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't care if the sound works, but I definitely need >support for PCMCIA devices. Also, any comments on how this >configuration will perform? Warp 4 will support the 755, and PCMCIA support is MUCH better than that of Warp 3. In fact, in some ways, it's better than that of Win95 (IMO). One question, how are you going to install? By CD-ROM, estimate about 1-2 hours (configuring and installing). By floppy, try 6! And I did this 3 times for my 701 (and have to again, as soon as I fix my HD problem :( ). Installation isn't too hard, but I found that Network Peer didn't install as well as that of Warp 4. Networking itself, like TCP/IP, is VERY easy (easier than I thought before I got my hub). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 17:19:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04194 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16854; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:16:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16594; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16581; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-69-122.swissonline.ch [195.24.69.122]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA25550 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:15:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199807202115.XAA25550@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:14:19 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: Joystick, MIDI and OS/2 [755] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I would like to use my MIDI/Joystick port under OS/2 on my 755 CDV. This po= rt is running ok because under Win95, I can use the two above functions. But under OS/2, I was until now not successfull. So, where can I find somebody specialized in Mwave, MIDI, OS/2 and ThinkPad= ? TIA Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions I'm running OS/2 because I want choice 07/20/98 16:07:57 Francois Hurter abacab@swissonline.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 20:28:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07014 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23768; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:20:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23624; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.myna.com (smtp.tor.myna.net [205.206.174.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23605; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manson ([206.186.80.235]) by mail.myna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42626U10000L1000S0) with ESMTP id AAA241 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:20:32 -0400 From: "Manson Mak" To: Subject: Re: Microsoft wheel mouse Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:07:47 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdb400$eb496f60$LocalHost@manson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello..anyone had any experience with microsoft wheel mouse with the thinkpad? the mouse which had to install the intellipoint driver and can use the middle wheel for scrolling down documents and in the web. I have not installed the driver for afraid the TP might crash. My TP is 600 but i think other TP might be similar Thanks Mac From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 21:22:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07704 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25297; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:12:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25167; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25154; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29-m13-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p29-m13-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [202.27.179.221]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id xa286881 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:12:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdb445$21ef0ea0$ddb31bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: Microsoft wheel mouse Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:15:58 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mac, I have the logitech version of this mouse on my 770. The scroll wheel works beautifully. BUT it's drivers lay on top of the trackpoints ones and so you cannot use the trackpoint's third button to scroll nicely like it used to (when you do not have the external mouse pluged in) but the third button acts just like a third button on a normal mouse and it's function is settable by the wheel's drivers. Also, you MUST have the external mouse plugged in at boot time for the wheel to work. Regards, Andreas!! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Manson Mak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft wheel mouse >Hello..anyone had any experience with microsoft wheel mouse with the >thinkpad? the mouse which had to install the intellipoint driver and can use >the middle wheel for scrolling down documents and in the web. > >I have not installed the driver for afraid the TP might crash. My TP is 600 >but i think other TP might be similar >Thanks > >Mac > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 21:34:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07848 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26167; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:30:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25999; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.area54.net (mercury.area54.net [205.177.191.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25978; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA30574; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:30:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:30:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael To: Bryan Daum cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win98 on 701...More In-Reply-To: <35B22CCB.7B51@teleport.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I tried 4.10.1650 Beta 3 on mine but it was much slower than OSR2 so I went back. Had no problems with the operation for the 5 days or so I left it installed. 701c 75mhz 24mb 2.1g On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Bryan Daum wrote: > I really hate to ask, but I missed some of the earlier discussion... > > Has anyone actually got 98 up and running on a 701? Bill's Thinkpad.com site says he > has the beta working just fine. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 20 23:28:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09498 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29195; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:25:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29048; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29036; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates (ts3p19.ro.com [205.216.92.81]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03529 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:25:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199807210325.WAA03529@sh1.ro.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 22:25:21 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807202115.XAA25550@swissonline.ch> Subject: Re: Joystick, MIDI and OS/2 [755] X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Francois Hurter said the following on the auspicious date of 98-07-20: >Hi, >I would like to use my MIDI/Joystick port under OS/2 on my 755 CDV. This >port is running ok because under Win95, I can use the two above >functions. But under OS/2, I was until now not successfull. >So, where can I find somebody specialized in Mwave, MIDI, OS/2 and >ThinkPad ? TIA >Francois I've got a 765D that I just connected a joystick to -- works great. I'm using the joystick devivce driver and I'm being careful to boot with the joystick connected. I haven't tried MIDI. -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup "Luncheon meats make the sawdust in your stomach explode." -- Crow T. Robot From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 01:22:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11062 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02846; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:19:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02630; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02617; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (153.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.153]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA20995; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B42566.48E4F78E@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:21:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael CC: Bryan Daum , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win98 on 701...More References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu the, uhh.. i think it was RC-1, works fine except for two small bugs.. 1. the machine would not shut down when the OS wanted it to.. 2. the suspend would not suspend.. i have been SO BUSY i could not take time to run a comparison between the 3.2gig and original 720meg HDD's or do other stuff on the 701 that i promised.. one of which is put the release version of win98 on the 701.. Michael wrote: > I tried 4.10.1650 Beta 3 on mine but it was much slower than OSR2 so I > went back. Had no problems with the operation for the 5 days or so I left > it installed. > > 701c 75mhz 24mb 2.1g > > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Bryan Daum wrote: > > > I really hate to ask, but I missed some of the earlier discussion... > > > > Has anyone actually got 98 up and running on a 701? Bill's Thinkpad.com site says he > > has the beta working just fine. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryan > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 01:24:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11077 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03089; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:21:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02813; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02746; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (153.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.153]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA21241; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B425D5.B19C0EB1@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:23:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Michaelides CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Microsoft wheel mouse References: <001001bdb445$21ef0ea0$ddb31bca@amlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu pretty stupid, i think, not making the third button available to be a double click or the like.. a'la the logitech 3 button mouns drivers.. yes..? no..??? :-) Andreas Michaelides wrote: > Mac, > > I have the logitech version of this mouse on my 770. The scroll wheel works > beautifully. BUT it's drivers lay on top of the trackpoints ones and so you > cannot use the trackpoint's third button to scroll nicely like it used to > (when you do not have the external mouse pluged in) but the third button > acts just like a third button on a normal mouse and it's function is > settable by the wheel's drivers. > > Also, you MUST have the external mouse plugged in at boot time for the wheel > to work. > > Regards, > Andreas!! > ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Manson Mak > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: Microsoft wheel mouse > > >Hello..anyone had any experience with microsoft wheel mouse with the > >thinkpad? the mouse which had to install the intellipoint driver and can > use > >the middle wheel for scrolling down documents and in the web. > > > >I have not installed the driver for afraid the TP might crash. My TP is 600 > >but i think other TP might be similar > >Thanks > > > >Mac > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 01:27:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11106 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03390; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:24:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03132; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03120; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (153.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.153]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA21660; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B42679.15BD4D54@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:26:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: warm docking cd-rom References: <199807201704.NAA12572@water.waterw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu did you make the CD drivers resident..?? there is a switch to do that.. read the docs on the CD drivers diskette.. this MIGHT help.. :-) James H. E. Maugham wrote: > On 20 Jul 98 at 8:39, Roy Chen wrote: > > > I have a TP 760XL. I just recently got a 4X internal cd-rom for it. For > > some reason, I cannot warm dock the cd. When I try, the CD-ROM device > > doesn't show up. I have to restart for it to recognize. Are there special > > device drivers I need to install? > > > > FYI, using Win98. > > Let me know how you make out, I've never been able to warm dock the CD in my > 760XL either under WIN98 unless it was in when I booted the unit. Then it would > swap OK. But if you re-boot without it installed, it isn't recognized. > > Regards, > > James -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 01:36:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11222 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03919; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:33:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03788; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03771; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (168.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.168]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA23035; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B428BE.C9EFF239@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:35:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Wanger CC: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Fuel guage References: <199807191359.PAA02640@magrathea@stelarcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Geeze.. i'm not SURE now.. this info was from the 760CD or early 760ED.. i THOUGHT it set whatever you had selected in the power management applet.. now you want me to actually DO something.. ? :-) Alexander Wagner wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:20:34 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >Just click on the faucet.. > >it'll change.. > >the size of the stream of water = the speed of the cpu.. :-) > > Does that really mean "speed of CPU"? I think it switches between automatic, > custom and full power in the powersavings mode if one click on it and looking > at it it displays which mode is used. Big steam of water is: Powermanagement > disabled, a hand means custom and a thin stream is used for automatic, I > think. CPU-speed can be switched in ThinkPad features on powermanagement > page. > > >Lou Wiener wrote: > > > >> When I have the fuel guage displayed there are times that the faucet has a > >> wide stream and times it has a narrow stream. I cannot find any detailed > >> info in the manual. I have a TP 380ED. > >> > >> Warm regards, > >> > >> -lou- > > > > > > > >-- > >Happy Trails... :-) > >** Bill Morrow ** > >WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > >DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe > >bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > >770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > >Win95B & Win98 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 > Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken > Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 02:00:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA11745 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04746; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:57:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04611; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04599; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (168.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.168]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA26363; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B42E6E.DBA910AE@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:00:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry Cudmore CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM 9516 LCD Monitors References: <3.0.5.32.19980719083444.0083f100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jerry.. yes.. i have one.. it is excellent.. what i like: the color is fantastic, it is super bright.. this one has a perfect display.. what i don't like: no built in speakers, it uses a thinkpad type power brick, a bit larger than the 770 type with the old style plug.. it has an audible fan.. what i especially don't like: the stand.. clever design that puts the display too high for my taste (it should go down to within 1 inch of the desk surface.. the stand.. it won't allow the display to tilt backward more then about 5(?) degrees max... i like the display to be able to almost lay backward, flat... this display is WAY better than the Philips (not so) Brillance 4500.. and the equal (in color) to the h/p.. philips is 14.5 inch, h/p is 14inch.. all are within 12 inches of each other so the comparison is simple.. :-) uhh.. anyone want to buy the philips..?? (that way i can get another IBM..) Jerry Cudmore wrote: > Has anyone actually seen a IBM 9516 LCD monitor? It's twice the cost of the > competitors with same specs? > Jerry Cudmore -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 02:03:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA11771 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05222; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:01:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04970; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.izap.com ([207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04870; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jg@localhost (fake: stdin ("HELO localhost" ident: "uid#400@localhost")) by shell.izap.com with SMTP id <337923-248>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:00:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Sender: jg@shell.izap.com From: To: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <35B428BE.C9EFF239@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 03:14:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA12680 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09239; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:10:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08470; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout.easynet.de (mailout.easynet.de [194.24.208.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07961; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:09:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from fwvx2301.huk-coburg.de ([194.24.204.146]) by mailout.easynet.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA14816 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:08:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from insc3000.huk-coburg.de (unverified [172.16.1.157]) by fwvx2301.huk-coburg.de (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Di, 21 Jul 1998 09:06:33 +0200 Received: from wspc1085 ([172.16.13.66]) by insc3000.huk-coburg.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 141 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:06:08 +0200 Message-Id: <35B44CAE.2AF8@huk-coburg.de> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:09:18 +0100 Reply-To: wolfgang.mueller@huk-coburg.de Organization: HUK-Coburg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 05:30:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14216 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22997; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:27:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22858; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [194.126.80.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22845; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from client8401.globalnet.co.uk ([194.126.84.1] helo=sb) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu id 0yyYhf-0003ny-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:27:23 +0100 From: "Dr Simon Berrisford" To: "'ThinkPad Mailinglist'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:23:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000301bdb489$bc8a9580$0900a8c0@sb.JUNIPER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDB492.1E4EFD80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDB492.1E4EFD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDB492.1E4EFD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDB492.1E4EFD80-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 05:35:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14301 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23348; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:33:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23191; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zip.com.au (root@mail.zip.com.au [203.12.97.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23179; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zip.com.au (kenny27.zip.com.au [61.8.18.155]) by mail.zip.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10789 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:33:16 +1000 Message-ID: <35B46056.B738571C@zip.com.au> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:33:10 +1000 From: Chris Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP770] AC-3 DVD playback References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I have a tp770 (1au) and have played many dvd's on it quite smoothly. When I switch to AC-3 digital out (with my newly aquired amp) the dvd playback becomes jerky and the voice sometimes gets out of synch with the video. I have set my dvd spped to "high performance" I have at least 250Mb free on all drives C/D/E SoftDVD id the only software i am running any ideas/similar experiences? c. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 07:03:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA15251 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24951; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:01:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24806; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24794; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from summit.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [207.22.43.6]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id GAA11971 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homer.msc.com by summit.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id xa000491 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:17:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980721001141.01e7fb80@mail> X-Sender: steve@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:11:41 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" From: Steve Meisner Subject: Memory upgrades for 760ED Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anybody want to "plug" their favorite distributor for TP760ED memory upgrades??? Please! I have been looking to upgrade my 760ED from 32MB memory to 64MB to run NT more smoothly. Right now it's paging way too much and killing performance. The problem with finding a supplier for the 32MB upgrade is that the prices I am finding range from ~$150 to ~$60. Should I go for the cheapest upgrade -- PNY memory I think. PC Mall advertises IBM parts for about $100. Any comments / votes? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________________________________ Steve Meisner Meisner Software Consulting Office: 603-881-5316 Fax: 603-889-7921 Pager: 617-362-1184 (MA) 603-596-2344 (NH) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 09:55:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17157 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02084; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:50:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01766; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01751; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial6.waterw.com (dial6.waterw.com [209.107.20.21]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01190; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211349.JAA01190@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:46:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: warm docking cd-rom Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <35B42679.15BD4D54@icanect.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 21 Jul 98 at 1:26, Bill Morrow wrote: > did you make the CD drivers resident..?? > there is a switch to do that.. > read the docs on the CD drivers diskette.. this MIGHT help.. :-) Thanks Bill. Yeah, I did that (at least I think so :-(). I've got the unit set up to load one of three setups on boot, docked with net support and CD rom drive, undocked without net but with CD and undocked without net or CD. The default is undocked WITH CD support, but if the drive isn't actually in the machine, the drivers don't load and it defaults to the 3.5 floppy. The floppy drive can be swapped out ad infinitum regardless of whether or not it was installed on startup. I guess this is a case of going back to square one and actually READING the support info that's available. I have to admit that my natural tendency to seek the easiest way out of a situation has me simply plugging in my 6X PCMCIA Adaptec CD drive rather than attempting to re-configure the unit to use the internal drive. I rarely use the CD when I'm travelling, so there's no real problem with having the separate power supply and cables. I normally leave the card in one of the slots and then I can connect the drive (which can also run on batteries) anytime I want. Not as elegant as having the internal CD, but it works. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 09:57:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17184 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02441; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:55:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02159; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02144; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial6.waterw.com (dial6.waterw.com [209.107.20.21]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01426; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211355.JAA01426@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: Jeff Jackowski , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:51:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: warm docking cd-rom (2) Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <35B37E33.EE44984E@ro.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 20 Jul 98 at 12:28, Jeff Jackowski wrote: > With OS/2, you have to tell the IDE driver "thou shalt believe a CDROM > drive is there" so that a warm swap works when the CDROM isn't inserted at > boot. You'll need to do the same thing with whatever you're running. > > I looked at the SCSI setup in WinNT's control panel (odd that IDE should > appear there . . .) and it has the IDE drivers, but no options for it. > Apparently Windows knows best. Exactly my problem Jeff. There's supposed to be a means whereby the CD drivers will load regardless of whether or not the drive is actually in the unit. Apparently 98 and 95 aren't happy with that state of affairs and the drivers aren't loaded if the drive isn't installed. As I said to Bill, it's probably a case of my not having read all of the DOCs that are on the installation CD. Regards, James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 11:55:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18816 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07989; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:49:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07698; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07686; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27656; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:49:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Steve Meisner cc: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Memory upgrades for 760ED In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980721001141.01e7fb80@mail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have NEVER had trouble with "cheap" memory but have had failures from IBM and Kingston... Lots of times the cheapest memory I received was actually a name brand... just not advertised as such.... and I buy a LOT of memory. I have purchased 292 different sets from Chip Merchant and Coast to Coast... and have had very fast service and extremely low prices... also very good luck with www.necx.com... sorry I don't have their URL's handy. Current 64 Mb price from Chip Merchant for chips delivered yesterday... $96.00 Coast to Coast 32 Mb was $59.00 That is for company purchases. For personal purchases, I go with NECX as all the chips from them have been Visontek or better Ray > I have been looking to upgrade my 760ED from 32MB memory to 64MB to run NT > more smoothly. Right now it's paging way too much and killing performance. > > The problem with finding a supplier for the 32MB upgrade is that the prices > I am finding range from ~$150 to ~$60. Should I go for the cheapest upgrade From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 13:37:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20636 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13505; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13251; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com (ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com [206.135.184.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13237; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roychen ([10.1.3.226]) by ingrammicro.ingrammicro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA29687 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:32:16 -0700 From: "Roy Chen" To: Subject: RE: warm docking cd-rom (2) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:28:51 -0700 Message-ID: <003001bdb4cd$073bd920$cb2819ac@roychen.us.ingrammicro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199807211355.JAA01426@water.waterw.com> Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I did some research into the warm dock situation. IBM's web site contains a matrix of models that support warm-docking the floppy and cd in the ultrabay. I thought that all models of the 760 supported warm docking, however this is not the case. Anyways, the 760XL does NOT support warm docking. No explanation was given as to why. I called tech support, and they couldn't give me an explanation, too. Anyone have any idea? -Roy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 14:52:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21805 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17881; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:48:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17643; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17630; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17061 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1998 18:47:54 -0000 Received: from du96-0.ppp.algonet.se (HELO Ok?nd) (195.100.0.96) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 21 Jul 1998 18:47:54 -0000 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Peter" Subject: Re: warm docking cd-rom Date: Tue, 21 Jul 98 20:38:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My config sys had a switch like this DEVICE=c:\aboot\CDROM\IBMTPCD.sys /R /R = removable I suppose.. It interesting becuase when I tried to use my old Thinkpad driver on a stationary computer I got a drive number that I could change too even though I didn't have the CD pluggen in to the IDE cable, just like in Win95 on teh Thinkpad. I never tried it but maybe I could have had a removable CD on my stationary regards Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 15:05:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22036 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18851; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:00:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18635; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18609; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.70.38.117]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980721190000.GHXF5551@bp>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:00:00 +0000 Message-ID: <35B4E500.159D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:59:12 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Meisner CC: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Memory upgrades for 760ED References: <3.0.5.32.19980721001141.01e7fb80@mail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve Meisner wrote: > > Anybody want to "plug" their favorite distributor for TP760ED memory > upgrades??? Please! Apricon. ThinkPad Proven. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 16:56:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26952 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25109; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:50:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23893; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23869; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id NAA20473 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807212050.NAA20473@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 keyboard stiff? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone else who upgraded from a 755 series Thinkpad to a 770 noticed that the 770 keyboard is quite a bit stiffer? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 17:55:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28119 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27856; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:52:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27708; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27696; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA18029; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:51:50 -1000 Message-ID: <001401bdb4f1$edca0640$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Ray Bayles" , "Steve Meisner" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Subject: Re: Memory upgrades for 760ED Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:52:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Current 64 Mb price from Chip Merchant for chips delivered >yesterday... $96.00 Coast to Coast 32 Mb was $59.00 Like Ray, I like the Chip Merchant. However, a quick caveat: after the last recent thread on this subject, I bought a 64 meg chip for my 560. It didn't work. I'm waiting for the exchange to arrive any day now, after which I'll report on the success. BTW, the DIMM they sent me was a no-name module populated with NEC 4564xx chips; I found this odd, since the 4564 is a SDRAM, not an EDO Ram. (The NEC 4264xx series is the comparable EDO chip.) However, the tech guy at Chip Merchant swore that this is the same DIMM they always sell for these machines, and I assume that if it were intrinsically wrong they'd get lots of complaints and stop using it. Anyway, we'll find out soon enough:-) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 21 20:00:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00207 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02019; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:57:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01843; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01821; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ms012632.mindspring.com (pool-207-205-219-213.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.213]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA05222; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:45:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erik Schwer" To: , "Adam Klaum (E-mail)" , "Alisa Dismuke (E-mail)" , "Andras Vancsa (E-mail)" , "Andreas Heide (E-mail)" , "Belz (E-mail)" , "Ann-Marie Guellard MACE (E-mail)" , "Carl & Tina Bagshaw (E-mail)" , "Carl Takacs (E-mail)" , "Christof Marti (E-mail)" , "Cliff \"Kip\" Baylis (E-mail)" , "Clint McMurray (E-mail)" , "Dan Klinedinst (E-mail)" , "Daniel Novomesky (E-mail)" , "Daryl Shockey (E-mail)" , "David Parker (E-mail)" , "Dean Boustead (E-mail)" , "Derek Rice (E-mail)" , "Donald James \"Slim\" Henry (E-mail)" , "Eric Zurlo (E-mail)" , "Frank Perlaky (E-mail)" , "Feywen Morgan (E-mail)" , "Fredric A. 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Scott Simmers (E-mail)" , "Wandi De Bruine (E-mail)" , "Work Reid Muchler (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:41:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bdb501$07c52fc0$d5dbcdcf@ms012632.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 10:45 AM Subject: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Cowboy Wisdom A COWBOY'S GUIDE TO LIFE: DON'T SQUAT WITH YER SPURS ON ! If you're ridin' ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then to make sure it's still there. When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if they learn their lesson. Don't worry about bitin' off more than you can chew. Your mouth is probably a whole lot bigger'n you think. If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' somebody else's dog around. After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him. The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut. If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop diggin'. Never smack a man who's chewin' tobacco. It don't take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep. Never ask a barber if he thinks you need a haircut. Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. Always drink upstream from the herd. Never drop your gun to hug a grizzly. Never kick a fresh cow chip on a hot day. When you're throwin' your weight around, be ready to have it thrown around by somebody else. Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back. Always take a good look at what you're about to eat. It's not so important to know what it is, but it's critical to know what it was. The quickest way to double your money is to fold it over and put it back in your pocket. Never miss a good chance to shut up. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 00:03:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03486 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07670; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:00:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07389; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07373; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA08334; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807220400.VAA08334@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Erik Schwer" Date: Tue, 21 Jul 98 20:59:23 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Why was this forwarded to the list? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 06:34:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA08611 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21208; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:29:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21039; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21027; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-81.az.com (seawesta-81.az.com [204.201.18.81]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA05030 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807221027.DAA05030@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 03:42:56 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Faking Floppy drive? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again, I have noticed all of the talk about warm docking and faking the CD-ROM driver to think there is a drive there when it isn't. Is there a way to do such a thing with the floppy drive? More specifically on an IBM thinkpad 365XD running OS/2 Warp 4.0 no fixpacks. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 07:04:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08919 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22049; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:01:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21911; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21859; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a59.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.59]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA12796; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807221101.HAA12796@pike.sover.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 05:30:08 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Erik Schwer"@sover.net In-Reply-To: <199807220400.VAA08334@stevie.loop.com> Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu "Paul Khoury" said >Why was this forwarded to the list? Because its funny. letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 10:11:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11252 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28534; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:04:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27623; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27610; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com ([206.96.182.74]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26448; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:03:59 -0500 Message-ID: <35B5F231.8C50C1C@ro.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:07:46 -0500 From: Jeff Jackowski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Faking Floppy drive? References: <199807221027.DAA05030@lucy.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu LightSide wrote: > > Hello again, > > I have noticed all of the talk about warm docking and faking the CD-ROM driver to think there is a drive there > when it isn't. Is there a way to do such a thing with the floppy drive? More specifically on an IBM thinkpad > 365XD running OS/2 Warp 4.0 no fixpacks. There sure is a way. Look up the IBM1FLPY driver in the online OS/2 Warp Command Reference (unless you created your own way to install OS/2, this reference is installed under Information on the desktop). The reference will show you what parameters to use to force the driver to belive some floppy drives exists. If your ThinkPad has only one place where a floppy can be installed, like only internally, then force the existance of one 1.44MB floppy as the first floppy. If you can connect the floppy internally and externally, then force the existance of two 1.44MB floppies. You'll have to guess the drive letters when you use the floppy (my 765D keeps changing them for the floppy), but it'll work fine. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 10:41:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11831 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00536; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:38:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00301; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00288; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (hd46-216.hil.compuserve.com [199.174.226.216]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id KAA17331; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980722093704.00806100@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:37:04 -0500 To: From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807221101.HAA12796@pike.sover.net> References: <199807220400.VAA08334@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:30 AM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >"Paul Khoury" said >>Why was this forwarded to the list? > >Because its funny. While whether it is funny or not is a matter of opinion, whether it concerns IBM ThinkPad computers is *not*. There are plenty of interesting and/or funny things out there. We do not need them all to find their way to the ThinkPad mailing list. Thanks, anyway. But, in the future, no thanks. -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 12:16:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13464 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05293; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:13:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04957; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (phr@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04943; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA11336 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807221612.JAA11336@netcom19.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: WTB Ultrabay HD adapter Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know where I can get one of the adapters to put a second HD into a 770 Ultrabay? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 12:19:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13509 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05527; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:16:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05276; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (phr@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05239; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA11631 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807221615.JAA11631@netcom19.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 ultrabay thought Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It occurs to me that they could probably make a 770 with two Ultrabays (instead of the current arrangement with an Ultrabay on the right and a battery compartment on the left). They'd just have to move those connectors from behind the current battery compartment. Then you could run your 770 on AC power with two Ultrabay drives installed and no battery; or they could make the battery big enough to fill the whole Ultrabay, giving a little more operating time. I wonder why they didn't do this. Btw, does anyone know if 760 (Ultrabay I) devices fit in the 770's Ultrabay II? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 13:09:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14305 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08357; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:04:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08136; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08120; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com ([206.96.182.74]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA31657; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <35B61C67.94DFE106@ro.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:07:51 -0500 From: Jeff Jackowski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 ultrabay thought References: <199807221615.JAA11631@netcom19.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Rubin wrote: > > It occurs to me that they could probably make a 770 with two Ultrabays > (instead of the current arrangement with an Ultrabay on the right and > a battery compartment on the left). They'd just have to move those > connectors from behind the current battery compartment. Then you > could run your 770 on AC power with two Ultrabay drives installed and > no battery; or they could make the battery big enough to fill the > whole Ultrabay, giving a little more operating time. I wonder why > they didn't do this. Its possible that the volume that would be used for a second Ultrabay is used for other various internal components (MWave, CPU, etc . . .) that need to go somewhere. They likely don't make the larger batteries because of the greater cost involved in mass producing 2 different batteries versus one type of battery. > Btw, does anyone know if 760 (Ultrabay I) devices fit in the 770's > Ultrabay II? No, they won't fit. Someone wanted to borrow my 765's CDROM to install software on his 770. The drives have very different shapes and different connections. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 13:11:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14393 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08829; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:08:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08457; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08216; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA28920; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807221706.KAA28920@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 10:05:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:37:04 -0500, Ron Heiby wrote: >At 05:30 AM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >>"Paul Khoury" said >>>Why was this forwarded to the list? >> >>Because its funny. > >While whether it is funny or not is a matter of opinion, whether it >concerns IBM ThinkPad computers is *not*. There are plenty of interesting >and/or funny things out there. We do not need them all to find their way to >the ThinkPad mailing list. > >Thanks, anyway. But, in the future, no thanks. Well, at least SOMEONE agrees with me. :) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 13:23:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14550 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09961; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:20:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09644; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09615; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.218]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27877; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001801bdb595$18c4d7f0$da769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Erik Schwer" Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:20:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Erik, I agree with Paul. ***** FLAME ON ***** This is a case where you apparently found the joke funny and BLINDLY and UNTHINKINGLY forwarded it to EVERYONE in your entire email address book. (Take a peek at the headers.) Please folks, we all get enough email without having to wade ankle deep through thoughtless forwardings. Send only ThinkPad related stuff to the ThinkPad list. ***** FLAME OFF ***** David Taylor, Detayls From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 13:25:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14624 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10112; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:21:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09709; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09689; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.77.249.27]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980722172019.PLBN4365@bp>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:20:19 +0000 Message-ID: <35B61F22.4A5B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:19:30 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB Ultrabay HD adapter References: <199807221612.JAA11336@netcom19.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Rubin wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get one of the adapters to put a > second HD into a 770 Ultrabay? Thanks. Try PC Connection Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 14:11:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15326 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08483; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:05:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08188; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08173; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA28778; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807221706.KAA28778@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: ""Erik Schwer"@sover.net" <"Erik Schwer"@sover.net>, "letoured@sover.net" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 10:04:43 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Jul 98 05:30:08 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >"Paul Khoury" said >>Why was this forwarded to the list? > >Because its funny. Not as funny as some stuff I've seen. :) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 14:12:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15342 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10488; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:23:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09968; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09931; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp.humana.com (msn-3-16.binc.net [205.173.178.63]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA15478 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:22:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000701bdb595$59f19100$3fb2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: [TP770/E/ED] Win98 Installation Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:22:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just installed Win98 clean to my 770E. Everything went very smoothly except for one minor (but annoying) glitch. I am writing to see if anyone else has encountered this behavior, or if anyone knows the cause: One needs to apply (two) registry patches obtainable from IBM (they're distributed as a "Windows 98 Supplemental File Diskette"). However, I could not get these patches to be entered into the Registry whether I double-clicked the files or imported them from within Regedit itself. I *would* receive the message that the data *had* been merged into the Registry, but in point of fact the data was not merged. It was almost an hour before I figured Windows 98 was lying to me about the data being entered (I mean I had never encountered this behavior before so never entertained the possibility) and it wasn't until I keyed in the data manually that I could finally stop Windows from enumerating a duplicate IDE controller. Anyway, again, has anyone experienced this odd behavior of a .reg file not being merged into the Registry even after Windows stating it was, or know of its cause? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 14:25:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15550 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13461; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:21:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13210; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13176; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:21:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1988 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <880721111753.2020914d@TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU> Subject: numeric keypads Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm presently using my new 600 for what it is intended for: letting me get work done when I'm not in my office. I'm getting a bit frustrated, however, at thelack of a From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 14:58:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16073 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15402; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:54:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15170; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15158; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980722185412.14295.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [195.29.225.59] by send101.yahoomail.com; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:54:12 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Marvell Subject: [760CD] Stiff Keys To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Since I bought my Thinkpad 760 a couple of months ago, I've problems with the keyboard. Some keys are really stiffy, so when I hit them, they would not register on the screen. I phoned IBM service, but they could not give me any help. I need my computer every day, therefore it would be a real pain to send it to a customer service. I checked older postings in several newsgroups and realized that other ppl have the same problem with stiff keys. I am be ready to pay $200 for a new keyboard, if this will help solving my problem. Does anyone have the same experience or have an advice? -Andrew _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 15:26:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16573 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18027; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:22:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17735; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollon.datashopper.dk (boo@apollon.datashopper.dk [194.19.129.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17704; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from boo@localhost) by apollon.datashopper.dk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA01504; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:27:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:27:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bo Elkjaer To: Andrew Marvell cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [760CD] Stiff Keys In-Reply-To: <19980722185412.14295.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Andrew Marvell wrote: > Since I bought my Thinkpad 760 a couple of months ago, I've problems > with the keyboard. Some keys are really stiffy, so when I hit them, I have the same problem. Did you buy your 760 new? Mine is 9 months old,=20 and the problem is increasing rapidly - and annoyingly. All letter-keys=20 lock up on occasion and the mostly used keys do it regularly. Pain in the= =20 f#%=A4%&g ass if you ask me. (I'm a journalist writing for a major danish newspaper, and I work on the t= p=20 on a daily basis.) Now. As for solutions. I have none at the moment. (You - and I - could=20 always have the keyboard changed - but what are the chances, that the new= =20 keys will act the same way? ) I will search for info on the subj. and fill you in if I find any. Please= =20 let me know if you come up with something. > they would not register on the screen. I phoned IBM service, but they > could not give me any help. I need my computer every day, therefore it > would be a real pain to send it to a customer service. I checked older > postings in several newsgroups and realized that other ppl have the > same problem with stiff keys. I am be ready to pay $200 for a new > keyboard, if this will help solving my problem. >=20 > Does anyone have the same experience or have an advice? >=20 > -Andrew >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 Boo Bo Elkjaer, Ekstra Bladet, Denmark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 16:14:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17224 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21299; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:09:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21098; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21083; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:09:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1988 13:05:50 -0700 (PDT) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <880721130550.2020914d@TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU> Subject: numeric keypads Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry about the last incomplete message. What I had intended to say is that I really need a numeric keypad for my 600. The IBM model looks good, but I thought it would be good to check all my options. Hot plugging would be nice, Warp and linux drivers are essential. Anybody have relevant experience to share? Thanks -Victor From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 16:17:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17281 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21717; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:13:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21383; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21367; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.135.163]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980722201301.RYVF4365@760> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:13:01 +0000 Message-ID: <35B64779.1D75@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:11:53 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Anyone get the 770 from CompUSA.com? References: <000701bdb595$59f19100$3fb2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What were your experiences? Dead pixels? All Docs etc? Recovery CD? Able to register it with IBM?? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 16:45:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17737 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23189; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22965; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (root@ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22946; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ajsoffice (va144.idsonline.com [205.177.128.144]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA27690; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:31:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdb5b1$0a5c4560$9080b1cd@ajsoffice> From: "Arthur J. Salzberg" To: "Robert J. Karp" , "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: [TP770/E/ED] Win98 Installation Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:41:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Robert! I have a TP 9549-5AU (770ED) with Win 98 upgrade installed over the original Win 95. Although the system is now working without problem, I experienced difficulty with Win 98 not properly detecting the Monitor and the Hard disk controller. And I also found out the hard way that the ACPI bios does not support resume from stand by mode. I suppose the hard disk controller issue may have been related to the registry not properly updating after installing the IBM supplied patch. System properties currently displays two instances of "standard bus mastering IDE hard disk controller." I assume this is correct, first, b/c the machine works w/o error, and second b/c I assume the Toshiba DVD-Rom and the IDE hard drive are each using a controller. Does your system properties read something different? /best Arthur Salzberg -----Original Message----- From: Robert J. Karp To: ThinkPad Users Group Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 12:17 PM Subject: [TP770/E/ED] Win98 Installation >I just installed Win98 clean to my 770E. Everything went very smoothly >except for one minor (but annoying) glitch. I am writing to see if anyone >else has encountered this behavior, or if anyone knows the cause: > >One needs to apply (two) registry patches obtainable from IBM (they're >distributed as a "Windows 98 Supplemental File Diskette"). However, I could >not get these patches to be entered into the Registry whether I >double-clicked the files or imported them from within Regedit itself. I >*would* receive the message that the data *had* been merged into the >Registry, but in point of fact the data was not merged. It was almost an >hour before I figured Windows 98 was lying to me about the data being >entered (I mean I had never encountered this behavior before so never >entertained the possibility) and it wasn't until I keyed in the data >manually that I could finally stop Windows from enumerating a duplicate IDE >controller. > >Anyway, again, has anyone experienced this odd behavior of a .reg file not >being merged into the Registry even after Windows stating it was, or know of >its cause? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 20:40:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21505 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00940; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:37:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00770; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00758; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:37:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a39.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.39]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA12002; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807230037.UAA12002@pike.sover.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 18:47:13 -0400 To: Ron Heiby , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980722093704.00806100@popmail.mcs.net> Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>Because its funny. >While whether it is funny or not is a matter of opinion, whether it >concerns IBM ThinkPad computers is *not*. There are plenty of interesting >and/or funny things out there. We do not need them all to find their way >to the ThinkPad mailing list. >Thanks, anyway. But, in the future, no thanks. I don't disagree per si, but one can say exactly the same thing about the taglines here that sometimes run 4 or 5 lines. They don't have anything to do with ThinkPads, yet are tolerated. --In fact if they were all added up into one message, I wouldn't be surprised if it amounted to the largest message here some days, so I do think we can tolerate a bit of humor now and them too. letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 21:18:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22072 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02145; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:15:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02011; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01999; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scansrv (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09895; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by scansrv (VPOP3) with SMTP; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:14:49 -0400 From: "Robert Briganti" To: "Ray Bayles" , "Steve Meisner" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Subject: Re: Memory upgrades for 760ED Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:14:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bdb5d7$4a682fe0$0100a8c0@p5-166x2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d - Registered to: LOMAX [DSI] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I buy all my memory from Coast to Coast and have never had a problem. No, I don't work for them and have no interest in their business. Just been treated fairly over the years. http://www.coastmemory.com/c2c.htm -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bayles To: Steve Meisner Cc: ThinkPad Mailinglist Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:51 Subject: Re: Memory upgrades for 760ED >I have NEVER had trouble with "cheap" memory but have had >failures from IBM and Kingston... Lots of times the cheapest >memory I received was actually a name brand... just not >advertised as such.... and I buy a LOT of memory. > >I have purchased 292 different sets from Chip Merchant and >Coast to Coast... and have had very fast service and extremely >low prices... also very good luck with www.necx.com... sorry >I don't have their URL's handy. > >Current 64 Mb price from Chip Merchant for chips delivered >yesterday... $96.00 Coast to Coast 32 Mb was $59.00 > > >That is for company purchases. For personal purchases, I go >with NECX as all the chips from them have been Visontek or better > >Ray > >> I have been looking to upgrade my 760ED from 32MB memory to 64MB to run NT >> more smoothly. Right now it's paging way too much and killing performance. >> >> The problem with finding a supplier for the 32MB upgrade is that the prices >> I am finding range from ~$150 to ~$60. Should I go for the cheapest upgrade > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 21:19:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22094 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28176; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:14:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27980; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27968; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MeMePickMe@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CGSWa12330 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <406b371b.35b67243@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:14:10 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury has now generated three spurious messages to protest the one spurious message to hit his inbox. Wonder how many more we'll see from him before he's done? Sometimes the protest:noise ratio climbs as high as 10:1. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 23:06:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23409 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05052; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:03:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04884; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04872; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 93.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.93]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980723030248.BNNB28912@93.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:02:48 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: tp-500@andrsn.stanford.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PCMCIA Problem Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:03:16 GMT Message-ID: <35baa592.24733343@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just installed Windows 95 on an IBM 500, and have run into a rather weird problem. The pc card slot only works intermittently! I've got the following cards: 3Com XJ1560 56k Modem SimpleJack 33.6 VFD modem Champion 14.4 VFD Modem SunDisk 10MB Flash RAM Viper 340MB ATA Drive Maxtor MobileMax 131MB ATA drive (using Greystone TA-50 with these last two). So far, only the Champion modem (a relabeled Cirrus Logic card) and the SunDisk work in the slot. I get no reaction using any of the other cards, though they work fine on my 560 and I've had the first two modems working without a hitch on a friend's 500 that I installed Windows on for her. It doesn't look like a hardware problem, since the cards that work do so flawlessly every time - it simply won't recognize the other cards. Most of them are newer cards, but the Maxtor would have been around when the 500 was top-of-the-line, so it can't be just that. Any ideas, anyone? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 22 23:24:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23654 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05915; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:21:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05736; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05724; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA07561; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807230322.UAA07561@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "LightSide" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 20:21:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Faking Floppy drive? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Jul 98 03:42:56 -0800, LightSide wrote: > >Hello again, > >I have noticed all of the talk about warm docking and faking the CD-ROM driver to think there is a drive there >when it isn't. Is there a way to do such a thing with the floppy drive? More specifically on an IBM thinkpad >365XD running OS/2 Warp 4.0 no fixpacks. Floppy drive faking? Been doing it since Warp 3. BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD /A:0 /U:0 /CL:AT This will let you connect it at your leasure. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 00:47:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24742 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08469; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:41:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08259; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from serv05.slac.stanford.edu (SERV05.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [134.79.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08247; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slac.stanford.edu ("port 2106"@[134.79.149.156]) by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #23033) with ESMTP id <01IZPSHDHIQY000BLU@SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:41:33 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:41:15 -0700 From: Bob Cowles Subject: Re: [760CD] Stiff Keys To: Bo Elkjaer Cc: Andrew Marvell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <35B6BEEA.DCC7A7C1@slac.stanford.edu> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center X-Envelope-to: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm on my second 760 keyboard and was just about getting to my wits end with the second one (keys stiff, binding, and not going down). I, in fact, rejoined the list earlier this year after being off it for some time in the hope I would find a solution to the 760 keyboard problem. Finally, when I started to seriously believe I would have to get yet another keyboard, the following item was posted. It reccommends a lube for the mouse buttons but I picked up similar stuff and used it on the keyboard with great success so far. Here is the item: Subject: Fixing 755 Mouse Buttons Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:39:47 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Well, the mouse buttons on the used keyboard IBM chose to replace my last broken one with finally crapped out (somehow I just knew they wouldn't last all that long) so I decided to try something we use at work on connectors and switches that decide to quit doing their jobs. It's called Cramoiln R-5, made by Caig Laboraties and was developed for NASA where reliability is very important. This is available in most electronics parts shops - it costs a lot (about US$10) but it really works extremely well - I've gone >from having to use rather heavy pressure to where just a light tap now works again. I injected it through the tops - with the buttons slid out into their locked positions there are two small cracks that provide access down into where the switches themselves are. Care should be used here - it only takes a one molecule thick coating of Cramolin for it to do its thing, a little bit goes a very long way. Using too much means you'll be spending some time cleaning up the excess (it's pretty slippery stuff). I used some Kleenex over the tube going into the buttons when spraying it in to keep it off the rest of the keycaps - not all of it will just disappear down in the mouse buttons. Very light pressure on the spray can nozzle is also a good idea to keep the 'bounce' to a minimum. Bo Elkjaer wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Andrew Marvell wrote: > > > Since I bought my Thinkpad 760 a couple of months ago, I've problems > > with the keyboard. Some keys are really stiffy, so when I hit them, From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 13:11:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06558 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10645; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:04:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10298; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10285; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (11.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.139]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA05122; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B76DB9.47C202F4@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:07:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 ultrabay thought References: <199807221615.JAA11631@netcom19.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. Paul Rubin wrote: > It occurs to me that they could probably make a 770 with two Ultrabays > (instead of the current arrangement with an Ultrabay on the right and > a battery compartment on the left). They'd just have to move those > connectors from behind the current battery compartment. Then you > could run your 770 on AC power with two Ultrabay drives installed and > no battery; or they could make the battery big enough to fill the > whole Ultrabay, giving a little more operating time. I wonder why > they didn't do this. > good idea.. larger battery for UB-II..IMO, not so good for mirror image UB's.. > Btw, does anyone know if 760 (Ultrabay I) devices fit in the 770's > Ultrabay II? 755 HDD's will work as long as they fit physically.. i.e. don't use the UB-II adapter filler part.. 760 HDD's fit and work fine.. 770 HDD's fit, naturally.. nothing else will fit from 76x series and earlier.. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 13:14:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06668 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11097; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:11:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10737; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10663; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (11.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.139]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA07206; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B76F22.ED969BF2@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:13:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 keyboard stiff? References: <199807212050.NAA20473@netcom9.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. Paul Rubin wrote: > Has anyone else who upgraded from a 755 series Thinkpad to a 770 > noticed that the 770 keyboard is quite a bit stiffer? different, yes.. stiffer, no.. just different.. and worlds better than the 760 series keyboard.. NOTHING will ever be as good as the 75x series keyboard.. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 13:18:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06736 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11506; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:15:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11262; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11244; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (11.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.139]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA08935; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B77049.F1287CE6@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:18:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Meisner CC: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Memory upgrades for 760ED References: <3.0.5.32.19980721001141.01e7fb80@mail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve.. check my web site.. apricorn is the only one who has the ability to upgrade a 760ED to 104megs.. the 64meg part does NOT work on the 760ED.. an apricorn 32meg is under $90 delivered.. by a woman in a bikini.. with a bottle of wine and a smile.. :-) Steve Meisner wrote: > Anybody want to "plug" their favorite distributor for TP760ED memory > upgrades??? Please! > > I have been looking to upgrade my 760ED from 32MB memory to 64MB to run NT > more smoothly. Right now it's paging way too much and killing performance. > > The problem with finding a supplier for the 32MB upgrade is that the prices > I am finding range from ~$150 to ~$60. Should I go for the cheapest upgrade > -- PNY memory I think. PC Mall advertises IBM parts for about $100. > > Any comments / votes? > > Thanks, > Steve > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Steve Meisner > Meisner Software Consulting > > Office: 603-881-5316 > Fax: 603-889-7921 > Pager: 617-362-1184 (MA) > 603-596-2344 (NH) -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 13:41:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07086 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13343; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:37:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13074; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13062; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (11.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.139]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA16639; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B77550.4D8EE58B@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:39:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Marvell CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [760CD] Stiff Keys References: <19980722185412.14295.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Andrew.. if the machine is still under warranty, have the keyboard replaced.. best way is to schedule this at a local IBM dealer.. if NOT under warranty, then buy a new keyboard from IBM ($55~) and install it yourself.. its a bit tricky, but relatively straight forward.. those 76x series kbds were crappy.. and yours is WORN OUT..!! Andrew Marvell wrote: > Since I bought my Thinkpad 760 a couple of months ago, I've problems > with the keyboard. Some keys are really stiffy, so when I hit them, > they would not register on the screen. I phoned IBM service, but they > could not give me any help. I need my computer every day, therefore it > would be a real pain to send it to a customer service. I checked older > postings in several newsgroups and realized that other ppl have the > same problem with stiff keys. I am be ready to pay $200 for a new > keyboard, if this will help solving my problem. > > Does anyone have the same experience or have an advice? > > -Andrew > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 13:43:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07160 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13026; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12713; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12691; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (11.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.139]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA15417; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B774A8.81AAC456@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:36:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert J. Karp" CC: ThinkPad Users Group Subject: Re: [TP770/E/ED] Win98 Installation References: <000701bdb595$59f19100$3fb2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert.. this patch is one line.. "71118086 0c 00 00 00" if you search your registry, you'll find that this line is most likely already there.. if it is not, then the patch should install it.. my guess is the line is already there as it is on my win98 RC-2, which is the only version of win98 i am running or even glancing at.. (its on a 770-1AU which i am going to sell) the other patch is for hot docking or some such thing.. you can look at the patches (there are only two) and read the doc (txtg) file for more info and enlightenment.. :-) Robert J. Karp wrote: > I just installed Win98 clean to my 770E. Everything went very smoothly > except for one minor (but annoying) glitch. I am writing to see if anyone > else has encountered this behavior, or if anyone knows the cause: > > One needs to apply (two) registry patches obtainable from IBM (they're > distributed as a "Windows 98 Supplemental File Diskette"). However, I could > not get these patches to be entered into the Registry whether I > double-clicked the files or imported them from within Regedit itself. I > *would* receive the message that the data *had* been merged into the > Registry, but in point of fact the data was not merged. It was almost an > hour before I figured Windows 98 was lying to me about the data being > entered (I mean I had never encountered this behavior before so never > entertained the possibility) and it wasn't until I keyed in the data > manually that I could finally stop Windows from enumerating a duplicate IDE > controller. > > Anyway, again, has anyone experienced this odd behavior of a .reg file not > being merged into the Registry even after Windows stating it was, or know of > its cause? -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 13:51:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07243 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14165; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:47:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13909; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13885; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:46:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from Inbox (slip-166-72-11-175.ga.us.ibm.net [166.72.11.175]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA15440 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:46:50 GMT Message-Id: <199807231746.RAA15440@out2.ibm.net> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: need 560c floppy Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:49 -0400 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone have a spare floppy they want to sell. My old one is out of alignment and will only read disks that it formats. Thanks, Scott Lewis From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 14:33:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07865 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17341; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:29:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17161; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.myna.com (smtp.tor.myna.net [205.206.174.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17056; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manson ([206.186.80.217]) by mail.myna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42626U10000L1000S0) with ESMTP id AAE141; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:28:53 -0400 From: "Manson Mak" To: "Andreas Michaelides" , Subject: Re: Microsoft wheel mouse Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdb4e1$a7914a40$LocalHost@manson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear Andreas, Thanks for replying...sounds like a reasonable deal from microsoft. The other thing is that is it possible to uninstall the intellipoint driver and reinstall the original trackpoint driver if I decided not to use the wheelmouse in the future? Mac -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Michaelides To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft wheel mouse >Mac, > >I have the logitech version of this mouse on my 770. The scroll wheel works >beautifully. BUT it's drivers lay on top of the trackpoints ones and so you >cannot use the trackpoint's third button to scroll nicely like it used to >(when you do not have the external mouse pluged in) but the third button >acts just like a third button on a normal mouse and it's function is >settable by the wheel's drivers. > >Also, you MUST have the external mouse plugged in at boot time for the wheel >to work. > >Regards, >Andreas!! >;-) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Manson Mak >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: Microsoft wheel mouse > > >>Hello..anyone had any experience with microsoft wheel mouse with the >>thinkpad? the mouse which had to install the intellipoint driver and can >use >>the middle wheel for scrolling down documents and in the web. >> >>I have not installed the driver for afraid the TP might crash. My TP is 600 >>but i think other TP might be similar >>Thanks >> >>Mac >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 14:45:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08059 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18055; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:41:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17899; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17886; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-23 #9830) id <01IZQLAXUD9C95MSX3@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:40:54 MST Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:32:27 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: [760CD] Stiff Keys In-reply-to: "Message dated Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:41:15 -0700" <35B6BEEA.DCC7A7C1@slac.stanford.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IZQLS2109C95MSX3@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I'm on my second 760 keyboard and was just about getting to my wits end WOW - I thought on the 755's had this problem. I've gone through three of them over the last three years and I only use mine when I'm out in the field working (in other words, not a whole lot gets typed on it)... > the following item was > posted. It reccommends a lube for the mouse buttons It's actually a contact cleaning solvent plus some kind of conductivity enhancing chemical - after some time I can say it's holding up perfectly, it makes me wish I'd have tried it a lot sooner. I waited until my warranty ran out before I started fooling around with it myself. On the bright side IBM's service has been extremely fast for me with this, it always came back two days after sending it in. My only complaint is the last time they put a used keyboard in, so my advice now would be to get a swap done quickly if you have one due under the warranty, before they run out of brand new replacement keyboards. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 15:32:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08688 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20777; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:27:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20436; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20419; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (186.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.186]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA24037; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B78F02.3179B0E@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:29:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bo Elkjaer CC: Andrew Marvell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [760CD] Stiff Keys References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bo.. please follow this threrad to more info, BUT.. your keyboard has WORN out.. done, kaput, finis'.. get a new one under warranty.. if you need to buy one, they are about $50 USD, here in the USA.. they were crappy kbds and IBM should have redesigned them.. :-) Bo Elkjaer wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Andrew Marvell wrote: > > > Since I bought my Thinkpad 760 a couple of months ago, I've problems > > with the keyboard. Some keys are really stiffy, so when I hit them, > > I have the same problem. Did you buy your 760 new? Mine is 9 months old= , > and the problem is increasing rapidly - and annoyingly. All letter-keys > lock up on occasion and the mostly used keys do it regularly. Pain in t= he > f#%=A4%&g ass if you ask me. > > (I'm a journalist writing for a major danish newspaper, and I work on t= he tp > on a daily basis.) > > Now. As for solutions. I have none at the moment. (You - and I - could > always have the keyboard changed - but what are the chances, that the n= ew > keys will act the same way? ) > > I will search for info on the subj. and fill you in if I find any. Plea= se > let me know if you come up with something. > > > they would not register on the screen. I phoned IBM service, but the= y > > could not give me any help. I need my computer every day, therefore i= t > > would be a real pain to send it to a customer service. I checked olde= r > > postings in several newsgroups and realized that other ppl have the > > same problem with stiff keys. I am be ready to pay $200 for a new > > keyboard, if this will help solving my problem. > > > > Does anyone have the same experience or have an advice? > > > > -Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Boo Bo Elkjaer, Ekstra Bladet, Denmark -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 15:33:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08722 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20967; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:28:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20551; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20529; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (186.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.186]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA24557; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B78F67.FCDD31F1@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:30:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sl@eyequip.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: need 560c floppy References: <199807231746.RAA15440@out2.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu for which machine and which floppy.. 2.88 or 1.44 meg.. sl@eyequip.com wrote: > Anyone have a spare floppy they want to sell. My old one is out of alignment and will only read disks that it formats. > > Thanks, > > Scott Lewis -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 15:37:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08772 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21323; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20921; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20845; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (186.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.186]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA25888; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B79054.CDA2B012@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:34:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Heiby CC: letoured@sover.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) References: <199807220400.VAA08334@stevie.loop.com> <3.0.5.32.19980722093704.00806100@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ohhh.. youse guys.. leave the guy alone.. he was having a good time and did something he should not have done.. so, lets all just relax and treat it like spam.. hit the delete key.. :-) Ron Heiby wrote: > At 05:30 AM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote: > >"Paul Khoury" said > >>Why was this forwarded to the list? > > > >Because its funny. > > While whether it is funny or not is a matter of opinion, whether it > concerns IBM ThinkPad computers is *not*. There are plenty of interesting > and/or funny things out there. We do not need them all to find their way to > the ThinkPad mailing list. > > Thanks, anyway. But, in the future, no thanks. > > -- > Ron. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 15:51:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09072 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22216; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:46:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21883; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ava.slu.edu (sluvca.slu.edu [165.134.1.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21866; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:46:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from sluvca.slu.edu ([165.134.23.94]) by SLU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #24465) with SMTP id <01IZQSAFK1FMB126U7@SLU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:46:44 CDT Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:51:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Let it die To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: tuchledj@SLU.EDU Message-id: <01IZQSAFK9X0B126U7@SLU.EDU> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Priority: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Bill Morrow Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:34:44 -0400 Is there some reason this thread still lives? Let it die! Dennis J. Tuchler Professor of Law St. Louis University 314-977-2793 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 17:41:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA11024 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26833; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:36:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26565; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26553; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980723213624.16653.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [195.29.228.45] by send101.yahoomail.com; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:36:24 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:36:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Marvell Subject: Re: [760CD] Stiff Keys To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As Bill mentioned the relatively low price of a new keyboard ($50) I will try to get or order one at a local, authorized thinkpad dealer. Hopefully this will make the Thinkpad enjoyable again. And yes, my warrenty is out.....stupid me that I did not replace the keys from the very beginning (but who would think that a brand-new "high-end" notebook needs a keyboard replacement?). Btw, last time I asked the dealer for a 5-1/4-kit for my docking station, he wasn't willing to order it for me w/o also installing it of course with charging money. Is it possible for me to order the keyboard directly at IBM? Thank you again for your fast reply!!! -Andrew _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 18:24:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11652 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28663; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:20:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28520; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28508; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.77.217.45]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980723221937.NZOL28912@bp>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:19:37 +0000 Message-ID: <35B7B6CA.16B2@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:18:50 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: "Robert J. Karp" , ThinkPad Users Group Subject: Re: [TP770/E/ED] Win98 Installation References: <000701bdb595$59f19100$3fb2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> <35B774A8.81AAC456@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu New file ver 1.1 on IBM web site 7/16/98. Supp file disket W98SFD1.EXE 19243 bytes. 71118086 00.00.08.00 Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 21:58:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA14780 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04668; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:52:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04509; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (phr@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04495; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id SAA18066 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807240152.SAA18066@netcom19.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: 760CD stiff keys Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Someone on Ebay Auction web is selling a replacement 760 keyboard; current bid price is around $5 (though the tendency on that board is for bids to stay low til the last minute, and then there is a bidding war during the auction's closing seconds). The URL for the keyboard is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22086320 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 23 22:19:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15078 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05478; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:15:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05260; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (root@ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05247; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (asc130.idsonline.com [207.176.21.130]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA23044; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:05:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdb69a$d43e1860$8215b0cf@asalzberg> From: "Arthur J. Salzberg" To: "BirgerPetterson" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Robert J. Karp" , "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: [TP770/E/ED] Win98 Installation Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:34:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Birger! It seems that the only change in version 1.01 of Win98 Supp file diskette W98SFD1.EXE is to remove the registry patch file APM2ACPI.REG from the diskette. The registry entry to fix enumerating the Intel 82371AB(PIIX4) for APM remains the same as before: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\PCI] "71118086"=hex:0C,00,00,00 Seems there is no reason to download or install this new file, since all it does is remove support for ACPI, and no one should be running ACPI yet in as much as so much of it remains unsupported. best regards "Who is wise? The one who learns from all." Ben Zoma -----Original Message----- From: BirgerPetterson To: Bill Morrow Cc: Robert J. Karp ; ThinkPad Users Group Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [TP770/E/ED] Win98 Installation >New file ver 1.1 on IBM web site 7/16/98. >Supp file disket W98SFD1.EXE 19243 bytes. 71118086 00.00.08.00 > >Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 00:35:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03817 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09216; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:32:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09068; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09056; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.77.216.218]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980724043209.DRWL10564@bp>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:32:09 +0000 Message-ID: <35B80E19.65E6@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:31:21 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Arthur J. Salzberg" CC: Bill Morrow , "Robert J. Karp" , ThinkPad Users Group Subject: Re: [TP770/E/ED] Win98 Installation References: <000f01bdb69a$d43e1860$8215b0cf@asalzberg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Arthur J. Salzberg wrote: > > Hello Birger! > > It seems that the only change in version 1.01 of Win98 Supp file diskette > W98SFD1.EXE is to remove the registry patch file APM2ACPI.REG from the > diskette. The registry entry to fix enumerating the Intel 82371AB(PIIX4) > for APM remains the same as before: > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\PCI] > "71118086"=hex:0C,00,00,00 > I agree to a point. BUT; After you install it you get 71118606 00.00.08.00. not 0C.00.00.00 Maybe I am missing something. I think Win98 clean install installed 71118606 0c.00.00.00 which is still in regedit. I do not know register. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 00:39:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03847 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09484; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:36:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09336; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09281; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p41-m6-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p41-m6-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [202.27.183.105]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id ea287642 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:36:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00e501bdb6bd$20bbe1a0$64b31bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: Microsoft wheel mouse Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:39:46 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Before I had my Logitech mouse, I had a Microsoft wheel mouse. Uninstalling the drivers for it does work. But you do have to reinstall the IBM trackpoint drivers afterwards to reinable them. I can't remember exatly, but I may have removed refrences to the mouse in the device manager as well. Regards, Andreas!! ;-) PS. I've only got a Logitech now because I had to leave the MS 1 behind and it was cheaper. The feel is virtually the same. >Dear Andreas, >Thanks for replying...sounds like a reasonable deal from microsoft. >The other thing is that is it possible to uninstall the intellipoint driver >and reinstall the original trackpoint driver if I decided not to use the >wheelmouse in the future? > >Mac From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 02:16:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA05286 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11838; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:10:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11638; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11619; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id HAA29307 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:09:21 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 07:09 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Re: Faking Floppy drive? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199807230322.UAA07561@stevie.loop.com> observed differences between my two thinkpads (both running Warp 4 FP5): 755CD - hot ultrabay swapping works perfectly, without any mods to config.sys; doesn't matter whether the machine is booted with the cdrom or diskette in place, they can be swapped ad nauseam, with attempts to access the non-present device always returning 'not ready' 770 - only knows about what was present at boot; attempts to access anything else gets 'device not recognised'. I am hoping that bios and/or device driver changes will eventually catch up .... Gerry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 02:32:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA05539 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12360; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:29:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12239; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12227; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (250.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.250]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA23747; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B82A64.50B35A85@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:32:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tuchledj@SLU.EDU CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Let it die References: <01IZQSAFK9X0B126U7@SLU.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I agree.. LET IT EXPIRE..!!! :-) tuchledj@SLU.EDU wrote: > ** Reply to note from Bill Morrow Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:34:44 -0400 > > Is there some reason this thread still lives? > > Let it die! > > Dennis J. Tuchler > Professor of Law > St. Louis University > 314-977-2793 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 03:18:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA06090 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15004; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:12:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14632; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns3.ipa.net (ns3.ipa.net [205.218.170.197]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14620; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-218.russ.ipa.net [207.2.194.218]) by ns3.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA05012 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:12:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <02a201bdb6d2$7f2bb480$dac202cf@default> From: "radmax" To: Subject: ThinkPad, Win95 and SparQ??? HELP!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:13:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_029F_01BDB6A8.95491E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_029F_01BDB6A8.95491E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just got a used TP 755CE, did a Win 3.1 backup using my SparQ (PP), formatted then loaded Win 95 (osr1) from floppy, reloaded all the = updated system files from IBM, and everything works great. EXCEPT I now can't get the SparQ to work with the TP. I have tried copying all the installation diskette's files over to HD, = ran Visit and Visit95, added the required commands from the readme file into = the Autoexec.bat, and it still says 'Drive not ready'. Win95 is saying the drive IS there (as dummy) in explorer, but the = driver is not present, working properly, etc... ThinkPad Parallel Port is working, as I printed the readme file thru the pass-thru on the SparQ. And the SparQ still works on my desktop. HELP!!!! Anybody have any ideas? I wanted to use the SparQ to run Office97, etc... like it was a CD-ROM. ------=_NextPart_000_029F_01BDB6A8.95491E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just got a used TP 755CE, did = a  Win 3.1=20 backup using my SparQ (PP),
formatted then loaded Win 95 (osr1) from = floppy,=20 reloaded all the updated
system files from IBM, and everything works=20 great.
EXCEPT I  now can't get the SparQ to work with the = TP.
I have=20 tried copying all the installation diskette's files over to HD, = ran
Visit and=20 Visit95, added the required commands from the readme file into=20 the
Autoexec.bat, and it still says 'Drive not ready'.
Win95 is = saying the=20 drive IS there (as dummy) in explorer, but the driver is
not present, = working=20 properly, etc...
ThinkPad Parallel Port is working, as I printed the = readme=20 file thru the
pass-thru on the SparQ.  And the SparQ still works = on my=20 desktop.

HELP!!!!    Anybody have any = ideas?   I=20 wanted to use the SparQ to run
Office97, etc... like it was a=20 CD-ROM.

------=_NextPart_000_029F_01BDB6A8.95491E80-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 07:04:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08380 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24911; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:58:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24612; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (uhbhic.uhb.fr [192.134.240.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24600; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nfwenaxa (cb1341.uhb.fr [192.134.240.30]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.2.9.1) with SMTP id MAA00228 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:58:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35B8694A.1357@uhb.fr> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:00:26 +0200 From: sylvestre meininger X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [770ED] - No sound when dialing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everybody. I need help with some minor modem trouble : There's no sound coming out of the tp when the modem opens the line and dials. Everything else, including ANY other kind of sound, works just fine. I find this annoying since this sound DID work when I got the machine about 1 month ago. I must have done something wrong, but what... HelpWare didn't do much. They told me to change 2 peripheral properties in Configuration Panel / Multimedia / Advanced / Audio Peripherals (the first one from the top) : - Audio for WAV thinkpad modem - Audio for thinkpad phone line driver [Sorry everyone, but all this is *roughly* translated from Win95's French version] I was told to check the 2 last lines : - "Do not use audio functionalities on this peripheral" - "Do not ["pass anything through"] this peripheral" Doing this didn't change a thing... Does anyone have any idea about this ? Thanks ! I forgot something else. After about 1h30, DVD movies sometimes get off-synch. Did someone experience this ? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 14:56:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15245 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14049; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:48:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13758; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13745; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MeMePickMe@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CMJRa04161 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9af7ca94.35b8d6b7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:47:18 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Let it die Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I believe we've now reached the coveted 10:1 protest:noise ratio. _________________________________________________________________ > Subj: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Let it die > Date: 98-07-24 02:36:12 EDT > From: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) > To: tuchledj@SLU.EDU > CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > I agree.. > LET IT EXPIRE..!!! :-) > > tuchledj@SLU.EDU wrote: > > > ** Reply to note from Bill Morrow Thu, 23 Jul 1998 > 15:34:44 -0400 > > > > Is there some reason this thread still lives? > > > > Let it die! > > > > Dennis J. Tuchler > > Professor of Law > > St. Louis University > > 314-977-2793 > > > -- > Happy Trails... :-) > ** Bill Morrow ** > WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > Win95B & Win98 > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 15:26:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15695 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15095; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:22:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14936; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14924; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA12724 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BDB716.DF4C6050@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:22:29 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB716.DF4C6050@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Let it die Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:22:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi all, am I correct in assuming that my Thinkpad will cease to function unless I, too, respond to this thread? :] axel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Two Summers ago I was working for a company setting up a chain of Internet cafes. For some reason they decided to install speech recognition software on all of the machines. In the first cafe they set up there were about 20 machines. After it had been running for several weeks I spent the day in one this store seeing how my EPOS software was being used in practice. At the end of the day I was quite surprised when one of the assistant managers shouted at the top of his voice "SHUT DOWN!" and each of the machines switched themselves off! It's cool to wreck a nice beach. - Sanity (ianc@dai.ed.ac.uk) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I just can't wait until all those Window machines have speech recognition. Then one morning on my commuter train I can get up and yell: "FORMAT C:"! - Richie Bielak (richieb@netlabs.net) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Friday, July 24, 1998 2:47 PM, MeMePickMe@aol.com wrote: %I believe we've now reached the coveted 10:1 protest:noise ratio. % %_________________________________________________________________ % % %> Subj: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Let it die %> Date: 98-07-24 02:36:12 EDT %> From: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) %> To: tuchledj@SLU.EDU %> CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu %> %> I agree.. %> LET IT EXPIRE..!!! :-) %> %> tuchledj@SLU.EDU wrote: %> %> > ** Reply to note from Bill Morrow Thu, 23 Jul 1998 %> 15:34:44 -0400 %> > %> > Is there some reason this thread still lives? %> > %> > Let it die! %> > %> > Dennis J. Tuchler %> > Professor of Law %> > St. Louis University %> > 314-977-2793 %> %> %> -- %> Happy Trails... :-) %> ** Bill Morrow ** %> WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com %> DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe %> bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com %> 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad %> Win95B & Win98 %> %> %> % ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 17:18:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17801 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19507; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:15:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19356; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19342; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id WAA004.30; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:15:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199807242115.WAA004.30@bradnet> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 22:15:30 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: OS/2 for PowerPC To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu After getting a ThinkPad 820 last week, I thought it would be nice to have the programs I'm used to, running on it. AIX is nice enough, and I'm sure I'll get to like it much more over time, but I getting an PowerPC version of OS/2 would be great. Any suggestions where I can find a copy? -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 17:32:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18018 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20224; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:29:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20006; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19993; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p17.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.151]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21222 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807242130.OAA21222@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 14:28:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad 700C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know anything about this machine? I won yet another ThinkPad on eBay (it'll be ThinkPad #4) (apparently it works, but the display doesn't come on, and is probably a cable issue from what it sounds like). Are they reasonably fast, or should I expect the crappy performance of a 486SLC? What about using it with OS/2? Thanks for any help, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 18:12:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18601 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21581; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:09:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21433; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21419; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA10612; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:07:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: OS/2 for PowerPC In-Reply-To: <199807242115.WAA004.30@bradnet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Friday, 24th July 1998, John Poltorak wrote: > ...getting a PowerPC version of OS/2 would be great. > > Any suggestions where I can find a copy? Does IBM make a non-Intel version of OS/2? I'd thought that it was only available for Intel and clones. -- Christian CAREY From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 19:02:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19253 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23814; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:59:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23565; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23548; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com ([206.96.182.74]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13725 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:59:05 -0500 Message-ID: <35B91299.3E4514E5@ro.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:02:49 -0500 From: Jeff Jackowski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: OS/2 for PowerPC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > ...getting a PowerPC version of OS/2 would be great. > > > > Any suggestions where I can find a copy? > > Does IBM make a non-Intel version of OS/2? I'd thought that it was only > available for Intel and clones. OS/2 is only generally avalible for Intel systems. IBM did work on a PowerPC port, but as I understand it, they scuttled the port before it was finished. I've heard it never even got networking support. Finding a copy will likely prove difficult, and it may very well not meet expectations. :-( Maybe a PowerPC port of Linux would prove more intresting? > Christian CAREY Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 23:26:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22777 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00202; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:23:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29920; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29907; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p42.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.176]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA08002; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807250323.UAA08002@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Christian Carey" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 20:22:29 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 for PowerPC Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:07:48 -0400 (EDT), Christian Carey wrote: >On Friday, 24th July 1998, John Poltorak wrote: > >> ...getting a PowerPC version of OS/2 would be great. >> >> Any suggestions where I can find a copy? > >Does IBM make a non-Intel version of OS/2? I'd thought that it was only >available for Intel and clones. They started on it, but killed it. Another problem with greed among Microsoft and their allies @ IBM. :( -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 23:28:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22790 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00478; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:25:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00118; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29996; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p42.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.176]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA08213; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807250325.UAA08213@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "CaptJHEM@waterw.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 20:23:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:58:13 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >On 24 Jul 98 at 14:28, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Does anyone know anything about this machine? I won yet another ThinkPad on > >What do you want to know Paul? > Well, performance with different OSes (including Slackware Linux, since I think it's the only distro. that supports the MCA bus). >80486SLC/25 processor, coprocessor slot for 387SL, 4MB standard, 16 max., 120MB >hard drive, 10.4 inch Active Matrix TFT display (256 colors @ 640X480 max.). > >Released Oct. 1992, withdrawn Oct. 1993. List price $4,350.00. > Wow, expensive. >The 700 shares compatability ONLY with the 720 series. > Because they're both PS/2. What about ports? No PCMCIA, right? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 24 23:55:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23104 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00680; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:26:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00255; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00212; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p42.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.176]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA08349; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807250326.UAA08349@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jeff Jackowski" , "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 20:25:39 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 for PowerPC Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:02:49 -0500, Jeff Jackowski wrote: >> > ...getting a PowerPC version of OS/2 would be great. >> > >> > Any suggestions where I can find a copy? >> >> Does IBM make a non-Intel version of OS/2? I'd thought that it was only >> available for Intel and clones. > >OS/2 is only generally avalible for Intel systems. IBM did work on a >PowerPC port, but as I understand it, they scuttled the port before it >was finished. I've heard it never even got networking support. Finding a >copy will likely prove difficult, and it may very well not meet >expectations. :-( > >Maybe a PowerPC port of Linux would prove more intresting? I don't know if it will work on a Power ThinkPad. I've been loosely following up on it, because I was thinking of m68k Linux for my Mac IIsi (that I finally got a monitor for), or for a future PPC machine. :) But as for commercial OSes, there are only NT and AIX, and I'd take AIX out of those choices any day (even though I've never used it, but Solaris was enough for me). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 00:58:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24057 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03828; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:57:10 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03753; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id AAA01858; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21239; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial14.waterw.com (dial14.waterw.com [209.107.20.29]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15120; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807242203.SAA15120@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: "Paul Khoury" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:58:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199807242130.OAA21222@stevie.loop.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 24 Jul 98 at 14:28, Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anyone know anything about this machine? I won yet another ThinkPad on What do you want to know Paul? 80486SLC/25 processor, coprocessor slot for 387SL, 4MB standard, 16 max., 120MB hard drive, 10.4 inch Active Matrix TFT display (256 colors @ 640X480 max.). Released Oct. 1992, withdrawn Oct. 1993. List price $4,350.00. The 700 shares compatability ONLY with the 720 series. Regards, James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 01:05:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA24161 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04172; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:04:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04096; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04084; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 158.chicago-10.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.114.158]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980725050410.GMVI5064@158.chicago-10.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 05:04:10 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 05:04:43 GMT Message-ID: <35bb66a0.4395999@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199807250325.UAA08213@stevie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199807250325.UAA08213@stevie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Jul 98 20:23:56 -0800, "Paul Khoury" wrote: >Because they're both PS/2. What about ports? No PCMCIA, right? The previous poster is almost certainly quoting the Thinkpad-Withdrawn models file available from ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/twbook.pdf. You'll need Acrobat's Reader. It's quite informative, though it was a bit of a shock to see my relatively new IBM 560 in there. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 03:07:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA25768 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06421; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:04:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06160; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06147; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (227.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.227]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA16487; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B983F5.133605A8@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:06:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C References: <199807242130.OAA21222@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. the 700C is S L O W . . . . ! very slow.. under DOS it might be OK.. it is PCI and the HDD is ESDI.. most likely a 120meg, if you are lucky, a 170meg.. no PCMCIA ports on the 700.. that was the major upgrade with the 720.. there was a cpu upgrade for the 700 which made it even slower.. :-) well, ok, it was supposed to INCREASE the speed, but i think the increase was imaginary.. mostly..!!?? it is a big box and heavy.. the batteries are rare.. i would suggest that unless you want it for your museum, that you rethink the term "won".. :-) Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anyone know anything about this machine? I won yet another ThinkPad > on eBay (it'll be ThinkPad #4) (apparently it works, but the display doesn't come on, and > is probably a cable issue from what it sounds like). Are they reasonably fast, > or should I expect the crappy performance of a 486SLC? What about using > it with OS/2? > > Thanks for any help, > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 > ICQ#14582895 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 03:14:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA25868 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07066; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:11:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06698; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06686; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (227.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.227]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA17186; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B985AD.D6431A04@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:13:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Axel Hartmann CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Let it die References: <01BDB716.DF4C6050@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Axel.. NO, your thinkpad will NOT cease to function if you do NOT respond to this threat.. uhh.. thread..!! it WILL however, start to speak pig latin.. however, i MUST take this opportunity to suggest that we ALL allow this matter to die.. quietly.. with NO FURTHER comment.. none whatsoever..!! OK..? :-)) Axel Hartmann wrote: > hi all, > > am I correct in assuming that my Thinkpad will cease to function > unless I, too, respond to this thread? > > :] > > axel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Two Summers ago I was working for a company setting up a chain of Internet > cafes. For some reason they decided to install speech recognition software > on all of the machines. In the first cafe they set up there were about 20 > machines. After it had been running for several weeks I spent the day in one > this store seeing how my EPOS software was being used in practice. At the > end of the day I was quite surprised when one of the assistant managers > shouted at the top of his voice "SHUT DOWN!" and each of the machines > switched themselves off! > It's cool to wreck a nice beach. - Sanity (ianc@dai.ed.ac.uk) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I just can't wait until all those Window machines have speech recognition. > Then one morning on my commuter train I can get up and yell: "FORMAT C:"! > - Richie Bielak (richieb@netlabs.net) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Friday, July 24, 1998 2:47 PM, MeMePickMe@aol.com wrote: > %I believe we've now reached the coveted 10:1 protest:noise ratio. > % > %_________________________________________________________________ > % > % > %> Subj: Re: FW: Off Topic Humor (sort of) Let it die > %> Date: 98-07-24 02:36:12 EDT > %> From: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) > %> To: tuchledj@SLU.EDU > %> CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > %> > %> I agree.. > %> LET IT EXPIRE..!!! :-) > %> > %> tuchledj@SLU.EDU wrote: > %> > %> > ** Reply to note from Bill Morrow Thu, 23 Jul 1998 > %> 15:34:44 -0400 > %> > > %> > Is there some reason this thread still lives? > %> > > %> > Let it die! > %> > > %> > Dennis J. Tuchler > %> > Professor of Law > %> > St. Louis University > %> > 314-977-2793 > %> > %> > %> -- > %> Happy Trails... :-) > %> ** Bill Morrow ** > %> WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > %> DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe > %> bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > %> 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > %> Win95B & Win98 > %> > %> > %> > % > > ............................................................................ > . Axel Hartmann . > . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . > . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . > ............................................................................ > . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . > . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . > . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . > . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . > ............................................................................ -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 03:17:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA25896 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07390; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:15:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07163; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07151; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (227.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.227]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA17522; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B9868C.C513E7C3@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:17:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Carey CC: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: OS/2 for PowerPC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There was a lot of work done on making OS/2 for the power PC.. the 850 was the better model to have.. it had a video camera and a few other options the 820 did not have.. there was another OS that would run on it, but i forgot which it was.. post this question on my thinkpads.com open forum.. there is a fellow there who MAY just have the answers.. (he has an 850, does not use it, just hangs onto it for its antique value) Christian Carey wrote: > On Friday, 24th July 1998, John Poltorak wrote: > > > ...getting a PowerPC version of OS/2 would be great. > > > > Any suggestions where I can find a copy? > > Does IBM make a non-Intel version of OS/2? I'd thought that it was only > available for Intel and clones. > -- > Christian CAREY -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 09:35:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29333 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18316; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:34:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18210; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18198; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1he.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.46]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02424 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:34:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: ThinkPad 700C Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdb7d0$d098d740$44fdfea9@770> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199807242130.OAA21222@stevie.loop.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 700C. My first ThinkPad. Still works OK, but it only runs Windows 3.1. Might be able to handle OS/2, but hard drive is very small (120mb). Win'95 was never really an option because of the hard drive size and the fact that IBM never wrote any drivers for the 700C and Win'95. I have the hard drive compressed with a STACKER (remember this program?). It's reasonably fast with Win 3.1. Mine has an internal modem (there are no PC card slots) that I bought separately. I used it with WinFax and LOTUS AmiPro to do correspondence and faxes. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com] Sent: Friday, July 24, 1998 6:29 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: ThinkPad 700C Does anyone know anything about this machine? I won yet another ThinkPad on eBay (it'll be ThinkPad #4) (apparently it works, but the display doesn't come on, and is probably a cable issue from what it sounds like). Are they reasonably fast, or should I expect the crappy performance of a 486SLC? What about using it with OS/2? Thanks for any help, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 13:12:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02284 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22001; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:08:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21789; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.area54.net (mercury.area54.net [205.177.191.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21777; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA25523 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:08:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:08:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: HPA or TFT?? which is better.. In-Reply-To: <000001bdb7d0$d098d740$44fdfea9@770> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi.. Assuming all else is equal, which technology offers the sharper image?? How about the faster image?? I am looking at TP385 2635-LEU and a 2635-8EU and it looks like the only diff between them is the display.. Any comments from anyone on them would be appreciated. Thanks... Michael Cummings From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 15:12:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03769 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24077; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:09:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23893; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23881; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA17035; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:15:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Michael cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HPA or TFT?? which is better.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Michael wrote: > Assuming all else is equal, which technology offers the sharper image?? > How about the faster image?? TFT is still the best. The new HCA[High Contrast Addressing]/HPA [High Performance Addressing] etc type screens are somewhere between dual scan and active matrix. It's the cheap screens getting better and better, but TFT is still the best. You still can't beat one transistor driving each color in a pixel. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 15:20:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03832 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24642; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:17:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24266; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24243; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial11.waterw.com (dial11.waterw.com [209.107.20.26]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23591; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807251917.PAA23591@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal In-reply-to: <35bb66a0.4395999@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199807250325.UAA08213@stevie.loop.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 25 Jul 98 at 5:04, Emanuel Brown wrote: > The previous poster is almost certainly quoting the > Thinkpad-Withdrawn models file available from > ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/twbook.pdf. No _almost_ about it Emanuel, although I have downloaded the file and access it locally. Saves a lot of time when we get offers of donation and questions as to original values. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 15:20:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03837 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24639; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:18:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24278; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24251; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial11.waterw.com (dial11.waterw.com [209.107.20.26]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23594; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807251917.PAA23594@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: "Paul Khoury" Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199807250325.UAA08213@stevie.loop.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 24 Jul 98 at 20:23, Paul Khoury wrote: > Well, performance with different OSes (including Slackware Linux, since I > think it's the only distro. that supports the MCA bus). Sorry Paul, I only run DOS or Windoze 3.1 or 95 on my four 720s, and 95 only on the two that have the 160MB hard drives. > Because they're both PS/2. What about ports? No PCMCIA, right? Or Micro Channel as Big Blue liked to call it. No ports until the 720. Regards, James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 25 19:52:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07415 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29366; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:50:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29236; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29224; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (244.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.244]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA10373; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35BA6FC5.2F34297E@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:52:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HPA or TFT?? which is better.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu TFT..!! Michael wrote: > Hi.. > > Assuming all else is equal, which technology offers the sharper image?? > How about the faster image?? > > I am looking at TP385 2635-LEU and a 2635-8EU and it looks like the only > diff between them is the display.. > > Any comments from anyone on them would be appreciated. > > Thanks... > > Michael Cummings -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 26 03:12:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA12768 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07407; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:09:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07176; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07164; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p36.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.170]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA25735; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807260708.AAA25735@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Christian Carey" Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 00:07:06 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 for PowerPC Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >there was another OS that would run on it, but i forgot which it was.. It'd have to be NT or AIX. I don't think there were any others AFAIK. >post this question on my thinkpads.com open forum.. >there is a fellow there who MAY just have the answers.. >(he has an 850, does not use it, just hangs onto it for its antique value) > Antique? Does he want to sell/trade it? :) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 26 04:46:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA13617 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 04:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10329; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 04:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Jul 1998 04:45:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10247; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 04:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp02.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10235; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 04:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-076.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-076.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.76]) by smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id RAA14974; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:44:50 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" , "J. Carlos M. Sibal" Subject: [535x] BIOS upgrades for Win98 for Japanese-market ThinkPads Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:22:55 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan Reply-To: "Stephen A. Carter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 51 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A couple weeks ago there was some discussion about downloadable Windows 98 drivers for Japanese-market ThinkPads, specifically the 535E. Windows 98 officially went on sale here in Japan yesterday, rah rah, and IBM Japan has just released some BIOS updates and such for these ThinkPads. The BIOS update for the 535/535E (only!) is at . Naturally, the readme file for this BIOS upgrade (i4jt06.txt) is in Japanese. I'm afraid I don't have the time or energy to translate the whole thing, but basically it says to download the self-extracting upgrade file (i4jt060.exe) and run it from a DOS prompt to generate an executable file, a readme file, and a data file. Then run the extracted executable to write the upgrade utility to a formatted 2HD 1.44-MB floppy: X:\DOWNLOAD>I4JT06.EXE A: [Enter] After that, just follow the usual drill for BIOS upgrades: - Make sure your ThinkPad is running on AC power. - Power down and boot from the BIOS-upgrade floppy you've created. Since my 535E is at the office today (and is running only OS/2 4.0J besides), I'm afraid that from this point on you're on your own, unless you're willing to wing it or can find a helper who reads Japanese. Just FYI, there's a new list of Win98-related downloads for ThinkPads sold in Japan at . The list itself is mostly in English (though all the readmes and such are in Japanese, of course). I notice that in addition to the BIOS upgrade for the 535/535E, there seem to be new Win98 drivers for the TrackPoint and the MWave. Also, if you can read Japanese (or have access to someone who can), there's some step-by-step info about upgrading Japanese ThinkPads to Win98 at . I realize that some of this information is completely useless if you don't know Japanese, but I know that some owners of Japanese ThinkPads on the list want to upgrade their machines to Win98 as soon as possible, so I've gone ahead and posted it. I'm posting this information in good faith, so please don't hold me responsible for any problems you may have. Ashikarazu. HTHAL. Good luck. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 26 05:55:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14146 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 05:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09053; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:55:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08795; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08761; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28174 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:55:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 26 Jul 98 09:55:03 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 26 Jul 98 09:54:41 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.132) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40) with ESMTP; 26 Jul 98 09:54:34 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de (voyager.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.10]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01468 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:02:11 +0200 Message-Id: <199807251802.UAA01468@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:02:09 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PIIXIDE.ADD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! On what circumstances should I install PIIIXIDE.ADD? What does that driver do? (I think it's HDD, but see no readme's etc.) I found it recently on my Utility Disk while installing OS/2 on a TP385ED. -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 26 05:56:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14152 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 05:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09043; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:55:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08807; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08762; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25833 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:55:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 26 Jul 98 09:55:03 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 26 Jul 98 09:54:51 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.132) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40) with ESMTP; 26 Jul 98 09:54:46 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de (voyager.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.10]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01446 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:10:21 +0200 Message-Id: <199807251510.RAA01446@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:10:22 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Faking Floppy drive? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Jul 98 07:09 BST-1, Gerry Prosser wrote: Hello! >755CD - hot ultrabay swapping works perfectly, without any mods to >config.sys; doesn't matter whether the machine is booted with the cdrom >or diskette in place, they can be swapped ad nauseam, with attempts to >access the non-present device always returning 'not ready' > >770 - only knows about what was present at boot; attempts to access >anything else gets 'device not recognised'. Found exactly that behaviour on my 760XD. If the Floppy is not present at boot time (externally or internally) I can do what I want, even /FORCE the IBM1FLPY.ADD to have 2 ports, it will not recognize the floppy when it is attached. I read through all mails to this list concerning that (cause actually I had some use for that) also read the mans for /FORCE, added the prameters eg. Paul described here. It simply doesn't work. Any hints why? -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 26 05:56:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14162 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 05:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09049; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:55:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08821; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08776; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29763 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:55:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 26 Jul 98 09:55:06 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 26 Jul 98 09:55:01 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.132) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40) with ESMTP; 26 Jul 98 09:54:53 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de (voyager.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.10]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01448 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:17:59 +0200 Message-Id: <199807251517.RAA01448@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:17:59 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 for PowerPC Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:02:49 -0500, Jeff Jackowski wrote: Hello! >> > ...getting a PowerPC version of OS/2 would be great. >> > >> > Any suggestions where I can find a copy? >> >> Does IBM make a non-Intel version of OS/2? I'd thought that it was only >> available for Intel and clones. > >OS/2 is only generally avalible for Intel systems. IBM did work on a >PowerPC port, but as I understand it, they scuttled the port before it >was finished. That's not correct. There is a final available of OS/2 for PowerPC. It is a Warp 3.0. It is only "not actively sold". IBM has a special term for that. But one may get it, if looking long enogh and phoning with IBM long enough. (Will say: It has a part-number, which probably is secret. ;-) >I've heard it never even got networking support. That's true. It is a Warp 3, not a 3.0 Connect. It dosn't know anything other then Dial-Up Internet. And it is a frozen project, that is "currently" IBM is not spending development ressources on that project. If they'll ever work on it again, I'd say no. But there's no clear statement from Big blue. (As often concerning OS/2.) >Finding a >copy will likely prove difficult, and it may very well not meet >expectations. :-( That I think it's true. Don't ask me for one, I've non either (I've no PPC). But I watched about the PPC-Port and it's development, and I know what IBM said then about it. -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 26 11:58:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17387 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20521; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:57:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20419; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [194.126.80.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20405; 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Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00125; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:59:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29604; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osh5.datasync.com (root@osh5.datasync.com [205.216.82.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29573; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brianb (osp53.datasync.com [208.132.74.87]) by osh5.datasync.com (8.8.8/Datasync) with SMTP id SAA31675 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:59:15 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:02:39 -0500 Message-ID: <01BDB8C7.F5E57420.Brianb@datasync.com> From: Brian Bream Reply-To: "Brianb@datasync.com" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Wanna Swap Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:59:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 15 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hey out there... It sure has been quiet out here this weekend. I know that many of you out there have numerous ThinkPad's laying around in your closet. Wanna trade and or sell anything ? All I have to offer in trade right now is a Western Digital Caviar 31600 Hard drive. 1.6 gig and (2) 1x32-70ns, 72 - pin memory modules ( 4 meg each). I'm looking for anything that would go with a 701C. I've conquered the floppy drive issue but the system only has 8 Meg of ram. I see that they are advertised for 16 Meg around 50.00. I also don't have a Multiport II. Any spares out there ? Spare 701 owners manuals?, Well just about anything that might help. You guys certainly know more about that then me. Brian Brianb@datasync.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 03:16:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27296 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18819; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:10:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18361; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18349; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA25231; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807270711.AAA25231@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dr Simon Berrisford" , "Dr Simon Berrisford" , "Thinkpad list" Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 00:09:38 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:48:08 +0100, Dr Simon Berrisford wrote: >unsubscribe > > > Try sending mail to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Leave subject blank In body, enter "unsubscribe email@host.com" without quotes. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 03:18:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27315 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19032; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:15:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18757; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18719; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA25718; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807270716.AAA25718@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Brianb@datasync.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 00:14:23 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Wanna Swap Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:59:04 -0500, Brian Bream wrote: >Hey out there... It sure has been quiet out here this weekend. > >I know that many of you out there have numerous ThinkPad's laying around in >your closet. Wanna trade and or sell anything ? >All I have to offer in trade right now is a Western Digital Caviar 31600 >Hard drive. 1.6 gig and (2) 1x32-70ns, 72 - pin memory modules ( 4 meg >each). I'm looking for anything that would go with a 701C. I've >conquered the floppy drive issue but the system only has 8 Meg of ram. I >see that they are advertised for 16 Meg around 50.00. I also don't have a >Multiport II. Any spares out there ? Spare 701 owners manuals?, Well just >about anything that might help. You guys certainly know more about that >then me. For extra 701 stuff, eBay (www.ebay.com) is a good place to look, by doing a search under "thinkpad". -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 06:10:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA29066 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28050; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:06:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27873; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27861; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA00619; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:06:15 -1000 Message-ID: <002f01bdb946$5c326de0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: [TPall] Memory again - some reflections, discoveries (very long - sorry!) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:07:26 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There were recently a couple of threads here about TP memory upgrades; wh= ile I started neither, I got involved in both, and decided in the course of the discussion to upgrade one of my own laptops (a 560) = >from 24 to 72 megs. I'd like to share some of my recent experiences/discoveries: (1) Bill Morrow argued that only top-quality branded memory should be use= d in modern thinkpads; several others(including myself) said that memory was a straightforward commodity, and any non-defective, = non-substandard chip should be OK. I'm now starting to think that the truth is somewhere in between. Reason: neither the first = chip I got from the Chip Merchant (NEC chips on a generic module) nor the second (a Hitachi module) worked! The latter especially = (comparing the data on Hitachi's web site and the requirements on IBM's web site) was in theory fully compatible, and I'm s= ure the Hitachi product is of high quality, and would likely work on other laptops with similar specs (see below, BTW). But, t= his says something for the idea of a chip being specifically labeled (by the manufacturer) as for the ThinkPad, rather th= an just satisfying the same tech specs. (2) This is the 1st problem I've ever had with Chip Merchant chips, they = made the exchange with a smile, they offered me either another Hitachi or a Hyundai module or a full refund after the second pro= blem; I took the refund, and will likely do business with them again. BTW, you *can* ask them which kinds of modules they have ava= ilable for your machine. Has they had any Samsung modules in stock I likely would have taken it (my current 16mb module is Samsung). (3) The chip failures were very different, and interesting: the 1st was s= imply not recognized by the machine (which booted at 8 megs); the 2nd prevented the machine from booting at all! It even made t= he 'AC power' light go out on the machine. I've never seen a failure like this, and I'm impressed that the TP was savvy enough to se= nse the incompatibility at this early stage. (4) While shopping again for a replacement, I was startled to see many ch= ips that were more expensive that the 'true blue' Options by IBM chip (which lists at about $225 and is available for as little as = $150); even if I believed that manufacturer X's module was better than the IBM (which might well be X's chip relabeled), I couldn't = imagine not buying the IBM part over the more expensive competitor. (5) Visiontek claims to be the supplier to Kingston on this chip; given t= hat the latter is more expensive than the former everywhere I looked, I don't see the latter's attraction. (6) Anyone in the mainland US willing to risk non-branded memory and look= ing for a real deal, Insight has a 32 meg chip for the 560 (380, etc) for only $39; search under "Commodity memory"! (7) While we all know that the same modules should work in many different= Thinkpads, it is fascinating to see what other notebooks use the exact same chip. I happened to note that onsale.com was having a= n auction for Transcend's version, and in the product description there Transcend says it will work in the following machines: Acer Acer Extensa 366D, 367D, 367T, T367D, T367T Acer Extensa 390C/CX, 391C/T, 392C/T, 393C/T, 394T, 395T Acer TravelMate 7100, 7100TE AST Ascentia A40, A41, A42, A43, A51, A60 Plus, A70 Plus Ascentia "M" AND A SERIES 5130S, M 5130T, M 5150T, M 5160T, M 5200T, M 52= 00X, M 5230X Sharp PC-9330T, 9340T PC-9820T PC-M100, M200 DELL Latitude CP Hewlett Packard OmniBook 2100 Model 2103, 2104, 2105, 2106; 3100 Model 31= 01, 3102 OmniBook 3000CTX Toshiba Port=E9g=E9 650CT, 660CDT Satellite 300CDT, 305CDS, 315CDS, 315CDT, 325CDS Satellite 320CDS, 320CDT Satellite Pro 490CDT, 490CDT-NT, 490XCDT, 490XCDT-NT Satellite 470CDT; Tecra 520CDT, 530CDT, 540CDT, 550CDT TECRA 750CDM, 750CDT, 750DVD TECRA 780CDM, 780CDM-NT, 780DVD NEC Versa 6200MX, 6200NT, 6220, 6230 Zenith Z-Note 6200, 6300 IBM ThinkPad 380X, 380XD, 385XD; ThinkPad 560X (2640-70x) ThinkPad 560E (2640-3xU, 4xU) ThinkPad 560X (2640-70U) ThinkPad 760XD, 760XD, 760XL, 765D, 765L Hitachi VisionBook Elite 8560-001 VisionBook Plus 4140-001, 4150x-001, 4350X, 4360x-001 VisionBook Plus 5260, 5280 VisionBook Pro 7340-001, 7360-001, 7370, 7560-001, 7580 VisionBook Pro 7590 Olivetti Olivetti Echos Pro 166XM, 166SM, 150X, 150T, 150S, 133S, 133D, 1= 33E Olivetti Echos 133D, 133DM, 133E, 133EM, 150D, 150DM, 150SM Wow! So much for 'proprietary'! Sorry again for the length; I hope some of this was useful or entertainin= g. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 09:25:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03649 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03045; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:14:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02307; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exit1.i-55.com (exit1.i-55.com [204.27.97.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02293; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from larry---anthony (ppp28-man.i-55.com [208.231.97.46]) by exit1.i-55.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA08538; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:11:46 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980727081448.007aa5c0@i-55.com> X-Sender: suspend@i-55.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:14:48 -0500 To: Bill Morrow From: Anthony Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35B983F5.133605A8@icanect.net> References: <199807242130.OAA21222@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How does one "win" this sort of stuff? At 03:06 AM 7/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >Paul.. >the 700C is S L O W . . . . ! >very slow.. >under DOS it might be OK.. >it is PCI and the HDD is ESDI.. >most likely a 120meg, if you are lucky, a 170meg.. >no PCMCIA ports on the 700.. that was the major upgrade with the 720.. >there was a cpu upgrade for the 700 which made it even slower.. :-) >well, ok, it was supposed to INCREASE the speed, but i think the increase was imaginary.. >mostly..!!?? > >it is a big box and heavy.. >the batteries are rare.. >i would suggest that unless you want it for your museum, that you rethink the term "won".. >:-) > > >Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Does anyone know anything about this machine? I won yet another ThinkPad >> on eBay (it'll be ThinkPad #4) (apparently it works, but the display doesn't come on, and >> is probably a cable issue from what it sounds like). Are they reasonably fast, >> or should I expect the crappy performance of a 486SLC? What about using >> it with OS/2? >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> -- >> Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 >> http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html >> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 >> ICQ#14582895 > > > >-- >Happy Trails... :-) >** Bill Morrow ** >WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com >DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe >bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com >770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad >Win95B & Win98 > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 09:26:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03663 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03072; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:19:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02629; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exit1.i-55.com (exit1.i-55.com [204.27.97.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02570; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from larry---anthony (ppp28-man.i-55.com [208.231.97.46]) by exit1.i-55.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09077 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:17:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980727082002.007af8d0@i-55.com> X-Sender: suspend@i-55.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:20:02 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Anthony Subject: 365xd CD-ROM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When I insert a cd in into the bay in my Thinkpad it spins insanely fast and will not eject unless I push a pin into the force eject hole. The disk becomes unreadable and makes the whole case shake a little. Does anyone know what could be causing this? I am running RedHat Linux 5. Thanx -anthony From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 09:32:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA04004 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03704; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:26:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03097; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (smtp2.teleport.com [192.108.254.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03069; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25614; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA05572; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: David Ross cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [TPall] Memory again - some reflections, discoveries (very long - sorry!) In-Reply-To: <002f01bdb946$5c326de0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, David Ross wrote: > (6) Anyone in the mainland US willing to risk non-branded memory and > looking for a real deal, Insight has a 32 meg chip for the 560 > (380, etc) for only $39; search under "Commodity memory"! Any chance that will work on a 360? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 10:08:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA05902 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06219; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:01:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05516; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05464; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA31854 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:01:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 27 Jul 98 16:01:06 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 27 Jul 98 16:00:41 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.163) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40) with ESMTP; 27 Jul 98 16:00:31 +0200 Received: from localhost (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02175 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:22:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199807271022.MAA02175@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:22:43 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PCMCIA Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! Some time ago I described a little problem with PCMCIA on a 385ED. I've still trouble and explored more deeply. Maybe someone has a hint. I have: - IBM ThinkPad 385ED (US-model) - OS/2 Warp 4.0 - Xircom CreditCard Ethernet 10/100 Combo - 3COM Etherlink III - 2 PCMCIA-Slots which don't like me ;-) Installation of OS/2 is straight forward, networksupport (installed it using "no adaptor", bound TCP/IP and NetBIOS on that one using MPTS), features, video & sound, IRDA everything's ok, no problems. Installed PCMCIA-Support. Looks nice, too. First I tried the 3COM. This one uses sockets, and my ThinkPad simply don't like it. Driver did not load, network not available. I wondered, cause the 3COM is normally Plug&Work. (Oh, should say: Ressources are checked, they're free, I also tried diffrent once. The 3COM normally determines them automatically). Ok, so I _removed_ socket-drivers (IBM2S* is rem'ed out in CONFIG.SYS). I pluged in the Xircom. This one uses direct enabler, so doesn't need Sockets. Installed the driver using MPTS. Ok, reboot, driver loaded, network is ok. Fine you may think, why does he write then here? Ok, installed the rest of my software. Reboot. ThinkPad hangs at the loading of Xircom-Driver. Hangs mean: it hangs completely. Perfectly dead. CTRL-ALT-DEL don't work, even ProcessCommander can't reboot the machine. I can only switch it of. This happens sometimes, mostly I get an error 173/163 afterwards, but not allways. (Clock is set correct, I've just to klick OK twice ;-) Paul mentioned I should play with ressources. Did that. Tried IRQ: 9, 10, 11, 15, IO-Ports: 120, 240, 280, 300, 320. Simply the same result. Sometimes the notebook boots up. Sometimes not. If not, I've hangs like the one above, or rarely TRAP D of OS/2. Nicest Feature: I can't provoke that behaviour, nor the error. I tried newer Xircom driver (1.61 is currently installed): 1.65. Even worse. Best of all: It seems to help in most cases (not allways though) to unplug all cables from the Xircom. So the Xircom is not connected to the LAN on boot up. I should probably mention, that the cards are ok. I can use them without any problem on my 760XD. Both. For the Xircom I've to add /IG0=2 to the IBM2S* to disable Sockets on port 2. Everyone ever saw that? Any hint's what this could be? If no addtionally ideas, I'll have a longer talk with BigBlue, I think. -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 10:08:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA05907 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06211; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:01:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05477; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05457; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26551 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:00:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 27 Jul 98 16:01:01 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 27 Jul 98 16:00:41 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.163) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40) with ESMTP; 27 Jul 98 16:00:32 +0200 Received: from localhost (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02175 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:22:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199807271022.MAA02175@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:22:43 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PCMCIA Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <<< No Message Collected >>> From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 10:43:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07327 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08682; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:35:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08133; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08099; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id JAA10897 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:34:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807271434.JAA10897@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: insurance anyone? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:34:24 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hiya Everyone, Does anyone carry any sort of special insurance for their laptop? I got mine for "non-business" purposes, i.e, to work on my disseration but I'm worried about my $3K laptop now that I've entered this new long term relationship with my credit card company. I often ride my bike to campus and while I've not wiped out in a long time, I wouldn't want to risk losing my 560x in a crash, or drop it. I have home insurance with State Farm which covers theft, that's it. The offer a special rider for $1.25/$100 value which presumably covers _all_ risks (incl dropping it etc). Anyone have any experience with this sort of things? Thanks, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 10:43:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07339 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08705; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:36:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08193; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08161; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id JAA11041 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:35:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807271435.JAA11041@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: [TP560x] cases - shopping in Phoenix To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:35:39 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'll be in Phoenix sometime next week and I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good place to take a look at computer cases? I'd like to get one for my new TP560x ... the offerings here in Iowa City are rather slim. Thanks, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 11:36:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA09636 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11336; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:30:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10942; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10929; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com ([206.96.182.74]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01405 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:30:30 -0500 Message-ID: <35BC9E12.E04F661B@ro.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:34:42 -0500 From: Jeff Jackowski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: insurance anyone? References: <199807271434.JAA10897@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > Hiya Everyone, > > Does anyone carry any sort of special insurance for their laptop? My 765D came with an offer for additional insurance from some people, forgot who. The offer I got was good for 3 months after the purchase and was made to make it difficult to collect on a loss (surprise!). They only pay market value at the time of loss, and if you disagree with that value, you have to pay some person certified to value things to talk to their person who values things to decide on a value. I decided to spend my $400 elsewhere. > I got mine for "non-business" purposes, i.e, to work on my disseration > but I'm worried about my $3K laptop now that I've entered this new > long term relationship with my credit card company. Ouch. > I often ride my bike to campus and while I've not wiped out in a long > time, I wouldn't want to risk losing my 560x in a crash, or drop it. I don't know if the insurance offer I got, but didn't take, would cover that. I'm not sure any insurance would, but I'm not familiar with your State Farm thing (they refused to insure my car because I'm single and under 25, perfect driving record not withstanding :-P, so I'm not considering them). You might want to try a nicely padded backpack case to carry your pad in, if you haven't already. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 12:49:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12860 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15050; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:45:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14759; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14747; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:45:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JES560e@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id HKEBa04520; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9343faa8.35bcae3e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:43:41 EDT To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: insurance anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a message dated 7/27/1998 10:41:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bonak@cs.uiowa.edu writes: > Hiya Everyone, > > Does anyone carry any sort of special insurance for their laptop? > > I got mine for "non-business" purposes, i.e, to work on my disseration > but I'm worried about my $3K laptop now that I've entered this new > long term relationship with my credit card company. > > I often ride my bike to campus and while I've not wiped out in a long > time, I wouldn't want to risk losing my 560x in a crash, or drop it. > > I have home insurance with State Farm which covers theft, that's > it. The offer a special rider for $1.25/$100 value which presumably > covers _all_ risks (incl dropping it etc). Anyone have any experience > with this sort of things? Esmail, You might find the EasyServ Info Page interesting: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/infobrf/ibserv1.html I've been trying to purchase extended EasyServ coverage for my 560e; but, though it's offered on IBM's site, it's still not available for purchase. The phone number to call is: 1-800-426-7235 Regards... John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 14:07:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16169 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18566; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:03:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18425; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exit1.i-55.com (exit1.i-55.com [204.27.97.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18413; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from larry---anthony (161.new-orleans-01.la.dial-access.att.net [12.65.208.161]) by exit1.i-55.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08690 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:01:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980727130438.00793a40@i-55.com> X-Sender: suspend@i-55.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:04:38 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Anthony Subject: RedHat vs SuSE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know which version oof Linux is a better one? I have heard the SuSE has more apps included. Any thoughts? -anthony From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 15:31:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18055 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23411; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:29:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23237; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23225; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04303; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:28:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Anthony cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat vs SuSE In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980727130438.00793a40@i-55.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu SUSE has more applas included, however unlimited apps are available at the linux website www.lsl.com and I think Red Hat 5.1 is a better package as far as installation and drivers and use. Ray Bayles On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Anthony wrote: > Does anyone know which version oof Linux is a better one? I have heard the > SuSE has more apps included. Any thoughts? > -anthony > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 17:03:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19721 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27945; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:00:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27670; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27644; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from robinson.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA02374; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:59:36 -1000 Message-ID: <001a01bdb9a1$2532c780$fb32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: insurance anyone? Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:57:19 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John wrote: >You might find the EasyServ Info Page interesting: > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/infobrf/ibserv1.html > >I've been trying to purchase extended EasyServ coverage for my >560e; but, though it's offered on IBM's site, it's still not available >for purchase. I think Esmail is talking more about a crash - which insurance would cover - than extending the warrantee, which doesn't cover personal negligence. What trouble are you having getting the extended coverage? I bought 2 extra years for my 560, and though it was shockingly difficult to actually transact the purchase (given what a cash cow extended warrantees usually are), the extension certainly seemed to be available for my 560. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 17:51:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA20334 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00588; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:49:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00489; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00475; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marylou ([209.64.73.114]) by innernet.net with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 7637100 ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bdb9a8$6623abe0$724940d1@marylou> From: "Jamie K" To: Subject: [ANY]What's with the Home&Away NIC/modem card? Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:49:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDB986.DDA24F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDB986.DDA24F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there! I'm in dire need for some network connectivity for my Thinkpad 701C, = and finally came across the IBM Home&Away ethernet/modem card. It seems = to be the cheapest I can find. However, I keep seeing misc. messages = regarding Win95A/B compatibility. I'd like to know for SURE if this will = work on my thinkpad running Win95 OSR-A. I also read that if you do use = OSRB, that you can use the NIC if you copy OSR-A's PCMCIA drivers over = to OSR-B's windows/system directory? ANY comments/links/suggestions you = may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDB986.DDA24F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    I'm in dire need = for some=20 network connectivity for my Thinkpad 701C, and finally came across the = IBM=20 Home&Away ethernet/modem card. It seems to be the cheapest I can = find.=20 However, I keep seeing misc. messages regarding Win95A/B compatibility. = I'd like=20 to know for SURE if this will work on my thinkpad running Win95 OSR-A. I = also=20 read that if you do use OSRB, that you can use the NIC if you copy = OSR-A's=20 PCMCIA drivers over to OSR-B's windows/system directory? ANY=20 comments/links/suggestions you may have would be greatly appreciated.=20 Thanks!
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDB986.DDA24F40-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 17:59:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA20494 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01168; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:58:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01073; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01052; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-005-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.101]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08785; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35BCF7ED.9635EAA1@cia-g.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:58:06 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Canyonland Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: insurance anyone? References: <199807271434.JAA10897@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Riders on your home policy are usually the best... State Farm will write specific extra coverage at a less expensive rate than others.... USAA is my favorite... with remarkable full-value replacement coverage... State Farm is second... Better coverage, slightly more expensive, but won't give you a battle or a run-around when/if you have a claim... It is the claim that shows the value of the company. Ray Bayles Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Hiya Everyone, > > Does anyone carry any sort of special insurance for their laptop? > > I got mine for "non-business" purposes, i.e, to work on my disseration > but I'm worried about my $3K laptop now that I've entered this new > long term relationship with my credit card company. > > I often ride my bike to campus and while I've not wiped out in a long > time, I wouldn't want to risk losing my 560x in a crash, or drop it. > > I have home insurance with State Farm which covers theft, that's > it. The offer a special rider for $1.25/$100 value which presumably > covers _all_ risks (incl dropping it etc). Anyone have any experience > with this sort of things? > > Thanks, > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 18:34:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21103 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02604; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:33:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02501; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02489; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:32:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JES560e@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 1SRVa06494; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d30277.35bcffed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:32:12 EDT To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: insurance anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a message dated 7/27/98 5:02:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ross@math.hawaii.edu writes: > John wrote: > > >You might find the EasyServ Info Page interesting: > > > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/infobrf/ibserv1.html > > > >I've been trying to purchase extended EasyServ coverage for my > >560e; but, though it's offered on IBM's site, it's still not available > >for purchase. > > I think Esmail is talking more about a crash - which insurance would cover - > than extending the warrantee, which doesn't cover personal negligence. > > What trouble are you having getting the extended coverage? I bought 2 > extra > years for my 560, and though it was shockingly difficult to actually > transact > the purchase (given what a cash cow extended warrantees usually are), the > extension certainly seemed to be available for my 560. > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu Greetings David, Sorry if I misunderstood Esmail's question. It seems IBM is undergoing some internal changes and, though the website is advertising the warranty extension as available, the sales staff aren't set up to transact to purchase yet. I've got a 6-months to make the purchase. Regards... John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 19:13:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21662 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28655; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:04:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28212; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28172; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.135.14.15] (SoCal56k115.NetWiz.Net [208.135.14.15]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA01258; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:03:12 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980727130438.00793a40@i-55.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:46:35 -0700 To: Anthony From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: RedHat vs SuSE Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Does anyone know which version oof Linux is a better one? I have heard the >SuSE has more apps included. Any thoughts? >-anthony I plan to use Red Hat on my PC install. Plenty of cheap routes exist, but >from what I have read etc. buying a distribution targeted at your specific hardware is well worth the money. Best prices I have seen are at http://www.LinuxMall.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 21:38:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24095 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08817; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:37:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08705; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.magibox.net (postal.magibox.net [206.26.142.145]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08693; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magibox.net (lyra-17.magibox.net [206.28.74.17]) by postal.magibox.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id UAA24008 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:37:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35BD2C6E.4522B5AF@magibox.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:42:06 -0500 From: Dan Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat vs SuSE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I put "Zipslak" on my 755Cs (486/75, 12 megs RAM, 810 meg HDD). It co-exists with Win95 on the same partition. Starts up by exiting to DOS and using a DOS batch file. Seems to work just fine, although not much software comes with it. I have been able to install several packages though, including mSQL. The one I downloaded works with the Linux kernel 2.0.34, which is a very recent version. 2.0.35 is the most current. It worked fine with my PCMCIA modem to make a ppp connection. A very easy and flexible way to setup linux if you have limited space and still want to keep Win95 around. Cheers, Dan Davis shadow@magibox.net ddavi32@jcpenney.com Mike Ford wrote: > >Does anyone know which version oof Linux is a better one? I have heard the > >SuSE has more apps included. Any thoughts? > >-anthony > > I plan to use Red Hat on my PC install. Plenty of cheap routes exist, but > from what I have read etc. buying a distribution targeted at your specific > hardware is well worth the money. Best prices I have seen are at > http://www.LinuxMall.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 27 22:00:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24460 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09794; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:59:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09695; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09681; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA03641; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:59:28 -1000 Message-ID: <004901bdb9cb$85d57360$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: Cc: Subject: Re: insurance anyone? Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:00:39 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Greetings David, > >It seems IBM is undergoing some internal changes and, though the website >is advertising the warranty extension as available, the sales staff aren't set >up to transact to purchase yet. I've got a 6-months to make the purchase. Maybe they've decided that their old approach didn't work too well. In my case, I phoned the number I got from their website, which (eventually) got me to a sales rep. She took my information, and said she'd get back to me after verifying my eligibility. 7-8 days later, a different person called me to get all my information again, and I was told I'd get the paperwork soon. 2-3 weeks later, they faxed me a contract (which I got back to them maybe 10 days later). Total time for sale was therefore over a month. Now, this is right bang at my preferred pace, but I'll bet they lost many potential customers with this procedure. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 02:04:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28000 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16826; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:02:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16658; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.uq.edu.au (root@dingo.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16631; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cadaver89.anatomy.uq.edu.au ([130.102.138.89]) by mailbox.uq.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA25255 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:01:06 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:01:06 +1000 (GMT+1000) Message-Id: <199807280601.QAA25255@mailbox.uq.edu.au> X-Sender: andpaul@dingo.uq.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Darren J. Paul" Subject: Puzzling pause after startup on TP760XL. Please Help. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, My TP 760XL has recently developed a puzzling habit. After loading Win 95 and all the little accessory programs have loaded into the taskbar, there is now a period of up to a minute, or sometimes several periods of 10 or so seconds, where my mouse buttons and the enter key do not work. The mouse pointer is still moveable during this time. Afterwards, everything seems to function o.k. It appears that this is a mini freeze, and sounds to me like a momentary memory conflict, or something loading that is occuppying all of the processors time. I have installed several little utility programs recently, but none install to memory on startup. Can anyone suggest a course of action? Is there a prog which displays memory addresses in use, and potential conflicts, that may help? How could something like this "just develop"? Thanks in advance. Darren. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 03:24:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA28907 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19772; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:21:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19315; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19303; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA22202; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807280722.AAA22202@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 28 Jul 98 00:20:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP300 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If anyone here has EVER had a TP300, please email me, because I had the most bizarre HD problem (with a NEWER HD, replacing the gradually failing Conner 85MB currently inside). TIA, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 03:25:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA28921 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19807; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:22:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19374; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp01.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19352; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-104.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-104.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.104]) by smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id QAA18327; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:22:02 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: [TP701C] No C-A-D with Warp 4 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:08:50 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This isn't really a problem, more just a minor annoyance. When rebooting OS/2 Warp 4.0 after the message "It is now safe to turn off your computer, or restart the system by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del," C-A-D doesn't always reboot the machine. When it works right, pressing C-A-D makes the screen go , then go jet black for a moment and boot up normally. Many times, though, pressing C-A-D at the shutdown message just produces a single , and the machine doesn't restart -- it just sits there with a "live" black screen until I use the power switch. I've seen this happen on two different 701C machines running Warp 4.0, but never with Warp 3 or 3.1 (the Japanese "refresh") or with PC-DOS J7.0V. As I said, it's no big deal, but if anyone out there has a simple solution I'd be grateful. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 09:29:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03075 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04969; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:23:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04560; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04539; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id IAA11525; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:25:00 -0500 Message-ID: <35BDD0E0.3A2D2DC0@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 13:23:06 UT Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:23:44 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Darren J. Paul" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Puzzling pause after startup on TP760XL. Please Help. References: <199807280601.QAA25255@mailbox.uq.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Darren, There are several things that can cause hangs like you describe: - Check your recent document list. Sometimes if you've accessed docs on the network or on CD/floppy then Win95 will try to find them at boot. Try clearing your document menu list. - Could something have been added to your Startup folder, the registry's "run" keys, or win.ini that isn't accessible when you boot up? Have you installed anything from the network, floppy, or CD lately? - Did you last have Explorer open to a network, floppy, or CD drive that isn't currently connected? Open Explorer and make sure you are viewing a directory listing on your C: drive, then reboot and see what happens. - Run a virus check. This is a stretch, but not out of the question. - Try removing everything from your Startup folder and other autorun areas (registry's "run" keys, win.ini) and then reboot. If the problem goes away you can trace it down to the culprit by re-adding the programs back. By the way, what is the state of the pointer during the freeze? Is it the standard arrow, the hourglass (busy), or the arrow/hourglass (background process running)? HTH, Rob Darren J. Paul wrote: > > Hi all, > > My TP 760XL has recently developed a puzzling habit. After loading Win 95 > and all the little accessory programs have loaded into the taskbar, there is > now a period of up to a minute, or sometimes several periods of 10 or so > seconds, where my mouse buttons and the enter key do not work. The mouse > pointer is still moveable during this time. Afterwards, everything seems to > function o.k. > > It appears that this is a mini freeze, and sounds to me like a momentary > memory conflict, or something loading that is occuppying all of the > processors time. I have installed several little utility programs recently, > but none install to memory on startup. > > Can anyone suggest a course of action? Is there a prog which displays > memory addresses in use, and potential conflicts, that may help? How could > something like this "just develop"? > > Thanks in advance. > > Darren. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@csc.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 10:49:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04185 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08072; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:47:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07956; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07944; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marylou ([209.37.168.34]) by innernet.net with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 8549800 ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:57:33 -0400 Message-ID: <028301bdba36$a86a9700$724940d1@marylou> From: "Jamie K" To: Subject: WTB:IBM Home&Away modem/network PCMCIA card. 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-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0280_01BDBA15.208664C0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 12:25:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05605 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13391; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:23:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13245; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13228; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (102.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.230]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA09159; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35BDFBB2.B39D8141@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:26:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anthony CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C References: <199807242130.OAA21222@stevie.loop.com> <3.0.5.32.19980727081448.007aa5c0@i-55.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anthony.. you bid $5 and "WIN" the bidding war, then you pay for shipping $10 to $30, and wait for a few days to a couple of weeks.. then when the item arrives, you "win" if it is as advertised and it works.. :-) Anthony wrote: > How does one "win" this sort of stuff? > > At 03:06 AM 7/25/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Paul.. > >the 700C is S L O W . . . . ! > >very slow.. **snip** -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 12:36:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05778 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14193; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:35:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14095; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14061; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (102.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.230]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA12573; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35BDFE4B.1D6B0E52@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:37:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick West CC: David Ross , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [TPall] Memory again - some reflections, discoveries (very long - sorry!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Patrick.. NO, 360 uses credit card memory.. (DRAM cards), not DIMM's.. Patrick West wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, David Ross wrote: > > (6) Anyone in the mainland US willing to risk non-branded memory and > > looking for a real deal, Insight has a 32 meg chip for the 560 > > (380, etc) for only $39; search under "Commodity memory"! > > Any chance that will work on a 360? > > Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp > PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D > Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 12:38:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05810 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14523; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:37:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14368; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14337; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (102.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.230]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA13287; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35BDFECA.DDE515DB@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:39:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: insurance anyone? References: <199807271434.JAA10897@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Knox does 3 years, all risk.. look for a blue card that came in your new thinkpad paperwork.. they have had very good marks from all users who have purchased the insurance and had a claim.. if you want the # ask and i'll dig it up.. :-) Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Hiya Everyone, > > Does anyone carry any sort of special insurance for their laptop? > > I got mine for "non-business" purposes, i.e, to work on my disseration > but I'm worried about my $3K laptop now that I've entered this new > long term relationship with my credit card company. > > I often ride my bike to campus and while I've not wiped out in a long > time, I wouldn't want to risk losing my 560x in a crash, or drop it. > > I have home insurance with State Farm which covers theft, that's > it. The offer a special rider for $1.25/$100 value which presumably > covers _all_ risks (incl dropping it etc). Anyone have any experience > with this sort of things? > > Thanks, > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 12:45:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05956 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15098; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:44:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14929; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14916; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA23820 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:46:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:46:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat vs SuSE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wanted Linux on my PC, and I read good things about SuSE, and heard good things about RedHat, and wanted to be different, so I bought SuSE. SuSE can use packages written for RedHat's RPM system. If you know Linux, buy SuSE from cheapbytes for $1.99. If you want to learn Linux, buy RedHat with the RedHat book from somewhere. If you already like RedHat, buy that for $2. (They have single CD versions for $1.99 and good prices on "official" distributions.) SuSE Linux is not for beginners. It's manual is translated from informal German, so it's not precise, or clear, and sometimes it's just wrong. (I have version 5.2.) However, it does come with FOUR CD's full of stuff that's trivial to install. Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 13:10:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06308 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16746; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:08:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16430; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16416; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corn.cs.uiowa.edu (corn.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.59]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id MAA23984 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:08:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807281708.MAA23984@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: [TP560] system slow (linux) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:08:27 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was compiling the same set of files under RedHat 5.1 linux and it takes my laptop much (much) longer to do this than my desktop, even though the laptop has faster processor. The laptop is attached to the ac outlet i.e., it's not on battery power. laptop (TP560x) desktop (GW PPro200) ------------------------------------------------ CPU 233Mhz MMX 200Mhz PPro RAM 96MB 96MB BogoMips 101.58 199.07 Time to Compile 13min 23sec 3min 39sec There has to be something wrong, no? Seems to me I must be running in slow-poke mode. How can I get to super-duper turbo mode? I ought to be able to do much bettter right? Under Win95 I configured full cpu power when attached to the AC (via the TP config program). Something odd going on here ... Suggestions? Esmail ps: please also mail me directly if you post, I get this list in digest form (once every day), and frankly, I'm not the patient type :-) ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 13:25:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06548 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18121; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:23:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18005; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17993; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA23972; Tue, 28 Jul 98 13:23:46 EDT Message-Id: <35BE0926.B35D75CA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:23:50 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) References: <199807281708.MAA23984@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu That sounds a bit strange. However, a Pentium Pro (and Pentium II) is generally a fair bit faster than a Pentium at the same clock rate. Also, in your laptop only the first 64MB are cachable; the remaining 32MB will not use the L2 cache at all. That's a Pentium chipset limitation. You could tell Linux to use only 64MB to see if it makes any difference (you can do it with lilo). Still, when I had a 233MHz MMX 770 running linux, I thought it was fairly comparable in speed to a 200MHz PPro running solaris, so I don't understand the factor of four difference you're seeing. What kernel and config options are you using? What linux distribution? --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 13:30:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06698 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18689; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:29:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18513; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18476; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corn.cs.uiowa.edu (corn.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.59]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id MAA26712; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:28:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807281728.MAA26712@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu (I Lee Hetherington) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:28:38 -0500 (CDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: <35BE0926.B35D75CA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> from "I Lee Hetherington" at Jul 28, 98 01:23:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I Lee Hetherington writes: > > That sounds a bit strange. > > However, a Pentium Pro (and Pentium II) is generally a fair bit faster > than a Pentium at the same clock rate. Also, in your laptop only the > first 64MB are cachable; the remaining 32MB will not use the L2 cache at > all. That's a Pentium chipset limitation. Hmm .. I didn't know that .... > You could tell Linux to use > only 64MB to see if it makes any difference (you can do it with lilo). Actually, it didn't seem to make much difference. Yesterday I was running with 64MB and it took also close to 15 minutes ... then I realized that Linux was only seeing 64MB so I did the lilo append thing to get all of the RAM recognized ... > Still, when I had a 233MHz MMX 770 running linux, I thought it was > fairly comparable in speed to a 200MHz PPro running solaris, so I don't > understand the factor of four difference you're seeing. Same here ... > What kernel and config options are you using? What linux distribution? Linux europa.veggie.com 2.0.34 #1 Fri May 8 16:05:57 EDT 1998 i686 unknown Straight off the Red Hat Linux 5.1 distribution ... Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 13:34:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06743 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19136; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:33:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19008; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18977; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corn.cs.uiowa.edu (corn.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.59]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id MAA27055; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:32:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807281732.MAA27055@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: WTB:IBM Home&Away modem/network PCMCIA To: jlk@innernet.net Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:32:55 -0500 (CDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hiya Jamie, I just bought one of these from onsale.com ... the card was $15, s&h added another $8 for a total $23. Shrink-wrapped package. While the ethernet part works (under linux - that's all I've tried so far) I can't get the modem to work either under linux (it should) and win95 (was iffy to start out from what I had read). However, under both OS I get the card to respond to modem commands such as AT, ATZ, ATM1 etc, but when I try to dial a number it doesn't work. I'll do ATDT3356200 and I get a dialtone for only 1 or 2 seconds before it quits and I get a "NO DIALTONE" message. This is on a new TP560x. I can dial out with this machine using the standard serial port and an external modem. But I digress :-) Esmail > Hey there! > > I'v looked around, and the Home&Away card seemed to be the > cheapest I could fin d. Someone told me that I can also find them > new for around $20.00. Either used or new, I'd like to pay around > 20buks for one. Must have all cables/dongles, drivers, manuals, > etc. Please e-mail me your offer! ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 14:01:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07156 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21676; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:59:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21549; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quickturn.com (antigone.quickturn.com [208.210.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21525; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sanjose.quickturn.com (fw-screen.quickturn.com [208.210.16.1]) by quickturn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA05554 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exp9 (exp9.quickturn.com [172.17.30.41]) by sanjose.quickturn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA11968 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Liu Received: by exp9 (SMI-8.6) id KAA28247; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:59:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:59:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199807281759.KAA28247@exp9> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: PC Card Modem and Printer Recommendations X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi - I have an IBM Thinkpad 560/133 running Debian Linux 1.3.1 (will upgrade to 2.0 soon) and OS/2 primarily and Windoze 95 occasionally and I was looking for some equipment recommendations. I want to get a 56K PC card modem, hopefully one that will work with all three OS's if it needs to. The Xircom 10/100 56K combo card looks interesting, just because it combines so much into a small package, but cost and ease of installation are more imporatant to me than throughput. I'm also looking for a low-cost ink-jet with good quality, especially for the occasional color output. I'll be a student again this fall, so I'll have use of the school's laser printers for black and white output, but I want something to turn out drafts at home. I might consider a portable printer if the quality and price don't drop off that much. Again OS compatibility is a major factor and speed is not. The HP and Epson look OK. Are multifunction devices worth it, or should I get separate scanner/fax/copiers? Thanks, - justin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 14:26:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07506 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23017; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:23:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22831; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22819; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA06053; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:23:16 -1000 Message-ID: <004501bdba54$f7d82a00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Jamie K" , Subject: Re: WTB:IBM Home&Away modem/network PCMCIA card. Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:24:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Computer Geeks (http://www.compgeeks.com) has them for $18. To me, this card has always seemed like false economy, since (a) configuration seems troublesome, (b) I think they have a relatively high power draw, and (c) the modem part is slow by modern standards. I've bought 3 'real' PCMCIA LAN cards in the last year, and none cost more than $30 new. Liquidators like surplusdirect and consumerdepot usually have remaindered cards for good prices. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 15:07:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08088 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26403; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:05:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26284; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26258; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA01447; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807281906.MAA01447@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "bonak@cs.uiowa.edu" Date: Tue, 28 Jul 98 12:04:05 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WTB:IBM Home&Away modem/network PCMCIA Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:32:55 -0500 (CDT), Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: >Hiya Jamie, > >I just bought one of these from onsale.com ... the card was $15, >s&h added another $8 for a total $23. Shrink-wrapped package. > >While the ethernet part works (under linux - that's all I've tried so >far) I can't get the modem to work either under linux (it should) and >win95 (was iffy to start out from what I had read). > >However, under both OS I get the card to respond to modem commands >such as AT, ATZ, ATM1 etc, but when I try to dial a number it doesn't >work. > This is unusual, but I've had similiar problems. I have the H&A 28.8 version, and while the ethernet part works great on my TCP/IP network, I can't dial out on the modem when I'm mobile. I don't know if it's a driver issue, since I have version 2.0 of the OS/2 driver. When I have only the modem enabler, the modem works great. If you can initialize the modem, then there is another slight problem. Sometimes the H&A won't dial out. Use the command ATX3 to force it to stay on, whether or not it finds a dialtone. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 15:09:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08112 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26619; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:07:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26458; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26388; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA01739; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807281908.MAA01739@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Justin Liu" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 28 Jul 98 12:06:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PC Card Modem and Printer Recommendations Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Are >multifunction devices worth it, or should I get separate scanner/fax/copiers? > Most of the multifunction devices I've seen are WinDO$ 95 compatible only, so you might be better off getting seperate devices. Especially important if one breaks, otherwise, you'd be replacing the whole unit! -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 15:10:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08150 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24022; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:35:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23855; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23835; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:35:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <199807281835.OAA23835@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:36:55 -0400 To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: [TP560] system slow (linux) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:06:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 64MB RAM limit for L2 cache is that just for TP computers or just some TP computers or all notebook computers or what? If it isn't for all computers running a Pentium chip then how does one determine what's what? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) Author: I Lee Hetherington [SMTP:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] at Jax-Exchange Date: 7/28/98 1:23 PM That sounds a bit strange. However, a Pentium Pro (and Pentium II) is generally a fair bit faster than a Pentium at the same clock rate. Also, in your laptop only the first 64MB are cachable; the remaining 32MB will not use the L2 cache at all. That's a Pentium chipset limitation. You could tell Linux to use only 64MB to see if it makes any difference (you can do it with lilo). Still, when I had a 233MHz MMX 770 running linux, I thought it was fairly comparable in speed to a 200MHz PPro running solaris, so I don't understand the factor of four difference you're seeing. What kernel and config options are you using? What linux distribution? --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 15:12:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08190 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27079; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:10:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26785; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26691; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA02080; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807281910.MAA02080@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bill Morrow" Date: Tue, 28 Jul 98 12:08:20 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:26:26 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Anthony.. >you bid $5 and "WIN" the bidding war, then you pay for shipping $10 to $30, and >wait for a few days to a couple of weeks.. >then when the item arrives, you "win" if it is as advertised and it works.. > That sounds about right. I just picked up a new battery for my 701 (NiCAD), and it took about 1.5 weeks for the whole sale. Which makes me wonder, how long will a fully charged NiCAD last in a 701, on average? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 15:44:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08707 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29688; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:42:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29503; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [166.84.1.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29488; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix3.panix.com (mE93+13p0u0LFmqUp0SjtoHrCdAyBKzw@panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.68]) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.8.8/PanixU1.4) with SMTP id PAA07321; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807281941.PAA07321@panix4.panix.com> To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu cc: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu (I Lee Hetherington), THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:28:38 CDT." <199807281728.MAA26712@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:41:44 -0400 From: Mark Bergman Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In your message dated: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:28:38 CDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => => Actually, it didn't seem to make much difference. Yesterday I was => running with 64MB and it took also close to 15 minutes ... then I => realized that Linux was only seeing 64MB so I did the lilo append => thing to get all of the RAM recognized ... => => => > What kernel and config options are you using? What linux distribution? => => Linux europa.veggie.com 2.0.34 #1 Fri May 8 16:05:57 EDT 1998 i686 unknown => => Straight off the Red Hat Linux 5.1 distribution ... Hmmm.... I'm also running Red Hat 5.1, on a ThinkPad 600 (233MMX). I find that kernel compiles are much shorter than 15 minutes. I'll rebuild the kernel and time it... Mark ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Unix mechanic 718-855-9148 bergman@panix.com {cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 17:54:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10765 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06407; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:52:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06284; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06265; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA04048 for <@mak.mak.com:THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA13355 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:56:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:56:07 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: [TP560] system slow (linux) In-Reply-To: <199807281835.OAA23835@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > The 64MB RAM limit for L2 cache is that just for TP computers or just > some TP computers or all notebook computers or what? If it isn't for > all computers running a Pentium chip then how does one determine > what's what? Here's the deal. On your motherboard, there is a chipset which controls the grand scheme of things - how your CPU talks to the PCI bus (or whatever other busses), how it accesses memory, and, yes, how it uses the cache. This chipset is made primarily by Intel although a couple other companies make their own versions. The most common and older Pentium chipset (430HX) could cache up to 512 MB of RAM. About the time SDRAM started to show up, Intel introduced the Pentium Pro processor. The Pentium Pro chipsets could cache up to 512 MB and use SDRAM. Intel also produced several Pentium chipsets which could use SDRAM and a variety of other new features (430VX and 430TX), but they crippled all of them by limiting the cache to 64MB. Word on the street is that this was to encourage sales of Pentium Pro systems. Why buy a high-end Pentium box and limit yourself to 64MB of cached memory when you could pay a couple hundred more and get a Pentium Pro box? Anyways, a couple companies (notably AMD) produce Pentium chipsets which let you use SDRAM *and* cache up to 512MB, but all the high-end Intel Pentium chipsets are crippled at 64MB. When computer companies put together a high-end laptop, they try to use genuine Intel(TM) components and select the high-end stuff even though they don't care about SDRAM. So the high-end Pentium laptops are crippled with a 64MB L2 cache limit. Go to the following site if you want the gory details about what each chipset has and doesn't have. http://www.motherboards.org/chipset.html#Pentium -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 17:56:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10808 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06746; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:54:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06506; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06465; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA04074 for <@mak.mak.com:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA13445 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:58:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:58:08 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ThinkPad 700C In-Reply-To: <199807281910.MAA02080@stevie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Which makes me wonder, how long will a fully charged NiCAD > last in a 701, on average? About 1.5 hours, give or take some. The NiMH version will last about 2.5 to 3.2 hours, depending on how much you baby it. Well worth the extra cost (at the time). -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 18:16:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11162 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08036; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:14:59 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07841; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id SAA02953; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07776; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA08493; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:14:09 -1000 Message-ID: <005401bdba75$374bdae0$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:15:20 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > The 64MB RAM limit for L2 cache is that just for TP computers or just [snip] >From my post on this list from May 29: Apropos of the recent thread on the effect of having > 64 meg on a ThinkPad (or any Pentium machine) there's a clear discussion of the situation at http://www.pcguide.com/ref/mbsys/cache/char_Cacheability.htm David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 28 19:38:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12492 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11653; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:37:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11503; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11489; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA21359; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:42:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Esmail Bonakdarian cc: jlk@innernet.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB:IBM Home&Away modem/network PCMCIA In-Reply-To: <199807281732.MAA27055@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > I'll do ATDT3356200 and I get a dialtone for only 1 or 2 seconds > before it quits and I get a "NO DIALTONE" message. I had one and used it with my TP560-120 last year before buying a Motorola Mariner. Read your modem booklet and diable the wait for dialtone before dialing. Then it will work fine. Paul had one too so he might remember more about it than I do. It's not a bad little card and excellent for the price. It was just at the right place at the wrong time as far as technology goes. It didn't have enough onboard flash RAM to be compatible with both DOS/Win3x and Win95 at the same time. It took a while before the Win95 patch was out and then it broke again in OSR2. If you don't mind a little work it is great. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 00:05:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA16103 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21351; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:02:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21101; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21089; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id XAA05935; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:02:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199807290402.XAA05935@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: WTB:IBM Home&Away modem/network PCMCIA To: sparker@torgo.punk.net (Steve Parker) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:02:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jlk@innernet.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: from "Steve Parker" at Jul 28, 98 04:42:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve Parker writes: > > On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > > I'll do ATDT3356200 and I get a dialtone for only 1 or 2 seconds > > before it quits and I get a "NO DIALTONE" message. > > I had one and used it with my TP560-120 last year before buying a > Motorola Mariner. Read your modem booklet and diable the wait for > dialtone before dialing. Then it will work fine. Paul had one too so he > might remember more about it than I do. Hi, Yes, you were right, with ATX3 I was able to get this to work just fine. Cool. not bad for $23 I got a pcmcia 14.4 modem and ethernet card that works. Modem works under both Win95 and Linux, ethernet under Linux too. Don't know enough about Win95 to give the ethernet side a try yet. Thanks for the message. And thanks to Paul Khoury for providing me with the ATX3 string! This is a really helpful bunch of people here. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 01:21:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA17293 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24052; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:18:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23937; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23925; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22022; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:24:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:24:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Esmail Bonakdarian cc: jlk@innernet.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB:IBM Home&Away modem/network PCMCIA In-Reply-To: <199807290402.XAA05935@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Yes, you were right, with ATX3 I was able to get this to work just > fine. Cool. not bad for $23 I got a pcmcia 14.4 modem and ethernet > card that works. Modem works under both Win95 and Linux, ethernet > under Linux too. Don't know enough about Win95 to give the ethernet > side a try yet. It's not a bad unit for the price. I bought mine in December '96 for ~$69 or so. It has its problems, but for a skilled and persistent individual it is fine. > Thanks for the message. And thanks to Paul Khoury for providing me > with the ATX3 string! This is a really helpful bunch of people here. I remember helping Paul get his going way back when.. =) I hadn't seen one for over a year and couldn't say what the command was for sure. I'm glad you got it going though.. =) I found the big plastic plug with the jacks on it to be annoying, but it isn't that bad. I also couldn't suspend/resume properly with it. I could, but the H&A didn't get powered down like it was suppose to. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 03:28:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA18821 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 03:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28025; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 03:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 03:25:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27791; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 03:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.hd.ibm.de (firewall.hd.ibm.de [192.101.197.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27778; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 03:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com by firewall.hd.ibm.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03/TWS 4.03.3-cherub) id AA29104; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:20:16 +0200 Received: from pool3.heidelbg.ibm.com (pool3.heidelbg.ibm.com [9.228.3.103]) by mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.4-mailserver) with ESMTP id JAA32142 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:24:43 +0200 (MSZ) Received: (from krumeich@localhost) by pool3.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.2-pool) id JAA29850; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:24:42 +0200 (MSZ) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:24:42 +0200 (MSZ) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat vs SuSE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Until I bought my TP 600 I have used several versions of SuSE Linux. Then I bought the RedHat distribution since my older SuSE Linux (5.1) didn't work with my ThinkPad (booting the kernel form the install disk caused crashes). I have never really used the yast administration routines. For installation, however, SuSE is by far more convenient than RedHat. There are lots of different user profiles and the packages selection mechanisms are more informative (how much space is left in all the files systems, additional information about the selected package is displayed immediately). The number of applications is by far higher with SuSE. I am a bit disappointed about the long errata list of the RedHat 5.1 set. Downloading 100 MB before I had an up-to-date system was a bit of an annoyance. Let's see if I can get the turn to write anything ThinkPad specific before the off-topicness of the thread kills me: I don't know how easy it is to integrate the X server for NeoMagic chipsets into SuSE. I also have absolutely no idea if there are copyright restrictions about using this X server with a non RedHat Linux distribution. However, these might be topics to consider. Eventually, my RedHat 5.1 system with lots of upgrades and Accelerated X runs very reliably. The only glitch I experience is that Netscape Communicator and xfig mess up parts of the screen. Something is wrong with the bitmaps. BTW -- any help? Any ideas? Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 07:51:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA21046 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09432; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:49:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09331; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (qmailr@airbus.mayn.de [194.95.209.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09318; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12071 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1998 11:52:49 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.95.209.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 11:52:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 19790 invoked by uid 5); 29 Jul 1998 11:49:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19980729114921.19789.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from bedrock.mayn.de by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:45:10 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 13:45:09 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TP760ED] WinNT4 InfraRed Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I can't get InfraRed to work on my TP760ED (9546-X9A) running Windows NT 4.0. The hardware is ok, since it works on OS/2 Warp 4. I installed all drivers in the way the corresponding Tech Sheet (http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/83be.html) explains. But neither the IrDa port nor the serial port works. Maybe there's a ressource problem. Could anyone on this list who has IrDa running on NT have a look at his ressource assignment? -> There are 2 PCMCIA cards inserted that need ressources, a SCSI card (Adaptec SlimSCSI) and a Network/Modem card (Xircom Credit Card Ethernet 10/100 + Modem 56). The modem part of the latter card doesn't work either. It is also possible that IBMs "serial.sys" causes the misbehaviour. What is the size and date of a working "serial.sys"? Thanks for any hints in advance! --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 09:18:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22029 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12102; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:17:27 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12013; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id JAA07743; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11536; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id IAA28891; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:06:30 -0500 Message-ID: <35BF1E09.2BFA54FA@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 13:04:34 UT Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:05:13 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) References: <199807281708.MAA23984@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Esmail, Your Pentium Pro desktop has a vastly superior processor for doing 32-bit work, such as compiling. This is true even though the clock speed suggests your laptop should be quicker. This is also true even if the two systems seem similar in performance when doing normal Win95 work, since Win95 contains a fair amount of 16-bit code which is not optimal for a PPro. The PPro has underlying architecture advantages and likely has a better L2 cache also. Don't worry about it, just use your desktop. It has the most advanced Intel processor currently available (except for Xeon, which is mainly just in servers right now). Don't be fooled, a Pentium II is a crippled PPro, just running at a higher clock speed. HTH, Rob Rob Bell rob_bell@csi.com Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > I was compiling the same set of files under RedHat 5.1 linux and it > takes my laptop much (much) longer to do this than my desktop, even > though the laptop has faster processor. The laptop is attached to the > ac outlet i.e., it's not on battery power. > > laptop (TP560x) desktop (GW PPro200) > ------------------------------------------------ > CPU 233Mhz MMX 200Mhz PPro > RAM 96MB 96MB > BogoMips 101.58 199.07 > > Time > to > Compile 13min 23sec 3min 39sec > > There has to be something wrong, no? Seems to me I must be running in > slow-poke mode. How can I get to super-duper turbo mode? I ought to be > able to do much bettter right? > > Under Win95 I configured full cpu power when attached to the AC (via > the TP config program). > > Something odd going on here ... > > Suggestions? > > Esmail > > ps: please also mail me directly if you post, I get this list in > digest form (once every day), and frankly, I'm not the patient type > :-) > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 11:53:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24303 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20518; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:50:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20387; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20368; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (216.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.216]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id LAA21977 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35BF4562.270AE9F@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:53:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RC Knox Insurance for thinkpads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At the request of a list member, i post the following... Within the docs for every thinkpad i have ever purchased, is a blue brochure for: R. C. Knox & Company 800-619-0083 they write all risk insurance on thinkpads and have gotten very good comment from those who have had claims.. the last i heard it was $350~ for the top thinkpads.. (currently the 770ED and 770E) for a 3 year policy.. other, lower initial cost, thinkpads might have a different fee schedule.. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 12:03:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24424 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21326; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:02:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21183; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21165; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (216.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.216]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id LAA25297; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35BF479B.AA2E9EA5@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:02:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu CC: I Lee Hetherington , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) References: <199807281728.MAA26712@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CD2344E4D04A5BDE0A0F50AC" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --------------CD2344E4D04A5BDE0A0F50AC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was under the impression that the P-II chip DOES have the ability to cache all the memory in a system.. ?! more than the 64meg limit for the non-P-II chips..!? Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > I Lee Hetherington writes: > > > > That sounds a bit strange. > > > > However, a Pentium Pro (and Pentium II) is generally a fair bit faster > > than a Pentium at the same clock rate. Also, in your laptop only the > > first 64MB are cachable; the remaining 32MB will not use the L2 cache at > > all. That's a Pentium chipset limitation. > > Hmm .. I didn't know that .... > **snip** -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone --------------CD2344E4D04A5BDE0A0F50AC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was under the impression that the P-II chip DOES have the ability to cache all the memory in a system.. ?!
more than the 64meg limit for the non-P-II chips..!?

Esmail Bonakdarian wrote:

I Lee Hetherington writes:
>
> That sounds a bit strange.
>
> However, a Pentium Pro (and Pentium II) is generally a fair bit faster
> than a Pentium at the same clock rate.  Also, in your laptop only the
> first 64MB are cachable; the remaining 32MB will not use the L2 cache at
> all.  That's a Pentium chipset limitation.

Hmm .. I didn't know that ....
 

**snip** 

--
Happy Trails...   :-)
** Bill Morrow **
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DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com
770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad
Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone
  --------------CD2344E4D04A5BDE0A0F50AC-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 12:07:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24510 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21696; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:05:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21505; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21481; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netpathway.com (port6-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.203]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04721; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:05:14 -0500 Message-ID: <35BEF41E.7D66B809@netpathway.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 05:06:22 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: Rob Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) References: <000a01bdbb07$5e6cb670$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I believe what Rob is referring to is the differences in the speed that the L2 cache is run. On a Pentium II processor, the on-board L2 cache is run at half of processor speed, or 117 MHz. The L2 cache on all Pentium Pro processors runs at the same clock speed of the processor, i.e. 200 MHz. This is probably why Rob is calling the PII 'crippled'. It is true that the PII has been tweaked to run 16 bit code better than the PPro. If you look at benchmarks that are available, scores between a PPro 200/512K cache and a PII233 are very close, sometimes a bit better for the PPro 200 in some 32 bit applications. In some peoples opinion, the PPro has been the best processor available from Intel (especially for high end servers) until the Xeon recently was released. Eric Giles David W. Taylor wrote: > > Rob, > Are you misreading here? The TP560x referred to below has a Pentium 233 > and not a Pentium II 233. That is why the disparity is so large. > > As I understand it, the Pentium II is basically the same as a Pentium Pro > but slightly performance tweaked to run 16 bit code more sweetly. You imply > the opposite. > > Who is correct? I am a proud TP600 P II-233 owner and I would be REALLY > miffed if I paid a large premium over the P 233 model for no reason. > > David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 12:14:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24582 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22346; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:13:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22199; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22187; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg128-212.ricochet.net [204.179.128.212]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08830; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001f01bdbb0b$690a02a0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Eric Giles" Cc: "Rob Bell" , Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:10:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks, Eric, that was exactly what I needed to know. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Giles To: David W. Taylor Cc: Rob Bell ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) >I believe what Rob is referring to is the differences in the speed that >the L2 cache is run. On a Pentium II processor, the on-board L2 cache is >run at half of processor speed, or 117 MHz. The L2 cache on all Pentium >Pro processors runs at the same clock speed of the processor, i.e. 200 >MHz. This is probably why Rob is calling the PII 'crippled'. It is true >that the PII has been tweaked to run 16 bit code better than the PPro. >If you look at benchmarks that are available, scores between a PPro >200/512K cache and a PII233 are very close, sometimes a bit better for >the PPro 200 in some 32 bit applications. In some peoples opinion, the >PPro has been the best processor available from Intel (especially for >high end servers) until the Xeon recently was released. > >Eric Giles > >David W. Taylor wrote: >> >> Rob, >> Are you misreading here? The TP560x referred to below has a Pentium 233 >> and not a Pentium II 233. That is why the disparity is so large. >> >> As I understand it, the Pentium II is basically the same as a Pentium Pro >> but slightly performance tweaked to run 16 bit code more sweetly. You imply >> the opposite. >> >> Who is correct? I am a proud TP600 P II-233 owner and I would be REALLY >> miffed if I paid a large premium over the P 233 model for no reason. >> >> David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 13:01:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25305 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25553; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:59:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25419; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (root@marlin.nosc.mil [128.49.4.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25391; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dseaman (seaman.nosc.mil [128.49.190.51]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA20126 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807291659.JAA20126@marlin.nosc.mil> X-Sender: dseaman@marlin.nosc.mil X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:59:58 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Derek Seaman Subject: TP 600 and NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just got my TP 600 and it came with Windows 95. Yuk! I would like to install NT 4.0 and Red Hat Linux on it. What I'm concerned with is battery life with NT. It is as smart (or smarter??) than Windows 95 with using the halt instruction, and conserving battery time? Any known problems with Red Hat 5.1 and a TP600 PII 233? Thanks, Derek L. Seaman, Engineer Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 SPAWAR System Center, San Diego dseaman@spawar.navy.mil Ph: (619) 553-6795 Fx: (619) 553-1133 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 13:06:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25393 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26223; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:04:45 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25968; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA08539; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25177; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id LAA09030; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <35BF541F.43EF07CD@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 16:55:22 UT Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:55:59 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) References: <000a01bdbb07$5e6cb670$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David W. Taylor wrote: > > Rob, > Are you misreading here? The TP560x referred to below has a Pentium 233 > and not a Pentium II 233. That is why the disparity is so large. > David, No, I wasn't referring to either of Esmail's PCs when I mentioned the Pentium II. I was just trying to clarify that when I said the PPro was the most advanced processor until the Xeon I was intentionally considering the PII as a lesser chip even though it is newer. I'm not saying that the PII is a bad processor. By and large it is great and a lot better than a Pentium. It was just a step back from the PPro which Intel took for economic reasons. The PPro was more expensive to manufacture because both the CPU core and the L2 cache are on the same silicon chip, whereas the PII has them on separate chips connected inside the Slot 1 module. By offering the PII in faster clock speeds than the PPro with better 16-bit performance it makes up the difference. You said: > As I understand it, the Pentium II is basically the same as a Pentium Pro > but slightly performance tweaked to run 16 bit code more sweetly. You imply > the opposite. > > Who is correct? I am a proud TP600 P II-233 owner and I would be REALLY > miffed if I paid a large premium over the P 233 model for no reason. You're right in your understanding, but in addition to the improvements of higher speed, improved 16-bit performance, and new MMX instructions, the PII had the above described setbacks that show themselves in 32-bit CPU intensive tasks such as compiling, etc. I also think the additional cost of the PII over a Pentium in a system is well worth it. Hopefully Intel can work the bugs out of Xeon and make it mobile so we can have the best of both worlds! Later, Rob rob_bell@csi.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 13:11:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25454 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19694; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:40:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19285; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19259; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg128-212.ricochet.net [204.179.128.212]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA17602; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01bdbb07$5e6cb670$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Rob Bell" , Cc: Subject: Re: [TP560] system slow (linux) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:41:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Rob, Are you misreading here? The TP560x referred to below has a Pentium 233 and not a Pentium II 233. That is why the disparity is so large. As I understand it, the Pentium II is basically the same as a Pentium Pro but slightly performance tweaked to run 16 bit code more sweetly. You imply the opposite. Who is correct? I am a proud TP600 P II-233 owner and I would be REALLY miffed if I paid a large premium over the P 233 model for no reason. David >Don't be fooled, a Pentium II is a crippled >PPro, just running at a higher clock speed. > >HTH, >Rob > >Rob Bell >rob_bell@csi.com > > >> >> laptop (TP560x) desktop (GW PPro200) >> ------------------------------------------------ >> CPU 233Mhz MMX 200Mhz PPro >> RAM 96MB 96MB >> BogoMips 101.58 199.07 .edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 13:11:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25459 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26733; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:09:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26536; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26523; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12234 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:09:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux Addendum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu the new/current "Linux Journal", August 1998, has an article that compares various Linux distributions. They agree that SuSE seems to have more apps with it because it takes ovver 2 Gig of disk space to load. However Redhat 5.1 is the most rapidly accelerating program in terms of new purchases and installations. They both arrive at a very low price in various packages at www.lsl.com for as low as $1.95 and $24.95 I got a tremendous number of books for beginners, intermediates, startups, references, bibles with five different versions/vendors of Linux for under $110. It is clear that RedHat 5.1 is making the biggest splash, has one of the better books, and the nicest packaging. I am going to go back to SuSE to see if they have added enough apps to make it work better with a Thinkpad. I doubt it. The Thinkpad Issue may change as IBM now has several apps awaiting a final decision on the marketplace. If IBM pushes Linux, which seems likely, we will see many changes in Linux for Thinkpads. The July 27 isse of "InfoWorld" has several articles on Linux: "Linux Moves Up: Database Leaders Lend Credibility", "With Each New Deal, Linus Gains Strength," "Exciting Extreme Linus Moves Toward Big Clusters," "Will Ballmer Take the Fall when Linus Supplants Windows NT 5.0?" and "Linux is Gaining Ground But It Still Has Miles to Go in Corporate American." Ray Bayles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 13:15:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25525 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23019; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:14:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22395; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.telusplanet.net (mailgate.telusplanet.net [199.185.220.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22373; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clgrps05.agt.net ([198.161.156.16]:54143 "EHLO clgrps05.agt.net" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 54143]") by mailgate.telusplanet.net with ESMTP id <60832-4721>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:13:32 -0600 Received: from ibm.net ([204.209.11.130]) by mail.telusplanet.net with ESMTP id <268288-4488>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:13:02 -0600 Message-ID: <35BF4932.3C2C2BEA@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:09:22 -0600 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: RC Knox Insurance for thinkpads References: <35BF4562.270AE9F@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Too bad that it is offered only in the US, and not in Canada Geza Bill Morrow wrote: > At the request of a list member, i post the following... > > Within the docs for every thinkpad i have ever purchased, is a blue > brochure for: > R. C. Knox & Company > 800-619-0083 > > they write all risk insurance on thinkpads and have gotten very good > comment from those who have had claims.. > > the last i heard it was $350~ for the top thinkpads.. > (currently the 770ED and 770E) > for a 3 year policy.. > other, lower initial cost, thinkpads might have a different fee > schedule.. > > -- > Happy Trails... :-) > ** Bill Morrow ** > WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 13:31:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25830 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28368; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:30:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28272; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28260; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA01116; Wed, 29 Jul 98 13:30:10 EDT Message-Id: <35BF5C28.C5370629@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:30:16 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bayles Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux Addendum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ray Bayles wrote: > The Thinkpad Issue may change as IBM now has several > apps awaiting a final decision on the marketplace. > If IBM pushes Linux, which seems likely, we will see > many changes in Linux for Thinkpads. Well, it would be nice if IBM would install a BIOS that would suspend/resume with Linux for the TP600 and TP770E/ED. 3 months now and no suspend/resume on my TP600. It always worked fine on my past machines (760C, 760E, 770). --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 15:04:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27436 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03967; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:01:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03781; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (root@netcom18.netcom.com [192.100.81.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03764; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA22830 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199807291654.JAA22830@netcom18.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: slow linux on tp 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I can't believe that that 4x speed difference is caused by anything but some kind of configuration error. Other Linux measurements indicate that the PPro/PII has about a 1.5x speed advantage over a Pentium/PMMX at the same clock speed, i.e. a 200 mhz PPRo should run about like a 300 mhz Pentium. The L2 cache should add only 10-15%, especially since 64M is being cached regardless. If the PPro system is using a fast SCSI disk with a bus mastering PCI host adapter, that's likely to make a lot more difference than the cpu/memory system for kernel compiles. But it still shouldn't explain 4x. Are you compiling the same kernel on both systems? Do you have the power management stuff turned off on the 560? I think it's worth spending some time figuring out what's wrong. I believe my compiles are 10-15 minutes on a Pentium (not even MMX) 120 mhz with EDO ram. I recently got a 770 (PMMX/233) and will try to do some timings soon. I hope I didn't make a big mistake by not getting a PII model... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 15:13:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27643 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04837; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:11:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04571; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.la.tis.com (relay.la.tis.com [198.51.22.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04541; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay.la.tis.com; id MAA06212; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scintillate.la.tis.com(192.5.49.8) by relay.la.tis.com via smap (3.2) id xma006202; Wed, 29 Jul 98 12:31:20 -0700 Received: from tis.com (sweet.la.tis.com [192.5.49.171]) by scintillate.la.tis.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25413 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35BF7213.FC021408@tis.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:03:47 -0700 From: Roger Knobbe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: list archive somewhere Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is anybody archiving this list somewhere? There was a discussion of hot-docking CDROM's on 760's a coupla weeks ago that suddenly became importand; but not until after I had purged all my old messages. thanks. rog. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jul 29 17:29:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29476 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11246; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:28:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11145; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom5.netcom.com (genepool@netcom5.netcom.com [192.100.81.113]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11130; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA27222; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: Linux Addendum To: I Lee Hetherington cc: Ray Bayles , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35BF5C28.C5370629@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu So who's in charge of marketing for Thinkpads at IBM? Cheers, Jim On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > Ray Bayles wrote: > > > If IBM pushes Linux, which seems likely, we will see > > many changes in Linux for Thinkpads. > > Well, it would be nice if IBM would install a BIOS that would > suspend/resume with Linux for the TP600 and TP770E/ED. 3 months now and > no suspend/resume on my TP600. It always worked fine on my past > machines (760C, 760E, 770). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 02:23:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06943 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29217; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:21:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29060; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29040; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (254.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.254]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA04755; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C0119E.2A969A6F@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:24:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Michael CC: I Lee Hetherington , Ray Bayles , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux Addendum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jim.. the same bios is used on the 770 and 770E series.. uhh... where can i get a copy of red hat linux..?? Jim Michael wrote: > So who's in charge of marketing for Thinkpads at IBM? > > Cheers, > > Jim > > On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > > > Ray Bayles wrote: > > > > > If IBM pushes Linux, which seems likely, we will see > > > many changes in Linux for Thinkpads. > > > > Well, it would be nice if IBM would install a BIOS that would > > suspend/resume with Linux for the TP600 and TP770E/ED. 3 months now and > > no suspend/resume on my TP600. It always worked fine on my past > > machines (760C, 760E, 770). -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 02:27:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06967 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29488; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:25:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29333; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29321; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA02622; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:25:34 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Bill Morrow cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux Addendum In-Reply-To: <35C0119E.2A969A6F@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > uhh... where can i get a copy of red hat linux..?? One source is www.lsl.com for the $1.95 package without the manual or $24.95 with the manual... lots of other useful info at decent prices at this site. Ray From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 02:28:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06991 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29646; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:27:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29497; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29452; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (254.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.254]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA24442; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C012C1.760B5A14@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:29:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roger Knobbe CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: list archive somewhere References: <35BF7213.FC021408@tis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Roger.. in keeping with my inability to throw ANYTHING out, i probably have whatever it is you want.. gimme some key words or wuthor names and i'll do a search.. but i must warn you that i just did a search using 'hot' and 'dock' and came up empty.. Roger Knobbe wrote: > Is anybody archiving this list somewhere? There was a discussion of > hot-docking CDROM's on 760's a coupla weeks ago that suddenly became > importand; but not until after I had purged all my old messages. > > thanks. > rog. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 02:29:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07010 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29804; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:28:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29724; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29692; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA02658 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:28:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad Repair Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 760XL has crashed... get an error message 58 0301 and 11 0301.... and it won't start up... think it is a keyboard as system board, hdd, fd1, memory and all other tests are ok. Need recommendations for a good repair center. Thanks! Ray Bayles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 02:32:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07022 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00103; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:30:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29886; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29857; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (254.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.254]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA07577; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C013A4.377E94CD@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:33:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: szivos@ibm.net CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: RC Knox Insurance for thinkpads References: <35BF4562.270AE9F@icanect.net> <35BF4932.3C2C2BEA@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Geza.. i read the brochure and it states it is underwritten by firemans fund.. so, find a canaduian insurance agent.. perhaps here is a business opportunity for you.. :-) Geza Szivos wrote: > Too bad that it is offered only in the US, and not in Canada > > Geza > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > At the request of a list member, i post the following... > > > > Within the docs for every thinkpad i have ever purchased, is a blue > > brochure for: > > R. C. Knox & Company > > 800-619-0083 > > > > they write all risk insurance on thinkpads and have gotten very good > > comment from those who have had claims.. > > > > the last i heard it was $350~ for the top thinkpads.. > > (currently the 770ED and 770E) > > for a 3 year policy.. > > other, lower initial cost, thinkpads might have a different fee > > schedule.. > > > > -- > > Happy Trails... :-) > > ** Bill Morrow ** > > WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > > DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > > 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > > Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 02:38:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07112 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00627; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:37:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00519; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00507; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (254.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.254]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA06853; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C01535.364511FE@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:39:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bayles CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Repair References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ray.. did you check out the keyboard in easy setup..?? it is reached by ctrl-A then ctrl-K.. 301 is a keyboard error (and more).. keyboards are $50 and not difficult to change.. is your machine NOT under warranty still.. it IS a 3year warranty machine.. easy serve will service it for a fee if no warranty left.. Ray Bayles wrote: > My 760XL has crashed... get an error message 58 0301 > and 11 0301.... and it won't start up... think it is > a keyboard as system board, hdd, fd1, memory and all > other tests are ok. > > Need recommendations for a good repair center. > Thanks! > > Ray Bayles -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 08:13:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10117 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14548; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:09:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14353; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (root@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14335; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id DAA08794; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 03:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 03:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: Linux Addendum To: Bill Morrow cc: I Lee Hetherington , Ray Bayles , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35C0119E.2A969A6F@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > uhh... where can i get a copy of red hat linux..?? The best price for the official version (inc. a printed manual) is Linux Mall http://www.linuxmall.com/ @ ca. $30. For unofficial version see http://www.cheapbytes.com @ ca. $2 + s&h. HTH. Cheers, Jim > > Jim Michael wrote: > > > So who's in charge of marketing for Thinkpads at IBM? > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 09:32:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11178 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16978; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:30:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16863; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16850; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.181]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA11308; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807301328.GAA11308@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ray Bayles" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 06:28:47 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad Repair Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:28:21 -0600 (MDT), Ray Bayles wrote: > >My 760XL has crashed... get an error message 58 0301 >and 11 0301.... and it won't start up... think it is >a keyboard as system board, hdd, fd1, memory and all >other tests are ok. > Correct, they are keyboard errors, meaning that two keys are being pressed down that shouldn't be. I suppose you could Easy Serve it. I know that Radio Shack has some kind of repair option, but I called once, and they sounded misleading. You might also try some bigger electronics chains like Circuit City. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 09:37:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11221 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17350; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:33:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17196; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17177; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.181]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA12101; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807301331.GAA12101@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Roger Knobbe" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 06:31:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: list archive somewhere Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:29:21 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Roger.. >in keeping with my inability to throw ANYTHING out, i probably have >whatever it is you want.. > >gimme some key words or wuthor names and i'll do a search.. > >but i must warn you that i just did a search using 'hot' and 'dock' and >came up empty.. If anyone would like, I can do the same. I probably have about 3K-5K files archived. The volume label in drive C is 71670AP. The Volume Serial Number is 2702:AC15. Directory of C:\pmmail\pmmail\pkhour2.act\inbox.fld\thinkp0.fld 12-20-97 10:44p 583023 0 thinkpad_archive1.zip 1-22-98 6:14p 652295 0 thinkpad_archive2.zip 3-07-98 8:56p 598925 0 thinkpad_archive3.zip 4-11-98 2:14p 548184 0 thinkpad_archive4.zip 5-07-98 10:28p 625867 0 thinkpad_archive5.zip 6-04-98 12:49p 670775 0 thinkpad_archive6.zip 6-25-98 11:17p 592094 0 thinkpad_archive7.zip 7-12-98 10:15a 440958 0 thinkpad_archive8.zip 8 file(s) 4712121 bytes used 80412672 bytes free This is my listing, and figure about 300-500+ files in each archive. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 09:39:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11285 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17571; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:35:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17353; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17298; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.181]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA12426; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807301332.GAA12426@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Ray Bayles" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 06:32:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad Repair Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >easy serve will service it for a fee if no warranty left.. > Which I believe is $170 labor, not including parts costs. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 09:42:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11322 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17938; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:38:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17791; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17765; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.181]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA13196; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807301335.GAA13196@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Jim Michael" Cc: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Ray Bayles" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 06:35:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux Addendum Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:24:30 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Jim.. >the same bios is used on the 770 and 770E series.. > >uhh... where can i get a copy of red hat linux..?? Any FTP mirror, unless you prefer to order a CD (usually, a Linux CD-ROM house is really cheap, with books, figure about $50). In fact, I just DLed Debian 1.0.34 (I think), last night, only 9 days old, and am installing it on my ThinkPad 300 (which might be upgraded to a TFT LCD!). Does anyone else here have a TP300, or is it just me? What about Debian on an OLDER ThinkPad? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 09:48:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11377 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18418; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:44:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18324; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18307; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.181]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA15046; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807301342.GAA15046@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Patrick West" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 06:42:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPall] Memory again - some reflections, discoveries (very long - sorry!) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Patrick West wrote: >On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, David Ross wrote: >> (6) Anyone in the mainland US willing to risk non-branded memory and >> looking for a real deal, Insight has a 32 meg chip for the 560 >> (380, etc) for only $39; search under "Commodity memory"! > >Any chance that will work on a 360? > Probably not; the 355, 360, and maybe the 750 use IC DRAM cards (looks similiar to PCMCIA cards). And the 755 uses the same, but with parity memory (my favorite). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 09:49:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11398 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18706; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:45:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18498; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18435; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.181]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA15353; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807301344.GAA15353@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Stephen A. Carter" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 06:44:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701C] No C-A-D with Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I've seen this happen on two different 701C machines running Warp 4.0, >but never with Warp 3 or 3.1 (the Japanese "refresh") or with PC-DOS >J7.0V. As I said, it's no big deal, but if anyone out there has a >simple solution I'd be grateful. Do you have a US version of the 701, or a Japanese version? I have Warp 4 on my 701, and never had this problem. I did have a problem of pressing C-A-D on my original Pentium MB, and it would lock up, but that's about it. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 09:56:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11514 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18975; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:47:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18805; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18785; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.181]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA15970; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807301346.GAA15970@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Roger Knobbe" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 06:46:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: list archive somewhere Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:03:47 -0700, Roger Knobbe wrote: >Is anybody archiving this list somewhere? There was a discussion of >hot-docking CDROM's on 760's a coupla weeks ago that suddenly became >importand; but not until after I had purged all my old messages. Let me check, and report back to you. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 10:31:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12002 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22113; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:26:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21968; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smh-mail.smh.com (smh-mail.smh.com [204.5.150.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21921; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:26:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ccMail by smh-mail.smh.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00047EA6; Thu, 30 Jul 98 10:18:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:25:53 -0400 Message-ID: <00047EA6.CE21223@smh.com> Subject: TP 600 Active matrix To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings Fellow Thinkpadders, Got my PII266 600 in the mail yesterday and it is quite impressive! The screen is awesome: much brighter than my old 701c. No dead pixels either (I think). On battery I do notice a little flicker to the screen when the system is accessing the HD and CD. Is this normal? Regards, Neil Halvey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 12:04:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13612 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27271; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:01:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27125; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (genepool@netcom13.netcom.com [192.100.81.125]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27101; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA14875; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: 365XD bad screen To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu We have a 365XD with a bad screen (stays white on bootup) which the local repair place wants $1100 to fix (ouch, not worth it). It is about 3 mos. out of warranty. Is it possible to troubleshoot and repair myself for much less? Cheers, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 13:13:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14864 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01946; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:10:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01730; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.qsl.com (gate.qsl.com [205.205.106.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01717; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gate.qsl.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id NAA28301; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:26:13 -0400 Received: from alr.qsl.com(10.10.10.2) by gate via smap (3.1) id xma028295; Thu, 30 Jul 98 13:25:55 -0400 Received: from DANNY by alr.qsl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id PYNQ1102; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:06:52 -0400 Message-ID: <35C0A953.4A1EF447@qsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:11:47 -0400 From: Danny Corriveau X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: TP 600: mouse third button in DOS...HELP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a TP 600 and a logitech mouse (PS/2 connector), in win95 I have no problem but in DOS I want to use the logitech driver because I need the third button (cool in Quake!!!) but when i try to load the mouse.com I got a error message that say "you already have a mouse driver install" or something like that. I want to remove this mouse driver but i don't know how. And yes, if i don't load mouse.com from logitech the is working but I can't use the third button. If anyone could help me with that it will be really appreciate. Thanks -- Dan Resistance is futile, Assimilation is near. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 13:15:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14909 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27916; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:10:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27737; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb1.mailbank.com (mb1.mailbank.com [204.244.193.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27725; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs430158-a.cghy1.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.58.142] (HELO thinkpad) by mb1.mailbank.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0H/2.0H BL25H listener) id 0000_0099_35c0_9ab0_11f6; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <004701bdbbd4$70eec900$0200005a@thinkpad.Moorgate> From: "David S. Crombie" To: "Jim Michael" Cc: Subject: Re: 365XD bad screen Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:09:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Funny - well, not really funny, but my 365XD did the same thing last month. I took it in to a repair shop and they told me it was the video cable/connections. IBM wouldn't sell them the cable - they had to buy the whole screen for $1500CDN. I said yah right and am now using it on an external monitor. I have a friend that fixes monitors and he is going to look at it but I'm not betting on it. Let me know if you find a fix... ____________________ David Crombie david@crombie.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Michael To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 10:04 AM Subject: 365XD bad screen > >We have a 365XD with a bad screen (stays white on bootup) which the local >repair place wants $1100 to fix (ouch, not worth it). It is about 3 mos. >out of warranty. Is it possible to troubleshoot and repair myself for >much less? > >Cheers, > >Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 13:38:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15244 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04280; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:37:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04168; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [166.84.1.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04156; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix3.panix.com (n5iahcpvj+hcv038spi1pvgW9+TPFVWn@panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.68]) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.8.8/PanixU1.4) with SMTP id NAA08263; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807301737.NAA08263@panix4.panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: askibm@vnet.ibm.com Subject: TP600: external floppy fails under Win95 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:37:09 -0400 From: Mark Bergman Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got a TP600 (low-end 233MMX). I got the internal IBM CD-ROM, and it works fine, however the floppy disk does not work when used externally under Win95. The floppy works fine in the bay, or externally (with the CD-ROM in the bay) under Linux, so I'm confident that it's not a hardware problem. The floppy drive has never worked externally under Win95--including with the machine's default configuration. This is more aggravating that critically important, as I do most of my work under Linux. Any suggestions? ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Unix mechanic 718-855-9148 bergman@panix.com {cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 13:50:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15420 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04856; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:43:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04741; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nova.kettering.edu (nguy5266@nova.kettering.edu [192.138.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04711; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (nguy5266@localhost) by nova.kettering.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA02928 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Tho N Nguyen To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: fastcfg Message-ID: Organization: Kettering University (formerly GMI E&MI) - Flint MI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Where can I find the dos fastcfg program for the thinkpad 760c? Tho Nguyen From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 17:07:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18882 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14382; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:04:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14289; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14276; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-004-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.100]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22191; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35C0DFE0.590C1289@cia-g.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:04:32 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Canyonland Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Michael CC: Bill Morrow , I Lee Hetherington , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux Addendum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I found the best price at www.lsl.com at $24.95 for software, manual, box, etc. Ray Bayles Jim Michael wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > uhh... where can i get a copy of red hat linux..?? > > The best price for the official version (inc. a printed manual) is Linux > Mall http://www.linuxmall.com/ @ ca. $30. For unofficial version see > http://www.cheapbytes.com @ ca. $2 + s&h. HTH. > > Cheers, > > Jim > > > > > Jim Michael wrote: > > > > > So who's in charge of marketing for Thinkpads at IBM? > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 18:51:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20757 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18885; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:49:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18589; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18535; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8486 invoked by uid 66); 30 Jul 1998 22:48:54 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 22:30 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Linux Addendum To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jim Michael (genepool@netcom.com) wrote: > So who's in charge of marketing for Thinkpads at IBM? IBM Personal Computer Company. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 18:51:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20764 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18865; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:49:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18563; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18534; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8480 invoked by uid 66); 30 Jul 1998 22:48:53 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 22:24 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Linux Addendum To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ray Bayles (kglp@cia-g.com) wrote: > If IBM pushes Linux, which seems likely, we will see > many changes in Linux for Thinkpads. At this time it is entirely unlikely that IBM will ever support Linux. Believe me. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 19:08:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21055 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19612; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:06:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19509; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.aha.ru (relay1.aha.ru [195.2.83.105]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19497; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postman.ru (koi.postman.ru [195.2.83.108]) by relay1.aha.ru (8.9.1/aha-r/0.04B) with ESMTP id DAA27852 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:06:31 +0400 (MSD) Received: by postman.ru id DAA02087; (8.8.8/vak/1.9) Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:06:14 +0400 (MSD) Received: from p64.n77.dip.aha.ru(195.2.77.64) by koi.postman.ru via smap (V1.3) id sma002044; Fri Jul 31 03:05:52 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:06:32 +0300 From: Serge RF X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.00 Christmas Preview) Registered to Serge NN Reply-To: Serge RF Priority: Normal Message-ID: <8962.980730@postman.ru> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Q]:TP770/600/560 PCMCIA boot option Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello All, I am trying to use PCMCIA boot option in order to restore a previously saved set of Windows'95 installation and configuration options. This helps me to recover after regular Windows crashes or other unwanted configuration conditions, e.g. installing too many beta and demo software programs. On my DEC HiNote Ultra 2000 233/266 MHz it is possible to boot up only >from few certain flash ATA cards or PCMCIA hard disks, while many other types of drives hardware cause the system to halt immediately after recognized by BIOS on startup OR cannot be recognized by BIOS on startup (I recieve "PCMCIA bootable card not found" message). These can be recognized only by Windows'95 after its complete loading. Next, I can successfully boot DOS. But Windows'95 shell can be started in SAFE MODE only and freezes when I specify NORMAL mode. I could not get any useful comments from DEC technical support. Now I am trying to do the same things with ThinkPad. On ThinkPad 560X DOS starts all right, for example, when I use a 10 MB SanDisk flash ATA card. At the same time ThinkPad-770 and ThinkPad-600 models do not recognize flash ATA cards or PCMCIA hard disks on boot-up, no matter that I specify PCMCIA as primary boot-up device in BIOS setup. These PCMCIA devices are recognized only by Windows'95 after complete shell loading. So what could you possibly recommend to me here? Unfortunately I do not have a ThinkPad 560X near at hand. So I have to experiment with 770 and 600 models. Are they really so different from 560? Anyway, why does the "start booting from PCMCIA" BIOS option not work? I would appreciate your assistance and am looking forward to receiving replies. Serge From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 19:18:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21252 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20235; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:17:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20105; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20092; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01673 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA03036; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:16:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Portland, Or. USA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, I just saw 3 tpad batteries at the Portland, Or. S.E. Grand Ave. Branch of the Goodwill $4.99 each fpu p/n 29h9232 asm p/n 29h9032 Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 19:36:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21577 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21033; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:34:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20890; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thanatos.clara.net (qmailr@thanatos.clara.net [195.8.69.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20878; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22945 invoked from network); 30 Jul 1998 23:34:44 -0000 Received: from du-835.claranet.co.uk (195.8.76.37) by mail.clara.net with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 23:34:44 -0000 From: nickdixon@bigfoot.com (Nick Dixon) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 380XD problem Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:34:27 GMT Message-ID: <35c3020e.1042066@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi there, My 3 week old 380XD has been doing something kinda strange. Whenever I come out of suspend mode and click the start button, the sound ("menu pop-up") starts and will not stop!! It's the clicking noise in the Windows utopia sounds. It just repeats itself continuously... until I reboot the computer. Does anyone know why this may be happening?=20 I'd really appreciate any help here! Thanks, Nick -- News, interviews, test session reports and GP updates! THE DAILY DAMON - http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net Damon Hill... Formula One World Champion! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 20:04:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21955 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22279; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:03:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22130; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prioritysolutions.com (prioritysolutions.com [206.155.246.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22101; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mycroft (206.155.246.162 [206.155.246.162]) by prioritysolutions.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id P49J5FSY; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:06:45 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Security cables Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:59:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bdbc16$0cb2f8c0$0101c0a8@mycroft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi ya'll! I've been considering the purchase of a security cable for my ThinkPad 701CS. The only type I can find locally locks into the floppy drive. Somehow, I don't believe that would prove to be much of a deterrent to theft of my butterfly. I know that the user's manual recommends a Kennsington cable, but those don't seem to available locally. Or should that read "any more?" Any hints? Mail-order vendor recommendations? Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robtking@prioritysolutions.com http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 20:48:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22493 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23434; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:47:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23312; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp02.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23299; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-162.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-162.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.162]) by smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id JAA03063; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:47:18 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Paul Khoury" , "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: Re: [TP701C] No C-A-D with Warp 4 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:37:40 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199807301344.GAA15353@ritchie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199807301344.GAA15353@ritchie.loop.com> Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In article <199807301344.GAA15353@ritchie.loop.com>, Paul Khoury wrote: >Do you have a US version of the 701, or a Japanese version? > >I have Warp 4 on my 701, and never had this problem. Thanks for the response. I'm running the English version of OS/2 Warp 4.0 (no fixpaks) on two Japanese 701C machines (2630-7TM and 2630-7Tx [that one's at home now]). -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 20:50:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22507 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23691; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:48:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23452; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23432; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-25 #9830) id <01J00PDXG9WG95NEAU@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:48:32 MST Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:40:43 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Security cables In-reply-to: "Message dated Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:59:12 -0500" <000201bdbc16$0cb2f8c0$0101c0a8@mycroft> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01J00QO92NPE95NEAU@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I know that the user's manual recommends a Kennsington > cable, but those don't seem to available locally. Or should that read "any > more?" Try www.kensington.com/products/security/micro.html to see it and there'll be a where to buy it button at the top of the page. I've been using one for about three years - it makes me more comfortable when I go to lunch... Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 21:35:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA23241 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25204; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:34:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25064; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25045; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p41.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.175]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA22417 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807310133.SAA22417@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 18:33:33 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad memory Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know where I can get memory for my ThinkPad 300? I'm having trouble running Linux with only 4MB of RAM. :( Thanks, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 23:57:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25501 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28637; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:55:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28493; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28481; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p45-m8-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p45-m8-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [202.27.183.237]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id ra289527 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:55:07 -0400 Message-ID: <016801bdbc37$92441340$2fb71bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: TP600: external floppy fails under Win95 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:59:02 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mark, Do you have the floppy plugged in before you switch on the machine?? With the 770 you have to do this (I think the 600's are the same), this is done so that you can hot swap the floppy into the ultra bay. Reagrds, Andreas!! :-) > >I've got a TP600 (low-end 233MMX). I got the internal IBM CD-ROM, and >it works fine, however the floppy disk does not work when used >externally under Win95. The floppy works fine in the bay, or externally >(with the CD-ROM in the bay) under Linux, so I'm confident that it's >not a hardware problem. > >The floppy drive has never worked externally under Win95--including >with the machine's default configuration. This is more aggravating >that critically important, as I do most of my work under Linux. > >Any suggestions? > >---- >Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Unix mechanic >718-855-9148 bergman@panix.com {cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 30 23:59:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25581 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28961; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:57:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28793; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28733; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-145.usc.edu [128.125.223.145]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA18283 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807310357.UAA18283@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:56:05 -0700 To: TP List From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: TP600: external floppy fails under Win95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:37 PM 7/30/98 -0400, you wrote: > >I've got a TP600 (low-end 233MMX). I got the internal IBM CD-ROM, and >it works fine, however the floppy disk does not work when used >externally under Win95. The floppy works fine in the bay, or externally >(with the CD-ROM in the bay) under Linux, so I'm confident that it's >not a hardware problem. > >The floppy drive has never worked externally under Win95--including >with the machine's default configuration. This is more aggravating >that critically important, as I do most of my work under Linux. > >Any suggestions? I'm going from memory, but as I recall, the floppy actually defaults to being an internal device and doesn't recognize being an external one unless the machine *boots* with the floppy connected externally (or if the CD is in the internal bay). There is a PS2 command you can issue that will default the system to looking at the external connection port first...and it will stay that way until you use the floppy as an internal device again. The command is: PS2 FDD E (means "Floppy Drive External"). Should solve your problem. --- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Property is prior to law; the sole function of the law is to safeguard the right to property wherever it exists, wherever it is formed, in whatever manner the worker produces it, whether individually or in association, provided that he respects the rights of others. " -- Frederic Bastiat From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 00:23:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25834 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29983; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:22:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29895; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29883; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:22:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from Rous56@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CIPKa19317 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <812eca3e.35c14645@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:21:24 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 701 floppy cable Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I got a great deal on a TP701, without a floppy or cable. Win95 has problems, I suspect due to the early '95 bios on the machine. The bios update from IBM comes as a bootable floppy disk, so without a floppy drive, what can I do ? Does any one have any of the following: a floppy cable with or without the drive, a wiring schematic for said cable (in case I can find the connectors), or an idea how to do the bios flash without the floppy ? Thanks, thinkpadders. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 00:50:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26189 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00968; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:49:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00892; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00879; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04243; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:49:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Rous56@aol.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 floppy cable In-Reply-To: <812eca3e.35c14645@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Why not download it... ? > or an idea how to do the bios flash without the floppy ? Thanks, From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 04:55:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA03249 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07143; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:53:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06987; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06975; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA23392 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807310850.BAA23392@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 31 Jul 98 02:07:22 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP 365XD HD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again, I just got done last night installing boot manager, OS/2 Warp 4.0, and Windows 95 OSR2 on my laptop. Got it all configured the way I wanted it and all (note warp,win95 and boot manager are all in primarys). Today I turn it on and once again (this has happened more than once before), it gets past the memory check and just sits there. You can boot off a floppy, but thats it. So this time I powered down and back up and pressed F1 and got into the setup screen. Did a full system test. The harddrive didn't get an okay. Could someone out there please tell me the bad news of what this means: DEV 017 ERR 23 FRU 6010 Help! Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 06:06:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA05758 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13562; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:04:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13346; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13334; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (moab.demon.co.uk) [158.152.127.170] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2C2T-0002UR-00; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:03:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:24:46 +0100 To: Serge RF Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: [Q]:TP770/600/560 PCMCIA boot option In-Reply-To: <8962.980730@postman.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In message <8962.980730@postman.ru>, Serge RF writes >I am trying to use PCMCIA boot option in order to restore >a previously saved set of Windows'95 installation and configuration options. >This helps me to recover after regular Windows crashes or other unwanted >configuration conditions, e.g. installing too many beta and demo >software programs. > snip > >So what could you possibly recommend to me here? > snip I have set this up to be able to restore a Win95 installation on my 770 backed up with DriveImage to a 1Gb Jaz. I boot off the floppy to a DOS prompt loading trackpoint (mouse), CD-ROM, SCSI PCMCIA and Jaz drivers. I then expect to be able to restore the relevant partition(s) from the Jaz. I haven't tried the restore yet but all the drivers load and I can run DriveImage and do the backup. -- Greg Terrell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 06:26:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA06439 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14215; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:24:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13981; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13963; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA04560; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:23:51 -1000 Message-ID: <001201bdbc6d$7d4d0a60$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: 701 floppy cable Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:25:05 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Does any one have any of the following: a floppy cable with or without the >drive, Good aftermarket sources for cheap miscellaneous thinkpad parts are www.consumerdepot.com www.usapc.com/ www.ambry.com/html/ibm_pricing.html David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 06:34:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA06735 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14565; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:33:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14406; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14394; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:32:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <199807311032.GAA14394@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:34:17 -0400 To: Rous56@aol.com, kglp@cia-g.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 701 floppy cable Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:16:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It matters not how you obtain the update because ultimately to upgrade bios the box has to be booted from a floppy. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: 701 floppy cable Author: Ray Bayles [SMTP:kglp@cia-g.com] at Jax-Exchange Date: 7/31/98 12:49 AM Why not download it... ? > or an idea how to do the bios flash without the floppy ? Thanks, From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 10:17:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16242 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20358; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:15:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20226; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [166.84.1.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20204; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix3.panix.com (UlFmr2v+6BTMEaBbCrZj1/vHYf+OQ0bz@panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.68]) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.8.8/PanixU1.4) with SMTP id KAA13879; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807311415.KAA13879@panix4.panix.com> To: Randy Whittle cc: TP List , askibm@vnet.ibm.com Subject: Re: TP600: external floppy fails under Win95 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:56:05 PDT." <199807310357.UAA18283@almaak.usc.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:15:15 -0400 From: Mark Bergman Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In your message dated: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:56:05 PDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => At 01:37 PM 7/30/98 -0400, you wrote: => > => >I've got a TP600 (low-end 233MMX). I got the internal IBM CD-ROM, and => >it works fine, however the floppy disk does not work when used => >externally under Win95. The floppy works fine in the bay, or externally => >(with the CD-ROM in the bay) under Linux, so I'm confident that it's => >not a hardware problem. => > => >The floppy drive has never worked externally under Win95--including => >with the machine's default configuration. This is more aggravating => >that critically important, as I do most of my work under Linux. => > => >Any suggestions? => => I'm going from memory, but as I recall, the floppy actually defaults to => being an internal device and doesn't recognize being an external one unless => the machine *boots* with the floppy connected externally (or if the CD is => in the internal bay). I've booted with the floppy in the external bay, and the CD-ROM in the Ultrabay. The floppy spins briefly during POST, but Win95 cannot access floppy disks--just the CD-ROM. If I boot into Linux with the same configuration, I can access both the floppy and CD-ROM. => => There is a PS2 command you can issue that will default the system to => looking at the external connection port first...and it will stay that way => until you use the floppy as an internal device again. The command is: => => PS2 FDD E (means "Floppy Drive External"). => => Should solve your problem. => I'll try that, thanks. ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Unix mechanic 718-855-9148 bergman@panix.com {cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 10:28:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16624 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20929; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:27:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20844; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20832; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01405; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:26:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from RCC05052 ([166.35.168.150]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980731142617.QMQJ11077@[166.35.168.150]>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:26:17 -0400 Message-ID: <35C1D406.1564@cyberramp.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:26:14 -0500 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Dixon CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 380XD problem References: <35c3020e.1042066@mail.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, The times I've had this happen its always been a resource conflict with the sound card. Usually an irq. Jim McGhee Nick Dixon wrote: > > Hi there, > > My 3 week old 380XD has been doing something kinda strange. Whenever I > come out of suspend mode and click the start button, the sound ("menu > pop-up") starts and will not stop!! It's the clicking noise in the > Windows utopia sounds. > > It just repeats itself continuously... until I reboot the computer. > > Does anyone know why this may be happening? > > I'd really appreciate any help here! > > Thanks, > > Nick > -- > News, interviews, test session reports and GP updates! > THE DAILY DAMON - http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net > Damon Hill... Formula One World Champion! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 11:06:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18176 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22469; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:05:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22337; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx (cortes.cibnor.mx [200.23.161.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22325; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx by cortes.cibnor.mx id aa20627; 31 Jul 98 9:03 MDT Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:03:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Larry Miller To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Writeable bios In-Reply-To: <199807311032.GAA14394@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > It matters not how you obtain the update because ultimately to upgrade > bios the box has to be booted from a floppy. Speaking of upgrading bios, has anybody heard of the (July26?) virus floating around which infects writeable BIOS? I just got a 385XD and the idea of getting into a virus infection situation in which I cannot do field recovery by a reformat/re-install is a bit disquieting. Is there any hardware protection on the thinkpad line to disable writing to the BIOS? Saludos-- Larry Larry Miller Administrador de Redes / Network Administrator Centro de Investigaciones Biologicas del Noroeste, La Paz, BCS Mexico lmiller@cibnor.mx http://www.cibnor.mx/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 16:18:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24001 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04602; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:15:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04450; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hercules.globalpac.com (edward.globalpac.com [206.170.230.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04420; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from macropc.com ([207.217.245.77]) by hercules.globalpac.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 9-31337L) with ESMTP id AAA113 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:00:48 -0700 Message-ID: <35C1E988.94715F83@macropc.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:58:00 -0700 From: "Macro Tech, Inc." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: REMOVE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I didn't understand the scope of this "newsletter". Please remove "sales@macropc.com" from the subscription list. Thank you and I apologize for the inconvenience. Dennis Schroeder Macro Tech From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 17:15:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24941 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07818; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:13:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07712; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx (cortes.cibnor.mx [200.23.161.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07700; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx by cortes.cibnor.mx id aa24988; 31 Jul 98 13:02 MDT Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:02:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Larry Miller To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Writeable bios In-Reply-To: <001901bdbcb1$2a9ff040$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, David Ross wrote: > This seems to have been very overhyped. Maybe because of the possible consequences. As I said, I don't mind re-installing from backups. I DO mind having to send the machine off to get the BIOS replaced. :-\ > In any event, IBM Antivirus has been able to detect and correct this virus for several months (everyone out there *has* been updating their IBM AV signature files, right?) Uhhh... this is a silly question, but where does one get the IBM Antivirus? :-o Should I be looking for it on my stock install 385XD? > ross@math.hawaii.edu Say, off topic, do you know Fred Metcalf, from math.ucr.edu? Think his son is over there at hawaii.edu. Saludos-- Larry Larry Miller Administrador de Redes / Network Administrator Centro de Investigaciones Biologicas del Noroeste, La Paz, BCS Mexico lmiller@cibnor.mx http://www.cibnor.mx/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 18:26:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26101 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10783; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:24:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10670; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10657; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA06089; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:24:35 -1000 Message-ID: <000b01bdbcd2$2c87e720$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Larry Miller" , Subject: Re: Writeable bios Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:25:48 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: >> This seems to have been very overhyped. Larry Miller wrote: >Maybe because of the possible consequences. I meant overhyped relative to the ubiquity and possible danger; see http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,24801,00.html >Uhhh... this is a silly question, but where does one get the IBM >Antivirus? :-o Should I be looking for it on my stock install 385XD? I honestly don't know if IBM still installs this on their machines. It came with my 701 and with my 560. Look under start/thinkpad tools. >Say, off topic, do you know Fred Metcalf, from math.ucr.edu? Think his >son is over there at hawaii.edu. I don't know either Metcalf. There is a Metcalf Street I drive on almost every day by the University. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 18:48:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26471 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12088; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:47:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11968; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx (cortes.cibnor.mx [200.23.161.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11951; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx by cortes.cibnor.mx id aa02364; 31 Jul 98 16:46 MDT Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:46:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Larry Miller To: David Ross cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Writeable bios In-Reply-To: <000b01bdbcd2$2c87e720$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Uhhh... this is a silly question, but where does one get the IBM > >Antivirus? :-o Should I be looking for it on my stock install 385XD? > I honestly don't know if IBM still installs this on their machines. It came with my 701 and with my 560. Look under start/thinkpad > tools. Don't see it on my (month-old) system. Thanks-- Larry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 31 22:08:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29642 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17072; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:06:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16967; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16954; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pritzr (ts9port29.port.net [207.38.252.29]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA05936 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808010205.WAA05936@amsterdam.interport.net> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.interport.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.37 (Beta) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:05:13 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: pcmcia nic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone know where I can find a decent, inexpensive 10BaseT pcmcia card? I believe others on this list have said they've bought these cards for around $30, but I can't find any near this price. Am I mis-remembering what people have said about pricing? Am I looking in the wrong places?