From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 1 17:39:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157080374; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:39:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09976; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:30:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09611; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09598; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:29:25 +0100 Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by falcon.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id XAA21971; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:29:23 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:29:23 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F.Hewlett" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dock I and Win95 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm trying to use the ISA slot in my Dock I (with a TP755) to host an old non-Plug&Play interface card. However, I can't persuade Win95 to allocate any interrupt resources to the device (so it can't even detect it...). Is there anything I need to do, to tell the DockI which interrupt on its ISA slot will be used? Thanks in advance, Angus. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 1 18:19:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA165262764; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:19:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11758; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:12:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11676; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAINE.maine.edu (SMTP2@maine.maine.edu [130.111.39.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11661; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from async10.ts-p-caps2.caps.maine.edu(130.111.130.195) by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 01 Apr 98 18:11:53 EST Message-Id: <3.0.5.16.19980401181142.238ff5d4@mail.caps.maine.edu> X-Sender: Kryder71@mail.caps.maine.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (16) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:11:42 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Kenneth F. Ryder III" Subject: [TP755] Debian Linux 1.3.1, what's supported , =?iso-8859-1?Q?what=92s?= not? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I am thinking of buying a referbished TP755CD, I want to use Debian Linux 1.3.1 on it, any problems / tricks I should know about? is $659 a good price for one? it comes w/ a docking station. this is the first time I have looked into laptops period, so I am some what green on the subject. Some one on the Debian mailing list suggested I join this list that you all would be very knowledgeable on the in's outs and all abouts of the TP... Thanks in advance for any advice / help... Ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 1 19:42:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA182997749; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:42:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02228; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:39:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02103; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02090; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12172; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:38:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980401163747.006bf9f8@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:37:47 -0800 To: "Kenneth F. Ryder III" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: [TP755] Debian Linux 1.3.1, what's supported , =?iso-8859-1?Q?what=92s?= not? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.16.19980401181142.238ff5d4@mail.caps.maine.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is it the P75 or the 486DX4? The sound card is an mwave soundcard, and a special little trick needs to be done to get sound support (only 8 bit). Forget using the internal modem (It's run of the mwave DSP also) just go and buy a PCMCIA modem. The screen size is 640x480, you can get 1152x864 (or something close to this) on an external monitor, or a virtual screen on the LCD. BTW you must use the XF86_SVGA server and it only supports the 755's videocard in 8bpp mode. I'm not sure if the price is good or not, I don't know what one of these things are worth nowadays. If the docking station is a Dock I, I go mine for like $50 from onsale a while back. -Mike At 06:11 PM 4/1/98, Kenneth F. Ryder III wrote: >Hi, > > I am thinking of buying a referbished TP755CD, I want to use Debian Linux >1.3.1 on it, any problems / tricks I should know about? is $659 a good >price for one? it comes w/ a docking station. this is the first time I >have looked into laptops period, so I am some what green on the subject. >Some one on the Debian mailing list suggested I join this list that you all >would be very knowledgeable on the in's outs and all abouts of the TP... > >Thanks in advance for any advice / help... > > Ken > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 1 22:03:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA210926237; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:03:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07734; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:59:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07501; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07469; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA28643; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:53:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury) Message-Id: <199804020253.SAA28643@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Kenneth F. Ryder III" , "Michael Fukatsu" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 18:59:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP755] Debian Linux 1.3.1, what's supported ,what s not? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:37:47 -0800, Michael Fukatsu wrote: >Is it the P75 or the 486DX4? > >The sound card is an mwave soundcard, and a special little trick needs to >be done to get sound support (only 8 bit). Forget using the internal modem >(It's run of the mwave DSP also) just go and buy a PCMCIA modem. > Now you can get 14.4 PCMCIA cards really cheap. You might be better off getting an external modem, however (because of the price difference). >The screen size is 640x480, you can get 1152x864 (or something close to >this) on an external monitor, or a virtual screen on the LCD. BTW you must >use the XF86_SVGA server and it only supports the 755's videocard in 8bpp >mode. > >I'm not sure if the price is good or not, I don't know what one of these >things are worth nowadays. If the docking station is a Dock I, I go mine >for like $50 from onsale a while back. > Oh yeah, is the LCD Active Matrix, or DSTN? If it's a TFT, then that's a good deal. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 23 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 20h 29m 32s 679ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 1 22:08:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA211626481; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:08:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07723; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:58:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07439; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07425; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA28541; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:51:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury) Message-Id: <199804020251.SAA28541@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Kenneth F. Ryder III" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 18:56:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP755] Debian Linux 1.3.1, what's supported ,what s not? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:11:42, Kenneth F. Ryder III wrote: >Hi, > > I am thinking of buying a referbished TP755CD, I want to use Debian Linux >1.3.1 on it, any problems / tricks I should know about? is $659 a good >price for one? it comes w/ a docking station. this is the first time I >have looked into laptops period, so I am some what green on the subject. >Some one on the Debian mailing list suggested I join this list that you all >would be very knowledgeable on the in's outs and all abouts of the TP... > That seems like a reasonable price. What are the specs of the machine? I don't remember if there is a dedicated server for the WD90C24 in the 755 series, but it should be covered under the SVGA server nevertheless. I ran Debian (forgot which version) on my 701, alongside OS/2 Warp 3 and had no problems (this was a while back). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 23 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 20h 27m 11s 265ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 1 23:12:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA228110322; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:12:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11168; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:09:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11040; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11027; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 760 ([12.68.135.77]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA21381; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:08:55 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "A.F.Hewlett" , Subject: Re: Dock I and Win95 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:07:13 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980402040852.AAA21381@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You probably need to change the jumpers on the card to some resources that are already open. ---------- > From: A.F.Hewlett > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Dock I and Win95 > Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 5:29 PM > > Hi, > > I'm trying to use the ISA slot in my Dock I (with a TP755) to host an old > non-Plug&Play interface card. However, I can't persuade Win95 to allocate > any interrupt resources to the device (so it can't even detect it...). > > Is there anything I need to do, to tell the DockI which interrupt on its > ISA slot will be used? > > Thanks in advance, > Angus. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 1 23:38:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA235411918; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:38:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13164; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:36:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13054; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13026; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:36:22 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from socrates ([206.96.182.72]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA12847 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:36:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199804020436.WAA12847@sh1.ro.com> X-Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.multimedia Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 22:29:07 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Video recording stopped working X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a ThinkPad 765D. It has some hardware to take TV video input, and I have configured OS/2's VideoIN program to work with it. Before I was forced to reinstall OS/2 (stupid mistake on my part), I could take still captures and record real time video. Now, I can only get stills. When I attempt to record video, I get an error that seems to say my recording setup has an invalid combination of settings. I've played with the settings quite a bit, and I can't find any that work. Does anyone know how to fix this? Does anyone have a working combination of settings? Thanks for the help! -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://xzalpha.ml.org/~jeffj OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup UAH-SEDS http://uah.seds.org Future author of: "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 1 23:40:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA235602004; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:40:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13368; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:39:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13269; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hopf.dnai.com (hopf.dnai.com [140.174.162.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13257; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from marc (dnai-207-181-237-150.dialup.dnai.com [207.181.237.150]) by hopf.dnai.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA27474 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:38:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980401203830.007aa430@disquiet.com> X-Sender: marc@disquiet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:38:30 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Marc Weidenbaum Subject: 701 <--> desktop In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I imagine this is an old subject for this board, but does anyone have any advice for inexpensive way to link a desktop and a thinkpad? I've heard that Win95 can do it over a serial cable, but I know little more than that. -Marc - - - Marc Weidenbaum http://www.disquiet.com marc@disquiet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 1 23:56:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA239812968; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:56:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15442; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:54:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15346; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15294; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA03912; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:48:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury) Message-Id: <199804020448.UAA03912@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Marc Weidenbaum" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 20:54:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 <--> desktop Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:38:30 -0800, Marc Weidenbaum wrote: >I imagine this is an old subject for this board, but does anyone have any >advice for inexpensive way to link a desktop and a thinkpad? I've heard >that Win95 can do it over a serial cable, but I know little more than that. > There are some programs for OS/2 and DOS/WinDOS that allow you to transfer files via the parallel cable. For OS/2, there's Linkright and Linkwiz. For WinDOS, there's Tranxit and Intersvr/interlnk, which comes with DOS 6.0 +. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 23 Processes with 90 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 22h 23m 10s 890ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 01:01:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA252116916; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:01:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18315; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:59:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18196; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18174; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA14530; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:06:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:06:52 -0500 (EST) From: Christian Carey To: Marc Weidenbaum Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 <--> desktop In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980401203830.007aa430@disquiet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wednesday, 1st April 1998, Marc Weidenbaum wrote: > I imagine this is an old subject for this board, but does anyone have any > advice for inexpensive way to link a desktop and a thinkpad? I've heard > that Win95 can do it over a serial cable, but I know little more than that. Which operating systems are on the desktop and the ThinkPad? -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 03:49:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281296991; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:49:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27537; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:42:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27376; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.pacifier.com (mail.pacifier.com [199.2.117.164]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27363; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from brucek@localhost) by mail.pacifier.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) id AAA08512; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:42:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804020842.AAA08512@mail.pacifier.com> To: ThinkPad Users Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 2.0) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:38:13 PST From: Bruce Kingsland Reply-To: Bruce Kingsland Subject: [TP360PE] Need OS/2 Pen/Digitizer driver Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OK, this is my first post, and the request from the welcome screen asked me to give a bio, which I will in a future note. However, for now, I have a request that I'd like to get rolling first: I recently got this 360PE with PC DOS 6.3 and MS Win31 with TP drivers installed. It has the Pen/Digitizer screen where you can write on the screen with a special pen and it will do on the spot OCR so you can "write" your reports, etc. It also drives the mouse pointer around. It works pretty good. Then I swapped all that out and installed Warp Connect, and can't find the driver I need to get the Pen/Digitizer going again. I backed up everything, so I haven't lost any of the files I started with. I recently saw on IBM's site that they pulled alot of the support for this box because of Y2K compliance issues. I really just want the pen to work. I'm using this box for making notes on the road, and transferring them to my desktop for final processing. Having the digitizer work again with out having to rely on M$ would be really nice! Anybody got any ideas where I can dredge up a driver? Thanx! -bk A fool and his money are soon elected. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 09:17:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA028436664; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:17:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18061; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:12:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17869; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.als.edu (mail.als.edu [207.127.52.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17837; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from alsmain-Message_Server by mail.als.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:09:18 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:08:46 -0500 From: Nancy Ota To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: tp701C-w95 & printing problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm new to the list. A few months ago I purchased a used TP701 and now have 24mb/540hd/win95. I did not receive any manuals or helpful material and have been combing the web for anything useful. I'm not technically inclined by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm a relatively proficient user. My multiport doesn't work b/c one of the tiny metal hair-like things that go into the connector on the back of the TP broke off. I want to use the printer port on the side of my TP, but I can't get it to work. The TP recognizes the floppy when its connected, but doesn't see a printer. Any suggestions? Also, I updated my bios from the IBM website and since then, I get an error message about a missing device file referred to by the windows registry or system.ini file: c:\windows\system\vm32\bios.vxd I don't know where to find this file or what it means. My computer seems to be working okay otherwise. Any suggestions? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 11:46:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA054705601; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:46:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28154; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:42:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27951; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27877; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mwelch363 ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/) with SMTP id KAA28816; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:27:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <006f01bd5e56$538efc80$24da020a@mwelch363.lscsoft.com> From: "Mike Welch" To: "Bruce Kingsland" Cc: Subject: Re: [TP360PE] Need OS/2 Pen/Digitizer driver Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:41:51 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bruce, If you'll go to http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/7ada.html you'll find the drivers matrix for your laptop. I had this link saved but when I went to it it had moved once again. IBM just moves their links around all the time, I don't know why. It sure makes finding things difficult. Anyway, there are OS/2 drivers there. And don't let the fact that PE might not show up in the list. The drivers are more generic than it looks by the descriptions on the matrix. Remember, too, that many of the 360PE drivers are compatible (if not identical) to the 750P, so if all else fails, look for stuff on the 750P. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Kingsland To: ThinkPad Users Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 2:43 AM Subject: [TP360PE] Need OS/2 Pen/Digitizer driver From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 12:56:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA068669800; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:56:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02333; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:51:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02131; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.agron.iastate.edu (www.agron.iastate.edu [129.186.230.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02049; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from arritt.agron.iastate.edu ([129.186.20.123]) by www.agron.iastate.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 316 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:48:39 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980402115047.0076e8c4@www.agron.iastate.edu> X-Sender: rwarritt@www.agron.iastate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:50:47 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Ray Arritt" Subject: Re: 701 <--> desktop In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >On Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:38:30 -0800, Marc Weidenbaum wrote: > >>I imagine this is an old subject for this board, but does anyone have any >>advice for inexpensive way to link a desktop and a thinkpad? I've heard >>that Win95 can do it over a serial cable, but I know little more than that. If as implied you are using Win95, you can use its built-in Direct Cable Connection utility. Beware that the instructions in Win95 are grossly inadequate -- they make it sound like you just plug in the cable, fire up DCC and go. You have to first install networking protocols on both machines, then enable file and printer sharing on BOTH machines (not just the one that has the disk or printer you want to access). Use the parallel version, which is much faster than the serial version. DCC requires a special cable but it is cheap and widely available (got mine for $6.99 from WalMart). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 16:16:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA113431785; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:16:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15476; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:09:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15181; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15132; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA30920; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:09:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 2 Apr 98 23:09:23 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 2 Apr 98 23:09:15 +0200 Received: from Voyager (132.187.248.175) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 2 Apr 98 23:09:05 +0200 From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "Hans Juergen Rauscher" Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Thu, 02 Apr 98 23:09:39 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warp 4 on TP 760XD Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 29 Mar 98 16:01:09 +0100, Hans Juergen Rauscher wrote: Hello! >Checked for the 640x480 with 16 Colors and (only) 60 Hz video mode setting? >AFAIR Warp's VGA driver can only use the video chip in VGA mode with the above settings. It works if I set ZOOM VGA in ThinkPad Features. I found that by fortune. But didn't answer why all works if I boot up from Disk A: -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to A.Wagner@BigFoot.COM or A.Wagner@BigFoot.DE From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 16:34:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA117502877; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:34:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16566; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:27:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16417; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16261; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA19051; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:22:12 -1000 Message-Id: <001201bd5e7d$c5c09ee0$0f02000a@tp.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "Ray Arritt" Subject: Re: 701 <--> desktop Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:24:49 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >If as implied you are using Win95, you can use its built-in Direct Cable >Connection utility. Beware that the instructions in Win95 are grossly >inadequate Agreed. A good hand-holding manual for DCC is http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/kime/directcc/index.html BTW, if one is using a serial cable or IR to network under W95, you'll get more flexibility by using Dial-Up Networking/Dial-Up Server together with a 'virtual' modem on each machine. The advantage is true bidirectionality (with DCC you have to 'fool' the system into letting each machine be a guest on the other simultaneously). However, DCC *does* have the advantage that you can use it and DUN at the same time, which means that (together with a proxy server or similar) you can dial into an ISP with one machine and have both machines on the internet. (I recently used this in order to let a desktop use a laptop's modem.) - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 20:24:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA173736695; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:24:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26706; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:17:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26525; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26512; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop (slip-32-100-144-77.co.us.ibm.net [32.100.144.77]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA71130 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:16:52 GMT Message-Id: <000d01bd5ea6$632b3500$4d906420@laptop> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: FS: Li-Ion Battery for Thinkpad 76x/755cx $145 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:15:33 -0800 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As part of my ongoing effort of cleaning house and recouping some money: Li-Ion Battery for Thinkpad 76x/755cx --- $145 -Li-Ion Battery Pack II, Model #29H9329 (29H9232) -Works in 760/765/755cx Models -Will include adapter for TP755cx model for $5 more List price is $265 for this drive. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 20:59:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA180978797; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:59:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28201; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:57:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28106; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28077; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailstub@localhost) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA01409; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:57:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804030157.RAA01409@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "Thinkpad Email List" Date: Thu, 02 Apr 98 19:00:54 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: notebook peripherals forsale Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu PCMCIA add-on for select-dock base. attaches to back of selectDock base unit and add 2 PCMCIA slots. 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Not flash upgradeable. $60 --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 2 23:42:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218178546; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:42:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04629; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:39:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04332; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04297; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA23447; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:32:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury) Message-Id: <199804030432.UAA23447@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bruce Kingsland" Date: Thu, 02 Apr 98 20:38:02 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP360PE] Need OS/2 Pen/Digitizer driver Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:38:13 PST, Bruce Kingsland wrote: >OK, this is my first post, and the request from the welcome screen asked >me to give a bio, which I will in a future note. However, for now, I have a >request that I'd like to get rolling first: > >I recently got this 360PE with PC DOS 6.3 and MS Win31 with TP drivers >installed. It has the Pen/Digitizer screen where you can write on the >screen with a special pen and it will do on the spot OCR so you can >"write" your reports, etc. It also drives the mouse pointer around. It >works pretty good. Then I swapped all that out and installed Warp >Connect, and can't find the driver I need to get the Pen/Digitizer going >again. I backed up everything, so I haven't lost any of the files I started >with. I recently saw on IBM's site that they pulled alot of the support for >this box because of Y2K compliance issues. I really just want the pen to >work. I'm using this box for making notes on the road, and transferring >them to my desktop for final processing. Having the digitizer work again >with out having to rely on M$ would be really nice! > >Anybody got any ideas where I can dredge up a driver? > I don't know if IBM Direct still has it, but they used to have Pen for OS/2 Warp. Unfortunately, it isn't free, but that should be what you need. BTW, what version are you running, 3 or 4? And I don't blame you about not wanting M$. Good luck. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 26 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 22h 4m 43s 203ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 09:34:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA013724097; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:34:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02138; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:29:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01736; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f94.hotmail.com [207.82.250.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01724; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6881 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 1998 14:28:51 -0000 Message-Id: <19980403142851.6880.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.48.31.160 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 06:28:50 PST X-Originating-Ip: [206.48.31.160] From: "matcho essawy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: iomega Zip Drive 100MB Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 06:28:50 PST Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can I install iomega Zip Drive 100MB internal drive in the 380ED ThinkPad 3.5 FDD bay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 10:21:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA022536875; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:21:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04884; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:12:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04628; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04597; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-149.usc.edu [128.125.229.149]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA01487 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:11:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804031511.HAA01487@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 07:10:55 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: I think I'm going to defect... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yeah, I know--I've been a *seriously* loyal ThinkPad user for about 4 years now. And I've loved every one of 'em. ;-) But in a nutshell, I saw a good deal on a new NEC Versa 5084X on the E-Bay auction site and I couldn't pass it up. ;-) Almost as thin (1.5" vs. 1.2") and light (5.2 lbs. vs. 4.1)as my 560, bigger & higher-res screen (13.3" XGA vs. 12.1" SVGA), and capable of swapping in a CD-ROM drive to boot? Hard to pass up. Oh yeah, did I mention the 233 MMX chip? Yeah, I know--the 600 series should be coming out soon that will incorporate the same kind of features (at least the ability to insert a CD drive--I don't know about the larger screen & etc.), but the opportunity was there and the price was right (new in the box for about $600 less than I could buy it from normal channels). My concerns? That I might hate the touchpad. I've grown to really like the Trackpoint for my notebook use. Anyone have similar Trackpoint vs. Touchpad thoughts? Another concern is the support structure I received from this community of TP users. I don't know that there's anything similar for Versa users (Please let me know about it if you *do* know). This list has made my ThinkPadding a richer experience. But alas, I'm not plunging in just yet. I figure I'll use the Versa for a while and then make a decision whether to keep it. I think (hope) that if I just don't like the feel of using it, I can sell it for near the price I paid for it, given that I got a good deal on it to begin with. And of course, until I decide for certain to keep the Versa, I'm not not selling off a ThinkPad. We'll see... ...and of course, some of you know that I not only have a 560, but when I got the 560 my wife got the 701C (which was upgraded to the Cyrix 586/100 CPU last December after which I did those benchmarking tests for the list). So if I do keep the Versa, it will be an interesting question which ThinkPad to sell. Any list members have an opinon on that? ;-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 11:07:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA031959629; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:07:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09424; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:55:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08711; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08693; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from JohnMotsie@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 7KSOa11408; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:54:54 -0500 (EST) From: JohnMotsie Message-Id: <76204fba.35250651@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:54:54 EST To: rwhittle@usa.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Randal, I'm new to the world of ThinkPads (560e) and the mailing list. EP Brown and David Ross gave me valuable advice in getting started. In a message dated 98-04-03 10:21:21 EST, you write: << My concerns? That I might hate the touchpad. I've grown to really like the Trackpoint for my notebook use. Anyone have similar Trackpoint vs. Touchpad thoughts? >> For the 2+ years that I've had a touchpad, I always used a mouse. But, I really like the trackpad on the 560e. << when I got the 560 my wife got the 701C (which was upgraded to the Cyrix 586/100 CPU last December after which I did those benchmarking tests for the list). So if I do keep the Versa, it will be an interesting question which ThinkPad to sell. Any list members have an opinon on that? ;-) >> Might want to include your wife in that decision...;-) Have a great day... John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 11:09:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA032519768; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:09:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09428; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:55:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08638; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mailbox.mcs.net (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08319; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Mailbox.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA15663 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:52:02 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980403095150.007b8910@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:51:50 -0600 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... In-Reply-To: <199804031511.HAA01487@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 07:10 AM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >My concerns? That I might hate the touchpad. I've grown to >really like the Trackpoint for my notebook use. Anyone have >similar Trackpoint vs. Touchpad thoughts? Well, I read about this issue a year or two ago. They seemed to think think that people who used touchpads would never choose a pointing stick, while pointing stick users didn't really care. My response to that was that no one ever asked ME! The pointing stick approach is the only one I've found that allows me to (effectively) leave my hands (both of them) at the home row. Most of what I do is text based, whether it is Email or word processing or even most of my presentation work. The "mouse" use is ancillary. So, for typing efficiency, I don't want to have to move my hand, mouse around, then have to move my hand back and make sure it's in the right place before I can continue with the main event. A good friend of mine bought a Toshiba with a pointing stick and hated it. He said that his finger kept slipping off the nub. I gave him one of my "cat's tongue" TrackPoint caps and he's been fine ever since. On his desktop machine, he has a touchpad built into his keyboard. Plus, he has one of those new-ish Cross pen pads. Anyway, I am pleased to see that there is a choice in notebook computer with pointing stick. I've seen not only IBM and Toshiba, but a couple of other fairly reasonable brands with them. I still expect to buy an IBM again next time (which I don't expect to be that many more months), but I like seeing competition in the market. And, who knows, maybe Toshiba or someone will come out with a real "killer" notebook for a LOT less money than the comparable IBM that will be too good a deal to pass up. (Without the pointing stick, it would be very easy to pass up.) Good luck! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My keys, 0x571B55BD & 0x628ECED2, available from key servers iQEVAwUBNSUFk+ukCaFXG1W9AQH+HQf/dZ9b7MfE+UOiPNeGYmbNzflyf9pReYy/ ffSMGpV3/XnM46SInIV2WBVmOntppdVlEPsbknJFxA/LXfkZ+6E6RPxgbcTwDnqN NjOcoM7ZDwEE7ubs+JZM27envVejACwdWUm0K4PD4GKLllQ39lId/+JQ0b7+mqon 7L4Wh0z9+dNLN93nWB9oC5+TfvgWyYSDxAfnhlacvEtJBYQ+lz13pd2xL1l71Anm o55di+2LtvQPgr5eNfqcQYWuu9LhLmrfBXSFxPGbZHjFyd6NQ8EISyBqFUbfnx1h 7rxEeTIrKcNRltwb5RwgEHzSs9RE4T/P7hILWceaWdy/rAZmMlfeAA== =A2tU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 11:28:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA036690925; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:28:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12300; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:21:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12134; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from klingon.upnaway.com (root@klingon.upnaway.com [203.30.19.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12108; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (borg11.upnaway.com [202.61.239.21]) by klingon.upnaway.com (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA29957 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:14:29 +0800 Message-Id: <199804031614.AAA29957@klingon.upnaway.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Teng-Yan Loke" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:20:35 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... Reply-To: lokety@post1.com Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199804031511.HAA01487@almaak.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > My concerns? That I might hate the touchpad. I've grown to really > like the Trackpoint for my notebook use. Anyone have similar > Trackpoint vs. Touchpad thoughts? In my experience, I believe that the touchpads have a shorter lifespan than IBM's TP3. Although touchpads may require less finger strength to manipulate, it takes up more space on the keyboard. ---- Teng-Yan Loke aka Cow | lokety@post1.com | www.post1.com/~lokety PGP fingerprint F6 18 CE 37 4C 90 C4 C9 EE F1 D7 B0 5F AE D2 88 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 12:20:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA045804012; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:20:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16066; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:16:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15880; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15556; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA15845; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:43 -0500 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28697; Fri, 3 Apr 98 11:56:08 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA17768; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:56:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:56:31 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... In-Reply-To: <199804031511.HAA01487@almaak.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > > My concerns? That I might hate the touchpad. I've grown to really like > the Trackpoint for my notebook use. Anyone have similar Trackpoint vs. > Touchpad thoughts? Typical answer: Some people love 'em, some hate 'em. I like them for occasional mousing. For serious mousing (like graphics) I never could get used to having every slight jiggle of my finger translated into mouse movement. Then again, I never could use the trackpoint for graphics either. > Another concern is the support structure I received from this community of > TP users. I don't > know that there's anything similar for Versa users (Please let me know > about it if you *do* know). This list has made my ThinkPadding a richer > experience. While I don't think there's a list, I do know there's some community of Versa users out there. XF86Config files for various Versas and Toshibas came out before similar files for the TP701 even though all used the same video chipset. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 14:23:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA073471388; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:23:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23492; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:17:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23247; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23041; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA24367; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:10:05 -1000 Message-Id: <002001bd5f34$7c793be0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: NEC, touchpads, and bombs (was: Re: I think I'm going to defect...) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:12:45 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NEC makes fine equipment, but I think the support isn't as good as with I= BM; I have a colleague who's had nothing but trouble getting repairs on his (aging) Versa. W/r to the pointer controversy, at least NEC has finally discontinued tho= se screwball front-of-case trackballs, which were awkward at best and requir= ed frequent servicing. My research group's Micron (which just returned from= a trip to Tahiti, alas I didn't get to keep it company) has both a touchpad= and a trackpoint. When it is on my desk (most of the time) the trackpoint is enabled; I can't abide the touchpad. When my grad student has it, it is = the other way around. However, he's much more of a mouser than I am - I use keyboard commands whenever possible, and don't like to have my fingers le= ave the home rows (and the thumb just doesn't cut it for accurate touchpad u= se - you need to use your forefinger). I'm appending a story about the Versa that was on CNN a couple of weeks a= go; I'd deleted from my system, but fortunately hadn't yet emptied my recycle bin:-) Enjoy! - David R. * * * * * Attached file: =93Suspicious=94 notebook PC survives detonation by bomb = squad March 19, 1998 Web posted at: 3:37 PM EST (1537 GMT) (CNN) =96 After being blown up by a police bomb squad, a computer belonging to a New York State government worker continued= to function. An unmarked, suspicious looking box was found in the park= ing lot of Rochester=92s Army National Guard Armory in February. = As a precaution, police called in the bomb squad to investigat= e. An examination by a remote-controlled robot revealed that th= e box contained wires and cables, so the bomb squad decided to detonate the package. The small blast tore the box apart = and revealed a NEC Versa notebook computer and some periphera= ls, which had been reported stolen earlier. Some speakers, a CD-ROM drive and battery pack were damaged, as were the top pane= l and screen of the notebook, which took the brunt of the blast. Following the blast, the owner hooked up the damaged mach= ine to a VGA monitor, expecting it not to work. Instead, the mac= hine booted up and he was able to send an email to the NEC customer service department, congratulating them. "You make one rugged machine," wrote Joseph Songin, facilities manager at the armory. =93I expected it to start smoking = and had a fire extinguisher ready, but instead the password screen appeared. A quick check showed that all the files and software were undamaged and fully operational." Despite this damage, the Versa, which was primarily used = for map plotting, flight planning and conducting meteorological research, continued to function, without any data loss, damage to the processor, hard drive or memory slots. The theft of the machine is still under investigation. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 15:01:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA080543681; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:01:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25720; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25587; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-relay2.idt.net (mail-relay2.idt.net [169.132.8.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25575; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-relay2.idt.net (ppp-20.ts-9.nyc.idt.net [169.132.99.20]) by mail-relay2.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09924 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804031957.OAA09924@mail-relay2.idt.net> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 2.6) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:00:46 EST From: Michael Cole Reply-To: Michael Cole Subject: 701: Warp Connect v. Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've just purchase a refurbrished 701C (DX75 16MB 720MB). On balance, which version of OS2 is better suited to this machine to gain the best application performance? The machine will be configured for network access, but no MM functions, and will probably substitute PC2 for the WPS. Can folks out there comment on the performance differences between Warp 4 and 3 on this hardware? TIA, Michael Cole cole@griffoninc.com Michael Cole Griffon Associates cole@griffoninc.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 15:16:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA083384573; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:16:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26989; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:14:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26842; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26829; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20483; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:14:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (pcp098644pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20455; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:13:59 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980403150840.00a62800@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:08:40 -0500 To: Randal Whittle From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <199804031511.HAA01487@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:10 AM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >Yeah, I know--the 600 series should be coming out soon that will >incorporate the same kind of features (at least the ability to insert a CD >drive--I don't know about the larger screen & etc.) > The TP600 looks pretty interesting from this review: http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/firstlooks/9804/f980402a.htm Kind of pricy, though. Re the touchpad vs. the stick, pointing devices are kind of a personal preference thing. I personally can't use a touchpad - just can't get the hang of it. I'm all over the screen with one. I like the pointing sticks - don't have to take my hands off the keyboard to use them, and I don't get unintended activity by merely brushing up against them like I do with the touchpad. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 3 19:07:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA126318432; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:07:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07095; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:04:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06993; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from erebus.mcmurdo.gov (erebus-107.mcmurdo.gov [157.132.107.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06971; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from gere (gere-124.mcmurdo.gov [157.132.124.243]) by erebus.mcmurdo.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27054 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:49:44 GMT Message-Id: <199804032349.XAA27054@erebus.mcmurdo.gov> X-Sender: cds@pop.mcmurdo.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 23:43:35 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Chris Liljenstolpe Subject: solaris on a TP760xd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings, Has anybody got Solaris 2.5.1 or 2.6 x86 running on a Thinkpad 760xd? What drivers did you use for X? Chris Chris Liljenstolpe - Senior Network Engineer mailto:cds@mcmurdo.gov Antarctic Support Associates, under contract to the US Antarctic Program - National Science Foundation NOC, McMurdo Station, Antarctica, 78 degrees south, 167 degrees east Tel: +1 509 689 6270 Fax: +1 509 689 6293 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 01:34:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA198971661; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:34:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18663; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:32:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18468; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18448; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-207.usc.edu [128.125.229.207]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA26060; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:31:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804040631.WAA26060@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:49:50 -0800 To: Jane Loyless From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980403150840.00a62800@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> References: <199804031511.HAA01487@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:08 PM 4/3/98 , Jane Loyless wrote: >At 07:10 AM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Yeah, I know--the 600 series should be coming out soon that will >>incorporate the same kind of features (at least the ability to insert a CD >>drive--I don't know about the larger screen & etc.) >> > >The TP600 looks pretty interesting from this review: > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/firstlooks/9804/f980402a.htm Wow...6 1/2 pounds with the CD drive in? That's almost 1 full pound heavier than the Versa 5000 series with its CD drive in, and a *almost* 2 1/2 pounds heavier than the 560 (which is a mere 4.1 lbs)! Looks to me like IBM remembered the part about "thin", but forgot the "light". We know it can be done (adding in modularity like an insertable CD-Drive) in less weight in these same dimensions (12" x 9.5" x 1.5" thick), because NEC does in in the Versa 5000 series in 5.6 lbs. (with CD-Drive in. A touch over 5 lbs. with an empty bay). So why does IBM's stab at this weigh so much? Also--I'm curious: Do TFT displays weigh a significant amount? Enough to make a significant difference between, say, a 12.1" screen and a 13.3" screen? Or 14.1" screen? About how much would that difference be? Is it mostly the glass (or whatever it is)? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 01:34:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA198961661; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:34:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18660; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:31:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18432; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18420; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-207.usc.edu [128.125.229.207]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA26046; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:31:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804040631.WAA26046@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:55:06 -0800 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: NEC, touchpads, and bombs (was: Re: I think I'm going to defect...) Cc: "TP List" In-Reply-To: <002001bd5f34$7c793be0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:12 AM 4/3/98 , David Ross wrote: >NEC makes fine equipment, but I think the support isn't as good as with= IBM; >I'm appending a story about the Versa that was on CNN a couple of weeks= ago; >I'd deleted from my system, but fortunately hadn't yet emptied my recycle >bin:-) Enjoy! > =93Suspicious=94 notebook PC survives detonation by bomb= squad > March 19, 1998 Actually David, I had heard about this--and NEC is making a big deal about this story too. :-) But for what its worth, in PC/Computing's torture tests, NEC's Versa (I don't have a clue which model) was among the first to keel over after an 18-inch drop. :-( I guess I'll find out the hard way whether I can live with the touchpad or not (maybe I'll get lucky and actually *like* it--or at least feel neutral about it vs. the Trackpoint...) When's that 600 series ThinkPad coming out? Any more info about it? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 08:45:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260607548; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:45:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05948; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:44:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05831; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05819; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA16501; Sat, 4 Apr 98 08:41:55 EST Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 08:41:55 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804041341.AA16501@nile.gnat.com> To: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> I find touchpads intolerable, I would not consider using any machine, desktop or notebook, that did not have a pointing stick. Make sure you pay ZERO attention to what anyone else says here, try out whatever you want to buy BEFORE you commit yourself to paying for it!!!! People have VERY different ideas about what is tolerable, let alone what is optimal and pleasant. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 10:13:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA272712803; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:13:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08011; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:11:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07742; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (letoured@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07729; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from letoured@localhost) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29852; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:10:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804041510.KAA29852@pike.sover.net> From: letoured@sover.net Date: Sat, 04 Apr 98 10:11:32 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199804031957.OAA09924@mail-relay2.idt.net> Subject: Re: 701: Warp Connect v. Warp 4 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.38 (Unregistered) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think the cost of Warp Connect vs. Warp 4, would make it more logical to go with Warp 4. --I've never run Warp Connect, but I've run Warp 3 and Warp 4 on a DX50 with 16mb. Whether they are tolerable or not depends upon you've seen either on a faster machine. Personally, I would go with Warp 4 and only install the network features that you really have to have, and look for more memory too. FWIW, the minimun ram unsed for networking under Warp 4 are: The remote access client, 6mb of ram File & Print Client, 4 mb TCP/IP Service, 4mb Netware Client, 2mb Newwork & Protocol Services, 2mb System Management client, 1mb >I've just purchase a refurbrished 701C (DX75 >16MB 720MB). >On balance, which version of OS2 is better >suited to this machine to gain the best >application performance? >The machine will be configured for network >access, but no MM functions, and will probably >substitute PC2 for the WPS. >Can folks out there comment on the performance >differences between Warp 4 and 3 on this >hardware? >TIA, >Michael Cole >cole@griffoninc.com >Michael Cole >Griffon Associates >cole@griffoninc.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 10:13:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA272752815; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:13:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08058; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:11:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07790; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (letoured@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07778; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from letoured@localhost) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29916; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:11:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804041511.KAA29916@pike.sover.net> From: letoured@sover.net Date: Sat, 04 Apr 98 10:13:28 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linksys PCMCIA & Thinkpad X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.38 (Unregistered) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I tried to make the Warp 4 remote install work on a 560 ThinkPad with a Linksys PCMCIA card. It doesn't work and the log always reprots the following: IBM OS/2 LANMSGDD [08/01/96] 5.05 is loaded and operational. IBM OS/2 NETBEUI 5.00.0 NETBEUI: Using a 32-bit data segment. IBM OS/2 NETBIOS 4.0 Adapter 0 has 225 NCBs, 130 sessions, and 20 names available to NETBIOS applications. NETBIOS 4.0 is loaded and operational. IBM OS/2 LAN Netbind PRO0028: A hardware failure occurred when the program tried to bind NETBEUI to MAC. XI10066: Attach failed with rc = 59. XI10066: Attach failed with rc = 59. Does anyone know what is wrong here? Or a website where I can findout what rc = 59 means. FWIW, Linksys support is totally useless. I do not recommend their products after having one. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 10:18:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA273353102; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:18:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08815; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:17:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08678; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08627; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts2p23.port.net (usrts2p23.port.net [207.237.105.23]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06814 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:16:57 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560x v. 600 Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 10:16:54 -0500 Message-Id: <35274c3c.20929015@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been thinking about whether to replace my TP 560 (133mhz, active screen) with a 560x or a 600 or to wait for something better. I've been leaning towards the 560x, assuming the price comes down (currently about $3,300 - I assume it will go under $3,000 shortly). From what I read, it's about twice as fast as the 560, has a much bigger drive (4gb v. 1 gb), can hold much more ram (96mb v. 40mb) and has almost twice the battery life (almost 4 hrs v. about 2) The 600 is only about 15% faster than the 560 (PCMag benchmarks). While it has a larger, higher resolution screen, it weighs about a pound more and the battery life is not as good (about 3:12). I don't use cd-rom's that often, so a cd-rom slot is of little interest. And it seems pricey - estimated street price is $4,950. Any thoughts, reactions, considerations, etc. would be appreciated. btw, http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/firstlooks/9804/f980402a.htm has a review of the 600 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 10:51:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA277555080; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:51:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10058; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:50:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09972; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09960; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-054.usc.edu [128.125.223.54]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA26239; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:50:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804041550.HAA26239@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 07:49:26 -0800 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35274c3c.20929015@mail.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:16 AM 4/4/98 , richard wrote: >The 600 is only about 15% faster than the 560 (PCMag benchmarks). While it has 15% is peanuts. If it were 50% faster, you'd start into the realm of significance. You wouldn't even notice 15%... >a larger, higher resolution screen, it weighs about a pound more and the battery You missed something here--the 600 weighs 6 1/2 lbs, while the 560 is 4.1 lbs. That's not merely a pound, that's almost 2 1/2 pounds. Definitely not insignificant (at least ot me!). That's a *huge* difference. >life is not as good (about 3:12). I don't use cd-rom's that often, so a cd-rom >slot is of little interest. And it seems pricey - estimated street price is >$4,950. To me, it comes down to which features you want. Here's the 600's pluses over the 560x. Only you can decide whether they are more important to you: - Screen (XGA, 13.3") - Speed (but only 15%--I almost didn't even list it here because of that). - CD-ROM And the 560X beats it on: - Price - Battery Life - Weight (BIG Difference!) Depending on the premium you put on each of these, make your choice! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 10:56:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA278605398; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:56:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10469; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:55:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10385; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10372; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16628 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:55:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 4 Apr 98 17:55:18 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 4 Apr 98 17:54:50 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de.0.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA (132.187.248.142) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 4 Apr 98 17:54:48 +0200 From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 04 Apr 98 17:55:09 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MWave Modem Message-Id: <12A09C90BE9@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! Played arround a bit with MWave modem on a TP760XD running OS/2 Warp 4. Seems to work well, but if I issue atdt I get ERROR. If I use atdp nothing happens at all. Tried to play with modem setup, initialization, some AT-commands etc. unsing ZOC or InJoy but allways the same. Also FaxWorks reports a modem-error regardless if I set up Class 1 or Class 2. I also monitored modem-LED's (the little tool delivered with MWave) but didn't note anything strange. So what could be the problem? Any hints? Do you know about any difficulties if I want to use the MWave connected to ISDN via an AD-converter? I also issued ATX1 and ATX3 to get the modem not waiting for a dialtone. I also receives an error... -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to A.Wagner@BigFoot.COM or A.Wagner@BigFoot.DE From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 11:20:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281536805; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:20:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11604; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:17:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11441; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11428; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA19666; Sat, 4 Apr 98 11:17:31 EST Message-Id: <35265CE8.E19EF6A2@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:16:40 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 References: <199804041550.HAA26239@almaak.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 6.5lbs on the 600 is with the CD-ROM installed. In my experience, a CD-ROM adds a fair bit of weight as compared to a floppy drive (one my 770). It certainly isn't 2.5lbs though. I thought the 600 was going to be around 5lbs. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 11:48:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA285888493; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:48:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12636; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:46:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12524; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12512; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts3p195.port.net (usrts3p195.port.net [207.237.106.195]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17306; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:46:49 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Randal Whittle Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:46:51 -0500 Message-Id: <35295c3c.25025743@mail.interport.net> References: <199804041550.HAA26239@almaak.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <199804041550.HAA26239@almaak.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 07:49:26 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 07:16 AM 4/4/98 , richard wrote: >>The 600 is only about 15% faster than the 560 (PCMag benchmarks). While >it has > > 15% is peanuts. If it were 50% faster, you'd start into the realm of >significance. You wouldn't even notice 15%... Not to be defensive, but that's what I meant by "only". I'm hoping that the speed difference between the 560 and 560x is readily apparent. >>a larger, higher resolution screen, it weighs about a pound more and the >battery > > You missed something here--the 600 weighs 6 1/2 lbs, while the 560 is 4.1 >lbs. That's not merely a pound, that's almost 2 1/2 pounds. Definitely >not insignificant (at least ot me!). That's a *huge* difference. PCMag lists the 600 as 5.6 lbs system weight and 6.5 lbs travel weight From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 12:32:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA292931170; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:32:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14182; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:30:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14001; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13987; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 71420666 - 193.149.82.169 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:29:34 -0800 From: "LPL" <71420666@email.msn.com> To: "richard" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:31:32 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-Id: <0314f3429170448UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had a 560 with a 133 and 40 megs of RAM. Stolen recently. It was faster than my new 560X with 32 megs and a 233MMX. Now that I've added 64 megs more RAM to the 560X ($239 at CDW) it is fast and acceptable. Unreal! There's something wrong. LPLarsen -----Original Message----- From: richard To: Randal Whittle Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: 04 April 1998 17:49 Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 >On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 07:49:26 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > >>At 07:16 AM 4/4/98 , richard wrote: >>>The 600 is only about 15% faster than the 560 (PCMag benchmarks). While >>it has >> >> 15% is peanuts. If it were 50% faster, you'd start into the realm of >>significance. You wouldn't even notice 15%... > >Not to be defensive, but that's what I meant by "only". > >I'm hoping that the speed difference between the 560 and 560x is readily >apparent. > >>>a larger, higher resolution screen, it weighs about a pound more and the >>battery >> >> You missed something here--the 600 weighs 6 1/2 lbs, while the 560 is 4.1 >>lbs. That's not merely a pound, that's almost 2 1/2 pounds. Definitely >>not insignificant (at least ot me!). That's a *huge* difference. > > >PCMag lists the 600 as 5.6 lbs system weight and 6.5 lbs travel weight > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 12:34:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA293131243; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:34:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14339; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:32:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14193; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14172; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-054.usc.edu [128.125.223.54]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA05711; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:32:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804041732.JAA05711@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:26:34 -0800 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35295c3c.25025743@mail.interport.net> References: <199804041550.HAA26239@almaak.usc.edu> <199804041550.HAA26239@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:46 AM 4/4/98 , richard wrote: >> You missed something here--the 600 weighs 6 1/2 lbs, while the 560 is 4.1 >>lbs. That's not merely a pound, that's almost 2 1/2 pounds. Definitely >>not insignificant (at least ot me!). That's a *huge* difference. > > >PCMag lists the 600 as 5.6 lbs system weight and 6.5 lbs travel weight Ahhh...well, that makes me feel better. :-) So what's included in the travel weight? Is the 5.6 lbs. figure just the bare machine? If so, that's in line with NEC's Versa 5000 series (5.2 lbs. bare--no CD-Drive in the bay). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 15:43:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA027932593; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:43:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19360; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:40:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19223; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from randomc.com (root@ra1.randomc.com [130.205.70.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19205; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pentiumnt (pm-atl-1-38.nbank.net [209.195.11.38]) by randomc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA23422; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:35:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <006c01bd6009$edade290$021175cd@pentiumnt.randomc.com> Reply-To: "samg" From: "samg" To: Cc: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:40:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01BD5FE0.03E4EF10" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BD5FE0.03E4EF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BD5FE0.03E4EF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BD5FE0.03E4EF10-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 17:32:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA047219159; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:32:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22483; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:30:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22380; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22365; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from t.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA03176; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:26:54 -1000 Message-Id: <002601bd6019$26921a40$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Lee Hetherington" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "richard" , Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:29:34 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >The 6.5lbs on the 600 is with the CD-ROM installed. In my experience, a >CD-ROM adds a fair bit of weight as compared to a floppy drive (one my >770). It certainly isn't 2.5lbs though. I agree. In fact, there's no reason for the CDROM to weigh more than about 10 ounces (the no-battery weight of the lightest *external* drives). Comparing weights is always difficult because published specs include different things (for example, Toshiba used to advertise the weights of their subnotes sans battery). BTW, I wish there was a faux-battery available for the 560 (as there is for the TI Travelmate, for example), so that one could cover the gaping battery hole when the battery isn't needed. If the 600 is really over 5.5 pounds w/battery (but w/out CD) then I personally don't believe it qualifies as a 'subnotebook' - maybe 'midnote' would be a better term for machines such as this (and the Sony, new NEC, etc.) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 23:38:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA107841118; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:38:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01760; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:36:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01620; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01608; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA11339; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:30:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury) Message-Id: <199804050430.UAA11339@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 04 Apr 98 20:36:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA 3D on 701/Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone been able to get this card to work under OS/2 Warp 4? I bought this card through eBay. The setup program installed okay, and I don't get any errors, but the card doesn't seem to work. Additionally, those morons at the Help Center suggested that I reinstall MMPM/2, and that didn't help. Has anyone got this card to work, particulary in a 701? Thanks, -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 20 Processes with 78 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 28m 53s 632ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 4 23:40:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA108071210; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:40:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02062; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:38:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01840; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01828; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA11436; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:32:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury) Message-Id: <199804050432.UAA11436@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "letoured@sover.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 04 Apr 98 20:38:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701: Warp Connect v. Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 04 Apr 98 10:11:32 -0500, letoured@sover.net wrote: >I think the cost of Warp Connect vs. Warp 4, would make it more logical to >go with Warp 4. --I've never run Warp Connect, but I've run Warp 3 and >Warp 4 on a DX50 with 16mb. Whether they are tolerable or not depends upon >you've seen either on a faster machine. > >Personally, I would go with Warp 4 and only install the network features >that you really have to have, and look for more memory too. > >FWIW, the minimun ram unsed for networking under Warp 4 are: > >The remote access client, 6mb of ram >File & Print Client, 4 mb >TCP/IP Service, 4mb >Netware Client, 2mb >Newwork & Protocol Services, 2mb >System Management client, 1mb > Plus at least 100MB of HD space for the base OS, and 12MB RAM. I ran for a while on 12MB RAM, but I now have 24, and performance is much better with the extra 16 MB. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 20 Processes with 78 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 31m 27s 62ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 03:16:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA135890587; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 03:16:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06899; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 03:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 03:11:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06642; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 03:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06628; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 03:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-037.usc.edu [128.125.229.37]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id XAA21612; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:10:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804050710.XAA21612@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 22:33:20 -0800 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Cc: "Lee Hetherington" , "richard" , In-Reply-To: <002601bd6019$26921a40$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:29 PM 4/4/98 , David Ross wrote: >If the 600 is really over 5.5 pounds w/battery (but w/out CD) then I >personally don't believe it qualifies as a 'subnotebook' - maybe 'midnote' >would be a better term for machines such as this (and the Sony, new NEC, >etc.) The ultra-tiny (Portege, etc.) are the subnotebooks. Maybe even the 701 is (the last great one, IMO--given that it managed to maintain a full-size keyboard). The 560's & etc. (perhaps the 600, the Sony, the Versa 5000 series, Digital's Hi-Note Ultra...) are in a class they're calling "Thin and Light". An apt description, I think--since it doesn't pretend to be "extra small", just thinner than usual and lighter too. That certainly describes the 560. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 05:36:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA154919002; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:36:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16746; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:35:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16631; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16619; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA04912; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:32:30 -1000 Message-Id: <001d01bd6076$22bd9860$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Randal Whittle" Cc: Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:35:10 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > The 560's & etc. (perhaps the 600, the Sony, the Versa 5000 series, >Digital's Hi-Note Ultra...) are in a class they're calling "Thin and >Light". Somehow I don't think that "thin and light" is a category name that will last, and I certainly think the 560 is more akin to traditional subnotes like the 701 and the HP800 than it is to "sorta thin and sorta lights" like the 600, the Sony, and the NEC (I believe the DEC is more comparable to the 560). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 06:34:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA162982452; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:34:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18001; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:33:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17906; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17894; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10303 invoked by uid 66); 5 Apr 1998 10:30:49 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 11:37 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: solaris on a TP760xd To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Chris Liljenstolpe (cds@mcmurdo.gov) wrote: > Greetings, > > Has anybody got Solaris 2.5.1 or 2.6 x86 running on a Thinkpad 760xd? > What drivers did you use for X? XFree86 maybe? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 06:47:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA164633266; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:47:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18854; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18757; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18743; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:46:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates ([206.96.182.72]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA08134 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:46:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199804051046.FAA08134@sh1.ro.com> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 04:43:59 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Video recording gets odd error X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a ThinkPad 765D running OS/2 v4 with fixpack 5. Does anyone else? I used to be able to use its video hardware to record real time video, but it no longer records. Using VideoIN, when I first try I get an error about an invalid stream protocol (return code 553x? VideoIN no longer shows video, I'll have to reboot before I can get the code again). When I change the settings and try again, I next get an error saying the stream is already used in a sync group (return code 5600), whatever that is. Is there a way around this problem? Does someone with a 765D have it recording video OK? If so, what real time settings do you use? Now, I can only get stills and see the video, but not capture it. I've played with the settings some, but to no avail. Thanks for the help! -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://xzalpha.ml.org/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup UAH-SEDS http://uah.seds.org/ Future author of: "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 07:57:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA172837437; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 07:57:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20324; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 07:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 07:55:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20203; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 07:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20190; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 07:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA23245; Sun, 5 Apr 98 07:53:28 EDT Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 07:53:28 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804051153.AA23245@nile.gnat.com> To: letoured@sover.net, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701: Warp Connect v. Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This seems a bit off topic for TP, but I am reporting OS/2 performance on TP, so I guess it is OK :-) I just want to note that HPFS386 makes a HUGE difference to performance on a machine with decent memory (I have 140 megs and use a 50 meg disk cache). It's night and day. FOr example, linking the compiler I am working on (GNAT, an Ada 95 compiler with a very nice OS/2 port), used to take 90 seconds with HPFS and a maximum sized cache. It now takes 4 seconds. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 08:03:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174057780; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:03:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20992; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:01:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20816; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20804; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00657; Sun, 5 Apr 98 07:59:02 EDT Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 07:59:02 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804051159.AA00657@nile.gnat.com> To: ross@math.hawaii.edu, rwhittle@usa.net Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I see no real advantage in small, and I think that this is probably true for a lot of people, which is why the 701 was a market failure, and IBM had to sell off huge numbers of them in a fire sale. For most people there are two needs o really small, fitting in a pocket, the PDA market ... o light notebooks, since no one likes to carry heavy things. But I don't see size as an advantaqge. In fact my ideal notebook would have a proper full size keybowrd with numeric pad and separate cursor group, and a wide screen to go with it, perhaps something like 1800 x 768 pixels, but it would be nice it if would also only weigh 2-3 pounds :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 09:31:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA185833078; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:31:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22531; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:28:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22428; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22416; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 229.chicago-10.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.114.229]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA10308 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:27:59 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:27:55 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <352985b5.5277756@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <9804051159.AA00657@nile.gnat.com> In-Reply-To: <9804051159.AA00657@nile.gnat.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Apr 98 07:59:02 EDT, you wrote: >I see no real advantage in small, and I think that this is probably true >for a lot of people, which is why the 701 was a market failure, and IBM >had to sell off huge numbers of them in a fire sale. I'd have to disagree with the assumption that subnotebook means A4 or smaller. On my site, I pretty much say the only distinction is that the system weigh under 5lbs, a limit I've found most respondents agree with that. While it's nice that Toshiba and Hewlett-Packard continue to offer a small design, with the 560 and DEC Hi-Note Ultra offering large displays while still coming under the 5lb weight limit, I see users as getting the best of both worlds. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 11:03:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA204148593; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:03:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24389; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:01:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24295; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24279; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:01:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14385; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA29350; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 852565DD.005297DF ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:02:08 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <852565DD.0051CED6.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:57:05 -0400 Subject: Re: solaris on a TP760xd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got it running on a 760el with no problems.... Below is the text of the message I got from Sun when I sent a request for help on this... I imagine it should work as well for your xd... Thinkpad 760EL video driver Cc: nja Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=62d2_2872-5818_5807-2730_6d5f --62d2_2872-5818_5807-2730_6d5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 7pyTfRgcEUS3P9tUgBeJoA== X-Sun-Data-Type: text Engineering has offered the following unsupported test fix. No guarantees but you are welcome to try. Attached file, tp760el.xqa, can be applied as follows: 1. become super user 2. cp tp760el.xqa /usr/openwin/etc/devdata/SUNWaccel/boards/toshiba 3. kdmconfig -u; kdmconfig -cf to reconfigure windowing system, user should select "IBM ThinkPad 760EL". Please let us know if this works. Norma Adamson Alternate Platforms Sun Service --62d2_2872-5818_5807-2730_6d5f Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=tp760el.xqa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: z6q6NUYSLB0uZ8vtxWXwjw== Content-Description: tp760el.xqa Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=tp760el.xqa // // Copyright 1995 Sun Microsystems Inc. // [ADAPTER] "IBM ThinkPad 760EL"; [ADAPTER_INFO] Module = "t93.ddx"; Vendor = "IBM"; Board = "ThinkPad 760EL"; GraphicsChip = "TCy9385"; VideoMemory = 1024; MaxHorTotal = 2048; MaxVerTotal = 2048; PanelRes = "800x600"; Interlaced = Supported; [VISUAL] Depth = 8; BitsPerPixel = 8; MemoryModel = Packed; ColorModel = Indexed; BitsRGB = 6; NumberOfColors = 256; [RESOLUTIONS] 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024 [DESKTOPS] 800x600, 1024x768 --62d2_2872-5818_5807-2730_6d5f-- hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) on 04/05/98 07:37:00 AM Please respond to h.milz@seneca.muc.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: Re: solaris on a TP760xd Chris Liljenstolpe (cds@mcmurdo.gov) wrote: > Greetings, > > Has anybody got Solaris 2.5.1 or 2.6 x86 running on a Thinkpad 760xd? > What drivers did you use for X? XFree86 maybe? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 11:41:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA209930916; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:41:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25578; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:40:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25484; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25461; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pdx01-pm2-28.teleport.com (pdx01-pm2-28.teleport.com [204.202.160.28]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26246 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804051539.IAA26246@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thought I'd weigh in on this one as a proponent of the 701: I still love the size -as well weight and feel of the 701 and eye those laptops that are even smaller. I liked this computer the first time I saw it and had a chance to lay hands on it. I think that IBM probed the limits of small, light and comfortable and succeeded. I believe that the *market failure* was the result of it being the last of the $6,000 486s. Oh, had it only been a Pentium! -of course then I may never have had the opportunity to buy one. As I eye some of the new smaller notebooks I like their portability and ultra light weight but the keyboards are just junk if you intend real typing. I love the size and feel of this keyboard and I have been nothing short of astounded that it has proven to be as durable as it has. Oh, and I should add that many of the larger systems also have junk keyboards in my opinion. The Hi-Note Ultra, for example, has a terrible keyboard -maybe the worst- for real typing. As I await affordability of the 560X, my target upgrade, I hope that I will find that two years after its purchase I like it as much as this 701. Bryan 701C -and still delighted At 01:27 PM 4/5/98 GMT, you wrote: >On Sun, 5 Apr 98 07:59:02 EDT, you wrote: >>I see no real advantage in small, and I think that this is probably true >>for a lot of people, which is why the 701 was a market failure, and IBM >>had to sell off huge numbers of them in a fire sale. > > I'd have to disagree with the assumption that subnotebook means A4 >or smaller. On my site, I pretty much say the only distinction is that >the system weigh under 5lbs, a limit I've found most respondents agree >with that. While it's nice that Toshiba and Hewlett-Packard continue >to offer a small design, with the 560 and DEC Hi-Note Ultra offering >large displays while still coming under the 5lb weight limit, I see >users as getting the best of both worlds. > epbrown >Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, >editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. >http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 11:53:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA213171633; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:53:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26240; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:53:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26152; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26140; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA10708; Sun, 5 Apr 98 11:50:51 EDT Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 11:50:51 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804051550.AA10708@nile.gnat.com> To: allied@teleport.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> I certainly agree it was underpowered, and that was one of the reasons I did not buy it. But if someone had come out with a 701 or equiavlent a year later with the latest fastest processor, I would still ont have bought it, because I find a 10" screen far too small. Of course tastes differ, and I am the first person as you know to insist that you look at machines yourself to make sure you base a purchase on your own tastes and not those of others. However, it is certainly the case that IBM market research indicated that most of the market feels the way I did, that screen size is a crucial parameter, and that 10.4" was too small, and that is why they abvandoned the form factor. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 12:10:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215782611; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:10:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27214; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:08:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27091; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27078; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pdx05-pm2-22.teleport.com (pdx05-pm2-22.teleport.com [204.202.160.150]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00380 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804051608.JAA00380@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Good morning, Robert, I had thought you'd talk of your "keyboard pounding!";) On screen size: It is an issue. The new micro notebooks' screens I find far too small and while larger is nice I have always felt that this 10" screen was just fine. [I recall thinking 10.5" screens: WOW, now you're talking!] Maybe I will like bigger bigger screen but I may not like the bigger size...? I'll add that I was disappointed to hear that the 600 is going to be strangely heavy. Weight is a big issue if you really carry it around with you. Keyboard feel is my biggest issue with word processing. Bryan At 11:50 AM 4/5/98 EDT, you wrote: ><laptops that are even smaller. I liked this computer the first time I saw >it and had a chance to lay hands on it. I think that IBM probed the limits >of small, light and comfortable and succeeded. I believe that the *market >failure* was the result of it being the last of the $6,000 486s. Oh, had it >only been a Pentium! -of course then I may never have had the opportunity to >buy one. >>> > >I certainly agree it was underpowered, and that was one of the reasons >I did not buy it. But if someone had come out with a 701 or equiavlent >a year later with the latest fastest processor, I would still ont have >bought it, because I find a 10" screen far too small. > >Of course tastes differ, and I am the first person as you know to insist >that you look at machines yourself to make sure you base a purchase on >your own tastes and not those of others. > >However, it is certainly the case that IBM market research indicated that >most of the market feels the way I did, that screen size is a crucial >parameter, and that 10.4" was too small, and that is why they abvandoned >the form factor. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 14:47:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA240492070; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:47:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01417; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:43:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01128; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01106; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-081.usc.edu [128.125.223.81]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA01526; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804051842.LAA01526@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:35:26 -0700 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Cc: In-Reply-To: <001d01bd6076$22bd9860$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:35 AM 4/5/98 , David Ross wrote: >> The 560's & etc. (perhaps the 600, the Sony, the Versa 5000 series, >>Digital's Hi-Note Ultra...) are in a class they're calling "Thin and >>Light". > >Somehow I don't think that "thin and light" is a category name that will >last, and I certainly think the 560 is more akin to traditional subnotes like >the 701 and the HP800 than it is to "sorta thin and sorta lights" like the >600, the Sony, and the NEC (I believe the DEC is more comparable to the 560). Well, I agree with you that the ThinkPad 600 (and frankly, the Versa 5000 series) really doesn't quite fit in with the "thin and light" thing--particularly if the 600 is as heavy as it seems to be. These machines really straddle the difference between the "thin and light" category and the "full featured" category, offered the modular ability to insert other devices like a CD-ROM or extra battery, but still remaining pretty small (within limits) in terms of thickness & weight. You know, the full-featured devices like the 770's and other hi-end notebooks are inching their way back up to the bad old days' of luggables and suitcases--their over 9 pounds! The thought of carrying *those* things makes me shudder... But your comment about the 560 being in the category of traditional subnotes just isn't something I agree with. My view of the subnotes means smaller dimensions--smaller screens, smaller keyboards (excepting the unique 701), and limited ports. The 560 does not compromise on *any* of those dimensions. It therefore, IMO, doesn't qualify as a subnotebook--which is why the "thin and light" modicum seems to me to be the appropriate term. In the other dimensions (aside from thickness and weight), the 560 is "normal" size. Ever seen the Toshiba CT series? *Those* are subnotebooks! There are people sweaing by those as PDA-type devices and recommending the use of them over palmtops, Pilots, and CE machines. The HP 620LX is the first color Win CE machine, and its size, weight, and cost put it within striking distance of a Toshiba CT machine. Many in the PDA-using community recommend just spending a couple hundred more dollars and getting a relatively full-featured Toshiba CT over the relatively impotent Win CE system. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 16:31:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA259018314; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:31:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04728; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:29:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04462; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04450; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-198.usc.edu [128.125.230.198]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA11237; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:28:38 -0700 To: allied@teleport.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Randal Whittle Subject: 701's History (Was: 560x v. 600) In-Reply-To: <9804051550.AA10708@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:50 AM 4/5/98 , Robert Dewar wrote: ><laptops that are even smaller. I liked this computer the first time I saw >it and had a chance to lay hands on it. I think that IBM probed the limits >However, it is certainly the case that IBM market research indicated that >most of the market feels the way I did, that screen size is a crucial >parameter, and that 10.4" was too small, and that is why they abvandoned >the form factor. There are a lot of partial-truths in this thread... The larger truth above & beyond all of this is IBM simply took too long bringing the 701 on-line into the market. By the time they did, market trends *were* indeed scooting toward the spectrum of features that Robert describes. Another issue is price. Long before the fire sale prices, the 701's sold for a *huge* premium--one of the most expensive models. IBM blew it on that one. When the 701's were *first* introduced (early 1995), there was quite a "wow" factor and they did rather well, except for price (which I recall being over $5K). The problem is that at the same time, Pentium portables started to come on-line. That meant a *really* big squeeze for the 701's after only a few months--too big, as it turned out. Meanwhile, IBM couldn't keep up with early demand and manufactured these things like crazy--only to have demand suddenly disappear and be left with a huge overstock that they later dumped at firesale prices. The 701's story is really one of design & manufacturing delays and then being a little too late to market to have a real "life" in it. Had it been introduced a year or even just 6 months earlier (and perhaps at a more reasonable price), nobody would dare to call it a failure. The feature set it had was second to none for that time--including that "dinky" 10.1" TFT screen. Lest we all forget, that *was* the largest screen available at the time! And IBM did a fine job of making machine no larger than the largest available screen for the time. They placed their bets on a form factor--and I think it was a good bet, given the information they had. It just took them too long to make it reality. By the time they did, larger screens were just around the corner, and larger screens were what the buying populace would soon want. To their credit, they came up with the "kite"--the 560--to answer that demand. The 560 has been wildly successful in the marketplace, so much so that others have simply copied the basic design idea. In my view, IBM created this new "Thin and Light" class starting with the 560. Bigger than a subnote, maintains many features from the full-featured notebooks, yet remains relatively thin and light like a subnote (in fact, thinner than most--thinner than the Portege's and the 701). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 18:48:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281626486; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:48:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08894; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:44:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08755; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08742; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA06597; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:41:52 -1000 Message-Id: <002e01bd60e4$68a51060$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Robert Dewar" , Cc: Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:44:34 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >But I don't see size as an advantaqge. The 701's form factor has IMHO two big advantages over that of the 560: (1) It fits better in luggage and briefcases; in particular, I have a briefcase in which the 701 fits perfectly sideways (and which I no longer use, since when I put the 560 in it *not* sideways I get a couple of inches of useless space); and (2) It fits better on small workspaces (airlplane tray tables, desk typing returns). If I could get get my 560's performance and reliability in the 701 package, I would instantly opt for the latter. - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 18:53:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA282736781; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:53:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09461; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:51:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09379; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09366; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA06633; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:48:49 -1000 Message-Id: <003301bd60e5$61862340$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "David Ross" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:51:31 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > My view of the subnotes means >smaller dimensions--smaller screens, smaller keyboards (excepting the >unique 701), and limited ports. I'm confused. This comment makes me think you view 'subnote' as a pejorative; however, your next: > Ever seen the Toshiba CT series? *Those* are subnotebooks! There are >people sweaing by those as PDA-type devices and recommending the use of >them over palmtops, [etc] ...sounds like you support these machines. My comment on categories is mainly that we shouldn't have too many of them (or it spoils the function of categorization), and that the 560 seems more naturally comparable (in daily function) to other carry-with-you-all-the-time machines like the 701 and the HP (and even the CT) than to the bigger machines. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 18:55:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA283186920; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:55:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09828; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:54:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09672; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09642; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 53.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.53]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA6946 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:53:36 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:53:31 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <352b0b0a.23451412@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <002e01bd60e4$68a51060$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <002e01bd60e4$68a51060$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:44:34 -1000, you wrote: >The 701's form factor has IMHO two big advantages over that of the 560: >(1) It fits better in luggage and briefcases; in particular, I have a >briefcase in which the 701 fits perfectly sideways (and which I no longer >use, since when I put the 560 in it *not* sideways I get a couple of inches >of useless space); and (2) It fits better on small workspaces (airlplane tray >tables, desk typing returns). If I could get get my 560's performance and >reliability in the 701 package, I would instantly opt for the latter. You mean, "in a Thinkpad," right? The Toshiba 320CT Porteges cover the ground well enough, I'd think. And HP's Omnibook is a good system, if they'd only drop that stupid right-hand only mouse. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 19:58:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA295110737; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:58:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12450; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:56:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12350; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12335; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-089.usc.edu [128.125.230.89]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA00279; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804052356.QAA00279@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:55:08 -0700 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Cc: "David Ross" , In-Reply-To: <003301bd60e5$61862340$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:51 PM 4/5/98 , David Ross wrote:
>> My view of the subnotes means
>>smaller dimensions--smaller screens, smaller keyboards (excepting the
>>unique 701), and limited ports.
>
>I'm confused.=A0 This comment makes me think you view 'subnote' as a
>pejorative; however, your next:

No, I don't view it as a perjorative--I just think there are good reasons & criteria from seperating the class from "Thin and Light".  The 701 is a subnote with a full-size keyboard & large display (for the time).  The 560 is too big to be considered a subnote--but its thinner and for that matter, also lighter.  I think it can and should be considered a new class of notebook, significantly differentiated from subnotes.  Of course, there may be some crossover, but that's to be expected (just as there is some blurring & crossover between classes of cars).

>> Ever seen the Toshiba CT series?=A0 *Those* are subnotebooks!=A0 There are
>>people sweaing by those as PDA-type devices and recommending the use of
>>them over palmtops, [etc]
>
>...sounds like you support these machines.

I neither support nor "don't" suport them.  I think whatever people want, the market (hopefully) can provide.  Your needs/wants are different from mine & vice versa.

>My comment on categories is mainly that we shouldn't have too many of them
>(or it spoils the function of categorization), and that the 560 seems more
>naturally comparable (in daily function) to other carry-with-you-all-the-time
>machines like the 701 and the HP (and even the CT) than to the bigger
>machines.

I'd just disagree with the belief that "there shouldn't be too many categories".  Or maybe its just a definition of how many is too many?  Here's the way I see them:

- Full-Function (Desktop replacements--the 770 series, Toshiba Tecras.  Almost no feature compromises at all.)
- Lightweight Modulars (These are just beginning to come out.  It would include the TP 600 and the NEC Versa 5000 series.  They split the difference between Thin & Light and Full-Function, allowing for *pretty* thin (about 1.5") and *pretty* light (about 5 to 6 lbs.), while allowing limited ability to swap out a Floppy, CD, or Battery.
- Thin & Light (560's, Digital Hi-Note, certain Sony notebooks)
- Subnotes (seem to be trailing off, but 701 & Toshiba Portege's fit here--I already described what these gain & lack, but they are largely being supplanted by the Thin & Light machines)
- Micro Subnotes (Toshiba Libretto CT machines, Hitachi's Visionbook Traveler--these run around 2 to 3 lbs. and have *very* small screens (like 6 to 8").
- Palmtops & PDA's.  These cover all Win CE machines, the HP 200LX, PalmPilot, Palm PC, Psion, etc.  They're all about the size of a large calculator, usually under 1 lb., and have *very* limited ports & expansion capability.  They also don't use Intel x86 CPUs.

If you ignore the Palmtop/PDA stuff, that means 5 distinct classes of notebooks (my classifications, anyway).  If, as I believe, the subnotes go away in favor of either Thin & Lights or Micro Subnotes, that would leave 4 classes.  Off hand, that's what I believe will happen--the only viable subnote I can see left in the market is the Portege.

Is there some blurring between?  Some.  But largely, I think these categories of notebook computer all stand by themselves.  Depends on what you want.  When I bought my 750C, it was (then) a Full-Featured notebook (in 1994, that was as close as it got to a desktop replacement--considering Pentiums were just barely introduced on the desktop, the 750C's 486-33 was as good as it got for notebooks).  I then got a 701C because I liked the smaller form factor without compromising the keyboard.  I later got a 560 because I wanted a faster machine than the 701 (and they discontinued the 701 and didn't make faster ones with Pentiums) and the larger SVGA screen didn't hurt my feelings either.  I learned from my 750C that I'm not fond of toting heavy notebook machines (and today's full-featured's are heavier than the 750C ever was!).

Personally, I've settled into the Thin & Light or Lightweight Modular class.  I gave up on the Full-Functioned's because (A) I don't want to spend that kind of money ($5 to $7K), (B) I don't like carrying 9+ pounds, and (C) I have a desktop machine--I don't need to replace it.  I use the notebook for portability and convenience (like surfing the web from my couch while watching TV) and my desktop when I've got more hardcore work to do and want the peripherals (scanner, removable drives, tape backups), beefier CPU, and screen real estate (mainly page layout work where I have the benefit of a 20" screen at 1600x1200 resolution).  I recently figured it might be convenient to go to the Lightweight Modular class just so I can more easily plug in a CD drive, yet still travel "empty" for the benefit of weight (about 1 lb. more than I have with my 560--I think still doable).

I don't want the subnotes because their keyboards are too cramped (or miniaturized) and a palmtop is fine if you just want an addressbook/calendar (I do use one), but not for regular computing work.  The *can* do E-mail & etc., but its painful on the eyes...

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Randal J. Whittle          whittle@usc.edu         (213) 740-7775
Director, Electronic Commerce Program
Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California
From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 21:19:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA009145551; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:19:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16355; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:12:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16179; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16151; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts02.loop.net (p20.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.95]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA24278; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804060111.SAA24278@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Robert Dewar" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 17:12:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701: Warp Connect v. Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Apr 98 07:53:28 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >This seems a bit off topic for TP, but I am reporting OS/2 performance >on TP, so I guess it is OK :-) > >I just want to note that HPFS386 makes a HUGE difference to performance >on a machine with decent memory (I have 140 megs and use a 50 meg disk >cache). It's night and day. FOr example, linking the compiler I am working >on (GNAT, an Ada 95 compiler with a very nice OS/2 port), used to take >90 seconds with HPFS and a maximum sized cache. It now takes 4 seconds. > So, should I change the IFS line in my CONFIG.SYS to what it says on my Warp Server machine (I've already had HPFS386 in a directory here)? How much memory is enough to see a noticable difference? I have 24 MB on both servers, and this ThinkPad. Thanks. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 7h 15m 37s 765ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 22:08:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA019518512; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:08:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14549; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:50:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14269; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14169; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts02.loop.net (p20.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.95]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21592; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804060048.RAA21592@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "LPL" <71420666@email.msn.com>, "Randal Whittle" , "richard" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 03:17:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:31:32 +0100, LPL wrote: >I had a 560 with a 133 and 40 megs of RAM. Stolen recently. It was faster >than my new 560X with 32 megs and a 233MMX. Now that I've added 64 megs >more RAM to the 560X ($239 at CDW) it is fast and acceptable. Unreal! >There's something wrong. > Believe me, adding RAM makes a HUGE difference in performance and speed. When I upgraded this machine at first to 24MB, it was like I got a new machine altogether. Even upgrading my desktop and server to 24MB also makes a huge difference in speed (from 16 each). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 19 Processes with 72 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 59m 40s 210ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 22:10:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA019878605; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:10:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14552; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:49:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14190; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14152; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts02.loop.net (p20.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.95]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21578; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804060048.RAA21578@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "richard" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 03:13:16 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 10:16:54 -0500, richard wrote: >I've been thinking about whether to replace my TP 560 (133mhz, active screen) >with a 560x or a 600 or to wait for something better. > >I've been leaning towards the 560x, assuming the price comes down (currently >about $3,300 - I assume it will go under $3,000 shortly). From what I read, >it's about twice as fast as the 560, has a much bigger drive (4gb v. 1 gb), can >hold much more ram (96mb v. 40mb) and has almost twice the battery life (almost >4 hrs v. about 2) > >The 600 is only about 15% faster than the 560 (PCMag benchmarks). While it has >a larger, higher resolution screen, it weighs about a pound more and the battery >life is not as good (about 3:12). I don't use cd-rom's that often, so a cd-rom >slot is of little interest. And it seems pricey - estimated street price is >$4,950. > If it's that expensive, you might as well consider the 770 if you don't mind the extra weigh too much, unless the 600 is a faster machine. Also, does the 600 have a one year warranty? It seems that all 7xx series have a 3 year warranty, while the 3xx and 5xx have a 1 year warranty (another good thing about my 701). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 19 Processes with 72 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 55m 29s 726ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 22:14:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA020818888; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:14:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14555; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:49:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14171; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14138; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts02.loop.net (p20.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.95]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21554; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804060048.RAA21554@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 03:08:41 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:49:50 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 12:08 PM 4/3/98 , Jane Loyless wrote: >>At 07:10 AM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>>Yeah, I know--the 600 series should be coming out soon that will >>>incorporate the same kind of features (at least the ability to insert a CD >>>drive--I don't know about the larger screen & etc.) >>> >> >>The TP600 looks pretty interesting from this review: >> >>http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/firstlooks/9804/f980402a.htm > > Wow...6 1/2 pounds with the CD drive in? That's almost 1 full pound >heavier than the Versa 5000 series with its CD drive in, and a *almost* 2 >1/2 pounds heavier than the 560 (which is a mere 4.1 lbs)! > > Looks to me like IBM remembered the part about "thin", but forgot the >"light". We know it can be done (adding in modularity like an insertable >CD-Drive) in less weight in these same dimensions (12" x 9.5" x 1.5" >thick), because NEC does in in the Versa 5000 series in 5.6 lbs. (with >CD-Drive in. A touch over 5 lbs. with an empty bay). So why does IBM's >stab at this weigh so much? > > Also--I'm curious: Do TFT displays weigh a significant amount? Enough to >make a significant difference between, say, a 12.1" screen and a 13.3" >screen? Or 14.1" screen? About how much would that difference be? Is it >mostly the glass (or whatever it is)? > Glass, metal, plastic, and the circuit boards. TFT's have more circuitry because they're all digital, whereas DSTN and STN would be more analog (AFAIK). If you think that's heavy, my SPARCbook is supposed to weigh 7.5 lbs, I'm assuming without the battery (since I never got one with it), and it has NO CD-ROM nor floppy (a $595 option!), however, it has a TFT and a 110MHz processor. I guess it depends on what you're used to. I used to lug around my original IBM PC around when that was my main computer, and that's 32 lbs., minus the heavy keyboard and CGA CRT!!! -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 19 Processes with 72 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 50m 42s 726ms. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 19 Processes with 72 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 50m 56s 273ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 22:44:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026500655; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:44:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19133; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:42:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19021; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19008; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts14.loop.net (p06.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.201]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA03938 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <199804060241.TAA03938@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: <199804060241.TAA03938@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "Randal Whittle" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 18:40:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:11:28 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 07:17 PM 4/4/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: >>>I had a 560 with a 133 and 40 megs of RAM. Stolen recently. It was faster >>>than my new 560X with 32 megs and a 233MMX. Now that I've added 64 megs >>>more RAM to the 560X ($239 at CDW) it is fast and acceptable. Unreal! >>>There's something wrong. >>> >>Believe me, adding RAM makes a HUGE difference in performance and speed. >> >>When I upgraded this machine at first to 24MB, it was like I got a new >machine >>altogether. Even upgrading my desktop and server to 24MB also makes a >huge difference >>in speed (from 16 each). > > In my view, 32 MB of ram is a realistic minimum for Win 95--and even then, >you're better off with 40 or 48 (or more). With Windows, you'd need that much, but I find that with OS/2, and especially Linux, 16MB runs well (on Warp 3, very well). 24-32MB is very optimal for me. The one I just installed for my dad has 32MB of RAM, and it's just cruising along. I detest using my computer at >work because it is "only" 32 MB RAM Gosh, I detest using one of my original PCs because somethings wrong, and it only shows 576K instead of 640K. For me, at least 8-16 is fine, depending on what the machine is used for, and for heavy use, 32-64 is what I will use. It all depends on the OS, and the applications run under it. (it also doesn't have any kind of video >acceleration). In fact, my 560's P120 (40 MB RAM) does a *much* better job >of functioning with all the software I run than my desktop P133 at work >with 32 MB RAM. > That's sort of surprising, considering that the 560 contains no L2 cache. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 !os2stats From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 22:47:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA027190861; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:47:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19539; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:46:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19377; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19312; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts14.loop.net (p06.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.201]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA04400; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804060245.TAA04400@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bryan Daum" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 18:46:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:08:20 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Daum wrote: >Good morning, Robert, > >I had thought you'd talk of your "keyboard pounding!";) > >On screen size: It is an issue. The new micro notebooks' screens I find >far too small and while larger is nice I have always felt that this 10" >screen was just fine. [I recall thinking 10.5" screens: WOW, now you're >talking!] Maybe I will like bigger bigger screen but I may not like the >bigger size...? > I agree. All I really need is 10.4" now, since my desktop is a 12" CRT, everything seems like the right size to me. And on my SPARCbook, it's 10.4" TFT is great, and I don't think it's too small, either. I was looking at one of the cheapo clone notebooks at a store at the mall this weekend with a 14.1" TFT, and it was nice, but I still prefer my 10.4" LCDs for now. The worst part of those if I had one, is how I'd fit it in my backpacks... >I'll add that I was disappointed to hear that the 600 is going to be >strangely heavy. Weight is a big issue if you really carry it around with >you. Keyboard feel is my biggest issue with word processing. > That's another major factor that encouraged me to buy a ThinkPad when I was getting my 355C. I liked the keyboard, since all the keys are where they're supposed to be, not in some funny location like on other major manafacturers' notebooks, and even the clones. I worked on a Gateway Solo a few months ago, and that was the WORST keyboard I have seen - flimsy, small keys, and keys is unusual places. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 8h 48m 5s 937ms. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 !os2stats From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 5 22:50:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA028151010; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:50:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19922; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:48:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19681; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19644; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts14.loop.net (p06.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.201]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA04621; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804060247.TAA04621@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "David Ross" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 18:48:16 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:55:08 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: No message? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 8h 50m 8s 945ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 02:08:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA071272923; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:08:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25226; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:03:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24857; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24788; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p23.hwts03.loop.net (p23.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.128]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA19505 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804060457.VAA19505@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 03 Apr 98 18:46:45 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I guess another thought is that both Glidepoints I've owned stopped working, and the Touchpads are just too inaccurate. Fortunately, my new SPARCbook has a Trackpoint (in fact, a Lexmark keyboard replicated from the 750), and that will be a joy to use, if I get the 701 in for service soon. As many have said, it's a matter of personal preference. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 25 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 6h 42m 8s 992ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 02:09:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA071372961; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:09:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25253; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:03:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24838; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24787; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p23.hwts03.loop.net (p23.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.128]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA19498; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:56:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804060456.VAA19498@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Michael Cole" Date: Fri, 03 Apr 98 18:43:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701: Warp Connect v. Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:00:46 EST, Michael Cole wrote: >I've just purchase a refurbrished 701C (DX75 >16MB 720MB). > >On balance, which version of OS2 is better >suited to this machine to gain the best >application performance? > >The machine will be configured for network >access, but no MM functions, and will probably >substitute PC2 for the WPS. > >Can folks out there comment on the performance >differences between Warp 4 and 3 on this >hardware? > I found that Warp 3 was easier on memory, but Warp 4 more of a joy to work in. If you're not going to use the WPS, you might consider using Warp 3. Also be sure to get FP32 or higher for Y2K support and DIVE/DART support. You don't need Java, do you? Oh, and the C&T 65545 drivers work fine on both Warp 3 and 4. For Warp 3, you should also update the Card and Socket services. It's called Play at Will, and I probably have it somewhere around here. It's included with Warp 4. Good luck. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 25 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 6h 38m 23s 882ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 02:12:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA071673137; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:12:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25201; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:03:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24813; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24778; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p23.hwts03.loop.net (p23.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.128]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA19493; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804060456.VAA19493@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Fri, 03 Apr 98 18:37:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >My concerns? That I might hate the touchpad. I've grown to really like >the Trackpoint for my notebook use. Anyone have similar Trackpoint vs. >Touchpad thoughts? > Yeah, the TrackPoint is easier to control, and more precise, but sometimes when it drifts off, that get's annoying. The Touchpad is easier to figure out, but uncomforatble, and hurts my wrist. >Another concern is the support structure I received from this community of >TP users. I don't >know that there's anything similar for Versa users (Please let me know >about it if you *do* know). This list has made my ThinkPadding a richer >experience. > >But alas, I'm not plunging in just yet. I figure I'll use the Versa for a >while and then make a decision whether to keep it. I think (hope) that if >I just don't like the feel of using it, I can sell it for near the price I >paid for it, given that I got a good deal on it to begin with. And of >course, until I decide for certain to keep the Versa, I'm not not selling >off a ThinkPad. We'll see... > >...and of course, some of you know that I not only have a 560, but when I >got the 560 my wife got the 701C (which was upgraded to the Cyrix 586/100 >CPU last December after which I did those benchmarking tests for the list). > So if I do keep the Versa, it will be an interesting question which >ThinkPad to sell. Any list members have an opinon on that? ;-) > The ThinkPad's HD can be upgraded, wheras the 560's is sealed in (this is correct, right)? Unfortunately, the 701 has the awful (IMO) keyboard, but it's still a very capable system. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 25 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 6h 32m 35s 523ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 02:13:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA071803222; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:13:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28478; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:12:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28368; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28355; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-245.usc.edu [128.125.229.245]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id XAA13046; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804060612.XAA13046@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:10:28 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: I think I'm going to defect... Cc: "TP List" In-Reply-To: <199804060456.VAA19493@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:37 PM 4/3/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: >>...and of course, some of you know that I not only have a 560, but when I >>got the 560 my wife got the 701C (which was upgraded to the Cyrix 586/100 >>CPU last December after which I did those benchmarking tests for the list). >> So if I do keep the Versa, it will be an interesting question which >>ThinkPad to sell. Any list members have an opinon on that? ;-) >> >The ThinkPad's HD can be upgraded, wheras the 560's is sealed >in (this is correct, right)? Nope. If you can open the computer, you can upgrade the HD. The only issue with the 560 is that there isn't an easily removable caddy containing the HD. But once you open up the machine, you can change it out. I upgraded my original 810 MB in the 560 to a 2.1 GB about a year ago. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 04:33:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA093461587; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:33:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03472; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:31:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03348; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03319; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA08078; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:28:29 -1000 Message-Id: <000e01bd6136$5c86ac60$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: IBM701,560, HP, Tosh (was: Re: 560x v. 600) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:31:12 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I said: >>tables, desk typing returns). If I could get get my 560's performance and >>reliability in the 701 package, I would instantly opt for the latter. epbrown said: > You mean, "in a Thinkpad," right? The Toshiba 320CT Porteges cover >the ground well enough, I'd think. And HP's Omnibook is a good system, >if they'd only drop that stupid right-hand only mouse. Not necessarily (though as epbrown knows, I've been accused on Usenet of being an agent of IBM:); my only objection to the HP is the keyboard (I've never had my hands on the Toshiba). I shared a flat during a conference 2 years ago with an HP600 owner, and got to play with his machine for a bit; I was pleasantly surprised at the *feel* of his keyboard, but not the size - I like full-sized. BTW, I found the pop-up mouse quite usable, though of course I *am* right-handed. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 04:42:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA095052147; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:42:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03989; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:41:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03891; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03878; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA08110; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:38:58 -1000 Message-Id: <002301bd6137$d3799ca0$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: TFT weight (was: Re: I think I'm going to defect...) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:41:42 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> Also--I'm curious: Do TFT displays weigh a significant amount? Enough to >Glass, metal, plastic, and the circuit boards. TFT's have more circuitry because they're >all digital, whereas DSTN and STN would be more analog (AFAIK). I don't think that DSTN is any more analog than TFT, and the extra circuitry in the latter would consist of a handful of chips, hardly a major weight-producer. >If you think that's heavy, my SPARCbook is supposed to weigh 7.5 lbs, I'm I have a Micron which is heavier, but don't consider it a 'laptop':-) >I guess it depends on what you're used to. I used to lug around my original IBM PC around when that I can match that - try cross-country skiing across a frozen lake with a Morrow MicroDecision (CP/M, circa 1981) strapped to your back! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 07:26:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA116772017; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:26:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13651; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:25:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13503; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13491; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 174.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.174]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA12246 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:24:35 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: Subject: Re: IBM701,560, HP, Tosh (was: Re: 560x v. 600) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:24:30 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <3529b785.617373@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <000e01bd6136$5c86ac60$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <000e01bd6136$5c86ac60$0f02000a@t.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:31:12 -1000, you wrote: >Not necessarily (though as epbrown knows, I've been accused on Usenet of >being an agent of IBM:); my only objection to the HP is the keyboard (I've >never had my hands on the Toshiba). I shared a flat during a conference 2 >years ago with an HP600 owner, and got to play with his machine for a bit; I >was pleasantly surprised at the *feel* of his keyboard, but not the size - I >like full-sized. BTW, I found the pop-up mouse quite usable, though of >course I *am* right-handed. I had no problem with the HP 800 keyboard I tried out, but at the time I was still regularly using the keyboard on my Thinkpad 510, and it seemed larger than that. I've got fairly large hands (they match my big ol' feet, size 15!), but didn't have too much trouble adjusting. But that mouse! The problem is the first computer I ever ran Windows on was a Thinkpad and I can't get used to removing my hands from the keyboard to move my cursor. At work I'm known for my terrible mousing skills because it seems so ridiculous. You stop what you're doing and move your hand waaaay over there just to move your cursor? Yeck! So people who're used to that love the HP 800, while I see it as the only notebook to drag along one of the worst features of desktop computing. epbrown PS As an aside to DR, I just exchanged email with the guy who accused us of being undercover IBM reps on CSL- he needed help setting up low-cost video-conferencing on his IBM 385, and I had some tips since I just bought a $24 QuickCam to use with NetMeeting (free) and my 56k modem (already had). PPS You were partially right about Sony, you may have heard. You said months ago they jump in and out of the PC business, and they're taking a foot out - they've decided to focus on laptops and drop the desktop division, where everyone plays too rough and they weren't as well received. Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 08:36:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA126586172; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:36:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15843; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:30:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15554; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15536; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ixswykpv - 194.69.110.229 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:29:04 -0700 Message-Id: <00ae01bd6157$968fd6e0$b5e901c0@ixswykpv> From: "LPLarsen" <71420666@email.msn.com> To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:28:57 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01BD615F.F3E991C0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01BD615F.F3E991C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0085_01BD615F.F3E991C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0085_01BD615F.F3E991C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought some of you might be interested in the Thinkpads here. You = don't see many 701c's on the market at these prices. It does seem, = however, that more and more are cming on the second-hand circuit. Don't know the sellers so be wary as with any private Internet deals. = Most of mine have been OK but I have gotten burned once for a small = amount. Larry Larsen -----Original Message----- From: Classifieds2000 To: 71420666@msn.com <71420666@msn.com> Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 9:11 AM Subject: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Greetings from Classifieds2000 Cool Notify! =20 Search Results=20 =20 We found 5 computers meeting your search = criteria. Click on an item to see more details. =20 # Brand - Model Speed = Color Price Phone Number ST=20 =20 =20 1. IBM 365XD 150MHz * $1,250 = AZ =20 =20 =20 2. IBM 360C 50MHz * $540 = FL =20 =20 =20 3. IBM 701C 50MHz * $525 = FL =20 =20 =20 4. IBM 701c 75MHz * $725 = FL =20 =20 =20 5. 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------=_NextPart_000_0084_01BD615F.F3E991C0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 09:21:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA133738886; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:21:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20339; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:18:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20134; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20120; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts1port9.port.net (ts1port9.port.net [207.38.248.9]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18337; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:17:13 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:17:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3540d5c5.109473136@mail.interport.net> References: <199804060048.RAA21578@stevie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199804060048.RAA21578@stevie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 05 Apr 98 03:13:16 , "Paul Khoury" wrote: >If it's that expensive, you might as well consider the 770 if you don't mind the extra weigh too >much, unless the 600 is a faster machine. The extra weight is a major factor. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 11:27:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA156606460; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:27:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29169; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:22:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28962; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28949; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PRITZR (ts1port36.port.net [207.38.248.36]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08630 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:20:56 -0400 Message-Id: <3528f257.110349907@mail.interport.net> References: <199804060048.RAA21592@stevie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199804060048.RAA21592@stevie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 05 Apr 98 03:17:30 , "Paul Khoury" wrote: >On Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:31:32 +0100, LPL wrote: > >>I had a 560 with a 133 and 40 megs of RAM. Stolen recently. It was faster >>than my new 560X with 32 megs and a 233MMX. Now that I've added 64 megs >>more RAM to the 560X ($239 at CDW) it is fast and acceptable. Unreal! >>There's something wrong. >> >Believe me, adding RAM makes a HUGE difference in performance and speed. > >When I upgraded this machine at first to 24MB, it was like I got a new machine >altogether. Even upgrading my desktop and server to 24MB also makes a huge difference >in speed (from 16 each). I know that going from 8 (or 16) to 24 or 32 can make a huge difference. I wonder how much of a difference going from 32 to 64 would make. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 12:45:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA171871150; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:45:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05246; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:41:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04981; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04944; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25161; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:41:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (pcp098644pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA25156; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:41:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980406123548.009edc30@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:35:48 -0400 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: 32MB vs. 64MB In-Reply-To: <3528f257.110349907@mail.interport.net> References: <199804060048.RAA21592@stevie.loop.com> <199804060048.RAA21592@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:20 AM 4/6/98 -0400, richard wrote: >I know that going from 8 (or 16) to 24 or 32 can make a huge difference. I >wonder how much of a difference going from 32 to 64 would make. > Depends on what you're running, so YMMV. But I just upped my TP760XL from 32MB to 64MB. I'm typically running NT40 SP3, Office97 SR1, Eudora v3.0, Netscape v3.x, Agent, TapCIS, Quicken - the difference is like night and day. 32MB was fine until I added SP3 to NT40 and SR1 to Office97 - after that, everything ran like it was slogging through thick mud. I could hear the machine give a sigh of relief when I installed the additional 32MB last week. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 21:52:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA289683957; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:52:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07766; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:48:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07565; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07553; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infinia - 153.35.41.206 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:47:35 -0700 Message-Id: <004c01bd61c6$fef17da0$ce292399@infinia> From: "alzh" To: Subject: Some Thinkpad accessories (Hard drive, TV tuner, 28.8modem) for sale Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:46:27 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have the following two Thinkpad accessories for sale: 528MB hard drive for Thinkpad 701 asking $70 TV tuner for Thinkpad 750/755 asking $80 Megahertz 28.8 modem asking $30 Al Zhou alzh@msn.com (770)841-3675 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 22:06:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA292974788; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:06:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09333; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:05:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09142; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09105; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA03746; Mon, 6 Apr 98 22:02:37 EDT Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 22:02:37 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804070202.AA03746@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701: Warp Connect v. Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> 24M seems so small that it is unlikely HPFS386 would make sense on such a machine. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 6 22:07:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA293194824; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:07:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08679; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:59:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08398; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08370; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA03149; Mon, 6 Apr 98 21:56:36 EDT Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 21:56:36 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804070156.AA03149@nile.gnat.com> To: allied@teleport.com, rwhittle@usa.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701's History (Was: 560x v. 600) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu << The larger truth above & beyond all of this is IBM simply took too long bringing the 701 on-line into the market. By the time they did, market trends *were* indeed scooting toward the spectrum of features that Robert describes. Another issue is price. Long before the fire sale prices, the 701's sold for a *huge* premium--one of the most expensive models. IBM blew it on that one. >> I am typical of the kind of customer IBM is aiming at with high level notebooks (many of the readers of this newsgroup are not :-) I found the price of the 701 perfectly reasonable. I would have bought one immediately *if* I could have taken the memory up beyond the totally unacceptable 40meg limit at the time and *if* it had had a Pentium. But now, the form factor is of no interest to me, since a 10.4" screen is simply too small. I find the 560 much more attractive. But as long as I can get more power for more weight, it's worth it to me, which is why I bought my 770. P.S. just came back from trip to London and Paris, how nice to watch DVD movies on my notebook on the plane and train. By the way, contrary to what I had read in the documentation, there is no problem in playing movies in a custom sized non-full-screen window. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 01:14:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA034926050; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:14:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16878; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:11:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16692; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16678; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p08.hwts12.loop.net (p08.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.143]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA11494; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804070510.WAA11494@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "LPLarsen" <71420666@email.msn.com>, "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 06 Apr 98 22:11:32 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:28:57 +0100, LPLarsen wrote: > > The next time you send attachments, can you please make them readable? I cannot read them, and they appear as AT0000x.ATT (x being 1 and up). Thanks, -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 26 Processes with 90 Threads. This machine's uptime is 3d 9h 6m 43s 867ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 01:36:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA038907375; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:36:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18101; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:35:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18020; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.19.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18008; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-077.usc.edu [128.125.230.77]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA25952; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:29:04 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Cc: "LPLarsen" <71420666@email.msn.com>, "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <199804070510.WAA11494@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:11 PM 4/6/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: >The next time you send attachments, can you please make them readable? >I cannot read them, and they appear as AT0000x.ATT (x being 1 and up). Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML mail. Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web page in my E-Mail. It wasn't an attachment per se, it was a mailing format that some people's mailers just can't read. Personally, I liked getting it. :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 02:09:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA045919368; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:09:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19626; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:08:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19533; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from munich.netsurf.de (laurin.munich.netsurf.de [194.64.166.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19521; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tp560e (ns2124.munich.netsurf.de [195.180.232.124]) by munich.netsurf.de (8.8.5/8.7) with SMTP id IAA25130; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:02:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804070602.IAA25130@munich.netsurf.de> From: "Hans Juergen Rauscher" To: "matcho essawy" Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 15:46:45 +0100 Reply-To: "Hans Juergen Rauscher" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: iomega Zip Drive 100MB Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Matcho, >Can I install iomega Zip Drive 100MB internal drive in the 380ED >ThinkPad 3.5 FDD bay i don't think so, because the ZIP drives which are offerd by iomega OEM's (VTS?) require a UltraBay II or III which is only available in 7xx series of ThinkPads. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 05:41:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA078022108; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:41:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02905; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:18:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27592; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27473; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA23322; Tue, 7 Apr 98 05:15:25 EDT Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 05:15:25 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804070915.AA23322@nile.gnat.com> To: pkhoury@loop.com, rwhittle@usa.net Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Cc: 71420666@email.msn.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu << Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML mail. Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web >> It is inappropraite to send HTML mail on a mailing list like this. I just discarded the message, and many others will too! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 08:42:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA102312920; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:42:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08172; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:37:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07933; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gte.com (h132-197-8-26.gte.com [132.197.8.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07921; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jsokolov.gte.com by gte.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) Message-Id: <199804071237.IAA13759@gte.com> X-Sender: jls5@pophost.gte.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:35:12 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jeff Sokolov Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In this discussion, many folks have focused on the CD-ROM piece of the Ultra-bay insert that comes with the 600. For me, having an internal floppy is a nice addition. I'm curious how many of you that travel with your 560, take along the external floppy drive? -- Jeff ----------------------------------------------- Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) Senior Member of the Technical Staff Service Concept Design Department GTE Laboratories Incorporated 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 Waltham, MA 02154 (617) 466-4042 (phone) (617) 466-4035 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 08:46:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA103413160; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:46:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08716; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:43:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08462; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08428; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA27750; Tue, 7 Apr 98 08:41:36 EDT Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 08:41:36 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804071241.AA27750@nile.gnat.com> To: jls5@gte.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu just a quick comment here. I really like the 770 design where the internal floppy and external floppy are the same gizmo! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 08:56:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA104483792; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:56:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09485; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:55:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09403; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.kemira.com (ns.kemira.com [137.33.254.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09387; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.kemira.com; id PAA00969; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:56:53 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199804071256.PAA00969@ns.kemira.com> Received: from hkipivdo.fin.kemira.com(137.33.1.208) by ns.kemira.com via smap (3.2) id xma000906; Tue, 7 Apr 98 15:56:34 +0300 From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:55:45 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199804071237.IAA13759@gte.com> Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 at 08:35 AM you, Jeff Sokolov , said: >In this discussion, many folks have focused on the CD-ROM piece of the >Ultra-bay insert that comes with the 600. For me, having an internal >floppy is a nice addition. I'm curious how many of you that travel with >your 560, take along the external floppy drive? I have a 701 which - like the 560 - features an external floppy drive. For me it's a definite plus, because I very seldom use it anyway: I'm connected to a LAN both at home and at work and I normally don't need to exchange files or install software when travelling. Weight is everything when travelling and it's nice not to have to carry anything superfluous. I'd buy a 560 over a 600 any time. Of course not everybody is the same and it's good IBM is catering for everyone's tastes :-) Dominique From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 09:26:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA108755574; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:26:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11145; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:25:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11057; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11043; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:25:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06572; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27070; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 852565DF.004A0E33 ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:28:52 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: jls5@gte.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <852565DF.00496CF4.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:22:43 -0400 Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Also, the hot swapping feature of Ultra Bay II is really slick... dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) on 04/07/98 08:41:36 AM To: jls5@gte.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 just a quick comment here. I really like the 770 design where the internal floppy and external floppy are the same gizmo! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 10:07:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115898042; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:07:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14537; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:05:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14382; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.rimco.com (zeus.rimco.com [206.113.1.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14370; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zeus with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:55:57 -0400 Message-Id: <31183FB37EF0CF11A24C00A02468EB9E146A86@zeus> From: "Ronald M. Egalka" To: "'dewar@gnat.com'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: 701's History (Was: 560x v. 600) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:55:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I also enjoy the 770's power and DVD. I'm scheduled to be in Paris on business and wonder if you have any tips on voltage converters, etc. Ronald M. Egalka regalka@rimco.com President Rampart Investment Management Co., Inc. http://www.rimco.com I find the 560 much more attractive. But as long as I can get more power for more weight, it's worth it to me, which is why I bought my 770. P.S. just came back from trip to London and Paris, how nice to watch DVD movies on my notebook on the plane and train. By the way, contrary to what I had read in the documentation, there is no problem in playing movies in a custom sized non-full-screen window. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 10:10:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA116498222; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:10:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15071; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:09:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14884; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14817; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00049; Tue, 7 Apr 98 10:06:58 EDT Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 10:06:58 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804071406.AA00049@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, regalka@rimco.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 701's History (Was: 560x v. 600) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu no problem with voltage converters, you only need a shape shifter, which you can get in the airport for a few bucks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 11:06:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA126001611; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18793; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18607; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18579; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-048.usc.edu [128.125.223.48]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA04892; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804071504.IAA04892@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:02:45 -0700 To: Jeff Sokolov From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199804071237.IAA13759@gte.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:35 AM 4/7/98 , Jeff Sokolov wrote: >In this discussion, many folks have focused on the CD-ROM piece of the >Ultra-bay insert that comes with the 600. For me, having an internal >floppy is a nice addition. I'm curious how many of you that travel with >your 560, take along the external floppy drive? Almost never--unless I know in advance (or think) I will need it. Since a floppy is almost never necessary, it is a pleasure not to have to carry it unless I choose to. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 11:06:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA126041614; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18780; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18591; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18571; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-048.usc.edu [128.125.223.48]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA04885; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804071504.IAA04885@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:00:15 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Cc: 71420666@email.msn.com In-Reply-To: <9804070915.AA23322@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:15 AM 4/7/98 , Robert Dewar wrote: ><< Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML mail. >Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, >but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing >how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. > > For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through >perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web >>> > >It is inappropraite to send HTML mail on a mailing list like this. I just >discarded the message, and many others will too! What's inappropriate about it? Is there a rule buried in the list rules somewhere saying you can't or shouldn't? Its not a huge waste of bandwidth (as an attached binary would be). Basically, if you have the kind of mailer that can read it, you saw it--if not, you deleted it. What's the big deal? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 11:21:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA128662513; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:21:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20191; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20058; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19842; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06225 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:13:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA12023 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6216.7C89F360@ntmail.tiac.net>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:35 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: [List Maint] Non-Text postings Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I had problems reading it using the latest version of Microsoft Exchange. It showed it as a bunch of files and I could not display the HTML with an external reader when I clicked on the attachments. So I just chucked it. In general it is better to post a url instead of all the relevant pages. All my mailers have the capability to turn a email url into a link and I just click on it. I person without the capability can cut and paste into a browser. Plus it makes the message smaller. If we allow HTML messages then we might as well include binary postings as well. Include several gif files and they are similar in message size. I belong to other mailing lists that do not allow either. I prefer it. Unfortunately it is getting more difficult to just send plain text as the newer versions of browsers that can do email default to sending all kinds of junk (even two copies, one plain, one with formatting). I find that being able to do fancy formatting does not add to the message and sometimes due to a small font size or color chosen difficult to read. These features seem to be thought up by marketing types for the whiz-bang factor rather than the practical factor. They seem to think every one on the Internet is running Windows 95 or NT with the latest browser. I subscribe to this list for thinkpad information, not because the messages look pretty. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU >---------- >From: Randal Whittle[SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 1:29 AM >To: Paul Khoury >Cc: LPLarsen; ThinkPad List >Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers > >At 11:11 PM 4/6/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: >>The next time you send attachments, can you please make them readable? >>I cannot read them, and they appear as AT0000x.ATT (x being 1 and up). > > Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML mail. >Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, >but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing >how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. > > For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through >perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web >page in my E-Mail. > > It wasn't an attachment per se, it was a mailing format that some people's >mailers just can't read. Personally, I liked getting it. :-) > >------- >Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >Director, Electronic Commerce Program >Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 11:25:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA129192738; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:25:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21178; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:24:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21063; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfenet.com (ratty.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21032; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plew-new.seatimes.com (sea-ts1-p69.wolfenet.com [204.157.98.16]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01128 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804071524.IAA01128@wolfenet.com> X-Sender: pele@popserv.wolfenet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:25:03 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Lewis Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers In-Reply-To: <199804071504.IAA04885@almaak.usc.edu> References: <9804070915.AA23322@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:00 AM 4/7/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 02:15 AM 4/7/98 , Robert Dewar wrote: >><< Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML >mail. >>Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, >>but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing >>how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. >> >> For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through >>perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web >>>> >> >>It is inappropraite to send HTML mail on a mailing list like this. I just >>discarded the message, and many others will too! > > What's inappropriate about it? Is there a rule buried in the list rules >somewhere saying you can't or shouldn't? > > Its not a huge waste of bandwidth (as an attached binary would be). >Basically, if you have the kind of mailer that can read it, you saw it--if >not, you deleted it. What's the big deal? > >------- >Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >Director, Electronic Commerce Program >Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > The "big deal," as you put it Randy, is that the primary purpose of this list is to share information. To the degree that you suppress information by sending it in a form that's not universally accessible, you do a disservice to all. For that reason, you will find that it's generally accepted practice in newsgroups (which I would consider this list to most closely resemble) to send in plain text. That may not be the "coolest" technology, but it includes the most people. -- Peter Lewis pele@wolfenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 11:38:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA131783516; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:38:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22509; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:37:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22382; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.19.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22352; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-048.usc.edu [128.125.223.48]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA11489 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804071537.IAA11489@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:37:10 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers In-Reply-To: <199804071524.IAA01128@wolfenet.com> References: <199804071504.IAA04885@almaak.usc.edu> <9804070915.AA23322@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:25 AM 4/7/98 , Peter Lewis wrote: >The "big deal," as you put it Randy, is that the primary purpose of this >list is to share information. To the degree that you suppress information >by sending it in a form that's not universally accessible, you do a >disservice to all. For that reason, you will find that it's generally >accepted practice in newsgroups (which I would consider this list to most >closely resemble) to send in plain text. That may not be the "coolest" >technology, but it includes the most people. What you're missing Peter, is that choice is the *sender's* perogative. If the sender *chooses* to send it in a form that fewer people can read, that's his choice. He should do so knowing in advance that it won't be universally readable, but that shouldn't prevent him from sending it. It certainly doesn't impose the bandwidth issues that sending a binary does, so it should not be an issue that gets anyone excited. Can't see it? Delete it. Obviously the sender didn't care enough about you to send it in a plain text form. It was his mistake (unless he weighed the alternatives and felt sending with fancy formatting was necessary). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 11:43:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA132433820; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:43:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23162; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:42:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22965; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22945; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA01692; Tue, 7 Apr 98 11:39:53 EDT Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 11:39:53 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804071539.AA01692@nile.gnat.com> To: rwhittle@usa.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu << If the sender *chooses* to send it in a form that fewer people can read, that's his choice. He should do so knowing in advance that it won't be universally readable, but that shouldn't prevent him from sending it. It certainly doesn't impose the bandwidth issues that sending a binary does, so it should not be an issue that gets anyone excited. Can't see it? Delete it. Obviously the sender didn't care enough about you to send it in a plain text form. It was his mistake (unless he weighed the alternatives and felt sending with fancy formatting was necessary). >> Well sure it is the sender's choice, but it is annoying to readers. This mailing list is *just* worth being on for me, but it is marginal. If a lot of messages started appearing in junk formats like this, I would get off it. Of course that's probably reasonable anyway. Maybe I will at this stage anyway. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 12:03:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA136665012; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:03:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24693; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:57:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24542; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24526; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id IAA00280; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.cadence.com(158.140.128.33) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma891964622.000273; Tue, 7 Apr 98 08:57:02 -0700 Received: (from perley@localhost) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.8/8.8.5) id IAA10219; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199804071557.IAA10219@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers To: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199804071537.IAA11489@almaak.usc.edu> from Randal Whittle at "Apr 7, 98 08:37:10 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL5 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > If the sender *chooses* to send it in a form that fewer people can read, > that's his choice. He should do so knowing in advance that it won't be > universally readable, but that shouldn't prevent him from sending it. > He can also send his message in Esperanto, perhaps believing that the universal language will be universally readable. Besides any bandwidth issues, the message in quesiton had a lot of attachments, each of which brings up a prompt asking whether to save, view, or skip. -Don Perley From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 12:18:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA139915934; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:18:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26474; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:16:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26202; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26146; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.65.130.88]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAC3238; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:15:14 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley K. Chen" To: "Teresa Selling" Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: notebook peripherals forsale Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:50 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980407161508.AAC3238@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Teresa, I bought a Dock II from you a couple of months ago and had my friend Eric pick it up for me. I have set up the dock and it works fine except for the CD-ROM. My 701 seems to have trouble with the driver somehow. Did you run into any problems with either the drivers or resource conflicts. Any words of advise would be helpful. Stanley K. Chen Texas Tech Univeristy: Dept of Housing & Dining s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 12:23:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA140426234; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:23:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27021; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:22:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26905; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26870; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id JAA05263; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00041F70; Tue, 7 Apr 98 08:26:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:26:01 -0700 Message-Id: <00041F70.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, rpritz@interport.net (richard) Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.397269198" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.397269198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I'm coming in late to this thread, so excuse me if this point has already been made: you can add a 64 MB SO-DIMM to a 560, thus increasing the total ram to 64 + your base memory (8 or 16??. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: 560x v. 600 Author: rpritz@interport.net (richard) at Internet Date: 4/4/98 10:16 AM I've been thinking about whether to replace my TP 560 (133mhz, active screen) with a 560x or a 600 or to wait for something better. I've been leaning towards the 560x, assuming the price comes down (currently about $3,300 - I assume it will go under $3,000 shortly). From what I read, it's about twice as fast as the 560, has a much bigger drive (4gb v. 1 gb), can hold much more ram (96mb v. 40mb) and has almost twice the battery life (almost 4 hrs v. about 2) The 600 is only about 15% faster than the 560 (PCMag benchmarks). While it has a larger, higher resolution screen, it weighs about a pound more and the battery life is not as good (about 3:12). I don't use cd-rom's that often, so a cd-rom slot is of little interest. And it seems pricey - estimated street price is $4,950. Any thoughts, reactions, considerations, etc. would be appreciated. btw, http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/firstlooks/9804/f980402a.htm has a review of the 600 --IMA.Boundary.397269198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail-oak-3.pilot.net (198.232.147.18) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000417F6; Sat, 4 Apr 98 07:23:36 -0800 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-oak-3.pilot.net with ESMTP id HAA06710 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08819; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:17:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08678; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08627; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts2p23.port.net (usrts2p23.port.net [207.237.105.23]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06814 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:16:57 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560x v. 600 Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 10:16:54 -0500 Message-ID: <35274c3c.20929015@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.397269198-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 12:28:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA140986479; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:27:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27671; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:26:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27491; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27429; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA04473; Tue, 7 Apr 98 12:23:59 EDT Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 12:23:59 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9804071623.AA04473@nile.gnat.com> To: jls5@gte.com, rwhittle@usa.net Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The only real reason to travel with a floppy is to have a backup medium. It is foolhardly on the road to trust your hard disk too much. What I do is to take a PCMCIA disk to use for such backups. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 12:41:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA144107297; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:41:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29095; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:40:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28973; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.19.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28958; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-191.usc.edu [128.125.229.191]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA29236 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804071640.JAA29236@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:40:22 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers In-Reply-To: <9804071539.AA01692@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:39 AM 4/7/98 , Robert Dewar wrote: ><< If the sender *chooses* to send it in a form that fewer people can read, >that's his choice. He should do so knowing in advance that it won't be >universally readable, but that shouldn't prevent him from sending it. >Well sure it is the sender's choice, but it is annoying to readers. This To some. But think about it--why? We all have something that annoys us. There's *plenty* of topics on this list that hold no interest at all for me--I delete them and move on. Why is this formatting issue any different than that? Delete it and move on. There's no reason why it should bother you. >mailing list is *just* worth being on for me, but it is marginal. If a lot >of messages started appearing in junk formats like this, I would get off >it. Of course that's probably reasonable anyway. Maybe I will at this stage >anyway. You left before without anyone shedding any tears. I doubt anything has changed. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 12:42:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA144437349; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:42:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29233; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:41:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29122; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.19.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29046; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-191.usc.edu [128.125.229.191]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA29225; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804071640.JAA29225@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:34:08 -0700 To: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, rpritz@interport.net (richard) In-Reply-To: <00041F70.1225@jud.ca.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:26 AM 4/7/98 , Mitchell Yee wrote: > you can add a 64 MB SO-DIMM to a 560, thus increasing the total > ram to 64 + your base memory (8 or 16??. Mitchell, are you *saying* you can do this, or are you *asking* whether this can be done? I'd be curious to know the answer to this one myself. I've come to think that maybe 48 MB isn't enough. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 13:08:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA149178880; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:08:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01557; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:06:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01437; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01406; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id KAA18680; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00041FD6; Tue, 7 Apr 98 09:01:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:00:34 -0700 Message-Id: <00041FD6.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: Randal Whittle Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, rpritz@interport.net (richard) Subject: Re[2]: 560x v. 600 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.068469198" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.068469198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Yes - I've done such a thing to my brother-in-law's TP560 (P133, TFT). A caveat though: Not all SO-DIMMS are equal. In the beginning, we pulled my 64 MB SO-DIMM (bought from the ChipMerchant) from my 760XL and stuck it into the 560. It works. So, he orders the same part from ChipMerchant. The new SO-DIMM arrives and DOESN'T work in his 560. He calls up ChipMerchant and they fire off a new one right away. Same story, it doesn't work. This time, just for fun, we stick it into my 760 and it does work. So, my brother-in-law got my old SO-DIMM and I got the new one. I suppose I should look up the chips to see if there are any differences, although that won't tell me if the SIMM cards themselves are the same. Mitchell ps: kudos to the ChipMerchant for being so helpful with us. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Author: Randal Whittle at Internet Date: 4/7/98 9:34 AM At 09:26 AM 4/7/98 , Mitchell Yee wrote: > you can add a 64 MB SO-DIMM to a 560, thus increasing the total > ram to 64 + your base memory (8 or 16??. Mitchell, are you *saying* you can do this, or are you *asking* whether this can be done? I'd be curious to know the answer to this one myself. I've come to think that maybe 48 MB isn't enough. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California --IMA.Boundary.068469198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail-oak-3.pilot.net (198.232.147.18) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00041F9F; Tue, 7 Apr 98 08:44:48 -0700 Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by mail-oak-3.pilot.net with ESMTP id JAA17180 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-191.usc.edu [128.125.229.191]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA29225; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804071640.JAA29225@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:34:08 -0700 To: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, rpritz@interport.net (richard) In-Reply-To: <00041F70.1225@jud.ca.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --IMA.Boundary.068469198-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 13:32:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA154890354; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:32:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03638; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:29:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03457; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03435; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2007646; 7 Apr 98 17:12 GMT Message-Id: <5BwpXCAbXjK1Ewq6@moab.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:19:07 +0100 To: Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 In-Reply-To: <199804071256.PAA00969@ns.kemira.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In message <199804071256.PAA00969@ns.kemira.com>, Dominique Pivard writes >On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 at 08:35 AM you, Jeff Sokolov , said: > >>In this discussion, many folks have focused on the CD-ROM piece of the >>Ultra-bay insert that comes with the 600. For me, having an internal >>floppy is a nice addition. I'm curious how many of you that travel with >>your 560, take along the external floppy drive? > >I have a 701 which - like the 560 - features an external floppy drive. For >me it's a definite plus, because I very seldom use it anyway: I'm >connected to a LAN both at home and at work and I normally don't need to >exchange files or install software when travelling. Weight is everything >when travelling and it's nice not to have to carry anything superfluous. >I'd buy a 560 over a 600 any time. Of course not everybody is the same and >it's good IBM is catering for everyone's tastes :-) > >Dominique > I had a 760CD and found switching CD-ROM and floppy inconvenient. I used the CD-ROM more than the floppy although carried both with me. Just before I sold it I bought an FDD external attachment kit and wished I'd done it long ago. It made life so much easier as both CD-ROM and floppy were available together when required and floppy could be left off when not required. I now have a 770 - a terrific machine - and the floppy connects externally without the extra kit. -- Greg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 13:34:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA155280461; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:34:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03834; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:33:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03749; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radius1.teleport.com (radius1.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03737; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pdx09-pm2-21.teleport.com (pdx12-pm2-26.teleport.com [204.202.161.122]) by radius1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10189 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804071732.KAA10189@radius1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: 701 SO-DIMM Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When first out the report was 701s could go to 24 megs but now with the 32 meg chips to 40. Will 64 meg chips work too? Could they? Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 13:51:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA158801499; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:51:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05666; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:50:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05561; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05511; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16186; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA09681; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: Randal Whittle Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers In-Reply-To: <199804071537.IAA11489@almaak.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > What you're missing Peter, is that choice is the *sender's* perogative. That may be true on this list, I don't recall it being discussed in the rules for posting. However I know of at least four mailing lists where using HTML mail will get you kicked off the list. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 13:56:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA159621812; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:56:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06292; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:55:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06135; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05986; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17989 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10316; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: floppy disk drives In-Reply-To: <9804071623.AA04473@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm still hoping to see a LS-120 replacement for the internal floppy drive. If anyone has an idea who I might suggest this to that maight be able to help it happen? On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Robert Dewar wrote: > The only real reason to travel with a floppy is to have a backup medium. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 14:05:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA161582318; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:05:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07347; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:03:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07237; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07201; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20353 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11275; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:03:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: PC Wise upgrades Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, Has anyone dealt with PC Wise? They have some thinkpad upgrades, They want $273.00 for a 32 meg module for the Tpad 360 A 5x86 upgrade for the 360 is $379.00 How do those prices sound? I'm thinking that the 360 with the old at bus and the old 16bit pcmcia card slots isn't worth spending that type of money. That perhaps I should just keep it as is at this time and save towards a Tpad with PCI and the new cardbus slots. Ideas? comments? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 15:44:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA181448290; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:44:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13475; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:40:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13233; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13192; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17685 invoked by uid 66); 7 Apr 1998 19:30:50 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 21:26 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: [List Maint] Non-Text postings To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >From: Randal Whittle[SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 1:29 AM > >To: Paul Khoury > >Cc: LPLarsen; ThinkPad List > >Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers > > > >At 11:11 PM 4/6/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: > >>The next time you send attachments, can you please make them readable? > >>I cannot read them, and they appear as AT0000x.ATT (x being 1 and up). > > > > Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML mail. > >Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, > >but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing > >how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. Randal, Netscape & Eudora & posting HTML crap in mailing lists and newsgroups is definitely not the common denominator. In the past, using the common denominator used to be a standard adhered to by about everybody on the Internet. Adherance to netiquette appears to become unpopular these days. > > For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through > >perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web > >page in my E-Mail. Go post URLs instead. Your so-called more capable mailer will interpret the URL fine so you can go and click on it. Folks with "less capable mailers" can copy & paste the URL to their favourite browser. And hey, you really don't need to send the high volume traffic to everybody. There are people out there who pay their ISP per volume. The choice what they suck down their lines is up to them, not up to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 16:18:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA189300317; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:18:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16238; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:16:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16094; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (root@lohi.clinet.fi [194.100.0.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16072; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA10641 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:15:50 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199804072015.XAA10641@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:15:38 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199804071732.KAA10189@radius1.teleport.com> Subject: Re: 701 SO-DIMM X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 at 10:32 AM you, Bryan Daum , said: >When first out the report was 701s could go to 24 megs but now with the >32 meg chips to 40. Will 64 meg chips work too? Could they? AFAIK, there are no 64MB modules for the TP701, the biggest are 32MB. I believe only Kingston and Viking Components offer the 32MB modules: http://www.kingston.com/catalog/memory/ibm168.htm http://www.vikingcomponents.com/products/ram.html Given that the TP701 is now an obsolete product, I doubt any manufacturer would start making 64MB modules for it. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 16:42:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA193461722; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:42:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19181; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:40:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19025; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (root@lohi.clinet.fi [194.100.0.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18959; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA12665 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:39:30 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199804072039.XAA12665@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:39:18 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: PC Wise upgrades X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 at 11:03 AM you, Patrick West , said: >Has anyone dealt with PC Wise? They have some thinkpad upgrades, >They want $273.00 for a 32 meg module for the Tpad 360 >A 5x86 upgrade for the 360 is $379.00 >How do those prices sound? I'm thinking that the 360 with the old at bus The price for the 32MB module sounds high. Buycomp.com lists the following prices: Simple Technology 32 MB for TP 360/750/755: $144.95 Apricorn 32 MB for TP 355/360/755CX: $182.95 To locate these prices, go to http://www.buycomp.com/bc/default.asp, then select Product Categories = Memory-Notebook and Keywords = 360. I was thinking of a 32MB module for my TP701, which buycomp.com sells at $127. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 17:25:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA202494305; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:25:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21436; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:21:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21326; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21304; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA17593 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:20:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lax-ca14-06.ix.netcom.com(204.31.111.70) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017559; Tue Apr 7 16:18:44 1998 From: "Lloyd Korn" To: Subject: DVD Drive Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:23:47 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd626b$73c73620$466f1fcc@alex> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just purchased a TP 770 with the MMX chip but I didn't get as of yet the DVD drive. Now that the new PII TP770 has come out, it appears there may be a new 2nd generation DVD/CD-DROM drive. Does anyone know if the 2nd generation drive work with the TP 770 with the MMX chip? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 17:37:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA204655035; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:37:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22859; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:34:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22750; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.19.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22737; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-230.usc.edu [128.125.229.230]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id OAA28218; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804072134.OAA28218@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:34:09 -0700 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [List Maint] Non-Text postings Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:26 PM 4/7/98 , Harald Milz wrote: >> > For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through >> >perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web >> >page in my E-Mail. > >Go post URLs instead. I would tend to agree--it is just as easy. >Your so-called more capable mailer will interpret the >URL fine so you can go and click on it. Folks with "less capable mailers" Methinks you missed the (Grin!). >can copy & paste the URL to their favourite browser. And hey, you really >don't need to send the high volume traffic to everybody. There are people >out there who pay their ISP per volume. The choice what they suck down >their lines is up to them, not up to you. Now you've hit the peeve button: (1) If one is *so* concerned with volume in their E-mail, then one *shouldn't* be subscribing to a mailing list, where 90% of the traffic is outside of the user's interest anyway. (2) Decent mailing software--*particularly* if you pay by volume--allows you to limit the size of messages coming down the pike. The message in question *wasn't* that big (I've seen as much bandwidth consumed by text alone coming from some windbags) and if it had been, you probably could have set your software to download only the headers of any message over a certain size. You wouldn't have been "hurt" one bit. Sheesh, leave it alone. The worst thing here that happened to anyone is they saw a weird message and deleted it. There's no reason to get excited about that. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 17:55:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA209186115; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24401; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:51:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24297; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver.margi.com (ntserver.margi.com [208.223.140.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24285; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bryan (208.223.140.114) by ntserver.margi.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 7 Apr 1998 14:51:38 -0700 Received: by bryan with Microsoft Mail id <01BD6234.1F9AC4E0@bryan>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:47:44 -0700 Message-Id: <01BD6234.1F9AC4E0@bryan> From: Bryan Edwards To: "'Lloyd Korn'" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: DVD Drive Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:47:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Lloyd, You are correct about the new drive. As for the MMX processor your original configuration will work just = fine with the new drive. The drivers for the DVD ROM drive are very = close if not identical to that of the CD drives.=20 My question is, if you get the new DVD drive how will you "play" the DVD = media? Regards, Bryan Bryan Edwards Channel Sales Manager Margi Systems=20 Phone: 510.657.4435 x 22 e-mail: bedwards@margi.com web: www.margi.com -----Original Message----- From: Lloyd Korn [SMTP:lpkorn@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 2:24 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: DVD Drive Just purchased a TP 770 with the MMX chip but I didn't get as of yet the = DVD drive. Now that the new PII TP770 has come out, it appears there may be = a new 2nd generation DVD/CD-DROM drive. Does anyone know if the 2nd generation drive work with the TP 770 with the MMX chip? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 7 22:56:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260344189; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:56:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06018; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:51:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05767; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radius1.teleport.com (radius1.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05737; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pdx12-pm2-06.teleport.com (pdx12-pm2-06.teleport.com [204.202.161.102]) by radius1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03785 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804080250.TAA03785@radius1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: PC Wise upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I believe the 32 MB chips are about $100 at the chip merchant. http://www.thechipmerchant.com/Price/complete.htm I just checked: $98. But I want a 64 meg chip...I wonder if one can be made up....? Bryan >I was thinking of a 32MB module for my TP701, which buycomp.com sells at >$127. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 09:37:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA062092665; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:37:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03741; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03326; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03304; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laptop (slip129-37-239-132.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.239.132]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA63496 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:30:29 GMT Message-Id: <003501bd62fa$a7eb3e80$84ef2581@laptop> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Subject: FS: Power Supply for Thinkpad 75x/76x $40 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:28:49 -0700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Still cleaning house: Power Supply for Thinkpads -- $40 -Part No. 76H0119 (85G6704) -Works in 750/755/360/355/760 Models -Two prong US on one side, Four prong IBM on other -Cable can be changed to accomodate any 100-240 VAC, 50-60 Hz -Supplies 16 VDC @2.2 A Bought as an extra supply for my Port II port replicator which I recently sold. For info of this power supply refer to: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/catalog/5ff6_6fe.html Price includes Priority Mail shipping to US addresses. COD is 4.75 extra. Save $3 if you prefer to prepay. Sorry, I have no way to accept credit cards. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 10:13:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA069494789; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:13:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06334; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06206; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from delphi.orlando.veda.com (delphi.orlando.veda.com [207.30.84.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06194; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11734 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1998 14:03:50 -0000 Received: from alfred.orlando.veda.com (207.30.85.2) by delphi.orlando.veda.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 1998 14:03:50 -0000 Received: from ALFRED/SpoolDir by alfred.orlando.veda.com (Mercury 1.40); 8 Apr 98 10:11:47 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by ALFRED (Mercury 1.40); 8 Apr 98 10:11:11 -0500 Received: from host047.orlando.veda.com (207.30.85.47) by alfred.orlando.veda.com (Mercury 1.40); 8 Apr 98 10:11:04 -0500 From: roger@jadebox.com (Roger Smith) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Oldie Newbie (Looking for 755CD's CD) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:10:34 GMT Message-Id: <352d82e6.487127652@alfred> References: <003501bd62fa$a7eb3e80$84ef2581@laptop> In-Reply-To: <003501bd62fa$a7eb3e80$84ef2581@laptop> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm a "newbie" in the Thinkpad world. I recently bought a refurbished 701CS (indirectly) from IBM Credit. My girlfriend saw it and said that her daughter (who is in college) would love something like that, so I just recently bought a refurbished 755CD from IBM Credit. The 755CD did not include the CDROM drive. Does anyone here know a good (i.e. inexpensive) source for the drive? As an aside, I was really impressed by the 701. It's small size and light weight are impressive. The display is smaller and is not active matrix, but it isn't bad. I hooked up a Zip drive to it's parallel port to use to install Win95 and everything went smoothly. The connector on the power supply for the 755CD was broken when I got it. But IBM has a 90-day warranty on their refurbished computers so they mailed me a new (not used!) replacement. I just got the power supply yesterday, so I really haven't had a chance to play with the 755. -- Roger ------------------------------- No list server? Manage an interactive mailing list on your PC with Arrow! http://www.jadebox.com/arrow/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 11:47:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA089450446; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:47:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13349; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:44:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13089; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13061; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maslow.cia-g.com (kglp@maslow.cia-g.com [207.66.82.35]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08782; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:44:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bay To: Roger Smith Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Oldie Newbie (Looking for 755CD's CD) In-Reply-To: <352d82e6.487127652@alfred> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What is the address to get refurbished IBM Thinkpad 700 series? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 12:39:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA100543580; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:39:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16931; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:38:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16820; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f31.hotmail.com [207.82.250.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16753; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11427 invoked by uid 0); 8 Apr 1998 16:36:30 -0000 Message-Id: <19980408163630.11426.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.48.31.127 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:36:28 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [206.48.31.127] From: "matcho essawy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 380 ED processor upgrade Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:36:28 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear all, I am currently having the 380 ED 166 Mhz processor, looking to upgrade to the new 266 Mhz processor that is installed in the newer 380 XD model. Any one know if that is possible or not. Thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 13:28:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA110046517; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:28:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19798; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:25:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19506; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from delphi.orlando.veda.com (delphi.orlando.veda.com [207.30.84.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19493; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12093 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1998 17:18:26 -0000 Received: from alfred.orlando.veda.com (207.30.85.2) by delphi.orlando.veda.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 1998 17:18:26 -0000 Received: from ALFRED/SpoolDir by alfred.orlando.veda.com (Mercury 1.40); 8 Apr 98 13:26:24 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by ALFRED (Mercury 1.40); 8 Apr 98 13:26:11 -0500 Received: from host047.orlando.veda.com (207.30.85.47) by alfred.orlando.veda.com (Mercury 1.40); 8 Apr 98 13:26:08 -0500 From: roger@jadebox.com (Roger Smith) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Oldie Newbie (Looking for 755CD's CD) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 17:25:36 GMT Message-Id: <3530b28b.499325361@alfred> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >What is the address to get refurbished IBM Thinkpad 700 series? I bought both of mine through Surplus Auction at: htpp://www.surplusauction.com But you can also purchase them straight from IBM: http://refurbishedpcs.financing.ibm.com/ -- Roger ------------------------------- No list server? Manage an interactive mailing list on your PC with Arrow! http://www.jadebox.com/arrow/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 16:10:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA143606240; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:10:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03766; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:03:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03574; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03440; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA17599 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081947.MAA17599@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 12:47:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TPAD 310's keyboard Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone seen the new ThinkPad 310? I saw it yesterday at CompUSA, and the keyboard is AWFUL! I can believe how they compress the keys, yet the 385 next to it has a full size keyboard. Is this the most recent model to be like that? And the other surprising thing is it didn't have those useless Windows 95 control keys, and still the keyboard is ackward. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 90 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 11h 22m 50s 507ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 16:12:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA143936327; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:12:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03936; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03804; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03728; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16836; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081942.MAA16836@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jeff Sokolov" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:44:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:35:12 -0400, Jeff Sokolov wrote: >In this discussion, many folks have focused on the CD-ROM piece of the >Ultra-bay insert that comes with the 600. For me, having an internal >floppy is a nice addition. I'm curious how many of you that travel with >your 560, take along the external floppy drive? > Even though this doesn't completely apply to me, I travel with my 701's floppy all the time. On my SPARCbook, I'm currently leaving my 4x CD-ROM at home. The floppy isn't too heavy, considering I have two backpacks anyways, and lifting and carrying these computers might be considered part of my exercise (including taking them to and >from school by bike - 4 miles). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 28m 59s 414ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 16:22:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA146146938; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:22:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06458; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:19:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01318; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01131; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16893; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081942.MAA16893@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 06:35:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: floppy disk drives Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:55:09 -0700 (PDT), Patrick West wrote: >I'm still hoping to see a LS-120 replacement for the internal floppy >drive. > >If anyone has an idea who I might suggest this to that maight be able to >help it happen? > Call IBM @ 1-800-426-3333 and ask for a design or suggestions department. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 9h 20m 9s 250ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 16:25:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA146877150; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:25:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06192; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:18:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01430; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00973; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16861; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081942.MAA16861@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com" , "Robert Dewar" Cc: "jls5@gte.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:45:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:22:43 -0400, Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: >Also, the hot swapping feature of Ultra Bay II is really slick... > > Do you swap while the machine's on, or in suspend (as I'd guess)? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 30m 21s 953ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 16:39:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA149647998; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:39:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09275; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:34:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01630; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01071; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16904; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081942.MAA16904@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 06:39:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [List Maint] Non-Text postings Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:33 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >Hello, > >I had problems reading it using the latest version of Microsoft >Exchange. >It showed it as a bunch of files and I could not display the HTML with >an external reader when I clicked on the attachments. So I just >chucked it. > >In general it is better to post a url instead of all the relevant pages. >All my mailers have the capability to turn a email url into a link and >I just click on it. I person without the capability can cut and paste >into a browser. Plus it makes the message smaller. > >If we allow HTML messages then we might as well include binary postings >as well. Include several gif files and they are similar in message >size. >I belong to other mailing lists that do not allow either. I prefer it. > >Unfortunately it is getting more difficult to just send plain text as >the newer >versions of browsers that can do email default to sending all kinds of >junk (even two copies, one plain, one with formatting). I find that >being >able to do fancy formatting does not add to the message and sometimes >due to a small font size or color chosen difficult to read. These >features >seem to be thought up by marketing types for the whiz-bang factor rather >than the practical factor. They seem to think every one on the Internet >is running Windows 95 or NT with the latest browser. > >I subscribe to this list for thinkpad information, not because the >messages >look pretty. > I agree, and think that others should at least be somewhat considerate of the extra junk that adds up. You could at least post the URL, because not everyone will want to go to the page anyways, thus meaning that you're wasting their time AND their space by sending them the file itself, especially in an unreadable form. I can read HTML code fine, but as long as the other person sends it as a legitamate filename so I can save it, and view it later. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 9h 23m 54s 54ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 17:00:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA153899232; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:00:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12680; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:52:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12119; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aengus.zorpintl.com (bootp-20-227.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.20.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12057; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from virginia.edu (aengus [127.0.0.1]) by aengus.zorpintl.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00744; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:53:09 -0400 Sender: paul@aengus.zorpintl.com Message-Id: <352BE3B3.D336D2A2@virginia.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:53:07 +0000 From: Paul Ricker Reply-To: pmr7u@virginia.edu Organization: University of Virginia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Hello References: <199804082000.QAA03150@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! Thanks for adding me to the list. About a month and a half ago I bought my TP701CS from IBM's refurbished PC website. Perhaps it belonged to someone on this list... Anyway, it's a DX4/75, DSTN, with 40 Mb RAM (upgraded from 16) and a 540 Mb drive. I'm thinking of getting a 1.4 Gb or 2.1 Gb drive. I use the internal modem at home and a LinkSys Ethernet PC-card at work, and my wife's clunky PC-card CDROM (2X, made by EXP) lets me install software. I'm running Red Hat Linux 5.0, but occasionally boot into Win 3.1 to run Maple (our university has a site license which lets one get Maple for Windows or Macintosh for $15, but it doesn't cover the Linux version :< ). A nice machine, and with 40 Mb, quite usable. I didn't expect to run 3D hydrodynamical simulations on it anyway. I do have one question: on startup (during the memory test), the machine emits a high-pitched whine which goes away once the lilo message appears. If I turn up the LCD brightness to maximum, it returns. The brightness control doesn't seem to have any effect anyway, so I typically keep it turned down. So I guess I really have two questions: (1) is this an indication of impending LCD failure, or just an annoying quirk, and (2) does the brightness control work on anyone else's machine? The contrast control seems to work just fine, and I've simply relied on that to adjust the readability of the screen. Paul -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul M. Ricker Research Associate University of Virginia Department of Astronomy Charlottesville, VA 22903 pmr7u@virginia.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 17:01:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA154069316; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:01:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12632; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:52:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12290; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12247; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804082052.QAA12247@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 7 Apr 1988 13:50:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:52:43 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [List Maint] Non-Text postings Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please end this thread!!!! Everybody has made their point! ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 18:42:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA175915325; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:42:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06436; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:36:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04854; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (phr@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04658; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA11492 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199804082235.PAA11492@netcom11.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: gunked up keyboard suggestions? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 755cx keyboard has gotten gunked up from years of use. Lots (maybe most) of the keys are stiff now, slowing down my typing. Anyone got a good way to clean them enough to make the typing action lighter? I think more likely I just have to replace the keyboard. Anyone know of a good vendor for this kind of thing, and is the replacement operation difficult? It's not totally obvious from looking, how to remove the old one. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 19:09:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA182446989; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:09:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10089; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:07:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09894; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09874; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kingdom.adaptec.com (kingdom [162.62.162.10]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01287 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.corp.adaptec.com (mail1.corp.adaptec.com [162.62.162.12]) by kingdom.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18150 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corp.adaptec.com ([162.62.59.92]) by mail1.corp.adaptec.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA16140 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:04:12 -0700 Message-Id: <352C046E.36FD5D4@corp.adaptec.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:12:46 -0700 From: "Chris Morrison" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu remove From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 21:13:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA211324419; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:13:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16608; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:11:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16473; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16449; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts08.loop.net (p10.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.25]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13655; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:11:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804090111.SAA13655@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 18:11:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Paul's attachment question, and a request Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:31 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Paul asked: > >>But why is the filename shown as ATT0000x.ATT (x being a number 1 and up)? > > >My guess: "ATTachment number 00001, file type ATTachment" > >Paul, PLEASE stop quoting whole threads in their entirety in your posts here. >If you find this a difficult habit to break, I suggest you turn your mailer's >default setting to *not* include originals in replies; that will force you to >cut-and-paste the bits you do want to quote. > Okay, and PLEASE don't post these attachments, but rather post the URLs, or at the very least, send it as *.html. I can't wait to see how whatever mailer Solaris uses (Pine and/or ELM) handles weird attachments like these... -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 20 Processes with 78 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 58m 38s 242ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 21:16:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA212134616; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:16:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17154; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:15:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17011; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16976; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts08.loop.net (p10.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.25]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13879; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804090115.SAA13879@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Victor Kress" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 18:15:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [List Maint] Non-Text postings Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:52:43 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: >Please end this thread!!!! Everybody has made their point! I'm surprised how much response I'd get to this thread. Okay, now back to ThinkPad stuff... -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 20 Processes with 78 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 3m 9s 500ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 21:21:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA212814863; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:21:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01887; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01157; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00839; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16848; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081942.MAA16848@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jls5@gte.com" , "Robert Dewar" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:44:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 98 08:41:36 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >just a quick comment here. I really like the 770 design where the internal >floppy and external floppy are the same gizmo! > Does it connect via the parallel port? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 29m 20s 648ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 21:24:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214195060; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:24:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18160; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:22:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18026; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18005; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts08.loop.net (p10.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.25]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA14049; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804090120.SAA14049@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "pmr7u@virginia.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 18:20:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hello Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:53:07 +0000, Paul Ricker wrote: >Hello! > >Thanks for adding me to the list. > >About a month and a half ago I bought my TP701CS from IBM's >refurbished PC website. Perhaps it belonged to someone on this >list... > >Anyway, it's a DX4/75, DSTN, with 40 Mb RAM (upgraded from 16) and >a 540 Mb drive. I'm thinking of getting a 1.4 Gb or 2.1 Gb drive. >I use the internal modem at home and a LinkSys Ethernet PC-card at >work, and my wife's clunky PC-card CDROM (2X, made by EXP) lets me >install software. I'm running Red Hat Linux 5.0, but occasionally >boot into Win 3.1 to run Maple (our university has a site license >which lets one get Maple for Windows or Macintosh for $15, but it >doesn't cover the Linux version :< ). > >A nice machine, and with 40 Mb, quite usable. I didn't expect to >run 3D hydrodynamical simulations on it anyway. > >I do have one question: on startup (during the memory test), the >machine emits a high-pitched whine which goes away once the lilo >message appears. If I turn up the LCD brightness to maximum, it >returns. The brightness control doesn't seem to have any effect >anyway, so I typically keep it turned down. So I guess I really >have two questions: (1) is this an indication of impending LCD >failure, or just an annoying quirk, and (2) does the brightness control >work on anyone else's machine? The contrast control seems to work >just fine, and I've simply relied on that to adjust the readability >of the screen. It could be a problem with the inverter's power supply. Try to see if it comes from the right hand top side of the LCD bezel (looking at the LCD). Conversly, it could also be the DC-DC board inside the unit as well. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 20 Processes with 78 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 7m 41s 484ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 21:28:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215025318; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:28:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07736; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:23:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07031; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06804; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA27014; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:19:44 -1000 Message-Id: <004701bd632c$0f05ef80$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Paul's attachment question, and a request Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:31 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul asked: >But why is the filename shown as ATT0000x.ATT (x being a number 1 and up)? My guess: "ATTachment number 00001, file type ATTachment" Paul, PLEASE stop quoting whole threads in their entirety in your posts here. If you find this a difficult habit to break, I suggest you turn your mailer's default setting to *not* include originals in replies; that will force you to cut-and-paste the bits you do want to quote. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 21:48:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218876518; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:48:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06758; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:20:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01330; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00991; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16816; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16816@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Hans Juergen Rauscher" , "matcho essawy" Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:42:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: iomega Zip Drive 100MB Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 05 Apr 98 15:46:45 +0100, Hans Juergen Rauscher wrote: >Matcho, > >>Can I install iomega Zip Drive 100MB internal drive in the 380ED >>ThinkPad 3.5 FDD bay > >i don't think so, because the ZIP drives which are offerd by iomega OEM's (VTS?) >require a UltraBay II or III which is only available in 7xx series of ThinkPads. > And this does NOT include the 700, 701, 710, 720, 730, and 755, for reference. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 26m 57s 523ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 21:50:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219096632; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:50:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20247; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:47:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19964; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quickturn.com (antigone.quickturn.com [208.210.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19935; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sanjose.quickturn.com (fw-screen.quickturn.com [208.210.16.1]) by quickturn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA05624 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exp9 (exp9.quickturn.com [172.17.30.41]) by sanjose.quickturn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id SAA04398 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Liu Received: by exp9 (SMI-8.6) id SAA09360; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:47:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:47:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199804090147.SAA09360@exp9> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 560 Battery X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi - Just wondering where to get the best prices on the IBM Thinkpad 560 Li-Ion battery. Also, what is the preferred usage pattern for these batteries? When storing, should I store in the laptop or take it out and should it be fully charged or discharged? Also, if I am connected to an A/C line, should I take the battery out or leave it in? Sorry if this stuff is FAQ... Thanks, - justin From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 21:50:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219206650; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:50:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20302; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:48:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20007; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net (smtp1.gte.net [207.115.153.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19952; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gte.net (1Cust205.tnt14.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.39.205]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with ESMTP id UAA10559 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:47:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <352C2643.8A66C23@gte.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:37:07 -0600 From: Bob Angell Reply-To: aimsllc@ibm.net Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems (AIMS) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: RedHat 5.0 Linux / TP755CE & Sound?!?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone on the list been able to get RedHat Linux 5.0 installed and using the DSP chip on the 755Cx type Thinkpads? Any/all help would be appreciated!! -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. Engineer/Author/Consultant Applied Info & Mgnt Sys, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 v801-583-8544 mailto:aimsllc@ibm.net mailto:aims@gte.net -------------------------------------------------------- http://home1.gte.net/aims/index.htm -------------------------------------------------------- "Had Mama Cass and Karen Carpenter shared that Ham sand- wich; John Belushi just said "Pepsi, not coke!", they might all be with us today!!" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 22:10:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA223577843; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:10:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07110; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:22:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01240; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00955; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16804; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16804@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Patrick West" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:41:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Patrick West wrote: >On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: >> What you're missing Peter, is that choice is the *sender's* perogative. >That may be true on this list, I don't recall it being discussed in the >rules for posting. > >However I know of at least four mailing lists where using HTML mail will >get you kicked off the list. > Who put up the rules for this list anyways? Maybe we could try to amend some, such as no attachments, unless specified, or whatever. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 26m 2s 507ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 22:21:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA225108460; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:21:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09029; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:31:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08612; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08294; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:30:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25956; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA19071; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 852565E0.007106E1 ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:34:33 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "Robert Dewar" , "jls5@gte.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-Id: <852565E0.00705FD5.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:28:04 -0400 Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When the machine is on, of course.... "Paul Khoury" on 04/07/98 08:45:39 PM Please respond to "Paul Khoury" To: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus, "Robert Dewar" cc: "jls5@gte.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 560 -vs- 600 On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:22:43 -0400, Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: >Also, the hot swapping feature of Ultra Bay II is really slick... > > Do you swap while the machine's on, or in suspend (as I'd guess)? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 30m 21s 953ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 22:25:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA226408725; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:25:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01901; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01211; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00713; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16788; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16788@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Don Perley" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:39:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:57:01 -0700 (PDT), Don Perley wrote: >> >> If the sender *chooses* to send it in a form that fewer people can read, >> that's his choice. He should do so knowing in advance that it won't be >> universally readable, but that shouldn't prevent him from sending it. >> > >He can also send his message in Esperanto, perhaps believing that the >universal language will be universally readable. Besides any bandwidth >issues, the message in quesiton had a lot of attachments, each of which >brings up a prompt asking whether to save, view, or skip. > Well, for me, it doesn't even read them right (like the junk that some mailers send for some unknown reason) correctly, and puts a weird filename on it. Does it appear on anyone else's mailer as ATT0000x.ATT? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 23m 48s 320ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 22:39:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA229449554; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:39:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01908; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:43:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01009; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00639; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16796 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16796@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:40:17 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:40:22 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 08:39 AM 4/7/98 , Robert Dewar wrote: >><< If the sender *chooses* to send it in a form that fewer people >can read, >>that's his choice. He should do so knowing in advance that it won't be >>universally readable, but that shouldn't prevent him from sending it. > >>Well sure it is the sender's choice, but it is annoying to readers. This > > To some. But think about it--why? We all have something that annoys us. >There's *plenty* of topics on this list that hold no interest at all for >me--I delete them and move on. Why is this formatting issue any different >than that? Delete it and move on. There's no reason why it should bother >you. I read everything I get anyways, so it would be better if you could make it readable. I keep everything anyways, unless it's garbage like that. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 25m 2s 570ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 22:47:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA230900026; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:47:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23782; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:44:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23465; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23420; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from summit.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [199.125.92.85]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with ESMTP id WAA09222 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from summit (summit.msc.com [192.168.0.30]) by summit.msc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 2SGP8AQF; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:43:10 -0400 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with ESMTP id TAA02485; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10022; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:07:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09894; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09874; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kingdom.adaptec.com (kingdom [162.62.162.10]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01287 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.corp.adaptec.com (mail1.corp.adaptec.com [162.62.162.12]) by kingdom.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18150 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corp.adaptec.com ([162.62.59.92]) by mail1.corp.adaptec.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA16140 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:04:12 -0700 Message-Id: <352C046E.36FD5D4@corp.adaptec.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:12:46 -0700 X-Uidl: 892078761.002 From: "Chris Morrison" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Status: U Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu remove From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 22:47:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA230930027; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:47:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23758; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:43:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23390; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23377; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from summit.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [199.125.92.85]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with ESMTP id WAA09168 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from summit (summit.msc.com [192.168.0.30]) by summit.msc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 2SGP8AQB; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:43:01 -0400 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with ESMTP id SAA27328; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05851; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:36:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04854; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (phr@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04658; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA11492 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:35:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Uidl: 892078761.000 From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199804082235.PAA11492@netcom11.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: gunked up keyboard suggestions? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Status: U Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 755cx keyboard has gotten gunked up from years of use. Lots (maybe most) of the keys are stiff now, slowing down my typing. Anyone got a good way to clean them enough to make the typing action lighter? I think more likely I just have to replace the keyboard. Anyone know of a good vendor for this kind of thing, and is the replacement operation difficult? It's not totally obvious from looking, how to remove the old one. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 22:51:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA231500299; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:51:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07745; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:25:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01321; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00724; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16764; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16764@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Robert Dewar" , "rwhittle@usa.net" Cc: "71420666@email.msn.com" <71420666@email.msn.com>, "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:33:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 98 05:15:25 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: ><< Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML mail. >Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, >but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing >how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. > > For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through >perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web >>> > >It is inappropraite to send HTML mail on a mailing list like this. I just >discarded the message, and many others will too! > I partially agree. If you have to send it, it could at least be a .htm or .html extention. I don't care if Win mailers can read it, there are also UNIX and OS/2 people here... -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 18m 18s 226ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 22:59:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA233290749; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:59:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08265; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:27:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01249; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00514; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16674; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16674@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "richard" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 07 Apr 98 22:36:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 06 Apr 98 22:47:28 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:17:11 -0400, richard wrote: > >>On Sun, 05 Apr 98 03:13:16 , "Paul Khoury" wrote: >> >>>If it's that expensive, you might as well consider the 770 if you don't mind the extra >weigh too >>>much, unless the 600 is a faster machine. >> >> >>The extra weight is a major factor. >> >Depending on who you're talking to. I'm 6'5", so I have a lot of back room >for my computers. Now, carrying one of my two backpacs is hard. > >For me, as long as the machine is under 8 lbs. itself, it's okay. >(The SPARCbook is also a Magnesium alloy case, making it heavier than >plastic). > > >Now carrying heavy peripherals is a major setback for me (CD-ROM, etc). > >-- >Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org >Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 >There are 27 Processes with 93 Threads. >This machine's uptime is 3d 9h 42m 38s 335ms. > -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 24 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 21m 54s 695ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 23:00:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA233700848; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:00:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01911; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:43:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01058; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00701; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16777; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16777@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Robert Dewar" , "rwhittle@usa.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:37:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 98 11:39:53 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: ><< If the sender *chooses* to send it in a form that fewer people can read, >that's his choice. He should do so knowing in advance that it won't be >universally readable, but that shouldn't prevent him from sending it. > > It certainly doesn't impose the bandwidth issues that sending a binary >does, so it should not be an issue that gets anyone excited. Can't see it? > Delete it. Obviously the sender didn't care enough about you to send it >in a plain text form. It was his mistake (unless he weighed the >alternatives and felt sending with fancy formatting was necessary). >>> > >Well sure it is the sender's choice, but it is annoying to readers. This >mailing list is *just* worth being on for me, but it is marginal. If a lot >of messages started appearing in junk formats like this, I would get off >it. Of course that's probably reasonable anyway. Maybe I will at this stage >anyway. > If I get more junk messages, I will bounce them back to the sender, and I don't care what flames I get (and that's ALL recipients). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 22m 7s 804ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 23:05:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA235621134; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:05:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25551; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:04:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25472; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25459; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.2]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14827 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:03:48 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 560 Battery Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 03:03:46 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <352c304a.14343375@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199804090147.SAA09360@exp9> In-Reply-To: <199804090147.SAA09360@exp9> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:47:32 -0700, you wrote: >Just wondering where to get the best prices on the IBM Thinkpad 560 Li-Ion >battery. Also, what is the preferred usage pattern for these batteries? >When storing, should I store in the laptop or take it out and should it >be fully charged or discharged? Also, if I am connected to an A/C line, >should I take the battery out or leave it in? I'd suggest a search at www.uvision.com or www.computeresp.com for the battery. I haven't seen them coming down any, always hovering at $229 or so new. Probably due to the new models using the same battery, afaik. I got my 2nd the old fashioned way - I bought two 560s :-) I've heard that it's bad for the chemicals to let them overheat, so I tend to remove mine or unplug the laptop once charged despite the fact it's probably not charging anymore. I've also read on some of the battery sites that it's better for the battery to store in a cool place while fully charged - the chemicals can lose their effectiveness if they sit around uncharged a long time. My drill is to rotate the two at least once a week. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 23:07:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA236271236; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:07:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01896; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:43:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01023; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00585; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16756; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16756@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:32:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:29:04 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 11:11 PM 4/6/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: >>The next time you send attachments, can you please make them readable? >>I cannot read them, and they appear as AT0000x.ATT (x being 1 and up). > > Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML mail. >Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, >but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing >how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. > > For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), No comment, except that I'm going to try out MR/2 ICE in the near future. it came through >perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web >page in my E-Mail. > Well, PMMail is great with attachments, but I probably need to set it up as HTML. But why is the filename shown as ATT0000x.ATT (x being a number 1 and up)? > It wasn't an attachment per se, it was a mailing format that some people's >mailers just can't read. Personally, I liked getting it. :-) > Oh. Could we start posting something with a .html or .htm extension so I can read it too? Thanks, -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 16m 57s 890ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 23:09:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA237151381; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:09:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01905; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01224; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00897; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16869; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081942.MAA16869@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "71420666@email.msn.com" <71420666@email.msn.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:48:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:00:15 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 02:15 AM 4/7/98 , Robert Dewar wrote: >><< Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML >mail. >>Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, >>but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing >>how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. >> >> For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through >>perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web >>>> >> >>It is inappropraite to send HTML mail on a mailing list like this. I just >>discarded the message, and many others will too! > > What's inappropriate about it? Is there a rule buried in the list rules >somewhere saying you can't or shouldn't? > > Its not a huge waste of bandwidth (as an attached binary would be). >Basically, if you have the kind of mailer that can read it, you saw it--if >not, you deleted it. What's the big deal? > The big deal is that if you can't make use of it, it's a wasteful download. I still use a 14.4 Home & Away on my ThinkPad, and my P75 server only has a 9600bps when I download messages for my archives, so I don't have much bandwidth, nor the money to buy better resources. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 32m 52s 15ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 23:22:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA239162147; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:22:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09039; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:30:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01305; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00588; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16769 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16769@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 00:36:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:37:10 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 08:25 AM 4/7/98 , Peter Lewis wrote: >>The "big deal," as you put it Randy, is that the primary purpose of this >>list is to share information. To the degree that you suppress information >>by sending it in a form that's not universally accessible, you do a >>disservice to all. For that reason, you will find that it's generally >>accepted practice in newsgroups (which I would consider this list to most >>closely resemble) to send in plain text. That may not be the "coolest" >>technology, but it includes the most people. > > What you're missing Peter, is that choice is the *sender's* perogative. > > If the sender *chooses* to send it in a form that fewer people can read, >that's his choice. He should do so knowing in advance that it won't be >universally readable, but that shouldn't prevent him from sending it. > > It certainly doesn't impose the bandwidth issues that sending a binary >does, so it should not be an issue that gets anyone excited. Can't see it? > Delete it. Obviously the sender didn't care enough about you to send it >in a plain text form. It was his mistake (unless he weighed the >alternatives and felt sending with fancy formatting was necessary). > Now for me, I just don't see how hard it is to put it as a normal attachment, with an extenstion. Heck, I don't care if it's a long filename (since some of mine are paragraphs long). Just don't send in a form that others can't read, because I only have a 14.4 modem here, and I was lucky to get my mail tonight anyways (my ISP is down, and I'm writing this offline). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 21m 9s 718ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 23:33:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA241452815; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:33:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01918; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01195; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00808; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16877 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081942.MAA16877@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 06:30:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [List Maint] Non-Text postings Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Apr 98 21:26 CEST, Harald Milz wrote: >> >From: Randal Whittle[SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] >> >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 1:29 AM >> >To: Paul Khoury >> >Cc: LPLarsen; ThinkPad List >> >Subject: Re: Fw: Classifieds2000 found 5 computers >> > >> >At 11:11 PM 4/6/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: >> >>The next time you send attachments, can you please make them readable? >> >>I cannot read them, and they appear as AT0000x.ATT (x being 1 and up). >> > >> > Actually Paul, his "attachment" was really just an in-line HTML mail. >> >Some mail readers (notably Netscape's & Eudora 4.0) read this just fine, >> >but other mailers (I note that you are using PMMail for OS/2), not knowing >> >how to show the mailing, just handle it as an attachment. > >Randal, > >Netscape & Eudora & posting HTML crap in mailing lists and newsgroups is >definitely not the common denominator. In the past, using the common >denominator used to be a standard adhered to by about everybody on the >Internet. Adherance to netiquette appears to become unpopular these days. > >> > For those of us using a more capable mailer (Grin!), it came through >> >perfectly fine and looked pretty darn good to boot--basically it was a web >> >page in my E-Mail. > >Go post URLs instead. Your so-called more capable mailer will interpret the >URL fine so you can go and click on it. Folks with "less capable mailers" >can copy & paste the URL to their favourite browser. And hey, you really >don't need to send the high volume traffic to everybody. There are people >out there who pay their ISP per volume. The choice what they suck down >their lines is up to them, not up to you. > > I agree, especially for those like myself with little bandwidth as it is (9600 bps, and 14.4kbps). And I can click on a URL and go directly to Netscape, but not in one of those goofy attachments. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 9h 15m 23s 625ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 23:44:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA244373445; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:44:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09561; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:36:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01308; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00587; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16679; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16679@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "allied@teleport.com" , "Robert Dewar" , "rwhittle@usa.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 07 Apr 98 22:37:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701's History (Was: 560x v. 600) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 06 Apr 98 22:52:11 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Mon, 6 Apr 98 21:56:36 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: > >><< The larger truth above & beyond all of this is IBM simply took too long >>bringing the 701 on-line into the market. By the time they did, market >>trends *were* indeed scooting toward the spectrum of features that Robert >>describes. Another issue is price. Long before the fire sale prices, the >>701's sold for a *huge* premium--one of the most expensive models. IBM >>blew it on that one. >>>> >> >>I am typical of the kind of customer IBM is aiming at with high level >>notebooks (many of the readers of this newsgroup are not :-) > >Well, I might consider myself with a higher end notebook, but non-IBM >(just IBM parts). > >BTW, does anyone on this list use a Power ThinkPad running NT or AIX? >> >>I found the price of the 701 perfectly reasonable. I would have bought one >>immediately *if* I could have taken the memory up beyond the totally >>unacceptable 40meg limit at the time and *if* it had had a Pentium. >> >>But now, the form factor is of no interest to me, since a 10.4" screen >>is simply too small. >> >Well, if you're doing graphics work, I can imagine that, but for me, it's huge, >considering I'm using a 12" CRT anyways (my 14" CRT has a bad cable >and burn in). > >>I find the 560 much more attractive. But as long as I can get more power >>for more weight, it's worth it to me, which is why I bought my 770. >> >I agree. Even though my SPARCbook is 7.5 lbs, with NO battery, it's my most >powerful machine, and it's very much worth the weight for the power. > >>P.S. just came back from trip to London and Paris, how nice to watch DVD >>movies on my notebook on the plane and train. By the way, contrary to what >>I had read in the documentation, there is no problem in playing movies >>in a custom sized non-full-screen window. >> >> >And this was in OS/2? > >-- >Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org >Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 >There are 27 Processes with 93 Threads. >This machine's uptime is 3d 9h 47m 21s 539ms. > -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 27 Processes with 95 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 22m 7s 843ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 23:48:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA245433729; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:48:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09998; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:37:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01388; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00920; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16744; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081941.MAA16744@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 07 Apr 98 22:38:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TFT weight (was: Re: I think I'm going to defect...) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 07 Apr 98 22:30:08 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:41:42 -1000, David Ross wrote: > >>>> Also--I'm curious: Do TFT displays weigh a significant amount? Enough to >>>Glass, metal, plastic, and the circuit boards. TFT's have more circuitry >>because they're >>>all digital, whereas DSTN and STN would be more analog (AFAIK). >> >> >>I don't think that DSTN is any more analog than TFT, and the extra circuitry >>in the latter would consist of a handful of chips, hardly a major >>weight-producer. >> >DSTN constantly refreshes the display, typical of analog displays. > >TFT uses transistors for the pixels, and is more digital. > >And I know that the chips are very few, but ironically, the specs on raw >LCDs show TFT to be lighter than DSTN (I was going to buy a TFT for my >server, but got a STN for my field work instead). > >>>If you think that's heavy, my SPARCbook is supposed to weigh 7.5 lbs, I'm >> >>I have a Micron which is heavier, but don't consider it a 'laptop':-) >> >This has NO floppy nor CD-ROM (a 595/495 option, respecitvely), but it >at least has ISDN, the IBM Trackpoint (same Lexmark keyboard, minus the Fn >key), and 10BaseT. Considering I have to haul around an external CD-ROM, >it's HEAVY! > >>>I guess it depends on what you're used to. I used to lug around my original >>IBM PC around when that >> >> >>I can match that - try cross-country skiing across a frozen lake with a >>Morrow MicroDecision (CP/M, circa 1981) strapped to your back! >> >When I went cross-country sking, I only had my HP Omnigo straped to my >back (Geoworks, circa 1997). It's roughtly the size of a 3.5" IDE HD. In fact, >it's exactly the size. I also brought my ThinkPad, but I left it in my room (only I and the >vice principal brought notebooks; it was >a school trip). > >Okay, back to ThinkPad stuff... > >-- >Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org >Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 >There are 27 Processes with 93 Threads. >This machine's uptime is 3d 9h 35m 54s 531ms. > > >-- >Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org >Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 >There are 27 Processes with 98 Threads. >This machine's uptime is 4d 9h 25m 13s 531ms. > -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 22 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 23m 21s 382ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 8 23:50:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA245863847; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:50:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01745; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:40:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00240; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00196; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16447; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081939.MAA16447@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "epbrown@enteract.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 07 Apr 98 22:36:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM701,560, HP, Tosh (was: Re: 560x v. 600) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 06 Apr 98 22:45:18 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:24:30 GMT, epbrown wrote: > >>On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:31:12 -1000, you wrote: >>>Not necessarily (though as epbrown knows, I've been accused on Usenet of >>>being an agent of IBM:); my only objection to the HP is the keyboard (I've >>>never had my hands on the Toshiba). I shared a flat during a conference 2 >>>years ago with an HP600 owner, and got to play with his machine for a bit; I >>>was pleasantly surprised at the *feel* of his keyboard, but not the size - I >>>like full-sized. BTW, I found the pop-up mouse quite usable, though of >>>course I *am* right-handed. >> >> I had no problem with the HP 800 keyboard I tried out, but at the >>time I was still regularly using the keyboard on my Thinkpad 510, and >>it seemed larger than that. I've got fairly large hands (they match my >>big ol' feet, size 15!), > >So I'm not the only one with size 15, eh? My hands are also really big, and my favorite >keyboard is probably the IBM click, my ThinkPad (even though I hate the folding >part), and my SPARCbook. (The size 15 is not surprising, considering my height). > > but didn't have too much trouble adjusting. >>But that mouse! The problem is the first computer I ever ran Windows >>on was a Thinkpad and I can't get used to removing my hands from the >>keyboard to move my cursor. > >That was one of the reasons I loved my 355C from day one. And that was >my first Windows experiance. > > At work I'm known for my terrible mousing >>skills because it seems so ridiculous. You stop what you're doing and >>move your hand waaaay over there just to move your cursor? Yeck! So >>people who're used to that love the HP 800, while I see it as the only >>notebook to drag along one of the worst features of desktop computing. >> epbrown >> PS As an aside to DR, I just exchanged email with the guy who >>accused us of being undercover IBM reps on CSL- he needed help setting >>up low-cost video-conferencing on his IBM 385, and I had some tips >>since I just bought a $24 QuickCam to use with NetMeeting (free) and >>my 56k modem (already had). > >I'm surprised someone would accuse you of that. You'd think he'd ask >you about OS/2 and RS/6000's to be sure. > >> PPS You were partially right about Sony, you may have heard. You >>said months ago they jump in and out of the PC business, and they're >>taking a foot out - they've decided to focus on laptops and drop the >>desktop division, where everyone plays too rough and they weren't as >>well received. > >My friend has a Sony VAIO notebook, and it's VERY thin, very similiar to the 560 >(though I've never seen one in person). It has a very nice 12.1" TFT, and a >Pentium 150MMX. Only problem is that I couldn't notice any better performance from >my P75... > >-- >Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org >Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 >There are 27 Processes with 93 Threads. >This machine's uptime is 3d 9h 40m 28s 554ms. > -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 There are 24 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 21m 26s 78ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 00:04:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA248534645; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:04:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28491; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28175; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28161; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loveland (loveland.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09701; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:56:04 -0600 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: RedHat 5.0 Linux / TP755CE & Sound?!?! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:01:23 -0600 Message-Id: <004501bd636c$29782780$037053ce@loveland.wwsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <352C2643.8A66C23@gte.net> Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The only way I've seen it done is to boot DOS, load the mWave software, then loadlin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Angell [mailto:aims@gte.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 7:37 PM > To: Thinkpad Mailing List > Subject: RedHat 5.0 Linux / TP755CE & Sound?!?! > > > Anyone on the list been able to get RedHat Linux 5.0 installed > and using the DSP chip on the 755Cx type Thinkpads? Any/all > help would be appreciated!! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 00:04:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA248574648; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:04:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28502; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:01:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28258; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28244; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash5-114.flash.net [209.30.75.114]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27508 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:01:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <352C4853.5BF32344@flash.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:02:27 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: HTML encoded mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just an observation: I don't mind the HTML as much as I mind excessive quoting. That has been quite excessive here of late. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 01:58:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA270511526; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:58:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08047; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:56:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07848; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.19.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07836; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-229-107.usc.edu [128.125.229.107]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA20969 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804090556.WAA20969@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:56:33 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [List Maint] Non-Text postings In-Reply-To: <199804081942.MAA16877@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:30 PM 4/7/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: >I agree, especially for those like myself with little bandwidth as it is (9600 bps, and 14.4kbps). >I agree, and think that others should at least be somewhat considerate of the >extra junk that adds up. I'll try to say this nicely, but Paul...for someone so concerned with bandwidth, it might be nice if: (A) you didn't 100% quote every post you respond to, (B) post inane 1-liners that essentially boil down to nothing more than a "Me Too" message, and... (C) I should point out that in tonight's mail packet I downloaded, there were something on the order of 25 messages from the TP list. 20 of them were from you--most of them duplicates. Now do you want to make another comment about your bandwidth problems? It doesn't come off particularly sincere. More than likely, you just haven't a clue that what you're doing is far more of a problem than the one guy who sent one HTML-formatted E-mail. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 02:35:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA278223730; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:35:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04714; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:53:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04299; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04251; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p11.hwts16.loop.net (p11.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.26]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22650; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:52:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804090452.VAA22650@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "richard" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 06 Apr 98 22:47:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560x v. 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:17:11 -0400, richard wrote: >On Sun, 05 Apr 98 03:13:16 , "Paul Khoury" wrote: > >>If it's that expensive, you might as well consider the 770 if you don't mind the extra weigh too >>much, unless the 600 is a faster machine. > > >The extra weight is a major factor. > Depending on who you're talking to. I'm 6'5", so I have a lot of back room for my computers. Now, carrying one of my two backpacs is hard. For me, as long as the machine is under 8 lbs. itself, it's okay. (The SPARCbook is also a Magnesium alloy case, making it heavier than plastic). Now carrying heavy peripherals is a major setback for me (CD-ROM, etc). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 27 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 3d 9h 42m 38s 335ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 02:37:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA278553878; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:37:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04943; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:53:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04385; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04342; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p11.hwts16.loop.net (p11.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.26]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22653; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804090452.VAA22653@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "allied@teleport.com" , "Robert Dewar" , "rwhittle@usa.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 06 Apr 98 22:52:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701's History (Was: 560x v. 600) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 6 Apr 98 21:56:36 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: ><< The larger truth above & beyond all of this is IBM simply took too long >bringing the 701 on-line into the market. By the time they did, market >trends *were* indeed scooting toward the spectrum of features that Robert >describes. Another issue is price. Long before the fire sale prices, the >701's sold for a *huge* premium--one of the most expensive models. IBM >blew it on that one. >>> > >I am typical of the kind of customer IBM is aiming at with high level >notebooks (many of the readers of this newsgroup are not :-) Well, I might consider myself with a higher end notebook, but non-IBM (just IBM parts). BTW, does anyone on this list use a Power ThinkPad running NT or AIX? > >I found the price of the 701 perfectly reasonable. I would have bought one >immediately *if* I could have taken the memory up beyond the totally >unacceptable 40meg limit at the time and *if* it had had a Pentium. > >But now, the form factor is of no interest to me, since a 10.4" screen >is simply too small. > Well, if you're doing graphics work, I can imagine that, but for me, it's huge, considering I'm using a 12" CRT anyways (my 14" CRT has a bad cable and burn in). >I find the 560 much more attractive. But as long as I can get more power >for more weight, it's worth it to me, which is why I bought my 770. > I agree. Even though my SPARCbook is 7.5 lbs, with NO battery, it's my most powerful machine, and it's very much worth the weight for the power. >P.S. just came back from trip to London and Paris, how nice to watch DVD >movies on my notebook on the plane and train. By the way, contrary to what >I had read in the documentation, there is no problem in playing movies >in a custom sized non-full-screen window. > > And this was in OS/2? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 27 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 3d 9h 47m 21s 539ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 02:46:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA280104364; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:46:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05057; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:54:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04482; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04427; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p11.hwts16.loop.net (p11.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.26]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22700; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:53:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804090453.VAA22700@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 07 Apr 98 22:30:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TFT weight (was: Re: I think I'm going to defect...) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:41:42 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>> Also--I'm curious: Do TFT displays weigh a significant amount? Enough to >>Glass, metal, plastic, and the circuit boards. TFT's have more circuitry >because they're >>all digital, whereas DSTN and STN would be more analog (AFAIK). > > >I don't think that DSTN is any more analog than TFT, and the extra circuitry >in the latter would consist of a handful of chips, hardly a major >weight-producer. > DSTN constantly refreshes the display, typical of analog displays. TFT uses transistors for the pixels, and is more digital. And I know that the chips are very few, but ironically, the specs on raw LCDs show TFT to be lighter than DSTN (I was going to buy a TFT for my server, but got a STN for my field work instead). >>If you think that's heavy, my SPARCbook is supposed to weigh 7.5 lbs, I'm > >I have a Micron which is heavier, but don't consider it a 'laptop':-) > This has NO floppy nor CD-ROM (a 595/495 option, respecitvely), but it at least has ISDN, the IBM Trackpoint (same Lexmark keyboard, minus the Fn key), and 10BaseT. Considering I have to haul around an external CD-ROM, it's HEAVY! >>I guess it depends on what you're used to. I used to lug around my original >IBM PC around when that > > >I can match that - try cross-country skiing across a frozen lake with a >Morrow MicroDecision (CP/M, circa 1981) strapped to your back! > When I went cross-country sking, I only had my HP Omnigo straped to my back (Geoworks, circa 1997). It's roughtly the size of a 3.5" IDE HD. In fact, it's exactly the size. I also brought my ThinkPad, but I left it in my room (only I and the vice principal brought notebooks; it was a school trip). Okay, back to ThinkPad stuff... -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 27 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 3d 9h 35m 54s 531ms. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 27 Processes with 98 Threads. This machine's uptime is 4d 9h 25m 13s 531ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 02:54:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281044843; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:54:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04719; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:53:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04278; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04249; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p11.hwts16.loop.net (p11.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.26]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22635; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804090452.VAA22635@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "epbrown@enteract.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 06 Apr 98 22:45:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM701,560, HP, Tosh (was: Re: 560x v. 600) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:24:30 GMT, epbrown wrote: >On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:31:12 -1000, you wrote: >>Not necessarily (though as epbrown knows, I've been accused on Usenet of >>being an agent of IBM:); my only objection to the HP is the keyboard (I've >>never had my hands on the Toshiba). I shared a flat during a conference 2 >>years ago with an HP600 owner, and got to play with his machine for a bit; I >>was pleasantly surprised at the *feel* of his keyboard, but not the size - I >>like full-sized. BTW, I found the pop-up mouse quite usable, though of >>course I *am* right-handed. > > I had no problem with the HP 800 keyboard I tried out, but at the >time I was still regularly using the keyboard on my Thinkpad 510, and >it seemed larger than that. I've got fairly large hands (they match my >big ol' feet, size 15!), So I'm not the only one with size 15, eh? My hands are also really big, and my favorite keyboard is probably the IBM click, my ThinkPad (even though I hate the folding part), and my SPARCbook. (The size 15 is not surprising, considering my height). but didn't have too much trouble adjusting. >But that mouse! The problem is the first computer I ever ran Windows >on was a Thinkpad and I can't get used to removing my hands from the >keyboard to move my cursor. That was one of the reasons I loved my 355C from day one. And that was my first Windows experiance. At work I'm known for my terrible mousing >skills because it seems so ridiculous. You stop what you're doing and >move your hand waaaay over there just to move your cursor? Yeck! So >people who're used to that love the HP 800, while I see it as the only >notebook to drag along one of the worst features of desktop computing. > epbrown > PS As an aside to DR, I just exchanged email with the guy who >accused us of being undercover IBM reps on CSL- he needed help setting >up low-cost video-conferencing on his IBM 385, and I had some tips >since I just bought a $24 QuickCam to use with NetMeeting (free) and >my 56k modem (already had). I'm surprised someone would accuse you of that. You'd think he'd ask you about OS/2 and RS/6000's to be sure. > PPS You were partially right about Sony, you may have heard. You >said months ago they jump in and out of the PC business, and they're >taking a foot out - they've decided to focus on laptops and drop the >desktop division, where everyone plays too rough and they weren't as >well received. My friend has a Sony VAIO notebook, and it's VERY thin, very similiar to the 560 (though I've never seen one in person). It has a very nice 12.1" TFT, and a Pentium 150MMX. Only problem is that I couldn't notice any better performance from my P75... -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 27 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 3d 9h 40m 28s 554ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 06:23:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA016607431; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:23:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26146; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:18:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25945; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25932; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JohnMotsie@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id QCKVa15786; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:17:11 -0500 (EDT) From: JohnMotsie Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:17:11 EDT To: justin@quickturn.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TP 560 Battery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a message dated 98-04-08 21:49:30 EDT, you write: << Just wondering where to get the best prices on the IBM Thinkpad 560 Li-Ion battery. >> Justin, Digital House had one advertised within the last week for $149: Digital House deals in new and newer used batteries. They'll ship 2nd USPS for 3$ if you ask, fast service, good prices, friendly people. They are at: 615-898-0108 (Tennessee) John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 08:37:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA038845447; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:37:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03131; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:30:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03009; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02959; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl ([12.69.70.100]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA19008 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:29:20 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409082348.00a4a2c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:23:48 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: iomega Zip Drive 100MB In-Reply-To: <199804081941.MAA16816@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:42 AM 4/8/98, Paul Khoury wrote: >>i don't think so, because the ZIP drives which are offerd by iomega OEM's (VTS?) >>require a UltraBay II or III which is only available in 7xx series of ThinkPads. >> >And this does NOT include the 700, 701, 710, 720, 730, and 755, for reference. > It includes the 755CD and 755CDV systems: http://www.vsttech.com/ibmstor.htm Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 10:23:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA059131785; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:23:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03681; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:31:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03305; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03230; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl ([12.69.70.100]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA19875 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:30:56 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409082525.00a5eaa0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:25:25 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: 770 floppy In-Reply-To: <199804081942.MAA16848@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:44 AM 4/8/98, Paul Khoury wrote: >>just a quick comment here. I really like the 770 design where the internal >>floppy and external floppy are the same gizmo! >> >Does it connect via the parallel port? > No. The included cable plugs into its own port. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 11:22:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA071905335; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:22:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12415; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:18:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12314; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12262; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22995 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:18:11 -0500 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04179; Thu, 9 Apr 98 11:19:31 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA00508 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:19:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: HTML encoded mail In-Reply-To: <352C4853.5BF32344@flash.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Bob Garagliano wrote: > I don't mind the HTML as much as I mind excessive quoting. That has been > quite excessive here of late. Enough has probably been said on this, but I'll toss in my 2 cents since I tend to do more answering than asking on this list. My mail program can't view HTML attachments. The mail program that comes with Microsoft Internet Explorer claims to send a text version (labeled ASCII) and an HTML version (labeled HTML). The ASCII version isn't - I suspect it includes some binary characters which pine doesn't like and I end up with an "unable to view non-ASCII text" error. The end result is that I don't bother reading any messages that come through formatted like that. I just delete them rather than go through the gymnastics of saving it to a file and viewing it later. Every once in a while I'll send a message telling people about the problem (this is one of them :-). It's up to them to configure their mail program to send plain text only. If they don't/can't, I don't read their messages, and hence don't answer their questions. If they do get it configured correctly, I'd also recommend they send a message to Microsoft asking to fix this bug (how hard can ASCII be?), and perhaps having MS IE default to sending plain text instead of the weird text/HTML hybrid. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 11:25:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA072615536; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:25:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11774; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:08:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11471; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11368; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA05166 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:05:27 -0500 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03978; Thu, 9 Apr 98 11:06:48 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA29797 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:07:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:59 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: RedHat 5.0 Linux / TP755CE & Sound?!?! In-Reply-To: <352C2643.8A66C23@gte.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Bob Angell wrote: > Anyone on the list been able to get RedHat Linux 5.0 installed > and using the DSP chip on the 755Cx type Thinkpads? Any/all > help would be appreciated!! RedHat 5.0 is a little different from previous incarnations of Linux in that a lot of the sound drivers are precompiled into the kernel, and (for SB support at least) recompiling the kernal with sound explicitly enabled caused compile time errors for me. You're supposed to run something called sndconfig or snd_config or something like that which will search your hardware, ask you for settings, and correctly configure everything. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 12:58:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA095451109; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:58:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18424; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:53:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18181; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cuug.ab.ca (ibm.cuug.ab.ca [192.75.191.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18141; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cuug486.cuug.ab.ca (pepersb@linux [192.75.191.6]) by mail.cuug.ab.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA32846 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:53:05 -0600 From: Brad Pepers Received: (from pepersb@localhost) by cuug486.cuug.ab.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26110 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:53:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199804091653.KAA26110@cuug486.cuug.ab.ca> Subject: Video capture software? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980409082525.00a5eaa0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> from Jane Loyless at "Apr 9, 98 08:25:25 am" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:53:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 755CD which came with software for capturing video images. The software was lost over a year ago when I had to re-load the system. At the time I wasn't using the video capture but I would like to now. Any idea where I could get software that would work on the Thinkpad for doing this? -- Brad Pepers Proud supporter of Linux products (Caldera, Linux Canada Inc. Red Hat, Cyclades, ...) in Canada! brad@linuxcanada.com http://www.linuxcanada.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 13:50:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA106814200; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:50:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22281; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:43:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22168; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22100; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id KAA14675; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:40:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: Good Old 701's To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A few months ago my 701c began blanking to a white screen at random moments. I finally sent it in. It came back so fast I thought I had mis addressed the carton. They stuck a new LCD panel in it and it is again fine. The new panel has one pixel stuck on red, but it is in a corner and no big deal. Can't help but wonder if they even checked for a cable problem. I have an idea they have a bunch of 10.4 screens with no future, so they don't waste any valuable time when they have the screens available. Two days after getting it back, I noticed a crack in the lid half way up the right side. Don't know if it was there before or not, but I am going to open the lid up and see if I can reinforce the area. Also saw a posting on a newgroup about surplus direct selling refurbished 701c's for $476.00. For that price, I figured I would get one. A couple of days later, I saw some posts to the effect that people where being told their orders were no good because they had run out of the 701c at 476, but they did have some for about 200 dollars more. I knew it, too good to be true. ut then the machine showed up, so I guess surplus direct really did have some at 476. Anyway, the machine came with a nimh battery, floppy, 720 HD, cables and small ac adapter. Only the manuals were not included, but I already have those. Software was limited to PC-DOS 7. The only sign of use is the same crack my case has. The screen has no bad pixels, and the battery seems to be new, so I am pretty happy. Was planning on getting something more powerful, but this will work as a backup or email machine. -Frank __________________ peckham@netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 14:14:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA113075642; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:14:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24612; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:09:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24370; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24350; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id LAA02611 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00042D81; Thu, 9 Apr 98 10:13:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:13:19 -0700 Message-Id: <00042D81.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: 701 AC Adapter To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Spring Cleaning Sale (I keep finding stuff in my boxes): TP 701 AC Adapter PN 04H6136 $50 obo I still have 2 hard drives (previously posted): 340 MB 12.7 mm (IBM) no caddy - used in 701. 720 MB 12.7 mm (IBM) w/701 Caddy $150 for both (has W95 OSR2) Shipping on all items is extra. Money orders only, please. All items have been used, are in good condition. Will warrant against DOA. If you're interested, drop me an email. Thanks, Mitchell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 14:45:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA122067554; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:45:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27676; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:41:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27575; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27460; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10433; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:40:17 -0500 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06253; Thu, 9 Apr 98 14:41:37 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA17161; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:41:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Peckham Engineering Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Good Old 701's In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Peckham Engineering wrote: > > Two days after getting it back, I noticed a crack in the lid half way up > the right side. Don't know if it was there before or not, but I am > going to open the lid up and see if I can reinforce the area. A lot of 701 owners have the same crack. It comes from (I believe) picking up the machine while it is closed with your right hand. If you orient the machine to face you, close it, and pick it up with your right hand, your thumb falls almost exactly on the crack. IBM refused to fix my crack claiming that I made it (not true, they made it themselves during an easy-serv). I used some clear epoxy on it and that held for about a year, but the epoxy failed because once again, that's where I put my thumb to pick up the machine. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 16:11:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA143042661; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:11:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03379; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:07:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03182; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03167; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA07808; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:04:18 -1000 Message-Id: <002c01bd63f3$12b81aa0$0100a8c0@t.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "John Kim" , "Peckham Engineering" Cc: Subject: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:07:05 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Fixing modern plastics is a real problem - I haven't faced this yet on my laptops, but deal with it often on my car (an Italian sports car for which replacement parts are not always easily available). Special plastic epoxies really do adhere better to plastic than regular epoxy, but in general if an adhesive isn't designed for a specific kind of plastic or composition material then it will soon fail. On some plastics, the best solution is a heat weld - you can get spoon-like attachments for soldering irons for welding plastics this way. Good camera repair shops can often handle plastic repairs. The 701 plastic in particular is very much like a material that was popular on some SLRs 4-5 years ago (e.g., the slightly rubbery soft finish is just like what Sigma called a 'Zen' finish on their cameras). If I ever crack a case a photo shop is probably the first thing I'll try. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 17:05:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA158645936; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:05:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07356; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:03:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07239; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07223; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com (ottmsooc01.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.24]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA93432 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:58:11 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD63D8.D3D8D2D0@ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:59:15 -0400 Message-Id: From: TROTTIER Tom To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:05:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'd suggest that reinforcement, rather than repair is a more permanent solution. Sounds like a good place for a brass or stainless engraved nameplate. Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse an MCI Company (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182( : ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com : *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada* ~Questions answered, answers questioned~ >---------- >From: David Ross[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] >Sent: 1998 April 09 - Thursday 16:07 >To: John Kim; Peckham Engineering >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) > >Fixing modern plastics is a real problem - I haven't faced this yet on my >laptops, but deal with it often on my car (an Italian sports car for which >replacement parts are not always easily available). Special plastic epoxies >really do adhere better to plastic than regular epoxy, but in general if an >adhesive isn't designed for a specific kind of plastic or composition >material then it will soon fail. On some plastics, the best solution is a >heat weld - you can get spoon-like attachments for soldering irons for >welding plastics this way. > >Good camera repair shops can often handle plastic repairs. The 701 plastic >in particular is very much like a material that was popular on some SLRs 4-5 >years ago (e.g., the slightly rubbery soft finish is just like what Sigma >called a 'Zen' finish on their cameras). If I ever crack a case a photo >shop is probably the first thing I'll try. > >- David > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 18:36:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA179351403; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:36:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12263; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:33:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12039; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12026; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thorrune.earthlink.net (ip72.greenville.al.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.251.72]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10243; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <002201bd640f$f16d4880$48fb0b26@thorrune.earthlink.net> From: "Thor Stromsnes" To: "Paul Khoury" , , "Robert Dewar" , Subject: RE:770 external FD (was: 560 -vs- 600) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:33:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Nope, it uses a proprietary port/cable that also provides power (i.e. no = need for more then the one cable) I gotta add that I just *love* the Ultrabay in the 770; whatever unit I = choose to use there will hotswap like a dream( I regularly swap between = FD, DVD and VST ZIP100). Really makes you wonder why win95 has such a = hard time detecting new hardware on other PC's... Thor >On Tue, 7 Apr 98 08:41:36 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: > >>just a quick comment here. I really like the 770 design where the = internal >>floppy and external floppy are the same gizmo! >> >Does it connect via the parallel port? > > >--=20 >Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org >Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 5 >There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. >This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 29m 20s 648ms. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 20:14:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA198247285; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:14:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16375; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:11:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16066; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16022; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-290 (dialup-290.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.42.50]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA07626 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:09:27 +0100 Message-Id: <35293708.3373@iol.ie> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:11:52 +0100 From: Eoin Kavanagh Reply-To: eoin@iol.ie Organization: Granby Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 20:56:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA208749780; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:56:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18093; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:53:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17867; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17848; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IVOCAOGFEAADCU50@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:53:09 MST Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:53:49 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-Id: <352D6D9D.AC909F76@usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A roll of Duct tape can fix ANYTHING! And fix it good. Insert your own interpretation here. TROTTIER Tom wrote: > > I'd suggest that reinforcement, rather than repair is a more permanent > solution. > Sounds like a good place for a brass or stainless engraved nameplate. > Tom From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 9 22:44:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA228976277; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:44:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22208; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:41:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21949; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Tennis.Opus1.COM (Tennis.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21937; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IVOCZ8M42O8WW4IH@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:41:09 MST Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:29:50 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) In-Reply-To: "Message dated Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:53:49 -0600" <352D6D9D.AC909F76@usu.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IVODY7YV2Y8WW4IH@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > A roll of Duct tape can fix ANYTHING! And fix it good. And then later on when it's time to deal with all the left-over adhesive stuck to whatever was taped up cigarette lighter fluid (naphtha) on a paper towel is hard to beat. I don't think it'd hurt a Thinkpad case but you could test a small spot on the bottom first (where it won't ordinarily be seen) first. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 10 01:54:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA263057666; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:54:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27939; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:47:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27808; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27796; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts02.loop.net (p29.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.104]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA00715; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804100546.WAA00715@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Thu, 09 Apr 98 22:47:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: iomega Zip Drive 100MB Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:23:48 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 12:42 AM 4/8/98, Paul Khoury wrote: > >>>i don't think so, because the ZIP drives which are offerd by iomega OEM's >(VTS?) >>>require a UltraBay II or III which is only available in 7xx series of >ThinkPads. >>> >>And this does NOT include the 700, 701, 710, 720, 730, and 755, for >reference. >> > >It includes the 755CD and 755CDV systems: > Opps! I didn't know these had UltraBays. Guess I learned something new. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 21h 53m 42s 789ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 10 01:54:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA263157680; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:54:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28306; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:49:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27986; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27935; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts02.loop.net (p29.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.104]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA00937; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804100548.WAA00937@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Kim" , "Thinkpad" Date: Thu, 09 Apr 98 22:48:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HTML encoded mail Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: >On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Bob Garagliano wrote: > >> I don't mind the HTML as much as I mind excessive quoting. That has been >> quite excessive here of late. > >Enough has probably been said on this, but I'll toss in my >2 cents since I tend to do more answering than asking on this >list. > >My mail program can't view HTML attachments. The mail program >that comes with Microsoft Internet Explorer claims to send a >text version (labeled ASCII) and an HTML version (labeled HTML). >The ASCII version isn't - I suspect it includes some binary >characters which pine doesn't like and I end up with an "unable >to view non-ASCII text" error. > >The end result is that I don't bother reading any messages that >come through formatted like that. I just delete them rather >than go through the gymnastics of saving it to a file and >viewing it later. Every once in a while I'll send a message >telling people about the problem (this is one of them :-). It's >up to them to configure their mail program to send plain text >only. If they don't/can't, I don't read their messages, and >hence don't answer their questions. > >If they do get it configured correctly, I'd also recommend they >send a message to Microsoft asking to fix this bug (how hard can >ASCII be?), and perhaps having MS IE default to sending plain >text instead of the weird text/HTML hybrid. > I completely agree, and basically this is all I'm asking. Okay, now let's get back to ThinkPad relevant stuff... :) -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Sent from my P75 Server running OS/2 Warp 4.0, Fixpack 6 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 21h 55m 29s 226ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 10 02:38:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271300286; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:38:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00167; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:33:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29962; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29949; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts02.loop.net (p29.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.104]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA14073; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:32:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804100632.XAA14073@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Kim" , "Peckham Engineering" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 09 Apr 98 23:32:52 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Good Old 701's Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >A lot of 701 owners have the same crack. It comes from (I >believe) picking up the machine while it is closed with your >right hand. If you orient the machine to face you, close it, >and pick it up with your right hand, your thumb falls almost >exactly on the crack. IBM refused to fix my crack claiming that >I made it (not true, they made it themselves during an >easy-serv). I used some clear epoxy on it and that held for >about a year, but the epoxy failed because once again, that's >where I put my thumb to pick up the machine. > I don't know why IBM can't repair it, but it's probably because of it no longer being manafactured. And this crack is around the right left hinge, right? Also, has anyone had real trouble with the Multiport II hinge? I'm on Multiport # 4 or 5 now. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 10 02:39:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271540380; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:39:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00495; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:34:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00292; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00227; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts02.loop.net (p29.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.104]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA14114; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804100633.XAA14114@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Greg Alvandian" Date: Thu, 09 Apr 98 23:33:53 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:53:49 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: >A roll of Duct tape can fix ANYTHING! And fix it good. Insert your own >interpretation here. Well, that's true, but on a ThinkPad, I'd imagine it'd look kind of tacky. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 10 08:57:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026073047; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:57:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16728; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:54:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16558; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16546; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laptop (slip129-37-231-238.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.231.238]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA42340; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:54:07 GMT Message-Id: <000b01bd6487$e4648f40$eee72581@laptop> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Greg Alvandian" Subject: Re: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:52:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just replaced the bottom half-case of my TP755CD. It was a hassle, but the part only cost $63. The shop manuals for Thinkpads are online now which made it easier. You might just fix it yourself. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: ThinkPad List ; Greg Alvandian Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) >On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:53:49 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: > >>A roll of Duct tape can fix ANYTHING! And fix it good. Insert your own >>interpretation here. > >Well, that's true, but on a ThinkPad, I'd imagine it'd look kind of tacky. > >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server >Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 10 11:49:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA055783392; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:49:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23291; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:45:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22893; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.infi.net (mailhost.infi.net [208.131.167.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22870; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm4-156.gso.infi.net (pm4-156.gso.infi.net [208.142.85.156]) by mailhost.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06795 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <352E303E.1507@nr.infi.net> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:44:14 -0400 From: Bob Agresti Reply-To: ragresti@nr.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SurferKit (Win16; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 10 15:58:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115628329; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:58:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05076; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:56:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04871; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from randomc.com (cluster1.nbank.net [207.15.208.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04790; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentiumnt (pm-atl-1-43.nbank.net [209.195.11.43]) by randomc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA09517; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <001201bd64c2$ee9028e0$021175cd@pentiumnt.randomc.com> Reply-To: "Sam Glass" From: "Sam Glass" To: Cc: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:55:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu UNSUBSCRIBE From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 10 21:17:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA180547437; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:17:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17098; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:15:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16969; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16956; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA10384 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:14:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804110114.UAA10384@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from sfo-ca43-61.ix.netcom.com(205.186.126.253) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010361; Fri Apr 10 20:14:01 1998 X-Sender: hillardk@netcom13.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:13:00 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Hillard M. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 10 21:33:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA183448386; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:33:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17864; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:27:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17771; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17759; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash2-115.flash.net [209.30.74.115]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15159 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:27:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <352EC712.21858FFD@flash.net> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:27:46 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Temporary disconnect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm going to have to unsubscribe for a few days while I go out of town. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 04:23:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA252833022; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 04:23:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00677; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 04:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 04:20:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00472; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 04:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (devil.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.214]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00440; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 04:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michey@localhost) by devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13505; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:18:39 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: devil.prz.tu-berlin.de: michey owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:18:38 +0200 (MEST) From: Michael Eyrich To: Paul Khoury Cc: John Kim , Thinkpad Subject: Re: HTML encoded mail In-Reply-To: <199804100548.WAA00937@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: [...] | Okay, now let's get back to ThinkPad relevant stuff... :) and shorten the quoted part, Paul. 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Michael Eyrich From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 07:13:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA274103213; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:13:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11133; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:11:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10998; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10986; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from capecod.net (camb729.capecod.net [209.113.228.221]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA06283 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:11:45 -0400 Message-Id: <352F4FB4.67D7E63E@capecod.net> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:10:44 -0400 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: WARP 4 & PC Cards on TP760XD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does WARP 4 support Cardbus cards on a TP760XD? The machine thinks my 3COM Fast Etherlink XL 3C575-TX card is some kind of memory device and not a network adapter card. It doesn't make any difference whether or not CardBus support is enabled through the TP Configuration Utility. I'm also having trouble enabling COM1 for external serial devices simultaneously with the MWAVE modem on COM2 and a PC Card modem in one of the slots on COM3. Anybody know the magic config.sys commands to make this happen without any IRQ conflicts? Thanks in advance. Bob Dietrich From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 16:45:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA068277541; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:45:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23567; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:41:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23219; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23202; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts04.loop.net (p14.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.149]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA01982; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804112040.NAA01982@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "bigdaddy25@mindless.com" , "rdietric" , "Thinkpad" Date: Sat, 11 Apr 98 10:28:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WARP 4 & PC Cards on TP760XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I'm also having trouble enabling COM1 for external serial devices >simultaneously with the MWAVE modem on COM2 and a PC Card modem in one >of the slots on COM3. Anybody know the magic config.sys commands to >make this happen without any IRQ conflicts? > Just as long as the device supports different non-standard IRQs, you should have no problem. For example, I was able to configure my Home & Away under Warp 3 and 4 for IRQ 11. If the driver supports it, you can do that to avoid conflicts. And if you had a Microchannel machine like the 700 or 720, you could have up to 8 COM and LPT ports. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 18:10:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA080062655; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:10:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25695; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:09:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25478; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f59.hotmail.com [207.82.250.145]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25465; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22318 invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 1998 22:08:30 -0000 Message-Id: <19980411220830.22317.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.48.31.151 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:08:25 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [206.48.31.151] From: "matcho essawy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Windows NT 4 Workstation on Thinkpad 380 ED Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:08:25 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 09:16:19 1998 >Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mx04.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA13363 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT) >From: owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id MAA16705; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:15:22 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:15:22 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:15:11 -0400 >To: thinkpad-digest-recipients:; >Subject: thinkpad digest for Sat, 11 Apr 1998 >Reply-To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="98041112150116633" >Message-ID: > >Submissions for the thinkpad list should be sent to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >(When replying, please edit your Subject line so that it doesn't say: >"Re: thinkpad digest for...") > >To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > Hello All, I am lokking to change my operating system from Win 95 to Win NT 4 workstation , I am currently using the Thinkpad 380 ED any one is using the NT can advize if there will be any uncompetability or problems that i will get from this change , specialy with card works as i am using lot of different PCMCIA cards . Is the machine will be slower with the NT 4 workstation Thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 18:21:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA081513293; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:21:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26401; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:20:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26210; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [207.51.48.185]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26198; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad.egyptonline.com ([206.48.31.151]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id SAA13664 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by thinkpad.egyptonline.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD65A8.FA66E3C0@thinkpad.egyptonline.com>; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:21:46 +0200 Message-Id: <01BD65A8.FA66E3C0@thinkpad.egyptonline.com> From: "Mohamed I. Essawi" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Thinkpad 380 ED processor upgrade Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:21:28 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 09:16:19 1998 >Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by=20 mx04.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA13363 for=20 ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT) >From: owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id MAA16705; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:15:22 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:15:22 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998=20 12:15:11 -0400 >To: thinkpad-digest-recipients:; >Subject: thinkpad digest for Sat, 11 Apr 1998 >Reply-To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"98041112150116633" >Message-ID: > >Submissions for the thinkpad list should be sent to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >(When replying, please edit your Subject line so that it doesn't say: >"Re: thinkpad digest for...") > >To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > Dear All, I want to upgrade my 380 ED 166 Mhz processor to the new 266 Mhz = processor that is used in the newer 380 XD model. is this possible or I = have to live with my 166 Mhz.=20 Best Regards, From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 19:26:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA090947181; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:26:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28552; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:24:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28363; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate32.a001.sprintmail.com (mailgate32-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28350; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailgate32.a001.sprintmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA21317; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:23:41 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Received: from sdn-ts-002nypougp03.dialsprint.net(168.191.32.38) by mailfep2-hme1 via dsmap-1.22 id Q_10.1.1.6/Q_11629_1_352ffb7a; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:23:38 -0700 From: "." To: "matcho essawy" , Subject: RE: Windows NT 4 Workstation on ThinkPad 380 ED Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:23:32 -0400 Message-Id: <002a01bd65a0$d7ae77b0$2a20bfa8@mother> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19980411220830.22317.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I am lokking to change my operating system from Win 95 to Win NT 4 works >Will the machine be slower with the NT 4 workstation Depends on your machine's configuration. Currently running WinNT 4 on a 770 (233 MHz; 160 MB RAM), and apart from a longer startup, it outperforms Win 95 in all other ways. Looking to switch to Linux completely ... any one have any pointers as to configuring X windows apart from getting the 'accelerated x servers' from XI Graphics? (Those servers are selling for $200.00). Any one used XFree86 on a 770? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 20:41:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA101871681; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:41:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00538; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:39:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00311; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate32.a001.sprintmail.com (mailgate32-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00299; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailgate32.a001.sprintmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA28424; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:38:07 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Received: from sdn-ts-002nypougp03.dialsprint.net(168.191.32.38) by mailfep2-hme1 via dsmap-1.22 id Q_10.1.1.6/Q_24010_1_35300cb3; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:37:07 -0700 From: "." To: Cc: Subject: Linux on TP Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:37:02 -0400 Message-Id: <002b01bd65ab$1c069b90$2a20bfa8@mother> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35300866.71B6E573@walrus.com> Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David ... You appear to be comfortable with Linux on your TP. I have Caldera Linux (with 2.0.33 kernel) and can't setup X windows. Also new to Unix and having problems setting up the kernel for the DSP modem and sound in my TP 770. Would really appreciate it if you can work with me to set this up since I am very anxious to switch to Linux as my primary work environment. Would be willing to call you (POTS) or use ICQ, or any other real-time comm. system to get this to work. My address is wazulu@usa.net. Peter >I have the Win95 setup (in a zip file) and a compressed >archive of the RH5.0 2.0.32 kernel build ready to deliver, >but it's ~6MB and I can't store it at my website: e-mail >me if you're interested, with the subject "Linux for TP!" >and I'll get back to you for the logistics. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 21:49:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA112145749; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:49:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02230; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:46:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01969; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01955; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerryray (209-142-5-15.stk.inreach.net [209.142.5.15]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id SAA14448 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804120142.SAA14448@mail.inreach.com> Reply-To: From: "Janice Ray" To: Subject: Thinkpad 700 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:42:02 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everyone I have 2 thinkpad 700,s that need repair, they both are missing hardrives. One is a 700 C which is color.Type 9552-30B The other 9552-301 monochrome.I am looking for parts etc. Like hardrives. If I can't find the necessary parts then I might sell them. Janice djmusic@inreach.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 11 23:09:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA124340593; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:09:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04821; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:07:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04544; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04504; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-versa (ppp-223-035.usc.edu [128.125.223.35]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA24390; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804120307.UAA24390@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:06:43 -0700 To: From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 Cc: In-Reply-To: <199804120142.SAA14448@mail.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:42 PM 4/11/98 , Janice Ray wrote: >Hello everyone I have 2 thinkpad 700,s that need repair, they both are >missing hardrives. One is a 700 C which is color.Type 9552-30B >The other 9552-301 monochrome.I am looking for parts etc. Like hardrives. >If I can't find the necessary parts then I might sell them. >Janice djmusic@inreach.com Good luck. Those are microchannel machines. They'll require very special hard drives. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 12 00:19:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA135574749; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:19:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07225; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:14:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06728; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.walrus.com (frog.walrus.com [206.24.16.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06716; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from walrus.com (dialup-206-153-126-243.walrus.com [206.153.126.243]) by mailhub.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id AAA14988 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: davidc@walrus.com Message-Id: <35303F7C.D819C55F@walrus.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:13:48 -0400 From: David Carrigan Organization: withall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.3 IP32) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Fwd: Linux on TP] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A413880F3F8CD7AE9A7986BC" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A413880F3F8CD7AE9A7986BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, Changed the servers around... FWIW, David -- _____________________________________________ ... d a v i d c @ w a l r u s . c o m ) - - - - - - - ^ --------------A413880F3F8CD7AE9A7986BC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: davidc@walrus.com Received: from mail-extgw1.walrus.com (root@tweedledee.walrus.com [206.24.16.17]) by mailhub.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id AAA14860 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emma (dialup-206-153-126-243.walrus.com [206.153.126.243]) by mail-extgw1.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with SMTP id AAA27222 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from walrus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emma (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA05117; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:07:48 -0400 Sender: davidc@walrus.com Message-ID: <35303E14.1A2D0457@walrus.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:07:48 -0400 From: David Carrigan Organization: withall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wazulu@usa.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, davidc@walrus.com Subject: Re: Linux on TP References: <002b01bd65ab$1c069b90$2a20bfa8@mother> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------25635C2D7C257364CC94E0C2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------25635C2D7C257364CC94E0C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter, I won't be able to do anything "real-time," but that shouldn't dissuade you... and you'll appreciate savings on your 'phone bill! First, a little info: --Mwave modems will likely never work. --A "total Linux" TP will be soundless; you need at least some sort of DOS-like partition to load the DOS/WIN only Mwave DSP drivers. I find little use for sound while working with my computer. I should say, sound _from_ my computer! So this was merely an exercise for me... I mean, like, what... boot windows to boot linux! Horrors! Plus, the "sound" kernel cannot have any APM features, and I like to have the box power-off when I shut down. So what I have is "sound-on-APM-off" for one kernel, and a "sound-off-APM-on" kernel. My kernel build is for RedHat, not Caldera; however, I am attaching my X server config file, which may help with the graphical. With RedHat Linux, this file is in "/etc/X11." It's called "XF86Config." With it, all I have to do is enter "startx -- -bpp 16" and get 16bit 1024x768. I don't use other resolutions. So, at your prompt, type "ls /etc/X11" If you get a list of files, that's part of the task. Do you see the "XF86Config" file? Now, type "which xf86config" Did you get a line reading something like "/usr/bin/X11/xf86config" ? BTW-it'd be best if you were logged in as "root" to do this! If you did, e-mail and tell me. If you didn't... well I can't really suggest what to do, because I don't know what Caldera might have done with X11. Here are a few URLs http://www.zebra.fh-weingarten.de/~kaufmann/laptop/welcome.html http://www.redhat.com/linux-info/laptop/ http://www.muc.de/~hm/linux/thinkpad.html http://www.screamin.demon.co.uk/mwave.html http://www.mindspring.com/~jhind/tplinux/ Two disclaimers: The attached "XF86Config" file may damage your computer LCD! DO NOT use it unless you assume full responsiblity for such use. I don't use it on a ThinkPad 770. I do not claim that it will work on any system, but my own. It is said that the fault of UNIX based OS's is the lack of standardization. However, UNIX based OS's run on more types of hardware configurations than does any other OS. There may not be a standard UNIX, but so to, lack's a standard computer hardware! HTH, David . wrote: > > David ... You appear to be comfortable with Linux on your TP. I have > Caldera Linux (with 2.0.33 kernel) and can't setup X windows. Also new to > Unix and having problems setting up the kernel for the DSP modem and sound > in my TP 770. Would really appreciate it if you can work with me to set > this up since I am very anxious to switch to Linux as my primary work > environment. Would be willing to call you (POTS) or use ICQ, or any other > real-time comm. system to get this to work. My address is wazulu@usa.net. > > Peter > > >I have the Win95 setup (in a zip file) and a compressed > >archive of the RH5.0 2.0.32 kernel build ready to deliver, > >but it's ~6MB and I can't store it at my website: e-mail > >me if you're interested, with the subject "Linux for TP!" > >and I'll get back to you for the logistics. -- _____________________________________________ ... d a v i d c @ w a l r u s . c o m ) - - - - - - - ^ --------------25635C2D7C257364CC94E0C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="XF86Config" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="XF86Config" # File generated by xf86config. # # Copyright (c) 1995 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, # WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF # OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE # SOFTWARE. # # Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall # not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other # dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the # XFree86 Project. # # ********************************************************************** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ********************************************************************** Section "Files" # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) # # If you don't have a floating point coprocessor and emacs, Mosaic or other # programs take long to start up, try moving the Type1 and Speedo directory # to the end of this list (or comment them out). # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" # For OSs that support Dynamically loaded modules, ModulePath can be # used to set a search path for the modules. This is currently supported # for Linux ELF, FreeBSD 2.x and NetBSD 1.x. The default path is shown # here. # ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Module section -- this is an optional section which is used to specify # which dynamically loadable modules to load. Dynamically loadable # modules are currently supported only for Linux ELF, FreeBSD 2.x # and NetBSD 1.x. Currently, dynamically loadable modules are used # only for some extended input (XInput) device drivers. # ********************************************************************** # # Section "Module" # # This loads the module for the Joystick driver # # Load "xf86Jstk.so" # # EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Server flags section. # ********************************************************************** Section "ServerFlags" # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging # NoTrapSignals # Uncomment this to disable the server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. # DontZap # Uncomment this to disable the / mode switching # sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events. # DontZoom # Uncomment this to disable tuning with the xvidtune client. With # it the client can still run and fetch card and monitor attributes, # but it will not be allowed to change them. If it tries it will # receive a protocol error. # DisableVidModeExtension # Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local xvidtune client. # AllowNonLocalXvidtune # Uncomment this to disable dynamically modifying the input device # (mouse and keyboard) settings. # DisableModInDev # Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local client to # change the keyboard or mouse settings (currently only xset). # AllowNonLocalModInDev EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Input devices # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Keyboard section # ********************************************************************** Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the # following line # Protocol "Xqueue" AutoRepeat 500 5 # Let the server do the NumLock processing. This should only be required # when using pre-R6 clients # ServerNumLock # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Xleds 1 2 3 # To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, # RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock: # LeftAlt Meta # RightAlt ModeShift # RightCtl Compose # ScrollLock ModeLock # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # XkbDisable # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # XkbModel "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # XkbModel "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # XkbLayout "de" # or: # XkbLayout "de" # XkbVariant "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps" # These are the default XKB settings for XFree86 # XkbRules "xfree86" # XkbModel "pc101" # XkbLayout "us" # XkbVariant "" # XkbOptions "" XkbKeymap "xfree86(us)" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Pointer section # ********************************************************************** Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" # When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment # the following line. # Protocol "Xqueue" # Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice # BaudRate 9600 # SampleRate 150 # Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice # Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms) Emulate3Buttons Emulate3Timeout 50 # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # ChordMiddle EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Xinput section -- this is optional and is required only if you # are using extended input devices. This is for example only. Refer # to the XF86Config man page for a description of the options. # ********************************************************************** # # Section "Xinput" # SubSection "WacomStylus" # Port "/dev/ttyS1" # DeviceName "Wacom" # EndSubSection # SubSection "WacomCursor" # Port "/dev/ttyS1" # EndSubSection # SubSection "WacomEraser" # Port "/dev/ttyS1" # EndSubSection # # SubSection "Elographics" # Port "/dev/ttyS1" # DeviceName "Elo" # MinimumXPosition 300 # MaximumXPosition 3500 # MinimumYPosition 300 # MaximumYPosition 3500 # Screen 0 # UntouchDelay 10 # ReportDelay 10 # EndSubSection # # SubSection "Joystick" # Port "/dev/joy0" # DeviceName "Joystick" # TimeOut 10 # MinimumXPosition 100 # MaximumXPosition 1300 # MinimumYPosition 100 # MaximumYPosition 1100 # # CenterX 700 # # CenterY 600 # Delta 20 # EndSubSection # # The Mouse Subsection contains the same type of entries as the # standard Pointer Section (see above), with the addition of the # DeviceName entry. # # SubSection "Mouse" # Port "/dev/mouse2" # DeviceName "Second Mouse" # Protocol "Logitech" # EndSubSection # EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "My Monitor" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. HorizSync 31.5 - 48.5 # HorizSync 30-64 # multisync # HorizSync 31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies # HorizSync 15-25, 30-50 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. VertRefresh 50-100 # Modes can be specified in two formats. A compact one-line format, or # a multi-line format. # These two are equivalent # ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # Mode "1024x768i" # DotClock 45 # HTimings 1024 1048 1208 1264 # VTimings 768 776 784 817 # Flags "Interlace" # EndMode # This is a set of standard mode timings. Modes that are out of monitor spec # are automatically deleted by the server (provided the HorizSync and # VertRefresh lines are correct), so there's no immediate need to # delete mode timings (unless particular mode timings don't work on your # monitor). With these modes, the best standard mode that your monitor # and video card can support for a given resolution is automatically # used. # 640x400 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x400" 25.175 640 664 760 800 400 409 411 450 # 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 # 800x600 @ 56 Hz, 35.15 kHz hsync ModeLine "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 # 1024x768 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 35.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # 640x400 @ 85 Hz, 37.86 kHz hsync Modeline "640x400" 31.5 640 672 736 832 400 401 404 445 -HSync +VSync # 640x480 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 31.5 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 # 640x480 @ 75 Hz, 37.50 kHz hsync ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -HSync -VSync # 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # 640x480 @ 85 Hz, 43.27 kHz hsync Modeline "640x400" 36 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 89 Hz interlaced, 44 kHz hsync ModeLine "1152x864" 65 1152 1168 1384 1480 864 865 875 985 Interlace # 800x600 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600" 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync # 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 48.4 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 640x480 @ 100 Hz, 53.01 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 45.8 640 672 768 864 480 488 494 530 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 60 Hz, 53.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 89.9 1152 1216 1472 1680 864 868 876 892 -HSync -VSync # 800x600 @ 85 Hz, 55.84 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600" 60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 -HSync -VSync # 1024x768 @ 70 Hz, 56.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 1280x1024 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 51 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 80 1280 1296 1512 1568 1024 1025 1037 1165 Interlace # 800x600 @ 100 Hz, 64.02 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600" 69.65 800 864 928 1088 600 604 610 640 -HSync -VSync # 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 # 1152x864 @ 70 Hz, 62.4 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 92 1152 1208 1368 1474 864 865 875 895 # 1280x1024 @ 61 Hz, 64.2 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 # 1024x768 @ 85 Hz, 70.24 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 98.9 1024 1056 1216 1408 768 782 788 822 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 78 Hz, 70.8 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 110 1152 1240 1324 1552 864 864 876 908 # 1280x1024 @ 70 Hz, 74.59 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 126.5 1280 1312 1472 1696 1024 1032 1040 1068 -HSync -VSync # 1600x1200 @ 60Hz, 75.00 kHz hsync Modeline "1600x1200" 162 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync # 1152x864 @ 84 Hz, 76.0 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 135 1152 1464 1592 1776 864 864 876 908 # 1280x1024 @ 74 Hz, 78.85 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 135 1280 1312 1456 1712 1024 1027 1030 1064 # 1024x768 @ 100Hz, 80.21 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 115.5 1024 1056 1248 1440 768 771 781 802 -HSync -VSync # 1280x1024 @ 76 Hz, 81.13 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 135 1280 1312 1416 1664 1024 1027 1030 1064 # 1600x1200 @ 70 Hz, 87.50 kHz hsync Modeline "1600x1200" 189 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 100 Hz, 89.62 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 137.65 1152 1184 1312 1536 864 866 885 902 -HSync -VSync # 1280x1024 @ 85 Hz, 91.15 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 157.5 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +HSync +VSync # 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz, 93.75 kHz hsync Modeline "1600x1200" 202.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync # 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz, 105.77 kHz hsync Modeline "1600x1200" 220 1600 1616 1808 2080 1200 1204 1207 1244 +HSync +VSync # 1280x1024 @ 100 Hz, 107.16 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 181.75 1280 1312 1440 1696 1024 1031 1046 1072 -HSync -VSync # 1800x1440 @ 64Hz, 96.15 kHz hsync ModeLine "1800X1440" 230 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync # 1800x1440 @ 70Hz, 104.52 kHz hsync ModeLine "1800X1440" 250 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync # 512x384 @ 78 Hz, 31.50 kHz hsync Modeline "512x384" 20.160 512 528 592 640 384 385 388 404 -HSync -VSync # 512x384 @ 85 Hz, 34.38 kHz hsync Modeline "512x384" 22 512 528 592 640 384 385 388 404 -HSync -VSync # Low-res Doublescan modes # If your chipset does not support doublescan, you get a 'squashed' # resolution like 320x400. # 320x200 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio Modeline "320x200" 12.588 320 336 384 400 200 204 205 225 Doublescan # 320x240 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio Modeline "320x240" 12.588 320 336 384 400 240 245 246 262 Doublescan # 320x240 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync Modeline "320x240" 15.750 320 336 384 400 240 244 246 262 Doublescan # 400x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio ModeLine "400x300" 18 400 416 448 512 300 301 302 312 Doublescan # 400x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync Modeline "400x300" 20 400 416 480 528 300 301 303 314 Doublescan # 400x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync Modeline "400x300" 25 400 424 488 520 300 319 322 333 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio ModeLine "480x300" 21.656 480 496 536 616 300 301 302 312 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync Modeline "480x300" 23.890 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 63 Hz, 39.6 kHz hsync Modeline "480x300" 25 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync Modeline "480x300" 29.952 480 504 584 624 300 319 322 333 Doublescan EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Graphics device section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Standard VGA Device: Section "Device" Identifier "Generic VGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Chipset "generic" # VideoRam 256 # Clocks 25.2 28.3 EndSection # Sample Device for accelerated server: # Section "Device" # Identifier "Actix GE32+ 2MB" # VendorName "Actix" # BoardName "GE32+" # Ramdac "ATT20C490" # Dacspeed 110 # Option "dac_8_bit" # Clocks 25.0 28.0 40.0 0.0 50.0 77.0 36.0 45.0 # Clocks 130.0 120.0 80.0 31.0 110.0 65.0 75.0 94.0 # EndSection # Sample Device for Hercules mono card: # Section "Device" # Identifier "Hercules mono" # EndSection # Device configured by xf86config: Section "Device" Identifier "My Video Card" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" #VideoRam 2048 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Screen sections # ********************************************************************** # The Colour SVGA server Section "Screen" Driver "svga" # Use Device "Generic VGA" for Standard VGA 320x200x256 #Device "Generic VGA" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "My Monitor" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 # Omit the Modes line for the "Generic VGA" device Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 # Use Virtual 320 200 for Generic VGA EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # The 16-color VGA server Section "Screen" Driver "vga16" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "My Monitor" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection EndSection # The Mono server Section "Screen" Driver "vga2" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "My Monitor" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection EndSection # The accelerated servers (S3, Mach32, Mach8, 8514, P9000, AGX, W32, Mach64) Section "Screen" Driver "accel" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "My Monitor" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection --------------25635C2D7C257364CC94E0C2-- --------------A413880F3F8CD7AE9A7986BC-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 12 02:19:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157591939; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:18:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09774; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:16:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09553; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (smtp2.teleport.com [192.108.254.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09540; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22731; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA11896; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: Randal Whittle Cc: djmusic@inreach.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 In-Reply-To: <199804120307.UAA24390@almaak.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I thought the old MCA laptops just used a 2.5 scsi drive? On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > Good luck. Those are microchannel machines. They'll require very special > hard drives. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 12 07:41:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA204801278; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:41:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23195; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:38:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22970; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22949; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:37:55 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:37:54 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Patrick West wrote: > I thought the old MCA laptops just used a 2.5 scsi drive? No, definitely not (there were just a few laptops using scsi hard drives, e.g. the Tadpole). The 700, as the 720, the other IBM MCA machine, uses ESDI - too expensive to buy a new HD unless you get a used one. The controller is integrated into the disk drive. Good luck Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 12 12:08:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA248337336; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:08:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27946; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:05:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27663; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us [164.107.107.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27649; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08906; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pcarter@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA25067; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:04:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Carter Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 To: Randal Whittle Cc: djmusic@inreach.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199804120307.UAA24390@almaak.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try upgrades.com. They sell HD's for the 700/720. On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 06:42 PM 4/11/98 , Janice Ray wrote: > >Hello everyone I have 2 thinkpad 700,s that need repair, they both are > >missing hardrives. One is a 700 C which is color.Type 9552-30B > >The other 9552-301 monochrome.I am looking for parts etc. Like hardrives. > >If I can't find the necessary parts then I might sell them. > >Janice djmusic@inreach.com > > Good luck. Those are microchannel machines. They'll require very special > hard drives. > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 12 12:26:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA251048371; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:26:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28965; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:24:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28821; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us [164.107.107.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28809; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09771; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pcarter@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA27315; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Carter Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 To: Patrick West Cc: Randal Whittle , djmusic@inreach.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Nope, they're 2.5" ESDI drives. On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Patrick West wrote: > I thought the old MCA laptops just used a 2.5 scsi drive? > > On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > > Good luck. Those are microchannel machines. They'll require very special > > hard drives. > > Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp > PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D > Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu > NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 04:22:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA124745744; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:22:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26938; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:11:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26028; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26004; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bedrock by wuff.mayn.de via rmail with uucp id for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:10:02 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:08:15 +0100 Message-Id: <3531d5ff.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "Paul Rubin" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 09:56:01 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: gunked up keyboard suggestions? Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:35:47 -0700 (PDT), Paul Rubin wrote: >Anyone got a good way to clean them enough to make >the typing action lighter? Yes, I had the same problem on my 9 months old TP760ED. I pulled out the stiff keycaps and put some graphite on their back. Then I re-inserted the caps and hit them some times so that the graphite got its "gliding" property. On some keys I had to do that more than once. HTH --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 04:22:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA124845762; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:22:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26940; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:11:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26052; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26016; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bedrock by wuff.mayn.de via rmail with uucp id for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:10:37 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:46:06 +0100 Message-Id: <3531d0ce.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "bigdaddy25@mindless.com" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 09:46:04 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WARP 4 & PC Cards on TP760XD Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:10:44 -0400, rdietric wrote: >Does WARP 4 support Cardbus cards on a TP760XD? My latest info is that neither CardBus nor the 3c575 are supported. I use a Xircom CCE3-10/100 that comes with a direct enabler. It took me some time to make it work together with my Adaptec SlimSCSI, but it works reliably now. AFAIK there is only one Fast Ethernet NIC that has PCMCIA Plug'n'Play drivers for OS/2: LinkSys EtherFast. --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 11:52:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA200532735; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:52:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18780; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:42:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18164; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18143; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24653; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:41:20 -0500 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05418; Mon, 13 Apr 98 11:42:44 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA13369; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:42:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:42:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Good Old 701's In-Reply-To: <199804100632.XAA14073@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >A lot of 701 owners have the same crack. It comes from (I > >believe) picking up the machine while it is closed with your > >right hand. If you orient the machine to face you, close it, > >and pick it up with your right hand, your thumb falls almost > >exactly on the crack. IBM refused to fix my crack claiming that > > I don't know why IBM can't repair it, but it's probably > because of it no longer being manafactured. And this crack is > around the right left hinge, right? Well, if you read my description above, it's pretty obvious the crack is in the middle of the right side of the lid, nowhere near the hinges. :-) back +--------------+ | | | | | top | <- crack | | | | +--------------+ front -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 12:43:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214285821; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:43:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22222; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:42:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22086; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (peckham@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22059; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA04055; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Peckham Engineering Sender: Peckham Engineering Reply-To: Peckham Engineering Subject: fixed 701 crack To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Spent this weekend fixing the crack in the lid of my 701. It was pretty easy to do, and seems to be real strong. I am including a description of the methods I used in case anyone is interested. First, I removed the bezel by taking out the torx screws. Bezel also has some plastic tabs holding it down, which can be freed by spreading the bezel away from the lid. Flopped the LCD down so the Lid was empty. Put a drop of plastic weld on the crack. I used something called Tenax-7R. Its about the consistancy of acetone, and is full of nasty chemicals that disolve the plastic. That fixed the crack, but I figured it would break again, so I reinforced the area. I cut some fiberglass cloth into strips about 1 x 3. The glass was about like tissue paper, not the heavy stuff. put a strip down on the crack and wet it with the Tenax. Pressed it into the plastic case. Slapped on a strip of .006 thick stainless steel. Not sure this was needed, but it seemed perfect for the job. Used some Tenax to hold it in place. It was about .25 x 2 inches. Then Used some Kwik Bond 1 ( ACC glue) to secure it. Added another layer of fiberglass. Used Kwik bond on this too. This is very watery, so It soaked in good. The Q-tip I was using started smoking during this, I guess from the large surface area of the cotton reacting with the glue. Added a final layer of glue and glass. Used a belt sander to lightly thin the bezel plastic to clear the patch. This all only took about an hour, and the finished patch was thin enough I am not sure the thinning out step was even necessary. Can't be sure it will hold over the long run, but It seems real strong and now the case doesn't feel mushy and grunch against the bezel when I pick the thing up. -Frank Peckham __________________ peckham@netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 16:20:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260388843; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:20:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06033; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:17:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05787; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.rimco.com (zeus.rimco.com [206.113.1.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05774; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zeus with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:08:03 -0400 Message-Id: <31183FB37EF0CF11A24C00A02468EB9E146A94@zeus> From: "Ronald M. Egalka" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Win98 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:08:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone have any report/success/etc installing Win98 on TPs? I just received the "Consumer Preview" version (third beta) and thought I'd ask before subjecting my 770 to it. Thanks Ronald M. Egalka regalka@rimco.com President Rampart Investment Management Co., Inc. http://www.rimco.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 16:52:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266120761; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:52:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08448; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:51:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08275; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08263; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:51:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27126; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA17949; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 852565E5.0072E3AB ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:54:53 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: "Ronald M. Egalka" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Message-Id: <852565E5.00723F96.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:49:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Win98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Been running it over a montn now on my TP770 and so far have thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Much, much more stable than 95 ever was and much faster. Haven't noticed any compatibility problems as of yet.... -Bill "Ronald M. Egalka" on 04/13/98 04:08:01 PM To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" cc: Subject: Win98 Anyone have any report/success/etc installing Win98 on TPs? I just received the "Consumer Preview" version (third beta) and thought I'd ask before subjecting my 770 to it. Thanks Ronald M. Egalka regalka@rimco.com President Rampart Investment Management Co., Inc. http://www.rimco.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 17:15:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA270732156; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:15:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09967; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:14:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09877; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09825; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18704 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:14:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 13 Apr 98 23:14:16 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 13 Apr 98 23:14:08 +0200 Received: from wex133.extern.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.248.133) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 13 Apr 98 23:14:01 +0200 From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 23:14:07 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MWave-Modem in Germany Message-Id: <207622F3F25@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! Some time ago I asked about how one get's MWave of US-TP's working with the german Telekom. Here's the answer I found form some mailings and reserach work on the net, just if someone of you ever has the same problem: Wireing: ~~~~~~~~ RJ11: ----- TP uses 6 Pin western-plug (RJ11) with speechsignal between pin 3 and 4. Pin 2 and 5 are connected to W and F respectively. W is used as far as I know if one has an automatic switch between more than one phone (in germany called AWADO) or more complex phone equipment. F is for the Flash-funktion in such environments. Probably one actually doen't need F and W, I didn't test that. TAE: ---- TAE layout is as follows. If one views from front the layout is: F-plug (phone) N-plug (Modem etc.) F W x x x Lb Lb2 Lb x La La2 La La and La carry the speechsignal, La2 and Lb2 are for connecting additional devices behind. E. g. one could connect a phone, answeringmachine and modem in series. To get MWave working one should connect La and Lb to pins 3 and 4 of the RJ45, F and W to pin 2 and 5 respectively if one uses a F-plug. It really doesn't matter what plug one uses, cause the La and Lb-wires are allways connected to the same pins in TAE and the Thinkpad disables all additional devices connected behind it, cause it simply didn't know about the strange things the german Telekom does ;-) Connection for a N-plug should be simmilar, but I didn't build it up cause I have no N-plug arround. (For my testing I get the next phonewire availabe.) ThinkPad: ~~~~~~~~~ In the docs is mentioned that one has to select the contry exactly. For the purpose I thought about, connecting an US-TP to german phonenet this is simply wrong. One should set USA/Canada instead of germany. That's half of the work besides wiring. I found that one could have a perfect wire, modem working on all commands (e.g. AT&F, ATI etc.) but ATDT get's ERROR if one has selected GERMANY... Software: ~~~~~~~~~ Most software works fine with Hayes-compatible settings. Just to cover the most important. For InJoy (should I mention that I run OS/2? Think it's time to do so) I use as init AT&F and as Dial ATDT if I'm directly connected to an anlogue phoneline. If I'm connected to ISDN via an AD-converter or similar I use AT&FX1 for init and ATDT for dialing. X1 disables the waiting for a dialtone, which the modem will never get in that configurations. Rest of InJoy-configuration as usual. Internet-Connection should work with normal Hayes, but I allways use InJoy cause of much better performance and configrability. For those not using OS/2 (by now, they should try it ;-) InJoy is for building up Internet-connections. One of the best dialers I've ever seen. For Zoc just use normal Hayes. ZOC is a more or less "normal" communications program with many nice features. I'd judge it as Must Have. It's also available for Windows (95 and NT). For FaxWorks use 14400 Baud modem, Tone dialing, Class 2-Modem and Use 16550 UART. Rest is standard setting. FaxWorks will not connect using Class1 modem here. Tried that but got allways: No Carrier. FaxWorks is similar to WinFax I think. I use the version packed with Warp, but Pro-Version (now called PMFax) should be similar only with some features enabeled. -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 21:52:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA030908759; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:52:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20670; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:49:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20425; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20398; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.hwts05.loop.net (p13.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.178]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA04793; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804140147.SAA04793@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "djmusic@inreach.com" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 18:48:44 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:06:43 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 06:42 PM 4/11/98 , Janice Ray wrote: >>Hello everyone I have 2 thinkpad 700,s that need repair, they both are >>missing hardrives. One is a 700 C which is color.Type 9552-30B >>The other 9552-301 monochrome.I am looking for parts etc. Like hardrives. >>If I can't find the necessary parts then I might sell them. >>Janice djmusic@inreach.com > > Good luck. Those are microchannel machines. They'll require very special >hard drives. They also don't support Linux or some options/PCMCIA cards, but Microchannel is faster than all the other buses up until PCI came out. The advantages are that you can share IRQs, and in my personal experiance, OS/2 runs better on a MCA machine than an exact machine without MCA. This could be the same for Win 95. If you would like, I could email you a whole list of technical information about the 700. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 21:53:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA031108808; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:53:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20754; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:51:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20580; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20527; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.hwts05.loop.net (p13.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.178]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA04939; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804140150.SAA04939@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Christoph Eyrich" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 18:51:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:37:54 +0200 (MEST), Christoph Eyrich wrote: >On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Patrick West wrote: > >> I thought the old MCA laptops just used a 2.5 scsi drive? > >No, definitely not (there were just a few laptops using scsi hard drives, >e.g. the Tadpole). Actually, IBM's Power ThinkPads used 2.5" SCSI HDs too. It's a shame there aren't more SCSI notebooks, because the speed difference is amazing when running a lot of stuff. The 700, as the 720, the other IBM MCA machine, uses >ESDI - too expensive to buy a new HD unless you get a used one. The >controller is integrated into the disk drive. > That sounds about right. Additionally, IBM had some ESDI drives, at least on the PS/2's, which connected straight to the bus, so there was no controller card, and things really became proprietary. In fact, the connector to a standard ESDI HD is the same as on an MFM drive. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 21:57:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA032269024; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:57:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21479; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:55:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21308; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21037; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.hwts05.loop.net (p13.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.178]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA05088; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804140153.SAA05088@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Kim" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 18:54:20 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Good Old 701's Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Well, if you read my description above, it's pretty obvious the >crack is in the middle of the right side of the lid, nowhere >near the hinges. :-) > > back >+--------------+ >| | >| | >| top | <- crack >| | >| | >+--------------+ > front > Hmmm, my crack looks like this one: back +---xx----------oo---+ | | | | | | +-----------------------+ front Additionally, the keyboard also won't come out on it's own, either. :( -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 21:59:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA032609161; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:59:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21784; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:56:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21547; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21534; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.hwts05.loop.net (p13.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.178]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA05235 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:56:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804140156.SAA05235@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 18:56:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fixed 701 crack Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:41:45 -0700 (PDT), Peckham Engineering wrote: >Spent this weekend fixing the crack in the lid of my 701. It was pretty >easy to do, and seems to be real strong. I am including a description of >the methods I used in case anyone is interested. So, do you think this might be a good idea for used machines with no warranty, as a reinforcement? It's ironic that it seems most machines crack somewhere near or on the hinges. My Tadpole SPARCbook's hinge is absolutely stuck, and it's only on 1 hinge (the right one with the cable). My ThinkPad was the same way, and it was very bad for it in the end. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 13 22:08:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA034459718; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:08:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22962; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:07:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22856; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (root@mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22826; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armada-7330t (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA27689 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:06:22 -0400 Message-Id: <01BD6728.6527C5A0.shin_hw@clark.net> From: Henry Shin To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FS: SelectADock III for 760/765/770 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:06:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 9 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a SelectADock III in excellent condition on sale. Please see the URL below. Thanks, Henry http://www.onsale.com/category/inv/00001442/00453500.htm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 00:50:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA072159421; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:50:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29259; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:48:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29102; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (peckham@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29088; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id VAA11681; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: Re: fixed 701 crack To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" In-Reply-To: <199804140156.SAA05235@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > So, do you think this might be a good idea for used machines > with no warranty, as a reinforcement? It's ironic that it seems most machines Might be. Depends on how easy it is to get at the cracked area. The final result on my 701 is just about invisible. Also, it was an area with alot of room for reinforcement- i was able to extend the fiberglas a couple of inches to spread the load. Sometimes, there is no place to reinforce, so all you can do is glue the crack. Of course, you have even more options if you don't mind a big wad of fiberglass pasted all over the exterior surfaces of your machine. -Frank Peckham From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 03:29:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA100888991; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:29:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05039; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:28:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04918; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04902; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA20824; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804140726.AAA20824@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Peckham Engineering" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 00:27:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fixed 701 crack Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Of course, you have >even more options if you don't mind a big wad of fiberglass pasted all >over the exterior surfaces of your machine. While we're on the topic, has anyone here used a ruggedized machine? The closest I've got is my SPARCbook's magnesium alloy. I wonder if IBM ever thought about a ruggedized ThinkPad, for field use. And I wonder if people would buy a lot of them, considering their popularity with the business and home sectors. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 03:48:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA103610126; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:48:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05752; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:45:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05667; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aus-a.mp.campus.mci.net (aus-a.mp.campus.mci.net [208.140.84.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05655; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ibm.net (s20-pm05.snwestsac.campus.mci.net [208.155.128.199]) by aus-a.mp.campus.mci.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22650 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35331343.5A322B6B@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:41:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: 701 footpad problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Moving on from the thread about repairing cracked lids, has anyone else here had problems keeping the four "footpads" in place on the bottom of the case. Mine keep coming off, presumably becase over time the heat buildup on the bottom weakens whatever adhesive is used on them. I asked EasyServ to replace the missing ones the last time my 701 was in for service, but they didn't stay in place for long. Anyone know of a solution? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 06:06:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA122228409; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:06:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16109; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:05:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15875; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15863; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inri.demon.co.uk ([158.152.21.88]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2006404; 14 Apr 98 10:00 GMT Received: from aladdin [192.9.200.188] by inri.co.uk [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.6.rA.b6.32-R) for ; Tue, 14 Apr 98 10:54:18 +0100 Sender: pjb@post.mail.demon.net Message-Id: <35333351.6A4D@inri.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:58:41 +0000 From: Pete Backhouse Organization: International Research Institute (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad-list Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 References: <199804120142.SAA14448@mail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mdaemon-Deliver-To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi, > Hello everyone I have 2 thinkpad 700,s that need repair, they both are > missing hardrives. One is a 700 C which is color.Type 9552-30B > The other 9552-301 monochrome.I am looking for parts etc. Like hardrives. > If I can't find the necessary parts then I might sell them. i have a 700C - the drives are a bit hard to get hold of. small esdi drives in either 120, 160 or 240Mb. to use the 240Mb drive you'll need a bios u/g though, since it IML's from the drive. pete. -- ____________________________________________________ Peter Backhouse PBackhouse @inri.co.uk ____________________________________________________ Senior Systems Engineer Shiny Studios Engineer INRI UK Ltd (Lo-Fi Techno) ____________________________________________________ "windows isn't a virus... a virus does something..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 08:01:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA137995303; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:01:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18549; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:59:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18357; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18341; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (inri.co.uk) [158.152.21.88] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yP4Ml-0000Pc-00; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:59:09 +0100 Received: from aladdin [192.9.200.188] by inri.co.uk [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.6.rA.b6.32-R) for ; Tue, 14 Apr 98 11:24:26 +0100 Sender: pjb@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <35333A61.4C28@inri.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:28:49 +0000 From: Pete Backhouse Organization: International Research Institute (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad-list Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 References: <199804140147.SAA04793@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mdaemon-Deliver-To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi, > They also don't support Linux or some options/PCMCIA cards, but Microchannel > is faster than all the other buses up until PCI came out. The advantages try telling my cluster of ps/2's that they can't run linux! and my 700C for that matter... pete. -- ____________________________________________________ Peter Backhouse PBackhouse @inri.co.uk ____________________________________________________ Senior Systems Engineer Shiny Studios Engineer INRI UK Ltd (Lo-Fi Techno) ____________________________________________________ "windows isn't a virus... a virus does something..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 08:35:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA142897301; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:35:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20075; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19940; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19928; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id FAA15403; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.cadence.com(158.140.128.33) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma892557231.015401; Tue, 14 Apr 98 05:33:51 -0700 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (sj4a-35 [158.140.31.45]) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA17255; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804141233.FAA17255@mailhub.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Paul Khoury" From: Don Perley Subject: Re: fixed 701 crack Cc: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:27 AM 4/14/98 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: > I wonder if IBM >ever thought about a ruggedized ThinkPad, for field use. And I wonder if people >would buy a lot of them, considering their popularity with the business and home A couple of years ago they did. Performance was a little retro compared to their normal models at the time, with a 486 and mono display. I don't remember the exact specs, but it was good for something like repeated 1 meter drops hitting the floor at any angle, operating outdoors during so many inches/hour of rain with so many mph winds, high ambient temperature allowed, etc. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 08:54:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA145308489; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:54:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21280; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:53:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21163; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aengus.zorpintl.com (bootp-20-227.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.20.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21150; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from virginia.edu (aengus [127.0.0.1]) by aengus.zorpintl.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA00577 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:55:02 -0400 Sender: paul@aengus.zorpintl.com Message-Id: <35335CA6.346783E8@virginia.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:55:02 +0000 From: Paul Ricker Reply-To: pmr7u@virginia.edu Organization: University of Virginia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 footpad problem References: <35331343.5A322B6B@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu tdwis@ibm.net wrote: > > Moving on from the thread about repairing cracked lids, has anyone else > here had problems keeping the four "footpads" in place on the bottom of > the case. Mine keep coming off, presumably becase over time the heat > buildup on the bottom weakens whatever adhesive is used on them. > > I asked EasyServ to replace the missing ones the last time my 701 was in > for service, but they didn't stay in place for long. Anyone know of a > solution? I have this problem too, but haven't really tried to fix it. A couple of possible solutions might be 1 - to remove the footpads, clean the attachment sites and footpads, and reapply the footpads with a stronger glue. 2 - to remove the footpads and replace them with small footpads you can buy in a hardware store. You could get, say, 1/2" square, 1/8" tall footpads, and perhaps the extra adhesive area would help them stay put. A third, if the items in (2) couldn't be found, would be 3 - to remove the footpads, find some kind of sheet rubber in the desired thickness (eg old truck inner tubes), cut squares of the desired size, and attach them with some strong adhesive. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 13:27:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA201374878; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:27:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06961; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:20:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06257; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02n05.cac.psu.edu (r02a05.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06227; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 89171.hbg.psu.edu (89171.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.89.171]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA74476 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:20:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199804141720.NAA74476@r02n05.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:19:27 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Robert F. Munzenrider" Subject: Replacement Hard drives for TP700 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I traded up my ol' reliable TP700 (mono) for a TP701 a couple of years ago -- actually, I passed the 700 on to another person in our organization. But a year or so before I did this, I purchased a replacement hard drive >from an outfit called Sigma Data Systems (or Sigma something-or-other). It wasn't cheap: @ $500 for a 350-meg unit. Sigma shipped it with good instructions and the files needed to effect the changes in the 700 BIOS or whatever. Both 700 machine & Sigma hard drive are still working. The basic 700 is a real truck. The battery wore out, but what the heck. My 701 has been truckin' on for coming up on 3 years now, too. (I never attempt to pick it up by the lid or keyboard.....). Wish I could put a Pentium in that 701 case.... Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 14:10:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA210777446; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:10:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09867; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:09:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09744; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb1.mailbank.com (mb1.mailbank.com [204.244.193.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09711; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x2ts9ip142.cadvision.com [209.91.105.142] (HELO DavidS) by mb1.mailbank.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0H/2.0H BL25H listener) id 0000_0112_3533_a2ef_dcdb; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:54:55 -0700 Message-Id: <000d01bd67ce$4b455200$8e695bd1@DavidS.Crombie> From: "David Crombie" To: Subject: imation drives Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:53:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD679B.FA597380" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD679B.FA597380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a broken floppy drive on a 365XD. I'm wondering, instead of = spending $200 on a new drive if I could use one of the new 3m Imation = 120MB superdisks to boot my machine. In other words, if attached to the = parallel port, what do I have to change to get the machine to boot from = there rather than the A: drive port. The other question - if the above doesn't work - Does anybody have a = boot disk with cd rom drivers/config.sys/etc.. for the 365XD so I can = fresh intall from the CDrom???=20 Thanks ______________________ David S. Crombie david@crombie.com ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD679B.FA597380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a broken floppy drive on a = 365XD. =20 I'm wondering, instead of spending $200 on a new drive if I could use = one of the=20 new 3m Imation 120MB superdisks to boot my machine. In other words, if = attached=20 to the parallel port, what do I have to change to get the machine to = boot from=20 there rather than the A: drive port.
 
The other question - if the above doesn't work - = Does anybody=20 have a boot disk with cd rom drivers/config.sys/etc..  for the = 365XD so I=20 can fresh intall from the CDrom???
 
Thanks
 
______________________
David S. = Crombie
david@crombie.com
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD679B.FA597380-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 14:38:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA217349113; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:38:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11761; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:35:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11596; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.usherb.ca (courrier.USherb.ca [132.210.10.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11572; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from e3-124.Residence.USherb.CA (E3-0124.Residence.usherb.ca [206.167.181.64]) by courrier.usherb.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20862 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:35:25 -0400 Message-Id: <002701bd67d3$e3f0a040$40b5a7ce@e3-124.Residence.USherb.CA> From: "Fabian Rodriguez" To: Subject: Re: imation drives, TP365XD drivers, fresh installing of Win95 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:33:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BD67B2.5CB446C0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BD67B2.5CB446C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The only thing you'll need to install Win95 from scratch on a 365XD is: 1) The MS-DOS CDROM drivers available from IBM site 2) Choose to have Win95 NOT detect your hardware and then uncheck the = video, network, audio and PCMCIA devices 3) activate PCMCIA from Control Panel once all is installed 4) Remove MSDOC CDROM drivers once Win95 is installed, Win95 will have = its own 32bit drivers that recognize the 365XD drive 5) ONLY THEN install audio. video and other drivers. You are often asked = for the CDROM thru those installs and if you do it before, the CD will = be unavailable. I have gone thru 5 fresh installs. starting to get it! -----Original Message----- From: David Crombie To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 2:10 PM Subject: imation drives =20 =20 I have a broken floppy drive on a 365XD. I'm wondering, instead of = spending $200 on a new drive if I could use one of the new 3m Imation = 120MB superdisks to boot my machine. In other words, if attached to the = parallel port, what do I have to change to get the machine to boot from = there rather than the A: drive port. =20 The other question - if the above doesn't work - Does anybody have a = boot disk with cd rom drivers/config.sys/etc.. for the 365XD so I can = fresh intall from the CDrom???=20 =20 Thanks =20 ______________________ David S. Crombie david@crombie.com ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BD67B2.5CB446C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The only thing you'll need to = install Win95 from=20 scratch on a 365XD is:
 
1) The MS-DOS CDROM drivers available from IBM=20 site
2) Choose to have Win95 NOT detect your hardware and = then=20 uncheck the video, network, audio and PCMCIA devices
3) activate PCMCIA from Control Panel once all is=20 installed
4) Remove MSDOC CDROM drivers once Win95 is = installed, Win95=20 will have its own 32bit drivers that recognize the 365XD = drive
5) ONLY THEN install audio. video and other drivers. = You are=20 often asked for the CDROM thru those installs and if you do it before, = the CD=20 will be unavailable.
 
I have gone thru 5 fresh installs. starting to get=20 it!
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 David Crombie <david@crombie.com>
To: = thinkpad@cs.utk.edu <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Tuesday, April 14, 1998 2:10 PM
Subject: imation=20 drives

I have a broken floppy drive on = a=20 365XD.  I'm wondering, instead of spending $200 on a new drive = if I=20 could use one of the new 3m Imation 120MB superdisks to boot my = machine. In=20 other words, if attached to the parallel port, what do I have to = change to=20 get the machine to boot from there rather than the A: drive=20 port.
 
The other question - if the above doesn't work - = Does=20 anybody have a boot disk with cd rom drivers/config.sys/etc..  = for the=20 365XD so I can fresh intall from the CDrom???
 
Thanks
 
______________________
David = S.=20 Crombie
david@crombie.com
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BD67B2.5CB446C0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 15:23:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA228221837; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:23:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15138; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:22:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15002; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14981; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.207]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27979 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:21:42 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 701: Re: Replacement Hard drives for TP700 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:21:43 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <353cb631.20028470@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199804141720.NAA74476@r02n05.cac.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <199804141720.NAA74476@r02n05.cac.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:19:27 -0400, you wrote: >My 701 has been >truckin' on for coming up on 3 years now, too. (I never attempt to pick it >up by the lid or keyboard.....). Wish I could put a Pentium in >that 701 case.... Just out of curiosity, when the 701 was superseded by the 560 IBM's explanation was that the Pentium needed more ventilation than the 486 chip it had inside, making the form factor obsolete. But now the Tillamooks are out and they run cooler and require less power than the 486-75 TCP in the Butterflys ever did. Is there a reason someone couldn't get one into the case, other than the ridiculous expense of such a scheme? Barring that, what about the new AMD mobile processors? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 16:40:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA244586445; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:40:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19885; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:32:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19494; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com ([207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19478; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p05.hwts13.loop.net (p05.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.170]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA26735; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804142029.NAA26735@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Don Perley" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 11:38:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ruggedized machines Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >A couple of years ago they did. Performance was a little retro compared to >their normal models at the time, with a 486 and mono display. I don't >remember the exact specs, but it was good for something like repeated >1 meter drops hitting the floor at any angle, operating outdoors during >so many inches/hour of rain with so many mph winds, high ambient temperature >allowed, etc. Was this the 730TE by any chance? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 20:53:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA297041587; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:53:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03232; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:50:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03013; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02999; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:47:57 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "David Crombie" Cc: Subject: Re: imation drives Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:52:16 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd6808$bc84f8a0$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0CFA_01BD67CE.102620A0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0CFA_01BD67CE.102620A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might have a new floppy for you . $35 It is supposed to be the OEM drive for the TP 365's What is your part number ? ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: David Crombie To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 12:12 PM Subject: imation drives =20 =20 >I have a broken floppy drive on a 365XD. I'm wondering, instead of = spending $200 on a new drive if I could use one of the new >3m Imation = 120MB superdisks to boot my machine. In other words, if attached to the = parallel port, what do I have to change to >get the machine to boot from = there rather than the A: drive port. =20 Can't be done.;-{ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 >The other question - if the above doesn't work - Does anybody have = a boot disk with cd rom drivers/config.sys/etc.. for the >365XD so I = can fresh intall from the CDrom???=20 =20 All you need is the Win 95 "BOOT " DISK and a generaic ATAPI = device driver and MSCDEX. You can get the specific one from IBM's web page but it doesn't much = matter. =20 =20 =20 >Thanks =20 ______________________ >David S. Crombie >david@crombie.com ------=_NextPart_000_0CFA_01BD67CE.102620A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I might have a new floppy for you = .
$35
It is supposed to be the OEM drive for the TP=20 365's 
What is your = part number=20 ?
..peter..
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 David Crombie <david@crombie.com>
To: = thinkpad@cs.utk.edu <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Tuesday, April 14, 1998 12:12 PM
Subject: imation=20 drives

>I have a broken floppy drive = on a=20 365XD.  I'm wondering, instead of spending $200 on a new drive = if I=20 could use one of the new >3m Imation 120MB superdisks to boot my = machine.=20 In other words, if attached to the parallel port, what do I have to = change=20 to >get the machine to boot from there rather than the A: drive=20 port.
 
Can't be done.;-{
 
 
 
 
 
>The other question - if the above doesn't = work - Does=20 anybody have a boot disk with cd rom drivers/config.sys/etc..  = for the=20 >365XD so I can fresh intall from the CDrom???
 
All you = need is the Win=20 95 "BOOT " DISK   and a generaic ATAPI device=20 driver  and MSCDEX.
You can = get the specific=20 one from IBM's web page but it doesn't much matter.
  
 
 
>Thanks
 
______________________
>David S.=20 Crombie
david@crombie.com">>david@crombie.com
= ------=_NextPart_000_0CFA_01BD67CE.102620A0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 21:24:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA004493491; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:24:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05057; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:23:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04970; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04957; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA28658; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:30:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: Peckham Engineering , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: fixed 701 crack In-Reply-To: <199804140726.AAA20824@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > While we're on the topic, has anyone here used a ruggedized machine? > The closest I've got is my SPARCbook's magnesium alloy. Well, the 8 or so NeXT cubes in the house [plus about 16 pizza box NeXT's] seem pretty rugged. A 14" magnesium cube should be quite tough. =) ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 14 22:26:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA015877160; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:26:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07698; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:24:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07561; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach.videotron.net (bach.videotron.net [205.151.222.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07536; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.253.101.246] (ppp246.101.mmtl.videotron.net [207.253.101.246]) by bach.videotron.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA05983 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804150223.WAA05983@bach.videotron.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:23:00 -0400 Subject: Subscribe Michel Gagnon From: "Michel Gagnon" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Subscribe Michel Gagnon From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 01:10:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA048247014; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:10:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13683; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:05:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13234; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13215; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates ([206.96.182.72]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA01079 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:05:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199804150505.AAA01079@sh1.ro.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 23:54:48 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Remaining charge X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Recently, I discharged one of two batteries in my 765D. The other battery was fully charged. According to the ThinkPad, the total charge remaining was 54%. How does it figure that? I was expecting 50% for one battery left. Any insights? -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://xzalpha.ml.org/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup UAH-SEDS http://uah.seds.org/ Future author of: "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 01:19:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA050497592; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:19:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14321; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:16:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13976; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from megsinet.net (mail.megsinet.net [208.133.72.77]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13963; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bertha(randolphmax2-12.megsinet.net[208.133.78.140]) (1166 bytes) by megsinet.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:16:21 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #12 built 1998-Feb-6) Message-Id: <35359163.6AD5@megsinet.net> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:04:35 -0500 From: dennis pantazis Reply-To: chessie@megsinet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FootPads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If you know a roofer, or pass a commercial construction site, ask for a peice of EPDM. Its black rubber, comes in both 0.030" and 0.060" think. You could also go to a roofing supply house, but they would want to sell you a peice off the 10' roll propably, however, its great stuff for table top protectors, tool chest covers and bed sheets too! `:) Keep in mind that rubber is an insulator (ie not a good conductor of heat) so don;t go overboard. But seriously, I have found that the tacky-est feet are on 3com hubs and switches. Its a grey compound amd is REALLY tacky. If you know someone who could get their hands on some do. dp From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 01:24:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA051117842; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:24:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14866; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:20:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14423; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14378; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts06.loop.net (p01.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.196]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA24538; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:18:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804150518.WAA24538@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "chessie@megsinet.net" Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 22:19:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FootPads Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >But seriously, I have found that the tacky-est feet are on 3com hubs and >switches. Its a grey compound amd is REALLY tacky. If you know someone >who could get their hands on some do. Tacky as in slob-like, or as in that it holds on well? I've had good luck with the feet on my ThinkPad, and this is maybe the third or fourth set over 2 years, 1 month. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 03:58:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA079547133; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:58:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19802; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:48:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19604; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19592; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA10886; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:47:45 -1000 Message-Id: <000b01bd6842$d4796e20$0100a8c0@t.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: FootPads Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:48:05 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul K. wrote: >I've had good luck with the feet on my ThinkPad, and this is maybe the third or fourth >set over 2 years, 1 month. Paul, you left off the smiley here. I hope. On a related note: a few years ago there was a company that made wavy rubber stick-ons for laptops, mainly to make gripping easier. Does anyone know if these are still sold? I think they would be good *both* for gripping *and* in lieu of footpads. - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 04:05:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA081847546; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:05:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20455; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:59:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20124; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19984; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts06.loop.net (p01.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.196]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA01997; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804150757.AAA01997@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 00:58:33 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FootPads Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Paul, you left off the smiley here. I hope. > Hmmm? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? >On a related note: a few years ago there was a company that made wavy rubber >stick-ons for laptops, mainly to make gripping easier. Does anyone know if >these are still sold? I think they would be good *both* for gripping *and* >in lieu of footpads. > I remember hearing about that, but can't recall where I saw it. It could be in one of my Mobile Computing magazines, or in a Laptop Magazine I have (which I'm getting out of storage this weekend, because it has a "review" of my SPARCbook). I'll let you know if I find it. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 04:11:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA082537889; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:11:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20982; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:04:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20621; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20528; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hercules (slip-32-100-197-59.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.197.59]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA68694 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:00:49 GMT Message-Id: <35345B2B.5E46@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:00:59 -0700 From: Joe Suttle Reply-To: joesuttle@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Replacement Hard Drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just upgraded my 701C to a 3.1G drive from Bason Computer Inc., and the total with the slide in kit and shipping was only $385. Now, if I could just get Warp 4 to install and not mess with the system bios! -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Joe Suttle | Certified OS/2 Engineer | | joesuttle@ibm.net | Powered by OS/2 Warp 4, OS/2 Warp Server | | Hercules, California | and Netscape for OS/2 | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 05:00:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA093490845; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:00:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23271; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:58:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22975; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22961; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hercules (slip-32-100-197-59.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.197.59]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA50814 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:58:05 GMT Message-Id: <353468A1.730A@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:58:25 -0700 From: Joe Suttle Reply-To: joesuttle@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Think Pad List Subject: [701C] Warp 4 Install Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone out there successfully installed Warp 4 on a 701C. Managed to get all the right files unpacked off the CD and added to Disk 1, along with the drivers for the portable CD. Install seemed to work ok, but cannot get to parallel port or serial port on Replicator. When I FN-F1, and look at the Multiport, it shows serial and parallel disabled. Finally got parallel back, but only for printer. Parallel tape backup fails. System has a Panasonic SCSI PC card for CD-Rom and IBM Home and AWay Ethernet/Modem combo. RMVIEW shows that the two PC cards take over irq 3 & 4, and even when I change the H&Away adapter in 'protocol.ini', can't get the modem to work. System keeps giving me messages for all com ports as not enabled! Any ideas out there? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Joe Suttle | Certified OS/2 Engineer | | joesuttle@ibm.net | Powered by OS/2 Warp 4, OS/2 Warp Server | | Hercules, California | and Netscape for OS/2 | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 06:17:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA104285444; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:17:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01449; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:14:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01203; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01183; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inri.demon.co.uk ([158.152.21.88]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2021834; 15 Apr 98 10:02 GMT Received: from aladdin [192.9.200.188] by inri.co.uk [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.6.rA.b6.32-R) for ; Wed, 15 Apr 98 10:14:41 +0100 Sender: pjb@post.mail.demon.net Message-Id: <35347BD8.1A25@inri.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:20:24 +0000 From: Pete Backhouse Organization: International Research Institute (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad-list Subject: Power Adapter for TP560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mdaemon-Deliver-To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu does anyone know of a decent source in the UK for a TP560 power adapter? i could do with an external floppy drive too! thanks in advance, pete. -- ____________________________________________________ Peter Backhouse PBackhouse @inri.co.uk ____________________________________________________ Senior Systems Engineer Shiny Studios Engineer INRI UK Ltd (Lo-Fi Techno) ____________________________________________________ "windows isn't a virus... a virus does something..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 06:36:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA107316576; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:36:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02115; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:34:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01895; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01882; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inri.demon.co.uk ([158.152.21.88]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2021949; 15 Apr 98 10:02 GMT Received: from aladdin [192.9.200.188] by inri.co.uk [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.6.rA.b6.32-R) for ; Wed, 15 Apr 98 10:23:03 +0100 Sender: pjb@post.mail.demon.net Message-Id: <35347DCF.56FE@inri.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:28:47 +0000 From: Pete Backhouse Organization: International Research Institute (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad-list Subject: Re: Thinkpad 700 References: <199804142029.NAA26713@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mdaemon-Deliver-To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > Well, I heard that only Slackware supports MCA and the ESDI > drives. I only have 2 PS/2s anyways, the Model 60 (286-10/287-10), > and the Model 55SX (386-16, OS/2 2.1). linux has supported mca for quite a while now, though for some reason the code never made it into the main kernel! there are patches available for slackware (which i use), debian and redhat. pete. -- ____________________________________________________ Peter Backhouse PBackhouse @inri.co.uk ____________________________________________________ Senior Systems Engineer Shiny Studios Engineer INRI UK Ltd (Lo-Fi Techno) ____________________________________________________ "windows isn't a virus... a virus does something..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 11:19:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA151213566; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:19:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12828; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:14:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12512; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redshift.com (mail.redshift.com [209.54.200.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12271; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:13:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from BOB (pm5-141.mry.redshift.com [207.204.201.141]) by mail.redshift.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17576; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:13:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199804151513.IAA17576@mail.redshift.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:12:15 -0700 To: Joe Suttle In-Reply-To: <353468A1.730A@ibm.net> Cc: Think Pad List Subject: Re: [701C] Warp 4 Install X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 b47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <353468A1.730A@ibm.net>, on 04/15/98 at 12:58 AM, Joe Suttle said: >Has anyone out there successfully installed Warp 4 on a 701C. Have you checked the information at www.tpwarper.com to see if your problems are covered there? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com Warpstock 97 -- I was there! Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/BobStephan ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 11:24:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA152053856; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:24:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13423; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:21:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13117; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redshift.com (mail.redshift.com [209.54.200.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13102; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:21:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from BOB (pm5-141.mry.redshift.com [207.204.201.141]) by mail.redshift.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA18446; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:21:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199804151521.IAA18446@mail.redshift.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:18:54 -0700 To: "David Ross" In-Reply-To: <000b01bd6842$d4796e20$0100a8c0@t.math.hawaii.edu> Cc: Think Pad List Subject: Re: FootPads X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 b47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <000b01bd6842$d4796e20$0100a8c0@t.math.hawaii.edu>, on 04/14/98 at 09:48 PM, "David Ross" said: >On a related note: a few years ago there was a company that made wavy >rubber stick-ons for laptops, mainly to make gripping easier. Does >anyone know if these are still sold? I believe they are at 800 Batteries. I can't find my catalog at the moment to check. Look at http://www.800batteries.com/. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com Warpstock 97 -- I was there! Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/BobStephan ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 14:28:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA194804905; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:28:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23560; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:17:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23252; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23222; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:17:10 +0100 Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by falcon.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id TAA13695; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:17:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:17:08 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F.Hewlett" To: "Ronald M. Egalka" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Win98 In-Reply-To: <31183FB37EF0CF11A24C00A02468EB9E146A94@zeus> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Ronald M. Egalka wrote: > Anyone have any report/success/etc installing Win98 on TPs? I just > received the "Consumer Preview" version (third beta) and thought I'd ask > before subjecting my 770 to it. Even works on my distinctly ageing 755 (DX2/50 with 24mb ram)... a bit slower than 95 though - I wouldn't reccomend 98 unless you have 32MB of memory or more. Cheers, Angus. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 14:49:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA199426164; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:49:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25164; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:44:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24958; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedar.netten.net (root@cedar.netten.net [205.244.191.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24943; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from default (net2-80.netten.net [206.229.193.80]) by cedar.netten.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05666 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:47:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980415134522.00a49060@netten.net> X-Sender: shelby@netten.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:45:22 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win98 In-Reply-To: References: <31183FB37EF0CF11A24C00A02468EB9E146A94@zeus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi , installed win98 beta on my TP 760ED also did the 32 FAT conversion, all o.k. so far. Running out of room on my 750 meg hard drive, I have 48 meg or Ram. Has anyone tried compression on their hard drive, looking for an economical way to secure more hard drive space. Appreciate comments. I rarely see any 760ED TP owners comment on this list. Any of you out there? Thanks, L. Wynne _______________________________________________________ At 19:17 4/15/1998 +0100, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Ronald M. Egalka wrote: > >> Anyone have any report/success/etc installing Win98 on TPs? I just >> received the "Consumer Preview" version (third beta) and thought I'd ask >> before subjecting my 770 to it. > >Even works on my distinctly ageing 755 (DX2/50 with 24mb ram)... a bit >slower than 95 though - I wouldn't reccomend 98 unless you have 32MB of >memory or more. > >Cheers, > Angus. > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 15:05:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA203557104; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:05:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26615; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:00:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26411; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.northern.edu (NS.NORTHERN.EDU [198.180.229.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26221; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msgtwy.northern.edu by ns.northern.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11650; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:57:27 -0500 Received: by msgtwy.northern.edu with Microsoft Mail id <353503F7@msgtwy.northern.edu>; Wed, 15 Apr 98 14:01:11 CDT From: "Duszenko, Andrzej" To: "'smtp:THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: ThinkPad 701C display problem Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 13:59:00 CDT Message-Id: <353503F7@msgtwy.northern.edu> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My ThinkPad 701C (Win95, 24M RAM) returned from IBM service with a note that the BIOS was upgraded, and with three new problems: the system couldn't find the modem, it couldn't detect the zip drive connected to the parallel port, and the display showed dithering. The first two problems are now corrected; the third remains, and IBM refuses to fix it on the grounds that this is not the original software. I'm hoping to find some help here. My display is TFT, set for High Color (16 bit) at 640X480. Solid colors display correctly but areas of gradual transition show lots of dithering - instead of smooth transition between different shades of a color, there are patches of solid colors with dots on the borderlines between them. I have already tried reinstalling Windows and updating the display driver (to Chips & Technologies, Accelerator, v. 3.0.3). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 15:07:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA204227278; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:07:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26219; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:58:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26096; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26051; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA13400; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:58:11 -1000 Message-Id: <002201bd68a0$7c639900$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Compression (was: Re: Win98) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:58:31 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Has >anyone tried compression on their hard drive, looking for an economical way >to secure more hard drive space. I've used compression for years on several machines, both in DOS/W3.1 and in W95, with never a problem. I don't know what the W98 compression is like, but the version of DriveSpace that came with W95 OSR2 is quite stable. What I usually do (for safety) is create a 'virtual' compressed drive on my regular drive. For example, on my 701 with 340 megs, my C drive became a 100 meg 'regular' drive, and the other 240 megs were turned into a compressed D drive. The former held all vital system stuff, backup programs, and critical data files (e.g., current manuscripts and gradebooks). The latter held (1) easily-restored files (i.e., software; MS Office compresses nicely, for example), (2) directories with lots of little files (like the TeX system), and (3) very compressible stuff (e.g., .DOC files). This strategy produces maximum benefit with minimum danger. (On my 340 meg drive I had W95, a full install of MS Office, a full install of Lotus SmartSuite, 2 hefty statistics packages (SAS and S+), a very complete TeX/LaTeX implementation, several language compilers, etc.) - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 15:19:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA207797994; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:19:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28157; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:17:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28057; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anna.Stanford.EDU (anna.Stanford.EDU [171.64.67.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28043; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavg.stanford.edu (jkenney.Stanford.EDU [171.64.67.42]) by anna.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09287 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: jjk@poset.Stanford.edu Message-Id: <353507A2.EF934619@pavg.stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:16:50 -0700 From: John J Kenney Organization: Stanford University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.30 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad-list Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 15:59:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA216190359; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:59:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00649; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:50:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00379; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from staff2.cso.uiuc.edu (strieg@staff2.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00309; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (strieg@localhost) by staff2.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06524 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:50:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: staff2.cso.uiuc.edu: strieg owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:50:08 -0400 (EDT) From: striegel loren c X-Sender: strieg@staff2.cso.uiuc.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: help Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu not sure what to send here, i was given the address. my hard drive (105 meg) wont recognize on a thinkpad 560, so i think it is broken. where can i get a list of hard drives or what can i look for? also, where to get an extra pen and external floppy thanks, Loren From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 16:13:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219521212; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:13:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01962; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:10:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01766; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR02 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.138]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01605; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 71420666 - 193.149.78.31 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:06:34 -0700 Message-Id: <001001bd68aa$326ee7a0$1f4e95c1@71420666> From: "LPL" <71420666@email.msn.com> To: "David Ross" , Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Compression (was: Re: Win98) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:07:45 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Excellent advice, David. Very useful for all. I have similar experiences even from the dreaded Stacker days of old! Best regards, Larry -----Original Message----- From: David Ross To: shelby@netten.net Cc: ThinkPad List Date: 15 April 1998 20:11 Subject: Compression (was: Re: Win98) >>Has >>anyone tried compression on their hard drive, looking for an economical way >>to secure more hard drive space. > > >I've used compression for years on several machines, both in DOS/W3.1 and in >W95, with never a problem. I don't know what the W98 compression is like, >but the version of DriveSpace that came with W95 OSR2 is quite stable. > >What I usually do (for safety) is create a 'virtual' compressed drive on my >regular drive. For example, on my 701 with 340 megs, my C drive became a 100 >meg 'regular' drive, and the other 240 megs were turned into a compressed D >drive. The former held all vital system stuff, backup programs, and critical >data files (e.g., current manuscripts and gradebooks). The latter held (1) >easily-restored files (i.e., software; MS Office compresses nicely, for >example), (2) directories with lots of little files (like the TeX system), >and (3) very compressible stuff (e.g., .DOC files). >This strategy produces maximum benefit with minimum danger. (On my 340 meg >drive I had W95, a full install of MS Office, a full install of Lotus >SmartSuite, 2 hefty statistics packages (SAS and S+), a very complete >TeX/LaTeX implementation, several language compilers, etc.) > >- David R. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 16:37:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA225222676; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:37:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03935; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:30:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03666; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03500; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA14086; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:26:47 -1000 Message-Id: <004501bd68ac$dfdce020$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Duszenko, Andrzej" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C display problem Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:27:07 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >My display is TFT, set for High Color (16 bit) at 640X480. Solid colors >display correctly but areas of gradual transition show lots of dithering - >instead of smooth transition between different shades of a color, there are >patches of solid colors with dots on the borderlines between them. This sure sounds like a software (driver or otherwise) problem. Have you checked the display in the 701's setup program? That should show transitions at the hardware's max color depth. David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 16:53:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA228553592; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:53:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05570; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:51:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05459; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05437; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maslow.cia-g.com (kglp@maslow.cia-g.com [207.66.82.35]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04167 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:50:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bay To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win98 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have it installed on my 760... worked poorly, stumbled at 16 MB which I ran as a test... works great at 48 MB raybay > > Anyone have any report/success/etc installing Win98 on TPs? I just > > received the "Consumer Preview" version (third beta) and thought I'd ask > > before subjecting my 770 to it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 15 21:52:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA283831558; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:52:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17385; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:49:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17233; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (tomei.algonet.se [194.213.74.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17221; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29068 invoked from network); 16 Apr 1998 03:22:14 +0200 Received: from du247-2.ppp.algonet.se (HELO grm.se) (195.100.2.247) by tomei.algonet.se with SMTP; 16 Apr 1998 03:22:14 +0200 Message-Id: <35355E44.E6FBA943@grm.se> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 03:26:28 +0200 From: Kristian Madsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad e-postlista Subject: WTB: TP360C/CS screen Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AAF22D712C62676C6DFE9267" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AAF22D712C62676C6DFE9267 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Kristian Madsen --------------AAF22D712C62676C6DFE9267 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <353379BA.C2C36418@grm.se> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:59:07 +0200 From: Kristian Madsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad e-postlista Subject: WTB: TP360C/CS screen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, rencently the TFT screen on my 360C stopped working, probably due to my backpack falling over. So much for "protective" padding :-( I have tried reseating the cables, but to no avail. The screen stays dead black, and as the machine works all right when using an external monitor I suppose it must be the screen itself. So, anyone have a spare for sale? I am willing to buy from overseas, as I live in Sweden. TFT preferred, but DSTN would do. (I hear that the 750 screens work as well, anyone who can confirm this.) I am willing to buy a defective 360 as a whole as well, as long as the screen's all right. -- Kristian Madsen --------------AAF22D712C62676C6DFE9267-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 01:28:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA028644492; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:28:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26443; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:26:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26287; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26263; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts12.loop.net (p10.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.145]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA17613; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804160524.WAA17613@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "joesuttle@ibm.net" , "Think Pad List" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 11:43:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [701C] Warp 4 Install Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:58:25 -0700, Joe Suttle wrote: >Has anyone out there successfully installed Warp 4 on a 701C. Right here! Managed to >get all the right files unpacked off the CD and added to Disk 1, along >with the drivers for the portable CD. Install seemed to work ok, but >cannot get to parallel port or serial port on Replicator. When I FN-F1, >and look at the Multiport, it shows serial and parallel disabled. >Finally got parallel back, but only for printer. Parallel tape backup >fails. What backup solution are you trying to use? Also, that's unusual that serial and parallel would be blanked out. System has a Panasonic SCSI PC card for CD-Rom So you're trying to install by CD-ROM or floppy? I installled Warp 4 by floppy (and had to allocate 6 hours to do so). and IBM Home and >AWay Ethernet/Modem combo. RMVIEW shows that the two PC cards take over >irq 3 & 4, and even when I change the H&Away adapter in 'protocol.ini', >can't get the modem to work. System keeps giving me messages for all com >ports as not enabled! Any ideas out there? > Let me look at my config.sys on my ThinkPad and cut out a line for you - I've got my Home & Away set to COM3, IRQ11 so I can use the internal modem for faxes and the DB9 serial port for diagnostics. Did you get PCMCIA and video setup okay? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 01:55:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA033416127; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:55:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27837; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:53:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27477; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27406; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts12.loop.net (p10.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.145]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA18996; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804160550.WAA18996@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "bstephan@redshift.com" , "Joe Suttle" Cc: "Think Pad List" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 22:51:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [701C] Warp 4 Install Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:12:15 -0700, bstephan@redshift.com wrote: >In <353468A1.730A@ibm.net>, on 04/15/98 > at 12:58 AM, Joe Suttle said: > >>Has anyone out there successfully installed Warp 4 on a 701C. > >Have you checked the information at www.tpwarper.com to see if your >problems are covered there? > I could try to help as best as possible. I've been through 3 installs (because I could have only needed 1 install with CD-ROM, instead I used floppies), and I have everything working. There are a few things like audio after suspend, video when switching to DOS, etc. that I could point out too. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 01:55:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA033436128; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:55:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27891; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:53:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27497; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27465; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts12.loop.net (p10.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.145]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA19086 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:51:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804160551.WAA19086@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 22:52:51 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 300 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone here used a ThinkPad 300 with OS/2 2.1 or above, and could tell me how performance was? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 10:26:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115026778; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:26:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29553; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29382; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29258; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:28:10 -0400 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD6921.9015D8B0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:30 -0400 Message-Id: <01BD6921.9015D8B0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 701 footpad problem Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I've just decided to remove the remaining three footpads after the front ones had migrated and were standing out over the front edge. One of the feet had disappeared a while ago (I think the one near the modem), and the others started creeping since I've left the laptop on 24/7. It has probably heated up a little since I put it on a mousepad to dampen the noise (I have a resonating desk) - this has reduced the times that the modem hangs up on me at 19.2, though. Question: does anyone know what best to remove the residual adhesive with? Incidentally, I don't have a Spark-Book. If I want to get flames or start a fire, I use a Match-Book, or I rub sticks together the old-fashioned way. Greetings, Axel >> Moving on from the thread about repairing cracked lids, has anyone else >> here had problems keeping the four "footpads" in place on the bottom of >> the case. Mine keep coming off, presumably becase over time the heat >> buildup on the bottom weakens whatever adhesive is used on them. >> >> I asked EasyServ to replace the missing ones the last time my 701 was in >> for service, but they didn't stay in place for long. Anyone know of a >> solution? > >I have this problem too, but haven't really tried to fix it. >A couple of possible solutions might be > >1 - to remove the footpads, clean the attachment sites and footpads, > and reapply the footpads with a stronger glue. > >2 - to remove the footpads and replace them with small footpads you can > buy in a hardware store. You could get, say, 1/2" square, 1/8" tall > footpads, and perhaps the extra adhesive area would help them stay > put. > >A third, if the items in (2) couldn't be found, would be > >3 - to remove the footpads, find some kind of sheet rubber in the desired > thickness (eg old truck inner tubes), cut squares of the desired size, > and attach them with some strong adhesive. > >Paul > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 11:01:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA121608914; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:01:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02274; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:57:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01765; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redshift.com (redshift.com [209.54.200.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01751; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:57:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from BOB (pm5-152.mry.redshift.com [207.204.201.152]) by mail.redshift.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA00507; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:57:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199804161457.HAA00507@mail.redshift.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:56:49 -0700 To: Axel Hartmann In-Reply-To: <01BD6921.9015D8B0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 701 footpad problem X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 b47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <01BD6921.9015D8B0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>, on 04/16/98 at 10:22 AM, Axel Hartmann said: >Question: does anyone know what best to remove the residual adhesive >with? I haven't tried it specifically on that type of adhesive, but there is a product called Goo-Gone that I have used successfully on several gooey (not GUI) substances. I think first I would try alcohol--not the drinking variety. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com Warpstock 97 -- I was there! Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/BobStephan ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 11:57:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA133542252; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:57:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05742; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:46:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05460; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vassar.edu (vaxsar.vassar.edu [143.229.1.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05431; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.vassar.edu (hub.cs.vassar.edu) by VASSAR.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #20112) with SMTP id <01IVXPFHRQWG000V2H@VASSAR.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:46:47 EST Received: from mote by cs.vassar.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA10096; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:44:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by mote (SMI-8.6) id LAA13482; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:44:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:44:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Manning Subject: TP750 / TP755CX : TV tuner X-Sender: manning@mote To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Joseph Manning Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Does anyone know if the TV tuner for the ThinkPad 750 can be made to work in the ThinkPad 755CX (SVGA, TFT) ? I recently got such a tuner. It comes with a diskette marked "System Program Service Diskette", containing a program which is supposed to be run before installing and operating the TV tuner. However, when I tried this, it gave me back: "Message The diskette in the default drive will not run on this system. Your system is now locked. To restart your system, press Ctrl+Alt+Del." The tuner fits in the ThinkPad as a replacement for the diskette drive, is labelled "IBM ThinkPad 750 TV TUNER PACK", and has part numbers FRU P/N 66G6681 and ASM P/N 59G3731. My suspicion (well, my hope!) is that this hardware works also in the 755CX, but needs a different "System Program Service Diskette". If anyone has a TV tuner working in a 755CX (SVGA, TFT), could you please check the part number of the hardware to see if it matches the above? And if so, could you send me a copy of the corresponding "System Program Service Diskette"? Or, if you know for sure that it cannot be done, then please tell me, so that I can return the tuner to the seller. Thanks! -- Joseph ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joseph Manning / Computer Science / Vassar College / manning@cs.vassar.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 13:29:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA152207756; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:29:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11892; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:23:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11223; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (smtp2.teleport.com [192.108.254.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11210; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17579 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA21753; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: cd for 360 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks An ad I saw on the newsgroups "misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables" I saw a person selling this : TEAC 4x CD drive. Internal for IBM Thinkpad 360 series. I wonder if this is correct? Was there a CD-ROM the 360 series? Did it swap in to the floppy place? Or do you think that they may have mixed up 365 for 360? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 13:30:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA152577837; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:30:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12198; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:28:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11973; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11951; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wynachen (slip166-72-15-163.ct.us.ibm.net [166.72.15.163]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA32580; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:27:06 GMT Message-Id: <199804161727.RAA32580@out5.ibm.net> X-Sender: wcachen@pop4.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:26:00 -0400 To: From: Wyn Achenbaum Subject: RE: 701 footpad problem Cc: Axel Hartmann , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" In-Reply-To: <199804161457.HAA00507@mail.redshift.com> References: <01BD6921.9015D8B0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>Question: does anyone know what best to remove the residual adhesive >>with? > >I haven't tried it specifically on that type of adhesive, but there is >a product called Goo-Gone that I have used successfully on several >gooey (not GUI) substances. I think first I would try alcohol--not the >drinking variety. If there is a baker in your family, try the orange oil packaged by Boyajian and sold by Williams Sonoma or King Arthur. A little dab'l do ya, and it will smell great. Wyn Achenbaum From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 13:51:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157109094; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:51:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14212; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:40:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13433; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net [206.141.239.142]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13320; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x.drift.com ([199.179.168.55]) by mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.01 118 111) with SMTP id <19980416173148.CDIE27597@x.drift.com> for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:31:48 -0500 Message-Id: <005a01bd695d$927ecb20$0c336120@x.drift.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: Subject: RE: TP750 / TP755CX : TV tuner Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:32:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Joe, The "System Program Service Diskette" is a bios/firmware update for a 750. You can (and should) ignore it. Your bios revision (already installed in the flash ROM on your 755CX) is probably the most recent, (v1.44?) and this is not the problem. The TV tuner uses no software to function. No OS needs to boot either. I have an IBM TV tuner working in a TFT 755CD. I don't know for sure if the TV Tuner works in your machine, and I have doubts. Your TFT screen syncs up at 800x600 resolution, right? Mine only goes to 640x480. What does the tuner do when you turn it on and switch it to display on the TFT? Did you receive instructions/manual for the TV tuner? I doubt you'd be able to even push the right buttons to see the TV screen without instructions as the buttons are not labeled. Maybe you'll get a smaller (640x480) picture, who knows? Let me know if you want the instructions. Hope it works, Aaron. >Hi, > > Does anyone know if the TV tuner for the ThinkPad 750 > can be made to work in the ThinkPad 755CX (SVGA, TFT) ? > > I recently got such a tuner. It comes with a diskette > marked "System Program Service Diskette", containing > a program which is supposed to be run before installing > and operating the TV tuner. However, when I tried this, > it gave me back: > > "Message > > The diskette in the default drive will not run on this system. > Your system is now locked. To restart your system, press > Ctrl+Alt+Del." > > The tuner fits in the ThinkPad as a replacement for the diskette drive, > is labelled "IBM ThinkPad 750 TV TUNER PACK", and has part numbers > FRU P/N 66G6681 and ASM P/N 59G3731. > > My suspicion (well, my hope!) is that this hardware works also in > the 755CX, but needs a different "System Program Service Diskette". > If anyone has a TV tuner working in a 755CX (SVGA, TFT), could you > please check the part number of the hardware to see if it matches > the above? And if so, could you send me a copy of the corresponding > "System Program Service Diskette"? > > Or, if you know for sure that it cannot be done, then please tell me, > so that I can return the tuner to the seller. > >Thanks! -- Joseph > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Joseph Manning / Computer Science / Vassar College / manning@cs.vassar.edu >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 14:04:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA159849870; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:04:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15534; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:01:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15310; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from abaco.coastalnet.com (abaco.coastalnet.com [204.183.40.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15292; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm760cd (pm-mh4-139.coastalnet.com [205.245.124.139]) by abaco.coastalnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03988 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980416130030.007f5b20@abaco.coastalnet.com> X-Sender: cn2223@abaco.coastalnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:00:30 +0100 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Capt. 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Please e-mail or call on inn at 1-800-659-7111 with info or contact for parts purchase Thanks Capt Dick see http://www.beaufort-nc.com/captainsquarters From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 14:04:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA159899873; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:04:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15537; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:02:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15357; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orbit14i.nesdis.noaa.gov (orbit14i.wwb.noaa.gov [140.90.109.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15343; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pchang@localhost) by orbit14i.nesdis.noaa.gov (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA16760 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:02:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Chang To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 15:01:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA171513267; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:01:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20244; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:54:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19843; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19828; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com (ottmsooc01.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.24]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA85912 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:57:47 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6946.FFB3C2C0@ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:50:29 -0400 Message-Id: From: TROTTIER Tom To: ThinkPad List , Tom Franklin Subject: RE: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:56:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 42 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Where are those shop manuals? - for the 701 ? do you mean the HMM stuff? Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse an MCI Company :^(+1 613:^ 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182:^( :^} ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com :^} *:)50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada*:) ~Questions answered, answers questioned~ >---------- >From: Tom Franklin[SMTP:tdf@ibm.net] >Sent: 1998 April 10 - Friday 09:52 >To: Paul Khoury; ThinkPad List; Greg Alvandian >Subject: Re: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) > >I just replaced the bottom half-case of my TP755CD. It was a hassle, but >the part only cost $63. The shop manuals for Thinkpads are online now which >made it easier. You might just fix it yourself. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Khoury >To: ThinkPad List ; Greg Alvandian > >Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 11:40 PM >Subject: Re: Cracked cases (was: Re: Good Old 701's) > > >>On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:53:49 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: >> >>>A roll of Duct tape can fix ANYTHING! And fix it good. Insert your own >>>interpretation here. >> >>Well, that's true, but on a ThinkPad, I'd imagine it'd look kind of tacky. >> >>-- >>Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server >>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 >> >> > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 15:52:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA183066347; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:52:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24911; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:46:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24707; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24666; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:46:26 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Patrick West" , Subject: Re: cd for 360 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:50:58 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd6970$f9c78ca0$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Know it well ... Have 2 of those . They do NOT fit a TP 360. A lot were sold by www.surplusdirect for a rather good price but the Ad was in errror. They should fit the TP 365. Actually what I have is the 6X version. if you look in the archives we talked about these things a bit.;-} The 4X version is the same other than the speed. > I just found an internal CD-Rom drive (that is reported to fit > the Thinkpad 365X, least that is what the saleman said) at a > great price of $21.00. I was so excited I ordered it before > checking to see if it would indeed work. I thought I remembered > from when I ordered the machine some time ago that the CD was > optional. Does anyone know whether this Teac model CD-46E will > work. If so is it as simple as taking out the floppy drive and > replacing it with the CD. I really hope it will work, it was too > good of a deal to pass. I just took delivery of one of these, and can confirm that this model being sold by Surplus Direct is for the 365X line. The FRU marked on the unit is 82H8160. The parts list for the 365X can be found in the on-line IBM Hardware Reference manuals, at http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/cdt/hmm.html. I noticed that they do list a part, "Miscellaneous Cable Kit", 74H0574, which apparently includes a CD-ROM to system board cable. tim -----Original Message----- From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:26 AM Subject: cd for 360 >Folks > >An ad I saw on the newsgroups "misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables" >I saw a person selling this : > >TEAC 4x CD drive. Internal for IBM Thinkpad 360 series. > >I wonder if this is correct? Was there a CD-ROM the 360 series? Did it >swap in to the floppy place? Or do you think that they may have mixed up >365 for 360? > >Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp >PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D >Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 18:12:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029994729; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:12:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04937; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:06:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04706; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04676; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.136.85]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA16581; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:05:20 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Joseph Manning" , Cc: "Joseph Manning" Subject: Re: TP750 / TP755CX : TV tuner Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:03:01 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980416220519.AAA16581@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It works in any Active Matrix 75X series with the 640X480 screen. You DO NOT want to install the system prog update - that is a bios update for the 750C and you are lucky it did not work!!! ---------- > From: Joseph Manning > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Cc: Joseph Manning > Subject: TP750 / TP755CX : TV tuner > Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:44 AM > > Hi, > > Does anyone know if the TV tuner for the ThinkPad 750 > can be made to work in the ThinkPad 755CX (SVGA, TFT) ? > > I recently got such a tuner. It comes with a diskette > marked "System Program Service Diskette", containing > a program which is supposed to be run before installing > and operating the TV tuner. However, when I tried this, > it gave me back: > > "Message > > The diskette in the default drive will not run on this system. > Your system is now locked. To restart your system, press > Ctrl+Alt+Del." > > The tuner fits in the ThinkPad as a replacement for the diskette drive, > is labelled "IBM ThinkPad 750 TV TUNER PACK", and has part numbers > FRU P/N 66G6681 and ASM P/N 59G3731. > > My suspicion (well, my hope!) is that this hardware works also in > the 755CX, but needs a different "System Program Service Diskette". > If anyone has a TV tuner working in a 755CX (SVGA, TFT), could you > please check the part number of the hardware to see if it matches > the above? And if so, could you send me a copy of the corresponding > "System Program Service Diskette"? > > Or, if you know for sure that it cannot be done, then please tell me, > so that I can return the tuner to the seller. > > Thanks! -- Joseph > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Joseph Manning / Computer Science / Vassar College / manning@cs.vassar.edu > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 19:08:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA040168116; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:08:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07218; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:06:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07112; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07087; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts10.loop.net (p02.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.77]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA12090; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804162305.QAA12090@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Axel Hartmann" Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 16:06:14 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: 701 footpad problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Question: does anyone know what best to remove the residual adhesive >with? > When I replace the pads on my 701, I've used either rubbing alcohol or windex, on a papertowl, and it gets the stuff off okay. I like cleaning it, and applying the new feet to a clean surface so they stay on longer. >Incidentally, I don't have a Spark-Book. If I want to get flames or start >a fire, I use a Match-Book, or I rub sticks together the old-fashioned way. You really do want to get flammed, don't you? Especially since I'm on break now. (I'd hate to see the flames Solaris can create too with the ISDN modem on it). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 19:13:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA040618402; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:13:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07940; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:10:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07530; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07481; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts10.loop.net (p02.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.77]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA13066; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804162309.QAA13066@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 16:10:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cd for 360 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT), Patrick West wrote: >Folks > >An ad I saw on the newsgroups "misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables" >I saw a person selling this : > >TEAC 4x CD drive. Internal for IBM Thinkpad 360 series. > >I wonder if this is correct? Was there a CD-ROM the 360 series? Did it >swap in to the floppy place? Or do you think that they may have mixed up >365 for 360? I think they mixed up 360 with 365. The 360C could have I think a wireless modem (I think), and I know a TV tuner, but no CD-ROM. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 19:17:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA041458622; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:17:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07938; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:10:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07417; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07380; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts10.loop.net (p02.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.77]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA12871; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804162308.QAA12871@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Joseph Manning" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 16:09:16 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP750 / TP755CX : TV tuner Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My suspicion (well, my hope!) is that this hardware works also in > the 755CX, but needs a different "System Program Service Diskette". > If anyone has a TV tuner working in a 755CX (SVGA, TFT), could you > please check the part number of the hardware to see if it matches > the above? And if so, could you send me a copy of the corresponding > "System Program Service Diskette"? > Just a word of advice, comparing part numbers may not help. I have heard of instances where IBM will have exactly the same part with 2 different part numbers maybe because one comes with version A of a manual, or goes with machine Y, the other going to X. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 22:40:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA091340807; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:40:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16153; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:36:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15854; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15823; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:42:07 -0400 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD6988.05A99330@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:35:56 -0400 Message-Id: <01BD6988.05A99330@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Thanks for Footpad Sugestions Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:35:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I'd like to thank all who answered on how to remove the residue from thinkpad feet that have crept too far. I'm currently _very_ busy and my feet could probably use half of the treatments you've suggested, but when I get around to trying them on the Thinkpad I'll let you know. I have three gummed up spots, and I'll try to use three of your suggestions. I especially like the idea of the orange-flavored Scent-Pad. for now, I'll just stick around, axel ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice-by-Wire : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Paper-by-Wire on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 16 23:35:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA104054144; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:35:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18535; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:34:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18412; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18400; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.39] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Thu, 16 Apr 98 22:34:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:34:14 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: 755CE mouse button problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just bought a used 755CE for my sister. After checking it out and rebooting a few times, the left mouse button has stopped working properly; I have to press in the middle of the button and hit it just right in order to send a click signal. Has anyone else had this problem before? If so, what can I do about it short of sending it in to be fixed. Thanks. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/16/98, 22:34:11 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 17 01:50:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA123742233; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:50:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23275; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:48:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23140; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.telstra.com.au (mail.telstra.com.au [192.148.160.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23123; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.telstra.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) id PAA01981; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:47:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail-gw.fwall.telstra.com.au(192.148.147.16) via SMTP by mail.telstra.com.au, id smtpd001862; Fri Apr 17 15:46:49 1998 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail-gw.fwall.telstra.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) id PAA09565; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:46:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from cdn-mail.dn.itg.telecom.com.au(144.135.109.134), claiming to be "cdn-mail.telecom.com.au" via SMTP by mail-gw.fwall.telstra.com.au, id smtpd009433; Fri Apr 17 15:46:28 1998 Received: from qbpde-nm03.corpmail.telstra.com.au (qbpde-nm03.corpmail.telstra.com.au [172.51.17.214]) by cdn-mail.telecom.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25467; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:46:27 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199804170546.PAA25467@cdn-mail.telecom.com.au> Received: by qbpde-nm03.corpmail.telstra.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:46:20 +1000 From: "Cohen, Michael" To: "Mark O. Davis" , "'Thinkpad List'" Subject: RE: 755CE mouse button problem Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:04:00 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have the same problem with the left mouse button on a hardly-ever-been-used 755CE. I also would appreciate any advice. Thanks. Mike Cohen mcohen@nentmho.telstra.com.au ---------- From: Mark O. Davis To: Thinkpad List Subject: 755CE mouse button problem Date: Friday, 17 April 1998 2:34PM I just bought a used 755CE for my sister. After checking it out and rebooting a few times, the left mouse button has stopped working properly; I have to press in the middle of the button and hit it just right in order to send a click signal. Has anyone else had this problem before? If so, what can I do about it short of sending it in to be fixed. Thanks. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/16/98, 22:34:11 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 17 17:20:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260658005; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:20:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06430; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:14:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06059; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06047; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.136.140]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA10423; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:14:07 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Cohen, Michael" , "Mark O. Davis" , "'Thinkpad List'" Subject: Re: 755CE mouse button problem Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:11:48 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980417211405.AAA10423@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Needs a new keyboard. Common 75X problem ---------- > From: Cohen, Michael > To: Mark O. Davis ; 'Thinkpad List' > Subject: RE: 755CE mouse button problem > Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 2:04 AM > > I have the same problem with the left mouse button on a > hardly-ever-been-used 755CE. > I also would appreciate any advice. Thanks. > > Mike Cohen > mcohen@nentmho.telstra.com.au > > ---------- > From: Mark O. Davis > To: Thinkpad List > Subject: 755CE mouse button problem > Date: Friday, 17 April 1998 2:34PM > > > I just bought a used 755CE for my sister. After checking it out and > rebooting > a few times, the left mouse button has stopped working properly; I have > to > press in the middle of the button and hit it just right in order to send > a > click signal. Has anyone else had this problem before? If so, what can I > do > about it short of sending it in to be fixed. Thanks. > > Mark in San Angelo > mdavis1@airmail.net > 04/16/98, 22:34:11 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 17 17:43:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA265419435; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:43:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07802; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:43:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07664; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from svb.slu.edu (svb.slu.edu [165.134.1.165]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07652; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:42:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from sluvca.slu.edu ([165.134.23.93]) by SLU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-7 #24465) with SMTP id <01IVZE1R4ZGW96VR31@SLU.EDU> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:41:56 CDT Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:42:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: Information re: Batteries To: Thinkpad Reply-To: tuchledj@SLU.EDU Message-Id: <01IVZE1R6NR696VR31@SLU.EDU> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Priority: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have discovered that the Lithium Ion battery for the 760XL is quite expensive if ordered from IBM or from CDW. Is there (1) an alternative producer of such batteries for this model of Thinkpad; (2) a place that sells the batteries for this Thinkpad for substantially less than $265.00? Dennis J. Tuchler Professor of Law St. Louis University 314-977-2793 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 17 20:03:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA283987797; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:03:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11991; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:01:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11749; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@[207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11726; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maslow.cia-g.com (kglp@maslow.cia-g.com [207.66.82.35]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15842; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:00:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bay To: tuchledj@SLU.EDU Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Information re: Batteries In-Reply-To: <01IVZE1R6NR696VR31@SLU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Do a search on the web... the prices fluctuate, but I have purchased five of them from $159.00 to $179.00... none higher than that... no one source will be consistently low... search batteries and also search laptop... Ray Bayles > I have discovered that the Lithium Ion battery for the 760XL is quite > expensive if ordered from IBM or from CDW. Is there (1) an alternative > producer of such batteries for this model of Thinkpad; (2) a place that sells > the batteries for this Thinkpad for substantially less than $265.00? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 18 02:18:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA037000319; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:18:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21365; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:16:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21179; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21167; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts10.loop.net (p12.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.87]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA27169 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804180614.XAA27169@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 23:16:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 300 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know where I can get a picture of this ThinkPad, and if it has a Trackpoint? Can you take out the floppy and HD like the 355/360/755? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 18 21:20:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA161978805; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:20:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19811; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:12:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19525; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (Hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.1.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19512; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ..stanford.edu (unverified [36.173.0.192]) by Hoover.Stanford.EDU (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:12:06 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980418181246.0093de80@hoover.stanford.edu> X-Sender: bark@hoover.stanford.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:12:46 -0700 To: "Bruce Markowitz" From: "Dennis L. Bark" Subject: Re: 755CE mouse button problem Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19980417211405.AAA10423@760> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 755 CE and concur with Bruce Markowitz. You need a new keyboard. At 05:11 PM 4/17/98 -0400, you wrote: >Needs a new keyboard. Common 75X problem > >---------- >> From: Cohen, Michael >> To: Mark O. Davis ; 'Thinkpad List' > >> Subject: RE: 755CE mouse button problem >> Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 2:04 AM >> >> I have the same problem with the left mouse button on a >> hardly-ever-been-used 755CE. >> I also would appreciate any advice. Thanks. >> >> Mike Cohen >> mcohen@nentmho.telstra.com.au >> >> ---------- >> From: Mark O. Davis >> To: Thinkpad List >> Subject: 755CE mouse button problem >> Date: Friday, 17 April 1998 2:34PM >> >> >> I just bought a used 755CE for my sister. After checking it out and >> rebooting >> a few times, the left mouse button has stopped working properly; I have >> to >> press in the middle of the button and hit it just right in order to send >> a >> click signal. Has anyone else had this problem before? If so, what can I >> do >> about it short of sending it in to be fixed. Thanks. >> >> Mark in San Angelo >> mdavis1@airmail.net >> 04/16/98, 22:34:11 > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 18 23:02:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174684964; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:02:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21879; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:58:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21629; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21584; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from client-151-197-120-68.bellatlantic.net (client-151-197-120-68.bellatlantic.net [151.197.120.68]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id WAA04480 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net (Sir Gwynz) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Floppy formats Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:57:06 GMT Message-Id: <35396652.1865457@core.iconnet.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm trying to access some older drivers off the IBM site, but it requires a low density floppy to extract to. Unfortunately the external floppy drive of my 365XD doesn't seem to support formatting to low density format!! Is this really so? If it is, is there another way of extracting the files from the archive? Why can't they use ZIP or ARJ, why do they have to make things so difficult!! Thanks for any help. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 18 23:19:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA176945962; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:19:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22637; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:16:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22440; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22427; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IW0ZQUQVOG96WYUL@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:16:03 MST Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:15:04 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 755CE mouse button problem In-Reply-To: "Message dated Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:12:46 -0700" <3.0.5.32.19980418181246.0093de80@hoover.stanford.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IW0ZSLJNJS96WYUL@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <19980417211405.AAA10423@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have a 755 CE and concur with Bruce Markowitz. You need a new keyboard. I'm on my third keyboard over the past three years - if it's still under the three year warranty (mine just ran out) IBM will fix it for free by replacing the whole keyboard which is a good idea as the keys themselves aren't much more durable than the mouse buttons. It's a great computer except for this one problem... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 19 13:24:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260616697; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:24:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09350; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:20:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09057; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from custsrv1.vitts.com (custsrv1.vitts.com [208.7.161.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09044; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rocky-out.summa4.com ([208.7.172.8]) by custsrv1.vitts.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-49776U700L100S0) with SMTP id AAA8024; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:20:14 -0400 Received: from sherman.summa4.com by rocky-out.summa4.com via smtpd (for www.summa4.com [208.7.161.33]) with SMTP; 19 Apr 1998 17:20:14 UT Received: from summa4 (summa4.summa4.com [10.254.1.1]) by Summa4.COM (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA27995; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:20:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" X-Sender: kend@summa4 To: Sir Gwynz Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Floppy formats In-Reply-To: <35396652.1865457@core.iconnet.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I don't remember the syntax for the New And Improved DOSes, but 4.x (and all later versions, for compatability's sake) allow you to format a low-density disk in a high-density drive with the following: format a: /t:80 /n:9 And that should do it. NOTE: for most floppy drives, it really does have to be a low density disk, not just a high density with the extra hole covered up. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken D'Ambrosio kend@summa4.com NetAdmin, Summa Four, Inc. kena@well.com On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Sir Gwynz wrote: > I'm trying to access some older drivers off the IBM site, > but it requires a low density floppy to extract to. > Unfortunately the external floppy drive of my 365XD doesn't > seem to support formatting to low density format!! Is this > really so? If it is, is there another way of extracting > the files from the archive? Why can't they use ZIP or ARJ, > why do they have to make things so difficult!! 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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BD6BCD.BFC18380-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 19 20:28:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA011692097; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:28:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20471; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:27:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20389; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20376; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16472 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16043; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FLASH CARDS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, I picked up a Simple Tech 8 meg flash Card STI-ATAFL/8 Win95 sees it as a hard drive, reads and writes to it fine. Warp 3.0 sees in with the pnp pcmcia program, IDs it as a hard drive and evens tells me the name and number of the card. But it reports it as not ready. What do I need to do to enable it under warp 3.0? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:12:25 -0700 From: Miki Khajenouri To: Patrick West Cc: rdroullard@simpletech.com Subject: Re: FLASH CARDS At 10:42 AM 4/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >Folks, > >I'm wondering if this card will work in a HP200lx? > >> the barcode on the back: 10625127. >> > >Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp >PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D >Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu > > > Dear Patrick, Yes, it will. Any further questions please advise. Miki Khajenouri Customer Service Representative Simple Technology From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 00:52:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA042157961; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:52:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06790; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:50:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06648; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06619; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts11.loop.net (p02.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.107]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA24425; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804200448.VAA24425@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Date: Sun, 19 Apr 98 21:49:26 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FLASH CARDS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT), Patrick West wrote: >Folks, > >I picked up a Simple Tech 8 meg flash Card STI-ATAFL/8 > >Win95 sees it as a hard drive, reads and writes to it fine. > >Warp 3.0 sees in with the pnp pcmcia program, IDs it as a hard drive and >evens tells me the name and number of the card. But it reports it as not >ready. What do I need to do to enable it under warp 3.0? > Are you using Easy Playing, or Play At Will (the latest revision)? My IBM FLASH card always worked with both versions, but not my SRAM card. And what machine? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 01:08:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA044238926; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:08:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07513; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:08:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07430; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07415; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts11.loop.net (p02.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.107]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA26504 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804200507.WAA26504@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 19 Apr 98 22:07:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant on HTMl Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been working on my conversion of the ThinkPad Assistant to HTML again lately. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me sending it to them once I add some more machines, or adding the newer machines like the 310, 380, 385, 765, 770, and 600. So far, I have the 300, 350, 355, parts of the 701DX4, and parts of the 360PE. I also heard that Windows 95 doesn't support commas in filenames, which could be a problem, because some filenames are at least over 50 chars. WITH LOTS of commas. Can anyone confirm this? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 12:25:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA125509526; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:25:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13765; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:15:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12914; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (Hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.1.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12902; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dbark2.stanford.edu (unverified [36.33.0.214]) by Hoover.Stanford.EDU (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:15:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980420091557.00828180@hoover.stanford.edu> X-Sender: bark@hoover.stanford.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:15:57 -0700 To: billy@MIX.COM From: "Dennis L. Bark" Subject: Re: 755CE mouse button problem Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01IW0ZSLJNJS96WYUL@Opus1.COM> References: <"Message dated Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:12:46 -0700" <3.0.5.32.19980418181246.0093de80@hoover.stanford.edu> <19980417211405.AAA10423@760> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Billy @MIX.COM is right. Call IBM -- D. L. Bark At 08:15 PM 4/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >> I have a 755 CE and concur with Bruce Markowitz. You need a new keyboard. > >I'm on my third keyboard over the past three years - if it's still >under the three year warranty (mine just ran out) IBM will fix it >for free by replacing the whole keyboard which is a good idea as >the keys themselves aren't much more durable than the mouse buttons. >It's a great computer except for this one problem... > >Billy Y.. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 15:40:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA155491247; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:40:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27057; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:36:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26751; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26728; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:19:39 +0100 Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by falcon.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id UAA12757; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:19:37 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:19:37 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F.Hewlett" To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant on HTMl In-Reply-To: <199804200507.WAA26504@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > I also heard that Windows 95 doesn't support commas in filenames, which could > be a problem, because some filenames are at least over 50 chars. WITH LOTS of > commas. Can anyone confirm this? I can confirm that it's not the case - the following filename worked ok: This is an extremely long filename... let us see if it works! (Test for Paul, from Thinkpad list) Cheers, Angus. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 15:47:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA156501663; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:47:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27820; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:45:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27598; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27511; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts16.loop.net (p00.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.15]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA26134; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804201943.MAA26134@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "A.F.Hewlett" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 12:43:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant on HTMl Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:19:37 +0100 (BST), A.F.Hewlett wrote: > > >On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> I also heard that Windows 95 doesn't support commas in filenames, which could >> be a problem, because some filenames are at least over 50 chars. WITH LOTS of >> commas. Can anyone confirm this? > >I can confirm that it's not the case - the following filename worked ok: > >This is an extremely long filename... let us see if it works! (Test for >Paul, from Thinkpad list) Okay, that's good. A sample file name is: thinkpad_350,350C-J0A,L0A,N0A,P0A_physical_environmental_misc.html So this would be okay in Windows? UNIX supports commas, right? At least, it better! -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 15:57:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA158662257; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:57:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28958; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:56:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28808; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [192.232.119.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28773; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber.kodak.com (toolbox.cyber.kodak.com) by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA10380 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:55:23 -0400 Received: from CHISEL by cyber.kodak.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA07848; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:55:15 -0400 (unknown) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:55:21 -0400 Message-Id: <7406-Mon20Apr1998155521-0400-lms@kodak.com> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 7 I) From: lms@kodak.com (Larry Strollo) To: pkhoury@loop.com Cc: afh1@ukc.ac.uk, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199804201943.MAA26134@stevie.loop.com> (pkhoury@loop.com) Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant on HTMl Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul> UNIX supports commas, right? At least, it better! Yep (just ask anyone who's done an "sccs create"). -- LMS --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry Strollo Eastman Kodak Co. lms@kodak.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 19:43:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA206535802; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:43:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10937; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:40:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10687; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10673; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mizzou-AS6-13.missouri.edu (Mizzou-AS6-13.missouri.edu [128.206.209.13]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA159134 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:40:42 -0500 From: c311353@showme.missouri.edu (Lazarus Long) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: help me unsubscribe Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:37:32 GMT Organization: Flat Earth Society Reply-To: c311353@showme.missouri.edu Message-Id: <353bdc29.3286343@pop.missouri.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu could someone please send unsubscribe info to me? Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 20:16:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA212037788; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:16:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12923; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:15:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12824; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12811; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.22.6.24] (lnh-1-24.mv.com [207.22.6.24]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id UAA27612 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804210011.UAA27612@mercury.mv.net> X-Sender: nh-kf@pop-lnh.mv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:12:52 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: kfredholm@nh.mv.com (Ken Fredholm) Subject: TP 360 -- Boot up Problem ?? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just bought a Thinkpad 360 that presumably only needed an internal DC-DC converter bd replacement (included). Well, replacing that item did not make the unit function. After stripping the unit down to its barebones out of the case (system board and DC-DC board only remain) and attaching the AC supply adaptor and the floppy drive suddenly there was life !! (Not sure what was done!!) The floppy began to startup as might be expected during a boot up. I added the other components including hard drive, display, keyboard and case, stopping to re-check operation after each step. The unit continued to function. Got the unit to operate properly for about an hour and then shut down for the evening. At the next powerup attempt the unit failed to boot at all (back to original symptoms !! Here are a few more clues: (1) Each time the reset button is depressed on the back, a power on attempt will cause the floppy to spin for about a second (once) -- further on/off switch cycling will not have any effect (2) Normally (in this failed condition), no status lights are active , but if the reset button is held in while the power switch is pressed about 6 of the indicator lights will latch ON. -- nothing will function though ! (3) No battery was in the unit during any of these tests. (4) AC adaptor output voltage is 20.2V (19-21 normal) (5) Both status and backup batteries at at proper nominal voltage levels. Any ideas as to where to go from here ?? Is there something really simple that I'm missing ?? -- I don't have access to any schematic diagrams, so its real difficult to do much trouble shooting at this point. Don't want to have to replace the system board, which I'm sure is cost prohibitive. Any help greatly appreciated. Ken F in Hudson, NH From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 20:32:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214278733; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:32:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14207; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:31:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14106; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smyrna.efe.net (mail.onecom.com [208.4.223.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14075; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from recluse (unverified [208.4.223.174]) by smyrna.efe.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:29:06 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Craig Beheler" To: Subject: IBM thinkpad docks FS Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:38:10 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have several IBM thinkpad docking stations for sale.THey are the DOCK I ibm type 3545-001.They have space for an internal cdrom and include all the external ports.Looking for $50 per dock.. thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 20:42:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215299348; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:42:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15372; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:41:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15282; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15254; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA15111 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199804210040.RAA15111@netcom11.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 1280x1024 anyone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For those of us unsatisfied with 1024x768, has anyone heard of higher resolution laptops in the works? 1152x960 used to be a standard workstation resolution; 1280x1024 is even nicer, of course. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 23:09:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA238968141; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:09:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21910; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:06:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21656; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21643; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.135.186]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA22330 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:05:22 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: Subject: Re: TP750 / TP755CX : TV tuner Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:02:58 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980421030521.AAA22330@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can anyone direct me to the Dos/Windows 3.1 video driver (NeoMagic 128XD) for the 560X? The download on the IBM website actually returns the W95 driver (mistaken link, I guess). Thanks! vftpxw31.exe is the file I need, the web site returns a W95 driver. ---------- > From: Joseph Manning > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Cc: Joseph Manning > Subject: TP750 / TP755CX : TV tuner > Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:44 AM > > Hi, > > Does anyone know if the TV tuner for the ThinkPad 750 > can be made to work in the ThinkPad 755CX (SVGA, TFT) ? > > I recently got such a tuner. It comes with a diskette > marked "System Program Service Diskette", containing > a program which is supposed to be run before installing > and operating the TV tuner. However, when I tried this, > it gave me back: > > "Message > > The diskette in the default drive will not run on this system. > Your system is now locked. To restart your system, press > Ctrl+Alt+Del." > > The tuner fits in the ThinkPad as a replacement for the diskette drive, > is labelled "IBM ThinkPad 750 TV TUNER PACK", and has part numbers > FRU P/N 66G6681 and ASM P/N 59G3731. > > My suspicion (well, my hope!) is that this hardware works also in > the 755CX, but needs a different "System Program Service Diskette". > If anyone has a TV tuner working in a 755CX (SVGA, TFT), could you > please check the part number of the hardware to see if it matches > the above? And if so, could you send me a copy of the corresponding > "System Program Service Diskette"? > > Or, if you know for sure that it cannot be done, then please tell me, > so that I can return the tuner to the seller. > > Thanks! -- Joseph > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Joseph Manning / Computer Science / Vassar College / manning@cs.vassar.edu > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 20 23:09:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA239558160; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:09:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21970; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:07:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21728; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21712; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.135.186]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA23497 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:06:40 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: Subject: Need 560X W3.1 video drivers Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:04:16 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980421030638.AAA23497@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can anyone direct me to the Dos/Windows 3.1 video driver (NeoMagic 128XD) for the 560X? The download on the IBM website actually returns the W95 driver (mistaken link, I guess). Thanks! vftpxw31.exe is the file I need, the web site returns a W95 driver. ---------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 21 00:58:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA256424733; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:58:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27271; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:55:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27013; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26933; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts10.loop.net (p29.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.104]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA28594 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804210455.VAA28594@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 21:55:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT), Paul Rubin wrote: >For those of us unsatisfied with 1024x768, has anyone heard of higher >resolution laptops in the works? 1152x960 used to be a standard >workstation resolution; 1280x1024 is even nicer, of course. > The only computers I could think of are possibly portable UNIX workstations. I know that the new SPARCbook supports 1024*768, and a similiar model by RDI might do higher. Is the highest on the 770 currently at 1024*768? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 21 01:20:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA259006047; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:20:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28194; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:19:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28051; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28037; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA21629; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:19:11 -1000 Message-Id: <002301bd6ce5$12dc9b00$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Rubin" , Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:19:33 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >For those of us unsatisfied with 1024x768, has anyone heard of higher >resolution laptops in the works? 1152x960 used to be a standard >workstation resolution; 1280x1024 is even nicer, of course. Hey, how about putting 2560x2048 on those new Seiko wristwatch computers?-) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 21 06:36:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA287255011; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:36:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15441; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:35:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15228; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15150; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1012186; 21 Apr 98 10:31 GMT Message-Id: <+HIIWAAtQFP1EwDW@moab.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:09:17 +0100 To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? In-Reply-To: <199804210455.VAA28594@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In message <199804210455.VAA28594@stevie.loop.com>, Paul Khoury writes snip > Is the highest on the 770 currently at 1024*768? Yes. -- Greg Terrell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 21 17:26:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA086853965; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:26:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20132; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:00:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19653; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19621; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:59:07 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:02:24 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd6d68$c85e6de0$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu They finally got them to work !!! They are now available to "regular" people. Just like Compaq they are NOT a Newsgroup but a cumbersome WEB /HTML and bullshit scripts plus kitchensink based mess. Why do not these people NOT understand what a "Newsgroup" is ????? Even Microsoft does it right ;-] .........sigh. Still there is some useful info there. peter.. -----Original Message----- From: IBM PC Company Technical Support To: IBM PCCo Support Customer Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 9:53 AM Subject: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! > >Thank you for using IBM's electronic support! > >We know that you will be able to find most, if not all, of the >solutions to your technical support needs on our support web site. If >you are ever unable to find what you're looking for, we also offer >product discussion forums for our PC products. We invite you to check >these out! > >These discussion forums provide you with a place to get answers about >your Aptiva, PC, ThinkPad, Server or IntelliStation. Your questions >may be answered by another customer who has already found a solution, >or by one of the IBM HelpCenter online technicians. > >Once you get to our discussion forums area, select your specific >product. Each product discussion forum is broken out by topic area to >better assist you. For example, the Aptiva support discussion forum >contains such topics as Windows95, Multimedia Software, and Ring >Central (just to name a few). > >To access the IBM discussion forums, go to >http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support and select the FORUMS option. > >Thank you again for choosing IBM electronic support! >(C) IBM Corporation > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 21 18:34:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA097218084; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:34:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23933; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:23:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23784; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zip.com.au (root@mail.zip.com.au [203.12.97.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23772; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haggis.sentor.com.au (zap12.zip.com.au [203.62.148.60]) by mail.zip.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA13224; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:22:59 +1000 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980421222059.006e509c@zip.com.au> X-Sender: cnscott@zip.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:20:59 +1000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, phr@netcom.com From: Chris Scott Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You probably know this already but...the 770 supports 1280x1024 on an external monitor. You still have to put up with 1024x768 when you travel. ps, i think laptop screens have just about got as big as they will get. If they get any bigger we wont be able to carry the things around! c. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 21 20:14:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115294094; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:14:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29171; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:09:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29010; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28995; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p19.hwts10.loop.net (p19.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.94]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA02062; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804220009.RAA02062@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 17:09:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:02:24 -0700, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: >They finally got them to work !!! >They are now available to "regular" people. >Just like Compaq they are NOT a Newsgroup but a cumbersome >WEB /HTML and bullshit scripts plus kitchensink based mess. >Why do not these people NOT understand what a "Newsgroup" is ????? >Even Microsoft does it right ;-] .........sigh. >Still there is some useful info there. > > Is it in any ways like this list? Or does it really stink? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 21 20:54:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA120046487; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:54:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01859; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:50:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01690; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01668; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl ([12.69.70.230]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA26266 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:50:12 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980421204417.00a4e2a0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:44:17 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! In-Reply-To: <199804220009.RAA02062@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:09 PM 4/21/98 -0800, you wrote: >Is it in any ways like this list? Or does it really stink? > It really stinks. Web-based forums usually do, IMHO. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 21 21:11:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA122287516; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:11:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03150; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:07:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02996; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02971; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:04:44 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Jane Loyless" Subject: Re: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:07:56 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd6d8b$15b05000$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes I agree . I also belong to Compaq's forum ...same mess. For what it's worth half a year ago on Symantec 's "Forum" the big topic of discussion was the new WEB based format Vs the old "newsgroup" version. All the regular users hated the new version. Symantec reply was that the WEB version was easier for new users. i.e. "we think many of our customers aren't too bright" (grin) ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! >At 05:09 PM 4/21/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Is it in any ways like this list? Or does it really stink? >> > >It really stinks. Web-based forums usually do, IMHO. > >Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 00:37:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA161129835; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:37:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12972; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:32:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12582; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12544; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11641 invoked by uid 66); 22 Apr 1998 04:29:12 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 00:48 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Chris Scott (cnscott@zip.com.au) wrote: > You probably know this already but...the 770 supports 1280x1024 on an > external monitor. That's true for all TP's with 2MB VGA ram, at least 760+. Dunno for 755. > ps, i think laptop screens have just about got as big as they will get. If > they get any bigger we wont be able to carry the things around! A4 is A4 is A4 ... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 00:37:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA161399865; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:37:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12967; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:32:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12569; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12543; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11647 invoked by uid 66); 22 Apr 1998 04:29:13 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 00:50 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP (machule@triumf.ca) wrote: > Why do not these people NOT understand what a "Newsgroup" is ????? We do - internally. Gateway'd from VM fora that is, but usable. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 00:56:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA165380965; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:56:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14530; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:53:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14445; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14310; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09207; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804220451.VAA09207@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "h.milz@seneca.muc.de" , "Harald Milz" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 21:51:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Apr 98 00:48 CEST, Harald Milz wrote: >Chris Scott (cnscott@zip.com.au) wrote: >> You probably know this already but...the 770 supports 1280x1024 on an >> external monitor. > >That's true for all TP's with 2MB VGA ram, at least 760+. Dunno for 755. > I think the 755 just has 1MB. >> ps, i think laptop screens have just about got as big as they will get. If >> they get any bigger we wont be able to carry the things around! > >A4 is A4 is A4 ... > > Which is... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 00:58:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA165761086; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:58:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14928; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:55:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14749; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14652; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09681; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804220454.VAA09681@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 21:54:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:44:17 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 05:09 PM 4/21/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Is it in any ways like this list? Or does it really stink? >> > >It really stinks. Web-based forums usually do, IMHO. > Ahh, so it is web based. I'm not too surprised that it stinks.. I'm surprised that they can't create something that works with standard newsreaders, and I can't think of a platform that doesn't have a newsreader for it. Heck, I think DOS has one. And the other problem is that downloading a web page with all the graphics crap takes forever, too. Sometimes the graphics are nice, and other times, it's a waste of bandwidth. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 01:00:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA166571250; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 01:00:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15570; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:58:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15357; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15048; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA10002; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804220456.VAA10002@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 21:56:51 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >All the regular users hated the new version. >Symantec reply was that the WEB version was easier for new users. >i.e. "we think many of our customers aren't too bright" (grin) And what really surprises me is that with this attitude, how to they expect to gain new customers based on what the current ones think? And this should apply to all companies using the crappy browser based format. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 03:16:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA184829375; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:16:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20416; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:11:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20035; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20022; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-67-227.swissonline.ch [195.24.67.227]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA09720 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:07:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804220707.JAA09720@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:12:02 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: MIDI control with a 755 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a TP 755 CDV with Mwave installed over different OS's. I would like to use my laptop under Win 3.1 or WinOS2 to control MIDI exter= nal devices using a squencer. How can I "reach" the MIDI port that is at the rear of my compute= r ? Thanks for help 04/21/98 19:21:16 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 11:18:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA235958292; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:18:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13890; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:10:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13707; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13679; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.24] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Wed, 22 Apr 98 10:09:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:09:20 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Change HDD in 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone here ever changed a hard drive in a 755CE? Any gotchas? Thanks. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/22/98, 10:09:17 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 11:24:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA236768649; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:24:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14606; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:18:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14483; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14468; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:18:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 862565EE.00542D8B ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:19:26 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <862565EE.00539845.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:18:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hey guys chill! It's better than what they provided before. Plus the arguments on UI implementation is nothing but tangential noise in this forum. Don't like it, dont use it. The contents of this list isnt probly aint gonna affect their implementation. This is getting almost as bad as religious OS wars that happen here on ocassion. rich From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 12:21:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA246202060; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:21:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18829; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:13:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18540; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arthur.axion.bt.co.uk (mailhub.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.5.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18501; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rambo (actually rambo.futures.bt.co.uk) by arthur.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:00:27 +0100 Received: from mussel.futures.bt.co.uk (actually mussel) by rambo with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:53:07 +0100 Received: by mussel.futures.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BD6E0E.96ABC940@mussel.futures.bt.co.uk>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:49:17 +0100 Message-Id: From: Ho Chin Keong To: "'thinkpad'" Subject: infra-red with linux on thinkpad Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:53:22 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Encoding: 9 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, Just trying my luck here to see if anyone has any experiences in setting up the infra-red device in thinkpad with linux. I have got the source code from http://www.cs.uit.no/~dagb/irda/irda.html and have no success so far. I am using Thinkpad 755CX and my kernel version is 2.0.30. Thanks for any comments/replis in advance ! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 12:59:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA253284380; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:59:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21483; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:47:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21336; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (Hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.1.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21324; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dbark2.stanford.edu (unverified [36.33.0.214]) by Hoover.Stanford.EDU (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:47:30 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980422094731.008392a0@hoover.stanford.edu> X-Sender: bark@hoover.stanford.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:47:31 -0700 To: mdavis1@airmail.net From: "Dennis L. Bark" Subject: Re: Change HDD in 755CE Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes. Switched from 340 to 1.2 last year. It was a clean reload, using Ghost. It worked perfectly! (I didn't do it myself; I watched while one of the system managers at Stanford did it for me). It was easy. It took about one hour, plus some preparation. We lost nothing. Doing a clean reload, however, will take up a little more space in your new harddrive because the space (I don't remember the technical term) expands somewhat. D. L. Bark At 10:09 AM 4/22/98 CST, you wrote: >Has anyone here ever changed a hard drive in a 755CE? Any gotchas? Thanks. > >Mark in San Angelo >mdavis1@airmail.net >04/22/98, 10:09:17 > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 15:45:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA284504335; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:45:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03482; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:37:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03277; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opie.usu.edu (opie.usu.edu [129.123.1.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03258; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IW671H90MYAFWK35@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:37:14 MST Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:38:39 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: 701cs DOS Box contrast To: ThinkPad Mailing List Reply-To: slppj@cc.usu.edu Message-Id: <353E473F.C0CF4819@usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone else experience this? 701cs, DX4-75Mhz, 24Mb RAM Win95b Whenever I use a dos box in Win95 the screen blanks and then the contrast becomes real light before the Dos box/window opens. If I use the Fn key combo to adjust the contrast back down, then the next time I reboot/restart the machine boots with the contrast real bright again. Anyone else experience this? Anyone know how to fix it? I've tried changing the monitor type setting from unknown SVGA to standard laptop(640x480)but that didn't help. Any suggestions appreciated. -Greg A. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 15:48:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA285014509; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:48:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03722; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:41:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03609; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03566; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts09.loop.net (p26.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.71]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA03353; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804221938.MAA03353@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "mdavis1@airmail.net" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 12:40:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Change HDD in 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:09:20 CST, Mark O. Davis wrote: >Has anyone here ever changed a hard drive in a 755CE? Any gotchas? Thanks. No, but I could probably help you out. The HDs in 755's are standard 2.5" IDE drives. In fact, I was running Warp Server off a 340MB HD that came out of 755 for a while 'till I got 3.5" equivalents. What size/brand do you want to put in? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 15:55:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA286534904; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:55:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04045; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:43:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03957; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03938; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts09.loop.net (p26.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.71]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA03469; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804221941.MAA03469@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dennis L. Bark" , "mdavis1@airmail.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 12:43:16 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Change HDD in 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:47:31 -0700, Dennis L. Bark wrote: Doing a clean >reload, however, will take up a little more space in your new harddrive >because the space (I don't remember the technical term) expands somewhat. This would be because of the cluster size difference. OS/2, NT, and Linux don't have this problem as much as FAT12,16, and 32. The cluster size for 1.2GB should be about 16K on FAT16, which would mean that a 512 byte batch file still takes up 16,384 bytes. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 15:57:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA286695021; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:57:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04870; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:47:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04674; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04544; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts09.loop.net (p26.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.71]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA03623; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804221944.MAA03623@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Greg Alvandian" , "slppj@cc.usu.edu" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 12:46:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701cs DOS Box contrast Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:38:39 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: >Does anyone else experience this? Yup. >701cs, DX4-75Mhz, 24Mb RAM Win95b Same configuration, except OS/2 4.0 is the OS. >Whenever I use a dos box in Win95 the screen blanks and then the >contrast becomes real light before the Dos box/window opens. This doesn't happen when opening an OS/2 window, but if I open a DOS window (not fullscreen), the screen refresh rate is screwed up, and it gets fixed by either making the window a fullscreen, or pressing Fn-F1, and exiting. If I use >the Fn key combo to adjust the contrast back down, then the next time I >reboot/restart the machine boots with the contrast real bright again. >Anyone else experience this? Yes, this happens VERY often. I have the same experiance with the contrast, too, where if I adjust it up or down, it goes back to a more reasonable level. Anyone know how to fix it? I wish I did. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 15:59:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA286905143; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:59:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05708; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:52:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05431; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box.hacom.nl (root@box.hacom.nl [193.67.233.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05167; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn101-amf.hacom.nl (dyn101-amf.hacom.nl [193.67.233.101]) by box.hacom.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13533 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:54:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199804221954.VAA13533@box.hacom.nl> From: "Arjen Meijer" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:51:09 -0200 Reply-To: "Arjen Meijer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 22 Apr 1998 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:15:19 -0400 (EDT), owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU wrote: >To access the IBM discussion forums, go to >http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support and select the FORUMS option. Where can I get a user-id and password? Arjen __________________________________________ Wie als Meijer geboren is, wordt nooit een kwartje. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 16:02:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA287255343; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:02:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05610; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:52:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05321; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05247; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:50:25 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (ad23-051.arl.compuserve.com [199.174.165.51]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with SMTP id PAA09592 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980422132807.00801100@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:28:07 -0400 To: Thinkpad List From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Change HDD in 755CE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:09 AM 4/22/98 CST, Mark O. Davis wrote: >Has anyone here ever changed a hard drive in a 755CE? Any gotchas? Thanks. If you mean unplugging one drive and plugging in another, the only things to be concerned about are: 1) Don't do it hundreds of times. I don't know what the connector lifetime insertions rating is. 2) Make sure that you have a current BIOS installed, so the machine will recognize large drives. 3) Make sure that you have a bootable floppy with sufficient drivers to install an OS onto the new hard drive. If using a PCMCIA SCSI card to talk to a CD-ROM drive, that would be particularly important. Test the boot floppy by reading the CD-ROM before you do anything rash with the old hard drive. If you are talking about opening up the drive enclosure, removing the drive from the little plastic box, replacing it with another drive, and putting the little plastic box enclosure back together, someone else will need to guide you. I've managed to avoid that fun so far. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED, available from keyservers iQEVAwUBNT4opOukCaFXG1W9AQEG8wf+Ps7pbzXtsefdk6iEoA/zUzhlfhfBJyZs sziHae7cEEaEb45z6mjXPQ5g5lYCBUut2mXusvTfulfEJEurIwAsBspGc7h5CdaU sl5RbsVNak74SbEB61EW4L8CddL9SNLG2GTVnr80u2A9BxWrOxsl8YmBgrD4t0E9 3fxFEQclL+/H1xf8LNdfxyTBmgh0IAgJfn7T2KsGeaYUm1uQkzO6pQbGlBSLDhja Q6eRyB6pCdrd0j7p0dc20JERfBGiCtflSJr9qnA1vU92qf/O5eLSy7qMIZgk0UiZ EB2HOqcFqAULXl6FP1YnC0FgfzSCpoYb5OgfQ6JsPtA62W5zXXZqUA== =AHb3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 16:21:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA290826507; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:21:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07421; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:06:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07314; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06980; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts09.loop.net (p26.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.71]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA04366 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804222001.NAA04366@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 13:03:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I sent the ThinkPad Assistant to several people using Windows 95, and they were not able to unzip it. Can anyone help me with this? Since I don't have Windows, I can't try to diagnose the problem myself. As I stated before, a majority of the files use long file names with commas. Spaces are NOT used, but underscores are. Also, I recently added all the 360s, the 365's, and am starting on the 500 today (maybe I'll get to the 510 and 560). TIA. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 16:37:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA293727452; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:37:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09590; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:32:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09370; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carouge.DMI.USherb.CA (carouge.DMI.USherb.CA [132.210.40.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09337; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dmi.usherb.ca (E4-0028.Residence.usherb.ca [206.167.182.28]) by carouge.DMI.USherb.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05287 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <353E5445.C01BB00D@dmi.usherb.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:34:13 -0400 From: Tarik Moumina Reply-To: moumina@DMI.USherb.CA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SUBSCRIBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu SUBSCRIBE moumina@DMI.USherb.CA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 16:44:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA295337868; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:44:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09626; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:33:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09516; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedar.netten.net (root@cedar.netten.net [205.244.191.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09396; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dedra2 (net2-76.netten.net [206.229.193.76]) by cedar.netten.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11290; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:33:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980422151836.007fc5c0@netten.net> X-Sender: shelby@netten.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:18:36 -0500 To: "Arjen Meijer" , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" From: Larose Wynne Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 22 Apr 1998 In-Reply-To: <199804221954.VAA13533@box.hacom.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Arjen, the way I got mine was by registering my TPad on the IBM page. There may be another way to do it?? Later, Larose At 09:51 PM 4/22/98 -0200, Arjen Meijer wrote: >On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:15:19 -0400 (EDT), owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU >wrote: > >>To access the IBM discussion forums, go to >>http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support and select the FORUMS option. > >Where can I get a user-id and password? > >Arjen >__________________________________________ >Wie als Meijer geboren is, wordt nooit een kwartje. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 17:06:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA001349159; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:05:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11167; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:40:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10825; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10658; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id QAA27846; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:40:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:40:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant In-Reply-To: <199804222001.NAA04366@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wednesday, 22nd April 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > I sent the ThinkPad Assistant to several people using Windows 95, and > they were not able to unzip it. Can anyone help me with this? If you do an unzip table of contents, do the file names show up as expected? Can you extract it onto your OS/2 system without problems? Do those people all use one particular Windows 95 unzip program? Perhaps the problem is with that one program rather than your archive... Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 18:11:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA014343114; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:11:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16829; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:03:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16494; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16475; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p05.hwts12.loop.net (p05.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.140]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA09192; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804222200.PAA09192@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christian Carey" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 15:03:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:40:53 -0400 (EDT), Christian Carey wrote: >On Wednesday, 22nd April 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> I sent the ThinkPad Assistant to several people using Windows 95, and >> they were not able to unzip it. Can anyone help me with this? > >If you do an unzip table of contents, do the file names show up as expected? >Can you extract it onto your OS/2 system without problems? Do those >people all use one particular Windows 95 unzip program? Perhaps the >problem is with that one program rather than your archive... That's what I'm thinking. I've done long file names before and had no problems. I also just made a temp directory, and unzipped them without a problem. I don't know whether the Windows people are using PKZIP only, WinZIP only, both, or something else. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 18:39:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA020164779; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:39:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18817; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:35:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18615; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18561; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22169 invoked by uid 66); 22 Apr 1998 22:32:02 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 21:58 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > I think the 755 just has 1MB. It also has only 800x600 displays max. > >> ps, i think laptop screens have just about got as big as they will get. If > >> they get any bigger we wont be able to carry the things around! > > > >A4 is A4 is A4 ... > > > > > Which is... ... 297x210 mm. At least our IBM toys won't grow bigger by marketing definition. But hey, 14.4" TFT's have about as much visible area as a 15.5" or 16" CRT. I wish I had a 770... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 18:40:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA020264822; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:40:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18875; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:35:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18586; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18540; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22161 invoked by uid 66); 22 Apr 1998 22:32:01 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 21:55 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: infra-red with linux on thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ho Chin Keong (ho.chin.keong@bt-sys.bt.co.uk) wrote: > Hi all, > > Just trying my luck here to see if anyone has any experiences in setting up > the infra-red device in thinkpad with linux. I have got the source code from > > http://www.cs.uit.no/~dagb/irda/irda.html and have no success so far. I am > using Thinkpad 755CX and my kernel version is 2.0.30. You really should get in contact with the person who writes the driver. I pretty much doubt anyone else can help better. Oh yes you can also subscribe to linux-net@vger.rutgers.edu, that's where the gurus live. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 18:55:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA023005704; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:55:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20280; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:51:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20173; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.walrus.com (frog.walrus.com [206.24.16.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20148; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from walrus.com ([206.153.127.5] (may be forged)) by mailhub.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id SAA01851; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Sender: davidc@walrus.com Message-Id: <353E74B9.7E410965@walrus.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:52:41 -0400 From: David Carrigan Organization: withall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.3 IP32) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: infra-red with linux on thinkpad References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got a 760XD running RedHat 5.0 v2.0.32. The biggest issue is the DSP and the BIOS settings. The serial port at back is set for COM1 and so are the IR devices. If I want the serial port, I get no IR... so I "waste" the IR facilities for the serial. If you look at the "Hardware" page at the Linux/IR Project (the site listed below) you'll not find a TP tested. IBM folks may like Linux, but the TP is "designed" for the other, LCD, OS(sic). %{ best david Harald Milz wrote: > > Ho Chin Keong (ho.chin.keong@bt-sys.bt.co.uk) wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Just trying my luck here to see if anyone has any experiences in setting up > > the infra-red device in thinkpad with linux. I have got the source code from > > > > http://www.cs.uit.no/~dagb/irda/irda.html and have no success so far. I am > > using Thinkpad 755CX and my kernel version is 2.0.30. > > You really should get in contact with the person who writes the driver. I > pretty much doubt anyone else can help better. Oh yes you can also > subscribe to linux-net@vger.rutgers.edu, that's where the gurus live. -- _____________________________________________ ... d a v i d c @ w a l r u s . c o m ) - - - - - - - ^ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 21:05:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA045933522; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:05:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25864; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:58:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25618; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25603; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.69] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Wed, 22 Apr 98 19:58:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: "ThinkPad List" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:57:31 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Paul Khoury" Wed, 22 Apr 98 15:03:00 > I also just made a temp directory, and unzipped them without a problem. I don't > know whether the Windows people are using PKZIP only, WinZIP only, both, or > something else. Perhaps the EAs stored in the archive are confusing the Win/DOS archiver programs? Try recreating the archives using PKZIP for DOS or PKZIP for OS/2 2.5 with the /204 option. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/22/98, 19:57:28 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 22 22:16:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA057157775; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:16:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28422; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:03:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28259; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28239; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA02949; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:06:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:06:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Paul Khoury , "Mark O. Davis" Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wednesday, 22nd April 1998, Mark O. Davis wrote: > Perhaps the EAs stored in the archive are confusing the Win/DOS archiver > programs? Try recreating the archives using PKZIP for DOS or PKZIP for OS/2 > 2.5 with the /204 option. That's certainly a possibility, Mark! If you'd used the Zip program from Info-ZIP to create the archive, Paul, try recreating the archive using the -X option to exclude the extra file attributes (such as EAs under OS/2). Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 02:57:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA103334662; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:57:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08524; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:54:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08261; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08249; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id HAA29514 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:54:02 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 07:53 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: new OS/2 display driver for 770 .. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There is a new driver dated April 18 that purports to fix the blank screen and FP6 problems. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 07:01:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA130429280; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:01:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22581; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:58:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22202; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22190; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ySJhc-000WkMC; Thu, 23 Apr 98 03:58 PDT Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ySJhK-0001HnC; Thu, 23 Apr 98 03:57 PDT Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12079; Thu, 23 Apr 98 03:58:02 PDT Received: by ladybug.M2_BLDG (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA04608; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:05:17 -0700 From: czs00@eng.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <199804231105.EAA04608@ladybug.M2_BLDG> Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant In-Reply-To: from Christian Carey at "Apr 22, 98 10:06:36 pm" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, czs00@eng.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > On Wednesday, 22nd April 1998, Mark O. Davis wrote: > > > Perhaps the EAs stored in the archive are confusing the Win/DOS archiver > > programs? Try recreating the archives using PKZIP for DOS or PKZIP for OS/2 > > 2.5 with the /204 option. > > That's certainly a possibility, Mark! If you'd used the Zip program from > Info-ZIP to create the archive, Paul, try recreating the archive using the > -X option to exclude the extra file attributes (such as EAs under OS/2). I know for a fact that EA attribute files do not cause PKzip to hang under NT. I have some of these files hanging around my hard drive, because I cannot delete them. :-} PKzio and Winzip will test the archive witout problems, but, if I try to extract one or more of the files with comma in the name, Winzip hangs, and PKZip gives me: PKUNZIP: (W10) Warning! can't create: thinkpad_701-00D,00F,2SU,2TU,5SU,5TU,7SU,7TU_standard_features.html I am using PKzip 2.04g and WinZip 6.1 and I am working on a FAT16 drive under NT.3.5.1. I can create a file with the same name with a DOS command, so I suspect this is most likely a problem with the version of PKZip I am using. Tomorrow I can try to use the Info-Zip version of unzip, and see if it behaves any better. Serenella Ciongoli From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 07:33:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA133841186; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:33:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23792; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:30:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23405; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR04 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.160]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23387; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ixswykpv - 193.149.85.182 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:29:17 -0700 Message-Id: <000801bd6eab$20e6c6e0$b5e901c0@ixswykpv> From: "LPLarsen" <71420666@email.msn.com> To: "IBM Thinkpad List" Subject: Free Part (just pay shipping) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:28:46 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu By mistake, I ordered a part from Boulder which is not returnable. It is part number 12J0521, the internal CD rom connector for a TP310ED. If anyone is interested in it (before I throw it out), please let me know. Shipping >from England for this thing via airmail will be about $5, I would guess. Cost from IBM was $34.91 including tax. Just let me know. First come, first served. Larry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 09:47:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA149029244; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:47:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29289; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:43:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29017; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialip.sdn.dk (dialip.sdn.dk [147.29.40.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28998; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from notessrv.dlr.dk by dialip.sdn.dk (8.7.6/4.03) id NAA40242; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:41:52 GMT Received: by notessrv.dlr.dk(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 412565EF.0050D9D3 ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:43:06 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: DLR To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <412565EF.0030CEDA.00@notessrv.dlr.dk> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:43:02 +0100 Subject: TP/770 and Linux - What will I get Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hay I'm currently running Win95(for the family), WinNT(for the money) & Warp 4(for the fun) on my TP/770 and now speculating about Linux. But I'm a little bit worried about the support for my configuration, so is there anyone who have some experience whit this configuration : TP/770 233Mhz, 64 Mb PCcard Adaptec SCSI PCcard Lasat k56flex modem PCcard TDK HD 260Mb CS4237B / SRS 3D audio CD-Rom/DVD Mpeg2 VideoInOut I now that not all will work, but what will. I don't now anything about Linux!!, but some says it's fun??. Nicolai Madsen nim@dlr.dk Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 10:35:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA154772157; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:35:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02151; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:31:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01727; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calliope1.fm.intel.com (calliope1.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01710; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fmsmsx27.fm.intel.com (fmsmsx27.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.27]) by calliope1.fm.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11840 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:31:21 GMT Message-Id: <199804231431.OAA11840@calliope1.fm.intel.com> Received: by FMSMSX27 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:31:20 -0700 From: "Sarff, Gary E" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 360 CSE, number of colors and RAM Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:26:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu question: 1) I have an old thinkpad 360 CSE, it seems to be capable of only 16 colors, is this true? I am running Win 95 and have tried changing the color settings to 640x480 x 256 colors, and monitor type, from what it was set at, Western Digital,to generic/standard SVGA, but when booting 95 it will always say that some video settings are incompatible with my hardware. 2) Where is the location where more RAM can be added? On my 701C it had a slot on the bottom of the case but the 360 does not seem to have anything accessible from the outside. I did not want to pry and take it apart until I knew for what I was looking. thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 12:06:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA169447611; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:06:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08671; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:00:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08284; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08237; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20908 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA14234; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant In-Reply-To: <199804231105.EAA04608@ladybug.M2_BLDG> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It unzipped find using winzip 6.3 on a win95 system. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 12:22:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA172288537; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:22:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10238; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:17:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09862; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09805; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25443; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA16157; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: "Sarff, Gary E" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 360 CSE, number of colors and RAM In-Reply-To: <199804231431.OAA11840@calliope1.fm.intel.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Sarff, Gary E wrote: > questions: > > 1) I have an old thinkpad 360 CSE, it seems to be capable of only 16 > colors, is this true? ...running Win 95.. No, I was running Warp in 256 when I added Win95. Someone on this list walked me thru the process. I now have 256 colors in Win95. If no one has the info on tap I'll dig out the directions I was given. > 2) Where is the location where more RAM can be added? under the battery or the floppy, I forget which. But very easy access. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 12:49:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA177110167; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:49:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12328; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:46:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12122; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12081; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA18440; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:45:51 -0500 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29327; Thu, 23 Apr 98 12:47:20 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA17412; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:47:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:47:31 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Ho Chin Keong Cc: "'thinkpad'" Subject: Re: infra-red with linux on thinkpad In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Ho Chin Keong wrote: > Just trying my luck here to see if anyone has any > experiences in setting up the infra-red device in thinkpad > with linux. I have got the source code from > > http://www.cs.uit.no/~dagb/irda/irda.html and have no success so far. I am > using Thinkpad 755CX and my kernel version is 2.0.30. I'm fairly certain that IRDA is just a error detection/ correction protocol. You don't need it if the software you're using already has error detection/correction (e.g. Laplink, Zmodem if you're transferring files, or TCP/IP if you're running SLIP over your IR :-). Linux will just treat the IR connection as a standard null-modem connection, no special drivers needed. Most IRDA-compliant devices seem to respond to raw serial input just fine. I've printed raw text on my HP LJ 6MP via the IR port without problems before. Obviously for something large like mutli-megabyte postsript files, the error correction is useful. I don't know what the error rate is on these things so I can't say *how* useful though. So decide if you really need IRDA in the first place. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 13:03:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA180601038; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:03:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13456; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:01:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13278; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eugw1.bp.com (eugw1.bp.com [194.203.80.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13226; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eugw1.bp.com; id RAA25951; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:59:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from euimsx1(161.102.253.109) by eugw1.bp.com via smap (3.2) id xma025842; Thu, 23 Apr 98 17:59:29 +0100 Received: by EUIMSX1.hem.eu.bp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:58:38 +0100 Message-Id: From: "Smith, Jason N (SEMA)" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: 770 external monitor screen blank Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:57:42 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I have 4 770s for presentations, they aren't much good as the screen blanks after 10 mins of inactivity. It only happens in DOS or PowerPoint Presentation mode, when only the external monitor is enabled. If the blanking is set for less than 10 mins, it blanks correctly.. anything over 10 minutes, or if blanking is disabled, it still blanks.. Anyone else spotted this? IBM are dragging their feet over it. I have done everything I can think of - I am an IT Support chap, so I know what I am doing.. I can only think that it is a fault in the BIOS (I have updated to the latest version). Bah. ============================================ [][][][] [][][] Jason Smith [] [] GBC Project Team [] [][] 0171 496 5655 [] [] [] smithjn@bp.com [][] [][][] ============================================ http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~smithjn/ ============================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 13:31:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA187802717; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:31:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15547; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:28:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15277; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb1.mailbank.com (mb1.mailbank.com [204.244.193.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15251; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pp111-38.bctel.ca [209.52.111.38] (HELO DavidS) by mb1.mailbank.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0H/2.0H BL25H listener) id 0000_01a4_353f_791e_f72b; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:23:42 -0700 Message-Id: <002401bd6edc$6f481f60$266f34d1@DavidS.Crombie.bc.sympatico.ca> From: "David Crombie" To: "Patrick West" Cc: Subject: Re: TP 360 CSE, number of colors and RAM Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:21:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> 2) Where is the location where more RAM can be added? >under the battery or the floppy, I forget which. But very easy access. > I had a 360C - the ram was under the floppy bay left hand side. A tug on the tab on the drive will pull it out towards you (i think). The RAM in that machine is a card if I remember correctly and inserts under the drive. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 14:15:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA200415307; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:15:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18513; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:11:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18331; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18317; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidrob (user-38ld1ea.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.133.202]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA09174 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <353F8430.47CB@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:10:56 -0400 From: "David W. Robinson" Reply-To: daveyboy@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpad 350c HD Replacement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi All :-) I just bought a 350c with a 120 mb HD and was thinking about Upgrading the Hard Drive. Can anyone please tell me 1)if a standard 2.5" hard drive will work 2)Does it need a bios flash 3)Where can I find any updates to the original bios? Thany you for your time and kind attention to this matter. Signed, Clueless in Brooklyn From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 14:59:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA212057979; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:59:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21449; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:57:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21264; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21243; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-138.usc.edu [128.125.227.138]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA59790 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:56:45 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980423115819.00a0fe58@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:58:26 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: TP760CD -- MWAVE -- Win/NT 4.0 problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone gotten IBM MWAVE modem to work under Win/NT 4.0 on the IBM Thinkpad 760CD ? Mine shows carrier detect w/o any signal present (i.e. even before trying to dial). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 15:06:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA213348383; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:06:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22219; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:03:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21955; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21885; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p28.hwts10.loop.net (p28.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.103]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA08453; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804231901.MAA08453@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "h.milz@seneca.muc.de" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 12:02:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu But hey, 14.4" TFT's have about as much visible area as a >15.5" or 16" CRT. I wish I had a 770... > > Don't we all? But when LCDs get too big, like 15, 16, 17", then I probably won't want to take it with me. As it is, it's hard enough taking both my 701 and SPARCbook with me EVERYWHERE (along with school books, printer, AC adapters, etc.), and I recently bought another ThinkPad as well. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 15:12:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214828722; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:12:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22827; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:08:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22434; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22072; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p28.hwts10.loop.net (p28.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.103]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA08683; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804231903.MAA08683@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christian Carey" , "Mark O. Davis" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 12:03:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:06:36 -0400 (EDT), Christian Carey wrote: >On Wednesday, 22nd April 1998, Mark O. Davis wrote: > >> Perhaps the EAs stored in the archive are confusing the Win/DOS archiver >> programs? Try recreating the archives using PKZIP for DOS or PKZIP for OS/2 >> 2.5 with the /204 option. > >That's certainly a possibility, Mark! If you'd used the Zip program from >Info-ZIP to create the archive, Paul, try recreating the archive using the >-X option to exclude the extra file attributes (such as EAs under OS/2). > I used PKZIP 2.5 for OS/2 Unreg. ver. I could also try Info-zip if anyone wants me to. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 15:13:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215028787; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:13:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23215; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:10:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22630; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22489; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p28.hwts10.loop.net (p28.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.103]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09280; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804231907.MAA09280@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Patrick West" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 12:08:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:59:15 -0700 (PDT), Patrick West wrote: >It unzipped find using winzip 6.3 on a win95 system. Okay, so it must be a problem with particular versions of PKZIP or WinZIP. Also, a status update, I added the 500, 510, 560, 700SLC, and 701DX4. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 15:27:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218669625; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:27:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24688; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:23:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24449; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24364; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p28.hwts10.loop.net (p28.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.103]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA11136; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804231921.MAA11136@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Sarff, Gary E" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 12:21:57 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 360 CSE, number of colors and RAM Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:26:00 -0700, Sarff, Gary E wrote: > question: > > 1) I have an old thinkpad 360 CSE, it seems to be capable of only 16 >colors, > is this true? No. The 355, 360, and possibly the 755 have the Western Digital 90C24 is I think is VESA and has 1MB of RAM. You should at least get up to 256 or 65,536 colors. Since you have a dual scan LCD, you might be able to get 65K color setting, but you won't get that many simultaniously. I am running Win 95 and have tried changing the color > settings to 640x480 x 256 colors, and monitor type, from what it was >set > at, Western Digital,to generic/standard SVGA, but when booting 95 it >will > always say that some video settings are incompatible with my >hardware. > Check WD's website, and look for a more recent driver. > 2) Where is the location where more RAM can be added? On my 701C it had >a > slot on the bottom of the case but the 360 does not seem to have >anything > accessible from the outside. I did not want to pry and take it apart > > until I knew for what I was looking. > For the 360, it is under the floppy drive on the left side of the machine. It looks like a PCMCIA slot, but it is in fact for the memory. The last I heard, you could add a 16MB module to boost it up to 20MB, but this might have changed now (like with the 701, from 24 to 40). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 15:30:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219289845; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:30:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25326; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:27:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24850; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24798; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p28.hwts10.loop.net (p28.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.103]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA11703; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804231926.MAA11703@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "daveyboy@mindspring.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 12:26:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad 350c HD Replacement Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:10:56 -0400, David W. Robinson wrote: >Hi All :-) > >I just bought a 350c with a 120 mb HD and was thinking about Upgrading >the Hard Drive. Can anyone please tell me > >1)if a standard 2.5" hard drive will work It should, but what size were you looking at? Looking at the TP Assistant, it says the largest drive offered by IBM was 250 MB, but since it's IDE, you should be able to get to 540MB before you run into problems. >2)Does it need a bios flash Check to see if a FLASH BIOS upgrade changes the IDE to EIDE so it can recognize greater than 1024 cylinders on the HD, and sizes larger than 528/540MB. >3)Where can I find any updates to the original bios? > Probably from IBM's confusing web site. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 15:31:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219419877; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:31:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25534; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:28:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24957; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24769; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p28.hwts10.loop.net (p28.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.103]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA08965; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804231905.MAA08965@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Serenella Ciongoli" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Serenella Ciongoli" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 12:06:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >PKzio and Winzip will test the archive witout problems, but, if I try to >extract one or more of the files with comma in the name, Winzip hangs, and >PKZip gives me: > That's very unusual. As I noted below, it could be a limitation of the filesystem. >PKUNZIP: (W10) Warning! can't create: thinkpad_701-00D,00F,2SU,2TU,5SU,5TU,7SU,7TU_standard_features.html > >I am using PKzip 2.04g and WinZip 6.1 and I am working on a FAT16 drive >under NT.3.5.1. > Maybe it's also a limitiation of FAT? Has anyone tried under NTFS? What about UNIX/Linux? >I can create a file with the same name with a DOS command, so I suspect this >is most likely a problem with the version of PKZip I am using. > >Tomorrow I can try to use the Info-Zip version of unzip, and see if it >behaves any better. And if that fails, then we could try talking to PKWARE and the people who make Info-zip. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 15:35:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219970107; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:35:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26173; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:30:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25518; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25273; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p28.hwts10.loop.net (p28.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.103]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA11989; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804231928.MAA11989@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Smith, Jason N (SEMA)" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 12:29:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 770 external monitor screen blank Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >IBM are dragging their feet over it. > >I have done everything I can think of - I am an IT Support chap, so I know >what I am doing.. I can only think that it is a fault in the BIOS (I have >updated to the latest version). > >Bah. It could be the BIOS, where it interprets the variable you input for the screen blanking incorrectly, and goes back to a default of 10 minutes. Try to speak to the highest level you can at IBM if they still don't care. As nice as the 770 is, it seems that there are a lot of screen-related problems (like this one, the OS/2 Warp driver problem, etc). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 15:54:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA224281283; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:54:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28106; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:51:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27908; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opie.usu.edu (opie.usu.edu [129.123.1.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27883; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IW7LSK9ZU2AEOL1Z@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:50:43 MST Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:52:15 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Reply-To: slppj@cc.usu.edu Message-Id: <353F9BEF.C8819AF5@usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199804231905.MAA08965@stevie.loop.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had no problem unzipping the file with Winzip 6.2. I did have a problem displaying the pages in both Netscape 4 and IE 4. Some pages display others wont. Looking at the page source it appears the browsers are having a problem with some of the characters. The "_" underscore character seems to display as a y with an umlaut over it instead of an underscore. That might be part of the problem. Do those long file names have spaces or are those underscores? In Win95b they appear as underscores, in my browsers they appear as those funny y's (which I doubt they are supposed to be). Well I've got a grant proposal to get back to so that's all I have time for at the moment. -Greg A. Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > >PKzio and Winzip will test the archive witout problems, but, if I try to > >extract one or more of the files with comma in the name, Winzip hangs, and > >PKZip gives me: > > > That's very unusual. As I noted below, it could be a limitation of the filesystem. > > >PKUNZIP: (W10) Warning! can't create: > thinkpad_701-00D,00F,2SU,2TU,5SU,5TU,7SU,7TU_standard_features.html > > > >I am using PKzip 2.04g and WinZip 6.1 and I am working on a FAT16 drive > >under NT.3.5.1. > > > Maybe it's also a limitiation of FAT? Has anyone tried under NTFS? What about UNIX/Linux? > > >I can create a file with the same name with a DOS command, so I suspect this > >is most likely a problem with the version of PKZip I am using. > > > >Tomorrow I can try to use the Info-Zip version of unzip, and see if it > >behaves any better. > > And if that fails, then we could try talking to PKWARE and the people who make Info-zip. > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 16:14:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA228402452; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:14:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29462; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:09:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29235; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29213; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maslow.cia-g.com (kglp@maslow.cia-g.com [207.66.82.35]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01761; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:09:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bay To: "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760CD -- MWAVE -- Win/NT 4.0 problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980423115819.00a0fe58@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Have you downloaded the latest MWAVE upgrade from IBM? The older 760CD's had very specific MWAVE problems.. Mine works fine on NT 4.0 On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Alexander J. Annala wrote: > Has anyone gotten IBM MWAVE modem to work under Win/NT 4.0 > on the IBM Thinkpad 760CD ? Mine shows carrier detect w/o > any signal present (i.e. even before trying to dial). > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 16:20:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA231182838; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:20:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00448; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:17:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29879; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29866; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ySSQ9-000Wo7C; Thu, 23 Apr 98 13:16 PDT Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ySSPr-0001JTC; Thu, 23 Apr 98 13:16 PDT Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25173; Thu, 23 Apr 98 13:16:35 PDT Received: by ladybug.M2_BLDG (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA05021; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:23:49 -0700 From: czs00@eng.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <199804232023.NAA05021@ladybug.M2_BLDG> Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant In-Reply-To: <353F9BEF.C8819AF5@usu.edu> from Greg Alvandian at "Apr 23, 98 01:52:15 pm" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:23:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I had no problem unzipping the file with Winzip 6.2. I had no problem unzipping the archive with UnZip 5.32 by InfoZip under Solaris 2.5.1. I did have a > problem displaying the pages in both Netscape 4 and IE 4. Some pages > display others wont. Looking at the page source it appears the browsers > are having a problem with some of the characters. The "_" underscore > character seems to display as a y with an umlaut over it instead of an > underscore. That might be part of the problem. Do those long file > names have spaces or are those underscores? In Win95b they appear as > underscores, in my browsers they appear as those funny y's (which I > doubt they are supposed to be). I do not see strange characters viewing the pages using lynx2.7 under Solaris. There are no spaces in the long file names, only underscores. What character set are you using with your browsers? > Well I've got a grant proposal to get back to so that's all I have time > for at the moment. Yes, back to work. I will try Winzip 6.3 later on today. Serenella Ciongoli From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 16:21:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA231282879; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:21:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00470; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:18:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00112; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29932; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20820; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:17:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.182.1]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20812; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:17:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423161123.00a68100@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:11:23 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" , "daveyboy@mindspring.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: thinkpad 350c HD Replacement In-Reply-To: <199804231926.MAA11703@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:26 PM 4/23/98, Paul Khoury wrote: >>3)Where can I find any updates to the original bios? >> >Probably from IBM's confusing web site. > Now, Paul, it's quite navigable if you have a compass and a GPS and a crystal ball! Where's your sense of adventure?? Try here, but do it quick before they pack up and move again: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support?page=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+350;doctype=Down loadable+files#Downloadable files Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 23 18:23:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA259330210; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:23:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08979; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:20:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08709; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08690; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibjsf1 (ppp-206-170-32-206.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.206]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA04649; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <003e01bd6f06$69cef660$ce20aace@ibjsf1> From: "Voltaire Almendrala" To: Cc: Subject: Re: TP 360 CSE, number of colors and RAM Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:23:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Garry, To run 640x480@256 colors on your TP, you need to load the WD VESA driver prior to booting into Win95. This should in the video driver directory of your TP or you can d/l it >from IBM's web site. Hope this helps. - VA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 00:59:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026883958; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:59:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25656; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:49:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25215; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25153; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts02.loop.net (p17.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.92]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA25020; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804240448.VAA25020@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Greg Alvandian" , "slppj@cc.usu.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 21:48:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:52:15 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: Opps, I must have hit send too quick. >I had no problem unzipping the file with Winzip 6.2. I did have a >problem displaying the pages in both Netscape 4 and IE 4. Some pages >display others wont. Looking at the page source it appears the browsers >are having a problem with some of the characters. The "_" underscore >character seems to display as a y with an umlaut over it instead of an >underscore. That might be part of the problem. This happens to me sometimes, but not with my pages. I use Netscape for OS/2 2.02 (though it's more like 3.0, just IBM doesn't want to have Netscape rename it). Do those long file >names have spaces or are those underscores? They are indeed underscores. In Win95b they appear as >underscores, in my browsers they appear as those funny y's (which I >doubt they are supposed to be). >Well I've got a grant proposal to get back to so that's all I have time >for at the moment. Thanks Greg and everyone else for helping me out on this. :) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 01:11:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029104661; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:11:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26332; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:03:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26123; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26022; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts02.loop.net (p17.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.92]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA26549 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804240500.WAA26549@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 22:00:57 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New Home & Away? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I complained to IBM for not sending me a replacement Home & Away last weekend. Apparently they sent a replacement to my dad's house, but I had no clue about it. He knows nothing about computers, but he read the box, and it said "Home & Away 28.8 modem". Does anyone know if this is a more recent H&A, or IBM phased out the 14.4's? I'll confirm it this Saturday when I go to pick it up. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 02:37:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA046599846; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:37:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29641; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:35:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29523; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.ubh.com (ubh.com [206.155.245.194]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29510; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool3-96.ftsm.ipa.net by firewall.ubh.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id 2K5RZV3G; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:30:58 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Greg Alvandian" , , Subject: RE: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:31:01 -0500 Message-Id: <001701bd6f4a$8d2c84d0$0401a8c0@mycroft> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2163.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199804240448.VAA25020@stevie.loop.com> Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Paul! Why don't you just finesse the problem? Create a self-extracting form of the ZIP file. Every form of ZIP archive builder I've heard of has that capability. Then your projected users don't have to scrabble around to find the precise version of unzipping program needed. Of course, that doesn't address the filename problem. My approach to that would be to just brute force rename things to the 8.3 format if necessary and not worry about it. If it bothers your conscience to do that, add a text file with the new filenames paired with the original file names and let the user deal with it as they see fit. This week long agonizing over zipping up a few files is ridiculous. Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robtking@prioritysolutions.com http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Friday, 24 April 1998 12:49 AM > To: Greg Alvandian; slppj@cc.usu.edu; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant > > > On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:52:15 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: > > Opps, I must have hit send too quick. > > >I had no problem unzipping the file with Winzip 6.2. I did have a > >problem displaying the pages in both Netscape 4 and IE 4. Some pages > >display others wont. Looking at the page source it appears the browsers > >are having a problem with some of the characters. The "_" underscore > >character seems to display as a y with an umlaut over it instead of an > >underscore. That might be part of the problem. > > This happens to me sometimes, but not with my pages. I use > Netscape for OS/2 > 2.02 (though it's more like 3.0, just IBM doesn't want to have > Netscape rename it). > > Do those long file > >names have spaces or are those underscores? > > They are indeed underscores. > > In Win95b they appear as > >underscores, in my browsers they appear as those funny y's (which I > >doubt they are supposed to be). > >Well I've got a grant proposal to get back to so that's all I have time > >for at the moment. > > Thanks Greg and everyone else for helping me out on this. :) > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 02:52:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA048760727; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:52:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00564; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:51:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00479; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (smtp2.teleport.com [192.108.254.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00467; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03592; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA29524; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: robtking@prioritysolutions.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant In-Reply-To: <001701bd6f4a$8d2c84d0$0401a8c0@mycroft> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert, On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Robert W. King wrote: > Why don't you just finesse the problem? Create a self-extracting form of the > ZIP file. Every form of ZIP archive builder I've heard of has that > capability. If Paul did that with PKzip 2.5 OS/2 it would only work on OS/2 machines. > Then your projected users don't have to scrabble around to find > the precise version of unzipping program needed. Nope just the right OS Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 03:28:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA054072908; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:28:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02599; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:27:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02497; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02474; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidrob (user-38ld11g.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.48]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA01121 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35403E9C.2970@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:26:20 -0400 From: "David W. Robinson" Reply-To: daveyboy@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Opening The 350c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi All :-) I'm trying to figure out how to open my Thinkpad 350c to clean it out and I can't figure where to start! Can anyone please help me? Thank you very much, Clueless in Brooklyn From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 03:29:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA054242994; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:29:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02936; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:28:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02702; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02621; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates ([206.96.182.72]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA02580 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:28:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199804240728.CAA02580@sh1.ro.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 02:18:18 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Fuel crashes X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm running OS/2 v4, fixpack 6, on a ThinkPad 765D. When I run the fuel program with the CPU stuck as slow as it can go, the CPU never goes below 10% when idle (normally 8% is max) and spikes to over 40% when idle. Worse yet, when I engage a power saving mode with it running, the system often crashes. If it doesn't crash entering the power saving mode, it has a chance to crash when coming out of it. Has anyone else seen this problem? First ThinkPad Configuration starts crashing the system, now fuel. I don't need this . . . -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://xzalpha.ml.org/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup UAH-SEDS http://uah.seds.org/ Future author of: "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 04:47:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA064467637; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:47:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06192; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:45:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06006; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05993; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ySe6x-000WqSC; Fri, 24 Apr 98 01:45 PDT Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ySe6g-0001L0C; Fri, 24 Apr 98 01:45 PDT Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08314; Fri, 24 Apr 98 01:45:34 PDT Received: by ladybug.M2_BLDG (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA05564; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:52:49 -0700 From: czs00@eng.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <199804240852.BAA05564@ladybug.M2_BLDG> Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant In-Reply-To: <199804240459.VAA26303@stevie.loop.com> from Paul Khoury at "Apr 23, 98 09:59:16 pm" To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul, > >> I had no problem unzipping the file with Winzip 6.2. > > > >I had no problem unzipping the archive with UnZip 5.32 by InfoZip under > >Solaris 2.5.1. I had no problem unzippping the archive with WinZip 6.3 under NT.3.5.1, nor using Info-Zip Unzip 5.32 for Win95/NT, nor Info-Zip Wiz401 (their equivalent of WinZip). So, in conclusion, the original problem (not being able to extract files >from the archive) seems to be originated by using pkunzip or a version of WInZip prior to Winzip 6.2. > >I do not see strange characters viewing the pages using lynx2.7 under > >Solaris. There are no spaces in the long file names, only underscores. > > Which is what is supposed to be there. I didn't put in spaces, because > that would really create problems, and the commas were instead of forward > slashes, since they aren't allowed. This is a different problem, and a neat one at that. If you use a hex editor to have a look at the funny characters, they turn out to be not underscores, but x'ff'. I found such characters, for example, in thinkpad_340.html. Obviously, Netscape and IE4.0 don't know how to display x'ff'. :-} Paul, could you please check your original files for x'ff'? Once we know, if they were there originally, we can figure out how to proceed. Serenella Ciongoli From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 09:53:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA096166012; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:53:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23243; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:49:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22948; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22924; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA23035; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA25304; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: letoured@sover.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant In-Reply-To: <199804241302.JAA21704@pike.sover.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The switch deals with the file format. If you build an .exe file using the OS/2 version you get an OS/2 program. ========================================================================= Background: Someone said: > >> Why don't you just finesse the problem? Create a self-extracting > >> form of the ZIP file. Every form of ZIP archive > >> builder I've heard of has that capability. Patrick West responded: > >If Paul did that with PKzip 2.5 OS/2 it would only work on OS/2 machines. to which ,on Fri, 24 Apr 1998, letoured@sover.net replied: > There is a switch in PKzip to keep the file compatible with toher > versions. The OS has nothing to do with it. ============================================================================== Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 12:35:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA125505737; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:35:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04774; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:32:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04368; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from abaco.coastalnet.com (abaco.coastalnet.com [204.183.40.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04319; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm760cd (pm-mh4-138.coastalnet.com [205.245.124.138]) by abaco.coastalnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03775 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980424113046.007dc540@abaco.coastalnet.com> X-Sender: cn2223@abaco.coastalnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:30:46 +0100 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Capt. Dick Collins" Subject: Trade or buy TP memory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu We have a 16 meg TP760E,and after, 144 pin IBM oem 92G7341; like to trade for 16 meg TP760C 88 pin IBM oem 92G7316 or the equivalent to this unit to use with a TP 760cd. Please e-mail or call on inn at 1-800-659-7111 with info or contact for parts purchase Thanks Capt Dick see http://www.beaufort-nc.com/captainsquarters From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 13:48:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA136540081; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:48:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09004; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:40:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08810; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.texas.net (mail3.texas.net [207.207.0.141]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08770; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ThinkPad.texas.net (tcnet02-48.sat.texas.net [209.99.49.111]) by mail3.texas.net (8.8.8/2.4) with ESMTP id MAA16936 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:39:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804241739.MAA16936@mail3.texas.net> From: "Michael Kutchins" To: "Thinkpad News-group" Subject: 560X Enhanced Port Replicator & floppy Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:39:31 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu After working just fine for weeks, the floppy drive on my 560X, while connected to the enhanced port replicator, suddenly stopped working. Connected directly to the TP, outside of the port replicator, it works perfectly. Since I had just upgraded my backup program software (Iomega) I suspected a conflict. I was really surprised when IBM support said the problem was a known issue and they'd send out another floppy. Has anyone else out there had a similar experience or would care to offer an explanation as to why it just started? Thanks, Mike Kutchins From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 15:04:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA150384664; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:04:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14694; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:00:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14429; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14253; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@localhost) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA01907; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804241857.LAA01907@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Greg Alvandian" , "Robert W. King" , "robtking@prioritysolutions.com" , "slppj@cc.usu.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 06:50:57 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:31:01 -0500, Robert W. King wrote: >Hi Paul! > >Why don't you just finesse the problem? Create a self-extracting form of the >ZIP file. Every form of ZIP archive builder I've heard of has that >capability. Then your projected users don't have to scrabble around to find >the precise version of unzipping program needed. Of course, that doesn't >address the filename problem. My approach to that would be to just brute >force rename things to the 8.3 format if necessary and not worry about it. >If it bothers your conscience to do that, add a text file with the new >filenames paired with the original file names and let the user deal with it >as they see fit. This week long agonizing over zipping up a few files is >ridiculous. The idea is not as easy as it sounds. First, I'd have to change ALL the links, rename ALL the files, and I don't have a single Win95 or NT machine to create a self-extracting zip file, and I think people would get frustrated if all I gave them was an OS/2 executable. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 17:41:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA173004074; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:41:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23742; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:35:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23415; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.netsoft.ro (root@teddy.netsoft.ro [193.226.123.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23376; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cdusa (ttyC5.netsoft.ro [193.226.115.230]) by teddy.netsoft.ro (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17105 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:35:05 +0300 Message-Id: <199804242135.AAA17105@teddy.netsoft.ro> From: "Cristian DUSA" To: Subject: [TP 760CD] 56K Update Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:35:31 +0300 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1154 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I s there an update for MWave on the TP 760 line that supports 56K X2 protocol? Thank you Cristian DUSA cdusa@netsoft.ro From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 18:03:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA175905399; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:03:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25173; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:59:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24875; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24858; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:58:59 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Cristian DUSA" , Subject: Re: [TP 760CD] 56K Update Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:02:12 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd6fcc$a252f880$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Nope ... The 770 series in using a Newer .bigger ..better M-wave DSP so it can do the 56K. I looks Very unlikely that the 760 will ever do 56K in any flavour. http://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/ is a very good source for M-wave info. ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Cristian DUSA To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 3:36 PM Subject: [TP 760CD] 56K Update >Hello, > >I s there an update for MWave on the TP 760 line that supports 56K X2 >protocol? > >Thank you > >Cristian DUSA >cdusa@netsoft.ro From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 19:08:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA184529295; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:08:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01360; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:06:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01208; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (phr@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01057; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id QAA09996 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199804242305.QAA09996@netcom11.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IRDA under Linux Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm fairly certain that IRDA is just a error detection/ correction protocol. You don't need it if the software you're using already has error detection/correction (e.g. Laplink, Zmodem if you're transferring files, or TCP/IP if you're running SLIP over your IR :-). Linux will just treat the IR connection as a standard null-modem connection, no special drivers needed. IRDA is an error detection/correction protocol in the same sense that TCP/IP is. It's actually a pretty complicated piece of software, that does device addressing, service and speed negotiation, and other hairy crap (too hairy, IMHO). I'll spare you the gory details but an IrDA device is kind of like a miniature web server that maintains a database of available services, etc. For more info, see the Linux software or www.irda.org. Most IRDA-compliant devices seem to respond to raw serial input just fine. I've printed raw text on my HP LJ 6MP via the IR port without problems before. Obviously for something large like mutli-megabyte postsript files, the error correction is useful. I don't know what the error rate is on these things so I can't say *how* useful though. This is very interesting, that the 6MP is capable of doing that. It's a feature (possibly undocumented) totally separate from the 6MP's IRDA printing function. Printing to an IRDA printer takes quite a lot of protocol if you do everything per the IRDA IrLAP/IrLMP spec. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Apr 24 22:43:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA216172220; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:43:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07978; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:33:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07679; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07657; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p15.hwts12.loop.net (p15.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.150]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA19022; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804250219.TAA19022@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Cristian DUSA" , "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 19:18:52 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP 760CD] 56K Update Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:02:12 -0700, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: >Nope ... >The 770 series in using a Newer .bigger ..better M-wave DSP >so it can do the 56K. I looks Very unlikely that the 760 will ever do 56K in >any flavour. > Isn't v.90 the standard now? I don't know why they couldn't have just used K56Flex or X2. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 25 02:03:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA248004226; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:03:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14238; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:01:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13990; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (phr@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13976; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id XAA08365 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199804250601.XAA08365@netcom11.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770E info and 128 meg 770 ram cards Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu FYI, www.thinkpads.com has some info on the new 770E and 600 model Thinkpads (see "News of the next generation") and also has Apricorn (Thinkpad proven) 128 meg ram cards for the 770 for sale, at $875 each (ouch!). That's well over 3x the cost of a 64 meg card, but if some of you out there are determined to max out your 770's, two of those will do it. I hope to get a 770 in the not too distant future so I might be in the market for a 64 meg card if anyone here goes the 128 meg route. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 25 04:56:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA264104608; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:56:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20210; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:54:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19989; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19977; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38ld082.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.129.2]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA03325 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3541A49B.51AC@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:53:47 -0400 From: "David W. Robinson" Reply-To: daveyboy@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: West Coast Computer Parts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi All :-) Sorry to bother u, but someone emailed the group about a company called West Coast Computer Parts that sold used laptop hard drives but I lost the address!!! Can someone please help nme out with the url? Thanks!!! Clueless in Brooklyn From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 25 13:14:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA018404456; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:14:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06344; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:11:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06174; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (phr@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01057; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id QAA09996 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199804242305.QAA09996@netcom11.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IRDA under Linux Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm fairly certain that IRDA is just a error detection/ correction protocol. You don't need it if the software you're using already has error detection/correction (e.g. Laplink, Zmodem if you're transferring files, or TCP/IP if you're running SLIP over your IR :-). Linux will just treat the IR connection as a standard null-modem connection, no special drivers needed. IRDA is an error detection/correction protocol in the same sense that TCP/IP is. It's actually a pretty complicated piece of software, that does device addressing, service and speed negotiation, and other hairy crap (too hairy, IMHO). I'll spare you the gory details but an IrDA device is kind of like a miniature web server that maintains a database of available services, etc. For more info, see the Linux software or www.irda.org. Most IRDA-compliant devices seem to respond to raw serial input just fine. I've printed raw text on my HP LJ 6MP via the IR port without problems before. Obviously for something large like mutli-megabyte postsript files, the error correction is useful. I don't know what the error rate is on these things so I can't say *how* useful though. This is very interesting, that the 6MP is capable of doing that. It's a feature (possibly undocumented) totally separate from the 6MP's IRDA printing function. Printing to an IRDA printer takes quite a lot of protocol if you do everything per the IRDA IrLAP/IrLMP spec. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 25 16:15:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA045845318; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:15:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11170; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:10:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10904; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10892; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38ld1ma.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.202]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17758 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354242CD.3E2B@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:08:45 -0400 From: "David W. Robinson" Reply-To: daveyboy@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 350c Bios Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi All :-) First things first: I'd like to thank you all for the marvelous support you've given me over the last few days for my little 'puter here. You guys are great!!! Now, what I hve been having trouble with lately is locating a BIOS update for my thinkpad 350c; someone sent me a link but it was dead. Can someone please direct me to it? Thanks and have a wonderful weekend!!! Clueless In Brooklyn, Davey From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Apr 25 20:28:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA070780515; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:28:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16940; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:23:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16611; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16599; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (user-38h1u3a.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.248.106]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA30186; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980425201718.00a4e210@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:17:18 -0400 To: daveyboy@mindspring.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Thinkpad 350c Bios Update In-Reply-To: <354242CD.3E2B@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:08 PM 4/25/98 -0400, David W. Robinson wrote: >Now, what I hve been having trouble with lately is locating a BIOS >update for my thinkpad 350c; someone sent me a link but it was dead. > That would be me, and the link so long that it probably wrapped. I just went to the site, and it's active. Here it is again: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support?page=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+350;doctype=Down loadable+files#Downloadable files You'll probably have to cut and paste it to get it all. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 01:33:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA106478829; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:33:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07949; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:04:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07455; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wclmail.timeplex.com (wclmail.timeplex.com [134.196.240.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07428; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from timeplex.com ([134.196.2.172]) by wclmail.timeplex.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA29E1 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:01:45 -0400 Message-Id: <353FBA78.96337684@timeplex.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:02:32 -0400 From: "Eddie Felberbaum" Organization: TimePlex X-Sender: "Eddie Felberbaum" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WCL (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 01:35:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA106568904; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:35:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27341; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:33:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26897; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26876; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24041 invoked by uid 66); 24 Apr 1998 22:29:47 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 21:51 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > to take it with me. As it is, it's hard enough taking both my 701 and SPARCbook with me > EVERYWHERE (along with school books, printer, AC adapters, etc.), and I recently > bought another ThinkPad as well. Time to invent portable or pocket trucks. Palm truck, so to say. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 02:06:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA111770806; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:06:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27339; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:33:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26903; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26875; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24051 invoked by uid 66); 24 Apr 1998 22:29:48 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 21:58 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: TP/770 and Linux - What will I get To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu nim@dlr.dk wrote: > > I'm currently running Win95(for the family), WinNT(for the money) & Warp > 4(for the fun) on my TP/770 and now speculating about Linux. But I'm a Warp 4 for the fun? Didn't know this was possible. All the folks around me using Warp are shaking heads most of the time. Well if you do this fast enough you spare the cocaine maybe. > little bit worried about the support for my configuration, so is there > anyone who have some experience whit this configuration : > > TP/770 233Mhz, 64 Mb Nice! > PCcard Adaptec SCSI APA1460? Supported. > CS4237B / SRS 3D audio Yup. As long as you don't have the MWave part but reportedly this works too if you boot DOS first, switch the MWave to SB compatibility mode and loadlin your most favourite Linux kernel. As for the rest: *shrug* Don't forget your 9397 Trident chip which indeed is supported by XFree86 3.3.2 and onwards (use XF86_SVGA). > I don't now anything about Linux!!, but some says it's fun??. Rumours have it some folks on this planet are doing real work with it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 07:02:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA140928570; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 07:02:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21122; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:53:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20851; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20838; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA09501; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 03:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA05157; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 03:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 03:53:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: FLASH CARDS In-Reply-To: <199804200448.VAA24425@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It works fine now. I was really stupid and forgot that when I installed the pcmcia drivers I only installed the one for my modem. > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT), Patrick West wrote: > >I picked up a Simple Tech 8 meg flash Card STI-ATAFL/8 > >Win95 sees it as a hard drive, reads and writes to it fine. > >Warp 3.0 sees in with the pnp pcmcia program, IDs it as a hard drive and > >evens tells me the name and number of the card. But it reports it as not > >ready. What do I need to do to enable it under warp 3.0? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 10:08:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA156729679; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:07:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24688; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:04:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24431; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24419; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corixia.demon.co.uk ([158.152.22.163]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2013315; 26 Apr 98 14:01 GMT From: Richard Ashton To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 15:01:38 Reply-To: Richard Ashton Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Introduction Message-Id: <893599294.2013315.0@corixia.demon.co.uk> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu } Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, } how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), } and what operating system(s) you are using. You are sure ? OK Hi, Thinkpad 380ED [three spindles inside, 5.1Gb Hard Disk, 20x CDROM, Floppy Drive], 80Mb RAM, 166MMX. PCMCIA 3COM 365D Etherlink III + 36,000 V34 modem IBM Ethernet card (for DatagLANce) IBM Turbo 16/4 Token Ring PC card IBM Token Ring Auto 16/4 CC (Reflashed to promiscuous mode by friendly IBM engineer for DatagLANce) Grey Cell Systems 33,600 FAX/GSM modem HST Saphir II ISDN Card NewMedia BusToaster SCSI card [connects to external box borrowed from a tower machine contains 6x Plextor CDROM, Ricoh MP6200S CD Writer, HP C1533A 4mm DDS2 DAT] OS/2 Boot Manager C: 103Mb FAT PCDOS 7.0, Windows 3.11 and Boots to NT partitions C: 103Mb FAT PCDOS 7.0, Windows 3.11 WfWG + TCP/IP and Boots to Windows 95 D: 1010Mb FAT Program drive Office 97, Lotus Smartsuite, Domino 4.6, plus ... E: 509MB FAT Temporary Drive Space [ for "collectables" ] F: 509Mb FAT Windows 95 OSR2 G: 502Mb NTFS Windows NT 4.0 Workstation Fixpack 3 H: 553Mb HPFS Warp v4 Fixpack 5 , CSD8421, CSD8402. I: 694Mb NTFS Window NT Server 4.0 PDC Fixpack 3 J: 332Mb HPFS DatagLANce T/R + Ethernet 1.31h on Warp V4 K: 546Mb HPFS386 Warp Server 4.0 Fixpak 32, CSD8421, CSD8267, L: CDROM Z: Lost some Disk space somewhere :(( All cards work in all operating systems EXCEPT Windows NT will not see/use HST ISDN card inspite of drivers provided it works fine in 95 and OS/2. Windows NT will not see the devices attached to the BusToaster SCSI card but 95 and OS/2 are fine. NT has both Cardworks 2.x supplied by IBM, and V4.x at$75 {R} From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 11:34:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA170214860; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:34:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27504; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:31:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27266; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27253; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38ld13s.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.124]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13214 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354352E9.3A42@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:29:45 -0400 From: "David W. Robinson" Reply-To: daveyboy@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Fwd: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: cs.ukt.edu: host not found)] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Return-Path: <> Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by camel5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24611 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with internal id LAA07662; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199804261515.LAA07662@dewdrop2.mindspring.com> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="LAA07662.893603743/dewdrop2.mindspring.com" Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: cs.ukt.edu: host not found) Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --LAA07662.893603743/dewdrop2.mindspring.com The original message was received at Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) >from user-38ld13s.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.124] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: cs.ukt.edu: host not found) --LAA07662.893603743/dewdrop2.mindspring.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; dewdrop2.mindspring.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; user-38ld13s.dialup.mindspring.com Arrival-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; thinkpad@cs.ukt.edu Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; cs.ukt.edu Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:15:43 -0400 (EDT) --LAA07662.893603743/dewdrop2.mindspring.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from default (user-38ld13s.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.124]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11409 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35434F30.2968@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:14:06 -0400 From: "David W. Robinson" Reply-To: daveyboy@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.ukt.edu Subject: 350c Bios Flash Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All :-) Sorry to bother u, but it seems that when I try to flash my BIOS I get a message instructing me to 'Press the write-protect' button on the back of the machine'. Course, with my luck there IS NO WRITE PROTECT BUTTON on the back the mchine and, my BIOS remains siggghhhhhh.........unflashed. Please Help!!! Clueless In Brooklyn --LAA07662.893603743/dewdrop2.mindspring.com-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 11:39:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA170465151; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:39:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28088; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:37:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27923; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27906; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38ld13s.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.124]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22330 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3543544F.3783@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:35:43 -0400 From: "David W. Robinson" Reply-To: daveyboy@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 350c BIOS Flash problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi All :-) Sorry to bother you but I've run into a problem flashing my BIOS: The flash proggie is instructing me to press the 'write protect button' ojn the back of the machine; GADZOOKS!!! There is no 'write protect button' on the back of the machine; please help!!! Not-So-Flashy in Brooklyn From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 12:05:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA173156723; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:05:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29476; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:03:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29356; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29344; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 48.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.48]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA5092; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:03:12 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: daveyboy@mindspring.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 350c BIOS Flash problems Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:02:50 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <35495a13.35298012@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3543544F.3783@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3543544F.3783@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:35:43 -0400, you wrote: >Sorry to bother you but I've run into a problem flashing my BIOS: The >flash proggie is instructing me to press the 'write protect button' ojn >the back of the machine; GADZOOKS!!! There is no 'write protect >button' on the back of the machine; please help!!! I don't have a 350C, but I had a 355 once and recall that this "button" is actually a small hole in the back of the machine with what looks like a plain metal plate beneath - this is your reset button, and you'll find a pen tip fits in almost perfectly. That's what it's prompting you to do. The hole should be near your other ports (LPT, Serial, VGA, etc). HTH, epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 13:04:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA180120285; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:04:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01704; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:56:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01344; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01332; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.40] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 26 Apr 98 11:56:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:56:05 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I bought a 755CE for my sister. It came with Win95 installed on an 810 MB single partition FAT32 drive. I wanted to give her a little more drive space, so I installed a 1.3 GB Toshiba drive with the help of a lot of people on this list. Well, now I can't install Win95 on it. I get to the welcome screen and the machine locks up tight. Here is what I have tried so far: Ran the BIOS update program first; says no update required. Booted from the Win95 TP setup disk contained in WIN95SET.EXE from the IBM ftp site. It tells me that I am ready to install Win95. Booted with Colorado Backup Win95 recovery disks and running the rescue program. Program returns the error that the tape has no data, even though I verified the backup when I created it. The tape is on a Tandberg 4220 that is attached via an Adaptec APA-1460. All appropriate PCMCIA lines and ASPI2DOS.SYS are loaded in CONFIG.SYS. Not much of a disaster recovery if you ask me. Booted with a modified CBW95 disk that does not automatically start RESCUE.COM and ran SETUP.EXE from the IBM SCSI CD attached to the Adaptec PC card (froze). Booted with a copy of the modified CBW95 disk that has been re-sysed with MS-DOS 6.2 and ran SETUP from the CD (froze). XCOPIED the CD to the hard drive and ran SETUP from a floppy boot with no CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT (froze). BTW, just which directories are required for installation? I'm about to try installing on a partitioned disk (500 MB C:, remainder as D:). If anyone has any tricks, I would appreciate knowing about them. Thanks. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/26/98, 11:56:02 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 13:13:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA181680799; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:13:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02407; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:10:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02306; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02294; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.57] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 26 Apr 98 12:10:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:10:10 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Mark O. Davis" Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:56:05 CST Update: system freezes with disk partitioned. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/26/98, 12:10:08 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 13:32:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA184131952; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:32:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03479; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:30:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03272; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03252; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.135.4]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14247; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:29:32 +0000 Message-Id: <35436E59.1373@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:26:49 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mdavis1@airmail.net Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Are you trying to install OSR2? Mark O. Davis wrote: > > I bought a 755CE for my sister. It came with Win95 installed on an 810 MB > single partition FAT32 drive. I wanted to give her a little more drive space, > so I installed a 1.3 GB Toshiba drive with the help of a lot of people on this > list. Well, now I can't install Win95 on it. I get to the welcome screen and > the machine locks up tight. Here is what I have tried so far: > > Ran the BIOS update program first; says no update required. > > Booted from the Win95 TP setup disk contained in WIN95SET.EXE from the IBM ftp > site. It tells me that I am ready to install Win95. > > Booted with Colorado Backup Win95 recovery disks and running the rescue > program. Program returns the error that the tape has no data, even though I > verified the backup when I created it. The tape is on a Tandberg 4220 that is > attached via an Adaptec APA-1460. All appropriate PCMCIA lines and > ASPI2DOS.SYS are loaded in CONFIG.SYS. Not much of a disaster recovery if you > ask me. > > Booted with a modified CBW95 disk that does not automatically start > RESCUE.COM and ran SETUP.EXE from the IBM SCSI CD attached to the Adaptec > PC card (froze). > > Booted with a copy of the modified CBW95 disk that has been re-sysed with > MS-DOS 6.2 and ran SETUP from the CD (froze). > > XCOPIED the CD to the hard drive and ran SETUP from a floppy boot with no > CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT (froze). BTW, just which directories are > required for installation? > > I'm about to try installing on a partitioned disk (500 MB C:, remainder as > D:). If anyone has any tricks, I would appreciate knowing about them. Thanks. > > Mark in San Angelo > mdavis1@airmail.net > 04/26/98, 11:56:02 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 13:36:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA184372195; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:36:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04034; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:34:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03864; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03850; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.57] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 26 Apr 98 12:34:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:34:51 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Bruce Markowtz Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:26:49 -0400 > Are you trying to install OSR2? Yes, that's what was installed on the 810 MB drive. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/26/98, 12:34:49 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 13:40:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA185582448; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:40:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04713; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:39:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04467; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04454; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.135.4]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA1943; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:38:32 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:35:47 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980426173828.AAA1943@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It won't install over any existing OS unless you know the hack. ---------- > From: Mark O. Davis > To: Thinkpad List > Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 2:34 PM > > ** Reply to note from Bruce Markowtz Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:26:49 -0400 > > > > Are you trying to install OSR2? > > Yes, that's what was installed on the 810 MB drive. > > Mark in San Angelo > mdavis1@airmail.net > 04/26/98, 12:34:49 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 13:53:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA187693192; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:53:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05445; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:51:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05251; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05237; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.13] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 26 Apr 98 12:51:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: "Thinkpad List" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:51:19 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Bruce Markowitz" Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:35:47 -0400 > It won't install over any existing OS unless you know the hack. There is no OS installed on the hard disk; I'm booting from floppies. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/26/98, 12:51:16 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 16:19:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA212511950; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:19:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09198; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:08:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08804; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08789; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user-38ld07n.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld07n.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.128.247]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04108 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980426160827.454fb054@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: olderman@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bob Bashford Subject: Orpahned OS2 file ??? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I removed OS2 from my Thinkpad 701CS (3.11) about a year ago (wasn't too pleased by the number of files and directories the IBM uninstall left behind) ... I just noticed another file ... "ea_data.sf" in the C:\ directory with attributes "rhsa" ... over seven megabytes ... I presume this has something to do with the extended attributes feature ... can Isafely erase it? Or is it connected to other files in some invisible way? I'd appreciate any advice ... . Regards, Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 16:34:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214332871; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:34:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10121; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:30:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09956; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (Mail1.Toronto.iSTAR.net [209.89.75.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09943; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts72-06.tor.istar.ca (pent300) [204.191.146.213] by mail1.toronto.istar.net with smtp (Exim 1.80 #5) id 0yTY89-0004rO-00; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:34:34 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980426203258.00af2ccc@mail.inforamp.net> X-Sender: valliant@mail.inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:32:58 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, mdavis1@airmail.net From: Hugh Valliant Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Mark, Another question....does it boot up in SAFE mode??? Back to the original question.... Assuming the ThinkPad runs properly from the smaller drive. The easiest way is to install the 2nd drive (make it bootable first) in the 2nd bay (where the floppy is) and xcopy32 the contents across (you may need an adapter for this...can't remember). I've done many of these hard drive upgrades.... Several months ago I posted a couple of messages on this topic, under various conditions, so they should be in the archives. If not, let me know and I'll try to dig them up. t2ul8tr Hugh At 11:56 AM 4/26/1998 CST, you wrote: >I bought a 755CE for my sister. It came with Win95 installed on an 810 MB >single partition FAT32 drive. I wanted to give her a little more drive space, >so I installed a 1.3 GB Toshiba drive with the help of a lot of people on this >list. Well, now I can't install Win95 on it. I get to the welcome screen and >the machine locks up tight. Here is what I have tried so far: > >Ran the BIOS update program first; says no update required. > >Booted from the Win95 TP setup disk contained in WIN95SET.EXE from the IBM ftp >site. It tells me that I am ready to install Win95. > >Booted with Colorado Backup Win95 recovery disks and running the rescue >program. Program returns the error that the tape has no data, even though I >verified the backup when I created it. The tape is on a Tandberg 4220 that is >attached via an Adaptec APA-1460. All appropriate PCMCIA lines and >ASPI2DOS.SYS are loaded in CONFIG.SYS. Not much of a disaster recovery if you >ask me. > >Booted with a modified CBW95 disk that does not automatically start >RESCUE.COM and ran SETUP.EXE from the IBM SCSI CD attached to the Adaptec >PC card (froze). > >Booted with a copy of the modified CBW95 disk that has been re-sysed with >MS-DOS 6.2 and ran SETUP from the CD (froze). > >XCOPIED the CD to the hard drive and ran SETUP from a floppy boot with no >CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT (froze). BTW, just which directories are >required for installation? > >I'm about to try installing on a partitioned disk (500 MB C:, remainder as >D:). If anyone has any tricks, I would appreciate knowing about them. Thanks. > >Mark in San Angelo >mdavis1@airmail.net >04/26/98, 11:56:02 > > > > \\\\!//// \\ _ _ // ( @ @ ) ---------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------- MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Helping you access and travel the Information Highway Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 E-mail valliant@micomtech.com http://www.mi-comtech.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 16:48:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA216123718; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:48:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11295; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:47:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11162; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11132; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.47] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 26 Apr 98 15:46:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:46:37 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Orpahned OS2 file ??? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Bob Bashford Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT) > I removed OS2 from my Thinkpad 701CS (3.11) about a year > ago (wasn't too pleased by the number of files and directories the IBM > uninstall left behind) ... I just noticed another file ... "ea_data.sf" in > the C:\ directory with attributes "rhsa" ... over seven megabytes ... I > presume this has something to do with the extended attributes feature ... > can Isafely erase it? Or is it connected to other files in some invisible > way? I'd appreciate any advice ... The actual name is EA DATA. SF, with embedded spaces. You are correct, it is where OS/2 keeps extended attributes on FAT drives. To delete it, execute the following commands in the root directory of the drive, assuming you don't have any other files in the root directory that have 3-letter extensions ending in SF: ATTRIB -S -H -R *.?SF DEL *.?SF Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/26/98, 15:46:35 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 16:49:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA216323798; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:49:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10786; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:43:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10666; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10654; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.47] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 26 Apr 98 15:43:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:43:08 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Hugh Valliant Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:32:58 -0400 > Another question....does it boot up in SAFE mode??? No, I can't get it to install at all. > The easiest way is to install the 2nd drive (make it bootable first) in the > 2nd bay (where the floppy is) and xcopy32 the contents across (you may need > an adapter for this...can't remember). I don't have a second hard disk caddy. > Several months ago I posted a couple of messages on this topic, under > various conditions, so they should be in the archives. Where do I find the archives? Thanks. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/26/98, 15:43:06 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 17:54:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA225837681; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:54:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14323; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:50:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13691; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13669; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (224.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.224]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA27331; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3543AD62.6DE22DC2@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:55:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Markowitz Cc: mdavis1@airmail.net, Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE References: <19980426173828.AAA1943@760> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Regards, Bill Morrow Bruce Markowitz wrote: > It won't install over any existing OS unless you know the hack. > > ---------- > > From: Mark O. Davis > > To: Thinkpad List > > Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE > > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 2:34 PM > > > > ** Reply to note from Bruce Markowtz Sun, 26 > Apr 1998 13:26:49 -0400 > > > > > > > Are you trying to install OSR2? > > > > Yes, that's what was installed on the 810 MB drive. > > > > Mark in San Angelo > > mdavis1@airmail.net > > 04/26/98, 12:34:49 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 17:54:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA226017693; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:54:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14319; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:50:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13652; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13640; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (224.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.224]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA27227; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3543AD49.5384C41@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:55:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Markowitz Cc: mdavis1@airmail.net, Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE References: <19980426173828.AAA1943@760> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bruce... so tell him that the hack can be found on the internet AND at thinkpads.com Bruce Markowitz wrote: > It won't install over any existing OS unless you know the hack. > > ---------- > > From: Mark O. Davis > > To: Thinkpad List > > Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE > > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 2:34 PM > > > > ** Reply to note from Bruce Markowtz Sun, 26 > Apr 1998 13:26:49 -0400 > > > > > > > Are you trying to install OSR2? > > > > Yes, that's what was installed on the 810 MB drive. > > > > Mark in San Angelo > > mdavis1@airmail.net > > 04/26/98, 12:34:49 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 18:03:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA228128191; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:03:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14949; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:01:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14849; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14833; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (224.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.224]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA29174; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3543AFDA.1B5D0EF6@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:06:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mdavis1@airmail.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mark.. the 755 does not officially support a 2nd HDD in the 'other' bay.. though some have said it will work, not well, but will work, i doubt i would want to try it.. Mark O. Davis wrote: > ** Reply to note from Hugh Valliant Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:32:58 -0400 > > > Another question....does it boot up in SAFE mode??? > > No, I can't get it to install at all. > > > The easiest way is to install the 2nd drive (make it bootable first) in the > > 2nd bay (where the floppy is) and xcopy32 the contents across (you may need > > an adapter for this...can't remember). > > I don't have a second hard disk caddy. > > > Several months ago I posted a couple of messages on this topic, under > > various conditions, so they should be in the archives. > > Where do I find the archives? Thanks. > > Mark in San Angelo > mdavis1@airmail.net > 04/26/98, 15:43:06 -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 18:58:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA235661500; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:58:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17502; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:52:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16735; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16723; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.198]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA9908; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:52:12 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: , Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:29 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980426225210.AAA9908@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mark, If I recall, the problem is the mouse. You need to start the setup program for W95 and tell it "no mouse". In fact, turn off the trackpoint with a ps2 command from the other drive if you can. After the installation, go ahead and re-activate the mouse. There is something about the way the Win mouse driver scans the ports that locks up the system. ---------- > From: Mark O. Davis > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 5:43 PM > > ** Reply to note from Hugh Valliant Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:32:58 -0400 > > > > Another question....does it boot up in SAFE mode??? > > No, I can't get it to install at all. > > > The easiest way is to install the 2nd drive (make it bootable first) in the > > 2nd bay (where the floppy is) and xcopy32 the contents across (you may need > > an adapter for this...can't remember). > > I don't have a second hard disk caddy. > > > Several months ago I posted a couple of messages on this topic, under > > various conditions, so they should be in the archives. > > Where do I find the archives? Thanks. > > Mark in San Angelo > mdavis1@airmail.net > 04/26/98, 15:43:06 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 18:58:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA235751519; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:58:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17506; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:53:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16825; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16807; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.198]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA10439; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:53:14 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Bill Morrow" , Cc: Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:50:31 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980426225313.AAA10439@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It will work in W95, not in W3.1 ---------- > From: Bill Morrow > To: mdavis1@airmail.net > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 6:06 PM > > Mark.. > the 755 does not officially support a 2nd HDD in the 'other' bay.. > though some have said it will work, not well, but will work, i doubt i would want to try it.. > > Mark O. Davis wrote: > > > ** Reply to note from Hugh Valliant Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:32:58 -0400 > > > > > Another question....does it boot up in SAFE mode??? > > > > No, I can't get it to install at all. > > > > > The easiest way is to install the 2nd drive (make it bootable first) in the > > > 2nd bay (where the floppy is) and xcopy32 the contents across (you may need > > > an adapter for this...can't remember). > > > > I don't have a second hard disk caddy. > > > > > Several months ago I posted a couple of messages on this topic, under > > > various conditions, so they should be in the archives. > > > > Where do I find the archives? Thanks. > > > > Mark in San Angelo > > mdavis1@airmail.net > > 04/26/98, 15:43:06 > > > > -- > Bill Morrow > http://thinkpads.com > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 19:27:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA239393253; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:27:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19027; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:23:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18574; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18537; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valmen (ppp-206-170-32-135.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.135]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id QAA06615; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3543C2F2.237D@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:27:46 -0700 From: Voltaire Almendrala X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 Followup-To: mdavis1@airmail.net,thinkpad@cs.utk.edu To: Bruce Markowitz Cc: mdavis1@airmail.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE References: <19980426225210.AAA9908@760> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Another way around it is to use the hot-keys (alt-whatever) for navigation when running Win95 setup. I used this procedure successfully when installing a fresh copy of OSR 2.5 on gf's 755CX. Hope this helps. //VA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 19:31:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA240623473; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:31:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19008; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:22:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18540; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18508; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a46.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.110]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02188; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:22:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3543C217.1A9F5DC0@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:24:08 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow Cc: Thinkpad Discussion Group Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE References: <3543AFDA.1B5D0EF6@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Depends on which 755 model. I know that the 755CD and CDV supports the Ultrabay option. Some of the 755C's will (not the 755Cs). None of the DSTN models except some of the 760ED's support the Ultrabay option. You need to start up your system and see if that option is supported. The choice of operating systems is not the factor whether or not a second hard drive is or is not supported. OS/2, DOS(Windows3.1+) and WindowsXX supports the Ultrabay option in the 760E/ED series. James Mckenzie Bill Morrow wrote: > Mark.. > the 755 does not officially support a 2nd HDD in the 'other' bay.. > though some have said it will work, not well, but will work, i doubt i would want to try it.. > > Mark O. Davis wrote: > > > ** Reply to note from Hugh Valliant Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:32:58 -0400 > > > > > Another question....does it boot up in SAFE mode??? > > > > No, I can't get it to install at all. > > > > > The easiest way is to install the 2nd drive (make it bootable first) in the > > > 2nd bay (where the floppy is) and xcopy32 the contents across (you may need > > > an adapter for this...can't remember). > > > > I don't have a second hard disk caddy. > > > > > Several months ago I posted a couple of messages on this topic, under > > > various conditions, so they should be in the archives. > > > > Where do I find the archives? Thanks. > > > > Mark in San Angelo > > mdavis1@airmail.net > > 04/26/98, 15:43:06 > > -- > Bill Morrow > http://thinkpads.com > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 19:35:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA241023756; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:35:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19747; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:32:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19616; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19604; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.10] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 26 Apr 98 18:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:32:34 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Bill Morrow Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:57:19 -0400 > no it was not.. > that is OS/2.. > OSR2 is the second service release for win95.. > BIG difference.. > > Regards, > Bill Morrow > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com > > Mark O. Davis wrote: > > > ** Reply to note from Bruce Markowtz Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:26:49 -0400 > > > > > Are you trying to install OSR2? > > > > Yes, that's what was installed on the 810 MB drive. Um... yes, OSR2 was installed on the 810 MB drive, using FAT32. I use OS/2 on my machines, my sister wants Win95. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/26/98, 18:32:32 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 19:40:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA241434039; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:40:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20320; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:37:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20190; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20178; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.10] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 26 Apr 98 18:37:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:37:26 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Bruce Markowitz" Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:29 -0400 > If I recall, the problem is the mouse. You need to start the setup > program for W95 and tell it "no mouse". You win the prize. I started the config utility and disabled the Trackpoint. Setup is proceeding at this very moment. Thanks to all who responded. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/26/98, 18:37:23 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 19:54:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA245004892; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:54:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21317; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:52:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21121; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21109; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user-38ld1ek.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld1ek.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.133.212]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07284 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980426195142.19f7e3ba@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: olderman@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bob Bashford Subject: Farewell to the orphaned file ... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks to all who responded ... I deleted it (them) in DOS, ran chkdsk and speedisk (Norton's defrag) ... did a cold boot and here we are ... no clue as to why it was so large ... I never installed any software under OS2 ... the machine had whatever it came with ... rarely used OS2 (perhaps I should have) ... and as far as comparative uninstalls (OS2 vs W95), I've only done the former ... I'm sure the W95 leaves much more litter ... I dread the day I have to start using it ... I do think that all software reviews should include a section on the furnished uninstall ... start with a clean machine ... install the software ... use it for a few days ... run the uninstall and then note what was left behind ... I tend to do my own uninstalls ... using Inctrl2 and Norton Utilities in combination with several .dll analyzers ... but it's still a tricky business ... I greatly admire those programs which don't use path statements and keep all their components in a single directory ... with perhaps a .ini in the Windows directory ... makes them very easy to remove ... and I despise ANY program which stuffs things into the root directory ... it's amazing to see the .logs and other stuff which (unnecessarily) ends up there ... Regards and thanks again ... Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 20:24:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA249916648; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:24:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22800; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:20:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22510; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22496; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.33] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 26 Apr 98 19:19:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:19:49 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Bruce Markowitz" Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:29 -0400 Well, I spoke too soon. After the first reboot, the system won't start from the hard drive. The error number that appears is I9990302. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/26/98, 19:19:47 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 22:24:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266013872; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:24:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26834; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:15:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25966; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25949; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.136.79]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA27515; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:14:33 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: , Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:11:38 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980427021431.AAA27515@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If only I could win the Lotto! Just another computer gremlin! ---------- > From: Mark O. Davis > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 8:37 PM > > ** Reply to note from "Bruce Markowitz" Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:29 -0400 > > > > If I recall, the problem is the mouse. You need to start the setup > > program for W95 and tell it "no mouse". > > You win the prize. I started the config utility and disabled the Trackpoint. > Setup is proceeding at this very moment. Thanks to all who responded. > > Mark in San Angelo > mdavis1@airmail.net > 04/26/98, 18:37:23 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 22:24:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266063890; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:24:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26831; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:17:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26101; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26089; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.136.79]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA29296; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:17:10 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: , Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:14:16 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980427021709.AAA29296@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I get stupid errors like that at times. Usually I just turn it off and turn it on. You also might want to go into EZ Setup and initialize the system. ---------- > From: Mark O. Davis > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 9:19 PM > > ** Reply to note from "Bruce Markowitz" Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:29 -0400 > > Well, I spoke too soon. After the first reboot, the system won't start from > the hard drive. The error number that appears is I9990302. > > Mark in San Angelo > mdavis1@airmail.net > 04/26/98, 19:19:47 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 26 22:25:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266143902; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:25:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26827; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:14:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25903; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25890; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.136.79]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA26736; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:13:23 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "James Mckenzie" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Thinkpad Discussion Group" Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:10:28 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980427021322.AAA26736@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Nope, that's not true. I had a 755CDV, it does not "officially" support the second HDD adaptor, but it will work in W95 due to the plug and play OS. Second HDD adaptor would NOT work in DOS/Win31 ---------- > From: James Mckenzie > To: Bill Morrow > Cc: Thinkpad Discussion Group > Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 7:24 PM > > Depends on which 755 model. I know that the 755CD and CDV supports the Ultrabay option. Some of > the 755C's will (not the 755Cs). None of the DSTN models except some of the 760ED's support the > Ultrabay option. You need to start up your system and see if that option is supported. > > The choice of operating systems is not the factor whether or not a second hard drive is or is not > supported. OS/2, DOS(Windows3.1+) and WindowsXX supports the Ultrabay option in the 760E/ED > series. > > James Mckenzie > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Mark.. > > the 755 does not officially support a 2nd HDD in the 'other' bay.. > > though some have said it will work, not well, but will work, i doubt i would want to try it.. > > > > Mark O. Davis wrote: > > > > > ** Reply to note from Hugh Valliant Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:32:58 -0400 > > > > > > > Another question....does it boot up in SAFE mode??? > > > > > > No, I can't get it to install at all. > > > > > > > The easiest way is to install the 2nd drive (make it bootable first) in the > > > > 2nd bay (where the floppy is) and xcopy32 the contents across (you may need > > > > an adapter for this...can't remember). > > > > > > I don't have a second hard disk caddy. > > > > > > > Several months ago I posted a couple of messages on this topic, under > > > > various conditions, so they should be in the archives. > > > > > > Where do I find the archives? Thanks. > > > > > > Mark in San Angelo > > > mdavis1@airmail.net > > > 04/26/98, 15:43:06 > > > > -- > > Bill Morrow > > http://thinkpads.com > > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 00:02:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA280729739; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:02:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01355; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:57:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00910; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00892; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hercules (slip-32-100-197-89.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.197.89]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA76882 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:56:40 GMT Message-Id: <3543F40E.64CC@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:57:18 -0700 From: Joe Suttle Reply-To: joesuttle@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Think Pad List Subject: Xircom Ether+Modem 33.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone been able to get the Xircom Ethernet+Modem 33.6 working on a ThinkPad with Warp 4? If so, please forward your Protocol.ini and Config.sys so I can get mine working on a 701C. Does not seem to matter what address I set as the mem location of the card, I either get a Memory Conflict (c00000005) from OS/2 or it comes up with a very wierd address 4AC9F0 (etc.). IBM cost $, and are no help, and Xircom tried, but their answer does not work. Of course, neither has tried to do this on a TP 701C with Warp 4. Any help would be appreciated. This is the second combo card I have tried, and my next choice on Tuesday is to just get a 3COM (without 'x-jack'). Can't use the 'x-jack' because also have a SCSI card for CD attached. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Joe Suttle | Certified OS/2 Engineer | | joesuttle@ibm.net | Powered by OS/2 Warp 4, OS/2 Warp Server | | Hercules, California | and Netscape for OS/2 | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Dark is faster than light, otherwise you would see it. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 01:45:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA291095900; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:45:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04706; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:41:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04296; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04275; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts11.loop.net (p12.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.117]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA04550; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804270540.WAA04550@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bob Bashford" Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 22:41:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Farewell to the orphaned file ... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:51:57 -0400 (EDT), Bob Bashford wrote: > Thanks to all who responded ... I deleted it (them) in DOS, >ran chkdsk and speedisk (Norton's defrag) ... did a cold boot and here we >are ... no clue as to why it was so large ... I never installed any software >under OS2 ... As I wrote eariler, this has extended attributes for ALL the files and directories. HPFS stores these along with each file, and HPFS has so many other niceties. the machine had whatever it came with ... rarely used OS2 >(perhaps I should have) ... and as far as comparative uninstalls (OS2 vs >W95), I've only done the former ... I'm sure the W95 leaves much more litter >... I dread the day I have to start using it ... > Well, try OS/2, or even Linux. I think you will find it a nice change. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 01:45:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA291115901; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:45:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04697; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:38:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04172; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04159; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts11.loop.net (p12.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.117]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA04266; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804270537.WAA04266@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bob Bashford" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 22:38:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Orpahned OS2 file ??? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT), Bob Bashford wrote: > I removed OS2 from my Thinkpad 701CS (3.11) about a year >ago (wasn't too pleased by the number of files and directories the IBM >uninstall left behind) ... I just noticed another file ... "ea_data.sf" in >the C:\ directory with attributes "rhsa" ... over seven megabytes ... I >presume this has something to do with the extended attributes feature ... >can Isafely erase it? Or is it connected to other files in some invisible >way? I'd appreciate any advice ... > Once you remove OS/2 from a system based on the FAT file system, you can safely remove this file. Because FAT is poorly designed (even FAT32), EA DATA. SF contains extended attributes for ALL directories and files. To delete it, follow the steps below: C:\>cd \ C:\>attrib ea?data.?sf -r -a -s -h C:\>del ea?data.?sf And you should be okay from there. Good luck. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 01:46:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA291325984; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:46:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05011; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:43:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04650; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04576; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts11.loop.net (p12.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.117]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA04789; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804270542.WAA04789@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "joesuttle@ibm.net" , "Think Pad List" Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 22:43:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Xircom Ether+Modem 33.6 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:57:18 -0700, Joe Suttle wrote: >Has anyone been able to get the Xircom Ethernet+Modem 33.6 working on a >ThinkPad with Warp 4? If so, please forward your Protocol.ini and >Config.sys so I can get mine working on a 701C. Does not seem to matter >what address I set as the mem location of the card, I either get a >Memory Conflict (c00000005) from OS/2 or it comes up with a very wierd >address 4AC9F0 (etc.). IBM cost $, and are no help, and Xircom tried, >but their answer does not work. Of course, neither has tried to do this >on a TP 701C with Warp 4. Any help would be appreciated. This is the >second combo card I have tried, and my next choice on Tuesday is to just >get a 3COM (without 'x-jack'). Can't use the 'x-jack' because also have >a SCSI card for CD attached. If you don't mind 28.8, you might get a Home & Away. I confirmed that my new Home & Away is in fact 28.8. I don't know if this is only for the warranty exchange parts, but it's so much faster, and still has 10BaseT. Plus, I got that other cable when I need to use other PCMCIA cards with plug-in cables. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 02:10:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA295247428; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:10:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06694; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:07:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06317; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06305; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a49.pm3-32.theriver.com [208.164.96.49]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03978; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:07:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35442101.587C2594@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:09:05 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rich_Chong@mail.share.org, Thinkpad Discussion Group Subject: Re: Fw: New IBM Technical Discussion Forums -- Now Available! References: <862565EE.00539845.00@passnotes.share.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The same format is used on the Best of OS/2 Forum. One has to become used to this format. And don't forget to use SPACES between your keywords. And using your serial number as a keyword does nothing! However, I was just there and IBM is definately listening. James Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > Hey guys chill! > It's better than what they provided before. Plus the arguments on UI > implementation is nothing but tangential noise in this forum. Don't like > it, dont use it. The contents of this list isnt probly aint gonna affect > their implementation. This is getting almost as bad as religious OS wars > that happen here on ocassion. > > rich From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 03:50:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA006213455; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:50:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10727; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:45:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10346; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw.saint-gobain.com (fw.saint-gobain.com [193.106.54.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10334; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fw.saint-gobain.com; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA11284; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:46:56 +0200 Received: from [159.151.248.6] by sgsiosfc.sgsi.fr (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/12May97-1200PM) id AA06289; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:48:02 +0200 Received: by SGSINTEX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2NGDQZ21>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:45:22 +0200 Message-Id: From: Mortaud Pierryck To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Power management for NT Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:45:21 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi I have a thinkpad 560x, and I try to install the power management for NT. I downloaded fuelw32 from the ibm site, but I can run only it when my user is a member of administrator group. How can I install it for any users ? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 10:06:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA051135998; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:06:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28096; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:04:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27909; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27881; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.33] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Mon, 27 Apr 98 09:04:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:04:08 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Bruce Markowitz" Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:14:16 -0400 > I get stupid errors like that at times. Usually I just turn it off and turn > it on. You also might want to go into EZ Setup and initialize the system. > > ---------- > > From: Mark O. Davis > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE > > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 9:19 PM > > > > ** Reply to note from "Bruce Markowitz" Sun, 26 > Apr 1998 18:49:29 -0400 > > > > Well, I spoke too soon. After the first reboot, the system won't start > from > > the hard drive. The error number that appears is I9990302. Yes, I tried initializing after restarting; still wouldn't go. I solved the problem in a different manner; now if I can just train my sister to not accept the default C: drive for everything she installs on it. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/27/98, 09:04:06 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 10:06:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA051216001; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:06:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28084; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:59:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27605; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27587; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.33] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Mon, 27 Apr 98 08:59:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:59:36 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing Win95 on 755CE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Bill Morrow Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:02:50 -0400 > I9990302 = system not seeing boot device.. > could be OS or its not firmly seated in the HDD bay.. > with your initial problem, sounds like OS not there.. > > Mark O. Davis wrote: > > > ** Reply to note from "Bruce Markowitz" Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:29 -0400 > > > > Well, I spoke too soon. After the first reboot, the system won't start from > > the hard drive. The error number that appears is I9990302. Well, I solved that problem. I decided that perhaps the system didn't want to boot from a partition that extended beyond the standard 1024 cylinder limit, so I partitioned to disk into a 500 MB C: drive and the remainder as D:. Win95 installed and runs fine, it even converted the D: drive to FAT32 during installation, without telling me (I hate that). Thanks again. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/27/98, 08:59:34 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 16:01:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA120457265; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:01:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22718; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:41:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20950; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhro1.mayo.edu (mhro1.mayo.edu [129.176.100.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20891; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fermat.mayo.edu by mhro1.mayo.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:27:47 -0500 Received: from feynman.Mayo.EDU (feynman [129.176.212.47]) by fermat.mayo.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA05280 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:27:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from feynman by feynman.Mayo.EDU (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA26861; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:26:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:26:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "James P. Grenert" X-Sender: grenert@feynman Reply-To: "James P. Grenert" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Introduction and questions (TP 360PE) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Mayo Medical School Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! I recently purchased my first laptop, a refurbished Thinkpad 360PE (2620-B0G). It has 20 megs RAM and a 540 MB hard drive (single FAT partition). I installed OS/2 Warp 3.0 and have a dual boot with either OS/2, or PCDOS 6.3/Win3.1/Windows for Pen 1.0. Windows for Pen 1.0 is really nice. I had Win95 with Pen Services 2.0 installed for a while, but I think that 1.0 is better, mainly due to the presence of editing strokes. Of course, the fact that Win95 runs more slowly (but not too badly) on the old 486 processor doesn't help 2.0 any. I had never tried OS/2 before, and I am pretty impressed with how well it handles Win3.1 apps. I run a lot of DOS applications, so I decided to try OS/2 to run them both. So far it's doing well except for one problem... (see below). A request and some questions: * I originally had PCDOS 7.0 preinstalled, but my disk factory image for disk 5 was trashed. Could someone please email me a zipped copy? * I can't get PCMCIA storage devices (a Maxtor 105 MB HD and a Sandisk 20 MB ATA flash card) to work in either Windows or OS/2. The Easy Playing software correctly identifies both cards, but they always come up as Not Ready. Any suggestions? * In order to get Windows for Pen to work, I have to have a second Windows installation outside of WinOS2. When I installed Win for Pen under WinOS2, I get an error saying that the driver listed in the "display=" line of SYSTEM.INI does not support Windows for Pen. Has anyone been succesful in running Win for Pen under WinOS2? With a relatively small HD, it seems like such a waste to have to have two installations of Windows. Thanks for any help! J. P. Grenert grenert@mayo.edu P. S. The only other computer I own (except for some Commodore 8-bits from my youth) is an HP 200LX DOS palmtop. I guess my taste for computers runs toward the small side. :) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 19:17:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA151629059; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:17:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03932; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:08:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03713; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03700; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00460; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA29030; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: "James P. Grenert" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Introduction and questions (TP 360PE) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, James P. Grenert wrote: > A request and some questions: > * I originally had PCDOS 7.0 preinstalled, but my disk factory image for > disk 5 was trashed. Could someone please email me a zipped copy? I have the CD-ROM but it has only files for disk 5 not a disk image. Do you know what files you need? > * I can't get PCMCIA storage devices (a Maxtor 105 MB HD and a > Sandisk 20 MB ATA flash card) to work in either Windows or OS/2. The Easy > Playing software correctly identifies both cards, but they always come up > as Not Ready. Any suggestions? In OS/2 that means the hardware see them but the software drivers are not installed. Run install and select plug and play for pcmcia. DOS 6.3 needs card services which it didn't include. However PC DOS 7 includes the Phoenix pcmcia card services. > P. S. The only other computer I own (except for some Commodore 8-bits from > my youth) is an HP 200LX DOS palmtop. I guess my taste for computers runs > toward the small side. :) I likewise have a HP200lx. I'm set up Sidekick for 2.0 on it. I have Sidekick 2.0 for PM on my warp 4 desktop and warp 3 laptop and can share the files directly. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 19:20:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA151809234; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:20:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04688; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:18:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04572; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04541; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a25.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.153]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23992; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:17:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3545127B.CD502887@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:19:23 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick West , Thinkpad Discussion Group Subject: Re: Introduction and questions (TP 360PE) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Patrick West wrote: > On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, James P. Grenert wrote: > > A request and some questions: > > * I originally had PCDOS 7.0 preinstalled, but my disk factory image for > > disk 5 was trashed. Could someone please email me a zipped copy? > I have the CD-ROM but it has only files for disk 5 not a disk image. > Do you know what files you need? > > > * I can't get PCMCIA storage devices (a Maxtor 105 MB HD and a > > Sandisk 20 MB ATA flash card) to work in either Windows or OS/2. The Easy > > Playing software correctly identifies both cards, but they always come up > > as Not Ready. Any suggestions? > In OS/2 that means the hardware see them but the software drivers are not > installed. Run install and select plug and play for pcmcia. > Make sure that you select your machine class. In my case, 760E/ED. > DOS 6.3 needs card services which it didn't include. However PC DOS 7 > includes the Phoenix pcmcia card services. > You might get lucky and find those card services somewhere on the 'Net. James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 19:48:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157280933; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:48:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06283; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:46:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06183; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (letoured@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06171; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from letoured@localhost) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15050; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804272346.TAA15050@pike.sover.net> From: letoured@sover.net Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 19:47:25 -0400 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Hot Swaping Ethernet cards X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 (Unregistered) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can anyone recommend PCMCIA cards that will work with a 560 and OS2 ver. 4 and do not require the machine to be rebooted when you reinsert the LAN card? Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 21:57:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174158630; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:57:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11689; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:42:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11406; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11391; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804280142.VAA11391@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 26 Apr 1988 18:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "letoured@sover.net" , "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 18:42:16 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hot Swaping Ethernet cards Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I used to do this every day using a 3com card on a 750 running WARP 4. You must boot with the card to get the OS to recognise it, but after that you can pop the card, hibernate, go home, connect lan services to ppp, dial in etc. without rebooting. On Mon, 27 Apr 98 19:47:25 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >Can anyone recommend PCMCIA cards that will work with a 560 and OS2 ver. 4 >and do not require the machine to be rebooted when you reinsert the LAN >card? > >Thanks > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >letoured@sover.net >----------------------------------------------------------- > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 22:00:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174438831; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:00:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12325; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:53:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12213; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12201; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38ld1oo.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.135.24]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA27010 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3545361D.6453@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:51:25 -0400 From: "David W. Robinson" Reply-To: daveyboy@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu UNSUBSCRIBE From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 22:13:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA176859618; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:13:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13641; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:11:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13560; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13548; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [151.110.166.11] by firewall.etn.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 28 Apr 1998 02:11:12 UT Received: from shiloh (root@v1-6-162.bridgewater.dialup.ans.net [152.189.49.162]) by etnsed.aus.etn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05929 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:11:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: by shiloh id m0yTzng-0009YjC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:07:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <19980427210716.08881@etnsed.aus.etn.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:07:16 -0500 From: "D. W. Wieboldt" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? References: <199804210455.VAA28594@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199804210455.VAA28594@stevie.loop.com>; from Paul Khoury on Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 09:55:28PM -0800 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 09:55:28PM -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT), Paul Rubin wrote: > > >For those of us unsatisfied with 1024x768, has anyone heard of higher > >resolution laptops in the works? 1152x960 used to be a standard > >workstation resolution; 1280x1024 is even nicer, of course. > > > The only computers I could think of are possibly portable UNIX workstations. OK. This stinkpad 560 is a UNIX workstation. It's a lot more portable than the stinkpad 760 that I used to drag around. It runs much better on Linux rather than with the standard Redmond Rubbish. 1024 would be a step up. When can I get it? -- dwiebold@etnsed.aus.etn.com . . . . . . . This stinkpad runs Linux! Politics are almost as exciting as war, and quite as dangerous. In war, you can only be killed once. -- Winston Churchill From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Apr 27 23:16:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA185203401; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:16:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15991; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:13:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15814; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15802; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:13:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a47.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.47]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08390; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:12:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199804280312.UAA08390@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 20:16:15 -0700 To: Patrick West In-Reply-To: Cc: Thinkpad Discussion Group Subject: Re: Introduction and questions (TP 360PE) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In , on 04/27/98 at 04:53 PM, Patrick West said: >On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, James Mckenzie wrote: > >> You might get lucky and find those card services somewhere on the 'Net. >He said he has IBM PC DOS 7 but with disk # 5 bad. He can call IBM's hardware support for his country and request a new disk #5. He needs to have disk 1 for the serial number. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 00:33:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA199498006; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:33:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19818; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:30:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19685; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19666; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts13.loop.net (p24.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29998; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804280429.VAA29998@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "James P. Grenert" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 21:29:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Introduction and questions (TP 360PE) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >* I can't get PCMCIA storage devices (a Maxtor 105 MB HD and a >Sandisk 20 MB ATA flash card) to work in either Windows or OS/2. The Easy >Playing software correctly identifies both cards, but they always come up >as Not Ready. Any suggestions? Try and locate the latest copy of Easy Playing, called Play at Will. It's included with Warp 4, but I got it somewhere here, and used it under Warp 3. I needed it because Warp 3 wouldn't recognize the PCMCIA SRAM card for my now dead PDA. I'm not sure about straight DOS though, I never use it anymore. >* In order to get Windows for Pen to work, I have to have a second Windows >installation outside of WinOS2. When I installed Win for Pen under >WinOS2, I get an error saying that the driver listed in the "display=" >line of SYSTEM.INI does not support Windows for Pen. Has anyone been >succesful in running Win for Pen under WinOS2? With a relatively small >HD, it seems like such a waste to have to have two installations of >Windows. > Are you using OS/2 Red box, or Blue box? I'm assuming you have 3.0. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 00:41:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA200808518; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:41:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20351; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:35:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20171; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20111; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts13.loop.net (p24.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA00690; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804280434.VAA00690@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "James P. Grenert" , "Patrick West" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 21:34:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Introduction and questions (TP 360PE) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:08:14 -0700 (PDT), Patrick West wrote: >On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, James P. Grenert wrote: >> A request and some questions: >> * I originally had PCDOS 7.0 preinstalled, but my disk factory image for >> disk 5 was trashed. Could someone please email me a zipped copy? >I have the CD-ROM but it has only files for disk 5 not a disk image. >Do you know what files you need? > I think that other than disk 1, you can zip them up. The boot disk requires LOADDSKF.EXE or a similiar utility to create an image file. > >> * I can't get PCMCIA storage devices (a Maxtor 105 MB HD and a >> Sandisk 20 MB ATA flash card) to work in either Windows or OS/2. The Easy >> Playing software correctly identifies both cards, but they always come up >> as Not Ready. Any suggestions? >In OS/2 that means the hardware see them but the software drivers are not >installed. Run install and select plug and play for pcmcia. > >DOS 6.3 needs card services which it didn't include. However PC DOS 7 >includes the Phoenix pcmcia card services. > Doesn't IBM have drivers for the 360PE specifically for DOS/Win3.1x? >> P. S. The only other computer I own (except for some Commodore 8-bits from >> my youth) is an HP 200LX DOS palmtop. I guess my taste for computers runs >> toward the small side. :) > Ahh, someone else still has C64's? I guess I'm not too old to say their from my youth, though. I wish I could see a CP/M machine, though. >I likewise have a HP200lx. I'm set up Sidekick for 2.0 on it. I have >Sidekick 2.0 for PM on my warp 4 desktop and warp 3 laptop and can share >the files directly. > Lucky. I had an HP Omnigo 100 running Geoworks, and ironically, not only is the machine dead, but I can't access the PCMCIA card from my ThinkPad now (and I KNOW it works). The only problem was transferring data. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 00:51:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA201639092; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:51:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21545; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:50:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21457; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21429; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (143.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.143]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA23908; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35456149.AA38F4B8@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:55:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "D. W. Wieboldt" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 1280x1024 anyone? References: <199804210455.VAA28594@stevie.loop.com> <19980427210716.08881@etnsed.aus.etn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear D.W. IBM exhibited a THINKpad 770 at fall comdex last year with a P-II and a super XGA display.. when or IF it will ever be introduced or released (the super XGA) is unknown to me.. :-) D. W. Wieboldt wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 09:55:28PM -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT), Paul Rubin wrote: > > > > >For those of us unsatisfied with 1024x768, has anyone heard of higher > > >resolution laptops in the works? 1152x960 used to be a standard > > >workstation resolution; 1280x1024 is even nicer, of course. > > > > > The only computers I could think of are possibly portable UNIX workstations. > > OK. This stinkpad 560 is a UNIX workstation. It's a lot more portable > than the stinkpad 760 that I used to drag around. It runs much better on > Linux rather than with the standard Redmond Rubbish. 1024 would be a step > up. When can I get it? > > -- > dwiebold@etnsed.aus.etn.com . . . . . . . This stinkpad runs Linux! > > Politics are almost as exciting as war, and quite as dangerous. In war, > you can only be killed once. > -- Winston Churchill -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 01:11:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA205020294; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:11:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22828; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:09:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22715; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22703; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts13.loop.net (p24.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA05075 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804280508.WAA05075@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 22:09:16 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant online tonight Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I will try to get the ThinkPad Assistant running tonight. I have all machines up to the 730T (NOT including the 600, and newer 560 models). I'll try and get the 750, and maybe one of the 755's up tomorrow. I'll post the URL soon. Also, does anyone else here have the Home & Away 28.8? This modem is fast, and much an improvement over the original 14.4 Home & Away. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 01:38:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA207351907; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:38:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24203; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:36:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24075; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24062; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts12.loop.net (p25.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.160]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA08157 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804280534.WAA08157@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 22:35:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Online Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, the ThinkPad Assistant is online at http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org/thinkpad/index.html To download the latest release (which nobody has), it's http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org/thinkpad/thinkpad_assistant_current_release.zip It should be up tonight as a test run, but not beyond 4:00AM PST (unless I'm lucky). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 07:15:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA240022115; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:15:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11450; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:12:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11233; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orbit14i.nesdis.noaa.gov (orbit14i.wwb.noaa.gov [140.90.109.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11216; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pchang@localhost) by orbit14i.nesdis.noaa.gov (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA18443 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:13:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Chang To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 11:08:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266446126; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:08:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24192; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:04:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24021; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24008; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (slip-32-100-149-97.wa.us.ibm.net [32.100.149.97]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA30094 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:04:47 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980428075453.03360608@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: johncal@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:54:53 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Callahan Subject: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have experience using 1024 x 768 resolution on a 12.1" screen? I would like to avoid the added weight and cost of a larger screen, but am concerned about the readability of 1024 x 768 on a smaller screen. Any feedback appreciated. Thanks in advance. John Callahan ----- John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA Phone: (206) 282-7050 Fax: (206) 448-2655 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 11:22:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA269526938; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:22:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25382; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:20:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25282; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25269; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (242.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.242]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id LAA13287; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3545F4E3.8342D497@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:25:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Callahan Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? References: <3.0.3.32.19980428075453.03360608@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John.. it is VERY readable.. very sharp image.. this IS, of course, a subjective experience.. your mileage may vary.. :-) John Callahan wrote: > Does anyone have experience using 1024 x 768 resolution on a 12.1" > screen? > > I would like to avoid the added weight and cost of a larger screen, > but am concerned about the readability of 1024 x 768 on a smaller > screen. > > Any feedback appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > John Callahan > > ----- > John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research > Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 > Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA > Phone: (206) 282-7050 Fax: (206) 448-2655 -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 11:27:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA270427228; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:27:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26150; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:25:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25901; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24853; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-42.usc.edu [128.125.223.186]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA25808; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281512.IAA25808@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:12:32 -0700 To: John Callahan From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980428075453.03360608@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:54 AM 4/28/98 , John Callahan wrote: > >Does anyone have experience using 1024 x 768 resolution on a 12.1" >screen? Does anyone know if 1024 x 768 even *exists* on a 12.1" screen? If so, I'd like to know about it, as I have similar feelings as John does below. >I would like to avoid the added weight and cost of a larger screen, >but am concerned about the readability of 1024 x 768 on a smaller >screen. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 11:30:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271367416; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:30:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26859; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:27:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26409; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26191; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com (ottmsooc01.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.24]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA88794 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:30:02 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD7297.F33978A0@ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:22:38 -0400 Message-Id: From: TROTTIER Tom To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , John Callahan Subject: RE: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:27:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 32 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My advice is to get glasses... Depends on the screen. One disadvantage of mail order. LCDs are usually pretty clear, but... Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse an MCI Company :^(+1 613:^ 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182:^( :^} ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com :^} *:)50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada*:) ~Questions answered, answers questioned~ >---------- >From: John Callahan[SMTP:johncal@ibm.net] >Sent: 1998 April 28 - Tuesday 10:54 >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? > > >Does anyone have experience using 1024 x 768 resolution on a 12.1" >screen? > >I would like to avoid the added weight and cost of a larger screen, >but am concerned about the readability of 1024 x 768 on a smaller >screen. > >Any feedback appreciated. > >Thanks in advance. > >John Callahan > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 11:39:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA272467957; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:39:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27892; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:35:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27748; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27717; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (242.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.242]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id LAA18757; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3545F88D.836A3DE4@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:41:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: John Callahan , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? References: <199804281512.IAA25808@almaak.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ThinkPad 760ED-U9A and 760E with the P-150 cpu, ThinkPad 760X and XD.. the 765 series all have the XGA display but they are 13.3 inches.. i have a few of those available new in the box, but i dont push them 'cuz i think the 770 wuith the 13.3TFT display will be soon available at the same price.. Randal Whittle wrote: > At 07:54 AM 4/28/98 , John Callahan wrote: > > > >Does anyone have experience using 1024 x 768 resolution on a 12.1" > >screen? > > Does anyone know if 1024 x 768 even *exists* on a 12.1" screen? If so, > I'd like to know about it, as I have similar feelings as John does below. > > >I would like to avoid the added weight and cost of a larger screen, > >but am concerned about the readability of 1024 x 768 on a smaller > >screen. > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 12:07:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA277149628; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:07:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00305; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:04:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00173; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantic-ocean.carlson-marketing.co.uk (mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk [193.130.232.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00131; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:58:46 +0100 Message-Id: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C4CA8A6@DANUBE> From: "Murray, Pete" To: Thinkpad Digest Subject: [TP600] Prices!! Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:04:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ive been waiting for the 600 for months, it would be an idea = replacement for my 560. I am therefore very disappointed that the models fitted = with the 13.3 TFT are only available with the new PII and therefore are incredibly expensive(=A34500 in the UK). Does anybody have opinions on the HPA screens vs TFT? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 13:24:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA293604271; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:24:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06352; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:19:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06252; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06231; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA06897; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:18:44 -1000 Message-Id: <001301bd72c9$c3bbce20$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: H&A modem (was: Re: ThinkPad Assistant online tonight) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:19:11 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul asked: >Also, does anyone else here have the Home & Away 28.8? This modem is = fast, and much an improvement >over the original 14.4 Home & Away. Do you actually know it's an improvement, or is this just wishful = thinking? We all know you just got one - have you been using it? I thought a pair of tin cans and a string was an improvement over the = original 14.4 Home & Away (at least, easier to interface with more = machines:-) - David David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 13:26:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA294054382; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:26:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05578; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:12:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05306; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vassar.edu (vaxsar.vassar.edu [143.229.1.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04428; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.vassar.edu (hub.cs.vassar.edu) by VASSAR.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #20112) with SMTP id <01IWEJFEW5QO003ZFD@VASSAR.EDU> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:58:23 EST Received: from mote by cs.vassar.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA27396; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:56:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by mote (SMI-8.6) id MAA07514; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:56:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:56:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Manning Subject: [TP600]: graphics chipset is Trident -- yeay! In-Reply-To: X-Sender: manning@mote To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Joseph Manning Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There's some contradictory information on IBM's web pages regarding the graphics chipset in the (fabulous!) new TP 600; some pages list it as the Trident CYBER 9397, while others list it as the (dreaded!) NeoMagic 2160. So I called IBM. The direct word from The Horse's Mouth is: Trident CYBER 9397 (the Help Person assured me that she was looking at the official IBM internal docs, not just their web page). That's GREAT news for anyone who runs Linux / XFree86, since the Trident chip is supported, whereas NeoMagic refuses to publish the specs on their chips and so it cannot be supported in XFree86. Cheers, Joseph ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joseph Manning / Computer Science / Vassar College / manning@cs.vassar.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 13:33:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA295554785; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:33:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07560; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:30:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07394; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jimmy.jwpepper.com (jimmy.jwpepper.com [208.28.133.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07373; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cslater@localhost) by jimmy.jwpepper.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id NAA78062 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:31:31 -0400 (EDT) From: cslater@jwpepper.com Message-Id: <199804281731.NAA78062@jimmy.jwpepper.com> Subject: 760CD + win95 + 64 MB = big problem! To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:31:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My office has three 760CD Thinkpads, on which we run a variety of operating systems, including Warp 4 and Windows95. Most systems are set up with OS2's Boot Manager. In all cases, BIOS level is up to date. We have gradually updated the models, adding to memory and installing larger hard drives. We have now brought three of them up to 64 MB, by installing 2 x 32 SIMM's (DIMM's?) from Apricorn. We now find that we cannot boot up Windows95. The symptom is that Win95 starts to boot, but just before it begins to paint its screen, the screen becomes filled with garbage. This extreme video corruption persists, requiring a hard shutdown. All systems are running the current version of the Cyber9320 video driver. They all worked before we added the second 32 MB. Furthermore, if we swap out one of the 32 MB and replace it with a 16 MB, they will work. It is only the combination of 2 x 32 MB that fails. We have tried moving the memory around, swapping from system to system, trying just one SIMM, running startup tests, and so on. In all cases, the memory and display test out OK, but the combination of 2 x 32 fails. The system will boot if we boot in safe mode and change video to plain VGA or Trident SVGA. Curiously, OS2 boots just fine. Since this behavior persists consistently on three different 760CD's, I have to conclude that there is a serious problem here. Can anyone please give me some guidance on how to get this thing working, or let me know if this is a known problem and we can't??? Thanks! -- . Charles Slater The Pepper Music Network . P.O. Box 850 Valley Forge, PA 19482 . 1-800-345-6296 Fax: 610-993-0563 . cslater@jwpepper.com http://www.jwpepper.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 13:51:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA299205915; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:51:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09165; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:47:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08990; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08978; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailstub@localhost) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA14039; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281747.KAA14039@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "John Callahan" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 10:51:07 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My husband and I use this resolution on 12.1" screens everyday. On my machine (760XD) running OS/2 I find the fonts fine. On my husbands machine (760E P150) running Win95, I have the fonts set to large rather than small. No complaints >from him. But try to find one to look at since people's eyesight and eye strain vary. On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:54:53 -0700, John Callahan wrote: > >Does anyone have experience using 1024 x 768 resolution on a 12.1" >screen? > >I would like to avoid the added weight and cost of a larger screen, >but am concerned about the readability of 1024 x 768 on a smaller >screen. > >Any feedback appreciated. > >Thanks in advance. > >John Callahan > > >----- >John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research >Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 >Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA >Phone: (206) 282-7050 Fax: (206) 448-2655 > --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 14:45:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA025999148; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:45:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13181; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:40:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12628; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12587; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-145.usc.edu [128.125.223.145]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA25443 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281839.LAA25443@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:39:51 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP 600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, who's getting a ThinkPad 600? I'd like to hear a "man on the street" review as soon as someone gets one--and that could be as early as today, given that they went on sale today. In particular, does anyone know if the "Ultraslim bay" can take anything besides a floppy or CD? IBM's web site says they'll have a DVD available in June, but I'm thinking more in terms of a spare battery, 2nd hard drive, or a Zip drive. I'm also interested in "real world" figures on battery life--and whether there's a difference between the battery life on the 233 MMX Pentium vs. either of the Pentium II models. ...and one last thing--I'd like to know if either of the Pentium II models run hot enough that it would actually be uncomfortable (Read: Burns) on my lap if I sit on the couch and use it as I am often wont to do. If that is the case, I should perhaps consider not getting a P-II. Many thanks in advance! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 14:55:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA031089700; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:55:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13169; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:40:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12664; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12596; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-145.usc.edu [128.125.223.145]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA25433 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281839.LAA25433@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:35:00 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Zoomed Video? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, Okay, I have a favor to ask--can anyone explain to me what Zoomed video is, or more particular--what PC cards exist that actually take advantage of this feature on newer notebook PC's? I don't want theoretical "what could it do's", I'd like to hear concrete examples of people using it--in what situations and why. Thanks for your time! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 15:07:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA036750464; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:07:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14749; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:57:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14586; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14510; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-145.usc.edu [128.125.223.145]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA01592; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281855.LAA01592@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:54:58 -0700 To: Joseph Manning From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP600]: graphics chipset is Trident -- yay! Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:56 AM 4/28/98 , Joseph Manning wrote: >There's some contradictory information on IBM's web pages >regarding the graphics chipset in the (fabulous!) new TP 600; >some pages list it as the Trident CYBER 9397, while others >list it as the (dreaded!) NeoMagic 2160. >That's GREAT news for anyone who runs Linux / XFree86, >since the Trident chip is supported, whereas NeoMagic >refuses to publish the specs on their chips and so it >cannot be supported in XFree86. I've heard the NeoMagic is a better performer though. Not being interested in Linux, I consider the above news to be a disappointment. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 15:11:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA038410679; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:11:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15548; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:04:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15252; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15239; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.83]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA20586; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:03:31 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: Re: Zoomed Video? Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:00:44 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980428190330.AAA20586@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It is the ability to send data directly to the video bus, bypassing the CPU. It is used for: MPEG card Capture card (I am using one to watch full screen TV DVD decoder card (on the market, just waiting for a PCMCIA DVD drive) ---------- > From: Randal Whittle > To: TP List > Subject: Zoomed Video? > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 2:35 PM > > Hi all, > > Okay, I have a favor to ask--can anyone explain to me what Zoomed video is, > or more particular--what PC cards exist that actually take advantage of > this feature on newer notebook PC's? > > I don't want theoretical "what could it do's", I'd like to hear concrete > examples of people using it--in what situations and why. > > Thanks for your time! > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 15:22:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA045381370; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:22:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17505; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:17:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16916; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16897; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-002-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.66]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12950; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <35462B3A.988E36DA@cia-g.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:17:14 -0600 From: Ray Bay Organization: Fermat Fibonacci X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Murray, Pete" Cc: Thinkpad Digest Subject: Re: [TP600] Prices!! References: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C4CA8A6@DANUBE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Judging from the prices on the competition products, the 600 will drop a lot in price by October or November... and be more stable by then as well... I am looking at the 770 PII to replace my 760ED, but have learned >from hard and bitter experience to wait several months after a new release is available. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 15:33:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA051032000; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:33:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17898; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:19:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17177; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17118; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-002-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.66]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13017; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <35462BB7.59AFF04F@cia-g.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:19:19 -0600 From: Ray Bay Organization: Fermat Fibonacci X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: John Callahan , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? References: <199804281512.IAA25808@almaak.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm pretty sure it is available on the now discontinued 760ED which I believe has the 12.1 screen. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 15:38:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA053272307; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:38:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18507; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:25:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18057; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post6.inre.asu.edu (post6.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18036; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01IWEI9DLP9099H0JZ@asu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:24:30 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [198.60.132.11]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA02804 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:24:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24583; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:24:24 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:24:24 -0700 (MST) From: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Subject: TV tuner for 770 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Message-Id: <9804281924.AA24583@aztec.asu.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Any advice, comments (positive and negative), recommendation, etc about TV tuner (with or without FM tuner) for the TP770 either fitting in the Ultrabay or a card slot? TIA jc email to: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 15:44:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA055982689; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:44:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19235; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:33:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19086; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18973; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08117; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:33:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.182.1]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08106; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:33:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980428152708.00a4e9f0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:27:08 -0400 To: Randal Whittle , TP List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP 600 In-Reply-To: <199804281839.LAA25443@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:39 AM 4/28/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >...and one last thing--I'd like to know if either of the Pentium II models >run hot enough that it would actually be uncomfortable (Read: Burns) on my >lap if I sit on the couch and use it as I am often wont to do. If that is >the case, I should perhaps consider not getting a P-II. > I was curious about this too, so I left the 266 PII I had sitting on my workbench all day to see how hot it would get - the bottom was barely warm to the touch by late afternoon. YMMV. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 16:01:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA064143709; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:01:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21520; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:52:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21000; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20973; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28830; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281951.MAA28830@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 12:51:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: H&A modem (was: Re: ThinkPad Assistant online tonight) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:19:11 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Paul asked: > >>Also, does anyone else here have the Home & Away 28.8? This modem is fast, and much an improvement >>over the original 14.4 Home & Away. > > >Do you actually know it's an improvement, or is this just wishful thinking? We all know you just got one - have you been using it? > Yeah, I'm using it now. It's FAST (although I can't wait to try out my SPARCbook's 128K ISDN some day), and people who used my website last night said it was reasonably quick. So, it is in fact a 28.8 H&A, and seems much improved over the 14.4. >I thought a pair of tin cans and a string was an improvement over the original 14.4 Home & Away (at least, easier to interface with more machines:-) > Nah, too much line noise. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 16:02:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA064783773; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:02:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21531; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:56:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21325; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21256; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA29302; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281955.MAA29302@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 12:55:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >...and one last thing--I'd like to know if either of the Pentium II models >run hot enough that it would actually be uncomfortable (Read: Burns) on my >lap if I sit on the couch and use it as I am often wont to do. If that is >the case, I should perhaps consider not getting a P-II. > It'll probably get hot. My SPARCbook is "only" 110MHz, and after about 30-60 minutes, it get's HOT (especially since S. California is also HOT about this time of year). The ThinkPad get's hot, but this one get' s HOTTER, so I can imagine that a PII will really heat up if it doesn't have very well designed ventalation. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 16:17:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA072264631; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:17:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22955; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:08:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22841; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22828; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-002-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.66]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14296; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:08:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <35463748.C2797092@cia-g.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:08:40 -0600 From: Ray Bay Organization: Fermat Fibonacci X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: TP 600 References: <199804281955.MAA29302@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Not at all... This new heat sink and cooling system IBM has in the PII's is much better than anything previous... cooler in fact in the tests we have run... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 16:50:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA088036603; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:50:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26015; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:46:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25887; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver.margi.com ([208.223.140.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25849; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bryan (208.223.140.114) by ntserver.margi.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 28 Apr 1998 13:47:42 -0700 Received: by bryan with Microsoft Mail id <01BD72AC.137F67A0@bryan>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:46:42 -0700 Message-Id: <01BD72AC.137F67A0@bryan> From: Bryan Edwards To: "'Randal Whittle'" , TP List Subject: RE: Zoomed Video? Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:46:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Randal, ZV or zoom video is the lower slot on your notebook. In a nut shell what = ZV does is take the information straight to the video controller and = then to the screen. What this is great for is multimedia i.e. MPEG1, = MPEG2, and DVD. The reason is that if you "decode" on the PCMCIA card = not the CPU you still have the majority of your CPU still available for = other processing issues. If you have the chance look up my company at = www.margi.com we have a complete multimedia solution for the ZV = notebooks..... DVD-to-Go, Mpeg-to-Go, and Capture-to-Go two are PC = editors choices for all peripherals.......sorry if this sound like a = commercial!!!!!!!!! =20 Since I've already apologized if you want DVD and don't want to buy a = new 750 DVT please give our solution a look :) Thank for your time! Bryan Bryan Edwards Channel Sales Manager Margi Systems=20 Phone: 510.657.4435 x 22 e-mail: bedwards@margi.com web: www.margi.com -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 11:35 AM To: TP List Subject: Zoomed Video? Hi all, Okay, I have a favor to ask--can anyone explain to me what Zoomed video = is, or more particular--what PC cards exist that actually take advantage of this feature on newer notebook PC's? I don't want theoretical "what could it do's", I'd like to hear concrete examples of people using it--in what situations and why. Thanks for your time! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 17:30:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA109329041; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:30:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29356; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:28:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29198; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29175; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a40.pm3-33.theriver.com [208.164.96.104]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09892; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:27:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35464A11.A288A94C@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:28:49 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bay Cc: Randal Whittle , John Callahan , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? References: <199804281512.IAA25808@almaak.usc.edu> <35462BB7.59AFF04F@cia-g.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It does. I'm using a 9546-U9A, which has a 12.1" 1024x768 screen. James Ray Bay wrote: > I'm pretty sure it is available on the now discontinued 760ED which I > believe has the 12.1 screen. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 17:31:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA110099118; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:31:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28421; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:20:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28272; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28246; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id OAA14127 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00047DD0; Tue, 28 Apr 98 14:24:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:23:16 -0700 Message-Id: <00047DD0.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: source for TP760 hard drive caddies To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu does anyone have a source for the 760 type of hard drive caddies? I've tried the IBM Direct web page without luck. *gloat on* I just bought a 5.1 GB Travelstar drive for $469. But I gotta find a caddy. *gloat off* I'm loathe to pull off my existing 760 caddy off of my 2.1 GB drive. Plus it'll be cool to be able to drop in both hard drives into my 760. Ok, ok. It'll be cool AND ridiculous. thanks, Mitchell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 18:16:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA130371772; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:16:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02335; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:14:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02218; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02202; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p15.hwts05.loop.net (p15.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.180]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA19778; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804282213.PAA19778@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ray Bay" Cc: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 15:13:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:08:40 -0600, Ray Bay wrote: >Not at all... This new heat sink and cooling system IBM has in the PII's >is much better than anything previous... cooler in fact in the tests we >have run... > Amazing. I would have thought the latter. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 19:19:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157795539; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:18:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05652; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:15:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05354; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zip.com.au (root@mail.zip.com.au [203.12.97.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05331; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haggis.sentor.com.au (spark12.zip.com.au [203.62.148.228]) by mail.zip.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29514 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:12:47 +1000 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980428231228.0070e84c@zip.com.au> X-Sender: cnscott@zip.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:12:28 +1000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Chris Scott Subject: 770 Modem problem SOLVED! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 770 modem was not making any sound (no connect sound etc). There is a problem with 770s and Direct X 5. You can get a new driver from here... http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/7446.html IBM didnt even know about this!!! c. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 19:47:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA172277250; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:47:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07177; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:44:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07068; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07055; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-150-121.on.ca.ibm.net [129.37.150.121]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA55854; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:44:07 GMT Message-Id: <35466983.451909D9@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:42:59 -0400 From: rdsims X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Scott Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 Modem problem SOLVED! References: <1.5.4.32.19980428231228.0070e84c@zip.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm a little confused when you say IBM didn't know about this problem.. The new driver is dated 3/31/98, and one of the fixes is inclusion of the Direct X 5 drivers..Do you mean Thinkpad support wasn't aware of the fix? Regards. Dave Chris Scott wrote: > My 770 modem was not making any sound (no connect sound etc). > There is a problem with 770s and Direct X 5. You can get a new driver from > here... > > http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/7446.html > > IBM didnt even know about this!!! > > c. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 20:40:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA196930404; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:40:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09579; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:37:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09377; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09364; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl ([12.69.70.110]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14220; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:36:26 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980428203013.00a4f620@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:30:13 -0400 To: Randal Whittle From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP 600 Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <199804290031.RAA20591@almaak.usc.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19980428152708.00a4e9f0@mindspring.com> <199804281839.LAA25443@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:13 PM 4/28/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > ...and the model of computer this 266 P-II you have is...? > Oh, sorry, it was a TP600 I had for eval - had to give it back (well, they threatened to chop off my hands if I didn't let go of it...) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 21:24:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218863060; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:24:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11479; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:21:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11362; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11340; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 135.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.135]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA23866 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:21:18 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600]: graphics chipset is Trident -- yay! Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:20:58 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <355774c1.46233728@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199804281855.LAA01592@almaak.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <199804281855.LAA01592@almaak.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:54:58 -0700, you wrote: > I've heard the NeoMagic is a better performer though. > > Not being interested in Linux, I consider the above news to be a >disappointment. I'm afraid I've got to say "ditto" to that. I've used the NeoMagic and have the Trident in my current 560, and the NeoMagic was one hell of a lot better - it's 128-bit, rather than the 64-bit of the Trident, after all. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 22:21:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA247126467; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:21:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13789; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:13:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13625; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13606; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl ([12.69.70.110]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA21262; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:12:38 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980428220626.00a66e50@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:06:26 -0400 To: Randal Whittle From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP 600 Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <199804290047.RAA24345@almaak.usc.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19980428203013.00a4f620@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <199804290031.RAA20591@almaak.usc.edu> <3.0.1.32.19980428152708.00a4e9f0@mindspring.com> <199804281839.LAA25443@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:47 PM 4/28/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Okay Jane, since you had it for evaluation (what were the circumstances >for which you were evaluating it?), > (I do evals to pick the hardware we buy.) >you can now report to us everything you have to say about it! > Well, I loved it and didn't want to give it back. Hmm... guess you probably want more. My manager has a 560X, so I was able to stare and compare the two up close. I like the 600 much better. It's only .25" thicker than the 560X and really didn't feel appreciably heavier even with the CD-ROM installed (my TP is a 760XL, so they both feel like feathers to me). While I like the 560, I don't like having everything external. With my 760XL, I always leave the CD-ROM installed in the Ultrabay and seldom ever carry the floppy with me. With the 560, the external CD-ROM would mean I would have another "thing" to keep up with if I wanted to carry the CD-ROM with me. The 600 is the best of both worlds - light and convenient. Screen is typical TP TFT screen. Keyboard was good. It comes with the cable to attach the floppy externally so you don't have to figure out how to get it later. I wish the keyboard tilted like the one on the 760. I also wish you could still get to everything by raising the keyboard. You have to have a screwdriver to change drives, and I don't like that. I wish they had left the little LCD panel on it. There was something else I whined about, but I don't remember what it was right now. It was something small, though, I think. What else do you want to know? I don't really have benchmarks to give you if that's what you want. It's fast. It worked. I liked it. I want one. I'd swap my 760XL for the 600 even if it only had 166MHz MMX. (OTOH, my director who has a 560 said the footprint was too big for him even though it meant he got a 13.3" screen.) >the touchpad drove me crazy) > I hate touchpads. I can't control one for squat, and I'm always brushing my thumbs over it making Unexpected Things happen if it's below the keyboard. Jane Oh, I remember what else I was whining about. The cover for the modem jack wasn't attached to the machine. It's about the size of my thumbnail, so I said it'd be gone on never to be seen again about Day 3 if it was mine. I want it anyway. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 23:30:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA278450617; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:30:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16774; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:27:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16658; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16646; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 156.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.156]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA23495 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:26:35 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600]: graphics chipset is Trident -- yay! Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:26:16 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <355a9dcb.56741774@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199804290205.VAA09280@otis.our-town.com> In-Reply-To: <199804290205.VAA09280@otis.our-town.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Apr 98 20:54:09 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, no doubt, but in my experience with a couple of Neo chips, the dos >window is never full screen (at least not in OS2 and maybe in win95, >though I've never really run that) in the 380D I have. > >=========== > >In <355774c1.46233728@mailhost.worldnet.att.net>, on 04/29/98 > at 01:20 AM, epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) said: > >>On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:54:58 -0700, you wrote: >>> I've heard the NeoMagic is a better performer though. >>> >>> Not being interested in Linux, I consider the above news to be a >>>disappointment. >> I'm afraid I've got to say "ditto" to that. I've used the NeoMagic and >>have the Trident in my current 560, and the NeoMagic was one hell of a >>lot better - it's 128-bit, rather than the 64-bit of the Trident, after >>all. >> epbrown >>Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, >>editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. >>http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Apr 28 23:42:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA283121361; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:42:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17654; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:39:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17552; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.dnai.com (mercury.dnai.com [207.181.194.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17536; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marc (dnai-207-181-237-62.dialup.dnai.com [207.181.237.62]) by mercury.dnai.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA25193 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980428203934.0081ead0@disquiet.com> X-Sender: marc@disquiet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:39:34 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Marc Weidenbaum Subject: 701c for sale In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Nicely loaded two-year-old (Word, Win95, FileMaker, etc.) 701c butterfly for sale to highest bidder. I've gone desktop. -Marc PS: One year of warranty left. 415 668 7253 h 415 913 3110 w - - - Marc Weidenbaum http://www.disquiet.com marc@disquiet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 00:05:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA292722755; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:05:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19505; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:03:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19350; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19335; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (190.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.190]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA10858; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3546A7DE.6E346BCA@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:09:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Weidenbaum Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701c for sale References: <3.0.5.32.19980428203934.0081ead0@disquiet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Marc.. which 701c is it.. ? 486-50 or 486-75 ? any stuck on pixels ? Marc Weidenbaum wrote: > Nicely loaded two-year-old (Word, Win95, FileMaker, etc.) 701c butterfly > for sale to highest bidder. I've gone desktop. > > -Marc > > PS: One year of warranty left. > > 415 668 7253 h > 415 913 3110 w > > - - - > > Marc Weidenbaum > http://www.disquiet.com > marc@disquiet.com -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 00:15:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA298633345; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:15:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20058; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:07:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19949; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19925; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p23.hwts16.loop.net (p23.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.38]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA02838; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804290407.VAA02838@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Jane Loyless" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:07:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jane, do you remember what video, PCMCIA, etc. it had in it? Did they say whether OS/2 or UNIX variants would work with it? Also, how heavy was it? I keep hearing mixed reports that it's 5 lbs. or 6.6 lbs. etc. But for me, any size is okay. I have to admit, that SPARCbook is mighty heavy. But I should have it up and running this week. On the topic of weight, anyone know how large a ThinkPad 300 is? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 00:33:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA007164432; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:33:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21595; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:31:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21420; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21392; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (user-38h1u7h.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.248.241]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA31491; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429002436.00a829c0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:24:36 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP 600 In-Reply-To: <199804290407.VAA02838@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:07 PM 4/28/98, Paul Khoury wrote: >Jane, do you remember what video, PCMCIA, etc. it had in it? Did they say whether OS/2 or >UNIX variants would work with it? > >Also, how heavy was it? I keep hearing mixed reports that it's 5 lbs. or 6.6 lbs. etc. > Maximum weight (includes CD-ROM and battery) is supposed to be about 5.5lbs. As far as the rest of the questions, I think most of the answers are in the announcement letter, and it's at: http://www1.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-in/master?xh=logon&xu=guest&request=usa.anno uncements&parms=H_198-10 Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 00:39:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA011194788; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:39:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22322; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:37:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22151; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22057; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA03876 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:35:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804290435.VAA03876@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:36:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Website of TPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, just like last night, my site is online 7-7.5 hours. If all goes well, I might be able to maintain this pattern on most weeknights, so I don't need to add unnessecary traffic to the list. As usual, it's http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org/thinkpad/index.html And to download it, it's http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org/thinkpad/thinkpad_assistant_current_release.zip Anything that's missing or present on the site will be exactly the same on the ZIP file (I hope). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 00:46:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA016415216; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:46:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23015; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:45:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22935; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22921; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA04165; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199804290443.VAA04165@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:43:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Maximum weight (includes CD-ROM and battery) is supposed to be about >5.5lbs. As far as the rest of the questions, I think most of the answers >are in the announcement letter, and it's at: > Wow, that's nice. And with the CD-ROM AND battery, too. Anyone seen the Sony VAIO though? I saw it in a magazine (I think Mobile Computing & Communications), and it's supposed to be less than an inch thick. That'd be nice if it were a ThinkPad. Also, I heard you mention a glidepad. The 600 still has the TrackPoint, right? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 01:06:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029936386; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:06:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24344; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:04:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24027; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24014; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (user-38h1u37.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.248.103]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA16864; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429005746.00a50270@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:57:46 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP 600 In-Reply-To: <199804290443.VAA04165@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:43 PM 4/28/98, Paul Khoury wrote: >Also, I heard you mention a glidepad. The 600 still has the TrackPoint, right? > Huh? Oh, that was just commenting on what Randal had said about the touchpad on his NEC Versa driving him crazy. I was just agreeing. The 600 still has the TrackPoint. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 01:21:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA036487312; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:21:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25110; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:20:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25007; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24994; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id GAA27421 for Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:19:58 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 06:19 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Re: Hot Swaping Ethernet cards To: letoured@sover.net, Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199804272346.TAA15050@pike.sover.net> What FixPack are you running with ? This was a major problem with Warp 3, but was fixed for some ThinkPads (notably 760s) at Warp4 GA. I seem to recall my 755CD needed an early FixPack to allow the card to removed (and live). My new 770 behaves impeccably - I don't even need to have the card inserted at boot time. But that is the IBM Ethernet II Credit Card Adaptor, now discontinued I believe. Also check whether there is a newer PCMCIA driver on the ThinkPad site for your particular model. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 01:32:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA042027942; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:32:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25824; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:30:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25699; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25687; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a7.pm3-32.theriver.com [208.164.96.7]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28798; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:30:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199804290530.WAA28798@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 22:33:45 -0700 To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser), letoured@sover.net, Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Hot Swaping Ethernet cards X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In , on 04/29/98 at 06:19 AM, g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) said: >In-Reply-To: <199804272346.TAA15050@pike.sover.net> >What FixPack are you running with ? This was a major problem with >Warp 3, but was fixed for some ThinkPads (notably 760s) at Warp4 GA. >I seem to recall my 755CD needed an early FixPack to allow the card >to removed (and live). My new 770 behaves impeccably - I don't even >need to have the card inserted at boot time. But that is the IBM >Ethernet II Credit Card Adaptor, now discontinued I believe. Also >check whether there is a newer PCMCIA driver on the ThinkPad site >for your particular model. New drivers are out for the 760 series and OS/2 as of about a week ago. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 05:07:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA131370822; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:07:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04296; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:04:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04115; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net [206.141.239.142]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04103; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x.drift.com ([199.179.164.189]) by mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.01 118 111) with SMTP id <19980429085629.HVHC23657@x.drift.com> for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:56:29 -0500 Message-Id: <004d01bd734c$9ed35280$0c336120@x.drift.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: TP 600 - TP770E - Upgradable CPU's yet? Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:55:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >As far as the rest of the questions, I think most of the answers >are in the announcement letter, and it's at: > >http://www1.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-in/master?xh=logon&xu=guest&request=usa.ann o >uncements&parms=H_198-10 > >Jane Thanks for your first hand impression of the 600, Jane. I agree with you on unscrewing to get to the disk drive. I like the easy access bays as well. I have a LOT of questions still ;) Anyone? Does the mobile Pentium II run a 100mhz or 60mhz memory bus? Given the lackluster performance boost a Pentium II offers over a Pentium MMX (10-35% says Intel website http://developer.intel.com/design/mobile/mobile_pentiumII.htm ) whats the benefit of these new, (more expensive) models over the existing (discounted) Pentium MMX counterparts? Are these new 266mhz processors upgradable when say 400mhz is available? 450? Won't laptop clock speeds jump as quickly as desktops have? Will these newer models ease that upgrade path for me or just for IBM engineers? Disk and memory are (finally) commodity/open parts in a laptop, when will the processor be too? I ask this because the processor in my 755CD (still under warranty) is the only part requiring an upgrade. I have no option to bring my (75mhz) proc to 200 something. I think this machine is reliable and still has life, it seems a waste to make them so disposable by not designing in reasonable proc upgrade paths. Desktops now have faster proc upgrade paths with Pentium II. Is this true of laptops too? With the Pentium II, Intel has changed the form factor, memory packaging, and increased power consumption all for a 20% increase in performance. There must be more to it. Why do I want one of these? Aaron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 09:34:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA242386863; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:34:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19276; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:29:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18577; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10260; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-150.usc.edu [128.125.223.150]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA24345; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804290047.RAA24345@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:47:56 -0700 To: Jane Loyless From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 600 Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980428203013.00a4f620@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <199804290031.RAA20591@almaak.usc.edu> <3.0.1.32.19980428152708.00a4e9f0@mindspring.com> <199804281839.LAA25443@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:30 PM 4/28/98 , Jane Loyless wrote: >At 05:13 PM 4/28/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> ...and the model of computer this 266 P-II you have is...? >> > >Oh, sorry, it was a TP600 I had for eval - had to give it back (well, they >threatened to chop off my hands if I didn't let go of it...) Okay Jane, since you had it for evaluation (what were the circumstances for which you were evaluating it?), you can now report to us everything you have to say about it! I have to be honest--after getting the NEC Versa 5000 series (which I'm selling now, after using it a week...nice machine, but its not quite on par with ThinkPads, and the touchpad drove me crazy), which is quite close to the 600 in main features and size/weight, my TP 560 seems to be quite feathery by comparison. I *want* a 600...but the more I go back to using my 560 while the Versa 5084X is packed up for sale, the more I realize how much that extra 1" in depth, 1/4" in thickness, and nearly 1 lb. of weight makes a difference. If they'd just give me an XGA screen...perhaps even keeping it at 12.1" (ideal if they could give me 13.3") on a 560, I'd buy one of them instead. As it stands, I've got my eye on a 600, whenever the price comes down from out of the stratosphere... So I'd like to read your review... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 09:34:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA242546871; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:34:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19283; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:28:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18470; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09164; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-150.usc.edu [128.125.223.150]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA20591; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804290031.RAA20591@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:13:37 -0700 To: Jane Loyless From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 600 Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980428152708.00a4e9f0@mindspring.com> References: <199804281839.LAA25443@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:27 PM 4/28/98 , Jane Loyless wrote: >At 11:39 AM 4/28/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > >>...and one last thing--I'd like to know if either of the Pentium II models >>run hot enough that it would actually be uncomfortable (Read: Burns) on my >>lap if I sit on the couch and use it as I am often wont to do. If that is >>the case, I should perhaps consider not getting a P-II. >> > >I was curious about this too, so I left the 266 PII I had sitting on my >workbench all day to see how hot it would get - the bottom was barely warm >to the touch by late afternoon. YMMV. ...and the model of computer this 266 P-II you have is...? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 09:52:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA252727942; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:52:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20621; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:45:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18953; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24945; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id GAA27396 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:19:49 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 06:19 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Re: Floppy formats To: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35396652.1865457@core.iconnet.net> Assuming the file is in .DSK format, you could use DIUNPACK.EXE (contained in fastkick.zip on hobbes) to unpack the disk image to a dasd directory, then copy the files to a diskette with a density of your own choice. -------- Original Message -------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 19 04:01:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-relay.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA29164 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 04:01:06 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21653; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:58:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21629; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21584; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from client-151-197-120-68.bellatlantic.net (client-151-197-120-68.bellatlantic.net [151.197.120.68]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id WAA04480 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net (Sir Gwynz) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Floppy formats Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:57:06 GMT Message-ID: <35396652.1865457@core.iconnet.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Apparently-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk I'm trying to access some older drivers off the IBM site, but it requires a low density floppy to extract to. Unfortunately the external floppy drive of my 365XD doesn't seem to support formatting to low density format!! Is this really so? If it is, is there another way of extracting the files from the archive? Why can't they use ZIP or ARJ, why do they have to make things so difficult!! Thanks for any help. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 09:59:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA255388397; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:59:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18967; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:28:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18382; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04061; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a15.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.143]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24361 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:39:17 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35465AEA.D6C80656@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:40:42 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Discussion Group Subject: Thinkpad 760E/X files page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If you own a 760E/X check out the Thinkpad files page... http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/5a22.html There are MANY new files on this page. James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 10:13:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA262199204; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:13:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22714; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:11:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22575; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slipgate.keysolutions.com ([204.96.52.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22542; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by slipgate.keysolutions.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 852565F5.004DD497 ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:10:06 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: KEY ENTERPRISE SOLUTIONS From: "Ken K. Yee" To: "Aaron W. Brown" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Message-Id: <852565F5.004DAB30.00@slipgate.keysolutions.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:10:05 -0400 Subject: Re: TP 600 - TP770E - Upgradable CPU's yet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 04/29/98 04:55:54 AM, Aaron W. Brown wrote: > Are these new 266mhz processors upgradable when say 400mhz is > available? These questions are related to my earlier question of whether IBM used Intels MMO (Pentium II mobile module/card). The only way to find out is if someone disassembles one of these new thinkpads. Current MMO's are 66MHz only. ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 10:37:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA275050673; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:37:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18869; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:26:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18280; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15084; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.83]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18312; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:01:30 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: , "thinkpad" Subject: Re: 760CD + win95 + 64 MB = big problem! Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:58:42 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980428190128.AAA18312@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There was a known problem with the early IBM DIMM carriers. Contact them as to warranty replacement ---------- > From: cslater@jwpepper.com > To: thinkpad > Subject: 760CD + win95 + 64 MB = big problem! > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 1:31 PM > > My office has three 760CD Thinkpads, on which we run a variety of > operating systems, including Warp 4 and Windows95. Most systems are set > up with OS2's Boot Manager. In all cases, BIOS level is up to date. > > We have gradually updated the models, adding to memory and installing > larger hard drives. We have now brought three of them up to 64 MB, by > installing 2 x 32 SIMM's (DIMM's?) from Apricorn. We now find that we > cannot boot up Windows95. > > The symptom is that Win95 starts to boot, but just before it begins to > paint its screen, the screen becomes filled with garbage. This extreme > video corruption persists, requiring a hard shutdown. > > All systems are running the current version of the Cyber9320 video > driver. They all worked before we added the second 32 MB. Furthermore, > if we swap out one of the 32 MB and replace it with a 16 MB, they will > work. It is only the combination of 2 x 32 MB that fails. We have tried > moving the memory around, swapping from system to system, trying just one > SIMM, running startup tests, and so on. In all cases, the memory and > display test out OK, but the combination of 2 x 32 fails. The system > will boot if we boot in safe mode and change video to plain VGA or > Trident SVGA. > > Curiously, OS2 boots just fine. > > Since this behavior persists consistently on three different 760CD's, I > have to conclude that there is a serious problem here. Can anyone please > give me some guidance on how to get this thing working, or let me know if > this is a known problem and we can't??? > > Thanks! > > > > > -- > . Charles Slater The Pepper Music Network > . P.O. Box 850 Valley Forge, PA 19482 > . 1-800-345-6296 Fax: 610-993-0563 > . cslater@jwpepper.com http://www.jwpepper.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 11:19:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA295553188; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:19:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26813; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:16:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26714; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26699; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA30330 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:09:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 29 Apr 98 17:11:20 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 29 Apr 98 17:09:50 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de.0.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA (132.187.248.176) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 29 Apr 98 17:09:49 +0200 From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:10:06 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 760E/X files page Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:40:42 -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: >If you own a 760E/X check out the Thinkpad files page... > >http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/5a22.html > >There are MANY new files on this page. As I've seen most of them deal with "new model support". Missed anything? -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 12:25:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA031847100; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:25:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02509; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:21:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02346; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01651; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA17213; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:21:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:21:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: "Aaron W. Brown" Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 600 - TP770E - Pentium II vs. Pentium In-Reply-To: <004d01bd734c$9ed35280$0c336120@x.drift.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wednesday, 29th April 1998, Aaron W. Brown wrote: > Given the lackluster performance boost a Pentium II offers over a Pentium > MMX ( 10-35%, says Intel website > http://developer.intel.com/design/mobile/mobile_pentiumII.htm ), what's > the benefit of these new (more expensive) models over the existing > (discounted) Pentium MMX counterparts? No F00F bug? It's difficult to imagine that Intel doesn't have an "advantages of the Pentium II over the Pentium" page _somewhere_ on their Web site. > Why do I want one of these? You're asking us? ;*) Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 13:04:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA053349496; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:04:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05035; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:01:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04889; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04864; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (149.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.149]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA15145; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35475DD5.B0F165C1@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:05:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Cc: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Floppy formats References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Gerry.. there is a DOS command which should foprmat a floppy to whatever ancient format that you might need.. you might just NOT have the correct floppy.. if it calls for a 720k floppy just cover the little square hole on a HD floppy and.. VIOLA..!! a low densitry floppy.. :-) Gerry Prosser wrote: > In-Reply-To: <35396652.1865457@core.iconnet.net> > Assuming the file is in .DSK format, you could use DIUNPACK.EXE > (contained in fastkick.zip on hobbes) to unpack the disk image to a dasd > directory, then copy the files to a diskette with a density of your own > choice. > > -------- Original Message -------- > > >From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Apr 19 04:01:07 1998 > Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) > by mail-relay.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA29164 > for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 04:01:06 > +0100 (BST) > X-Envelope-From: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id WAA21653; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:59:07 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:58:45 > -0400 > Received: > by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id WAA21629; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net > [199.173.162.30]) > by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id WAA21584; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:57:21 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from client-151-197-120-68.bellatlantic.net > (client-151-197-120-68.bellatlantic.net [151.197.120.68]) > by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id > WAA04480 > for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:55:57 -0400 (EDT) > From: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net (Sir Gwynz) > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Floppy formats > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:57:06 GMT > Message-ID: <35396652.1865457@core.iconnet.net> > References: > In-Reply-To: > X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Apparently-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk > > I'm trying to access some older drivers off the IBM site, > but it requires a low density floppy to extract to. > Unfortunately the external floppy drive of my 365XD doesn't > seem to support formatting to low density format!! Is this > really so? If it is, is there another way of extracting > the files from the archive? Why can't they use ZIP or ARJ, > why do they have to make things so difficult!! Thanks > for any help. -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 13:18:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA059580293; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:18:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05906; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:14:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05799; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edson.ee.ualberta.ca (root@edson.ee.ualberta.ca [129.128.16.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05780; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miranda.ualberta.ca (miranda.ee.ualberta.ca [129.128.68.54]) by edson.ee.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19727 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by miranda.ualberta.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA02500; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:21:59 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:21:59 -0600 From: sdew@ee.ualberta.ca (Steve Dew) Message-Id: <199804291621.KAA02500@miranda.ualberta.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Battery life? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I've had my TP 365XD DSTN for about 18 months now, mostly running Linux. Originally, I couldn't get more than about 1h of battery life even with light duty (no floppy, CD access, PC cards) and APM enabled. Now, after about 1 month of disuse, I only get 30 min. which is not acceptable. Charging time seems a bit fast - maybe 20 minutes. Does this sound like a) bad battery (NiMH) b) bad charger c) bad sensor ? If b) or c), does anyone have any idea what IBM is likely to charge to fix it? If a new battery is the answer, am I likely to beat $110 US ($154 Can.) by much? (That price for an official IBM one.) Thanks! Steve (sdew@ee.ualberta.ca) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 15:52:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA138169526; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:52:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15021; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:35:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14711; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14670; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA14542; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:35:05 -1000 Message-Id: <001f01bd73a5$fe0ffa60$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" Subject: Re: TP 600 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:35:34 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal Whittle wrote: > I *want* a 600...but the more I go back to using my 560 while the = Versa >5084X is packed up for sale, the more I realize how much that extra 1" = in >depth, 1/4" in thickness, and nearly 1 lb. of weight makes a = difference. I think here's an interesting psychological effect here. Anyone who's = accustomed to a 4 pound machine (e.g. Randal, me) will see a 5 pound = machine as a 25% increase, which is quite noticeable and substantial. = Anyone who is used to 7 pound machines will perceive the difference on = the '7 pound scale', i.e. a difference of 1/7, or less than 15%. BTW, I think in practice the 1/4" thickness differential is negligible, = but the 1" depth differential is very important - the machine will no = longer be the depth of a standard sheet of US paper. For me, moving to = the 560 from the 701 was most annoying in that the width increased from = less than the length of a standard page to greater than it. Almost made = me switch to A4. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 17:05:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174253911; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:05:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21717; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:57:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21164; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21141; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a12.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.76]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12894; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:56:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35479463.FAEC0DBA@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:58:11 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Wagner Cc: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Thinkpad 760E/X files page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu They tend to "hide" minor fixes in the updates. Also, you MUST get the 'new' Utility Disk 1. James Alexander Wagner wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:40:42 -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: > > >If you own a 760E/X check out the Thinkpad files page... > > > >http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/5a22.html > > > >There are MANY new files on this page. > > As I've seen most of them deal with "new model support". Missed > anything? > -- > > CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 #294 > Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken > Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 17:11:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA177684268; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:11:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22583; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:07:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22080; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iserv.net (mail.iserv.net [204.177.184.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22068; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tech-6 (tech-6.iserv.net [206.114.47.59]) by mail.iserv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP idi for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:07:45 -0400 (EDT)RAA11249 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:07:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:05:33 -0400 Message-Id: <01BD7391.0575F2B0.will@iserv.net> From: William Maitner Reply-To: "will@iserv.net" To: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:05:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 17:48:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA195296485; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:48:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22902; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:08:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22308; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22257; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a12.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.76]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15264; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:08:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3547972A.187EBF9F@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:10:02 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Dew Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery life? References: <199804291621.KAA02500@miranda.ualberta.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu a. Your battery is dying. You can try to "deep cycle" the battery using the fuel program and discharging and recharging the battery a couple of times. I recommend one discharge/recharge cycle then discharging the battery through use, then a second cycle. If this does not bring the battery back, be prepared to buy a new one. James Steve Dew wrote: > Hi, > > I've had my TP 365XD DSTN for about 18 months now, mostly running Linux. > Originally, I couldn't get more than about 1h of battery life even > with light duty (no floppy, CD access, PC cards) and APM enabled. Now, after > about 1 month of disuse, I only get 30 min. which is not acceptable. > Charging time seems a bit fast - maybe 20 minutes. > > Does this sound like > a) bad battery (NiMH) > b) bad charger > c) bad sensor > ? > > If b) or c), does anyone have any idea what IBM is likely to charge to > fix it? If a new battery is the answer, am I likely to beat $110 US > ($154 Can.) by much? (That price for an official IBM one.) > > Thanks! > Steve > > (sdew@ee.ualberta.ca) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 19:01:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA233970896; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:01:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29149; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:57:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28777; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28763; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 226.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.226]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA19607 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:57:19 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: TP 600 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:56:59 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <3564afbe.61067631@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199804290443.VAA04165@ritchie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199804290443.VAA04165@ritchie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:43:55 , you wrote: >Anyone seen the Sony VAIO though? I saw it in a magazine (I think Mobile Computing & Communications), >and it's supposed to be less than an inch thick. That'd be nice if it were a ThinkPad. The SONY VAIOs are actually what I think IBM was shooting for with the 600 series. However, the only VAIO model less than 1" thick is the 505, which has a 10.4" SVGA display, P133 chip, and weighs about 3lbs. SONY is supposed to release a US model in June 1998. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 19:26:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA244432396; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:26:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00851; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:23:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00497; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00482; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (94.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.222]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA11943; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3547B7C6.843DEACB@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:29:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: James Mckenzie Cc: Steve Dew , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery life? References: <199804291621.KAA02500@miranda.ualberta.ca> <3547972A.187EBF9F@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I understand a night in the freezer while fully charged can regenerate a battery.. James Mckenzie wrote: > a. Your battery is dying. You can try to "deep cycle" the battery using the > fuel program and discharging and recharging the battery a couple of times. I > recommend one discharge/recharge cycle then discharging the battery through use, > then a second cycle. If this does not bring the battery back, be prepared to buy > a new one. > > James > > Steve Dew wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've had my TP 365XD DSTN for about 18 months now, mostly running Linux. > > Originally, I couldn't get more than about 1h of battery life even > > with light duty (no floppy, CD access, PC cards) and APM enabled. Now, after > > about 1 month of disuse, I only get 30 min. which is not acceptable. > > Charging time seems a bit fast - maybe 20 minutes. > > > > Does this sound like > > a) bad battery (NiMH) > > b) bad charger > > c) bad sensor > > ? > > > > If b) or c), does anyone have any idea what IBM is likely to charge to > > fix it? If a new battery is the answer, am I likely to beat $110 US > > ($154 Can.) by much? (That price for an official IBM one.) > > > > Thanks! > > Steve > > > > (sdew@ee.ualberta.ca) -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 19:50:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA256503831; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:50:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02649; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:47:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02322; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02297; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-032.usc.edu [128.125.223.32]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA01769 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:44:44 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: A quick ad... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I know this might be sacrilege, this being a list full of ThinkPadders, but if anyone is interested, I'm listing on Ebay the Versa 5084X I recently purchased--as you are well aware, I just couldn't deal with the touchpad vs. IBM's Trackpoint. If you or anyone you know is interested in getting a hell of a deal--and I mean something on the order of $1,000 off the new price of one of these (and I used it only 1 week), have them point their browsers to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=12533547 Its a 3-day auction so it will be over by Saturday, late afternoon. Thanks for your indulgence... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 19:53:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA258594009; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:53:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01349; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:25:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00704; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00673; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (94.p1.Ascend13.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.169.222]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA12400; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3547B825.6052E0C5@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:30:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 600 References: <199804290443.VAA04165@ritchie.loop.com> <3564afbe.61067631@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Take a look at the h/p Sojourn.. 3/4inch thick with a 14.1TFT display, P-II 266.. no CD of course, but it sure is thin.. :-) Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:43:55 , you wrote: > >Anyone seen the Sony VAIO though? I saw it in a magazine (I think Mobile Computing & Communications), > >and it's supposed to be less than an inch thick. That'd be nice if it were a ThinkPad. > > The SONY VAIOs are actually what I think IBM was shooting for with > the 600 series. However, the only VAIO model less than 1" thick is the > 505, which has a 10.4" SVGA display, P133 chip, and weighs about 3lbs. > SONY is supposed to release a US model in June 1998. > epbrown > Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, > editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. > http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 20:10:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA265105023; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:10:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04056; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:06:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03688; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03675; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a33.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.33]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18722; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:06:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3547C0E3.FE8BEA8E@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:08:03 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow Cc: Steve Dew , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery life? References: <199804291621.KAA02500@miranda.ualberta.ca> <3547972A.187EBF9F@theriver.com> <3547B7C6.843DEACB@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Never tried that with a NiMH battery...Maybe I should have. James Bill Morrow wrote: > I understand a night in the freezer while fully charged can regenerate a battery.. > > James Mckenzie wrote: > > > a. Your battery is dying. You can try to "deep cycle" the battery using the > > fuel program and discharging and recharging the battery a couple of times. I > > recommend one discharge/recharge cycle then discharging the battery through use, > > then a second cycle. If this does not bring the battery back, be prepared to buy > > a new one. > > > > James > > > > Steve Dew wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've had my TP 365XD DSTN for about 18 months now, mostly running Linux. > > > Originally, I couldn't get more than about 1h of battery life even > > > with light duty (no floppy, CD access, PC cards) and APM enabled. Now, after > > > about 1 month of disuse, I only get 30 min. which is not acceptable. > > > Charging time seems a bit fast - maybe 20 minutes. > > > > > > Does this sound like > > > a) bad battery (NiMH) > > > b) bad charger > > > c) bad sensor > > > ? > > > > > > If b) or c), does anyone have any idea what IBM is likely to charge to > > > fix it? If a new battery is the answer, am I likely to beat $110 US > > > ($154 Can.) by much? (That price for an official IBM one.) > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Steve > > > > > > (sdew@ee.ualberta.ca) > > -- > Bill Morrow > http://thinkpads.com > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 20:19:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA269365554; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:19:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04952; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:16:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04617; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04605; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.13] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Wed, 29 Apr 98 19:16:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:15:37 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: A quick ad... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Randal Whittle Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:44:44 -0700 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=12533547 Shouldn't that be http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=12533547 I get an input error trying the link you sent. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/29/98, 19:15:35 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 20:27:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA274996076; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:27:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05987; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:24:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05576; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05542; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-032.usc.edu [128.125.223.32]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA12228; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804300023.RAA12228@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:23:14 -0700 To: mdavis1@airmail.net From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: A quick ad... Cc: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:15 PM 4/29/98 , Mark O. Davis wrote: >** Reply to note from Randal Whittle Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:44:44 -0700 >Shouldn't that be > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=12533547 > >I get an input error trying the link you sent. You're right--I don't know how that happened, as I copied it directly from Ebay when I finished putting the ad together. Thank you for the correction. (And sorry to suck up the bandwidth on the TP list!) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 20:29:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA275676176; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:29:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06378; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:25:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05876; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05753; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-009-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.105]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24107; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3547C50C.4FEDF014@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:25:48 -0600 From: Ray Bay Organization: Fermat Fibonacci X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 600 References: <199804290443.VAA04165@ritchie.loop.com> <3564afbe.61067631@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I like the Vaio and the new HP as well as the IBM... but the VAIO's I have reviewed have all run a lot hotter than I think is good... I see earlier failure rates unless they get those temperatures down. Take a look at the new HP Pentium II's as I am very impressed so far. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 21:37:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA010000260; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:37:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09447; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:33:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09141; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us [164.107.107.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09128; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA15063; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pcarter@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA09066; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Carter Subject: Re: Battery life? To: Bill Morrow Cc: James Mckenzie , Steve Dew , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3547B7C6.843DEACB@icanect.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No, but it can destroy it. NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 23:53:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA083758405; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:53:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15057; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:50:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14919; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14892; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:50:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates ([206.96.182.72]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27059 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:50:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199804300350.WAA27059@sh1.ro.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 22:48:42 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Hot Swaping Ethernet cards X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) said the following on the auspicious date of 98-04-29: >In-Reply-To: <199804272346.TAA15050@pike.sover.net> >What FixPack are you running with ? This was a major problem with Warp 3, > but was fixed for some ThinkPads (notably 760s) at Warp4 GA. I seem to >recall my 755CD needed an early FixPack to allow the card to removed (and > live). My new 770 behaves impeccably - I don't even need to have the >card inserted at boot time. Cool! My Home & Away adapter needs to be inserted at boot in my 765D for it work, but swicthing cards around after that works fine. If the card isn't in at boot, ethernet just doesn't work -- no errors. Might this be a software problem > But that is the IBM Ethernet II Credit Card >Adaptor, now discontinued I believe. Also check whether there is a newer >PCMCIA driver on the ThinkPad site for your particular model. -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://xzalpha.ml.org/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup UAH-SEDS http://uah.seds.org/ Future author of: "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Apr 29 23:58:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA085838702; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:58:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15672; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:56:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15504; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15482; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a43.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.107]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02537; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:55:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3547F69B.1939F959@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:57:16 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jeffj@ro.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hot Swaping Ethernet cards References: <199804300350.WAA27059@sh1.ro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think that I posted there is a new PC-Card service file at the Thinkpad files area. This might "fix" this problem. James jeffj@ro.com wrote: > g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) said the following on the > auspicious date of 98-04-29: > > >In-Reply-To: <199804272346.TAA15050@pike.sover.net> > >What FixPack are you running with ? This was a major problem with Warp 3, > > but was fixed for some ThinkPads (notably 760s) at Warp4 GA. I seem to > >recall my 755CD needed an early FixPack to allow the card to removed (and > > live). My new 770 behaves impeccably - I don't even need to have the > >card inserted at boot time. > > Cool! My Home & Away adapter needs to be inserted at boot in my 765D for > it work, but swicthing cards around after that works fine. If the card > isn't in at boot, ethernet just doesn't work -- no errors. > > Might this be a software problem > > > But that is the IBM Ethernet II Credit Card > >Adaptor, now discontinued I believe. Also check whether there is a newer > >PCMCIA driver on the ThinkPad site for your particular model. > > -------------------------------------------------- > Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream > > Jeff Jackowski http://xzalpha.ml.org/~jeffj/ > OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup > UAH-SEDS http://uah.seds.org/ > Future author of: > "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 00:26:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA098630417; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:26:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17801; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:24:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17693; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17671; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:24:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates ([206.96.182.72]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA00794 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:24:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199804300424.XAA00794@sh1.ro.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 23:20:10 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New support forums gone? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just went looking for these new support forums everyone's been complaining about and can't find them. The email I got from IBM about it said: -------------------------------------------------- To access the IBM discussion forums, go to http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support and select the FORUMS option. -------------------------------------------------- I checked that URL and there is no forums option, link, or anything else. There is a ThinkPad link, but that leads to their regular support pages that have been around for some time. Am I missing something? -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://xzalpha.ml.org/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup UAH-SEDS http://uah.seds.org/ Future author of: "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 00:41:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA105991288; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:41:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18826; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:40:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18743; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18722; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (202.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.202]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA02909; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354801E3.39E0071A@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:45:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jeffj@ro.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New support forums gone? References: <199804300424.XAA00794@sh1.ro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Rumor has it that IBM will be setting up support forums, but that any posts will need to be checked by IBM before they are allowed to appear.. jeffj@ro.com wrote: > I just went looking for these new support forums everyone's been > complaining about and can't find them. The email I got from IBM about it > said: > > -------------------------------------------------- > To access the IBM discussion forums, go to > http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support and select the FORUMS option. > -------------------------------------------------- > > I checked that URL and there is no forums option, link, or anything else. > There is a ThinkPad link, but that leads to their regular support pages > that have been around for some time. > > Am I missing something? > > -------------------------------------------------- > Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream > > Jeff Jackowski http://xzalpha.ml.org/~jeffj/ > OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup > UAH-SEDS http://uah.seds.org/ > Future author of: > "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 00:44:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA106881444; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:44:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19180; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:42:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18981; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18910; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (202.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.202]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA03268; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35480258.D8214434@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:47:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Carter Cc: James Mckenzie , Steve Dew , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery life? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Interesting, since others have done this and reported success.. perhaps it'll only work on NiCAD..!? Philip Carter wrote: > No, but it can destroy it. > > NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 > pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us > Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR > wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 00:54:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA110752087; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:54:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20317; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:52:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20178; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20164; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts06.loop.net (p03.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.198]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA21028 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804300452.VAA21028@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 17:50:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New ThinkPad Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, my ThinkPad 300 came. It has an 85MB HD and 4MB of RAM (and Kingston's 8MB upgrade costs $150!!!). The screen is really broken, but it's surprisingly fast for a 386SL-25. I'm installing Warp 3 on it (since DOS isn't usable to me now). So since I now have it, I will probably make some changes to the ThinkPad Assistant when I get the rest of it done (so I have the original, and my modifications). Also, I put on 2 of the 755 DX4 models today, and I should be on tonight around 9:00pm PST. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 01:03:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115012600; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:03:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21135; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:00:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21036; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.nwnexus.com (smtp4.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21023; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:00:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from newmicronpc (evt-lx100-ip31.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.31]) by smtp4.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA16874; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980429220114.006aede0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: karensw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:01:14 -0700 To: , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New support forums gone? In-Reply-To: <199804300424.XAA00794@sh1.ro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:20 PM 4/29/98 -0500, jeffj@ro.com wrote: >I just went looking for these new support forums everyone's been >complaining about and can't find them. The email I got from IBM about it >said: > >-------------------------------------------------- >To access the IBM discussion forums, go to >http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support and select the FORUMS option. >-------------------------------------------------- > >I checked that URL and there is no forums option, link, or anything else. >There is a ThinkPad link, but that leads to their regular support pages >that have been around for some time. > >Am I missing something? I'll bet you have to "log in". I looked at the form and found the requirement of providing a serial number of my machine a bit much and didn't go any further. Karen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 01:19:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA124043592; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:19:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22087; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:18:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21977; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21951; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts12.loop.net (p27.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.162]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24163 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <199804300516.WAA24163@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: <199804300516.WAA24163@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "epbrown@enteract.com" Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 22:16:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:56:59 GMT, Emanuel Brown wrote: >On Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:43:55 , you wrote: >>Anyone seen the Sony VAIO though? I saw it in a magazine (I think Mobile Computing & Communications), >>and it's supposed to be less than an inch thick. That'd be nice if it were a ThinkPad. > > The SONY VAIOs are actually what I think IBM was shooting for with >the 600 series. However, the only VAIO model less than 1" thick is the >505, which has a 10.4" SVGA display, P133 chip, and weighs about 3lbs. >SONY is supposed to release a US model in June 1998. It looks like a very nice machine, but the only caveats for me would be OS support, the Glidepoint (I have to suffer with one on my TP 300 as it has no Trackpoint), and it being fragile. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 01:22:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA124833737; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:22:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22580; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:20:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22393; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22294; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts12.loop.net (p27.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.162]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24320; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804300517.WAA24320@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "James Mckenzie" Cc: "Steve Dew" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 22:17:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Battery life? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:29:10 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >I understand a night in the freezer while fully charged can regenerate a battery.. > It seems quite ironic also that batteries in the freezer/fridge last longer, while batteries running in a hot environment last longer. You'd think the opposite. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 01:24:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA126173877; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:24:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23043; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:22:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22666; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22632; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts12.loop.net (p27.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.162]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24751; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804300521.WAA24751@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "jeffj@ro.com" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 22:21:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New support forums gone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:45:23 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Rumor has it that IBM will be setting up support forums, but that any posts >will need to be checked by IBM before they are allowed to appear.. > Okay, I really agree that it probably stinks. Sounds like the IBM cops are going to be worse than AOL. Is this so nobody complains about their products? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 01:32:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA128884351; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:32:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23872; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:31:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23778; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23758; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (202.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.202]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA25452; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35480DF0.D1B70281@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:36:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: karensw@halcyon.com Cc: jeffj@ro.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New support forums gone? References: <3.0.3.32.19980429220114.006aede0@mail.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My fear is that the IBM Support site will become the 'company store'... we all know that IBM will only tell users so much, and no more.. i don't yet see the forums on the ibm support site.. karensw@halcyon.com wrote: > At 11:20 PM 4/29/98 -0500, jeffj@ro.com wrote: > >I just went looking for these new support forums everyone's been > >complaining about and can't find them. The email I got from IBM about it > >said: > > > >-------------------------------------------------- > >To access the IBM discussion forums, go to > >http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support and select the FORUMS option. > >-------------------------------------------------- > > > >I checked that URL and there is no forums option, link, or anything else. > >There is a ThinkPad link, but that leads to their regular support pages > >that have been around for some time. > > > >Am I missing something? > > I'll bet you have to "log in". I looked at the form and found the > requirement of providing a serial number of my machine a bit much and > didn't go any further. > > Karen -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 01:35:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA129654505; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:35:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24300; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:33:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24088; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24069; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a43.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.107]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19821; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:33:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35480D7D.BD970EDB@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:34:54 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: Bill Morrow , "jeffj@ro.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: New support forums gone? References: <199804300521.WAA24751@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu None of my posts were edited. I think that IBM will only remove posts which are inflamatory, of a commercial nature or contain profanity. Otherwise, messages are fair game....(and I've been considered "off topic" but politely told to post in another area.) James Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:45:23 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >Rumor has it that IBM will be setting up support forums, but that any posts > >will need to be checked by IBM before they are allowed to appear.. > > > Okay, I really agree that it probably stinks. Sounds like the IBM cops are going > to be worse than AOL. Is this so nobody complains about their products? > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 01:38:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA131504728; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:38:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24928; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:37:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24796; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24784; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a43.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.107]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20458; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:37:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35480E5F.8AEB934B@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:38:39 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow Cc: karensw@halcyon.com, jeffj@ro.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New support forums gone? References: <3.0.3.32.19980429220114.006aede0@mail.halcyon.com> <35480DF0.D1B70281@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You have to 'logon' to the support site in order to 'see' the support forum selection. As to the "company store" option, I don't see that there. They appreciate assistance from other users. For example, one of the "threads" is on printing problems with a 760C from Warp 4. There is a known problem with the spooler and certain printers. The IBM rep did not know the address for Warp fixes, however I do and posted it. I'm guessing this is the purpose of the "forums", much like the Best of OS/2 forum (not hosted nor run by IBM.) James Bill Morrow wrote: > My fear is that the IBM Support site will become the 'company store'... > we all know that IBM will only tell users so much, and no more.. > > i don't yet see the forums on the ibm support site.. > > karensw@halcyon.com wrote: > > > At 11:20 PM 4/29/98 -0500, jeffj@ro.com wrote: > > >I just went looking for these new support forums everyone's been > > >complaining about and can't find them. The email I got from IBM about it > > >said: > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- > > >To access the IBM discussion forums, go to > > >http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support and select the FORUMS option. > > >-------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >I checked that URL and there is no forums option, link, or anything else. > > >There is a ThinkPad link, but that leads to their regular support pages > > >that have been around for some time. > > > > > >Am I missing something? > > > > I'll bet you have to "log in". I looked at the form and found the > > requirement of providing a serial number of my machine a bit much and > > didn't go any further. > > > > Karen > > -- > Bill Morrow > http://thinkpads.com > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 01:55:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA140785729; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:55:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26069; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:54:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25964; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25951; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts04.loop.net (p14.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.149]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA28250; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804300553.WAA28250@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "karensw@halcyon.com" Cc: "jeffj@ro.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 22:53:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New support forums gone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:36:48 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >My fear is that the IBM Support site will become the 'company store'... >we all know that IBM will only tell users so much, and no more.. Sounds more like Apple to me. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 02:16:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA150176989; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:16:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27477; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:15:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27395; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27381; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p08.hwts13.loop.net (p08.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.173]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA00551 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804300615.XAA00551@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 23:15:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, the server is online again - pkhoury.dyn.ml.org/thinkpad/index.html And to see a directory listing, it's pkhoury.dyn.ml.org/thinkpad/thinkpad.dir To save list bandwidth, just make a bookmark, and try comming here. If the site is down, try later, in 15-60 minute increments. It should be up after 9:30-10:00PM PST. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 04:16:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA206094178; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:16:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08136; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:14:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08015; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (root@rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.33.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08003; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.96.1]) by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA28152 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:14:30 +0200 Received: from linne.uke.uni-hamburg.de by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de; (5.65/imdm-2.0) id AA13401; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:16:25 +0200 Message-Id: <35483302.7D7F@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:14:58 +0200 From: Thorsten Jaekel Reply-To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de Organization: UKE Hamburg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600 video chipset? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IBM=B4s website has a new page describing the specs for the 600 series: http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwovseries/ThinkPad+600 It says NM2160 for the video chipset which is the neomagic that is in the 560, isn=B4t it? Earlier someone said here that they had changed this= - I don=B4t remember to what. (Anyway, I have been waiting for the 560X prices to fall in Germany, but now I think I will get a 600. The Tillamook model with the 13" DSTN, which supports 1024x768 is actually cheaper (in Germany) than the 560X with the 12.1" 800x600... but who cares.) Just thaught the video chipset thing was interesting. Thorsten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 10:33:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA075766794; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:33:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29842; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:26:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29373; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29360; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.10] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Thu, 30 Apr 98 09:25:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:25:17 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: New support forums gone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from James Mckenzie Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:38:39 -0700 > You have to 'logon' to the support site in order to 'see' the support forum > selection. As to the "company store" option, I don't see that there. They > appreciate assistance from other users. Further upthread, someone mentioned a suspicion that IBM would have to approve every posting on the support forums. If they do, they are using some form of automation; I posted a message and it appeared within 5 seconds. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/30/98, 09:25:15 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 12:58:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA146115529; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:58:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10747; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:55:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10573; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10560; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804301655.MAA10560@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Fri, 29 Apr 1988 9:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 09:55:13 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm pretty sure the VAIO also runs the NeoMagic video chip, which means you can run any operating system you want as long as it's windows. On Wed, 29 Apr 98 22:16:14, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:56:59 GMT, Emanuel Brown wrote: > >>On Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:43:55 , you wrote: >>>Anyone seen the Sony VAIO though? I saw it in a magazine (I think Mobile Computing & Communications), >>>and it's supposed to be less than an inch thick. That'd be nice if it were a ThinkPad. >> >> The SONY VAIOs are actually what I think IBM was shooting for with >>the 600 series. However, the only VAIO model less than 1" thick is the >>505, which has a 10.4" SVGA display, P133 chip, and weighs about 3lbs. >>SONY is supposed to release a US model in June 1998. > >It looks like a very nice machine, but the only caveats for me would be OS support, >the Glidepoint (I have to suffer with one on my TP 300 as it has no Trackpoint), and it >being fragile. > >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS >Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 13:32:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA163237543; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:32:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13169; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:29:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13044; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13023; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a38.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.38]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15334; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:28:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199804301728.KAA15334@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 10:30:25 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" , "Bill Morrow" , "Steve Dew" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" In-Reply-To: <199804300517.WAA24320@stevie.loop.com> Subject: Re: Battery life? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <199804300517.WAA24320@stevie.loop.com>, on 04/29/98 at 10:17 PM, "Paul Khoury" said: >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:29:10 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >>I understand a night in the freezer while fully charged can regenerate a battery.. >> >It seems quite ironic also that batteries in the freezer/fridge last >longer, while batteries running in a hot environment last longer. >You'd think the opposite. Huh? What are you trying to say here. I think it was: "It seems quite ironic that batteries in the freezer/fridge last longer, while batteries running in a hot environment do not. You'd think the opposite". This is a quirk with NICad based batteries, which include NIMH. They are actually more powerful cold than hot. Also, they tend to "bleed" power faster the warmer they are. And putting them in a cold environment can accelerate the breakdown of crystals which form in them over time. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 15:25:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218844334; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:25:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22462; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:20:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21900; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21885; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts12.loop.net (p24.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.159]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA01574; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804301917.MAA01574@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mdavis1@airmail.net" Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 12:17:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New support forums gone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Further upthread, someone mentioned a suspicion that IBM would have to approve >every posting on the support forums. If they do, they are using some form of >automation; I posted a message and it appeared within 5 seconds. > Maybe they're using some kind of filter to prevent messages with swear words, or other profane vocabulary from being shown. At first though I thought it might be monitored by a human, but I guess that might be impractical with the immense call volume. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 15:26:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219324409; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:26:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22420; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:18:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21818; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21778; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts12.loop.net (p24.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.159]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA01340; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804301916.MAA01340@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Victor Kress" Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 12:16:10 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Apr 98 09:55:13 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: >I'm pretty sure the VAIO also runs the NeoMagic video chip, which >means you can run any operating system you want as long as it's >windows. So, there's no OS/2 drivers from Neomagic? I hate that company now. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 15:29:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA220684546; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:29:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23126; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:24:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22487; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22274; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts12.loop.net (p24.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.159]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA01985; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804301921.MAA01985@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "os2support@theriver.com" Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 12:20:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Battery life? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Apr 98 10:30:25 -0700, os2support@theriver.com wrote: >In <199804300517.WAA24320@stevie.loop.com>, on 04/29/98 > at 10:17 PM, "Paul Khoury" said: > >>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:29:10 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>>I understand a night in the freezer while fully charged can regenerate a battery.. >>> >>It seems quite ironic also that batteries in the freezer/fridge last >>longer, while batteries running in a hot environment last longer. >>You'd think the opposite. > >Huh? What are you trying to say here. I think it was: >"It seems quite ironic that batteries in the freezer/fridge last >longer, while batteries running in a hot environment do not. You'd >think the opposite". No. Okay, I heard that storing batteries in a cold environment means longer shelf life/charge remaining. It is the opposite with hot environments. Now when running the battery, I heard that running it in a hot environment means longer run time, wheras running it in a cold environment yields less run time. Now does that hopefully make more sense? I didn't mean to confuse everyone. This is a quirk with NICad based batteries, >which include NIMH. They are actually more powerful cold than hot. >Also, they tend to "bleed" power faster the warmer they are. And >putting them in a cold environment can accelerate the breakdown of >crystals which form in them over time. > Ahh, so you do understand somewhat. Maybe you read my sentence wrong. This happens to me occasionally. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 16:04:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA238086653; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:04:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25616; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:55:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25407; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25393; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a13.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.205]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10928; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:54:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3548D759.4E65E475@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:56:09 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Battery life? References: <199804301921.MAA01985@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Now everything is clear. James Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 98 10:30:25 -0700, os2support@theriver.com wrote: > > >In <199804300517.WAA24320@stevie.loop.com>, on 04/29/98 > > at 10:17 PM, "Paul Khoury" said: > > > >>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:29:10 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > >>>I understand a night in the freezer while fully charged can regenerate a battery.. > >>> > >>It seems quite ironic also that batteries in the freezer/fridge last > >>longer, while batteries running in a hot environment last longer. > >>You'd think the opposite. > > > >Huh? What are you trying to say here. I think it was: > >"It seems quite ironic that batteries in the freezer/fridge last > >longer, while batteries running in a hot environment do not. You'd > >think the opposite". > > No. Okay, I heard that storing batteries in a cold environment means longer shelf life/charge remaining. > It is the opposite with hot environments. > > Now when running the battery, I heard that running it in a hot environment means longer run time, > wheras running it in a cold environment yields less run time. Now does that hopefully make more sense? > I didn't mean to confuse everyone. > > This is a quirk with NICad based batteries, > >which include NIMH. They are actually more powerful cold than hot. > >Also, they tend to "bleed" power faster the warmer they are. And > >putting them in a cold environment can accelerate the breakdown of > >crystals which form in them over time. > > > Ahh, so you do understand somewhat. Maybe you read my sentence wrong. This happens to me > occasionally. > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 16:07:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA239316862; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:07:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26498; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:02:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26295; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26278; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (170.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.170]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id QAA21484; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3548DA2F.400D7A69@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:08:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mdavis1@airmail.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New support forums gone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu it was ME.. :-) i said it was rumor.. but from a good source.. i still have not found any forum on ibm.com Mark O. Davis wrote: > ** Reply to note from James Mckenzie Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:38:39 -0700 > > > You have to 'logon' to the support site in order to 'see' the support forum > > selection. As to the "company store" option, I don't see that there. They > > appreciate assistance from other users. > > Further upthread, someone mentioned a suspicion that IBM would have to approve > every posting on the support forums. If they do, they are using some form of > automation; I posted a message and it appeared within 5 seconds. > > Mark in San Angelo > mdavis1@airmail.net > 04/30/98, 09:25:15 -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 16:22:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA244927777; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:22:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27834; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:19:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27629; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.152.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27614; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcneelybn (bnm.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.150.16]) by cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA16299 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804302019.QAA16299@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: bnm@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:22:29 -0400 To: ThinkPad List From: Brooks McNeely Subject: Re: New support forums gone? In-Reply-To: <199804301917.MAA01574@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:17 PM 4/30/1998 +0000, Paul Khoury wrote: >>Further upthread, someone mentioned a suspicion that IBM would have to approve >>every posting on the support forums. If they do, they are using some form of >>automation; I posted a message and it appeared within 5 seconds. >> >Maybe they're using some kind of filter to prevent messages with swear words, or other profane >vocabulary from being shown. At first though I thought it might be monitored by a human, >but I guess that might be impractical with the immense call volume. > >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS >Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 > IBM has had forums and cforums (customer forums vs internal forums) that predate Notes, newsgroups, etc. The fact that newer (and perceived better) methods are available hasn't been sufficient to change some of these mechanisms. In the cforums I participated in, they were sorta semi-moderated. IBM didn't prevent anyone from posted anything. But after posting, the moderator would remove postings which were deemed inappropriate. Most IBM employees had access to the cforums, and occasionally I think messages were removed that concerned technolgy which had not been "announced". It seemed that their main concern was in opening themselves to lawsuits, plus the profane and/or crude messages were considered unprofessional. So flames that were derogatory to other companies or individuals, or messages that were profane/crude/inflammatory were removed. Negative statements concerning IBM were not normally removed unless they moved into the 2nd category. But the forum process was (& maybe still is) cumbersome and based on older technology. Occasionally I still use them as a separate source to answers to questions - overall the information content was quite a bit above your unmoderated newsgroup or mailing list. Brooks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 16:43:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA256049010; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:43:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29435; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:37:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28921; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otis.our-town.com (otis.our-town.com [206.64.104.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28749; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:33:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (b1l5.our-town.com [206.64.104.28]) by otis.our-town.com (8.8.8/SCO5) with SMTP id PAA03069; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:37:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804302037.PAA03069@otis.our-town.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 15:23:41 -0500 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Victor Kress" In-Reply-To: <199804301916.MAA01340@stevie.loop.com> Subject: Re: TP 600 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <199804301916.MAA01340@stevie.loop.com>, on 04/30/98 at 12:16 PM, "Paul Khoury" said: >On Thu, 30 Apr 98 09:55:13 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: >>I'm pretty sure the VAIO also runs the NeoMagic video chip, which >>means you can run any operating system you want as long as it's >>windows. >So, there's no OS/2 drivers from Neomagic? I hate that company now. Well, no. There are drivers for the Neo 128 chip thing you might look at say the drivers (video) for a Thinkpad 380D and similar TPs which use the Neo chip. The driver site doesn't seem to keep up on things, tho. I had a Dell Latitude which had an earlier Neo... and Dell did have a later driver than any I found at the Driver web site.... but it wasn't very good.... just wouldn't run dive properly - and I don't think that merely because it was a Pen 100 laptop (or was it?) -- ----------------------------------------------------------- wfj@our-town.com Father Winston F Jensen Running OS/2, the stable computer OS MR/2ICE Reader for OS/2 # 252 ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 16:50:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA259319413; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:50:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00851; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:46:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00618; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00577; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19800; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:46:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.182.1]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19792; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:46:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980430164006.00a6c6e0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:40:06 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New support forums gone? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3548DA2F.400D7A69@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:08 PM 4/30/98 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >i still have not found any forum on ibm.com > Bill, Go here: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support and select logon. If you've never done this before, it'll ask you to build a profile with machine info (just pick a system you have handy) and select a userid and password. Then it'll let you log on, and you'll see the menu with the forums. This is a much better substitute for CompuServe, though, if that's what you're looking for. The web forums are clunky and slow, IMO. Very tedious to work with after using Eudora and TapCIS. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 18:35:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA011605749; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:35:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07120; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:30:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06708; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06690; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-009-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.105]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22779 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3548FB6F.AEC62DDB@cia-g.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:30:07 -0600 From: Ray Bay Organization: Dry Creek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Zip Disks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know of a good e-commerce or website source of computer related supplies such as Zip Disks, diskettes, cables, labels, etc that are relatively inexpensive? Does anyone know of a good source for batteries. I have some old compaq batteries that I don't need that I would like to trade in as part of a purchase of some Compaq LTE Lite 486/25 batteries and memory. Also have three IBM batteries for Thinkpad 760ED that are relatively new and well cared for... I am told there are sources that give you a price break for trades. Todd Miller Dry Creek Consultants From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 19:04:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA025227458; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:04:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08831; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:00:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08670; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08652; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA07084; Thu, 30 Apr 98 19:00:43 EDT Message-Id: <354901C7.9317876@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:57:11 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 600 References: <199804301655.MAA10560@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Regarding the NM2160 video chipset. If you want to run X in Linux, you can always buy Xi Graphic's excellent Accelerated X (LX laptop version) for around $200. No, it isn't free like XFree86, but if you're going to plunk down $3-5k on a high-end laptop, another $200 probably won't kill you. It also generally yields significantly higher-performance and better color depth support compared with XFree86. I guess people have a thing about spending a single cent on anything having to do with Linux. I don't really understand that. It is too bad that NeoMagic doesn't release information so that XFree86 will support it, but it shouldn't keep you from running Linux on one of these machines. I'm just a very happy Accelerated X customer. --Lee Hetherington TP770...soon to be replaced by TP600 :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 20:34:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA067422879; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:34:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12547; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:31:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12321; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12308; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.59] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Thu, 30 Apr 98 19:30:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:29:50 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Zip Disks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Ray Bay Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:30:07 -0600 > Does anyone know of a good e-commerce or website source of computer > related supplies such as Zip Disks, diskettes, cables, labels, etc that > are relatively inexpensive? Check out www.pricewatch.com. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 04/30/98, 19:29:46 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 20:47:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA075123643; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:47:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13409; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:44:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13291; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13271; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IWHLPVCDDS96Z8M7@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:44:13 MST Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:37:33 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: TP 600 In-Reply-To: "Message dated Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:57:11 -0400" <354901C7.9317876@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IWHM0GUYCS96Z8M7@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <199804301655.MAA10560@CS.UTK.EDU> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Regarding the NM2160 video chipset. NeoMagic was mentioned on CNBC today - they are doing pretty well as a company (probably not what some will enjoy hearing) by focusing on the notebook market... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 21:06:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA082444759; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:05:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14621; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:03:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14448; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14434; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26376; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:02:33 -1000 Message-Id: <006301bd749c$f01b8ee0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: Subject: Neomagic (was: Re: TP 600) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:03:03 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Billy Y. wrote: >NeoMagic was mentioned on CNBC today - they are doing pretty well >as a company (probably not what some will enjoy hearing) by focusing >on the notebook market... Good for them! A minor player produces a graphics chip which is so = superior that many of the top laptop manufacturers switch to it, and the = only complaint is that they want to charge a nominal fee for some of the = proprietary information. I've heard of CBC; what is CNBC? - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 21:22:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA091425775; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:22:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15858; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:20:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15709; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15692; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IWHN379GCW96Z0DG@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:20:16 MST Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:18:26 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Neomagic (was: Re: TP 600) In-Reply-To: "Message dated Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:03:03 -1000" <006301bd749c$f01b8ee0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IWHN96BYE696Z0DG@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I've heard of CBC; what is CNBC? It's a USA financial news cable tv channel - "Cable NBC". Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 22:06:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA112468401; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:06:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18451; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:01:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18145; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18132; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.66]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAB17096 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 02:00:51 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP560] NT 4.0 on the 560, anyone? Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 02:00:33 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <354f2a20.8202615@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Having just received the 64MB upgrade for my 560, I'm itching to try Windows NT on my 560. I'm looking for a more stable OS and experiments with Linux and OS/2 have confirmed that I've sold my soul to Redmond and will be using MS products the rest of my life. I keep hearing how much better NT is than Windows 95, and as 98 will be incorporating the same weaknesses, I was curious if anyone on the list has already installed NT and what advice/warnings they had. From browsing IBM's ftp and web sites, it looks like all the bases are covered. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 22:11:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA114658692; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:11:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19256; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:08:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18906; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18893; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA05266; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:48:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NeoMagic In-Reply-To: <006301bd749c$f01b8ee0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thursday, 30th April 1998, David Ross wrote: > A minor player [NeoMagic] produces a graphics chip which is so superior > that many of the top laptop manufacturers switch to it, and the only > complaint is that they want to charge a nominal fee for some of the > proprietary information. I've just looked on the NeoMagic Web site, and I saw no mention at all of the fee that they seek for their proprietary information. Do you happen to know just how much that fee is? Curiously, Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 22:19:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA117949197; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:19:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20093; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:16:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19896; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from society.massmed.org (SOCIETY.massmed.org [208.28.24.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19856; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from massmed.org (d162.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net [209.6.64.162]) by society.massmed.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00842 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35493040.F7E1D74D@massmed.org> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:15:29 -0400 From: philr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 23:09:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA141102167; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:09:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22517; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:05:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22254; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22237; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA27151; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:04:56 -1000 Message-Id: <001601bd74ad$fe984c40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Christian Carey" Cc: Subject: Re: NeoMagic Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:05:26 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I've just looked on the NeoMagic Web site, and I saw no mention at all = of >the fee that they seek for their proprietary information. Do you happen = to >know just how much that fee is?=20 No - I have to admit that I inferred that this fee is low from the fact = that Xi provides a neomagic driver for their X server for free, and this = server is only expensive by Linux standards. This was sloppy of me. In any event, I expect that if they really want to keep their = proprietary information proprietary, they won't be selling it on the = web! Probably Xi had to negotiate a price with NeoMagic, and sign some = pretty strong nondisclosure agreements. BTW, someone on the thread - almost surely Paul K. - bemoaned the lack = of OS/2 support; however, there *do* seem to be OS/2 drivers for most of = the NeoMagic chips, posted on their web site! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 23:35:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA155543735; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:35:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24097; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:31:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23899; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23880; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.201]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19905; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA07733; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:31:11 -0400 (EDT) To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] NT 4.0 on the 560, anyone? References: <354f2a20.8202615@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 30 Apr 1998 23:31:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com's message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 02:00:33 GMT" Message-Id: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.6/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been running 4.0 on my TP560 (with that amount of memory) for close to a year now. My only tips: 1) Can't hibernate to an NTFS partition, so you need to either stick to FAT, or do what I do and use a separate DOS partition for hibernation (there's also some trickery involved with doing this, I mentioned on the list earlier). 2) Currently having problems with a 3com LAN+33.6 combo card (modem doesn't survive suspend), but I'm working with 3com to resolve this. I'm not certain what my chances are, though. 3) Be sure to bring your bios to the current one (many revs back couldn't handle the 64MB upgrade). 4) Get all the junk you need to add (drivers & etc) from IBM ahead of time, and read all of the doc (some of which looks like a bad translation). 5) The standard NT caveats apply. In general, I'm pretty happy about the combination (and when I'm not, I dual-boot into Linux and that makes me feel better). Peace, dNb From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Apr 30 23:40:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157124006; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:40:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24946; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:36:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24546; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uluru.Stanford.EDU (uluru.Stanford.EDU [171.64.65.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24508; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (rts11p12.xyp.rpi.edu [128.113.30.41]) by uluru.Stanford.EDU (8.7.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA08658 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:36:14 -0700 (PDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: adding more memory to a ThinkPad 760ELD Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: John Interrante Date: 30 Apr 1998 23:35:46 -0400 Message-Id: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Howdy to everybody! A lurker comes out of hiding to ask for advice concerning adding more memory to his ThinkPad 760ELD. My 133 MHz, 32MB RAM, RedHat Linux 5.0 computer (I use it at work as well as at home) is beginning to feel sluggish at times what with XFree 3.3.2, XEmacs 20.4, Netscape Communicator 4.04, and Ding! 1.0 (a memory-hungry Java client) all running at the same time. I don't plan to replace my ThinkPad for a while, so it's time to add more memory. My system has 16MB of base memory and a 16MB SO-DIMM in one of the two memory expansion sockets. That leaves a second DIMM socket available. Can I add something bigger than 16MB to the second socket, or do both DIMMs have to be the same capacity? If I can add a bigger DIMM, what's the largest DIMM I could add---32MB or 64MB? Which chip manufacturers and vendors would you recommend I order from, or stay away from? John -- John Interrante, Computer Scientist, Information Technology Laboratory GE Corporate Research & Development, Niskayuna NY