From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 1 02:09:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171774187; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:09:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25232; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:05:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24996; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24986; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id XAA15484; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:05:42 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:05:42 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199709010605.XAA15484@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: tillamook Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ...Tillamook is the mobile version of the Pentium II... Are you sure of that? I was under the impression that Tillamook was a notebook version of the ordinary MMX Pentium, and that the P6/Pentium II used way too much power for portable use in the current incarnation. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 1 05:11:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA186425101; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:11:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01864; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:07:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01717; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01690; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-2-69.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.2.69]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id CAA23352 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <340A85A4.71AED1B7@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 02:06:44 -0700 From: Richard Hamel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tillamook References: <199709010605.XAA15484@netcom8.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Your correct Paul; the Tillamook is just an Pentium MMX, Deschutes is the code name for the Pentium II laptop based chips. Richard Hamel Paul Rubin wrote: > ...Tillamook is the mobile version of the Pentium II... > > Are you sure of that? I was under the impression that Tillamook > was a notebook version of the ordinary MMX Pentium, and that > the P6/Pentium II used way too much power for portable use > in the current incarnation. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 1 08:18:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201536284; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:18:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11882; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:15:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11650; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11640; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from poppy.demon.co.uk ([158.152.35.157]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0619859; 1 Sep 97 13:09 BST From: Peter Goddard To: Alvin Tan Hong Seong Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Wrist Rest for laptops Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 11:53:22 GMT Organization: Poppy Films Message-Id: <340bac25.953811@post.demon.co.uk> References: <340AB4C0.268138E0@singnet.com.sg> In-Reply-To: <340AB4C0.268138E0@singnet.com.sg> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:27:44 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm looking for a wrist rest of suitable size and length for laptop >computers, and I found a profusion of them in the net. > >Can anyone recommend one? I like those gel-filled ones and I have one >at home (its a Fellowes wrist rest). Are there any gel-filled wrist >rests for laptops? > >Does anyone know where I can get it via mail order? > >Thanks! >Alvin Tan >760XD I bought one about a year ago, it was a gel filled rest about a foot long, specially for laptops, I think Case Logic made it and at the time was available most places. I didn't use it much though because of the extra weight in carrying it around pete "All good quotes eventually | Peter Goddard appear in Newsgroups" | poppy2@earthlink.net Oskar Wild |=20 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 1 09:25:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA207480301; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:25:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14122; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:22:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13942; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13932; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-f-21.usc.edu [128.125.223.93]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id GAA23229; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 06:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970901061855.00c7f228@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 06:19:26 -0700 To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: tillamook Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:05 PM 8/31/97 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > ...Tillamook is the mobile version of the Pentium II... > >Are you sure of that? I was under the impression that Tillamook >was a notebook version of the ordinary MMX Pentium, and that >the P6/Pentium II used way too much power for portable use >in the current incarnation. You are correct. Tillamook is *not* a Pro or P-II. Its just a lower-powered MMX with a modular design that makes it easier for manufacturers to update their machine designs as new chips (Tillamook-style) are released. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 1 12:18:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225880679; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:17:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20222; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:14:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19908; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19898; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6767 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1997 16:14:42 -0000 Received: from hezron-41.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.171) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1997 16:14:42 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tillamook Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 16:14:20 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <3411e8f3.13197148@smtp.enteract.com> References: <3.0.32.19970901061855.00c7f228@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970901061855.00c7f228@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 01 Sep 1997 06:19:26 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:05 PM 8/31/97 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: >> ...Tillamook is the mobile version of the Pentium II... >> >>Are you sure of that? I was under the impression that Tillamook >>was a notebook version of the ordinary MMX Pentium, and that >>the P6/Pentium II used way too much power for portable use >>in the current incarnation. > > You are correct. Tillamook is *not* a Pro or P-II. Its just a >lower-powered MMX with a modular design that makes it easier for >manufacturers to update their machine designs as new chips >(Tillamook-style) are released. Awright awready! I goofed, okay? :-) Sorry about the mixup, I was writing to someone about the Deschutes chip minutes before and there was some carry-over, I guess. epbrown |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 1 12:59:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229743179; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:59:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22220; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:55:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22084; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core.IConNet.NET (core.IConNet.NET [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22001; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (20715982114.bellatlantic.net [207.159.82.114]) by core.IConNet.NET (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id MAA28576 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <340B2079.5EE7@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 13:07:21 -0700 From: Sir Gwynz Reply-To: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: game card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello. Is there a such thing as a PCMIA slot type gamecard that will allow me to use joysticks on my 365XD? Thanks for any help! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 1 13:06:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230883585; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:06:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22686; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:04:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22540; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22529; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (root@termalt1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.231]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id TAA20125 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:03:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from busch.ipw.uni-heidelberg.de by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03termalt1) id AA32695; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:04:10 +0200 Message-Id: <9709011704.AA32695@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> From: "Andreas Busch" To: "ThinkPad Discussion List" Date: Mon, 01 Sep 97 19:04:03 +0200 Reply-To: "Andreas Busch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Modem and LAN Adapter Recommendations? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am moving to the States and therefore my TP 760 ED will become my main= working machine. I will have to connect it to a university LAN and, in addition, I also want to be able to connect to the Internet from home, using a modem. Having never before bought a PCMCIA modem or LAN adapter, I thought this= list would be a good place to ask for recommendations and experiences (I= am running Warp 4). BTW, the modem should also, from time to time, be used in my wife=B4s Ap= ple Powerbook 190... Thanks for any replies, Andreas ____________________________________________________________ Dr. Andreas Busch bp7@ix.urz.uni-heidel= berg.de Universitaet Heidelberg, Institut fuer Politische Wissenschaft, Germany ____________________________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 2 02:55:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020203307; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:55:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15820; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:50:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15665; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usc.edu (usc.edu [128.125.253.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15655; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hbprft.usc.edu (hbprft.usc.edu [128.125.37.60]) by usc.edu (8.8.4/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id XAA05888 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (comserv-j-12.usc.edu [128.125.224.156]) by hbprft.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id XAA06838 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970901234916.006a62fc@hbprft.usc.edu> X-Sender: annala@hbprft.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 23:49:16 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: IBM Via Voice -- Continuous Speech Recognition In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone tried IBM's new Via Voice continuous speech recognition product on a Thinkpad 760 120MHz system? It is specified for use with 150MhzMMX or 166MHz systems. Does it work at all on TP760 at 120MHz? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 2 10:52:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA069911924; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:52:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02654; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:58:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00945; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dns.exodustech.com (exodustech.com [199.237.156.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00928; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.157.151.32] by dns.exodustech.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id AC758E1019E; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 07:02:29 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:58:15 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCB76D.96356050@mirvine@exodustech.com> From: Mitch Irvine To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Battery doesn't work on 755CD Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:58:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've tried two different batteries, and both don't work on my laptop. Basically my system doesn't recognize that any battery exists. Both batteries work when inserted into another 755CD. The system works fine, so long as I plug it in(so much for being portable!). Does anybody have any ideas? Thanks in advance. Mitch Irvine. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 2 12:43:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA086948600; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:43:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10266; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:36:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09905; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsrv1.pcy.mci.net (mailsrv1.pcy.mci.net [204.71.0.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09894; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr9-dialup19.mix1.WillowSprings.mci.net) by MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-9 #10044) with SMTP id <01IN60LJW4OO9FNKAV@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:16:04 EDT Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 06:56:29 -0700 From: Neil Ripston Subject: FS: Thinkpad 760 1.2GB Hard Drive To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IN60LOKULS9FNKAV@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_O0nw4Tdhx7BOIamZWelOqA)" X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 X-Priority: 3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_O0nw4Tdhx7BOIamZWelOqA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I've got a 1.2 GB Thinkpad drive for sale. The IBM numbers on it are: FRU P/N 29H9228 ASM P/N 29H8928 29H8934 This came with my IBM 760ED. I have upgraded to 3 Gig and want to = attempt to recover some of the cost. Asking $275.00 plus shipping. Specifications are available at: http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/options/storetp.html#ataglance If interested, please contact me at: Neil.Ripston@internetmci.com --Boundary_(ID_O0nw4Tdhx7BOIamZWelOqA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

 I've got a 1.2 GB = Thinkpad drive=20 for sale.  The IBM numbers on it are:

FRU P/N 29H9228    ASM P/N 29H8928   =20 29H8934

This came with my IBM = 760ED.  I=20 have upgraded to 3 Gig and want to attempt to recover some of the = cost. =20 Asking $275.00 plus shipping.

Specifications are = available=20 at:

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Neil.Ripston@internetmci.com=   --Boundary_(ID_O0nw4Tdhx7BOIamZWelOqA)-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 2 13:03:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091229827; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:03:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11563; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:52:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11167; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lms02.us1.ibm.com (lms02.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11135; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d04lms02.raleigh.ibm.com by lms02.us1.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12550; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:56:26 GMT Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU002 id 5040200004831992; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:01:28 -0400 From: D04NMS17/04/M/IBM To: Subject: William Stevenson/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office. Message-Id: <5040200004831992000002L022*@MHS> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:01:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am out of the office from 09/02/97, returning 09/08/97. You will receive only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time I will respond. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 2 16:11:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA121321081; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:11:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27090; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:05:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26844; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26760; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA07847; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:05:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970902150311.006b7068@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:03:11 -0500 To: "Andreas Busch" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Modem and LAN Adapter Recommendations? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9709011704.AA32695@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:04 PM 9/1/97 +0200, you wrote: >I will have to connect it to a university LAN and, in >addition, I also want to be able to connect to the Internet from home, >using a modem. I am very happy with my USR/Megahertz XJEM3336. It is a combination Ethernet and 33.6 Kbps modem on a single PCMCIA card. The Ethernet connection is via a short cable to either a twisted pair or thin-net connector. The modem connection is a pop-out RJ-11 connector. I'm using it on a TP 755CE under Windows 95. I disabled the Mwave modem capabilities and have been very happy modemming ever since. >BTW, the modem should also, from time to time, be used in my wife=B4s Apple >Powerbook 190... Can't help you, there. All I know is that my business partner is using a modem-only Megahertz card in his Apple Newton Messagepad 2000 and is happy with it. --=20 Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 2 19:38:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152843492; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:38:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08421; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:35:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08128; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (twins.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08118; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIAL2-ASYNC02.DIAL.NET.NYU.EDU (DIAL2-ASYNC02.DIAL.NET.NYU.EDU [128.122.209.70]) by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with SMTP id TAA19923 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709022335.TAA19923@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> From: "Gabriel Ash" To: "Thinkpad User Group" Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 19:34:39 Reply-To: "Gabriel Ash" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: insurance question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi, i'm trying to insure my laptop and i need to specify the replacement cost of my 701c /800/24. Given that the model was discontinued, what should I write? if the replacement must be of no less quality (performance, weight, and brand name) what would be the least expensive replacement? thanks for all replies ------------- Gabriel Ash Notre-Dame ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 2 20:44:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160777444; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:44:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10687; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:41:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10559; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10542; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA18024 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT on a 701? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi--I've got a 701 that's running dual-boot OS/2 and Windows 3.1, and I'm think of replacing it with NT Workstation 4.0. The 701 has 16 megs ram....think it will be okay? I've got some favorite dos programs--ProComm, XyWrite--that I want to be able to run; also Win95 software like Microsoft Office 7. I'd appreciate your advice (I'm interested in getting acquainted with NT). Annelise P.S. The welcome message for this list says that there's a ThinkPad 500 list a virginia.edu--that list has been moved, and it's now on my computer (about 200 subscribers). To subscribe send mail to majordomo@andrsn.stanford.edu with the body message subscribe tp-500 Messages to the list would go to tp-500@andrsn.stanford.edu. I'd appreciate it if the list owner would change the welcome message, as subscriptions sent to virginia.edu get forwarded to me and I have to handle them by hand. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 00:01:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183199309; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:01:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19191; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:59:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18073; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18002; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:42:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XqA10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT To: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: game card Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.31.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <340B2079.5EE7@bellatlantic.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-11 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 01 Sep 1997 13:07:21 -0700 Sir Gwynz writes: >Hello. Is there a such thing as a PCMIA slot type gamecard that >will allow me to use joysticks on my 365XD? Thanks for any help! > Yeah. Several manafacturers like EXP (I think) and New Media make them. I don't know about drivers, but I'm sure they support Windows, which almost everyone uses (except me). Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 00:03:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183509436; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:03:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19337; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:01:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18044; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17893; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:41:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XpN10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:14 EDT To: phr@netcom.com Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: dock 1 for $25.99 Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.18.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <199708292039.NAA06151@netcom10.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-19 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:14 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:39:24 -0700 phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) writes: >Ouch... incredible... I paid something like $300 for mine >less than a year or so and found it useless for what I intended >it for (convenient way to use a scsi cd-rom with my 755cx)... >I've seen them in the $100 range after that but now it's gotten >ridiculous. > >One disadvantage of the Dock 1 vs. port replicator: the dock has >a fan, so it makes noise whenever you use it. I really like >quiet when I'm working and am even trying to figure out how to >configure my software so I can spin my disk down most of the time >(storing files on a pcmcia flash card, etc.). > Flash cards work real well, but their expensive! I got my 5MB card (mine is a genuine IBM, like 50% of my hardware!), and it installed easily for OS/2, and DOS when I had it in my machine. I paid about 90 bucks for it from a surplus place, but the retail places should be lowering to that range about now. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 00:06:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183749562; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:06:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19510; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:03:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18055; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17926; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XpO10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:14 EDT To: rwhittle@usa.net Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: a couple deals Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.19.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.32.19970829135840.00715dac@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-36 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:14 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:58:50 -0700 Randal Whittle writes: >At 10:57 AM 8/29/97 -0700, Doug Fairclough wrote: >> >>> I get a email weekly special list from SurplusDirect, >>> http://www.surplusdirect.com/email.sd >>> and a couple items looked like they might interest list members. >>> >>> Here is a segment from the mailer, prices on the web page are >higher, so >>> make sure you tell them it is from the email flyer (and better have >signed >>> up for it too!). A few other items on the web page looked good too. >>> >>> New! Genoa Phantom 4mb 3D video card W/ - $30 rebate - $49.88* >>> ****($79.88 Value Price - $30.00 Manufacturer's Rebate = $49.88 >Final >>> Cost)**** >> >>can anyone speak for Genoa Phantom ?? havent heard of them but i >could >>sure use a 4MB card ! > > I can't say I would really "trust" a $50 video card that >purports to have >4 MB on it. > > I know it costs more, but I'd be much more favorable to >recommending >Matrox's latest Millenium II for about $200 (same 4 MB). > Not to mention that you can upgrade some models of the Matrox card up to 16MB of RAM! Now that's the card I'd like to have in my Linux or Warp box. (Too bad ThinkPad video RAM isn't upgradable; I don't think it would be too hard to add that in). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 00:07:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183909675; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:07:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19686; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:05:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18049; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17941; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:42:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XpS10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT To: jloyless@netbox.com Cc: egiles@netpathway.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: a couple deals Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.23.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970829105521.00988430@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-28,30-31,33-36 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:55:21 -0400 Jane Loyless writes: >At 09:37 AM 8/29/97 -0500, you wrote: > >>I am really not sure what model it is, since they did not give an IBM >part >>number. Anyone have an idea? Also, could it be possible for a 701c to >work >>with this unit? It was not listed as one of the compatible systems, >but I >>remember hearing of a docking adaptor that would allow the 701 to be >used >>with some of the docking stations. >> > >It's the Dock I, and I don't think the 701 adapter will work in it. >I'm >not certain about that, though. Does anyone else know? > >http://www.onsale.com is currently auctioning off Dock II's (new and >refurbs) as well as the adapter for the 701 and the display shelf, but >the >price for the Dock II is running $300-400. I didn't pay any attention >to >the price for the adapter, but the display shelf was running around >$20. >This series of auctions ends around 12:30PM PDT today. > The Dock I does not work in the 701. But the Dock II and the 701 adapter allows the 701 to work in a Dock II. I have to admit that a Dock II would be nice, so I can install Warp 4.0 from CD-ROM, to get that perfect install (funny that OSes like NT and Warp never perfectly install the FIRST time around! :-< ). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 00:10:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184559818; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:10:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19897; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:07:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18070; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17962; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XqB10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT To: bp7@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Modem and LAN Adapter Recommendations? Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.32.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <9709011704.AA32695@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-43 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 01 Sep 97 19:04:03 +0200 "Andreas Busch" writes: >Hello, > >I am moving to the States and therefore my TP 760 ED will become my >main= > >working machine. I will have to connect it to a university LAN and, in >addition, I also want to be able to connect to the Internet from home, >using a modem. >Having never before bought a PCMCIA modem or LAN adapter, I thought >this= > >list would be a good place to ask for recommendations and experiences >(I= > >am running Warp 4). >BTW, the modem should also, from time to time, be used in my wife=B4s >Ap= >ple >Powerbook 190... > >Thanks for any replies, > >Andreas Since there has been discussion about the Home & Away, it's "okay". The modem part works well, but I have yet to try the LAN part, though OS/2 seems to work with the supplied driver (tip - If your home & away is defective, call IBM. They shipped my the whole box complete with updated drivers and manuals!!!). I also hear that 3COM makes good products with OS/2 support. They're expensive, but tech support is friendly, and they have a lifetime warranty on all their products. Do any OS/2 users on here know a lot about networking? I am having problems with MPTS letting me configure my Home & Away (though the driver seems to initilise the card okay). Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 00:12:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184689939; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:12:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20096; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:09:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18061; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17969; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:42:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XqD10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:16 EDT To: andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT on a 701? Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.34.pkhoury@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,7-36 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:16 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Annelise Anderson writes: >Hi--I've got a 701 that's running dual-boot OS/2 and Windows 3.1, and >I'm think of replacing it with NT Workstation 4.0. The 701 has 16 >megs ram....think it will be okay? > Good luck. I'd rather stick with OS/2 and Win3.11. If you want reliability, stick with Warp 3.0 regular or connect. You could also put Win95 on the same partition with OS/2, dispite Micro$oft's stupid warnings. >I've got some favorite dos programs--ProComm, XyWrite--that I want to >be able to run; also Win95 software like Microsoft Office 7. I'd >appreciate your advice (I'm interested in getting acquainted with NT). DOS support is LOUSY compared to OS/2 or Win95, but it still runs. Some Windows 3.x apps may not work though. I was not thouroughly pleased with NT 4.0 on my server, which is a P75 with 16MB of RAM. Later, Paul > >Annelise > >P.S. The welcome message for this list says that there's a ThinkPad >500 list a virginia.edu--that list has been moved, and it's now on >my computer (about 200 subscribers). To subscribe send mail to >majordomo@andrsn.stanford.edu with the body message >subscribe tp-500 >Messages to the list would go to tp-500@andrsn.stanford.edu. > >I'd appreciate it if the list owner would change the welcome message, >as subscriptions sent to virginia.edu get forwarded to me and I have >to handle them by hand. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 01:27:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193094459; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:27:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18086; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:38:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17535; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17481; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XpY10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Numbering Scheme Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.29.pkhoury@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a change of subject from the normal discussions, but I was wondering if anyone noticed or might think that IBM is naming some or all of the ThinkPad series after it's mainframes, like the System/701, S/360, 370, 350, etc. There's a S/390, and the 380 comes close. Or maybe it's just a coincidence. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 01:29:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193294578; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:29:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18091; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:39:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17629; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17557; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:38:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XpW10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT To: vicgonzlez@interserf.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dock II = SelectaDock II? Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.27.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970830000713.0071d0d0@mail.interserf.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-13 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:07:13 -0400 Vic Gonzalez writes: >Hi all- >Does anyone know if the Thinkpad Dock II (mentioned as compatible with >701C) is the same as the Selectadock II? >-Vic > Don't think so, but am not sure for sure. I think the Selectadock II just has different options than the Selectadock I. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 01:31:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193454673; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:31:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18146; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:40:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17692; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17669; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:39:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XpR10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT To: shin_hw@clark.net Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Can the Cd player on Dock I play audio CD? Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.22.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.32.19970829151015.00821180@clark.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-23 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:10:18 -0400 Henry Shin writes: >Hi, > >I just purchased a used Thinkpad Dock I with internal CD player. The >CD >works fine with the data CD's, but it will not play any audio CD's. >The >drive physically spins but not a peep. I am using this on TP760E with >Windows95. Any suggestions? Thanks! > >Best, > >Henry > >BTW, I am selling a brand new SelectADock II with all the cables, >docs, and >software sealed for $350. Any takers? > How is the audio connected, to the front of the drive? Is the CD-Audio driver for Windows installed? Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 01:33:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193694816; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:33:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18134; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:40:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17745; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17716; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XqC10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:16 EDT To: mirvine@exodustech.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery doesn't work on 755CD Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.33.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <01BCB76D.96356050@mirvine@exodustech.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-24 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:16 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:58:11 -0700 Mitch Irvine writes: >I've tried two different batteries, and both don't work on my laptop. > >Basically my system doesn't recognize that any battery exists. Both >batteries work when inserted into another 755CD. > >The system works fine, so long as I plug it in(so much for being >portable!). > >Does anybody have any ideas? > >Thanks in advance. > >Mitch Irvine. > > Maybe the circuitry in the computer has burnt out. Do you still have any of you 3 year warranty left (all 7xx machines have a 3 year warranty, the 3xx or 5xx have only a 1 year warranty!)? You might try hasseling with Hardserv to get your machine fixed. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 01:34:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193784847; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:34:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18089; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:38:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17534; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17464; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XpV10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT To: tsengyc@tw.ibm.com Cc: pkhoury@juno.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help! Hard drive BIOS test error ;-( Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.26.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <5030200013685956000002L062*@mhs> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-28 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:49:39 -0400 "Y.C Tseng" writes: >Paul, > > First of all, I'd like to thank you for the prompt reply. After >trying your >directions several times, >I still can't see any additional hard drive icon to appear. So, I can >not reach >the last step to do low-level >formatting for my hard drive. On the other hand, I should point out >is, this >hard drive has been formatted >already, and been installed windows 95 on it. Until now, it seems work >fine. >Any further idea? > >Have a good day, >Yen-chiun Tseng > > But you did get additional icons to appear after pressing Control-A, right? My 701, as well as my 3 PS/2's all give you special testing or format options when you do that. Tell me what happens. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 01:34:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193894895; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:34:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18069; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:39:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17597; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17536; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:38:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XpU10584; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT To: jloyless@netbox.com Cc: tanalvin@singnet.com.sg, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ssh@wwsi.com, pkhoury@juno.com Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter Message-Id: <19970902.203420.3679.25.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3.0.1.32.19970829000835.0098f660@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-21,23-28 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:38:15 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:08:35 -0400 Jane Loyless writes: >At 10:17 AM 8/29/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>The 765 power supply requires a 56W while the others from 760XD >>downwards use the 35W power supply. This is in part due to the >higher >>drain from the 13.3 LCD panel I think. >> > >OK - I see now - it's completely different from the 760 series. I was >confused and thought it used the same adapter. The only 765 I've seen >was >at COMDEX in June, and it was in a docking station. I was so dazzled >by >the screen that it never occurred to me to ask any meaningful >questions >beyond how heavy was it and how many more $$$ did they want for it! > >Thanks! > Actually, the LCD take very little power; it's the hard drive, CPU, and backlight that do it. LCD's are usually very energy efficient, but on a 13.3 inch, the backlight would be bigger, thus consuming more power that way. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 02:00:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA198416457; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:00:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25907; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:57:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25738; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (phr@netcom7.netcom.com [192.100.81.115]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25635; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id WAA20899; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:56:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:56:12 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199709030556.WAA20899@netcom7.netcom.com> To: phr@netcom.com, pkhoury@juno.com Subject: Re: dock 1 for $25.99 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Flash cards work real well, but their expensive! I got my 5MB card (mine is a genuine IBM, like 50% of my hardware!), and it installed easily for OS/2, and DOS when I had it in my machine. I paid about 90 bucks for it from a surplus place, but the retail places should be lowering to that range about now. Thanks. I got a couple of IBM 10 MB cards for $150 each last year, but you can get them for around $100 now surplus. IBM cards are actually made by Sandisk. Larger cards seem to be around $12.50/MB. I've had the idea of doing a Linux installation using a 20 MB ramdisk to hold system files (so they can vanish at shutdown and be restored >from HD at reboot) and a 10 MB flash card for user files. But that's only 30 MB of space, not much for Linux; and it requires hacking up the software in various ways to split the system across three file systems (flash, ram, and HD). So the easiest way is probably to just buy a large, expensive flash card. If my financial condition improves in the next year I'll seriously consider it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 07:27:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226876045; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:27:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11462; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:23:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11321; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11311; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22867 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1997 11:23:01 -0000 Received: from hezron-38.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.168) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1997 11:23:01 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT 4.0 Workstation on a ThinkPad? Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:22:21 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <340e4659.704045@smtp.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On comp.sys.laptops, several people have tried NT on various models. Right off the bat, I've read that NT shouldn't be attempted with less than 32MB of RAM, and performance is much improved with 64MB. This is more than a 701 can be upgraded to, but maybe with 40MB it's not so bad. Second, MS isn't really fond of portable users running NT, and haven't designed it for portable use. It's got no APM support, and doesn't support hot- or warm-swapping. SystemSoft has written a version of CardWorks for NT, but I haven't heard if you can change cards without rebooting. Those laptop mfgs that support NT, like Dell and Digital, have pretty much altered the OS to allow for these shortcomings, or written workarounds for most of them.=20 Should you plan to go ahead, stop by the group and ask around. Some people who've tried this may have some pointers. epbrown On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:11:15 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Hi--I'm thinking of installing NT 4.0 on my ThinkPad....on the 701, >actually. It has 16 megs ram. But I though someone on this list >might have some advice, cautionary tales, or whatever....the TPad >currently dual-boots OS/2 Warp 3.0 and Windows 3.1. =20 > >I want to be able to run my dos programs (ProCommPlus and XyWrite) >and Microsoft Office 7 on it. I have an ethernet modem card for it >and (at the office) an ethernet connection. Will I be able to get >to this machine from home, and log in to it? Or telnet to it? > >Thanks.... > > Annelise > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 09:25:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238073157; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:25:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17684; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:23:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17531; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slipgate.keysolutions.com (kenyee.xensei.com [204.96.52.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17515; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by slipgate.keysolutions.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256507.00495FB0 ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:21:26 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: KEY ENTERPRISE SOLUTIONS From: "Ken K. Yee" To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <85256507.00492677.00@slipgate.keysolutions.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:21:11 -0400 Subject: Re: NT 4.0 Workstation on a ThinkPad? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > models. Right off the bat, I've read that NT shouldn't be attempted > with less than 32MB of RAM, and performance is much improved with Works fine on my 760CD. The only problem is that the Xircom ethernet card doesn't reinit after coming back from suspend, so you have to reboot it. The 760CD does sleep without any problems. ken BTW, it only has 24MB of RAM. If you can, don't install the Mwave drivers...they're pigs and will use too much memory so you can't run that many programs without swapping. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 11:03:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA250379024; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:03:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22995; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:00:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22752; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22727; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15578 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15714; Wed, 3 Sep 97 11:07:15 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA01544 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:07:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:07:11 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Flash cards (was: dock 1 for $25.99) In-Reply-To: <199709030556.WAA20899@netcom7.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Paul Rubin wrote: > Flash cards work real well, but their expensive! I got my 5MB card > (mine is a genuine IBM, like 50% of my hardware!), and it installed > easily for OS/2, and DOS when I had it in my machine. I paid about > 90 bucks for it from a surplus place, but the retail places should be > lowering to that range about now. > > Thanks. I got a couple of IBM 10 MB cards for $150 each last year, > but you can get them for around $100 now surplus. IBM cards are > actually made by Sandisk. Larger cards seem to be around $12.50/MB. I was one of the lucky ones who got the 15MB Sandisk cards before they ran out. Buyers should beware that the bargain Sandisk cards do not work with the Kodak digital cameras IIRC. > I've had the idea of doing a Linux installation using a 20 MB ramdisk > to hold system files (so they can vanish at shutdown and be restored > from HD at reboot) and a 10 MB flash card for user files. But > that's only 30 MB of space, not much for Linux; and it requires > hacking up the software in various ways to split the system across > three file systems (flash, ram, and HD). So the easiest way is > probably to just buy a large, expensive flash card. If my financial > condition improves in the next year I'll seriously consider it. Just keep in mind that just a little more than a decade ago, 20MB meant a great big winchester drive about the size of a phonograph player (do you realize a generation is growing up who don't understand the phrase, "sounds like a broken record"? :) Ack, I'm rambling. :) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 13:24:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA268887445; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:24:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01647; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:20:30 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01452; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA26389; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28554; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-37.usc.edu [128.125.224.109]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id JAA22499; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970903091821.006fb894@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:28:57 -0700 To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Flashcards? Cc: phr@netcom.com, pkhoury@juno.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:56 PM 9/2/97 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Flash cards work real well, but their expensive! I got my 5MB card > (mine is a genuine IBM, like 50% of my hardware!), and it installed > easily for OS/2, and DOS when I had it in my machine. I paid about > 90 bucks for it from a surplus place, but the retail places should be > lowering to that range about now. > >Thanks. I got a couple of IBM 10 MB cards for $150 each last year, >but you can get them for around $100 now surplus. IBM cards are >actually made by Sandisk. Larger cards seem to be around $12.50/MB. >I've had the idea of doing a Linux installation using a 20 MB ramdisk >to hold system files (so they can vanish at shutdown and be restored >from HD at reboot) and a 10 MB flash card for user files. But >that's only 30 MB of space, not much for Linux; and it requires >hacking up the software in various ways to split the system across >three file systems (flash, ram, and HD). So the easiest way is >probably to just buy a large, expensive flash card. If my financial Some folks mentioned Flash cards can be cheaply obtained at surplus places. Would you kindly point to some? URL's or phone numbers would be great. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 16:45:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA299669551; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:45:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13441; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:40:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13088; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13029; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA04088; Wed, 3 Sep 97 10:39:34 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10298; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:39:56 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709032039.KAA10298@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Flash cards (was: dock 1 for $25.99) To: kim@mak.com (John Kim) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 10:39:55 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "John Kim" at Sep 3, 97 11:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John Kim wrote: > Just keep in mind that just a little more than a decade ago, > 20MB meant a great big winchester drive about the size of a > phonograph player (do you realize a generation is growing up who > don't understand the phrase, "sounds like a broken record"? :) Er, I'm not sure I've ever understood this phrase myself, and I'm old enough that I still use a 1935 Smith Corona manual typewriter to crank out my email. In our vinyl-collecting household, a broken record sounds like: **crack** uh oh (soft hi voice) OH, SH*T! MATHIAAAAAAAAS!!! (loud adult voice) I don't think this is what the phrase's originators had in mind:-) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 17:55:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012593715; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:55:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19154; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:51:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18984; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18974; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12802 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:35:14 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCB892.51BD2EA0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:53:43 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "kim@mak.com" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Flash cards (was: dock 1 for $25.99) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:50:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 39 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I thought a broken record sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) scriccccccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhh Dammit. ---------- From: ross@math.hawaii.edu[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] Sent: 1997 September 03 - Wednesday 06:40 To: kim@mak.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Flash cards (was: dock 1 for $25.99) John Kim wrote: > Just keep in mind that just a little more than a decade ago, > 20MB meant a great big winchester drive about the size of a > phonograph player (do you realize a generation is growing up who > don't understand the phrase, "sounds like a broken record"? :) Er, I'm not sure I've ever understood this phrase myself, and I'm old enough that I still use a 1935 Smith Corona manual typewriter to crank out my email. In our vinyl-collecting household, a broken record sounds like: **crack** uh oh (soft hi voice) OH, SH*T! MATHIAAAAAAAAS!!! (loud adult voice) I don't think this is what the phrase's originators had in mind:-) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 18:09:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA014844553; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:09:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20074; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:04:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19903; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu (rho.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19892; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tau.ben2.ucla.edu (tau.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.32]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA49548 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:03:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD FORREST URENDA Subject: Thinkpad TV tuner 66G3689 on 360c To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This tuner is advertised as a tp 750 and 755 only tuner. I have a Thinkpad 360C. Can I use the tuner with this model? It is a TFT screen. Where does it attach to and or do I nee a dock? I know some people bought some from onsale. Please let me know your experiences. Thanks in advance, Eddie From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 3 22:43:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA048121026; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:43:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05890; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:39:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05571; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05552; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-113.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.113]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA66992; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:39:35 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970903223812.009f99b0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 22:38:12 -0400 To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: NT 4.0 Workstation on a ThinkPad? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <340e4659.704045@smtp.enteract.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:22 AM 9/3/97 GMT, you wrote: > On comp.sys.laptops, several people have tried NT on various >models. Right off the bat, I've read that NT shouldn't be attempted >with less than 32MB of RAM, and performance is much improved with >64MB. This is more than a 701 can be upgraded to, but maybe with 40MB >it's not so bad. > Second, MS isn't really fond of portable users running NT, and >haven't designed it for portable use. It's got no APM support, and >doesn't support hot- or warm-swapping. SystemSoft has written a >version of CardWorks for NT, but I haven't heard if you can change >cards without rebooting. Those laptop mfgs that support NT, like Dell >and Digital, have pretty much altered the OS to allow for these >shortcomings, or written workarounds for most of them. > Should you plan to go ahead, stop by the group and ask around. Some >people who've tried this may have some pointers. > I've run NTWS v4.0 on a 755CSe with 16MB, a 755CE with 40MB and a 760EL with 32MB. It installed easily on all of them and worked well. The one with only 16MB was sluggish as it paged constantly. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 4 02:15:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075413733; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:15:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13444; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:11:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13262; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13205; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id C}G14604; Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:35 EDT To: phr@netcom.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dock 1 for $25.99 Message-Id: <19970903.230309.3855.34.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <199709030556.WAA20899@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-23,25,27-28,30-32,34-41 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:35 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:56:12 -0700 phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) writes: > Flash cards work real well, but their expensive! I got my 5MB >card > (mine is a genuine IBM, like 50% of my hardware!), and it >installed > easily for OS/2, and DOS when I had it in my machine. I paid >about > 90 bucks for it from a surplus place, but the retail places >should be > lowering to that range about now. > >Thanks. I got a couple of IBM 10 MB cards for $150 each last year, >but you can get them for around $100 now surplus. IBM cards are >actually made by Sandisk. Larger cards seem to be around $12.50/MB. >I've had the idea of doing a Linux installation using a 20 MB ramdisk >to hold system files (so they can vanish at shutdown and be restored >from HD at reboot) and a 10 MB flash card for user files. But >that's only 30 MB of space, not much for Linux; and it requires >hacking up the software in various ways to split the system across >three file systems (flash, ram, and HD). So the easiest way is >probably to just buy a large, expensive flash card. If my financial >condition improves in the next year I'll seriously consider it. > So you must really hate noisy machines like the original XT or PC, huh? Flash is nice, but I only store critical (or they used to be, at least) files on it, and I wish I had the more expensive option except that it's too expensive. Believe it or not, I like both noisy machines, and quiet machines, but I have 1 original PC, a Linux server, and a 386 on 24-7 now. I think with the ThinkPad hard drives you can use software routines to power down the spindle motor, besides always pressing Fn-F6, but I don't have a clue how to do it. I probably need to learn assembly first. Call IBM Storage Systems Division for additional ?s. Later, Paul Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 4 03:15:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA081047303; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 03:15:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13096; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12738; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12728; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id C}Q14604; Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:36 EDT To: jloyless@netbox.com Cc: pkhoury@juno.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter Message-Id: <19970903.230309.3855.44.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3.0.1.32.19970902234527.0099fb00@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-17 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:36 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:45:27 -0400 Jane Loyless writes: >Interestingly enough, I asked about this on the CompuServe ThinkPad >forum >(part number and all) and was assured by one of the IBM HelpCenter >guys >that the AC Adapter under discussion would work with the 765! > >Go figure! > Don't forget that more than half the people at the IBM PC HelpCenter aren't picked for their technical skills. They're picked because they sound good on the phone. Go figure (redundant statement). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 4 03:15:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA081627354; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 03:15:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13101; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12788; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12777; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id C}N14604; Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:36 EDT To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Cc: kim@mak.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Flash cards (was: dock 1 for $25.99) Message-Id: <19970903.230309.3855.41.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <199709032039.KAA10298@tarski.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-25 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:36 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Sep 97 10:39:55 HST ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) writes: >John Kim wrote: > >> Just keep in mind that just a little more than a decade ago, >> 20MB meant a great big winchester drive about the size of a >> phonograph player (do you realize a generation is growing up who >> don't understand the phrase, "sounds like a broken record"? :) > >Er, I'm not sure I've ever understood this phrase myself, and I'm >old enough that I still use a 1935 Smith Corona manual typewriter to >crank out my email. > >In our vinyl-collecting household, a broken record sounds like: > > **crack** > uh oh (soft hi voice) > OH, SH*T! MATHIAAAAAAAAS!!! (loud adult voice) > >I don't think this is what the phrase's originators had in mind:-) > >- David > I don't get it. Clue me in please. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 4 03:18:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA081997538; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 03:18:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13186; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12835; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12808; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id C}O14604; Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:36 EDT To: ttrottier@shl.com Cc: kim@mak.com, "ross@math.hawaii.edu"@staff.juno.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Flash cards (was: dock 1 for $25.99) Message-Id: <19970903.230309.3855.42.pkhoury@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-23 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:36 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:50:10 -0400 "TROTTIER, Tom" writes: >I thought a broken record sounded like (click) sounded like (click) >sounded >like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like >(click) >sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded >like >(click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) > >sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded >like >(click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) > >sounded like (click) sounded like (click) sounded like (click) >scriccccccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhh Dammit. > Hehehe. Now how about hearing a crashed, or crashing hard drive!? That's something. And what a sound they make. Especially when I throw it on the floor out of frustration. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 4 03:20:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA082137638; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 03:20:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13257; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12863; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12819; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:07:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id C}I14604; Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:35 EDT To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT 4.0 Workstation on a ThinkPad? Message-Id: <19970903.230309.3855.36.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <340e4659.704045@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-23 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:35 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:22:21 GMT epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) writes: > On comp.sys.laptops, several people have tried NT on various >models. Right off the bat, I've read that NT shouldn't be attempted >with less than 32MB of RAM, and performance is much improved with >64MB. This is more than a 701 can be upgraded to, but maybe with 40MB >it's not so bad. > Second, MS isn't really fond of portable users running NT, and >haven't designed it for portable use. It's got no APM support, and >doesn't support hot- or warm-swapping. SystemSoft has written a >version of CardWorks for NT, but I haven't heard if you can change >cards without rebooting. Those laptop mfgs that support NT, like Dell >and Digital, have pretty much altered the OS to allow for these >shortcomings, or written workarounds for most of them.=20 > Should you plan to go ahead, stop by the group and ask around. >Some >people who've tried this may have some pointers. > epbrown And if you can't sacrifice hot-plugability, APM, etc., go to another real OS like OS/2 or some kind of Linux, like Sun Solaris or Linux. They also offer very good 32-bit power. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 4 03:32:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA083478353; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 03:32:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13280; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:08:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12914; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12904; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:08:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id C}J14604; Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:35 EDT To: kim@mak.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Flash cards (was: dock 1 for $25.99) Message-Id: <19970903.230309.3855.37.pkhoury@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-47 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:06:35 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:07:11 -0400 (EDT) John Kim writes: >On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Paul Rubin wrote: > >> Flash cards work real well, but their expensive! I got my >5MB card >> (mine is a genuine IBM, like 50% of my hardware!), and it >installed >> easily for OS/2, and DOS when I had it in my machine. I >paid about >> 90 bucks for it from a surplus place, but the retail places >should be >> lowering to that range about now. >> >> Thanks. I got a couple of IBM 10 MB cards for $150 each last year, >> but you can get them for around $100 now surplus. IBM cards are >> actually made by Sandisk. Larger cards seem to be around $12.50/MB. > >I was one of the lucky ones who got the 15MB Sandisk cards >before they ran out. Buyers should beware that the bargain >Sandisk cards do not work with the Kodak digital cameras IIRC. > >> I've had the idea of doing a Linux installation using a 20 MB >ramdisk >> to hold system files (so they can vanish at shutdown and be restored >> from HD at reboot) and a 10 MB flash card for user files. But >> that's only 30 MB of space, not much for Linux; and it requires >> hacking up the software in various ways to split the system across >> three file systems (flash, ram, and HD). So the easiest way is >> probably to just buy a large, expensive flash card. If my financial >> condition improves in the next year I'll seriously consider it. > >Just keep in mind that just a little more than a decade ago, >20MB meant a great big winchester drive about the size of a >phonograph player (do you realize a generation is growing up who >don't understand the phrase, "sounds like a broken record"? :) > >Ack, I'm rambling. :) >-- >John H. Kim >kim@mak.com I remember, and I'm only a 3 months from being 18. I have a working 8 track, record player, and also a working, vintage Seacrate ST-412, in my XT. Funny, how I compare that to my IBM Flashcard, and the 85ms. access time to 24x CD-ROMs. Boy, have times changed. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 4 13:10:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA149542998; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:09:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13781; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:03:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13358; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13347; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shin_hw.clark.net (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA27570 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970904130039.00824480@clark.net> X-Sender: shin_hw@clark.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:00:43 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Henry Shin Subject: FS: New IBM SelectaDock II with base unit ($450/obo) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a brand new SelectaDock II and the base unit for sale. They are open-box units with full manufacturer's warranty. All the documents and cables are still sealed and included. My asking price is $450 for both. Best regards, Henry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 4 18:03:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA200380601; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:03:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02296; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:59:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02156; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom23.netcom.com (phr@netcom23.netcom.com [192.100.81.137]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02004; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA14020; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:55:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:55:41 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199709042155.OAA14020@netcom23.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ac cord of 760 adapter Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I'd like to thank the people who responded to my post looking for a 760-style AC adapter for my 755cx. I managed to get one from Insight Direct. I have mixed impressions of Insight service but they did get the thing here. It's a slim adapter, P/n 12J1447 FRU P/N 12J1448. It says in the instruction booklet that it works with various models of 760 but doesn't list the 755cx; however the salesperson said it supported the 755 series and in fact I'm using it and it works. What I'm wondering is about the AC cord, which is a flat, fairly thick 3-wire cord with a weird 3-pin connector (*not* a standard IEC cord) that plugs into the pack. This cord is kind of bulky and partly defeats the purpose of a compact adapter. I had kind of remembered seeing a 2-conductor cord on my friend's 365xd adapter, which otherwise looks similar. Was I imagining things? Do any of those adapters use a 2-conductor cord? This adapter in any case is a pretty big improvement over what I used to have... Thanks again Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 00:21:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288673265; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:21:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15312; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:17:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15194; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.gte.net (smtp.gte.net [207.115.153.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15182; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw67068.gte.net (dfw67068.gte.net [206.124.67.68]) by smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id XAA18946 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:17:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gte.net: dfw67068.gte.net [206.124.67.68] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970905001812.0069cca0@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: wtbrown@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:18:12 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "w.t.brown" Subject: ESS Soundcard conflict with Real Audio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 560, 120mz pentium, 16mb ram and cannot get Real Audio to work on the internet. It locks up with the built in sound card that IBM provides with the 560. It produces a chattering noise and I have to reboot to get rid of it. Has any one gotten Real Audio to work properly and have any suggestions? I have Real Audio working just fine with my Compaq desktop. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 00:36:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007644167; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:36:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15814; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:33:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15705; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15695; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA12301; Thu, 4 Sep 97 18:33:40 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA14615; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:34:03 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709050434.SAA14615@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: ESS Soundcard conflict with Real Audio To: wtbrown@gte.net (w.t.brown) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 18:34:02 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970905001812.0069cca0@mail.gte.net>; from "w.t.brown" at Sep 5, 97 12:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No problem with RA on my TP560 (P133, 24mb ram); maybe your version is corrupt, or your TP's BIOS or sound driver is out of date. - David R. > > I have a Thinkpad 560, 120mz pentium, 16mb ram and cannot get Real Audio to > work > on the internet. It locks up with the built in sound card that IBM > provides with the > 560. It produces a chattering noise and I have to reboot to get rid of it. > Has any > one gotten Real Audio to work properly and have any suggestions? I have > Real Audio > working just fine with my Compaq desktop. > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 00:47:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016644822; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:47:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16212; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:44:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16079; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16069; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14843; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:46:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: "w.t.brown" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ESS Soundcard conflict with Real Audio In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970905001812.0069cca0@mail.gte.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, w.t.brown wrote: > I have a Thinkpad 560, 120mz pentium, 16mb ram and cannot get Real Audio to > work > on the internet. It locks up with the built in sound card that IBM > provides with the > 560. It produces a chattering noise and I have to reboot to get rid of it. > Has any > one gotten Real Audio to work properly and have any suggestions? I have Real Audio 3.0 32-bit working fine on my TP560-120. It worked in 24MB of RAM, and now still works in 40Mb RAM. I just installed it and it ran fine. Which Browser are you trying to run it with? I use it with Netscape 3.0 Gold here. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 01:34:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA037907674; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:34:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17580; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:31:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17380; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17356; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BMC22734; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:30:59 EDT To: wtbrown@gte.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ESS Soundcard conflict with Real Audio Message-Id: <19970904.222702.4255.11.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970905001812.0069cca0@mail.gte.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-19 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:30:59 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:18:12 -0400 "w.t.brown" writes: >I have a Thinkpad 560, 120mz pentium, 16mb ram and cannot get Real >Audio to >work >on the internet. It locks up with the built in sound card that IBM >provides with the >560. It produces a chattering noise and I have to reboot to get rid >of it. > Has any >one gotten Real Audio to work properly and have any suggestions? I >have >Real Audio >working just fine with my Compaq desktop. > > > Try doing a seach on ESS Technology on the web. Maybe their chipset isn't compatible with Real Audio. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 01:34:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA037947681; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:34:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17563; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:31:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17373; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17349; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BMD22734; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:30:59 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Batteries for 701 Message-Id: <19970904.222702.4255.12.pkhoury@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-16 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:30:59 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know how much the batteries at Insight are now? I just had a power outage in almost the whole city (Southern California), likely from all the Air conditioners on, and thank goodness my ThinkPad was on and fully charged, as it was the only light (and it only lasted around 30-60 min!). Was the last price like $30 or something? And are NiMH getting cheaper (for the 701, that is)? And lastly, are 3rd party batteries any better than IBM's, because IBM usually seems to be the cheapest. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 03:41:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077725318; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:41:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20929; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:39:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20807; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20796; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA12958; Thu, 4 Sep 97 21:38:48 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA15106; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:39:10 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709050739.VAA15106@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Batteries for 701 To: pkhoury@juno.com Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 21:39:09 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19970904.222702.4255.12.pkhoury@juno.com>; from "pkhoury@juno.com" at Sep 5, 97 1:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Was the last price like $30 or something? And are NiMH getting cheaper > (for the 701, that is)? > And lastly, are 3rd party batteries any better than IBM's, because I think brands are pretty much interchangeable, though Xtend has claimed to have lasted longer on independent tests. Last I looked, NIMH prices were still over $100. You might find NiCads remaindered somewhere for half that or less. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 12:19:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA134846341; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:19:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16583; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:07:43 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16221; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id MAA07611; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14496; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-72.usc.edu [128.125.224.72]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id IAA26036; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970905083548.00ca3e48@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:36:13 -0700 To: "w.t.brown" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ESS Soundcard conflict with Real Audio Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:18 AM 9/5/97 -0400, w.t.brown wrote: >I have a Thinkpad 560, 120mz pentium, 16mb ram and cannot get Real Audio to >work >on the internet. It locks up with the built in sound card that IBM >provides with the >560. It produces a chattering noise and I have to reboot to get rid of it. > Has any >one gotten Real Audio to work properly and have any suggestions? I have >Real Audio >working just fine with my Compaq desktop. Works fine on my 560 (but I have more memory). I don't have any suggestions though--just know that it works. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 13:25:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144350301; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:25:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20707; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:18:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20372; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20352; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (host-165-53.uplanet.com [204.163.165.53]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25787; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970905101701.007f2d50@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:17:01 -0700 To: pkhoury@juno.com From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: Wrist Rest for laptops Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19970902.203420.3679.28.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19970831195702.0087a3e0@mailhost.hooked.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:38 PM 9/2/97 EDT, pkhoury@juno.com wrote: >Try using the ThinkPad on you lap DURING and AFTER the battery >finishes charging. Talk about hot. Probably at least 120=B0F. These laptop pads pretty much fix that, I never could go bare though, had to at least have a hardbound book protecting me :) >Also, how much do the wrist rests help? I got a Memorex-Telex >wrist rest that I primarily use with an IBM PS/2 keyboard, but have >used it several times with my ThinkPad and it was thinner than >the top of the 701's keyboard and also uncomfortable. For my 755, the wrist rest was perfect, it was just the right height (thicker than most wrist rests I've seen because it was made for a laptop, not a keyboard), and the 755's keyboard goes right up to the edge of the= box. For my 560, the wrist rest is useless, but since the 560 doesn't have feet in the back to elevate the box, I turn the whole pad around with the wrist rest pointing down on the back edge, this puts the machine at a more comfortable angle, still protects the heat, and even keeps less surface area on my lap than before (I even got an extra one for the office). ______________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose www.spine.com "stumbo gonna suck off your face, stumbo gonna step on the human race" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 14:23:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154503779; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:22:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24117; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:15:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23690; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23675; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fofyplfq (ip127.white-plains2.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.124.127]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27521; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:14:50 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCBA06.12B122A0.rponiarski@earthlink.net> From: "Richard M. Poniarski" Reply-To: "rponiarski@earthlink.net" To: "'w.t.brown'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: ESS Soundcard conflict with Real Audio Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:21:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Friday, September 05, 1997 12:18 AM, w.t.brown [SMTP:wtbrown@gte.net] wrote: > I have a Thinkpad 560, 120mz pentium, 16mb ram and cannot get Real Audio to > work > on the internet. It locks up with the built in sound card that IBM > provides with the > 560. It produces a chattering noise and I have to reboot to get rid of it. > Has any > one gotten Real Audio to work properly and have any suggestions? I have > Real Audio > working just fine with my Compaq desktop. > > RA works just fine on my 365XD. I use Netscape 4.01 and it hasn't caused a problem yet. The sound could be better, but no difficulties. Richard M. Poniarski rponiarski@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 5 23:27:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239936432; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:27:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15913; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:23:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15798; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15782; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@fr240.izap.com (port 13573 [207.211.45.240]) by shell.izap.com with SMTP id <228147-2114>; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:23:41 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970905203224.00696a50@izap.com> X-Sender: jg@izap.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 20:32:30 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: josh Subject: TP500 & 540 MB HDD, Need Help Partioning!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am trying to install a 540 MB in my ThinkPad 500. I can only get it to see a max of 515MB. I am losing 25MB! I know there is a trick but haven't been able to do it. My plans are to split my drive in 2 partions (270 & 270MB) , I want to load DOS/WIN95 on one half & LINUX on the other half. How do I get the TP500 to see th ewhole 540MB? thanks! jg@izap.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 6 00:37:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248690571; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:36:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18091; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:32:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17990; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17975; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-47.usc.edu [128.125.222.119]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id VAA25045; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970905213224.00ca295c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 21:32:31 -0700 To: josh From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP500 & 540 MB HDD, Need Help Partioning!!! Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:32 PM 9/5/97 -0700, josh wrote: >Hello, I am trying to install a 540 MB in my ThinkPad 500. I can only get >it to see a max of 515MB. >I am losing 25MB! >I know there is a trick but haven't been able to do it. > >My plans are to split my drive in 2 partions (270 & 270MB) , I want to load >DOS/WIN95 on one half & LINUX on the other half. > >How do I get the TP500 to see th ewhole 540MB? I'm almost certain you need a BIOS update. The 500 was made in a time when IDE drives were limited to about 510 MBs or so. You either need a special software driver or (better yet) an EIDE (Extended IDE) interface to see anything bigger. I don't know enough about the 500's to know whether the BIOS is flash-upgradeable, but I'm sure they are. Check IBM's web site. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 6 04:46:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274455618; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 04:46:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24241; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 04:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Sep 1997 04:44:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23978; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 04:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23951; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 04:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:31:30 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:31:25 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: josh Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP500 & 540 MB HDD, Need Help Partioning!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970905203224.00696a50@izap.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, josh wrote: > Hello, I am trying to install a 540 MB in my ThinkPad 500. I can only get > it to see a max of 515MB. > How do I get the TP500 to see th ewhole 540MB? Did you have a look at Gerard Lanois' TP500 page? http://www.users.cts.com/sd/l/lanois/tp500/ Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 6 09:33:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297622830; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:33:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05405; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:31:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05297; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsrv1.pcy.mci.net (mailsrv1.pcy.mci.net [204.71.0.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05285; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ripston (usr9-dialup6.mix1.WillowSprings.mci.net) by MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-9 #10044) with ESMTP id <01INBFXNJFXU9JD4TH@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:29:39 EDT Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 09:28:42 -0400 From: Neil Ripston Subject: FS: ThinkPad Hard Drive Caddy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01INBFXO8CL29JD4TH@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I bought a hard drive caddy about 4 months ago form somebody in this group, and I never used it. I paid $25.00 for it I think. If anybody is interested in it, I'll part with it for $20.00 plus shipping. I also have a 1.2 Gig hard drive for a ThinkPad 760 ED for sale. Make an offer on that, as I don't know what they are worth now. This drive is for the "Thick" models of the 760. Thanks, Neil Ripston@bigfoot.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 6 15:25:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA023833912; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 15:25:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14822; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:42:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14631; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulwal.paulwal.mindspring.com (user-38lc6kn.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.26.151]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14621; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:42:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by paulwal.paulwal.mindspring.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id NAA000.59; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:40:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199709061740.NAA000.59@paulwal.paulwal.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 97 13:27:51 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP500 & 540 MB HDD, Need Help Partioning!!! X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <58_158_4_873566871> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I suspect what you're seeing is the difference between 1 million bytes and 1 megabyte (1024 X 1024 = 1,048,576 bytes). Most manufacturers rate their hard drives in million-byte units, but the DOS fdisk command shows the capacity in megabyte units. Therefore: 540,000,000 bytes / 1,048,576 = 514.98 Megabytes The chkdsk command will show the actual byte count, however. So if you divide the drive into two equal partitions and format one under DOS, you should see about 270,000,000 bytes available. I have a desktop with an 850 million byte Western Digital drive set up as a single partition. Fdisk shows it as 813 Megabytes, but chkdsk shows it as 850,874,368 bytes. Paul -------o------- Paul Walukewicz paulwal@mindspring.com > Date: Fri, 05 Sep 97 20:32:30 -0700 > From: "josh" > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: TP500 & 540 MB HDD, Need Help Partioning!!! > > Hello, I am trying to install a 540 MB in my ThinkPad 500. I can only get > it to see a max of 515MB. > I am losing 25MB! > I know there is a trick but haven't been able to do it. > > My plans are to split my drive in 2 partions (270 & 270MB) , I want to load > DOS/WIN95 on one half & LINUX on the other half. > > How do I get the TP500 to see th ewhole 540MB? > > thanks! > > jg@izap.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 6 20:15:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA054751348; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:15:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26387; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:10:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26260; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26250; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mindspring.com (ip158.concord2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.27.158]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07858 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3411F0FE.FF1376C@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 17:10:39 -0700 From: Elvis Reply-To: elvislives@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: mwave questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I'm sitting here with my new 765D (166mmx/32meg/3gig/and a big fat 13.3 TFT) finnally, and I have some questions. Is anyone using the 28.8 to 33.6 mwave upgrade? Is there anyway to fix the sound degredation brought by using the higher speed? IBM list a whole bunch of restrictions as far as the 33.6 goes. Also, does anyone know why my sound would disapear after I suspend? It seems that by switching the mwave audio controls from CD and line to mike and then back again brings it back. Any quick and easy fix for this that I'm missing? thanks, Jeff elvislives@mindspring.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 7 01:59:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA092331944; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:59:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07618; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:54:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07489; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07478; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:54:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BzP00356; Sun, 07 Sep 1997 01:53:47 EDT To: jg@izap.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP500 & 540 MB HDD, Need Help Partioning!!! Message-Id: <19970906.225015.3071.4.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.32.19970905203224.00696a50@izap.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-23 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 01:53:47 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 20:32:30 -0700 josh writes: >Hello, I am trying to install a 540 MB in my ThinkPad 500. I can only >get >it to see a max of 515MB. >I am losing 25MB! >I know there is a trick but haven't been able to do it. > >My plans are to split my drive in 2 partions (270 & 270MB) , I want to >load >DOS/WIN95 on one half & LINUX on the other half. > >How do I get the TP500 to see th ewhole 540MB? > >thanks! > >jg@izap.com > > I think that it is because say a 270 drive (270 on the label) only gives you 250. One reason is that sometimes they count by 1,024KB, and others by 1000KB which = 1MB. I could be wrong on this, but that is what I heard. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 7 09:35:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA140469341; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:35:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25819; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:31:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25707; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1b.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25687; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from poppy.demon.co.uk ([158.152.35.157]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1411918; 7 Sep 97 14:07 BST From: Peter Goddard To: josh Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP500 & 540 MB HDD, Need Help Partioning!!! Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 12:51:22 GMT Organization: Poppy Films Message-Id: <3414a165.1477602@post.demon.co.uk> References: <3.0.32.19970905203224.00696a50@izap.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970905203224.00696a50@izap.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 20:32:30 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, I am trying to install a 540 MB in my ThinkPad 500. I can only = get >it to see a max of 515MB. >I am losing 25MB! >I know there is a trick but haven't been able to do it. > >My plans are to split my drive in 2 partions (270 & 270MB) , I want to = load >DOS/WIN95 on one half & LINUX on the other half. Beware about installing Linux on 270Mb, remember that you need a partition for the Linux swapfile (approx 40Mb) that leaves you with 230Mb, if you going for an install with most of the tools and X you won't have much space left for anything else. It takes quite a bit of time to get a Linux system up and running with X, it's a real pain to then run out of space and have to start again with another drive, I know because it's happen to me :-( pete >How do I get the TP500 to see th ewhole 540MB? This does sound like the 1000Kb v 1024Kb thing mentioned in other posts >thanks! > >jg@izap.com "All good quotes eventually | Peter Goddard appear in Newsgroups" | pete@poppy.demon.co.uk or Oskar Wild | pete@poppyfilms.co.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 7 18:40:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA199902039; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:40:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07863; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:37:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07719; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07683; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:37:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SbI05115; Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:36:19 EDT To: jg@izap.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP500 & 540 MB HDD, Need Help Partioning!!! Message-Id: <19970907.153215.4063.5.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.32.19970906234446.00699694@izap.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11,13-21,23-34,36-43,45,47-58,60-63 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:36:19 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 06 Sep 1997 23:44:48 -0700 josh writes: ....... >I have a question for you, >I own a THINKPAD 500 (12MB ram, 540 MB HDD). >Aside from my partioning problems (getting all 540 MB to be useable), >which >I think I have a handle on now... >Have you ever installed & ran LINUX? Until I needed the space for OS/2, I had 250MB allocated for Debian Linux. It's very confiurable, but I don't recommend the installation (because you have to choose EACH and EVERY individual file. This may have changed in a new release, though). >I am trying to install it from a Microsolutions "BACKPACK" Parallel >Port >CD-ROM. I know that Red Hat (at least the CD-ROM I have) has a batch file to boot Linux from the DOS prompt. I don't know if it recognizes parallel port CD-ROMS, though. Usually, you need to create Boot and Root disks. The boot obviously is what the name says - It boots up the system, and autodetects some things in your system. Root has various programs and the installation. >All the web pages I have found on the topic say it's "easy", well I >can't >get it to work ! When you get used to it, it is, but on a mobile computer, it can be a pain setting it up. I actually setup a 40MB partition (FAT) for the hibernation file and also put the compressed debian files in there, and mounted the disk so I could install from there. >How the heck to get LINUX to see it so I can install LINUX.? >Do I tyoe something at teh LILOboot prompt? > You might consider Slackware, because it has disk series, where you can install the whole thing more easily off of floppy disketts. I actually like it, but if I had my choice, I'd choose Debian (except that installation is a nightmare - try and see for yourself). >If you knwo anything , I would appreciate your help if you know... > > I'm not a UNIX expert, but I would consider myself sort of intermediate, so I will try to answer what I know. Also, X windows suprisingly ran well with XFishtank, a background of moving fish, FVWM95, which is a window manager with a Windows 95-type of look, and various terms. I also only have 12MB of RAM in my machine, and had NO swap partition. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 7 18:50:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201072656; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:50:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08238; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:48:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08101; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08082; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:48:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ShR05115; Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:47:54 EDT To: pete@poppy.demon.co.uk Cc: jg@izap.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP500 & 540 MB HDD, Need Help Partioning!!! Message-Id: <19970907.154429.4063.9.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.32.19970905203224.00696a50@izap.com> <3414a165.1477602@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-20 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:47:54 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Beware about installing Linux on 270Mb, remember that you need a >partition for the Linux swapfile (approx 40Mb) I thought you could you could have quite a few swap partitions (I think there might be a limit), but the size limit for the swap is only 16MB. That's just what I heard. that leaves you with >230Mb, if you going for an install with most of the tools and X you >won't have much space left for anything else. It takes quite a bit of >time to get a Linux system up and running with X, it's a real pain to >then run out of space and have to start again with another drive, I >know because it's happen to me :-( > >pete Size also depends on the distribution. Debian is harder, because you have to choose EVERYTHING. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 7 21:48:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222053335; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:48:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12647; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:40:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12478; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m17.boston.juno.com (m17.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12427; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from thinkpad701@juno.com) by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VMP12093; Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:38:34 EDT To: isamu@pacificnet.net, control-c@juno.com, rlowes@concentric.net, johnutwe@aol.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, paul@geeky1.ebtech.net, tfenderman@aol.com, deanfrench@aol.com, tshrake@mindspring.com, mitchyee@slipnet.com, mitchell_yee@jud.ca.gov Subject: Re: New temporary address Message-Id: <19970907.183434.4079.1.thinkpad701@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10 From: thinkpad701@juno.com (Paul A Khoury) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:38:34 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't mean to keep bothering all of you, but again, I am having problems with the other address, and my guest account (for internet access) doesn't seem to make a socket connection to use hotmail, so this is my new email address. Thanks for your understanding. Regards, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 03:03:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257462207; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:03:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21829; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:57:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21503; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (root@rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.33.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21493; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24660; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:57:07 +0200 Received: from localhost by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de; (5.65/imdm-1.1b) id AA18393; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:58:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:58:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thorsten Jaekel To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 500 & 540 MB HDD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University Hospital Eppendorf / Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As someone already has pointed out, this is probably the diffence between 540 million bytes and 515 Megabytes. (515 x 1.024 x 1.024 = 540). Anyway, in case you need a harddisk larger than your machine's BIOS recognizes, you do not necessarily need to get a BIOS upgrade. You can use software like Ontrack diskmanager to circumvent the problem, at least for DOS and Windows. Come to think of it, does anyone know about OS/2 and software like diskmanager? There is probably no solution for linux. I like the software approach because upgrading the BIOS can go wrong leaving you with a nonworking system. This then would have to be fixed by IBM or an IBM repair place... Thorsten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 09:58:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293617130; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:58:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10094; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:51:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09691; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09625; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 41400f80; Mon, 8 Sep 97 09:43:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:43:20 -0400 Message-Id: <41400f80@doblegate.doble.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Thorsten Jaekel Subject: Re[2]: TP 500 & 540 MB HDD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.873726199" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.873726199 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from [128.169.94.1] by doblegate.doble.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 413a17d0; Mon, 8 Sep 97 02:55:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21543; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:57:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21503; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (root@rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [1 34.100.33.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21493; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (AIX 4.1 /UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24660; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:57:07 +0200 Received: from localhost by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de; (5.65/imdm-1.1b) id AA18393; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:58:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:58:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thorsten Jaekel To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 500 & 540 MB HDD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University Hospital Eppendorf / Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.873726199 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello, The software that IBM ships with their large drives (Ontrack DM) also supports OS/2. In fact there is a version of the ST506 (i.e. HD) driver that understands DM partitions. I think this version is in Warp 4. I was able to use DM on an old 486 desktop with a 1.7 Gig Drive and run both Win95 and OS/2 on it. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU --IMA.Boundary.873726199-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 14:23:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA038113011; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:23:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26471; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:18:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26220; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26208; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip129-37-91-82.sc.us.ibm.net [129.37.91.82]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA45910 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:17:51 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970908141652.0098e2d0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 14:16:52 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: TP770 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Someone was asking about this a couple of weeks ago: http://www.ibm.com/News/1997/09/ls970908.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 16:09:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA055339359; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:09:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02927; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:02:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02659; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu (rho.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02636; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tau.ben2.ucla.edu (tau.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.32]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA30608 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:02:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD FORREST URENDA Subject: Memory on Thinkpad 750 and 360c To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 4mb card from Simple Technologies for the Thinkpad 750. Will this work on the Thinkpad 360c as well? Thanks in advance, Eddie Urenda From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 16:12:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA055869518; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:11:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03110; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:04:25 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02885; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA08891; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F34.hotmail.com [207.82.250.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15197; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14944 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1997 15:28:37 -0000 Message-Id: <19970908152837.14943.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.211.62.208 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:28:35 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.211.62.208] From: "Paul Khoury" To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 500 & 540 MB HDD Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:28:35 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 00:00:10 1997 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id CAA21565; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:59:17 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:57:17 -0400 >Received: > by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id CAA21503; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:57:16 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (root@rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.33.12]) > by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id CAA21493; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:57:11 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) > id AA24660; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:57:07 +0200 >Received: from localhost by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de; (5.65/imdm-1.1b) > id AA18393; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:58:07 +0200 >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:58:07 +0200 (MET DST) >From: Thorsten Jaekel >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: TP 500 & 540 MB HDD >In-Reply-To: >Message-Id: >Organization: University Hospital Eppendorf / Hamburg >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >As someone already has pointed out, this is probably the diffence between >540 million bytes and 515 Megabytes. (515 x 1.024 x 1.024 = 540). >Anyway, in case you need a harddisk larger than your machine's BIOS >recognizes, you do not necessarily need to get a BIOS upgrade. You can use >software like Ontrack diskmanager to circumvent the problem, at least for >DOS and Windows. Come to think of it, does anyone know about OS/2 and >software like diskmanager? There is probably no solution for linux. >I like the software approach because upgrading the BIOS can go wrong >leaving you with a nonworking system. This then would have to be fixed by >IBM or an IBM repair place... > >Thorsten > What Thorsten says is correct. In reading the Ontrack docs that came with a Maxtor drive, it says it works fine under Win 95/NT, DOS and OS/2 (and I have tried it with OS/2, but I don't think that HPFS will work though :-< ). It says that Linux doesn't support it, or something like that. I think that if you have the money, you might consider buying a second hard drive, one for your other OS, and one for Linux. Regards, Paul ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 16:16:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056849788; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:16:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03843; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:13:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03689; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03656; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10538 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:07:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT 4.0 Workstation on a ThinkPad? In-Reply-To: <19970903.230309.3855.36.pkhoury@juno.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks to all of you who responded to this inquiry--given the 16 megs ram in this machine and the fact that it's a 486 at 75 MHz, I am taking your advice and staying with OS/2 & Win 3.1. I shall have to find something else for NT! Annelise From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 17:35:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA072524546; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:35:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09265; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:30:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08997; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08953; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@[207.94.133.6] (port 56326 [207.94.133.6]) by shell.izap.com with ESMTP id <228135-7156>; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:30:11 -0700 Message-Id: <34146E25.508FA186@izap.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 14:29:09 -0700 From: josh Organization: nope X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: IS WIN NT 4.0 ON A TP500 POSSIBLE??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 500. 486 SLC50 12MB RAM 540 HD. Is it possible to run WIN NT 4.0 on this little machine, or should I avoid the idea altogether? I'd like to have access to some of WIN NT 4.0's administrative tools so I can do some things "remotely" to teh network at my work. I understand NT needs a min of 11mb RAM to run, but will I be a massichist by trying to run it on my TP500? Your input is appreciated before I embark on this potentially futile attempt at installing it. josh jg@izap.com or josh.gomez@intisys.com www.intisys.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 21:00:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102846814; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:00:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18348; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:57:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18210; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18187; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:54:00 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCBC81.9BA7CDC0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:04:10 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCBC81.9BA7CDC0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: ac cord of 760 adapter Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:04:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ---------- From: tisol[SMTP:machule@triumf.ca] Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 4:48 PM To: 'Paul Rubin' Subject: RE: ac cord of 760 adapter What the hell did they send you ?? ;-} The part number you want : 85G6704 aka FRU (field replaceable unit) 85G6705 It came with my 760E 2.4" * 1.0" * 3.9" Has two cords one a skinny 6-7' foot with a 750 ,755,360,760,etc..... connector (4pin) on it. This cord is attached to the power supply. The other one ...the AC one is a 2 prong ,3feet long quite small and standard. It plugs into the power supply ....and the wall. Same type is used by Toshibas ( I think; ...don't have one in front of me right now) and MANY other devices. This cord is NOT keyed at either end. Do a COMPUTER ESP search : http://www.uvision.com/ Price should be $47 ?? But if you do a search you get: 85G7611 worldwide 35 watt ac adapter slim http://www.uvision.com/prdct/022/91.html : ACMade by:IBM Personal Software Products Mfr Part#:85G6711 Lowest Price: $44.08 Ship Weight:1.22 lbs TRY ibm parts: http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts/thinkpad/tpad760e.htm this shows mine as 85G6705 (field replacement part ) $81.50 and a 85G67501 EMEA/AP type $49 Hmmmmmm??? 1-800-765-5944 shipping is free. Hope I helped ;-} ..peter.. ---------- From: Paul Rubin[SMTP:phr@netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 1997 2:55 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ac cord of 760 adapter Well, I'd like to thank the people who responded to my post looking for a 760-style AC adapter for my 755cx. I managed to get one from Insight Direct. I have mixed impressions of Insight service but they did get the thing here. It's a slim adapter, P/n 12J1447 FRU P/N 12J1448. It says in the instruction booklet that it works with various models of 760 but doesn't list the 755cx; however the salesperson said it supported the 755 series and in fact I'm using it and it works. What I'm wondering is about the AC cord, which is a flat, fairly thick 3-wire cord with a weird 3-pin connector (*not* a standard IEC cord) that plugs into the pack. This cord is kind of bulky and partly defeats the purpose of a compact adapter. I had kind of remembered seeing a 2-conductor cord on my friend's 365xd adapter, which otherwise looks similar. Was I imagining things? Do any of those adapters use a 2-conductor cord? This adapter in any case is a pretty big improvement over what I used to have... Thanks again Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 8 22:44:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117583065; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:44:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22041; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:30:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21919; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21907; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:33:37 -0400 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCBCA6.ACC0A2B0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:29:30 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCBCA6.ACC0A2B0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: wtb: 701 AC adapter Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:29:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu 'llo All, I just got my 701 back from EZ-Serve for what I thought was a busted DC-DC-Board, but it turns out that the power-brick is busted. This same power adapter is also on back order at IBM... Needless to say, I ran my batteries empty figuring this one out, so for the meantime I'm left with a technically intruiging paperweight... Anyhow, if anyone has any thoughts on this, or a power adapter left over from a stolen 701 or something of that kind, let me know :) axel ps: having to bike to office for my late-evening email does keep me in shape, though. ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice-by-Wire : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Paper-by-Wire on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GE d->+ s+: a- C++ UL++++ P+ L++>+++ !E W++ N+ o? K? w+++@ O- M-- V-- !PS !PE Y+ PGP+@ t++ 5? X? R- tv+(++) b++ DI+++ D+ G e+++@ h-->++(*) r++ y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 08:09:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176776971; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:09:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13736; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:05:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13553; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13527; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:05:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from uucp5.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: uucp5.UU.NET [192.48.96.36]) id QQdgge12075; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.UUCP by uucp5.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:05:39 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by mailgw.wellspringres.com id AA873816748 Tue, 09 Sep 97 07:52:28 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 97 07:52:28 Message-Id: <9708098738.AA873816748@mailgw.wellspringres.com> To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , josh Subject: Re: IS WIN NT 4.0 ON A TP500 POSSIBLE??? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No can do. You need at least 16MB RAM and with only 16MB your disk would be constantly busy. I've run it on a 486/75 w/24MB RAM and that works sort-of ok; with NT more is always better! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: IS WIN NT 4.0 ON A TP500 POSSIBLE??? Author: josh at Internet Date: 9/8/97 2:29 PM I have a Thinkpad 500. 486 SLC50 12MB RAM 540 HD. Is it possible to run WIN NT 4.0 on this little machine, or should I avoid the idea altogether? I'd like to have access to some of WIN NT 4.0's administrative tools so I can do some things "remotely" to teh network at my work. I understand NT needs a min of 11mb RAM to run, but will I be a massichist by trying to run it on my TP500? Your input is appreciated before I embark on this potentially futile attempt at installing it. josh jg@izap.com or josh.gomez@intisys.com www.intisys.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 09:48:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA188942909; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:48:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19676; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:45:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19490; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19479; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drd (ppp-126.shadow.net [209.4.38.146]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12804 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709091346.JAA12804@anshar.shadow.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:38:32 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm also looking for a power adapter for the 701. Preferably the standard, not the international. Of course, Axel gets the first offer. Thank you, Geo ---------- > From: Axel Hartmann > To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' > Subject: wtb: 701 AC adapter > Date: Monday, September 08, 1997 10:29 PM > > 'llo All, > > I just got my 701 back from EZ-Serve for what I thought was a busted DC-DC-Board, but it turns out that the power-brick is busted. > > This same power adapter is also on back order at IBM... > > Needless to say, I ran my batteries empty figuring this one out, so for the meantime I'm left with a technically intruiging paperweight... > > Anyhow, if anyone has any thoughts on this, or a power adapter left over >from a stolen 701 or something of that kind, let me know :) > > axel > > ps: having to bike to office for my late-evening email does keep me in shape, though. > > ............................................................................ > . Axel Hartmann . > . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . > . Voice-by-Wire : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Paper-by-Wire on demand . > ............................................................................ > . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . > . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . > . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . > . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . > ............................................................................ > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GE d->+ s+: a- C++ UL++++ P+ L++>+++ !E W++ N+ o? K? w+++@ O- M-- V-- !PS > !PE Y+ PGP+@ t++ 5? X? R- tv+(++) b++ DI+++ D+ G e+++@ h-->++(*) r++ y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 12:46:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218883591; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:46:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29595; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:35:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28953; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28943; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cnw.com (dyn-128-24.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.24]) by baker.cnw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28825 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709091634.JAA28825@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Tue, 09 Sep 97 09:32:29 -0700 To: In-Reply-To: <199709091346.JAA12804@anshar.shadow.net> Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.32 b33 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can I be third in line? I think any kind will do, it will plug in at the office and stay there. On 09/09/97 "Geovanny M. Ortiz" said: > I'm also looking for a power adapter for the 701. Preferably the > standard, not the international. Of course, Axel gets the first offer. > Thank you, > Geo Vicky -- ___________________________________________________________ Vicky Stables, CPA stables@cnw.com ___________________________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 14:19:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235639174; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:19:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04344; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:06:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04047; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frio.2xtreme.net (espresso.2xtreme.net [208.147.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04031; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hysterium ([208.147.33.118]) by frio.2xtreme.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-34955U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA264; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:11:19 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970909110443.034776e8@espresso.2xtreme.net> X-Sender: geige@espresso.2xtreme.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:04:43 -0700 To: Axel Hartmann , "Geovanny M. Ortiz" , Vicky Stables , From: Dale Chao Subject: Re: wtb: 701 AC adapter In-Reply-To: <01BCBCA6.ACC0A2B0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I don't actually have one for sale, but I wanted to pass on another possibility, although it might be too expensive. A while back I bought a battery pack which runs the thinkpad about 6 hours from 1-800-Batteries for about $189. It came with a DC power cord for the TP701 as well as an AC-to-DC adapter. So these are the possibilities: (1) You could buy a power pack from them, or (2) You could buy a DC power cord (there must be more than one company making these things) and use it with either (a) your car or (b) buy an ac-to-dc adapter. I think you might be able to do this for around $100. At 10:29 PM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >'llo All, > >I just got my 701 back from EZ-Serve for what I thought was a busted DC-DC-Board, but it turns out that the power-brick is busted. > >This same power adapter is also on back order at IBM... > >Needless to say, I ran my batteries empty figuring this one out, so for the meantime I'm left with a technically intruiging paperweight... > >Anyhow, if anyone has any thoughts on this, or a power adapter left over >from a stolen 701 or something of that kind, let me know :) > >axel > >ps: having to bike to office for my late-evening email does keep me in shape, though. > >............................................................................. >.. Axel Hartmann . >.. Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . >.. Voice-by-Wire : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Paper-by-Wire on demand . >............................................................................. >.. Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . >.. Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . >.. E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . >.. Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . >............................................................................. >-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >Version: 3.12 >GE d->+ s+: a- C++ UL++++ P+ L++>+++ !E W++ N+ o? K? w+++@ O- M-- V-- !PS >!PE Y+ PGP+@ t++ 5? X? R- tv+(++) b++ DI+++ D+ G e+++@ h-->++(*) r++ y? >------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary Email: geige@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 14:30:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237629801; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:30:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05628; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:25:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05446; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu (merle.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05429; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by merle.acns.nwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA08757; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:25:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from eng223145.res-hall.nwu.edu(205.212.223.145) by merle.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma007731; Tue, 9 Sep 97 13:24:36 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970909132412.006a62f4@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: jcl757@merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 13:24:12 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jason Lin Subject: re: refurbished IBM products Cc: jasonlin@nwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In the past two months, I have bought two refurbished Thinkpad 560 (P100/8MB/810HD) from two different vendors. Unfortunately, both of Thinkpads required repair upon my receiving them. (Fortunately, IBM's EZServe was wonderful). I was wondering if others have had bought refurbished IBM goods, whether they be Thinkpads or others products, and encountered the same unfortunate circumstances. Moreover, one thing I have noticed about the two IBM notebooks I bought was that it had a sticker on the back which stated ,"The product is refurbished and contains USED parts." (capital letters are mine). I have bought many refurbished products before in the past from many different manufacturers such as Compaq, HP, NEC, Sony, etc. but none of them claim to use "USED" parts. Furthermore, all of the non-IBM refurbished products I have bought appeared new, physically- you couldn't tell them apart from a "new" product with the naked eye. However, the two IBM's I received had some minor physical blemishes. I was wondering if anybody knows anything about how IBM "refurbishes" its goods. jason jasonlin@nwu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 15:29:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA249873375; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:29:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08862; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:21:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08656; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdems.ge.com (root@crdems.GE.COM [192.35.44.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08642; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from schs03.sch.ge.com by crdems.ge.com (5.65/GE 1.77) id AA16588; Tue, 9 Sep 97 15:21:24 -0400 Received: from SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM (smtpgw.sch.ge.com [3.10.206.1]) by schs03.sch.ge.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14692 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM with Microsoft Mailid <3415A213@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM>; Tue, 09 Sep 97 15:22:59 edt From: "Schechter, Aaron (PS)" To: "'ThinkPad Mailing List'" Subject: Re: IS WIN NT 4.0 ON A TP500 POSSIBLE??? Date: Tue, 09 Sep 97 15:21:00 edt Message-Id: <3415A213@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM> Encoding: 60 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Josh, Depending on what type of administrative tools you require, you may be able to get away with an add-on to Win95 called Windows NT Server Management Tools. This is available for free from Microsoft's Web site and provides the following tools for administering an NT Server (assuming you have administrator level privileges): User Manager Server Manager Event Viewer Allows changing/setting Permissions/Auditing/Ownership of files and directories on an NT server. I used the these tools on a TP360P (486SL33) with 12/20 MB of RAM for 8-9 months to perform administrative duties on an NT server. Other than being slow, Win95 will run on this platform. Goto the following Microsoft website and look for "Windows NT Server Management Tools", it is near the bottom of the list. I believe the file (nexus.exe) is a little over a 1MB in size. http://www.microsoft.com/isapi/support/ps_sl.idc?purl=/windows/&pfx=w95&ba se=windowssupport&kbd=win95x&sl=q_misc95 HTH, Aaron schechaa@css1.sch.ge.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 14:29:09 -0700 From: josh To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: IS WIN NT 4.0 ON A TP500 POSSIBLE??? Message-Id: <34146E25.508FA186@izap.com> I have a Thinkpad 500. 486 SLC50 12MB RAM 540 HD. Is it possible to run WIN NT 4.0 on this little machine, or should I avoid the idea altogether? I'd like to have access to some of WIN NT 4.0's administrative tools so I can do some things "remotely" to teh network at my work. I understand NT needs a min of 11mb RAM to run, but will I be a massichist by trying to run it on my TP500? Your input is appreciated before I embark on this potentially futile attempt at installing it. josh jg@izap.com or josh.gomez@intisys.com www.intisys.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 16:14:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258396052; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:14:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12865; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:12:03 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12743; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA15375; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frio.2xtreme.net (espresso.2xtreme.net [208.147.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12269; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hysterium ([208.147.53.125]) by frio.2xtreme.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-34955U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA219; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:11:57 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970909130618.03484b54@espresso.2xtreme.net> X-Sender: geige@espresso.2xtreme.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 13:06:18 -0700 To: Jason Lin , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: re: refurbished IBM products Cc: jasonlin@nwu.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970909132412.006a62f4@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Jason, I actually bought my 701CS from the IBM PC Factory Outlet and it was refurbished. Apart from a monumuental mix-up getting the thing to me in the first place, I haven't had any complaints. Mine has the sticker about the used parts as well. I've been very happy with it and found EZServe to be great as well. At 01:24 PM 9/9/97 -0500, Jason Lin wrote: >In the past two months, I have bought two refurbished Thinkpad 560 >(P100/8MB/810HD) from two different vendors. Unfortunately, both of >Thinkpads required repair upon my receiving them. (Fortunately, IBM's >EZServe was wonderful). I was wondering if others have had bought >refurbished IBM goods, whether they be Thinkpads or others products, and >encountered the same unfortunate circumstances. > >Moreover, one thing I have noticed about the two IBM notebooks I bought was >that it had a sticker on the back which stated ,"The product is refurbished >and contains USED parts." (capital letters are mine). I have bought many >refurbished products before in the past from many different manufacturers >such as Compaq, HP, NEC, Sony, etc. but none of them claim to use "USED" >parts. Furthermore, all of the non-IBM refurbished products I have bought >appeared new, physically- you couldn't tell them apart from a "new" product >with the naked eye. However, the two IBM's I received had some minor >physical blemishes. I was wondering if anybody knows anything about how >IBM "refurbishes" its goods. > >jason > >jasonlin@nwu.edu > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary Email: geige@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 16:17:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259086272; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:17:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12710; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:09:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12559; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12536; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 13:06:18 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCBD22.9947F9A0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:16:35 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCBD22.9947F9A0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Jason Lin'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: refurbished IBM products Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:16:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My TP 760E was also bought Refurbed. It arrived semi DOA . Hard Drive would not spin up first few times ,when it finally did, it soon crashed. My experience with EZServe was less wonderful . They send the shipping container to the east coast ( I was in Washington, west coast) Wasted a full day waiting for the DAMN thing. They finally resend it after FEDEX returned it . Called FEDEX to pick up the now filled box. FEDEX could not pick up the box (but spend 2 days wasting my time by saying that to call them shortly to see if they could fit me in) so I then delievered it to the airport myself. I send a long letter with TP documenting the whole disaster .....no response. 10 Days after receiving my "new" toy, I finally got it. (ie working) The "New" install of all the software wasn't; it was only Win95 not A or B (OSR2 ) plus non optimum video drivers. TP did NOT come with a CD of 95, only the "option " to make 30-40 backup disks. UHH folks my computer is supposed to work for me ...not the other way around. NOR can you pay a small fee and get the CD. It is NOT available. (Mind you Toshiba has no problem selling you a CD(s).A CD also ships with a few of their models) The TP itself is excellent . It looks new.. Best part ..The price was half of a "new" one. The warranty is 3 years ANYwhere on this planet . A 12.1 inch Active Matrix screen is "nice".Only one small pixel sometimes stays on. M-wave support is dismal. Netmeeting does Not work full-duplex and NO one has an answer. I have not tried the new 33.6 K drivers but everyone says stay away. IBM part number/Model number system is MORONIC . At last count there are 50 + different versions of the 760. EVERY part has at least 2 numbers . One is regular the other as a Field Replaceable Unit ....this is nuts ! Even my 760E has a High and a Low version . The High version has a few more millimetres of height to fit a CD ROM. Keyboard is good but Not great . My TP 360e has a better keyboard. The AC adapter is MUCH better (smaller) than the older 75x series. Most Toshibas don't need a AC adapter...which is better still. Quality of plastic is better than the Toshiba Tecras (their High end model) The ability to add 2 DIMM modules is good . The use of a DIMM carier (another circuit card) to hold the sockets is stupid. I feel much better now (grin). ..peter.. As to the POSSIBLE use of used parts in the Refurbed units ...who cares. ---------- From: Jason Lin[SMTP:jasonlin@nwu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 11:24 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: jasonlin@nwu.edu Subject: re: refurbished IBM products In the past two months, I have bought two refurbished Thinkpad 560 (P100/8MB/810HD) from two different vendors. Unfortunately, both of Thinkpads required repair upon my receiving them. (Fortunately, IBM's EZServe was wonderful). I was wondering if others have had bought refurbished IBM goods, whether they be Thinkpads or others products, and encountered the same unfortunate circumstances. Moreover, one thing I have noticed about the two IBM notebooks I bought was that it had a sticker on the back which stated ,"The product is refurbished and contains USED parts." (capital letters are mine). I have bought many refurbished products before in the past from many different manufacturers such as Compaq, HP, NEC, Sony, etc. but none of them claim to use "USED" parts. Furthermore, all of the non-IBM refurbished products I have bought appeared new, physically- you couldn't tell them apart from a "new" product with the naked eye. However, the two IBM's I received had some minor physical blemishes. I was wondering if anybody knows anything about how IBM "refurbishes" its goods. POORLY ;-| jason jasonlin@nwu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 18:19:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA292753552; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:19:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20213; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:14:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20040; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19997; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA01120; Tue, 9 Sep 97 12:14:08 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA02441; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:14:32 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709092214.MAA02441@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: re: refurbished IBM products To: jasonlin@nwu.edu (Jason Lin) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 12:14:31 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970909132412.006a62f4@merle.acns.nwu.edu>; from "Jason Lin" at Sep 9, 97 1:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Moreover, one thing I have noticed about the two IBM notebooks I bought was > that it had a sticker on the back which stated ,"The product is refurbished > and contains USED parts." (capital letters are mine). I have bought many > refurbished products before in the past from many different manufacturers > such as Compaq, HP, NEC, Sony, etc. but none of them claim to use "USED" 'Claim' is the wrong word; you want 'admit' here. A refurbed product is used *by definition*. I've also bought lots of refurbed equipment from several manufacturers; some have cosmetic damage, some don't, some work perfectly, some have quirks not caught by the final inspection process. This is the price we pay for getting a good price. As long as the company fixes any problems that crop up, I have no problem with it. 2 years ago I bought a top-of-the-line NEC 15" monitor from their outlet store for $350 *including* air freight to Hawaii (about $50 worth of shipping); it arrived with a red scratch on the beige case. Maybe I should have sent it back:-) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 18:22:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293333741; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:22:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20837; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:20:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20589; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20577; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cccpw.pw.co.contra-costa.ca.us (h206-80-46-42.ccnet.com [206.80.46.42]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id PAA18144 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3415AF2E.508CBA2A@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:18:54 -0500 From: jeff kiyoi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: 755CX 8 meg Ram card X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If anyone is interested I have an old 8 meg 755cx credit card style ram chip. I'll sell it pretty cheap. Thanks, Jeff elvislives@mindspring.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 9 18:25:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293753927; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:25:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20544; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:18:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20356; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20307; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA01135; Tue, 9 Sep 97 12:17:43 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA02463; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:18:06 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709092218.MAA02463@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter To: o-n-a@shadow.net (Geovanny M. Ortiz) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 12:18:06 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199709091346.JAA12804@anshar.shadow.net>; from "Geovanny M. Ortiz" at Sep 9, 97 9:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If Randy Whittle (or someone else with both a 701 and a 560) is listening, maybe we can find out if the 560 adapter will work on the 701; having used both machines, I can say that I *much* prefer the 560 adapter form factor. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 00:05:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA050324319; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:05:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04188; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:56:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04062; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04052; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cminns (async16-3.remote.ualberta.ca [129.128.237.12]) by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA30498 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:56:38 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970910035607.0068ba8c@pop.srv.ualberta.ca> X-Sender: agh1@pop.srv.ualberta.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:56:07 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Grant Hilsenteger Subject: Portable Printers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I was out looking for a printer that was a good portable that would complement a TP. As I was looking I thought that I should ask the people on this list. What is a good portable printer for a TP? Looking around the 300-400 range. I was looking at a BJC-80, but can't find a store that has thenm in stock. Grant Hilsenteger agh1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 01:09:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA059798187; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:09:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06255; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:02:27 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06136; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA18926; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03864; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-f-14.usc.edu [128.125.223.86]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id UAA10972; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970909195311.007384cc@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:48:17 -0700 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter Cc: o-n-a@shadow.net (Geovanny M. Ortiz), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:18 PM 9/9/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >If Randy Whittle (or someone else with both a 701 and a 560) is >listening, maybe we can find out if the 560 adapter will work on the >701; having used both machines, I can say that I *much* prefer the 560 >adapter form factor. The barrel plug appears to be the same (and the same polarity) but the output is slightly different. Its like this: The 701 Adapter: 16 V at 1.88 A The 560 Adapter: 16 V at 2.2 A Whether one "works" with the other or not, I do not know, but it seems pretty close. But I'm not going to try it (particularly using the 560 adapter on the 701) since I have no desire to take any risks with my equipment (no matter how remote the risk may be). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 02:47:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073594027; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:47:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08852; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:43:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08748; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kim.teleport.com (kim.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08738; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip-pdx01-05.teleport.com (ip-pdx01-05.teleport.com [206.163.123.7]) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20116 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709100643.XAA20116@kim.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: re: refurbished IBM products Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Glad to hear other's thoughts on refurbs. I also bought my 701 from the outlet and have had no problems. It had the sticker and there was a cute name on the drive to indicate it was indeed used but there was no apparent blemishes on the case or etc. You have to remember that the "no questions asked" return policy from the outlet is only 10 days instead of the 30 days on new gear. If your careful or lucky it is painless...if you're not (either) then you dance with EZserv. I have had no problems. Bryan At 01:06 PM 9/9/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Jason, > >I actually bought my 701CS from the IBM PC Factory Outlet and it was >refurbished. Apart from a monumuental mix-up getting the thing to me in the >first place, I haven't had any complaints. Mine has the sticker about the >used parts as well. I've been very happy with it and found EZServe to be >great as well. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 04:07:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA092948818; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:06:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11381; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:04:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11174; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11153; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA03214; Tue, 9 Sep 97 22:04:14 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA03909; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:04:37 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709100804.WAA03909@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter To: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 22:04:37 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, o-n-a@shadow.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970909195311.007384cc@rcf.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Sep 9, 97 8:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I believe that the amperage rating on these adapters is the maximum you are allowed to draw, not an amount that is 'forced' down the wire and into the machine, though I have to admit that my electronic hobbyist days are about a quarter of a century behind me. - David > > At 12:18 PM 9/9/97 HST, David Ross wrote: > >If Randy Whittle (or someone else with both a 701 and a 560) is > >listening, maybe we can find out if the 560 adapter will work on the > >701; having used both machines, I can say that I *much* prefer the 560 > >adapter form factor. > > The barrel plug appears to be the same (and the same polarity) but the > output is slightly different. Its like this: > > The 701 Adapter: > 16 V at 1.88 A > > The 560 Adapter: > 16 V at 2.2 A > > Whether one "works" with the other or not, I do not know, but it seems > pretty close. > > But I'm not going to try it (particularly using the 560 adapter on the > 701) since I have no desire to take any risks with my equipment (no matter > how remote the risk may be). > > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 14:05:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187324733; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:05:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11199; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:49:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10633; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10623; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.218.122.20] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id AD7DA3010C; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:48:45 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970910104558.006ac37c@mail.netnevada.net> X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:45:58 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: Suggest for list admin.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Would it be possible to make the default reply-to: header on messages from this list so that any replies will go back to the list, and not to the original sender? I inevitably always send responses back to the original sender before I realize it, and then send it to the list as well.. ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 14:05:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187474756; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:05:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12340; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:03:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12172; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from romeo.its.uwo.ca (romeo.its.uwo.ca [129.100.2.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12150; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panther.uwo.ca by romeo.its.uwo.ca with ESMTP id NAA04903; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by panther.uwo.ca with SMTP id NAA08809; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Starkey" X-Sender: jstarkey@panther.uwo.ca To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu subscribe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Starkey, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3B7 tel: (519) 661 3185 fax: (519) 661 3198 e-mail: jstarkey@julian.uwo.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 14:06:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187534768; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:06:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11191; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:47:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10496; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10485; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.218.122.20] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id AD0FA1010C; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:46:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970910104408.006b68f0@mail.netnevada.net> X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:44:08 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: Good Refurb Deals (re: refurbished IBM products) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >2 years ago I bought a top-of-the-line NEC 15" monitor from their outlet >store for $350 *including* air freight to Hawaii (about $50 worth of >shipping); it arrived with a red scratch on the beige case. Maybe I >should have sent it back:-) > >- David Heh.. I got a Viewsonic PT770 from a local repair/refurb place for $475. Last I saw, this monitor was going for like $800. I am REAL pleased. Oh, it has a scuff mark on the Viewsonic Logo. :) ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 14:41:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193166896; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:41:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11195; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:47:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10472; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10453; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.218.122.20] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id ACF19F010C; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:46:25 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970910104338.0333310c@mail.netnevada.net> X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:43:38 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: re: refurbished IBM products Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:43 PM 9/9/97 -0700, you wrote: >Glad to hear other's thoughts on refurbs. I also bought my 701 from the >outlet and have had no problems. It had the sticker and there was a cute >name on the drive to indicate it was indeed used but there was no apparent >blemishes on the case or etc. I also got my 701 in teh same manner. I got it from a store I was working at (Computer City). It was a display model. They had 2: 1. active, with the 720 drive, port replicator, power supply and battery. 2. Dual Scan, 340 drive, none of the rest. They didn't even think it worked. Both were sold for $200. Somebody got to th eActive screen before I got to work that day. Even still, it's tough to feel sorry for oneself when I got a cool laptop, with full warranty, for $200. I went around with EZServe, an easy experience, and they pretty much replaced everything. ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 15:56:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204961398; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:56:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21250; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:49:27 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21112; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA24900; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([209.60.190.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20900; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.14] by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ca355890 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:45:34 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970910104558.006ac37c@mail.netnevada.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:46:03 -0800 To: Vernon Brooks , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Suggest for list admin.. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:45 AM -0700 9/10/97, Vernon Brooks wrote: >Would it be possible to make the default reply-to: header on messages from >this list so that any replies will go back to the list, and not to the >original sender? I inevitably always send responses back to the original >sender before I realize it, and then send it to the list as well.. Most replies don't need to go to the whole list, we have plenty of social messages as it is. You should be able to set an option in your email reader to default reply to all. Just my two cents after holding down the option key while pressing the reply command. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 16:03:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205991832; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:03:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22289; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:59:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21981; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maildeliver0.tiac.net (maildeliver0.tiac.net [199.0.65.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21970; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay.tiac.net (mailrelay.tiac.net [199.0.65.237]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.0/8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04156 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.ts29.metro.MA.tiac.com (p13.ts29.metro.MA.tiac.com [206.119.238.206]) by mailrelay.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA21893 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by p13.ts29.metro.MA.tiac.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCBE01.22FECD20@p13.ts29.metro.MA.tiac.com>; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:49:35 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCBE01.22FECD20@p13.ts29.metro.MA.tiac.com> From: "Mark M. Ingerman" To: "'Thinkpad'" Subject: Probelms with winOS2 on 760 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:44:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a friend who has recently upgraded to a 760EL. He is running = OS/2 version 3.0. When he goes into Quicken ( 5.0 for windows ) in the = WinOS2 environmen he gets the following error: QW caused a GPF in module CYBW31HS.DRV at 0006:22DC He did not have this problem with his previous thinkpad. Does anybody = know what the CYBW31HS.DRV driver is and why he would be having a = problem with it? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 17:15:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218086131; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:15:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26448; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:12:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26139; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frio.2xtreme.net (espresso.2xtreme.net [208.147.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26116; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hysterium ([208.147.53.174]) by frio.2xtreme.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-34955U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA203; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:17:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970910141050.00694398@espresso.2xtreme.net> X-Sender: geige@espresso.2xtreme.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:10:50 -0700 To: Vernon Brooks , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: Re: Suggest for list admin.. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970910104558.006ac37c@mail.netnevada.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Vernon, Since I see from your header you're using Eudora 3, you can just chose the blue -arrow-above-2-envelopes-icon in the toolbar instead of the blue-arrow-above-1-envelope-icon and you'll reply to both the list and the original poster. Or you could pull down Message, then Reply-to-All. cheers, Dale At 10:45 AM 9/10/97 -0700, Vernon Brooks wrote: >Would it be possible to make the default reply-to: header on messages from >this list so that any replies will go back to the list, and not to the >original sender? I inevitably always send responses back to the original >sender before I realize it, and then send it to the list as well.. > >------------------------------------------ >- Vernon Brooks - >- Net Nevada Systems Administrator - >- Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - >- PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - >- Encrypted Messages Preffered - >------------------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary Email: geige@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 10 17:33:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221097201; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:33:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26743; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:15:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26546; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26490; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA10380; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:16:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: "Mark M. Ingerman" Cc: "'Thinkpad'" Subject: Re: Probelms with winOS2 on 760 In-Reply-To: <01BCBE01.22FECD20@p13.ts29.metro.MA.tiac.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Mark M. Ingerman wrote: > I have a friend who has recently upgraded to a 760EL. He is running OS/2 version 3.0. When he goes into Quicken ( 5.0 for windows ) in the WinOS2 environmen he gets the following error: > > QW caused a GPF in module CYBW31HS.DRV at 0006:22DC > > He did not have this problem with his previous thinkpad. Does anybody know what the CYBW31HS.DRV driver is and why he would be having a problem with it? It sounds like the video driver to me. The driver naming is different in Win95 though. 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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCBE27.1A4BABA0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 02:53:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003290785; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:53:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17567; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17024; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m17.boston.juno.com (m17.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17014; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from thinkpad701@juno.com) by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CHF06372; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT To: axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: wtb: 701 AC adapter Message-Id: <19970910.230753.4375.6.thinkpad701@juno.com> References: <01BCBCA6.ACC0A2B0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I might be able to dig up an adapter or 2 because I primarily use the worldwide adapter, which works best for me, and I like how I can wrap up the cord, and then tie it with velcro. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 02:53:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003380827; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:53:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17560; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17045; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m17.boston.juno.com (m17.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17031; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from thinkpad701@juno.com) by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CHC06372; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT To: merlin@netnevada.net, ross@math.hawaii.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: refurbished IBM products) Message-Id: <19970910.230753.4375.3.thinkpad701@juno.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19970910104408.006b68f0@mail.netnevada.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-11 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:44:08 -0700 Vernon Brooks writes: > >>2 years ago I bought a top-of-the-line NEC 15" monitor from their >outlet >>store for $350 *including* air freight to Hawaii (about $50 worth of >>shipping); it arrived with a red scratch on the beige case. Maybe I >>should have sent it back:-) And pay 100 bucks for shipping (back to them, and back to you)!? Or you could've filled a claim with the delivery people. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 02:56:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004171004; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:56:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17569; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17072; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m17.boston.juno.com (m17.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17056; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from thinkpad701@juno.com) by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CHB06372; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter Message-Id: <19970910.230753.4375.2.thinkpad701@juno.com> References: <199709100804.WAA03909@tarski.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-18 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 9 Sep 97 22:04:37 HST ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) writes: >I believe that the amperage rating on these adapters is the maximum >you are allowed to draw, not an amount that is 'forced' down the >wire and into the machine, though I have to admit that my electronic >hobbyist days are about a quarter of a century behind me. > >- David That sounds about right, because the computer only really needs a lot of juice, say, when charging the battery or installing a new OS (except Linux, because the processor gets colder as there's no overhead almost!). I would imagine that during "normal" small usage operation, it doesn't need that much juice. Just 2 cents I thought I'd donate. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 02:57:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004321032; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:57:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17565; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17100; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m17.boston.juno.com (m17.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17083; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from thinkpad701@juno.com) by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CHG06372; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT To: jg@izap.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IS WIN NT 4.0 ON A TP500 POSSIBLE??? Message-Id: <19970910.230753.4375.7.thinkpad701@juno.com> References: <34146E25.508FA186@izap.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-35 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 14:29:09 -0700 josh writes: >I have a Thinkpad 500. >486 SLC50 >12MB RAM >540 HD. > >Is it possible to run WIN NT 4.0 on this little machine, or should I >avoid the idea altogether? >I'd like to have access to some of WIN NT 4.0's administrative tools >so >I can do some things "remotely" to teh network at my work. > >I understand NT needs a min of 11mb RAM to run, but will I be a >massichist by trying to run it on my TP500? > > >Your input is appreciated before I embark on this potentially futile >attempt at installing it. > >josh > >jg@izap.com > >or > >josh.gomez@intisys.com >www.intisys.com > If I were you, I'd stick with the OS/2 Warp 3.0 or Linux route, if you need a stable, and reasonably fast 32-bit OS. Plus, there is very little overhead with Linux. I didn't even need the fan on my server when I had Linux running! Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 02:57:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004361060; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:57:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17557; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17114; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m17.boston.juno.com (m17.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17090; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from thinkpad701@juno.com) by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CHD06372; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT To: agh1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Portable Printers Message-Id: <19970910.230753.4375.4.thinkpad701@juno.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19970910035607.0068ba8c@pop.srv.ualberta.ca> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-37 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:07:55 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:56:07 -0600 Grant Hilsenteger writes: >Hi, > >I was out looking for a printer that was a good portable that would >complement a TP. >As I was looking I thought that I should ask the people on this list. >What is a good portable printer for a TP? Looking around the 300-400 >range. >I was looking at a BJC-80, but can't find a store that has thenm in >stock. > >Grant Hilsenteger >agh1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca > > Grant and all- I use the Pentax PocketJet. It's the size of a small pencil box, and only 1.1 lbs. with battery, and the only disadvantages are that it requires thermal paper (you can get the flat sheets >from Pentax and some suppliers), but each sheet costs only 8 cents each, no matter what's on it. I have had it for almost 2 years now, and have even dropped it on a tile floor that my 701 would have never survived, and it only made a chip in the case, and a lens for one of the LED status indicators fell out (I found it soon after!). It's also HP LaserJet IIp compatible, and support original LaserJet emulation. Check it out. When I was first looking for a portable printer, I thought about the HP 340, but it's very bulky, sort of noisy, and the cartridges are EXPENSIVE (for how long they last!). I think their web site is www.pentax.com, but I don't know for sure, since I've never been there. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 11:24:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA061701483; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:24:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12214; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:14:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12062; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bama.csc.com (bama.csc.com [20.1.10.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11815; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vortex.cmi.csc.com [20.12.1.8] by bama.csc.com with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0x9AvS-0007Cu-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:12:58 -0400 Received: by vortex.cmi.csc.com (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA134240760; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:12:40 -0500 From: Abbas Bandali Subject: Competition : TP v Omnibook To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:12:40 CDT X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 112.8] Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, check out http://www.hp.com:80/pressrel/sep97/08sep97a.htm *apparently* HP intends on marketing a 3.1lb, .75" thick sub-notebook with 12.1" TFT, 200Mhz ... in partnership with Mitsubishi, early in '98. My 2 cents : * it ain't as sleek as the 560 (http://www.hp.com/omnibook/images/obflat.jpg) * it looks flimsy (http://www.hp.com/omnibook/images/obcool.jpg) I have never been a fan of HP - I prefer Apple printers to HP, and Epson scanners to HP. Will we be in for a shocker in '98 ??? Cheers, -- Abbas Bandali CSC Intelicom - Wireless Billing Systems Champaign, IL. USA --- There's many a slip twixt cup and lip From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 15:18:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA107935536; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:18:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28631; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:57:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27578; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27547; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:57:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 41823a60; Thu, 11 Sep 97 13:00:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:57:36 -0400 Message-Id: <41823a60@doblegate.doble.com> To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, "Paul Khoury" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: TP 500 & 540 MB HDD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.873997217" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.873997217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >What Thorsten says is correct. In reading the Ontrack docs that >came with a Maxtor drive, it says it works fine under Win 95/NT, >DOS and OS/2 (and I have tried it with OS/2, but I don't >think that HPFS will work though :-< ). It says that I think I ran version 7.02 and was able to have a HPFS partition, no problem. There is a version of the hard disk driver that supports OnTrack DM that I think was included with the OnTrack software (or did I get it >from the Web Site?) I upgraded from Warp 3 to Warp 4 and Warp 4 had the updated driver included. I had two Windows/Dos FAT partitions and two OS/2 HPFS partition (one of them boot) with no problems. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com --IMA.Boundary.873997217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from [199.0.65.19] by doblegate.doble.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 417a5d50; Thu, 11 Sep 97 04:03:35 -0400 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8 .8.0/8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24312 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:08 :03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02916; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:04:25 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02885; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA08891; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F34.hotmail.com [207.82.250.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15197; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14944 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1997 15:28:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19970908152837.14943.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.211.62.208 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:28:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.211.62.208] From: "Paul Khoury" To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 500 & 540 MB HDD Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:28:35 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.873997217-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 16:45:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123560715; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:45:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04462; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:35:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00855; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw00 (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00431; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth (hseaman@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw00 (8.8.6) id OAA20022; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:37:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: thinkpad701@juno.com Cc: merlin@netnevada.net, ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: refurbished IBM products) In-Reply-To: <19970910.230753.4375.3.thinkpad701@juno.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Could someone please post the url for refurbished t-pads for sale? thanks in advance... harry seaman From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 17:15:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA129812520; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:15:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06185; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:05:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06034; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05972; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13233; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:04:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13216; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:04:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970911170300.009a3920@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:03:00 -0400 To: Harry Seaman , thinkpad701@juno.com From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: refurbished IBM products) Cc: merlin@netnevada.net, ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <19970910.230753.4375.3.thinkpad701@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:37 PM 9/11/97 -0500, Harry Seaman wrote: >Could someone please post the url for refurbished t-pads for sale? > http://mer.shop.ibm.com/shopping/ibmcredit/menu1.htm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 17:43:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135694195; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:43:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07310; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:23:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07138; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07109; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA10261; Thu, 11 Sep 97 11:23:44 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA06535; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:24:09 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709112124.LAA06535@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook To: abandali@cmi.csc.com (Abbas Bandali) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 11:24:09 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Abbas Bandali" at Sep 11, 97 10:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > *apparently* HP intends on marketing a 3.1lb, .75" thick sub-notebook with > 12.1" TFT, 200Mhz ... in partnership with Mitsubishi, early in '98. > > * it looks flimsy (http://www.hp.com/omnibook/images/obcool.jpg) The shell will be magnesium alloy, which means that it will be stiffer and stronger than other subnotes. Also probably lots more expensive. HP made it big on calculators you could throw off cliffs without damage, and the small Omnibooks have been the only subnotes for which I'd consider trading my IBM(s), so I think this will be a great machine. David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 17:45:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136734355; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:45:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07637; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:27:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07501; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m17.boston.juno.com (m17.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07375; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:25:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from thinkpad701@juno.com) by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RxY05080; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:19:03 EDT To: ecottrell@doble.com Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, paulkhoury@hotmail.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP 500 & 540 MB HDD Message-Id: <19970911.141830.4383.1.thinkpad701@juno.com> References: <41823a60@doblegate.doble.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:19:03 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I think I ran version 7.02 and was able to have a HPFS >partition, no problem. There is a version of the hard >disk driver that supports OnTrack DM that I think was >included with the OnTrack software (or did I get it >from the Web Site?) I upgraded from Warp 3 to Warp 4 >and Warp 4 had the updated driver included. I had two >Windows/Dos FAT partitions and two OS/2 HPFS partition >(one of them boot) with no problems. > I was thinking - would it be possible to maybe have a site of freeware/shareware stuff and tips/trick relating to the ThinkPad series, as a bonus to this list? That way, there would be one site to locate everything. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 17:58:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA138665115; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:58:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08698; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:45:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08533; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08522; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-28.usc.edu [128.125.224.28]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id OAA21002; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970911144555.0076471c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:46:04 -0700 To: Abbas Bandali From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:12 AM 9/11/97 CDT, Abbas Bandali wrote: >*apparently* HP intends on marketing a 3.1lb, .75" thick sub-notebook with >12.1" TFT, 200Mhz ... in partnership with Mitsubishi, early in '98. > >My 2 cents : > >* it ain't as sleek as the 560 (http://www.hp.com/omnibook/images/obflat.jpg) >* it looks flimsy (http://www.hp.com/omnibook/images/obcool.jpg) It looks absolutely beautiful to me. Nicer (judging from the pics) than my 560 (though I still think they should license the trackpoint from IBM rather than use that silly touchpad). >I have never been a fan of HP - I prefer Apple printers to HP, and Epson >scanners to HP. Will we be in for a shocker in '98 ??? Au contraire--I think HP makes some of the best equipment available. They make the best calculators and the best palmtops hands-down. Their printers and scanners may not necessarily be the "best" on the market, but there's no question that they lead the way and set the standard--all the rest are also-ran copycats that sometimes improve on the pioneering effort. On the PC front, they're hit and miss. The old model 150 touchscreen was a pioneering effort (used 3 1/2" diskettes almost a full year before the Mac came along), while their early Vectra PC-compatibles were painfully proprietary. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 18:45:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147107929; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:45:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10706; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:37:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10583; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10571; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00351 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07766; Thu, 11 Sep 97 18:45:00 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA20363 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:43:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:43:32 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970911144555.0076471c@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 10:12 AM 9/11/97 CDT, Abbas Bandali wrote: > > > >I have never been a fan of HP - I prefer Apple printers to HP, and Epson > >scanners to HP. Will we be in for a shocker in '98 ??? > > Au contraire--I think HP makes some of the best equipment available. They > make the best calculators and the best palmtops hands-down. Their printers > and scanners may not necessarily be the "best" on the market, but there's > no question that they lead the way and set the standard--all the rest are > also-ran copycats that sometimes improve on the pioneering effort. According to an HP recruiter back when I was in undergrad, one of the tests they run on their printers is to drop it from desktop height. If anything breaks, it gets redesigned. Dunno if the other companies do that. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 19:33:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA155160812; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:33:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13166; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:30:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13061; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13039; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20108 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1997 23:30:13 -0000 Received: from hezron-2.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.132) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1997 23:30:13 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: refurbished IBM products) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:26:20 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34199986.1391198@smtp.enteract.com> References: <19970910.230753.4375.3.thinkpad701@juno.com> <3.0.1.32.19970911170300.009a3920@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970911170300.009a3920@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:03:00 -0400, you wrote: >At 02:37 PM 9/11/97 -0500, Harry Seaman wrote: > >>Could someone please post the url for refurbished t-pads for sale? > >http://mer.shop.ibm.com/shopping/ibmcredit/menu1.htm There's also www.direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/pcfactory for direct >from IBM. And a company called Exel Computers had an ad this Tuesday in the New York Times for refurbed IBM 560s with 12.1" active display and the P120 chip for $1499. I bought my first Thinkpad from them (a refurbed 355) with little trouble (salespeople aren't as knowledgeable as they think, and hate to be corrected). epbrown =09 Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 Laptop: Kiwi 680TX From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 20:15:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160083310; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:15:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15014; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:11:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14829; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calcium.noc.interop.net (calcium.noc.interop.net [45.0.12.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14818; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwsi.com (dhcp-1.noc.interop.net) by calcium.noc.interop.net (PMDF V5.1-9 #26324) with ESMTP id <0EGD00717CJ31I@calcium.noc.interop.net> for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:11:21 +0100 From: Chris Liljenstolpe Subject: (no subject) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <341888A9.74EEB883@wwsi.com> Organization: WWSI - Northern Plains Regional Office Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msC9DEC45A0A19F2C35625B34B" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msC9DEC45A0A19F2C35625B34B Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C6F9BA206C77D1B9C1B09C21" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C6F9BA206C77D1B9C1B09C21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit subscribe tp750 -- Chris Liljenstolpe - Principal Engineer - Internetworking Technologies Worldwide Solutions, Inc. - Northern Plains Regional Off., St. Paul, MN mailto:cds@wwsi.com voice 303-581-0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ Fram Fram --------------C6F9BA206C77D1B9C1B09C21 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Chris Liljenstolpe Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Chris Liljenstolpe n: Liljenstolpe;Chris org: Worldwide Solutions Inc. adr: Northern Plains Regional Office;;P.O. 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Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:28:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15649; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:26:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15537; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calcium.noc.interop.net (calcium.noc.interop.net [45.0.12.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15526; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwsi.com (dhcp-1.noc.interop.net) by calcium.noc.interop.net (PMDF V5.1-9 #26324) with ESMTP id <0EGD0071KD7C1I@calcium.noc.interop.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:26:00 +0100 From: Chris Liljenstolpe Subject: Appologies To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34188C18.141ED711@wwsi.com> Organization: WWSI - Northern Plains Regional Office Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I missed the -request in my address - mea culpa.... Chris -- Chris Liljenstolpe - Principal Engineer - Internetworking Technologies Worldwide Solutions, Inc. - Northern Plains Regional Off., St. Paul, MN mailto:cds@wwsi.com voice 303-581-0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ Fram Fram From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 22:14:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA178280465; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:14:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19547; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:10:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19379; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19369; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.184.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/08/22 5.5)) id WAA29866; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:07:58 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from CRC3.Concentric.net (ts001d01.ott-cn.concentric.net [206.173.215.13]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.7) id WAA06719; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709120207.WAA06719@mcfeely.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:07:44 +0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Used Thinkpads... Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For those who've been asking, I wanted to share another site where people are selling used Thinkpads. It's the classified section of my ISP and I bought my 760ED notebook from an advertisement there. Lots of listings sorted by manufacturer and processor class. Check it out at: http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Display.exe?Concentric+Computer+PCNotebook+search ... patrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 11 23:52:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA194666331; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:52:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22651; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:48:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22472; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22462; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA12300; Thu, 11 Sep 97 17:48:08 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA06990; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:48:32 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709120348.RAA06990@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: refurbished IBM products) To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 17:48:32 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34199986.1391198@smtp.enteract.com>; from "epbrown" at Sep 12, 97 1:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > And a company called Exel Computers had an ad this Tuesday in the > New York Times for refurbed IBM 560s with 12.1" active display and the > P120 chip for $1499. I bought my first Thinkpad from them (a refurbed > 355) with little trouble (salespeople aren't as knowledgeable as they > think, and hate to be corrected). I've bought lots of camera equipment, and some computer equipment, from Exel, but I wouldn't make a major purchase from them - they're a bit slippery, and the 'refurb' they sell you could be an actual refurb, a demo, or a machine an employee used for several months. (At least they do deliver, unlike some other New York City dealers...) Another good source of B-stock thinkpads is CDW; look in their 'bargain basement' at www.cdw.com - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 12 00:32:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202178733; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:32:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24268; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:28:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24123; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Fe3.rust.net (fe3.rust.net [209.69.6.110]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24113; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from basement (farmington-159.rust.net [209.69.66.159]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24879 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970912002326.006a4e44@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:28:27 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 2.2 amp output of the 560 is max current output. Since the 701c's is only 1.6 amps the 2.2 of the 560 would be even a better choice for longevity. Down side here would be greater weight. Higher output power supplies always weigh more than smaller ones of similar designs. B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- Hunter Thompson =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 12 01:07:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA207240850; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:07:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25271; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:05:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25183; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25167; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@fr231.izap.com (port 45573 [207.211.45.231]) by shell.izap.com with SMTP id <228173-15753>; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:04:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970911221330.00699d08@izap.com> X-Sender: jg@izap.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:13:31 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: josh Subject: X-WINDOWS/METRO-X on TP500???? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have just successfuly (well sort of) installed RED HAT 4.2 LINUX on my TP500... Now, chances are I will end up re-doing the whole thing just for the educational (but semi-painful) benefit... Can someone more experienced please help me by advising on the best way to configure X-Windows? I ahve seen teh X-CONFIG files at a couple of teh TP500 sites, but I'm not sure whats teh "best" way for me to go... Can I even use METRO-X? Is it compatible with teh TP500? Currently the version of X running right now, doesnt work at all, but I guess a good re configuring would help. Or should I stick with XFree86? The input from you more experienced chaps is looked upon with great gratidude. Thanks you! jg@izap.com ******************************** REPLY TO: jg@izap.com I love the smell of electrons in the morning... ******************************** From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 12 01:18:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA209051530; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:18:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25675; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:16:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25564; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25554; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@fr231.izap.com (port 46597 [207.211.45.231]) by shell.izap.com with SMTP id <228172-15759>; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:16:39 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970911222516.006988e4@izap.com> X-Sender: jg@izap.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:25:17 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: josh Subject: HELP WITH USING LILO & SYSTEM COMMANDER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello peaceful citizens, I have just recently installed RH 4.2 on my TP500... I have a 540 MB Hard DIsk. I am running MS DOS6.22 WIN 95 and of course RedHat 4.2 Linux I have the drive partiotioned 200/340MB (LINUX gets 340). When I installed LINUX I also installed LILO , I guess... Anyways, I am using SYSTEM COMMANDER to boot between the OS's. Now my question is ... DO I even need LILO? Cuz when I select LINUX from SYSTEM COMMANDER, LILO kicks in & it defaults to booting DOS unless I type in LINUX within 10 seconds. I do not like that. I don't want or need a choice beetween LINUX & DOS, that is what SYSTEM COMMANDER is for. I would like it so that when I select LINUX from SYSTEM COMMANDER it automatically boots up LINUX, no questions or selections. SO what do I need to do or undo? How do I get rid of LILO and make LINUX boot right up from SYSTEM COMMANDER? Now in case this is of relevance, the first 200MB of my HD is the DOS partition, the last 340 is LINUX, 75 for the swap file & the remainder for the file system or whatever it is called. Any help/advice is greatly appreciated. josh. ******************************** REPLY TO: jg@izap.com I love the smell of electrons in the morning... ******************************** From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 12 04:33:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234933236; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:33:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00817; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:28:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00697; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00687; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA13054; Thu, 11 Sep 97 22:28:51 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA07732; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:29:16 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709120829.WAA07732@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter To: billb@rust.net (Bill Bryan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 22:29:15 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970912002326.006a4e44@rust.net>; from "Bill Bryan" at Sep 12, 97 12:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > longevity. Down side here would be greater weight. Higher output power > supplies always weigh more than smaller ones of similar designs. Surely this depends a lot on things like materials used. I don't remember my 701 supply as being lighter than my 560 supply. (Randal, you still listening?) BTW, I thought I could find exact weights on the ibm web site, but they don't list the 560 adapter's weight (the specs has a 'weight' entry, but it is blank), and details of the 701 adapter are no longer available (info about older equipment disappears off the ibm web site with alarming rapidity:-( - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 12 05:48:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242417729; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:48:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10905; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:45:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10808; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from megsinet.net (megspo.megsinet.net [208.150.39.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10797; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from randolphmax1-20.megsinet.net(really [208.133.78.20]) by megsinet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:45:07 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #3 built 1997-Aug-19) Received: by randolphmax1-20.megsinet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCBF36.CF9021C0@randolphmax1-20.megsinet.net>; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:46:19 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCBF36.CF9021C0@randolphmax1-20.megsinet.net> From: Dennis Pantazis To: "'Vernon Brooks'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Good Refurb Deals (re: refurbished IBM products) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:42:17 -0500 Encoding: 14 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Shhh...you can';t give away secrets like this to the list! Really though, the best deals I have found through the years has been the clearance rack and refurbs out there. Most often the warrantees are identical. All of the computer companies have the programs, the toughest is finding out whats available and getting a hold of it. The best program I have dealt with has been Micron. The fax you a weekly indexed list of available machines and they ship them out almost immediatly. (I know this is the TP list, but we all eventually need something to clutter our desks). CDW, who btw moved to a much nicer facility, seems to have a regular flow of TP stuff in the showroom, last time I was there they hade Dock 1's on the shelf. The prices were ok, but higher than the ones discussed here. Dennis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 12 10:08:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272313299; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:08:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21105; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:03:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20904; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20892; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-f-59.usc.edu [128.125.223.131]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id HAA25290; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970912070351.00d455d8@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:04:13 -0700 To: Bill Bryan From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:28 AM 9/12/97 -0400, Bill Bryan wrote: > The 2.2 amp output of the 560 is max current output. Since the 701c's is >only 1.6 amps the 2.2 of the 560 would be even a better choice for >longevity. Down side here would be greater weight. Higher output power >supplies always weigh more than smaller ones of similar designs. >B/B Not in this case--I don't have a scale, but these two things are almost identical in size and weight. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 12 10:45:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA277925511; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:45:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23030; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:35:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22759; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22720; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-f-59.usc.edu [128.125.223.131]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id HAA28775; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970912073528.00cd8f00@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:36:12 -0700 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 701 AC adapter Cc: billb@rust.net (Bill Bryan), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:29 PM 9/11/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >> longevity. Down side here would be greater weight. Higher output power >> supplies always weigh more than smaller ones of similar designs. > >Surely this depends a lot on things like materials used. I don't >remember my 701 supply as being lighter than my 560 supply. (Randal, >you still listening?) > >BTW, I thought I could find exact weights on the ibm web site, but they >don't list the 560 adapter's weight (the specs has a 'weight' entry, but The weight between these two is indistinguishable. Size--actually the 560's is somewhat *smaller*. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 12 12:51:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA002523101; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:51:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01215; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:44:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00848; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.219]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29974; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (deanc@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com [15.62.120.180]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id JAA04695 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deanc@localhost) by hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id KAA14716 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:27:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Dean Cashen Message-Id: <199709121627.KAA14716@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com> Subject: Intro and questions To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:27:27 MDT X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello: I've been on and off this list for a while, and recently re-subscribed to find out if any brave soul out there has had success using Win98 on a thinkpad. In particular, a 760CD. (How I installed Win98 was "indirect," and it boils down to a desperate attempt to fix problems generated by installing, then removing IE 4.0 on my Win95 system. After that, all turned to heck, and my system would hang every few minutes. A full install of Win95 *over the top* of my current failing system didn't help, so I popped in Win98 (Beta 2) and let it install). Unfortunately, power management, and all Mwave functions are snafu, and I haven't been able to resolve them. I had Win98 retain my old OS so I could uninstall it, but that too failed, and now I'm afraid I'm looking at a clean, and full, re-install of Win95. Sigh. The woes of an early adopter. . . . If anyone has ideas, I'd love to hear them. (I'm not a beta tester for Win98, I just got the CD as part of a test subscription, so I can't get much help from MS. I thought about subscribing now as a beta-tester, but it's probably not worth the trouble, I just want a working Win9x system!) -- And, onto a second problem. I had planned to dig into the archives to see if this issue had been covered, but the ftp links are refusing to let me log in. The links I'm trying for our archives are: URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/archive Both of these return a "Login Incorrect" error, whether I use a browser or straight ftp. I got these links from my most- recent "Welcome to the Thinkpad mailing list" message. Have the links changed? Regards, and Hello, again, Dean Cashen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 12 18:25:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA068083101; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:25:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22368; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:18:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22196; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22186; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0x9e2c-0008ZjC; Fri, 12 Sep 97 15:18 PDT Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03122; Fri, 12 Sep 97 15:18:16 PDT Received: by ladybug.M2_BLDG (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA01755; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:20:41 -0700 From: czs00@eng.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <199709122220.PAA01755@ladybug.M2_BLDG> Subject: Re: Intro and questions In-Reply-To: <199709121627.KAA14716@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com> from Dean Cashen at "Sep 12, 97 10:27:27 am" To: deanc@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > And, onto a second problem. I had planned to dig into the archives > to see if this issue had been covered, but the ftp links are > refusing to let me log in. The links I'm trying for our archives are: > > URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ > > URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/archive > > Both of these return a "Login Incorrect" error, whether I use > a browser or straight ftp. I got these links from my most- > recent "Welcome to the Thinkpad mailing list" message. Have > the links changed? I just tried accessing the site and got in without problems. Using Netscape and NT 3.5.1. Is anyone working on updating the FAQ? It looks to be over 2 years old. Serenella Ciongoli From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 00:57:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA120026642; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:57:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02640; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:53:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02432; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m17.boston.juno.com (m17.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02422; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from thinkpad701@juno.com) by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AXA00744; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:52:20 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff Message-Id: <19970912.215156.4383.3.thinkpad701@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:52:20 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If anyone wants, I just got a mailing from Surplus direct that someone might want. Also, I saw that they have PCMCIA Western DIgital 40MB drives. Does anyone here have one of these, or another brand and/or size of PCMCIA hard drive? Pros/cons? And is Western Digital any good now (I can quote 3 people, including myself that WD used to pump out inovative junk). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 00:59:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA120246777; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:59:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02791; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:56:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02608; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m17.boston.juno.com (m17.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02574; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:55:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from thinkpad701@juno.com) by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AXB00744; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:52:20 EDT To: deanc@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Intro and questions Message-Id: <19970912.215156.4383.4.thinkpad701@juno.com> References: <199709121627.KAA14716@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-19 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:52:20 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Unfortunately, power management, and all Mwave functions are >snafu, and I haven't been able to resolve them. I had Win98 >retain my old OS so I could uninstall it, but that too failed, >and now I'm afraid I'm looking at a clean, and full, re-install >of Win95. Sigh. The woes of an early adopter. . . . > >If anyone has ideas, I'd love to hear them. (I'm not a beta >tester for Win98, I just got the CD as part of a test subscription, >so I can't get much help from MS. I thought about subscribing now >as a beta-tester, but it's probably not worth the trouble, I just >want a working Win9x system!) > >-- Well, first of all, be thankful that Micro$oft doesn't put out any versions of UNIX or OS/2. Then we'd all have problems. Just my 2 cents. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 02:05:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA129960758; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:05:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04394; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:02:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04275; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04264; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts15.loop.net (p25.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.250]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA07893 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709130601.XAA07893@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 23:03:19 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I'm finally back! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, just to let everyone know, I'm finally back, with a normal dialup account, so please send all mail here. Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 02:27:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132752032; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:27:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04993; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:23:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04855; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04770; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23590 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1997 06:23:43 -0000 Received: from hezron-20.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.150) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1997 06:23:43 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:19:34 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <341e4b15.7460427@smtp.enteract.com> References: <19970912.215156.4383.3.thinkpad701@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <19970912.215156.4383.3.thinkpad701@juno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:52:20 EDT, you wrote: >If anyone wants, I just got a mailing from Surplus direct >that someone might want. Also, I saw that they have PCMCIA >Western DIgital 40MB drives. Does anyone here have one of >these, or another brand and/or size of PCMCIA hard drive? >Pros/cons? And is Western Digital any good now (I can quote 3 >people, including myself that WD used to pump out inovative junk). I've got a couple: a MobileMax 131MB and a Viper 340 (compressed to 650MB). So far, the pros have been: durable as all get out works as fast as a normal HDD. *much* more portable than any other media, considering size/weight/performance. fairly easy to get working in various M$ OSes. The cons are: expensive, in most cases drains battery life requires pc card drivers, which complicates using them for back-up and other crash-protection measures epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 Laptop: Kiwi 680TX From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 12:09:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189326962; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:09:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26741; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:05:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26602; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26586; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p16.hwts15.loop.net (p16.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.241]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA19131 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709131603.JAA19131@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 09:05:32 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I thought maybe you might be able to get ThinkPad related stuff cheap here. Check out the latest addition to our Surplus Family: Surplus Auction: Where You set the price! On the Industry's hottest computer hardware and software! Auctions close every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, now with Hyper Auctions on Tuesday and Thursday! http://www.surplusauction.com/ Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 15:14:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA209808093; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:14:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00736; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:10:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00604; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idecnet.com (root@idecnet.com [194.179.48.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00589; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idecnet.madrid.idecnet.com (acceso-19.madrid.idecnet.com [194.179.104.155]) by idecnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01045 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:10:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199709131910.UAA01045@idecnet.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0541.0 From: "Francisco Mengibar" To: Subject: HELP 701 CS Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:18:34 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCB19C.72149FA0" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0541.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Este es un mensaje con mzltiples partes en formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCB19C.72149FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable La pantalla de mi 701cs se apaga inmediatamente despues del test y no es = posible encenderla ,todo lo demas funciona correctamente y puedo sentir = como mi aplicacion corre mientras la pantalla permanece en negro.Cuando = pulso fn+f1 la pantalla se enciende y puedo ver el setup = correctamante.pero cuando salgo de este vuelve a negro una y otra vez. 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------=_NextPart_000_01BCB19C.72149FA0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 16:40:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217573214; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:40:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02502; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:37:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02414; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kensey.clearstation.com (kensey.clearstation.com [207.21.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02404; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kensey@localhost) by kensey.clearstation.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10462; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Fairclough X-Sender: kensey@kensey To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff In-Reply-To: <199709131603.JAA19131@ritchie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu yuck. i got that Genoa 4MB card and its stinky. on a NEC 21 inch monitor, in 1280x1024 256 color mode, if you stretch a window (for example MSIE browser) it flickers. will call tech support, but i was wondering when 16MB cards will hit the market ! or if i should get a matrox as others suggested ... doug On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > I thought maybe you might be able to get ThinkPad > related stuff cheap here. > > Check out the latest addition to our Surplus Family: > Surplus Auction: Where You set the price! > On the Industry's hottest computer hardware and software! > Auctions close every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, now with > Hyper Auctions on Tuesday and Thursday! > > http://www.surplusauction.com/ > > Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 16:44:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218223481; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:44:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02724; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:42:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02607; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02597; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p11.hwts15.loop.net (p11.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.236]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA26526; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709132040.NAA26526@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Doug Fairclough" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 13:42:42 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:24:25 -0700 (PDT), Doug Fairclough wrote: > >yuck. i got that Genoa 4MB card and its stinky. on a NEC 21 inch >monitor, in 1280x1024 256 color mode, if you stretch a window (for >example MSIE browser) it flickers. will call tech support, but i >was wondering when 16MB cards will hit the market ! or if i should >get a matrox as others suggested ... > >doug > Thanks for being the brave soul who tested it. I don't think I will buy it now, though. I don't have the Matrox, but I wish I did, because my system doesn't work properly, and I think I've singled it down to a conflict between my SCSI-3 and Diamond Speedstar 64, both PCI. Paul >On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> I thought maybe you might be able to get ThinkPad >> related stuff cheap here. >> >> Check out the latest addition to our Surplus Family: >> Surplus Auction: Where You set the price! >> On the Industry's hottest computer hardware and software! >> Auctions close every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, now with >> Hyper Auctions on Tuesday and Thursday! >> >> http://www.surplusauction.com/ >> >> Paul >> >> > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 17:09:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA220634958; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:09:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03777; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:06:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03689; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03679; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA19345; Sat, 13 Sep 97 11:06:48 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA12568; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:07:12 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709132107.LAA12568@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff To: kensey@clearstation.com (Doug Fairclough) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 11:07:12 HST Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Doug Fairclough" at Sep 13, 97 1:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > yuck. i got that Genoa 4MB card and its stinky. on a NEC 21 inch > monitor, in 1280x1024 256 color mode, if you stretch a window (for > example MSIE browser) it flickers. will call tech support, but i > was wondering when 16MB cards will hit the market ! or if i should > get a matrox as others suggested ... The flicker is caused by a low scan rate (probably split-scanning at that resolution), and extra memory wouldn't help much. It is *mainly* a function of monitor speed and video card speed. Very few video cards can drive most monitors at this resolution at the ergonometric minimum 70hz refresh rate. This is especially true if your NEC is more than 2 years old. You'll need a *much* more expensive card; make sure before you buy it that it can drive your particular model monitor at your desired resolution/color depth at 70hz or better [best is 80 or more] before you buy it. Specific monitor model is important; for example, my Hercules Stingray card can drive a NEC 5fg at VGA true color at 90hz, but the similar NEC 5v series monitors will only display this res at 70hz. I don't know what kind of database Matrox has for card/monitor combinations; Hercules used to keep all this information on-line (I like Herc for their support). I think you expected too much from a $50 card! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 17:15:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221575353; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:15:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04081; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:13:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03952; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03935; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p15.hwts10.loop.net (p15.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.90]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA27442; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709132111.OAA27442@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 14:13:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 13 Sep 97 11:07:12 HST, David Ross wrote: >> yuck. i got that Genoa 4MB card and its stinky. on a NEC 21 inch >> monitor, in 1280x1024 256 color mode, if you stretch a window (for >> example MSIE browser) it flickers. will call tech support, but i >> was wondering when 16MB cards will hit the market ! or if i should >> get a matrox as others suggested ... > >The flicker is caused by a low scan rate (probably split-scanning at >that resolution), and extra memory wouldn't help much. It is *mainly* a >function of monitor speed and video card speed. Very few video cards can >drive most monitors at this resolution at the ergonometric minimum 70hz >refresh rate. This is especially true if your NEC is more than 2 years >old. You'll need a *much* more expensive card; make sure before >you buy it that it can drive your particular model monitor at your >desired resolution/color depth at 70hz or better [best is 80 or more] >before you buy it. Specific monitor model is important; for example, >my Hercules Stingray card can drive a NEC 5fg at VGA true color at 90hz, >but the similar NEC 5v series monitors will only display this res at >70hz. > >I don't know what kind of database Matrox has for card/monitor >combinations; Hercules used to keep all this information on-line >(I like Herc for their support). > I really like Hercules support. I have the Original Hercules Mono Graphics adapter, and they sent me a disk and updated manual, and that was about 1994! If only IBM did that... :-< >I think you expected too much from a $50 card! > Besides, it's from Surplus Direct (not that they're bad, since I have bought stuff from them before, but because it's there, it might not be supported, or is a closeout or whatever). >- David > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 17:59:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225457968; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:59:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05073; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:56:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04997; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([209.60.190.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04986; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.21] by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id aa361270 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:53:57 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709131603.JAA19131@ritchie.loop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:50:20 -0800 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 9:05 AM -0800 9/13/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >I thought maybe you might be able to get ThinkPad >related stuff cheap here. > >Check out the latest addition to our Surplus Family: >Surplus Auction: Where You set the price! >On the Industry's hottest computer hardware and software! >Auctions close every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, now with >Hyper Auctions on Tuesday and Thursday! > >http://www.surplusauction.com/ > >Paul I'll start paying attention to auctions as soon as they start posting closing bids instead of opening bids. I haven't seen or first hand heard of a really good deal from an auction yet, especially when you allow for auction fee (between 5% and 20%), shipping, and return policy even for DAO. The potential for deals is there, but demand exceeds goods right now. Or suckers exceed goods anyway. ;) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 18:29:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA228209742; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:29:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05762; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:25:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05663; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP04 (upimsrgsmtp04.msn.com [207.68.152.48]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05652; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upmajb08 - 204.95.110.71 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:25:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 22:02:02 UT From: "Laurence Larsen" <71420666@classic.msn.com> Message-Id: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Competition : TP v Omnibook Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I saw it in Japan last week along with some great items from Fujitsu -- 16 meg of ram, 1. Gig hard drives, 133 mhz Pentium for less than $1,500. Hold on to your seats when they hit the USA! The Japanese are catching up and my 701c is hardpressed to compete with the Toshiba Libretto I bought in April 1996 in Tokyo. The keyboard is a bit of a pain but it is fast and very small. Tosh now has 100 Mhz Pentiums in the same package in Japan for $1,600 (in the US the 75 mhz ones are still $1,995) but will have to compete soon with the 200 Mhz stuff around the corner for less that $2,000. IBM seems to be losing the battle in Japan and that's ominous. One last note, the current small offerings from Mitsu and Fujitsu have DSTN screens which explains why they are so cheap at this time. The TFT screens coming up to compete with Toshiba's Libretto will push up the price to over $2,000, I would think. LPL -----Original Message----- From: Abbas Bandali Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 4:13 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Competition : TP v Omnibook Folks, check out http://www.hp.com:80/pressrel/sep97/08sep97a.htm *apparently* HP intends on marketing a 3.1lb, .75" thick sub-notebook with 12.1" TFT, 200Mhz ... in partnership with Mitsubishi, early in '98. My 2 cents : * it ain't as sleek as the 560 (http://www.hp.com/omnibook/images/obflat.jpg) * it looks flimsy (http://www.hp.com/omnibook/images/obcool.jpg) I have never been a fan of HP - I prefer Apple printers to HP, and Epson scanners to HP. Will we be in for a shocker in '98 ??? Cheers, -- Abbas Bandali CSC Intelicom - Wireless Billing Systems Champaign, IL. USA --- There's many a slip twixt cup and lip From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 20:01:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237695267; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:01:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07476; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:58:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07343; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07331; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26203; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:01:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Mike Ford Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Mike Ford wrote: > I'll start paying attention to auctions as soon as they start posting > closing bids instead of opening bids. I haven't seen or first hand heard of > a really good deal from an auction yet, especially when you allow for > auction fee (between 5% and 20%), shipping, and return policy even for DAO. I'd say getting my Motorola Mariner 33.6/10-bt PCMCIA card for $129 counts as a good deal. It works great in my TP560-120. The networking side runs non-stop, and the 33.6 modem isn't as good as my USR Couriers, but it is better than most that I've seen. 28.8/10-bt Mariners usually go for about $99. I also stuck wavetable daughterboards on my SB16 and my roomates SB16 for $14 each. They aren't the best out there, but they did wonders for MIDI music in games. > The potential for deals is there, but demand exceeds goods right now. Or > suckers exceed goods anyway. ;) As with any any auction it takes patience and a clue to get good deals. It always pays to pay attention to the full actual price of an item. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 13 21:16:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245849791; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:16:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09084; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:09:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08980; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kensey.clearstation.com (kensey.clearstation.com [207.21.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08970; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kensey@localhost) by kensey.clearstation.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10637 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Fairclough X-Sender: kensey@kensey To: ThinkPad List Subject: FS : ISDN bitsurf : $150.00 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu never used, still in the box. ended up getting an ascend pipe 50 instead. this is half what i paid for it about 6 months ago and i dont think the price has dropped much. doug From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 04:57:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001017466; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 04:57:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20400; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 04:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 04:55:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20317; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 04:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP04 (upimsrgsmtp04.msn.com [207.68.152.48]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20306; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 04:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upmajb09 - 204.95.110.82 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 01:54:06 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 22:34:16 UT From: "Laurence Larsen" <71420666@classic.msn.com> Message-Id: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 701c Voice Modem Software Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know where I can get the software which allows my OEM Thinkpad 701c 14.4 modem to answer voice calls and fax/data calls. I bought it recently but it had no IBM software installed. I have scoured the IBM net site with no luckk and have tried SuperVoice, Biware, and Winfax Pro 8.0 and none will successfully get it to answer calls with a voice message since it apparently doesn't use a Rockwell or Cirrus Logic voice chip. Right now I am tying up one of my PC card slots with a PCMCIA voice fax modem and would like to avoid that if possible. Buy the way ("BTW"!!), I have a UK model 701c which didn't ship with the internal modem installed. A new one from IBM is over $300. Does anyone have a spare from a dead 701c they'd like to sell? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. L.P. Larsen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 10:03:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA025095830; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:03:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01940; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:59:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01761; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pyrrhus.alice-compusystems.com (alc130.syspac.com [204.181.55.207]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01751; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pyrrhus.alice-compusystems.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0xAFEo-0000yuC; Sun, 14 Sep 97 07:01 MST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 97 07:01 MST From: jones@alice-compusystems.com (David Jones) To: 71420666@classic.msn.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c Voice Modem Software Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Windows (3.1) version of FaxWorks works quite well with the 701's internal modem. I have used it as an anwering machine, speaker phone, and fax machine. Unfortunately, SoftNet, the manufacturers, never did an equivalent OS/2 version. I don't know if there is a W95 version. David Jones PS The above may be irrelevant: I re-read your e-mail and deduce that currently you have no internal modem and are trying to get one. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 13:25:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA044887900; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:25:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08803; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:19:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08619; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08206; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA19785 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:05:17 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199709141705.UAA19785@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 14 Sep 97 20:05:10 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560 & NT X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm about to replace my trusted 3-year old office laptop (Compaq Aero 486/33, 12MB, 250MB) with a more up-to-date one. The machine of my dreams is the TP560E with 80 MB of RAM. However, our IS czars insist that all new PC's being purchased must support NT (the new official corporate standard OS for PC's). With laptops, they tend to be very selective, arguing that full NT support usually requires that vendors make special drivers to accomodate it. The TP560 appears to ship only with Win95 preinstalled. Although I do plan to run OS/2 on it (and I have no concern it will be the perfect match), I must show the IS department proof that NT 4.0 is supported. So is anyone out there actually running NT 4.0 on their TP560? What are the possible shortcomings? Is IBM officially endorsing NT as a compatible and supported OS on the TP560? Thanks, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 16:40:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA069149652; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:40:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13311; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:31:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13118; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13108; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gmo (ppp-34.shadow.net [209.4.38.54]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08934; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709142031.QAA08934@anshar.shadow.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Francisco Mengibar" , Subject: Re: HELP 701 CS Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:30:36 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Francisco, Me parece que tu problema es que apretaste las teclas fn+F7 por equivocacion. Las teclas fn+F7 cambian la pantalla de esta forma: LCD a Monitor, Monitor y LCD simultaneamente, y Monitor a LCD. Para componer tu problema fn+F7 hasta que tu LCD aparesca mas brillante que las otras. Geo, out. ---------- From: Francisco Mengibar To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: HELP 701 CS Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 3:18 PM La pantalla de mi 701cs se apaga inmediatamente despues del test y no es posible encenderla ,todo lo demas funciona correctamente y puedo sentir como mi aplicacion corre mientras la pantalla permanece en negro.Cuando pulso fn+f1 la pantalla se enciende y puedo ver el setup correctamante.pero cuando salgo de este vuelve a negro una y otra vez. ALGUIEN CONOCE ESTE PROBLEMA ? MUCHAS GRACIAS From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 18:14:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA082205250; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:14:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19227; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:06:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18831; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kim.teleport.com (kim.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18659; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip-pdx21-09.teleport.com (ip-pdx12-05.teleport.com [206.163.124.102]) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15929 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709142204.PAA15929@kim.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: 56k pc card modem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am thinking upgrading my modem card. Has anyone recommendations on a 56k pc card modem for the 701? Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 22:19:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA109769947; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:19:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28788; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:59:58 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28231; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA22161; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F40.hotmail.com [207.82.250.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09246; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21119 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 22:00:34 -0000 Message-Id: <19970911220034.21117.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.211.61.150 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:00:32 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.211.61.150] From: "Paul Khoury" To: abandali@cmi.csc.com, rwhittle@usa.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:00:32 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > It looks absolutely beautiful to me. Nicer (judging from the pics) than >my 560 (though I still think they should license the trackpoint from IBM >rather than use that silly touchpad). I hate those touchpads. They strain my hands, and the TrackPoint was a big persuasion when I originally got my 355C. I figured out how to use it right away. > >>I have never been a fan of HP - I prefer Apple printers to HP, and Epson >>scanners to HP. Will we be in for a shocker in '98 ??? > > Au contraire--I think HP makes some of the best equipment available. They >make the best calculators and the best palmtops hands-down. Their printers >and scanners may not necessarily be the "best" on the market, but there's >no question that they lead the way and set the standard--all the rest are >also-ran copycats that sometimes improve on the pioneering effort. > > On the PC front, they're hit and miss. The old model 150 touchscreen was >a pioneering effort (used 3 1/2" diskettes almost a full year before the >Mac came along), while their early Vectra PC-compatibles were painfully >proprietary. If you think they're proprietary, look at Compaq. I actually hate some of the older Deskpros because adding memory, or reusing the video or I/O cards was a pain in the butt, and their hard drive type #'s were as proprietary as the PS/2's, but the PS/2's had way better performance. Paul ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 22:20:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110330023; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:20:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28794; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:59:50 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28218; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA22148; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F40.hotmail.com [207.82.250.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09246; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21119 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 22:00:34 -0000 Message-Id: <19970911220034.21117.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.211.61.150 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:00:32 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.211.61.150] From: "Paul Khoury" To: abandali@cmi.csc.com, rwhittle@usa.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:00:32 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > It looks absolutely beautiful to me. Nicer (judging from the pics) than >my 560 (though I still think they should license the trackpoint from IBM >rather than use that silly touchpad). I hate those touchpads. They strain my hands, and the TrackPoint was a big persuasion when I originally got my 355C. I figured out how to use it right away. > >>I have never been a fan of HP - I prefer Apple printers to HP, and Epson >>scanners to HP. Will we be in for a shocker in '98 ??? > > Au contraire--I think HP makes some of the best equipment available. They >make the best calculators and the best palmtops hands-down. Their printers >and scanners may not necessarily be the "best" on the market, but there's >no question that they lead the way and set the standard--all the rest are >also-ran copycats that sometimes improve on the pioneering effort. > > On the PC front, they're hit and miss. The old model 150 touchscreen was >a pioneering effort (used 3 1/2" diskettes almost a full year before the >Mac came along), while their early Vectra PC-compatibles were painfully >proprietary. If you think they're proprietary, look at Compaq. I actually hate some of the older Deskpros because adding memory, or reusing the video or I/O cards was a pain in the butt, and their hard drive type #'s were as proprietary as the PS/2's, but the PS/2's had way better performance. Paul ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 22:21:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110380062; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:21:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28823; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:05 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28248; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA22174; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F83.hotmail.com [207.82.250.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12832; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29785 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 23:24:44 -0000 Message-Id: <19970911232444.29784.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.211.63.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:24:42 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.211.63.42] From: "Paul Khoury" To: kim@mak.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:24:42 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: >> At 10:12 AM 9/11/97 CDT, Abbas Bandali wrote: >> > >> >I have never been a fan of HP - I prefer Apple printers to HP, and Epson >> >scanners to HP. Will we be in for a shocker in '98 ??? >> >> Au contraire--I think HP makes some of the best equipment available. They >> make the best calculators and the best palmtops hands-down. Their printers >> and scanners may not necessarily be the "best" on the market, but there's >> no question that they lead the way and set the standard--all the rest are >> also-ran copycats that sometimes improve on the pioneering effort. > >According to an HP recruiter back when I was in undergrad, one >of the tests they run on their printers is to drop it from >desktop height. If anything breaks, it gets redesigned. Dunno >if the other companies do that. > I definately doubt that IBM does that. I think that the ThinkPads might not survive (model dependent, but the 701 wouldn't because of the keyboard style). Once I dropped my PocketJet printer from about arms length (go figure, then I was maybe like 6'2"), which, now would be about 3 inches higher. Anyways, it turned on fine and even printed out a test page with no problems. HP seems to make durable stuff, but I hear that their Omnigo palmtops are somewhat flimsy on the Omnigo list I used to belong to. But overall, they are pretty good (I just wish my Omnigo could handle PCMCIA cards better, like 2400bps modems!). BTW, has anyone seen or have the Palmtop PC110? It's actually smaller than the Libretto, and I even saw that in a photo. Only thing is, who wants a 486SX-33 with Win95? Just my 4 cents for extra long content. Paul ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 22:21:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110450102; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:21:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28791; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:10 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28268; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA22187; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F83.hotmail.com [207.82.250.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12832; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29785 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 23:24:44 -0000 Message-Id: <19970911232444.29784.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.211.63.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:24:42 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.211.63.42] From: "Paul Khoury" To: kim@mak.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:24:42 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: >> At 10:12 AM 9/11/97 CDT, Abbas Bandali wrote: >> > >> >I have never been a fan of HP - I prefer Apple printers to HP, and Epson >> >scanners to HP. Will we be in for a shocker in '98 ??? >> >> Au contraire--I think HP makes some of the best equipment available. They >> make the best calculators and the best palmtops hands-down. Their printers >> and scanners may not necessarily be the "best" on the market, but there's >> no question that they lead the way and set the standard--all the rest are >> also-ran copycats that sometimes improve on the pioneering effort. > >According to an HP recruiter back when I was in undergrad, one >of the tests they run on their printers is to drop it from >desktop height. If anything breaks, it gets redesigned. Dunno >if the other companies do that. > I definately doubt that IBM does that. I think that the ThinkPads might not survive (model dependent, but the 701 wouldn't because of the keyboard style). Once I dropped my PocketJet printer from about arms length (go figure, then I was maybe like 6'2"), which, now would be about 3 inches higher. Anyways, it turned on fine and even printed out a test page with no problems. HP seems to make durable stuff, but I hear that their Omnigo palmtops are somewhat flimsy on the Omnigo list I used to belong to. But overall, they are pretty good (I just wish my Omnigo could handle PCMCIA cards better, like 2400bps modems!). BTW, has anyone seen or have the Palmtop PC110? It's actually smaller than the Libretto, and I even saw that in a photo. Only thing is, who wants a 486SX-33 with Win95? Just my 4 cents for extra long content. Paul ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 22:22:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110690158; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:22:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28845; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:37 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28350; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id VAA22223; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F103.hotmail.com [207.82.250.222]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26510; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7882 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 1997 05:48:10 -0000 Message-Id: <19970912054810.7881.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.211.61.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:48:07 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.211.61.129] From: "Paul Khoury" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, jg@izap.com Subject: Re: HELP WITH USING LILO & SYSTEM COMMANDER Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:48:07 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Because my connection timed out, I will put 2 responses in this single email. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ================RESPONSE # 1======================== \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Re: X-WINDOWS/METRO-X on TP500???? > >I have just successfuly (well sort of) installed RED HAT 4.2 LINUX on my >TP500... >Now, chances are I will end up re-doing the whole thing just for the >educational (but semi-painful) benefit... >Can someone more experienced please help me by advising on the best way to >configure X-Windows? Yea, I think it's XF86Config for the text setup, and XF86Setup for the GUI setup, and it is case-sensitive. > >I ahve seen teh X-CONFIG files at a couple of teh TP500 sites, but I'm not >sure whats teh "best" way for me to go... > >Can I even use METRO-X? Is it compatible with teh TP500? >Currently the version of X running right now, doesnt work at all, but I >guess a good re configuring would help. > >Or should I stick with XFree86? > I've heard of Metro-X, but I don't know the differece between that and the Metro Link trains. I thought XFree86 is good enough. >The input from you more experienced chaps is looked upon with great gratidude. > Well, I definately have experiance setting up X, and have a server running X just so I can see the pretty screensaver, but I am NOT a UNIX hacker (or whatever they call UNIX geniuses!). Paul /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ================RESPONSE # 2======================== \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > >Hello peaceful citizens, > >I have just recently installed RH 4.2 on my TP500... > >I have a 540 MB Hard DIsk. > >I am running MS DOS6.22 >WIN 95 >and of course RedHat 4.2 Linux > >I have the drive partiotioned 200/340MB (LINUX gets 340). > >When I installed LINUX I also installed LILO , I guess... > >Anyways, I am using SYSTEM COMMANDER to boot between the OS's. > >Now my question is ... > >DO I even need LILO? Sorta. It stands for LInux LOader. You should be able to make it default to Linux, though. Since I don't use RH, I'm not really familiar with the Lilo Setup (truthfully, I don't remember). I am currently using Slackware, and I used to have Debian on my 701, alongside OS/2 3.0. Now it's just OS/2 4.0. > >Cuz when I select LINUX from SYSTEM COMMANDER, LILO kicks in & it defaults >to booting DOS unless I type in LINUX within 10 seconds. >I do not like that. >I don't want or need a choice beetween LINUX & DOS, that is what SYSTEM >COMMANDER is for. You could have also used OS/2s' Boot Manager, if you could get your hands on some OS/2 boot disks. > >I would like it so that when I select LINUX from SYSTEM COMMANDER it >automatically boots up LINUX, no questions or selections. > >SO what do I need to do or undo? > >How do I get rid of LILO and make LINUX boot right up from SYSTEM COMMANDER? > Don't know. Only use Boot Manager, or nothing, sometimes Lilo off a bootdisk. >Now in case this is of relevance, the first 200MB of my HD is the DOS >partition, the last 340 is LINUX, 75 for the swap file & the remainder for >the file system or whatever it is called. > >Any help/advice is greatly appreciated. > Paul ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 22:34:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA111600863; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:34:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28832; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:18 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28293; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id VAA22206; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F103.hotmail.com [207.82.250.222]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26510; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7882 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 1997 05:48:10 -0000 Message-Id: <19970912054810.7881.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.211.61.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:48:07 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.211.61.129] From: "Paul Khoury" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, jg@izap.com Subject: Re: HELP WITH USING LILO & SYSTEM COMMANDER Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:48:07 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Because my connection timed out, I will put 2 responses in this single email. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ================RESPONSE # 1======================== \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Re: X-WINDOWS/METRO-X on TP500???? > >I have just successfuly (well sort of) installed RED HAT 4.2 LINUX on my >TP500... >Now, chances are I will end up re-doing the whole thing just for the >educational (but semi-painful) benefit... >Can someone more experienced please help me by advising on the best way to >configure X-Windows? Yea, I think it's XF86Config for the text setup, and XF86Setup for the GUI setup, and it is case-sensitive. > >I ahve seen teh X-CONFIG files at a couple of teh TP500 sites, but I'm not >sure whats teh "best" way for me to go... > >Can I even use METRO-X? Is it compatible with teh TP500? >Currently the version of X running right now, doesnt work at all, but I >guess a good re configuring would help. > >Or should I stick with XFree86? > I've heard of Metro-X, but I don't know the differece between that and the Metro Link trains. I thought XFree86 is good enough. >The input from you more experienced chaps is looked upon with great gratidude. > Well, I definately have experiance setting up X, and have a server running X just so I can see the pretty screensaver, but I am NOT a UNIX hacker (or whatever they call UNIX geniuses!). Paul /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ================RESPONSE # 2======================== \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > >Hello peaceful citizens, > >I have just recently installed RH 4.2 on my TP500... > >I have a 540 MB Hard DIsk. > >I am running MS DOS6.22 >WIN 95 >and of course RedHat 4.2 Linux > >I have the drive partiotioned 200/340MB (LINUX gets 340). > >When I installed LINUX I also installed LILO , I guess... > >Anyways, I am using SYSTEM COMMANDER to boot between the OS's. > >Now my question is ... > >DO I even need LILO? Sorta. It stands for LInux LOader. You should be able to make it default to Linux, though. Since I don't use RH, I'm not really familiar with the Lilo Setup (truthfully, I don't remember). I am currently using Slackware, and I used to have Debian on my 701, alongside OS/2 3.0. Now it's just OS/2 4.0. > >Cuz when I select LINUX from SYSTEM COMMANDER, LILO kicks in & it defaults >to booting DOS unless I type in LINUX within 10 seconds. >I do not like that. >I don't want or need a choice beetween LINUX & DOS, that is what SYSTEM >COMMANDER is for. You could have also used OS/2s' Boot Manager, if you could get your hands on some OS/2 boot disks. > >I would like it so that when I select LINUX from SYSTEM COMMANDER it >automatically boots up LINUX, no questions or selections. > >SO what do I need to do or undo? > >How do I get rid of LILO and make LINUX boot right up from SYSTEM COMMANDER? > Don't know. Only use Boot Manager, or nothing, sometimes Lilo off a bootdisk. >Now in case this is of relevance, the first 200MB of my HD is the DOS >partition, the last 340 is LINUX, 75 for the swap file & the remainder for >the file system or whatever it is called. > >Any help/advice is greatly appreciated. > Paul ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 23:32:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118354329; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:32:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05455; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:28:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05287; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05277; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-15.usc.edu [128.125.222.87]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id UAA29638; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970914202927.00cba5dc@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:29:37 -0700 To: Doug Fairclough From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff Cc: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:24 PM 9/13/97 -0700, Doug Fairclough wrote: > >yuck. i got that Genoa 4MB card and its stinky. on a NEC 21 inch >monitor, in 1280x1024 256 color mode, if you stretch a window (for >example MSIE browser) it flickers. will call tech support, but i >was wondering when 16MB cards will hit the market ! or if i should >get a matrox as others suggested ... Let me put it this way--I have a Matrox Millenium w/ 4 MB and I run it at 1600 x 1200 in high color (64K colors) without so much as a flicker. Memory on your video card has nothing to do with the flicker factor you describe--it just determines color depth capability for a given resolution. Sorry to hear about your bad experience...I *think* I did warn you about that card though... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 14 23:40:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119314829; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:40:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05827; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:38:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05721; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05711; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-15.usc.edu [128.125.222.87]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id UAA00424; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970914203809.00cbaa9c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:38:30 -0700 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff Cc: kensey@clearstation.com (Doug Fairclough), pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:07 AM 9/13/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >> yuck. i got that Genoa 4MB card and its stinky. on a NEC 21 inch >> monitor, in 1280x1024 256 color mode, if you stretch a window (for >> example MSIE browser) it flickers. will call tech support, but i >> was wondering when 16MB cards will hit the market ! or if i should >> get a matrox as others suggested ... > >The flicker is caused by a low scan rate (probably split-scanning at >that resolution), and extra memory wouldn't help much. It is *mainly* a >function of monitor speed and video card speed. Very few video cards can >drive most monitors at this resolution at the ergonometric minimum 70hz >refresh rate. This is especially true if your NEC is more than 2 years >old. You'll need a *much* more expensive card; make sure before David, what does age of the monitor have to do with it? Or are you using that as a gauge to suggest what the expected refresh rate for a given resolution would be? I'm wondering if you know something about newer monitors--specifically, is a lower refresh still ergonomically acceptable to view on newer monitors for some reason? I have a 9 month old Dell desktop with a 20-inch Trinitron (Sony, basically) monitor that I regularly run at 1600 x 1200 (Hi-color) and I have no problem with flicker, etc. It looks positively beautiful to me (and I had an NEC 6FGp 21" monitor before this one). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 04:19:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA149291564; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:19:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17323; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:16:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17123; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17107; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA23668; Sun, 14 Sep 97 22:16:37 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA17585; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:17:03 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709150817.WAA17585@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff To: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 97 22:17:02 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, kensey@clearstation.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970914203809.00cbaa9c@rcf.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Sep 14, 97 8:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: > >that resolution), and extra memory wouldn't help much. It is *mainly* a > >function of monitor speed and video card speed. Very few video cards can > >drive most monitors at this resolution at the ergonometric minimum 70hz > >refresh rate. This is especially true if your NEC is more than 2 years > >old. You'll need a *much* more expensive card; make sure before R.W. asked: > > David, what does age of the monitor have to do with it? Not age - model; over the last couple of years monitors have been engineered to scan at higher frequencies with less effort on the part of the video card. This year's bottom-end NEC can scan at rates that only high-end NECs could do in '94. Incidentally, you can't tell this from published monitor specs alone - for example, the NEC 5FGe models advertised a horizontal scan rate at 75hz VGA true color, but some cards (including my Hercules) can drive it at 90hz. > I have a 9 month old Dell desktop with a 20-inch Trinitron (Sony, > basically) monitor that I regularly run at 1600 x 1200 (Hi-color) and I > have no problem with flicker, etc. It looks positively beautiful to me > (and I had an NEC 6FGp 21" monitor before this one). I'll bet with the same card and resolution it would look horrible on the FGe models (as opposed to the FGp models). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 04:51:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151773485; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:51:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17989; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:50:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17898; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17888; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA23733; Sun, 14 Sep 97 22:49:59 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA17693; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:50:25 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709150850.WAA17693@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook To: paulkhoury@hotmail.com (Paul Khoury) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 97 22:50:25 HST Cc: abandali@cmi.csc.com, rwhittle@usa.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19970911220034.21117.qmail@hotmail.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Sep 11, 97 3:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Mac came along), while their early Vectra PC-compatibles were painfully > >proprietary. > > If you think they're proprietary, look at Compaq. At least Compaq can run MSDOS out of the box. As I recall the Vectras, they ran CPM-86 OK, but spoke a very strange dialect of DOS (even wierder than the one the Sanyos ran). BTW, a friend had an HP of about the same vintage; the keyboard had two little perpendicular wheels for fast and precise cursor control - worked great, but seems to have totally disappeared as a concept until the recent introduction of a single wheel on the new MS mice. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 05:05:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153034320; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:05:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18560; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:03:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18476; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bnl.gov (bnl.gov [130.199.128.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18466; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charon.add.bnl.gov (charon.add.bnl.gov [130.199.241.47]) by bnl.gov (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA14219 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: From MAGADD2/WORKQUEUE by charon.add.bnl.gov via Charon-4.0A-VROOM with IPX id 100.970915050315.480; 15 Sep 97 05:03:27 +0500 Message-Id: From: "Leonard DeSanto" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:04:23 EST Subject: e-mail Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please remove me from your automatic e-mail list for IBM thinkpads. thank you From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 07:35:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165253324; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:35:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27911; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:32:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27790; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27780; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp153.105.mmtl.videotron.net by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA104578; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:25:11 -0400 Received: by ppp021.232.mmtl.videotron.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC1A9.76FDA760@ppp021.232.mmtl.videotron.net>; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:32:04 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCC1A9.76FDA760@ppp021.232.mmtl.videotron.net> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: Randal Whittle , "'David Ross'" Cc: "kensey@clearstation.com" , "pkhoury@loop.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Screen rates, video, etc Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:32:03 -0400 Encoding: 4 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Guys, can you move this thread elsewhere? Some of us PAY for access. Tx. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 10:40:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA190894408; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:40:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07384; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:31:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06948; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06932; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-f-51.usc.edu [128.125.223.123]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id HAA06220; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970915072215.00cb9aec@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:31:55 -0700 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook Cc: paulkhoury@hotmail.com (Paul Khoury), abandali@cmi.csc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:50 PM 9/14/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >> >Mac came along), while their early Vectra PC-compatibles were painfully >> >proprietary. >> >> If you think they're proprietary, look at Compaq. > >At least Compaq can run MSDOS out of the box. As I recall the Vectras, >they ran CPM-86 OK, but spoke a very strange dialect of DOS (even >wierder than the one the Sanyos ran). Hmmm...may be true of the very early Vectras, but I don't think so. My father had a Vectra about 2 years after they first came out and it was a great machine (though it had its quirks)--at the time, running MS DOS 3.x. What I had in mind as far as "proprietary" were little things. For instance, it had an ESDI hard drive that, when I went to put a new (bigger) ESDI drive in it, the existing HP controller wouldn't/couldn't handle it. For that matter, the existing ESDI drive ending up not being able to work with any *other* ESDI controller! It was like that drive and that controller were joined at the hip. Another thing was the HP IB Mouse. They had their own mouse interface that connected by a port that looked something like a phone plug connector. It was neat, and Microsoft put Windows support in for it, but the bottom line is that it belonged to HP. And some other software packages just didn't support it--I installed OS/2 onto that machine (version 1.x at that that time) and had zero mouse control because OS/2 didn't support that HP mouse. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 12:58:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217192730; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:58:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17259; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:55:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17081; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.219]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16910; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (deanc@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com [15.62.120.180]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id JAA06950; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deanc@localhost) by hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id KAA16349; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:49:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Dean Cashen Message-Id: <199709151649.KAA16349@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com> Subject: Re: Intro and questions To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:49:17 MDT Cc: czs00@eng.amdahl.com, neil.ripston@Bigfoot.com, thinkpad701@juno.com, 71420666@classic.msn.com X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for all the responses. I did what I planned, re-installed Win95 (OSR2) over the top of Win 98 Beta 2. It was a dismal failure, of course. First re-install: the system would come up only in Safe mode, and the only indication of a problem was a quick flash of "KERNEL" on the blank bootup screen. I cleaned what I could from the registry, etc., and re-installed Win95 again, and then once more. That brought it up, but Mwave still wasn't found so I reinstalled that from floppy, and it still wasn't found, so forth. Spitting into the wind. I ordered a 2.1GB replacement drive because my 1.2GB was full, and I expect to get it in a day or two. Sounds like the right time to just do a clean install of Win95 and copy by backup to the new drive! FWIW, I liked Win98, and I may try a clean install onto the old 1.2GB afterwards to see how it works. But until it's released, I won't count on it for anything important. Thanks again for all the feedback. And, I can now connect to the ftp site for this mailing list. I don't know what changed, but it's letting me log in now. Dean From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 16:27:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA260135226; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:27:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00545; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:15:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00342; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mspeos0.corp.medtronic.com (mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM [144.15.157.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00310; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MSPEOS-Message_Server by mspeos0.corp.medtronic.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:15:23 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:15:11 -0500 From: Dan Ascheman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help with rootdisk on TP 365X Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I am using Slackware96 Linux 3.1.0 I am used Partition Magic to set up Free Space on my HD to load Linux and I am having some problems. I set up the Free Space as "unformatted", reboot and load the bootdisk, type in "ramdisk floppy=thinkpad" , enter the rootdisk, press ENTER, and I get the error: Kernel Panic: VFS : Unable to mount root fs on 02:1c I have tried "ramdisk floppy=thinkpad" AND "ramdisk hd=788,32,63" at the LILO prompt, neither of which works. Any suggestions? Can you enter ramdisk options twice?? (thinkpad and hd) When I use ramdisk hd=788,32,63 it says: RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0, invalied compressed format But when i type in ramdisk floppy=thinkpad, it says, "Java Binary Support v1.01 for Linux 1.3.98: VFS: Insert root floppy and press ENTER Why do I have to enter the rootdisk twice?? Then I everntually get Kernel Panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 02:1c By the way, I am using bare.i for my bootdisk, and color.gz for my rootdisk. Thanks, Dan Ascheman From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 16:34:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261595688; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:34:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01258; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:26:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01086; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01000; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.3.81.52] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id va274165 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:25:54 -0500 Received: by jczalog with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC1EB.E3D69EE0@jczalog>; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:27:34 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCC1EB.E3D69EE0@jczalog> From: JC Zalog To: "'thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:26:46 -0500 Encoding: 10 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am trying to attach an Hewlett Packard SureStore 6020 CD Writer to my TP 755cx. The TP is docked in the Dock I. I know I can attach the CD via a SCSI-2 card, but the slot in the dock is currently occupied. I have been told there is a SCSI port on the Dock. If this is true, is there a cable available? Could someone provide me with the part number and where I might find a cable that would attach the CD writer to my dock? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 18:28:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288482490; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:28:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08939; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:19:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08723; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08685; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shin_hw.clark.net (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA28021 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970915181516.00939100@clark.net> X-Sender: shin_hw@clark.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:15:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Henry Shin Subject: WTB: DIMM adaptor for TP760E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I was wondering if anyone here had a spare DIMM adaptor for TP760E. The part number is 46H6023. Please respond by private email. Thanks! Henry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 18:29:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288722540; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:29:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09035; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:21:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08890; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08869; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc596617-a.avnl1.nj.home.com ([24.3.133.2]) by ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA21659; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:21:09 -0700 Message-Id: <341DB51A.B49CA690@home.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:22:19 -0400 From: Michael Bernstein Reply-To: mbernste@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-AtHome0401 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: JC Zalog Cc: "'thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Re: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BCC1EB.E3D69EE0@jczalog> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I do not know if the Dock I has a SCSI port, but you can get a cable by Adaptec that connects a SCSI device to the parallel port. I've used these devices and the peripherals attached to them are *much* faster than their parallel port counter parts (i.e. a parallel backpack CD). --Mike Bernstein JC Zalog wrote: > I am trying to attach an Hewlett Packard SureStore 6020 CD Writer to > my TP > 755cx. The TP is docked in the Dock I. I know I can attach the CD > via a > SCSI-2 card, but the slot in the dock is currently occupied. > > I have been told there is a SCSI port on the Dock. If this is true, > is > there a cable available? Could someone provide me with the part > number and > where I might find a cable that would attach the CD writer to my dock? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 21:30:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018103410; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:30:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16623; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:21:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16453; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16420; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760xd (user-38lca90.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.41.32]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA27353; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970916012136.006860e4@mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:21:36 -0400 To: JC Zalog , "'thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU'" From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I believe I have the cable you are looking for. IBM's price is about $60. I will sell for $35, including postage. Let me know... Richard At 03:26 PM 9/15/97 -0500, JC Zalog wrote: >I am trying to attach an Hewlett Packard SureStore 6020 CD Writer to my TP >755cx. The TP is docked in the Dock I. I know I can attach the CD via a >SCSI-2 card, but the slot in the dock is currently occupied. > >I have been told there is a SCSI port on the Dock. If this is true, is >there a cable available? Could someone provide me with the part number and >where I might find a cable that would attach the CD writer to my dock? > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 22:17:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024546246; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:17:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18501; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:14:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18364; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18353; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts14.loop.net (p14.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.209]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26028; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709160212.TAA26028@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "Doug Fairclough" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 19:14:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Surplus Direct stuff Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:38:30 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 11:07 AM 9/13/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >>> yuck. i got that Genoa 4MB card and its stinky. on a NEC 21 inch >>> monitor, in 1280x1024 256 color mode, if you stretch a window (for >>> example MSIE browser) it flickers. will call tech support, but i >>> was wondering when 16MB cards will hit the market ! or if i should >>> get a matrox as others suggested ... >> >>The flicker is caused by a low scan rate (probably split-scanning at >>that resolution), and extra memory wouldn't help much. It is *mainly* a >>function of monitor speed and video card speed. Very few video cards can >>drive most monitors at this resolution at the ergonometric minimum 70hz >>refresh rate. This is especially true if your NEC is more than 2 years >>old. You'll need a *much* more expensive card; make sure before > > David, what does age of the monitor have to do with it? > I think what he means is that older monitors didn't have "all" the capabilities of todays' CRTs. For example, I got a used 8515 IBM monitor, which was sorta Hi-RES (in 1990), but it only supports 640*480 @ 60Hz, and 1024*768 @ 48Hz Interlaced. Though this may be an extreme case, I guess you might understand what I mean. Paul > Or are you using that as a gauge to suggest what the expected refresh rate >for a given resolution would be? > > I'm wondering if you know something about newer monitors--specifically, is >a lower refresh still ergonomically acceptable to view on newer monitors >for some reason? > > I have a 9 month old Dell desktop with a 20-inch Trinitron (Sony, >basically) monitor that I regularly run at 1600 x 1200 (Hi-color) and I >have no problem with flicker, etc. It looks positively beautiful to me >(and I had an NEC 6FGp 21" monitor before this one). > > >------- >Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >Director, Electronic Commerce Program >Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 22:24:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA025256681; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:24:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18894; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:21:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18683; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18672; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts14.loop.net (p14.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.209]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26796; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709160219.TAA26796@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dan Ascheman" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 19:22:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help with rootdisk on TP 365X Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:15:11 -0500, Dan Ascheman wrote: >Hi all, >I am using Slackware96 Linux 3.1.0 > I am used Partition Magic to set up Free Space on my HD to load Linux >and > I am having some problems. > I set up the Free Space as "unformatted", reboot and load the bootdisk, > type in "ramdisk floppy=thinkpad" , enter the rootdisk, press ENTER, > and I get the error: > Kernel Panic: VFS : Unable to mount root fs on 02:1c > I have tried "ramdisk floppy=thinkpad" > AND "ramdisk hd=788,32,63" at the LILO prompt, neither of which works. > Any suggestions? > Can you enter ramdisk options twice?? (thinkpad and hd) > When I use ramdisk hd=788,32,63 it says: > RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0, invalied compressed format > But when i type in ramdisk floppy=thinkpad, it says, "Java Binary >Support > v1.01 for Linux 1.3.98: > VFS: Insert root floppy and press ENTER > Why do I have to enter the rootdisk twice?? > Then I everntually get Kernel Panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 02:1c > > By the way, I am using bare.i for my bootdisk, and color.gz for my > rootdisk. > Thanks, >Dan Ascheman > Try it without the thinkpad parameter. Otherwise, bare.i and color.gz should be okay. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 22:27:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA025976874; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:27:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18791; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:20:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18600; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18590; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts14.loop.net (p14.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.209]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26661; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709160218.TAA26661@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Paul Khoury" Cc: "abandali@cmi.csc.com" , "rwhittle@usa.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 19:20:42 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Competition : TP v Omnibook Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 14 Sep 97 22:50:25 HST, David Ross wrote: >> >Mac came along), while their early Vectra PC-compatibles were painfully >> >proprietary. >> >> If you think they're proprietary, look at Compaq. > >At least Compaq can run MSDOS out of the box. As I recall the Vectras, >they ran CPM-86 OK, but spoke a very strange dialect of DOS (even >wierder than the one the Sanyos ran). But try getting the Compaq to work with some of the larger 100+ MB IDE or MFM/RLL drives. It's drive types are proprietary like the PS/2s, and video proprietariness is also a problem. Of course, Microchannel is also proprietary, but I like MCA though (32MHz bus speeds!). > >BTW, a friend had an HP of about the same vintage; the keyboard had two >little perpendicular wheels for fast and precise cursor control - worked >great, but seems to have totally disappeared as a concept until the >recent introduction of a single wheel on the new MS mice. > For me, the new M$-mouse seems like a marketing joke, but hey, I only use OS/2 and Linux anyways, so that would figure. Paul >- David > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 15 22:35:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA026887299; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:34:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19466; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:30:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19344; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19315; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts14.loop.net (p14.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.209]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA27688; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709160228.TAA27688@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "JC Zalog" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 19:30:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:26:46 -0500, JC Zalog wrote: >I am trying to attach an Hewlett Packard SureStore 6020 CD Writer to my TP >755cx. The TP is docked in the Dock I. I know I can attach the CD via a >SCSI-2 card, but the slot in the dock is currently occupied. > >I have been told there is a SCSI port on the Dock. If this is true, is >there a cable available? Could someone provide me with the part number and >where I might find a cable that would attach the CD writer to my dock? > Sometimes the SCSI connection looks like a parallel port. Check for a port like that without the printer icon. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 16 00:37:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA044684651; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:37:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24110; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:34:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23951; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23924; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip166-72-201-112.vt.us.ibm.net (slip166-72-201-112.vt.us.ibm.net [166.72.201.112]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA20938 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 04:33:54 GMT From: byellin@ibm.net (Bob Yellin) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad Sources Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 04:33:19 GMT Organization: * Message-Id: <341e0af4.8052069@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I own a 755cx (purchased from CDW a couple of years ago) and now my son wants to buy a TP (maybe a 380). Just wondering about the best sources for price and reliability. Can anyone share some experiences? Also I noticed some recent posts about refurbished units. Does anyone have telephone numbers? TIA byellin@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 16 09:17:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101725871; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:17:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20096; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:12:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19690; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19619; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.147.132.71] by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA28572; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:11:14 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970916054743.0071af0c@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: john-callahan@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 05:47:43 -0700 To: byellin@ibm.net (Bob Yellin), THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: John Callahan Subject: Re: ThinkPad Sources In-Reply-To: <341e0af4.8052069@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:33 AM 9/16/97 +0000, Bob Yellin wrote: > >I own a 755cx (purchased from CDW a couple of years ago) and now my >son wants to buy a TP (maybe a 380). Just wondering about the best >sources for price and reliability. Can anyone share some experiences? >Also I noticed some recent posts about refurbished units. Does anyone >have telephone numbers? >TIA >byellin@ibm.net > > I recently bought my ThinkPad 760E from PC Connection. I've done business with this company for 12 years and have never been disappointed. PC Connection has both new and refurb ThinkPad. Phone Number: (800)800-0009 ----- John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA Phone: (206) 282-7050 Fax: (206) 727-6940 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 16 12:35:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135387724; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:35:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03513; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:14:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02845; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gauss.ee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02835; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by gauss.ee.calpoly.edu (8.8.5/ELEE) with SMTP id JAA02450; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970916091336.006ac27c@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:13:36 -0700 To: "JC Zalog" From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock Cc: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <199709160228.TAA27688@stevie.loop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:30 PM 9/15/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:26:46 -0500, JC Zalog wrote: > >>I am trying to attach an Hewlett Packard SureStore 6020 CD Writer to my TP >>755cx. The TP is docked in the Dock I. I know I can attach the CD via a >>SCSI-2 card, but the slot in the dock is currently occupied. >> >>I have been told there is a SCSI port on the Dock. If this is true, is >>there a cable available? Could someone provide me with the part number and >>where I might find a cable that would attach the CD writer to my dock? >> >Sometimes the SCSI connection looks like a parallel port. Check for a port like >that without the printer icon. > >Paul > > The Dock I has an internal 50 pin SCSI connector (Which I believe is standard), and an external connector on the back of the case. It's a proprietary connector that resembles a GPIB (IEEE488) connector, so you need a special cable from IBM that goes from their funky connector to a centronics type connector. -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 16 12:48:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA138598521; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:48:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05504; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:44:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05327; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05305; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fofyplfq (ip185.white-plains.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.216.185]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25017 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:44:14 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCC29E.3CE9AE20.rponiarski@earthlink.net> From: "Richard M. Poniarski" Reply-To: "rponiarski@earthlink.net" To: "'thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: RE: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:54:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Monday, September 15, 1997 6:22 PM, Michael Bernstein [SMTP:mbernste@home.com] wrote: > I do not know if the Dock I has a SCSI port, but you can get a cable by > Adaptec that connects a SCSI device to the parallel port. I've used > these devices and the peripherals attached to them are *much* faster > than their parallel port counter parts (i.e. a parallel backpack CD). > > --Mike Bernstein > > You must mean the Adaptec MiniSCSI Plus cable. I used it with my old Toshiba T1910CS notebook and attached a Reno CD-ROM drive. Windows 95 recognizes the MiniSCSI cable and loads the proper drivers. My CD was then treated just like any other drive. It worked well, if not as fast as a true SCSI device. Also it is not hot swappable; you have to shut down and reboot the system if you want to add or subtract anything attached to the cable, otherwise the system hangs. Richard M. Poniarski rponiarski@earthlink.net '95 318ti Sport The 318ti Site: http://home.earthlink.net/~rponiarski/ "If you have to ask..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 16 15:11:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA163637093; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:11:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15819; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:55:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15588; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gauss.ee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15555; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by gauss.ee.calpoly.edu (8.8.5/ELEE) with SMTP id LAA04432; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970916115442.00691050@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:54:42 -0700 To: linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Joystick with Thinkpad in Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I was wondering if anyone has used a joystick with their thinkpad using the Linux joystick module. Is it even possible? I have a TP755CD with the midi joystick port. Any pointers to compatibility lists would be greatly appreciated! -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 16 18:01:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA191907263; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:01:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28749; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:45:33 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28294; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id RAA06680; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([207.211.19.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28136; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.14] by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id qa365992 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:37:05 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCC29E.3CE9AE20.rponiarski@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:27:51 -0800 To: "'thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU'" From: Mike Ford Subject: PCMCIA SCSI? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I would like to have a SCSI port on our 365XD, but can get by I think just networking to the various storage media. I noticed a newsgroup ad though for some cheap PCMCIA SCSI cards (about $50, no I don't have the ad, just dejanews for it) along with the last, one would hope, of the Mediagenic portable CDROM drives (again about $50). Just how bad is the generic PCMCIA SCSI card? Would it be fast enough to support a 2x CDROM writer? BTW I have the IBM port replicator, but I don't think it has SCSI, just the normal ports plus joysticks etc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 16 19:01:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA203080885; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:01:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02709; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:58:00 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02419; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id SAA07017; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00467; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA29792; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:16:51 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199709162216.BAA29792@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 01:16:33 +0300 To: Mike Ford , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: PCMCIA SCSI? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 at 02:27 PM you, Mike Ford , said: >I would like to have a SCSI port on our 365XD, but can get by I think >just networking to the various storage media. I noticed a newsgroup ad >though for some cheap PCMCIA SCSI cards (about $50, no I don't have the >ad, just dejanews for it) along with the last, one would hope, of the >Mediagenic portable CDROM drives (again about $50). I don't know about no name PCMCIA SCSI cards. I chose the Adaptec 1460 SlimSCSI because it supports almost all operation systems, including non mainstream ones like OS/2 and Linux. I'd say that if your card works with your OS of choice and you don't plan to run other OS's in teh future, go for it. >Just how bad is the generic PCMCIA SCSI card? Would it be fast enough to >support a 2x CDROM writer? I think it's not how good or how bad it is: either it supports your OS of choice or not. I would imagine CPU and RAM are more important parameters for your CDR drive than the SCSI adapter, which is unlikely to be the bottleneck. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 16 21:58:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA227581505; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:58:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09645; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:48:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09529; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09518; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:45:43 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC2D2.52CCB780@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:57:04 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCC2D2.52CCB780@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FW: PCMCIA SCSI? Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:57:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try www.insight.com They had the Sony PCMCIA SCSI plus 2X CD-rom for $80 ? The adapter is an Adaptec 1460. The Panasonic variation of this was ~ $100 at DAYMARK . IT is better as the connector is non-propriatory. I have the 4x Sony version ...it was $120 ..peter.. Re your other question Any PCMCIA SCSI is overkill for 2X , 4X CD-roms DAMN just reread you message . You don't want a CD-rom ? You want to talk to a CD writer ??? You mean "MediaVision" portable CDROM ? BTW onsale has a great deal on a combo SCSI/Sound card for $60 but you have sound already in the 365XD ---------- From: Mike Ford[SMTP:michaelford@usa.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 3:27 PM To: 'thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU' Subject: PCMCIA SCSI? I would like to have a SCSI port on our 365XD, but can get by I think just networking to the various storage media. I noticed a newsgroup ad though for some cheap PCMCIA SCSI cards (about $50, no I don't have the ad, just dejanews for it) along with the last, one would hope, of the Mediagenic portable CDROM drives (again about $50). Just how bad is the generic PCMCIA SCSI card? Would it be fast enough to support a 2x CDROM writer? BTW I have the IBM port replicator, but I don't think it has SCSI, just the normal ports plus joysticks etc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 16 23:01:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237435302; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:01:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12530; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:58:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12374; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12364; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id TAA10258; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hi-av1.cadence.com(158.140.128.31) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma874465131.010253; Tue Sep 16 19:58:51 1997 Received: (from perley@localhost) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) id TAA06822; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199709170257.TAA06822@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Subject: Re: FW: PCMCIA SCSI? To: machule@triumf.ca (tisol) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BCC2D2.52CCB780@sfupc.Triumf.CA> from "tisol" at Sep 16, 97 06:57:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > Just how bad is the generic PCMCIA SCSI card? Would it be fast enough to > support a 2x CDROM writer? It isn't just a question of fast enough. With some recorders the requirement is that the combination of card, driver, os,etc has to be smooth enough to deliver the data in a steady stream for half an hour without any interruptions.... ie there's no flow control or pause button allowed. Nicer recorders (more expensive) have an internal hard drive. You load the data onto that, then it can record directly off its own stored image. -Don Perley From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 17 16:11:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA076387095; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:11:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10227; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:56:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09829; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.club-internet.fr (mail.club-internet.fr [194.158.96.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09819; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-102-17 (ppp-102-17.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.102.17]) by mail.club-internet.fr (Grolier/MGC-970630-No_Relay) with SMTP id VAA00396 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:55:36 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:57:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Soussi" Message-Id: <874547829-0-yss@club-internet.fr> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <874547829-1-yss@club-internet.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu suscribe yss@club-internet.fr From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 17 17:17:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA092001045; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:17:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12031; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:34:37 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11848; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA13965; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([209.60.190.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11204; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.46] by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ga367620 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:19:49 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCC2D2.52CCB780@sfupc.Triumf.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:22:46 -0800 To: tisol , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: FW: PCMCIA SCSI? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 6:57 PM -0700 9/16/97, tisol wrote: >Try www.insight.com >They had the Sony PCMCIA SCSI plus 2X CD-rom for $80 ? >The adapter is an Adaptec 1460. >The Panasonic variation of this was ~ $100 at DAYMARK . >IT is better as the connector is non-propriatory. > >I have the 4x Sony version ...it was $120 >..peter.. >Re your other question >Any PCMCIA SCSI is overkill for 2X , 4X CD-roms >DAMN just reread you message . You don't want a CD-rom ? >You want to talk to a CD writer ??? >You mean "MediaVision" portable CDROM ? Yeah, that one I think. I have a CDrom writer hooked to my mac, but if it was easy/cheap I would like to hook it to the 365XD from time to time for backup and making a blasted w95 installer disc instead of a pile of floppies. Hence the question about a PCMCIA SCSI card, which was about $50 (one thing was $43 and the other $53, but I forget which was which). Also though, I have some older systems I am building for relatives and want to include a CDROM drive and a few Gig of software via my CDR burner. Clear as mud right? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 17 17:29:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA094491761; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:29:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14184; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:18:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14073; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([207.211.19.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14060; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.46] by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id va367687 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:35:47 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709170257.TAA06822@mailhub.Cadence.COM> References: <01BCC2D2.52CCB780@sfupc.Triumf.CA> from "tisol" at Sep 16, 97 06:57:03 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:36:12 -0800 To: Don Perley , machule@triumf.ca (tisol) From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: FW: PCMCIA SCSI? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 7:57 PM -0700 9/16/97, Don Perley wrote: >> >> Just how bad is the generic PCMCIA SCSI card? Would it be fast enough to >> support a 2x CDROM writer? > >It isn't just a question of fast enough. With some recorders the requirement >is that the combination of card, driver, os,etc has to be smooth >enough to deliver the data in a steady stream for half an hour without >any interruptions.... ie there's no flow control or pause button allowed. > >Nicer recorders (more expensive) have an internal hard drive. You load >the data onto that, then it can record directly off its own stored image. > >-Don Perley Commercial duplicators have that feature, builtin hard drive, but all of the normal units depend on a steady flow. They do have buffers, 512k and 2 mb are common, with the trend going back to 512k. That is something just less than a second, but apparently if something is going to glitch for half a second most likely it will nail you even with a two second buffer. I think you are correct though that the driver stuff may be snafu. I wonder if the W95 installer maker will even do something on a CDROM, or is it just for floppies? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 17 19:39:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA116539557; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:39:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19482; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:27:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19304; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19294; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@[207.94.133.45] (port 38663 [207.94.133.45]) by shell.izap.com with ESMTP id <228182-1604>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:27:46 -0700 Message-Id: <34206724.28BE02D@izap.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:26:30 -0700 From: josh Reply-To: josh.gomez@intisys.com Organization: Intisys X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: TP 500 - WIN 95 & REDHAT 4.2 Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am looking for the "OPTIMUM" configuration for the ThinkPad 500 for use under Win95, the IBM site has the same old stuff (nothing helpful). Mainly in the area of Video Configurations & getting sound to play through the PC Speaker. Maybe someone who owns a TP500 has a similair setup to mine: My TP 500 is configured (sort of) like this. 12MB RAM 540 MB HDD IBM Home & Away Ethernet /14.4 SYSTEM COMMANDER ..WIN 95 ..DOS 6.22 ..RED HAT LINUX 4.2 I also wnat to know if Metro X is useable with the TP500, and how to configure X-windows (period) for the TP500, I have seen some of the docs on the Net, but just can't figure my way around. Also, what is the recommended swap file size for a TP500? I currnetly have my LINUX system setup as 75mb & 300mb. Any suggestions, comments, advice are welcome..... josh jg@izap.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 17 20:07:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA120981254; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:07:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21050; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:03:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20890; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from megsinet.net (megspo.megsinet.net [208.150.39.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20878; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from randolphmax1-31.megsinet.net(really [208.133.78.31]) by megsinet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:03:00 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #3 built 1997-Aug-19) Received: by randolphmax1-31.megsinet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC39C.71037DE0@randolphmax1-31.megsinet.net>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:03:53 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCC39C.71037DE0@randolphmax1-31.megsinet.net> From: Dennis Pantazis To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: LCD on TP560 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:52:27 -0500 Encoding: 15 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings... I a hopeing someone might know which video subsystem is used in the 560. The online stuff from IBM says its the IBM ThinkPad(Cyber9385/82) PCI, but the default driver installed by the Video Features utility was the IBM ThinkPad(Cyber9320) PCI under win95. Using the 9320 works ok, I think its the same as the 365. The 9385/82 is the same as the 760's. What this all leads up to is I need to know exactly which one, or which other TP's have the same subsustem because I need to use the correct driver under Solaris. Sun does not yet explicitly call out support for the 560. TIA Dennis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 17 20:55:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128434099; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:54:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22915; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:52:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22750; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22740; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:49:23 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC393.A42C3260@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:00:54 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCC393.A42C3260@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: LCD on TP560 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:00:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Visit : http://www.tridentmicro.com/trident/html/Drivers/Utilities.htm download the chipnumb.exe it will tell you what you have. IBM's info is suspect; it says I have a lovely 9382 on my 760E.... I don't.....sigh. Note : the 9382 is the same as the 9385 other than TV output support. The 9320 is a much lower end chip. ...peter.. ---------- From: Dennis Pantazis[SMTP:chessie@megsinet.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 4:52 PM To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Subject: LCD on TP560 Greetings... I a hopeing someone might know which video subsystem is used in the 560. The online stuff from IBM says its the IBM ThinkPad(Cyber9385/82) PCI, but the default driver installed by the Video Features utility was the IBM ThinkPad(Cyber9320) PCI under win95. Using the 9320 works ok, I think its the same as the 365. The 9385/82 is the same as the 760's. What this all leads up to is I need to know exactly which one, or which other TP's have the same subsustem because I need to use the correct driver under Solaris. Sun does not yet explicitly call out support for the 560. TIA Dennis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 17 21:02:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA129424564; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:02:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23203; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:00:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23089; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23079; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shin_hw.clark.net (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA24395 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970917205654.0098c100@clark.net> X-Sender: shin_hw@clark.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:56:57 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Henry Shin Subject: Pink display on 755CE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I recently purchased a used Thinkpad 755CE with 10.4" active matrix screen. Unfortunately, the colors on the screen are off shade. For example, common grey title bars on Windows95 is somewhat pink! And, the green/jade color on the blank desktop background on Windows95 is bright blue. I ran a diagnostics on the laptop and I don't get any hardware failures. My guess is something is wrong with the electronics in the display and not the video card. I attched an external monitor and the colors seem fine on the monitor. So, I am pretty sure the something is wrong in the LCD assemply. Any guesses at what the problems are? Better yet, suggestions for solution? Anyone have a broken LCD with working assembly for sale? Thanks, Henry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 01:58:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169992307; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:58:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02927; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:52:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02814; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02797; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts02.loop.net (p29.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.104]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20593; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709180549.WAA20593@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mike Ford" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "tisol" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 22:52:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FW: PCMCIA SCSI? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:22:46 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >At 6:57 PM -0700 9/16/97, tisol wrote: >>Try www.insight.com >>They had the Sony PCMCIA SCSI plus 2X CD-rom for $80 ? >>The adapter is an Adaptec 1460. >>The Panasonic variation of this was ~ $100 at DAYMARK . >>IT is better as the connector is non-propriatory. >> >>I have the 4x Sony version ...it was $120 >>..peter.. >>Re your other question >>Any PCMCIA SCSI is overkill for 2X , 4X CD-roms >>DAMN just reread you message . You don't want a CD-rom ? >>You want to talk to a CD writer ??? >>You mean "MediaVision" portable CDROM ? > >Yeah, that one I think. > >I have a CDrom writer hooked to my mac, but if it was easy/cheap I would >like to hook it to the 365XD from time to time for backup and making a >blasted w95 installer disc instead of a pile of floppies. Hence the >question about a PCMCIA SCSI card, which was about $50 (one thing was $43 >and the other $53, but I forget which was which). > >Also though, I have some older systems I am building for relatives and want >to include a CDROM drive and a few Gig of software via my CDR burner. > >Clear as mud right? > > I don't have a SCSI-2 PCMCIA card yet (ugh), but I got a portable 2x SCSI-2 CD-ROM (Media Vision Reno), and it was only $90. Now they have an improved version (regular AA batteries) for $59 from www.halted.com. I currently use it with my desktop on a SCSI-2/3 PCI controller. Even for a 2x, it FLIES. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 02:01:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171922505; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:01:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03103; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:55:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02994; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02984; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts02.loop.net (p29.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.104]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20713; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709180553.WAA20713@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "JC Zalog" , "Michael Fukatsu" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 22:56:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:13:36 -0700, Michael Fukatsu wrote: >At 07:30 PM 9/15/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:26:46 -0500, JC Zalog wrote: >> >>>I am trying to attach an Hewlett Packard SureStore 6020 CD Writer to my TP >>>755cx. The TP is docked in the Dock I. I know I can attach the CD via a >>>SCSI-2 card, but the slot in the dock is currently occupied. >>> >>>I have been told there is a SCSI port on the Dock. If this is true, is >>>there a cable available? Could someone provide me with the part number and >>>where I might find a cable that would attach the CD writer to my dock? >>> >>Sometimes the SCSI connection looks like a parallel port. Check for a >port like >>that without the printer icon. >> >>Paul >> >> > >The Dock I has an internal 50 pin SCSI connector (Which I believe is >standard), and an external connector on the back of the case. It's a >proprietary connector that resembles a GPIB (IEEE488) connector, so you >need a special cable from IBM that goes from their funky connector to a >centronics type connector. > >-Mike > > Sounds like classic IBM to me. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 02:07:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA172412851; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:07:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03384; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:01:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03253; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03242; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts02.loop.net (p29.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.104]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20941; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709180559.WAA20941@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dan Ascheman" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 23:02:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help with rootdisk on TP 365X -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:31:52 -0500, Dan Ascheman wrote: >>Try it without the thinkpad parameter. Otherwise, bare.i and color.gz >>should >>be okay. > >I've been trying it with/without the Thinkpad parameter for the past 4 days >- nothing works. >I get the same error every single time. >Any other ideas??? > > No offense, but try Debian. See if that doesn't work. Maybe Slakware isn't compatible, but I could be wrong, though. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 03:39:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184348367; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:39:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06569; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:38:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06485; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06475; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA08304; Wed, 17 Sep 97 21:37:46 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA26740; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:38:13 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709180738.VAA26740@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: FW: PCMCIA SCSI? To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 21:38:13 HST Cc: michaelford@usa.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, machule@triumf.ca In-Reply-To: <199709180549.WAA20593@ritchie.loop.net>; from "Paul Khoury" at Sep 17, 97 10:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >At 6:57 PM -0700 9/16/97, tisol wrote: > >>Try www.insight.com > >>They had the Sony PCMCIA SCSI plus 2X CD-rom for $80 ? > I don't have a SCSI-2 PCMCIA card yet (ugh), but I got a portable > 2x SCSI-2 CD-ROM (Media Vision Reno), and it was only $90. Now they > have an improved version (regular AA batteries) for $59 from > www.halted.com. I currently use it with my desktop on a SCSI-2/3 PCI > controller. Even for a 2x, it FLIES. I saw this at HSC's Cotati store 3 years ago for $90; it was revolutionary for its time, but the Sony version is smaller, lighter, and faster - plus, it comes *with* the pcmcia adapter. I don't understand what you mean 'improved version' - I though Media Vision went belly up about 2 years ago. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 05:41:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA197925667; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:41:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15618; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:56:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08544; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpserv0.cs.uit.no (hpserv0.cs.UiT.No [129.242.16.105]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08534; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haralds.cs.uit.no by hpserv0.cs.uit.no with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/IOH-1.0) id AA173772967; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:56:07 +0200 Received: from haralds (harald@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by haralds.cs.uit.no with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA17360; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:56:06 +0200 (METDST) Sender: harald@staff.cs.uit.no Message-Id: <3420ECA5.410A@staff.cs.uit.no> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:56:06 +0200 From: Harald Skotnes Organization: University of Tromsoe X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: video chipset in the new TP770? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi. Does anybody know which video chipset is in the new Thinkpad 770. Does XFree have support for this chipset? -- //// Harald Skotnes // Email: harald@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Dept. of Computer Science // Phone: +47 77 64 41 16 // // University of Tromsoe // Fax: +47 77 64 40 54 /// / N-9037 TROMSOE NORWAY // Like it or not, it's One World //// From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 09:35:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221839749; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:35:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23248; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:30:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22968; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22956; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p23.hwts14.loop.net (p23.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.218]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA29350; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709181328.GAA29350@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "machule@triumf.ca" , "michaelford@usa.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 06:31:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FW: PCMCIA SCSI? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 17 Sep 97 21:38:13 HST, David Ross wrote: >> >At 6:57 PM -0700 9/16/97, tisol wrote: >> >>Try www.insight.com >> >>They had the Sony PCMCIA SCSI plus 2X CD-rom for $80 ? > >> I don't have a SCSI-2 PCMCIA card yet (ugh), but I got a portable >> 2x SCSI-2 CD-ROM (Media Vision Reno), and it was only $90. Now they >> have an improved version (regular AA batteries) for $59 from >> www.halted.com. I currently use it with my desktop on a SCSI-2/3 PCI >> controller. Even for a 2x, it FLIES. > >I saw this at HSC's Cotati store 3 years ago for $90; it was >revolutionary for its time, but the Sony version is smaller, >lighter, and faster - plus, it comes *with* the pcmcia adapter. I don't >understand what you mean 'improved version' - I though Media Vision went >belly up about 2 years ago. > Well, they did go belly up, but I meant improved as in that it can take regular AA batteries instead of proprietarys. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 10:03:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225681413; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:03:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24826; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:55:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24659; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kim.teleport.com (kim.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24589; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip-pdx05-30.teleport.com (ip-pdx05-30.teleport.com [206.163.123.159]) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA20252 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709181355.GAA20252@kim.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Mouse button Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The left "mouse button" on my 701 is getting soft and squishy feeling and squeaks though it is still operable. It is clearly different from the little used right button that has the nice "click" feeling. Does this indicate an upcoming failure in the near future as I suspect? The mushy feeling didn't bother me so much as the squeak which feels like something more serious...I can feel the "squeak" both when pushing and releasing the button. I have had no other problems at all with the butterfly keyboard. Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 12:53:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251731591; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:53:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07506; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:44:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07317; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07288; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17688; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:48:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: FW: PCMCIA SCSI? In-Reply-To: <199709181328.GAA29350@ritchie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Well, they did go belly up, but I meant improved as in that it can > take regular AA batteries instead of proprietarys. What SCSI connector is on the drive itself? IS it something weird? ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 14:37:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271307864; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:37:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15604; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:28:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15364; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15342; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.10] ([206.18.124.10]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA28366 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:28:09 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:28:38 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: 560 sale Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just got this in my email today, without comment I pass it along to the list. ====================================================================== ====== LAPTOPS ==== LAPTOPS === LAPTOPS === LAPTOPS =========== https://www.warehouse.com/pcspecialoffer.htm or call 1-800-644-4353. Please mention code PJ7S01 when you order. ====================================================================== IBM Thinkpad 560 Only $1499!!! Ask for SH0852 with FREE 16MB Upgrade - a $139 value -Ultra Light - only 4.1 pounds -Ultra Slim, only 1.2 inches thick -100MHz Pentium processor -24MB RAM (8MB & FREE 16MB Upgrade) -810MB Hard Drive -11.3-inch DSTN color display -Integrated infrared -Built-in 16-bit stereo audio Add 16MB of RAM for only $169.95! Ask for SH0783 Add an additional 48 month warranty for only $149 Ask for SH0555 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 16:45:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294605557; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:45:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22819; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:34:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22434; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22421; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02114 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:25:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Problems with Peripherals Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm trying to get my 701 to use a regular keyboard and mouse; I plug them in to the attachment bar in the proper place, but still the keyboard and mouse are the thinkpad's keyboard and the red push thing. Is there something I have to enable to make this work? Annelise From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 17:11:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA299327111; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:11:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24718; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:06:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24464; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24388; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edson.ee.ualberta.ca (sdew@edson.ee.ualberta.ca [129.128.16.1]) by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA19646 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:05:41 -0600 Received: by edson.ee.ualberta.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01315; Thu, 18 Sep 97 15:06:39 MDT From: steven.dew@ualberta.ca (Steven Dew) Message-Id: <9709182106.AA01315@edson.ee.ualberta.ca> Subject: IrDA to printer? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Cc: sdew@ee.ualberta.ca X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a 365XD and a HP Laserjet 5MP with an IrDA port. Does anyone know how I can get the two to work together under Win95? The printer only came with DOS and Win 3.1 software, but the HP web site implies that IrDA support is built in under Win 95. The only requirement is that it be IrDA 1.0 compliant. The Thinkpad manual doesn't speak of IR printers specifically, but does say that it is IrDA compliant. I have enabled the IR port under Win95 as COM1 (disabling the serial port), installed the HP 5MP printer driver under COM1, but can't print a test page. The light on the HP receiver never blinks to indicate a connection. There is no information from HP about serial communications parameters - just that it is 115Kb/s capable. (The Win 95 Device Manager doesn't indicate any conflicts.) Does anyone have any suggestions? (I won't even dream about asking about Linux-IrDA yet!) Thanks in advance! Steve Dew sdew@ee.ualberta.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 17:32:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003938366; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:32:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25956; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:23:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25726; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25689; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:26:53 -0400 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC457.83370070@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:23:00 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCC457.83370070@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'Steven Dew'" Subject: RE: IrDA to printer? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:22:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Steve! Get the IrDA Drivers from Microsoft at their Website. I don't remember what the file is called since I always rename the files to something meaningful :) It really works and I personally think it is still quite amazing - beam and that's it. It is at least as fast as with a normal parallel cable. It also comes with a small utility that makes sending files to another computer really easy. It is neat when you meet someone with a laptop in a cafe or such, and I've exchanged Dial-up scripts this way, and the occasional little game ;) axel >I have a 365XD and a HP Laserjet 5MP with an IrDA port. Does anyone >know how I can get the two to work together under Win95? The printer >only came with DOS and Win 3.1 software, but the HP web site implies >that IrDA support is built in under Win 95. The only requirement is >that it be IrDA 1.0 compliant. The Thinkpad manual doesn't speak of >IR printers specifically, but does say that it is IrDA compliant. > >I have enabled the IR port under Win95 as COM1 (disabling the serial >port), installed the HP 5MP printer driver under COM1, but can't print >a test page. The light on the HP receiver never blinks to indicate >a connection. There is no information from HP about serial communications >parameters - just that it is 115Kb/s capable. (The Win 95 Device Manager >doesn't indicate any conflicts.) > >Does anyone have any suggestions? (I won't even dream about asking >about Linux-IrDA yet!) > >Thanks in advance! >Steve Dew >sdew@ee.ualberta.ca > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 19:42:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024446138; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:42:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02304; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:28:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02192; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02182; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22599 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1997 23:28:43 -0000 Received: from asahel-2.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.180) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1997 23:28:43 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 sale Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:28:27 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <3422d450.1062468@smtp.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm thinking of buying a 560, and am wondering if anyone has thoughts on this model of Thinkpad, re. quality, performance, etc. I'd also appreciate hearing from someone with a dual scan as to how the display is. They seem to be all that's left below $2000, and I'm wondering whether to settle for one, or keep waiting; the 560e models may be in that range by Christmas when the Tillamook models hit the streets, and with a TFT MMX system I'd be happy with just 150 or 166Mhz. epbrown On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:28:38 -0800, you wrote: >I just got this in my email today, without comment I pass it along to = the list. >IBM Thinkpad 560 Only $1499!!! Ask for SH0852 >with FREE 16MB Upgrade - a $139 value > -Ultra Light - only 4.1 pounds > -Ultra Slim, only 1.2 inches thick > -100MHz Pentium processor > -24MB RAM (8MB & FREE 16MB Upgrade) > -810MB Hard Drive > -11.3-inch DSTN color display > -Integrated infrared > -Built-in 16-bit stereo audio Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 Laptop: Kiwi 680TX From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 20:03:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027087431; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:03:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04016; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:01:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03905; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03895; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xena (ppp-207-105-90-201.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.105.90.201]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id RAA06084; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3421BF5C.EC27DAE2@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:55:08 -0700 From: Richard Hamel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 sale X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3422d450.1062468@smtp.enteract.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I didn't think that IBM was going to make a Tillamook version of the 560 (at least judging by the lack of price cuts on the E series as opposed to the 765/760 price cuts)? epbrown wrote: > I'm thinking of buying a 560, and am wondering if anyone has > thoughts on this model of Thinkpad, re. quality, performance, etc. I'd > > also appreciate hearing from someone with a dual scan as to how the > display is. They seem to be all that's left below $2000, and I'm > wondering whether to settle for one, or keep waiting; the 560e models > may be in that range by Christmas when the Tillamook models hit the > streets, and with a TFT MMX system I'd be happy with just 150 or > 166Mhz. > epbrown > On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:28:38 -0800, you wrote: > >I just got this in my email today, without comment I pass it along to > the list. > >IBM Thinkpad 560 Only $1499!!! Ask for SH0852 > >with FREE 16MB Upgrade - a $139 value > > -Ultra Light - only 4.1 pounds > > -Ultra Slim, only 1.2 inches thick > > -100MHz Pentium processor > > -24MB RAM (8MB & FREE 16MB Upgrade) > > -810MB Hard Drive > > -11.3-inch DSTN color display > > -Integrated infrared > > -Built-in 16-bit stereo audio > > Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, > editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. > http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown > Laptop: Kiwi 680TX From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 21:10:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA035441448; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:10:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06873; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:03:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06666; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.gte.net (smtp.gte.net [207.115.153.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06645; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from g543hsk42012 (1Cust99.max9.hartford.ct.ms.uu.net [153.34.34.99]) by smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id UAA07813 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:04:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970918210305.00692dec@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: wtbrown@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:03:05 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "w.t.brown" Subject: Problem with startup of 560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 560 with 12.1 inch active matrix screen. Sometimes on startup it just exhibits a blank screen with a series of slanted bars across the top like /////////////////////////////////////////// and an hourglass in the center. Nothing more happens and I have to fiddle around with it and turn it off. Then when I restart it it boots up fine. I run Windows 95, it is a pentium 120mz with 24mb ram and 810 mb hard drive. What does this mean and how should I fix it? Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 21:15:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036281709; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:15:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06777; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:02:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06586; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.gte.net (smtp.gte.net [207.115.153.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06566; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from g543hsk42012 (1Cust99.max9.hartford.ct.ms.uu.net [153.34.34.99]) by smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id UAA07383 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:03:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970918210154.0068e208@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: wtbrown@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:01:54 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "w.t.brown" Subject: Problem with startup of 560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 560 with 12.1 inch active matrix screen. Sometimes on startup it just exhibits a blank screen with a series of slanted bars across the top like /////////////////////////////////////////// and an hourglass in the center. Nothing more happens and I have to fiddle around with it and turn it off. Then when I restart it it boots up fine. I run Windows 95, it is a pentium 120mz with 24mb ram and 810 mb hard drive. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 21:44:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA040093476; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:44:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08768; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:41:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08644; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.nwnexus.com (smtp2.nwnexus.com [198.137.231.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08626; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:41:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from micron (evt-lx100-ip28.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.28]) by smtp2.nwnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA06140; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:41:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970918184045.007d1b90@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: karensw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:40:45 -0700 To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 sale In-Reply-To: <3422d450.1062468@smtp.enteract.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:28 AM 9/19/97 GMT, epbrown wrote: > I'm thinking of buying a 560, and am wondering if anyone has >thoughts on this model of Thinkpad, re. quality, performance, etc. I'd >also appreciate hearing from someone with a dual scan as to how the >display is. They seem to be all that's left below $2000, and I'm >wondering whether to settle for one, or keep waiting; the 560e models >may be in that range by Christmas when the Tillamook models hit the >streets, and with a TFT MMX system I'd be happy with just 150 or >166Mhz. > epbrown >On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:28:38 -0800, you wrote: >>I just got this in my email today, without comment I pass it along to the list. >>IBM Thinkpad 560 Only $1499!!! Ask for SH0852 >>with FREE 16MB Upgrade - a $139 value >> -Ultra Light - only 4.1 pounds >> -Ultra Slim, only 1.2 inches thick >> -100MHz Pentium processor >> -24MB RAM (8MB & FREE 16MB Upgrade) >> -810MB Hard Drive >> -11.3-inch DSTN color display >> -Integrated infrared >> -Built-in 16-bit stereo audio > I have this exact model and like it just fine. I use it to read files, check email, and occasionally web browse. I am the only one reading the screen and find the dual screen quite satisfactory. I personally find the weight and price a very good trade off for a TFT screen since I don't require a lot of multimedia features or play games. The battery life is about 2-2.5 hours using it as I do. Karen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 21:51:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041043859; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:50:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09051; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:47:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08958; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08945; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts13.loop.net (p09.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.174]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA19731; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190145.SAA19731@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "epbrown" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 18:47:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560 sale Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:28:27 GMT, epbrown wrote: > I'm thinking of buying a 560, and am wondering if anyone has >thoughts on this model of Thinkpad, re. quality, performance, etc. I'd >also appreciate hearing from someone with a dual scan as to how the >display is. They seem to be all that's left below $2000, and I'm >wondering whether to settle for one, or keep waiting; the 560e models >may be in that range by Christmas when the Tillamook models hit the >streets, and with a TFT MMX system I'd be happy with just 150 or >166Mhz. > epbrown Well, my first ThinkPad was a 355C, a 486SX-33 with a small, but crisp 8.4" TFT, and it was indeed sharp, clear, and games actually were okay, like DOOM, but worked better on an IBM CRT. I'm sure that technology has obviously improved, but my DSTN is pretty sharp too, compared with the dual scans back then. If you want TV and fast action games, and have the extra cash, TFT is better, but DSTN is really just as good, but the refresh rate is slower, because on a TFT, each pixel is controlled by its own transistor. Dual Scan is called so because the screens is like 2 sections, the top half and the bottom half, and they are both constantly being scanned. So because it is longer to scan the whole screen, instead of lighting individual pixels, DSTN is thus slower. Hopefully this makes sense. Paul >On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:28:38 -0800, you wrote: >>I just got this in my email today, without comment I pass it along to the list. >>IBM Thinkpad 560 Only $1499!!! Ask for SH0852 >>with FREE 16MB Upgrade - a $139 value >> -Ultra Light - only 4.1 pounds >> -Ultra Slim, only 1.2 inches thick >> -100MHz Pentium processor >> -24MB RAM (8MB & FREE 16MB Upgrade) >> -810MB Hard Drive >> -11.3-inch DSTN color display >> -Integrated infrared >> -Built-in 16-bit stereo audio > >Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, >editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. >http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown >Laptop: Kiwi 680TX > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 21:58:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041554309; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:58:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09348; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:51:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09196; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09185; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts13.loop.net (p09.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.174]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA20117; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190149.SAA20117@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Parker" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 18:52:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FW: PCMCIA SCSI? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Well, they did go belly up, but I meant improved as in that it can >> take regular AA batteries instead of proprietarys. > > What SCSI connector is on the drive itself? IS it something weird? Nope. Just a standard 50pin High Density. Those are the most expensive, but they are the established SCSI-2 cabling standard. Personally, I prefer the 50 pin Centronics, which is (I think) the SCSI-1 standard, because it's easier, and less chance of breaking it. I was lucky to get my cables cheap though. Paul > >============================================================================ >==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== >============================================================================ > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 22:01:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042274459; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:00:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09980; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:58:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09738; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09719; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts13.loop.net (p09.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.174]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA20995; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190156.SAA20995@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bryan Daum" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 18:58:31 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mouse button Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:55:13 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Daum wrote: >The left "mouse button" on my 701 is getting soft and squishy feeling and >squeaks though it is still operable. It is clearly different from the >little used right button that has the nice "click" feeling. Does this >indicate an upcoming failure in the near future as I suspect? The mushy >feeling didn't bother me so much as the squeak which feels like something >more serious...I can feel the "squeak" both when pushing and releasing the >button. I have had no other problems at all with the butterfly keyboard. > >Bryan > > I've had the problem twice, before Easyserve, and now. I put some tape on the membrane switch itself, because it wouldn't always make contact. The keyboard is actually made by I think Keytronics. It says so where the hard drive goes in, on the bottom of the keyboard (if that makes sense). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 22:03:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042484615; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:03:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10322; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:01:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10081; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10051; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts13.loop.net (p09.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.174]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA21419; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190159.SAA21419@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Annelise Anderson" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 19:02:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems with Peripherals Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:25:59 -0700 (PDT), Annelise Anderson wrote: >I'm trying to get my 701 to use a regular keyboard and mouse; I plug >them in to the attachment bar in the proper place, but still the >keyboard and mouse are the thinkpad's keyboard and the red push >thing. Is there something I have to enable to make this work? > >Annelise > > What brand of mouse and keyboard? I have sucessfully been able to get a genuine MS Mouse (original) and Cirque GlidePoint to work, as well as a Epson, Compaq (I think), and, of course, IBM PS/2 keyboards to work. BTW, the "red push thing" is formally called the TrackPoint (II on older machines, III on newer machines). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 22:09:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA043334950; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:09:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11006; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:05:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10624; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10604; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts1port25.port.net (usrts1port25.port.net [207.237.104.25]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06711; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:05:12 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "epbrown" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 560 sale Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:05:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3425dccd.150049904@mail.interport.net> References: <199709190145.SAA19731@stevie.loop.net> In-Reply-To: <199709190145.SAA19731@stevie.loop.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The refresh rate convinced me to buy a TFT. Not because of games, but because of ghosting when typing (especially when adding text in the middle of a line), trails on the mouse cursor and other effects of a slower screen refresh. I think that the screen is just about as sharp and the colors just about as good on a DSTN, but I just couldn't live with the refresh rate. On Thu, 18 Sep 97 18:47:58 , "Paul Khoury" wrote: >On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:28:27 GMT, epbrown wrote: > >> I'm thinking of buying a 560, and am wondering if anyone has >>thoughts on this model of Thinkpad, re. quality, performance, etc. I'd >>also appreciate hearing from someone with a dual scan as to how the >>display is. They seem to be all that's left below $2000, and I'm >>wondering whether to settle for one, or keep waiting; the 560e models >>may be in that range by Christmas when the Tillamook models hit the >>streets, and with a TFT MMX system I'd be happy with just 150 or >>166Mhz. >> epbrown > >Well, my first ThinkPad was a 355C, a 486SX-33 with a small, but crisp 8.4" >TFT, and it was indeed sharp, clear, and games actually were okay, like DOOM, >but worked better on an IBM CRT. I'm sure that technology has obviously improved, >but my DSTN is pretty sharp too, compared with the dual scans back then. If you >want TV and fast action games, and have the extra cash, TFT is better, but DSTN >is really just as good, but the refresh rate is slower, because on a TFT, each pixel is >controlled by its own transistor. Dual Scan is called so because the screens is like >2 sections, the top half and the bottom half, and they are both constantly being scanned. >So because it is longer to scan the whole screen, instead of lighting individual pixels, DSTN >is thus slower. Hopefully this makes sense. > >Paul > >>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:28:38 -0800, you wrote: >>>I just got this in my email today, without comment I pass it along to the list. >>>IBM Thinkpad 560 Only $1499!!! Ask for SH0852 >>>with FREE 16MB Upgrade - a $139 value >>> -Ultra Light - only 4.1 pounds >>> -Ultra Slim, only 1.2 inches thick >>> -100MHz Pentium processor >>> -24MB RAM (8MB & FREE 16MB Upgrade) >>> -810MB Hard Drive >>> -11.3-inch DSTN color display >>> -Integrated infrared >>> -Built-in 16-bit stereo audio >> >>Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, >>editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. >>http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown >>Laptop: Kiwi 680TX >> > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 22:13:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA043785180; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:13:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10784; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:05:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10510; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10469; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts13.loop.net (p09.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.174]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA21768; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190202.TAA21768@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steven Dew" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 19:05:19 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IrDA to printer? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:06:39 -0600 (MDT), Steven Dew wrote: >Hi, > >I have a 365XD and a HP Laserjet 5MP with an IrDA port. Does anyone >know how I can get the two to work together under Win95? The printer >only came with DOS and Win 3.1 software, but the HP web site implies >that IrDA support is built in under Win 95. The only requirement is >that it be IrDA 1.0 compliant. The Thinkpad manual doesn't speak of >IR printers specifically, but does say that it is IrDA compliant. > >I have enabled the IR port under Win95 as COM1 (disabling the serial >port), installed the HP 5MP printer driver under COM1, but can't print >a test page. The light on the HP receiver never blinks to indicate >a connection. There is no information from HP about serial communications >parameters - just that it is 115Kb/s capable. (The Win 95 Device Manager >doesn't indicate any conflicts.) > Hmmm...Sounds strange why it doesn't work. But have you tried http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/thinkpad and checked on Win95 drivers for IrDA? I don't think it is exactly the same as a regular serial port, but don't quote me on this. >Does anyone have any suggestions? (I won't even dream about asking >about Linux-IrDA yet!) You mean they have IrDA in LINUX?!?!? Shoot, I can't even get sound or PCMCIA in Linux. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 22:15:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA044735358; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:15:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11139; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:08:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10924; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10782; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts13.loop.net (p09.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.174]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA22037; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190205.TAA22037@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "w.t.brown" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 19:08:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problem with startup of 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:01:54 -0400, w.t.brown wrote: >I have a Thinkpad 560 with 12.1 inch active matrix screen. Sometimes on >startup it just exhibits a blank >screen with a series of slanted bars across the top like >/////////////////////////////////////////// and >an hourglass in the center. Nothing more happens and >I have to fiddle around with it and turn it off. Then >when I restart it it boots up fine. I run Windows 95, it is a pentium >120mz with 24mb ram and 810 mb hard drive. > > Weird, I have had LOTS of crashes, where I CAN'T even check the battery (Fn-F2) or BIOS (Fn-F1) with OS/2 4.0. I even had the memory recently replaced. My guess is possibly hardware, if it is intermitant like that. Try running the diagnostics on it, maybe something will turn up. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 22:39:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA047686770; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:39:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12272; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12130; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12099; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts13.loop.net (p09.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.174]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA24386; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190228.TAA24386@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "richard" Cc: "epbrown" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 19:30:53 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560 sale Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:05:11 -0400, richard wrote: >The refresh rate convinced me to buy a TFT. Not because of games, but because >of ghosting when typing (especially when adding text in the middle of a line), >trails on the mouse cursor and other effects of a slower screen refresh. I >think that the screen is just about as sharp and the colors just about as good >on a DSTN, but I just couldn't live with the refresh rate. The refresh rate isn't too bad on my 701, but it is good enough. Paul > > >On Thu, 18 Sep 97 18:47:58 , "Paul Khoury" wrote: > >>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:28:27 GMT, epbrown wrote: >> >>> I'm thinking of buying a 560, and am wondering if anyone has >>>thoughts on this model of Thinkpad, re. quality, performance, etc. I'd >>>also appreciate hearing from someone with a dual scan as to how the >>>display is. They seem to be all that's left below $2000, and I'm >>>wondering whether to settle for one, or keep waiting; the 560e models >>>may be in that range by Christmas when the Tillamook models hit the >>>streets, and with a TFT MMX system I'd be happy with just 150 or >>>166Mhz. >>> epbrown >> >>Well, my first ThinkPad was a 355C, a 486SX-33 with a small, but crisp 8.4" >>TFT, and it was indeed sharp, clear, and games actually were okay, like DOOM, >>but worked better on an IBM CRT. I'm sure that technology has obviously improved, >>but my DSTN is pretty sharp too, compared with the dual scans back then. If you >>want TV and fast action games, and have the extra cash, TFT is better, but DSTN >>is really just as good, but the refresh rate is slower, because on a TFT, each pixel is >>controlled by its own transistor. Dual Scan is called so because the screens is like >>2 sections, the top half and the bottom half, and they are both constantly being scanned. >>So because it is longer to scan the whole screen, instead of lighting individual pixels, DSTN >>is thus slower. Hopefully this makes sense. >> >>Paul >> >>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:28:38 -0800, you wrote: >>>>I just got this in my email today, without comment I pass it along to the list. >>>>IBM Thinkpad 560 Only $1499!!! Ask for SH0852 >>>>with FREE 16MB Upgrade - a $139 value >>>> -Ultra Light - only 4.1 pounds >>>> -Ultra Slim, only 1.2 inches thick >>>> -100MHz Pentium processor >>>> -24MB RAM (8MB & FREE 16MB Upgrade) >>>> -810MB Hard Drive >>>> -11.3-inch DSTN color display >>>> -Integrated infrared >>>> -Built-in 16-bit stereo audio >>> >>>Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, >>>editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. >>>http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown >>>Laptop: Kiwi 680TX >>> >> >> > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 22:45:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA048677128; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:45:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12469; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:32:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12336; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12309; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts13.loop.net (p09.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.174]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA24584 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190230.TAA24584@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 19:32:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 Sound in DOS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know how to get games to recognize the Soundblaster emulation in native DOS on a 701? I have a game that uses this type of sound, but doesn't have options to specify. I am using DOS 6.3 on a floppy, and a 40MB Logical (not primary) DOS partition with the hibernation file and some games. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 18 22:54:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA049767651; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:54:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13380; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:51:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13290; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13279; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA07291; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:53:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 Sound in DOS In-Reply-To: <199709190230.TAA24584@stevie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thursday, 18th September 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anyone know how to get games to recognize > the Soundblaster emulation in native DOS on a 701? Press Fn-F1 and go to page 3 to get your current audio settings; then set the BLASTER environment variable to match. For example, on my 701, my I/O port is 0x220, my DMA channel is 1, and my IRQ is 7, so I set the variable in AUTOEXEC.BAT as follows: SET BLASTER=A220 D1 I7 T4 One should always use T4 - it represents the sound card type. Regards, Chris. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 00:50:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA062674643; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:50:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17296; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:47:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17111; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usc.edu (usc.edu [128.125.253.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17101; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hbprft.usc.edu (hbprft.usc.edu [128.125.37.60]) by usc.edu (8.8.4/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id VAA00119 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [149.142.143.32] ([149.142.143.32]) by hbprft.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id VAA04051 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: annala@hbprft.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:51:31 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (Alexander J. Annala) Subject: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've heard that some manufacturers (e.g. Toshiba) will come out with DVD drives which fit their current and some earlier models. Will IBM release a DVD drive which will work in their old TP760? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 01:21:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066476476; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:21:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18026; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:12:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17881; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rumor.research.att.com (rumor.research.att.com [192.20.225.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17871; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com ([135.207.30.100]) by rumor; Fri Sep 19 01:10:22 EDT 1997 Received: from hermes.research.att.com ([135.207.16.38]) by research-clone; Fri Sep 19 01:10:30 EDT 1997 Received: from pcjba ([135.205.59.67]) by hermes.research.att.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA18068; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jba@research.att.com Message-Id: <34220974.432F61A9@research.att.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:11:16 -0400 From: Jont Allen Organization: AT&T Labs - Research, Florham Park NJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , Steven Dew Subject: Re: IrDA to printer? References: <199709190202.TAA21768@stevie.loop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > > >Does anyone have any suggestions? (I won't even dream about asking > >about Linux-IrDA yet!) > > You mean they have IrDA in LINUX?!?!? > > Shoot, I can't even get sound or PCMCIA in Linux. > > Paul Linux sound and PCMCIA works like a champ. There is no support at the moment for IrDA with Linux, however on my IBM560 sound, PCMCIA, APM, Suspend, Hybernation, etc all work perfectly. When in suspend mode, it comes on in less than two seconds. I get about 2.5hour battery life. I have PCMCIA cards for scsi (cdrom and JAZ), ethernet, and modem. I swapped out the 1 gig drive for a 2 gig drive. That cost a few hundred $, but was worth it. The video is a 1152 900 virtual screen with 8 virtual desktops. I have one with netscape, one for my calendar, 1 for matlab, and the rest for general fooling around. 16 bit color also works fine, but with only 1MB of video ram, you loose the virtual screen (but not the virtual desk-tops). Thus I only use 16bit color rarely. I also plug a mouse in the back, which works in parallel with the little erasure-head mouse, which gets hard on the finger after a full day. I forgot, there is one problem with APM. If you use the floppy, the suspend works one time, but after the first suspend, it fails to suspend. It is necessary to reboot to restore suspend after using the floppy. Being networked, I rarely use the floppy however. Jont -- ==> NOTE NEW ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER: Jont B. Allen, Room B009; 973(or 201)/360-8545voice, x8092fax; http://www.research.att.com/~jba; AT&T Labs-Research 180 Park AV; PO Box 971; Florham Park NJ 07932-0971 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 01:21:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066526480; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:21:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18282; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:19:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18171; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18161; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (p09.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.174]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA10418 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190517.WAA10418@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 22:19:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Cheap Small HD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anybody know where I can get a cheap 340MB drive for a 701, preferably with caddy, for < $80? I need it for Linux, but don't know who would carry a drive that low. Thanks. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 03:26:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079713999; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:26:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22190; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:24:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22102; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22092; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA03964; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Problems with Peripherals In-Reply-To: <199709190159.SAA21419@stevie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:25:59 -0700 (PDT), Annelise Anderson wrote: > > >I'm trying to get my 701 to use a regular keyboard and mouse; I plug > >them in to the attachment bar in the proper place, but still the > >keyboard and mouse are the thinkpad's keyboard and the red push > >thing. Is there something I have to enable to make this work? > > > >Annelise > > > > > What brand of mouse and keyboard? I have sucessfully been able > to get a genuine MS Mouse (original) and Cirque GlidePoint to work, as well > as a Epson, Compaq (I think), and, of course, IBM PS/2 keyboards to work. > > BTW, the "red push thing" is formally called the TrackPoint (II on older machines, > III on newer machines). > > Paul The mouse is a genuine microsoft mouse, and the keyboard is an IBM keyboard....only the video port seems to work. (It's a TrackPoint III, and the attachment bar is formally called a Multiport.) Still, the mouse and keyboard do not work. :( Annelise From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 04:58:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087619529; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:58:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25626; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:56:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25523; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25513; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA13100; Thu, 18 Sep 97 22:56:45 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA00470; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:57:12 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709190857.WAA00470@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: RE: IrDA to printer? To: axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Axel Hartmann) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 22:57:12 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Steven, Dew'"@math.hawaii.edu, steven.dew@ualberta.ca In-Reply-To: <01BCC457.83370070@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; from "Axel Hartmann" at Sep 18, 97 5:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > it is still quite amazing - beam and that's it. It is at least > as fast as with a normal parallel cable. SHould be much slower,if the spec is to be believed. On the other hand, I've never made a successful IR to IR link, so can't say from personal experience. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 07:10:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA098997444; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:10:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05272; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:08:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05164; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.gte.net (smtp.gte.net [207.115.153.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05154; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from g543hsk42012 (1Cust85.max5.hartford.ct.ms.uu.net [153.34.32.85]) by smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id GAA20143 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:09:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970919070751.00694a04@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: wtbrown@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:07:51 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "w.t.brown" Subject: Infrared Ports for file transfers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 560, pentium 120mz, 24 mb ram. I normally use a serial cable to copy files back and forth to my desktop, at a speed of 115kps. I was thinking of buying a jeteye for my desktop to use with the infrared port on my 560 to copy files. However, Mobile Computing magazine said their test of infrared ports showed they effectively only operate at the very slow speed of about 75kps, way too slow. Has anyone any experience with using infrared ports to copy large files to a desktop? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 08:17:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106151426; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:17:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07741; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:13:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07441; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from polytechnique.polytechnique.fr (root@polytechnique.polytechnique.fr [129.104.30.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07419; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alger.seriat.fr ([192.70.119.1]) by polytechnique.polytechnique.fr (z.y.z/x.y.z) with ESMTP id OAA03170; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:17:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cairo.seriat.fr (mentre@cairo.seriat.fr [192.70.119.12]) by alger.seriat.fr (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23135; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:13:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from mentre@localhost) by cairo.seriat.fr (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA18960; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:16:45 +0200 To: Jont Allen Cc: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List , Steven Dew Subject: Re: IrDA to printer? References: <199709190202.TAA21768@stevie.loop.net> <34220974.432F61A9@research.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.95) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: David.Mentre@seriat.fr (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mentr=E9?=) Date: 19 Sep 1997 14:16:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jont Allen's message of "Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:11:16 -0400" Message-Id: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.65/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jont Allen writes: > There is no support at the moment for IrDA with Linux, however I've heard (on linux-kernel mailing list maybe) that the IrDA port works for data transfert like a modem port (need to use a transfert file program like kermit). In fact, it should be possible because a COMn: port is assigned with the Win95 ThinkPad panel. And therefore, it _should_ work with a printer. However, I haven't test it (as I have only one IrDA device ;) Hope it helps, d. --=20 David Mentr=E9 / CERSIAT-BAE / Sys admin Linux on TP 365XD: http://www.seriat.fr/~mentre/365xd/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 10:37:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132139862; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:37:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16855; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:34:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16566; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rumor.research.att.com (rumor.research.att.com [192.20.225.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16521; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com ([135.207.30.100]) by rumor; Fri Sep 19 10:31:25 EDT 1997 Received: from hermes.research.att.com ([135.207.16.38]) by research-clone; Fri Sep 19 10:30:43 EDT 1997 Received: from pcjba ([135.205.59.68]) by hermes.research.att.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24433; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jba@research.att.com Message-Id: <34228CBD.1188EDBD@research.att.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:31:25 -0400 From: Jont Allen Organization: AT&T Labs - Research, Florham Park NJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: David =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mentr=E9?= Cc: linux-laptop@ver.rutgers.edu, ThinkPad List , Steven Dew Subject: Re: IrDA to printer? References: <199709190202.TAA21768@stevie.loop.net> <34220974.432F61A9@research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David Mentr=E9 wrote: > = > Jont Allen writes: > = > > There is no support at the moment for IrDA with Linux, however > = > I've heard (on linux-kernel mailing list maybe) that the IrDA port > works for data transfert like a modem port (need to use a transfert > file program like kermit). In fact, it should be possible because a > COMn: port is assigned with the Win95 ThinkPad panel. > = > And therefore, it _should_ work with a printer. > = > However, I haven't test it (as I have only one IrDA device ;) > = > Hope it helps, > d. > -- > David Mentr=E9 / CERSIAT-BAE / Sys admin > Linux on TP 365XD: http://www.seriat.fr/~mentre/365xd/ I have the IrDA printer, and I guess I could try it. But not for a week. Maybe I could do it. What would I do, just try to turn on the port as a com port? Maybe through the ps2.exe command? This conversation is on the wrong list. We should be having this discussion on linux-laptop. I will forward to that list. Jont -- = =3D=3D> NOTE NEW ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER: Jont B. Allen, Room B009; 973(or 201)/360-8545voice, x8092fax; http://www.research.att.com/~jba; AT&T Labs-Research 180 Park AV; PO Box 971; Florham Park NJ 07932-0971 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 10:44:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA133330240; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:44:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17410; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:40:33 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17198; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id KAA04606; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14593; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-15.usc.edu [128.125.224.15]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id HAA08331; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970919072550.010e3d64@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:25:56 -0700 To: "w.t.brown" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Infrared Ports for file transfers Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:07 AM 9/19/97 -0400, w.t.brown wrote: >I have a Thinkpad 560, pentium 120mz, 24 mb ram. I normally use a serial >cable to copy files back and forth to my desktop, at a speed of 115kps. I >was thinking of buying a jeteye for my desktop to use with >the infrared port on my 560 to copy files. However, Mobile Computing >magazine said their test of infrared >ports showed they effectively only operate at the very slow speed of about >75kps, way too slow. > >Has anyone any experience with using infrared ports to copy large files to >a desktop? I've used the IR port on my 560 to communicate with my HP 200LX (file transfers). Problem? Too blasted slow. Inevitably, I prefer to hook up by cable. But then again I'm not fond of parallel connections either--I have a small ethernet setup that I hook into and transfer files lickety-split. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 10:52:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135170754; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:52:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18113; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:48:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17883; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17873; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edson.ee.ualberta.ca (sdew@edson.ee.ualberta.ca [129.128.16.1]) by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA40824; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:48:07 -0600 Received: by edson.ee.ualberta.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08954; Fri, 19 Sep 97 08:49:05 MDT From: steven.dew@ualberta.ca (Steven Dew) Message-Id: <9709191449.AA08954@edson.ee.ualberta.ca> Subject: Re: IrDA to printer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I wrote: > I have a 365XD and a HP Laserjet 5MP with an IrDA port. Does anyone > know how I can get the two to work together under Win95? The printer As Axel explained, this was quite easy to do once I had the latest driver >from the Microsoft web site. (You need W95IR.EXE which is V2.0 of the IrDA driver) While I haven't thoroughly tested it or benchmarked it, it did spit out a MS Word document about as quickly as I would expect from a parallel connection. I expect it would bog down a bit on a really big file, though. Thanks for all the help!! Steve sdew@ee.ualberta.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 12:03:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147674980; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:03:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23657; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:58:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23509; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23489; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11155 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29471; Fri, 19 Sep 97 12:05:42 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA11487 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:05:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:05:53 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Infrared Ports for file transfers In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970919070751.00694a04@mail.gte.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, w.t.brown wrote: > I have a Thinkpad 560, pentium 120mz, 24 mb ram. I normally use a serial > cable to copy files back and forth to my desktop, at a speed of 115kps. I > was thinking of buying a jeteye for my desktop to use with > the infrared port on my 560 to copy files. However, Mobile Computing > magazine said their test of infrared > ports showed they effectively only operate at the very slow speed of about > 75kps, way too slow. > > Has anyone any experience with using infrared ports to copy large files to > a desktop? I played around with the IR on my 701 for a bit. I used a JetEye on a desktop. Putting the JetEye right next to the 701's IR port, *sometimes* I could transmit at 115kbps. Most of the time I had to drop down to 56kbps. At a separation of about 3m the 56kbps connection started to become iffy. I didn't try file transfers with this setup unfortunately, I just tested when typed characters started to drop. I don't know if this is a problem with the 701's IR port, the JetEye, or IR ports in general. To my HP200LX, I can only transfer at around 28.8kbps. Sometimes it'll go faster but the overall transfer rate seems to be 2.5-3.0 k/sec. If I connect directly via a serial cable I can get the full 115kbps. Again, I don't know if this is a problem with the 701's IR port, the 200LX's IR port, or IR ports in general. It hasn't been a problem because if I really need speed, I'll just pop the flash card from the 200LX to the 701 and write the data directly. For transferring data to a printer, a parallel connection is *much* faster than IR (or serial for that matter). Roughly 10 times faster. However, compared to how much time it takes me to dig up the parallel cable and 701 adapter, pop open the side, and plug it in, it's sometimes faster just to set the 701 down in front of the printer and print via IR. The speed should improve with the new IR spec, which is supposed to go up to 4Mbps. Unfortunately, that requires new hardware. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 12:53:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA155527989; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:53:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27246; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:48:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26990; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26973; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA10845; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:49:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:49:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: Mike Ford Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: 560 sale Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu www.cdw.com has this special: IBM ThinkPad 380 This hot 150MHz Pentium notebook with 1.08GB hard drive and 12.1-inch display is available at a new low price! $1,669.46 So it's got 150MHz instead of 100, 1080MB instead of 810 and 12.1" instead of 11.3 and it's $170 more and still below $2000. I expect it will be a bit larger. It has a DSTN, not active matrix screen. Infrared and 16MB RAM are standard (not 24). I'm not saying this is better, but looking won't hurt. "He's even got a twin like me." -- They Might Be Giants, My Evil Twin Chris Schumann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 13:20:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159309656; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:20:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24225; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:08:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24110; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24086; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12638; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29586; Fri, 19 Sep 97 12:15:25 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA11541; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:15:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:15:29 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Jont Allen Cc: linux-laptop@ver.rutgers.edu, ThinkPad List Subject: Re: IrDA to printer? In-Reply-To: <34228CBD.1188EDBD@research.att.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Jont Allen wrote: > David Mentr=E9 wrote: > > Jont Allen writes: > >=20 > > > There is no support at the moment for IrDA with Linux, however > >=20 > > I've heard (on linux-kernel mailing list maybe) that the IrDA port > > works for data transfert like a modem port (need to use a transfert > > file program like kermit). In fact, it should be possible because a > > COMn: port is assigned with the Win95 ThinkPad panel. > >=20 > > And therefore, it _should_ work with a printer. I have no problems using my TP701's IR port with other IR devices as a null modem connection under Linux. I fire up minicom and it doesn't know the difference between the IR port and the modem port. As I understand it, IrDA is just an error detection/correction protocol for IR connections. If you have two IR devices, they can talk to each other just fine without IrDA. They'll see each other as serial ports and it'll be like a null-modem cable connection (vulnerable to noise). This is fine for file transfers (since protocols like zmodem have their own error detection and correction), but might not be enough for sending data to a printer (where a single bit error can cause the printer to spit out 30 pages of postscript garbage). -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 13:26:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160129967; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:26:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29059; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:14:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28863; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fred.ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (n136en3.enr.gov.ab.ca [199.214.136.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28844; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:13:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from energy.enr.gov.ab.ca by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #8429) id <01INTPCGBE1S8Y7846@ags.enr.gov.ab.ca>; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:13:02 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:13:02 -0700 (MST) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca Subject: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? -Reply To: merlin@neuro.usc.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <3422B0AC.7712.0953.000@energy.enr.gov.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: 09/19/1997 11:04 am (Friday) From: Grant Hilsenteger To: energy.smtpgw("thinkpad@cs.utk.edu"), energy.smtpgw("merlin@neuro.usc.edu") Subject: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? -Reply I heard recently that there is a standards war brewing over DVD, and that holding off on a DVD drive purchase may be a wise idea. Anyone have any news about this? >>> energy.smtpgw."merlin@neuro.usc.edu" 09/18/97 11:51pm >>> I've heard that some manufacturers (e.g. Toshiba) will come out with DVD drives which fit their current and some earlier models. Will IBM release a DVD drive which will work in their old TP760? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 14:02:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165182157; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:02:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01400; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:54:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01281; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01262; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:54:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 422bb4d0; Fri, 19 Sep 97 13:50:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:50:09 -0400 Message-Id: <422bb4d0@doblegate.doble.com> To: merlin@neuro.usc.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Subject: Re: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? -Reply Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.874691405" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.874691405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I heard recently that there is a standards war brewing over DVD, and that holding off on a DVD drive purchase may be a wise idea. Anyone have any news about this? Hello, The standards war is mainly on the video disk usage. Several major studios want a variation of DVD to release movies. It is to replace video tape rental. You would go to the video store and pay for a disk that would allow you 48 hours of viewing. You can call up and pay more money to view it for another 48 hours, The disk is encrypted and keyed to the player it is first played on so you cannot resell it. Another neat item to fill up the landfills slightly faster. So it you want a DVD for movie playback then I would possibly wait, although there are movies out on DVD. For use as a data drive it is not a problem. It will be interesting to see if someone develops an inexpensive MPEG-2 encoder chipset soon so people could record video on DVD. I noticed MPEG-2 decoders are getting cheap. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com --IMA.Boundary.874691405-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 18:01:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202956473; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:01:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14187; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:50:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13828; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.219]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13737; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (root@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com [15.62.120.180]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id OAA28435 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpbs2240 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hpbs2240.boi.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3) id PAA19081 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Sender: deanc@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com Message-Id: <3422F241.6147@boi.hp.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:44:33 -0600 From: Dean Cashen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 sale References: <199709190145.SAA19731@stevie.loop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:28:27 GMT, epbrown wrote: > > > I'm thinking of buying a 560, and am wondering if anyone has > >thoughts on this model of Thinkpad, re. quality, performance, etc. I'd > >also appreciate hearing from someone with a dual scan as to how the > >display is. They seem to be all that's left below $2000, and I'm > >wondering whether to settle for one, or keep waiting; the 560e models > >may be in that range by Christmas when the Tillamook models hit the > >streets, and with a TFT MMX system I'd be happy with just 150 or > >166Mhz. > > epbrown > > Well, my first ThinkPad was a 355C, a 486SX-33 with a small, but crisp 8.4" > TFT, and it was indeed sharp, clear, and games actually were okay, like DOOM, > but worked better on an IBM CRT. I'm sure that technology has obviously improved, > but my DSTN is pretty sharp too, compared with the dual scans back then. If you > want TV and fast action games, and have the extra cash, TFT is better, but DSTN > is really just as good, but the refresh rate is slower, because on a TFT, each pixel is > controlled by its own transistor. Dual Scan is called so because the screens is like > 2 sections, the top half and the bottom half, and they are both constantly being scanned. > So because it is longer to scan the whole screen, instead of lighting individual pixels, DSTN > is thus slower. Hopefully this makes sense. Yes, it does. On the other hand, I own a 760CD (active matrix) and I love the TFT screen, but it has one drawback that, on occasion bothers me. My previous laptops had dual-scan screens, and I could use them in public without undue attention. The big TFT screen on the Thinkpad seems to draw people over to comment on it (especially if I'm using it, as I like to, at a dimly-lit restaurant). And, when I'm flying, anyone sitting next to me can easily read the screen because of the wide viewing angle that active matrix provides. With my previous dual- scan screens I never noticed anyone "peeking" over at my computer or commenting on what I was doing (or playing) on it. But the Thinkpad's screen is easy to read at an angle, and it actually keeps me from doing any company sensitive work on the plane. Small nit-pick, I know. But the dual scan screens do offer a degree of privacy that you lose with TFT. But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I wish my Thinkpad had a dual-scan screen instead. I'm a fan of big, bright screens, and the other benefits of TFT such as fast response are worth the slight loss of privacy. Regards, Dean _____________________________________________________________________________ Dean Cashen, Software Development Engineer phone: (T/208) 396-3635 Hewlett-Packard, Enterprise Storage Solutions Div. fax: (T/208) 396-5117 11413 Chinden Blvd., MS 830 Boise, ID, USA 83714-0123 email: deanc@boi.hp.com -- Speaking only for myself -- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 19 18:08:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204166916; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:08:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14758; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:06:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14672; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14661; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA15198; Fri, 19 Sep 97 12:06:43 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA02105; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:07:12 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709192207.MAA02105@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 560 sale To: deanc@boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 12:07:11 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3422F241.6147@boi.hp.com>; from "Dean Cashen" at Sep 19, 97 3:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > it, as I like to, at a dimly-lit restaurant). And, when I'm flying, > anyone sitting next to me can easily read the screen because of the > wide viewing angle that active matrix provides. With my previous dual- > scan screens I never noticed anyone "peeking" over at my computer or > commenting on what I was doing (or playing) on it. But the Thinkpad's > screen is easy to read at an angle, and it actually keeps me from doing > any company sensitive work on the plane. Well, forget using the 560 on most planes anyway; if the person in front of you has the seat tilted back into your lap, the 560 won't open wide enough to be useful, unless you hold it in you lap or well forward on the tray table. This is a huge advantage of the 701, which can be used in very cramped situations. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 20 00:58:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254831516; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:58:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25184; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:56:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24899; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24889; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts09.loop.net (p03.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.48]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA20017; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709200452.VAA20017@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dean Cashen" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 20:20:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560 sale Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:44:33 -0600, Dean Cashen wrote: >Paul Khoury wrote: >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:28:27 GMT, epbrown wrote: >> >> > I'm thinking of buying a 560, and am wondering if anyone has >> >thoughts on this model of Thinkpad, re. quality, performance, etc. I'd >> >also appreciate hearing from someone with a dual scan as to how the >> >display is. They seem to be all that's left below $2000, and I'm >> >wondering whether to settle for one, or keep waiting; the 560e models >> >may be in that range by Christmas when the Tillamook models hit the >> >streets, and with a TFT MMX system I'd be happy with just 150 or >> >166Mhz. >> > epbrown >> >> Well, my first ThinkPad was a 355C, a 486SX-33 with a small, but crisp 8.4" >> TFT, and it was indeed sharp, clear, and games actually were okay, like DOOM, >> but worked better on an IBM CRT. I'm sure that technology has obviously improved, >> but my DSTN is pretty sharp too, compared with the dual scans back then. If you >> want TV and fast action games, and have the extra cash, TFT is better, but DSTN >> is really just as good, but the refresh rate is slower, because on a TFT, each pixel is >> controlled by its own transistor. Dual Scan is called so because the screens is like >> 2 sections, the top half and the bottom half, and they are both constantly being scanned. >> So because it is longer to scan the whole screen, instead of lighting individual pixels, DSTN >> is thus slower. Hopefully this makes sense. > > >Yes, it does. On the other hand, I own a 760CD (active matrix) and I >love >the TFT screen, but it has one drawback that, on occasion bothers me. > >My previous laptops had dual-scan screens, and I could use them in >public without undue attention. The big TFT screen on the Thinkpad >seems to draw people over to comment on it (especially if I'm using >it, as I like to, at a dimly-lit restaurant). And, when I'm flying, >anyone sitting next to me can easily read the screen because of the >wide viewing angle that active matrix provides. With my previous dual- >scan screens I never noticed anyone "peeking" over at my computer or >commenting on what I was doing (or playing) on it. But the Thinkpad's >screen is easy to read at an angle, and it actually keeps me from doing >any company sensitive work on the plane. > >Small nit-pick, I know. But the dual scan screens do offer a >degree of privacy that you lose with TFT. But don't get me wrong, >I'm not saying I wish my Thinkpad had a dual-scan screen instead. >I'm a fan of big, bright screens, and the other benefits of TFT >such as fast response are worth the slight loss of privacy. > >Regards, > >Dean >_____________________________________________________________________________ I understand what you mean. I'm sure everyone on this list can relate to the DSNT or TFT issues. But fortunately, when I'm doing homework, or more importantly, stuff which I don't want anyone to bother me about, DSTN is nice because they then ask why the screen is off, and I'm still using the machine. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 20 00:59:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254881545; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:59:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25062; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:54:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24821; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24811; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts09.loop.net (p03.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.48]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA20011 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709200452.VAA20011@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 20:14:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Plotters and 701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hopefully this isn't too off topic, but does anyone know if the 701 can print graphics or standard text with a plotter, particulary a Roland DG DXY-980 plotter? It's to test it out for school, and my 701 is my main computer currently. And, of course, I am running OS/2. TIA. Paul From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 20 01:23:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259333010; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:23:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25245; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:56:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24948; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24932; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts09.loop.net (p03.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.48]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA20063; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709200453.VAA20063@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Axel Hartmann" , "David Ross" Cc: "steven.dew@ualberta.ca" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 21:57:10 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: IrDA to printer? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Sep 97 22:57:12 HST, David Ross wrote: >> it is still quite amazing - beam and that's it. It is at least >> as fast as with a normal parallel cable. > >SHould be much slower,if the spec is to be believed. On the other hand, >I've never made a successful IR to IR link, so can't say from personal >experience. > >- David > > I like parallel better, especially when you can nearly compare a parallel 115Kbps transfer to an ISDN line with overhead (or is parallel faster?). I think it would also be nice to have a networking protocol for 2 machines using parallel, so you could also connect in Unix, OS/2 and NT. BTW, since it has beem discussed that IrDA is the same as regular null-modem connections, maybe it can work in Linux. Maybe. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 20 08:42:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030869332; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:42:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10111; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:39:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10007; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09997; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18378; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:05:46 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) id UAA00804; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:05:45 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:05:39 +1000 (EST) To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Plotters and 701 In-Reply-To: <199709200452.VAA20011@ritchie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Hopefully this isn't too off topic, but does anyone know if the > 701 can print graphics or standard text with a plotter, particulary > a Roland DG DXY-980 plotter? It's to test it out for school, > and my 701 is my main computer currently. And, of course, > I am running OS/2. TIA. > it is not a matter of computers or os's; it is a matter of software drivers. if you have the driver for the software to tell the plotter what to do, you're set. i have no problem using my 760 to plot to hp plotters; i have gotten drivers for other plotters from time to time ... regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 08:14:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039434044; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:14:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15202; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:09:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15032; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15022; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.70.19.24]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA27168 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:09:07 +0000 From: "Mik Tip" To: "thinkpad" Subject: New Lister Intro Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 07:09:23 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCC65D.49B220C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970921120906.AAA27168@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC65D.49B220C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello ThinkPad Listers! 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------=_NextPart_000_01BCC65D.49B220C0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 09:52:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA062739943; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:52:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18488; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18139; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.gte.net (smtp.gte.net [207.115.153.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18128; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from g543hsk42012 (1Cust109.max9.hartford.ct.ms.uu.net [153.34.34.109]) by smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id IAA21432 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:46:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970921094610.006923c8@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: wtbrown@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:46:10 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "w.t.brown" Subject: Problem with startup of 560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 560 with 12.1 inch active matrix screen. Sometimes on startup it just exhibits a blank screen with a series of slanted bars across the top like /////////////////////////////////////////// and an hourglass in the center. Nothing more happens and I have to fiddle around with it and turn it off. Then when I restart it it boots up fine. I run Windows 95, it is a pentium 120mz with 24mb ram and 810 mb hard drive. What does this mean and how should I fix it? Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 09:54:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA063240067; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:54:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18622; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:47:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18204; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.gte.net (smtp.gte.net [207.115.153.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18189; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from g543hsk42012 (1Cust109.max9.hartford.ct.ms.uu.net [153.34.34.109]) by smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id IAA21513 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:47:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970921094639.00692980@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: wtbrown@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:46:39 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "w.t.brown" Subject: Infrared Ports for file transfers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 560, pentium 120mz, 24 mb ram. I normally use a serial cable to copy files back and forth to my desktop, at a speed of 115kps. I was thinking of buying a jeteye for my desktop to use with the infrared port on my 560 to copy files. However, Mobile Computing magazine said their test of infrared ports showed they effectively only operate at the very slow speed of about 75kps, way too slow. Has anyone any experience with using infrared ports to copy large files to a desktop? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 10:15:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA069061336; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:15:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20734; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:11:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20661; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20647; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.70.20.125]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA12008 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:10:26 +0000 From: "Mik Tip" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Zip for ThinkPad's Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:10:41 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCC66E.3C3771A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970921141025.AAA12008@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC66E.3C3771A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know when IBM plans to introduce the internal "zip" drive for the ThinkPad? I've seen several posts already on other areas of the net, but no 'definite' answers. Anyone have the "Shark" system? I've contemplated just running an external 3.5 gig hard drive, via parallel port. Anyone doing so already? Mik ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC66E.3C3771A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Anyone know when IBM plans to introduce = the internal "zip"

drive for the ThinkPad?

I've = seen several posts already on other areas of the net, but no 'definite' = answers.

Anyone have the "Shark" system?

I've = contemplated just running an external 3.5 gig hard drive, via parallel = port.  Anyone doing so already?

=             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;          Mik

------=_NextPart_000_01BCC66E.3C3771A0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 10:57:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078903862; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:57:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23617; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:55:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23436; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23395; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts14.loop.net (p25.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.220]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA09283; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 07:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709211454.HAA09283@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mik Tip" , "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 07:55:54 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Zip for ThinkPad's Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:10:41 -0500, Mik Tip wrote: >Anyone know when IBM plans to introduce the internal "zip" > >drive for the ThinkPad? > >I've seen several posts already on other areas of the net, but no >'definite' answers. > >Anyone have the "Shark" system? > >I've contemplated just running an external 3.5 gig hard drive, via parallel >port. Anyone doing so already? And for anyone who is doing that, or running other parallel port devices, are they really slow? I would only expect 8-bit speed, as the parallel port is only 8 bit anyways. Also, does anyone know if these devices are compatible with higher end OSes such as OS/2 and various unixes? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 10:59:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079913994; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:59:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23819; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:57:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23639; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23629; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts14.loop.net (p25.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.220]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA09405 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 07:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709211457.HAA09405@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 07:58:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PCMCIA Hard Drive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone seen the 40 MB Western Digital PCMCIA hard drive >from Surplus Direct, or own this or a compatible card? I am running out of space, and need more storage method ideas, as my 5MB flash gets filled up quickly also. As for OSes, right now I only need OS/2 support, in the future, possibly Linux support also. TIA for any suggestions. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 11:19:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084345151; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:19:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25752; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:15:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25589; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25579; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23550 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1997 15:15:29 -0000 Received: from hezron-34.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.164) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1997 15:15:29 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Zip for ThinkPad's Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:14:47 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <342552cd.643261@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199709211454.HAA09283@stevie.loop.net> In-Reply-To: <199709211454.HAA09283@stevie.loop.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 97 07:55:54 , you wrote: >On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:10:41 -0500, Mik Tip wrote: >>Anyone know when IBM plans to introduce the internal "zip" >>drive for the ThinkPad? >> >>I've seen several posts already on other areas of the net, but no >>'definite' answers. >> >>Anyone have the "Shark" system? >> >>I've contemplated just running an external 3.5 gig hard drive, via = parallel >>port. Anyone doing so already? > >And for anyone who is doing that, or running other parallel port >devices, are they really slow? I would only expect 8-bit speed, as >the parallel port is only 8 bit anyways. > >Also, does anyone know if these devices are compatible with higher >end OSes such as OS/2 and various unixes? Can't help with the Unix and OS/2 questions, but I've done almost all of these. I'm currently running the original 85MB drive from an IBM 500 externally using a parallel port connector. The transfer rate is pretty slow, but I've never clocked it. I can tell its slow only in comparison to my internal drive and my pc card hard drive. My PCMCIA drive is a Maxtor MobileMax 131MB drive double spaced to 250MB. This performs as fast as any laptop internal drive, though it's a 5v device and is supposedly not supported on newer machines (though what that means exactly, I haven't heard yet). It does drain the battery, but for someone with no desktops and more than one laptop, it's the optimal system for large amounts of data. Mine currently has every directory on my Kiwi's drive except /windows, with the original .zip file of every app I've ever downloaded off the net (just in case). They are the smallest, most rugged way to carry a few hundred megabytes of data around, bar none. I'd love to have the cash to shell out for a 540 model and double space it to a GB, just to have a GB in my pocket! And programs run off a pc card drive run as quickly as the ones from your main drive (I run DOOM from it). The Shark I tried out worked fine, kinda slow, but I had the same problem as with Zip drives and EZ drives, it's another darn thing to carry and not a particularly small one at that.=20 I hadn't even heard rumors that IBM was making an internal Zip bay, though the 770 is supposed to get a DVD drive. Check the mags for CNF, they made a Zip drive that will work in a Compaq's CD-ROM bay and are supposedly working on other maker's designs as well. For a while there I was hoping they'd make one for Kiwis, to save the hassle of buying the 2nd hard drive bay (ok, it's only $30) and installing another drive in my CD-ROM's bay. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 Laptop: Kiwi 680TX From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 13:52:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125484344; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:52:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29561; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:46:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29444; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29433; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts16.loop.net (p17.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.32]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA19614; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709211745.KAA19614@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "epbrown" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 10:46:19 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Zip for ThinkPad's Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:14:47 GMT, epbrown wrote: >On Sun, 21 Sep 97 07:55:54 , you wrote: >>On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:10:41 -0500, Mik Tip wrote: >>>Anyone know when IBM plans to introduce the internal "zip" >>>drive for the ThinkPad? >>> >>>I've seen several posts already on other areas of the net, but no >>>'definite' answers. >>> >>>Anyone have the "Shark" system? >>> >>>I've contemplated just running an external 3.5 gig hard drive, via parallel >>>port. Anyone doing so already? >> >>And for anyone who is doing that, or running other parallel port >>devices, are they really slow? I would only expect 8-bit speed, as >>the parallel port is only 8 bit anyways. >> >>Also, does anyone know if these devices are compatible with higher >>end OSes such as OS/2 and various unixes? > Can't help with the Unix and OS/2 questions, but I've done almost >all of these. I'm currently running the original 85MB drive from an >IBM 500 externally using a parallel port connector. The transfer rate >is pretty slow, but I've never clocked it. I can tell its slow only in >comparison to my internal drive and my pc card hard drive. > My PCMCIA drive is a Maxtor MobileMax 131MB drive double spaced to >250MB. Isn't compression a hassle, and also slows down the performance? Also, does anyone here (besides myself) use an ATA Flash RAM card for use as extra storage? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 14:13:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130575595; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:13:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00440; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:09:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00322; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkusua.hku.hk (hkusua.hku.hk [147.8.2.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00311; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hkusua.hku.hk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA14573; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:10:35 +0800 From: lauck@hkusua.hku.hk (Johnny Lau EEE) Message-Id: <199709211810.CAA14573@hkusua.hku.hk> Subject: new comer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:10:35 +0800 (HKT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am Johnny, a new comer to the list from Hong Kong. I own a TP365XD P120 with 40MB RAM and I used it in writing up my Ph.D. thesis. -- Johnny Lau :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Permanent email address: cklau@usa.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet :cklau@eee.hku.hk | :cklau@indy41.eee.hku.hk | A MP2000 Newtonian :h8900006@hkusua.hku.hk | :h8900006@hkucc.hku.hk | Dept. of Electrical & Electronic Local BBS:Johnny Lau | Engineering URL http://www.eee.hku.hk/~cklau | The University of Hong Kong -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- printed with 100% recycled electrons ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 14:36:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136946985; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:36:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01059; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:32:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00950; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00931; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.70.19.252]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA6728; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:31:51 +0000 From: "Mik Tip" To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: PCMCIA Hard Drive Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:31:56 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCC692.BB294460" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970921183149.AAA6728@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC692.BB294460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen 170MB PCMCIA hard drive's! But at over $300 each their quite "pricey"! I've opted for an external 3.5 gig hard drive connected up with an external kit to my parallel port! At $400, it's a much more "economical" option! Mik > From: Paul Khoury > Subject: PCMCIA Hard Drive > Date: Sunday, September 21, 1997 2:58 AM > > Has anyone seen the 40 MB Western Digital PCMCIA hard drive > from Surplus Direct, or own this or a compatible card? I am running > out of space, and need more storage method ideas, as my 5MB flash > gets filled up quickly also. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC692.BB294460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've seen 170MB PCMCIA hard = drive's!
But at over $300 each their quite = "pricey"!

I've opted for an external 3.5 gig hard = drive
connected up with an external kit to my parallel port!
At = $400, it's a much more "economical" option!

=             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;          Mik
> From: Paul Khoury
> Subject: PCMCIA Hard Drive
> = Date: Sunday, September 21, 1997 2:58 AM
>
> Has anyone = seen the 40 MB Western Digital PCMCIA hard drive
> from Surplus = Direct, or own this or a compatible card?  I am running
> =  out of space, and need more storage method ideas, as my 5MB = flash
> gets filled up quickly also.  

------=_NextPart_000_01BCC692.BB294460-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 15:03:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144268588; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:03:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01806; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:59:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01700; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.nwnexus.com (smtp2.nwnexus.com [198.137.231.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01689; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtv-pm0-ip7.halcyon.com (mtv-pm0-ip7.halcyon.com [204.57.234.7]) by smtp2.nwnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17567 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:59:10 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:59:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19970921115906.6f3f5784@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: simonis@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Simonis Subject: Hinges Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I'm thinking about getting a TP 560 but have heard that many people have problems with the hinges breaking or rapidly wearing out. I was just wondering if this is in fact a major problem for many owners and if so, is there anything that can be done to avoid the problem. Steve Simonis simonis@halcyon.com yemia_simonis@halcyon.com Guemes Island, WA USA Fight Spam at http://www.cauce.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 15:21:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148969681; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:21:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02825; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:19:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02730; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02720; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts16.loop.net (p17.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.32]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27121; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709211918.MAA27121@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Simonis" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 12:19:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hinges Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:59:10 -0700, Steve Simonis wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm thinking about getting a TP 560 but have heard that many people have >problems with the hinges breaking or rapidly wearing out. > >I was just wondering if this is in fact a major problem for many owners and >if so, is there anything that can be done to avoid the problem. > >Steve Simonis > > >simonis@halcyon.com >yemia_simonis@halcyon.com >Guemes Island, WA USA >Fight Spam at http://www.cauce.org > Well, you could either never open or close your display once you get it, close it slowly, or if it breaks, hope EZServ doesn't give you a hassle. I don't have a 560, but I do have a 701cs, and that was one of the primary reasons it went in. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 15:34:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152650493; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:34:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02253; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:06:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02132; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.95]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02121; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA01217 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970921150403_1763953389@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 2 pixels constantly lit on monitor Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 365 XD. As long as I have had it, about 6 months, ther ehave always been a blue and a red pixel always lit when the computer is on. They appear in the bottom left of the active matrix screen, but are nto right next to one another. If I send this into Easyserv for this purpose, will I get another monitor?? John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 15:35:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152920544; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:35:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02091; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:04:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02018; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02008; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts2port35.port.net (usrts2port35.port.net [207.237.104.99]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18313; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:04:14 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "Mik Tip" Cc: "Paul Khoury" , "thinkpad" Subject: Re: PCMCIA Hard Drive Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:04:16 -0400 Message-Id: <342c6f94.47069862@mail.interport.net> References: <19970921183149.AAA6728@default> In-Reply-To: <19970921183149.AAA6728@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:31:56 -0500, "Mik Tip" wrote: >I've seen 170MB PCMCIA hard drive's! >But at over $300 each their quite "pricey"! > >I've opted for an external 3.5 gig hard drive >connected up with an external kit to my parallel port! >At $400, it's a much more "economical" option! What did you use as an external kit? Pricing? Where did you buy? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 15:48:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156141291; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:48:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03843; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:40:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03762; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03747; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27516 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1997 19:40:42 -0000 Received: from hezron-27.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.157) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1997 19:40:42 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Zip for ThinkPad's Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:40:00 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <342692a8.7917049@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199709211745.KAA19614@stevie.loop.net> In-Reply-To: <199709211745.KAA19614@stevie.loop.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 97 10:46:19 , you wrote: I wrote: >> My PCMCIA drive is a Maxtor MobileMax 131MB drive double spaced to >>250MB. >Isn't compression a hassle, and also slows down the performance? >Also, does anyone here (besides myself) use an ATA Flash RAM card >for use as extra storage? Actually, I've never been able to detect a drop in performance using compression. I think part of this is because the platters are so small, so there's not a lot of seek time and such. Btw, there are 131MB MobileMaxs like mine posted on the net for $50-100USD, and there's someone auctioning some off on an auction site (that "ebay" one, I've only stopped by once so don't have it marked) with a starting bid of $50. As for external kits, when I shopped around for one, the best I could find was $100 (MegaHaus). Not bad, but when you consider it was for a used 85MB hard drive, it was hardly as cost effective as my pc card drive (which I bought a couple of years ago for $85).=20 epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 Laptop: Kiwi 680TX From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 15:59:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA158781971; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:59:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04453; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:56:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04324; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04312; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnote (slip129-37-216-141.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.216.141]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA80138 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:56:28 GMT Message-Id: <199709211956.TAA80138@out2.ibm.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "Thinkpad Email List" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 14:01:46 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: CPU swap with 760E & 760ED Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if there are separate CPU boards that can be swapped and how to get to them. I recently picked up a 760E with P150 relatively inexpensively and am hoping to get a 760ED P133 for a decent price. I would like to have the enhanced video (video in/out port and gameport) thats on the 760ED with the P150 CPU in the 760E. Anyone know if its possible to swap the CPUs? I would then give the slower machine without video enhancements to my husband. Thanks. --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 16:16:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA163823006; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:16:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05062; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:13:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04957; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04933; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p19.hwts15.loop.net (p19.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.244]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA01716; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709212012.NAA01716@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "epbrown" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 13:14:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Zip for ThinkPad's Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:40:00 GMT, epbrown wrote: >On Sun, 21 Sep 97 10:46:19 , you wrote: >I wrote: >>> My PCMCIA drive is a Maxtor MobileMax 131MB drive double spaced to >>>250MB. > >>Isn't compression a hassle, and also slows down the performance? >>Also, does anyone here (besides myself) use an ATA Flash RAM card >>for use as extra storage? > Actually, I've never been able to detect a drop in performance >using compression. I think part of this is because the platters are so >small, so there's not a lot of seek time and such. > Btw, there are 131MB MobileMaxs like mine posted on the net for >$50-100USD, and there's someone auctioning some off on an auction site >(that "ebay" one, I've only stopped by once so don't have it marked) >with a starting bid of $50. > As for external kits, when I shopped around for one, the best I >could find was $100 (MegaHaus). Not bad, but when you consider it was >for a used 85MB hard drive, it was hardly as cost effective as my pc >card drive (which I bought a couple of years ago for $85). > epbrown But again, the issue of compatibility comes up. What OSes does it work with? Also, does anyone think that there might be a reason I should not get that WD drive (besides WD's reputation)? Aren't most PCMCIA ATA drives the same, in terms of drivers, or are they all different? Maybe I will get a SCSI card instead, so I can use this FAST 524MB drive instead. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 16:20:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA164633227; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:20:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05389; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:17:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05238; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05227; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p19.hwts15.loop.net (p19.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.244]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA02094; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709212017.NAA02094@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Teresa Selling" , "Thinkpad Email List" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 13:18:29 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CPU swap with 760E & 760ED Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 97 14:01:46, Teresa Selling wrote: >Does anyone know if there are separate CPU >boards that can be swapped and how to get to >them. I recently picked up a 760E with >P150 relatively inexpensively and am hoping >to get a 760ED P133 for a decent price. I would >like to have the enhanced video (video in/out >port and gameport) thats on the 760ED >with the P150 CPU in the 760E. Anyone know >if its possible to swap the CPUs? I would >then give the slower machine without video >enhancements to my husband. >Thanks. > > > >--- >Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net >Colorado Springs, CO > Depends how technically-skilled you are. And although I have taken apart 2 different ThinkPads before, they can be really tricky (like this 701), and also can void your warranty quicker. In the case of my 701, when EZServ didn't send back all the parts, they sent replacement parts a while later, which gave me the idea that *I* had to do the repairs. Oh well, they didn't care anyways! But back to the main point - you might be able to do it, but you would need really small screwdrivers, a large flat service, lots of light, lots of patience, and would also need lots of patience when you realize that you've blown your warranty. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 16:37:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA168924243; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:37:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03112; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:25:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02998; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02985; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts16.loop.net (p17.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.32]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27627; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709211924.MAA27627@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Disneyjazz@aol.com" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 12:25:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 2 pixels constantly lit on monitor Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:05:38 -0400 (EDT), Disneyjazz@aol.com wrote: >I have a 365 XD. As long as I have had it, about 6 months, ther ehave always >been a blue and a red pixel always lit when the computer is on. They appear >in the bottom left of the active matrix screen, but are nto right next to one >another. If I send this into Easyserv for this purpose, will I get another >monitor?? > >John > John- This is characteristic of Active Matrix LCDs. As I said in an earlier post, each pixel is controlled by its own transistor. Sometimes a few of these transistors will end up being defective, so you see a discolored pixel constantly on. If you really want to get a new LCD, then I guess you could send it in for EZServ, but you could save yourself and EZServ a lot of hassle by just keeping your machine. One of the reasons that Active Matrix LCDs are so expensive is because it is hard to get an LCD without defects in it. Most manafacturers have a limit on how many pixels can be defective for it to be bad, but 2 sounds okay. Nevertheless, you LCD is still usable. Hopefully this was insightfull and not too confusing. Regards, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 17:13:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA177636438; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:13:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07166; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:10:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07082; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07072; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p19.hwts15.loop.net (p19.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.244]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA06375 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709212110.OAA06375@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 14:11:27 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FTP Site Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, remember when I had that ThinkPad-powered Web site? Well, besides that, I've got an FTP site now, with ThinkPad links I downloaded >from Yahoo for OS/2, W95, and Linux. It's at ftp://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org in the ThinkPad directory. While I use my ThinkPad at school on weekdays, I should have it connected in the evenings throughout the night on the weekdays. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 18:03:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA190199386; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:03:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08328; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:00:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08210; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08196; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA21048; Sun, 21 Sep 97 11:59:55 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA03145; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:00:24 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709212200.MAA03145@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: PCMCIA Hard Drive To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 12:00:24 HST Cc: miktip@worldnet.att.net, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <342c6f94.47069862@mail.interport.net>; from "richard" at Sep 21, 97 3:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >I've opted for an external 3.5 gig hard drive > >connected up with an external kit to my parallel port! > >At $400, it's a much more "economical" option! > > What did you use as an external kit? Pricing? Where did you buy? Micro Warehouse has a few different kinds of kits for about $80-$90, and at least one with a PCMCIA (instead of parallel) for somewhat more. Lots of companies make these kits nowadays; I think they all use the same basic chipset. (Look for names like Valuestor, H45, Kangaru, Antec,...) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 18:42:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA199831748; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:42:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09501; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:33:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09396; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09384; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.146.122.219]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA19021; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:32:46 +0000 From: "Mik Tip" To: "Teresa Selling" Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: CPU swap with 760E & 760ED Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:33:01 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCC6B4.69149220" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970921223244.AAA19021@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC6B4.69149220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can go to IBM Parts web sight and make a comparison! The sight is at http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/parts/ I often utilize this sight to view actual parts numbers and see if their identical between different models of ThinkPad! Mik ---------- > From: Teresa Selling > To: Thinkpad Email List > Subject: CPU swap with 760E & 760ED > Date: Sunday, September 21, 1997 9:01 AM > > Does anyone know if there are separate CPU > boards that can be swapped and how to get to > them. I recently picked up a 760E with > P150 relatively inexpensively and am hoping > to get a 760ED P133 for a decent price. I would > like to have the enhanced video (video in/out > port and gameport) thats on the 760ED > with the P150 CPU in the 760E. Anyone know > if its possible to swap the CPUs? I would > then give the slower machine without video > enhancements to my husband. > Thanks. > > > > --- > Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net > Colorado Springs, CO ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC6B4.69149220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You can go to IBM Parts web sight and = make a comparison!

The sight is at = http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/parts/

I often utilize this sight = to view actual parts numbers
and see if their identical between = different models
of ThinkPad!

=             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;          Mik
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> From: Teresa Selling = <tselling@ibm.net>
> To: Thinkpad Email List = <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> Subject: CPU swap with 760E = & 760ED
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 1997 9:01 AM
> =
> Does anyone know if there are separate CPU
> boards that = can be swapped and how to get to
> them.  I recently picked = up a 760E with
> P150 relatively inexpensively and am hoping =
> to get a 760ED P133 for a decent price.  I would
> = like to have the enhanced video (video in/out
> port and = gameport) thats on the 760ED
> with the P150 CPU in the 760E. =  Anyone know
> if its possible to swap the CPUs?  I = would
> then give the slower machine without video
> = enhancements to my husband.
> Thanks.
>
>
> =
> ---
> Teresa Selling =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;E-Mail:  tselling@ibm.net
> Colorado Springs, = CO

------=_NextPart_000_01BCC6B4.69149220-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 19:50:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217375802; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:50:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11490; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:36:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11381; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resudox.net (root@resudox.net [198.96.220.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11371; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.rogers.wave.ca (pc-15568.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.93.105]) by resudox.net (8.8.5/8.7.3/resudox) with ESMTP id SAA02581 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:30:15 -0400 Message-Id: <3425B02A.DBFFFADC@resudox.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:39:22 -0400 From: Phil Hogarth Organization: digIT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dvd drive on 770 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu DVD is an option on the new 770 series. Here's my question: Would a DVD drive also read standard CD-ROM disks? Or would you have to get a CD-ROM drive as well. The high-end model has the CD-ROM drive as an option along with DVD. Thanks. -- Philip Hogarth Partner, Director-Web Development digIT Interactive Inc. ************************************************************* "The Launch Machine". Experience our results at www.digit.ca. OTTAWA 613-729-0515 TORONTO 416-363-7938 ************************************************************* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 19:59:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219286377; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:59:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12030; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:51:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11903; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11891; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01484 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:56:11 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:56:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Infrared Ports for file transfers In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970921094639.00692980@mail.gte.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, w.t.brown wrote: > I have a Thinkpad 560, pentium 120mz, 24 mb ram. I normally use a serial > cable to copy files back and forth to my desktop, at a speed of 115kps. I > was thinking of buying a jeteye for my desktop to use with > the infrared port on my 560 to copy files. However, Mobile Computing > magazine said their test of infrared > ports showed they effectively only operate at the very slow speed of about > 75kps, way too slow. If you are cheap just use a laplink style parallel cable, if you have more money try two network cards and a cable. The IBM Home and Away card works well on a TP560-120 [I have one] and is about $35 or so, and a desktop Ethernet card is about $20. Add one "crosover" 10-bt cable for about $5 [I just made a 12' one yesterday for a friend for $4 in parts] and you are set. That will get you about 700K/sec to near 1MB/sec throughput. Infrared, parallel and basically everything else are all vastly inferior to this setup. I just sold my H&A card a couple of weeks ago and replaced it with a Motorola Mariner and that works great too. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 20:00:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219616445; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:00:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12332; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:57:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12168; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12157; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01520; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:01:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:01:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: Zip for ThinkPad's In-Reply-To: <199709211454.HAA09283@stevie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >I've contemplated just running an external 3.5 gig hard drive, via parallel > >port. Anyone doing so already? > > And for anyone who is doing that, or running other parallel port > devices, are they really slow? I would only expect 8-bit speed, as > the parallel port is only 8 bit anyways. I have a 1GB Quantum fireball 1080 [one of the fastest 1GB drives ever] stuck in an external parallel port case. I can get about 670K/sec throughput, *but* my TP560-120 can barely do anything else while that is going on. It is so slow it hurts. Really hurts. The parallel interface manufacturer claims the interface can do up to 700K/sec, so I am basically right at the limit. If I slow down my parallel port the CPU load goes down, but so does the throughput. > Also, does anyone know if these devices are compatible with higher > end OSes such as OS/2 and various unixes? My case/parallel adapter supports Windows/DOS/Win95 and OS/2. The case was $45 or so, so I can live with its shortcomings. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 20:17:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223717438; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:17:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12875; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:03:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12742; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12705; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01558 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:08:01 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hinges In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19970921115906.6f3f5784@mail.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Steve Simonis wrote: > I'm thinking about getting a TP 560 but have heard that many people have > problems with the hinges breaking or rapidly wearing out. > > I was just wondering if this is in fact a major problem for many owners and > if so, is there anything that can be done to avoid the problem. My TP560-120 was about 10 months old when I bought it, and I have had it for 7 months or so. I have never had even a hint of trouble with it. I like this thing. I do not haul it around as much as some people might though. I suppose if you opened the top way too far and were rough with it that you could break the hinges. You'd have to be pretty rough with it for that to be a problem though. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 20:20:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224997649; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:20:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13389; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:17:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13292; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13281; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p21.hwts16.loop.net (p21.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.36]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21814; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709220017.RAA21814@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Parker" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 17:18:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Infrared Ports for file transfers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:56:09 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, w.t.brown wrote: > >> I have a Thinkpad 560, pentium 120mz, 24 mb ram. I normally use a serial >> cable to copy files back and forth to my desktop, at a speed of 115kps. I >> was thinking of buying a jeteye for my desktop to use with >> the infrared port on my 560 to copy files. However, Mobile Computing >> magazine said their test of infrared >> ports showed they effectively only operate at the very slow speed of about >> 75kps, way too slow. > > If you are cheap just use a laplink style parallel cable, if you have >more money try two network cards and a cable. The IBM Home and Away card >works well on a TP560-120 [I have one] and is about $35 or so, and a >desktop Ethernet card is about $20. Add one "crosover" 10-bt cable for >about $5 [I just made a 12' one yesterday for a friend for $4 in parts] >and you are set. That will get you about 700K/sec to near 1MB/sec >throughput. > > Infrared, parallel and basically everything else are all vastly inferior >to this setup. I just sold my H&A card a couple of weeks ago and replaced >it with a Motorola Mariner and that works great too. > I'm thinking of getting a 3COM PCMCIA 10Base-T card to use instead of my Home & (Support is far) Away. Has anyone here used it? Any cons/pros? And no, this is not the CardBus model. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 20:30:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA227428254; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:30:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13699; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:23:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13520; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13509; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p21.hwts16.loop.net (p21.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.36]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA22196; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709220022.RAA22196@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Parker" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 17:23:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Zip for ThinkPad's Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:01:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: >> >I've contemplated just running an external 3.5 gig hard drive, via parallel >> >port. Anyone doing so already? >> >> And for anyone who is doing that, or running other parallel port >> devices, are they really slow? I would only expect 8-bit speed, as >> the parallel port is only 8 bit anyways. > > I have a 1GB Quantum fireball 1080 [one of the fastest 1GB drives ever] How fast, how much cache, and most importantly, SCSI or (I would guess) EIDE? The drive I would like to use is a Quantum Prodrive LPS525s, but because it is a SCSI-2 device, I would need to fork out almost $200 for a decent SCSI-2 PCMCIA card to benefit from the 10.8ms and 512K cache. Right now it's on an Ultra Wide card in my server. >stuck in an external parallel port case. I can get about 670K/sec >throughput, *but* my TP560-120 can barely do anything else while that is >going on. It is so slow it hurts. Really hurts. The parallel interface >manufacturer claims the interface can do up to 700K/sec, so I am basically >right at the limit. Maybe their test machine was a Pentium II 233MHz or something. Right now, I just do things the cheap way - with a Laplink cable from OS/2's "Boot from Drive A:" option. I'd say that it takes about 18-20 seconds to copy a 1.5MB file from my 701's HD to the Quantum drive. If I slow down my parallel port the CPU load goes >down, but so does the throughput. > What is the setting of your parallel port (SPP, ECP, EPP)? >> Also, does anyone know if these devices are compatible with higher >> end OSes such as OS/2 and various unixes? > > My case/parallel adapter supports Windows/DOS/Win95 and OS/2. The case >was $45 or so, so I can live with its shortcomings. > >============================================================================ >==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== >============================================================================ > > Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 20:33:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA228588428; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:33:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14128; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:31:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14015; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13999; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01694; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:35:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Infrared Ports for file transfers In-Reply-To: <199709220017.RAA21814@stevie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > I'm thinking of getting a 3COM PCMCIA 10Base-T card to use > instead of my Home & (Support is far) Away. Has anyone here used > it? Any cons/pros? And no, this is not the CardBus model. I have heard lots of good things about it. If I had been buying new I would have picked the 3COM over the Motorola Mariner. The 3COM card has much better support in various operating systems. I own 5 or 6 3COM network cards and they are nice, well supported units. I own one other Motorola modem [a Power v.34] and it has died once already after about 2.5 years of use. Motorola has a habit of releasing modems with Flash ROMs in them. Then if you are lucky they may use it for a bug fix later, but they will never add any increased functionality. For $159 for my Mariner I can live with that.. =) ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 21:58:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248563487; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:58:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17355; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:45:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17244; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17234; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p21.hwts16.loop.net (p21.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.36]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA28317; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709220144.SAA28317@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mik Tip" , "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 18:45:54 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760EL / Windows Question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:29:03 -0500, Mik Tip wrote: >After purchasing my 760EL, it came preloaded with Windows 95. > >Within the new computer I noticed it has a "hibernation" file >(pm_hiber.bin) in the c:\ drive. >The problem is this file is 76283904mb in size! Mik - You need this file if you hibernate the machine. It contains the contents of your system's RAM, plus the video RAM. > >Exactly what does this file do? > See above. >Also I'm unfamiliar with the 'Windows 95 system" > Good luck if you upgrade to 98. >My older computer (760LD)had the upgraded Windows 3.1 to 95.(DOS my old >friend!) > >Under the Windows file folder the 760EL , in the 'options' file folder >there > >are 25 win95_01.cab files, at 1213952mb each. > Those are the installation files, which are normally on the Windows installation disks. >These and files called Shell~1, 50 of them! > >Exactly what do these files do? > Again, see above. Later. >Thanks in advance! > > > Mik From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 22:09:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251564143; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:09:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14509; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:38:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14381; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14370; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01735; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:42:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: Zip for ThinkPad's In-Reply-To: <199709220022.RAA22196@stevie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > How fast, how much cache, and most importantly, SCSI or (I would guess) EIDE? The 5400 RPM, unknown cache [suspect ~256K] and EIDE. > drive I would like to use is a Quantum Prodrive LPS525s, but because it > is a SCSI-2 > device, I would need to fork out almost $200 for a decent SCSI-2 PCMCIA card > to benefit from the 10.8ms and 512K cache. Right now it's on an Ultra Wide > card in my server. Get the New Media bus toaster from www.yesman.com for $53. That is based on the same chip as the Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI cards and is about as fast as you can go on PCMCIA anyway. > What is the setting of your parallel port (SPP, ECP, EPP)? EPP, which is what the case docs recommended. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 22:12:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA252254322; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:12:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15673; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:06:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15557; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15545; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.146.122.173]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA4178 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:05:14 +0000 From: "Mik Tip" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Question Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:05:26 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCC6C9.B39F02C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970922010512.AAA4178@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC6C9.B39F02C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a way to view the "current" as in yesterdays,ThinkPad List's past postings? The archive seems to be several months old. Or I'm just not in the right area. Thanks! Mik ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC6C9.B39F02C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is there a way to view the = "current" as in yesterdays,ThinkPad List's past = postings?

The archive seems to be several months old.  Or = I'm just not in the right area.

Thanks!

=             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;          Mik

------=_NextPart_000_01BCC6C9.B39F02C0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 22:21:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254824882; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:21:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14985; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:49:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14823; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (root@einstein.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14813; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.25]) by einstein.phy.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02459 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24952; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:49:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:49:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199709220049.UAA24952@lem.phy.duke.edu> From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Questions from a new user... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just bought a 560E with 12.1" TFT screen, 48 MB RAM, 2.1 GB drive for my research group here at Duke University. It has been set up to run both Win95 and Linux (Red Hat 4.2) and so far works quite nicely. (For the curious, I bought the machine fully configured as a dual-bootable machine from SW Technology, who offer excellent prices and service for people interested in Linux.) Had some questions as a new user: 1. I would like to insure it, especially as a portable. Inside the 560E box was a card from the R. C. Knox company, offering three years of insurance for about $230 (for this particular model). Does anyone have any comments about this insurance policy or whether there are other better alternatives? Has anyone purchased this particular insurance? 2. The Win95 came loaded with lots of stuff (like the Lotus Suite) that I have no need for and would like to delete to free up space. Is there a roadmap somewhere of what is contained in all the many preinstalled folders and whether I can safely delete various folders without affecting the performance of the machine? I would like to strip the Win95 partition to a minimum and then add back various applications and data. Only potential problem I have seen so far is that the hinges covering the floppy disk port and PCMCIA ports are cheaply made and look like they will easily break off. Am surprised that IBM could not engineer a better solution, e.g., imitate what Micron does on their Transports in which a port cover simply slides out of the way, with no easy way for breakage or loss. Thanks, Henry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 22:36:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258595815; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:36:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18134; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:13:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18016; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17998; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA21712; Sun, 21 Sep 97 16:13:49 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA03333; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:14:18 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709220214.QAA03333@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Questions from a new user... To: hsg@phy.duke.edu (Henry S. Greenside) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 16:14:18 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199709220049.UAA24952@lem.phy.duke.edu>; from "Henry S. Greenside" at Sep 21, 97 8:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Only potential problem I have seen so far is that the > hinges covering the floppy disk port and PCMCIA ports > are cheaply made and look like they will easily break > off. Am surprised that IBM could not engineer a better > solution, e.g., imitate what Micron does on their > Transports in which a port cover simply slides out of > the way, with no easy way for breakage or loss. I like the Micron solution as well (also the TI Travelmate swing-in door), but remember that the Microns are 8 pound, very thick machines. A TP560-sized version would be pretty flimsy itself. As for the hinges, I've not had a problem yet, and I think that if they *were* to break it would simply mean getting a new cover, probably less than $10. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 22:40:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259426030; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:40:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17135; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:40:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16977; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16956; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts1port14.port.net (usrts1port14.port.net [207.237.104.14]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06772; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "Mik Tip" Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: 760EL / Windows Question Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:40:20 -0400 Message-Id: <3434cb4e.70554667@mail.interport.net> References: <19970922012850.AAA845@default> In-Reply-To: <19970922012850.AAA845@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:29:03 -0500, "Mik Tip" wrote: >After purchasing my 760EL, it came preloaded with Windows 95. > >Within the new computer I noticed it has a "hibernation" file >(pm_hiber.bin) in the c:\ drive. >The problem is this file is 76283904mb in size! > >Exactly what does this file do? it's a file that the system uses when it goes into suspend or hibernation modes. basically, the contents of ram are copied to disk on suspend, then copied from disk to ram on re-start > >Also I'm unfamiliar with the 'Windows 95 system" > >My older computer (760LD)had the upgraded Windows 3.1 to 95.(DOS my old >friend!) > >Under the Windows file folder the 760EL , in the 'options' file folder >there > >are 25 win95_01.cab files, at 1213952mb each. these are the install/setup files for win95. they are needed if you want to add certain programs or change some o/s options. don't delete (if you really need the disk space, back up to floppies) >These and files called Shell~1, 50 of them! i think that you can delete these, but should back them up first just in case. if memory serves, the system recreates ShellIconCache. >Exactly what do these files do? > >Thanks in advance! > > > Mik From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 22:48:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261966501; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:48:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16618; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:32:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16505; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16489; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.146.122.173]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA845 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:28:51 +0000 From: "Mik Tip" To: "thinkpad" Subject: 760EL / Windows Question Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:29:03 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCC6CD.00550B20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970922012850.AAA845@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC6CD.00550B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After purchasing my 760EL, it came preloaded with Windows 95. Within the new computer I noticed it has a "hibernation" file (pm_hiber.bin) in the c:\ drive. The problem is this file is 76283904mb in size! Exactly what does this file do? Also I'm unfamiliar with the 'Windows 95 system" My older computer (760LD)had the upgraded Windows 3.1 to 95.(DOS my old friend!) Under the Windows file folder the 760EL , in the 'options' file folder there are 25 win95_01.cab files, at 1213952mb each. These and files called Shell~1, 50 of them! Exactly what do these files do? Thanks in advance! Mik ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC6CD.00550B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After purchasing my 760EL, it came = preloaded with Windows 95.  

Within the new computer I = noticed it has a "hibernation" file (pm_hiber.bin) in = the c:\ drive.
The problem is this file is 76283904mb in = size!

Exactly what does this file do?  

Also I'm = unfamiliar with the 'Windows 95 system"

My older computer = (760LD)had the upgraded Windows 3.1 to 95.(DOS my old = friend!)

Under the Windows file folder the 760EL , in the = 'options' file folder there

are 25 win95_01.cab files, at = 1213952mb each.
 
These and files called Shell~1, 50 = of them!

Exactly what do these files do?

Thanks in = advance!


=             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;          Mik

------=_NextPart_000_01BCC6CD.00550B20-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 23:35:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274109327; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:35:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19682; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:58:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19544; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19503; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p18.hwts00.loop.net (p18.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.33]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA04597; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709220256.TAA04597@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Henry S. Greenside" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 19:57:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Questions from a new user... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 97 16:14:18 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Only potential problem I have seen so far is that the >> hinges covering the floppy disk port and PCMCIA ports >> are cheaply made and look like they will easily break >> off. Am surprised that IBM could not engineer a better >> solution, e.g., imitate what Micron does on their >> Transports in which a port cover simply slides out of >> the way, with no easy way for breakage or loss. > >I like the Micron solution as well (also the TI Travelmate >swing-in door), but remember that the Microns are 8 pound, >very thick machines. A TP560-sized version would be pretty >flimsy itself. > >As for the hinges, I've not had a problem yet, and I think >that if they *were* to break it would simply mean getting >a new cover, probably less than $10. > >- David > > Believe me, it will be WAY more than that. IBM wanted around $50 for the cover on the 701, so the 560's price probably isn't very far away. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 23:39:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274939545; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:39:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18597; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:25:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18490; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18480; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA02346; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA15149; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashburn1 ([166.32.100.62]) by imeid03.mcit.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA20431; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:24:28 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:24:00 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gregg Ginsberg To: "'Phil Hogarth'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: dvd drive on 770 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:25:27 -0400 Organization: executiveONE R&D X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4025 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sunday, September 21, 1997 7:39 PM, Phil Hogarth [SMTP:hogarth@resudox.net] wrote: > DVD is an option on the new 770 series. > > Here's my question: Would a DVD drive also read standard CD-ROM disks? > Or would you have to get a CD-ROM drive as well. The high-end model has > the CD-ROM drive as an option along with DVD. Yes, DVD drives are capable of reading standard "silver" CD Rom's. The first generation DVD drives did have did preclude the user from reading "gold" CD-Recordable disks because their lasers had a tendency to rewrite data on the disks. I have it from IBM that the 770 will be using a 2nd generation DVD drive that will allow the use of CD-R disks. --- Gregg Ginsberg executiveONE R&D MCI Telecommunications Phone: 202-887-3045, v220-3045 Gregg.Ginsberg@MCI.Com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 21 23:58:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279440686; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:58:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24806; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:54:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24645; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([209.60.190.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24628; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.43] by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ha374277 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:50:57 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:53:15 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Cheap external SCSI cases Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Since people are talking external I will just mention someone in the *.*.*.storage newsgroup is selling off old bernoulli boxes for $20 to $40, some single mostly dual bay cases with nice power supplies. (yes I do expect you to do your own dejanews search to find the ads). I wish I knew about them a month ago, a dual case would be perfect for my external CDR and a companion gig hard drive. I still may buy one just to have around if nothing shows up in the next swapmeet. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 00:43:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA002213421; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:43:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26707; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:40:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26608; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([209.60.190.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26589; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.43] by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id da374325 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:37:42 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709220017.RAA21814@stevie.loop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:40:27 -0800 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Infrared Ports for file transfers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 5:18 PM -0800 9/21/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:56:09 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: > >> If you are cheap just use a laplink style parallel cable, if you have >>more money try two network cards and a cable. The IBM Home and Away card >>works well on a TP560-120 [I have one] and is about $35 or so, and a >>desktop Ethernet card is about $20. Add one "crosover" 10-bt cable for >>about $5 [I just made a 12' one yesterday for a friend for $4 in parts] >>and you are set. That will get you about 700K/sec to near 1MB/sec >>throughput. >> >> Infrared, parallel and basically everything else are all vastly inferior >>to this setup. I just sold my H&A card a couple of weeks ago and replaced >>it with a Motorola Mariner and that works great too. >> >I'm thinking of getting a 3COM PCMCIA 10Base-T card to use >instead of my Home & (Support is far) Away. Has anyone here used >it? Any cons/pros? And no, this is not the CardBus model. Doesn't the 10baset side of the H&A work fine? We wrassled with ours for a week or so to get the modem going, but didn't bother to even test the 10BaseT due to all the positive reports. BTW last time I was at Fry's they were selling the H&A for $22. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 00:52:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004803935; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:52:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27053; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:50:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26956; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26939; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts01.loop.net (p07.hwts01.loop.net [207.211.61.52]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA13948; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709220448.VAA13948@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mike Ford" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 21:46:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Infrared Ports for file transfers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:40:27 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >At 5:18 PM -0800 9/21/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:56:09 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >> >>> If you are cheap just use a laplink style parallel cable, if you have >>>more money try two network cards and a cable. The IBM Home and Away card >>>works well on a TP560-120 [I have one] and is about $35 or so, and a >>>desktop Ethernet card is about $20. Add one "crosover" 10-bt cable for >>>about $5 [I just made a 12' one yesterday for a friend for $4 in parts] >>>and you are set. That will get you about 700K/sec to near 1MB/sec >>>throughput. >>> >>> Infrared, parallel and basically everything else are all vastly inferior >>>to this setup. I just sold my H&A card a couple of weeks ago and replaced >>>it with a Motorola Mariner and that works great too. >>> >>I'm thinking of getting a 3COM PCMCIA 10Base-T card to use >>instead of my Home & (Support is far) Away. Has anyone here used >>it? Any cons/pros? And no, this is not the CardBus model. > >Doesn't the 10baset side of the H&A work fine? > >We wrassled with ours for a week or so to get the modem going, but didn't >bother to even test the 10BaseT due to all the positive reports. > >BTW last time I was at Fry's they were selling the H&A for $22. > I don't like the default of IRQ 3 for the modem/ethernet enabler. Right now I am connected with the H&A @ COM3, IRQ 11. I don't know what I will set the SCSI card to when I get it. Is it okay to assign a device to IRQ 9 (cascaded IRQ 2)? I hear that some machines can handle it, and others cannot. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 00:58:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006044295; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:58:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27287; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:54:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27181; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27170; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA25199 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dual Booting OS/2 and Win95 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 701 came with dual-boot OS/2 and DOS/Win3.1--of course I could also run Win 3.1 from within OS/2. But I needed some Win95 programs, so I installed Win95 from a cdrom drive that attaches with a pcmcia card. I told it to get rid of the old files (and it said I might not be able to run my OS/2 programs); I thought it was going to trash the entire DOS/Win 3.1, but it kept all my programs....and even installed as an item under Start>Programs "OS/2", and the computer will boot to OS/2, and then to Win95 from OS/2. I'm amazed. But a little short on disk space! Everything I've tried so far runs..... How about that? Annelise From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 01:23:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012855810; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:23:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26219; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:28:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26066; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26056; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts01.loop.net (p07.hwts01.loop.net [207.211.61.52]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA12181; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709220427.VAA12181@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "chrisd@loc201.tandem.com" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 20:38:19 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Questions from a new user... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:20:09 -0700, Chris DiBona wrote: >That's not true, at least not in the case of the 701's pcmcia bezel. It was less than 10$. > Oh, sorry about that. I thought David was referring to the LCD cover. For the PCMCIA bezel, I think it was $10-25, which is bad, because mine is broken, and I didn't get one from EZServ. Oh well. >For the floppy port cover, who knows. > > Chris > Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 01:28:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA014096123; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:28:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28209; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:26:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28090; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28080; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p05.hwts08.loop.net (p05.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.20]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17337; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709220525.WAA17337@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Annelise Anderson" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 22:27:16 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dual Booting OS/2 and Win95 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:49:32 -0700 (PDT), Annelise Anderson wrote: >My 701 came with dual-boot OS/2 and DOS/Win3.1--of course I could also >run Win 3.1 from within OS/2. But I needed some Win95 programs, so >I installed Win95 from a cdrom drive that attaches with a pcmcia card. > >I told it to get rid of the old files (and it said I might not be able >to run my OS/2 programs); I thought it was going to trash the entire >DOS/Win 3.1, but it kept all my programs....and even installed as an >item under Start>Programs "OS/2", and the computer will boot to OS/2, >and then to Win95 from OS/2. I'm amazed. > >But a little short on disk space! > >Everything I've tried so far runs..... > >How about that? > > Annelise > Never, EVER, EVER believe Microsoft when they tell you that installing Windows whatever over Linux or OS/2 or something else will disable it. In fact, Windows NT seems to be more lenient about having OS/2, except for HPFS. It's just another one of Microsofts' tricks. Also, a reason you may be short of space is the large cluster size - assuming you have a 540MB drive, that's 8K per cluster, 720MB (which is what I have) is 16K per cluster (I think), but I'm using HPFS so it's only 1/2 K per cluster. So having lots of small files from say GIFs and HTMLs off the web can make for lost disk space because of the large cluster size. Anyone on the list - please correct me if I'm wrong. Paul Paul From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 22 02:26:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031859580; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 02:26:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28255; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:27:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28130; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28120; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s-rick.cs.duke.edu (s-rick.cs.duke.edu [152.3.134.63]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA17223; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970921151407.007bacc0@cs.duke.edu> X-Sender: rick@cs.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:27:13 -0700 To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU From: Rick Floyd Subject: Infrared Ports for file transfers Cc: wtbrown@gte.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Has anyone any experience with using infrared ports to copy large files to >a desktop? I tried this when Adaptec first came out with their add-on IR, and was very disappointed. I was never able to get better than 56Kb between my desktop and a 701C. Even that was iffy for large files. I could do better Thinkpad <-> Thinkpad, but to the desktop 115Kb was a distant dream. 30MB file copies were an overnight operation (when they worked). This was one of the most unsatisfactory computer hardware purchases I ever made. If you're doing a lot of this, you'll probably be happier getting something like a ZIP drive (I've been quite satisfied with the speed of SCSI-based ZIP drive for things like this) or investing in an Ethernet. Rick Floyd rick@cs.duke.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 04:00:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA054235212; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 04:00:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02848; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:57:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02754; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu (rho.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02744; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (comserv-i-24.usc.edu [128.125.224.96]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA68230 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:57:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970922005712.006bda24@hbprft.usc.edu> X-Sender: annala@hbprft.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:57:20 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: TP760CD/120Mhz Upgrade vs. Dragon Dictate Naturally Speaking 1.0 ??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone tested Dragon Dictate's Naturally Speaking 1.0 product on a 120 MHz TP760 system? I am interested in this product; but, my clock rate is slightly lower than the recommended 133 Mhz. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 05:32:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075450737; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:32:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05148; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:06:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04983; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ins.net (root@popp.ins.de [192.129.55.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04973; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:06:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from news.mlc.de ([194.122.215.34]) by relay.ins.net (8.8.5/INS-1.5.1) with ESMTP id LAA25560 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:06:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from riscy.mlc.de (riscy.mlc.de [193.98.180.65]) by news.mlc.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15848 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:15:11 +0200 Received: from diddl by riscy.mlc.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25097; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:52:26 +0200 Received: by diddl.mlc.de(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 4125651A.0036A02F ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:56:39 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: MLC RATINGEN To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <4125651A.0035EC3B.00@diddl.mlc.de> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:51:03 +0100 Subject: Betr.: RE: dvd drive on 770 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Will an IBM DVD drive for a 770 also work in "older" models, e.g. the 765? Stefan Tilkov From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 08:29:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117621363; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:29:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14708; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:35:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14621; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14611; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id HAA24451; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:40:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Paul Khoury Cc: Annelise Anderson , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Dual Booting OS/2 and Win95 In-Reply-To: <199709220525.WAA17337@stevie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sunday, 21st September 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Also, a reason you may be short of space is the large cluster size - > assuming you have a 540MB drive, that's 8K per cluster, 720MB (which is > what I have) is 16K per cluster (I think), but I'm using HPFS so it's > only 1/2 K per cluster. So having lots of small files from say GIFs > and HTMLs off the web can make for lost disk space because of the > large cluster size. Anyone on the list - please correct me if I'm wrong. You'd have to go to 1024 MB to get 16 KB per cluster. I have a 540 MB drive on my 701C, which is divided into two partitions, the larger one being somewhat under 512 MB (to get the 4 KB cluster size). The smaller cluster size wastes less space for smaller files, as Paul has noted. Chris. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 11:02:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161400563; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:02:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01418; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:59:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01264; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01224; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 42686890; Mon, 22 Sep 97 10:54:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:54:14 -0400 Message-Id: <42686890@doblegate.doble.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Phil Hogarth Subject: Re: dvd drive on 770 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.874940040" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.874940040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Here's my question: Would a DVD drive also read standard CD-ROM disks? >Or would you have to get a CD-ROM drive as well. The high-end model >has the CD-ROM drive as an option along with DVD. Hello, From the information I seen it is not a "given" that any DVD player will play CDs or CD-Roms. One piece of information I read recently is that DVD uses a different color laser that cannot read CD-R disks. DVD drives that can read CDs use two lasers (one for DVD, one for regular CD). 73 Eric Cottrell ecottrell@doble.com --IMA.Boundary.874940040-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 13:45:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213290337; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:45:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12304; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:43:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12152; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20150; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.218.122.158] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id A045430076; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:09:57 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970905000635.006aaa28@mail.netnevada.net> X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:06:35 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: Re: Batteries for 701 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Was the last price like $30 or something? And are NiMH getting cheaper >(for the 701, that is)? At one point, SurplusDirect had them for like $30. ---------------------------------------- - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Network Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET 2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted messages preferred - ---------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 14:01:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217681273; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:01:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13730; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:57:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13605; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13428; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04756 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:39:16 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCC75F.9F8ADE30@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:58:37 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "deanc@boi.hp.com" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 560 sale Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:52:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 27 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You can get filters for privacy. I think some use micro venetian blinds embedded in plastic, some use polarization? ---------- From: ross@math.hawaii.edu[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] Sent: 1997 September 19 - Friday 08:07 To: deanc@boi.hp.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 sale > it, as I like to, at a dimly-lit restaurant). And, when I'm flying, > anyone sitting next to me can easily read the screen because of the > wide viewing angle that active matrix provides. With my previous dual- > scan screens I never noticed anyone "peeking" over at my computer or > commenting on what I was doing (or playing) on it. But the Thinkpad's > screen is easy to read at an angle, and it actually keeps me from doing > any company sensitive work on the plane. Well, forget using the 560 on most planes anyway; if the person in front of you has the seat tilted back into your lap, the 560 won't open wide enough to be useful, unless you hold it in you lap or well forward on the tray table. This is a huge advantage of the 701, which can be used in very cramped situations. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 17:15:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA278222898; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:14:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24890; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:57:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24659; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24646; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.218.122.20] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id AB5A260192; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:55:54 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970922135241.033f5e34@mail.netnevada.net> X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:52:41 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: Re: Batteries for 701 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Wow..I sent this like 2 weeks ago... >X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) >Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:06:35 -0700 >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >From: Vernon Brooks >Subject: Re: Batteries for 701 >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >>Was the last price like $30 or something? And are NiMH getting cheaper >>(for the 701, that is)? > >At one point, SurplusDirect had them for like $30. >---------------------------------------- >- Vernon Brooks - >- Net Nevada Network Administrator - >- Las Vegas, NV (702) NET 2000 - >- PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - >- Encrypted messages preferred - >---------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 17:21:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280163276; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:21:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26641; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:18:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26334; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imsd-exchange.nrc.ca (imsd-exchange.nrc.ca [132.246.160.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26289; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by imsd-exchange.nrc.ca with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCC77B.8A7E2940@imsd-exchange.nrc.ca>; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:18:27 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Oleskiw, Myron" To: "'ThinkPad'" Subject: Recovering Thinkpad 365 User's Guide Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:16:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While deleting a previous user's superfluous files prior to backing up my newly acquired Thinkpad 365, I inadvertently erased the User's Guide directory (\ipfwin) and its subdirectories. The IBM site implies that this information is not available on their site. Would anyone with a TP365 be kind enough to help me out by FTPing the files to me? Please reply by E-mail to myron.oleskiw@nrc.ca Thanks in advance for your help. Myron Oleskiw From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 19:48:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA026972107; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:48:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04314; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:44:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04132; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slipgate.keysolutions.com (kenyee.xensei.com [204.96.52.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06458; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by slipgate.keysolutions.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525650C.00722A51 ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:46:59 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: KEY ENTERPRISE SOLUTIONS From: "Ken K. Yee" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <8525650C.007180A0.00@slipgate.keysolutions.com> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:46:42 -0400 Subject: Hmmm...new thinkpads don't depend on MWave that much? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hmm..the specs indicate that the 770 has a crystal chip for audio and the MWave has been relegated to modem only work. I didn't think the MWave was even capable of 56K speeds because it was out of processor cycles. They also changed the memory types again...i.e., 760 memory won't work in the 770. Disappointing that they don't have more video memory, but the specs imply you can stick a different one in the SelectaDock. It also looks like they have full MPEG-2 support now (instead of just HHR support) for DVD. Wonder when the 765 will be out? ;-) ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 20:58:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA047136307; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:58:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07208; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:48:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07037; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07014; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.146.122.122]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18402; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:48:16 +0000 From: "Mik Tip" To: "thinkpad" , "Punior :Logan" , "Eriv Valesquez" , "B-Bong" Subject: IBM Announces new chip! Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:48:27 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCC790.7E9BF7A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970923004814.AAA18402@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC790.7E9BF7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On CNN today IBM announced a technology that allows them to make computer chips from copper, vise aluminum. IBM further went on and stated this will dramatically increase the chip speeds and lower prices. The chip is expected to be introduced next year. That is all! Mik ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC790.7E9BF7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_01BCC790.7E9BF7A0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 21:34:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057028442; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:34:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08620; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:28:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08485; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08392; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07473; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:26:42 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) id LAA01543; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:26:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:26:33 +1000 (EST) To: Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: why buy a dvd drive for your thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <4125651A.0035EC3B.00@diddl.mlc.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: > Will an IBM DVD drive for a 770 also work in "older" models, e.g. the 765? why on earth could anyone possibly want a dvd drive?? if you travel internationally, to europe, to asia, anywhere else (as i suspect a higher proportion of thinkpad owners than others do) you can pick up a local cd-rom - perhaps language, perhaps cultural, perhaps on some other topic of interest to you, or with some other functionality not locally available to you - plop it in to your cd-rom drive, and away you go. ... the cultures of the world, not subject to prior censorship on the basis of what someone else thinks your interests are (or should be), what someone else thinks is suitable for you, what someone thinks is marketable in your home country, are at your fingertips. ...or, at minimum no farther away than your mailbox. now, along comes dvd, and all this changes. dvd disks produced in one global area will not work in the dvd drive sold to you in your area. so ... you buy a dvd drive for each area for which you wish to sample the language, culture, or other offerings? you carry several dvd drives when you travel? how can i put it?: buy a dvd drive and support international censorship! of course you are really supporting the ability of corporations to charge the price that earns them the highest profit in each market area. when markets are geographical distance, when the cost to the prospective buyer of transporting or converting for local use the product of interest exceeds the differential sellers earn, then differential pricing to maximize profit is easily maintained. with a global electronic economy, with high value items in light, small configurations, transport costs are greatly reduced, and differential pricing can only be maintained by articfical means, eg, geographical coding of dvd disks. in short, the global electronic economomy is fine, so long as it benefits sellers, whatever the adverse consequences for buyers. alternative views welcomed! off the topic? probably. can individuals make a difference? probably not. but something to think about when/if you buy a thinkpad again. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 22 22:50:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA080323018; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:50:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12238; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:45:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12004; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11987; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dashub2.das.dec.com (dashub2.das.dec.com [16.136.64.63]) by mail13.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with SMTP id WAA17727 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dashub2.das.dec.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.35) id <01BCC7A8.926E0C10@dashub2.das.dec.com>; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:40:48 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gary Henry To: "'ThinkPad'" Subject: What can I get for 2 760ED's Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:39:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu All: I have 2 760ED's one is a U9a and one is a U3a I also have: 2 port replicators 2 DOCK1 1 DOCK2 Both of these machines are in perfect condition.... If I were to decide to sell them what would they be worth?? Thanks Gary From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 00:31:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA109679063; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:31:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16549; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:27:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16370; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16358; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts07.loop.net (p00.hwts07.loop.net [207.211.61.225]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09722; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709230425.VAA09722@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Alden S Klovdahl" , "Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 21:27:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: why buy a dvd drive for your thinkpad? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:26:33 +1000 (EST), Alden S Klovdahl wrote: >On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: > >> Will an IBM DVD drive for a 770 also work in "older" models, e.g. the 765? > >why on earth could anyone possibly want a dvd drive?? > >if you travel internationally, to europe, to asia, anywhere else (as i >suspect a higher proportion of thinkpad owners than others do) you can pick >up a local cd-rom - perhaps language, perhaps cultural, perhaps on some >other topic of interest to you, or with some other functionality not locally >available to you - plop it in to your cd-rom drive, and away you go. > >... the cultures of the world, not subject to prior censorship on the basis >of what someone else thinks your interests are (or should be), what someone >else thinks is suitable for you, what someone thinks is marketable in your >home country, are at your fingertips. ...or, at minimum no farther away >than your mailbox. > >now, along comes dvd, and all this changes. dvd disks produced in one global >area will not work in the dvd drive sold to you in your area. so ... you buy >a dvd drive for each area for which you wish to sample the language, culture, >or other offerings? you carry several dvd drives when you travel? > >how can i put it?: buy a dvd drive and support international censorship! > >of course you are really supporting the ability of corporations to charge >the price that earns them the highest profit in each market area. when >markets are geographical distance, when the cost to the prospective buyer >of transporting or converting for local use the product of interest exceeds >the differential sellers earn, then differential pricing to maximize profit >is easily maintained. with a global electronic economy, with high value >items in light, small configurations, transport costs are greatly reduced, >and differential pricing can only be maintained by articfical means, eg, >geographical coding of dvd disks. > >in short, the global electronic economomy is fine, so long as it benefits >sellers, whatever the adverse consequences for buyers. > >alternative views welcomed! > >off the topic? probably. can individuals make a difference? probably not. > >but something to think about when/if you buy a thinkpad again. > >regards, al > > Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 > Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 > > Well, I would never buy a DVD drive unless it has OS/2 and Linux support, otherwise, "forget it"! Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 00:41:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA112699685; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:41:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17003; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:39:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16902; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16831; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts07.loop.net (p00.hwts07.loop.net [207.211.61.225]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA10658; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709230434.VAA10658@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Rubin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 21:35:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 22 Sep 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:36:23 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > From: "Paul Khoury" > > Also, does anyone here (besides myself) use an ATA Flash RAM > card for use as extra storage? > >I have a 10 meg card and have been thinking of getting a larger >card if/when I can afford it. At present I'm not using the flash card >since it was in my Omnibook 300 which now has a broken screen :(((. >I can read the files from it under w95 but I prefer to run Linux. > >The idea of using flash is not as much to have "extra" storage as to >spin down the hard disk and have a machine I can use and access files >on without the noise of a rotating disk. My machine is a 755cx with >40MB of ram. What I'm thinking of doing is one of: > > 1) configure Linux to have 20 mb of regular ram and a 20 meg > ramdisk. At boot time, load the ramdisk with the most commonly > used system programs (for me, that means emacs :)) and spin down > the disk. My user files would be stored on the flash card. Then > I can edit, run "ls", etc. all from the ramdisk without needing > the HD, and when I write out files they go to the flash card so I > still don't need the HD. In case of a crash, my user files are > still saved in flash; the ramdisk contents get lost, but that's > ok since they're just copies of system programs that are on the > HD. I'm not sure how I'd set this up--maybe I'd have to put a > tiny root file system on the flash card, and mount the ramdisk to > some directory on it. > > 2) Give up on the ramdisk idea since it probably involves a lot of > configuration hassle. Buy a much bigger flash card (85 MB > Sandisk card = about $1000) and put a normal small system > installation on it including user files. 85 MB was a lot of > space even for a hard disk not that long ago :). Unfortunately > I haven't got the cash for this now. > For me, 60 MB is a lot of space. I still love getting old MFM, RLL, ESDI, SCSI, and IDE drives, because having 15 systems means no space. >In both cases, the hard disk would be NFS auto-mounted so when I need >a less commonly used file, it would spin up. All the directories in >my normal search path (/bin, /usr/bin, etc.) would be present in >ram or flash, but the less commonly need programs in them would be >replaced by symlinks pointing to the HD. That way if I mis-type a >command name, the HD won't spin up after the filename isn't found >in the ramdisk. > >Comments are welcome, especially ideas about how hard it would be to >carry out idea #1 above. I'm not that much of a Linux configuration >whiz. > Good luck, then. I can setup well, and use programs well, but I am NOT advanced. I'm better at OS/2, but I still enjoy Linux. >Note, one hassle with flash cards is their writing speed is a LOT >slower than hard disks. The current regular Sandisk cards write at >around 300K/sec which is 2x cd-rom speed. The new "double density" >cards are even slower at around 75k/sec (floppy speed), though they >come up to 160 MB (!) in a type 2 pcmcia card. But since I'd normally >just be writing out small files, the slow speed is probably ok. And the access time is good, like <3ms. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 00:48:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA114530122; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:48:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17166; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:42:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17058; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16976; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts07.loop.net (p00.hwts07.loop.net [207.211.61.225]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA10928 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709230436.VAA10928@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 21:37:56 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Other lists Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know of OS/2 and Linux lists where ThinkPads and other portables are discussed? TIA. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 02:46:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA146407186; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:46:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20527; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:38:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20438; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from megsinet.net (megspo.megsinet.net [208.150.39.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20426; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from randolphmax2-22.megsinet.net(really [208.133.78.150]) by megsinet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:38:08 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #3 built 1997-Aug-19) Received: by randolphmax2-22.megsinet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC7C1.84A5B880@randolphmax2-22.megsinet.net>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:39:22 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCC7C1.84A5B880@randolphmax2-22.megsinet.net> From: Dennis Pantazis To: "'thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: RE: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:16:40 -0500 Encoding: 22 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Adaptec MiniSCSI and MiniSCSI Plus are the same devices from Trantor. They are the T348, which is the Plus and most widely available. It is not the greatest SCSI performer though, it is dependant on the parallel port settings. Any drives that you mount are recognized as removable media, so you can not run things like fdisk on those drives. Also, if you connect to a CDROM only you must be carefull on how you configure the drive and to terminate properly. The default SCSI ID for the device is 7, and has no jumpers or options. It is possible to use the deveice in DOS mode too, which is nice to install OS's fromthe CDROM. All you have to do is make sure that the ASAPI and MSCDEX are on the boot disk. I use it under Solaris as the device which to connect to an external SCSI case. All in all I think it is worthwhile device, and a much better choice than a PCMCIA SCSI card, granted keep in mind that throughput is slower. Dennis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 03:14:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153468892; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:14:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21653; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:08:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21561; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithsun.epfl.ch (lithsun.epfl.ch [128.178.72.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21551; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from di.epfl.ch (ballim@lithsun14.epfl.ch [128.178.72.37]) by lithsun.epfl.ch (8.8.7/8.8.0/EPFL-2.1/SERVER) with ESMTP id JAA27592; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:07:59 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: ballim@di.epfl.ch Message-Id: <34276ACD.445E01E2@di.epfl.ch> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:07:57 +0200 From: Afzal Ballim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Alden S Klovdahl Cc: Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: why buy a dvd drive for your thinkpad? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While region coding exists on DVD readers destined for video use, does it for those destined for software use (or is there a difference?). -- Afzal Ballim | Internet: ballim@di.epfl.ch Document Engineering (LITH) | X400: S=ballim;OU=di;O=epfl; EPFL, Lausanne | PRMD=switch;ADMD=400net;C=ch CH-1015 (Switzerland) | http://lithwww.epfl.ch/~ballim Phone: (+41 21) 693 52 34 | fax: (+41 21) 693 52 78 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 03:26:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156179585; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:26:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22522; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:18:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22373; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithsun.epfl.ch (lithsun.epfl.ch [128.178.72.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22361; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from di.epfl.ch (ballim@lithsun14.epfl.ch [128.178.72.37]) by lithsun.epfl.ch (8.8.7/8.8.0/EPFL-2.1/SERVER) with ESMTP id JAA27606; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:14:41 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: ballim@di.epfl.ch Message-Id: <34276C60.443E5B61@di.epfl.ch> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:14:40 +0200 From: Afzal Ballim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ecottrell@doble.com Cc: merlin@neuro.usc.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca Subject: Re: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? -Reply References: <422bb4d0@doblegate.doble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sony have pulled out of the consortium agreement on DVD-RAM, and are going their own way. This is a very *bad thing*, since it means we may see a standards war on the RAM drives (the ones that will interest us the most). -- Afzal Ballim | Internet: ballim@di.epfl.ch Document Engineering (LITH) | X400: S=ballim;OU=di;O=epfl; EPFL, Lausanne | PRMD=switch;ADMD=400net;C=ch CH-1015 (Switzerland) | http://lithwww.epfl.ch/~ballim Phone: (+41 21) 693 52 34 | fax: (+41 21) 693 52 78 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 03:31:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA157279908; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:31:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23013; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:29:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22903; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithsun.epfl.ch (lithsun.epfl.ch [128.178.72.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22893; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from di.epfl.ch (ballim@lithsun14.epfl.ch [128.178.72.37]) by lithsun.epfl.ch (8.8.7/8.8.0/EPFL-2.1/SERVER) with ESMTP id JAA27632; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:26:00 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: ballim@di.epfl.ch Message-Id: <34276F07.BE76B439@di.epfl.ch> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:25:59 +0200 From: Afzal Ballim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ecottrell@doble.com Cc: merlin@neuro.usc.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca Subject: Re: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? -Reply References: <422bb4d0@doblegate.doble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There is another "standards" war (besides the Sony/DVD+RW one). A number of film companies, notably Disney, Universal, and Paramount, had refused to release on DVD because of the ease of pirating. They've now come up with a new, DES-based encryption standard called DIVX, which must be integrated into the DVD drive (i.e., new standard, old drives won't work). A DIVX DVD will be playable for 48 hours. After that period, you can "purchase" additional viewing periods, or convert the disc to an unlimited time one. This is done, apparently, via a modem connection between the DIVX player and some central database. BTW, the Sony DVD+RW standard will be for "naked" discs, no cartridge. -- Afzal Ballim | Internet: ballim@di.epfl.ch Document Engineering (LITH) | X400: S=ballim;OU=di;O=epfl; EPFL, Lausanne | PRMD=switch;ADMD=400net;C=ch CH-1015 (Switzerland) | http://lithwww.epfl.ch/~ballim Phone: (+41 21) 693 52 34 | fax: (+41 21) 693 52 78 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 06:47:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202621668; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:47:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06815; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:42:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06677; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06662; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86044-2>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:41:45 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id MAA24108 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:38:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <19970923124051.01457@seneca.ak.munich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:40:51 +0200 From: Harald Milz To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Q: Subscribe? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 Organization: Linux.DE X-Operating-System: Linux 2.0.29 i486 X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-No-Archive: yes Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, sorry to ask this question this way... someone gave me this address but Majordomo seems not to know about this list. Can any kind soul tell me how I can subscribe? Thanks! Ciao, hm -- "There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain." -- Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 06:56:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204192167; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:56:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07095; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:47:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06959; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04196; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granthil (async16-2.remote.ualberta.ca [129.128.237.11]) by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA12974 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:16:21 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970826101533.006b0044@pop.srv.ualberta.ca> X-Sender: agh1@pop.srv.ualberta.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:15:33 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Grant Hilsenteger Subject: Floppy/Cable for 701 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, First of all, I want to say thanks to everyone who helped me get my mom's 701 back on it's feet. EZServe came through with shining colors for us. And although I have not contributed much to the list, I have really appreciated all the information about TP's that has been broadcast. I have been using the computer for about a month now to complete a project I am working on, and have just started to use the floppy a bit. It is a little eccentric it seems. When I plug it in, the computer doesn't recognize it always on the first go. I comes back with messages like "This disk is not formatted" or "Cannot read from drive A". If I move the drive around a bit (a gentle shake or a repositioning) it sometimes comes back to life, but not always. I'm curious whether anyone else has had a similar problem, and whether the cable or the drive are more likely to break down. I would send it back to EZServe, but it looks as though the previous owner has opened the floppy case or dropped it, as the case is cracked. Looking at prices for replacement drives, I'm hoping that the only problem is with the cable. Cheers, Grant Hilsenteger agh1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca http://www.ualberta.ca/~agh1 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 07:48:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217335338; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:48:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08898; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:45:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08782; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08764; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id EAA03352; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hi-av1.cadence.com(158.140.128.31) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma875015118.003346; Tue Sep 23 04:45:18 1997 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (sj4a-45 [158.140.31.55]) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA10773; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709231144.EAA10773@mailhub.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Mik Tip" From: Don Perley Subject: Re: IBM Announces new chip! Cc: "thinkpad" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:48 PM 9/22/97 -0500, Mik Tip wrote: >On CNN today IBM announced a technology that allows them to >make computer chips from copper, vise aluminum. > >IBM further went on and stated this will dramatically increase the >chip speeds and lower prices. Remember that the CPU used in thinkpads (other than the 8xx series) is made by Intel, not IBM. Look for the speed to show up in computers using powerpc (rs6000, as400, mac, ...). (This from an IBM spokesman) WHEN one of IBM's customers in the x86 business does a redesign to take advantage of the new technology AND IBM decides to use one of these non-intel CPU's in a thinkpad, then you get the benefit. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 09:42:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA249222149; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:42:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14175; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:33:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14015; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slipgate.keysolutions.com (kenyee.xensei.com [204.96.52.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13999; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by slipgate.keysolutions.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525651B.004A7BEC ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:33:34 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: KEY ENTERPRISE SOLUTIONS From: "Ken K. Yee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <8525651B.004A2E2D.00@slipgate.keysolutions.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:33:21 -0400 Subject: Re: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > They've now come up with a new, DES-based encryption standard called DIVX, The worst part of the DIVX standard is that the DIVX disc you just "bought" is locked to the DIVX player you're currently using. I.e., you buy a new DIVX player and *none* of the discs you paid for already work for it. Another "feature" the dimbulbs in the entertainment industry have foisted on us :-( Of course, their response will probably be: "DIVX discs are half the price of DVDs, so you can afford to buy new ones"... ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 09:56:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA252612967; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:56:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15373; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:50:27 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15097; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id JAA06279; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([209.60.190.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24042; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.13] by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ba377365 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:45:17 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4125651A.0035EC3B.00@diddl.mlc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:48:41 -0800 To: Alden S Klovdahl , Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: why buy a dvd drive for your thinkpad? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:26 AM +1000 9/23/97, Alden S Klovdahl wrote: >On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: > >> Will an IBM DVD drive for a 770 also work in "older" models, e.g. the 765? > >why on earth could anyone possibly want a dvd drive?? > >if you travel internationally, to europe, to asia, anywhere else (as i >suspect a higher proportion of thinkpad owners than others do) you can pick >up a local cd-rom - perhaps language, perhaps cultural, perhaps on some >other topic of interest to you, or with some other functionality not locally >available to you - plop it in to your cd-rom drive, and away you go. > >... the cultures of the world, not subject to prior censorship on the basis >of what someone else thinks your interests are (or should be), what someone >else thinks is suitable for you, what someone thinks is marketable in your > > >home country, are at your fingertips. ...or, at minimum no farther away >than your mailbox. > >now, along comes dvd, and all this changes. dvd disks produced in one global >area will not work in the dvd drive sold to you in your area. so ... you buy >a dvd drive for each area for which you wish to sample the language, culture, >or other offerings? you carry several dvd drives when you travel? No you hack the chip, don't forget to turn off the macrovision copy protection at the same time. I don't see myself, a normally early adopter, buying DVD within the next two to three years unless the software floodgates surprizingly open up. I guess if you need it now, though, you need it now. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 10:12:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258133935; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:12:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17122; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:05:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16573; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.173.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16470; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at; id AA12930; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:05:10 +0200 Received: by a0.complang.tuwien.ac.at; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-0112PM) id AA21497; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:05:10 +0200 Message-Id: <19970923160509.52361@complang.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:05:09 +0200 From: "Marinos J. Yannikos" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Introduction/720C owner in Austria Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 X-Url: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/nino/ Organization: TU Wien, E185/1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everyone! I've been the proud owner of a TP 720C (old, but good!) for a couple of weeks now. After some negative experiences with Win95 I installed 3.11, which proved to be the ultimate OS for this system. I tried to install Linux on a small partition, but the MCA bus and PCMCIA hardware turned out to be a bit of an obstacle, so I postponed this plan. I use the TP both at home and at work connected to a LAN. Software that proved to be useful: - X server (demo at the moment) for working on Unix boxes - ssh-win (demo at the moment too, will not buy it - too expensive) Configuration: TP720C with 4MB internal, 4MB IC DRAM card, 160MB ESDI disk. PCMCIA: ne2000 compatible adapter (OVIS), MRT Image Wizard frame grabber card. I'll be looking for more memory and perhaps a sound card and CPU upgrade possibilities in the near future, so any suggestions will be much appreciated. Also, I'm interested in EMM386.EXE options for more high memory (the PCMCIA controller and card drivers take up much conventional memory), at the moment I use FRAME=NONE, which seems to work fine. Regards, -nino (a.k.a. Marinos Yannikos, Assistant Professor at the Univ. of Technology in Vienna, Austria) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 13:01:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015294085; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:01:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27027; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:49:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26670; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (root@netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26640; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id JAA04072 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199709231644.JAA04072@netcom2.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: Hmmm...new thinkpads don't depend on MWave that much? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Some models of the 760 and even the 765 already omit the Mwave. Personally I think mwave is a stupid idea. They should just include a standard audio chip and a standard modem chip instead of making users deal with mwave weirdness. (Mwave is worse for Linux users than Windoze users, but it's a hassle even with Windoze). Re 56k though, Mwave shouldn't have more of a problem with it than it already has at lower speeds. 56k takes *less* cpu cycles than 33.6 from what I've heard. This makes sense because the cpu requirements of a modem come from having to deal with the effects of the analog interface at each end of the phone line. With 56k, only one end of the connection is analog; the other end is digital, so there is less work for the modem to do. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 13:18:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020445115; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:18:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28272; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:06:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28117; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.access.digex.net (mail4.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28104; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail4.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15057; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08591; Tue, 23 Sep 97 13:12:56 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA23768; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:13:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: Hmmm...new thinkpads don't depend on MWave that much? In-Reply-To: <199709231644.JAA04072@netcom2.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Paul Rubin wrote: > Some models of the 760 and even the 765 already omit the Mwave. > Personally I think mwave is a stupid idea. They should just include > a standard audio chip and a standard modem chip instead of making > users deal with mwave weirdness. (Mwave is worse for Linux users > than Windoze users, but it's a hassle even with Windoze). Actually, at the time MWave was a pretty good idea. Instead of hobbling the TP755 with a 14.4 modem for life, MWave let you upgrade it. I think the problem was that IBM made the MWave software dependent on the OS, and they underestimated how quickly modem speeds would quadruple. It took, what, a year and a half? for IBM to bring out the 28.8 upgrade. Obviously there was something wrong in their thinking that software could be made faster than hardware... In contrast, the TP701's modem is also a software modem, but its software runs independent of the TP and OS, thus it works just fine under Linux. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any upgrades for it. (IIRC the chipset that does the 701's Soundblaster emulation had enough processing power left over to do a 14.4/19.2 modem so IBM took advantage of it.) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 14:40:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA046580037; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:40:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03870; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:35:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03722; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03711; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 4280ad60; Tue, 23 Sep 97 14:30:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:31:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4280ad60@doblegate.doble.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "Ken K. Yee" Subject: Re[2]: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? -Reply Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.875039445" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.875039445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >The worst part of the DIVX standard is that the DIVX disc you >just "bought" is locked to the DIVX player you're currently >using. I.e., you buy a new DIVX player and *none* of the discs >you paid for already work for it. Another "feature" the >dimbulbs in the entertainment industry have foisted on us :-( >Of course, their response will probably be: "DIVX discs are half >the price of DVDs, so you can afford to buy new ones"... I do not like this aspect of this as well. It is not "unlimited usage" but "usage until the player breaks." I just realized that when they give you usage they are not changing the disk at all! They must have a eeprom or other device in the player that stores id information from the disk along with a decryption key or information from the authorization center. There is time limit stored for the 48 hour window and no time limit for the unlimited. Given that people like to defeat these things no doubt someone will figure out how the whole system works. I expect to see a device in a year or two that you could use to "clone" authorization data from one player to another. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com --IMA.Boundary.875039445-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 15:03:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA054031377; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:02:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05412; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:56:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05244; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swiss.direct.ca (swiss.direct.ca [199.60.229.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05226; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from van-as-13b06.direct.ca [204.174.251.22] by swiss.direct.ca with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xDa7z-0003TI-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:56:08 -0700 From: "Dayle Riddoch" To: "Don Perley" , "Mik Tip" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 11:57:19 -0800 Reply-To: "Dayle Riddoch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Announces new chip! Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:44:17 -0700 (PDT), Don Perley wrote: >At 07:48 PM 9/22/97 -0500, Mik Tip wrote: >>On CNN today IBM announced a technology that allows them to >>make computer chips from copper, vise aluminum. >> >>IBM further went on and stated this will dramatically increase the >>chip speeds and lower prices. > >Remember that the CPU used in thinkpads (other than the 8xx series) is made >by Intel, not IBM. Look for the speed to show up in computers using powerpc >(rs6000, as400, mac, ...). (This from an IBM spokesman) > >WHEN one of IBM's customers in the x86 business does a redesign to take advantage >of the new technology AND IBM decides to use one of these non-intel CPU's in >a thinkpad, then you get the benefit. > >-Don Perley > >perley@cadence.com > IBM already uses non-Intel chips in some of their ThinkPad models. The 800 series ThinkPads are all PowerPC based. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dayle Riddoch driddoch@direct.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 17:38:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102310677; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:37:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15328; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:29:52 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15094; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id RAA08698; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([207.211.19.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14187; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.13] by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ta378137 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:15:04 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8525651B.004A2E2D.00@slipgate.keysolutions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:16:28 -0800 To: "Ken K. Yee", thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 9:33 AM -0400 9/23/97, Ken K. Yee wrote: >> They've now come up with a new, DES-based encryption standard called >DIVX, > >The worst part of the DIVX standard is that the DIVX disc you >just "bought" is locked to the DIVX player you're currently >using. I.e., you buy a new DIVX player and *none* of the discs >you paid for already work for it. Another "feature" the dimbulbs >in the entertainment industry have foisted on us :-( >Of course, their response will probably be: "DIVX discs are half >the price of DVDs, so you can afford to buy new ones"... If enough suckers buy it, then it works. I figure within two years I will have my AV system integrated with my computers and be able to RECORD and PLAY my own CDROM based video. DVD makes me sick. Technically it is a tiny mouse step "better" than laserdisc, practically it is two baby steps beyond VHS, in marketing Superman just stepped out of the phonebooth. Movie makers have been looking for a way to charge per view for some time though, and it will just depend on if they jump on board. The non-copy stuff is pure consumer fluff, there is no way I can think of that a serious person will not be able to make copies via the output video signal. Something like 4 million VCRs are sold in the USA every year, that is a bit of a trend to buck with a "marginally" better format. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 19:09:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA133296174; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:09:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19547; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:59:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19326; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19274; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03336; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:55:08 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) id IAA10072; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:55:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:55:00 +1000 (EST) To: Afzal Ballim Cc: Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: why buy a dvd drive for your thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <34276ACD.445E01E2@di.epfl.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Afzal Ballim wrote: > While region coding exists on DVD readers destined for video use, > does it for those destined for software use (or is there a > difference?). > i do not know the answer but i would be very surprised if it did not. my belief is that it is an economic/market issue, not a technical issue, and as such software giants as much as entertainment giants would equally have an interest in artificially maintaining regional markets to maximize their profits. that's capitalism ... sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 21:35:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA181104905; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:35:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25297; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:23:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25050; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25035; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:27:07 -0400 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC866.DE9D4740@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:23:00 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCC866.DE9D4740@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FollowUp 701 Power Supply Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:22:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everyone, First a big thanks to all of you who replied regarding my dead power = supply! I just wanted to let all of you know that I have in the meantime = recieved a replacement from EZServe, after they put out a "Code A" for = one. This apparently means the look for it worldwide... Sadly, I didn't get the nifty, small type that I originally had, with = the fold-in prongs, but what is apparently called the international = version. The brick itself is a lot larger, has a longer cable to the = laptop, and a huge plug to fit into the 701 - I mean huge! The cable is = meant to be wrapped around the brick, and has velcro to keep it there. = The major drawback in my view is that it just has a standard receptacle = for power cords, which has to be supplied by, well, me. That means that = to be portable, I have to lug around one of these cables as well, and = they are usually very stiff. Also, this requires a grounded outlet which = the previous power supply didn't need. Therefore, no more cheap = extension cords, and the place I stayed in this summer positively did = not have a single grounded outlet (don't ask...)! To sum it up, the ThinkPad works, but the power supply I'm not really = happy with. Luckily the Thinkpad is going to stay at home for a while... axel ........................................................................= .... . Axel Hartmann = . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA = . . Voice-by-Wire : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Paper-by-Wire on demand = . ........................................................................= .... . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA = 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - = 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu = . . 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R- tv+(++) b++ DI+++ D+ G e+++@ h-->++(*) r++ y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 22:00:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189486437; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:00:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26520; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:48:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26113; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21471; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04761; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:27:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:27:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: pkhoury@juno.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Modem and LAN Adapter Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <19970902.203420.3679.32.pkhoury@juno.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 pkhoury@juno.com wrote: > Since there has been discussion about the Home & Away, > it's "okay". The modem part works well, but I have yet to try > the LAN part, though OS/2 seems to work with the supplied > driver (tip - If your home & away is defective, call IBM. They > shipped my the whole box complete with updated drivers > and manuals!!!). I've been using a H&A on my TP560-120 since I bought it in February. It was a pain to set up in Win95, but works great. I bought it as a "make do" modem/ethernet card and have been happy with it. I am finally replacing it with a 33.6 Motorola Mariner [on the way, should be here tomorrow] and will try that out on the road next week. > I also hear that 3COM makes good products with OS/2 support. > They're expensive, but tech support is friendly, and they have a > lifetime warranty on all their products. I would have preferred to buy a 3COM, but since this Mariner only cost me $129 + S&H.... =) www.onsale.com also has the 28.8 Mariners going for about $100 even with a 10bT cable. I got 33.6 and both 10bT and 10b2 cables in my package. It was worth $20 more IMHO. I hear 3COM has better Linux support, but I don't me see sticking Linux on my TP560 for a few years if ever. > Do any OS/2 users on here know a lot about networking? I am having > problems with MPTS letting me configure my Home & Away (though the > driver seems to initilise the card okay). I have my desktop running Warp 4.0 sometimes [boot manager] with a 3COM Etherlink III. That is all I've ever done with networking OS/2. Well, I networked with Warp 2.1, 3.0 and 4.0 on various incarnations of that same dektop. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 22:09:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA191906963; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:09:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27251; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:04:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27077; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rumor.research.att.com (rumor.research.att.com [192.20.225.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27054; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com ([135.207.30.100]) by rumor; Tue Sep 23 22:01:16 EDT 1997 Received: from hermes.research.att.com ([135.207.16.38]) by research-clone; Tue Sep 23 22:01:01 EDT 1997 Received: from pcjba ([135.205.59.1]) by hermes.research.att.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA28504; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jba@research.att.com Message-Id: <3428747B.48E2201C@research.att.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:01:31 -0400 From: Jont Allen Organization: AT&T Labs - Research, Florham Park NJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Parker Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hinges References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve Parker wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Steve Simonis wrote: > > I'm thinking about getting a TP 560 but have heard that many people have > > problems with the hinges breaking or rapidly wearing out. > > > > I was just wondering if this is in fact a major problem for many owners and > > if so, is there anything that can be done to avoid the problem. > > My TP560-120 was about 10 months old when I bought it, and I have had it > for 7 months or so. I have never had even a hint of trouble with it. I > like this thing. I do not haul it around as much as some people might > though. > > I suppose if you opened the top way too far and were rough with it that > you could break the hinges. You'd have to be pretty rough with it for > that to be a problem though. > > ============================================================================ > ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== > ============================================================================ I have had a 560 for almost a year, and I take it everywhere, and I have had no hint of a problem of this type. I had a battery connector that came loose, and I had to send it back for that problem. It was gone for three days. MOst of that time was fedex's time. jont -- ==> NOTE NEW ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER: Jont B. Allen, Room B009; 973(or 201)/360-8545voice, x8092fax; http://www.research.att.com/~jba; AT&T Labs-Research 180 Park AV; PO Box 971; Florham Park NJ 07932-0971 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 22:23:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA196117801; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:23:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28205; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:18:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27972; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27955; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ron (user-2k7i3n2.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.14.226]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17129 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709240218.WAA17129@brickbat8.mindspring.com> From: "Ron Christian" To: Subject: Compression Agent and TP701C? Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:15:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCC865.CAF46E40" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCC865.CAF46E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Considering using Win95 "Compression Agent" on my TP701C since it only = has a 540 HHD. It is the 75 MHz model with 24 MB Memory. Your opinions, pro or con would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, RonC ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCC865.CAF46E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 Considering using = Win95=20 "Compression Agent" on my TP701C since it only has a 540 HHD. = It is=20 the 75 MHz model with 24 MB Memory.

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RonC ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCC865.CAF46E40-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 22:44:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202419058; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:44:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29109; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:34:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28924; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28912; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gmo (ppp-111.shadow.net [209.4.38.131]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26349; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709240235.WAA26349@anshar.shadow.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Ron Christian" , Subject: Re: Compression Agent and TP701C? Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:33:42 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Considering using Win95 "Compression Agent" on my TP701C since it only has a 540 HHD. It is the 75 MHz model with 24 MB Memory. I currently use Win95's Compression Agent on my TP701CS. It has the bigger hard drive (740mb or something) and runs just fine. Good luck in your quest. Geo, out. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 23:51:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222443089; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:51:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01550; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:42:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01420; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rumor.research.att.com (rumor.research.att.com [192.20.225.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01409; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com ([135.207.30.100]) by rumor; Tue Sep 23 23:40:18 EDT 1997 Received: from hermes.research.att.com ([135.207.16.38]) by research-clone; Tue Sep 23 23:40:51 EDT 1997 Received: from pcjba ([135.205.59.1]) by hermes.research.att.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29239; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jba@research.att.com Message-Id: <34288BF0.688DE0B0@research.att.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:41:36 -0400 From: Jont Allen Organization: AT&T Labs - Research, Florham Park NJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 22 Sep 1997 References: <199709221736.KAA26704@netcom15.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Rubin wrote: > > From: "Paul Khoury" > > Also, does anyone here (besides myself) use an ATA Flash RAM > card for use as extra storage? > > I have a 10 meg card and have been thinking of getting a larger > card if/when I can afford it. At present I'm not using the flash card > since it was in my Omnibook 300 which now has a broken screen :(((. > I can read the files from it under w95 but I prefer to run Linux. > > The idea of using flash is not as much to have "extra" storage as to > spin down the hard disk and have a machine I can use and access files > on without the noise of a rotating disk. My machine is a 755cx with > 40MB of ram. What I'm thinking of doing is one of: > > 1) configure Linux to have 20 mb of regular ram and a 20 meg > ramdisk. At boot time, load the ramdisk with the most commonly > used system programs (for me, that means emacs :)) and spin down > the disk. My user files would be stored on the flash card. Then > I can edit, run "ls", etc. all from the ramdisk without needing > the HD, and when I write out files they go to the flash card so I > still don't need the HD. In case of a crash, my user files are > still saved in flash; the ramdisk contents get lost, but that's > ok since they're just copies of system programs that are on the > HD. I'm not sure how I'd set this up--maybe I'd have to put a > tiny root file system on the flash card, and mount the ramdisk to > some directory on it. > > 2) Give up on the ramdisk idea since it probably involves a lot of > configuration hassle. Buy a much bigger flash card (85 MB > Sandisk card = about $1000) and put a normal small system > installation on it including user files. 85 MB was a lot of > space even for a hard disk not that long ago :). Unfortunately > I haven't got the cash for this now. > > In both cases, the hard disk would be NFS auto-mounted so when I need > a less commonly used file, it would spin up. All the directories in > my normal search path (/bin, /usr/bin, etc.) would be present in > ram or flash, but the less commonly need programs in them would be > replaced by symlinks pointing to the HD. That way if I mis-type a > command name, the HD won't spin up after the filename isn't found > in the ramdisk. > > Comments are welcome, especially ideas about how hard it would be to > carry out idea #1 above. I'm not that much of a Linux configuration > whiz. > > Note, one hassle with flash cards is their writing speed is a LOT > slower than hard disks. The current regular Sandisk cards write at > around 300K/sec which is 2x cd-rom speed. The new "double density" > cards are even slower at around 75k/sec (floppy speed), though they > come up to 160 MB (!) in a type 2 pcmcia card. But since I'd normally > just be writing out small files, the slow speed is probably ok. It seems to me that this is a great idea that could greatly extend the battery life, and make the machine quite. These are both huge pluses. I dont think it is as hard as you think. What you need to do (as I understand it, as a non professional linux user), is to move the real-time stuff to the card, namely the stuff that accesses the disk. If you made links to the files /etc/crontab, and used the hard disk spin down program, it would all work. You might not even need the memory card. Just make a ramdrive from regular memory, with these few files that are frequently accessed by the kernel, and that would solve the "problem." I like it, and I think it might even work. Lets look at this harder. jont -- ==> NOTE NEW ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER: Jont B. Allen, Room B009; 973(or 201)/360-8545voice, x8092fax; http://www.research.att.com/~jba; AT&T Labs-Research 180 Park AV; PO Box 971; Florham Park NJ 07932-0971 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 23 23:53:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223073220; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:53:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01766; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:45:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01636; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01610; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA00913; Tue, 23 Sep 97 17:45:26 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA04701; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:45:57 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709240345.RAA04701@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Compression Agent and TP701C? To: ronaldmc@mindspring.com (Ron Christian) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 17:45:57 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199709240218.WAA17129@brickbat8.mindspring.com>; from "Ron Christian" at Sep 23, 97 9:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Considering using Win95 "Compression Agent" on my TP701C since it only = > has a 540 HHD. It is the 75 MHz model with 24 MB Memory. > Your opinions, pro or con would be greatly appreciated. I did this on my 701 w/340 meg drive - make sure you use the 'improved' version that comes with W95 OSR2 or Plus, is does a better job. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 00:13:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA228414410; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:13:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02733; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:09:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02630; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rumor.research.att.com (rumor.research.att.com [192.20.225.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02619; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com ([135.207.30.100]) by rumor; Wed Sep 24 00:07:20 EDT 1997 Received: from hermes.research.att.com ([135.207.16.38]) by research-clone; Wed Sep 24 00:05:52 EDT 1997 Received: from pcjba ([135.205.59.1]) by hermes.research.att.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA29561; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jba@research.att.com Message-Id: <342891CD.21E678E2@research.att.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:06:37 -0400 From: Jont Allen Organization: AT&T Labs - Research, Florham Park NJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Other lists References: <199709230436.VAA10928@stevie.loop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > Does anyone know of OS/2 and Linux lists > where ThinkPads and other portables are > discussed? TIA. > > Paul Try: http://www.arctic.org/~dgaudet/tp560/ http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html#Models -- ==> NOTE NEW ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER: Jont B. Allen, Room B009; 973(or 201)/360-8545voice, x8092fax; http://www.research.att.com/~jba; AT&T Labs-Research 180 Park AV; PO Box 971; Florham Park NJ 07932-0971 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 01:00:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA243327255; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:00:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04438; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:57:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04289; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04274; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cminns (async16-11.remote.ualberta.ca [129.128.237.20]) by quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA21746 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:57:32 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970924045654.0068cbc0@pop.srv.ualberta.ca> X-Sender: agh1@pop.srv.ualberta.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:56:54 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Grant Hilsenteger Subject: Re: Floppy/Cable for 701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hey, I was wondering where this went. I sent this over 3 weeks ago!! At 10:15 AM 8/26/97 -0600, Grant Hilsenteger wrote: >Hi, > >First of all, I want to say thanks to everyone who helped me get my mom's >701 back on it's feet. EZServe came through with shining colors for us. And >although I have not contributed much to the list, I have really appreciated >all the information about TP's that has been broadcast. I have been using >the computer for about a month now to complete a project I am working on, >and have just started to use the floppy a bit. It is a little eccentric it >seems. When I plug it in, the computer doesn't recognize it always on the >first go. I comes back with messages like "This disk is not formatted" or >"Cannot read from drive A". If I move the drive around a bit (a gentle >shake or a repositioning) it sometimes comes back to life, but not always. >I'm curious whether anyone else has had a similar problem, and whether the >cable or the drive are more likely to break down. I would send it back to >EZServe, but it looks as though the previous owner has opened the floppy >case or dropped it, as the case is cracked. Looking at prices for >replacement drives, I'm hoping that the only problem is with the cable. > >Cheers, > > >Grant Hilsenteger >agh1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca >http://www.ualberta.ca/~agh1 > > > Grant Hilsenteger agh1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 01:57:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259320679; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:57:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06554; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:49:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06400; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core.IConNet.NET (core.IConNet.NET [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06333; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (2071598237.bellatlantic.net [207.159.82.37]) by core.IConNet.NET (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id BAA25787 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3428D6DF.2338@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:01:19 -0700 From: Sir Gwynz Reply-To: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hmmm...new thinkpads don't depend on MWave that much? References: <199709231644.JAA04072@netcom2.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Rubin wrote: > > Some models of the 760 and even the 765 already omit the Mwave. > > Re 56k though, Mwave shouldn't have more of a problem with it than > it already has at lower speeds. 56k takes *less* cpu cycles than > 33.6 from what I've heard. This makes sense because the cpu > requirements of a modem come from having to deal with the effects > of the analog interface at each end of the phone line. With 56k, > only one end of the connection is analog; the other end is digital, > so there is less work for the modem to do. Speaking of which, are X2 and K56 two different standards for 56k modems? I remember way back when 14.4k was new and US Robotics had their HST standard when everything else was v32bis and I was wondering if USR was at it again :) One limitation I seem to recall of the HST standard was that one channel had the transfer rate of 14.4k while the other was limited to 300 baud, and heard something similiar about the 56k modems that you can transfer data at 56k one way, but only 28.8k the other way, is this true? Thanks for any info! SirGwynz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 04:02:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294788158; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 04:02:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13209; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 04:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:59:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12936; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12926; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.48] ([206.18.124.48]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA17516; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:56:06 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3428D6DF.2338@bellatlantic.net> References: <199709231644.JAA04072@netcom2.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:56:24 -0800 To: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Hmmm...new thinkpads don't depend on MWave that much? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 1:01 AM -0800 9/24/97, Sir Gwynz wrote: >Paul Rubin wrote: >> >> Some models of the 760 and even the 765 already omit the Mwave. > >> >> Re 56k though, Mwave shouldn't have more of a problem with it than >> it already has at lower speeds. 56k takes *less* cpu cycles than >> 33.6 from what I've heard. This makes sense because the cpu >> requirements of a modem come from having to deal with the effects >> of the analog interface at each end of the phone line. With 56k, >> only one end of the connection is analog; the other end is digital, >> so there is less work for the modem to do. > >Speaking of which, are X2 and K56 two different standards for 56k >modems? I remember way back when 14.4k was new and US Robotics >had their HST standard when everything else was v32bis and I was >wondering if USR was at it again :) No this is completely different, HST worked. All the 56k stuff is flakey beyond belief. Yes I know, but I always connect at 53k etc., check and you will likely find out that lasts about 3 nanoseconds before renegotiating to a MUCH lower rate, often below 28.8k. After three X2 ISP with 46k connections all the time I have yet to have better than 3.6k/sec file throughput (on a compressed file) day or night. Want to hear a funny one, my current ISP, which I actually like and plan to stay with, Net Wizards, has a download test file of 5 MB. Man its a groove to watch the download rates on that file. Unfortunately it is ALL BLANK, and compressed to 17k on my system (smallest file size I have). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 10:18:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA095490684; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:18:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04224; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:07:29 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03622; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id KAA14361; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24088; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.48] ([206.18.124.44]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA22790; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:26:18 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709240218.WAA17129@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:08:42 -0800 To: "Ron Christian" , From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Compression Agent and TP701C? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 6:15 PM -0800 9/23/97, Ron Christian wrote: > > > Considering using Win95 "Compression Agent" on my TP701C since it only >has a 540 HHD. It is the 75 MHz model with 24 MB Memory. > > > >Your opinions, pro or con would be greatly appreciated. I have never been in a worse mess than when a disc compression thing is envolved. When they work it is like free space, so it is easy to get hooked on them, but a better option is just to clean house, or buy more storage. They don't even have to do anything wrong to really get you hosed once something else is making trouble. I love CDR. $2 to $3 per disc of 650 MB, all my systems can read them, and it leads to a much cleaner way of keeping your hard disc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 12:47:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA140759646; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:47:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13378; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:31:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12995; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.club-internet.fr (mail.club-internet.fr [194.158.96.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12969; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-105-205 (ppp-105-205.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.105.205]) by mail.club-internet.fr (Grolier/MGC-970630-No_Relay) with SMTP id SAA20658; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:30:28 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:32:03 -0400 To: michaelford@usa.net Cc: ronaldmc@mindspring.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Soussi" Subject: Rf. : Re: Compression Agent and TP701C? Message-Id: <875140323-0-yss@club-internet.fr> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <875140323-1-yss@club-internet.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was thinking the same. But I decided to compress my disk on a Thinkpad 700 in 1995 and I never had any problems. I used Warp connect 3 Yves Soussi in Paris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 14:42:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA178036500; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:41:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21114; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:28:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20795; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (phr@netcom7.netcom.com [192.100.81.115]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20692; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id LAA11689 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199709241826.LAA11689@netcom7.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: extending life of trackpoint caps Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've discovered a neat trick for when the cap surface gets hard and smooth. I'd thought that was caused by the cats tongue surface wearing off, meaning the cap needed to be replaced. But it turns out that the cap is just absorbing gunk from my fingertip which dries and hardens. Taking off the cap and rubbing it against my pants leg like a pencil eraser, and picking out the gunk loosened up by doing this, makes the cap usable for quite a bit longer. (Eventually it does wear down). Thought I'd pass this on. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 14:49:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA181196982; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:49:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21960; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:44:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21788; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21708; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 4295cef0; Wed, 24 Sep 97 14:33:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:34:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4295cef0@doblegate.doble.com> To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: FollowUp 701 Power Supply Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.875125996" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. 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Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.875125996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from [199.0.65.19] by doblegate.doble.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 42910b90; Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:08:11 -0400 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8 .8.0/8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16966 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:2 7:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25078; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:23:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25050; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193 ]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25035; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:27:07 -0400 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC866.DE9D4740@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:23:00 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCC866.DE9D4740@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FollowUp 701 Power Supply Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:22:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.875125996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Sadly, I didn't get the nifty, small type that I originally had, with the >fold-in prongs, but what is apparently called the international version. >The brick itself is a lot larger, has a longer cable to the laptop, and a huge >plug to fit into the 701 - I mean huge! The cable is meant to be wrapped around >the brick, and has velcro to keep it there. The major drawback in my Hello, It sounds like the type I got with my TP365ed. I think they are neat. I go to the U.K. so I need the dual voltage one. I went to a computer show and bought a short (6") NEMA cord. Not too bad storing it. I also have a travel kit that has a handy three prong adapter in it for old two prong power plugs as well as adapters for foreign sockets. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com --IMA.Boundary.875125996-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 15:25:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA192379100; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:25:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24129; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:19:49 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24010; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA15429; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19910; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA30392 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:11:49 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCC8F4.15D35C80@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:13:52 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" , Ron Christian Subject: RE: Compression Agent and TP701C? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:10:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 22 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Have a 340 (120Mb) and a 701. Am using the original DriveSpace (1 or 2???) on the 340 for my wife. It's pretty solid, a year's use or so. Far more solid than the compression agent that came with DOS 6.3 which crapped out on us. I expect that the OSR2 Drivespace 3 (~ MS Plus pkg) should also work well & not be limited to the 512Mb max of earlier Drivespaces ---------- From: Ron Christian[SMTP:ronaldmc@mindspring.com] Sent: 1997 September 23 - Tuesday 22:15 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Compression Agent and TP701C? Considering using Win95 "Compression Agent" on my TP701C since it only has a 540 HHD. It is the 75 MHz model with 24 MB Memory. Your opinions, pro or con would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, RonC <> From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 15:42:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA196970113; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:41:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24890; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:29:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24670; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24634; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA03196; Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:29:20 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05063; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:29:50 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709241929.JAA05063@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Compression Agent and TP701C? To: michaelford@usa.net (Mike Ford) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 9:29:50 HST Cc: ronaldmc@mindspring.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Mike Ford" at Sep 24, 97 3:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have never been in a worse mess than when a disc compression thing is > envolved. When they work it is like free space, so it is easy to get hooked > on them, but a better option is just to clean house, or buy more storage. > They don't even have to do anything wrong to really get you hosed once > something else is making trouble. I don't think this is true for the latest version of compression agent for W95. Some of the earlier compression programs for DOS/W3.1 did have bad reputations (and the most stable of them - Superstor - went out of business, I think because it compressed a bit less than the others). Anyone worried about system problems can do what I do - use compression to create a compressed virtual disk, then leave critical system files on the uncompressed disk. On my 701 w/340 megs, I had 100 megs for system stuff, the rest of the disk was doubled and held Office '95, Lotus Smartsuite, a fairly complete TeX system, 2 large statistics packages, and the usual miscelleny of crap that one accumulates on a laptop. Even with the best organization skills this wouldn't have been possible without compression. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 16:53:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218344401; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:53:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29819; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:42:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29556; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29487; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA29509; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:40:43 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199709242040.XAA29509@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 23:40:41 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4295cef0@doblegate.doble.com> Cc: Subject: Re: FollowUp 701 Power Supply X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.35 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 at 02:34 PM you, , said: >>Sadly, I didn't get the nifty, small type that I originally had, with the >>fold-in prongs, but what is apparently called the international version. >>The brick itself is a lot larger, has a longer cable to the laptop, and a huge >>plug to fit into the 701 - I mean huge! The cable is meant to be wrapped around >>the brick, and has velcro to keep it there. The major drawback in my >It sounds like the type I got with my TP365ed. I think they are neat. I >go to the U.K. so I need the dual voltage one. My 701 was purchased in the US by my girlfriend when she was studying there. The US power supply does support dual voltage (I only had to add a small European-type adapter) and it is definitely nicer and much more compact than the European version (the one with the velcro). My boss has a European 701 and he only wishes he had my US power supply :-) Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 18:35:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248710544; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:35:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05821; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:30:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05575; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05541; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwsi.com (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20901 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:26:55 -0600 Message-Id: <3429958E.6D97AC63@wwsi.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:34:54 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Other lists References: <199709230436.VAA10928@stevie.loop.net> <342891CD.21E678E2@research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu http://www.wwsi.com/tp-linux.html -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 20:18:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280806725; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:18:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09990; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:04:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09824; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cplus.cpis.net (cplus.cpis.net [206.155.217.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09813; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wonwiije (ppp75.cpis.net [206.155.217.104]) by cplus.cpis.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10893; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:10:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199709250010.UAA10893@cplus.cpis.net> From: "behildre" To: "Ron Christian" , Subject: Re: Compression Agent and TP701C? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:59:49 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have TP701C --12 Meg ram, windows 95 (I thought 50 Mhz) and a smaller drive. I use compression. Never had a hitch....it just took one heck of a time to compress everything and give me the computer back. I'm thinking it was over five or six hours. bh ---------- From: Ron Christian To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Compression Agent and TP701C? Date: Tuesday, September 23, 1997 7:15 PM Considering using Win95 "Compression Agent" on my TP701C since it only has a 540 HHD. It is the 75 MHz model with 24 MB Memory. Your opinions, pro or con would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, RonC From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 20:25:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282737080; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:24:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10695; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:19:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10569; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10531; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intel ([12.70.20.89]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA10469 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:16:30 +0000 From: "Mik Tip" To: "thinkpad" Subject: WTB: TP HDD Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:16:37 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCC91E.61320080" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970925001629.AAA10469@intel> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC91E.61320080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm looking for a, reasonably priced, larger than 2 gig hard drive for me IBM 760EL Laptop! 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------=_NextPart_000_01BCC91E.61320080-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 20:51:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA290178656; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:50:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11885; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:45:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11731; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us [164.107.107.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11720; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19167 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pcarter@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA24316; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Carter Subject: clock battery for 720 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It appears that I will have to change the clock battery soon in my 720. Can anyone point me to a faq or a hardware manual for the 720 covering this? I would prefer not to have to ship it to a service center for this if possible. If I have to ship it off, does anyone know what the cost of this service would be? Thanks NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 21:29:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003010984; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:29:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13419; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:25:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13205; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13195; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:21:38 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC918.4F506C40@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:33:10 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCC918.4F506C40@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Philip Carter'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: clock battery for 720 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:33:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu http://www3.pc.ibm.com:81/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/hcmobv-2/CCONTENTS this is the Hardware Maintenance Manual but far from finished....sigh. The Book version shows you battery (44G3778 ) lithium being under a cover plate on the bottom. http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts/thinkpad/tpad720.htm this is the boulder parts place and is more usefull. 44G3778 Battery $3.25 Note: shipping is free your welcome ;-} 1-800-765-5944 for parts ..peter.. ---------- From: Philip Carter[SMTP:pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 1:41 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: clock battery for 720 It appears that I will have to change the clock battery soon in my 720. Can anyone point me to a faq or a hardware manual for the 720 covering this? I would prefer not to have to ship it to a service center for this if possible. If I have to ship it off, does anyone know what the cost of this service would be? Thanks NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 22:54:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028256079; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:54:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17018; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:44:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16914; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umunhum.Stanford.EDU (Umunhum.Stanford.EDU [171.64.74.80]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16904; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kevin@localhost) by umunhum.Stanford.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA05321 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:44:34 -0700 From: "Kevin W. Rudd" Message-Id: <199709250244.TAA05321@umunhum.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Q: has anyone seen (heard) a high-pitched whine when closing 365xd? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:44:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu i have a 365xd running linux (redhat 4.2) that emits a shriek through the speaker while closing the lid. it is not directly suspend related and does not happen every time (although since it started it is fairly consistent) but i can't figure out a pattern if there is one. the volume control does affect it. i've run the self-tests in the hardware but don't know what else to look at. i've also looked at the area around the speaker but there doesn't seem to be anything surprising inside. what is puzzling is that today is the first time that i've noticed this in the 6 months that i've had the thinkpad. i'd certainly like to try and isolate the problem before calling ibm about it. thanks for any thoughts... puzzled and deaf, ---K From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 24 23:44:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA043589091; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:44:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19269; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:40:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19117; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19102; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts13.loop.net (p01.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.166]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA15456; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709250339.UAA15456@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dennis Pantazis" , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 20:40:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:16:40 -0500, Dennis Pantazis wrote: >The Adaptec MiniSCSI and MiniSCSI Plus are the same devices from Trantor. > They are the T348, which is the Plus and most widely available. > >It is not the greatest SCSI performer though, it is dependant on the >parallel port settings. Any drives that you mount are recognized as >removable media, so you can not run things like fdisk on those drives. > >Also, if you connect to a CDROM only you must be carefull on how you >configure the drive and to terminate properly. The default SCSI ID for the >device is 7, and has no jumpers or options. Isn't that the default for all SCSI controllers? > >It is possible to use the deveice in DOS mode too, which is nice to install >OS's fromthe CDROM. All you have to do is make sure that the ASAPI and >MSCDEX are on the boot disk. > >I use it under Solaris as the device which to connect to an external SCSI >case. > >All in all I think it is worthwhile device, and a much better choice than a >PCMCIA SCSI card, granted keep in mind that throughput is slower. > Although you need PCMCIA drivers, PCMCIA is still FASTER, and that can make a huge performance difference. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 00:18:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA054811099; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:18:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20563; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:04:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20408; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20398; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts01.loop.net (p07.hwts01.loop.net [207.211.61.52]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA17983; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709250403.VAA17983@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Rubin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 21:05:29 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: re: Hmmm...new thinkpads don't depend on MWave that much? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:44:32 -0700 (PDT), Paul Rubin wrote: >Some models of the 760 and even the 765 already omit the Mwave. >Personally I think mwave is a stupid idea. They should just include >a standard audio chip and a standard modem chip instead of making >users deal with mwave weirdness. (Mwave is worse for Linux users >than Windoze users, but it's a hassle even with Windoze). > Actually, I think Mwave is a good idea, but IBM couldn't sell milk to a cow like Wintel and Micro$oft can. They really should release the source code for Linux, or even SCO or Solaris at the minimum. Why do you think MCA and the PS/2 went out (too bad, the 33MHz bus was FAST on a 386SX-16!). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 00:27:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057711619; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:26:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21802; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:24:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21656; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21646; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts01.loop.net (p07.hwts01.loop.net [207.211.61.52]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA20100; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709250422.VAA20100@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jont Allen" , "Paul Rubin" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 21:23:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 22 Sep 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:41:36 -0400, Jont Allen wrote: >Paul Rubin wrote: >> >> From: "Paul Khoury" >> >> Also, does anyone here (besides myself) use an ATA Flash RAM >> card for use as extra storage? >> >> I have a 10 meg card and have been thinking of getting a larger >> card if/when I can afford it. At present I'm not using the flash card >> since it was in my Omnibook 300 which now has a broken screen :(((. >> I can read the files from it under w95 but I prefer to run Linux. >> >> The idea of using flash is not as much to have "extra" storage as to >> spin down the hard disk and have a machine I can use and access files >> on without the noise of a rotating disk. My machine is a 755cx with >> 40MB of ram. What I'm thinking of doing is one of: >> >> 1) configure Linux to have 20 mb of regular ram and a 20 meg >> ramdisk. At boot time, load the ramdisk with the most commonly >> used system programs (for me, that means emacs :)) and spin down >> the disk. My user files would be stored on the flash card. Then >> I can edit, run "ls", etc. all from the ramdisk without needing >> the HD, and when I write out files they go to the flash card so I >> still don't need the HD. In case of a crash, my user files are >> still saved in flash; the ramdisk contents get lost, but that's >> ok since they're just copies of system programs that are on the >> HD. I'm not sure how I'd set this up--maybe I'd have to put a >> tiny root file system on the flash card, and mount the ramdisk to >> some directory on it. >> >> 2) Give up on the ramdisk idea since it probably involves a lot of >> configuration hassle. Buy a much bigger flash card (85 MB >> Sandisk card = about $1000) and put a normal small system >> installation on it including user files. 85 MB was a lot of >> space even for a hard disk not that long ago :). Unfortunately >> I haven't got the cash for this now. >> >> In both cases, the hard disk would be NFS auto-mounted so when I need >> a less commonly used file, it would spin up. All the directories in >> my normal search path (/bin, /usr/bin, etc.) would be present in >> ram or flash, but the less commonly need programs in them would be >> replaced by symlinks pointing to the HD. That way if I mis-type a >> command name, the HD won't spin up after the filename isn't found >> in the ramdisk. >> >> Comments are welcome, especially ideas about how hard it would be to >> carry out idea #1 above. I'm not that much of a Linux configuration >> whiz. >> >> Note, one hassle with flash cards is their writing speed is a LOT >> slower than hard disks. The current regular Sandisk cards write at >> around 300K/sec which is 2x cd-rom speed. The new "double density" >> cards are even slower at around 75k/sec (floppy speed), though they >> come up to 160 MB (!) in a type 2 pcmcia card. But since I'd normally >> just be writing out small files, the slow speed is probably ok. > >It seems to me that this is a great idea that could greatly extend >the battery life, and make the machine quite. These are both huge >pluses. > >I dont think it is as hard as you think. What you need to do >(as I understand it, as a non professional linux user), is >to move the real-time stuff to the card, namely the stuff >that accesses the disk. If you made links to the files >/etc/crontab, and used the hard disk spin down program, >it would all work. You might not even need the memory card. >Just make a ramdrive from regular memory, with these few files >that are frequently accessed by the kernel, and that would >solve the "problem." > >I like it, and I think it might even work. Lets look at this harder. >jont >-- I'm sure it's not too hard. If one had enough money to spend, a 40MB drive might be able to have X and Emacs (MAYBE), and you could boot with a boot disk and use the mount root=/dev/whatever command, or boot from the hard drive, and mount the Flash card under /USR. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 00:27:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057881655; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:27:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21350; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:19:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21168; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21142; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts01.loop.net (p07.hwts01.loop.net [207.211.61.52]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA19388; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709250416.VAA19388@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Axel Hartmann" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 21:17:57 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FollowUp 701 Power Supply 2 cents Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:22:59 -0400, Axel Hartmann wrote: >Hi everyone, > >First a big thanks to all of you who replied regarding my dead power supply! I just wanted to let all of you know that I have in the meantime recieved a replacement from EZServe, after they put out a "Code A" for one. This apparently means the look for it worldwide... I had that happen to me when I needed a replacement Multiport II. >Sadly, I didn't get the nifty, small type that I originally had, with the fold-in prongs, but what is apparently called the international version. The brick itself is a lot larger, has a longer cable to the laptop, and a huge plug to fit into the 701 - I mean huge! The cable is meant to be wrapped around the brick, and has velcro to keep it there. The major drawback in my view is that it just has a standard receptacle for power cords, which has to be supplied by, well, me. That means that to be portable, I have to lug around one of these cables as well, and they are usually very stiff. Also, this requires a grounded outlet which the previous power supply didn't need. Therefore, no more cheap extension cords, and the place I stayed in this summer positively did not have a single grounded outlet (don't ask...)! >To sum it up, the ThinkPad works, but the power supply I'm not really happy with. Luckily the Thinkpad is going to stay at home for a while... > >axel > I actually like the international power supply better, because the fold-in plug ones are cheaply made (go figure how I found out). However, I admit that right now I am using my 701 in my room, WITH the fold-in adapter (which is always pluged in), on a cheapy extension cord, but the international one is nice, because it doesn't take much space on a surge protector, and yes, I have OTHER large adapters. On mine, I use a 6 (yes, 6) inch cord. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 00:28:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058061703; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:28:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21490; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:20:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21369; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21298; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts01.loop.net (p07.hwts01.loop.net [207.211.61.52]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA19745; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709250419.VAA19745@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dayle Riddoch" , "Don Perley" , "Mik Tip" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 21:21:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Announces new chip! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Sep 97 11:57:19 -0800, Dayle Riddoch wrote: >On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:44:17 -0700 (PDT), Don Perley wrote: > >>At 07:48 PM 9/22/97 -0500, Mik Tip wrote: >>>On CNN today IBM announced a technology that allows them to >>>make computer chips from copper, vise aluminum. >>> >>>IBM further went on and stated this will dramatically increase the >>>chip speeds and lower prices. >> >>Remember that the CPU used in thinkpads (other than the 8xx series) is made >>by Intel, not IBM. Look for the speed to show up in computers using powerpc >>(rs6000, as400, mac, ...). (This from an IBM spokesman) >> >>WHEN one of IBM's customers in the x86 business does a redesign to take advantage >>of the new technology AND IBM decides to use one of these non-intel CPU's in >>a thinkpad, then you get the benefit. >> >>-Don Perley >> >>perley@cadence.com >> > >IBM already uses non-Intel chips in some of their ThinkPad models. The >800 series ThinkPads are all PowerPC based. > And some of the 365 machines use Cyrix 5x86-100 chips. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 00:35:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA060252141; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:35:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22192; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:28:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21914; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (phr@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21841; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id VAA24411 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:25:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199709250425.VAA24411@netcom19.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't remember the 770 being discussed here but I just saw a blurb about it in a PC magazine and checked IBM's web page. It is AWESOME. I've totally lost interest in 760's. Surprisingly the base model 770 (200 mhz Tillamook, 3 gb disk, 32 meg SD ram, 13.3" XGA TFT screen) is advertised for around $5000 in the PC mag. This is less than the top 765 costs and it seems like a better machine in every way. The flagship 770 with the 14" screen and 5 gb disk is around $7k. One thing not clear from the web page is they've abandoned the 760's tilting keyboard. They also seem to use a standard Crystal audio chip instead of the ##($%&#% MWave. Plus there are improvements to the Trackpoint, upgradability to 256M of ram, etc. Wow! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 02:08:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087817731; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:08:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22163; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:23:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19199; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19189; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-228.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.228]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA164778; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:25:58 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970922090037.00960820@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:00:37 -0400 To: From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Betr.: RE: dvd drive on 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4125651A.0035EC3B.00@diddl.mlc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:51 AM 9/22/97 +0100, you wrote: >Will an IBM DVD drive for a 770 also work in "older" models, e.g. the 765? > I don't see how it could - they've changed the bays completely. The keyboard doesn't lift up anymore. Everything slides in from the side now. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 02:28:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA092788901; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:28:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26248; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:24:58 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26124; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id CAA19511; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP08 (upimsrgsmtp08.msn.com [207.68.152.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25208; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upmajb02.msn.com - 204.95.110.74 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:54:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 22:19:34 UT From: "Laurence Larsen" <71420666@classic.msn.com> Message-Id: To: "Steve Parker" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Hinges Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 560 is one of the best laptops ever made for durability, in my opinion. One year old with lots of round the world mileage it blows away everything I've had before including the Toshiba Libretto (great machine) and the 701c (also SUPERB machine) which I hold onto for sentimental reasons. Buy it! Now. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Parker Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 1:08 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hinges On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Steve Simonis wrote: > I'm thinking about getting a TP 560 but have heard that many people have > problems with the hinges breaking or rapidly wearing out. > > I was just wondering if this is in fact a major problem for many owners and > if so, is there anything that can be done to avoid the problem. My TP560-120 was about 10 months old when I bought it, and I have had it for 7 months or so. I have never had even a hint of trouble with it. I like this thing. I do not haul it around as much as some people might though. I suppose if you opened the top way too far and were rough with it that you could break the hinges. You'd have to be pretty rough with it for that to be a problem though. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 02:52:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA098750347; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:52:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21176; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:59:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20837; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20825; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA19926; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:59:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA23186; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gginsberg.cs.mci.com ([166.32.97.180]) by imeid03.mcit.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA2294; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:59:05 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:53:23 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gregg Ginsberg To: "'Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Betr.: RE: dvd drive on 770 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:00:04 -0400 Organization: executiveONE R&D X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Monday, September 22, 1997 5:51 AM, Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de [SMTP:Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de] wrote: > Will an IBM DVD drive for a 770 also work in "older" models, e.g. the 765? Word from the big guys is no. There's a lot more hardware required than just the drive itself for DVD...mainly a decoding chipset which you'd be hard pressed to retrofit to a 760-series machine. If you use a Selectadock I or II you might want to investigate an the DVD Blaster from Creative Labs or some other product. --- Gregg Ginsberg executiveONE R&D MCI Telecommunications Phone: (202) 887-3045, v220-3045 MCI Mail: 207-9482 Email: Gregg.Ginsberg@MCI.Com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 02:57:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA100570678; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:57:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12022; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:39:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11765; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (phr@netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11616; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA26704; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:36:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:36:23 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199709221736.KAA26704@netcom15.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 22 Sep 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From: "Paul Khoury" Also, does anyone here (besides myself) use an ATA Flash RAM card for use as extra storage? I have a 10 meg card and have been thinking of getting a larger card if/when I can afford it. At present I'm not using the flash card since it was in my Omnibook 300 which now has a broken screen :(((. I can read the files from it under w95 but I prefer to run Linux. The idea of using flash is not as much to have "extra" storage as to spin down the hard disk and have a machine I can use and access files on without the noise of a rotating disk. My machine is a 755cx with 40MB of ram. What I'm thinking of doing is one of: 1) configure Linux to have 20 mb of regular ram and a 20 meg ramdisk. At boot time, load the ramdisk with the most commonly used system programs (for me, that means emacs :)) and spin down the disk. My user files would be stored on the flash card. Then I can edit, run "ls", etc. all from the ramdisk without needing the HD, and when I write out files they go to the flash card so I still don't need the HD. In case of a crash, my user files are still saved in flash; the ramdisk contents get lost, but that's ok since they're just copies of system programs that are on the HD. I'm not sure how I'd set this up--maybe I'd have to put a tiny root file system on the flash card, and mount the ramdisk to some directory on it. 2) Give up on the ramdisk idea since it probably involves a lot of configuration hassle. Buy a much bigger flash card (85 MB Sandisk card = about $1000) and put a normal small system installation on it including user files. 85 MB was a lot of space even for a hard disk not that long ago :). Unfortunately I haven't got the cash for this now. In both cases, the hard disk would be NFS auto-mounted so when I need a less commonly used file, it would spin up. All the directories in my normal search path (/bin, /usr/bin, etc.) would be present in ram or flash, but the less commonly need programs in them would be replaced by symlinks pointing to the HD. That way if I mis-type a command name, the HD won't spin up after the filename isn't found in the ramdisk. Comments are welcome, especially ideas about how hard it would be to carry out idea #1 above. I'm not that much of a Linux configuration whiz. Note, one hassle with flash cards is their writing speed is a LOT slower than hard disks. The current regular Sandisk cards write at around 300K/sec which is 2x cd-rom speed. The new "double density" cards are even slower at around 75k/sec (floppy speed), though they come up to 160 MB (!) in a type 2 pcmcia card. But since I'd normally just be writing out small files, the slow speed is probably ok. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 03:04:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102051056; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 03:04:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22136; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:23:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22008; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21857; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA15038 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:21:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nas-nh1-21.ix.netcom.com(204.32.195.53) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015027; Mon Sep 22 09:21:12 1997 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970922142947.006a9708@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: s@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:29:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Sorrentino Subject: Hello, PCMCIA drive, and a question... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I just joined the group on Friday. About two weeks ago, I=20 bought a 170MB Viper drive and have had no problems with it=20 so far. Using DriveSpace3, from Windows '95 Plus I doubled=20 the entire disk. I paid $130US which included shipping=20 (from California to Massachusetts/New Hampshire, UPS ground) At the end of this message I have included the advert. that=20 I replied to to buy the disk. The one thing I would like to do is get the machine to treat=20 this drive as it does the internal drive. That is in terms=20 of shutting it down when hibernating, etc. Does anyone know=20 how to do that? Specifically, when the machine hibernates=20 that disk is seems to get unmounted. When I open the lid=20 or un hibernate it some other way I have to wait for it to mount=20 back up. Things get even worse if I have an application up=20 that has a file opened on that disk. BTW: The hardware I have is a TP701C, 40MB RAM, 360MB=20 internal, the PCMCIA disk (170MB), and a Xircom(SP) ethernet=20 card. That configuration works great, except of course how=20 the PCMCIA disk is handled during hibernation. =20 Thanks, Peter The PCMCIA disk ad: Accurite Technologies' inventory of PCMCIA Hard Drives has=20 been greatly reduced. Act now to get the remaining drives >from our August blowout sale: Viper 170Mb $130 24 Remaining MiniStor 42/84Mb $ 55 17 Remaining Remember, these close-out prices INCLUDE SHIPPING! (within the Continental US) See http://www.accurite.com/ata.html Call us at 510-668-4900 (PST) or mailto:sales@accurite.com Thanks, Jim Buell Sales Manager http://www.accurite.com At 01:31 PM 9/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >I've seen 170MB PCMCIA hard drive's! >But at over $300 each their quite "pricey"! > >I've opted for an external 3.5 gig hard drive >connected up with an external kit to my parallel port! >At $400, it's a much more "economical" option! > > Mik > >> From: Paul Khoury=20 >> Subject: PCMCIA Hard Drive >> Date: Sunday, September 21, 1997 2:58 AM >>=20 >> Has anyone seen the 40 MB Western Digital PCMCIA hard drive >> from Surplus Direct, or own this or a compatible card? I am running >> out of space, and need more storage method ideas, as my 5MB flash >> gets filled up quickly also.

I've= seen 170MB PCMCIA hard drive's!
But at over $300 each their quite= "pricey"!

I've opted for an external 3.5 gig hard= drive
connected up with an external kit to my parallel port!
At $400,= it's a much more "economical" option!

=             &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;         Mik

>= From: Paul Khoury
> Subject: PCMCIA Hard Drive
>=20Date:= Sunday, September 21, 1997 2:58 AM
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> Has anyone seen the 40= MB Western Digital PCMCIA hard drive
> from Surplus Direct, or own= this or a compatible card?  I am running
>  out of space,= and need more storage method ideas, as my 5MB flash
> gets filled up= quickly also.  

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------=_NextPart_000_01BCC96A.CDA525C0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 05:54:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA145271286; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:54:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10216; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:50:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10131; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10119; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA12061; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:49:02 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199709250949.MAA12061@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 12:48:59 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970826101533.006b0044@pop.srv.ualberta.ca> Cc: Grant Hilsenteger Subject: Re: Floppy/Cable for 701 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.35 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 at 10:15 AM you, Grant Hilsenteger , said: >I am working on, and have just started to use the floppy a bit. It is a >little eccentric it seems. When I plug it in, the computer doesn't >recognize it always on the first go. I comes back with messages like >"This disk is not formatted" or "Cannot read from drive A". If I move the >drive around a bit (a gentle shake or a repositioning) it sometimes comes >back to life, but not always. I'm curious whether anyone else has had a I'm not sure whether this is of any help but I got the same messages under OS/2 until I added the following parameters to 'BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD' in CONFIG.SYS: /A:0 /U:0 /CL:AT. These force recognition of a hot-swapped floppy drive. Maybe there's something equivalent for Win95/WinNT, either of which you appear to be using based on the X-mailer line of your message. Or then your hardware may be broken. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 08:55:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189332114; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:55:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16094; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:46:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15955; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15944; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts00.loop.net (p20.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.35]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA24500; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709251244.FAA24500@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Grant Hilsenteger" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 05:45:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Floppy/Cable for 701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Sep 97 12:48:59 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 at 10:15 AM you, Grant Hilsenteger >, said: > >>I am working on, and have just started to use the floppy a bit. It is a >>little eccentric it seems. When I plug it in, the computer doesn't >>recognize it always on the first go. I comes back with messages like >>"This disk is not formatted" or "Cannot read from drive A". If I move the >>drive around a bit (a gentle shake or a repositioning) it sometimes comes >>back to life, but not always. I'm curious whether anyone else has had a > >I'm not sure whether this is of any help but I got the same messages under >OS/2 until I added the following parameters to 'BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD' in >CONFIG.SYS: /A:0 /U:0 /CL:AT. These force recognition of a hot-swapped >floppy drive. Maybe there's something equivalent for Win95/WinNT, either >of which you appear to be using based on the X-mailer line of your >message. Or then your hardware may be broken. I don't think you need special parameters for NT or 95, after all, they are DOS! Also, maybe your disk is bad. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 09:14:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA194483269; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:14:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17305; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:09:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17159; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17149; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from claudia.kodak.com by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA04271 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:05:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199709251305.AA04271@kodakr.kodak.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:03:00 -0400 From: "King, Randall" Subject: New IBM Workpad? To: thinkpad X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just checked out IBM's page on the new Workpad. It looks like it is just an OEM'ed Pilot. Has anyone seen any more info on these? Are they really made by USR? How about cost? RK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 09:44:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202735054; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:44:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18566; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:29:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18358; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18338; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12624; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:29:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([168.183.16.19]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12610; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:29:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925092722.00957760@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:27:22 -0400 To: "King, Randall" , thinkpad From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New IBM Workpad? In-Reply-To: <199709251305.AA04271@kodakr.kodak.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:03 AM 9/25/97 -0400, King, Randall wrote: >I just checked out IBM's page on the new Workpad. It looks like it is just >an OEM'ed Pilot. Has anyone seen any more info on these? Are they really >made by USR? How about cost? > http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/workpad/ yes $399 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 11:00:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225589655; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:00:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24013; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:45:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22992; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fred.ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (n136en3.enr.gov.ab.ca [199.214.136.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22717; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:42:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from energy.enr.gov.ab.ca by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #8429) id <01IO1XQZSHHS8Y7WLM@ags.enr.gov.ab.ca>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:40:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:40:11 -0700 (MST) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca Subject: Re: Floppy/Cable for 701 -Reply To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: agh1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Message-Id: <342A77AF.7712.1755.000@energy.enr.gov.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: 09/25/1997 08:39 am (Thursday) From: Grant Hilsenteger To: energy.smtpgw("THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu") CC: energy.smtpgw("agh1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca"), Subject: Re: Floppy/Cable for 701 -Reply No, it's not a bad disk, because after the cable/drive is moved around abit, it recognizes the disk. I'm thinking that either the cable or the drive is damaged somehow. I've seen the drives on sale for 100 bucks, and I don't know how much the cables are. I just don't know whether EZServe would take the drive back to look at because it looks like it has been opened up by the previous owner. >>> energy.smtpgw."pkhoury@loop.com" 09/25/97 06:46am >>> On Thu, 25 Sep 97 12:48:59 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 at 10:15 AM you, Grant Hilsenteger >, said: > >>I am working on, and have just started to use the floppy a bit. It is a >>little eccentric it seems. When I plug it in, the computer doesn't >>recognize it always on the first go. I comes back with messages like >>"This disk is not formatted" or "Cannot read from drive A". If I move the >>drive around a bit (a gentle shake or a repositioning) it sometimes comes >>back to life, but not always. I'm curious whether anyone else has had a > I don't think you need special parameters for NT or 95, after all, they are DOS! Also, maybe your disk is bad. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 11:06:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA227100017; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:06:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24109; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:52:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23883; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23719; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (root@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com [15.62.120.180]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id HAA21850 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpbs2240 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hpbs2240.boi.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA22658 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Sender: deanc@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com Message-Id: <342A7950.A1F@boi.hp.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:46:40 -0600 From: Dean Cashen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New IBM Workpad? References: <199709251305.AA04271@kodakr.kodak.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu King, Randall wrote: > > I just checked out IBM's page on the new Workpad. It looks like it is just > an OEM'ed Pilot. Has anyone seen any more info on these? Are they really > made by USR? How about cost? It's a Palm Pilot Pro that IBM's OEMing. I've read that aside from silkscreening the new name, there are no changes between the WorkPad and Pilot (in fact, the compatible software list for the WorkPad on IBM's page points to Palm's website). FWIW, I've been using the Palm Pilot Pro with my TP760CD for 4 or 5 months now, and I love it. I needed something simple and portable, and the Pilot fills the bill. I believe the price is the same as the Pilot Pro ($399). Dean From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 11:27:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233421230; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:27:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26004; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:12:21 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25816; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id LAA22098; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23370; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-71.usc.edu [128.125.224.71]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id HAA25893; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970925075012.00760e70@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:50:18 -0700 To: "King, Randall" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: New IBM Workpad? Cc: thinkpad Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:03 AM 9/25/97 -0400, King, Randall wrote: > >I just checked out IBM's page on the new Workpad. It looks like it is just >an OEM'ed Pilot. Has anyone seen any more info on these? Are they really >made by USR? How about cost? That's precisely what it is--a Pilot in a black case with an IBM logo. Don't know about cost. I read about it in some industry reports a few days ago. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 15:16:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007404997; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:16:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09357; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:45:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09083; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09063; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:42:00 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC9A9.A8AB8400@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:53:37 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCC9A9.A8AB8400@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Kevin W. Rudd'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: has anyone seen (heard) a high-pitched whine when closing 365xd? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:53:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yeah..It's called feedback. go to your mixer and either toggle the Mic input to speaker or adjust the volume. There are 2 mixers in a sense. One is for everything that goes to the speaker ie The OUT mixer (also called PLAY), the other is for everything that can be recorded. The fact that it varies is due to (many things ;-} ) the amount of noise that the mic picks up when you close it and how loud the speaker is at this point. If you were using Faxworks with voice it will enable to mic to speaker path and adjust the gain every time. This permits the speaker phone to work in full duplex. ..peter.. ---------- From: Kevin W. Rudd[SMTP:kevin@umunhum.Stanford.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 12:44 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Q: has anyone seen (heard) a high-pitched whine when closing 365xd? i have a 365xd running linux (redhat 4.2) that emits a shriek through the speaker while closing the lid. it is not directly suspend related and does not happen every time (although since it started it is fairly consistent) but i can't figure out a pattern if there is one. the volume control does affect it. i've run the self-tests in the hardware but don't know what else to look at. i've also looked at the area around the speaker but there doesn't seem to be anything surprising inside. what is puzzling is that today is the first time that i've noticed this in the 6 months that i've had the thinkpad. i'd certainly like to try and isolate the problem before calling ibm about it. thanks for any thoughts... puzzled and deaf, ---K From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 15:52:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020857147; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:52:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12052; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:30:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11829; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11812; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:26:43 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC9AF.E9035220@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:38:22 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCC9AF.E9035220@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Kevin W. Rudd'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: has anyone seen (heard) a high-pitched whine when closing 365xd? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:38:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu "This guy is running Linux " ..Duh ? Feeling a little foolish right now re the faxworks stuff. Read first ..then answer...Read first ..then answer...... Feedback is possible even if you aren't running a "mixer" since it's just a bit somewhere at some IO address. Or do you have a mixer /sound controll in Linux ? ...peter.. ..snip.. i have a 365xd running linux (redhat 4.2) that emits a shriek through puzzled and deaf, ---K From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 16:16:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029198608; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:16:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13524; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:52:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13291; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umunhum.Stanford.EDU (Umunhum.Stanford.EDU [171.64.74.80]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13280; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kevin@localhost) by umunhum.Stanford.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA12724; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:14 -0700 From: "Kevin W. Rudd" Message-Id: <199709251950.MAA12724@umunhum.Stanford.EDU> Subject: re: mixer To: machule@triumf.ca (tisol) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BCC9AF.E9035220@sfupc.Triumf.CA> from "tisol" at Sep 25, 97 12:38:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > "This guy is running Linux " ..Duh ? > Feeling a little foolish right now re the faxworks stuff. > Read first ..then answer...Read first ..then answer...... no problem! pc's should run windows, right? (shameless plugh inserted automagically by the microsoft internet mail filter agent) > Feedback is possible even if you aren't running a "mixer" since it's just a bit > somewhere at some IO address. > Or do you have a mixer /sound controll in Linux ? not that i've ever used, but it might be around somewhere. i'll definitely poke around and see. thanks! ---K From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 16:31:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA033949503; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:31:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14591; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:07:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14435; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VNET.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [204.146.168.194]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14351; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BOULDER by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 1014; Thu, 25 Sep 97 16:06:24 EDT Received: by BOULDER (XAGENTA 4.0) id 3053; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:04:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by a1a.boulder.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22188; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:00:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:00:33 -0600 (MDT) From: "Tony Apuzzo" X-Sender: apuzzo@a1a.boulder.ibm.com To: "Kevin W. Rudd" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Q: has anyone seen (heard) a high-pitched whine when closing 365xd? In-Reply-To: <199709250244.TAA05321@umunhum.Stanford.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think the 365x has the same design feature(!) that the 760 has... If you look carefully, you will find that built-in microphone comes within 1cm or less of the speaker when the lid is closed. You are hearing feedback. Either disable/mute the microphone, or suspend via "Fn-F4" before closing the lid. -Tony On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Kevin W. Rudd wrote: > i have a 365xd running linux (redhat 4.2) that emits a shriek through > the speaker while closing the lid. it is not directly suspend related > and does not happen every time (although since it started it is fairly > consistent) but i can't figure out a pattern if there is one. the > volume control does affect it. i've run the self-tests in the > hardware but don't know what else to look at. i've also looked at the > area around the speaker but there doesn't seem to be anything > surprising inside. what is puzzling is that today is the first time > that i've noticed this in the 6 months that i've had the thinkpad. > i'd certainly like to try and isolate the problem before calling ibm > about it. > > thanks for any thoughts... > > puzzled and deaf, > ---K =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tony Apuzzo Voice: 303-924-1483 VM: BOULDER(APUZZO) I/T Specialist FAX: 303-924-1898 Internet: apuzzo@vnet.ibm.com IBM Global Services, bldg 26N, 5600 N 63rd Ave, Boulder, Colorado 80314 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 19:37:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA093320630; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:37:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04901; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:31:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04656; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from megsinet.net (megspo.megsinet.net [208.150.39.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04646; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from randolphmax1-68.megsinet.net(really [208.133.78.68]) by megsinet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:30:49 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #3 built 1997-Aug-19) Received: by randolphmax1-68.megsinet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC9E1.52466160@randolphmax1-68.megsinet.net>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:32:04 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCC9E1.52466160@randolphmax1-68.megsinet.net> From: Dennis Pantazis To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'w.t.brown'" Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:07:25 -0500 Encoding: 17 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu 1. Disable hibernation via the powerswitch if its enabled. If enabled it replaces power cycling with hibernation. 2. Is it the Windoze hourglass or the IBM BIOS hourglass? To get it, press F1 at boot, so you can run the diagnostics etc... there is a way to reset the hardware settings, but i forget. Best to call TP Support. 3. Are you at the latest BIOS revision? Go to the IBM TP support pages to find out. 4. You might want to try the PowerToys and KernelToy utilities from MS to figure out your system. One in particular is TweakUI. It is a control panel applette that allows you to get boot choices and function keys at boot (Normal, Safe-Mode, Cmd prompt only, logged etc...). Its good under 95 and supposedly NT-Intel. (Thanks Dave Ross for pointing me to it). Dennis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 21:40:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127758006; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:40:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10383; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:33:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10106; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10096; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p16.hwts03.loop.net (p16.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.121]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA26802; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709260129.SAA26802@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "King, Randall" , "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 07:08:27 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New IBM Workpad? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know what operating system the WorkPad uses? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 22:07:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135589638; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:07:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12408; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:01:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12195; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12132; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts04.loop.net (p26.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.161]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA27915; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709260157.SAA27915@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 19:02:09 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Floppy/Cable for 701 -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:40:11 -0700 (MST), HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca wrote: >Date: 09/25/1997 08:39 am (Thursday) >From: Grant Hilsenteger >To: energy.smtpgw("THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu") >CC: energy.smtpgw("agh1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca"), >Subject: Re: Floppy/Cable for 701 -Reply > >No, it's not a bad disk, because after the cable/drive is moved around >abit, it recognizes the disk. I'm thinking that either the cable or the drive is >damaged somehow. I've seen the drives on sale for 100 bucks, and I >don't know how much the cables are. I just don't know whether EZServe >would take the drive back to look at because it looks like it has been >opened up by the previous owner. > Just call IBM and tell them it doesn't work. I had to open mine up, because I had problems then, and didn't want to use the floppy in a different machine. They asked no questions, ever. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 22:10:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136269824; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:10:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11623; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:52:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11483; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11473; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-172.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.172]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA33298; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:52:43 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925215049.009a4270@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:50:49 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" , "thinkpad" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New IBM Workpad? In-Reply-To: <199709260129.SAA26802@ritchie.loop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:08 AM 9/25/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >Does anyone know what operating system the WorkPad >uses? > PalmOS I think. From everything I've seen and heard, the only changes are the black case, red button and IBM's name on it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 22:10:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136439848; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:10:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12259; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:00:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12015; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11935; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts04.loop.net (p26.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.161]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA27821; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709260155.SAA27821@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dennis Pantazis" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "w.t.brown" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 18:59:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:07:25 -0500, Dennis Pantazis wrote: >1. Disable hibernation via the powerswitch if its enabled. If enabled it >replaces power cycling with hibernation. > >2. Is it the Windoze hourglass or the IBM BIOS hourglass? To get it, >press F1 at boot, so you can run the diagnostics etc... there is a way to >reset the hardware settings, but i forget. Best to call TP Support. > On the 701, you hold both mouse buttons down until your OS starts, and the options will be reset. >3. Are you at the latest BIOS revision? Go to the IBM TP support pages to >find out. > >4. You might want to try the PowerToys and KernelToy utilities from MS to >figure out your system. One in particular is TweakUI. It is a control >panel applette that allows you to get boot choices and function keys at >boot (Normal, Safe-Mode, Cmd prompt only, logged etc...). Its good under >95 and supposedly NT-Intel. (Thanks Dave Ross for pointing me to it). > Doesn't OS/2 and Linux already do that (just wondering)? >Dennis > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 22:17:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA138520238; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:17:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12688; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:04:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12515; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12450; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts04.loop.net (p26.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.161]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA27977; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709260158.SAA27977@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Jane Loyless" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 19:03:27 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New IBM Workpad? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:50:49 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 07:08 AM 9/25/97, Paul Khoury wrote: > >>Does anyone know what operating system the WorkPad >>uses? >> > >PalmOS I think. From everything I've seen and heard, the only changes are >the black case, red button and IBM's name on it. > Anyone know what CPU, speed, and amount of RAM (memory and storage)/ROM? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 22:28:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA141680899; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:28:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13894; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:23:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13768; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umunhum.Stanford.EDU (Umunhum.Stanford.EDU [171.64.74.80]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13758; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kevin@localhost) by umunhum.Stanford.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA15848 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:24:08 -0700 From: "Kevin W. Rudd" Message-Id: <199709260224.TAA15848@umunhum.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Re: shriek while closing case [hopefully solved] To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:24:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu thanks for the replies. here's a long winded post mortem.... although i'm not completely convinced that it is solved, i feel pretty good that i've fixed one part of the problem. the pointers about feedback from the microphone led me to further investigations and after asking the right questions i found some man pages that happened to be the right utilities. it hadn't crossed my mind that the microphone would be even active---i guess that i just figured that linux ignored it (well, maybe it does---i it could be the bios that set it up). so: for those interested, linux does have controls for the mixer. they're "aumix" (command line and curses) and "xmixer" (X11). it turns out that the mixer was set for 7%. this doesn't sound like much but at a volume level of 3.5 or so tapping or brushing a finger over the microphone causes audible scratching. even though the microphone and speaker are on opposite sides, closing the case must create a sufficient channel that the feedback becomes significant under the right circumstances. by turning the microphone mixing percent up (testing!) there was strong and clear feedback. so i set up an entry in the rc.local script to turn this off during boot. i'm counting on this happening early enough not to be a big deal but decided to punt using the SVR4 init levels and just add the feature to the bsd-like rc.local that is built in to the SVR4 init tree by red hat for lazy bums like me. if there are other bums out there who might want this script, here it is in all of it's simplicity (substitute the appropriate path if required!): # fix the audio so that we don't hear feedback from the microphone if [ -x /usr/bin/aumix ] ; then echo "audio: microphone is OFF to prevent feedback"; /usr/bin/aumix -m 0 fi and a final note---it seems that aumix's curses mode screws up the mouse buttons in the xterm that it is run in so beware! so thanks for the replies---they definitely helped! ---K From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 25 23:40:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161595223; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:40:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16802; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:31:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16692; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16678; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p16.hwts09.loop.net (p16.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.61]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA01697 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709260326.UAA01697@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 20:31:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux on a Flash card Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu So, does anyone know if I *might* be able to get Linux on a 5MB flash card? I might be able to spare 40MB (a FAT partition), but I don't know if that's enough for X. I'd be running Slackware, installing from floppies. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 00:11:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171847106; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:11:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18813; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:06:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18653; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18635; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA00932; Thu, 25 Sep 97 18:06:51 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA11897; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:07:23 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709260407.SAA11897@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 18:07:22 HST Cc: chessie@megsinet.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, wtbrown@gte.net In-Reply-To: <199709260155.SAA27821@ritchie.loop.net>; from "Paul Khoury" at Sep 25, 97 6:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Doesn't OS/2 and Linux already do that (just wondering)? Paul, I think the proportion of TP560 owners using OS/2 or Linux is almost indistinguishable from zero. - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 01:48:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201462930; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:48:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21372; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:45:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21276; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21265; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p16.hwts00.loop.net (p16.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.31]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA07710; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709260541.WAA07710@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "chessie@megsinet.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "wtbrown@gte.net" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 22:46:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Sep 97 18:07:22 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Doesn't OS/2 and Linux already do that (just wondering)? > >Paul, I think the proportion of TP560 owners using OS/2 or Linux is >almost indistinguishable from zero. > >- David R. > > Optimistically thinking, I'm sure there's got to be at least a few who don't have Windows NT or Win95, aka DOS 7. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 03:10:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224227846; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:10:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23946; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:03:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23694; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de (root@tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23679; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (devil.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.214]) by tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26424; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:00:12 +0200 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:03:00 +0200 (MEST) From: Michael Eyrich To: tisol Cc: "'Kevin W. Rudd'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: has anyone seen (heard) a high-pitched whine when closing 365xd? In-Reply-To: <01BCC9AF.E9035220@sfupc.Triumf.CA> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, FB Informatik +49-30-31426713 * * michey@prz.tu-berlin.de ** http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~michey/ * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, tisol wrote: | "This guy is running Linux " ..Duh ? | Feeling a little foolish right now re the faxworks stuff. | Read first ..then answer...Read first ..then answer...... | Feedback is possible even if you aren't running a "mixer" since it's just a bit | somewhere at some IO address. | Or do you have a mixer /sound controll in Linux ? setmixer ?-:) | | ..snip.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, FB Informatik +49-30-31426713 * * michey@prz.tu-berlin.de ** http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~michey/ * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 03:41:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232449680; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:41:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25916; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:38:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25832; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25822; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:36:50 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:36:40 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 In-Reply-To: <199709260407.SAA11897@tarski.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, David Ross wrote: > Paul, I think the proportion of TP560 owners using OS/2 or Linux is > almost indistinguishable from zero. Regarding Linux that's definitely not the case. It may well be true for those doing presentations most of their time but it's different in academia... Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 06:24:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272369493; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:24:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07637; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:21:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07450; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eunet.ch (mail.eunet.ch [146.228.10.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07440; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.esec.com (ns.esec.com [194.191.93.34]) by mail.eunet.ch (8.8.6/1.34) via ESMTP id KAA05052 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:21:06 GMT env-from (carsten.seibert@esec.com) Received: from snoopy.esec.com (snoopy.esec.com [194.191.93.97]) by ns.esec.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA16530 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:20:37 +0200 (METDST) Received: from blanc (blanc.esec.com [194.191.94.144]) by snoopy.esec.com (8.8.3/8.8.2.1) with SMTP id MAA14116 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:16:19 +0200 (METDST) Sender: carsten.seibert@esec.com Message-Id: <342B8C73.7EC3@esec.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:20:35 +0200 From: Carsten Seibert Organization: ESEC SA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Power level at mircophone jack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I just installed IBM's Simply Speaking Gold on my TP760ED with NT4.0. Now I'm struggling with the provided headset. The speaker works fine but the micophone does not. After going through the supplied notes (not really a manual), I found a notice about the requirement for sufficient power at the mic jack (due to an active mic). Does the TP supply power at the mic jack and if so, how much? If the power is not sufficient, are there solutions for my problem? Every input is of course appriciated because I'm dying to get into "voice-controlling" my lagtop - sit back and talk to your computer ;-) Thanks, Carsten _______________________________________________ Carsten Seibert +41 41 749 5455 Software Engineer cs@esec.com ESEC SA, Cham, Switzerland From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 07:57:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293785061; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:57:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09975; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:54:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09850; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09835; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14116; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:54:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([168.183.16.15]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA14100; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:54:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970926075246.00996460@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:52:46 -0400 To: Carsten Seibert , Thinkpad mailing list From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Power level at mircophone jack In-Reply-To: <342B8C73.7EC3@esec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:20 PM 9/26/97 +0200, Carsten Seibert wrote: >Does the TP supply power at the mic jack and if so, how much? >If the power is not sufficient, are there solutions for my problem? > No Yes - http://www.andreaelectronics.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 09:04:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012549075; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:04:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12396; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:56:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12138; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16958; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA19610; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:35:20 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199709160135.VAA19610@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock To: zalo9@tri-lakes.net (JC Zalog) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BCC1EB.E3D69EE0@jczalog> from "JC Zalog" at Sep 15, 97 03:26:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I am trying to attach an Hewlett Packard SureStore 6020 CD Writer to my TP > 755cx. The TP is docked in the Dock I. I know I can attach the CD via a > SCSI-2 card, but the slot in the dock is currently occupied. > > I have been told there is a SCSI port on the Dock. If this is true, is > there a cable available? Could someone provide me with the part number and > where I might find a cable that would attach the CD writer to my dock? The part number is 32G4143, and is priced around $60 or so, as I recall. But be warned that in my experience, the Dock I SCSI subsystem is a poor performer; it might not be up to the task of providing the sustained transfer rates that CD writers require. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 09:42:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024371346; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:42:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15399; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:35:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15117; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP08 (upimsrgsmtp08.msn.com [207.68.152.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15082; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upmajb09 - 204.95.110.82 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:34:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:34:16 UT From: "Laurence Larsen" <71420666@classic.msn.com> Message-Id: To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: FW: Gripe about Davecarso Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Beware of on-line auctions.......this is Haggle.com Just in case any of you were thinking of picking up a cheap Thinkpad on the Internet.. Caveat emptor. This Dave Carson guy had zero complaints pending against him when we ordered. L Larsen -----Original Message----- From: J. Michael Bassham Sent: Saturday, September 27, 1997 2:16 AM To: Doug Salot Cc: Laurence Larsen; taulbee@christcom.net; dak@nauticom.net; bert@jbedesigns.com Subject: Re: Gripe about Davecarso Doug Salot wrote: > > Have you tried the phone number available from the "seller info" feature > on the site directory (left-most link on the link bar)? > > I'll suspend the seller's account until somebody tells me this matter has > been resolved. > > Doug Salot > Haggle Online > http://www.haggle.com > > On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Laurence Larsen wrote: > > > Haggle.com has refused to publish repeated complaints about this Orange > > County,California resident since the recipient has to review them first before > > they are disclosed to unsuspecting bidders. Based on his list of > > advertisements (ending in late August) and the gripes (it is very unusual for > > someone to have ZERO positives and 4 negatives), I believe we've all been > > hosed as he has stopped advertising because of all the "pending" (better read: > > unapproved by him) negative publicity. He seemed like a nice guy in his email > > exchanges to me so I am very surprised by the turn of events in the past month > > but have run out of patience. > > > > My emails to him have gone unanswered, the product paid for, and I don't know > > what's is happening seven weeks after paying for an HP Scanjet II sheet > > feeder. > > > > Suggestions? I assume you all have his address. > > > > L.P. Larsen > > Dave Carson cashed my $71 check on August 28 and I never received the merchandise. As in the case of L. P. Larsen, he never answered my emails. Haggle's method and slowness of publishing gripes is very unsatisfactory. Mike Bassham. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 10:50:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045195435; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:50:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19821; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:33:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19491; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19442; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (root@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com [15.62.120.180]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id HAA09794; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpbs2240 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hpbs2240.boi.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA23179; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Sender: deanc@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com Message-Id: <342BC67E.7A67@boi.hp.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:28:14 -0600 From: Dean Cashen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New IBM Workpad? References: <199709260158.SAA27977@ritchie.loop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:50:49 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: > > >At 07:08 AM 9/25/97, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > >>Does anyone know what operating system the WorkPad > >>uses? > > > >PalmOS I think. From everything I've seen and heard, the only changes are > >the black case, red button and IBM's name on it. > > > Anyone know what CPU, speed, and amount of RAM (memory and > storage)/ROM? The Palm Pilot is definitely not lacking in web-resources. Try the FAQ at: http://www.pilotfaq.com/ It explains a lot about the Pilots, both old and new, and has links to other pages. And if you wanna know all about the "guts" of the pilot, try: http://www.massena.com/darrin/pilot/luiz/hardware.htm Luiz has torn his apart and build a pretty good page about what's inside. Regards, Dean From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 12:14:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070850431; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:13:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25673; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:00:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25291; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (root@chickasaw.gate.net [198.206.134.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25196; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dakota.gate.net (mgilula@dakota.gate.net [199.227.0.13]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA43760; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:59:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (mgilula@localhost) by dakota.gate.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA58234; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:00:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dakota.gate.net: mgilula owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Marshall Gilula To: Tim Tyhurst Cc: JC Zalog , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock In-Reply-To: <199709160135.VAA19610@dogmead.excelsior.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My brother gave me a Dock I which I found would let my TP755CD simply plug-and-play except for the sound (MWave). I am running WW3.11 and the sound actually comes out of the dock speakers but at an extremely low, nearly inaudible level. I checked out the wiring of the dock I and it appears to be intact. An ignorant techie at IBM told me I'd have to use an external patching chord (microstereo to RCA males ) but that yielded zero sound. My brother tells me that when I upgrade my TP755CD to W95, the W95 will automagically correct this. Does anyone with a Dock I have similar experience or any information with which to enlighten me? private or list email gratefully accepted. -73- Marshall mgilula@gate.net On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > I am trying to attach an Hewlett Packard SureStore 6020 CD Writer to my TP > > 755cx. The TP is docked in the Dock I. I know I can attach the CD via a > > SCSI-2 card, but the slot in the dock is currently occupied. > > > > I have been told there is a SCSI port on the Dock. If this is true, is > > there a cable available? Could someone provide me with the part number and > > where I might find a cable that would attach the CD writer to my dock? > > The part number is 32G4143, and is priced around $60 or so, as I recall. > But be warned that in my experience, the Dock I SCSI subsystem is a poor > performer; it might not be up to the task of providing the sustained > transfer rates that CD writers require. > > tim > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 12:30:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA076571406; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:30:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27384; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:25:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27182; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27159; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.8.6) id LAA19534 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:25:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default (lax2.lax.net [206.230.213.102]) by mail.execpc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA06116 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:25:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970926112539.007afb40@mail.execpc.com> X-Sender: lee_js@mail.execpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:25:39 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Jay S. Lee" Subject: CD Drive and recording Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hey all, Is there a way to save sounds from the CD Drive? Whenever I use a program like Cooledit it will play the CD but then when I try to record the sound turns off as if the sound chip can't do both at the same time... Thanks, Jay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 13:04:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089783462; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:04:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28822; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:42:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28631; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gauss.ee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28617; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by gauss.ee.calpoly.edu (8.8.5/ELEE) with SMTP id JAA02209; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970926094031.006b7450@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:40:31 -0700 To: Marshall Gilula , Tim Tyhurst From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: Attaching SCSI device to TP Dock Cc: JC Zalog , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <199709160135.VAA19610@dogmead.excelsior.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sound works for my TP755CD in my Dock I using both win95 and Linux. It's probably a driver problem. I haven't tried win3.1 though. You might want to try to play a dos game that has sound to see if it works. Just exit to dos, type "mwgames on" to load SB emulation and start the game. If the sound works fine, then it's just the win3.1 drivers. -Mike At 12:00 PM 9/26/97 -0400, Marshall Gilula wrote: >My brother gave me a Dock I which I found would let my TP755CD >simply plug-and-play except for the sound (MWave). I am running >WW3.11 and the sound actually comes out of the dock speakers but >at an extremely low, nearly inaudible level. I checked out the >wiring of the dock I and it appears to be intact. An ignorant >techie at IBM told me I'd have to use an external patching chord >(microstereo to RCA males ) but that yielded zero sound. My >brother tells me that when I upgrade my TP755CD to W95, the >W95 will automagically correct this. Does anyone with a Dock I >have similar experience or any information with which to enlighten >me? > >private or list email gratefully accepted. >-73- >Marshall >mgilula@gate.net > > >On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Tim Tyhurst wrote: > >> > I am trying to attach an Hewlett Packard SureStore 6020 CD Writer to my TP >> > 755cx. The TP is docked in the Dock I. I know I can attach the CD via a >> > SCSI-2 card, but the slot in the dock is currently occupied. >> > >> > I have been told there is a SCSI port on the Dock. If this is true, is >> > there a cable available? Could someone provide me with the part number and >> > where I might find a cable that would attach the CD writer to my dock? >> >> The part number is 32G4143, and is priced around $60 or so, as I recall. >> But be warned that in my experience, the Dock I SCSI subsystem is a poor >> performer; it might not be up to the task of providing the sustained >> transfer rates that CD writers require. >> >> tim >> > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 13:07:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090533595; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:06:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29807; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:58:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29608; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fred.ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (n136en3.enr.gov.ab.ca [199.214.136.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29485; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:56:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from energy.enr.gov.ab.ca by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (PMDF V5.0-6 #8429) id <01IO3GSWGTW08Y84YN@ags.enr.gov.ab.ca>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:56:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:56:11 -0700 (MST) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca Subject: CD Drive and recording -Reply To: lee_js@execpc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <342BE8D0.7712.1BA5.000@energy.enr.gov.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: 09/26/1997 10:54 am (Friday) From: Grant Hilsenteger To: energy.smtpgw("thinkpad@cs.utk.edu"), energy.smtpgw("lee_js@execpc.com") Subject: CD Drive and recording -Reply I know that when I did some multimedia work at the University, we had to hotwire a switch into the sound card (Roland RAP-10) that would allow us to do this. Another way is to take a cable out of the front of the CD player and run it into the soundcard. A little goofy and certainly not purely digital.....but I haven't really tried to do it strictly with software either. I'm sure there is an easier way to do it. Grant >>> energy.smtpgw."lee_js@execpc.com" 09/26/97 10:25am >>> Hey all, Is there a way to save sounds from the CD Drive? Whenever I use a program like Cooledit it will play the CD but then when I try to record the sound turns off as if the sound chip can't do both at the same time... Thanks, Jay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 14:16:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA113797782; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:16:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05771; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:05:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05461; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05424; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA09023 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:04:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701C Multiport II mouse Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been trying to get a mouse to work from the Multiport II, and basically what I've been plugging in (with an adapter) is a serial mouse. Is that wrong--I have to go out and get a standard ps/2 port mouse, which is what Win95 thinks I've got (via the Trackpoint)? Alternatively I could put the mouse on the Multiport II serial port and install a driver for it. The 9.01 driver that came with the serial mouse is considered deficient by Windows95 and it says I should get an Intellipoint driver (and presumably mouse also). Does this sound right? Thanks, I feel real dumb. Annelise From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 15:18:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136651485; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:18:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13079; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:05:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12847; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12837; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:02:12 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCCA75.87873220@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:12:59 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCCA75.87873220@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Power level at mircophone jack Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:12:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu http://www.onsale.com/category/Multimedia.htm has these every day for $9. plus $7 for transpo ..peter.. Andrea Electronics NC-50 Microphone Headset for the PC $9.00 ---------- From: Jane Loyless[SMTP:jloyless@netbox.com] Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 4:52 AM To: Carsten Seibert; Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Power level at mircophone jack At 12:20 PM 9/26/97 +0200, Carsten Seibert wrote: >Does the TP supply power at the mic jack and if so, how much? >If the power is not sufficient, are there solutions for my problem? > No Yes - http://www.andreaelectronics.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 15:51:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148613497; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:51:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15818; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:42:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15467; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15441; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts09.loop.net (p22.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.67]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA26800; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709261939.MAA26800@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Carsten Seibert" , "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 12:43:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Power level at mircophone jack Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:20:35 +0200, Carsten Seibert wrote: >Hello, > >I just installed IBM's Simply Speaking Gold on my TP760ED with NT4.0. >Now I'm struggling with the provided headset. The speaker works fine but >the micophone does not. >After going through the supplied notes (not really a manual), I found a >notice about the requirement for sufficient power at the mic jack (due >to an active mic). >Does the TP supply power at the mic jack and if so, how much? >If the power is not sufficient, are there solutions for my problem? > >Every input is of course appriciated because I'm dying to get into >"voice-controlling" my lagtop - sit back and talk to your computer ;-) > > >Thanks, >Carsten >_______________________________________________ >Carsten Seibert +41 41 749 5455 >Software Engineer cs@esec.com >ESEC SA, Cham, Switzerland > I was actually able to speak to my server with Warp 4's VoiceType, including dictation, but my microphone was a cheap 4 ohm speaker >from a portable boombox. About your problem, you might be able to get a mic at Radio Shack, if you're in the US. It's expensive, but it has batteries to power the mic. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 15:51:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148693504; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:51:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15576; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:39:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15282; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15269; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts09.loop.net (p22.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.67]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA26724 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709261936.MAA26724@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 06:44:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Media Vision CD-ROM thread Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I forgot to mention this for those curious about the Media Vision SCSI-2 CD-ROM; It gets VERY VERY HOT, after maybe a minimum of 1 hour. It feels like the ThinkPad (on the bottom) after the battery is finished charging. Just thought I'd mention this. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 15:57:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA150303823; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:57:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16001; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:44:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15663; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15443; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA02532; Fri, 26 Sep 97 09:42:06 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12246; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:42:39 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709261942.JAA12246@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 To: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 9:42:38 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Christoph Eyrich" at Sep 26, 97 9:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: > > > Paul, I think the proportion of TP560 owners using OS/2 or Linux is > > almost indistinguishable from zero. Christoph Eyrich wrote: > > Regarding Linux that's definitely not the case. It may well be true > for those doing presentations most of their time but it's different > in academia... What do you base your "definitely" on? Note that I'm specifically referring to the 560, which has different use demographics than other IBM Thinkpad models. Also, I understand there are some hassles involved in getting Linux working on the 560, including afterboot patching of the display and floppy drivers (e.g., running cy9382 in startx), and kernel to make features like suspend/resume work. Plus, I don't think that PS2.exe gives as extensive control over the 560 low-level features as does the "W95 Features" program. Why is it different in academia? I'm an academic myself; if anything, this ties me in even tighter to W95 (since my university's site license/academic discount arrangements are for W95 versions of software - I think this is true for most US universities). I don't doubt that a fair number of 560 users use Linux - I like it myself, though it would be impractical for me to have it on my laptop(s). I just suspect that the *fraction* of 560 owners running Linux is very very small. Note to Paul: Calling W95 "DOS 7" is not entirely fair. I agree that MS is still way behind in the catch up game, but W95 is a valiant effort, and a huge improvement over W3.1. I frequently miss W95 features when working on my Sparc - this was never the case for W3.1 - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 16:01:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152274091; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:01:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16526; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:51:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16377; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16323; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rocky.summa4.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: rocky.summa4.com [206.67.6.1]) id QQdisd25457; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.summa4.com ([10.254.1.9]) by rocky.summa4.com via smtpd (for relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) with SMTP; 26 Sep 1997 19:50:57 UT Received: from summa4.summa4.com (summa4.summa4.com [10.254.1.1]) by Summa4.COM (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA02353; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hal.summa4.com (kend@hal.summa4.com [10.1.1.13]) by summa4.summa4.com (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA00750; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:49:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Linux on a Flash card In-Reply-To: <199709260326.UAA01697@ritchie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think you'd have no problem getting a _bare bones_ Linux on 5Mb. But you'd be pretty much limited to a prompt. Good luck! On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > So, does anyone know if I *might* be able to get Linux on a 5MB flash card? > I might be able to spare 40MB (a FAT partition), but I don't know if that's > enough for X. I'd be running Slackware, installing from floppies. > > Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 16:16:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156954980; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:16:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18440; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:07:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17943; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17799; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-182.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.182]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA08608; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:06:57 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970926160447.00951de0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:04:47 -0400 To: tisol From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: Power level at mircophone jack Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" In-Reply-To: <01BCCA75.87873220@sfupc.Triumf.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks, but I think that's just the headset which Carsten already has. It's the battery pack that is missing, and it has to be purchased separately. Jane At 12:12 PM 9/26/97 -0700, tisol wrote: >http://www.onsale.com/category/Multimedia.htm >has these every day for $9. plus $7 for transpo >..peter.. >Andrea Electronics NC-50 Microphone Headset for the PC $9.00 > >---------- >From: Jane Loyless[SMTP:jloyless@netbox.com] >Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 4:52 AM >To: Carsten Seibert; Thinkpad mailing list >Subject: Re: Power level at mircophone jack > >At 12:20 PM 9/26/97 +0200, Carsten Seibert wrote: > >>Does the TP supply power at the mic jack and if so, how much? >>If the power is not sufficient, are there solutions for my problem? >> > >No > >Yes - http://www.andreaelectronics.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 16:17:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA157645023; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:17:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17414; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:01:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17214; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17085; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts09.loop.net (p22.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.67]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA27395; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709261956.MAA27395@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , "David Ross" Cc: "ross@math.hawaii.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:00:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 26 Sep 97 9:42:38 HST, David Ross wrote: >I wrote: >> >> > Paul, I think the proportion of TP560 owners using OS/2 or Linux is >> > almost indistinguishable from zero. > >Christoph Eyrich wrote: >> >> Regarding Linux that's definitely not the case. It may well be true >> for those doing presentations most of their time but it's different >> in academia... > >What do you base your "definitely" on? Note that I'm specifically referring >to the 560, which has different use demographics than other IBM Thinkpad >models. Also, I understand there are some hassles involved in getting >Linux working on the 560, including afterboot patching of the >display and floppy drivers (e.g., running cy9382 in startx), and kernel >to make features like suspend/resume work. Plus, I don't think that PS2.exe >gives as extensive control over the 560 low-level features as does the "W95 Features" >program. > But it runs better because of a VERY low overhead. Any Linux user knows that. >Why is it different in academia? I'm an academic myself; if anything, this >ties me in even tighter to W95 (since my university's site license/academic >discount arrangements are for W95 versions of software - I think this is true >for most US universities). > My best friend is going to the California Polytechnic College in Pomona, and they still use VAXes as well as Macs and Suns primarily. >I don't doubt that a fair number of 560 users use Linux - I like it myself, >though it would be impractical for me to have it on my laptop(s). I just >suspect that the *fraction* of 560 owners running Linux is very very small. > >Note to Paul: Calling W95 "DOS 7" is not entirely fair. I agree that MS is still >way behind in the catch up game, but W95 is a valiant effort, and a huge improvement >over W3.1. No comment; I don't want to offend Microsoft fans. I frequently miss W95 features when working on my Sparc - this was never >the case for W3.1 > I look forward to using a 'nix box. When I get to use a 95 box, I feel frustrated enough to format the hard drive. >- David > > Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 16:53:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA178777181; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:53:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20889; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:38:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20701; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20683; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id NAA06740; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hi-av1.cadence.com(158.140.128.31) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma875306269.006735; Fri Sep 26 13:37:49 1997 Received: (from perley@localhost) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA29706; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:36:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199709262036.NAA29706@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Subject: Re: 701C Multiport II mouse To: andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu (Annelise Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Annelise Anderson" at Sep 26, 97 11:04:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I use a ps/2 mouse, but if you need a serial driver you can try poking around the websites for Microsoft and/or the company that made the mouse. That approach works pretty well for printer drivers. -Don Perley > > I've been trying to get a mouse to work from the Multiport II, > and basically what I've been plugging in (with an adapter) is > a serial mouse. > > Is that wrong--I have to go out and get a standard ps/2 port > mouse, which is what Win95 thinks I've got (via the Trackpoint)? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 16:56:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA179947408; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:56:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21530; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:43:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21343; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21332; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22962; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:43:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22955; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:43:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970926164117.00986880@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:41:17 -0400 To: tisol From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: Power level at mircophone jack Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BCCA81.94FF9120@sfupc.Triumf.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You may be right, and they may be bundling an auxiliary power supply with it. If so, that's a great bargain since the power supply alone is $14.95 >from Andrea. Please let us know! Thanks, Jane At 01:39 PM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >AHHHHH. >I have one, will try it this weekend. >It has a little adapter that says power and goes inline with the mic. >No idea what it does.....hey.. I'm just an Engineering Tech ;-} >..peter.. > >---------- >From: Jane Loyless[SMTP:jloyless@netbox.com] >Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 1:04 PM >To: tisol >Cc: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' >Subject: RE: Power level at mircophone jack > >Thanks, but I think that's just the headset which Carsten already has. >It's the battery pack that is missing, and it has to be purchased separately. > >Jane > >At 12:12 PM 9/26/97 -0700, tisol wrote: > >>http://www.onsale.com/category/Multimedia.htm >>has these every day for $9. plus $7 for transpo >>..peter.. >>Andrea Electronics NC-50 Microphone Headset for the PC $9.00 >> >>---------- >>From: Jane Loyless[SMTP:jloyless@netbox.com] >>Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 4:52 AM >>To: Carsten Seibert; Thinkpad mailing list >>Subject: Re: Power level at mircophone jack >> >>At 12:20 PM 9/26/97 +0200, Carsten Seibert wrote: >> >>>Does the TP supply power at the mic jack and if so, how much? >>>If the power is not sufficient, are there solutions for my problem? >>> >> >>No >> >>Yes - http://www.andreaelectronics.com >> > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 17:13:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185978433; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:13:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23264; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:06:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23085; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (root@netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05966; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA06328; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:29:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:29:14 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199709251729.KAA06328@netcom15.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: linux and flash disks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I'm sure it's not too hard. If one had enough money to spend, a 40MB >drive might be able to have X and Emacs (MAYBE), and you >could boot with a boot disk and use the mount root=/dev/whatever >command, or boot from the hard drive, and mount the >Flash card under /USR. 40 MB is more than plenty for X, Emacs, and other basic utilities. Remember that 40 MB was a respectably sized disk drive when those programs were written. But there are some problems with doing things so simply: 1) If the root is on the hard disk, it still seems likely to spin up every now and then. So it's probably best to have the root on the flash card. 2) If /usr is on the flash card, a lot of the files and directories there must be replaced by symlinks pointing to the hard disk. 3) If the hard disk is mounted as a file system, I still fear that it might spin up unnecessarily sometimes. So it may be necessary to automount it by NFS and unmount it when not in use. But all of this should be doable with some effort. Somewhat harder is the case with the 10 MB flash card, which is not really enough for the most common system and user files. For that case, the idea of putting system files into a ramdisk and user files on the flash card sounds doable, but more work. It's kind of interesting to see what happens to OS configuration when ram is cheaper than "disk" space. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 17:51:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA198630677; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:51:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25820; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:46:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25623; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25589; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA02998; Fri, 26 Sep 97 11:46:21 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA12354; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:46:53 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709262146.LAA12354@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 11:46:53 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199709261956.MAA27395@ritchie.loop.net>; from "Paul Khoury" at Sep 26, 97 1:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > My best friend is going to the California Polytechnic College in Pomona, and > they still use VAXes as well as Macs and Suns primarily. Probably most university networks are build around unix boxes - I'm typing this on a Sparc 5 myself. However, I neither maintain nor buy software for this machine personally. We were talking about the TP560, what operating systems do a substantial number of people run on it, and whether location of any of these people at universities is relevant to the latter question. As an academic I can get deals on software in Mac and Windows versions; while this wouldn't *stop* me from putting Linux on my machine, it certainly wouldn't encourage me either. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 18:37:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214253472; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:37:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27619; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:29:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27503; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27488; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts10.loop.net (p14.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.89]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA02643; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709262225.PAA02643@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Ken D'Ambrosio" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:06:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux on a Flash card Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:49:46 -0400 (EDT), Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: >I think you'd have no problem getting a _bare bones_ Linux on 5Mb. But >you'd be pretty much limited to a prompt. Good luck! That's all I'd really want anyways, along with maybe Hangman and tetris for terminals. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 19:44:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235327492; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:44:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00520; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:41:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00271; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00251; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts09.loop.net (p00.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.45]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA05192; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709262337.QAA05192@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Paul Rubin" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 16:37:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: linux and flash disks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:29:14 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: >>I'm sure it's not too hard. If one had enough money to spend, a 40MB >>drive might be able to have X and Emacs (MAYBE), and you >>could boot with a boot disk and use the mount root=/dev/whatever >>command, or boot from the hard drive, and mount the >>Flash card under /USR. > >40 MB is more than plenty for X, Emacs, and other basic utilities. >Remember that 40 MB was a respectably sized disk drive when those >programs were written. But there are some problems with doing things >so simply: > 1) If the root is on the hard disk, it still seems likely to spin > up every now and then. So it's probably best to have the root > on the flash card. > 2) If /usr is on the flash card, a lot of the files and directories > there must be replaced by symlinks pointing to the hard disk. > 3) If the hard disk is mounted as a file system, I still fear that > it might spin up unnecessarily sometimes. So it may be necessary > to automount it by NFS and unmount it when not in use. > >But all of this should be doable with some effort. > >Somewhat harder is the case with the 10 MB flash card, which is >not really enough for the most common system and user files. >For that case, the idea of putting system files into a ramdisk >and user files on the flash card sounds doable, but more work. > >It's kind of interesting to see what happens to OS configuration >when ram is cheaper than "disk" space. > I think that I might be willing to try it out, and put the hibernation file on another partition. So, how can I get a Slackware kernel with APM, PCMCIA, and ESS688 support, where I DON'T have to compile it myself? I want X, some of the terminal games (not all), XLock, and "maybe" XEmacs. I don't really know much about Emacs in general, except that it is apparently a must-have program for UNIX users. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 19:44:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235367493; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:44:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00518; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:41:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00292; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00261; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts09.loop.net (p00.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.45]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA05187; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709262337.QAA05187@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 16:28:48 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 26 Sep 97 11:46:53 HST, David Ross wrote: >> My best friend is going to the California Polytechnic College in Pomona, and >> they still use VAXes as well as Macs and Suns primarily. > >Probably most university networks are build around unix boxes - I'm typing this >on a Sparc 5 myself. However, I neither maintain nor buy software for this machine >personally. We were talking about the TP560, what operating systems do a substantial >number of people run on it, and whether location of any of these people at universities is relevant >to the latter question. As an academic I can get deals on software in Mac and Windows versions; >while this wouldn't *stop* me from putting Linux on my machine, it certainly wouldn't >encourage me either. > >- David > > Well, I could get a great deal on OS/2 - $89 for the academic edition, which is no different than the regular one. And they do have support for the 560. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 20:07:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242648870; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:07:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01782; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:04:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01501; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01466; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts09.loop.net (p24.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.69]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA05993 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709270001.RAA05993@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 17:05:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux on small ThinkPad drive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was just thinking - If I don't put on X Emacs, could I have Internet access, so I can at least do email, in addition to my OS/2 mailer. Text is fine. Or does Emacs function as a mailer? I've never gotten aqainted with Elm, Pine, or Emacs, so I don't know too much. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 20:08:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242978927; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:08:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01672; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:03:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01375; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01365; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwsi.com (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA32239; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:00:54 -0600 Message-Id: <342C4E8C.DC6884F1@wwsi.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:08:44 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , Paul Rubin Subject: Re: linux and flash disks References: <199709262337.QAA05192@ritchie.loop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Why would you want Slackware? Do either Debian or Red Hat and be done with it! -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 20:10:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA243469050; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:10:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01990; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:07:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01821; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01810; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts09.loop.net (p24.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.69]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA06129; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709270004.RAA06129@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Hultquist" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 17:08:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: linux and flash disks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:08:44 -0600, Steve Hultquist wrote: >Why would you want Slackware? Do either Debian or Red Hat and be done >with it! >-- >Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. >Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado >mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ > I LOVE Debian, but the install is a pain in the rear. Slackware's install is easier, plus you can make disks. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 26 20:13:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA244049189; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:13:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02220; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:10:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02073; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02063; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwsi.com (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA32313; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:07:53 -0600 Message-Id: <342C502F.F528F5BA@wwsi.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:15:43 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Linux on small ThinkPad drive References: <199709270001.RAA05993@ritchie.loop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Emacs (being an operating environment masquerading as an editor) has really good mail handling (as long as you like to stay pretty much text-mode). It's still my favorite mailer. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 27 07:13:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA124018785; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:13:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02687; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:08:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02562; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02551; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.32] ([206.18.124.48]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id EAA27743; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:08:12 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:55:27 -0800 To: "Laurence Larsen" <71420666@classic.msn.com>, "Thinkpad mailing list" From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: FW: Gripe about Davecarso Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 5:34 AM -0800 9/26/97, Laurence Larsen wrote: >Beware of on-line auctions.......this is Haggle.com > >Just in case any of you were thinking of picking up a cheap Thinkpad on the >Internet.. >Caveat emptor. This Dave Carson guy had zero complaints pending against him >when we ordered. > >Dave Carson cashed my $71 check on August 28 and I never received the >merchandise. As in the case of L. P. Larsen, he never answered my emails. >Haggle's method and slowness of publishing gripes is very unsatisfactory. >Mike Bassham. If you can't use a credit card, then perform the last stage of the transaction through the mail. Mail fraud gets investigated more easily than internet transactions which police are just getting into figuring out. Don't forget to drag the persons name through the mud in newsgroups too. AND of course to do a DejaNews search on them first. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 27 12:07:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA199066450; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:07:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09718; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:57:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09613; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais3.cais.com (cais3.cais.com [199.0.216.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09603; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais3.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19952 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:57:19 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: Linux Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Over time I've seen alot of traffic about various varients of Linux, each with advocates and otherwise. I'm considering installing Linux mostly to find out what it's like. Can anyone point me to an FAQ or the like that addresses the various types. If it matters in this regard the target system is a TP701cs/486/75/40MB/1.3G. TIA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 27 12:58:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA212739533; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:58:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12287; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:53:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12085; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom16.netcom.com (phr@netcom16.netcom.com [192.100.81.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11945; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA03460; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:47:51 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:47:51 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199709271647.JAA03460@netcom16.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: changing video mode under startx? (was: linux on 560) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Also, I understand there are some hassles involved in getting Linux working on the 560, including afterboot patching of the display and floppy drivers (e.g., running cy9382 in startx), and kernel to make features like suspend/resume work. What is this cy9382 program? Is there something like it for the 755cx, which uses a WD chipset? The only way I know to put the 755cx screen in 800x600 mode is to run the ps2 utility under dos, then boot linux using bootlin; this is a pain. Anyone know a way to set the screen mode under linux these days? Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 27 13:06:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215049998; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:06:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13127; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:02:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12622; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.area54.net ([207.226.221.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12603; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20353; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:02:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:02:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings Reply-To: Michael Cummings To: rj Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Linux (on a 701c) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This does not really address your question as to a FAQ but I can tell you that I run RedHat 4.2 on my 701c/24mb/75mhz/2.3 gig. RedHat had no problem installing (while maintaining a win95 install). RedHat found the pcmcia controller fine and installed from CD using my Sony pcmcia cdrom.. Hope this helps.. On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, rj wrote: > Over time I've seen alot of traffic about various varients of Linux, each > with advocates and otherwise. I'm considering installing Linux mostly to > find out what it's like. Can anyone point me to an FAQ or the like that > addresses the various types. If it matters in this regard the target > system is a TP701cs/486/75/40MB/1.3G. > > TIA > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 27 13:25:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219861111; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:25:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13895; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:21:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13675; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13647; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts03.loop.net (p10.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.115]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA04824 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709271720.KAA04824@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 10:22:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cheap PCMCIA SCSI Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know of a source for a cheap, decent PCMCIA SCSI-2 card? It has to be <$70 (unless it's a genuine IBM card), compatible with OS/2, and of course, PCMCIA, not parallel port connected. I know that several people on this list gave sites to obtain adapters really cheap, but they either don't seem to have them any longer and wouldn't return my email. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 27 18:20:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA296348829; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:20:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24750; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:11:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24434; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24393; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwsi.com (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03708; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:08:03 -0600 Message-Id: <342D8597.D245B85@wwsi.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:15:51 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rj Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Linux References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My suggestion is to go to http://www.linux.org/ and just wander around. You'll find pretty much everything you want to know about it. You might also take a look at FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/ -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 27 19:05:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010041556; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:05:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25977; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:43:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25424; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25374; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jg@localhost by shell.izap.com id <227864-1116>; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:42:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "Don't touch" From: "Don't touch" To: ThinkPad List Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <342D8597.D245B85@wwsi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, Steve Hultquist wrote: > My suggestion is to go to http://www.linux.org/ and just wander around. > You'll find pretty much everything you want to know about it. You might > also take a look at FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/ > -- > Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. > Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado > mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 27 19:41:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020693692; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:41:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27282; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:35:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27169; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27157; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from bs28ha.demon.co.uk ([158.152.181.205]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109926; 27 Sep 97 23:47 BST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad Zip Drive Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:47:39 GMT Message-Id: <342e85b0.8990863@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Last week I saw an advert for a 'ThinkPad Zip' in a large mail-order catalogue (Inmac, England). The description was as follows: "Now you can have an Iomega Zip drive installed in your IBM ThinkPad. The drive fits into the Ultrabay of the following models: 755CD, 755CDU, 760CD, 760ED,760E, 760ELD, 760LD, 760EL". There was also a picture of this ThinkPad Zip drive, which looks similar in shape and size to the ThinkPad Cd-Rom drive. Upon calling Inmac about this, they could not give me any additional details whatsoever. They did not even know who made this drive. Nor did they have this product in stock yet, so could not get the details off the box for me. Thereafter, I called both Iomega and IBM, both of whom had no idea of such a product. Although, Iomega said that it's likely to be made by one of their partners. And, IBM said that the only 'ThinkPad' proven internal Zip drive is the VST Zip 100, which is exclusively for the new ThinkPad 770. I have also seen an item listed in the Cyberian Outpost Web page (http://www.cybout.com/cgi-bin/product_info?item=3D26577) concerning a VST Zip 100 drive for the IBM ThinkPad notebook computers. However, there were no details available either there or on VST's Web pages (http://www2.skyworld.com/cgi-shl/cfml.exe?template=3D/vsttech/menu.cfm) on which model ThinkPads this is compatible with. Currently, I am using the ThinkPad 760CD and am running a Zip drive off the parallel port. However, this setup occasionally (and unpredictably) interferes with printing jobs (mostly using HP-5L and Epsom Stylus 600). So, I'm desperately looking for an alternative. This 'ThinkPad Zip' seems the ideal solution for me. So, has anyone heard of this so-called 'ThinkPad Zip'? If so, please share your experiences. Any advice, warnings or comments whatsoever are most welcome. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 00:52:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA104502353; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:52:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04893; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:45:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04730; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04718; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts06.loop.net (p20.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.215]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA22281 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709280442.VAA22281@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 21:46:53 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help w/ Linux Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, I got linux on my 701, but it seems to have corrupted my partition mapping, according to OS/2's fdisk. I can still boot OS/2 (which is how I can send this email), but I can't get access of a partition in OS/2, which is HPFS and has my website and homework files. Does anyone know how to copy files in Linux, particulary bash and ash? Does anyone know how I might be able to access it still, or better yet, be able to retrieve my files from it? Is there any way I can get my partition back to normal? Many TIA. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 02:00:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123616418; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:00:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06323; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:47:12 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06153; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA14345; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00263; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.33] ([206.18.124.33]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA29666; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:55:16 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709250418.VAA19647@stevie.loop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:54:49 -0800 To: "Paul Khoury" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: DVD Drives for IBM Thinkpad 760 ??? -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:16:28 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >>Something like 4 million VCRs are sold in the USA every year, that is a bit >>of a trend to buck with a "marginally" better format. >> >That's it? Somehow, that seems like a few, for ~250M people. > >I wonder how many ThinkPads are sold in the US each year? :-> > >Paul Oops, my poor memory. In July of 1997 1.4 million VCRs were sold in the US, and the year to date (30 week) sales were 8.4 million. My guess from that and the big selling season being the fall and holidays, is that more like 20 million are sold per year. Sales were up from last year 13%. DVD players sold were 19,416 for July, and 144,451 year to date (30 weeks). Laser disc player sales were awful, 2,535 and 31,159 respectively for a -65% drop compared to last year. 100 times as many VCRs sold as laser disc, wow. Color TV sales were 1.5, and 10.6 million. Figures are from a CEMA report in AudioVideo magazine (a trade rag). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 02:19:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128487571; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:19:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07004; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:09:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06889; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06860; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s-rick.cs.duke.edu (s-rick.cs.duke.edu [152.3.134.63]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA02880 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970927121215.007a6ca0@cs.duke.edu> X-Sender: rick@cs.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:13:06 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Floyd Subject: 701C modem hangs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The environment: 701C with retail upgrade of Win 95, Plus! dialup IP support, and level 3O BIOS. The problem: The modem sometimes stops responding to dialout attempts - particularly if a connection attempt is stopped while in progress or there is a problem with the line. At this point it usually takes a power cycle to restore the modem. The owner is talking about getting a new machine, but this seems a little extreme. Is there a less drastic solution? rick From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 02:38:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132748698; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:38:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07803; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:29:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07683; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07672; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts06.loop.net (p20.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.215]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA25867; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709280625.XAA25867@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Rick Floyd" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 23:30:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C modem hangs Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:13:06 -0700, Rick Floyd wrote: >The environment: 701C with retail upgrade of Win 95, Plus! dialup IP >support, and level 3O BIOS. > >The problem: The modem sometimes stops responding to dialout attempts - >particularly if a connection attempt is stopped while in progress or there >is a problem with the line. At this point it usually takes a power cycle to >restore the modem. > >The owner is talking about getting a new machine, but this seems a little >extreme. Is there a less drastic solution? > > rick > > Suggest to him/her to get a new modem, rather than replace the whole machine. Replacing the entire machine would be too extreme. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 03:10:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA140060597; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:09:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08779; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:06:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08673; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isomedia.com (root@morse.isomedia.com [207.149.221.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08645; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from billp117 (pm222.isomedia.com [207.149.222.85]) by isomedia.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13397; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:05:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199709280705.AAA13397@isomedia.com> From: "Bill Pratt" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Rick Floyd" Subject: Re: 701C modem hangs Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:03:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hold everything...the Modem cannot be replaced in the 701C since it is built into a DSP chip on the system board. If you put in a PC card modem, you will start an entire new set of problems that I don't have time to address. My suggestion is the following: REFORMAT THE HARD DRIVE. Do not install Plus! unless you have a compressed drive. If the drive is compressed, uncompress it. Your Bios is fine My experience with solving problems on the 701C is upgrades from Win 3.1 to Win/95, plus adding all the goodies is not the way to go. Therefore, back up your critical data, reformat using the Win/95 floppies, and then reinstall your applications. This will forgive a lot of "sins" and will ultimately make your 701C behave. If you want to play around before you do this, then remove the 701 modem via control panel...then shut down the machine (power off). Restart the machine and the modem will be found. If you still have problems, you could call IBM service. Personally, they are not much help. Good Luck. Bill in Bellevue, WA -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: ThinkPad List ; Rick Floyd Date: Saturday, September 27, 1997 11:30 PM Subject: Re: 701C modem hangs On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:13:06 -0700, Rick Floyd wrote: >The environment: 701C with retail upgrade of Win 95, Plus! dialup IP >support, and level 3O BIOS. > >The problem: The modem sometimes stops responding to dialout attempts - >particularly if a connection attempt is stopped while in progress or there >is a problem with the line. At this point it usually takes a power cycle to >restore the modem. > >The owner is talking about getting a new machine, but this seems a little >extreme. Is there a less drastic solution? > > rick > > Suggest to him/her to get a new modem, rather than replace the whole machine. Replacing the entire machine would be too extreme. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 03:40:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148622446; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:40:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10198; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:37:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10096; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10086; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA07338; Sat, 27 Sep 97 21:37:49 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA01129; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:38:22 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709280738.VAA01129@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 701C modem hangs To: billp117@isomedia.com (Bill Pratt) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 21:38:21 HST Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, rick@cs.duke.edu In-Reply-To: <199709280705.AAA13397@isomedia.com>; from "Bill Pratt" at Sep 28, 97 12:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > into a DSP chip on the system board. If you put in a PC card modem, you > will start an entire new set of problems that I don't have time to address. Huh? PC card modems work fine on the 701, while the internal modem is known-flaky (works wonderfully on some machines, is terrible on others). > Do not install Plus! unless you have a compressed drive. If the drive is > compressed, uncompress it. Is there a typo here? No matter, Plus! should be installed on an uncompressed system, then the compression from Plus! (which is better than the one with plain W95) used. BTW, the original poster should make sure his client has the latest version of DUN (if using this in W95); version 1.2 is a freebie on the MS web site. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 10:22:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA270156542; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:22:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23804; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:09:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00387; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from polytechnique.polytechnique.fr (polytechnique.polytechnique.fr [129.104.30.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26785; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alger.seriat.fr ([192.70.119.1]) by polytechnique.polytechnique.fr (z.y.z/x.y.z) with ESMTP id KAA14952; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:55:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cairo.seriat.fr (mentre@cairo.seriat.fr [192.70.119.12]) by alger.seriat.fr (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02764; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:51:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from mentre@localhost) by cairo.seriat.fr (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA04380; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:54:39 +0200 To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Other lists References: <199709230436.VAA10928@stevie.loop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.95) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: David.Mentre@seriat.fr (David =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mentr=E9?=) Date: 23 Sep 1997 10:54:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Paul Khoury"'s message of "Mon, 22 Sep 97 21:37:56" Message-Id: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.65/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Paul Khoury" writes: > Does anyone know of OS/2 and Linux lists > where ThinkPads and other portables are > discussed? TIA. Linux Laptop mailing-list: linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu Maintenance: linux-laptop-request@vger.rutgers.edu d. --=20 David Mentr=E9 / CERSIAT-BAE / Sys admin From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 15:08:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA063583727; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:08:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05121; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:59:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04948; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04937; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts09.loop.net (p10.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.55]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA06527; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709281857.LAA06527@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Pratt" , "David Ross" Cc: "rick@cs.duke.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 97 11:59:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C modem hangs Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Sep 97 21:38:21 HST, David Ross wrote: >> into a DSP chip on the system board. If you put in a PC card modem, you >> will start an entire new set of problems that I don't have time to address. > The only reason I'm not using my Home & Away right now is speed, and inconvience, but it's a heck of a lot more reliable than the internal modem, at least it was before. >Huh? PC card modems work fine on the 701, while the internal modem is >known-flaky (works wonderfully on some machines, is terrible on >others). I know - before my machine went through EZServ, just pressing Fn-F2 would break a modem connection. Now, since I'm using the internal modem, I can keep holding it down and nothing happens. They must have different revisions of the internal modem. > >> Do not install Plus! unless you have a compressed drive. If the drive is >> compressed, uncompress it. > >Is there a typo here? No matter, Plus! should be installed on an >uncompressed system, then the compression from Plus! (which is better >than the one with plain W95) used. > >BTW, the original poster should make sure his client has the latest >version of DUN (if using this in W95); version 1.2 is a freebie on the >MS web site. > >- David > > Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 15:09:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA063843790; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:09:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05438; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:06:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05316; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05302; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts09.loop.net (p10.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.55]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA07290 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709281905.MAA07290@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 97 12:07:56 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FDISK Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anybody know what the FDISK /MBR command does, and if it works in OS/2 as well as DOS? Also, does anyone know how much I can get a new 540 or 720MB drive for my 701 cost? TIA. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 17:02:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA093900538; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:02:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08145; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:40:43 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07935; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA19964; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (daemon@martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06672; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flenser.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075156346; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:52:26 -0400 Received: by flenser.ai.mit.edu id m0xFPOD-0001d5C (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:52:25 -0400 (EDT) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: pkhoury@loop.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199709281905.MAA07290@stevie.loop.net> (pkhoury@loop.com) Subject: FDISK X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From: "Paul Khoury" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 97 12:07:56 Does anybody know what the FDISK /MBR command does, and if it works in OS/2 as well as DOS? This command reinitializes the Master Boot Record of a disk. The MBR is where the boot program for a disk is kept; if I remember correctly, this is sector 0 on the disk. The MBR boots up enough to transfer control to either DOS or a partition boot record. This command is used, for example, after doing a low-level format on a hard disk, which wipes out the MBR. Another time it comes in handy is when you install LILO on the MBR and later want to switch back to the original MBR (and have also lost the backup copy that LILO keeps for you). I've used FDISK /MBR on DOS, but I've never tried it on OS/2. I don't know if OS/2 will do this -- but I would guess that it does. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 17:29:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101732176; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:29:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09391; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:24:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09191; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09174; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-f-03.usc.edu [128.125.223.75]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id OAA18928; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970928142515.0117aa64@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:25:23 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Cheap PCMCIA SCSI Cc: "ThinkPad List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:22 AM 9/27/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >Does anyone know of a source for a cheap, decent >PCMCIA SCSI-2 card? It has to be <$70 (unless it's >a genuine IBM card), compatible with OS/2, and of course, >PCMCIA, not parallel port connected. I know that several >people on this list gave sites to obtain adapters really cheap, >but they either don't seem to have them any longer and >wouldn't return my email. You can't beat the OS support and virtually universal support provided by Adaptec. Model 1460. Gives you all the PCMCIA you'll want. A bit more than your stated price range though. By the way, there's almost *never* anything that's "genuine IBM"--almost everything with an IBM name on it is made by someone else. Its a mistake to think its better only because IBM's name is on it. Look at the new Workpad as an example. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 17:30:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101932224; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:30:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09351; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:24:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09205; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09175; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-f-03.usc.edu [128.125.223.75]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id OAA18924; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970928142301.011799c8@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:25:21 -0700 To: From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad Zip Drive Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:47 PM 9/27/97 GMT, nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk wrote: >Last week I saw an advert for a 'ThinkPad Zip' in a large mail-order >catalogue (Inmac, England). The description was as follows: "Now you >can have an Iomega Zip drive installed in your IBM ThinkPad. The drive >fits into the Ultrabay of the following models: 755CD, 755CDU, 760CD, >760ED,760E, 760ELD, 760LD, 760EL". There was also a picture of this >ThinkPad Zip drive, which looks similar in shape and size to the >ThinkPad Cd-Rom drive. > >Upon calling Inmac about this, they could not give me any additional >details whatsoever. They did not even know who made this drive. Nor >did they have this product in stock yet, so could not get the details >off the box for me. I've seen a 3rd party make a Zip drive that goes into a Compaq Laptop. It wouldn't surprise me if they or some other did the same for an appropriately-equipped Thinkpad laptop. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 17:32:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102662377; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:32:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09636; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:29:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09425; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09414; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts09.loop.net (p10.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.55]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA17610; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709282127.OAA17610@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 97 14:29:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cheap PCMCIA SCSI Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:25:23 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 10:22 AM 9/27/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>Does anyone know of a source for a cheap, decent >>PCMCIA SCSI-2 card? It has to be <$70 (unless it's >>a genuine IBM card), compatible with OS/2, and of course, >>PCMCIA, not parallel port connected. I know that several >>people on this list gave sites to obtain adapters really cheap, >>but they either don't seem to have them any longer and >>wouldn't return my email. > > You can't beat the OS support and virtually universal support provided by >Adaptec. > > Model 1460. Gives you all the PCMCIA you'll want. A bit more than your >stated price range though. > > By the way, there's almost *never* anything that's "genuine IBM"--almost >everything with an IBM name on it is made by someone else. Its a mistake >to think its better only because IBM's name is on it. Look at the new >Workpad as an example. > > What about their ThinkPads, PS/2's, and Aptivas, or whatever else they make, in terms of whole systems? I mean, they assemble them at least and make the BIOS From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 17:36:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103552574; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:36:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12113; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:59:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11947; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.net (ritchie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11934; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts04.loop.net (p26.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.161]) by ritchie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA27834; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709260155.SAA27834@ritchie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dennis Pantazis" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "w.t.brown" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 19:00:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Problem with startup of 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:07:25 -0500, Dennis Pantazis wrote: >1. Disable hibernation via the powerswitch if its enabled. If enabled it >replaces power cycling with hibernation. > >2. Is it the Windoze hourglass or the IBM BIOS hourglass? To get it, >press F1 at boot, so you can run the diagnostics etc... there is a way to >reset the hardware settings, but i forget. Best to call TP Support. > On the 701, you hold both mouse buttons down until your OS starts, and the options will be reset. >3. Are you at the latest BIOS revision? Go to the IBM TP support pages to >find out. > >4. You might want to try the PowerToys and KernelToy utilities from MS to >figure out your system. One in particular is TweakUI. It is a control >panel applette that allows you to get boot choices and function keys at >boot (Normal, Safe-Mode, Cmd prompt only, logged etc...). Its good under >95 and supposedly NT-Intel. (Thanks Dave Ross for pointing me to it). > Doesn't OS/2 and Linux already do that (just wondering)? >Dennis > > Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 17:38:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA104122736; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:38:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10043; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:36:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09810; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09797; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-f-03.usc.edu [128.125.223.75]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id OAA19633; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970928143407.0117f864@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:37:02 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: FDISK Cc: "ThinkPad List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:07 PM 9/28/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >Does anybody know what the FDISK /MBR command >does, and if it works in OS/2 as well as DOS? Also, I'll give you a hint--MBR stands for "Master Boot Record". FDisking isn't something to play with lightly. Highly recommend your getting PowerQuest's Partition Magic instead. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 18:03:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110914227; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:03:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10804; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:54:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10665; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10641; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03573; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:00:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: FDISK In-Reply-To: <199709281905.MAA07290@stevie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anybody know what the FDISK /MBR command > does, and if it works in OS/2 as well as DOS? Also, > does anyone know how much I can get a new 540 or 720MB > drive for my 701 cost? TIA. Occasionally [due to Virii or bad software] the master boot record can become corupted. Using fdisk /mbr re-writes it with a valid MBR. It has saved me a couple of times. Is it properly documented yet? It used to be one of the many "secret" undocumented tricks that could occasioanlly work wonders. I have no idea whether the OS/2 fdisk can do it or not. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 18:06:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA111624392; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:06:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11233; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:03:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11011; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10999; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts09.loop.net (p10.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.55]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA20077 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709282202.PAA20077@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 97 15:04:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re FDISK Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks to all who replied to my cry for help. Unfortunately, I got this error message: [C:\]fdisk /newmbr /disk:1 SYS0850: The MBR was not replaced. Error 3 has occurred. [C:\]help sys0850 SYS0850: The MBR was not replaced. Error %X has occurred. EXPLANATION: An error was detected when trying to replace the Master Boot Record on the fixed disk. ACTION: Record this message number along with the error code and contact your service representative. [C:\] Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 18:26:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117055583; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:26:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12105; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:22:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11912; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11878; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA25172; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:22:15 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199709282222.AAA25172@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 01:22:04 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199709282202.PAA20077@stevie.loop.net> Cc: "Paul Khoury" Subject: Re: Re FDISK X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.36 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 at 03 you, "Paul Khoury" , said: >[C:\]fdisk /newmbr /disk:1 >SYS0850: The MBR was not replaced. Error 3 has occurred. If this can be of any comfort to you, I just issued the same command (also in OS/2) on the JAZ 'tools disk' that I had low-formatted with the BIOS utility of my Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter (Iomega apparently doesn't want you to use this disk for your own data and I couldn't figure out any other way to nuke its content). Well, I got the same SYS0850 message, except that I had error 3 :-) Now if anyone knows a trick to format the JAZ tools disk, just let me know! Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 18:32:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118945970; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:32:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12514; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:29:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12315; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12303; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts09.loop.net (p10.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.55]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA21774; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709282226.PAA21774@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 97 15:28:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re FDISK Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 29 Sep 97 01:22:04 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 at 03 you, "Paul Khoury" , said: > >>[C:\]fdisk /newmbr /disk:1 >>SYS0850: The MBR was not replaced. Error 3 has occurred. > >If this can be of any comfort to you, I just issued the same command (also >in OS/2) on the JAZ 'tools disk' that I had low-formatted with the BIOS >utility of my Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter (Iomega apparently doesn't want >you to use this disk for your own data and I couldn't figure out any other >way to nuke its content). Well, I got the same SYS0850 message, except >that I had error 3 :-) > >Now if anyone knows a trick to format the JAZ tools disk, just let me >know! > >Dominique Oh yeah, did you do it with a boot disk, or while in the WPS? I'm obviously in WPS, where I did it, with PMMail running at the same time. Do you think we might need to do it with a bootdisk? Or does anybody know? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 19:36:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135699802; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:36:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13072; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:37:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12706; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12693; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05517; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:37:11 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) id IAA10956; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:37:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:37:01 +1000 (EST) To: Rick Floyd Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C modem hangs In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970927121215.007a6ca0@cs.duke.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, Rick Floyd wrote: > The environment: 701C with retail upgrade of Win 95, Plus! dialup IP > support, and level 3O BIOS. > > The problem: The modem sometimes stops responding to dialout attempts - > particularly if a connection attempt is stopped while in progress or there > is a problem with the line. At this point it usually takes a power cycle to > restore the modem. > > The owner is talking about getting a new machine, but this seems a little > extreme. Is there a less drastic solution? > i've had all sorts of similiar problems with the mwave modem on a 755 & 760 with win 3.11 and win 95. had a number of our computer people try to solve the problem too. in the end i physically removed the mwave modem part and connected a regular modem to my serial port. works fine now. ... a 1000% better than when i was trying to work with the mwave modem. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 20:00:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142531243; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:00:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15600; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:53:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15377; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (daemon@martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15359; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flenser.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA139980814; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:53:34 -0400 Received: by flenser.ai.mit.edu id m0xFT9a-0001d5C (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:53:34 -0400 (EDT) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: domi@kenavo.fi Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199709282226.PAA21774@stevie.loop.net> (pkhoury@loop.com) Subject: Re FDISK X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If this can be of any comfort to you, I just issued the same command (also in OS/2) on the JAZ 'tools disk' that I had low-formatted with the BIOS utility of my Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter (Iomega apparently doesn't want you to use this disk for your own data and I couldn't figure out any other way to nuke its content). Well, I got the same SYS0850 message, except that I had error 3 :-) Now if anyone knows a trick to format the JAZ tools disk, just let me know! The way I did it was to disable the write-protection, using the Jaz tools. After that I could use it any way I wanted. I have two of these disks; one of them I left formatted with FAT, and just added more files to. The other one I reformatted with ext2 for Linux. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 21:39:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA167707139; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:38:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18613; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:34:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18449; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18439; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU) by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01IO6PDHP5HC8WWYGY@Arizona.EDU>; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:34:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx-p (cx-p.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.53]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA04697; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:33:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:32:14 -0700 From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Mwave modem (was 701C modem hangs) In-Reply-To: X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu To: Alden S Klovdahl Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <3.0.3.16.19970928183214.2307334c@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (16) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3.0.32.19970927121215.007a6ca0@cs.duke.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:37 AM 9/29/97 +1000, you wrote: > >i've had all sorts of similiar problems with the mwave modem on a 755 & 760 >with win 3.11 and win 95. had a number of our computer people try to solve >the problem too. in the end i physically removed the mwave modem part and >connected a regular modem to my serial port. > >works fine now. ... a 1000% better than when i was trying to work with the >mwave modem. > >regards, al > > Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 > Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 > > Al, My experience has been quite different. With a current bios and latest version of Mwave, I have had not problems under OS/2 Warp Connect (v3) and NT 4.0 on both a 755CX and a 765D. Mwave seems to be better than various PCMCIA modems I have tried (get FCS errors with the PCMCIA under Warp and get serial port overrun errors doing the same thing under Sun Solaris x86). The 755CX has 40 MB of RAM and a P75. I have tried a MegaHertz, TDK, USR Courier, and PP PCMCIA modems and had interesting (and different) experiences with each. Stuart Stuart F. Biggar Remote Sensing Group Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Phone: 520-621-8168 Fax: 520-621-8292 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 28 23:42:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA199394564; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:42:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22235; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:31:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22039; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22006; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp227.114.mmtl.videotron.net by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18846; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:24:52 -0400 Received: by deepthroat with Microsoft Mail id <01BCCC66.BA76A740@deepthroat>; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:32:04 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCCC66.BA76A740@deepthroat> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: Full duplex on 365XD Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:32:03 -0400 Encoding: 12 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Just wondering if anyone has the drivers that support full duplex on a 365XD? Internet phone reports no full duplex audio card. -- Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 04:56:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA281473365; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:56:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01602; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:51:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01450; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01428; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5138 invoked by uid 30256); 29 Sep 1997 08:51:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:51:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.math.ntnu.no To: Paul Khoury Cc: Dominique Pivard , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Re FDISK In-Reply-To: <199709282226.PAA21774@stevie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Oh yeah, did you do it with a boot disk, or > while in the WPS? I'm obviously in WPS, > where I did it, with PMMail running at the same time. It's a bad idea to have severeal programs running when using fdisk under os/2 > Do you think we might need to do > it with a bootdisk? Or does anybody know? It sohuld probably work under the WPS, but I would still recomend that you boot into a text mode from boot disks before you do this. The reason for that is that not all the erors on a disk can be fixed from the WPS since it has locked files. I suspect it to have the same problem with the MBR. CU -- LArs Evensen, stud. techn. E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 08:43:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041257010; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:43:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13689; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:32:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13447; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13436; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id FAA12445; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 05:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hi-av1.cadence.com(158.140.128.31) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma875536349.012442; Mon Sep 29 05:32:29 1997 Received: (from perley@localhost) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) id FAA25990; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 05:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199709291231.FAA25990@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Subject: Re: Mwave modem (was 701C modem hangs) To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu (Stuart F. Biggar) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 05:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.16.19970928183214.2307334c@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> from "Stuart F. Biggar" at Sep 28, 97 06:32:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >i've had all sorts of similiar problems with the mwave modem on a 755 & 760 > >with win 3.11 and win 95. had a number of our computer people try to solve > >the problem too. in the end i physically removed the mwave modem part and > >connected a regular modem to my serial port. I had some part of the MWAVE modem go bad on my 755cd (works fine now after ezserve repair). Until I sent it in I had no problem using a serial port modem so I wonder why you would have to physically remove the mwave? -Don Perley From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 14:14:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028296846; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:14:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04536; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:30:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03472; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03446; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts13.loop.net (p20.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.185]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA04824; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709291729.KAA04824@stevie.loop.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Lars Christian Evensen" Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 10:30:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re FDISK Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:51:34 +0200 (MET DST), Lars Christian Evensen wrote: >On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Oh yeah, did you do it with a boot disk, or >> while in the WPS? I'm obviously in WPS, >> where I did it, with PMMail running at the same time. > >It's a bad idea to have severeal programs running when using fdisk under >os/2 > >> Do you think we might need to do >> it with a bootdisk? Or does anybody know? > >It sohuld probably work under the WPS, but I would still recomend that you >boot into a text mode from boot disks before you do this. The reason for >that is that not all the erors on a disk can be fixed from the WPS since >it has locked files. I suspect it to have the same problem with the MBR. > Unfortunately, it still gives the same error. I don't remember it off the top of my head, as I am in WPS again to write this email, but I think it was like error 3 or something. Does anyone know about advanced features of Norton diskedit? I got them from a friend, but no documentation. I am very tempted to modify it myself. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 14:53:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA043559219; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:53:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09172; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:48:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08945; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08910; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:52:08 -0400 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCCCE6.B24C9900@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:48:06 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCCCE6.B24C9900@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Linux on small ThinkPad drive Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:48:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi list, I don't mean to be the one bashing Paul again, but I have a feeling an awful lot of the mails from the list are not really about thinkpads anymore. could threads like that be moved to private emails between the interested parties? I can have holy war discussions about OSs anytime just walking down the hall here at work... axel On Friday, September 26, 1997 13:05, Paul Khoury wrote: >I was just thinking - If I don't put on X Emacs, could I have >Internet access, so I can at least do email, in addition to >my OS/2 mailer. Text is fine. Or does Emacs function >as a mailer? I've never gotten aqainted with Elm, Pine, >or Emacs, so I don't know too much. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 15:27:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA055941273; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:27:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11206; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:18:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11027; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11009; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2955 invoked by uid 30256); 29 Sep 1997 19:17:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:17:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.math.ntnu.no To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Re FDISK In-Reply-To: <199709291729.KAA04824@stevie.loop.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Unfortunately, it still gives the same error. I don't remember it off the top of > my head, as I am in WPS again to write this email, but I think it was like > error 3 or something. Does anyone know about advanced features of > Norton diskedit? I got them from a friend, but no documentation. I am very > tempted to modify it myself. NEVER use dos utilities to fix the disk under os/2 since they tend to mess up the EA for the files on the OS/2 partitions . CU -- LArs Evensen, stud. techn. E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 18:34:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA131952481; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:34:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25135; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:29:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24804; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (daemon@martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24787; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flenser.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130332185; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:29:45 -0400 Received: by flenser.ai.mit.edu id m0xFoK1-0001dFC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re FDISK X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:17:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Christian Evensen On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Unfortunately, it still gives the same error. I don't remember > it off the top of my head, as I am in WPS again to write this > email, but I think it was like error 3 or something. Does anyone > know about advanced features of Norton diskedit? I got them from > a friend, but no documentation. I am very tempted to modify it > myself. NEVER use dos utilities to fix the disk under os/2 since they tend to mess up the EA for the files on the OS/2 partitions . This depends on what you are going to do. I suggested to Paul that he try to tweak the partition table this way, so that OS/2 will recognize his partition again. This has no effect on OS/2 EAs. I agree that using Norton Disk Doctor on an OS/2 FAT partition would be a bad idea, but that isn't what is going on. (The partition in question is HPFS.) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 20:59:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA181351149; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:59:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01428; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:55:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01207; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01118; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18772; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:51:21 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) id KAA27878; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:51:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:51:12 +1000 (EST) To: Don Perley Cc: "Stuart F. Biggar" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mwave modem (was 701C modem hangs) In-Reply-To: <199709291231.FAA25990@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Don Perley wrote: > > >i've had all sorts of similiar problems with the mwave modem on a 755 & 760 > > >with win 3.11 and win 95. had a number of our computer people try to solve > > >the problem too. in the end i physically removed the mwave modem part and > > >connected a regular modem to my serial port. > > I had some part of the MWAVE modem go bad on my 755cd (works fine now > after ezserve repair). Until I sent it in I had no problem using a > serial port modem so I wonder why you would have to physically remove the > mwave? > fatigue - sheer fatigue in trying to get it sorted out. as i recall i would 'deselect' it in the appropriate place, but each time i rebooted win95 would go through its whole 'new hardware found' routine, and invariably the result would be some conflict or another. it was taking too much time from my work, so in the end the simplest thing was to take the damn thing out so it could not cause any problems. and this was long after our computer people told me i should just give up on it ... they were not encountering these kinds of problems in other (non-thinkpad) notebooks. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 21:34:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193783281; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:34:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05105; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:25:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04720; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04685; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp032.114.mmtl.videotron.net by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA104672; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:18:36 -0400 Received: by ppp032.114.mmtl.videotron.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCCD1E.42CEE6E0@ppp032.114.mmtl.videotron.net>; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:25:51 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCCD1E.42CEE6E0@ppp032.114.mmtl.videotron.net> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: Full duplez ESS1688 on 365XD? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:25:49 -0400 Encoding: 17 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I dont know if this got to the liste yesterday - I had som trouble with my email. Just wondering if anyone has successfully configured the ESS1688 sound in the 365XD to full duplex.. I d/l/ the drivers from ESS site, from IBM's, installed the full duplex stuff from Creative (since its SB compatible)... Nothing seems to do, although I remember configuring it some time ago (before my last "fresh" install). Any ideas? Is this really a full duplex sound system? Fabian -- Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 23:10:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225329004; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:10:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14747; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:03:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14420; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pyrrhus.alice-compusystems.com (alc130.syspac.com [204.181.55.207]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14395; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pyrrhus.alice-compusystems.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0xFscJ-0000zBC; Mon, 29 Sep 97 20:04 MST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 20:04 MST From: jones@alice-compusystems.com (David Jones) To: pkhoury@loop.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap PCMCIA SCSI Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Yes Man, http://www.yesman.com is selling New Media Bus Toasters, (SCSI II PCMCIA Adapters) for $57. I've just ordered one. The Bus Toaster will run under OS/2, Linux (and, I assume W3.11 and W95). Actually, there is a note on the Linux supported hardware FAQ, that not all Bus Toasters are supported, something about the earlier versions versus the more recent. You also asked about Emacs, well, for a programmer, it is almost the complete environment. Once you enter it, you don't have to leave: email, software development, word processing, etc., etc. There is even a web browser package! Regard, David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 29 23:24:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229959850; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:24:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15311; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:18:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15111; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15100; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA12787; Mon, 29 Sep 97 17:18:13 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA02269; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:18:46 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199709300318.RAA02269@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Mwave modem (was 701C modem hangs) To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au (Alden S Klovdahl) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 17:18:45 HST Cc: perley@cadence.com, Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Alden S Klovdahl" at Sep 30, 97 10:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > after ezserve repair). Until I sent it in I had no problem using a > > serial port modem so I wonder why you would have to physically remove the > > mwave? > > fatigue - sheer fatigue in trying to get it sorted out. as i recall i would > 'deselect' it in the appropriate place, but each time i rebooted win95 > would go through its whole 'new hardware found' routine, and invariably the > result would be some conflict or another. Sounds like you were deselecting it at the OS level; I'm surprised that there wasn't a way to deselect it at the BIOS level, which is the only decent way of outwitting the Microsoft dumbots. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 30 01:21:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA264836897; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:21:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20000; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:16:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19816; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uluru.Stanford.EDU (uluru.Stanford.EDU [171.64.65.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19804; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from interran@localhost) by uluru.Stanford.EDU (8.7.6/8.7.1) id WAA15246; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:16:27 -0700 (PDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help: Debian Linux installation on ThinkPad 760EL Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: John Interrante Date: 29 Sep 1997 22:16:24 -0700 Message-Id: <7n67rjfkk7.fsf@uluru.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am trying to install Debian Linux 1.3.1 from the official two-CD set (ordered from Cheap*Bytes) on my ThinkPad 760EL. My problem is that once I start the Linux installation process (i.e., when DOS stops running and Linux install starts running), Linux will no longer read my internal 6x CD-ROM drive successfully. It knows the drive's there since I see /dev/hdb: go by when Linux starts up, but I get lots and lots of /dev/hdb: status=0x???? (I can't remember) and other error messages whenever I switch from screen to screen in the Linux installation. When I get to the point where it asks me to select the media from which to install the Linux base system and packages, I select /dev/hdb and hit return but I see these error messages again and then I'm back where I started again with no way to make progress. Note, I have tried floppy=thinkpad already, as in loadlin.exe linux root=/dev/ram ro initrd=root.bin floppy=thinkpad but it didn't help. Neither did saying hdb=cdrom. If anybody has any idea what is going on, please tell me. Otherwise, I'll have to copy the whole CD to my hard disk and try to install Linux from there. Thanks, John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 30 02:18:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282970328; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:18:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22197; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:14:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21786; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21776; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10190; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:20:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: David Jones Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap PCMCIA SCSI In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, David Jones wrote: > The Yes Man, http://www.yesman.com is selling New Media Bus Toasters, > (SCSI II PCMCIA Adapters) for $57. I've just ordered one. They no longer list them. I posted the info to the list and was going to buy one, but they are all gone now. I suppose I should have ordered one before telling everyone else about them. =) ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 30 03:09:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297593390; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:09:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24260; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:06:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24117; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24106; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA25974; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:05:34 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) id RAA24054; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:05:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:05:25 +1000 (EST) To: David Jones Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap PCMCIA SCSI In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, David Jones wrote: > The Yes Man, http://www.yesman.com is selling New Media Bus Toasters, > (SCSI II PCMCIA Adapters) for $57. I've just ordered one. The Bus > Toaster will run under OS/2, Linux (and, I assume W3.11 and W95). > Actually, there is a note on the Linux supported hardware FAQ, that > not all Bus Toasters are supported, something about the earlier > versions versus the more recent. > > You also asked about Emacs, well, for a programmer, it is almost the > complete environment. Once you enter it, you don't have to leave: > email, software development, word processing, etc., etc. There is > even a web browser package! > > Regard, > David Jones > i think you should worry about 'works' rather than 'cheap' as your operating criterion. i had a new media bus toaster and never could get it to work with a Jaz drive, had problems with an attached cd-rom drive, under win95. if you can try one first you'd be better of imho. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 30 03:31:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003924661; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:31:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25279; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:27:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25118; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isomedia.com (root@morse.isomedia.com [207.149.221.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25107; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from billp117 (pm309.isomedia.com [207.149.222.120]) by isomedia.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA23775; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:25:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199709300725.AAA23775@isomedia.com> From: "Bill Pratt" To: "Alden S Klovdahl" , "David Jones" Cc: , Subject: Re: Cheap PCMCIA SCSI Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:24:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Egghead sells PCMCIA SCSI adapters for $99. -----Original Message----- From: Alden S Klovdahl To: David Jones Cc: pkhoury@loop.com ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 12:09 AM Subject: Re: Cheap PCMCIA SCSI On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, David Jones wrote: > The Yes Man, http://www.yesman.com is selling New Media Bus Toasters, > (SCSI II PCMCIA Adapters) for $57. I've just ordered one. The Bus > Toaster will run under OS/2, Linux (and, I assume W3.11 and W95). > Actually, there is a note on the Linux supported hardware FAQ, that > not all Bus Toasters are supported, something about the earlier > versions versus the more recent. > > You also asked about Emacs, well, for a programmer, it is almost the > complete environment. Once you enter it, you don't have to leave: > email, software development, word processing, etc., etc. There is > even a web browser package! > > Regard, > David Jones > i think you should worry about 'works' rather than 'cheap' as your operating criterion. i had a new media bus toaster and never could get it to work with a Jaz drive, had problems with an attached cd-rom drive, under win95. if you can try one first you'd be better of imho. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 30 12:46:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161127981; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:46:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26073; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:39:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25802; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25791; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86026-2>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:38:48 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id SAA13098 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:34:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:48:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: New to this list To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Thinkpad users, I am new to this list, looking for information exchange on Thinkpads, especially running Linux. There is a web page about this, also describing my current machine, on http://www.muc.de/~hm/linux/thinkpad.html. Contributions and bugfixes welcome! Have fun reading. Ciao, hm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 30 12:54:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA163958472; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:54:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26606; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:48:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26300; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26269; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fofyplfq (ip5.white-plains.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.216.5]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA04139 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:48:39 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCCD9F.2D0DBB20.rponiarski@earthlink.net> From: "Richard M. Poniarski" Reply-To: "rponiarski@earthlink.net" To: "'ThinkPad List' (E-mail)" Subject: Win 98 and 365XD Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:58:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a chance to get a copy of the latest beta of Win 98. I thought about putting it on my 365XD. Has anyone tried this yet? Are there any problems? I am particularly interested in converting my disk from FAT16 to FAT32 to get some space back. Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Richard M. Poniarski rponiarski@earthlink.net '95 318ti Sport The 318ti Site: http://home.earthlink.net/~rponiarski/ "If you have to ask..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 30 14:07:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189262853; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:07:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01247; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:56:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00749; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00725; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwsi.com ([209.116.152.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18648; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:53:55 -0600 Message-Id: <34313E79.9F88BB95@wwsi.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:01:29 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "rponiarski@earthlink.net" Cc: "'ThinkPad List' (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD References: <01BCCD9F.2D0DBB20.rponiarski@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Richard, There are some fairly serious reliability problems with Win98. I wouldn't have it as my primary system if I were you. You can get FAT32 if you grab an OSR2 installation from someone. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 30 15:45:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224688706; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:45:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06743; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:25:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05941; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05929; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:25:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA11279; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970930152314_488238437@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: rwhittle@usa.net, nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Zip Drive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone had any experience using a Shark 250 on a TP760XD? Also, I need some advice on cleaning the screen of my 760XD. IBM Tech Help said there wasn't anything I could use on this 12.1 Active Matrix screen. Something has evidently splashed on it---I have drop marks in several places. Used a Gonzo Dry sponge but it didn't remove the marks. Any advice would be appreciated. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 30 17:47:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA267586045; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:47:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13885; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:40:43 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13553; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id RAA09427; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (voltimand.csd.wwwi.com [199.1.92.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12198; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from themachine.fastride.com (plugh.lcs.com [199.1.93.10]) by voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15574 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:16:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970930141621.0083e2c0@pop.wwwi.com> X-Sender: lcs@pop.wwwi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:16:23 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Craig Larsen Subject: Cleaning Screen (Re: ThinkPad Zip Drive) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:24 PM 9/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >Also, I need some advice on cleaning the screen of my 760XD. IBM Tech Help >said there wasn't anything I could use on this 12.1 Active Matrix screen. > Something has evidently splashed on it---I have drop marks in several >places. Used a Gonzo Dry sponge but it didn't remove the marks. Any advice >would be appreciated. I use "Klear screen" from Meridrew Enterprise http://www.KlearScreen.com/ I bought it from Fry's Electronics. Works great on my TP760ED. I also use it on my Mag DX700T which has a sensitive anti-glare coating. Craig Larsen larsenc@LCS.com