From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01488 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:46:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21259; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:03:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:03:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21249; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:03:24 -0500 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id JAA28288; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:03:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: Warp & Windows To: "Mike O'Carroll" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9411301055.aa02783@hipass.filct.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would try turning off sound support under windows. If you absolutely must have sound you could then do a selective re-install of MMOS2. Martin P. Smith mpsmith@ibm.net On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Mike O'Carroll wrote: > I just installed Warp over Windows on my tp750. When I ran a Windows app > under Warp, the speaker emitted a horrible starngling noise, and the system > locked up pretty soon after. > > Now, when I boot Dos, Windows comes up with a "Not enough memory ..." > error on startup (though there is nothing in the startup folder). After > that, I can only start one or two apps without getting an "Not enough memory" > error. > > Any ideas? What can I do (short of a full restore) to get back to a Windows > that works? > > TIA > > Mike > From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19553 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:38:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01210; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01199; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:33 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA20100 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:24 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.32.pmax.ul4.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:09:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <8irArLW00Uh_I5EFtp@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:09:11 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: warp and tcp/ip In-Reply-To: <56736.jokim@mit.edu> Excerpts from internet.computing.tp750: 29-Nov-94 RE: warp and tcp/ip by "John H. Kim"@MIT.EDU > I recommend you give Sang a copy of your config.sys. I spent 10 hours > installing and reinstalling TCP/IP and the IBM PCMCIA ethernet software. > I finally compared with someone else's config.sys and got it to work by > playing with the order things were being loaded. It's really kinda strange. > You have to load half the PCMCIA drivers first, then NDIS, then TCPIP, then > the other half of the PCMCIA drivers. I did what Chris told me to do. I just replaced the pcmcia.sys that came with warp with the new pcmcia.sys file and everything is fine now. it recognizes my adapter and ftp and stuff work now. ------------- Alexis and I From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28361 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:58:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05066; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:57:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:57:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bsdi.nucleus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05051; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:57:40 -0500 Received: (twkary@localhost) by bsdi.nucleus.com (8.6.8.1/8.6.5) id NAA22695; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 13:01:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 13:01:11 -0700 (MST) From: Tim Kary To: TP750 List Subject: Re: Warp & Windows In-Reply-To: <9411301055.aa02783@hipass.filct.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Mike O'Carroll wrote: > I just installed Warp over Windows on my tp750. When I ran a Windows app > under Warp, the speaker emitted a horrible starngling noise, and the system > locked up pretty soon after. > > Now, when I boot Dos, Windows comes up with a "Not enough memory ..." > error on startup (though there is nothing in the startup folder). After > that, I can only start one or two apps without getting an "Not enough memory" > error. > > Any ideas? What can I do (short of a full restore) to get back to a Windows > that works? > > TIA > > Mike > Mike: Try increasing the first number on the STACKS line in your config.sys file. I've had a similar problem running some windows programs. According to documentation in the Windows Resource Kit this was the suggested fix. And it worked!! >:-o Tim --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Kary twkary@nucleus.com |"Imagination is more 403-262-7021 cellular: 870-1386 | important than knowledge." 403-262-1392 - FAX | - Albert Einstein --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07320 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:25:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13829; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:44:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:44:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13806; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:43:59 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA27400 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:43:49 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs27.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs27.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs27.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs27.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:42:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4irD71i00iVDI_BUZK@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:42:25 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: unix on tp I have a tp755cs and would like to install unix of any flavor. linux or commercial (as long as it's not too expensive). is there anything that will install on my tp and also recognize my ethernet card? also, anyone know the number of sigma data (or whatever the name is) that sells harddisks for tp's ? thanks ------------- Alexis and I From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AB04845 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:20:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05645; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:04:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:04:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05635; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:04:51 -0500 From: Received: from PRIMAVERA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27049; Wed, 30 Nov 94 21:04:46 EST Received: by primavera.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA13227; Wed, 30 Nov 94 21:04:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9412010204.AA13227@primavera.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New IBM PCMCIA sound cards Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:04:43 EST I just read that IBM is planning on announcing this week the availability of two new PCMCIA sound cards. They are both Wavetable synthesis based and range in the 150-285 dollar price range (in qtys >1000 :( ) Has anyone heard anything else? Cheers... Art Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | ajm1@mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:43:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23252 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 02:45:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27533; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 03:01:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 03:01:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27500; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 03:01:40 -0500 From: Received: from opera.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:01:15 +0100 Received: by opera.chorus.fr; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:01:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:01:14 +0100 Message-Id: <9412010801.AA24345@opera.chorus.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: unix on tp > > I have a tp755cs and would like to install unix of any flavor. > linux or commercial (as long as it's not too expensive). > > is there anything that will install on my tp and also recognize my > ethernet card? I think you should take a look at the html page at: http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/html/linux-thinkpad.html It contains infroamtion on Linux for the TP750. But I think it is also valuable for tP755 owners, as well > > also, anyone know the number of sigma data (or whatever the name is) > that sells harddisks for tp's ? > Here is an excerpts from a mail posted to list a few times ago: Capacity IBM Part Number Sigma Data Part Number 340M 66G2849 QED/TP750-340 540M 84G2150 QED/TP750-540 810M 84G8250 QED/TP750-810 Sigma Data 17 Newport Road New London, NH 03257-4567 (800) 446-4525 (603) 526-6909 Hope this helps ! -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:43:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16613 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 13:11:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20658; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:37:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:37:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20632; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:37:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA10448 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 03:36:44 +1000 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 03:36:38 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Warp To: tp750 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It looks like I'll be able to get a free copy of IBM's Warp through my uni. Do we have a consensus over Warp with relation to (a) disk space, (b) thinkpad video drivers, and (c) thinkpad PCMCIA and power preservation settings? By the way, do any of the Australian subscribers know when/if the X-Jack modem is coming here? Call it a hunch, but I think Austel might have something to do with its absence. :) From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:43:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27427 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:36:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04249; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:16:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:16:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iaehv.iaehv.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04239; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:16:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by iaehv.iaehv.nl (8.6.8/1.63) id VAA21589; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:16:05 +0101 Message-Id: <199412012015.VAA21589@iaehv.iaehv.nl> X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. X-Sender: robr@iaehv.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 21:15:41 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: robr@iaehv.nl (Rob Ruggenberg) Subject: Re: Warp >It looks like I'll be able to get a free copy of IBM's Warp through my uni. >Do we have a consensus over Warp with relation to (a) disk space, (b) >thinkpad video drivers, and (c) thinkpad PCMCIA and power preservation >settings? A reaction about (a) disk space: Warp was somewhat of a disappointment for me as my Thinkpad has only a 170 Mb hd, which I had doublespaced into 240 Mb. On that drive I had about 80 Mb free - rather comfortable. Then came Warp: I had to de-install doublespace, which meant that I had to move about 100 Mb valuable software from my drive. After deinstalling I was left with my normal C-drive with about 100 Mb free. I installed Warp, which costed me 45 MB. So now I have Warp and about 50 MB free space left. I feel disappointed because I still miss that 100 Mb software that I had to dump..... In some newsgroups I was told that in January there will be a Stacker 4 especially for OS2. I'll wait for that. In the mean time I keep thinking: why did not IMB include a diskcompression programm with Warp? It would made switching operating systems much more easier for many people. I have used Doublespace for more than a year and had never any trouble with it. Many people advised me to buy a bigger HD, but I live in the Netherlands and the IBM Thinkpad HD's are very, very expensive here. _______________________ Rob Ruggenberg The Netherlands E-mail: robr@iaehv.nl Every time a child says 'I don't believe in fairies' there is a little fairy somewhere that falls down dead. (John Matthew Barrie) _________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 19:57:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24519 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:47:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17202; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:35:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:35:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17154; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:35:33 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02059; Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:34:51 MST Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:34:51 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412012234.AA02059@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp On Thur. Dec. 01, 1994 Rohan Davidson wrote: > Do we have a consensus over Warp with relation to > (a) disk space > (b) thinkpad video drivers > (c) thinkpad PCMCIA and power preservation settings? Not sure about a concensus, but here are my observations... a) At this point, I've installed the basic OS plus the following: HyperAccess Lite, Faxworks, CIM for OS/2, System Information Tool, a few miscellaneous shareware utilities, and a 12MB swap file. Disk space used to date ~ 50MB. b) Warp's installation routine correctly sensed and installed SVGA support for my TP's WD90C24 video controller. (Things may get dicey following subsequent ROM BIOS upgrades, but that's a somewhat separate issue). The SVGA drivers appear stable and bug-free, and performance is quite good (relative to Windows equivalent). c) Support for my PCMCIA modem was installed correctly and automatically. There seems to be very little difference between the Windows and Warp versions of "Easy Play for PCMCIA". The quality of the PCMCIA implementation seems to be highly dependent upon the PCMCIA controller involved. For example, I understand that Warp doesn't support the Compaq Aero at all due to the unusual PCMCIA controller used by those machines. For anyone using a Thinkpad, however, this shouldn't even be an issue. Suspend/resume is brain damaged and will only work reliably if you disable your power-on password. IBM has told me that this problem MAY be addressed by some future BIOS upgrade, but that they do not consider it a Warp problem per se. Also, hibernation does not work in conjunction with my modem without "hot-plugging" it first. IBM has said that they are also aware of this problem, and that a BIOS patch will be required to fix this as well. (No immediate plans for doing so, however). Other than these two items, everything else functions normally with regard to PCMCIA/APM (in my experience). That's all, folks........ _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 19:57:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20852 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:17:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23630; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:06:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:06:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23617; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:06:15 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po6.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA15068 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:05:56 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:04:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:04:55 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: warp and suspense mode there was some discussion about warp and problems with recovering from the suspense mode. well I didn't pay attention because I didn't have that problem till now. recently installed tcp/ip 2.0 for os/2 and now I have the problem. I couldn't even turn the computer off. I had to press that little thing on the back of the computer. any solutions? ------------ Alexis and I From ???@??? Fri Dec 02 12:55:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26643 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:21:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05593; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:15:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:15:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05574; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:14:58 -0500 From: Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA13811; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:14:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:14:23 -0500 Message-Id: <941201231417_3521948@aol.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750 and NEC 3xp CDROM The following describes my first experiences with using a NEC 3xp CDROM on my Thinkpad 750 computer. I recently purchased a refurbished NEC 3xp CDROM drive from JEM Computers in Cambridge, MA (617)497-2500 for $199 and a NEC parallel to SCSI adapter (Trantor T338 compatible) for $49. I am very happy with the drive so far. The drive is a triple speed drive. The parallel to SCSI adapter, however is only capable of 75 KB/sec read and 150KB/sec write. I will probably end up purchasing a PCMCIA SCSI card at some point, but I wanted to be able to use my drive for data and software install while I am deciding on which PCMCIA card. The drive came with AC adapter, and headphones. the parallel to SCSI adapter came with a driver disk. Installation was simple and I had the drive up and running in less than ten minutes. I have no connection with NEC or with JEM. I just wanted to share my purchase experience with those that might be looking at purchasing a CDROM for there conputer. Mike Reagin reagin@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 02 21:52:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19957 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:48:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20610; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:28:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:28:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20599; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:28:00 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA15446; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:27:47 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id NAA19694; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:27:30 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412022127.NAA19694@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: It's a BOY! To: lds-net@mainstream.com (LDS-Net), joseph@bolis.sf-bay.org (LDS-Joseph), TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:27:27 -0800 (PST) Cc: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick announcement to all: Last night on December 1 at 6:08 pm, we were blessed with the arrival of MacLean Parker Whittle. He weighed in at 6 lbs, 14 oz. and measured 19 inches in length. His hairline looks something like his grandfather's. ;) Mom looks surprisingly slender--that pregnant gut was all baby and nothing else! All the nurses were jealous. His mother spent 18 hours in labor, but one part of her body just wouldn't cooperate, and her cervix refused to dilate beyond 3 or 4 cm, even with some help from pitosin to increase the strength of contractions. MacLean decided he had had enough of pushing his head into a 3 cm hole in a wall, and signaled it was time to come out by other means when his heart rate dropped dramatically. So a little "slice and dice" was in order. Baby is healthy and Mother is ecstatic, but sore. ;) Daddy is trying to still meet early grad school application deadlines despite the excitment. Thus dawns the arrival of our first "little whittle". ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 02 21:52:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08164 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:14:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00826; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:07:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:07:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00813; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:07:23 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA22667; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:04:54 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:03:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4irvLd200iV9I=hV9k@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:03:53 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: It's a BOY! Cc: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) In-Reply-To: <199412022127.NAA19694@aludra.usc.edu> Excerpts from internet.computing.tp750: 2-Dec-94 It's a BOY! by Randal Whittle@chaph.usc > Daddy is trying to still meet early grad school application > deadlines despite the excitment. > > Thus dawns the arrival of our first "little whittle". Congratulations, so what thinkpad model do you own? :) ------------ Alexis and I From ???@??? Sat Dec 03 12:21:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13926 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 01:33:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21931; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 01:32:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 01:32:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from halcyon.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21912; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 01:32:08 -0500 Received: by halcyon.com id AA07010 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for TP ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 22:30:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 22:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Marilyn J. Barney" X-Sender: mbarney@chinook.halcyon.com To: Joseph@bolis.sf-bay.org Cc: LDS-Net , LDS-Joseph , TP , Randal Whittle Subject: Re: It's a BOY! In-Reply-To: <199412022127.NAA19694@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > Just a quick announcement to all: > > Last night on December 1 at 6:08 pm, we were blessed with the > arrival of MacLean Parker Whittle. He weighed in at 6 lbs, 14 oz. and >... So a little "slice and dice" was in order. > > Baby is healthy and Mother is ecstatic, but sore. ;) > > Daddy is trying to still meet early grad school application > deadlines despite the excitment. > > Thus dawns the arrival of our first "little whittle". > Just remember to treat your wife like she's just had major surgery--because she has! As someone who had my first 4 births normally only to be surprised with a c-section on the 5th, there's a world of difference in the recovery time. *************************************************************************** * Marilyn J. Barney * "Be yourself; an original is * * mbarney@halcyon.com * always better than a copy." * *************************************************************************** From ???@??? Sat Dec 03 12:21:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23228 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 10:35:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05642; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 10:41:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 10:41:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05632; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 10:41:43 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA11476; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 07:41:39 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA05863; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 07:41:37 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412031541.HAA05863@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: It's a BOY! To: sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sang H Kim) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 07:41:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <4irvLd200iV9I=hV9k@andrew.cmu.edu> from "Sang H Kim" at Dec 2, 94 07:03:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Excerpts from internet.computing.tp750: 2-Dec-94 It's a BOY! by Randal > Whittle@chaph.usc > > Daddy is trying to still meet early grad school application > > deadlines despite the excitment. > > > > Thus dawns the arrival of our first "little whittle". > > > Congratulations, so what thinkpad model do you own? :) A 750C with 340 MB drive & 12 MB RAM. :) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Dec 03 17:20:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07187 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 17:14:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20836; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:32:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:32:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20826; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:32:48 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29620; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:33:29 PST Date: Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:33:29 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412032033.AA29620@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: It's a BOY! In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Randal Whittle ' dated: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 07:41:36 -0800 (PST) > > Excerpts from internet.computing.tp750: 2-Dec-94 It's a BOY! by Randal > > Whittle@chaph.usc > > > Daddy is trying to still meet early grad school application > > > deadlines despite the excitment. > > > > > > Thus dawns the arrival of our first "little whittle". > > > > > > Congratulations, so what thinkpad model do you own? :) > > A 750C with 340 MB drive & 12 MB RAM. :) Make sure you post the results of your case study of ThinkPad durability in rugged environments: baby formula, (and later) crayons, finger paint... Robert From ???@??? Sun Dec 04 12:59:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13728 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:23:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08676; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:35:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:35:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08629; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:35:03 -0500 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA01757 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 03:34:51 +1000 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 03:34:45 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rosencrantz and Guilderstern Subject: Re: It's a BOY! Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9412032033.AA29620@cs.nps.navy.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Dec 1994, Robert George wrote: > > A 750C with 340 MB drive & 12 MB RAM. :) > > Make sure you post the results of your case study of ThinkPad > durability in rugged environments: baby formula, (and later) crayons, > finger paint... > Wait... better still... teething and that nonslip rubber finish. Congratulatons Randal. From ???@??? Sun Dec 04 12:59:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20050 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:52:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09668; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 13:03:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 13:03:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mailgate.exnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09626; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 13:02:48 -0500 Received: from exnet.com (assam.exnet.com) by mailgate.exnet.com with SMTP id AA03481 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 18:01:57 GMT Received: from maildrop.exnet.com (ceylon) by exnet.com with SMTP id AA04942 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 18:01:40 GMT Received: from fonix.UUCP by maildrop.exnet.com (4.1/client-1.2DHD) id AA23353; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:01:25 GMT To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: It's a BOY! From: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Message-Id: <4789.150.uupcb@fonix.org> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 94 21:44:00 -0100 Organization: FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, UK ~ +44 (344) 306986/7/8/9 Reply-To: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) RW>Just a quick announcement to all: RW>Last night on December 1 at 6:08 pm, we were blessed with the RW>arrival of MacLean Parker Whittle. He weighed in at 6 lbs, 14 oz. RW>and measured 19 inches in length. His hairline looks something like RW>his grandfather's. ;) Mom looks surprisingly slender--that pregnant RW>gut was all baby and nothing else! All the nurses were jealous. Randall, Congratulations ! And sleep while you can ! Regards patrick.whittick@fonix.org - Patrick Whittick in Daventry, England --- . CMPQwk 1.42-17 9237 . 'M ST*P*D - I'd like to buy a vowel Pat. An 'O' please. ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, Berkshire UK ~ +44 (0)344 306986 12 lines! | | 9 Gig - RsaNET - ILink - RIME (->FONIX) - FidoNET (2:252/171) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ???@??? Sun Dec 04 18:16:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21535 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:01:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17410; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:22:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:22:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17400; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:22:39 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA02833; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 14:22:36 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <55385.jokim@mit.edu> To: robr@iaehv.nl, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp In message Thu, 01 Dec 1994 21:15:41 +0100, robr@iaehv.nl (Rob Ruggenberg) writes: > A reaction about (a) disk space: > Warp was somewhat of a disappointment for me as my Thinkpad has only a 170 > Mb hd, which I had doublespaced into 240 Mb. On that drive I had about 80 > Mb free - rather comfortable. .... > So now I have Warp and about 50 MB free space left. > I feel disappointed because I still miss that 100 Mb software that I had > to dump..... > In some newsgroups I was told that in January there will be a Stacker 4 > especially for OS2. I'll wait for that. I highly recommend you check out Zipstream on ftp-os2.cdrom.com as the file /pub/os2/32bit/diskutil/zs102b.zip. It's operating premise is more secure than Stacker's - each file is compressed and saved separately, meaning a bad sector can only take one file, not your entire file system. The compression is better - it comes within 1% of the latest version of PKZip by my tests (Stacker will compress better if you've got thousands of files < 512bytes and you're using FAT instead of HPFS) It's faster - it's threaded so all compression takes place in the background. No more waiting for your command prompt to reappear while the compression software does its job. It's cheaper - it's shareware at about $45US. It supports HPFS, it's here now. The only minus I can think of is that there's no DOS equivalent so any compressed files are accessible only from OS/2. Also, it seems to slow down if you have lots of files in one directory (I don't think it's much more than Stacker, but it's been so long since I used Stacker that I can't tell). Can you tell I like it? :-) > In the mean time I keep thinking: why did not IMB include a > diskcompression programm with Warp? 1) They're unable to comprehend customers' desires, 2) They wanted to encourange other companies to write such file systems - OS/2 is designed to handle multiple file systems, you just programmers to write an appropriate IFS (installable file system). You can pick the conjunction: 'and' or 'or' Make sure you backup regularly when using any sort of compression program. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Mon Dec 05 02:07:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28124 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 19:10:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00425; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 19:23:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 19:23:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00415; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 19:23:32 -0500 From: Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA22046; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 00:24:04 GMT Received: from slip4-29.fl.us.ibm.net(129.37.4.29) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smanRIDM2; Mon Dec 5 00:23:44 1994 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.6)/1.0um) id AA0073; Thu, 01 Dec 94 14:17:21 -0800 Message-Id: <9412012217.AA0073@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 14:05:54 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net Subject: Re: Warp & Windows (fwd) X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Id: <67_53_1_786308757> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Description: >I just installed Warp over Windows on my tp750. When I ran a Windows app >under Warp, the speaker emitted a horrible starngling noise, and the system >locked up pretty soon after. >Now, when I boot Dos, Windows comes up with a "Not enough memory ..." >error on startup (though there is nothing in the startup folder). After >that, I can only start one or two apps without getting an "Not enough memory" >error. If you boot OS/2 and press F1 then select INDEX you will find a listing for Multimedia. If you double click on this item you will be asked to double click the inf book. This will open the multimedia inf book. Here you will find an item "Installing multimedia support ~Adding Windows audio support" It includes copying files from the os2\drivers\cs4231 directory to the windows and windows\system directory. If you still have problems repost here, I'll see what else I remember. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Stephen Hosmer // hosmer@ibm.net // Royale Operating Company From ???@??? Mon Dec 05 02:08:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09889 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 22:05:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10446; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 22:21:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 22:21:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10435; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 22:21:34 -0500 From: Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA23646; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 03:22:07 GMT Received: from slip7-89.fl.us.ibm.net(129.37.7.89) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaXEsC92; Mon Dec 5 03:21:43 1994 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.6)/1.0um) id AB0039; Sun, 04 Dec 94 18:25:43 -0800 Message-Id: <9412050225.AB0039@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 94 18:17:12 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net Subject: Re: Warp & SVGA video X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Id: <37_64_1_786583033> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Description: > > There is also the familiar "PCMCIA-card-not-recognized-upon-return-from- > hibernation-problem". Workaround: hot-plug the PCMCIA device. This is > too much of a hassle for my tastes, so I've just given up on hibernation. > On the plus side, I've recovered 8Mb of disk space as a result. > Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) I have left the cover off the PCMCIA slots. I have two reasons for this. 1) I frequently share my modem with a co-worker. 2) I find it much easier to remove the modem to ensure zero battery consumption from the devices. This makes the hibernation-problem non existant, I simply plug it back in when I need it. Unless you leave the cover on the ports I don't see the hassle, and, to me, the ability to hibernate is more valueable than not. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Stephen Hosmer // hosmer@ibm.net // Royale Operating Company From ???@??? Mon Dec 05 02:08:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02817 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:38:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16192; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:56:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:56:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16180; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:56:42 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA06312; Sun, 4 Dec 94 23:57:10 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 94 23:57:10 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9412050457.AA06312@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: jokim@mit.edu, robr@iaehv.nl, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp "Make sure you backup reguarly when using any sort of compression program" why? because you think the program may have disastrous bugs? I personally won't use compression programs until they do NOT come with caveats of this kind! From ???@??? Mon Dec 05 02:08:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12986 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 00:30:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19364; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 00:51:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 00:51:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19353; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 00:51:43 -0500 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id VAA17287; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 21:30:35 -0800 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199412050530.VAA17287@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Anyone have linux+syquest (scsi) working correctly? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 21:30:35 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recompiled the kernel w/ the scsi support for the adaptec 154x adaptor. Linux's fdisk still cannot open the /dev/sda1 (the syquest). I'm using linux + my tp750c + my dock II + my syquest 270 Mb set at scsi ID 0. Anyone have a precompiled kernel? thanks. From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:43:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02209 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:48:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09140; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:51:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:51:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09127; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:51:28 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA00575; Mon, 5 Dec 94 08:50:52 MST Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 08:50:52 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412051550.AA00575@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: It's a BOY! Cc: whittle@chaph.usc.edu > Thus dawns the arrival of our first "little whittle". Congratulations, Randal! Just some friendly advice: If you don't already have the extended warranty on your TP, there's never been a better time ;) I had to pick up a cheapo $15 keyboard just the other day to use as a surrogate plaything for my 16 month-old. I don't know how much longer my TP's keyboard would've survived the abuse... Oh, and one more thing - scrap the red rubber cover on your Trackpoint in favor of the black one. The red one is just WAY too appealing :) Regards, _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:43:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13428 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:22:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16186; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:23:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:23:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16176; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:23:39 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA16367; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 11:23:29 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:23:58 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <44640.jokim@mit.edu> To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp In message Sun, 4 Dec 94 23:57:10 -0500, dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes: > "Make sure you backup reguarly when using any sort of compression program" > > why? because you think the program may have disastrous bugs? I personally > won't use compression programs until they do NOT come with caveats of > this kind! Because compressed data is much less recoverable than uncompressed data. Say you have an important financial spreadsheet. Say, through no fault of the compression program, one of the sectors on your hard disk goes bad. Say part of that spreadsheet is on that sector. It is possible with a program like PCTools or Norton to recover all of that file except the section on the bad sector. Not bad if the file is ~100k like most spreadsheets seem to be. Say the file was compressed. You could recover all the data up to the bad sector, but afterwards the decompression program wouldn't know what to do because of the missing sector. You can only recover half the file on average. If the file was ~100k, would you want to reconstruct the missing 50k? This problem can be worse if the compression program saves everything in one big compressed file. You should be backing up your data anyway. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25043 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:05:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07544; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:01:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:00:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07522; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:00:55 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA12346; Mon, 5 Dec 94 17:01:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 17:01:16 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9412052201.AA12346@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp decompression programs work in discrete blocks (at least stacker does and so does double space), so you do not lose the whole file if compression goes bad. I wouldn't consider using a program that had this characterstic. Does the one that you are talking about really have this fatal flaw. Data should only be backed up if it cannot be recovered, otherwise why bother. THe issue is whether compression makes it more likely that you have to go through this recovery. From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24978 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:04:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07638; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:02:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:02:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07628; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:02:22 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id RAA25523; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:05:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:05:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Warp In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Heh... accidentally sent this to the other (totally unrelated) mailing list I'm on.... On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Don Whiteside wrote: > > >"Make sure you backup reguarly when using any sort of compression program" > > > >why? because you think the program may have disastrous bugs? I personally > >won't use compression programs until they do NOT come with caveats of > >this kind! > > That's good advice for anything. Of course, you never realize that till the > first time you're caught with your pants down..... From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27059 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:08:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07807; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:05:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:05:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07782; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:05:17 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id RAA25723; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:08:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: It's a ThinkpadDestruction Device! translation:BOY! In-Reply-To: <9412051550.AA00575@amazon.den.mmc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Karl Yeanoplos wrote: > > Thus dawns the arrival of our first "little whittle". > > Congratulations, Randal! Ditto. > Just some friendly advice: > > If you don't already have the extended warranty on your TP, there's > never been a better time ;) I had to pick up a cheapo $15 keyboard There's an extended warr program? The standard was 3 year. What else is there? From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04402 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:25:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08887; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:17:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:17:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08837; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:16:40 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA23390; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:16:28 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:17:03 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <62224.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp In message Mon, 5 Dec 94 17:01:16 -0500, dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes: > decompression programs work in discrete blocks (at least stacker does and > so does double space), so you do not lose the whole file if compression > goes bad. If so, my mistake. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13376 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:46:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09486; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:25:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:25:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09447; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:25:13 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA12653; Mon, 5 Dec 94 17:25:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 17:25:50 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9412052225.AA12653@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: dwhite@shadow.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp of course backups are reasonable, but what I was reacting to was the qualification that somehow backup is especially important if you are using compression programs. For unrecontructable data, of course one has to back up for reconstructable data, there is a trade off behind time to reconstruct and time to backup. Disks are so reliable these days that the weight often goes to reconstruction. THe question is whether compression changes the odds significantly. From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02824 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:42:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15123; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:30:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:30:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15103; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:30:06 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA24339 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:29:59 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:28:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:28:58 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: suspend mode and warp any solution to this problem? where the hell is ibm anyway? ibm warp and ibm thinkpads can't even work together. ------------ Alexis and I From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16225 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:25:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18048; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:26:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:26:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18038; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:25:58 -0500 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13497; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:25:25 -0600 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA80618; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:25:25 -0600 From: rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9412060025.AA80618@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: how comment out audio in system.ini To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (IBM 750 newsgroup) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:25:24 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Besides the [386Enh] line, device=tpaudvxd.386 what else is there to comment out if you don't want thinkpad sound on. If you just comment out the above, subzero shows that tpaudwin.dll is loaded and that it takes 109kb. Thanks! BTW, I'm using a super neat utility, INIEDIT (freeware from winshare forum) that lets you batch-edit your win.ini/system.ini (or any ini) as you enter windows based upon if statements in either your autoexec or w.bat (which would call win.com afterwards). -- | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | | ** B'days are good for health ** | | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19215 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:50:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01543; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:58:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:58:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01533; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:58:21 -0500 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (sears@localhost) by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.9/3.5davy) id WAA23015; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:58:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199412060358.WAA23015@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:58:15 -0500 From: Michael J Sears To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: sears@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Disk Compression [Was Warp] --> From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Dec 5 17:48 EST 1994 --> X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:00:59 EST --> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 17:01:16 -0500 --> From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) --> To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU --> Subject: Re: Warp --> --> decompression programs work in discrete blocks (at least stacker does and --> so does double space), so you do not lose the whole file if compression --> goes bad. I wouldn't consider using a program that had this characterstic. --> Does the one that you are talking about really have this fatal flaw. --> --> Data should only be backed up if it cannot be recovered, otherwise why --> bother. THe issue is whether compression makes it more likely that you --> have to go through this recovery. Stacker and Double Space are mentioned here, but what about Super-Stor/DS in PC DOS 6.1? Does it work in discrete blocks? Also, out of curiosity, has anyone ever had any problems using SuperStor? So far (knock on wood :) it has worked just fine for me. Thanks, Michael |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| | ___ || Michael J. Sears, Graduate Student | | ( __ __ __ __ || INTERNET: sears@ecn.purdue.edu | | `-- |--'| || (_ || Department of Agricultural Engineering | | ___) `-- `--|| __) || Purdue University | | || West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1146 USA | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23806 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:12:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23749; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:20:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:20:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23737; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:20:43 -0500 Received: from ankle!ankle.spine.com (jesse@localhost) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with UUCP id AAA06769 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:27:23 -0800 Received: from ankle.UUCP (root@localhost) by colon.spine.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id XAA10182 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:14:17 -0800 Received: by ankle.spine.com (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Mon, 05 Dec 1994 22:06:53 -0800 Message-Id: <2ee3ff7d.ankle@ankle.spine.com> From: jesse@spine.com To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: It's a BOY! Sender: jesse montrose Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 22:06:53 -0800 On Sat, 3 Dec 1994 07:41:36 -0800 (PST) you wrote: > > Congratulations, so what thinkpad model do you own? :) > > A 750C with 340 MB drive & 12 MB RAM. :) And what model are you getting for the little one? -- ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com jesse@xaostools.com jesse@hooked.net i don't recycle. i'm a consumer, damn it, i consume. From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24121 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:13:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23759; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:20:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:20:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23739; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:20:45 -0500 Received: from ankle!ankle.spine.com (jesse@localhost) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with UUCP id AAA06776 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:27:24 -0800 Received: from ankle.UUCP (root@localhost) by colon.spine.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id XAA10186 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:14:18 -0800 Received: by ankle.spine.com (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Mon, 05 Dec 1994 22:16:33 -0800 Message-Id: <2ee401c1.ankle@ankle.spine.com> From: jesse@spine.com To: "thinkpad list" Subject: 355cs vs 755cs screen vomit? Sender: jesse montrose Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 22:16:33 -0800 Greets, I have a 755cs, and I run chicogo beta on it. My mom just got a 355cs, and it has some trouble with the video. During both the win31 standard install and chicago install, I've gotten screen vomit, more specifically, those familiar vertical colored bars that obliterate the screen. I thought that they used the same video in both boxes? I sent one back and got a new one already, but it has the same trouble, which seems odd to me, since it's happening in the standard vga mode, with and without the vesa driver. Any help appreciated! From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26874 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:50:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19017; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:37:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:37:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from grazzt.umd.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19006; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:37:10 -0500 Received: from cw-u01.umd.umich.edu (adam@cw-u01 [141.215.69.4]) by grazzt.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA23711; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:36:23 -0500 Received: (adam@localhost) by cw-u01.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA23812; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:37:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:37:07 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Wilkinson X-Sender: adam@cw-u01.umd.umich.edu To: jesse@spine.com Cc: thinkpad list Subject: Re: 355cs vs 755cs screen vomit? In-Reply-To: <2ee401c1.ankle@ankle.spine.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Dec 1994 jesse@spine.com wrote: > Greets, > > I have a 755cs, and I run chicogo beta on it. My mom just got a 355cs, and > it has some trouble with the video. During both the win31 standard install > and chicago install, I've gotten screen vomit, more specifically, those > familiar vertical colored bars that obliterate the screen. > > I thought that they used the same video in both boxes? > > I sent one back and got a new one already, but it has the same trouble, which > seems odd to me, since it's happening in the standard vga mode, with and > without the vesa driver. > > Any help appreciated! > I know in Windows 3.1, I've had to use the VGA 3.0 driver on ThinkPads in the past. Does Win95 have an equivalent? -- Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02626 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:00:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19917; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:44:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:44:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19906; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:44:12 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA01017; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:43:38 MST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:43:38 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412061443.AA01017@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: It's a ThinkpadDestruction Device! translation:BOY! > > If you don't already have the extended warranty on your TP, there's > > never been a better time ;) I had to pick up a cheapo $15 keyboard > There's an extended warr program? The standard was 3 year. What else is > there? Whoops!.....my model number is showing. I sometimes forget that the 75X's are already covered for three years. My 360, on the other hand, is only warranted for as long as it takes to become obselete - about one year :( Sorry for the confusion. - Karl From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06199 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:09:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22398; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:11:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:11:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22386; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:11:04 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA01021; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:10:27 MST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:10:27 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412061510.AA01021@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: suspend mode and warp > any solution to this problem? Solution, no. Workaround, yes... You need to disable your power-on password. I believe this is done by typing space followed by a return at the password prompt, but please refer to your owner's manual for the exact procedure. > where the hell is ibm anyway? IBM is aware of the problem, and has stated that a BIOS patch is most likely needed to correct it. If so inclined, you can call the OS/2 support line at 800-992-4777 and refer to PMR# 0X827,PSG. This PMR# was issued about 3 weeks ago relative to various Thinkpad Warp/APM problems. The last I heard, this was not a very high priority item, as the aforementioned workaround does provide for a temporary fix. > ibm warp and ibm thinkpads can't even work together. This is somewhat disappointing, but on the whole I'm pretty happy with Warp in spite of these various annoyances. Hang in there! _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12373 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:33:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04333; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:27:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:27:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inetgate.prodigy.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04322; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:27:26 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com by inetgate.prodigy.com with SMTP id AA49360 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:17:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 12:17:11 EST From: VJFY58A@prodigy.com (MR WESLEY T DUNAWAY) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-308.52] Message-Id: <013.02123674.VJFY58A@prodigy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Warp and the ThinkPad video drivers 1.33 -- [ From: Wesley T. Dunaway * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- I noticed that the IBM PC BBS has now has version 1.33 ThinkPad video drivers. I used version 1.32 under OS/2 2.1 and found them to be painfully slow, if bug-free and stable. I am quite happy with the speed of the new drivers that came with Warp. Unfortunately, as is documented, there is corruption on the monochrome LCD screen of my TP750 when using seamless Windows. There are other bugs in that driver, also. Has anyone installed version 1.33 under OS/2 yet? Is the speed better? Has anyone found a way to solve Warp's problems with monochrome screens? IBM OS/2 support says that the problem will have to be addressed by the ThinkPad people. I will probably try the ThinkPad drivers and post the results of their performance here soon, but I thought I would query the group first to see if anyone else had done this. By the way, updating the BIOS to level 1.15 has not solved the problem of video corruption on the monochrome LCD under Warp. From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22380 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:52:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04587; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:31:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:31:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04577; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:31:39 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06178; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:32:22 PST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:32:22 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412061732.AA06178@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Disk Compression In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Michael J Sears ' dated: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:58:15 -0500 > Stacker and Double Space are mentioned here, but what about Super-Stor/DS in > PC DOS 6.1? Does it work in discrete blocks? Also, out of curiosity, has > anyone ever had any problems using SuperStor? So far (knock on wood :) it > has worked just fine for me. I was told by IBM sales staff that the PC DOS compression was licensed from Stac Technolgies (Stacker). Considering this information came from the sales staff, it is possible it is wrong. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03838 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:15:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05003; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:38:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:38:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04970; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:38:01 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Tue, 6 Dec 94 18:37 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rF3os-0003ecC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 18:36 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 18:35:03 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Win95 (was: 355cs vs 755cs screen vomit?) X-Mailer: >I have a 755cs, and I run chicogo beta on it. My mom just got a 355cs, and >it has some trouble with the video. During both the win31 standard install >and chicago install, I've gotten screen vomit, more specifically, those >familiar vertical colored bars that obliterate the screen. Jesse, aside from this video problem, can you comment on your experiences with Chicago on the ThinkPad? Especially interested in PCMCIA device compatibility, resolution on external monitors, and installation medium (network CD? big stack of floppies?). Thanks, Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02197 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:12:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04694; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:34:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:34:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04684; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:34:25 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06300; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:35:06 PST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:35:06 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412061735.AA06300@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: how comment out audio in system.ini In-Reply-To: Mail from 'rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin)' dated: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:25:24 -0600 (CST) > Besides the [386Enh] line, device=tpaudvxd.386 > what else is there to comment out if you don't want thinkpad sound > on. If you just comment out the above, subzero shows that > tpaudwin.dll is loaded and that it takes 109kb. Thanks! Has anyone bugged IBM about this problem? Removing the sound support is a lousy solution. I've called IBM tech support several times and requested that they release the "new" audio drivers that were supposed to be available in September which supposedly fix this problem. I would hope that if enough people call, they might actually do something! From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18956 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:46:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04961; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:37:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:37:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04920; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:37:24 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Tue, 6 Dec 94 18:37 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rF3ou-0003edC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 18:36 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 18:35:06 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: how comment out audio in system.ini X-Mailer: >Besides the [386Enh] line, device=tpaudvxd.386 >what else is there to comment out if you don't want thinkpad sound >on. If you just comment out the above, subzero shows that >tpaudwin.dll is loaded and that it takes 109kb. Thanks! The following lines need to go: device=tpaudvxd.386 wave=ibmmme.drv midi=ibmmme.drv aux=ibmmme.drv For those Windows 3.1x users who weren't following the earlier thread, commenting out the ThinkPad audio drivers from system.ini will save 182K of sub-1M memory. I used to get constant "out of memory" errors until I did this, now I haven't seen one for months. Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14004 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:36:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09142; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:29:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:29:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09131; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:29:31 -0500 Received: from toddspc.caenn.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA110518568; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:29:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199412061829.AA110518568@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 12:29:24 -0600 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: No more "out of memory" errors! (was: how comment out audio...) >For those Windows 3.1x users who weren't following the earlier thread, >commenting out the ThinkPad audio drivers from system.ini will save 182K of >sub-1M memory. I used to get constant "out of memory" errors until I did >this, now I haven't seen one for months. > I used to get lots of "out of memory" errors as well with Win 3.1 on my Thinkpad. But not any more! AND, I still have the Thinkpad audio drivers loaded (as well as a ton of other junk) !!!! How did I do it? I am using a small shareware utility called "MoreMem". It works great. I got it via anonymous ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu in the win3/utils directory (moremem.zip, or something almost identical to that). I liked it so much I even registered it (the author is asking $10; more than worth it to me!!). Basically, the reason folks get "out of memory" errors is because they have run out of memory below 1meg. Every time you fire up a program in windows, windows needs to alloc a PSP in <1meg memory. A PSP takes about 400 bytes. If you are out of mem below 1meg, windows claims "out of memory" even if you have tons of >1meg RAM and resources left. besides drivers, any windows program which allocates "static", or non-relocateable memory, Windows gives it memory starting from the lowest address and grows upward. This means that lots of your precious below 1meg memory space is being used by windows programs/drivers which really do not care about getting memory below 1meg, they just don't want it swapped out.... When you put MoreMem in your windows startup folder, it immediately grabs memory from below 1meg and "reserves" it specifically for Windows PSPs. (PSP = program segment prefix). since it is in your startup folder, it can usually grab up a good sized chunk of memory below 1meg cuz other windows apps have not yet chewed it up with non-relocating alloc calls to windows. I am running my Thinkpad 750C with Windows 3.1 with all ibm audio drivers, ibm ezplay pcmcia drivers, ethernet, supertcp for windows with NFS/etc, Novell DOS drivers, and a bunch of other crap. I can set MoreMEM to reserve about 32 PSPs (which means I can run about 30 Windows programs simultaneously before seeing the stupid "out of memory error"). It works. I now routinely run 15-20 windows programs at once (i have 12 meg RAM). I could never do this before Moremem (usually would get about 5 programs max before MoreMem). I am in no way associated with MoreMem other than a happy user. :^). p.s. I called up the author of MoreMem, and we brainstormed converting Moremem >from a vanilla windows program into a windows .386 driver. This means Moremem could do its magic even before other .386 drivers (like the ibm audio crap) loaded. On my system, this would allow me to run over 100 Windows programs at once (assuming i did not run out of RAM or windows gdi resources before that!). However, with the current program I can run over 30 programs at once, and that is certainly good enough for now... Like I said, i got my copy via anonymous ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu. The shareware version nags you by forcing you to type in a passcode every time you start up windows. The registered version does not nag. Here is the company info from the "About" window: MoreMem "A Utility to Prevent Out of Memory Errors When Loading Programs in Windows" Moremem -Version 2.0a by Daniel N. Woo Copyright 1994 Gamma Research, Inc. 904 Bob Wallace Ave. Suite 212 Huntsville, AL 35801 Phone: (205) 533-7103 Compuserve: [73324,3027] Cost is $10 Enjoy! --------- Todd Tannenbaum CAE Model Advanced Facility email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02916 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:13:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11570; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jcpenney.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11559; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:02 -0500 Received: from osiris.jcpenney.com by jcpenney.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01415; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:59:08 -0600 Received: by osiris.jcpenney.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16091; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:02:31 +0600 Message-Id: <9412061902.AA16091@osiris.jcpenney.com> From: JABURNS@jcpenney.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 13:02:27: CST To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: how comment out audio in system.ini Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Description: Re: how comment out audio in system.ini *** Reply to note of Subject: I also commented out the audio and solved the "out of memory" problem. (Running 750c, 20meg). I triumphantly went to one of my associates to let him know that I had the solution and noticed he had a music CD running on his 750ce with several applications running at the same time! The true solution, which I have installed and am running quite happily with, is to upgrade to audio drivers 1.31 and apply a patch replacing the IBMMME.DRV with a new version that comes named IBMMME5.DRV. With the new drivers (and patch), I have been able to simultaneously run Word for Windows, Excel, electronic mail, and a couple of other applications. It's great!!!! I've hesitated mentioning this to the group because I don't yet know how this is made available to the general public. I believe we got this through some type of corporate account. I'll try to find out how you can get this upgrade and post my findings to the group. ******************************************************************************* John A. Burns Phone: (214) 591-6581 Sr. Technical Specialist Fax: (214) 531-6581 Advanced Information Technologies PROFS/jMail: JABURNS JCPenney Co., Inc. net: jaburns@jcpenney.com From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29023 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:06:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11614; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11603; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:53 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA21402 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:45 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29138; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:02:37 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: Robert George Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disk Compression In-Reply-To: <9412061732.AA06178@cs.nps.navy.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well in PCDOS 7.0 for which I was recently a beta tester, they use Stacker 4.0 disk compression. The new dos also includes the REXX language interpreter (if you know what it is, you know its useful). Beta Testing finished in Mid November, but I have no idea when it will be released. Of interest to thinkpad users, it includes support for docking stations and newer PCMCIA drivers. Joshua Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Robert George wrote: > > > Stacker and Double Space are mentioned here, but what about Super-Stor/DS in > > PC DOS 6.1? Does it work in discrete blocks? Also, out of curiosity, has > > anyone ever had any problems using SuperStor? So far (knock on wood :) it > > has worked just fine for me. > > I was told by IBM sales staff that the PC DOS compression was licensed from > Stac Technolgies (Stacker). Considering this information came from the sales > staff, it is possible it is wrong. > > | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | > | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | > | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | > | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | > > A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is > nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. > -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery > > From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11752 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:29:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12245; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:12:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:12:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12234; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:12:06 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA22073 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:12:00 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21291; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:11:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:11:48 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Waverunner PCMCIA Modem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comments: Looks nice, too bad v.34 won't be in it until June however. IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem Announced on December 6, 1994 PRODUCT Announcement 194-413 The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem allows direct, high-speed remote connectivity over ISDN (Integrated Services Digital Network) or standard telephone lines for laptop, notebook, and other computers equipped with PCMCIA Type II slots. The speeds achieved are: o Up to 128 Kbps for ISDN (without compression) o Up to 14.4 Kbps for standard telephone service (without compression) - With a future software upgrade, up to 28.8 Kbps (V.34) This dual feature allows the user to access applications via ISDN when available (for example, from home or a local office) and via standard telephone service when ISDN is not available (for example, >from a hotel, an airport, or a client's office). It's an excellent choice for those who need to work from home or on the road. ISDN's increased speed lowers the cost of transmitting data, and increases productivity by reducing the time required to send and receive data, graphics, and video. Purchase Prices: o Single adapter -- $595 o Pack of five adapters -- $2,885 o Pack of 30 adapters -- $17,310 Planned Availability Dates: o February 24, 1995, with the exception of: - Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) - WinISDN application programming interface (API) for Microsoft** Windows+ - Data compression using V.42bis over V.120 - Support for VN4 network standards o April 28, 1995, for: - CAPI - WinISDN API for Microsoft Windows - Data compression using V.42bis over V.120 - Support for VN4 network standards o June 30, 1995, for: - V.34 (28.8 Kbps) ** Product or company name is a trademark or registered trademark of its respective holder. + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation IN BRIEF . . . +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem, operating under | | Microsoft Windows 3.1, provides: | | | | o The flexible dual function of high-speed ISDN and analog | | connections | | o A free software upgrade to V.34 (28.8 Kbps) | | o ISDN Basic Rate Interface 2B + D channels | | o Packet level bonding for IP packets, to provide an aggregate | | data rate of 128 Kbps, without compression | | o Data compression up to 4:1, when using V.42/V.42b | | o Data compression up to 2:1, when using MNP 4/5** | | o Data compression up to 4:1, when using V.42bis over V.120 | | o Communication Port, CAPI, and NDIS application programming | | interfaces | | o WinISDN application programming interfaces | | o Modem emulation to provide communications through ISDN with | | existing analog modems and fax machines | | o Reduced network costs through line consolidation using ISDN | | services | | o The ability to run many existing, widely used modem | | application programs at speeds up to 64 Kbps over ISDN | | o Remote local area network (LAN) access, when used in | | conjunction with the IBM LAN Distance(TM) family of software | | products or similar products | | o Interoperation with other ISDN products such as Network | | Express Interhub and Combinet** CB 150 | | o 5ESS, DMS/100, National ISDN-1, Euro-ISDN (EDSS-1), and 1TR6 | | ISDN switch protocol support | | | | Note: The planned availability date for CAPI, WinISDN, and | | V.42bis over V.120 is April 28, 1995. Planned availability for | | V.34 is June 30, 1995. | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ DESCRIPTION In the all-pervasive telecommunications environment, digital technology is rapidly replacing the conventional analog methods for transmission of voice, data, and images. The Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) uses digital technology for simultaneous transmission of voice, data, and images through standard interfaces over a single telephone line served by digital switches. The Basic Rate ISDN (BRI) provides two B channels for transmission of digitized voice or data at speeds up to 64 kilobits per second (Kbps) per B channel (without compression), and a D channel for transmission of signalling information at 16 Kbps. The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem is an adapter that provides ISDN Basic Rate and standard telephone line connectivity to laptop, notebook, and other personal computers with PCMCIA Type II adapter slots. The first unique feature of the adapter is its ability to communicate through ISDN with devices such as modems and fax machines attached to an existing analog telephone line. This functionality allows end users to have a mix of devices distributed over ISDN and analog lines, while maintaining the ability to communicate from devices attached to an ISDN line with those on an analog line. The second unique feature of this adapter is the ability to connect to ISDN and standard telephone services by switching adapter cables. Thus, the mobile user can connect to whatever type of telephone service is being offered at different locations (for example, branch office, home, airport, hotel, and so on). The adapter also supports many existing, widely used modem application programs at speeds up to 64 Kbps over ISDN, and up to 14.4 Kbps (without using compression) on analog modems. The two ISDN B channels may be bonded together, achieving 128 Kbps transmission data rates using the NDIS interface. In addition, the analog modem support can be enhanced with a free V.34 (28.8 Kbps) software upgrade available June 30, 1995. Functions The functions supported under a Windows 3.1 environment are: o Flexible dual-function ISDN or standard telephone service connection. o Free V.34 (28.8 Kbps) software upgrade. o S/T ISDN Basic Rate Interface, 2B + D. - Speeds up to 64 Kbps on a single B channel, and a D channel at 16 Kbps. - Passive bus. o Communication Port Type I and Type II serial port emulation. - Permits use of existing PC modem communications software. o Modem emulation. - Permits PCs attached to ISDN to communicate with devices such as PCs and fax machines attached to existing analog telephone networks. - Data compression. -- Provides 2:1 compression for a significant increase in throughput by using MNP 4/5 data compression on modems. -- Provides 4:1 compression for a significant increase in throughput by using V.42/V.42bis data compression on modems. o Fax emulation. - Enables PCs to exchange standard Group 3 facsimile data with fax machines connected to an existing analog telephone network, when using the fax application program shipped with the adapter or other class 2 fax applications running under Windows 3.1. o Hayes** AT command set. - "AT" command sequences are accepted and executed. o Remote LAN access. - When used with the IBM LAN Distance set of software products (or similar software), allows a stand-alone workstation to access a remote LAN for all available LAN services. o TCP/IP applications. - With the TCP/IP Protocol Stack installed, a wide range of TCP/IP applications will be supported via: -- RFC 1294 over ISDN. -- Serial Line Internet Protocol (SLIP). -- IP packets over ISDN. o Rate adaptation. - Allows V.120 encapsulation of async data. - Permits interoperability with ISDN/async terminal adapters. o WinISDN API for Microsoft Windows. - This is an application programming interface (API) for the Microsoft Windows environment that provides access to the Internet when the WaveRunner PCMCIA is used in conjunction with Internet Chameleon**, a software product from NetManage**, Inc. This API also extends the interoperability of WaveRunner PCMCIA with other ISDN products, such as MAX Digital Access Server from Ascend** Communications, Inc., that support Point to Point Protocol (PPP). o Data compression -- V.42bis over V.120. - Provides up to 4:1 compression resulting in an effective data rate of up to 256 Kbps, using V.42bis over V.120, at 64 Kbps. o CAPI. - Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) Version 1.1. This permits the use of ISDN application programs written for CAPI. o NDIS. - NDIS is a widely used API that conforms to the Network Driver Interface Specifications. NDIS provides a high-speed interface for many applications written for this API. - The two B channels, when used in packet level bonding mode, provide an aggregate data rate of 128 Kbps for IP packets. Note: The planned availability date for CAPI, WinISDN, and V.42bis over V.120 is April 28, 1995. Planned availability for V.34 is June 30, 1995. The following non-IBM programs are shipped with the adapter as a convenience to our customers: o Fax Application for Windows. When used in conjunction with this application program running under Windows 3.1, the adapter allows a personal computer to send or receive Group 3 faxes. Thus, customers can take immediate advantage of the adapter's fax capability. o Communication Port Accelerator. A set of communication drivers for Microsoft Windows that improves throughput, for high-speed data transfers. Examples of PC modem communications programs supported by the adapter are: o PROCOMM PLUS** o Crosstalk** o DynaComm** o Smartcomm** o QModem** o Windows Terminal+ o HCL-eXceed/W** o PC Anywhere** o Chameleon + Windows Terminal is one of the operational modes of Microsoft Windows 3.1. Cost Advantage With the increased speed due to ISDN, the end users can take advantage of these services for: o Lower cost per bit of data transmitted o Increased user productivity by reducing the time required to send and receive data, graphics, and video Quality Improvements The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem provides connectivity to ISDN services, which use digital technology. This method of transmission has been proven over time to be highly reliable and superior in quality to other transmission methods. Connectivity and Integration As customers migrate part of their networks to ISDN, the IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem offers connectivity for ISDN devices to communicate with those on an existing telephone network, thus enabling customers to gradually grow their networks to the desired environment to meet their business needs. Access to Enterprise Data The adapter provides ISDN and analog connectivity to stand-alone workstations for communications with other remote devices on an establishment/enterprise network which may be either an ISDN or an existing analog telephone network. In this way, the stand-alone workstations can access establishment/enterprise data. In addition, the adapter, in conjunction with the IBM LAN Distance products, provides remote LAN access. Thus, the stand-alone workstation can have access to all available LAN services and enterprise data remotely. Upgradeability The adapter's functionality can be enhanced via new software upgrades as they become available. This ability protects customers' investments. Interoperability The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem has been tested for interoperability with other ISDN products such as Network Express Interhub and Combinet CB 150. The WinISDN API on the IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem will further extend its interoperability to include other ISDN products, such as MAX Digital Access Server >from Ascend Communications, Inc., that support Point to Point Protocol (PPP). In addition, the IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem interoperates with the IBM ISDN Primary Rate Adapter to provide a connectivity solution for both the ISDN Primary Rate and Basic Rate Interfaces for applications such as remote LAN access. For more information on the IBM ISDN Primary Rate Adapter, please refer to Hardware Announcement 194-121. Open Enterprise The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem supports the following standards: o Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) standards - AT&T 5ESS Custom - Northern DMS/100 (Pre-National ISDN-1) - National ISDN-1 - Euro-ISDN - 1TR6 - VN4 o Adapter card interface - PCMCIA Type II o Modem interface - V.32bis (14.4K), V.32 (9.6K), V.22bis (2.4K), V.22 (1.2K), V.21 (300), Bell 212 (1.2K), Bell 103 (300), future software upgrade to V.34 (28.8 Kbps) o Hardware/software interface (software API) - Communication port - AT command set - NDIS - CAPI o Compression/recovery standards - MNP 5/4 (2 to 1) - V.42bis/V.42 PRODUCT POSITIONING The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem provides similar functions to the IBM WaveRunner Digital Modem and the IBM PCMCIA 14.4/14.4 Data/Fax Modem. Because this adapter is for portable computers, analog support is also provided. Mobile users have the flexibility of using ISDN or analog lines with a single adapter. The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem offers high-speed transmission in a mobile environment. The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem was designed for the following customer sets and industries: o Mobile computer users - Sales - Service - Business professionals o Laptop, notepad, and other PCMCIA Type II enabled computers that need remote connection requiring higher transmission rates - Work at home environments - Branch office to home office connections - Bulletin board connections PUBLICATIONS IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem Installation and Testing Instructions (part number 04H7738) is shipped with the product. The System Library Subscription Service (SLSS) is not available for this publication. Displayable Softcopy Publications IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem Installation and Testing Instructions is offered in displayable softcopy form. The displayable manual is part of the basic machine-readable material. The files are shipped on the same media type as the basic machine-readable material. This displayable manual can be used with the Win Help Read licensed programs in any of the supported environments. Terms and conditions for use of the machine-readable files are shipped with the files. TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment Physical Specifications: o PCMCIA Type II, Versions 2.00, 2.01, and 2.1 - Width: 54 mm - Length: 85 mm - Depth: 5 mm Operating Environment: o Temperature: 10(degs) to 40(degs)C (50(degs) to 104(degs)F) o Relative Humidity: 8% to 80% o FCC Class B Hardware Requirements: The minimum system requirements are: o 16 MHz 386SX or above system processor o PCMCIA Type II, Versions 2.00, 2.01, and 2.1 o System memory - 4MB or more, excluding cache, for Windows 3.1 environment o Hard disk space - At least 5MB free o VGA display monitor o 3.5-inch, 1.44MB floppy disk drive o PS/2(R) or Microsoft compatible mouse recommended Note: In the US and Canada a Network Terminator (NT1), such as the IBM 7845 Network Terminator Extended, is needed to connect to the ISDN. Supported Modems: Analog communications are supported with the following modem types: o Bell 103, Bell 212, V.21, V.22, V.22bis, V.32, V.32bis o Future software upgrade to V.34 (28.8 Kbps) ISDN communications are supported with the following analog modem types using modem emulation: o Bell 103, Bell 212, V.21, V.22, V.22bis, V.32, V.32bis Supported PSTN Switch Protocol Types: The supported switch protocol types are: o AT&T 5ESS with 5E7 software level o Northern Telecom DMS/100 with BCS-33, 34, or 35 software level o National ISDN-1 compatible switches o Euro-ISDN (EDSS-1), 1TR6, and VN4 compatible switches Software Requirements: The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem requires the following software product: o Microsoft Windows Version 3.1 (Enhanced Mode), running under IBM DOS 5.0 or higher Compatibility: The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem is a PCMCIA Type II Versions 2.00, 2.01, and 2.1 compatible adapter. Limitations: Only one Mwave(TM) compatible adapter per system is supported. Planning Information Customer Responsibilities: The IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem is designated as customer setup. Installation, configuration, and setup instructions are included in the publication that is shipped with the product. Cable Orders: For the IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem: o An ISDN MAM and an analog DAA come with the adapter. o Additional analog DAA couplers for operation in different countries are available as accessories. Problem Determination: Adapter Diagnostics are included on the diskettes. These diagnostics are designed to assist the customer in problem determination. Packaging: Contents of the boxes for each of the part numbers listed below are: o One adapter, PCMCIA o Four 3.5-inch diskettes o An ISDN cable o An analog cable o Installation and testing instructions Feature Number (Ordering Product Vehicle Part Number Description 8550-ZZZ) Number of Boxes IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem with Publications in US English 7939 04H7686 1 IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem Multipack with Five Adapters per Pack 8006 04H7757 IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem Multipack with 30 Adapters per Pack 8008 04H7758 Accessories: A country-specific analog coupler allows the customer to connect to another country's telephone network. The country-specific telco cable is included in the package. Note: These couplers will be available upon successful completion of homologation. Part Country Number United States 4525596 Austria 4525664 Belgium 43G3364 Denmark 4525658 France 58G7641 Germany 59G1054 Italy 59G1039 Netherlands 43G3359 Sweden 43G3352 Switzerland 4525685 United Kingdom 4525682 Australia 4525663 New Zealand 43G3361 Singapore 4525596 Security, Auditability, and Control This product uses the security and auditability features of host hardware, host software, and/or application software. User management is responsible for evaluation, selection, and implementation of security features, administrative procedures, and appropriate controls in application systems and communications facilities. TERMS AND CONDITIONS MES Discount Applicable: No Field-Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: o PCMCIA Adapter and Cables: Five years. o IBM Media: Three months. o IBM Programs: Three months. o Non-IBM Media: Not warranted by IBM. Warranty, if any, is provided by original supplier. o Non-IBM Programs: Not warranted by IBM. Warranty, if any, is provided by original supplier. Customer Setup: Yes Licensing: IBM programs shipped with the IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem are licensed under the terms and conditions of the IBM Program License Agreement. A copy of this agreement is included in the documentation that ships with the adapter. Non-IBM programs that ship with the adapter are available from IBM as distributed by the program supplier. Terms and conditions of the supplier apply. They are included in their respective program packages in the documentation that ships with the adapter. All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM system in which the feature is installed. National Education Price (NEP): A National Education Price is available under the terms and conditions of the National Education Price List. CHARGES Feature Part Purchase Description Number Number Price IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem 7939 04H7686 $ 595 IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem Multipack with Five Adapters 8006 04H7757 2,885 IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem Multipack with 30 Adapters 8008 04H7758 17,310 Field Install Only: Yes Plant Install Only: No (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 22:32:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07801 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:00:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08237; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:50:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:50:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08221; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:50:48 -0500 Received: from colt-1.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00852 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:50:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:50:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199412072150.AA00852@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: ARGH! Recently, I had the pleasure of getting a new hard drive. Unfortunately, I had the misfortue of not properly backing up my system and thus, I have lost a LOT of the Thinkpad mail-list messages. Does anyone have any of it backed up? I don't know the extent of the damage yet but it seems as if it will span at least two months. This is important as I had not yet managed to extract the info from those messages to add to the FAQ. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13907 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:32:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13932; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:28:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:28:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13908; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:28:45 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA01101; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:28:06 MST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:28:06 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412061928.AA01101@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp and the ThinkPad video drivers 1.33 > Has anyone found a way to solve Warp's problems with monochrome screens? Sorry, Wesley - I don't have an answer for this specific problem, but.. > IBM OS/2 support says that the problem will have to be addressed by the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ThinkPad people. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You might give the Compu$erve Thinkpad forum a try. I've had better support from Mike Anderson (forum leader) than from either of the two options mentioned above. In my opinion, IBM has a real problem with their technical support as regards Thinkpads and OS/2. I too have been stuck in the endless loop described above whereby the OS/2 people claim it's a Thinkpad problem, and the Thinkpad people claim it's an OS/2 problem. Where I work there's a saying that goes "If you see a problem, you own it". Corny as it may be, the underlying principle is one that IBM seems unable to understand. In any event, Mike's Compuserve ID is 72662,1116. If the event you don't have a Compuserve account ( I noticed the word "Prodigy" in your e-mail address, and who can afford to subscribe to BOTH services?), I'll look around for a solution and post if successful. Good luck... _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27584 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:59:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14663; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:38:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:38:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns9000.furman.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14650; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:38:17 -0500 From: Received: from by ns9000.furman.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA181722935; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:42:15 -0500 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 14:42:06 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Audio drivers version 1.31 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Item Subject: Message text >>The true solution, which I have installed and am running >>quite happily with, is to upgrade to audio drivers 1.31 and >>apply a patch replacing the IBMMME.DRV with a new >>version that comes named IBMMME5.DRV. >>I've hesitated mentioning this to the group because I don't >>yet know how this is made available to the general public. >>I believe we got this through some type of corporate account. >>I'll try to find out how you can get this upgrade and >>post my findings to the group. The drivers are available from the IBM PC BBS. They are located in the file section called "Notebooks, portables, and ThinkPads" or something like that. The number for the BBS is (919)517-0001. Changing the subject, could someone please repost the location of the FAQ? I wanted to check and see if it has been updated since I last saw it. Thanks, Wesley T. Dunaway (dunaway@s9000.furman.edu) From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05576 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:13:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22651; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:03:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:03:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from grazzt.umd.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22641; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:03:06 -0500 Received: from cw-u01.umd.umich.edu (adam@cw-u01 [141.215.69.4]) by grazzt.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01760; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:02:15 -0500 Received: (adam@localhost) by cw-u01.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA25933; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:02:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:02:55 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Wilkinson X-Sender: adam@cw-u01.umd.umich.edu To: Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Audio drivers version 1.31 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu wrote: > Item Subject: Message text > >>The true solution, which I have installed and am running > >>quite happily with, is to upgrade to audio drivers 1.31 > and > >>apply a patch replacing the IBMMME.DRV with a new > >>version that comes named IBMMME5.DRV. > > >>I've hesitated mentioning this to the group because I > don't > >>yet know how this is made available to the general public. > >>I believe we got this through some type of corporate > account. > >>I'll try to find out how you can get this upgrade and > >>post my findings to the group. > > The drivers are available from the IBM PC BBS. They are > located in the file section called "Notebooks, portables, > and ThinkPads" or something like that. The number for the > BBS is (919)517-0001. > > Changing the subject, could someone please repost the > location of the FAQ? I wanted to check and see if it has > been updated since I last saw it. > > Thanks, > > Wesley T. Dunaway (dunaway@s9000.furman.edu) > The patch does not appear to be available on the BBS - at least on the ftp site. It is NOT included as part of Audio features v1.31. As I am a technical specialist at the PC Co's largest customer and have 1300+ ThinkPads, I think I'll call support and see if I can get the patch kicked free. . . -- Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:44:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18479 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:44:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28946; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:28:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:28:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28936; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:27:59 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxtcz00327; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:27:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 16:28:54 EST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Crappy video driver To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is anyone else using Windows 3.1 and having CRAP performance with the latest video driver? (3.1 I think) I get bad redraws all the time, and every once and a while an app which runs perfectly on my desktop machine causes an error in the video driver..... ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:45:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29785 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:03:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26244; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:45:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:45:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from grazzt.umd.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26227; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:45:21 -0500 Received: from cw-u01.umd.umich.edu (adam@cw-u01 [141.215.69.4]) by grazzt.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA02590; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:44:26 -0500 Received: (adam@localhost) by cw-u01.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA26160; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:45:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Wilkinson X-Sender: adam@cw-u01.umd.umich.edu To: Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Audio drivers version 1.31 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Adam Wilkinson wrote: > On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu wrote: > > > Item Subject: Message text > > >>The true solution, which I have installed and am running > > >>quite happily with, is to upgrade to audio drivers 1.31 > > and > > >>apply a patch replacing the IBMMME.DRV with a new > > >>version that comes named IBMMME5.DRV. > > > > >>I've hesitated mentioning this to the group because I > > don't > > >>yet know how this is made available to the general public. > > >>I believe we got this through some type of corporate > > account. > > >>I'll try to find out how you can get this upgrade and > > >>post my findings to the group. > > > > The drivers are available from the IBM PC BBS. They are > > located in the file section called "Notebooks, portables, > > and ThinkPads" or something like that. The number for the > > BBS is (919)517-0001. > > > > Changing the subject, could someone please repost the > > location of the FAQ? I wanted to check and see if it has > > been updated since I last saw it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wesley T. Dunaway (dunaway@s9000.furman.edu) > > > > The patch does not appear to be available on the BBS - at least on the > ftp site. It is NOT included as part of Audio features v1.31. As I am > a technical specialist at the PC Co's largest customer and have 1300+ > ThinkPads, I think I'll call support and see if I can get the patch > kicked free. . . > Just got off the phone with IBM, and they're going to snail mail me a copy of IBMME5.DRV. I'm trying to find out what the restrictions on distibution are. Would the list members like it posted (UUencoded) if it can be distributed? -- Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:45:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29817 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:03:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26341; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:46:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:46:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26329; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:46:38 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15426; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:47:22 PST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:47:22 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412062147.AA15426@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Audio drivers version 1.31 In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Adam Wilkinson ' dated: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:02:55 -0500 (EST) > The patch does not appear to be available on the BBS - at least on the > ftp site. It is NOT included as part of Audio features v1.31. As I am > a technical specialist at the PC Co's largest customer and have 1300+ > ThinkPads, I think I'll call support and see if I can get the patch > kicked free. . . Unfortunately a lot of stuff on the BBS never makes it to the ftp site. From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:45:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04505 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:16:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28258; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:11:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:11:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28248; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:11:42 -0500 Received: from toddspc.caenn.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA130601899; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:11:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199412062211.AA130601899@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 16:11:33 -0600 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: Re: Audio drivers version 1.31 >On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Adam Wilkinson wrote: >Just got off the phone with IBM, and they're going to snail mail me a >copy of IBMME5.DRV. I'm trying to find out what the restrictions on >distibution are. Would the list members like it posted (UUencoded) if >it can be distributed? > yes, yes, YES!!! Please! Thanks Todd =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Todd Tannenbaum email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Director of the Model Advanced Facility voice phone: (608) 262-3118 Computuer-Aided Engineering Center FAX phone: (608) 265-4546 University of Wisconsin-Madison From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 15:09:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07185 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 20:08:26 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09800; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 20:03:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 20:03:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns9000.furman.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09783; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 20:03:02 -0500 From: Received: from by ns9000.furman.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA277302421; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 20:07:01 -0500 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:06:44 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Audio drivers version 1.31 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Item Subject: Message text >> The drivers are available from the IBM PC BBS. They are >> located in the file section called "Notebooks, portables, >> and ThinkPads" or something like that. The number for the >> BBS is (919)517-0001. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Wesley T. Dunaway (dunaway@s9000.furman.edu) >> > >The patch does not appear to be available on the BBS - at least on the >ftp site. It is NOT included as part of Audio features v1.31. As I am >a technical specialist at the PC Co's largest customer and have 1300+ >ThinkPads, I think I'll call support and see if I can get the patch >kicked free. . . I'm sorry to have made the mistake. I myself use OS/2 and inferred from the original message that the special patch *was* part of version 1.31 of the audio drivers. I hope I didn't cause any unnecessary long-distance phone calls. . . Wesley T. Dunaway (s9000.furman.edu) From ???@??? Tue Dec 06 18:45:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05499 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:18:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27584; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:02:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:01:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27572; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:01:57 -0500 Received: from whiteside.kendall.mdcc.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxtdw15038; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:01:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:50:38 EST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: RE: No more "out of memory" errors! (was: how comment out audio...) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii >>For those Windows 3.1x users who weren't following the earlier thread, >>commenting out the ThinkPad audio drivers from system.ini will save 182K of >>sub-1M memory. I used to get constant "out of memory" errors until I did >>this, now I haven't seen one for months. >I used to get lots of "out of memory" errors as well with Win 3.1 on my >Thinkpad. .. To be precise: ftp://ftp.cica.indiana.edu/pub/win3/util/moremem.zip >When you put MoreMem in your windows startup folder, it immediately grabs >memory from below 1meg and "reserves" it specifically for Windows PSPs. [blah blah blah] I was highly skeptical, so I went and got it. It works _great_. I'm writing my check now. In a nutshell: with the Audio driver loaded, I used to be able to open 3 apps. Using this program, I have running right now: Newt (the winsock app I use), Mail, Netscape, Archie, Ping, WordPerfect for Windows 5.2, Microsoft Publisher 2.0, Telnet,Telnet again, Adobe Acrobat reader and Moremem. The only suck thing is going to be waiting for the activation code in the mail..... ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 15:09:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04983 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:16:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23210; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:20:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:20:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23180; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:20:36 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA23567; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:20:20 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:20:52 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <84053.jokim@mit.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Audio drivers version 1.31 In message Tue, 06 Dec 1994 16:11:33 -0600, tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) writes: >>On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Adam Wilkinson wrote: >>Just got off the phone with IBM, and they're going to snail mail me a >> copy of IBMME5.DRV. I'm trying to find out what the restrictions on >> distibution are. Would the list members like it posted (UUencoded) if >> it can be distributed? > > yes, yes, YES!!! Please! The contact at IBM that told me about the ftp.pcco.ibm.com site is Mike (never got a last name), mlaye@vnet.ibm.com. You probably should include him in any questions about distribution. If the file is on the PC BBS, it shouldn't be a problem to put it on ftp.pcco.ibm.com since the two are supposed to be identical, but Mike may have to handle the actual file transfer. Also, he seemed to be interested in how useful the ftp site was. If it isn't echoing the PC BBS that well, perhaps it'll improve if enough people tell him they're using it and they want updates. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 15:09:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13748 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 02:48:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05544; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 03:00:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 03:00:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05524; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 03:00:34 -0500 Received: from colon.UUCP (jesse@localhost) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with UUCP id XAA02548 for get!CS.UTK.EDU!tp750; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:47:30 -0800 Received: from ankle.UUCP (root@localhost) by colon.spine.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id AAA14408 for get!CS.UTK.EDU!tp750; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 00:11:24 -0800 Received: by ankle.spine.com (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Tue, 06 Dec 1994 23:03:38 -0800 Message-Id: <2ee55e4a.ankle@ankle.spine.com> From: colon!jesse@get.hooked.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 355cs vs 755cs screen vomit? Sender: jesse montrose Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 23:03:38 -0800 On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:37:07 -0500 (EST) you wrote: > I know in Windows 3.1, I've had to use the VGA 3.0 driver on ThinkPads in the > past. Does Win95 have an equivalent? I didn't see anything like that.. you mean it happened with old thinkpads? And you got garbage on the screen using the standard vga driver? -- ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com jesse@xaostools.com jesse@hooked.net i don't recycle. i'm a consumer, damn it, i consume. From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 15:09:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27267 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:44:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01244; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:51:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:51:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jcpenney.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01227; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:51:24 -0500 Received: from osiris.jcpenney.com by jcpenney.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA10472; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 07:48:29 -0600 Received: by osiris.jcpenney.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14876; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 07:51:53 +0600 Message-Id: <9412071351.AA14876@osiris.jcpenney.com> From: JABURNS@jcpenney.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 07:51:53: CST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: IBMMME5.DRV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Description: IBMMME5.DRV As a follow up to my previous note on upgrading to audio features 1.31, here's some additional information that was sent to me with the IBMMME5.DRV patch: "... I just became aware of some additional information of significance concerning the new Audio driver I sent to you (IBMMME5.DRV). This version differs from a previous version (IBMMME4) in that: In order to gain the most memory in Windows, the following statement must be added to the (COMMON) section of TPAUDWIN.INI, located in the \WINDOWS\SYSTEM subdirectory: LOADHIGH=1". As mentioned before, this is working great for me. I also apologize for any confusion as to which OS this is being used with. I'm running PCDOS 6.3 with Windows for Workgroups 3.11. ******************************************************************************* John A. Burns Phone: (214) 591-6581 Sr. Technical Specialist Fax: (214) 531-6581 Advanced Information Technologies PROFS/jMail: JABURNS JCPenney Co., Inc. net: jaburns@jcpenney.com From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 15:09:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25111 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:05:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05686; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:56:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:56:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05674; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:56:01 -0500 Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id GAA12337; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:56:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:56:02 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Buffington Subject: Re: IBMMME5.DRV To: JABURNS@jcpenney.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9412071351.AA14876@osiris.jcpenney.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I got in this discussion late. Where can I FTP the latest TP 755 drivers and bios upgrades? Thanks. rogjd@netcom.com Glendale, CA AB6WR On Wed, 7 Dec 1994 JABURNS@jcpenney.com wrote: > > > > As a follow up to my previous note on upgrading to audio features 1.31, here's some additional information that was sent to me with the IBMMME5.DRV patch: > > "... I just became aware of some additional information of significance > concerning the new Audio driver I sent to you (IBMMME5.DRV). This > version differs from a previous version (IBMMME4) in that: > > In order to gain the most memory in Windows, the following > statement must be added to the (COMMON) section of > TPAUDWIN.INI, located in the \WINDOWS\SYSTEM subdirectory: > > LOADHIGH=1". > > As mentioned before, this is working great for me. I also apologize for any confusion as to which OS this is being used with. I'm running PCDOS 6.3 with Windows for Workgroups 3.11. > > > ******************************************************************************* > John A. Burns Phone: (214) 591-6581 > Sr. Technical Specialist Fax: (214) 531-6581 > Advanced Information Technologies PROFS/jMail: JABURNS > JCPenney Co., Inc. net: jaburns@jcpenney.com > > > > From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 15:09:42 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00197 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:17:01 -0600 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17961; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:16:35 -0600 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa10400; 7 Dec 94 11:04 EST Received: from motgate.mot.com by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa10396; 7 Dec 94 11:04 EST Received: from pobox.mot.com by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA27645; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:04:04 -0600 Received: from motcig.cig.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1) id AA28647; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:04:01 -0600 Received: from saker.ecid.cig.mot.com (saker.ecid.cig.mot.com [175.2.2.23]) by motcig.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/SCERG-RELAY-1.11) with ESMTP id KAA10560; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:03:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199412071603.KAA10560@motcig.cig.mot.com> From: Bill Donald Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:03:31 +0000 In-Reply-To: Jim Simpson "Re: XGA-2 Cards and Non-IBM Monitors" (Dec 7, 12:26am) References: <199412070529.AA04823@motgate.mot.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.1 01jun94) To: j5simpso@sms.business.uwo.ca Subject: ThinkPad 700/720 Docking Station Cc: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Your posting caught my attention, as I have an identical setup as you. I > have a TP720 (mono, 160Meg Hd, 12 Meg Ram), a 3550-002 docking station > with an internal 330 meg SCSI HD, an external 40 Meg SCSI HD, and a > Sony CDU-55S SCSI-II CD-ROM drive. I have the 8515 monitor attached to the > docking station, and I have wanted to upgrade the video as well, so that I > can run dual headed under OS/2, and get more than 16 colours under OS/2 > and Dos/Windoz. Of interest is the fact that the mono tp7?0 units do not > use the video pass-through on the 16bit MCA interface ports, only the c > models (ie active colour) ones use the passthrough. This effectively limits > putting an 8514/a card in the system. The alternative I was looking at was > the XGA-II (as XGA-I only comes in 32bit flavour), but I have not had the > chance to try it out yet. > > If possible, could you please let me know how it works out, and which > alternative you would suggest. > > Thanks, > > Jim Simpson, B.E.Sc. > > j5simpso@wbs.business.uwo.ca > Western Business School > The University of Western Ontario > Jim, I should be taking delivery of the XGA-II card next week - so it could be a couple of weeks before I'm able to report anything. I certainly don't expect any problems since its my understanding that the XGA-II card acts as a bus master and will process the video correctly. If you look in advanced setup, there is an option to display internal mono and external colour collectively or separately. Anyway, fingers crossed - 1024 x 768 here we come!! The dock forms the basis of quite a punchy little system - the 720 has 16MB and I've installed a 1GB Spitfire in the dock, so backups of the C drive are not an issue any more!! (phew, I was always concerned about that). This more or less negates looking for a larger drive for the ThinkPad itself - in practical terms you are stuffed since the 700/720 drives are ESDI, and only Big Blue Japan made them, although there is/was a dealer-fit option for a 240MB drive. I can dig out the part numbers if anyone is interested. I managed to get hold of the tech publications for the 3550 dock - details below - so if you (or anyone else) needs part numbers, pinouts, etc., let me know. I still waiting for the tech ref pubs for the 720 itself, hopefully arriving by the end of next week. IBM 3550 Expansion Unit model 002 Hardware Maintenance Reference p/n 42G-2331-00 Hardware Maintenance Service p/n 42G-2332-00 -- Bill Donald donaldb@ecid.cig.mot.com Documentation Group Tel: (44) 017 9350 0088 Motorola ECID FAX: (44) 017 9354 1226 Swindon, SN5 8YQ Home email: wkd@farnbell.demon.co.uk Wilts. UK G7ENQ From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 15:09:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25931 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:16:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11968; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:15:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:15:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11954; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:15:45 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5155; Wed, 07 Dec 94 11:15:46 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 9195; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:15:45 EST Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 07 Dec 94 11:15:44 EST Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA28863; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:15:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:15:36 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9412071615.AA28863@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TrackPoint III Hi, I was wondering what the difference was between the TrackPoint II and the TrackPoint III? --andy From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 15:09:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26101 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:24:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21269; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:12:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:12:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hti.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21259; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:12:15 -0500 Received: from dialnet4.hti.net (dialnet4.hti.net [198.70.56.44]) by hti.net (8.6.8.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA11664 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:12:04 -0600 Internet-Provider: Hudson-Trinity Inc. Houston, TX 77058 (713) 333-9558 Message-Id: <199412071812.MAA11664@hti.net> X-Sender: ptran@hti.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 12:08:53 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ptran@hti.net (Paul Tran) X-Mailer: I would like to find out if we can upgrade the TP750C or TP750CE. If this question is in the FQA, then please direct me how to get it. Hard Disk Upgrade ? from 340MB CPU Upgrade ? from 486DX-25/50 As I know from IBM, we can not upgrade CPU. The cost to upgrade hard disk to 540MB and 810MB is very significant. Can we add a regular Quantum, Seagate HD for a cheaper price. Can we use any Intel upgrade chip to bring this CPU up. Thank you. From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 15:09:49 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06899 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:42:54 -0600 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18067; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:42:26 -0600 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa03606; 7 Dec 94 12:28 EST Received: from motgate.mot.com by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa03600; 7 Dec 94 12:28 EST Received: from pobox.mot.com by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA11235; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:28:13 -0600 Received: from motcig.cig.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA15251; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:28:11 -0600 Received: from saker.ecid.cig.mot.com (saker.ecid.cig.mot.com [175.2.2.23]) by motcig.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/SCERG-RELAY-1.11) with ESMTP id LAA28413 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:27:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199412071727.LAA28413@motcig.cig.mot.com> From: Bill Donald Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:27:34 +0000 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.1 01jun94) To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu Subject: TrackPoint III Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Hi, I was wondering what the difference was between the TrackPoint II > and the TrackPoint III? > > --andy Sorry Andy, but I had to chuckle when I saw the Watson site in your signature. You proved yet again that working at a company that is supplying the product is no guarantee that they'll bother to inform the employees. Some random thoughts on the differences: 1. Works for left-handed users 2. Direct connect to mains power if unauthorised user detected 3. Switches on front fog lights for ThinkPad 760 GTI model 4. Causes all mobile phones in immediate vicinity to ring non-stop until their nicad is dead 5. Releases hidden built-in handle so you can use ThinkPad to iron your clothes while playing Doom. -- Bill Donald donaldb@ecid.cig.mot.com Documentation Group Tel: (44) 017 9350 0088 Motorola ECID FAX: (44) 017 9354 1226 Swindon, SN5 8YQ Home email: wkd@farnbell.demon.co.uk Wilts. UK G7ENQ From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 22:32:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14334 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:08:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04334; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:00:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:00:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04318; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:00:21 -0500 Received: from colon.UUCP (jesse@localhost) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA17840 for get!CS.UTK.EDU!tp750; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:57:27 -0800 Received: from ankle.UUCP (root@localhost) by colon.spine.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id NAA16575 for get!CS.UTK.EDU!tp750; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:26:27 -0800 Received: by ankle.spine.com (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Wed, 07 Dec 1994 11:38:40 -0800 Message-Id: <2ee60f40.ankle@ankle.spine.com> From: colon!jesse@get.hooked.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Win95 (was: 355cs vs 755cs screen vomit?) Sender: jesse montrose Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 11:38:40 -0800 On Tue, 06 Dec 1994 18:35:03 +0100 you wrote: > Jesse, aside from this video problem, can you comment on your experiences > with Chicago on the ThinkPad? Especially interested in PCMCIA device > compatibility, resolution on external monitors, and installation medium > (network CD? big stack of floppies?). Okay, here's the scoop (or at least from my experience). Overall, I'm quite pleased. There are still bugs, but for my work it's more reliable than win3.1, so I'm glad to have it. If you can get hold of it, and are using windows 3.1 now, you'll probably be glad you did. If you're using os/2, you probably won't be impressed. I have 12 megs, and it's pretty smooth, but I'm considering taking the plunge on one of those weird 32meg thingies. Even though the memory management seems pretty decent, I end up loading up a lot of stuff, often including photoshop (big hog). MOUSE - I tried for a while with the internal mouse driver, but there must be a bug in it, my mouse was going painfully slow (and with a trackpoint, that's real pain) and the speed settings didn't effect it. I stumbled on the solution of loading the dos mouse.com, and it zips along fine now, with the only downside being that when the system is loaded, the mouse slows down and gets a bit jerky. PCMCIA - I only use one, a MHZ xjack, and it was a bit of a hassle. I first installed chicago over my existing dos/windows setup, and it kept all the drivers intact. Eventually I had to remove the drivers manually and reinstall, then go into the new "add new equip" control panel and add the generic pcmcia manager, and it works just fine now. There are other tp'ers in the beta, and I've heard that network cards are working too. Monitors - I have a 755cs, and I haven't tried driving an external at higher res, but there is a hardware profile setting, just for that purpose. You can create a hardware profile for a standalone or a docked setup, and switch between them. I'll try it later and report. Installation - not too bad, I don't have a scsi card (I'll take this moment to grumble at that, I think it ought to be built in) but I do have a parallel port tape drive for my thinkpad, so I copied the 20 meg of installation dir from the cd to a tape and then restored it to my thinkpad. This solution ended up being pretty nice, since I ended up reinstalling a few times, and could do it straight from my harddrive without any fuss. I did have a nasty time of the actual install, had to play with disabling and enabling drivers. Now that it's up and running, I am working pretty problem-free. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com jesse@xaostools.com jesse@hooked.net i don't recycle. i'm a consumer, damn it, i consume. From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 22:32:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29380 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:42:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04305; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:00:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:00:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04283; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:00:09 -0500 Received: from colon.UUCP (jesse@localhost) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA17846 for get!CS.UTK.EDU!tp750; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:57:28 -0800 Received: from ankle.UUCP (root@localhost) by colon.spine.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id NAA16578 for get!CS.UTK.EDU!tp750; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:26:28 -0800 Received: by ankle.spine.com (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Wed, 07 Dec 1994 11:54:18 -0800 Message-Id: <2ee612ea.ankle@ankle.spine.com> From: colon!jesse@get.hooked.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Waverunner PCMCIA Modem Sender: jesse montrose Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 11:54:18 -0800 On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:11:48 -0500 (EST) you wrote: > Comments: Looks nice, too bad v.34 won't be in it until June however. > > IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem Wow! I'm drooling, I'm drooling.. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com jesse@xaostools.com jesse@hooked.net i don't recycle. i'm a consumer, damn it, i consume. From ???@??? Wed Dec 07 22:32:37 1994 Received: from hti.net (wally.hti.net) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05362 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:55:03 -0600 Received: from dialnet0.hti.net (dialnet0.hti.net [198.70.56.40]) by hti.net (8.6.8.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA16481 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:55:07 -0600 Internet-Provider: Hudson-Trinity Inc. Houston, TX 77058 (713) 333-9558 Message-Id: <199412072255.QAA16481@hti.net> X-Sender: ptran@hti.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 16:51:55 -0500 To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) From: ptran@hti.net (Paul Tran) Subject: Re: ARGH! X-Mailer: >Recently, I had the pleasure of getting a new hard drive. >Unfortunately, I had the misfortue of not properly backing >up my system and thus, I have lost a LOT of the Thinkpad >mail-list messages. Does anyone have any of it backed >up? I don't know the extent of the damage yet but it seems >as if it will span at least two months. Sean, I am new to the list. So where can I get the TP750 FAQ file ? If you lost it. Can you send me an old one ? Thanks. From ???@??? Thu Dec 08 02:01:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03646 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:03:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03342; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:06:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:06:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03332; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:06:04 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA15441; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:06:00 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:06:33 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <83194.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: In message Wed, 07 Dec 1994 12:08:53 -0500, ptran@hti.net (Paul Tran) writes: > As I know from IBM, we can not upgrade CPU. > The cost to upgrade hard disk to 540MB and 810MB is very significant. > > Can we add a regular Quantum, Seagate HD for a cheaper price. The TP75x uses 17mm high drives. Most of the 2.5" drives out there are 19mm. There are a couple that are 14mm (none over ~340MB last I heard), and many of the subnotebooks use 12.5mm drives. You may want to buy an IBM OEM drive. It's the same thing as the TP drive only without the plastic case. Costs about half what IBM charges. I'm sure someone has the info on Micro Machines or Sigma Data(?). You will need a flash BIOS update to use drives >500MB on the 750. > Can we use any Intel upgrade chip to bring this CPU up. I believe the TP750 CPUs, even the CE, are not socketed. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:34:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07937 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 04:47:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23822; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 04:54:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 04:54:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from maxwell.otago.ac.nz by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23811; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 04:54:38 -0500 Received: by maxwell.otago.ac.nz (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27796; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:55:17 +1300 Message-Id: <9412080955.AA27796@maxwell.otago.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:55:06 +1200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: mccord@maxwell.otago.ac.nz (Alan McCord) Subject: Can Windows NT run on a TP755C ? If anyone has successfully installed NT (any version) on their ThinkPad 755c???? I'd be very keen to know how. I tried the installing 3.1 from floppies and it died in a big way when it got to the reboot stage of installation freezing with a screenful of cryptic text. Are there any tricks to installing NT on the 755C? Thanks for any help.... //\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\ \\ Alan McCord Phone: +64-(3)-4797805 // // Physics Department Fax: +64-(3)-4797904 \\ \\ University of Otago Email: mccord@maxwell.otago.ac.nz // // P.O.Box 56 University Telephone Paging System: \\ \\ Dunedin +64-(3)-4797500-beep-42 // // New Zealand Home Phone: +64-(3)-4780087 \\ \\ Home Fax: +64-(3)-4780666 // \\ Cell Phone: +64-(25)-345901 \\ //\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\ From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:34:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13598 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:35:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13818; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:37:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:37:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13807; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:37:53 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id JAA09281; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:40:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:40:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Randal Whittle Cc: Tim Vetter , TP Subject: Re: TrackPoint III In-Reply-To: <199412080253.SAA07520@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > >Hi, I was wondering what the difference was between the TrackPoint II > > >and the TrackPoint III? > > > Um, as I understand, there are only two differences: 1. Improved no-slip > > rubber "clit"; > > Umm...are you sure you meant to use that word?! ;) Actually, I laughed my head off. My mac counterpoint has been calling it that for months, I'm glad we're not the only ones sick enough to come up with that independantly.... From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:34:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14090 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:37:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14145; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:42:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:42:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14129; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:42:14 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id JAA09354; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:44:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: In-Reply-To: <83194.jokim@mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > You may want to buy an IBM OEM drive. It's the same thing as the TP drive > only without the plastic case. Costs about half what IBM charges. I'm > sure someone has the info on Micro Machines or Sigma Data(?). > If someone could post this info, I'd appreciate it. I'm thinking about buying one, but most of the drive resellers don't advertise 2.5 drives in their Computer Shopper ads and I don't want to have to make 10 phone calls to shop prices. Plus, I'll put it on the page for other to refer to. From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:34:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28208 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:21:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22680; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:24:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:24:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22670; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:24:32 -0500 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA28507; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:24:26 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:24:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: HD info To: Don Whiteside Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The deal is still available. Make sure however that you use Peter Kusinski as a contact. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Don Whiteside wrote: > Against my better judgement..... > > We keep seeing requests for info on the HD upgrades, and I don't think it's > made it into the FAQ yet. So..... people can now point their web browsers at > http://www.shadow.net/~dwhite/thinkpad.html and see the crappy little page I > have set up to serve the text files I have saved on the subject. > > Current topics are: > Mreagin's comments about using a NEC 3xp cdrom with his pad. (If you want > me to take it off, M, let me know - don't want to step on your intelectual > property or nothing.....) > The 3 message conversation John Kim and I had about what would be necessary > to remove the HD from the case and put a bigger HD in. > The Sigma Data info for replacement drives > The Sigma Data deal for TP list members. I'm uncertain if this is still > available - if it's not, tell me and I'll kill it from the page. > > ======================================================================== > Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science > Eternal Student Florida International University > GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ > I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. > ======================================================================== > > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:34:49 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00482 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:26:09 -0600 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14984; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:25:41 -0600 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa10759; 8 Dec 94 12:11 EST Received: from linc.cis.upenn.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa10741; 8 Dec 94 12:10 EST Received: from retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (RETINA.ANATOMY.UPENN.EDU [165.123.30.40]) by linc.cis.upenn.edu (8.6.9/UPenn 1.4) with SMTP id MAA29696; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:10:37 -0500 Posted-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:10:37 -0500 Received: by retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19724; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:08:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:08:37 -0500 (EST) From: Nicholai Hel Subject: Re: Help with Laplink for WIndows Needed To: Carlo Barrientos Cc: Bruce Bellingham , ThinkPad 500 email list In-Reply-To: <9412081514.AA15801@degas.amd.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My impression (first and second hand) is that the cheap and fast way to transfer information is to buy a null-modem cable (around $8) to use with the parallel ports. A set of "Laplink cables" will include one of these and a 2x1 serial cable (DB9 and DB25 on one end, DB9 on the other) for about $20. Alternatively, generic laplink cables sometimes come as 2x2 so you can also transfer easily between two desktops and should cost something under $10. Having both can be useful if you'd like to have something which doesn't occupy the printer port on your desktop machine and that you can leave attached most of the time, with the option of using the printer port when you're transferring in volume. From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:34:50 1994 Received: from mailgate.exnet.com (earlgrey.exnet.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17824 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:05:00 -0600 Received: from exnet.com (assam.exnet.com) by mailgate.exnet.com with SMTP id AA23615 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:04:08 GMT Received: from maildrop.exnet.com (ceylon) by exnet.com with SMTP id AA15878 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:02:00 GMT Received: from fonix.UUCP by maildrop.exnet.com (4.1/client-1.2DHD) id AA26350; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:01:50 GMT To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: subscribe From: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Message-Id: <5794.150.uupcb@fonix.org> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 16:59:00 -0100 Organization: FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, UK ~ +44 (344) 306986/7/8/9 Reply-To: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Sean, Sorry to ask *you* this, but I can't remember the person's name you gave me last time I had a question... At the moment, I d'load the TP conference to my BBS ID, but I also have an Internet ID attached to my company e-mail system. Is it possible, d'you think, to send a message from my BBS id (ie patrick.whittick@fonix.org), but with my 'other' address (PATRICK- WHITTICK-18/417+aIUP%Ford@mcimail.com) in the body of the text ? Shown below is one (who, coincidentally, also works for Ford), where I've marked (^) where I *think* I'd need to make some changes. To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:27:16 EST subscribe tp750 awilkin1@ren0010.so.ford.com -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Adam Lee Wilkinson Portable Computing Technology Specialist Ford Motor Co. - Marketing & Sales Systems awilkin1@ren0010.so.ford.com I'd be very grateful for any advice - or at least the name of the person I should speak to ! Regards patrick.whittick@fonix.org - Patrick Whittick in Daventry, England --- . CMPQwk 1.42-17 9237 . Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, Berkshire UK ~ +44 (0)344 306986 12 lines! | | 9 Gig - RsaNET - ILink - RIME (->FONIX) - FidoNET (2:252/171) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:34:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22732 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:23:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00166; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:18:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:18:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from halon.sybase.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00155; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:18:32 -0500 Received: from sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com) by halon.sybase.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA20827; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:22:20 +0800 Received: from annapurna.sybgate.sybase.com by sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA13121; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:19:39 PST Received: by annapurna.sybgate.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybEC3.2) id AA10706; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:19:26 PST Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:19:26 PST From: jywong@sybase.com (John Wong) Message-Id: <9412081819.AA10706@annapurna.sybgate.sybase.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Pratical Peripherals's XJACK modem clone Hi all, Has anyone done any research or bought Pratical Peripheral's PC144T2 fax/modem pcmcia card? It looks cheaper, faster, and less power drain than Megahertz's XJACK gold card. I'm also wondering if the PC144T2 has that "bad-line" sensor so that it would beep or tell the user that the card is connected to a digital phoneline, like the XJACK gold. And has someone tried New Media's Sound/SCSI combo card? thanks, john. From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20083 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:25:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02006; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:52:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:52:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01967; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:52:33 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:52 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rFnws-0003eMC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:52 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 19:50:27 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: TrackPoint III X-Mailer: >> >Hi, I was wondering what the difference was between the TrackPoint II >> >and the TrackPoint III? > >> Um, as I understand, there are only two differences: 1. Improved no-slip >> rubber "clit"; > > Umm...are you sure you meant to use that word?! ;) Well, it kinda fits, wouldn't you say? Then again, I suppose the Trackpoint *is* a lot easier to find :-) Still, I imagine that us ThinkPadders have among the best-trained index fingers in the universe, and it's only a matter of time before the word gets out ... Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de -- Bringing dubious taste to mailing lists everywhere -- From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06607 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:12:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10929; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:57:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:57:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10916; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:56:57 -0500 Received: from dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 08 Dec 94 15:57:18 EST Received: from DORMNET/MAILQUEUE by dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.12); Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:56:51 GMT+7 Received: from MAILQUEUE by DORMNET (Mercury 1.12); Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:56:22 GMT+7 From: "Guy Farrell" Organization: UConn Residence Halls To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:56:20 EST Subject: Re: Re: TrackPoint III Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <154B926E84@dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu> > >> >Hi, I was wondering what the difference was between the TrackPoint II > >> >and the TrackPoint III? > > > >> Um, as I understand, there are only two differences: 1. Improved no-slip > >> rubber "clit"; > > > > Umm...are you sure you meant to use that word?! ;) > > Well, it kinda fits, wouldn't you say? > > Then again, I suppose the Trackpoint *is* a lot easier to find :-) > > Still, I imagine that us ThinkPadders have among the best-trained index > fingers in the universe, and it's only a matter of time before the word gets > out ... i've worn mine out...well not just me. all the guys in my dorm make good use of my ThinkPad 350 and its TrackPoint II :> PS - anyone know the easiest way to get a replacement. i'm stuck in Storrs, CT (20min east of Hartford). thanks in advance. guy ...................................................................... . Guy W. Farrell . . Laboratory Science House . . University of Connecticut - Class of 199? . . . .E-mail: gfarrell@dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu . .V-mail: (203) 427-2864 . ...................................................................... From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06721 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:12:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10196; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:46:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:45:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10178; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:45:55 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26193; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:46:33 PST Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:46:33 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412082046.AA26193@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Socketed 750 CPU's In-Reply-To: Mail from '"John H. Kim" ' dated: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:06:33 -0500 (EST) > > Can we use any Intel upgrade chip to bring this CPU up. > > I believe the TP750 CPUs, even the CE, are not socketed. I'm pretty sure the 750C's are socketed. They are available as a 50Mhz, or a 75Mhz 486 with the same motherboard. I was told by IBM tech support that the upgrade consisted of replacing a socketed cpu. Theoretically, you _should_ be able to replace the cpu with a DX4-100 chip. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06898 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:21:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15763; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:04:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:04:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15753; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:04:38 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA14736; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:00:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:00:16 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9412082200.AA14736@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's "Theoretically, you *should* be able to replace the cpu with a DX4-100 chip be careful, this means changing the fundamental external clock speed from 25MHz to 33 MHz, which of course is aquite independent of socketed CPU's. However, the original announcement of the 750 said that it would be available with 100 MHz chips, so this may be possible. From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12247 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:35:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17491; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:25:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:25:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from panix2.panix.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17474; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:24:58 -0500 Received: by panix2.panix.com id AA27748 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:24:45 -0500 From: Robert Cutler Message-Id: <199412082224.AA27748@panix2.panix.com> Subject: Re: TrackPoint III To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:24:44 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Donald A. Whiteside" at Dec 8, 94 09:40:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > > >Hi, I was wondering what the difference was between the TrackPoint II > > > >and the TrackPoint III? > > > > > Um, as I understand, there are only two differences: 1. Improved no-slip > > > rubber "clit"; > > > > Umm...are you sure you meant to use that word?! ;) > > Actually, I laughed my head off. My mac counterpoint has been calling it > that for months, I'm glad we're not the only ones sick enough to come up > with that independantly.... Great. But please don't clutter my mailbox with this chatter. Congratulations to Randal Whittle on his newborn too, but I don't think his announcement to the list and subsequent banter was appropriate either. It was, at least, in better taste than the above trash. Please confine postings to technical discussions and create a newgroup such as alt.thinkpad.shmooze for other communications. -- { "Expect no words of my own from me. Those who now have | Robert Cutler } { nothing to say because actions are speaking continue to | =Am function, } { talk. Let him who has something to say come forward and | ====will map. } { be silent!" --Karl Kraus, _In These Great Times_ (1914) | rmc@panix.com } From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29018 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:33:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21151; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:15:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:15:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub-gate.UB.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21133; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:15:50 -0500 Received: from garfield (garfield.UB.com) by ub-gate.UB.com (4.1/SMI-4.1[UB-1.9]) id AA06529; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:15:11 PST Received: from smtp.UB.com ([128.203.7.39]) by garfield (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19517; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:15:01 PST Received: by smtp.UB.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.0)/1.2) id AA0669; Thu, 08 Dec 94 15:16:16 -0800 Message-Id: <9412082316.AA0669@smtp.UB.com> Received: from UB with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 7E41300EDC34F479852561200001DE71; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:16:15 To: tp750 From: Ken Yee/UB Networks Date: 8 Dec 94 19:21:51 EDT Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain > be careful, this means changing the fundamental external clock speed from > 25MHz to 33 MHz, which of course is aquite independent of socketed CPU's. > However, the original announcement of the 750 said that it would be > available with 100 MHz chips, so this may be possible. This was probably at the time when Intel was talking about clock quadruplers, so they might have been assuming the same external frequency... ken From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03502 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:49:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22878; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:49:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:49:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22867; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:49:28 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA17231; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:49:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:49:53 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9412082349.AA17231@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: Ken_Yee@UB.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's intel never talked about clock quadruplers, some magazines got confused by the name DX-4, but that seems irrelevant to the thinkpad situation. It is quite likely that the motherboard in the 750 is dual frequency. After all 33 MHz is still slow, and easily achieved From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06521 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:59:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23019; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:54:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:54:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23009; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:54:16 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA03318; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:54:14 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:54:45 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <68086.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Socketed 750 CPU's In message Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:46:33 PST, george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) writes: >> > Can we use any Intel upgrade chip to bring this CPU up. >> >> I believe the TP750 CPUs, even the CE, are not socketed. > > I'm pretty sure the 750C's are socketed. They are available as a 50Mhz, > or a 75Mhz 486 with the same motherboard. I was told by IBM tech support > that the upgrade consisted of replacing a socketed cpu. Now wait a second. The TP750, 750CS and 750C all use the Intel 486SL/33 CPU which has been discontinued. Even if it were socketed, I doubt a 486DX would fit in its place - the SL has some functions built into it that are missing on the DX/SX. The 750CE uses a 486DX2. As does the 755 series. But the 750CE is an earlier incarnation of the 755 (and predates the DX4), so I'm not sure the CPU is socketed. The 755 series *is* socketed. At least that's what I was told when I asked IBM soon after it was introduced. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17032 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:33:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25684; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:32:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:32:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25674; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:32:23 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id TAA29502; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:34:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:34:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Robert Cutler Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TrackPoint III In-Reply-To: <199412082224.AA27748@panix2.panix.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Great. But please don't clutter my mailbox with this chatter. Congratulations > to Randal Whittle on his newborn too, but I don't think his announcement to > the list and subsequent banter was appropriate either. It was, at least, in > better taste than the above trash. Please confine postings to technical > discussions and create a newgroup such as alt.thinkpad.shmooze for other > communications. a) Feel free to have your mail client send my postings straight to the trash. b) You'll find me a lot more cooperative if you ask nicely rather than refer to poor taste and "trash." It's not that I don't sympathize - I get way too much mail as it is. But of the mailing lists that I subscribe to, this is the only one that stays this much on track. Randal's announcement is the first non-techno one I've seen in all my time on this list. And now I know the difference in warr. coverage between the 3xx and 7xx series... happy trails From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01121 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:21:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28985; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:19:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:19:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Pion.champion.tcs.co.jp by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28964; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:19:13 -0500 Received: from champion.tcs.co.jp by champion.tcs.co.jp (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA16086 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:25:41 +0900 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:25:41 +0900 From: Lee Hounshell Message-Id: <199412090125.KAA16086@Pion.champion.tcs.co.jp> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: X11R6 XF86Config: has anyone succeeded yet? Ok... I know I can't be the only TP755 user out there who got tired of messyDos and switched to Linux. I was running X11R5 quite happily until I recently tried to upgrade to X11R6. The X11 config file was renamed from Xconfig to XF86Config, but more importantly the contents and structure have changed.... If someone out there has a working XF86Config, please post or email. On a related subject, does anyone know the Horizontal and Vertical scan rates for the TP755C (active matrix) screen? I think the Horizontal is 28.3 Mhz, but I don't know what the vertical is. This info in necessary to configure X11R6 under Linux. Any help would be appreciated. Does a technical ref manual exist for the TP755C? Perhaps that would have the info I need..... (all the video specs, actually...) -Lee lee@tcs.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12036 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:06:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02685; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:13:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:13:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hincks.physics.carleton.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02675; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:13:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: GODFREY@physics.carleton.ca Message-Id: <941208211325.22c051a7@physics.carleton.ca> Subject: WARP >From traffic in this group I got the impression that WARP is pretty good so I took the plunge and got a copy. Before I install it are there any warnings or advice other than the pcmcia.sys and icrmu01.sys files. I am mainly going this way for cleaner networking. Does anybody know if I can assign network printers using OS2? Thanks in advance, Steve Godfrey From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13349 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:11:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02812; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:15:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:15:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02791; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:15:19 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06918; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:16:02 PST Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:16:02 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412090216.AA06918@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Socketed 750 CPU's In-Reply-To: Mail from '"John H. Kim" ' dated: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:54:45 -0500 (EST) > >> > Can we use any Intel upgrade chip to bring this CPU up. > >> > >> I believe the TP750 CPUs, even the CE, are not socketed. > > > > I'm pretty sure the 750C's are socketed. They are available as a 50Mhz, > > or a 75Mhz 486 with the same motherboard. I was told by IBM tech support > > that the upgrade consisted of replacing a socketed cpu. > > Now wait a second. The TP750, 750CS and 750C all use the Intel 486SL/33 > CPU which has been discontinued. Even if it were socketed, I doubt a 486DX > would fit in its place - the SL has some functions built into it that are > missing on the DX/SX. > > The 750CE uses a 486DX2. As does the 755 series. But the 750CE is an No. The 755 uses the DX-4. > earlier incarnation of the 755 (and predates the DX4), so I'm not sure the > CPU is socketed. The 755 series *is* socketed. At least that's what I was > told when I asked IBM soon after it was introduced. Sorry, misprint. I _had_ a 750C, but I replaced it with a 755C. The 755C has either a DX4-50 or a DX4-75. I purchased the DX4-75 which were rare at the time. I was originally approached by IBM to purchase the DX4-50 laptop, and they would just replace the chip with a DX4-75. This implied to me that the chip is socketed, and that the motherboard somehow autosenses which chip is socketed. One of the selling points of the DX-50 laptop was that you could upgrade it someday to a DX4-75 by merely dropping in a new chip. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25541 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:59:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05866; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:05:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:05:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05832; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:04:56 -0500 Received: from athena.fi.gs.com by tink.com (PMDF V4.3-10 #5880) id <01HKEZCLLLIO8WXLPR@tink.com>; Thu, 08 Dec 1994 21:45:28 -0500 (EDT) Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #7425) id <01HKEZ5YLO00986EBG@gs.com>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:40:04 EDT Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #7425) id <01HKEZ5WW1N4986EE3@gs.com>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:40:01 EDT Received: from escher.psd.gs.com by paradev1 (4.1/Para2.1) id AA24278; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:42:20 EST Received: by escher.psd.gs.com (4.1/Para2.1) id AA15292; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:42:20 EST Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 21:42:20 -0500 (EST) From: padwad@psd.gs.com (Danny Padwa) Subject: Suspend Mode - what am I missing?? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <9412090242.AA24278@paradev1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I expect this problem is more a product of my own stupidity than anything else, but..... Is anyone else having problems with suspend (or even sleep) under Windows?? I can get it to beep (kind of an errorish buzz) when I hit the Fn-F4 combo, but that's about it. I even tried booting without my PCMCIA cards (I usually keep an Mhz modem and an IBM Ethernet card in there....easiest way to avoid losing them!)....then I could get it to flash its suspend light, but nothing more. This used to work a while back.....have there been problems? I'm using the latest (I think) BIOS and utilities from the FTP site, including EZplay for the PCMCIA stuff. Thanks in advance for any advice, - Danny From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01457 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:22:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07111; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:27:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:27:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07101; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:27:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Socketed 360 CPU's To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:27:07 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Tyhurst In-Reply-To: <9412090216.AA06918@cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Dec 8, 94 06:16:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9412082227.aa25661@dogmead.excelsior.com> All this talk of socketed CPUs made me curious, so using some notes that Wes Byrne (byrne@austin.asc.slb.com) posted to this list a couple of months ago, I opened up my 360Cs to see if its processor is socketed. I didn't disassemble the individual circuit boards, but I did take it apart far enough to convince myself that the 360 CPU is not socketed. I'd be surprised if the 755 processors are, either, unless their internal design is significantly different than the 360 -- there just doesn't appear to be enough space for a socket (at least, not unless low profile sockets exist). BTW, Wes reported that the processor on his 750 is also surface mount soldered. Finally, to tie this in to an earlier thread, I did this exploratory surgery while washing a load of diapers. I can confirm that small children are fascinated by ThinkPad keyboards :-) -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03417 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:30:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07383; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:32:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:32:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07371; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:32:34 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA17970; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:33:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:33:08 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9412090333.AA17970@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Socketed 750 CPU's what on earth is a DX4-50, never heard of such a chip, the only 755's I have seen in this speed range have DX2-50's in them From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26630 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:03:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13420; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:04:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:04:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13386; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:04:13 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:04 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rFxUu-0003f4C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:04 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 06:02:12 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: TrackPoint III (the last word) X-Mailer: Robert Cutler posted, non-technically: >> [blah blah] ... than the above trash. Please confine postings to technical >> discussions and create a newgroup such as alt.thinkpad.shmooze for other >> communications. Donald Whiteside replied: >a) Feel free to have your mail client send my postings straight to the trash. >b) You'll find me a lot more cooperative if you ask nicely rather than >refer to poor taste and "trash." Amen, Donald, I'd consider it an honour to be in this guy's killfile. Seriously, if any of the group feels I or someone else are getting out of line with regards bandwidth consumption or subject matter, take it up with us through e-mail, don't aggravate the problem by posting to the world. And as Donald points out so well, courtesy and tact usually make for a winning approach. Unless there are objections, I will now officially lay the controversial "TrackPoint III" thread to rest ...................... There, it's done, we can all relax and get back to safe non-Freudian topics like CPU sockets ... uh, wait a second ... ;-) Have a swell weekend, Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02297 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:29:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15275; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:36:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:36:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15264; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:36:54 -0500 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17445; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:36:17 -0600 Received: from gudstra.uhc.com by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA159951; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:36:10 -0600 Message-Id: <9412090536.AA159951@lochness.uhc.com> X-Sender: gbu@lochness.uhc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 23:35:05 -0600 To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: gbu@uhc.com (Gary Udstrand) Subject: RE: Socketed 750 CPU's The 755 takes a small daughtercard, I have a 755 that is 50 Mhz and is shortly going to be upgraded to 75Mhz. The 755 is the only CPU upgradeable ThinkPad I believe. At 06:54 PM 12/8/94 -0500, jokim@mit.edu wrote: >In message Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:46:33 PST, > george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) writes: > >>> > Can we use any Intel upgrade chip to bring this CPU up. >>> >>> I believe the TP750 CPUs, even the CE, are not socketed. >> >> I'm pretty sure the 750C's are socketed. They are available as a 50Mhz, >> or a 75Mhz 486 with the same motherboard. I was told by IBM tech support >> that the upgrade consisted of replacing a socketed cpu. > >Now wait a second. The TP750, 750CS and 750C all use the Intel 486SL/33 >CPU which has been discontinued. Even if it were socketed, I doubt a 486DX >would fit in its place - the SL has some functions built into it that are >missing on the DX/SX. > >The 750CE uses a 486DX2. As does the 755 series. But the 750CE is an >earlier incarnation of the 755 (and predates the DX4), so I'm not sure the >CPU is socketed. The 755 series *is* socketed. At least that's what I was >told when I asked IBM soon after it was introduced. > _____________________________________________________________________ >|\_____________________________________________________________________\ >| | | >| | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | >| | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | >| | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | > \|_____________________________________________________________________| > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Gary Udstrand _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ AT&T: (612) 945-6523 Advanced Technology _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Fax: (612) 945-6502 United HealthCare _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ EMail: gbu@uhc.com _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ "The truly great things happen when a genius is alone. This is true especially among golfers." -J. R. Coulson From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02539 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:30:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15287; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:37:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:37:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15276; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:37:04 -0500 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id VAA21205; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:37:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: Arie Litman Subject: Re: TrackPoint II To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Tim Vetter wrote: > >> >Hi, I was wondering what the difference was between the TrackPoint II > >> >and the TrackPoint III? > > > >> Um, as I understand, there are only two differences: 1. Improved no-slip > >> rubber "clit"; > > > > Umm...are you sure you meant to use that word?! ;) > > Well, it kinda fits, wouldn't you say? > > Then again, I suppose the Trackpoint *is* a lot easier to find :-) > > Still, I imagine that us ThinkPadders have among the best-trained index > fingers in the universe, and it's only a matter of time before the word gets > out ... Well,,,, I don't kno how well trained my index finger is, but it is defenetly the cleanest..... :) AND.. I had a chance to play with the new clit-III at Comdex, and I found that it responds much faster, it seems to stop faster too... also, they put a new type of rubber head on it, the y call it a "cat's tongue", it kinda rough. Also, they made the mose buttons look likethe TP700 again, BUT, now you can kinda push em down and forward, and they lock in the push position, the lady at the demo said it for "drag n drop"... as if I couldn't do it before.. .... Arie. From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03299 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:34:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15371; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:40:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:40:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15360; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:40:15 -0500 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13610; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:39:43 -0600 Received: from gudstra.uhc.com by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA146905; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:39:35 -0600 Message-Id: <9412090539.AA146905@lochness.uhc.com> X-Sender: gbu@lochness.uhc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 23:38:31 -0600 To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: gbu@uhc.com (Gary Udstrand) Subject: RE: Socketed 750 CPU's The 755 50Mhz is a DX2-50, not a DX-4. > >No. The 755 uses the DX-4. > >> earlier incarnation of the 755 (and predates the DX4), so I'm not sure the >> CPU is socketed. The 755 series *is* socketed. At least that's what I was >> told when I asked IBM soon after it was introduced. > >Sorry, misprint. I _had_ a 750C, but I replaced it with a 755C. The 755C >has either a DX4-50 or a DX4-75. I purchased the DX4-75 which were rare at >the time. I was originally approached by IBM to purchase the DX4-50 laptop, >and they would just replace the chip with a DX4-75. > >This implied to me that the chip is socketed, and that the motherboard >somehow autosenses which chip is socketed. One of the selling points of the >DX-50 laptop was that you could upgrade it someday to a DX4-75 by merely >dropping in a new chip. > > >| Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | >| robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | >| Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | >| Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | > >A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is >nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. > -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Gary Udstrand _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ AT&T: (612) 945-6523 Advanced Technology _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Fax: (612) 945-6502 United HealthCare _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ EMail: gbu@uhc.com _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ "The truly great things happen when a genius is alone. This is true especially among golfers." -J. R. Coulson From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08932 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:02:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16443; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:14:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:14:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16433; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:14:39 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA10320; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:14:37 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <4511.jokim@mit.edu> To: GODFREY@physics.carleton.ca, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: WARP Obligatory ThinkPad related info: Someone in comp.sys.laptops posted that Adaptec has SCSI PCMCIA drivers for OS/2, and they're just waiting for IBM to fix OS/2's PCMCIA support (something about the PCMCIA driver load order precluding a SCSI driver). In message Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:13:25 -0500 (EST), "STEVE GODFREY, 613 788-4386" writes: >From traffic in this group I got the impression that WARP is pretty good > so I took the plunge and got a copy. Before I install it are there > any warnings or advice... Go visit comp.os.os2.setup. There seems to be a consensus building that the Works portion of the bonus pack is deadly for performance. You may want to not install it, play with it for a few days, then install it and see if your performance drops. Also, you should have at *least* 8MB. 12MB is better, 20MB is grand. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:35:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09080 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:03:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16431; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:14:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:14:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16420; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:14:28 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA10317; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:14:26 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:14:58 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <4499.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Socketed 755 CPU's (was: Socketed 750 CPU's) In message Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:16:02 PST, george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) writes: > Sorry, misprint. I _had_ a 750C, but I replaced it with a 755C. The 755C Well, that certainly explains all this misunderstanding. > has either a DX4-50 or a DX4-75. I purchased the DX4-75 which were rare > at the time. I was originally approached by IBM to purchase the DX4-50 > laptop, and they would just replace the chip with a DX4-75. Speaking of which, what's the current street price for DX4/75's, and what's IBM's price for the upgrade? When the TP755 was first introduced, I was quoted something ridiculous like $1300. > This implied to me that the chip is socketed, and that the motherboard > somehow autosenses which chip is socketed. One of the selling points of Not to open another can of worms :-), but I don't think the motherboard has to autosense the chip. The DX2/50 and DX4/75 both run at a bus speed of 25MHz so they look identical to the motherboard. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 01:45:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13335 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:31:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18292; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:37:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:37:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18280; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:37:46 -0500 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA01992; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:37:14 -0600 Received: from gudstra.uhc.com by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA120947; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:37:12 -0600 Message-Id: <9412090637.AA120947@lochness.uhc.com> X-Sender: gbu@lochness.uhc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 00:36:02 -0600 To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: gbu@uhc.com (Gary Udstrand) Subject: Re: Socketed 755 CPU's (was: Socketed 750 CPU's) The price was ~900 bucks. Kind of spendy...... >Speaking of which, what's the current street price for DX4/75's, and what's >IBM's price for the upgrade? When the TP755 was first introduced, I was >quoted something ridiculous like $1300. > >> This implied to me that the chip is socketed, and that the motherboard >> somehow autosenses which chip is socketed. One of the selling points of > >Not to open another can of worms :-), but I don't think the motherboard has >to autosense the chip. The DX2/50 and DX4/75 both run at a bus speed of >25MHz so they look identical to the motherboard. > _____________________________________________________________________ >|\_____________________________________________________________________\ >| | | >| | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | >| | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | >| | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | > \|_____________________________________________________________________| > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Gary Udstrand _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ AT&T: (612) 945-6523 Advanced Technology _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Fax: (612) 945-6502 United HealthCare _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ EMail: gbu@uhc.com _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ "The truly great things happen when a genius is alone. This is true especially among golfers." -J. R. Coulson From ???@??? Fri Dec 09 03:06:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24869 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:57:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23422; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:07:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:07:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23412; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:07:44 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12628 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:07:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:07:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199412090807.AA12628@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Waverunner PCMCIA Modem >> IBM WaveRunner PCMCIA ISDN or Analog Modem > >Wow! I'm drooling, I'm drooling.. Now, if we could just get ISDN lines at a reasonable price! --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26054 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:09:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24946; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:26:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:26:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24901; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:26:42 -0500 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:26:29 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 9 Dec 94 09:26:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 09:26:27 +0100 Message-Id: <9412090826.AA00551@octave.chorus.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: your request > > On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > > > You may want to buy an IBM OEM drive. It's the same thing as the TP drive > > only without the plastic case. Costs about half what IBM charges. I'm > > sure someone has the info on Micro Machines or Sigma Data(?). > > And Donald A. Whiteside (dwhite@shadow.net) asked: > If someone could post this info, I'd appreciate it. I'm thinking about > buying one, but most of the drive resellers don't advertise 2.5 drives in > their Computer Shopper ads and I don't want to have to make 10 phone > calls to shop prices. Plus, I'll put it on the page for other to refer to. > Once again, I repost here the information given by Sean Chou (ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) : I've gotten a lot of questions about the Sigma Data hard drives, so I'm posting the information to the mailing list: Sigma Data is at least one of the OEM manufacturers of the hard drives shipping in the 355, 360, and 75x series. Therefore these drives have the exact same specifications as the original IBM drives. IBM fully supports these drives, including maintaining them under the terms of the ThinkPad warranty. Since they are the OEM manufacturer, the drives come in the same case, same connector, etc. The only difference is that there is a Sigma Data label on the case... Here are the part numbers: Capacity IBM Part Number Sigma Data Part Number 340M 66G2849 QED/TP750-340 540M 84G2150 QED/TP750-540 810M 84G8250 QED/TP750-810 Sigma Data 17 Newport Road New London, NH 03257-4567 (800) 446-4525 (603) 526-6909 Hope this helps. Best regards. -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28350 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:38:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27145; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:52:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:52:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27134; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:52:48 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12927 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:52:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:52:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199412090852.AA12927@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: RE: Socketed 750 CPU's >> The 750CE uses a 486DX2. As does the 755 series. But the 750CE is an > >No. The 755 uses the DX-4. > >Sorry, misprint. I _had_ a 750C, but I replaced it with a 755C. The 755C >has either a DX4-50 or a DX4-75. I purchased the DX4-75 which were rare at >the time. I was originally approached by IBM to purchase the DX4-50 laptop, >and they would just replace the chip with a DX4-75. Whoa, the TP755 can use a DX2/50 (not a DX4/5) or a DX4/75, right? Is there such a beast as a DX4/50? If so, why? >This implied to me that the chip is socketed, and that the motherboard >somehow autosenses which chip is socketed. One of the selling points of the >DX-50 laptop was that you could upgrade it someday to a DX4-75 by merely >dropping in a new chip. Can the same motherboard handle the DX4/100 (since it's a different frequency)? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28768 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:44:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26927; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:50:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:50:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26906; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:50:21 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12918 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:50:05 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:50:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199412090850.AA12918@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: X11R6 XF86Config: has anyone succeeded yet? >Ok... I know I can't be the only TP755 user out there who got tired of messyDos >and switched to Linux. I was running X11R5 quite happily until I recently tried >to upgrade to X11R6. The X11 config file was renamed from Xconfig to >XF86Config, but more importantly the contents and structure have changed.... Patience, patience. I thought that the current (okay, second to current -- it is, after all, finals time) incarnation of Linux had problems with X11R6 and doesn't officially support it yet. But yes, Linux is a recurring subject and I see I had better make a whole section in the FAQ dedicated to Linux hacking! ;) --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28979 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:47:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27841; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:01:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:01:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27830; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:01:20 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13000 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:01:04 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:01:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199412090901.AA13000@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Socketed 755 CPU's (was: Socketed 750 CPU's) >Not to open another can of worms :-), but I don't think the motherboard has >to autosense the chip. The DX2/50 and DX4/75 both run at a bus speed of >25MHz so they look identical to the motherboard. Well, now that we're all eating worms, what about the DX4/100's? Will they be able to drop them into the same motherboards? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29189 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:49:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27774; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:00:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:00:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27756; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:00:29 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12978 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:00:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:00:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199412090900.AA12978@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: CD-ROM & SCSI, OS/2, and so on >Obligatory ThinkPad related info: Someone in comp.sys.laptops posted that >Adaptec has SCSI PCMCIA drivers for OS/2, and they're just waiting for IBM >to fix OS/2's PCMCIA support (something about the PCMCIA driver load order >precluding a SCSI driver). I believe that has been the problem with OS/2's PCMCIA support all along. If it's the same problem I think it is, it may be a while yet before we see an elegant solution. In other news, I saw an interesting beast in the Tiger ad today -- an external CD-ROM called the Gator CD. It's supposed to plug into either a parllel port or SCSI port and works with DOS/Win, Macs, and OS/2 (they even said it was the only parallel port CD-ROM that had drivers rearing to go). Additionally, it adds a SCSI board, in essence, to your system. Apparently, it has an Adaptec SCSI board built in which allows you to daisy chain SCSI devices to it, even if you are using the parallel port. Interesting. >Go visit comp.os.os2.setup. There seems to be a consensus building that >the Works portion of the bonus pack is deadly for performance. You may I don't know what portion it was, but something kept killing my OS/2. I finally gave up on it until someone figures out what the heck is killing the system. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00842 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:04:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28994; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:13:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:13:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28984; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:13:44 -0500 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:13:31 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:13:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:13:29 +0100 Message-Id: <9412090913.AA05042@octave.chorus.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: X11R6 XF86Config: has anyone succeeded yet? Sean Chou (schou@uiuc.edu) wrote: > Patience, patience. I thought that the current (okay, second to current -- > it is, after all, finals time) incarnation of Linux had problems with > X11R6 and doesn't officially support it yet. What do you mean by this, I ran X11R6 on top of kernel 1.1.6? with no particular problem on my desktop. You must certainely grab an up-to-date distribution of XFree-3.1. I remember getting 'Segmentation Violations' with all clients using the first distribution. > But yes, Linux is a recurring subject and I see I had better make a > whole section in the FAQ dedicated to Linux hacking! ;) I think it's really worth ! I have personnaly ordered my Thinkpad this week (yes, it's Xmas time !!), and I plan to use it as my Linux platform. I think (and also hope), I am not this only one in this situation !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21519 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 06:19:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11287; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 06:36:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 06:36:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11277; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 06:36:56 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA20644; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:25:14 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id PAA10487; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:23:20 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412082323.PAA10487@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:23:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9412082200.AA14736@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> from "Robert Dewar" at Dec 8, 94 05:00:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > "Theoretically, you *should* be able to replace the cpu with a DX4-100 chip > > be careful, this means changing the fundamental external clock speed from > 25MHz to 33 MHz, which of course is aquite independent of socketed CPU's. > > However, the original announcement of the 750 said that it would be > available with 100 MHz chips, so this may be possible. WAITAMINNUT! I keep getting told that the 750's (Not the 755's or anything--speaking only of the 750's here) are *not* upgradable in their processing speed whatsoever. When did this suddenly change, or was I misled in the first place? ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05002 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:40:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17833; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:32:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:32:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17823; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:32:50 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA12311; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:32:45 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:33:19 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <30800.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TrackPoint II In message Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:37:06 -0800 (PST), Arie Litman writes: > AND.. I had a chance to play with the new clit-III at Comdex, and I found > that it responds much faster, it seems to stop faster too... also, they > put a new type of rubber head on it, the y call it a "cat's tongue", it > kinda rough. If it's just a new rubber head I presume we can use it on our current Thinkpads? I don't think they'd be stupid enough to make the mount a different shape/size, but with IBM you never know. That reminds me. Does Warp let you increase the mouse tracking beyond the maximum for OS/2 2.1? I still can't get over how slow it is... _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09024 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:58:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19237; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:54:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:54:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19224; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:54:19 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA20100; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:54:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:54:49 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9412091354.AA20100@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TrackPoint II not only is the maximum tracking barely acceptable for the trackpoint, but VERY ANNOYINGLY, it is way off calibration with a mouse, so if you use a TPII and mouse together, the mouse is FAR too sensitive. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:50 1994 Received: from ns.incog.com by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13307 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:17:23 -0600 Received: from ale.incog.com by ns.incog.com (8.6.9/94082501) id HAA04404; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:17:10 -0800 Received: by ale.incog.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02826; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:17:34 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 07:17:34 -0800 From: geoffb@ale.incog.com (Geoffrey Baehr) Message-Id: <9412091517.AA02826@ale.incog.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Waverunner / ISDN - California X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Hi - ISDN is flate rate here in California (after 5pm and Weekends). $23.95 During the day it's priced at standard message unit rates for voice. Pacific Bell is rumored to announce IP/ISDN over sync PPP in Jan. Price is TBD. You can check out the offerings at http://www.pacbell.com Don't forget that the other end, ie the service provider, is the killer here. Most IP/Internet providers want ~$150/mo, luckily there are a few lower cost ones around. Gentle flame: Too bad the Wave Runner is just an ISDN Terminal Adapter (T/A) though, the thought of all that nice synchronous bandwidth accessible only as an async terminal connection is a drag.The thought of doing Hayes AT-DT async modem command sets over a digital link, sigh... Where are the NDIS3 PPP drivers so that one can use the thing as an IP or IPX forwarder, over Sync PPP, which most others (Ascend/Combinet/Digiboard etc) support ? Are they shipping, today ? Using ISDN *only* for T/A's is silly, it hides all the nice things about ISDN and turns it into a slightly faster analog phone line equivalent for Procomm. I want my machine to be *ON* the remote network, exchanging network layer traffic, not dialed in to some weird ISDN modem gateway doober somewhere. Gentle Flame off. I've tried an Ascend Pipeline-50, it's a router and MAC bridge (brouter) in one. Discounted price with internal NT-1 $ 1000. One box services an entire local net. Works great for remote offices, telecommuters etc. Can bond both B channels for 112 Kb service, as Pac Bell only offers 56Kb/B channel intra-LATA. With an external NT-1 and the Ascend, one can have an ISDN phone on one B Channel too. I don't work for Ascend. Credit where credit is due though, IBM did do a nice job in cramming the DSP for an analog modem and the ISDN stuff on to one. now if they put Ascend type functionality in that PCMCIA card... Wow. geoff From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:52 1994 Received: from shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18189 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:36:21 -0600 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id KAA03836; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:39:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: CD-ROM & SCSI, OS/2, and so on In-Reply-To: <199412090900.AA12978@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > In other news, I saw an interesting beast in the Tiger ad today -- > an external CD-ROM called the Gator CD. It's supposed to plug into > either a parllel port or SCSI port and works with DOS/Win, Macs, and > OS/2 (they even said it was the only parallel port CD-ROM that had > drivers rearing to go). Additionally, it adds a SCSI board, in essence, > to your system. Apparently, it has an Adaptec SCSI board built in > which allows you to daisy chain SCSI devices to it, even if you > are using the parallel port. Interesting. That was not my understanding. I thought the Gator was a CDROM that would work with either parallel or SCSI, so you could "step up" to SCSI later. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:53 1994 Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25126 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:59:39 -0600 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA21431; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:57:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:57:43 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9412091557.AA21431@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: geoffb@ale.incog.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Waverunner / ISDN - California be careful in some places you do indeed pay "standard message rate" for ISDN, but you pay business rates, not residential rates, and that can make a HUGE difference. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04588 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:24:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27245; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:24:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:24:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27232; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:24:39 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id KAA03075; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:27:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Thinkpad List Subject: TrackPoint III improvements In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Arie Litman wrote: > > AND.. I had a chance to play with the new clit-III at Comdex, and I found > that it responds much faster, it seems to stop faster too... You think that the old one was not good enough in response time? I found it just perfect, although I change the acceleration in windows sometimes, if I'm zipping around a lot. > also, they > put a new type of rubber head on it, the y call it a "cat's tongue", it > kinda rough. Good - mine gets a little greasy after 20-40 minutes of use. I wonder if I can order replacements with this new texture..... > Also, they made the mose buttons look likethe TP700 again, THANK GOD! I love my 750, but I think I'll die with little cyndrical ridges in my thumb from those STUPID mouse buttons. The buttons on my bosses' 720 are much nicer. > BUT, now you can kinda push em down and forward, and they lock in the > push position, the lady at the demo said it for "drag n drop"... as if I > couldn't do it before.. Hmm.... my gut reaction is that I'd be doing that accidentally a lot, but I might get used to it. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:13:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06084 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:28:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26701; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:18:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:18:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26691; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:17:57 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA04342; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:17:16 MST Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:17:16 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412091517.AA04342@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TrackPoint II > That reminds me. Does Warp let you increase the mouse tracking beyond the > maximum for OS/2 2.1? I still can't get over how slow it is... Nope, still painfully slow... Does anyone know if the shareware replacement mouse driver called RODENT.SYS allows for faster tracking speeds? Also, has anyone noticed that Warp's so-called "Comet cursor" is rather schizophrenic? It seems to work OK upon initial system start, but during the normal course of things it just quits working. I haven't been able to pin it down to any particular sequence of events, as it's not always immediately apparent when it stops working. Maybe "Meteor cursor" would be more appropriate, as I believe the lifespan of your typical comet is something in excess of 5 or 10 minutes ;) _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Compuserve: 73741,453 Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10792 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:40:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27876; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:35:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:35:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27833; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:34:58 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id KAA03617; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:37:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: eranian@chorus.fr Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: your request In-Reply-To: <9412090826.AA00551@octave.chorus.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Dec 1994 eranian@chorus.fr wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > > > You may want to buy an IBM OEM drive. It's the same thing as the TP drive > And Donald A. Whiteside (dwhite@shadow.net) asked: > > If someone could post this info, I'd appreciate it. I'm thinking about > > buying one, but most of the drive resellers don't advertise 2.5 drives in > > their Computer Shopper ads and I don't want to have to make 10 phone > > calls to shop prices. Plus, I'll put it on the page for other to refer to. > [quoting] > I've gotten a lot of questions about the Sigma Data hard drives, so I'm > posting the information to the mailing list: >... > Since they are the OEM manufacturer, the drives come in the same case, > same connector, etc. The only difference is that there is a Sigma Data > label on the case... Appreciate it, I'll make sure I put the info on the Thinkpad Page. However, I was talking about JUST the 2.5 drive, w/o the goofball connector and case. Even straight from Sigma, those cases add ~$300 to the price of the thing. I'd rather just open the case and swap out the 170M I have now - It's not really of any use to me once I have a bigger case anyways, except for maybe installing Unix..... So any OEM 2.5 drive >400M and with a thickness of 17mm is what I'm looking for. Anyone who knows a source please post it. I'm sorry for not making myself clear. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05998 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:47:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08175; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:36:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:36:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08163; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:36:02 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29738; Fri, 9 Dec 94 09:36:44 PST Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 09:36:44 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412091736.AA29738@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Randal Whittle ' dated: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:23:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: gbu@uhc.com, dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu, dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu > > "Theoretically, you *should* be able to replace the cpu with a DX4-100 chip > > > > be careful, this means changing the fundamental external clock speed from > > 25MHz to 33 MHz, which of course is aquite independent of socketed CPU's. > > > > However, the original announcement of the 750 said that it would be > > available with 100 MHz chips, so this may be possible. > > WAITAMINNUT! I keep getting told that the 750's (Not the 755's or > anything--speaking only of the 750's here) are *not* upgradable in their > processing speed whatsoever. > > When did this suddenly change, or was I misled in the first place? Sorry, I inadvertently added to this confusion by talking about the 750's having socketed CPU's. The 755's have socketed CPU's and come in two incarnations: a 50Mhz version and a 75Mhz version. The 50's are actively advertised as upgradable to 75's. I was told by IBM that they were using a bizarre version of the DX4 which came in a 50Mhz version, but this is probably wrong since a clock tripler would require a 16.667 Mhz system bus to generate 50Mhz. On the other hand, Gary Udstrand seems to think that the 50Mhz version uses a DX2 -- which would explain the ability to upgrade: you still have a 25Mhz system bus. The only problem with this theory is that the DX2 is a 5 volt chip, the DX4's are 3.3 volt chips... To add more confusion to the subject, someone (sorry, I lost the e-mail) mentioned that the chip itself is not socketed, but there is a daughterboard that is socketed. Now this would explain a DX4-50, since a daughterboard would imply that you have a seprate oscillator as well. Does anyone have the technical specs on their 755x-50???? BTW, John Kim correctly noted that the 750's have an IBM proprietary chip called the 486SLC running at 33Mhz. This chip contains a math co-processor and should _not_ be confused with the Intel 486SL chip which does _not_ have a math coprocessor. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08796 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:52:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08710; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:49:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:49:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08694; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:49:21 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po6.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA08890 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:47:56 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from gaylord.ce.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from gaylord.ce.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.70.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.gaylord.ce.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.gaylord.ce.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:43:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <0iu9RAe00iQa4Qvg1Z@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:43:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Curtis P. Yeske" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 4 MB Memory Cards for TP720/750 Cc: "Curtis P. Yeske" , "Daniel R. Rehak" I need to dump a bunch of new in-box 4MB Ram Cards for the ThinkPads. 1. How much would I be able to get for them? 2. Any pointers as to who would be interested? Thanks much, Curt Yeske CEE-CMU cy13@andrew.cmu.edu From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20511 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:19:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10768; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:19:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:19:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10758; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:19:42 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA02457; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:19:35 PST Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1) id AA11310; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:20:27 PST Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14004; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:19:22 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06605; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:21:38 +0800 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:21:38 +0800 From: cmcmanis@scndprsn.eng.sun.com (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9412091821.AA06605@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP-3 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Another 'feature' of the Trackpoint III is that it is not as tall. Some insiders at IBM have told me that not a few screens have been replaced because a dropped or squished TP-75x pushed the trackpoint into the screen and broke it. Analysis showed that had the nub been lower that wouldn't have happened. --Chuck From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27124 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:33:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12554; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:37:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:37:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12544; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:37:34 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxtok23098; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:37:26 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13524; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:30:38 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01423; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:38:58 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20238; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:35:47 PST Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:35:47 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9412091835.AA20238@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's > > BTW, John Kim correctly noted that the 750's have an IBM proprietary chip > called the 486SLC running at 33Mhz. This chip contains a math co-processor > and should _not_ be confused with the Intel 486SL chip which does _not_ have > a math coprocessor. I think you have that backwards. The IBM 486SLC is a knock-off that has a bigger cache and NO FPU. I think IBM's agreement with Intel prevented them from producing their own DX chips and this was the compromise.The Intel 486SL is really a DX with added power management and thus does have an FPU. The 750's have a 486SL, not a 486SLC. That I'm sure of. --Bruce From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04510 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:50:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13035; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:43:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:43:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13025; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:43:45 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxtok24286; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:43:37 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13556; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:36:49 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01487; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:45:09 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20258; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:41:58 PST Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:41:58 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9412091841.AA20258@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: WARP > Obligatory ThinkPad related info: Someone in comp.sys.laptops posted that > Adaptec has SCSI PCMCIA drivers for OS/2, and they're just waiting for IBM > to fix OS/2's PCMCIA support (something about the PCMCIA driver load order > precluding a SCSI driver). Hmmm, there was an Adaptec posting in comp.os.os2.beta a few weeks ago looking for beta testers for a Warp PCMCIA SCSI driver to support their SLIM-SCSI card. I own one of these and immediately responded. Never heard anything back from them. --Bruce From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06687 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:54:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13921; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:57:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:57:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13909; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:57:32 -0500 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18574; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:52:04 -0600 Received: from sturgeon.uhc.com by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA141790; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:51:52 -0600 Message-Id: <9412091851.AA141790@lochness.uhc.com> X-Sender: gbu@lochness.uhc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 12:50:52 -0600 To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: gbu@uhc.com (Gary Udstrand) Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's Cc: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu, dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu >Sorry, I inadvertently added to this confusion by talking about the 750's >having socketed CPU's. The 755's have socketed CPU's and come in two >incarnations: a 50Mhz version and a 75Mhz version. The 50's are actively >advertised as upgradable to 75's. > >I was told by IBM that they were using a bizarre version of the DX4 which >came in a 50Mhz version, but this is probably wrong since a clock tripler >would require a 16.667 Mhz system bus to generate 50Mhz. On the other hand, >Gary Udstrand seems to think that the 50Mhz version uses a DX2 -- which >would explain the ability to upgrade: you still have a 25Mhz system bus. >The only problem with this theory is that the DX2 is a 5 volt chip, the >DX4's are 3.3 volt chips... The 755C 50 Mhz is indeed a DX2 chip (just checked my specs to make sure), the 75Mhz is a DX4. > >To add more confusion to the subject, someone (sorry, I lost the e-mail) >mentioned that the chip itself is not socketed, but there is a daughterboard >that is socketed. Now this would explain a DX4-50, since a daughterboard >would imply that you have a seprate oscillator as well. That would be me, the 755 does have a daughterboard for the CPU. I have the upgrade to make my 50Mhz a 75Mhz still in the box (plan to upgrade it soon :-)) and it is a daughterboard. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Gary Udstrand _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ AT&T: (612) 945-6523 Advanced Technology _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Fax: (612) 945-6502 United HealthCare _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ EMail: gbu@uhc.com _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ "The truly great things happen when a genius is alone. This is true especially among golfers." -J. R. Coulson From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10774 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:04:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14892; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:04:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:04:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14882; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:04:19 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA05605; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:04:10 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id LAA28387; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:04:07 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412091904.LAA28387@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: TrackPoint II To: litman@netcom.com (Arie Litman) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:04:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Arie Litman" at Dec 8, 94 09:37:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > AND.. I had a chance to play with the new clit-III at Comdex, and I found > that it responds much faster, it seems to stop faster too... also, they > put a new type of rubber head on it, the y call it a "cat's tongue", it > kinda rough. Also, they made the mose buttons look likethe TP700 again, > BUT, now you can kinda push em down and forward, and they lock in the > push position, the lady at the demo said it for "drag n drop"... as if I > couldn't do it before.. Is the rubber "cat's tongue" cap backward-compatible with my Trackpoint II on my 750C? Can I buy rubber "cat's tongue" caps and use them myself? ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16607 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:17:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16883; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:19:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:19:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16855; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:19:08 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA07146; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:19:01 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id LAA00768; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:18:49 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412091918.LAA00768@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:18:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9412091736.AA29738@cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Dec 9, 94 09:36:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > BTW, John Kim correctly noted that the 750's have an IBM proprietary chip > called the 486SLC running at 33Mhz. This chip contains a math co-processor > and should _not_ be confused with the Intel 486SL chip which does _not_ have > a math coprocessor. Sorry Robert, but either you or John are confused on this one. The TP 750's use the Intel 486SL chip which *does* have a math-co and operates at low power. The other IBM chip, the 486SLC has *no* math-co, but also happens to have a 16K on-chip cache. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17475 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:19:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16229; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:15:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:15:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns004.ford.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16210; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:15:07 -0500 Received: from sun1.apo.ford.com (sun1.apo.ford.com [19.55.14.24]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA18425 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:15:02 -0500 Received: from ren0010.so.ford.com ([19.90.82.53]) by sun1.apo.ford.com (5.0/Ford 2.0) via id AA05131; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:10:11 +0500 Received: from REN0010/PMAIL by ren0010.so.ford.com (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:14:33 +1100 Received: from PMAIL by REN0010 (Mercury 1.11); Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:14:26 +1100 From: "Adam Wilkinson" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:14:24 EST Subject: Re: TrackPoint II Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-Id: <1ED5D04A4F@ren0010.so.ford.com> > Is the rubber "cat's tongue" cap backward-compatible with my > Trackpoint II on my 750C? Can I buy rubber "cat's tongue" caps and > use them myself? Yes, the new cap is backwards compatible. I just received a 755CE eval form IBM and stuck the cap on my 750Cs. IBM even seems to ship the units with a couple of the old "smooth" caps. -- Adam Lee Wilkinson Portable Computing Technology Specialist Ford Motor Co. - Marketing & Sales Systems awilkin1@ren0010.so.ford.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03723 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:54:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18976; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:47:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:47:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub-gate.UB.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18966; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:47:21 -0500 Received: from garfield (garfield.UB.com) by ub-gate.UB.com (4.1/SMI-4.1[UB-1.9]) id AA16998; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:46:45 PST Received: from smtp.UB.com ([128.203.7.39]) by garfield (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06310; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:46:38 PST Received: by smtp.UB.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.0)/1.2) id AA9165; Fri, 09 Dec 94 11:47:52 -0800 Message-Id: <9412091947.AA9165@smtp.UB.com> Received: from UB with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id F28FC4E3F2693D5D852561200070D0C6; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:47:52 To: tp750 From: Ken Yee/UB Networks Date: 9 Dec 94 15:53:36 EDT Subject: NT 3.5 and Solaris 2.4 on Thinkpad? X-Lotus-Type: Response Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain After monitoring the list for a while, I haven't noticed anyone mention these two operating systems. Does anyone know if they work at all on the TP755? ken p.s., anyone have any rumors on what's coming up for the Thinkpads at Spring Comdex? I've heard that there is going to be a Pentium version (hopefully w/o math bug ;-) and there were rumors of a Thinkpad w/ folding keyboard codenamed Project Butterfly... From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19650 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:43:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00394; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:41:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:41:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00364; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:41:15 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id QAA19177; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:43:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:43:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: "Curtis P. Yeske" Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, "Curtis P. Yeske" , "Daniel R. Rehak" Subject: Re: 4 MB Memory Cards for TP720/750 In-Reply-To: <0iu9RAe00iQa4Qvg1Z@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Curtis P. Yeske wrote: > I need to dump a bunch of new in-box 4MB Ram Cards for the ThinkPads. > > 1. How much would I be able to get for them? > 2. Any pointers as to who would be interested? Current new price from places that give lifetime guar. is ~$170. _I_ personally wouldn't shell more than $120 w/o the promise of lifetime exchanges.... I dunno where you can sell them, less some people her want them. With 4M standard, another 4M for the pad is just (IMHO) not sufficient, since you can only have one card in place. Now, if you have aome 16Ms at decent prices.... I might like one. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26496 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:00:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02531; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:56:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:56:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02517; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:55:57 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA19663 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:55:54 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id NAA24862 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:55:50 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412092155.NAA24862@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded message: >From whittle@scf.usc.edu Fri Dec 9 13:55:18 1994 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412092155.NAA24744@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:55:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199412091918.LAA00768@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Dec 9, 94 11:18:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1081 > > BTW, John Kim correctly noted that the 750's have an IBM proprietary chip > > called the 486SLC running at 33Mhz. This chip contains a math co-processor > > and should _not_ be confused with the Intel 486SL chip which does _not_ ha > > a math coprocessor. > > Sorry Robert, but either you or John are confused on this one. > > The TP 750's use the Intel 486SL chip which *does* have a math-co > and operates at low power. > > The other IBM chip, the 486SLC has *no* math-co, but also happens > to have a 16K on-chip cache. Just as a follow-up, I think one or both of the models 500 and 720 used the IBM SLC chip. Anyone? ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08139 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:35:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05847; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:37:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:37:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05836; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:37:14 -0500 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA16845; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:36:54 +0100 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id XAA12724 (8.6.9/); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:36:53 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:36:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199412092236.XAA12724@asimov.cnam.fr> To: gbu@uhc.com, jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 755 CPU's (was: Socketed 750 CPU's) exactly what is the IBM policy of upgrades on the 755 series? can 750s be made into 755s? will 755xs be conevrtible into Pentiums? Edmund. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12150 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:52:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07404; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:58:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:58:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07394; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:58:21 -0500 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA17555; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:57:23 +0100 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id XAA13006 (8.6.9/); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:57:22 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:57:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199412092257.XAA13006@asimov.cnam.fr> To: gbu@uhc.com, george@cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's Cc: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Re: the big 750/755 is it socketed - is it upgradeable discussion, I suggest we have a resident engineer who can provide authoritative answers either by getting docs or calling a friend at IBM- this would be nicer than 10 not-so-useful email messages, and the expert would earn our respect, viz admiration, thanks, and email love :) Any volunteeers ? E. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18960 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:22:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09709; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:29:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:29:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09699; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:29:44 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA23559; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:29:37 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:30:06 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <66607.jokim@mit.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's In message Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:55:49 -0800 (PST), Randal Whittle writes: >> The TP 750's use the Intel 486SL chip which *does* have a math-co >> and operates at low power. >> >> The other IBM chip, the 486SLC has *no* math-co, but also happens >> to have a 16K on-chip cache. > > Just as a follow-up, I think one or both of the models 500 and 720 > used the IBM SLC chip. Anyone? Let's see if I can kill all these birds with one post. IBM 486SLC: used in the TP500, 700, and 720. Comes in "normal" and clock-doubled versions. The 500 and 720 use the clock doubled versions. 24-bit memory bus (16MB max), 16-bit data bus, 32-bit internal, no FPU, 16k cache. IBM 486BL: aka "Blue Lightning." Used in the TP510 and maybe the TP425. Comes in "normal" and clock-doubled/tripled versions. 32-bit memory bus (4GB max), 32-bit data bus, 32-bit internal, no FPU, 16k cache. Before you ask, the TP425 is like a TP350, only it's sold at schools. Intel 486SL: discontinued, used in the TP750, only came in 25MHz and 33MHz flavors. 32-bit memory bus, 32-bit data bus, 32-bit internal, with FPU (except a version used in the TP350), 8k cache, on-board power management and motherboard features. Intel 486DX, DX2: The standard, used in TP755 and TP360 (? SX version). 32-bit memory bus, 32-bit data bus, 32-bit internal, with FPU, 8k cache. Intel 486DX4: Clock tripled, 32-bit memory bus, 32-bit data bus, 32-bit internal, with FPU, _16k_ cache. Costs more than a TP500. :-) TP755 only. > ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu > | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC > | doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but > | since they took the | right, they should > | Dolphin out! | > -------------------------------- You should try Dolphin sometime. Real good tasting. (The fish of course, Mahi Mahi :-) _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19967 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:26:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09687; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:29:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:29:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09673; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:29:26 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA23550; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:29:22 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:29:56 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <66597.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 755 CPU's (was: Socketed 750 CPU's) In message Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:36:53 +0100, eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) writes: > exactly what is the IBM policy of upgrades on the 755 series? None that I know of. Even if they do have such a policy, it's probably ridiculous, like the "upgrade" from 750 mono to 750C for "only" $3000. > can 750s be made into 755s? I asked TP75x development about this when the 755 first came out. No. > will 755xs be conevrtible into Pentiums? Good question. I don't think so, but if the talk about a daughterboard is right... Still, do you REALLY want to cripple a Pentium with a 32bit memory bus and a 16bit PCMCIA bus? _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22316 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:36:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09998; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:34:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:34:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09986; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:34:08 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Sat, 10 Dec 94 00:33 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rGEon-0003fBC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 00:33 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:31:46 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: Can Windows NT run on a TP755C ? X-Mailer: >If anyone has successfully installed NT (any version) on their ThinkPad >755c???? Apparently Microsoft has, as the 75x machines are on the official Hardware Compatibility List (at least for 3.5), which only includes gear that MS testers have actually tried out. Caveats: 1. No built-in PCMCIA support. And as far as I know, none of the card manufacturers is shipping NT add-in drivers yet, either. 2. Best available video resolution is 640x480x16, on both the LCD screen and external monitors. 3. Possible problems addressing Extended IDE hardrive space > 520 Megs. I'm not certain whether this applies to the large TP drives, but it is known that not all EIDE drives are 100% compatible with NT. As for what you can do to get 3.1 to install, my best advice is to run out and buy the upgrade. 3.5 has a much improved auto-installer, and runs a good deal faster in half as much RAM. A real solid product, I have it on my desktop machine now, too bad the above deficiencies make it a non-contender (for my needs anyway) as a notebook OS. Any further word from Windows 95 beta testers (I know there's at least one of you) on how it fares on a ThinkPad? Best, Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (On topic and behaving himself, while trying desperately to stifle a giggling fit) From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24262 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:45:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10923; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:54:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:54:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10911; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:54:46 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16825; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:55:25 PST Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:55:25 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412092355.AA16825@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Socketed 755 CPU's In-Reply-To: Mail from 'eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald)' dated: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:36:53 +0100 > will 755xs be conevrtible into Pentiums? Probably not. The Pentium has a wider address space, even though it breaks all address and data accesses into 32-bit chunks internally. The Pentium also requires 30W (somewhat less for the 3.3V 90Mhz versions). This is, of course, not a good think for battery powered laptops with convection cooling. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:14:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24547 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:47:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11077; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:56:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:56:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11067; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:56:22 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17528; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:57:06 PST Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:57:06 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412092357.AA17528@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's In-Reply-To: Mail from 'eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald)' dated: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:57:22 +0100 > Re: the big 750/755 is it socketed - is it upgradeable discussion, > I suggest we have a resident engineer who can provide authoritative > answers either by getting docs or calling a friend at IBM- I'm not sure that it would help, considering it is IBM that sent me a technical specifications sheet for the 486SLC which says that it has a math coprocessor. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:15:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28967 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:07:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11320; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:05:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:05:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11300; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:05:06 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19709; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:05:35 PST Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:05:35 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412100005.AA19709@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Socketed 750 CPU's > The 755C 50 Mhz is indeed a DX2 chip (just checked my specs to make > sure), the 75Mhz is a DX4. > > That would be me, the 755 does have a daughterboard for the CPU. I have > the upgrade to make my 50Mhz a 75Mhz still in the box (plan to upgrade it > soon :-)) and it is a daughterboard. Gary, Could you look on the daughtercard and see if there is a voltage regulator? As I mentioned earlier, the DX2 is a 5 volt chip, the DX4 is a 3.3 volt chip. The only thing that would explain this mess is if they supply 5 volts to the daughtercard, and put a voltage regulator on the DX4 daughtercard. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:15:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00739 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:15:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11666; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:14:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:14:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11656; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:14:20 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22068; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:15:04 PST Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:15:04 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412100015.AA22068@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Socketed 750 CPU's >Still, do you REALLY want to cripple a Pentium with a 32bit memory >bus and a 16bit PCMCIA bus? The Pentium has the same 32-bit address and data bus internal to the chip as the 486 series. The wider addressing modes are synthesized by a decoder unit which breaks memory transactions into 32-bit units. The agressive write-through cache subsystem in the Pentium is severely hampered on systems such as laptops which don't have L2 caches (SRAM sucks almost as much power as a Pentium chip). | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:15:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02201 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:21:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12261; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:29:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:29:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from werple.apana.org.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12251; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:29:16 -0500 Received: (from guardian@localhost) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA19204; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:28:59 +1100 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:21:02 +1100 (EST) From: Nick Allan Subject: need more memory To: thinkpad mailinglist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all I'm going to need more than 4mb of ram for a piece of software I will have to use next year, I currently have 4mb, no pcmcia slots available, Can someone give me some suggestions on how I would be able to upgrade the current 4mb to either 8 or 12mb depending on the costs involved. Thanks in advance for any help. Regards Nick Guardian@werple.mira.net.au From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 02:15:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07918 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:49:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13275; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:50:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:50:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13264; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:50:51 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA24884; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:50:49 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:51:13 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <71474.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's In message Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:57:22 +0100, eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) writes: > Re: the big 750/755 is it socketed - is it upgradeable discussion, > I suggest we have a resident engineer who can provide authoritative > answers either by getting docs or calling a friend at IBM- Like I said, I asked someone at TP75x development at IBM Japan (where the TP7xx series was designed) when the 755 first came out. Here's the post I made then. If you guys REALLY want to know whether the 755 is socketed or comes with a daughterboard (I would think the eyewitness account of one of our members saying it's a daughterboard would be enough), I can ask Ken. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surprise surprise. Not only can we go up to 36 MB, we can do it without voiding our warranty, and we can do it NOW. :) I haven't been keeping track, but I think the TP755 was just announced (which is why Ken could answer some of our questions on it). I like the hard drive options. :) But I'm sure it'll cost an arm and a leg. :( ------------------------------ From: Ken Inoue Wed, 18 May 94 13:59:02 JST To: "John Kim" Subject: More questions about the TP750 John: My apologies for the delay in getting back to you. As you mentioned, some of your questions just couldn't be answered until today :) and the week before last was a national holiday week (Golden Week) in Japan. Re harddisk power requirement: I am afraid there is no clear-cut answer to this. It all would depend on what the rest of the system might be doing when the harddisk draws peak power... There are multiple fuses in the power subsystem for safety's sake, some of which apply to individual voltage levels such as 3.3V and 5V. The harddisk uses 5V, whereas the panel is directly driven by battery, so I am afraid it won't matter whether you have a mono or a color. Re the plastic housing: I was told that we don't offer it as a separate option precisely because we can't be responsible for any subsequent damage. Sorry. Re the 540MB and 810MB harddisk option: I understand the 750 line will require a Flash BIOS update to support these sizes properly but yes, they do work with the 750 line. You may want to note however that some disk drivers that directly manipulate hardware (like Microsoft Windows for Workgroups' 32 bit FASTDISK driver) may not run on them or see only the first 528MB. Re motherboard upgrade for the 750 line: I am afraid I am not aware of any announcements regarding upgrade to the 755 line or equivalent. I understand it will cost quite a lot because all the boards will have to be swapped (not to mention mechanical changes like improved heat sink). I sure wish Intel offered a clock-doubled 486SL... Re the 20MB memory 'limit': it's just that at the time the 750 was announced, no manufacturers were making 32MB IC DRAM cards. Actually the 750 is designed to take up to 36MB (32MB card + 4MB planar); right now there is a ThinkPad Proven vendor called Apricorn who offers one that works with the 750. You may want to call IBM Direct for details. I hope this answers your questions... Best regards, Ken Inoue _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15961 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:00:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08029; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:19:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:19:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08019; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:19:04 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu (ruger-95.slip.uiuc.edu) by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21228 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:18:50 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:18:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199412100818.AA21228@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: X11R6 XF86Config: has anyone succeeded yet? >What do you mean by this, I ran X11R6 on top of kernel 1.1.6? with >no particular problem on my desktop. You must certainely grab an Then I stand corrected. X11R6 does indeed work with newer versions of Linux. >week (yes, it's Xmas time !!), and I plan to use it as my Linux platform. >I think (and also hope), I am not this only one in this situation !!! You are most certainly not by yourself. I have hundreds of messages to prove it too! :) --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16103 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:03:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08642; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:26:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:26:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08632; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:26:03 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu (ruger-95.slip.uiuc.edu) by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21263 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:25:51 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:25:51 -0600 Message-Id: <199412100825.AA21263@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: CD-ROM & SCSI, OS/2, and so on >That was not my understanding. I thought the Gator was a CDROM that would >work with either parallel or SCSI, so you could "step up" to SCSI later. Perhaps, definately worth checking out.... Okay, here's my catalog. "Built-in SCSI Adapter Offers Unlimited Options" ..."a CD-drive smartly combined with a high-quality Adaptec SCSI adapter. Plug the Gator CD into any printer port and you have an instant CD drive -- PLUS a complete SCSI bus you can daisy-chain other SCSI devices to!" Sounds like it adds SCSI to your system... --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16835 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:16:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09849; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:39:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:39:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09827; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:39:42 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu (ruger-95.slip.uiuc.edu) by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21317 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:39:28 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:39:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199412100839.AA21317@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: NT 3.5 and Solaris 2.4 on Thinkpad? >After monitoring the list for a while, I haven't noticed anyone >mention these two operating systems. Does anyone know >if they work at all on the TP755? NT 3.5 seems to work with 16 colors. I haven't heard anything on Solaris in a while. >p.s., anyone have any rumors on what's coming up for the >Thinkpads at Spring Comdex? I've heard that there is >going to be a Pentium version (hopefully w/o math bug ;-) >and there were rumors of a Thinkpad w/ folding >keyboard codenamed Project Butterfly... The TP will be using the 75Mhz Pentium which I think is probably too new to be affected by the math bug. What use would a folding keyboard be? Give me a folding screen! Or a folding notebook! Why a folding keyboard? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17070 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:22:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10123; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:41:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:41:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10113; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:41:39 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu (ruger-95.slip.uiuc.edu) by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21335 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:41:26 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:41:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199412100841.AA21335@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's > Just as a follow-up, I think one or both of the models 500 and 720 >used the IBM SLC chip. Anyone? I know the TP500 uses the SLC2/50 chip. Not a bad performer when you put in 12mb RAM. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17073 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:22:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10200; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:43:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:43:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10190; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:43:13 -0500 Received: from ruger-57.slip.uiuc.edu (ruger-95.slip.uiuc.edu) by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21339 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:42:59 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:42:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199412100842.AA21339@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Socketed 755 CPU's (was: Socketed 750 CPU's) >can 750s be made into 755s? No. >will 755xs be conevrtible into Pentiums? Unlikely since the motherboards are entirely different. I, for one, wouldn't want a Pentium riding on a 486 motherboard (and feel bad for people who paid more for a 486 desktop with the promise of Pentium upgradeability). --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15181 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:16:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02160; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:30:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:30:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02150; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:30:47 -0500 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id GAA15995; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 06:30:49 -0800 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199412101430.GAA15995@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: can someone who has a tp kernel _ scsi support send it? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 06:30:49 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks.. i need a kernel for linux which has sscsi compiled in... i tried recompiling .0.9 but it hangs at the # prompt after i try to run setup... From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:49 1994 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27905 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 10:52:31 -0600 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA03044; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:52:32 +0100 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id RAA06059 (8.6.9/); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:52:36 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:52:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199412101652.RAA06059@asimov.cnam.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's the TP 700 used a 25 Mhz IBM SLC, and the 720C had a clock-doubled 50 Mhz SLC. -- eronald@cnam.fr From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:50 1994 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28276 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 10:54:08 -0600 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA03078; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:54:07 +0100 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id RAA06070 (8.6.9/); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:54:11 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:54:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199412101654.RAA06070@asimov.cnam.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Socketed 755 CPU's (was: Socketed 750 CPU's) I would really like a SWAPPABLE MOTHERBOARD - keep the display, keybd etc , swop all the rest every 6 months, and ot have a heavy hit in the pocketbook every 18 months ... Edmund. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05808 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:37:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10377; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:54:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:54:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10366; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:54:26 -0500 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA03078; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:54:07 +0100 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id RAA06070 (8.6.9/); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:54:11 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:54:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199412101654.RAA06070@asimov.cnam.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Socketed 755 CPU's (was: Socketed 750 CPU's) I would really like a SWAPPABLE MOTHERBOARD - keep the display, keybd etc , swop all the rest every 6 months, and ot have a heavy hit in the pocketbook every 18 months ... Edmund. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05994 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:38:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10342; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:52:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:52:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10331; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:52:50 -0500 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA03044; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:52:32 +0100 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id RAA06059 (8.6.9/); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:52:36 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:52:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199412101652.RAA06059@asimov.cnam.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Socketed 750 CPU's the TP 700 used a 25 Mhz IBM SLC, and the 720C had a clock-doubled 50 Mhz SLC. -- eronald@cnam.fr From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:53 1994 Received: from shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06192 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 11:40:31 -0600 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id JAA00692; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:15:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: CD-ROM & SCSI, OS/2, and so on In-Reply-To: <199412100825.AA21263@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, Sean Chou wrote: [Gator CD from Tiger Software] > "Built-in SCSI Adapter Offers Unlimited Options" > > ..."a CD-drive smartly combined with a high-quality Adaptec SCSI > adapter. Plug the Gator CD into any printer port and you have an > instant CD drive -- PLUS a complete SCSI bus you can daisy-chain > other SCSI devices to!" I stand corrected. Pretty neat. They must sell some other brand that is a parallel or SCSI interface, as I'm sure I've seen it. This gadget sounds pretty worthwhile. Gonna buy it? From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:54 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10326 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 12:00:58 -0600 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16871; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 12:00:33 -0600 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa11268; 10 Dec 94 12:54 EST Received: from gusun.acc.georgetown.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa11262; 10 Dec 94 12:53 EST Received: by gusun.acc.georgetown.edu (4.1/1a-eef) id AA23588; Sat, 10 Dec 94 12:54:00 EST Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 12:53:56 -0500 (EST) From: Wirote Aroonmanakun Subject: Re: Case for TP 500 To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu In-Reply-To: <199412101623.LAA17218@slc10.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Roger M. Jones wrote: > > > >> Dear Users, > >> > >> Well I too have a TP 500 & happy I am indeed! > >> I got this from J&R -in their catalog they claimed it came with > >> the "porfolio case". However it didn't & they now claim its IBMs fault > >> Anyone had the same problem & was it resolved in any way? > > I bought mine from J&R. Didn't aware about the case. I bought 170MB model w/ 4 MRAM. Anyway, the saleperson quote me $975. Wirote From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:42:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28068 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:17:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15065; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:31:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:31:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15055; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:31:23 -0500 Received: (from halinatr@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA18687; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:30:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:30:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Darren P. McCabe" Subject: OS/2 Warp Compression To: IBM Thinkpad Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just started running Warp on my TP750, 170mb 20 MG RAM, and I have two observations: 1. What a space hog! Even dumping the majority of the free works stuff, AND limiting the swapfile size, this this is a pig. I also dislike how long it takes to boot up, I could do dos and windows in half the time! 2. I bought the Lotus Smartsuite for OS/2 (At $120, what a deal!) and I hope to heck they improve it in the future....Amipro and 123 ae GIANT leaps backward from Word for Windows 6.0 and Excel for win 5.0 in terms of features and ease of use. I am waiting for some enhancements, hint hint! As I have a 170MB hard drive, I decided to make it easy on myself...I copied everthing from my hard drive to the network at work, and then reformatted and started fresh with OS/2 Warp. I managed to get about 5% of my windows programs back on, because I allotted 100 meg for OS/2 and Smartsuite. I didn't realize OS/2 would be wanting a 20meg swap file, and would take over 30 megs if given its way. Needless to say, I am still only moderatly happy with the whole process, but remain optimistic that we will see more native OS/2 software, and hence more enhancements. Someone posted a Stacker-like program for OS/2 which took advantage of 32bit performance....I looked and wound up installing Zipstream, which can't be correct. Could I get the name of that file again, as it appears on the OS/2 Shareware BBS? Thanks, Hal From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:43:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11341 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:06:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25058; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:18:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:18:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25048; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:18:51 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA09930; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 15:18:48 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:19:13 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <58755.jokim@mit.edu> To: halinatr@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: OS/2 Warp Compression In message Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:30:40 -0500 (EST), "Darren P. McCabe" writes: > I just started running Warp on my TP750, 170mb 20 MG RAM, and I have two > observations: > > 1. What a space hog! Even dumping the majority of the free works stuff, Yes it is big. I thought the box gave the amount of disk space needed. > AND limiting the swapfile size, this this is a pig. I also dislike how > long it takes to boot up, I could do dos and windows in half the time! What most of us do is leave it running. I spend far less time waiting for OS/2 to reboot once every few days, than I did with DOS/Windows every few hours. > 2. I bought the Lotus Smartsuite for OS/2 (At $120, what a deal!) and I > hope to heck they improve it in the future....Amipro and 123 ae GIANT > leaps backward from Word for Windows 6.0 and Excel for win 5.0 in terms > of features and ease of use. I am waiting for some enhancements, hint > hint! Supposedly IBM and Lotus made a deal - IBM would give up their rights to Lotus Notes (something about IBM owning a part of that) if Lotus would make sure equivalent OS/2 versions of the Smartsuite apps would appear within 3 months of new Windows versions. As there haven't been any new Windows versions recently... Also, the reports about Works slowing down Warp apply if you've *ever* installed Works. Deleting Works is not enough. You have to reformat, or deregister the Works objects. > Someone posted a Stacker-like program for OS/2 which took advantage of > 32bit performance....I looked and wound up installing Zipstream, which > can't be correct. Could I get the name of that file again, as it appears That's the right file. Are you sure you're using it correctly? I asked the authors if there's a way to make it compress OS/2's system files but they haven't answered. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:43:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15975 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:27:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26301; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:41:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:41:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26291; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:41:44 -0500 Received: from ankle!ankle.spine.com (jesse@localhost) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA18612 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:17:38 -0800 Received: from ankle.UUCP (root@localhost) by colon.spine.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id OAA04546 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 14:02:41 -0800 Received: by ankle.spine.com (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Fri, 09 Dec 1994 21:08:17 -0800 Message-Id: <2ee937c1.ankle@ankle.spine.com> From: jesse@spine.com To: "thinkpad list" Subject: 720, in pieces.. Sender: jesse montrose Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 21:08:17 -0800 Anyone interested in a COMPLETELY disassembled 720? It should work fine, I took it apart because I was upgrading to a 755, and, er, because I spilled coke on the keyboard and it went out. So when I say work fine.. :) I kinda figured I'd try to get a new keyboard out of IBM, but I haven't had a lot of motivation, and if someone else wants to take a crack at it, I'll sell 'em a box of pieces, cheap.. Also have 2 4meg cards and a 14.4 pcmcia modem that I'll throw in.. PS.. I have to agree with the few who've noted the excellent signal/noise ratio on this list, IMNSHO, we're still small enough to be a little more friendly and casual than other lists. I also get a ton of mail, and sympathize with anyone trying to cut down on fluff (though rudeness is never the answer).. a possible solution would be something like CHAT: in the subject, so filters can toss them if desired. From ???@??? Sat Dec 10 17:43:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18315 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:37:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27039; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:55:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:54:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27029; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:54:57 -0500 Received: (from halinatr@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA04658; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:54:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:54:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Darren P. McCabe" Subject: RE: OS/2 Warp Compression To: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <58755.jokim@mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > In message Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:30:40 -0500 (EST), > "Darren P. McCabe" writes: > > > I just started running Warp on my TP750> > > > > AND limiting the swapfile size, this this is a pig. I also dislike how > > long it takes to boot up, I could do dos and windows in half the time! > > What most of us do is leave it running. I spend far less time waiting for > OS/2 to reboot once every few days.... Which I tend to do as well, but isn't rebooting the only way to reset the size of the swapfile? Also, do you just use suspend mode, or are you going into hibernation (Which I never use).... I have just been booting up only once a day, and turning off at night. > > Someone posted a Stacker-like program for OS/2 which took advantage of > > 32bit performance....I looked and wound up installing Zipstream, which > > can't be correct. Could I get the name of that file again, as it appears > > That's the right file. Are you sure you're using it correctly? I asked the > authors if there's a way to make it compress OS/2's system files but they > haven't answered. Hmmmmm. Well then I may not be using it correctly. I told it to mirror my D: (OS/2 HPFS) drive with H:, like in the instructions. But it seems to indicate you have to tell it what files to compress, like simlply zipping them. What I did was type ZSPACK D:\software\FLG, which is my Lotus Freelane directory. After that, I was under the impression the files would program like normal, but they didn't. Did I do something wrong? Also, John, I think I may have come off as an OS/2 basher, or perhaps that's the way you interprted me, but I am not....I really like the product, and was VERY impressed with the way it identified and cooperated with my hardware. I'm not going back to DOS/WIN, just looking forward to moving ahead with OS/2. I use a Colorado Trakker 250, and have not tried to back up since the install. Anyone else using such a device with OS/2 on a thinkpad USING the HPFS? I may need new software..... > _____________________________________________________________________ > |\_____________________________________________________________________\ > | | | > | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | > | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | > | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | > \|_____________________________________________________________________| > Hal McCabe From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 01:44:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13219 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:36:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03540; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:45:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:45:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from noc4.dccs.upenn.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03530; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:45:21 -0500 Received: from DOLPHIN.UPENN.EDU by noc4.dccs.upenn.edu id AA10510; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:45:18 -0500 Received: by dolphin.upenn.edu id SAA05316; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:45:17 -0500 From: mtran@dolphin.upenn.edu (Mark Tran) Posted-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:45:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199412102345.SAA05316@dolphin.upenn.edu> Subject: Leaving screen on. . . To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn2.9] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have a TP755Cs. Is it okay to leave my tp running even though if I'm not using it? I mean, is that bad for the screen or the entire system? I know with desktop machines, it's okay to leave the cpu turned on but should turn the monitor off if you're going to be away from the computer for a while. Is this also true for notebooks? One last thing, where can I get the FAQ for the tp755? Thanks all. . . Mark From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 01:44:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16265 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:50:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04154; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 19:03:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 19:03:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04137; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 19:03:26 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA12593; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:59:44 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 19:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <68407.jokim@mit.edu> To: halinatr@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: OS/2 Warp Compression Sorry this is drifting off the topic of the TP750. In message Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:54:17 -0500 (EST), "Darren P. McCabe" writes: > On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, John H. Kim wrote: >> What most of us do is leave it running. I spend far less time >> waiting for OS/2 to reboot once every few days.... > > Which I tend to do as well, but isn't rebooting the only way to reset the > size of the swapfile? The swapfile will shrink on its own, *very* slowly. The idea is that if you needed all that swap space recently, you'll probably need it again. I take it you have the swapfile in the same partition as all your data and this behavior is irritating? There are config.sys parameters to control the initial size of the swapper, and how much space it should leave free. Type "help swappath" from a command prompt. Unfortunately, there isn't a parameter to control the maximum size - you'll just have to set the free space parameter very high. > Also, do you just use suspend mode, or are you > going into hibernation (Which I never use).... I have just been booting > up only once a day, and turning off at night. Yes, I use the suspend mode if I'm taking the computer someplace unplugged. Otherwise I just leave it. The backlight turns off when I close the lid (or if it's been sitting idle for a few minutes), and I've set the hard drive to spin down after a few minutes. >> That's the right file. Are you sure you're using it correctly? I >> asked the authors if there's a way to make it compress OS/2's system >> files but they haven't answered. > > Hmmmmm. Well then I may not be using it correctly. I told it to mirror > my D: (OS/2 HPFS) drive with H:, like in the instructions. But it seems > to indicate you have to tell it what files to compress, like simlply > zipping them. What I did was type ZSPACK D:\software\FLG, which is my > Lotus Freelane directory. After that, I was under the impression the > files would program like normal, but they didn't. Did I do something > wrong? Yeah. The docs aren't very well organized. It can't compress entire directories at once right now. You *can* compress using wildcards. But the easiest way is just to copy the stuff to the h: drive. After you've attached a Zipstream drive (h: in your case), you can use it just like any other drive. The original files are stored on d: in raw format - either compressed or uncompressed. If you try to view/run a compressed file on your d: drive, it'll look/act like garbage. But if you go to the mirror h: drive and look at the same file, zipstream will decompress it for you on the fly. (uncompressed files look the same on the d: and h: drives) You can compress files directly on the d: drive with ZSPACK, or you can copy it to the h: drive, which will compress it automatically (you'll hear your hard drive at work long after the copy command is "finished"). It'll make a compressed version of your file on your d: drive so you can delete the original. The nice thing about being able to pick and choose which files to compress is that if you're finding a particular file takes too long to decompress, you can just leave it uncompressed. You'll have to redirect any drive letters the program uses from d: to h: though. You can also do some thoughtful drive organization with the ZSATTACH program. I use f: for ftp stuff, g: for programs, and h: for data. All these drives are actually directories on my D: drive. > I use a Colorado Trakker 250, and have not tried to back up since the > install. Anyone else using such a device with OS/2 on a thinkpad USING > the HPFS? I may need new software..... This one you'll have to ask in the OS/2 newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps seems most appropriate. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 01:44:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22354 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 22:01:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14287; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 22:16:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 22:16:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14277; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 22:16:11 -0500 Received: from ss3.ssnet.com by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05138; Sat, 10 Dec 94 22:12:51 EST Received: by ss3.ssnet.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.6)/1.0um) id AA0490; Sat, 10 Dec 94 22:10:33 -0500 Message-Id: <9412110310.AA0490@ss3.ssnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 94 22:01:25 -0500 From: forster@marlin.ssnet.com To: "ThinkPad 750 Mailing List " Reply-To: forster@ssnet.com Subject: RE: OS/2 Warp Compression X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Id: <151_102_1_787114889> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Description: > Also, the reports about Works slowing down Warp apply if you've *ever* > installed Works. Deleting Works is not enough. You have to reformat, or > deregister the Works objects. This is really *NOT* *PROVEN*!!!! I have Warp on my TP755C and it runs great. For a short time I installed Works to have a look at it, and performance did not change a bit!!! Then I deleted it, without ever de-registering the WPS classes (because I don't need works as much as the disk space it uses), and performance is still as snappy and speedy as ever!!! On the other hand, I have Warp on my Desktop (installed with new formatting of the partition) and never even looked at Works there, much less installed it, and it is slow as a snail (which 2.11 wasn't on the same system). It seems that Works causes some performance degradation for some users (definitely not all!) which may be regained by proper removal of all of its components. But the extreme slowness that some systems show does not seem to be related to Works and must be due to some other bug. Peter _____________________________________________________________________ Dr. Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 _____________________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 01:44:44 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28692 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 22:31:50 -0600 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA05816; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 22:31:25 -0600 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa05713; 10 Dec 94 23:22 EST Received: from xgate.kentlaw.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa05709; 10 Dec 94 23:22 EST Received: from NetWare MHS (SMF70) by kentlaw.edu via XGATE 3.01.b16J MHS to SMTP Gateway; Sat, 10 Dec 94 22:15:21 -0600 Message-Id: <4528EA2E018AC9D1@kentlaw.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 94 22:14:00 -0600 From: DAVID CHO Sender: DAVID CHO Organization: Chicago-Kent College of Law To: schudel@ufl.edu, ibm-tp500@virginia.edu Subject: RE: Calling PCMCIA modem suspends my TP500 X-Mailer: XGATE 3.01.b16J MHS to SMTP Gateway FORWARDED MESSAGE from Jack Schudel (SCHUDEL @ SMTP {SCHUDEL@ufl.edu}) at 12/9/94 11:02p I have a TP500 with Megahertz XJACK Gold 14.4 modem. If I setup a com or fax program to answer an incoming call, the TP500 goes into suspend after the first ring. (Actually, it is a weird suspend mode, since it requires a keypress to get out of it... pushing the TrackPoint will not remove it from suspend.) If goes into suspend even if I go into setup and disable power management. This is true in both native DOS and OS/2 Warp. Could some of you try this and let me know if this happens to you? Maybe with different modem cards? Any suggestons on how to track down a solution to this? /Thanks. -jack ***** NOTES from DAVID CHO (DCHO @ KENTNET) at 12/10/94 10:07p finally, something that i might know about... i had the same problem and found a solution. here it is. i hope it works for you: in your config.sys file, you should have a line that looks something like this: device=c:\pcmplus\pcmss.exe /S0=1 /TP500 if you don't have the "/tp500" switch at the end, that's probably the problem. you probably got this problem b/c you installed the drivers that came with megahrtz. i don't think the drivers from megahrtz adds the switch at the end. ever since i discovered that, even though i found a "newer" version of the phoenix drivers at the ibm bbs, i haven't the courage to install them. i now have no problems with my modem (though i eventually returned the megahrtz modem for an Angia modem). btw, if anyone has installed the newer version of the phoenix drivers (or if anything i said above is totally off base), then please e-mail and enlighten me. thanks David (ignorant but trying) Cho From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 01:44:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14964 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 00:04:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21540; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 00:21:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 00:21:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21530; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 00:21:37 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA17021; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 23:21:27 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 00:21:44 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <1306.jokim@mit.edu> To: halinatr@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: OS/2 Warp Compression Sorry this is drifting off the topic of the TP750. In message Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:54:17 -0500 (EST), "Darren P. McCabe" writes: > On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, John H. Kim wrote: >> What most of us do is leave it running. I spend far less time >> waiting for OS/2 to reboot once every few days.... > > Which I tend to do as well, but isn't rebooting the only way to reset the > size of the swapfile? The swapfile will shrink on its own, *very* slowly. The idea is that if you needed all that swap space recently, you'll probably need it again. I take it you have the swapfile in the same partition as all your data and this behavior is irritating? There are config.sys parameters to control the initial size of the swapper, and how much space it should leave free. Type "help swappath" from a command prompt. Unfortunately, there isn't a parameter to control the maximum size - you'll just have to set the free space parameter very high. > Also, do you just use suspend mode, or are you > going into hibernation (Which I never use).... I have just been booting > up only once a day, and turning off at night. Yes, I use the suspend mode if I'm taking the computer someplace unplugged. Otherwise I just leave it. The backlight turns off when I close the lid (or if it's been sitting idle for a few minutes), and I've set the hard drive to spin down after a few minutes. >> That's the right file. Are you sure you're using it correctly? I >> asked the authors if there's a way to make it compress OS/2's system >> files but they haven't answered. > > Hmmmmm. Well then I may not be using it correctly. I told it to mirror > my D: (OS/2 HPFS) drive with H:, like in the instructions. But it seems > to indicate you have to tell it what files to compress, like simlply > zipping them. What I did was type ZSPACK D:\software\FLG, which is my > Lotus Freelane directory. After that, I was under the impression the > files would program like normal, but they didn't. Did I do something > wrong? Yeah. The docs aren't very well organized. It can't compress entire directories at once right now. You *can* compress using wildcards. But the easiest way is just to copy the stuff to the h: drive. After you've attached a Zipstream drive (h: in your case), you can use it just like any other drive. The original files are stored on d: in raw format - either compressed or uncompressed. If you try to view/run a compressed file on your d: drive, it'll look/act like garbage. But if you go to the mirror h: drive and look at the same file, zipstream will decompress it for you on the fly. (uncompressed files look the same on the d: and h: drives) You can compress files directly on the d: drive with ZSPACK, or you can copy it to the h: drive, which will compress it automatically (you'll hear your hard drive at work long after the copy command is "finished"). It'll make a compressed version of your file on your d: drive so you can delete the original. The nice thing about being able to pick and choose which files to compress is that if you're finding a particular file takes too long to decompress, you can just leave it uncompressed. You'll have to redirect any drive letters the program uses from d: to h: though. You can also do some thoughtful drive organization with the ZSATTACH program. I use f: for ftp stuff, g: for programs, and h: for data. All these drives are actually directories on my D: drive. > I use a Colorado Trakker 250, and have not tried to back up since the > install. Anyone else using such a device with OS/2 on a thinkpad USING > the HPFS? I may need new software..... This one you'll have to ask in the OS/2 newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps seems most appropriate. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 01:44:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22022 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 00:45:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22999; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 01:01:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 01:01:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inetgate.prodigy.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22989; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 01:01:06 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com by inetgate.prodigy.com with SMTP id AA68930 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 00:57:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 00:56:40 EST From: VJFY58A@prodigy.com (MR WESLEY T DUNAWAY) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-308.52] Message-Id: <013.02210157.VJFY58A@prodigy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Warp and ThinkPad 750 monochrome -- [ From: Wesley T. Dunaway * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- I don't know how many people out there are using Warp on 750s with monochrome LCDs. It seems to me that most of you people out there have color screens. I'm jealous. On the other hand, I'll bet most of you don't have 20MB RAM! In any event, there is a documented problem with the default Warp SVGA video drivers on 750s with monochrome LCDs. IBM OS/2 Support doesn't care. When running seamless Win-OS/2 sessions, you're left with all manner of garbage on the screen left over from simple things like pulling down menus. This doesn't afflict you if you use an external monitor. Also, if your CRT was set for 800x600 (or 1024x768 I suppose) and you then used the LCD, your seamless Win-OS/2 windows thought they still had the larger amount of screen real estate to work with; in essence, when maximized, they went off the screen and created more video garbage. I suspect this problem affects all 750 (and 755 and 360, for that matter) users. Finally, there was *absolutely no way* to get full-screen Win-OS/2 up in anything greater than 640x480. I used the ThinkPad video drivers version 1.32 under OS/2 2.1. Those drivers were afflicted by none of these problems. They were, unfortunately, intolerably slow. Well, I got sick of Warp's lame drivers, and installed ThinkPad video drivers version 1.33 over Warp using the instructions for installing over OS/2 2.1 for Windows. They seem much faster than they did under OS/2 2.1, and they don't seem to have any problems at all. I hope this information helps some of you out there, at least until IBM can repair Warp's built-in video drivers. Wesley T. Dunaway (dunaway@s9000.furman.edu) From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 17:41:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00350 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 01:39:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24865; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 01:56:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 01:56:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24855; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 01:56:38 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA21905; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:10:35 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA13501; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:09:31 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412110109.RAA13501@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Leaving screen on. . . To: mtran@dolphin.upenn.edu (Mark Tran) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:09:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199412102345.SAA05316@dolphin.upenn.edu> from "Mark Tran" at Dec 10, 94 06:45:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have a TP755Cs. > > Is it okay to leave my tp running even though if I'm not using it? I > mean, is that bad for the screen or the entire system? I know with > desktop machines, it's okay to leave the cpu turned on but should turn the > monitor off if you're going to be away from the computer for a while. > Is this also true for notebooks? Nope. Your screen is an LCD--LCD's don't suffer from "burn-in" the way CRT's can. There is no harm in leaving it on. That said, I still, at the very least, turn my screen off (hit FN+F3) when I leave my computer running for an extended period of time. The reason is that although your LCD screen won't burn in, presumably that backlight in your screen can burn *out*. I don't know anyone who has had this happen to them, but just the same...I'd rather conserve it as best I can. But there's no need to be paranoid here... ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 17:41:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19058 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:29:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17953; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:01:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:01:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17943; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:01:54 -0500 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id OAA26534; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 14:02:00 -0800 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199412112202.OAA26534@netcom11.netcom.com> Subject: Warp questions & Dock II + Thinkpad 750C + external syquest... To: tp750@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 14:02:00 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Begin INSERT FILE --- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.setup Subject: Warp, Syquest, TP750C, and an Docking Station...can it be done? Summary: Expires: Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Keywords: Okay...I'm about to install Warp. I spent two days moving my linux partition to my syquest. Here's what I have: Adaptec 1520 adaptor (in the docking station) A Syquest hanging off of it... An IBM Thinkpad 750C... Here's what I want to know: Can I install warp while the notebook's plugged into the docking station AND yet still be able to undock (thereby losing 1 drive and 1 adaptor) and use OS/2? Assuming I can...my next question: can I keep my syquest as a removable drive, or will it be treated as a fixed drive? Thanks. From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 17:41:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19342 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:30:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08593; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 14:15:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 14:15:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08572; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 14:15:27 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Sun, 11 Dec 94 20:15 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rGtjZ-0003gdC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 20:15 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 20:12:58 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Q: New IBM modem & Euro-ISDN X-Mailer: Some of you seem very knowledgeable on ISDN, and have access to the relevant product announcements, so maybe you can help me on this ... Is the much-talked-about new IBM PCMCIA modem likely to work on European ISDN lines? I understand the standard here's a little different from the North American one, if there is a standard at all (seems to vary microscopically from country to country!). IBM has been no help, nobody here seems to even know about the product yet. Also, on this issue of the synchronous vs. asynchronous implementation of the protocol, I would assume that with appropriate third-party packet drivers on either end, you'd still be able to do direct IP, just as I am doing now with a Windows Sockets TCP/IP stack and a garden-variety analog modem. Is this correct? The prospect of 64 or 128 kbps through my TP is pretty mouthwatering, especially considering the telecoms over here are just about *giving away* ISDN lines. By the way, love your new sig, Randy. ROTFL. I hope we don't have to wait until the next baby for other such provocative stuff :-) Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de From ???@??? Sun Dec 11 17:41:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19609 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:30:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00446; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:30:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:30:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00432; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:30:43 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rGrA8-0004ttC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 10:30 CST Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rGrA7-0002nbC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 10:30 CST Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGr9x-000BgkC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 10:30 CST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 94 10:30 CST From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) To: JABURNS@jcpenney.com Subject: Re: how comment out audio in system.ini Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Internet Messenger [version 1.0] > The true solution, which I have installed and am running quite happily > with, is to upgrade to audio drivers 1.31 and apply a patch replacing the > IBMMME.DRV with a new version that comes named IBMMME5.DRV. > > With the new drivers (and patch), I have been able to simultaneously run > Word for Windows, Excel, electronic mail, and a couple of other applications > . It's great!!!! FYI, IBMMME5.DRV is on Compuserve's Thinkpad forum. ____ Scott Stratmoen | strat@dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 ex 4762 From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22266 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 22:12:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07602; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 22:31:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 22:31:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07583; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 22:30:59 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id WAA10955; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 22:33:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 22:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Scott Stratmoen Cc: JABURNS@jcpenney.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: how comment out audio in system.ini In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Dec 1994, Scott Stratmoen wrote: > > The true solution, which I have installed and am running quite happily > > with, is to upgrade to audio drivers 1.31 and apply a patch replacing > the > > IBMMME.DRV with a new version that comes named IBMMME5.DRV. > > IBMMME5.DRV is on Compuserve's Thinkpad forum. And it is now also on the unofficial Thinkpad page. http://shadow.net/~dwhite/thinkpad.html. Also there is the text file that came with it that includes tips on recovering BIOS area, tuning the memory requirements of PCMCIA and a few others I can't recall off the top of my head. Also, the program MOREMEM, discussed in the past here. I can't say how well this program works. It's actually kind of annoying to find out that such an improvement can be realized so easily, but that won't keep me from enjoying the result. The text file documentation is also hotlinked so you can read about it w/o having to transfer it. From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29734 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:03:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17502; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:24:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:24:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from coyote.channel1.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17492; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:24:25 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by coyote.channel1.com (8.6.9/8.6.4) with UUCP id BAA17434 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:24:17 -0500 Received: by channel1 (NetXpress 2.02) with UUCP id E2868F; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:03:23 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: DoomII sound From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.691636.700@channel1.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 09:39:00 -0400 Organization: Channel 1(R) 617-864-0100 Info Subject: DoomII sound Greetings... Anyone been able to get any sound out of the TP750c (beside the PC speaker) while playing DOOM II? If so, would you please post the settings for DOOM II and your Auto and Config files? Thanks in advance..... Joseph Pereira From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26844 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 08:53:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23273; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:05:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:05:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23240; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:04:48 -0500 Received: from fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:07:40 +0000 Received: from UMIST-EE-FS2/MAILQUEUE by fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk (Mercury 1.11); Mon, 12 Dec 94 14:31:47 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by UMIST-EE-FS2 (Mercury 1.11); Mon, 12 Dec 94 14:31:33 GMT From: Danny To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:31:27 GMT Subject: tp 720 X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Danny" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.21 Message-Id: <7382D3B7326@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk> Hi there! I have seen an advert from an English company for some IBM thinkpads at under half price. I would assume that this is because they are old models. The ones available have been called 720 R08 and 720 X08. Do these ring any bells? The (limited) specification provided is: 486SLC50 4 Mb (R08) 8 mB (X08) - I think it is that way round approx 150 Mb HD Mono screen Two PCMCIA type-2 sockets (or 1 type 3) I would like to know the following: Are they available with larger hard disks? What resolution is the monitor output? Is any of the bus local? Thanks for any advice. Danny ******** Garfield rules O.K. ********* (wdh@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk) From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02394 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:16:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25644; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:22:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:22:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25610; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:22:26 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id JAA06979; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:25:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:25:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: how comment out audio in system.ini In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Dec 1994, Donald A. Whiteside wrote: > Also, the program MOREMEM, discussed in the past here. > I can't say how well this program works. Duh. This was meant to say "I can't tell you how well this works!" From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03171 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:19:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26157; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:26:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:26:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns004.ford.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26146; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:26:45 -0500 Received: from sun1.apo.ford.com (sun1.apo.ford.com [19.55.14.24]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA10736 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:26:39 -0500 Received: from [19.90.82.53] by sun1.apo.ford.com (5.0/Ford 2.0) via id AB06744; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:21:45 +0500 Received: from REN0010/PMAIL by ren0010.so.ford.com (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 12 Dec 94 9:26:05 +1100 Received: from PMAIL by REN0010 (Mercury 1.11); Mon, 12 Dec 94 9:25:54 +1100 From: "Adam Wilkinson" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:25:44 EST Subject: FILE: MEMHLP.EXE (IBMMME5.DRV) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-Id: <6208A720DC@ren0010.so.ford.com> Attached is MEMHLP.EXE, which contains IBMMME.DRV and installation instructions. -- Adam Lee Wilkinson Portable Computing Technology Specialist Ford Motor Co. - Marketing & Sales Systems awilkin1@ren0010.so.ford.com From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20380 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:11:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26167; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:26:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:26:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns004.ford.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26147; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:26:45 -0500 Received: from sun1.apo.ford.com (sun1.apo.ford.com [19.55.14.24]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA10730 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:26:38 -0500 Received: from ren0010.so.ford.com ([19.90.82.53]) by sun1.apo.ford.com (5.0/Ford 2.0) via id AA06744; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:21:43 +0500 Received: from REN0010/PMAIL by ren0010.so.ford.com (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 12 Dec 94 9:26:03 +1100 Received: from PMAIL by REN0010 (Mercury 1.11); Mon, 12 Dec 94 9:25:53 +1100 From: "Adam Wilkinson" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:25:42 EST X-Pmuue: memhlp.exe X-Finfo: DOS,"memhlp.exe",,,,Binary Subject: FILE: MEMHLP.EXE (IBMMME5.DRV) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-Id: <6208991712@ren0010.so.ford.com> * This message contains the file 'memhlp.exe', which has been * uuencoded. 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Gwyn Jones Fileshare 2 development, Products Group. DGJ at NWB, GBHFFWHF at IBMMAIL, e-mail: dgj@mfltd.co.uk Subject: Re: Can Windows NT run on a TP755C ? > 1. No built-in PCMCIA support. And as far as I know, none of the card > manufacturers is shipping NT add-in drivers yet, either. I have a press release from Xircom saying they now have drivers for NT and Windows for Worgroups for their Corporate Series CreditCard Ethernet Adaptor. Tel: 818-878-7600 Fax: 818-878-7630 Sales Support: 800-438-4526 FactsLine: 800-775-0400 818-878-6400 BBS: 818-878-7618 Internet: cs@xircom.com Compuserv: GO XIRCOM This is the only PCMCIA support I know of for NT. If anybody tries them out, then be sure to let us all know! Regards, Gwyn. Micro Focus Ltd Tel. (44) (0)1635 565294 26 West Street Fax. (44) (0)1635 565567 Extension 5294 Newbury RG13 1JT U.K. *** Forwarding note from IBMSMTP --NWB 12/09/94 23:55 *** Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:31:46 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: Can Windows NT run on a TP755C ? >If anyone has successfully installed NT (any version) on their ThinkPad >755c???? Apparently Microsoft has, as the 75x machines are on the official Hardware Compatibility List (at least for 3.5), which only includes gear that MS testers have actually tried out. Caveats: 1. No built-in PCMCIA support. And as far as I know, none of the card manufacturers is shipping NT add-in drivers yet, either. 2. Best available video resolution is 640x480x16, on both the LCD screen and external monitors. 3. Possible problems addressing Extended IDE hardrive space > 520 Megs. I'm not certain whether this applies to the large TP drives, but it is known that not all EIDE drives are 100% compatible with NT. As for what you can do to get 3.1 to install, my best advice is to run out and buy the upgrade. 3.5 has a much improved auto-installer, and runs a good deal faster in half as much RAM. A real solid product, I have it on my desktop machine now, too bad the above deficiencies make it a non-contender (for my needs anyway) as a notebook OS. Any further word from Windows 95 beta testers (I know there's at least one of you) on how it fares on a ThinkPad? Best, Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (On topic and behaving himself, while trying desperately to stifle a giggling fit) From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29854 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:44:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07206; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:37:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:37:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07196; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:37:02 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7039; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:36:58 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 2753; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:36:58 EST Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:36:43 EST Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA24030; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:36:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:36:45 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9412121636.AA24030@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Tim Vetter's message of Sun, 11 Dec 1994 20:12:58 +0100 Subject: Q: New IBM modem & Euro-ISDN >Is the much-talked-about new IBM PCMCIA modem likely to work on European >ISDN lines? well, I don't know about that particular modem, but I do know some stuff about ISDN. The American format is 2B1Q, which stands for 2-bit-1-quaternary. Basically, that means that they send two bits per symbol, and each symbol has 4 logic levels. Europe is (I think) 3B2T, which is 3-bits-2-ternary, i.e. they send three bits by sending 2 ternary logic symbols. So, in other words, since the American-standard and European-standard ISDN chipsets are not compatible, therefore the modems cannot be compatible. I don't think anybody has come out with a chipset to do both standards. --andy From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00010 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:45:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06969; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:34:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:34:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns9000.furman.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06924; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:34:45 -0500 From: Received: from by ns9000.furman.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA289440335; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:38:55 -0500 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 94 22:24:16 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Mysterious ThinkPad noises To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Item Subject: Message text A very strange thing happened today. Has anyone else had this happen to them? The ThinkPad 750 monochrome with 20MB RAM and a 170MB hard drive, attached to a Port Replicator I, had been running OS/2 Warp nonstop for days in my dorm room. No shutdowns, a couple of warm boots, but basically uninterrupted operation. Computer was sitting close to an open window. Outside temperature here is about 40-60 degrees F. There's a heater under the window, so the ThinkPad wasn't really cold. About 2pm today I notice a noisy grinding sound coming from the computer. Further investigation reveals that it's coming >from the hard drive. Shut down and detach from Port Replicator. Noise persists. Boot to floppy with hard drive removed to make sure that it was the source of the noise. It was. Put the hard drive back in and turn the ThinkPad back on. All the data on the drive seems to be there. At 6pm I put the ThinkPad in my bag and head for a computer lab. It's my job to supervise the lab. Unfortunately the lab only has Macs. Need a real computer for serious work when I'm in there. Plug in the AC adapter (after all, I stay here for 5 hours) and boot the ThinkPad. The noise is still there. Start thinking of how I'll have to wait for a new hard drive over Christmas break. About 9pm the sound stops. Now the hard drive makes the same old whine it used to. What gives? Unrelated noise problem: Probably 5 or 6 times over the life of the computer (about 10 months now, all under heavy use), the built-in speaker has started cackling like an old AM radio. Every time it happened I was running OS/2 2.1. Of course, that's the only OS I ran for a long time. Restarting the system made the noise go away. Annoying, but certainly not worth taking the computer in over. Again, I would appreciate knowing if anyone has experienced either of these problems. I really can't complain too much about durability problems. I know a fellow with a TI TravelMate, and his computer has been known to just quit working for days at a time. On the other hand, I know someone with an ancient Compaq 386/16. It's really sad that their passive-matrix mono screen looks better than mine. PowerBook mono screens look very nice, also. The best mono screen I ever saw was while I was shopping for my ThinkPad. It was a Compaq, and it actually had an active matrix *mono* screen. It really was beautiful. To my eyes, less stressful than color LCD screens. I probably would have bought that computer, but I couldn't get that screen with anything better than a 25MHz processor. Oh well, I guess I'm stuck with this lousy screen for a while. Not too big a deal as I use an IBM 15" color CRT most of the time. I went with a cheap LCD but a nice monitor. Of course, I thought I could upgrade to a color LCD later, but all I've heard about this is that it costs $3000. Has anyone heard about this upgrade? Upgrading the display is on the bottom of my list of toys to buy, but I'm sure there are some users who would appreciate the information Wesley T. Dunaway (dunaway@s9000.furman.edu) From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10719 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:11:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09705; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:12:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:12:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub-gate.UB.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09694; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:12:00 -0500 Received: from garfield (garfield.UB.com) by ub-gate.UB.com (4.1/SMI-4.1[UB-1.9]) id AA25315; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:11:26 PST Received: from smtp.UB.com ([128.203.7.39]) by garfield (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09320; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:11:11 PST Received: by smtp.UB.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.0)/1.2) id AA0050; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:12:37 -0800 Message-Id: <9412121712.AA0050@smtp.UB.com> Received: from UB with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id CB436B2A2874D888852561230062F48C; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:12:36 To: tp750 From: Ken Yee/UB Networks Date: 12 Dec 94 13:09:03 EDT Subject: Re: new Thinkpads in Spring Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain > The TP will be using the 75Mhz Pentium which I think is > probably too new to be affected by the math bug. An article in an article I read mentioned that the Toshiba 4900 (which uses the 75MHz Pentium) has the bug as well and Toshiba isn't planning on upgrading people when Intel fixes it (which won't be until 1Q95). The mobile Pentium can't be replaced by the user because it is supplied on a fine-pitched chip carrier. I guess buyer beware for anyone looking into any new Pentium systems...there will probably be bargain basement Pentiums w/ the math bug next year :-) > What use would a folding keyboard be? Give me a folding > screen! Or a folding notebook! Why a folding keyboard? If it's anything like the IBM ergonomic keyboard, I'd be pretty happy. A keyboard that can fold or split eases RSI strains. Having the keyboard split and your arms perpendicular to the sides of your body feels more natural... ken (who's had bouts w/ RSI on and off)-: From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:16:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03982 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:09:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12098; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:47:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:47:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns004.ford.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12088; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:47:29 -0500 Received: from sun1.apo.ford.com (sun1.apo.ford.com [19.55.14.24]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA15952 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:47:23 -0500 Received: from ren0010.so.ford.com ([19.90.82.53]) by sun1.apo.ford.com (5.0/Ford 2.0) via id AA00289; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:42:27 +0500 Received: from REN0010/PMAIL by ren0010.so.ford.com (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 12 Dec 94 12:46:48 +1100 Received: from PMAIL by REN0010 (Mercury 1.11); Mon, 12 Dec 94 12:46:40 +1100 From: "Adam Wilkinson" To: ptran@hti.net (Paul Tran) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:46:34 EST Subject: Re: FILE: MEMHLP.EXE (IBMMME5.DRV) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-Id: <65615D4E65@ren0010.so.ford.com> > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:59:14 -0500 > To: "Adam Wilkinson" > From: ptran@hti.net (Paul Tran) > Subject: Re: FILE: MEMHLP.EXE (IBMMME5.DRV) > >Attached is MEMHLP.EXE, which contains IBMMME.DRV > >and installation instructions. > >-- > >Adam Lee Wilkinson > >Portable Computing Technology Specialist > >Ford Motor Co. - Marketing & Sales Systems > > > >awilkin1@ren0010.so.ford.com > > What does this file do ? > > > This is the "fix" for low memory usage by the current audio drivers for the 750/755 under Windows. See previous discussions for additional detail. -- Adam Lee Wilkinson Portable Computing Technology Specialist Ford Motor Co. - Marketing & Sales Systems awilkin1@ren0010.so.ford.com From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:17:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24887 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:58:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15816; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:50:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:50:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15781; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:50:25 -0500 Received: from robr.IAEhv.nl by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.8/1.63) id TAA25573; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:45:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199412121845.TAA25573@iaehv.IAEhv.nl> X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. X-Sender: robr@iaehv.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:44:54 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: robr@iaehv.nl (Rob Ruggenberg) Subject: RE: (Weird) mysterious ThinkPad noises >From: >A very strange thing happened today. Has anyone else had >this happen to them? > About >2pm today I notice a noisy grinding sound coming from the >computer. Further investigation reveals that it's coming >from the hard drive. > About 9pm the sound >stops. Now the hard drive makes the same old whine it used >to. What gives? This is weird. Almost exactly the same happened to me at the same moment! I have a Thinkpad 720C and yesterday in the evening (must be early afternoon in the US) the HD 170 MB began to make a noise like a coffeegrinder. I turned the computer off and on and off and on and the noise stayed. So with haste I began to make a backup of the whole disk (PCTools Backup, costs me 67 diskettes). All the time the noise was there, very annoying. Then I turned the computer off. Late at night, just before I wanted to go to bed, I turned it on. The noise was gone. I worked on it today for three hours now - no noise. So I repeat your question: what gives? - Rob ______________________ Rob Ruggenberg The Netherlands E-mail: robr@iaehv.nl Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know. (Michel de Montaigne) _________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:17:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20987 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 17:24:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18720; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:23:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:23:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18693; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:23:48 -0500 Received: from ankle!ankle.spine.com (jesse@localhost) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA21848 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:57:50 -0800 Received: from ankle.UUCP (root@localhost) by colon.spine.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id LAA00174 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:52:06 -0800 Received: by ankle.spine.com (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:48:02 -0800 Message-Id: <2eec9ae2.ankle@ankle.spine.com> From: jesse@spine.com To: "thinkpad list" Subject: 720, in pieces.. Sender: jesse montrose Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:48:02 -0800 Anyone interested in a COMPLETELY disassembled 720? It should work fine, I took it apart because I was upgrading to a 755, and, er, because I spilled coke on the keyboard and it went out. So when I say work fine.. :) I kinda figured I'd try to get a new keyboard out of IBM, but I haven't had a lot of motivation, and if someone else wants to take a crack at it, I'll sell 'em a box of pieces, cheap.. Also have 2 4meg cards and a 14.4 pcmcia modem that I'll throw in.. PS.. I have to agree with the few who've noted the excellent signal/noise ratio on this list, IMNSHO, we're still small enough to be a little more friendly and casual than other lists. I also get a ton of mail, and sympathize with anyone trying to cut down on fluff (though rudeness is never the answer).. a possible solution would be something like CHAT: in the subject, so filters can toss them if desired. From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:17:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02663 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 17:59:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22701; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:05:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:05:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22678; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:05:35 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA08096 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:05:02 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA54336; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:04:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:04:50 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: jesse@spine.com Cc: thinkpad list Subject: Re: 720, in pieces.. In-Reply-To: <2eec9ae2.ankle@ankle.spine.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jesse, I'm interested in it. I emailed you twice but I guess you didn't get if you sent this out to the list again, perhaps my mail isn't getting routed to you properly. So I'm sending this to the list in the hope that you will see it here. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu On Mon, 12 Dec 1994 jesse@spine.com wrote: > Anyone interested in a COMPLETELY disassembled 720? It should work fine, > I took it apart because I was upgrading to a 755, and, er, because I spilled > coke on the keyboard and it went out. > > So when I say work fine.. :) I kinda figured I'd try to get a new keyboard > out of IBM, but I haven't had a lot of motivation, and if someone else wants > to take a crack at it, I'll sell 'em a box of pieces, cheap.. > > Also have 2 4meg cards and a 14.4 pcmcia modem that I'll throw in.. > > PS.. > > I have to agree with the few who've noted the excellent signal/noise ratio > on this list, IMNSHO, we're still small enough to be a little more friendly > and casual than other lists. > > I also get a ton of mail, and sympathize with anyone trying to cut down on > fluff (though rudeness is never the answer).. a possible solution would be > something like CHAT: in the subject, so filters can toss them if desired. > > From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:17:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15773 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:44:26 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12822; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:28:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:28:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12812; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:28:46 -0500 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02796; Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:29:30 PST Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:29:30 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412122329.AA02796@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: new Thinkpads in Spring In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Ken Yee/UB Networks ' dated: 12 Dec 94 13:09:03 EDT > An article in an article I read mentioned that the Toshiba > 4900 (which uses the 75MHz Pentium) has the bug as well and > Toshiba isn't planning on upgrading people when Intel fixes it > (which won't be until 1Q95). The mobile Pentium can't be > replaced by the user because it is supplied on a fine-pitched > chip carrier. I guess buyer beware for anyone looking into any The "mobile" Pentium chip (I can't remember the code name for the thing, "P5M" or something) is a raw die in a tab-bonded carrier. As I posted earlier, this is a very expensive packaging technology that only a few megalithic corporations can afford. Compaq, for instance, doesn't have the capability of using tab-bonding and isn't sure if its worth the capital investment. If you've never seen a tab-bonded package before, its the thickness of a regular integrated circuit die, suspended by an incredibly thin gold alloy frame. The whole frame is soldered flat to the motherboard, then its covered with a _thick_ layer of black epoxy. You can't remove the chip without a Dremel grinder. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:17:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16907 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:48:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13368; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:37:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:37:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13355; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:37:22 -0500 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03030; Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:38:00 PST Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:38:00 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412122338.AA03030@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: how comment out audio in system.ini In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Donald A. Whiteside" ' dated: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 22:33:47 -0500 (EST) > And it is now also on the unofficial Thinkpad page. > http://shadow.net/~dwhite/thinkpad.html. > > Also there is the text file that came with it that includes tips on > recovering BIOS area, tuning the memory requirements of PCMCIA and a few > others I can't recall off the top of my head. I like the idea of a ThinkPad html page a lot! Good job Don!!! Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:17:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02168 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:40:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23586; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:40:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:40:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inetgate.prodigy.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23559; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:40:02 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com by inetgate.prodigy.com with SMTP id AA17975 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:02:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:01:10 EST From: VJFY58A@prodigy.com (MR WESLEY T DUNAWAY) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-308.52] Message-Id: <013.02241473.VJFY58A@prodigy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: (Weird) mysterious ThinkPad noises -- [ From: Wesley T. Dunaway * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- >>From: >>A very strange thing happened today. Has anyone else had >>this happen to them? >> About >>2pm today I notice a noisy grinding sound coming from the >>computer. Further investigation reveals that it's coming >>from the hard drive. >> About 9pm the sound >>stops. Now the hard drive makes the same old whine it used >>to. What gives? > >This is weird. Almost exactly the same happened to me at the same moment! >I have a Thinkpad 720C and yesterday in the evening (must be early afternoon >in the US) the HD 170 MB began to make a noise like a coffeegrinder. I >turned the computer off and on and off and on and the noise stayed. So with >haste I began to make a backup of the whole disk (PCTools Backup, costs me >67 diskettes). All the time the noise was there, very annoying. Then I >turned the computer off. >Late at night, just before I wanted to go to bed, I turned it on. The noise >was gone. I worked on it today for three hours now - no noise. >So I repeat your question: what gives? > > > >- Rob This certainly is weird. I expected that maybe someone had experienced something similar. I didn't expect that they would have experienced it at *exactly the same time* that I did. In any event, I called the Psychic Hotline today. The nice lady there told me that because of the Aquarian alignment of the Zoroastrian sun, and the gravitational pull of the Comet Europa, a Submusculaneous Alignment took place between Greenville, South Carolina, USA, and a certain town in the Netherlands. This alignment of the stars occurs only once every 100,000 years. She said that our computers must now contact one another physically to restore the bond established by the alignment and that, when it happens, a mystical force will envelope their owners, causing a fully enlightened condition of Bushido. What this means, Rob, is that you must send your TP 720 to me. I will perform the contact and you will have Bushido enlightenment. :-> But seriously, I'm sure coincidences happen, but this is really strange. Has anyone at all had an experience like this? I honestly can't think of a good explanation. Can someone address hard drive noises in general? Maybe dust or something got into the motor and started the grinding noise. Strange, strange, strange. . . Wesley Dunaway (dunaway@s9000.furman.edu) From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:17:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03809 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:46:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24090; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:48:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:48:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24080; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:48:53 -0500 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA20044; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:48:36 +0100 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id DAA28130 (8.6.9/); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:48:35 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:48:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199412130248.DAA28130@asimov.cnam.fr> To: jesse@spine.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 720, in pieces.. I'm a little interested, for the pieces ... is it color or mono? tried to email you earlier - got no reply - I thus apologize to evryone on the list who sees this, and wish them albeit early a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year with their kids and ThinkPads :) Edmund. From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:17:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23065 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:05:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29241; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:10:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:10:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from handel.cs.colostate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29230; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:10:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199412130410.XAA29230@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by handel.cs.colostate.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11600; Mon, 12 Dec 94 21:10:44 -0700 From: joseph foss Subject: DOCK II woes To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 21:10:44 MST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Hello: Ok I got the fine task of figuring out how to get my Boss' new DOCK II up and working. Any suggestions, comments, warnings, prayers? The specs: DOCK II 540 SCSI drive IBM3540 in 1" bay (the left one) TP750CS 540MB 20MB RAM IBM 144 Fax/modem OS/2 v2.1 The DOCKII controller can see the 540 drive at any SCSI address I set when the dock comes up. It gives the SCSI address the drive type IBM3540 with a "!W" tacked onto the end. OS/2 and DOS fdisk's NEVER see the DOCK II drive! The interal Easy setup doesnt acknowlege the existance of a 2nd Harddrive. I can force the boot sequence and get the "No Operating System found" code tho. I copied the OS/2 adaptek driver from the provided disk. I didnt see how its going to "auto-magikcally" load the driver tho, no meantion of actually putting it into the config.sys. I tried just that and it trapped the TP hard! I dont want to put the bios update on the TP cause the bio on it now is of a higher level and works just fine. Dont even say put WARP on, I got enough headaches at the present. Im at my ropes end, any suggestions? IMHO its a bigger "toy" than the DOCKI with more to go wrong it it from my standpoint. Kinda nice having extra PCMCIA slots and 2 ISA and 2 drive capability. Only think I dont like about it really is Im not the one with the TP :-<, I only get to service, maintain, coax and sweet talk the one belonging to my boss! Thanks in Advance Joe Foss fossj@handel.cs.colostate.edu ~ From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 01:17:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25600 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:16:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29630; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:18:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:18:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from coyote.channel1.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29620; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:18:40 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by coyote.channel1.com (8.6.9/8.6.4) with UUCP id XAA25056 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:03:26 -0500 Received: by channel1 (NetXpress 2.02) with UUCP id E287B7; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:30:39 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Help config From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.693398.700@channel1.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 03:51:00 -0400 Organization: Channel 1(R) 617-864-0100 Info Subject: Help config Greetings, I just installed the latest version of the 750c utilities diskette, v2.0. Now i only have 526 k of ram, as before i had 563. Can someone please suggest any deletions or changes to this Config or Auto files? Also, is anyone using Qemm 7.5 memory manager with the 750c, with good results? If so could you post your auto and config files? I want to thank whomever responds with any help and/or suggestions. Joseph Pereira I'm also getting the following message at bootup: out of environmental space CONFIG.SYS ..................................................................... [MENU] menuitem=NORMAL, Setup for Windows! menuitem=GAMES, Setup for Games! menudefault=NORMAL,10 [NORMAL] DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE RAM 256 I=E000-E5FF X=C000-C0FF X=C800-CFFF Dos=high,umb FILES=60 Buffers=20 /x Stacks=9,256 DEVICEhigh=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\NANSI.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM C:\DOS\ /e:300 /p DEVICE=C:\X00.SYS E [GAMES] DOS=HIGH,umb FILES=30 BUFFERS=20 Stacks=0,0 rem DEVICE=C:\dos\EMM386.EXE RAM 256/1024 X=C000-C0FF I=E000-E5FF DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE 256 RAM I=E000-E5FF X=C800-CFFF DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\IBMAUDIO\AUDIODD\TPAUDDD.SYS [COMMON] DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS /S0=2 DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-C0FF DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\SRAMDRV2.SYS ...................................................................... AUTOEXEC.BAT ...................................................................... @ECHO OFF IF NOT "%CONFIG%" == "NORMAL" GOTO GAMES LH C:\dos\mouse.com C:\CPS\vsafe /1+/2-/3-/4+/5+/6+/7-/8- C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE 2048 128 PROMPT $e[s$e[1;34;40m$e[1;67H$d$e[2;67H$h$h$h$e[1;34;40m$e[u$p$e[1;36;40m$e[5; PATH=C:\OBV;C:\PCTOOLS;C:\MCAFEE;C:\WINDOWS;C:\CPS;C:\DOS;C:\DESIGN;C:\PKZIP AUTORUN SCAN C: SET DSZLOG=C:\OBV\DSZLOG.11 SET SYMANTEC=C:\NUDOS\SYMANTEC SET NU=C:\NUDOS SET TEMP=C:\TEMP\ SET PCTOOLS=C:\PCTOOLS\DATA rem LH C:\gravis\gport\NG.EXE rem @loadhigh C:\DOS\SHARE.EXE /l:500 /f:5100 IF NOT "%CONFIG%" == "GAMES" GOTO End :GAMES LH c:\dos\mouse.com LH C:\THINKPAD\IBMAUDIO\VDD\SVAUDIO.EXE Path C:\PCTOOLS;C:\design;C:\Dos LH C:\gravis\gport\NG.EXE :End ..................................................................... From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 16:32:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23238 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:00:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17964; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:08:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:08:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17945; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:08:11 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 1881; Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:08:01 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 4755; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:08:01 EST Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:08:00 EST Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA21503; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:08:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:08:02 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9412131608.AA21503@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: hardware maintenance manual Hi, I have come across an IBM manual which some people might be interested in (particularly the person buying the disassembled 720): it is called "Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: Thinkpad Computers". It contains the service info for the entire Thinkpad line, from the older 700 & 300 machines to the newest 755CD. It also covers docking stations, etc. It contains drawing for disassembly of all machines (screw locations). It also has error codes, service instructions, part listings, specifications, etc. It is a 700-page spiral bound book, IBM part no. S82G-1502-02. It costs $17.50 from the Boulder ctr. (800) 879-2755. --andy From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 16:32:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24589 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:03:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18203; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:11:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:11:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18192; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:11:04 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 1949; Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:10:59 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 5033; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:10:58 EST Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:10:57 EST Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA20994; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:10:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:10:58 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9412131610.AA20994@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: tcp/ip Hi, I was wondering what TCP/IP software people were running on their Thinkpads. I am currently running IBM TCP/IP 2.1.1. for DOS, and it is pretty stinky. Is there anything available that is public domain? I need to also run NFS. I have a 750C and a 3Com 3c589 ethernet card. --andy From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 16:32:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17305 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:59:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21153; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:43:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:43:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from motgate.mot.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21128; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:43:24 -0500 Received: from pobox.mot.com by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA19273; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:42:50 -0600 Received: from motcig.cig.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA00963; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:42:48 -0600 Received: from gyr.ecid.cig.mot.com (gyr.ecid.cig.mot.com [175.2.2.22]) by motcig.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/SCERG-RELAY-1.11) with ESMTP id KAA10789 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:42:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199412131642.KAA10789@motcig.cig.mot.com> From: "Bill Donald" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:42:10 +0000 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.1 01jun94) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Hardware Maintenance Manual in UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Andrew Stevens (stevens@watson.ibm.com) writes > > Hi, I have come across an IBM manual which some people might be > interested in (particularly the person buying the disassembled 720): > it is called "Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: Thinkpad > Computers". It contains the service info for the entire Thinkpad > line, from the older 700 & 300 machines to the newest 755CD. It also > covers docking stations, etc. It contains drawing for disassembly of > all machines (screw locations). It also has error codes, service > instructions, part listings, specifications, etc. > > It is a 700-page spiral bound book, IBM part no. S82G-1502-02. It > costs $17.50 from the Boulder ctr. (800) 879-2755. > > --andy For the benefit of UK readers, I just checked with Technical Publications Centre, Basingstoke, (012 5647 8166), it's available here 11.76 ukp (shipping included) Got to a bargain for this amount of information. Well done Andy for spotting this one. -- Bill Donald donaldb@ecid.cig.mot.com Documentation Group Tel: (44) 017 9350 0088 Motorola ECID FAX: (44) 017 9354 1226 Swindon, SN5 8YQ Home email: wkd@farnbell.demon.co.uk Wilts. UK G7ENQ From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 16:48:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06343 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:27:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10504; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 15:43:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 15:43:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from austin.asc.slb.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10494; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 15:43:01 -0500 From: Received: from bartles (BARTLES.AUSTIN.ASC.SLB.COM) by austin.asc.slb.com (4.1/relay.931202a) id AA07459; Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:41:50 CST Received: by bartles (4.1/client.nfs.930922a) id AA15797; Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:41:55 CST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:41:55 CST Message-Id: <9412132041.AA15797@bartles> To: stevens@watson.ibm.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tcp/ip Andy, If you are able/willing to run WFW and if you do not need serial line support (SLIP or PPP), then take a look at Microsoft's 32 bit "Wolverine" stack. See http://www.microsoft.com/pages/bussys/wolverine/default.htm or ftp it from ftp.microsoft.com/peropsys/windows/public/tcpip This is what I use for my ethernet TCP/IP. I'm happy with it. If you want NFS, call Beame and Whiteside or NetManage. They both offer commercial products (which means you have to buy them). I'm not aware of public domain NFS clients, but then again, I have looked for any. Good luck, Wes From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 17:33:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26671 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 17:18:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16541; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:45:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:45:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16531; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:45:21 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id LAA29505; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:58:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Andrew Stevens Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: hardware maintenance manual In-Reply-To: <9412131608.AA21503@jimi.watson.ibm.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Andrew Stevens wrote: > Hi, I have come across an IBM manual ... > it is called "Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: Thinkpad > Computers". > > It is a 700-page spiral bound book, IBM part no. S82G-1502-02. It > costs $17.50 from the Boulder ctr. (800) 879-2755. Just ordered it, I'll let you all know what I think when I get it (aprox next week). From ???@??? Tue Dec 13 19:08:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21569 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:38:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22776; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:00:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:00:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22755; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:00:31 -0500 Received: from msr.fi.gs.com by tink.com (PMDF V4.3-10 #5880) id <01HKLP2JY9A88WZ937@tink.com>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 17:15:07 -0500 (EDT) Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #7425) id <01HKLNTTN7FK95OCD1@gs.com>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:31:16 EDT Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #7425) id <01HKLNTNKL28987NEK@gs.com>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:31:07 EDT Received: from escher.psd.gs.com by paradev1 (4.1/Para2.1) id AA24340; Tue, 13 Dec 94 16:33:21 EST Received: by escher.psd.gs.com (4.1/Para2.1) id AA18722; Tue, 13 Dec 94 16:33:21 EST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: padwad@psd.gs.com (Danny Padwa) Subject: IBM's Web Page..... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <9412132133.AA24340@paradev1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Did everyone (anyone?) notice http://www.pc.ibm.com/ on the NCSA What's New page? - Danny From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:37:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07869 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:39:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28564; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:44:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:44:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28554; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:44:44 -0500 Received: from colt-69.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28306 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:44:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:44:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199412140044.AA28306@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: CD-ROM & SCSI, OS/2, and so on >[Gator CD from Tiger Software] >> "Built-in SCSI Adapter Offers Unlimited Options" > >I stand corrected. Pretty neat. They must sell some other brand that is a >parallel or SCSI interface, as I'm sure I've seen it. This gadget sounds >pretty worthwhile. Gonna buy it? It will certainly be very handy, especially to OS/2 users who don't have too much choice right now. I won't be getting it anytime soon however. If anyone does, I'm sure we'd love to see a review. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:37:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11115 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:52:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28969; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:52:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:52:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28959; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:52:11 -0500 Received: from colt-69.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28351 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:51:46 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:51:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199412140051.AA28351@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp Compression >1. What a space hog! Even dumping the majority of the free works stuff, >AND limiting the swapfile size, this this is a pig. I also dislike how >long it takes to boot up, I could do dos and windows in half the time! Won't you be surprised when you see that Windows95 comes on 20 some disks? ;) I think this point is pretty much beating a dead horse. DOS/Win may boot up twice as fast, but you'll spend twice as often (at least) booting it up. >2. I bought the Lotus Smartsuite for OS/2 (At $120, what a deal!) and I >hope to heck they improve it in the future....Amipro and 123 ae GIANT >leaps backward from Word for Windows 6.0 and Excel for win 5.0 in terms >of features and ease of use. I am waiting for some enhancements, hint hint! Agree wholeheartedly! It's said that Lotus is waiting for their next release to catch up the OS/2 and Win versions -- of course, that'll be when Win95 ships... >I didn't realize OS/2 would be wanting a 20meg swap file, and would take >over 30 megs if given its way. Needless to say, I am still only There's something wrong here. It shouldn't take that much with 20mb RAM. When I ran on 12mb RAM, I alloted it an initial 10mb swap and it hardly ever went over. >Someone posted a Stacker-like program for OS/2 which took advantage of >32bit performance....I looked and wound up installing Zipstream, which I do believe it was ZipStream. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:37:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21844 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:29:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01560; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:31:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:31:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from maxwell.otago.ac.nz by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01548; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:31:50 -0500 Received: by maxwell.otago.ac.nz (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08529; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:32:27 +1300 From: ballagh@maxwell.otago.ac.nz (robert ballagh) Message-Id: <9412140132.AA08529@maxwell.otago.ac.nz> Subject: tcp/ip To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:32:27 +1300 (NZDT) Rob Ballagh University of Otago Phone: (64)-(03)-4797793 Fax: (64)-(03)-4790964 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1192 > > > Hi, I was wondering what TCP/IP software people were running on their > Thinkpads. I am currently running IBM TCP/IP 2.1.1. for DOS, and it > is pretty stinky. Is there anything available that is public domain? > I need to also run NFS. > > I have a 750C and a 3Com 3c589 ethernet card. > > --andy > I am running both TCP/IP and SLip on a TP 755C, all under Windows for Workgroups. The ethernet PCMCIA is IBM's Credit Card Adapter II The TCP/IP is from Novells Lan Workplace (V4.01). It was a bit of an effort to get it all going, mainly sorting out what memory to allocate, and in the end I dispensed with IBM's AUTODRV However, to run my fax/modem, AUTODRV appears necessary, so I have a conditional boot, depending on whether I am going to be connected to ethernet or to the phone. Now, with the setup hassles were over, it is running well. I'll post my config files if anyone wants them HOWEVER, what I really want to know about is running TCP/IP on Warp. I have my copy of WARP sitting ready to load, but can't afford to be without ethernet. Has anyone got this working either with IBM's Credit Card Adapter II, or Xircoms CEM II ?? Thanks Rob Ballagh From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:37:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26057 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:45:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03081; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:54:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:54:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from werple.mira.net.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03067; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:54:14 -0500 Received: (from guardian@localhost) by werple.mira.net.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA28030; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:53:53 +1100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:52:05 +1100 (EST) From: Nick Allan Subject: upgrading memory To: thinkpad mailinglist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all I want to upgrade my system 750 from its current 4mb of ram to 8mb, Can someone tell me, can I just buy a 4mb dram card and put it in or do I have to do something else. pcmcia is not an option for memory expantion. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Regards Nick Guardian@werple.mira.net.au From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:37:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01446 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:04:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03971; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:06:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:06:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03958; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:06:51 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11928; Tue, 13 Dec 94 18:07:20 PST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 18:07:20 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412140207.AA11928@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: joseph.pereira@channel1.com Subject: Re: Help config In-Reply-To: Mail from 'joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira)' dated: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 03:51:00 -0400 Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU >Also, is anyone using Qemm 7.5 memory manager with the 750c, with good >results? If so could you post your auto and config files? >I want to thank whomever responds with any help and/or suggestions. Joseph, I've been using Qemm with several generations of ThinkPads. In general, it's _somewhat_ worth the hassle. The PCMCIA socket services take up a lot of conventional memory, and I've found Qemm can relocate PCMCIA successfully. However, I am _not_ having a lot of luck with 7.5. I purchased the upgrade from 7.04 because they advertised that they supported socket services directly. Well, that may be true, but 7.5 randomnly knocks off the power management task! Also, when I try to enter suspend mode, the video driver gets corrupted, and the screen turns pretty streaks of colors (the suspend still completes successfully). I have resorted to using 7.04 again until Quarterdeck gets their act together. Quarterdeck goes through this crap every time they distribute a new release. They've posted _three_ patches already (since September) for 7.5, and I've heard of a lot more complaints besides my own. Also, Make sure you take a look at the thinkpad.tec note on the qdeck.com ftp site. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:37:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02323 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:08:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04378; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:13:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:13:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04368; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:12:58 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12073; Tue, 13 Dec 94 18:13:41 PST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 18:13:41 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412140213.AA12073@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: stevens@watson.ibm.com Subject: Re: tcp/ip In-Reply-To: Mail from 'stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens)' dated: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:10:58 -0500 Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Hi, I was wondering what TCP/IP software people were running on their > Thinkpads. I am currently running IBM TCP/IP 2.1.1. for DOS, and it > is pretty stinky. Is there anything available that is public domain? > I need to also run NFS. Andy, I can highly recommend Chameleon/NFS. It is an outstanding package. I have been using it with several generations of ThinkPads and have had no problems. It combines the TCP/IP protocol stack, SLIP, CSLIP (compressed SLIP), PPP, as well as NFS. It also comes with a lot of utilities, including multimedia mail, ftp, ping, finger, printer spoolers... | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:37:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04601 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:17:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04919; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:21:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:21:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04907; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:21:01 -0500 Received: from [192.70.249.45] (mac45.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA12986; Tue, 13 Dec 94 21:20:53 EST Message-Id: <9412140220.AA12986@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:22:37 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Warp on the internet I just installed warp on my 750 monochrome. So far it is disorienting but interesting. It seems very mac like, but without the limitations. Unfortunately, the documentation is minimal: about as bad as windows. I have it configured with Boot Manager, a 262 meg FAT partition for DOS/Windows and a 261 meg HPFS partion for OS2. Despite the fact that this is not their vanilla installation, it was relatively easy to set up. Probably easier than windows! The seamless windows didn't work right at first on the mono lcd, but as WT Dunaway suggested, installation of the 1.33 video features disk fixes this. I havn't used it long enough to comment further, but from the look of things, I may never have to boot dos again. Question: I have installed the internet-access material bundled with the software, but there is no documentation on linking with a physical ethernet network. They assume you are completely ignorant, and only document how to connect to THEIR dial-in SLIP service. I have a 3com 3c589 PCMCIA ethernet card connected to a straight tcpip network. I assume that I can't use the dos drivers. What do I need to do to connect the bundled os/2 software to the card? Tips on where to find good network shareware and freeware would also be appreciated. Please reply to me directly, and I will "digest" the responses for the group (let me know if you dont want your name to be used). Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------ Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 ------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:37:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12767 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:51:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07220; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:00:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07208; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:48 -0500 From: Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA19157; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:31 -0500 Message-Id: <941213215930_5409846@aol.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Wandering Trackpoints Sometimes my mouse cursor decides to wander around the screen. It moves on its own! I think it's haunted! It always heads North East and doesn't stop until it reaches the top of the screen. I can move the cursor, but as soon as I let go, it starts moving again. It only happens every once in a while. I've tried different eraser heads on with the mouse, but no change. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Could it be because I'm using the Logitech MouseWare drivers (for that great Smart Move feature)? (I'm running Windows 3.11.) Alec uncleowen@aol.com P.S. Thanks to all who provided information on the IBMMME5.DRV upgrade. It worked great! From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14680 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07671; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:03:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:03:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from coyote.channel1.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07638; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:03:11 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by coyote.channel1.com (8.6.9/8.6.4) with UUCP id WAA07171 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:03:04 -0500 Received: by channel1 (NetXpress 2.02) with UUCP id E288BF; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:13:19 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Help config (more info) From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.695340.700@channel1.com> In-Reply-To: <9412131411.AA33134@jimi.watson.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 09:33:00 -0400 Organization: Channel 1(R) 617-864-0100 Info Subject: Help config (more info) >you should say what PCMCIA cards you are using when you ask this. >There are a few things you could probably comment out to save RAM >space. >--andy The only cards I'm using are Megahertz modem and an extra 8 meg of ram. Joseph From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15945 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:03:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07207; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07197; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:37 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA11928; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:59:33 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <79206.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp Compression In message Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:51:46 -0600, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) writes: >>I didn't realize OS/2 would be wanting a 20meg swap file, and would take >> over 30 megs if given its way. Needless to say, I am still only > > There's something wrong here. It shouldn't take that much with > 20mb RAM. When I ran on 12mb RAM, I alloted it an initial 10mb > swap and it hardly ever went over. They've changed the swapping algorithm in Warp. Instead of loading system DLLs as they're called, it loads them all and swaps them. Apparently this was one of the tweaks they came up with that speeded up Warp, at the cost of increased swap space. OS/2's swap requirements are becoming more like Unix. On the SCO Unix system I maintain, they recommend a default swapfile equal to twice the amount of RAM you have. Hmm... maybe we should make a TP750-OS/2 sub-mailing list? I feel like I'm cluttering the mailboxes of those not interested in OS/2. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18620 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:15:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09246; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:27:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:27:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09219; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:27:26 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id WAA08800; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:30:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:30:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp Compression In-Reply-To: <79206.jokim@mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > Hmm... maybe we should make a TP750-OS/2 sub-mailing list? I feel like I'm > cluttering the mailboxes of those not interested in OS/2. I don't run OS2 or intend to, but I don't mind the traffic. Then again, as a pseudo-support person, I try to keep up on what's going on in the industry, particulary in the consumer arena. From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22238 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:30:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08874; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:22:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:22:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08864; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:22:36 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA12236; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:22:34 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:23:07 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <80588.jokim@mit.edu> To: guardian@werple.mira.net.au, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: upgrading memory In message Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:52:05 +1100 (EST), Nick Allan writes: > I want to upgrade my system 750 from its current 4mb of ram to 8mb, Can > someone tell me, can I just buy a 4mb dram card and put it in or do I > have to do something else. pcmcia is not an option for memory expantion. You need a JEIDA DRAM card. Pick up a Computer Shopper (or your favorite PC rag), and look up all the ads that sell memory. Many of them will have a section specifically for IBM notebooks. Look up TP750/755 and that's the card you want. Typical prices (at least when I bought my card a year ago) were around $45/meg. I believe there was someone on this list trying to sell a bunch of 4MB cards not too long ago. While I'm on the subject, can anyone recommend a place to buy a 16MB card? I'm finding out that OS/2, TCP/IP, httpd, ftpd, and CSet++ are not happy crammed into 12MB. :-) Anybody else running this much stuff? I hear CSet++ wants 16MB so I'm wondering if I should save for a 32MB card, or just give up and buy a desktop. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22481 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:31:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08861; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:22:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:22:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08847; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:22:24 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA12231; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:22:22 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <80566.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: tcp/ip In message Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:32:27 +1300 (NZDT), ballagh@maxwell.otago.ac.nz (robert ballagh) writes: > HOWEVER, what I really want to know about is running TCP/IP on Warp. I > have my copy of WARP sitting ready to load, but can't afford to be > without ethernet. Has anyone got this working either with IBM's Credit > Card Adapter II, or Xircoms CEM II ?? After asking here about PCMCIA ethernet cards and OS/2, I settled on IBM's Credit Card Adapter II. I've got it running with OS/2 2.1, TCP/IP 2.0 (for OS/2) just fine. To add ethernet functionality to Warp, you can: 1) Wait for and upgrade to the LAN version of Warp due 1Q95, or 2) Buy TCP/IP for OS/2 at about $140 (this gives you ftp and telnet servers if you're specifically looking for those), or 3) Do what the following post says (I haven't tested anything quoted below) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: Howard.Gilbert@yale.edu Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Adding LAN TCP/IP to Warp Date: 5 Nov 1994 03:05:49 GMT Organization: Yale University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <39esqd$r1e@news.ycc.yale.edu> Reply-To: Howard.Gilbert@yale.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: remote1-line4.cis.yale.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Warp is shipped with a number of TCP/IP client programs and all the DLL support. It provides only SLIP transport, but it is compatible with LAN transport available from earlier sources. When the LAN Client version of Warp ships later, it will have all the required code. In the meanwhile... To connect Warp to a LAN, you need two things. You need an NDIS 2 protocol stack to support your LAN card, and you need an IBM TCP/IP NDIS 2 protocol driver. Contrary to several postings on this list, NTS/2 is not enough. NTS/2 (sold separately or bundled with LS 3.0) includes the NDIS 2 stack but does not have the TCP/IP NDIS 2 protocol driver. The protocol driver was shipped separately on the TCPLAPS disk of the OS/2 TCP/IP Base Kit. NTS/2 is slowly being replaced by MPTS/2, an upgraded version that does include TCP/IP support. First, consider getting DEVCON. Cost is $120 (Educational pricing) for a one year subscription with 4 quarterly shipments of CDs. TCP/IP has been on all 5 of the previous DEVCON shipments. Technically, IBM can pull it from the next CD, and then your license to use it would expire. So up to this point this has been a dicy proposition. However, LAN Client will ship in the next quarter (we all hope) and if that is your eventual objective, DEVCON may provide a short term bridge and months of other goodies. If you are poor, then you need a friend. If you can find someone with LAN Server 4.0, you can add a Requestor License on top of his server licence for what appears to be $30. You have to then borrow the disks to install it. There is a claim that DCE Client contains the license at $45, but it is not clear if you get any media. Besides, friends with the DCE SDK are harder to find than friends with LS 4.0 Entry. You can buy MPTS/2 explicitly under the title of Anynet/2. The cost is $130 (with diskettes). If you have this kind of money, the DEVCON approach gets you lots, lots more. ---- Howard Gilbert --Chief Mechanic at PC Lube and Tune Technical training on PC's, networks, and communications. Point Netscape or WebExplorer at http://pclt.cis.yale.edu/pclt/default.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- In addition, Tim Sipples (keeper of the OS/2 FAQ) made a similar post on this topic in the OS/2 newsgroups. I can't seem to find his post on my hard drive though. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24031 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:37:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10318; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:43:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:42:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iss.nus.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10303; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:42:56 -0500 Received: from grape.iss.nus.sg by iss.nus.sg (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26594; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:46:38 +0800 From: kcheong@iss.nus.sg (Kevin Cheong) Message-Id: <9412140346.AA26594@iss.nus.sg> Subject: CHAT: Sub-mailing lists, Re: OS/2 Warp Compression To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:46:36 +0800 (SST) In-Reply-To: <79206.jokim@mit.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Dec 13, 94 10:00:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, maybe include the title of the sub-mailing list into the topic/subject of the message. I think someone mentioned putting "CHAT:.." into the subject header of a message for non-technical tp750 stuff. Others may want to specify, OS/2: LINUX: WIN: ETC: > Hmm... maybe we should make a TP750-OS/2 sub-mailing list? I feel like I'm > cluttering the mailboxes of those not interested in OS/2. > jokim@mit.edu cheers, . kevin cheong iss nus nlp program . From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24657 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:40:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11030; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:52:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:52:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11020; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:52:05 -0500 Received: (from halinatr@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA22062; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:51:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:51:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Darren P. McCabe" Subject: Re: Wandering Trackpoints To: UncleOwen@aol.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <941213215930_5409846@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Dec 1994 UncleOwen@aol.com wrote: > Sometimes my mouse cursor decides to wander around the screen. It moves on > its own! I think it's haunted! > > It always heads North East and doesn't stop until it reaches the top of the > screen. I can move the cursor, but as soon as I let go, it starts moving > again. It only happens every once in a while. I've tried different eraser > heads on with the mouse, but no change. > > Has anyone else encountered this problem? Could it be because I'm using the > Logitech MouseWare drivers (for that great Smart Move feature)? (I'm running > Windows 3.11.) > > Alec > uncleowen@aol.com > > P.S. Thanks to all who provided information on the IBMMME5.DRV upgrade. It > worked great! > > Alec, It could be your drivers, and it could be the "auto-cofigure' feature of the trackpoint freaking out. The trackpoint often takes off on a little journey, but for me, only moves about an inch, then stops. I beleive it is reconfiguring. At one point, it started doing EXACTLY what you mentioned, only I couldn't get it to stay down.....eventualy had to have the service tech come replace the eyboard, which they did no sight in less than 24 hours time! Hal From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24968 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:41:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10687; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:48:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:48:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10676; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:48:47 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA15814 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:48:41 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix12.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix12.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.32.pmax.ul4.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix12.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix12.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:47:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4ivaex200YUoFXcY5A@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:47:09 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Wandering Trackpoints In-Reply-To: <941213215930_5409846@aol.com> I thought the trackpoints were known to wander around and kind of "recalibrate" by themselves. yeah, the pointer wanders around sometimes for me. but I've switched to a mouse, because the trackpoint is annoying. ------------ Alexis and I From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26260 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:47:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10955; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:50:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:50:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10932; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:50:51 -0500 Received: from cessna.oes.amdahl.com by amdahl.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #49) id m0rHkjK-0001j7C; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:50 PST Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA01085; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:50:39 +0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:50:39 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9412140350.AA01085@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, UncleOwen@aol.com Subject: Re: Wandering Trackpoints X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Add my name to the list of people suffering from the occasional wandering cursor. As you say, it moves north-easterly. But I am NOT using Logitech drivers -- I'm using the standard drivers that came with the ThinkPad. And I am using vanilla Windows 3.1. Len Jacobson > From @amdahl.uts.amdahl.com:owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Dec 13 19:41 PST 1994 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:57 EST > From: > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:59:31 -0500 > To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Subject: Wandering Trackpoints > > Sometimes my mouse cursor decides to wander around the screen. It moves on > its own! I think it's haunted! > > It always heads North East and doesn't stop until it reaches the top of the > screen. I can move the cursor, but as soon as I let go, it starts moving > again. It only happens every once in a while. I've tried different eraser > heads on with the mouse, but no change. > > Has anyone else encountered this problem? Could it be because I'm using the > Logitech MouseWare drivers (for that great Smart Move feature)? (I'm running > Windows 3.11.) > > Alec > uncleowen@aol.com > > P.S. Thanks to all who provided information on the IBMMME5.DRV upgrade. It > worked great! > > From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25723 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:45:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19137; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:57:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:57:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19126; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:57:20 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA03761 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:57:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199412140557.VAA03761@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:01:18 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: Wandering Trackpoints >Has anyone else encountered this problem? Could it be because I'm using the >Logitech MouseWare drivers (for that great Smart Move feature)? (I'm running >Windows 3.11.) We all have :) It's a hardware thing, doesn't matter which mouse driver you use. Just be glad you're not using a trackball :) ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/users/jesse I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05062 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:37:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21373; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:49:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:49:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21363; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:49:02 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA03747 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:57:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199412140557.VAA03747@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:01:16 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: ADMIN: proposed subject tags to organize the list.. First let me clarify that I'm in no way responsible for this list, I just stuck the admin in as an example.. This list is small enough that I don't much mind skipping the messages I'm not into, but I've seen a few people that don't wanna, and I feel for them. We may also be a responsible enough bunch to put in some voluntary tags, whaddaya think? The tags will let readers easily (or automatically, depending on their mailreader) toss what they don't want. I'm thinking tags would be caps followed by a colon and a space, like in my subject line. ADMIN: anything about the list itself, rather than messages about thinkpads. CHAT: baby announcements, jokes, etc.. (personally I like the sense of community, but respect those who don't) OS2: anything that is of use ONLY to users LINUX: of the same WINDOWS: operating system.. And no tag would be either general thinkpad related messages, or messages >from people who aren't interested in tagging thier messages :) Cheers! ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/users/jesse I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26777 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:24:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02239; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:25:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:25:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alf.uib.no by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02211; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:25:08 -0500 Received: from novlpr.uib.no by alf.uib.no with SMTP (PP) id <07120-0@alf.uib.no>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:24:22 +0100 Received: From EDBSENT1/WORKQUEUE1 by novlpr.uib.no via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.941214102412.320; 14 Dec 94 10:24:18 -100 Message-Id: From: Thor +ivind Jensen To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:28:31 MET Subject: Re: Help config QEMM 7.04 Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) I would be VERY interestet in your setup for QEMM on the TP750. I gave up an use the bits that came with the TP, but have QEMM on all other computers. Could I ask you for the QEMM line in the config or other advise ? I have a simple setup: No PCMCIA, no sound, no network: I only want much free memory, windows running smoothly and suspend/resume to work reliable. Thor yen Jensen Univ of Bergen From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06921 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:52:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11203; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:55:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:55:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11172; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:55:08 -0500 Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:54:03 +0000 Received: from gps.leeds.ac.uk (gps0) by leeds.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Dec 94 10:53:54 GMT From: J C Cummings Message-Id: <13513.9412141053@gps.leeds.ac.uk> Subject: Re: hardware maintenance manual To: dwhite@shadow.net (Donald A. Whiteside) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:53:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Donald A. Whiteside" at Dec 13, 94 11:58:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Andrew Stevens wrote: > > > Hi, I have come across an IBM manual > ... > > it is called "Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: Thinkpad > > Computers". > > > > It is a 700-page spiral bound book, IBM part no. S82G-1502-02. It > > costs $17.50 from the Boulder ctr. (800) 879-2755. > > Just ordered it, I'll let you all know what I think when I get it (aprox > next week). > Could you, or someone who already has it type/scan in briefly the table of contents ... or give some of us a better idea of what all is covered in it. Many thanks, James mes4jcc@leeds.ac.uk From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21657 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:40:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17884; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:02:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:02:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ftpbox.mot.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17874; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:02:39 -0500 Received: from pobox.mot.com by ftpbox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA11048; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:02:06 -0600 Received: from motcig.cig.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA18463; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:02:04 -0600 Received: from kite.ecid.cig.mot.com (kite.ecid.cig.mot.com [175.2.2.17]) by motcig.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/SCERG-RELAY-1.11) with ESMTP id HAA29323 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:02:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199412141302.HAA29323@motcig.cig.mot.com> From: "Bill Donald" Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:02:43 +0000 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.1 01jun94) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Hardware Maintenance Manuals - Content Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Could you, or someone who already has it type/scan in briefly the > table of contents ... or give some of us a better idea of what > all is covered in it. > > Many thanks, > James > mes4jcc@leeds.ac.uk > This should give you some idea of what is in this type of publication: ThinkPad 720 & 720C Hardware Maintenance Reference S61G-1187-00 Table of Contents................. Product Description Security Microprocessor System Board Features VGA with LCD Controller Option Compatibility Hard Disk Drive Diskette Drive and Diskette System Memory Requirements System Diskettes (Reference & Diagnostic) Installing a New Version of the System Diskettes Making a Backup Copy of the System Partition Diagnostic Programs and Information System Error Log Specifications System AC Adapter Special Tools Removals and Replacements 1010 Battery Pack 1020 Hard Disk Drive 1030 PC Card 1040 IC DRAM Card ..| list of individual modules ..| 1180 Keyboard Assembly Locations Front View Front View, without Indicator Cover Rear View Interior View Bottom View System Status Indicators Processor Card System Board Video Card Base Memory Card Assembly Keyboard Control Card Voltage Converter 63 pp A5 size S61G-1193-00 ThinkPad 720 & 720C Hardware Maintenance Service Table of Contents........... General Checkout Installed Devices List Undetermined Porblem Hard Disk Partition Power Supply Checking the AC Adapter Checking the Car Battery Adapter Checking the Battery Pack Checking the Standby Battery Checking the Quick Charger Checking the Backup Battery Checking the Voltage Converter Keyboard / Auxilliary Input Device Printer LCD (Model 720C only) External Display Self-Test Memory Symptom-to-FRU Index No-Beep Symptoms Beep Symptoms Miscellaneous Symptoms Numeric Error Codes How To Use This Parts Catalog System Overview Parts of ThinkPad 720 and 720C 50 pp Hope this is of use. -- Bill Donald donaldb@ecid.cig.mot.com Documentation Group Tel: (44) 017 9350 0088 Motorola ECID FAX: (44) 017 9354 1226 Swindon, SN5 8YQ Home email: wkd@farnbell.demon.co.uk Wilts. UK G7ENQ From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26862 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:05:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19744; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:30:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:30:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns004.ford.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19732; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:30:14 -0500 Received: from sun1.apo.ford.com (sun1.apo.ford.com [19.55.14.24]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA11586 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:30:09 -0500 Received: from ren0010.so.ford.com ([19.90.82.53]) by sun1.apo.ford.com (5.0/Ford 2.0) via id AA02001; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:25:07 +0500 Received: from REN0010/PMAIL by ren0010.so.ford.com (Mercury 1.12); Wed, 14 Dec 94 8:29:26 +1100 Received: from PMAIL by REN0010 (Mercury 1.11); Wed, 14 Dec 94 8:28:58 +1100 From: "Adam Wilkinson" To: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:28:50 EST Subject: Re: ADMIN: proposed subject tags to organize the list.. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-Id: <9117157B92@ren0010.so.ford.com> I agree with the suggestions for "header etiquette". While I'm not very interested in OS/2 at the moment and have no interest in Linux, I find these discussions both interesting and often relevant, when I have time to peruse them. -- Adam Lee Wilkinson Portable Computing Technology Specialist Ford Motor Co. - Marketing & Sales Systems awilkin1@ren0010.so.ford.com From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10754 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:59:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24396; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:46:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:46:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24385; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:46:02 -0500 Received: from MAIL.ZD.ZIFF.COM by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF V4.3-10 #6906) id <01HKMNYPEMKG001CG3@zcias1.ziff.com>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:45:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:31 -0500 (EST) From: AGross@mail.zd.ziff.com (AGross) Subject: Re: ADMIN: proposed subject tags to organize the list.. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HKMNYPG2DE001CG3@zcias1.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT YOU should get the Nobel Peace prize. Wonderful idea! aeg From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18270 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:22:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27234; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:24:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:24:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27224; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:24:10 -0500 Received: from [192.70.249.45] (mac45.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA13732; Wed, 14 Dec 94 10:23:59 EST Message-Id: <9412141523.AA13732@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:25:46 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: OS2 on internet-false advertising Well from the sound of things, if one wants to use Warp on a LAN you need to buy additional software (TCPIP for OS2), which IBM sells for $207. This brings the total cost of a minimal net-capable system to $287, which compares with NT 3.5, which you can get for $99! I'm fuming! I feel duped! Now I will have to continue to use DOS at work, with OS2 merely a disk-sucking amusement in the evening. Are there any other solutions? ------------------------------------------------------------ Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 ------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26904 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:47:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29336; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:47:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:47:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29326; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:47:20 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA02229 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:39:52 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08195; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:39:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:39:37 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: Thor +ivind Jensen Cc: Robert George , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Help config QEMM 7.04 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I believe you can let QEMM do it's autodetection sequence of areas to exclude and/or to stealth and it will work fine. THe only thing you should add to the QEMM device line is: XBDA:L which will keep the extended bios data area in low memory (otherwise you have problems). On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Thor +ivind Jensen wrote: > I would be VERY interestet in your setup for QEMM on the TP750. I > gave up an use the bits that came with the TP, but have QEMM on all > other computers. Could I ask you for the QEMM line in the config or > other advise ? I have a simple setup: No PCMCIA, no sound, no > network: I only want much free memory, windows running smoothly and > suspend/resume to work reliable. > > > > Thor yen Jensen > Univ of Bergen > From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29021 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:53:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29741; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:52:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:52:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bonjour.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29730; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:52:38 -0500 Received: by bonjour.cc.columbia.edu id AA28288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:52:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:52:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew M. Benkard" X-Sender: amb65@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Wandering Trackpoints In-Reply-To: <941213215930_5409846@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sometimes my mouse cursor decides to wander around the screen. It moves on > its own! I think it's haunted! > > Has anyone else encountered this problem? Could it be because I'm using the > Logitech MouseWare drivers (for that great Smart Move feature)? (I'm running > Windows 3.11.) I got this after waking the computer up from sleep while the TPoint was not centered; that is, I had pushed it to one side. Seems to me that the machine recalibrates while waking up. Solution: put the computer to sleep again, and wake it up. I think that's what I did. Andrew From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00334 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:56:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29940; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:54:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:54:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29930; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:54:00 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7931; Wed, 14 Dec 94 10:53:57 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 6947; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:53:56 EST Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 14 Dec 94 10:53:52 EST Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA29444; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:53:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:53:53 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9412141553.AA29444@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: joseph.pereira@channel1.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Joseph Pereira's message of Mon, 12 Dec 1994 03:51:00 -0400 <40.693398.700@channel1.com> Subject: Help config >DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE RAM 256 I=E000-E5FF X=C000-C0FF X=C800-CFFF >DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE 256 RAM I=E000-E5FF X=C800-CFFF Why do you use a different one for NORMAL and GAMES? Try X=C100-C1FF instead of X=C800-CFFF to save space. Delete the part with C000-C0FF. >DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-C0FF This should match the exclusion in the EMM386 line. So either change it to C800-CFFF (which is what you had) or C100-C1FF (which is what I just told you to change EMM386 to). In any case, your current config is wrong, at least for GAMES. But maybe you never use the modem while in GAMES. >DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\SRAMDRV2.SYS comment this one out, it is for PCMCIA memory card, not for the one under the keyboard. --andy From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09922 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:20:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02152; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:18:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:18:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hincks.physics.carleton.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02142; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:18:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: GODFREY@physics.carleton.ca Message-Id: <941214111759.22c0626d@physics.carleton.ca> Subject: OS2: Networking Let me get this straight. If I want to attach my thinkpad to a tcp/ip type of network (to unix machines, internet etc) I can't do it with WARP out of the box? The advertised internet access for WARP is only for SLIP connections? Steve Godfrey From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11535 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:24:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02403; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:21:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:21:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub-gate.UB.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02362; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:21:47 -0500 Received: from garfield ([128.203.7.25]) by ub-gate.UB.com (4.1/SMI-4.1[UB-1.9]) id AA00250; Wed, 14 Dec 94 08:20:53 PST Received: from smtp.UB.com ([128.203.7.39]) by garfield (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02602; Wed, 14 Dec 94 08:20:33 PST Received: by smtp.UB.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.0)/1.2) id AA1925; Wed, 14 Dec 94 08:22:03 -0800 Message-Id: <9412141622.AA1925@smtp.UB.com> Received: from UB with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 031AE101EDB65772852561250059715A; Wed, 14 Dec 94 08:22:03 To: tp750 From: Ken Yee/UB Networks Date: 14 Dec 94 11:17:57 EDT Subject: RE: OS2 on internet-false advertising Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain > Well from the sound of things, if one wants to use Warp on a LAN you need > to buy additional software (TCPIP for OS2), which IBM sells for $207. This > brings the total cost of a minimal net-capable system to $287, which > compares with NT 3.5, which you can get for $99! I'm fuming! I feel IBM was targetting the home user this time around. Home users normally don't have a full-blown TCP/IP connection :-) so getting them onto the Internet via SLIP is a valid choice... They'll do the ooh ahh thing at demos when you can do the equivalent of multitasking over a serial line (SLIP). I've actually seen this happen.. You'll probably want to wait for the Warp Lan Client which is due out in Q1. Other people (like me) have hacked TCP/IP 2.0 onto Warp to get simultaneous SLIP and TCP/IP (and it doesn't cost $207...only about $140). Another thing you could do if you have a SLIP capable system at school, is to dial into it via Warp's Other Provider option (preferably through a null-modem). Not quite as fast as a direct link, but not that bad, either...my SLIP link through a 28.8K modem is actually faster than the Internet link here.. ken From ???@??? Wed Dec 14 13:38:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19014 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:42:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03028; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:29:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:29:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03018; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:29:27 -0500 From: Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id IAA23795; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:29:20 -0800 Received: by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.9/4.7) id IAA11517; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:29:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:29:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199412141629.IAA11517@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: halinatr@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, UncleOwen@aol.com Subject: Re: Wandering Trackpoints Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU I ran into a person in research at IBM and asked about the wandering trackpoint problem. He explained that if your finger is on the device when it recalibrates (which is, as I recall, every 2 minutes, or so) the program will read the existing pressure as zero and recalibrate accordingly. From that point until the next recalibration you will have to "fight" the device. And if you keep fighting the device for another two minutes, the problem will get worse. The best solution, I was told, is to avoid using the Trackpoint for two minutes as soon as it happens. This has largely resolved my problem -- which is not to say that this is the only possible problem, or the only solution. I do, however, think that this feature of the Trackpoint makes it less desirable as a full substitute for the mouse. There is always a chance that you will be exerting pressure on it at the moment of recalibration, thereby rendering it much less useful until it recalibrates again. Bob Meister From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11126 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:44:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13979; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13958; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:23 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA20917; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:41:15 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:48 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <49309.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: OS2: Networking In message Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:17:59 -0500 (EST), "STEVE GODFREY, 613 788-4386" writes: > Let me get this straight. If I want to attach my thinkpad to a tcp/ip > type of network (to unix machines, internet etc) I can't do it with WARP > out of the box? You can do it via SLIP (and rumors say there's something up with PPP). You just can't do it with ethernet. Real silly if you ask me. > The advertised internet access for WARP is only for SLIP connections? Yes. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15749 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:56:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13989; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13978; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:31 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA20923; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:41:27 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:42:01 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <49322.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: OS2 on internet-false advertising In message Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:25:46 -0500, kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) writes: > Well from the sound of things, if one wants to use Warp on a LAN you need > to buy additional software (TCPIP for OS2), which IBM sells for $207. Don't tell me you buys stuff from IBM? :-) Many places have it for considerably less. ~$140. IBM has been realigning all their networking stuff for the last year or so so I suspect there is going to be more repackaging and price cutting. > This brings the total cost of a minimal net-capable system to $287, which > compares with NT 3.5, which you can get for $99! I'm fuming! I feel NT 3.5 for $99? _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01031 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:35:07 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15692; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:06:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:06:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15677; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:06:46 -0500 Received: from [128.120.18.134] by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.9/UCD3.0) id LAA14537; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:06:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199412141906.LAA14537@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:07:48 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: upgrading memory >Hi all > >I want to upgrade my system 750 from its current 4mb of ram to 8mb, Can >someone tell me, can I just buy a 4mb dram card and put it in or do I >have to do something else. pcmcia is not an option for memory expantion. > >Thanks in advance for any ideas. > > >Regards Nick > >Guardian@werple.mira.net.au After you have obtained the appropriate card and installed it, you must increase the size of the hibernation file. This is described in the ThinkPad manual. Good luck, Brian Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu 74033.2574@compuserve.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10964 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:01:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19958; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:53:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:53:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19947; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:53:38 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02236; Wed, 14 Dec 94 11:53:59 PST Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 11:53:59 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412141953.AA02236@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: guardian@werple.mira.net.au Subject: Re: tcp/ip In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Nick Allan ' dated: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 17:05:17 +1100 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU >> > Hi, I was wondering what TCP/IP software people were running on their >> >> I can highly recommend Chameleon/NFS. It is an outstanding package. > > >Can you tell me, is this a windows based product or dos based? Chameleon/NFS has a very nice Windows interface. It is available for Windows, Windows for Workgroups, and Windows NT. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23025 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:32:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21725; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:17:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:17:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21714; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:17:25 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02935; Wed, 14 Dec 94 12:17:01 PST Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 12:17:01 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412142017.AA02935@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu Subject: windowRe: Help config QEMM 7.04 In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Joshua Hosseinoff ' dated: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:39:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: Thor.O.Jensen@aorg.uib.no, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU >I believe you can let QEMM do it's autodetection sequence of areas to >exclude and/or to stealth and it will work fine. THe only thing you >should add to the QEMM device line is: XBDA:L >which will keep the extended bios data area in low memory (otherwise you >have problems). Yes, in that sense Qemm 7.5 works just like all the other previous versions. The problem is, 7.5 randomly kills the power management task, and corrupts the vga driver when going into suspend mode. 7.04 does not do this. Robert | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24424 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:43:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18962; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:38:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:38:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18952; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:38:45 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA16247 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:38:41 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA02353 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:38:39 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412150238.SAA02353@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Market shares of notebooks To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:38:38 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sometime back, this group was discussing the mysteries of why Apple PowerBooks/Duos had so many 3rd-party parts made for them while we IBM'ers had none. The assumption was that Apple notebooks were the single biggest seller and their market share made it economical to make 3rd party stuff for. Well, that's not the case! According to the Wall Stree Journal a couple days ago (which lifted the information from Dataquest), Here's what the market shares for the "U.S. Portable Computer" market look like for Q3, 1994: Apple: 10.1% IBM: 13.3% Compaq: 13.2% Toshiba:19.5% Others: 43.9% Just another (perhaps useless) factoid for y'all. Apple doesn't have a huge share of the portable market anymore than it does the "regular" PC market. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:46 1994 Received: from cs (CS.UTK.EDU) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22411 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:46:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21743; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:22:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:22:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21725; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:22:21 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rI6lN-0004uHC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:21 CST Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rI6lM-0002nbC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:21 CST Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rI6lG-000BgjC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:21 CST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:21 CST From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: QEMM Files X-Mailer: Internet Messenger [version 1.0] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=apkv3lwm6htd9dihx1nlb4kea7gyf0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Description: QEMM Files There has been some discussion on this mailing list about QEMM 7.5's problems with the 750. While I don't think that the product is problem free, the problems which have been reported can be avoided. The two outstanding problems which have been reported to QDeck are: 1) MFT crashes which attempting to access socket services. 2) Even which a PCMCIA memory area is excluded (remember that v7.5 should be able to determine PCMCIA memory area) drives are squeezed in the excluded area. Thus if you have a LAN card with shared memory (i.e. IBM's card or any National based card) this is a problem. The solution to the first problem is don't attempt to touch the PCMCIA socket services when using MFT. The second problem requires manual intervention while optimizing. In other words, during optimization you must manually force drivers from using the excluded area. Even when using the two workarounds given above, I find that the system traps on illegal instructions. The frequency of system crashes is maybe once a week. All of the 750's functions work except for hibernation. Hibernation requires excluding another range between E000 to EFFF (don't remember the exact range). ____ Scott Stratmoen | strat@dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 ex 4762Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=ETHERQEM.ZIP Content-Description: etherqem.zip Attachment Converted: C:\SCRATCH\ETHERQEM.ZIP From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22780 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:51:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07531; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:58:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:58:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07520; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:58:47 -0500 Received: from dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 15 Dec 94 02:59:07 EST Received: from DORMNET/MAILQUEUE by dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.12); Thu, 15 Dec 94 2:58:41 GMT+7 Received: from MAILQUEUE by DORMNET (Mercury 1.12); Thu, 15 Dec 94 2:58:23 GMT+7 From: "Guy Farrell" Organization: UConn Residence Halls To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:58:15 EST Subject: Q: Where to find BIOS upgrades... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <10B6B35997@dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu> for my TP350? ive heard BIOS upgrades mentioned several times but i havent caught an fpt/www/bbs address. thanks in advance, guy ...................................................................... . Guy W. Farrell . . Laboratory Science House . . University of Connecticut - Class of 199? . . . .E-mail: gfarrell@dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu . .V-mail: (203) 427-2864 . ...................................................................... From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23316 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:58:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08303; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 03:09:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 03:09:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08293; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 03:09:22 -0500 From: Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA11904; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 04:42:13 GMT Received: from slip124-140.ca.us.ibm.net(129.37.124.140) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaHXkDmb; Thu Dec 15 04:41:54 1994 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.6)/1.0um) id AA0018; Wed, 14 Dec 94 20:41:09 -0800 Message-Id: <9412150441.AA0018@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 20:36:57 +0000 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Reply-To: mpsmith@ibm.net Subject: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Id: <17_52_1_787455420> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Description: Good news for the data space starved. Sigma Data is getting 810 Meg hard drives in this week and will ship out all backorders by early next week. They are also going to be getting enough drives delivered that they should be able to keep up with orders from stock. ---------------------------------- mpsmith@ibm.net, msmith@netcom.com Eagerly awaiting an 810 drive :-) From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:49:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17201 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:55:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11781; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:59:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:59:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jcpenney.com by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11748; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:59:30 -0500 Received: from osiris.jcpenney.com by jcpenney.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA22743; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:56:33 -0600 Received: by osiris.jcpenney.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA25322; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:00:09 +0600 Message-Id: <9412151500.AA25322@osiris.jcpenney.com> From: JABURNS@jcpenney.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:00:08: CST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE:Re: ADMIN: proposed subject tags to organize the list.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Description: RE:Re: ADMIN: proposed subject tags to organize the list.. Or maybe the Nobel PC prize!! Subject tags seem like a great idea, much better than a sublist. Even though I am not using WARP (our current standard is WFW 3.11), I appreciate the opportunity to scan through the messages and possibly glean some buried information that may be of a general interest. On the other hand, if mail backs up and I'm short of time I also appreciate the opportunity to skip the messages that are probably of least use. BTW - I'm not sure who IS administering this list, but you're doing a great job (wherever you are)!! ******************************************************************************* John A. Burns Phone: (214) 591-6581 Sr. Technical Specialist Fax: (214) 531-6581 Advanced Information Technologies PROFS/jMail: JABURNS JCPenney Co., Inc. net: jaburns@jcpenney.com *** Forwarded Note *** Subject: Re: ADMIN: proposed subject tags to organize the list.. From: AGross@mail.zd.ziff.com (AGross) Date: Dec 14 09:23 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU CC: ..... YOU should get the Nobel Peace prize. Wonderful idea! aeg *** End Forwarded Note *** From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20906 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 10:08:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11595; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:58:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:58:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11585; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:58:50 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rIHd8-0004uNC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 08:58 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rIHd7-0002ngC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 08:58 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIHd5-0002wvC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 08:58 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: QEMM Files To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:58:03 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9412150355.AA14014@cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Dec 14, 94 07:55:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Scott, > I don't have MIME, could you send me ETHERQEM.ZIP uuencoded? > > Thanks! > > Robert For those who don't have mime... begin 600 ETHERQEM.ZIP M4$L#!!0 @ ( -&L5AT/*7I'2P( '@$ , 05543T5814,N0D%4?51= M;YLP%'V/E#^PI_N0O&PJI-TF34Q(HT **E_#I%$EI(F"DUH%S&R2+O]^-E]+ MJZX/-O>>>WRN[[7-#]MT0@C7Z_F,[&"9TWI']DM=WV<5YK"G+87.G,_FLR@. 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A0 % " @ T:Q6'0\I>D=+ @ M> 0 P 0 @ $%55$]%6$5#+D)!5%!+ 0(4 !0 @ ( M -&L5AT0C%!FXP( !X/ * $ ( '4" !#3TY&24); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 11:33:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18008; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 10:55:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 10:55:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns004.ford.com by cs with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17986; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 10:55:07 -0500 Received: from sun1.apo.ford.com (sun1.apo.ford.com [19.55.14.24]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA09195 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 10:55:04 -0500 Received: from ren0010.so.ford.com ([19.90.82.53]) by sun1.apo.ford.com (5.0/Ford 2.0) via id AA01480; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 10:50:06 +0500 Received: from REN0010/PMAIL by ren0010.so.ford.com (Mercury 1.12); Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:54:24 +1100 Received: from PMAIL by REN0010 (Mercury 1.11); Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:54:04 +1100 From: "Adam Wilkinson" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP), DSTACER@ren0010.so.ford.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 10:53:58 EST Subject: Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-Id: The following was posted an comp.sys.laptops. . . ============================ CUT HERE ==================================== [Hurry! Signature gathering for this petition EXPIRES January 15, 1995!] Following this short introductory section is the petition statement to Intel regarding the serious FDIV design flaw in their Pentium processors. I encourage you to read the petition statement carefully, and if you agree with all three terms (given near the end of the statement), to then "sign" it via Internet e-mail using the instructions which follow the statement. Do follow exactly the directions on how to "sign"; they are not difficult. Note that only those with valid Internet-accessible e-mail addresses can sign this petition. Signatures submitted any way other than via Internet e-mail will NOT be accepted. Many BBS and nearly all on-line services, such as CompuServe, do have Internet e-mail access of some kind. If you are not sure, or don't know how, ask your sysadmin/sysop for assistance. Please do upload this petition statement as soon as possible to any BBS and on-line service in your area. If you have access to one of the major national on-line services such as CompuServe, Prodigy, AOL, etc., do try to upload it there. We are trying to get at least 5000 signatures. Even more signatures are entirely possible if we each put in a little effort to inform others, such as friends and coworkers, about the petition. I plan to submit the signatures to Intel and to the news media by January 15, 1995. However, I will still accept signatures as late as January 30, 1995. Thank you for your signature! And let's get this petition drive going! We only have four short weeks, and it's the Holiday Season to boot. Jon Noring ****************Beginning of Petition Statement to Intel******************** Date: December 14, 1994 Subject: Petition to Intel on the Pentium Design Flaw Dear Intel: We, the undersigned, are very concerned about your handling of the floating point divide (FDIV) design flaw found in all of your Pentium processors manufactured until very recently. We do acknowledge that perfection is hard to achieve in any product. However, there are certain types of imperfections that are serious enough to warrant special attention and treatment. This is clearly one of them. Your actions to downplay the FDIV design flaw have only created confusion and hostility among your loyal customers. In addition, the fact that you knew about the design flaw from July, but did nothing to warn Pentium users about it, and even continued to ship Pentium processors with the FDIV design flaw to resellers until very recently (and probably still are), only adds fuel to the hostility felt by Pentium owners and would-be owners. We know it is not your intent to alienate your customers, but that is effectively what you have done by your mishandling of the situation up to the present. We urge you to change course immediately. You are right in saying that a large number of Pentium users will not be adversely affected by the FDIV design flaw since they are not using their Pentiums *now* for intensive floating point calculations. However, a significant and also large number of Pentium users, including scientists, engineers, designers, financial professionals, students, mathematicians and statisticians, and ordinary spreadsheet users, to name just a few of the affected groups of Pentium users, could encounter this error, with many possible negative consequences. Engineers typically do design calculations where an error could seriously affect public safety; financial analysts dealing with large sums of money where an error in the 4th significant figure (as the design flaw is sometimes capable of producing) can result in millions of dollars of losses. And do not forget that many of your customers bought a Pentium for what it potentially could do, not just to run applications they are currently using. Your claims that it will occur so rarely (e.g., once every 27,000 years for the typical user) as to be inconsequential are totally unfounded, as many recent posts by competent scientists and mathematicians to the Usenet/Internet newsgroup 'comp.sys.intel' have demonstrated beyond a doubt. In addition, IBM, a major seller of Pentium systems, recently issued a press release also doubting your claims, stating that even the ordinary spreadsheet user could encounter this FDIV error every few days -- for a large company with many spreadsheet users, this could lead to several errors per day, some of which could prove costly. Many scientists and engineers have reported that they had to throw away months of costly calculations since they are not sure the answers are correct, or that others will call into question the results during the peer review/publication process. Even several Ph.D. students have reported on Usenet that they have to rerun months of calculations, delaying the completion of their thesis by several months or more. In addition, your implied argument that it wasn't discovered for a long time as being proof that it is not serious, is also incorrect. As an arithmetic flaw, which does not give any warning, it is especially insidious because when it does occur, the user is usually unaware of it (that's why it took so long to be discovered *and* publicized). Only by rerunning the code on a machine with a proven reliable FPU can the error be seen. Most of these codes take so long to run, even on the fast Pentium, that rerunning the codes for verification is very costly and thus are usually not undertaken. Upon hearing of the FDIV design, many Pentium users have rerun FPU intensive calculations on FPU reliable processors and some have reported finding serious discrepancies that went previously unnoticed. Your present policy of downplaying the seriousness of the FDIV design flaw, by using incorrect statistical analysis (your so-called "White Paper"), and by your massive PR media blitz which tends to only give your side of the story (you call it a "subtle flaw" with shades of double-speak in George Orwell's "1984"), is especially serious and adversely affects your credibility. Your offer to replace the Pentium processor for those who, in your opinion, could be affected by the flaw, is tainted by your fairly strict and seemingly arbitrary qualification criteria, as well as your lackluster effort (effectively none) in trying to inform Pentium owners about the FDIV design flaw. Your so-called "Six Point Plan" to handle the situation is clearly motivated by damage control rather than by trying to satisfy your customers. There is a BIG difference. In summary, your mishandling of the entire situation only serves to alienate both your customers and stockholders, and may even make you legally liable for endangering the public safety and for economic losses of various sorts. We are certain you and your stockholders don't want this. We, the undersigned, therefore make the following demands, which we hope you will consider as friendly recommendations from your loyal customers: 1) That you will offer a free replacement Pentium processor (which has been updated so as to fix the FDIV design flaw without slowing down FPU performance) to any owner of a FDIV-flawed Pentium processor who requests a replacement, with *no questions asked*, and with *no exceptions*. In addition, you will make it easy, logistically, for the requester to obtain the replacement processor, and you will pay all reasonable costs for effecting the replacement. 2) That you will make a *good faith* effort to inform all Pentium owners of your replacement offer in demand #1 above, for example, by half to full-page advertising in major newspapers, magazines, trade and scientific journals, notices to Pentium system resellers, universities, research laboratories, etc. All notices and advertisements must include a clearly objective and concise assessment, written by an expert in the field not associated *in any way* with Intel, of the FDIV design flaw and in what type of applications it could cause problems. The assessment must reference, *without comment*, information recently released by IBM concerning the potential frequency of FDIV errors to spreadsheet users. The notices and advertisements must also include the information from demand #3 below. The campaign to inform Pentium owners must begin within six weeks from the acceptance of our demands. 3) That you will publicly release information on how to determine, by the serial number printed on the processor, a FDIV design flawed Pentium from one that has this design flaw fixed. This information must be posted to the Internet as well as provided to your resellers and to the editors of the major PC-related consumer magazines and PC-industry newsletters. We, the undersigned, believe the above demands are not harsh, and will help you to gain credibility and confidence among all computer users. In fact, this may actually result in a marketing victory for you, as people speak enthusiastically and do business with companies who follow the principle that "the customer is always right." They will see you as a company who cares for the little guy, with the result that your long-term success is assured. Without such consumer confidence, no business has ever been able to thrive in the long-term. We ask that you choose to put your customers first, and the long-term profits will surely follow. We are certain that your stockholders would also wholeheartedly agree with this assessment. Intel, do the right thing! Signed, ********************End of Petition Statement to Intel*********************** INSTRUCTIONS FOR SIGNING THIS PETITION It must first be noted that this is a petition, not a vote. By "signing" it you agree with *all* the demands of the petition statement. If you do not agree with all the demands, then your only recourse is to not sign it. In addition, all e-mail signatures will be gathered and will be submitted to Intel as well as to the news media, thus they will become "public". To sign this petition, send e-mail to the following Internet e-mail address: =========================== intel-petition@netcom.com =========================== In your e-mail message, include the following information: 1) For the Subject line use the phrase 'Intel Petition Signature'. 2) Anywhere in the body of the message, include the following line: SIGNED The word 'SIGNED' should be in upper case. The field labeled '' is an *optional* entry indicating if you own or use a Pentium-based computer ('1' means you do, '0' means you don't.) You need not include the '<' and '>' characters as shown above. You can include special comments on separate lines if you like, but these comments may never be sent to Intel and/or to the news media. Please don't include the petition statement itself in your e-mail signature reply. If you don't provide both your e-mail address and *full name* in the signature line as outlined above, your signature will be rejected. Within a few days of receipt of a signature meeting the above requirements, an automated acknowledgment will be e-mailed to you for e-mail address verification purposes. Thank you for signing this petition! Jon Noring -- OmniMedia | Hypertext electronic books for Windows 3.1 are available! 1312 Carlton Place | Current offerings via anonymous ftp: ftp.netcom.com Livermore, CA 94550 | /pub/Om/OmniMedia/books. E-book publishing service follows 510-294-8153 | NWU recommendations. WWW home page coming very soon! -- Adam Lee Wilkinson Portable Computing Technology Specialist Ford Motor Co. - Marketing & Sales Systems awilkin1@ren0010.so.ford.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13929 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:27:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26386; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:32:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:32:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26374; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:32:27 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA09614; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 11:32:25 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:32:50 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <45171.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: ADMIN: Anniversary In message Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:00:08: CST, JABURNS@jcpenney.com writes: > BTW - I'm not sure who IS administering this list, but you're doing a > great job (wherever you are)!! I suppose it's about time to post this. Our admin is Keith Moore aka postmaster@cs.utk.edu. A little over a year ago in reply to an article on comp.sys.laptops, I put a small joke about a mailing list in one of my posts. On Nov 27, 1993, Sean Chou replied to me as follows: ************************************************************************** >In comp.sys.laptops you write: > >>Maybe we 750 owners should start a mailing list or something to keep each >>other updated on things like this.... :) > >Actually, this isn't realy a bad idea since we all have a lot of money >invested in these machines and seeing as they are the first of a breed, >we can probably all expect quite a few problems in the future. > >I'd even be willing to handle it as long as it doesn't get too >ridiculous (which it shouldn't since I've only seen a handful of people >who have them). I guess I should start by: 1) seeing if these messages >are getting through, and 2) posting a message to all TP750/C users out >there.... >-- >Sean Chou >University of Illinois - Champaign >Email: seanchou@uiuc.edu ************************************************************************* For a while we ran off a mailing aliases - everybody kept their own list of everyone else who was "on" the TP750 mailing list, or we'd send mail to Sean and he'd forward it to everyone. Then on Jan 3, 1994, Sean made the following announcement: ************************************************************************* >Keith Moore has offered to set up a permanent home for our Thinkpad 750 >mailing list. A direct quote from him: > >---------------- >I have tentatively set up a regular mailing list at tp750@cs.utk.edu which >has the current membership on it. I'm willing to maintain it if people >send mail to tp750-request@cs.utk.edu for additions/deletions/changes >--------------------- > >I will continue to service this site (well, alias) as long as it's >necessary so if you forget the site, just send it here and I'll >redirect it the proper way. But please try to use this site for all future >posts. Also, I've sent him a list of all current users so none of you >will have to request to be added. I hope that this will be more >convenient as well as useful and I'd like to thank Keith Moore for >taking the brunt of the load off of me. > >However, I will be maintaining a FAQ (when we build enough info to >warrant one) as well as archiving all posts (Keith may also do this). > >Thanks again to all the members who stuck with me as primitive as the >list was! And especially to Robert Dewar (who helped think of this >great idea and answered all my pesty questions before I finally got >my own TP750C) and John Kim (who helped out in general)... ************************************************************************ So this list is over a year old, or almost a year old, depending on if you count from the genesis of the list, or from the genesis of the alias site. Either way, Happy 1st Birthday. Many MANY thanks to Keith Moore, Sean Chou, Robert Dewar, and everyone else whose contributions have made the mailing list a success. Many people have said this before but I'll reiterate: I get at least ten times more useful information from this list than from IBM or comp.sys.laptops. Thanks all! _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16597 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:33:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26181; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:30:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:30:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by cs with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26039; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:28:58 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (get.hooked.net [199.2.134.2]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA10879 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:28:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199412151728.JAA10879@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:28:32 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: ADMIN: file attachments I don't pay for my connection, so these don't bother me, but I'm pretty sure I've heard others complain. Readers who pay by the hour may be annoyed, perhaps we could set up a list ftp site? If nobody else can, my box is moving over the next few weeks, and I can set one up then. ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/users/jesse I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16747 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:33:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26976; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:42:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:42:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from post.demon.co.uk by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26960; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:42:09 -0500 Received: from filct.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id ab23387; 15 Dec 94 17:41 GMT From: "Mike O'Carroll" X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tcp/ip Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:17:50 GMT Message-Id: <9412151717.aa18433@hipass.filct.com> Hi, I was wondering what TCP/IP software people were running on their Thinkpads. I am currently running IBM TCP/IP 2.1.1. for DOS, and it is pretty stinky. Is there anything available that is public domain? I need to also run NFS. I use WinQVT/Net which is shareware ($40). It's been fine for me, though there is no NFS. Mike From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22746 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:51:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27365; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:49:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:49:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by cs with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27353; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:49:06 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (get.hooked.net [199.2.134.2]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA10860 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:28:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199412151728.JAA10860@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:28:27 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg Please report to the list when you've got them up and running! Some of us less bold would love to hear :) >Good news for the data space starved. Sigma Data >is getting 810 Meg hard drives in this week and >will ship out all backorders by early next week. > >They are also going to be getting enough drives >delivered that they should be able to keep up >with orders from stock. ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/users/jesse I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01633 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28842; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28832; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:17 -0500 Received: from isobar.gsfc.nasa.gov by seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov via SMTP (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO) for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU id AA27110; Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:13:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:13:08 -0500 Message-Id: <9412151813.AA27110@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: kirk@seawifs X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kirk@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert Kirk) Subject: Re: ADMIN: file attachments >I don't pay for my connection, so these don't bother me, but I'm pretty sure >I've heard others complain. > >Readers who pay by the hour may be annoyed, perhaps we could set up a list >ftp site? If nobody else can, my box is moving over the next few weeks, and >I can set one up then. >____________________________________________________________________________ >jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/users/jesse > I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume I think getting files from the list is a great convenience, but then I'm living off the taxpayer so what do I know. What is the cost of getting a reasonable sized file like this in your mailbox at one of the commercial servers? I guess it would be small. If it turns out to be less than, say, a beer, would people like the convenience rather than a separate ftp site? Bob Kirk From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02240 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:14:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28800; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:11:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:11:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by cs with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28784; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:11:54 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxukm22448; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:11:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 18:13:28 EST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: tcp/ip To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >I use WinQVT/Net which is shareware ($40). It's been fine for me, though >there is no NFS. Try ftp://lwfws1.uni-paderborn.de/pub/xfs/xfs189.zip. No personal experience, but it's shareware rather than freeware (financial incentive to improve!) ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05728 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:23:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29753; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:23:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:23:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29725; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:23:27 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04 beta) id ef089740; Thu, 15 Dec 94 12:22:44 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:20:53 -0600 Message-Id: From: eddym@mcgawpark.baxter.com To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, "John H. Kim" Subject: Re[2]: OS2 on internet-false advertising Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.787515763" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Just a thought here... NT does not support PCMCIA (except for like two cards), so if you have any notebook users, NT is probably not an option... ...Mike... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: OS2 on internet-false advertising Author: "John H. Kim" at Internet Date: 12/14/94 1:42 PM In message Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:25:46 -0500, kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) writes: > Well from the sound of things, if one wants to use Warp on a LAN you need > to buy additional software (TCPIP for OS2), which IBM sells for $207. Don't tell me you buys stuff from IBM? :-) Many places have it for considerably less. ~$140. IBM has been realigning all their networking stuff for the last year or so so I suspect there is going to be more repackaging and price cutting. > This brings the total cost of a minimal net-capable system to $287, which > compares with NT 3.5, which you can get for $99! I'm fuming! I feel NT 3.5 for $99? _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________|Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from mpg.mcgawpark.baxter.com by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMT P (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04 beta) id eef42561; Wed, 14 Dec 94 13:07:02 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by mpg.mcgawpark.baxter.com id aa28627; 14 Dec 94 13:05 CST Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13989; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:33 EST Errors-to: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13978; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:41:31 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA20923; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:41:27 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:42:01 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <49322.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: OS2 on internet-false advertisingFrom ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09317 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:32:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29614; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:22:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:22:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29603; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:22:17 -0500 Received: from isobar.gsfc.nasa.gov by seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov via SMTP (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO) for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU id AA28472; Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:22:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:22:10 -0500 Message-Id: <9412151822.AA28472@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: kirk@seawifs X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kirk@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert Kirk) Subject: Re: tcp/ip > > Hi, I was wondering what TCP/IP software people were running on their > Thinkpads. I am currently running IBM TCP/IP 2.1.1. for DOS, and it > is pretty stinky. Is there anything available that is public domain? > I need to also run NFS. > > >I use WinQVT/Net which is shareware ($40). It's been fine for me, though >there is no NFS. > >Mike > I use FTP Software's PC/TCP v2.3 which works well, despite the complex, hard to understand (for me) documentation. I use it in a SLIP mode with EUDORA and MOSAIC on top without problems. It does have a poor dial-up script language which doesn't allow for waitfor's for instance. Bob Kirk From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23047 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:08:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02139; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:55:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:55:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com by cs with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02108; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:55:41 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04 beta) id ef091080; Thu, 15 Dec 94 12:55:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:48:51 -0600 Message-Id: From: eddym@mcgawpark.baxter.com To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, Joseph Pereira Subject: Re: DoomII sound Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.787517704" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Joe, My understanding is that the TP750C sound hardware is primarily software emulation, therefore DOOM and DOOM II cannot use the sound support due to the way that they access the sound hardware. ...Mike... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: DoomII sound Author: Joseph Pereira at Internet Date: 12/11/94 9:39 AM Subject: DoomII sound Greetings... Anyone been able to get any sound out of the TP750c (beside the PC speaker) while playing DOOM II? If so, would you please post the settings for DOOM II and your Auto and Config files? Thanks in advance..... Joseph PereiraContent-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from mpg.mcgawpark.baxter.com by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMT P (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04 beta) id eebf0160; Mon, 12 Dec 94 00:39:18 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by mpg.mcgawpark.baxter.com id aa10396; 12 Dec 94 0:38 CST Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17502; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:24:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:24:27 EST Errors-to: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from coyote.channel1.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17492; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:24:25 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by coyote.channel1.com (8.6.9/8.6.4 ) with UUCP id BAA17434 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:24:17 -0500 Received: by channel1 (NetXpress 2.02) with UUCP id E2868F; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:0 3:23 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: DoomII sound From: Joseph Pereira Message-ID: <40.691636.700@channel1.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 09:39:00 -0400 Organization: Channel 1(R) 617-864-0100 InfoFrom ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15449 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:06:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07503; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:02:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:02:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07493; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:02:15 -0500 Received: from MAIL.ZD.ZIFF.COM by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF V4.3-10 #6906) id <01HKODAWWBDC001ERO@zcias1.ziff.com>; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:02:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:00 -0500 (EST) From: AGross@mail.zd.ziff.com (AGross) Subject: Re: Q: Where to find BIOS upgrades... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HKODAWXLIQ001ERO@zcias1.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Guy, Bios upgrades are available on ftp.pcco.ibm.com. Andrew From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16824 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:10:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07368; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:00:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:00:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07350; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:00:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199412152000.PAA07350@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24001; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:00:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:00:12 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: mpsmith@ibm.net Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Wed, 14 Dec 94 20:36:57 +0000 from Subject: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg From: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 20:36:57 +0000 Good news for the data space starved. Sigma Data is getting 810 Meg hard drives in this week and will ship out all backorders by early next week. They are also going to be getting enough drives delivered that they should be able to keep up with orders from stock. ---------------------------------- mpsmith@ibm.net, msmith@netcom.com Eagerly awaiting an 810 drive :-) FYI: IBM has these drives available for immediate shipment. I ordered one on Monday and it showed up yesterday. From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04156 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:53:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11205; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:45:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:45:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11188; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:45:44 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id PAA15109; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:48:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:48:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Chris Hanson Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg In-Reply-To: <199412152000.PAA07350@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Chris Hanson wrote: > FYI: IBM has these drives available for immediate shipment. I ordered > one on Monday and it showed up yesterday. Yall talking about the 2.5s in the case ready to plug, or just the bare drive? From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07090 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:01:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11241; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:47:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:47:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11230; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:47:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199412152047.PAA11230@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29581; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:46:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:46:47 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: dwhite@shadow.net Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:48:28 -0500 (EST) from "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:48:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Chris Hanson wrote: > FYI: IBM has these drives available for immediate shipment. I ordered > one on Monday and it showed up yesterday. Yall talking about the 2.5s in the case ready to plug, or just the bare drive? In the case and ready to plug in. From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09108 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:06:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12495; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:00:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:00:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12477; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:00:45 -0500 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA10483; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:00:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id WAA00390 (8.6.9/); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:00:37 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:00:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199412152100.WAA00390@asimov.cnam.fr> To: jesse@spine.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ADMIN: file attachments I've had enough of these attachments. If files over 10K are regularly submitted I will have to unsuscribe. Edmund. From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12544 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:14:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13570; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:14:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:14:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from qualcomm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13560; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:14:39 -0500 Received: from gjacobs (gjacobs.qualcomm.com [129.46.122.39]) by qualcomm.com (8.6.9/QC-MAIN-2.0) with SMTP id NAA26381 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199412152113.NAA26381@qualcomm.com> X-Sender: gjacobs@129.46.50.10 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:54 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: gjacobs@qualcomm.com (Gary E. Jacobs) Subject: Re: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg What's the pricing difference? Does the $1395 from Sigma include the case? At 03:48 PM 12/15/94 -0500, Donald A. Whiteside wrote: > > >On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Chris Hanson wrote: > >> FYI: IBM has these drives available for immediate shipment. I ordered >> one on Monday and it showed up yesterday. > >Yall talking about the 2.5s in the case ready to plug, or just the bare >drive? > > Gary Jacobs gjacobs@qualcomm.com (619)658-4069 voice (619)658-2120 fax From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12762 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:15:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12440; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:00:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:00:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12405; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:00:22 -0500 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id NAA09980; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:00:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:00:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg To: Chris Hanson Cc: mpsmith@ibm.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199412152000.PAA07350@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unfortunately the IBM price is/was $500 more than I got from Sigma Data so I decided to wait. IBM were also out of the drive at the time I enquired. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Chris Hanson wrote: > From: > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 20:36:57 +0000 > > Good news for the data space starved. Sigma Data > is getting 810 Meg hard drives in this week and > will ship out all backorders by early next week. > > They are also going to be getting enough drives > delivered that they should be able to keep up > with orders from stock. > > ---------------------------------- > mpsmith@ibm.net, msmith@netcom.com > Eagerly awaiting an 810 drive :-) > > FYI: IBM has these drives available for immediate shipment. I ordered > none on Monday and it showed up yesterday. > From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16639 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:25:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14679; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:27:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:27:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14669; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:26:59 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA14901; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:26:32 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:26:52 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <59214.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ADMIN: file attachments In message Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:13:08 -0500, kirk@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert Kirk) writes: > I think getting files from the list is a great convenience, but then I'm > living off the taxpayer so what do I know. If you can get files via this mailing list, you can get them via normal email. Just ask everyone who'd like a copy to mail you, then mail it to them directly instead of through this list. Yes, I know it's more work, but most things are. On the other hand, is there anyone on this list that pays for his/her mail? _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21391 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:39:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14931; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:30:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:30:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14908; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:30:03 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA01038 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:29:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199412152129.NAA01038@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:29:44 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: ADMIN: file attachments At 10:00 PM 12/15/94 +0100, Edmund Ronald wrote: >I've had enough of these attachments. If files over 10K are regularly >submitted I will have to unsuscribe. I kinda thought some people would be annoyed.. FTP okay with everyone? Does anyone have a site for it? If nobody's put one up by the time my server's ready (a few weeks) I'll do it.. ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22583 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:43:07 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15154; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:32:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:32:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15144; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:32:57 -0500 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id NAA21713; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:32:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: Arie Litman Subject: ADMIN: Its time to rethink putting this list on Usenet.. To: TP-750 List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think this group has out grown the mailing list. It time to reconsider starting a group on usenet.... I woudl probably have to unsubscribe soon because of the traffic and the fact that my 750C is stable and the clutter in my inbox outways the benefits... If this group would exist as a usenet group, I wouls visit it once a week or so, glance over, read what I think I want to, respond, and done... So? what do you say? Arie Litman (408) 324-4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:00:37 +0100 From: Edmund Ronald To: jesse@spine.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ADMIN: file attachments I've had enough of these attachments. If files over 10K are regularly submitted I will have to unsuscribe. Edmund. From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28346 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:59:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15862; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:40:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:40:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15836; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:40:03 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id QAA16794; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:42:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:42:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: "Gary E. Jacobs" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg In-Reply-To: <199412152113.NAA26381@qualcomm.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Gary E. Jacobs wrote: > What's the pricing difference? Does the $1395 from Sigma include the case? > > >> FYI: IBM has these drives available for immediate shipment. I ordered > >> one on Monday and it showed up yesterday. > > > >Yall talking about the 2.5s in the case ready to plug, or just the bare > >drive? John Kim has said it can be as high as ~$400. I'm personally not up on current pricing for the bare drive, but I would be inclined to believe you could get a 800M bare drive for ~$1000, given that 3.5 drives of 800M are going for about $400. From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07721 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:26:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19637; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:21:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:21:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19627; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:21:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199412152221.RAA19627@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12594; Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:21:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:21:40 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: gjacobs@qualcomm.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:54 -0800 from gjacobs@qualcomm.com (Gary E. Jacobs) Subject: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:54 -0800 From: gjacobs@qualcomm.com (Gary E. Jacobs) What's the pricing difference? Does the $1395 from Sigma include the case? I don't know about the Sigma product, but the IBM part is $1905.60 in single quantities, plus shipping. It is ready to plug in. I know that's a big price difference but in this case the product was bought on an account that could afford it. From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21570 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:18:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24446; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:28:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:28:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24436; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:28:05 -0500 Received: from MAIL.ZD.ZIFF.COM by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF V4.3-10 #6906) id <01HKOKIAIE9C001HF4@zcias1.ziff.com>; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:28:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:22 -0500 (EST) From: AGross@mail.zd.ziff.com (AGross) Subject: ADMIN: Its time to rethink putting this list on Usenet.. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HKOKIAJS6A001HF4@zcias1.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I say nay...I much more prefer having this as mail. Andrew To: TList@INTERNET (TP-750 List) {tp750@CS.UTK.EDU}@BUSSYS cc: From: ALitman@INTERNET (Arie Litman) {owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU}@BUSSYS Date: 12/15/94 01:32:00 PM Subject: ADMIN: Its time to rethink putting this list on Usenet.. O-CMS-ErrorsTo: owner-t @ INTERNET (owner-tp750) {owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU} I think this group has out grown the mailing list. It time to reconsider starting a group on usenet.... I woudl probably have to unsubscribe soon because of the traffic and the fact that my 750C is stable and the clutter in my inbox outways the benefits... If this group would exist as a usenet group, I wouls visit it once a week or so, glance over, read what I think I want to, respond, and done... So? what do you say? Arie Litman (408) 324-4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:00:37 +0100 From: Edmund Ronald To: jesse@spine.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ADMIN: file attachments I've had enough of these attachments. If files over 10K are regularly submitted I will have to unsuscribe. Edmund. From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28977 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:48:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25514; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:48:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:48:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25504; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:48:20 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11909; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:48:48 PST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:48:48 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412152348.AA11909@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: eddym@mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re: DoomII sound In-Reply-To: Mail from 'eddym@mcgawpark.baxter.com' dated: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:48:51 -0600 Cc: joseph.pereira@channel1.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Anyone been able to get any sound out of the TP750c (beside the PC > speaker) while playing DOOM II? >> My understanding is that the TP750C sound hardware is primarily >> software emulation, therefore DOOM and DOOM II cannot use the sound >> support due to the way that they access the sound hardware. I think the problem really stems from the fact that the SoundBlaster compatability tsr's are real-mode drivers and Doom runs in protected mode. If IBM ever ported the tsr's to protected mode I believe they would work fine. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00470 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:53:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25919; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:56:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:56:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25885; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:56:35 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id SAA02005; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:54:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199412152354.SAA02005@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Arie Litman Cc: TP-750 List , moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ADMIN: Its time to rethink putting this list on Usenet.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:32:59 PST." Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:54:13 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > I think this group has out grown the mailing list. It time to reconsider > starting a group on usenet.... I woudl probably have to unsubscribe > soon because of the traffic and the fact that my 750C is stable and the > clutter in my inbox outways the benefits... If this group would exist as > a usenet group, I wouls visit it once a week or so, glance over, read > what I think I want to, respond, and done... I always find it odd when people complain about the volume here, and the proposed solution is to move the discussion to usenet. Doing so will surely not decrease the volume, and will surely increase the noise-to-signal ratio! (Incidentally, one of the other lists I'm subscribed to just severed the link between it and its corresponding Usenet newsgroup, because the amount of irrevelant traffic from the latter made it totally useless.) I do understand not wanting tp750 mail to arrive in the same mailbox as personal mail. And yet I'd like to have this continue to be an effective discussion group. So I'd like to suggest some alternative approaches: 1. sort your incoming mail according to topic. I would happily put an extra header in all outgoing tp750 mail that made it easy to separate tp750 list traffic from other messages, and I could try to promote a convention for doing this on all mailing lists. (In another guise I am an author of and/or contributor to several Internet email standards, so this is not as farfetched as it might seem.) 2. multiple mailboxes per user. I subscribe to this list as moore+tp750@cs.utk.edu, so all of my tp750 mail ends up in a special mailbox. Some mail systems already have such a feature built-in, and for many others (e.g. sendmail) it is easy to add. (I'll provide code for those who are interested.) 3. A 'digest' list (separate from the main one) which lumps articles together in batches which are periodically sent out. 4. A www browsable archive of the list, that anyone on the Internet could peruse at his or her leisure. (so you don't actually have to subscribe to the list to keep up) I'd be willing to invest my copious free time in any (perhaps multiple) of these approaches. Notes: #1 is easy on the list side, but recipients need sorting software on their ends. Several capable tools already exist for UNIX, but perhaps not for other systems. #2 is entirely on the recipient's host, but I can provide code for those who want it and try to promote it on the net. #3 is not too difficult to do here, and if lots of people want it I will start working on it in earnest. #4 would only help people with good tcp/ip access. it would be very useful...but it might not quite fit people's needs in this case. I suspect tools for the web server already exist, it's just a matter of finding them and getting the disk space... Keith From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02224 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:00:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25748; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:54:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:54:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25738; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:54:33 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rIPzk-0004tpC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:54 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rIPzj-0002ngC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:53 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIPzh-0002wvC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:53 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: ADMIN: Its time to rethink putting this list on Usenet.. To: litman@netcom.com (Arie Litman) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:53:57 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: from "Arie Litman" at Dec 15, 94 01:32:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think this group has out grown the mailing list. It time to reconsider > starting a group on usenet.... I woudl probably have to unsubscribe > soon because of the traffic and the fact that my 750C is stable and the > clutter in my inbox outways the benefits... If this group would exist as > a usenet group, I wouls visit it once a week or so, glance over, read > what I think I want to, respond, and done... > > So? what do you say? I agree with the traffic in my mailbox. I find it hard to sort out important work related (i.e. Northrop) mail from the Thinkpad list. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02258 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:01:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26207; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:02:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:02:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26198; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:02:04 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id SAA02017; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:59:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199412152359.SAA02017@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: ADMIN: size of file attachments Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU From: tp750-request@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:59:43 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU In general, I'd prefer that people not include file attachments in messages to this list. (Think about it: is nearly *everyone* on the list going to find this file useful? Remember, some people pay for incoming mail, and others have limited disk space in their mailboxes...) If you have the ability, just make the file available for ftp or www access and send the URL to the list. If you can't do that, send ME the file via email (MIME preferred) and I'll make it available on our FTP server here (for a limited time). Keith Moore tp750-request@cs.utk.edu From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10819 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 23:54:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16468; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:12:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:12:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16458; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:12:40 -0500 From: Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA04547; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:12:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:12:25 -0500 Message-Id: <941216001048_7336638@aol.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ADMIN: Its time to rethin... From: litman@netcom.com > I think this group has out grown the mailing list. It time to > reconsider starting a group on usenet.... Wonderful idea! I certainly support it (for whatever that's worth). It would certainly help those of us on AOL (I know, boo hiss) who have a limit to their e-mail boxes. Alec uncleowen@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 16 01:50:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25233 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:16:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20718; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:41:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:41:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20703; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:41:20 -0500 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id WAA06312; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:41:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: DRIVES: Availability of 810meg To: "Gary E. Jacobs" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199412152113.NAA26381@qualcomm.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yup all complete and ready to go. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Gary E. Jacobs wrote: > What's the pricing difference? Does the $1395 from Sigma include the case? > > At 03:48 PM 12/15/94 -0500, Donald A. Whiteside wrote: > > > > > >On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Chris Hanson wrote: > > > >> FYI: IBM has these drives available for immediate shipment. I ordered > >> one on Monday and it showed up yesterday. > > > >Yall talking about the 2.5s in the case ready to plug, or just the bare > >drive? > > > > > > Gary Jacobs > gjacobs@qualcomm.com > (619)658-4069 voice > (619)658-2120 fax > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06862 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:56:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24843; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:51:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:51:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24833; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:51:45 -0500 Received: from ruger-86.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17555 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:51:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:51:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199412160751.AA17555@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: OS/2: swap file >They've changed the swapping algorithm in Warp. Instead of loading system >DLLs as they're called, it loads them all and swaps them. Apparently this >was one of the tweaks they came up with that speeded up Warp, at the cost >of increased swap space. Well, I suppose hard drive space has dropped in price so far below RAM that it only makes sense... I'd settle for it. >Hmm... maybe we should make a TP750-OS/2 sub-mailing list? I feel like I'm >cluttering the mailboxes of those not interested in OS/2. Perhaps a simple subject warning would do? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07149 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:00:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25533; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:03:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:03:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25522; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:03:41 -0500 Received: from dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 16 Dec 94 03:03:59 EST Received: from DORMNET/MAILQUEUE by dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 16 Dec 94 3:03:31 GMT+7 Received: from MAILQUEUE by DORMNET (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 16 Dec 94 3:03:10 GMT+7 From: "Guy Farrell" Organization: UConn Residence Halls To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:03:06 EST Subject: Looking for 340M from new 810M owner Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <28CBC57CD4@dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu> 125M just isnt enough! even for a college student. let me know how much to get you to part with such a puny drive... privately, please. guy ...................................................................... . Guy W. Farrell . . Laboratory Science House . . University of Connecticut - Class of 199? . . . .E-mail: gfarrell@dormnet.stu1.uconn.edu . .V-mail: (203) 427-2864 . ...................................................................... From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09769 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:34:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26732; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:22:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:22:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26721; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:22:53 -0500 Received: from ruger-86.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17699 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:22:32 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:22:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199412160822.AA17699@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: ADMIN: file attachments >I kinda thought some people would be annoyed.. FTP okay with everyone? Does >anyone have a site for it? If nobody's put one up by the time my server's >ready (a few weeks) I'll do it.. I was hoping to be able to set up a server with a web page as well as ftp site for the Thinkpad (and finish up the faq, etc.) but it'd be nice if you could get it done soon... --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10742 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:54:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00246; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:57:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:57:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00236; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:57:27 -0500 Received: from ruger-86.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17752 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:31:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:31:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199412160831.AA17752@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: ADMIN: Its time to rethin... >Wonderful idea! I certainly support it (for whatever that's worth). It >would certainly help those of us on AOL (I know, boo hiss) who have a limit >to their e-mail boxes. Actually, a number of us, regardless of where we are, have a limited account disk space. I know I cram it in with barely room left to breathe. This is one reason for a newsgroup. Of course, as Keith Moore has mentioned, I enjoy the lower s to n ratio we get here, as well as the friendlier environment. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10801 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:54:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00443; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:58:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:58:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00248; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:57:32 -0500 Received: from ruger-86.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17658 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:10:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:10:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199412160810.AA17658@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: RE:Re: ADMIN: proposed subject tags to organize the list.. > BTW - I'm not sure who IS administering this list, but you're doing a great job (wherever you are)!! Thank Keith Moore. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10835 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:55:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27306; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:29:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:29:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from ux3.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27296; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:29:23 -0500 Received: from ruger-86.slip.uiuc.edu by ux3.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17724 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:29:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 02:29:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199412160829.AA17724@ux3.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: CHAT: What a guy that Keith Moore! >I'd be willing to invest my copious free time in any (perhaps >multiple) of these approaches. I find it hard to believe that you have lots of free time! ;) Anyway, you are truly good to us who have nothing more than complaints and more complaints about an outstanding list. I'd like to take this moment, along with what I'm sure to be the vast majority of users, to thank you for your hard work. BTW, what other guise are we talking about here? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11065 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 04:00:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27321; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:29:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:29:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27310; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:29:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA23646 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 18:24:42 +1000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 18:24:35 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: OS2 / WARP: Networking Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <941214111759.22c0626d@physics.carleton.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386 wrote: > Let me get this straight. If I want to attach my thinkpad to a tcp/ip type > of network (to unix machines, internet etc) I can't do it with WARP out > of the box? > > The advertised internet access for WARP is only for SLIP connections? > And can I add to this? If I can get dialup SLIP access through my uni, will warp do it's thing for me? I'm balking at changing over. 99.9% of my software usage is Microsoft Office, some windows fax software and windows comms. Oh did I forget DOOM? ;) How good is Warp at Windows applications if that's most of what I'm likely to use? From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20934 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:22:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25968; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:20:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:20:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25934; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:20:39 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id JAA19002; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:23:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:23:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: ADMIN: Its time to rethin... In-Reply-To: <941216001048_7336638@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Dec 1994 UncleOwen@aol.com wrote: > From: litman@netcom.com > > I think this group has out grown the mailing list. It time to > > reconsider starting a group on usenet.... > Wonderful idea! I certainly support it (for whatever that's worth). It > would certainly help those of us on AOL (I know, boo hiss) who have a limit > to their e-mail boxes. I think we'd get too much junk in a newsgroup. Filtering the mail is a pain for me too, and I don't like the attachments every day, but I contend our quality level would hit the toilet in a newsgroup.... From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25561 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:44:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27529; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:44:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:44:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from grazzt.umd.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27514; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:44:06 -0500 Received: from null.umd.umich.edu (adam@null [141.215.69.11]) by grazzt.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA04911; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:43:21 -0500 Received: (adam@localhost) by null.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA08159; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:44:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Wilkinson To: Keith Moore Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ADMIN: Its time to rethink putting this list on Usenet.. In-Reply-To: <199412152354.SAA02005@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Keith Moore wrote: > > I think this group has out grown the mailing list. It time to reconsider > > starting a group on usenet.... I woudl probably have to unsubscribe > > soon because of the traffic and the fact that my 750C is stable and the > > clutter in my inbox outways the benefits... If this group would exist as > > a usenet group, I wouls visit it once a week or so, glance over, read > > what I think I want to, respond, and done... > > I always find it odd when people complain about the volume here, and > the proposed solution is to move the discussion to usenet. Doing so > will surely not decrease the volume, and will surely increase the > noise-to-signal ratio! I agree! comp.sys.laptops gets cross-posted with all kinds of junk! Something that doesn't happen with E-Mail [snip] > 3. A 'digest' list (separate from the main one) which lumps > articles together in batches which are periodically sent out. An excellent suggestion! Another list I'm on offers a daily digest option - you can choose to receive the messages individually, or a single daily mailig containing ALL traffic that day. Advantage: you now have just one message to browse when you have time. Disadvantage: it's tough if you wish to reply to a particular message, as they are no longer distinct in your reader. > 4. A www browsable archive of the list, that anyone on the Internet > could peruse at his or her leisure. (so you don't actually have > to subscribe to the list to keep up) Also a good idea - a long-term resource available to the entire Net! > I'd be willing to invest my copious free time in any (perhaps > multiple) of these approaches. Keith - I think you'll find several folks (me included, if I can find time ) who'll help with administration tasks once the tech stuff is handled. [snip] > #3 is not too difficult to do here, and if lots of people want it I > will start working on it in earnest. > > #4 would only help people with good tcp/ip access. it would be very > useful...but it might not quite fit people's needs in this case. I > suspect tools for the web server already exist, it's just a matter of > finding them and getting the disk space... > > Keith > -- Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00599 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:32:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06943; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:24:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:24:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub-gate.UB.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06933; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:24:32 -0500 Received: from garfield (garfield.UB.com) by ub-gate.UB.com (4.1/SMI-4.1[UB-1.9]) id AA05281; Fri, 16 Dec 94 08:23:31 PST Received: from smtp.UB.com ([128.203.7.39]) by garfield (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09446; Fri, 16 Dec 94 08:22:44 PST Received: by smtp.UB.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.0)/1.2) id AA0314; Fri, 16 Dec 94 08:24:12 -0800 Message-Id: <9412161624.AA0314@smtp.UB.com> Received: from UB with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 7284C561B9770C2F85256127004D4C90; Fri, 16 Dec 94 08:24:07 To: Robert George Cc: eddym , "joseph.pereira" , tp750 From: Ken Yee/UB Networks Date: 16 Dec 94 9:06:26 EDT Subject: Re: DoomII sound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain > I think the problem really stems from the fact that the SoundBlaster > compatability tsr's are real-mode drivers and Doom runs in protected mode. > If IBM ever ported the tsr's to protected mode I believe they would work > fine. IBM would probably suggest you get a 755CE or 755CD instead. Those two machines have the 2780 mWave chip which has hardware soundblaster support. Now, if they could only get the price on these down to the $4-5K level :-) ken From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07911 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:52:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07355; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:28:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:28:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07335; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:28:23 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA22236; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 08:28:21 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id IAA28413; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 08:28:18 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412161628.IAA28413@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: OS2 / WARP: Networking To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au (Rohan Davidson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 08:28:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Rohan Davidson" at Dec 16, 94 06:24:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386 wrote: > I'm balking at changing over. 99.9% of my software usage is Microsoft > Office, some windows fax software and windows comms. Oh did I forget > DOOM? ;) How good is Warp at Windows applications if that's most of what > I'm likely to use? I have not tried Warp, but I have tried and dumped every other incarnation of OS/2 from 1.2 to 2.1. To me, it mostly boils down to this: If you have OS/2-based software, its wonderful. If you have Windows-based software, then why run OS/2? Just like those who had lots of DOS apps have been disappointed with the way DOS apps ran under Windows, I have been similarly disappointed with the way my Windows Apps. run under OS/2. If the whole world had standardized on OS/2 and had been writing lots of OS/2 apps (yeah, there's 2,000 of them out there somewhere, but nearly all of it is crap that nobody's ever heard of), then it would be a great choice of operating system. Until then, you'll be running almost nothing but Windows or DOS apps. under OS/2--why? In my experience, applications run best on the operating system (lets not get too picky about Windows not really being an op. system--okay, "operating environment") they were designed to run on. This means Windows apps run best on Windows--not on a Mac "SoftWindows", not using WABI on some flavor of Unix, and not on OS/2's Windows implimentation. But if you are willing to select pretty much *only* OS/2-based software (of which the selection is fairly limited--especially if you are a Microsoft Office person), then go to OS/2 and enjoy it--it really is great, but just starving for real application support. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11421 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:01:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09906; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:02:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:02:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09890; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:02:00 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA07302; Fri, 16 Dec 94 10:01:14 MST Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 10:01:14 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412161701.AA07302@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: OS/2: Warp & IBM Works It has been widely reported via comp.os.os2.misc that installing IBM Works on top of OS/2 Warp can in some cases reduce system performance to a crawl. It would appear, however, that this overall system slowdown is hardware dependent, as not everyone using Works has encountered this problem. Since I had not heard whether Thinkpads as a group are afflicted by this malady, I decided to use my machine as the sacrificial lamb. Here are my observations... o System Performance - basically unchanged after installation of Works. The only noticeable effect was a slight increase in boot-up time. The machine was no less responsive than before, and there was no increase in swapper activity or in the size of the swapper file. o System Stability - no change from the pre-Works condition. o Runaway Processes - There has been some discussion about Works initiating runaway background processes which hog system resources and eventually bring the system to its knees. I did notice that the so called "Event Monitor" is started automatically upon startup of various utilities such as the PIM and calendar. This Event Monitor runs minimized, and as such is somewhat stealthy unless you're in the habit of periodically checking the task list. It didn't seem to hog resources or otherwise misbehave, and I'm not convinced of its inherent evilness. o General impression of Works - OK, but nothing special. About on par with what you'd expect out of a package of this type. o Bottom line - IBM Works seems to be well behaved, at least on my `Pad. (Keep in mind that I'm only running on 8MB of ram, too). Also, I am not currently using WIN-OS/2, so if the problem is somehow related to Windows support, I would have been spared as a result. Based on a huge sample size of one, I see no reason to avoid IBM Works for fear of performance degradation. Regards, _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Compuserve: 73741,453 Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20721 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:49:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15630; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:21:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:21:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15614; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:21:46 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA05602; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:21:32 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:21:30 -0600 (CST) From: John Kim Subject: Re: OS2 / WARP: Networking To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP In-Reply-To: <199412161628.IAA28413@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386 wrote: > > > I'm balking at changing over. 99.9% of my software usage is Microsoft > > Office, some windows fax software and windows comms. Oh did I forget > > DOOM? ;) How good is Warp at Windows applications if that's most of what > > I'm likely to use? > > I have not tried Warp, but I have tried and dumped every other > incarnation of OS/2 from 1.2 to 2.1. > > To me, it mostly boils down to this: If you have OS/2-based > software, its wonderful. If you have Windows-based software, then why > run OS/2? Just like those who had lots of DOS apps have been disappointed Mostly I'd agree with Randal (surprise!). If you're doing just fine with what you have, there's no reason to switch. On the other hand, if there's something in Warp that you definitely want, then it's worth looking into. >From a programmer's point of view, the separate memory spaces are invaluable - it is impossible for a program to crash another program or a system. Yes, impossible. As far as program A knows, it owns the entire machine - it can't see memory occupied by other programs. Unfortunately, device drivers and other low level software are exempt from this rule so you often get what looks like a program crashing the entire system. The flat memory addressing is nice too. I also find it really handy to be able to load 300k of device drivers (part of which is the Thinkpad Audio drivers :-) and still have 600k left for my DOS programs. If you really want to try out Warp, my suggestion would be to find someone who has Warp, or buy it with a money back guarantee (IBM Direct does this). Then you can try it out and see if it's to your liking. > In my experience, applications run best on the operating system (lets > not get too picky about Windows not really being an op. system--okay, > "operating environment") they were designed to run on. This means Windows > apps run best on Windows--not on a Mac "SoftWindows", not using WABI on some > flavor of Unix, and not on OS/2's Windows implimentation. I'd qualify that with "on the same hardware." There are Commodore 64 emulators that run circles around the real thing. WABI on a Cray would probably be similar. I royally screwed up my hard drive (reformatted and forgot to save a copy of the stuff I need to restore my backup) so I will not be posting much for a few days at least. Don't cheer too loudly. :-) From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07331 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:35:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19746; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:14:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:14:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19736; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:14:32 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06266; Fri, 16 Dec 94 11:15:11 PST Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 11:15:11 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412161915.AA06266@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ADMIN: Its time to rethink putting this list on Usenet.. In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Adam Wilkinson ' dated: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) > > > I think this group has out grown the mailing list. It time to reconsider ... [lots and lots of verbage] ... > > finding them and getting the disk space... It actually funny when you consider that this complaining about the volume of mail thread is second only to the Warp thread in the total amount of mail generated. Hmmm, a recursive mail thread. I might be able to get a journal article out of this one... :) | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19841 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:12:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24568; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:17:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:17:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub-gate.UB.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24558; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:17:19 -0500 Received: from garfield (garfield.UB.com) by ub-gate.UB.com (4.1/SMI-4.1[UB-1.9]) id AA12514; Fri, 16 Dec 94 12:16:42 PST Received: from smtp.UB.com ([128.203.7.39]) by garfield (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12773; Fri, 16 Dec 94 12:16:28 PST Received: by smtp.UB.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.0)/1.2) id AA0685; Fri, 16 Dec 94 12:17:56 -0800 Message-Id: <9412162017.AA0685@smtp.UB.com> Received: from UB with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id F75F79D50B3C3AE185256127006B3557; Fri, 16 Dec 94 12:17:55 To: tp750 From: Ken Yee/UB Networks Date: 16 Dec 94 15:14:22 EDT Subject: OS2 RE: WARP: Networking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain > [Rohan Davidson writes:] > And can I add to this? Add what? > If I can get dialup SLIP access through my uni, will warp do it's thing > for me? Yes. But VJ compression (a form of CSLIP) is not supported and PPP isn't supported. Everyone supports SLIP. > I'm balking at changing over. 99.9% of my software usage is Microsoft > Office, some windows fax software and windows comms. Oh did I forget > DOOM? ;) How good is Warp at Windows applications if that's most of what > I'm likely to use? Which programs in particular? Faxworks, Unicom, and Crosstalk have no problems. Some programs that use VxD's freak out Warp (read: crash sometimes). Programs in this category mostly include programming environments such as VC++, Borland C++, Symantec C++, Boundschecker. DOOM will run without sound (just as it does under Windows). There is supposed to be an OS/2 PM version of DOOM soon w/ native OS/2 sound, networking, and graphics support. It's supposed to be a tad slower than the DOS version but faster than the WinG version... I personally haven't had to go back to DOS for many things except for DOOM, BoundsChecker, and Novastorm :-) You might want to monitor the comp.os.os2.* newgroups for another perspective... > [Randy Whittle writes: ] > run OS/2? Just like those who had lots of DOS apps have been disappointed > with the way DOS apps ran under Windows, I have been similarly disappointed > with the way my Windows Apps. run under OS/2. Actually, I'm a bit curious as to what problems you had specifically, Randy. (Off-line if you think your perspective is inappropriate for this mailing list). ken p.s., I'm not an OS/2 zealot. :-) It's just that it does more of what I want to do than all the other options I've tried (Windows, NT, Solaris) at this time. From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20042 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:12:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24210; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:13:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:13:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24200; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:13:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199412162013.PAA24200@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26489; Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:13:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:13:36 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Fri, 16 Dec 94 10:01:14 MST from kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Subject: OS/2: Warp & IBM Works Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 10:01:14 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Since I had not heard whether Thinkpads as a group are afflicted by this malady, I decided to use my machine as the sacrificial lamb. Here are my observations... My experience with Works is identical to yours -- there is no significant effect on the performance of the system. I'm glad to hear that this is still true at 8MB since one theory had it that small-memory machines were more prone to trouble. I did notice that the so called "Event Monitor" is started automatically upon startup of various utilities such as the PIM and calendar. FYI: this can be disabled in the PIM configuration notebook. Also, I am not currently using WIN-OS/2, so if the problem is somehow related to Windows support, I would have been spared as a result. I've been using Windows under Warp and it seems to have no effect. From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06499 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:01:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28256; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:04:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:04:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28245; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:03:58 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxuoq26202; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:03:48 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04481; Fri, 16 Dec 94 12:56:37 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA17479; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:05:23 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04213; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:02:12 PST Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:02:12 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9412162102.AA04213@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: OS2 RE: WARP: Networking > > > If I can get dialup SLIP access through my uni, will warp do it's thing > > for me? > Yes. But VJ compression (a form of CSLIP) is not supported and PPP > isn't supported. Everyone supports SLIP. Uh, are you sure about this? It was my understanding that the IBM slip driver does use VJ compression (optionally of course.) Or at least it does in TCP/IP 2.0. I set up a SLIP link with that package under OS/2 2.1 and VJ compression was an option. I believe the SLIP support in WARP is basically TCP/IP 2.0 with only the SLIP drivers. Unless they've taken pains to hack out the VJ support it should be in there. --Bruce From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13560 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:22:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00322; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:28:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:28:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from europe.std.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00305; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:28:29 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA17778; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:27:06 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02695; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:27:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:27:16 -0500 From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) Message-Id: <199412162127.AA02695@world.std.com> To: tp750 , Ken Yee/UB Networks Subject: Re: OS2 RE: WARP: Networking I use warp for Slip (Non-Thinkpad). To clarify some statements re WARP. Plain Slip and VJ Compression is supported. PPP is not supported, but is being added (I heard it was released, but I have not seen it yet). 73 Eric eac@world.std.com and soon to be eac@shore.net From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15400 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:29:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01161; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:38:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:38:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub-gate.UB.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01151; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:38:39 -0500 Received: from garfield (garfield.UB.com) by ub-gate.UB.com (4.1/SMI-4.1[UB-1.9]) id AA15795; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:38:07 PST Received: from smtp.UB.com ([128.203.7.39]) by garfield (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13544; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:37:55 PST Received: by smtp.UB.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.0)/1.2) id AA1633; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:39:23 -0800 Message-Id: <9412162139.AA1633@smtp.UB.com> Received: from UB with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id BA683E4E3AA0D5468525612700767A5E; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:39:22 To: tp750 From: Ken Yee/UB Networks Date: 16 Dec 94 16:35:44 EDT Subject: Re: OS2 RE: WARP: Networking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain > Plain Slip and VJ Compression is supported. PPP is not supported, but is > being added (I heard it was released, but I have not seen it yet). Yep. Sorry. Zoned a bit and was thinking about TIA (The Internet Adapter) which I use to SLIP into a netcom shell account... TIA doesn't support VJ Compression but will support PPP. ken From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:15:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22501 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 21:44:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19065; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:03:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:03:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19053; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:03:30 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA15573; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 21:03:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 21:03:26 -0600 (CST) From: John Kim Subject: OS/2: Warp and PCMCIA ethernet To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! Is anybody running Warp with IBM's Credit Card Adapter II PCMCIA ethernet card? I upgraded and the ethernet install disk bombs. Apparently IBM changed pcmcia.sys from a DEVICE to a BASEDEV and the install program doesn't like it. The card is recognized by the TP, by Warp, but TCP/IP (and maybe LAPS) doesn't see it. This is SOOOO frustrating having to go back to 14.4kbps! It's so slow! :-) Anyone have any ideas what to do? -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu (I backed up everything over the net before I installed Warp, and now I can't restore it so no neat sig) From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:16:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29628 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 09:33:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23873; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 09:46:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 09:46:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23859; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 09:46:35 -0500 Received: from ss23.ssnet.com by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00191; Sat, 17 Dec 94 09:43:19 EST Received: by ss23.ssnet.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.6)/1.0um) id AA0272; Sat, 17 Dec 94 09:39:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9412171439.AA0272@ss23.ssnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 94 09:30:23 -0500 From: forster@marlin.ssnet.com To: "John Kim" , "ThinkPad 750 Mailing List " Reply-To: forster@marlin.ssnet.com Subject: Re: OS/2: Warp and PCMCIA ethernet X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Type: multipart/mixed; charset="US-ASCII"; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0265.787675178" Content-ID: <265_64_1_787674626> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Description: //--- original message ------------------------------------------------------- > AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! > > Is anybody running Warp with IBM's Credit Card Adapter II PCMCIA ethernet > card? I upgraded and the ethernet install disk bombs. Apparently IBM > changed pcmcia.sys from a DEVICE to a BASEDEV and the install program > doesn't like it. Yes, I have this very configuration running fine (TCP/IP 2.0 via the PCMCIA card *and* Warp's IAK via SLIP). The problem is that Warp handles PCMCIA a little differently -- i.e. provides more support for it -- so using some of the old stuff won't work. Migrating an old CONFIG.SYS seems to mess things up by not removing old drivers, etc. The same seems to be true for some sound drivers. > > The card is recognized by the TP, by Warp, but TCP/IP (and maybe LAPS) > doesn't see it. This is SOOOO frustrating having to go back to 14.4kbps! > It's so slow! :-) > > Anyone have any ideas what to do? I have attached my CONFIG.SYS as a second file -- if you don't have a MIME mail reader it should simply appear as text at the end of this message. It is considerably shortened, leaving out all but a few environment statements. The important thing are the driver statements and their order. Note that there is only one reference to the THINKPAD directory, everything else is taken from the Warp installation! > -- > John H. Kim > jokim@mit.edu > jokim@uni.uiuc.edu > (I backed up everything over the net before I installed Warp, and now I > can't restore it so no neat sig) I hope I was able to help you! If there's anything else I can do, let me know. Peter _____________________________________________________________________ Dr. Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 _____________________________________________________________________ Content-ID: <265_64_1_787675077> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Description: REM REM BASEDEV's REM BASEDEV=IBMKBD.SYS BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD REM BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD This is only for MCA machines BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD BASEDEV=FD8XX.ADD BASEDEV=PCMCIA.SYS BASEDEV=IBM2SS01.SYS REM REM DEVICE's REM DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\TESTCFG.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\DOS.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\PMDD.SYS DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\LANMSGDD.OS2 /I:C:\IBMCOM DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\PROTMAN.OS2 /I:C:\IBMCOM DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VEMM.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VXMS.SYS /UMB DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VDPMI.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VDPX.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VWIN.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VW32S.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\APM.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VAPM.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OS2CDROM.DMD /Q DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VCDROM.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\POINTDD.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\MOUSE.SYS DEVINFO=KBD,US,C:\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VPCMCIA.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\COM.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\AUTODRV2.SYS C:\OS2\AUTODRV2.INI DEVINFO=SCR,VGA,C:\OS2\BOOT\VIOTBL.DCP DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VSVGA.SYS REM DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\ADSHDD.SYS DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\SMVDD.SYS DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\IBMAUDIO\TPAUDDD2.SYS /N:TPAUD1$ DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\IBMAUDIO\VAUDIO.SYS DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\IBMAUDIO\SVAUDIO.SYS DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\IBMAUDIO\AUDTEST2.SYS /V=5 DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\CS4231.SYS N:BSAUD1$ DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\VCS4231.SYS BSAUD1$ DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\SSMDD.SYS DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\R0STUB.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\APPS\SASYNCDA.SYS DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\INET.SYS DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\IFNDIS.SYS DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\MACS\PCMNICCS.OS2 DEVICE=C:\TCPIP\BIN\VDOSTCP.VDD DEVICE=C:\TCPIP\BIN\VDOSTCP.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\APPS\SYSIOS2.SYS DEVICE=C:\IBMCPP\SYS\DDE4XTRA.SYS REM DEVICE=c:\usr\sys\aspitape.sys TAPE$2 2 S1 REM REM Installable File Systems REM IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:64 /CRECL:4 IFS=C:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS /Q IFS=C:\TCPIP\BIN\NFS200.IFS REM REM The following DEVICE statement **MUST** be last! REM DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMOS2.SYS REM REM RUN statements REM RUN=C:\OS2\CHKRES.EXE RUN=C:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NETBIND.EXE RUN=C:\IBMCOM\LANMSGEX.EXE RUN=C:\TCPIP\BIN\CNTRL.EXE RUN=C:\TCPIP\BIN\VDOSCTL.EXE REM REM Multimedia Environment REM SET MMBASE=C:\MMOS2; SET DSPPATH=C:\MMOS2\DSP; SET NCDEBUG=4000 REM REM TCP/IP Environment REM SET ETC=C:\TCPIP\ETC SET READIBM=C:\TCPIP\DOC SET HOSTNAME=tp755c SET DISPLAY=tp755c:0 SET XFILES=C:\TCPIP\X11 SET TZ=EST5EDT SET UNIX.UID=130 SET UNIX.GID=100 SET NFS.PERMISSION.BITS=770 SET NFS.PERMISSION.DBITS=770 SET LPR_SERVER=BaySys SET LPR_PRINTER=HPDeskJ1 SET USER=forster SET PASSWD=******** SET TELNET.PASSWORD.ID=******** From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:16:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12181 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 15:43:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10301; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 15:38:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 15:38:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10291; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 15:38:11 -0500 Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id MAA17888; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:38:10 -0800 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199412182038.MAA17888@netcom10.netcom.com> Subject: How do I set up multiple autoexec.bat's and config.sys's in PCDOS? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:38:10 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy! I know you can set up multiple config.sys's and autoexec.bat's in MSDOS. I ftped the ibm pcdos 6.3 from ibm, and it has support for multiple configurations. However, there is no documentation (as it was ftped). Could someone who has the manual for 6.3 please post how to set up mulltiple configurations. It's apparently not done in the same way that MSDOS does multiple configurations. Thanks. From ???@??? Mon Dec 19 00:16:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28827 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:33:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02911; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:38:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:38:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02896; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:38:07 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (get.hooked.net [199.2.134.2]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA19217 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:38:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199412190338.TAA19217@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:39:50 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: WIN95: appropriate? I'm running the win95 beta on my 'pad, and I've talked to a few others about a mailing list. What's the general feeling, should I set up a separate mailing list for win95 on thinkpad specific issues? Or is the win95: tag sufficient? I think they're appropriate here, many of the issues with win95 affect windows and NT users as well, and since many of you using win3.1 now, a sneak peek of the potential problems and fixes may be useful :) Mr. "Moderator" ? Whaddaya think? P.S. I choked my .forward last night, so I apologize if I've been bouncing to the list all day.. at least it was on a sunday :) ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:30:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18341 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 02:19:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15565; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 02:30:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 02:30:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15552; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 02:30:41 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Mon, 19 Dec 94 08:30 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rJcXy-0003f3C; Mon, 19 Dec 94 08:30 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 08:28:24 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: ADMIN: Re: WIN95: appropriate? X-Mailer: Jesse Montrose says: >What's the general feeling, should I set up a separate mailing list for >win95 on thinkpad specific issues? Or is the win95: tag sufficient? Separate mailing list?!? I guess it's courteous to ask, but ... Sometime in the next 7-12 months Windows 95 will become the number two or three graphical OS on the planet and I don't see how any computer user who's not living in a cave will be able to avoid it. That's not a statement of affection for Windows or MS, just a reflection on the way the ground shakes when Gates walks. As a sometime Win32 developer I have more than a mild curiosity about MS's new operating systems, but I can't escape the conclusion that (strategically) they ought to be a topic of broad general interest, even to the orneriest OS/2 diehard :-) So yes, keep it on the list. My two cents. [Editorial comment: Hey, does anyone else get the feeling we're getting a little *too* carried away lately about bandwidth hygiene? Surely we can't put every new thread up for vote on acceptability ... maybe we could all just loosen our collars a little and accept that this is a diverse user community, and that there is no such thing as a topic that's guaranteed to delight and interest *everyone*. Don't forget, it's supposed to be a great time of year for tolerance and understanding. Merry X and Happy H, don't drink & drive, I'm off to someplace mercifully computerless 'til ninety-five - Tim.] Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04560 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:56:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19820; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:58:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:58:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19805; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:58:24 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rJjPX-0004tfC; Mon, 19 Dec 94 08:50 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rJjPV-0002nqC; Mon, 19 Dec 94 08:50 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJjPU-0002wvC; Mon, 19 Dec 94 08:50 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: How do I set up multiple autoexec.bat's and config.sys's in PCDOS? To: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 08:49:59 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199412182038.MAA17888@netcom10.netcom.com> from "Derek Chan" at Dec 18, 94 12:38:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I know you can set up multiple config.sys's and autoexec.bat's in MSDOS. > > I ftped the ibm pcdos 6.3 from ibm, and it has support for multiple > configurations. However, there is no documentation (as it was ftped). > Could someone who has the manual for 6.3 please post how to set up > mulltiple configurations. It's apparently not done in the same way that > MSDOS does multiple configurations. It's the same as MSDOS. Also in the QEMM files I posted to this list last week, there is an example. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15835 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:48:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23777; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:47:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:47:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from europe.std.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23757; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:47:26 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA12021; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:47:15 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22091; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:47:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:47:27 -0500 From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) Message-Id: <199412191547.AA22091@world.std.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: WIN95: appropriate? Hi Jesse, Well there is one problem. Under the NDA I do not think there is many subjects that you could legally talk about. 73 Eric eac@world.std.com soon to be eac@shore.net From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02661 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:50:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27641; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:40:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:40:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27613; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:40:01 -0500 Received: from cessna.oes.amdahl.com by amdahl.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #49) id m0rJl7Q-0001oUC; Mon, 19 Dec 94 08:39 PST Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA12137; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 08:39:47 +0800 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 08:39:47 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9412191639.AA12137@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, dvchan@netcom.com Subject: Re: How do I set up multiple autoexec.bat's and config.sys's in PCDOS? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Multiple configurations in the config.sys and autoexec.bat are done the same way in MS-DOS and in PC-DOS 6.3. I know of know differences between them. At least I can say that what I had been doing under MS-DOS transfered without a hitch. Len Jacobson > From @amdahl.uts.amdahl.com:owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Dec 18 13:18 PST 1994 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 15:38:13 EST > From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) > Subject: How do I set up multiple autoexec.bat's and config.sys's in PCDOS? > To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:38:10 -0800 (PST) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Howdy! > > I know you can set up multiple config.sys's and autoexec.bat's in MSDOS. > > I ftped the ibm pcdos 6.3 from ibm, and it has support for multiple > configurations. However, there is no documentation (as it was ftped). > Could someone who has the manual for 6.3 please post how to set up > mulltiple configurations. It's apparently not done in the same way that > MSDOS does multiple configurations. > > Thanks. > From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18639 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:06:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01615; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:27:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:27:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01597; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:27:46 -0500 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.9/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA25336; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:27:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:27:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199412191727.JAA25336@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: mhgross@ix.netcom.com (Michael Gross) Subject: Fwd: WIN95: appropriate? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ---- Begin Forwarded Message +OK 1847 octets Return-Path: Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.9/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA19837; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:45:39 -0800 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02911; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:38:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:38:17 EST Errors-to: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02896; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:38:07 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (get.hooked.net [199.2.134.2]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA19217 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:38:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199412190338.TAA19217@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:39:50 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: WIN95: appropriate? I'm running the win95 beta on my 'pad, and I've talked to a few others about a mailing list. What's the general feeling, should I set up a separate mailing list for win95 on thinkpad specific issues? Or is the win95: tag sufficient? I think they're appropriate here, many of the issues with win95 affect windows and NT users as well, and since many of you using win3.1 now, a sneak peek of the potential problems and fixes may be useful :) Mr. "Moderator" ? Whaddaya think? P.S. I choked my .forward last night, so I apologize if I've been bouncing to the list all day.. at least it was on a sunday :) ________________________________________________________________________ ____ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume ---- End Forwarded Message Hi Jesse: 1) I think that Win95 will become a mainstream enough issue that it should be tagged to the main Thinkpad list and not become the subject of a new list. 2) On that note, by commiting to Win95 are you therefore unable to upgrade to PCDOS 7.0 which I understand is also in Beta? Thanks, Michael From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18802 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:07:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03617; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:59:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:59:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03575; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:58:47 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (get.hooked.net [199.2.134.2]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA13126 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:57:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199412191757.JAA13126@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:59:05 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: WIN95: appropriate? At 10:47 AM 12/19/94 -0500, Eric A Cottrell wrote: >Hi Jesse, > >Well there is one problem. Under the NDA I do not think there is many subjects >that you could legally talk about. We've been partially released from the NDA, and can talk about it, answer questions, etc. What we still can't do is *show* it to anybody. ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10947 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:41:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10787; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:37:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:37:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10777; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:37:35 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA08044; Mon, 19 Dec 94 12:36:55 MST Date: Mon, 19 Dec 94 12:36:55 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412191936.AA08044@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Thinkpad: IBM Internet-based support Note: For those not interested in OS/2, skip directly to item 2) below. To repeat part of a previous post, I've been having problems with Warp's "Comet Cursor" whereby it just quits working at random intervals. Copied below is IBM's response to the defect report I posted via the Internet. ____________________________________________________________________________ Karl, Below is the response received from the OS/2 Technical Support Staff on PMR 7x280. ---------------------------------------------------- This is a KNOWN PROBLEM, and we are working on it. One possible workaround is to remove (if you have it) the following line from the CONFIG.SYS file: . SET RESTARTOBJECTS=STARTUPFOLDERSONLY. If you need further help, call our support line and reference this pmr. ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks. OS/2 Defect Support, CIS ____________________________________________________________________________ Two things to note here: 1) Comet cursor really is sick. (Yes, I do have that line in my CONFIG.SYS). 2) IBM's Internet support works reasonably well. It took less than a week to receive a reply via email, and a follow-up has been promised once a solution is found. In my particular case, this works much better than placing a toll call to the OS/2 support line and then being placed on hold for who-knows-how-long. If there is any interest, I can post instructions for how to use this Internet-based support. Note that this mechanism works for other IBM software products (i.e., PC-DOS) as well - it is NOT limited to OS/2 support only. Merry Christmas, all! Regards, _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Compuserve: 73741,453 Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26568 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:09:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10573; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:14:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:14:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from europe.std.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10563; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:14:43 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA28740; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:14:38 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16314; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:14:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:14:51 -0500 From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) Message-Id: <199412200314.AA16314@world.std.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: WIN95: appropriate? If you been partially released from the NDA, can you discuss how good it runs compared to WIN31? Of course that is not always valid to compare betas as some betas are faster than the released code. You cannot always trust a feature in the beta to be in the release and it seem that there has been some added features recently unveiled. In light of past experience I get a chuckle over heavy discussions about how great WIN95 is. It may be but I rather wait until it is released. My personal opinion is to keep it on the list and put an WIN95: in front. I would think that there would be an Win95 mailing list already. 73 Eric eac@world.std.com soon to be eac@shore.net From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27569 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:18:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10834; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:18:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:18:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from europe.std.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10824; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:18:40 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id WAA28959; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:17:22 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17306; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:17:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:17:35 -0500 From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) Message-Id: <199412200317.AA17306@world.std.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Subject: Re: Thinkpad: IBM Internet-based support Hello Karl, I am interseted in ibm internet support. Maybe a post to the thinkpad WWW page or ftp site? 73 Eric eac@world.std.com soon to be eac@shore.net From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28575 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:26:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11141; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:23:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:23:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11131; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:23:42 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA02148 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 19:23:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199412200323.TAA02148@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 19:25:47 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: WIN95: telnet client and comm package? Okay, anyone find a good telnet client and comm package on a thinkpad, in win95? For telnet, I'm using trumpet telnet, but it's pretty primitive (doesn't feed all characters through! (no ', (, etc)). I tried qvt, but it turns on the numlock evertime I switch to the screen :) For comm, I'm struggling through hyperterm, procomm2 bombs miserably (my old comm package). ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29971 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:35:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12210; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:41:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:41:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12198; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:41:49 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA07706 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 19:41:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199412200341.TAA07706@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 19:43:55 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: WIN95: appropriate? At 10:14 PM 12/19/94 -0500, Eric A Cottrell wrote: >If you been partially released from the NDA, can you discuss how good it runs >compared to WIN31? Well, I'm still running it :) I have a 755cs with 12meg, and I was constantly running out of resources in win31. I do a lot of www work, and need to have netscape, photoshop, editors, etc, open at once, and just being rid of that old win31 nemesis would have been enough for me. >Of course that is not always valid to compare betas as some >betas are faster than the released code. You cannot always trust a feature >in the beta to be in the release and it seem that there has been some added >features recently unveiled. I entered the beta late, but I understand that the previous beta was faster. Don't know how much.. I haven't noticed much of a speed difference between win95 and win31. >In light of past experience I get a chuckle over heavy discussions about how >great WIN95 is. It may be but I rather wait until it is released. I'm pleased with it, I love the interface, it works great, there are some bugs, and I do still crash sometimes, but it handles them pretty well, and I certainly feel like I've upgraded.. >My personal opinion is to keep it on the list and put an WIN95: in front. >I would think that there would be an Win95 mailing list already. That seems to be the general consensus. ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23823 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 10:55:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00223; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 11:02:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 11:02:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00213; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 11:02:12 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA08204; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:01:31 MST Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:01:31 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412201601.AA08204@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Thinkpad: Internet-based support (how-to) Since there doesn't seem to be any violent opposition, I'm going to go ahead with the instructions for how to use IBM's Internet-based technical support... Please note that this support is available to U.S. customers only. 1) Obtain a Defect Report Form (problm.txt) from the following ftp site: ftp software.watson.ibm.com \pub\os2\info\problm.txt 2) Fill out the Defect Report Form. This is very self-explanatory, with the following exception: If you would like IBM to respond to your report via email, include your email address next to your name. Because support is normally handled electronically through Compuserve mail, it is very important to include your email address in order to circumvent this. 3) Once completed, email the Defect Report Form to one of the following: DOS or OS/2 problems: 76711.610@compuserve.com All other products: 76711.611@compuserve.com 4) In about a week, you should receive one of the responses described in the problm.txt file. This will include the assignment of a PMR number where applicable. 5) Buy your wife/girlfriend (or husband/boyfriend as the case may be) something nice with the money you save on toll calls for tech support. That's it! _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Compuserve: 73741,453 Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13328 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:05:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01433; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:26:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:26:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01423; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:26:47 -0500 Received: from toddspc.caenn.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA187146004; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 17:26:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199412202326.AA187146004@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 17:26:36 -0600 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: Re: WIN95: telnet client and comm package? >Okay, anyone find a good telnet client and comm package on a thinkpad, in win95? > >For telnet, I'm using trumpet telnet, but it's pretty primitive (doesn't >feed all characters through! (no ', (, etc)). I tried qvt, but it turns on >the numlock evertime I switch to the screen :) i don't actively use qvt anymore (use SuperTCP from Frontier), but it used to be that you could add the following line to your qvtnet.ini file: nl_mode=unlock this tells (told?) qvt not to mess around with numlock & thus makes it very useable on the thinkpad keyboard. enjoy, Todd =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Todd Tannenbaum email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Director of the Model Advanced Facility voice phone: (608) 262-3118 Computuer-Aided Engineering Center FAX phone: (608) 265-4546 University of Wisconsin-Madison From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12999 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:01:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13956; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:20:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:20:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13925; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:20:02 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA06168; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:19:59 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id TAA03161; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:19:57 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412210319.TAA03161@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: How do I set up multiple autoexec.bat's and config.sys's in PCDOS? To: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:19:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199412182038.MAA17888@netcom10.netcom.com> from "Derek Chan" at Dec 18, 94 12:38:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I know you can set up multiple config.sys's and autoexec.bat's in MSDOS. > > I ftped the ibm pcdos 6.3 from ibm, and it has support for multiple > configurations. However, there is no documentation (as it was ftped). > Could someone who has the manual for 6.3 please post how to set up > mulltiple configurations. It's apparently not done in the same way that > MSDOS does multiple configurations. Actually its done in exactly the same way. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14905 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:15:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14105; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:22:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:22:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14094; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:22:30 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA06408; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:22:22 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id TAA03373; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:22:19 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412210322.TAA03373@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: WIN95: appropriate? To: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:22:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199412190338.TAA19217@get.hooked.net> from "jesse montrose" at Dec 18, 94 07:39:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm running the win95 beta on my 'pad, and I've talked to a few others about > a mailing list. > > What's the general feeling, should I set up a separate mailing list for > win95 on thinkpad specific issues? Or is the win95: tag sufficient? I think it would be fine, personally. > I think they're appropriate here, many of the issues with win95 affect > windows and NT users as well, and since many of you using win3.1 now, a > sneak peek of the potential problems and fixes may be useful :) > > Mr. "Moderator" ? Whaddaya think? Though I know there are a lot of OS/2 users on this TP list, I still think it is safe to say that Windows is the dominant working environment for most of us. Based on that, I would presume Win95 issues would be at *least* as pertinent as the OS/2 ones. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14972 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:16:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14138; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:24:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:24:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14125; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:24:05 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA06466; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:24:03 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id TAA03571; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:24:01 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412210324.TAA03571@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: WIN95: appropriate? To: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:24:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199412191547.AA22091@world.std.com> from "Eric A Cottrell" at Dec 19, 94 10:47:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Well there is one problem. Under the NDA I do not think there is many subjec > that you could legally talk about. So let MS sue 'im.... ;) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16314 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:27:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15570; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:49:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:48:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15559; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:48:57 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA19358 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:48:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199412210348.TAA19358@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:51:12 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: WIN95: are there any other beta testers on the list? Or am I wasting my time posting about it.. :) I have posted in invite on the MSN beta forum, so a few may trickle in.. ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18303 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:44:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16446; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:04:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:04:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16435; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:04:22 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA22620 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:04:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199412210404.UAA22620@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:06:36 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: WIN: telnet client Okay, I found it.. an EXCELLENT, robust, clean, free winsock telnet client.. It's called EWAN, Emulator Without A good Name :) Not fancy, but I've tried several, and this one is the best IMNSHO.. I'm in no way connected with the author :) >From the help file: The latest version should be available 24hrs a day, 7 days a week from: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zander/ewan.html If you like WWW tp.lysator.liu.se /pub/msdos/windows If you prefer FTP ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18633 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:48:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16434; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:04:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:04:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16423; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:04:19 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA22607 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:04:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199412210404.UAA22607@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:06:34 -0800 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: WIN95/CHAT: appropriate? >> Well there is one problem. Under the NDA I do not think there is many subjec >> that you could legally talk about. > > So let MS sue 'im.... ;) ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00872 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:02:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23946; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23936; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:46 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA18756 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:38 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs18.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:01 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Patrick To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 810 Meg HD and Linux We just received our new 810 Meg hard drive from Sigma Data but I can't seem to get Linux to recognize it (it complains about the disk having more than 16 cylinders). I ran the flash BIOS upgrade program according to the directions that came with the disk. But still, Linux refuses to recognize the disk. Has anyone successfully installed Linux on a ThinkPad with the 810 Meg disk? Thanks, Robert Patrick From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17638 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:18:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01731; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:12:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:12:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from transfer.stratus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01715; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:12:20 -0500 Received: from cayuga.isis.stratus.com (cayuga.isis.stratus.com [198.97.41.54]) by transfer.stratus.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20833; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:12:11 -0500 Received: from duvel.isis.stratus.com by cayuga.isis.stratus.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-Isis-1.0) id AA29217; Wed, 21 Dec 94 10:12:10 EST From: glade@isis.com (Brad Glade) Received: by duvel.isis.stratus.com (4.1) id AA14772; Wed, 21 Dec 94 10:12:03 EST Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 10:12:03 EST Message-Id: <9412211512.AA14772@duvel.isis.stratus.com> To: rp2y+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: (message from Robert Patrick on Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:27:01 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: 810 Meg HD and Linux robert> We just received our new 810 Meg hard drive from Sigma Data robert> but I can't seem to get Linux to recognize it (it complains robert> about the disk having more than 16 cylinders). robert> I ran the flash BIOS upgrade program according to the robert> directions that came with the disk. But still, Linux refuses robert> to recognize the disk. Has anyone successfully installed robert> Linux on a ThinkPad with the 810 Meg disk? Sounds like you and I are doing exactly the same thing; I just got my Sigma drive too and ran into the same problem. Here's the geometry information for this drive that let me get beyond this step (I'm just now progressing to the next step). # cylinders: 1571 # heads: 16 # sectors: 63 At the boot: prompt enter "ramdisk hd=1571,16,63" and you'll avoid the complaint. Cheers, -Brad. From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03530 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:46:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21005; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:17:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:17:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from MERLIN.COBB.ZIFF.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20995; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:17:01 -0500 From: Received: from MERLIN.COBB.ZIFF.COM by MERLIN.COBB.ZIFF.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4116) id <01HKWP5V9LE88WW26O@MERLIN.COBB.ZIFF.COM>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:15:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:15:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: TrackPointer To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HKWP5VB79E8WW26O@MERLIN.COBB.ZIFF.COM> X-Vms-To: IN%"TP750@CS.UTK.EDU" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have discovered a good way to improve the use of my TrackPointers. If you do not have the TrackPoint III. A good way to increase control of your TrackPointer is to apply SortKWik on the cap. This is a brand name for fingertip moistener that bank tellers use when counting money, etc. I have been using it for several months and it works great. When the cap starts getting alittle slick, I just apply more SortKWik directly to the cap. Each application last a couple of weeks. I originally used it on my fingers but found applying directly to the cap worked better. Ron Shaw Keep on Tracking :) From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04513 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:56:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01092; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:22:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:22:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01082; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:22:33 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA00640 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:22:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199412212122.NAA00640@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:25:00 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: CHAT: that second screen control Has anyone found it to be the least bit useful? :) I mean the lower sliding lever that doesn't affect the screen much.. Just wondering.. ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23701 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:24:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07753; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:54:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:54:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07743; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:54:42 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA09437; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:54:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:54:32 -0600 (CST) From: John Kim Subject: Not CHAT: Re: CHAT: that second screen control To: jesse montrose Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199412212122.NAA00640@get.hooked.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, jesse montrose wrote: > Has anyone found it to be the least bit useful? :) > > I mean the lower sliding lever that doesn't affect the screen much.. > > Just wondering.. This should be in the FAQ. Go to a DOS prompt and type: PS2 BR N And it should give the lower bar the full brightness range it has when plugged int AC power. To put it back into "economy" mode, type: PS2 BR E For some reason (probably magazine battery rundown tests) IBM decided to make the economy mode the default. John "running off a modem while on vacation" Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28454 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:00:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09262; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:11:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:11:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09252; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:11:21 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA09732; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:11:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:11:10 -0600 (CST) From: John Kim Subject: OS2: Warp and TP750 mono To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've had sporadic problems with Warp and I'm curious about other people's experiences. My hardware is a TP750 mono with a 340MB HD and 12MB of RAM. I can't get the video to work right between the screen and external monitor. If I boot up with the screen, then switch to an external monitor, half the SVGA display (640x480x256) is missing (blank). If I boot up with an external monitor and switch to the screen, I get a scrambled screen (like someone cut my screen into 8 horizontal sections and glued them back together in the wrong order). Flipping a DOS Windowed session to full screen corrupts the display. 2/3rds of the way down, I get a section of the top of the screen repeated over and over. The problem doesn't happen with a DOS Full screen session flipped to a Windowed session. Possibly related, mode 80,30 doesn't work in OS/2 full screen sessions anymore. It gives me 30 lines, but doesn't fill the LCD. I somehow got this working (along with the DOS boxes) in one of my reinstalls but I've been unable to recreate it. It works fine in VGA as well but now with SVGA. My swapper.dat won't stay above the minimum size. I have in my config.sys SWAPPATH=E:\ 2048 16384 Where E: is a 91MB partition containing OS/2, TCPIP, and Thinkpad stuff (about 35MB free w/o swapper.dat). Upon bootup, swapper.dat is 16MB, but after some use it tends to shrink below the minimum 16384k. I've seen it at 11MB, and even 5MB. I was gonna install the latest FLASH BIOS but the copy I got was corrupt so I'm gonna download it again (10 minutes at 14.4kbps versus 5 seconds over ethernet - *sigh* :-). Does anyone know if that might fix the problems? Otherwise, I'm very impressed with Warp - much faster than the previous versions. Oh, I have the DevCon version which means I don't have a manual. If there are specific instructions for the Thinkpads given in the manual, I'd like to know. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01311 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:29:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12946; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:24:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:24:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12936; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:23:59 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id TAA29021; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:25:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Randal Whittle Cc: jesse montrose , TP Subject: WIN95: ship date In-Reply-To: <199412210322.TAA03373@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > Based on that, I would presume Win95 issues would be at *least* > as pertinent as the OS/2 ones. and speaking which, has everyone seen the announcement that Win95 is now Win95Q3? August my ass.... august 31, maybe..... From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05015 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 20:13:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14297; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:50:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:50:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14281; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:50:07 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA16713 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:50:03 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA38287; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:49:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:49:54 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Hardware Maintenance Manual for Thinkpads Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I received my copy of the Thinkpad Hardware Maintenance Manual from IBM today. One thing I think we should add to the FAQ is how to reset the Power on Password. The Hardware Maintenance Manual shows how to do it for all Thinkpad models. It also says that there is no way to reset the Privileged Access Password (a separate password for just the configuration menus). We could also add a listing of the FRU Part Numbers for replacement parts. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08252 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 20:45:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00756; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:18:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:18:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00735; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:17:59 -0500 Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id NAA09879; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:17:49 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:17:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: TrackPointer To: RON@MERLIN.COBB.ZIFF.COM Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <01HKWP5VB79E8WW26O@MERLIN.COBB.ZIFF.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Great idea, especially for all us folks with greasy fingers. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Wed, 21 Dec 1994 RON@MERLIN.COBB.ZIFF.COM wrote: > > I have discovered a good way to improve the use of my TrackPointers. > > If you do not have the TrackPoint III. A good way to increase control of > your TrackPointer is to apply SortKWik on the cap. This is a brand name > for fingertip moistener that bank tellers use when counting money, etc. > > I have been using it for several months and it works great. When the cap > starts getting alittle slick, I just apply more SortKWik directly to the cap. > Each application last a couple of weeks. I originally used it on my fingers > but found applying directly to the cap worked better. > > > Ron Shaw > Keep on Tracking :) > > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14679 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:46:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21431; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:50:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:50:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21404; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:50:12 -0500 Received: from mercury.mcs.com (root@Mercury.mcs.com [192.160.127.80]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA09222 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 20:50:09 -0600 Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:50 CST Received: by falkor.chi.il.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:48:39 CST for tp750@cs.utk.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Any bare 810 drives out there? From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Message-Id: <86RPXc1w165w@falkor.chi.il.us> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:45:18 CST Organization: DML, Inc., Buffalo Grove, IL I need more disk space. (Doesn't everybody?) I can spend about $2K and buy the 810Meg IBM drive in an IBM plastic box. I can spend about $1.4K and buy the 810Meg IBM drive in a Sigma Data plastic box. I'm hoping to be able to spend <$800 and buy the 810Meg IBM drive in a cardboard box with some postage on the outside. Does anyone know where I can buy the 810Meg "OEM" drive either in the Chicago or Milwaukee area or by "mail order"? Another idea -- For a while, there was talk on this mailing list about some people banding together to have a plastic box built. Is there any progress on that front? Thanks! Ron. From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14790 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:47:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21432; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:50:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:50:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21405; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:50:12 -0500 Received: from mercury.mcs.com (root@Mercury.mcs.com [192.160.127.80]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA09218 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 20:50:07 -0600 Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:50 CST Received: by falkor.chi.il.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:34:27 CST for whittle@chaph.usc.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: WIN95: appropriate? From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:33:27 CST In-Reply-To: <199412210322.TAA03373@aludra.usc.edu> Organization: DML, Inc., Buffalo Grove, IL Of course, OS/2 Warp is actually shipping, while Windows 96 is still slipping its schedule. Perhaps Windows 96 issues would be more appropriate at some point closer to its being real? Ron. From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18575 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:13:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23006; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:18:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:18:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22856; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:16:21 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA16094 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:56:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199412220256.SAA16094@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:58:52 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: WIN95: ship date >On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> Based on that, I would presume Win95 issues would be at *least* >> as pertinent as the OS/2 ones. > >and speaking which, has everyone seen the announcement that Win95 is now >Win95Q3? August my ass.... august 31, maybe..... The latest wired has a phony news story from 2001 or something, reporting that gates announced hostile takeovers of all the nasdaq/nyse companies, just before he was sworn in as president. It mentioned something about ms still trying to cover up the win95 debacle :) ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26992 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:55:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28648; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:50:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:50:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28627; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:50:19 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA13742; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:50:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:50:15 -0600 (CST) From: John Kim Subject: Re: OS2: Warp and TP750 mono To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Almost forgot. Warp keeps insisting on setting my TP volume to the maximum. I can lower it, but at random times (I hear a click over the speaker) it puts it back up to max. Also, playing any MMPM sounds causes a click before and after the sound. -- John "Still trying to get his POP client running over a modem" Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27085 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:57:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18972; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:08:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:08:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18957; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:08:36 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA20642 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:08:27 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA40414; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:08:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:08:17 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New IBM Infrared PCMCIA Card Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Options by IBM: Communications Products Announced on December 20, 1994 PRODUCT Announcement 194-436 Three new Serial Infrared adapters for PCMCIA, ISA, and Micro Channel(R)-based computers complement the Options by IBM family of wireless products. Each adapter supports the new IrDA (Infrared Data Association) standard that enables short-range, point-to-point wireless interconnection of computers and peripherals without cabling. The adapters create invisible links between computers and computer peripherals equipped with similar technology. Instead of physical attachment by means of cables attached to a computer's serial or parallel port, these adapters make a quick and easy connection through infrared light. The technology is simple -- in much the same way a remote control sends signals to a TV, VCR, or stereo, this adapter uses line-of-sight infrared light to transmit data. These products consist of two main components, an adapter card and an infrared transceiver module, which is tethered to the adapter. Infrared light is a reliable, safe medium that moves data between computers using a special protocol for data integrity. These adapters operate in a PC DOS Windows+ or Win-OS/2(R)(1) environment and provide connectivity to notebook computers, Personal Digital Assistants (PDAs), and other peripherals with IrDA Serial Infrared capabilities. Communications software from PUMA Technology is included with each adapter. The Serial Infrared adapters can be configured to operate in three modes or protocols; this makes them compatible with Hewlett-Packard's Serial Infrared (HP**-SIR**) interfaces and with SHARP**'s Amplitude Shift Key (ASK**) protocol. In addition, the adapters allow your computer to communicate with the new ThinkPad(R) 755CE and 755CD with built-in infrared operating up to 1.152 Mbits/sec. Single Part Unit Description Number Price Serial Infrared Adapter for PCMCIA Computers(2) 08H3656 $250 Serial Infrared Adapter for ISA Computers(2) 08H3654 230 Serial Infrared Adapter for Micro Channel Computers(2) 08H3655 250 Availability Date: December 20, 1994 (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation (1) Win-OS/2 is supported for ISA and Micro Channel adapters only; PCMCIA support is not available under Win-OS/2. ** Product or company name is a trademark or registered trademark of its respective holder. (2) These devices are not approved by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). They are not, and may not be offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased until the approval of the FCC has been obtained. FCC Class B Certification is pending. (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation IN BRIEF . . . +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | o Advanced-function, multi-speed infrared products for: | | | | - PCMCIA | | - ISA | | - Micro Channel | | | | o Compliance with the new IrDA standard | | | | o Advanced speed of 1.152 Mb/sec | | | | o Wireless communication with IBM's new line of ThinkPad 755CE | | and 755CD mobile computers with built-in infrared | | | | o Bundled with TranXit** communications software | | | | o Ideal for creating personal connections to other computers or | | peripherals where cabling is impossible or impractical | | | | o Flexible location or positioning of system-to-system | | communications | | | | o Universal exchange of data between industry standard infrared | | peripherals | | | | Systems supported: | | | | o PCMCIA Adapter: ThinkPad, PS/2(R) E | | | | o ISA Adapter: PS/1(R), ValuePoint(TM), PC 700 Series | | | | o Micro Channel Adapter: PS/2, PC 700 Series | | | | Technical support: | | | | o Call the HelpCenter(R) (800-426-7299) | | or | | o Request technical information via IBM Faxback (800-426-3395) | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ SERIAL INFRARED ADAPTER FOR PCMCIA COMPUTERS (08H3656) The Serial Infrared Adapter for PCMCIA Computers complies with the new IrDA standard. IrDA has over 65 member companies including IBM, Apple**, AST**, AT&T**, Compaq**, DEC**, Epson**, Fujitsu**, Microsoft**, Motorola**, Northern Telecom**, and Olivetti**. IBM was an active participant in various working groups to define this common industry standard for infrared communications. In addition, the Serial Infrared adapter supports a high-speed mode at 1.152 Mbits/sec developed by IBM and is currently being proposed for inclusion in the IrDA specification. Product Positioning: The Serial Infrared adapter is not to be confused with IBM's family of Infrared Wireless LAN adapters. The Infrared LAN adapters are higher function devices operating with a LAN network operating system infrastructure. This allows workgroups to share data and resources rather than the simple, short-range, point-to point connection supported by the Serial Infrared adapter. Each product uses infrared light to transmit data; however, the Infrared LAN adapters use a higher powered diffuse light rather than low-power, short-range, directed light. Due to the differences in protocols and light transmission techniques, the Infrared LAN adapter cannot communicate with the Serial Infrared adapters. Serial Infrared wireless connectivity has the following advantages: o Easy coexistence of different computing platforms using an industry standard data exchange protocol o Simpler, lower function, lower cost than Infrared LAN or RF LAN connections o Reduced requirements for cabling o Use of untethered portable computers for mobile, on-the-spot data inquiry, capture, and processing o Compatibility with other manufacturers' computers and industry standard protocols Availability Date: December 20, 1994 Technical Information Hardware: The Serial Infrared product consists of two main components: a type II PCMCIA adapter card and an infrared transceiver module, which is tethered to the adapter. The infrared transceiver attaches to the adapter with a miniature 15-pin in-line connector; the cable length is 1 m (3.2 ft). Technology: The technology is simple: in much the same way a remote control sends signals to a TV, VCR, or stereo, this adapter uses line-of-sight infrared light to transmit data. Infrared light is a reliable, safe medium that moves data between computers using a special protocol for data integrity. Protocols and Data Rates: The adapter complies with the IrDA protocol and is configurable to the following speeds: o Compatibility with the new ThinkPad 755CE and 755CD operating up to 1.152 Mbits/sec o IrDA -- This standard supports data transfers from 9600 bits/sec up to 115.2 kbits/sec o HP-SIR -- This standard supports data transfers from 2400 bits/sec up to 115.2 kbits/sec o SHARP ASK -- This standard supports data transfers at 9600 bits/sec and 19.2 kbps Coverage/Range: The PCMCIA adapter transmits light in a direct beam and provides line-of-sight communications up to 3 m (9.6 ft). The light beam expands out in a 30 degree cone (angular relationship between the transmitter and receiver) as it is emitted from the transceiver. System Slot: The adapter requires one type II PCMCIA slot and uses a single COM port, (COM 2, 3, or 4) for IrDA, HP-SIR, and SHARP modes of operation. The 1.152 Mbits/sec mode uses a shared RAM interface. Card and socket services provide easy configuration of the COM port, IRQ settings, and memory location settings. PCMCIA Power Consumption: o 325 mW idle o 450 mW receive o 500 mW transmit Operation in Windows Environments: The Serial Infrared adapter comes with a communication software program called TranXit by PUMA Technologies. This program operates in a PC DOS Windows 3.1 environment and allows for the exchange of data between other computers enabled with IrDA-compatible infrared transceivers. The TranXit software: o Synchronizes drives and directories on two computers with the click of the mouse o Performs file and directory functions remotely with an infrared link o Installs itself remotely on desktop and notebook computers from the host computer without requiring a diskette o Installs a comprehensive online Help system o Runs in the background while other applications are in use; ideal for large file transfers or file synchronizations Since the ThinkPad Model 755CE or 755CD has built-in Serial Infrared capability and is preinstalled with the TranXit communications software, the PCMCIA adapter is ideal for enabling wireless communications between other computers when enabled with PCMCIA slots and the new ThinkPad 755CE and 755CD. Performance Specifications: The Serial Infrared PCMCIA Adapter operates in three modes and is compatible with: o The new ThinkPad 755CE or 755CD operating up to 1.152 Mbits/sec o SHARP ASK computers operating at 9600 bits/sec o HP-SIR computers operating from 2400 bits/sec to 115.2 kbits/sec Physical Specifications: o Serial PCMCIA Infrared Adapter: - Height: 5 mm (.19 in.) - Width: 54 mm (2.1 in.) - Depth: 86 mm (3.3 in.) - Weight: 30 g (1.1 oz) o Wireless Infrared Transceiver - Height: 25 mm (1.0 in.) - Width: 61 mm (2.4 in.) - Depth: 58 mm (2.3 in.) - Weight: 80 g (2.8 oz) o Cable Length: 1 m (3.2 ft) Operating Environment: o Temperature: 0(degs)C to 55(degs)C (32(degs)F to 131(degs)F) o Relative humidity: 0% to 95% Agency Approvals: o This device has not been approved by the FCC. This device is not, and may not be offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased until the approval of the FCC has been obtained. o FCC Class B Certification is pending. Original Country of Origin: Canada Note: This may vary through the life of the product. Hardware Requirements -- IBM Systems: The Serial Infrared Adapter for PCMCIA Computers (#4838, 08H3656) is supported on the following IBM platforms/models: Machine Description Type ThinkPad 350 2618 500 2603 710 2523 720 9552 750 9545 755 9545 PS/2 E 9533 The following PCMCIA Options by IBM adapters are supported: o 67G5055: 2-Slot PCMCIA for Micro Channel o 72G0485: 4-Slot PCMCIA for ISA o 81G4256: 2-Slot Front Access PCMCIA Adapter -- Micro Channel o 81G4246: 2-Slot Front Access PCMCIA Adapter for ISA Software Requirements: o PUMA Technologies TranXit communications software (included with each adapter) o IBM DOS 5.0, or later o PC DOS 6.1, or later o Microsoft Windows 3.1, or later o 2.5MB of free disk space for full installation o 4MB of RAM Compatibility: o This device is designed to be compatible with all 80386 and 80486 personal computers (IBM and non-IBM) with type II or type III PCMCIA release 2.0 compliant slots and card and socket services version 2.01. o This device is designed to be compliant with the IrDA IR Data Link specification version 1.0. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: 20 minutes Packaging: One box Shipment Group o Serial Infrared PCMCIA Adapter o Serial Infrared Transceiver o 3.5-inch program diskette o User's Guide o Warranty information o TranXit Quick Reference Guide An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (G83G-9902), and Specification Sheet (G221-4274) are available in support of this product. Security, Auditability, and Control This product uses the security and auditability features of host hardware, software, and/or application software. Terms and Conditions Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: Three years Warranty Service: Customer Carry-in Exchange (CCE) Customer Setup: Yes All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information: During the warranty period, technical support is available (800-426-7299) 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for answering any questions about your new IBM option. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. Charges Single Part Unit Description Number Price* PCMCIA Adapter 08H3656 $250 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28404 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:12:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29074; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:55:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:55:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29059; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:55:27 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA13777; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:55:24 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:55:23 -0600 (CST) From: John Kim Subject: Re: WIN95: appropriate? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Ron Heiby wrote: > Of course, OS/2 Warp is actually shipping, while Windows 96 is still > slipping its schedule. Perhaps Windows 96 issues would be more > appropriate at some point closer to its being real? Ron. As long as people keep marking the subjects like we're doing, I don't have a problem with discussion of a beta OS, er, Operating Environment. From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29496 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:27:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01172; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:25:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:25:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01153; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:25:46 -0500 Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id VAA24824; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:25:25 -0800 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199412220525.VAA24824@netcom9.netcom.com> Subject: Re: WIN95: appropriate? To: jokim@uni.uiuc.edu (John Kim) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:25:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: from "John Kim" at Dec 21, 94 10:55:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Ron Heiby wrote: > > > Of course, OS/2 Warp is actually shipping, while Windows 96 is still > > slipping its schedule. Perhaps Windows 96 issues would be more > > appropriate at some point closer to its being real? Ron. > > As long as people keep marking the subjects like we're doing, I don't > have a problem with discussion of a beta OS, er, Operating Environment. > Hey, I think it's time for a thinkpad.new.group... What do you guys think? Any input? I think that this mailing list is getting substantially big now. After all, the IBM thinkpad series is the second most common notebook line (next to the apple powerbook series) from a manufacturer. From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04925 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 01:54:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28133; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:44:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:44:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28122; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:44:44 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id XAA08295; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:47:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:47:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Ron Heiby Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Any bare 810 drives out there? In-Reply-To: <86RPXc1w165w@falkor.chi.il.us> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Ron Heiby wrote: > Does anyone know where I can buy the 810Meg "OEM" drive either in the > Chicago or Milwaukee area or by "mail order"? >From comp.sys.notebooks, I got two reccomendations on this isue, though I have confirmed neither: Portable Computer Support 713-565-5078 Eagle Hi Tech 303-651-7919 From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06355 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 02:25:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06906; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 02:24:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 02:24:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06891; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 02:24:41 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA04228; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:24:32 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id XAA21853; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:24:30 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412220724.XAA21853@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: WIN95: ship date To: dwhite@shadow.net (Donald A. Whiteside) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:24:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Donald A. Whiteside" at Dec 21, 94 07:25:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > Based on that, I would presume Win95 issues would be at *least* > > as pertinent as the OS/2 ones. > > and speaking which, has everyone seen the announcement that Win95 is now > Win95Q3? August my ass.... august 31, maybe..... I predicted nearly 18 months ago that the 4Q '94 projection dates were way too early--I suggested late 2nd quarter 1995. Looks like I may have been a little too favorable. :) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06917 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 02:39:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07434; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 02:32:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 02:32:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07424; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 02:32:32 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA04404 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:32:30 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id XAA22155 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:32:28 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412220732.XAA22155@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: PCMCIA Modems--28.8K info? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:32:28 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just looking in a catalog that came a few days ago and noticed that a lot of mfgrs. now have 28.8K PCMCIA modems for sale (either that, or the catalog is jumping the gun). They all said "V.34", so I presume they are V.34 only and no V.FC (too bad--I still have some 28.8K connections--especially the one here at USC--that are V.FC and not V.34). I leaned toward the MHz long ago because I like/want the convenience of the "XJack" and everyone here liked either the MHz or the AT&T with their ThinkPads. I now see that there are a *lot* of other Mfgrs. that appear to have licensed the XJack-type design. So two questions: Anyone know where I can get a MHz XJack 28.8K PCMCIA modem for a good price? and (2) are there any other brands anyone recommends that are cheaper and also use the XJack-type design? Phone numbers for companies would be appreciated, along with price (if known). ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:31:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08739 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 03:34:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16810; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 03:53:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 03:53:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16800; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 03:53:41 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (get.hooked.net [199.2.134.2]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA15171 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:53:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199412220853.AAA15171@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:56:16 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: ADMIN: thinkpad usenet group >Hey, I think it's time for a thinkpad.new.group... What do you guys think? >Any input? I think that this mailing list is getting substantially big >now. After all, the IBM thinkpad series is the second most common >notebook line (next to the apple powerbook series) from a manufacturer. I probably wouldn't read it, usenet is way down my list of priorities. I generally just go there to skim. ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:32:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05120 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:11:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12562; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:31:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:31:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from transfer.stratus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12552; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:31:19 -0500 Received: from cayuga.isis.stratus.com (cayuga.isis.stratus.com [198.97.41.54]) by transfer.stratus.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01348 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:31:16 -0500 Received: from duvel.isis.stratus.com by cayuga.isis.stratus.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-Isis-1.0) id AA13103; Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:31:15 EST From: glade@isis.com (Brad Glade) Received: by duvel.isis.stratus.com (4.1) id AA19714; Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:31:14 EST Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:31:14 EST Message-Id: <9412221431.AA19714@duvel.isis.stratus.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: OS2: LINUX: Warp + Linux + 810MB drive I'd like to echo Robert Patricks request for info. from people who have been successful at installing Linux on their 810MB drives. After resolving the disk geometry problem by manually telling Linux the drive geometry (boot: ramdisk hd=1571,16,63) I was able to proceed with the installation and noticed some strange results from Linux's fdisk. The linux fdisk seemed to get confused by the partitions that I had laid out when I installed Warp. Here's the initial configuration I tried: Type Partition Purpose Size P 1 OS/2 Boot Mgr 1 MB P 2 OS/2 Warp 269 MB P 3 Linux (/) 100 MB E 4 Extended partition L 5 Linux swap 20 MB L 6 Linux (/usr) 100 MB L 7 Linux (/home) 280 MB Type: (P = Primary, E - Extended, L - Logical) Linux fdisk complained about all of the non-logical partitions, a typicial complaint looked like: Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 379 757 1568 409248 5 Extended Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?) phys(783,0,1) logical(756,0,1) Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings phys(783,31,63) logical(1567,15,63) Partition 1 does not end on a cylinder boundary phys(783,31,63) should be (783,15,63) There were similar complaints for partitions 2, 3, and 4. Curiously it also seemed to get the partition numbering confused. What it thought of as partition 1 didn't correspond well at all to what I set up for the Boot Mgr. In fact it labelled /dev/hda3 as the partition for OS/2 Boot Mgr. On the other hand the info. for the logical drives looked fine. I suspected that perhaps the OS/2 fdisk was not careful about putting partitions on cylinder boundaries (although this would seem strange). OS2 (and DOS) fdisk don't give nearly the control (or feedback) over cylinder layout as does the linux fdisk. Throwing caution to the wind I decided to go ahead with the install anyway after tagging the Linux partitions with Linux swap and Linux native as appropriate and verifying that OS/2 was still looking at the partitions correctly. The rest of the install went quite well (I did get complaints about there being more than 1023 cylinders and that some software might not deal with this well). There didn't seem to be any problems actually writing to the drive beyond the 1023rd cylinder. On reboot however, I was not able to get either the OS/2 Boot Manager or the boot disk to properly find the boot block. I had originally NOT done a DOS format of the Linux partitions and OS/2 Boot Manager seemed to want that done. Furthermore the linux boot diskette that was created at the end of the install simply couldn't locate the superblock under any of the different file system types. Since this point I've tried several other things: 1) Partitioning using Linux fdisk -- bad idea OS/2/DOS get quite confused. 2) Tried different parition sizes to try to get OS/2 and DOS fdisks to create partitions on cylinder boundaries. None of these were successful as far as Linux was concerned. Again it seems odd that the OS/2 and DOS fdisks wouldn't automatically create paritions on cylinder boundaries... So perhaps linux is just confused. 3) Partitioning with OS/2 fdisk and formatting the Linux partitions with DOS format first. I no longer got a complaint from the Boot manager when I tried to boot Linux, but it wasn't able to boot from the parition either... 4) Tried to copy the boot image from the think-pad boot floppy (which I got from peipa.essex.ac.uk and had been using all along) but I couldn't find the image in the root partition (I expected to see /zImage or something similar but didn't) so I couldn't pursue this avenue any further. Any ideas on where this kernel is and what it's called? I suspect I'm seeing symptoms of several different problems, but first off I'd like to figure out how to resolve the seeming conflict between Warp and Linux regarding the partion table for an 810 MB Sigma Drive. Any feedback on this problem would be greatly appreciated. One thing I haven't tried yet is using the OS/2 2.1 Boot Manager code I'm not certain there's any difference, but since the Linux documentation explicitly talks about booting Linux from the Boot Manager I know it can be done. One other thing that I haven't tried is ditching the Boot Manager and just using LILO, but my preference is the Boot Manager at this point. THANKS! -Brad. From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:32:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12288 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 10:08:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15242; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 10:04:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 10:04:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15167; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 10:03:35 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA08716; Thu, 22 Dec 94 08:02:42 MST Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 08:02:42 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9412221502.AA08716@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: OS2: Warp and TP750 mono On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, John Kim writes: > Flipping a DOS Windowed session to full screen corrupts the display. > 2/3rds of the way down, I get a section of the top of the screen repeated > over and over. The problem doesn't happen with a DOS Full screen > session flipped to a Windowed session. > Oh, I have the DevCon version which means I don't have a manual. > If there are specific instructions for the Thinkpads given in the > manual, I'd like to know. John - There is mention in the Warp User's Guide of video corruption when using a TP750 with a monochrome LCD display. I believe the recommended fix is to install the OS/2 video drivers off the Thinkpad Video Features Disk. I would be happy to forward the appropriate pages out of the manual, but there might be a better way... I recall a few recent posts from Wes Dunaway in which he describes the same sort of trouble on a machine similar to yours. I think he was finally able to resolve the problem through the use of different video drivers, possibly those off the latest Video Features Disk. In any event, I think Wes will be able to help you here. Are you listening, Wes?? _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Compuserve: 73741,453 Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:32:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08804 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:03:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28405; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:19:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:19:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28395; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:19:46 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id NAA22571; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:17:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199412221817.NAA22571@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: glade@isis.com (Brad Glade) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: OS2: LINUX: Warp + Linux + 810MB drive In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:31:14 EST." <9412221431.AA19714@duvel.isis.stratus.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:17:17 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Apparently (through some mechanism I don't fully understand) IDE drives can pretend that they have a different disk geometry (# of cylinders, # of heads, and # sectors/track) than they actually do. This has been used for a long time to get around the limitation of 1024 cylinders and/or 16 heads in some DOS or BIOS data structures. My understanding is that if you are using several different operating systems on one disk, you have to use the same disk geometry for each of the operating systems. You can't tell one OS that it has 16 heads and another one that it has 32 heads, because then the disk partition table (which marks partition offsets in terms of cylinders, sectors, and heads rather than absolute sectors) will be wrong for one or the other. So if Linux can't deal with > 16 heads, you have to somehow reformat/reconfigure the disk to make it look like it has fewer heads, and then start all over with the installation, making sure that both OS/2 and Linux see the same geometry. If Linux doesn't read the new disk geometry correctly, you may be able to fool it by telling LILO what the new geometry is. Good luck Keith Moore From ???@??? Fri Dec 23 02:32:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02467 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 19:55:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24356; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 20:05:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 20:05:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24344; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 20:05:49 -0500 Received: from shosmer.slip.netcom.com by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id RAA09267; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 17:04:55 -0800 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.6)/1.0um) id AA0035; Thu, 22 Dec 94 14:54:22 -0800 Message-Id: <9412222254.AA0035@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 14:52:12 -0800 From: shosmer@netcom.com To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Reply-To: shosmer@netcom.com Subject: Re: Not CHAT: Re: CHAT: that second screen control X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Id: <25_65_1_788125936> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Description: //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) > id PAA25379; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:14:16 -0800 > Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id RAA07753; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:54:45 -0500 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:54:43 EST > Errors-to: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > > On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, jesse montrose wrote: > > > Has anyone found it to be the least bit useful? :) > > I mean the lower sliding lever that doesn't affect the screen much.. > > Just wondering.. > > This should be in the FAQ. Go to a DOS prompt and type: > > PS2 BR N > > And it should give the lower bar the full brightness range it has > when plugged int AC power. To put it back into "economy" mode, type: > > PS2 BR E Is there and equivelent for OS/2 systems? //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Stephen Hosmer // hosmer@ibm.net // Royale Operating Company From ???@??? Sun Dec 25 23:40:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02369 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 20:28:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02037; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:21:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:20:58 EST Errors-to: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02027; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:20:55 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA15256 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:20:47 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA31004; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:20:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:20:31 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modems--28.8K info? In-Reply-To: <199412220732.XAA22155@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > I was just looking in a catalog that came a few days ago > and noticed that a lot of mfgrs. now have 28.8K PCMCIA modems for > sale (either that, or the catalog is jumping the gun). They all said > "V.34", so I presume they are V.34 only and no V.FC (too bad--I still > have some 28.8K connections--especially the one here at USC--that are > V.FC and not V.34). I'm sure that most v.34 modems are also compatible with V.FC. The ones that use a Rockwell chipset certainly do, and any Manufacturers who came out with V.FC modems will make sure that their V.34 modems are compatible with V.FC. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From ???@??? Sun Dec 25 23:40:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA00300 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 12:03:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12748; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 12:21:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 12:21:48 EST Errors-to: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12738; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 12:21:45 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA21908; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 09:21:47 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA27434; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 09:21:42 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412251721.JAA27434@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modems--28.8K info? To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 09:21:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Joshua Hosseinoff" at Dec 24, 94 07:20:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I was just looking in a catalog that came a few days ago > > and noticed that a lot of mfgrs. now have 28.8K PCMCIA modems for > > sale (either that, or the catalog is jumping the gun). They all said > > "V.34", so I presume they are V.34 only and no V.FC (too bad--I still > > have some 28.8K connections--especially the one here at USC--that are > > V.FC and not V.34). > > I'm sure that most v.34 modems are also compatible with V.FC. The ones > that use a Rockwell chipset certainly do, and any Manufacturers who came > out with V.FC modems will make sure that their V.34 modems are compatible > with V.FC. > > Josh Hosseinoff > hosseino@yu1.yu.edu Josh, I placed a call to Megahertz, and apparently they don't agree with you (at least with respect to their own modem). It is V.34 and does not have V.FC capability. Bummer... ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Sun Dec 25 23:40:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA02825 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 12:32:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13297; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:28:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:28:50 EST Errors-to: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13287; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:28:49 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id WAA14909; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:31:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:31:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Ron Heiby cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Any bare 810 drives out there? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Dec 1994, Ron Heiby wrote: [I listed two places to buy 2.5 drives.... maybe] > Thanks! I'll try calling them tomorrow. Ron. I have since found someplace that includes them in their ad, and apparently pretty reasonably priced. Worldwide Technologies has an ad in the most recent Windows magazine. (Which, I might interject, I bought because the cover seemed to insinuate there was something about the new Dilbert screensaver inside. Instead there was a totally non-funny column/prediction by Scott Adams and _one_ Dilbert cartoon. Kiss my fanny, Windows magazine) Anyways. They list 4 companies. One, Seagate, I will not bother with as all their drives are 19mm high. John Kim has said in the past, I believe, that the drives need to be 17mm or less to fit in the case. They are also (a) more crappily prices and only half of those are listed rather than "CALL" (xlation: price sucks) and (2) 16ms. They have what is probably the best bet for a case-swap manuver, IBM drives. 250M is $284, 340M is $374 and 520M is $524. ($1.136, $1.10 and $1.008 per megabyte, if you care) Access speed not listed. They list a larger range of Toshibas, which I will simply list by meg/price: 126/199, 213/275, 258/295, 340/344, 524/524. All are 15ms. Do your own math, but the bottom line is if you're gonna shoot for 500M like I am, price is the same, give or take 4M. There is one Quantum IDE listed: 256 for $345. Phooey. If anyone orders before me (I think I'll do so in mid-jan) let me know how it all works out. The phone number is 1-800-636-6792 or fax:215-922-0116. 9-9 EST. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Sun Dec 25 23:40:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01029 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 16:28:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28652; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 16:30:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 16:30:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28635; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 16:30:25 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA25061; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 13:30:28 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id NAA04541; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 13:30:27 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412252130.NAA04541@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modems--28.8K info? To: sgross@enet.net Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 13:30:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: from "sgross@enet.net" at Dec 25, 94 02:07:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I am using the Practical Peripherals PM288MT V.34 external modem. > > It is both V.34 and V.FC compliant. > > The US Robotics 28.8 Sportster V34 is the same. > > -steve That's all well and good Steve--my US Robotics Courier speaks both V.34 and V.FC quite nicely too. But none of these modems are PCMCIA with an X-Jack connector! That's what I'm trying to hunt down. Thanks for your input. > ---------------Original Message--------------- > > > I was just looking in a catalog that came a few days ago > > > and noticed that a lot of mfgrs. now have 28.8K PCMCIA modems for > > > sale (either that, or the catalog is jumping the gun). They all said > > > "V.34", so I presume they are V.34 only and no V.FC (too bad--I still > > > have some 28.8K connections--especially the one here at USC--that are > > > V.FC and not V.34). > > > > I'm sure that most v.34 modems are also compatible with V.FC. The ones > > that use a Rockwell chipset certainly do, and any Manufacturers who came > > out with V.FC modems will make sure that their V.34 modems are compatible > > with V.FC. > > > > Josh Hosseinoff > > hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > > Josh, I placed a call to Megahertz, and apparently they don't agree > with you (at least with respect to their own modem). > > It is V.34 and does not have V.FC capability. Bummer... ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Dec 27 04:01:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01217 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 21:03:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02862; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 19:23:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 19:23:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02852; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 19:23:25 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rMPgm-0004tfC; Mon, 26 Dec 94 18:22 CST Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rMPgl-0002nbC; Mon, 26 Dec 94 18:22 CST Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rMPgf-000BgjC; Mon, 26 Dec 94 18:22 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: warp & tcp/ip 2.0 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 18:22:48 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been trying to get Warp to work with TCP/IP 2.0 and IBM's PCMCIA Ethernet card. When ifndis.sys loads it says it can't register. I think that my protocol.ini is messed up. Could someone mail me their protocol.ini for comparison? Thanks! -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14419 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 27 Dec 1994 10:58:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01926; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 11:00:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 11:00:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from europe.std.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01915; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 11:00:04 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA08565; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 10:59:57 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24915; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 11:00:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 11:00:13 -0500 From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) Message-Id: <199412271600.AA24915@world.std.com> To: sgross@enet.net, Randal Whittle Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modems--28.8K info? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Hello, In a CompUSA I saw a Practical Peripherials V.34 PCMCIA modem with what looks like an XJack. It had flash memory so the software can be updated. 73 Eric. eac@world.std.com soon to be eac@shore.net From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20681 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 27 Dec 1994 16:44:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24212; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 17:10:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 17:10:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24194; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 17:10:29 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id RAA11415; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 17:13:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 17:13:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Eric A Cottrell Cc: sgross@enet.net, Randal Whittle , TP Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modems--28.8K info? In-Reply-To: <199412271600.AA24915@world.std.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Dec 1994, Eric A Cottrell wrote: > In a CompUSA I saw a Practical Peripherials V.34 PCMCIA modem with what looks > like an XJack. It had flash memory so the software can be updated. I have seen these - they don't say xjack and they look different in a way I can't put my finger on. After having this megahertz for 6 months now, I've come to the conclusion that what I'd _really_ like would be the xjack which came out on a wire or flexible plastic and let me use it w/o interfering with other cards. Or even just a hinge w/ about 30 degrees of flex would be sufficient. Maybe when megahertz makes a combo ISDN/28.8k they'll use my idea..... From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29465 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 14:57:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15339; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 13:17:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 13:17:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15328; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 13:17:29 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA07132; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 12:17:27 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 13:18:07 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <47887.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ADMIN: Its time to rethink putting this list on Usenet.. In message Fri, 16 Dec 94 11:15:11 PST, george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) writes: > Hmmm, a recursive mail thread. I might be able to get a journal article > out of this one... :) Been there, done that. Another mailing list I'm on got a bad address subscribed. The machine bounced the message back to the From: line instead of the Reply-To: so the bounce was sent to the mailing list. The mailing list sent it back out, where it bounced again, and so on. Two days, over 5000 bounces, and several crashed systems later we got it sorted out. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02143 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:15:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23192; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:17:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:17:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from seraph.uunet.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23165; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:17:14 -0500 Received: from micomtc by mail.uunet.ca with UUCP id <120912-5>; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:17:52 -0500 Received: by micomtc (MKS Internet Anywhere); Thu, 29 Dec 94 09:10:51 UTC From: valliant@micomtech.com (Hugh A. Valliant) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Archieves Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 09:12:50 -0500 X-Mailer: MKS Internet Anywhere - Compose 1.1b X-Mksia-Sn: 3990124807 Message-Id: <788692251@micomtc> Being a new subscriber to this list, I would be interested in reviewing back e-mail messages. Are they listed/maintained somewhere. and method of obtaining. Thanks in advance. Hugh ========================================== MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 Internet valliant@micomtech.com ========================================== From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02384 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:17:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23195; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:17:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:17:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from seraph.uunet.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23168; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:17:15 -0500 Received: from micomtc by mail.uunet.ca with UUCP id <120709-5>; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:17:51 -0500 Received: by micomtc (MKS Internet Anywhere); Thu, 29 Dec 94 09:08:27 UTC From: valliant@micomtech.com (Hugh A. Valliant) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Introduction Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 09:12:26 -0500 X-Mailer: MKS Internet Anywhere - Compose 1.1b X-Mksia-Sn: 3990124807 Message-Id: <788692107@micomtc> My name is Hugh Valliant. I am a computer consultant. I have a 750c with 540 meg hard drive, 20 meg ram, cellular fax/modem, LAN cards for WFWG, PowerLan, and Novell. and shortly Windows NT. I have WFWG 3.11 and DOS 6.2 and can link up to the above network operating systems. I also have many office applications and a full range of Internet applications running. I can demo the Internet using my cell phone or dial into an AS400 or UNIX system or a BBS. I use my notebook for presentations with a desktop projections system and a remote control hand held mouse. I have several clients with a similar setup but with 755's. The service I offer to clients range from inital consultations, recommendations, purchasing hardware and software, to installing and training staff. I also do custom programming for dBase languages, Lotus, WordPerfect, etc. My background includes setting up voice mail systems, e-mail, POS, EDI, LAN/WAN networks, etc. I also provide hardware/software upgrades and troubleshooting services. In short, I view myself as a small company's computer support person. If they have a computer problem/requiremnt, I will take care of it. I also am in the process of advising clients on how best, for them, to make use of the tools and resources of the Internet. As you can image, this is an exciting challenge. Hugh ========================================== MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 Internet valliant@micomtech.com ========================================== From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09161 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 16:10:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28593; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 16:41:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 16:41:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28582; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 16:41:04 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA11207 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 13:40:59 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id NAA12477 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 13:40:58 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412292140.NAA12477@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 13:40:57 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay folks--you all know how much I love my ThinkPad, but I am considering making a serious platform change. A Power Macintosh. I stumbled into having (sort of) a Classic II over the last few days, and though I'd *never* trade in any of my PC equipment for one of these underpowered pieces of junk, the higher-end Macs are awfully yummy... ;) Needless to say, if I *do* switch over, I will have to maintain a good degree compatibility with Dos/Win systems, as that is where all of my software (and virtually the rest of the entire world) is located. I'll definitely keep my ThinkPad (indefinitely) and perhaps even my desktop PC for some amount of time (though I'll be robbing it for parts, so there won't be much left), but ultimately, will probably come to rely on either SoftWindows emulation or a Houdini II card (486-DX2 chip on a card) for most of my DOS/Win stuff. For the most part, I'll try to gravitate to native PPC apps though. I just think that Intel may be heading for a dead end--CISC chip technology is aging, and though we don't know what architecture the P6 will use yet, I'm guessing it will be yet another CISC chip. And I'm very impressed with the Mac OS. I've always been a naysayer and skeptical toward Macs, but it is clear to me that they are the only ones that *really* do the object-oriented GUI *right*. Comments, anyone? I haven't bought a machine just yet... ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25609 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:22:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06332; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:03:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:03:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06316; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:03:28 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id RAA03896; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 17:11:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 17:11:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP Subject: Re: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! In-Reply-To: <199412292140.NAA12477@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > I just think that Intel may be heading for a dead end--CISC > chip technology is aging, and though we don't know what architecture the > P6 will use yet, I'm guessing it will be yet another CISC chip. > > Comments, anyone? I haven't bought a machine just yet... Delighted. Re: the mac os. _Windows_ multitasks better. You'd be better off with OS2 if concurrent processing is at all important to you. Re: RISC Boy am I sick of the love affair everyone seems to have with RISC these days. It's NOT necessarily inherently better than CISC. There are several techniques for removing the useless pauses in cycles on CISC ships (the major speed advantage in RISC chips). Furthermore, RISC chips have some disadvantages (less addressing modes, MUCH harder to write compilers for) and some tradeoffs (storage space, needed RAM). Don't get me wrong - RISC has some real advantages. It's just not a panacea. You can easily make a RISC machine run as slowly as a CISC. From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29632 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:10:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10411; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:08:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:08:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10400; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:08:20 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rNVcf-0004tiC; Thu, 29 Dec 94 18:55 CST Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rNVce-0002nbC; Thu, 29 Dec 94 18:55 CST Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNVcY-000BgjC; Thu, 29 Dec 94 18:55 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: warp & the tp750? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:55:06 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about not changing the header on the last message! I also have some observations / questions about Warp installs on the 750. In the following discussion assume that the hardware configuration includes a dock II, Sound Blaster AWE-32, PCMCIA modem and Ethernet cards. 1) The dock II's SCSI irq is normally set to 11. This in turn conflicts with the irq that OS/2 uses to detect a status change on PCMCIA slots 3/4 (i.e. in the dock). This means that a different IRQ is needed. Can any of the IRQ's in the configuration stated above be shared? (You will see why later.) FYI: Also note that the installer doesn't detect this conflict and you loose the CDROM after the install finishes. (This took me a long time to figure out!) 2) The Crystal Semi drivers that ship with warp don't manage the dock's audio correctly. In this I mean that the normal drivers (windows or os/2 which shipped with the Thinkpad) disables the speaker in the pad and sends the sound through the dock. What occurs with the Warp drivers is that the gain of the pad's speaker is much greater than what is coming out of the dock. Thus you can't really hear the dock's audio! Another problem with Warp's drivers is that they turn the TP's audio to full every time a sound is played. It would appear that the author assumed that you would use the OS/2 volume control and not the f5/f6 keys. If the thinkpad's drivers are used, I don't think it is possible to get sound to work with windows. Is this true? (Maybe it's a don't care as I should be using the AWE for the dock at all times!) Is it possible to write a REXX program to change the multimedia configuration? (i.e. switch system sounds between Digital Audio 1 and DA2?) 3) The AWE requires an interrupt, but I ran out. What I did was to allocate the parallel port's irq to the second PCMCIA controller (in the dock). For the Ethernet, I utilized Com2. This left the modem without it's own irq. It should be possible to share com1's irq, assuming that you don't need to use both at the same time. This didn't work. For the modem I was forced to disable com1 in the pad and let the modem map to com1. 4) The mouse gain sucks. <- period There have been a number of people on the Compuserve tp forum which complain about trashing their red buttons in less than a year. In addition they are the same people who state that the cover is too slick. I would point out that they are the same people who use OS/2! It would appear that the OS/2 model is one of low gain with a high acceleration. It's not what I am used to with normal windows setups. I looked at the new Microsoft Intellepoint driver. It comes with an OS/2 driver. Has anyone tried it? -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29634 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:10:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10443; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:08:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:08:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10433; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:08:54 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rNVIZ-0004tfC; Thu, 29 Dec 94 18:34 CST Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rNVIY-0002nbC; Thu, 29 Dec 94 18:34 CST Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNVIS-000BgjC; Thu, 29 Dec 94 18:34 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: ADMIN: Its time to rethink putting this list on Usenet.. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:34:20 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <47887.jokim@mit.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Dec 29, 94 01:18:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I installed Warp on a thinkpad this week. This was my first experience with OS/2. What does one do for applications which interact with the hardware (i.e. terminal emulator, fax send/receive, backup/restore and networking). In the past I used Delrina's WinComm/WinFax, Central Point Backup and Frontier's SuperTCP (also Exceed's X for windows)? I found ZOC (V2.01) and it would appear to be a useful terminal emulator. Faxworks which comes on the bonus CD appears a little weak. For backup/restore I am forced to boot under dos and continue to use Central Point's product. IBM's full network package at ~$500 is more than I am willing to spend. Can anyone suggest lower cost alternatives? What really comes on the OS/2 developer's CDROMs? Thanks! From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:22:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29745 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:11:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06015; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:56:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:56:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05983; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:56:33 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA14018; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:07:17 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id PAA17389; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:07:13 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412292307.PAA17389@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! To: dwhite@shadow.net (Donald A. Whiteside) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:07:13 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Donald A. Whiteside" at Dec 29, 94 05:11:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I just think that Intel may be heading for a dead end--CISC > > chip technology is aging, and though we don't know what architecture the > > P6 will use yet, I'm guessing it will be yet another CISC chip. > > > > Comments, anyone? I haven't bought a machine just yet... > > Delighted. Delighted--meaning you'd love to stick your thoughts in here, or delighted because you think this is a good idea (moving to a PowerMac)? > Re: the mac os. > _Windows_ multitasks better. You'd be better off with OS2 if concurrent > processing is at all important to you. Not particularly, unless it is to Download files via modem in the background. Spooling off printing jobs would be nice too, but Windows sucks at that too (though 3rd party products pick up the slack). Will the Mac do that okay? Anything I'm missing? I mean if you are a programmer doing massive re-compiles while you edit some other piece of code, then by all means--OS/2 is for you! The rest of us have minimal need for multitasking. > Re: RISC > Boy am I sick of the love affair everyone seems to have with RISC these > days. It's NOT necessarily inherently better than CISC. There are several > techniques for removing the useless pauses in cycles on CISC ships (the > major speed advantage in RISC chips). Furthermore, RISC chips have some > disadvantages (less addressing modes, MUCH harder to write compilers for) > and some tradeoffs (storage space, needed RAM). True, but speed isn't one of them. > Don't get me wrong - RISC has some real advantages. It's just not a > panacea. Yes--as you say, it costs a lot more in Hard Disk space and Memory, since code has to be longer to execute the fewer commands in the RISC chip. But if you pay the price in RAM, etc., you generally get a fast machine. > You can easily make a RISC machine run as slowly as a CISC. Sure--just watch a PowerMac emulate Windows. ;) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:23:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00097 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:18:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06310; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:03:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:03:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06291; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:03:08 -0500 Received: from [192.70.249.45] (mac45.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA05720; Thu, 29 Dec 94 18:04:32 EST Message-Id: <9412292304.AA05720@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:07:16 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! I'm an old DOS/Windows person, who is now working in a Mac lab, and is therefore spending lots of time using them as well. I installed Warp on my thinkpad three weeks ago. Mac hardware is top quality, and these days, quite reasonably priced. The MAC os is easy to use, but is *tremendously* limited. You can do anything you want on a mac, as long as 10000 other people want to do exactly the same thing, so that it is worth it for some guru to write the software. Software is generally expensive and limited MAC's used to have the advantage of a single platform, and therefore guaranteed software and hardware compatibility, but with all the new hardware coming out, this is no longer the case. Getting software to work on all the macs in our lab is just as hard as it is in the intel world. As far as I'm concerned, OS2 warp has all of the advantages of the mac OS, but none of the limitations (except for limited software availability). It is somewhat more difficult to configure, but it can be customized to deliver maximum performance for each application. The interface is also infinitely more customizable than either word for wienies (WFW), or Mac system xx. The tests in PC magazine suggest that warp is slower than WFW on win16 apps, but not by much, and it is much faster than NT in everything but disk access. I do not have any software that I cannot get going under OS2, including games that never worked under windows. Because of the stronger memory management features, I have found that WFW crashers like Mathematica for Windows run *better* under warp, and when they do crash, it doesn't crash the whole system. I strongly doubt that houdini vaporware will do as well as warp in dos/windows support, considering Apple's lack of experience, and who knows when that will come out. Past experience suggests that windows 9x will be pretty buggy until windows 9x.y comes out (who knows when), and 9x win16 support sounds like a hack job. NT is a slug, unless you need the security functions, and from what I've heard it's dos/win16 support is not perfect either. As far as chips, the powerPC platform standard is not yet implemented on a machine as far as I know. When it is, you can be certain that IBM will get OS2 going on it. Presumably, when the standard platform is implemented, both OS2 and mac system xx will work on both IBM's and macs. But once again, how long can you hold your breath? Obviously, I'm sold on warp, but I am very annoyed at IBM for advertising "internet access" but then leaving out the trivial amount of extra software required to interface with an ethernet system. To buy the appropriate add-on software to do this (basicly an NDIS stack) costs more than Warp itself! I also wish there was more native OS2 software available. *Disclaimer* The above tirade is based on personal experience, a bit of research, and anecdotal evidence. There are surely many in this group who can correct me on technical details. ------------------------------------------------------------ Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 ------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:23:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00161 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:19:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06026; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:56:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:56:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06011; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:56:52 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA13681; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 14:58:08 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA16917; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 14:58:03 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412292258.OAA16917@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! To: ballagh@maxwell.otago.ac.nz (robert ballagh) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 14:58:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP), lwhittle@aol.com (LaVar Whittle) In-Reply-To: <9412292205.AA17796@maxwell.otago.ac.nz> from "robert ballagh" at Dec 30, 94 11:05:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Yes, I must comment on this. That's why I asked--I'd like to hear 'em. > Yes, Windows is a dog - I detest it. However, I have just changed to Warp, a > that is a revelation. It is undoubtedly superior to MAc OS, for a start it i > robust multitasker. Score one for OS/2. Question: Can a Mac download stuff via a modem in the background while you go about your business? Is it good enough (as is Windows) to do that? That's about the most multitasking I ever do. I'm not interested in the famous OS/2 feat of formatting floppies while you download... ;) As some of the list already know, I have used OS/2 in every incarnation except 3.0/Warp. I have been very disappointed every time. Frankly, it suffers from lack of drivers (though that is being rectified) and worst of all--lack of software (and no, I see no point to using OS/2 just to run my Windows software). Most of the major apps I use don't have OS/2 versions and likely never will. PageMaker, Adobe Photoshop, Aldus Freehand, MS Excel, (Ami Pro is in OS/2, so I'll make an exception there). In my view, OS/2 will forever be relegated to a tiny, niche market that is much, much smaller than the 10% the Macintosh pulls in. That means no apps and few drivers. That view has held true for a number of years now. Its a shame too, because as you say, OS/2 is great. Only problem is that its an orphan too. Aldus turned their back on them. WordPerfect walked away. Microsoft (of course) did, and Lotus probably *would* have if they weren't so desparate to stay in the game. Lotus is the only biggie they have left, and from all appearances, SmartSuite doesn't particularly sell like hotcakes on the OS/2 platform (at least Ami Pro has a respectable showing in Windows). > Yes, I do admire the power PC, but really significant tests (by the Matlab > people - see their latest newsletter) don't show any real speed advantage ov > the Pentium (give or take a floating point Bug !!!). The power PC seems about Would you mind commenting more here? Was the PPC using native code? Most of the Mac Sys 7.5 has PPC extensions & many major vendors have written native PPC code already. This means the chip's capabilities are starting to actually be used. I don't know of *any* x86 software that has been recompiled to take advantage of the Pentium's capabilties, as has been suggested by Intel--this after 1 1/2 years of Pentium systems on the market. The PowerMac has been on the market for what--9 months or less? Nearly every major app on the platform already has PPC native code out and available. > twice the speed on my thinkpad. The current windows emulator on the power PC > a complete dog. (286 speed). Partly true--and it only runs Win in Std. Mode. It emulates a 286, but not at 286 speed. Actually its speed is about the same as a high-end 386 or low-end 486. Insignia solutions has a full license agreement and access to Windows code from Microsoft, and claims to have a 486-emulator nearly ready to run SoftWindows in Enhanced mode and at a faster rate. Their license also extends to Windows95. Perhaps they'll make it better. Meanwhile, you can also get a 486-chip on a card and literally have two different computers under the same hood. If I dump my desktop, I may get one of those instead. We'll see... > The next generation may be where power PC really > kills the Intel competition. Perhaps. It will be interesting to watch. Even if the P6 holds it own though, it'll probably be saddled with a rotten operating system--unless Win95 or future NT actually delivers what they claim. > So my 2 cents worth is, try Warp first. All your windows stuff will still ru > and run well. Maybe--but the question is "why"? True, it is an interim step to getting code native to your operating system, but in the case of OS/2--there isn't any. At least with a Mac, there's applications to move to (though admittedly, they are kind of drying up somewhat). > Mac OS has been a great system, but its now outdated. In the > future, IBM will have a power PC version running OS2. IBM has been talking about making a PPC machine for a year now-- and still don't have a box put together yet, much less an operating system to run on it. With the exception of the industrial market where the 601 is being used to replace their old "Power" chip, they haven't a clue what to do with PPC. I'd look to Motorola putting a machine together with a PPC chip in it before IBM does. And you better believe Motorola's machine won't be running a PPC version of OS/2--it'll be running a PPC version of Windows NT. > Kind regards > > Rob Ballagh Thanks for the input, Rob. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:23:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01251 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:36:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11257; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:20:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:20:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11247; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:20:03 -0500 Received: from @hooked.net (get.hooked.net [199.2.134.2]) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA17346 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 14:35:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199412292235.OAA17346@get.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 14:39:54 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! > Comments, anyone? I haven't bought a machine just yet... Wow, that's just asking for trouble, I'd hate to see an OS jihad spring up here :) I'm coming from the same place as you, they're strongest feature (IMO), hiding the nasty bits of the workings of the OS from the user, is also the reason I've stayed away, it's so difficult to get down inside and play. I kinda like 'em now, if someone'd put something as good as MSVC++ on it, I'd seriously consider switching to a 540c. I think for a technically savvy user who's comfortable working in an OS available on an intel chip, it comes down to which OS gives you the right tools. ____________________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose jesse@spine.com http://www.buzznet.com/people/jesse/ I don't recycle. I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:23:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02077 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:47:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13146; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:51:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:51:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13136; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 20:51:45 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA18452; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 17:35:41 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA26981; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 17:35:16 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199412300135.RAA26981@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! To: ballagh@maxwell.otago.ac.nz (robert ballagh) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 17:35:16 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9412292336.AA17970@maxwell.otago.ac.nz> from "robert ballagh" at Dec 30, 94 12:36:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Thanks for your thoughtful reply. It did show up some of my biases. Let me > comment on that first, so you can get a handle on them. We all have biases! You should meet my brother.... ;) > A very large part of my work is large numerical simulations. I really need > be able to send the machine away to calculate for some hours, but still be > to get on with the other things I need it for (word processing, program > editing etc). So this makes OS2 vital to me for running Matlab, which is o > available in a windows version as you point out. Another "biggie" for me is > Mathematica, but they have an OS2 version, and will transfer the license for > mininal cost. OS/2 obviously is the kind of thing you need. My problem is the "mainstream" apps which are suspiciously lacking on the OS/2 platform. > So I guess I forgot the cardinal rule about computing, that everybody has > different requirements. Undoubtedly! > The matlab test is very rigorous, and by far the best available, if you are > interested in numerical crunching. It handles such things as flops (Linpack > tests) , and graphics drawing, but not much (I think) on disk access. It may > not be quite so relevant to the sort of applications you are using. Their > power PC version is not yet out, but the bench mark was done with natice PPC > code. The power PC 8100 comes in about halfway between a sparc II and a DEC > alpha. I don't understand--Power PC version of Matlab is not out, but the benchmark was done with native PPC code. The Benchmark test is native PPC? > I might very well have changed to NT, except for the difficulties I heard ab > getting it to go on a thinkpad. And yes, it was wishful thinking on my > part to presume IBM would put out OS2 on a PPC. That is quite old IBM promo > material. My brother is an IBMer who has some marketing responsibility for OS/2, so yes, I know where you got that bit of stuff. I tweak him left and right when I point out how many promises IBM has made and how few they delivered on--it makes Microsoft "Vaporware" look awfully solid! ;) > NT does look like it could become the standard. .. I just have this > quixotic urge to help retain some competition against the Microsoft juggernau I can't blame you--but it is rather absurd to ignore reality. In the PC world, Microsoft pretty *defines* what "reality" is... ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Y'know, Tuna just | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| doesn't taste the same | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | since they took the | right, they should be yours too.) | Dolphin out! | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:23:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06814 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 21:50:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15182; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 21:23:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 21:23:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15170; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 21:23:56 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00746; Thu, 29 Dec 94 14:29:23 PST Date: Thu, 29 Dec 94 14:29:23 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9412292229.AA00746@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Randal Whittle ' dated: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 13:40:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > I just think that Intel may be heading for a dead end--CISC > chip technology is aging, and though we don't know what architecture the > P6 will use yet, I'm guessing it will be yet another CISC chip. Well the rumors from a reliable source (ie, Intel), are that the P6 will be 4 - P5's (Pentium's) on a single substrate. It will still be a 32-bit chip, albeit a 4-way multi-processor. Initially, Intel started developing the P7 to be a true 64-bit CISC chip. Although Intel likes to call their architecture RISCified because it contains pipelined instruction units, they are essentially classic CISC architectures. The conserative (Intel) estimates calculated somewhere in the order of 16 million transistors for a 64-bit CISC chip. Intel decided to punt this behemoth, and started romancing Hewlett Packard's VLIW (very large instruction word) design team. VLIW is essentially RISC on steroids. The idea behind VLIW is that you have many RISC instruction units in parallel. The HP/Intel P6 supposedly has 18 such units. Like current RISC architectures, this design decision places a large degree of the technical difficulties on the compiler writers. The compiler for a VLIW machine must sequence the RISC instructions so they do not violate data dependencies. The VLIW P7 will of course _not_ use an X86 instruction set. Intel intends to provide backward compatability through instruction set macros. VLIW is a natural evolution of RISC, and a very exciting technology. I sympathize with Intel's curse of backward compatability, and applaud this rather dramatic decision. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:23:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27352 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 02:48:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06239; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 02:48:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 02:48:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06229; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 02:48:38 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id BAA07100; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 01:59:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 01:59:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP Subject: Re: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! In-Reply-To: <199412292307.PAA17389@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Dec 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > Delighted. > > Delighted--meaning you'd love to stick your thoughts in here, or > delighted because you think this is a good idea (moving to a PowerMac)? always delighted to pontificate.... of course, it was worth what you paid for it. re:multitasking, I said MacOS wasn't so hot on it. > Not particularly, unless it is to Download files via modem in > the background. Spooling off printing jobs would be nice too, but Windows > sucks at that too (though 3rd party products pick up the slack). Will > the Mac do that okay? The mac print monitor does a fine job. it's really no better than print manager, except it provides better feedback. Unlike the Windows print manager, it doesn't spool stuff off to disk. This is good speed-wise with documents less than 3 pages, but you will spend more time waiting for a release from the word processor. There may be a way to make it spool more to memory, but the ones we use at work do little in the way of large print jobs, so they're untweaked (if in fact they are tweakable) > I mean if you are a programmer doing massive re-compiles while > you edit some other piece of code, then by all means--OS/2 is for you! > The rest of us have minimal need for multitasking. Well, I dunno. If you're doing any networking, it can be valuable. I often have 3-8 tcpip client windows open at once (WWW, telnet, gopher, ftp, archie, news) and often leave one xfering data to watch other stuff. I guess it's a personal thing.... > True, but speed isn't one of them. No, but the speed advantages are in operations that involve passthrough, shifting and addition. Start doing mult. and you're up to CISC speed on that instruction, and memory addressing is, if I recall, limited to one mode: register. (just checked: correct) I don't mean to sound like I'm bashing RISC - it's impressive, though I don't want to write compilers for it. It's just that I wanted to mention where the speed gains are achieved, because Intel has already worked on increasing the piplining in the 80x86 series, (They can call it the P5 all they want, it's still an 86...) and I think they're working on implementing variable length clock cycles. So the CISC platform is not necessarily going to be left in the dust by the PowerPC chip... > Sure--just watch a PowerMac emulate Windows. ;) Heheh. The add-in board is an excellent solution to that. I'm normally disinclined towards emulation, but you can't beat the price on the Houdini board (or whatever they're calling it now). From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:23:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09918 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 04:42:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15191; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 04:28:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 04:28:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15180; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 04:28:10 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA14136; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 00:45:28 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 01:46:08 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <6368.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: QUES: Imigosh! A MAC!!! In message Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:07:16 -0500, kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) writes: > I strongly doubt that houdini vaporware will do as well as warp in > dos/windows support, considering Apple's lack of experience, and who knows > when that will come out. My friend had a PowerMac and a beta of Insignia's SoftPC and SoftWindows. I brought a bunch of DOS/Windows software over to try it out and everything ran (granted I didn't have enough time to try to crash the system). The real surprise was when I loaded a copy of Wolfenstein 3D (didn't have DOOM with me at the time). It ran. At 1 frame/sec, but it ran. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu jokim@tuna.mit.edu does not work (yet) | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Dec 30 12:23:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10228 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 04:43:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15202; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 04:28:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 04:28:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15192; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 04:28:13 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA14142; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 00:46:15 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 01:46:11 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <6372.jokim@mit.edu> To: strat@dsd.northrop.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: warp & the tp750? In message Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:55:06 -0600 (CST), strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) writes: > Another problem with Warp's drivers is that they turn the TP's audio to > full every time a sound is played. It would appear that the author assumed > that you would use the OS/2 volume control and not the f5/f6 keys. Same problem here. > 4) The mouse gain sucks. <- period > > There have been a number of people on the Compuserve tp forum which > complain about trashing their red buttons in less than a year. In > addition they are the same people who state that the cover is too slick. > I would point out that they are the same people who use OS/2! I trash one cap about every month. It got so ridiculous I just don't use the rubber cap. 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