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Sat Oct 01 18:56:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11612 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:03:32 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01775; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:02:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:02:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01764; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:02:49 -0400 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by fire.ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with ESMTP id NAA24597 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:03:40 -0400 Received: from gedny07.gedny.ml.com (gedny07.gedny.ml.com [146.125.9.7]) by ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with SMTP id NAA03664 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:00:56 -0400 Received: from gedny29.gedny by gedny07.gedny.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09587; Fri, 30 Sep 94 13:02:05 EDT Date: Fri, 30 Sep 94 13:02:05 EDT From: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Message-Id: <9409301702.AA09587@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Received: by gedny29.gedny (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25130; Fri, 30 Sep 94 13:02:03 EDT To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Linux on TP750 Ce? Is it possible? In-Reply-To: <199409300636.IAA15851@aton.abo.fi> References: <199409300636.IAA15851@aton.abo.fi> I would like to put Linux on TP750e? Is it possible? Thanks, /Pradeep From ???@??? Sat Oct 01 18:56:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24629 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:07:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16470; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:00:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:00:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16454; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:00:08 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA13507; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:20:38 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:20:58 -0800 (PST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <58860.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard-drive upgrades: success story In message Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:04:17 -0400, kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) writes: > Several respondents will be interested > to hear that bios 1.13 does not permit 32 bit access in windows, even > with smaller partitions. Windows 32-bit access bypasses the BIOS entirely, so no BIOS update will fix it. Microsoft has to fix it. I'm not quite sure how OS/2 gets around this. > By the way, the connecter for my 170 meg drive is very slightly > different, leading to the pin offset problem. I must have gotten an > older 170 meg disk. I'm a little nervous about stressing the flat cable I've had mine in there, bent, for about two months now without problems. > ($1600 for TP disk - $565 for "raw" disk = $1000 for the little plastic > box and cable), but it seems to work fine. If the cable ever breaks, I'll probably make IBM fix it, seeing as they won't sell me a new one. I'll just put the 170megger back in and claim I opened the plastic box to see what the problem was. (Ok, maybe it won't work, but with IBM's attitude about this I won't feel bad about trying to dupe them like this) Does anyone know of a source for anything resembling that little cable? The box doesn't look like it'd be too hard to duplicate with a few pieces of plastic and epoxy. It's the cable that's got me stumped. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@x8.csrd.uiuc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Sat Oct 01 18:57:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22201 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 00:54:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14666; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:10:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:10:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14653; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:10:06 -0400 Received: from top.cis.syr.EDU by lohengrin.top.cis.syr.edu id aa01179; 1 Oct 94 1:09 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:09:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Yen-Chiun Tseng Subject: NextStep on TP755 To: ThinkPad750 Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Does anyone install NS on TP755 successfully? If so, I'm very interested. Any reply will be very appreciated! From ???@??? Sat Oct 01 18:57:13 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23518 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:08:05 -0500 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15872; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:07:11 -0500 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa26158; 1 Oct 94 2:03 EDT Received: from bcm.tmc.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa26154; 1 Oct 94 2:02 EDT Received: from dna (dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu [128.249.25.121]) by bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA01142 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:02:19 -0500 Received: by dna (AA27514); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:05:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:05:09 -0500 From: Dan Ts'o Message-Id: <9410010605.AA27514@dna> To: dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu, ibm-tp500@virginia.edu Subject: Re: more TP510CS musings... Quick note: I found the large pointer program. In case it wasn't totally obvious to everyone, its c:\thinkpad\lrgptr.exe. Dan From ???@??? Sat Oct 01 18:57:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04428 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 02:41:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20414; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:03:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:03:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20404; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:03:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA07230 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 17:03:03 +1000 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 17:02:57 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: One fish two fish red fish blue fish Subject: Re: Flickering in dual-scan color screens To: Antti Kilpinen Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199409300636.IAA15851@aton.abo.fi> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Sep 1994, Antti Kilpinen wrote: > >My 360Cs exhibits an occasional flicker in the backlighting (just like > >a flickering flourescent light, which it probably is). Anybody else > >seen this in the Thinkpad or other dual scan displays? When I talked > > I've noticed the same thing on one of our 360Cs. Have not checked if it > still exists after updading the flash bios to v1.13. > I saw exactly that on a Leo Designnote today at a computer expo. Passive as well. The dealer admitted to me that there was a problem with the backlight. > >to somebody about this at IBM support, they first insisted that it must > >be a software problem, and denied that the unit used flourescent > >backlighting at all. Buy Leo? ha! Well at least they had an explanation ;) From ???@??? Sat Oct 01 18:57:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15501 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 13:28:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00915; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 13:36:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 13:36:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00897; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 13:36:51 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA24408; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 12:36:48 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 13:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <49031.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: More info on OS/2 3.0 This is from the press release for OS/2 3.0: > New audio support has been added to Warp including Compaq > Business Audio, Toshiba Business Audio, Analog Devices Audio, > Aztech Sound Galaxy Nova 16, ESS 688 AudioDrive, Media Vision > Jazz16, Creative LabsAWE 32 drivers and Crystal Semi-Conductor > audio support for the IBM ThinkPad* and other mobile computers. > The next version of OS/2 will support more than 80 percent of the > audio devices on the PC market. Hopefully this means the audio support in Win-OS/2 will finally work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@x8.csrd.uiuc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Sun Oct 02 12:29:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14543 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:47:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26148; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:09:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:09:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26138; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:09:16 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxjuq05235; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:09:06 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28180; Sat, 1 Oct 94 18:06:23 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21620; Sat, 1 Oct 94 18:10:18 PDT Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29372; Sat, 1 Oct 94 18:07:18 PDT Date: Sat, 1 Oct 94 18:07:18 PDT From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9410020107.AA29372@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Qlogic FAST PCMCIA SCSI Anyone gotten the Qlogic PCMCIA SCSI card to work with DOS and/or OS/2? If so, I'd appreciate it if you could send me the autodrv.ini entry you use and any other hints that may be useful. Thanks, --Bruce From ???@??? Sun Oct 02 12:29:23 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23560 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:27:30 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id BAA00995; Sun, 2 Oct 1994 01:26:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199410020526.BAA00995@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Cc: tp750-request@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FAQ in welcome letter? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 01 Oct 1994 18:57:00 CDT." <199410012359.TAA22335@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 1994 01:26:32 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu There's already a mention of it in there. cheers, Keith From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 00:39:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02747 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 17:12:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12684; Sun, 2 Oct 1994 17:28:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 2 Oct 1994 17:28:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12673; Sun, 2 Oct 1994 17:28:48 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA24651; Sun, 2 Oct 94 17:28:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 94 17:28:31 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410022128.AA24651@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard-drive upgrades: success story is the TP 540 meg disk really $1600 I bought an IBM 810 meg drive for $1890! From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 00:39:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10913 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:15:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03096; Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:20:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:20:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03082; Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:19:59 -0400 Received: from mercury.mcs.com (root@Mercury.mcs.com [192.160.127.80]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA21622 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 1994 22:19:56 -0500 Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Sun, 2 Oct 94 22:19 CDT Received: by falkor.chi.il.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Sun, 02 Oct 94 22:18:20 CDT for tp750@cs.utk.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: sytps113 on 750 From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Message-Id: <9ZqLTc1w165w@falkor.chi.il.us> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 94 22:15:19 CST Organization: DML, Inc., Buffalo Grove, IL I downloaded the 1.13 version of the system disk this weekend (SYTPS113) and went through the process of installing it on my TP750C. There was no documentation with this version (as there has been in the past) giving any sort of indication as to what was fixed/changed, etc. I found that when I actually attempted the install, it informed me that there was nothing to do. Apparently, the BIOS for the 750 series has not changed >from version 1.12 to 1.13. Just thought folks would like to know, before going to the trouble themselves. Ron. From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 02:14:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07666 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 01:52:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12605; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:10:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:10:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12595; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:10:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199410030610.CAA12595@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ruger-73.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13575; Mon, 3 Oct 94 01:08:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 01:08:37 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: NextStep on TP755 X-Mailer: > Does anyone install NS on TP755 successfully? If so, I'm very > interested. Any reply will be very appreciated! If anyone knows the answer to this question (one way or the other), please let me know so I can include it in my FAQ. --- Sean Chou schou@uiuc.edu C$ 73672,2111 From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 02:14:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08383 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 01:58:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13148; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:22:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:22:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ra.abo.fi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13138; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:22:34 -0400 Received: from aton.abo.fi (aton.abo.fi [130.232.18.1]) by ra.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with ESMTP id IAA03831 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:22:45 +0200 Received: from stork (stork.abo.fi [130.232.208.92]) by aton.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id IAA01521 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:20:00 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:20:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199410030620.IAA01521@aton.abo.fi> X-Sender: akilpinen@linus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Antti.Kilpinen@abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen) Subject: Re: sytps113 on 750 X-Mailer: >I downloaded the 1.13 version of the system disk this weekend (SYTPS113) >and went through the process of installing it on my TP750C. There was no >documentation with this version (as there has been in the past) giving >any sort of indication as to what was fixed/changed, etc. I found that >when I actually attempted the install, it informed me that there was >nothing to do. Apparently, the BIOS for the 750 series has not changed >from version 1.12 to 1.13. > >Just thought folks would like to know, before going to the trouble >themselves. > >Ron. > I have two 750s that I've recently updated with 1.12 and 1.13 i.e. two machines with different levels on them now. The machine with 1.12 works OK, but the one with 1.13 has got a strange behavior that I've not been able to track. On this 750, when I quit MS-Windows 3.1, the machine warm boots when receivin ANY kind of keyboard or mouse input. This happens in about 90% of cases. Before I've found out if I've got simultaneously a HW fault I'd strongly discourage the 750 owners from updating to 1.13. (I did this from level 1.07). Is there any way to update a TP to a lower sys disk level. (OK I've tried >from 1.13 to 1.12 and that might be the problem.) From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 02:14:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08757 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:03:25 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13410; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:29:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:29:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ra.abo.fi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13400; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:29:55 -0400 Received: from aton.abo.fi (aton.abo.fi [130.232.18.1]) by ra.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with ESMTP id IAA04142 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:30:07 +0200 Received: from stork (stork.abo.fi [130.232.208.92]) by aton.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id IAA01738 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:27:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:27:21 +0200 Message-Id: <199410030627.IAA01738@aton.abo.fi> X-Sender: akilpinen@linus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Antti.Kilpinen@abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen) Subject: Re: sytps113.exe X-Mailer: >> Well, at least the 360 can be reactivated from suspend while PCMCIA-ethernet >> card is active and transformator was plugged in. In 1.12 this didt work >> (unless you had susspended the machine while running on battery). > >I know several people that will be happy to hear this! >Have you tried a modem? >-- >Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com > | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) > I take my words back. When I wrote the message reporting that the 1.13 fixes my suspend probleem I really thought it did, and I had worked with it a couple of days, thinking it was OK. Now it DON't work any more. I've must have done something different that time,(mayby suspended while running on a battery). I'm sorry about any false hope I've raised in 360 users. From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 02:44:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10119 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:18:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13891; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:36:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:36:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ra.abo.fi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13881; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 02:36:01 -0400 Received: from aton.abo.fi (aton.abo.fi [130.232.18.1]) by ra.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with ESMTP id IAA04228 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:36:12 +0200 Received: from stork (stork.abo.fi [130.232.208.92]) by aton.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id IAA01826 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:33:25 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:33:25 +0200 Message-Id: <199410030633.IAA01826@aton.abo.fi> X-Sender: akilpinen@linus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Antti.Kilpinen@abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen) Subject: RE: Hard-drive upgrades: success story X-Mailer: >In message Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:04:17 -0400, > kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) writes: > >> Several respondents will be interested >> to hear that bios 1.13 does not permit 32 bit access in windows, even >> with smaller partitions. > >Windows 32-bit access bypasses the BIOS entirely, so no BIOS update will >fix it. Microsoft has to fix it. > Are you talking abot 750's. On a 360 I can check a 32-bit button in the control panel, but not on the 750s. Our 750s run on PC-DOS 6.1, the 360s on 6.3. I dont know if the Windows versions are the same. From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 11:55:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23108 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:35:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12949; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:51:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:51:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12922; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:51:07 -0400 Received: from kress_pc.ciw.edu by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA12706; Mon, 3 Oct 94 08:49:51 EDT Message-Id: <9410031249.AA12706@gl.ciw.edu> X-Sender: kress@gl.ciw.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 08:49:59 -0400 To: Antti.Kilpinen@abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen), TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: RE: Hard-drive upgrades: success story X-Mailer: At 08:33 AM 10/3/94 +0200, Antti Kilpinen wrote: >>In message Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:04:17 -0400, >> kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) writes: >> >>> Several respondents will be interested >>> to hear that bios 1.13 does not permit 32 bit access in windows, even >>> with smaller partitions. >> >>Windows 32-bit access bypasses the BIOS entirely, so no BIOS update will >>fix it. Microsoft has to fix it. >> > >Are you talking abot 750's. On a 360 I can check a 32-bit button in the >control panel, but not on the 750s. Our 750s run on PC-DOS 6.1, the 360s on >6.3. I dont know if the Windows versions are the same. > I was refering specifically to drives >512 Megs. I suspect that this is a problem with all TP's but I was dealing with a 750. I would guess that your 360 has a disk drive <512 meg and the 750 >512 meg. ---------------------------------------------------------- Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202)686-2410 x2489 ---------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 11:55:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08219 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:26:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16378; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:45:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:45:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16339; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:45:14 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02085; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:44:38 MDT Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:44:38 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410031344.AA02085@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: sytps113.exe >>>Well, at least the 360 can be reactivated from suspend while PCMCIA-ethernet >>>card is active and transformator was plugged in. In 1.12 this didt work >>>(unless you had susspended the machine while running on battery). >>I know several people that will be happy to hear this! >>Have you tried a modem? >>-- >>Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com >> | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) >I take my words back. When I wrote the message reporting that the 1.13 fixes >my suspend probleem I really thought it did, and I had worked with it a couple >of days, thinking it was OK. Now it DON't work any more. I've must have done >something different that time,(mayby suspended while running on a battery). >I'm sorry about any false hope I've raised in 360 users. 1.13 hasn't fixed anything relative to system lockup when accessing PCMCIA devices after return from suspend/hibernation (at least not on the TP360). I was hopeful after reading the above comments, but the problem persists. When is IBM going to get around to fixing this?? - Karl Yeanoplos Denver, CO. From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 11:56:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08413 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 10:47:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22245; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 10:57:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 10:57:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22233; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 10:57:23 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qrooY-0004tmC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:56 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qrooX-0009b1C; Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:56 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrooW-0002wvC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:56 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: sytps113.exe To: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:56:28 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9410031344.AA02085@amazon.den.mmc.com> from "Karl Yeanoplos" at Oct 3, 94 07:44:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1.13 hasn't fixed anything relative to system lockup when > accessing PCMCIA devices after return from suspend/hibernation (at > least not on the TP360). I was hopeful after reading the above > comments, but the problem persists. When is IBM going to get around > to fixing this?? It is not clear that IBM even considers this as a problem. The user's manual for the 750 suggests that what you are seeing is correct behavior. The manual is quoted every time this issue comes up. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 11:56:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10579 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:43:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26546; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:49:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:49:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26536; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:49:23 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02306; Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:48:48 MDT Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:48:48 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410031548.AA02306@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: sytps113.exe >> 1.13 hasn't fixed anything relative to system lockup when >> accessing PCMCIA devices after return from suspend/hibernation (at >> least not on the TP360). I was hopeful after reading the above >> comments, but the problem persists. When is IBM going to get around >> to fixing this?? > It is not clear that IBM even considers this as a problem. The user's > manual for the 750 suggests that what you are seeing is correct > behavior. The manual is quoted every time this issue comes up. I believe the manual for the 360 says that that PCMCIA device may not be recognized following return from suspend/hibernation. It is then suggested that the card be removed/replaced to resume normal operation. I'm not sure the manual implies that complete system lockup is normal behavior, but I have to admit that this issue isn't directly addressed. It just seems strange to me that IBM would consider a system hang as "normal behavior". In fact, behavior which requires a reboot after attempting to resume or "un-hibernate" seems to defeat the purpose of the suspend/hibernate function altogether. I don't know about IBM, but I most definitely do NOT consider this normal behavior........... - Karl Yeanoplos Denver, CO. From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 11:56:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12551 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:47:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26246; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:45:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:45:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mfmail.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26226; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:45:23 -0400 From: Received: from ibm3172e.mfltd.co.uk by mfmail.mfltd.co.uk with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA05212; Mon, 3 Oct 94 16:46:16 GMT Message-Id: <9410031646.AA05212@mfmail.mfltd.co.uk> Received: from NWB.RSCS by NWB.MFLTD.CO.UK (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4227; Mon, 03 Oct 94 16:44:51 BST Date: Mon, 03 Oct 94 16:44:51 BST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: External keyboards ======================================================================= From: D. Gwyn Jones Fileshare 2 development, Products Group. DGJ at NWB, GBHFFWHF at IBMMAIL, e-mail: dgj@mfltd.co.uk Subject: External keyboards I don't have a docking station for my TP755C, but use and external monitor, keyboard and mouse plugged directly into the TP sockets. As you know, there isn't actually a socket for an external keyboard, just one for the mouse. You have to get an adaptor which accepts a keyboard and mouse and plugs into the external socket itself. I use one of these adaptors and could swear it misses the odd keystroke. Lets face it - you know if you've glanced a key - you check the screen instinctively, but every now and then I'll hit a key cleanly and it doesn't take. I've tried just sitting there hitting keys to see if one goes missing and can't reproduce it, but whenever it happens out of the blue it's blindingly obvious. I'm positive I'm not mistaken. I don't know how the adaptor works in being able to provide keyboard and mouse events simultaneously through the same input, but could they be interfering? Has anyone else spotted this who uses and external keyboard and mouse? Regards, Gwyn. Micro Focus Ltd Tel. (44) (0)1635 565294 26 West Street Fax. (44) (0)1635 565567 Extension 5294 Newbury RG13 1JT U.K. "PROFS MAX. Seen it, done it, doing it next century. Using mail to the MAX." From ???@??? Tue Oct 04 01:54:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02983 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:54:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14007; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 15:49:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 15:49:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13998; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 15:49:51 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id PAA03349; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 15:48:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199410031948.PAA03349@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Cc: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List), moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: sytps113.exe In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Oct 1994 12:59:55 CDT." Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 15:48:40 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > > I'm not sure the manual implies that complete system > > lockup is normal behavior, but I have to admit that this issue > > isn't directly addressed. It just seems strange to me that IBM > > would consider a system hang as "normal behavior". In fact, behavior > > which requires a reboot after attempting to resume or "un-hibernate" > > seems to defeat the purpose of the suspend/hibernate function > > altogether. > > The problem is that the system locks up in the device driver. > > > I don't know about IBM, but I most definitely do NOT > > consider this normal behavior........... >From what I understand of PCMCIA, this is not something that can be addressed in the BIOS, unless (that is) you want the BIOS to leave the PCMCIA cards powered-up while in suspend mode. It is up to the PCMCIA device driver to realize that a machine has awakened >from suspend mode and re-initialize the device. The BIOS doesn't know anything about the PCMCIA card and so lacks the necessary information to do the re-initialization. For my own system, I hacked an existing NetBSD Ethernet driver to work with IBM's PCMCIA ethernet card. It has no problems recovering from suspend mode. By a happy accident, it turned out that the driver already had code to re-initialize the ethernet chip when certain errors occured. Such an error was produced immediately upon trying to send a packet after re-awakening. Keith From ???@??? Tue Oct 04 01:54:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11829 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 17:16:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18425; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:42:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:42:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18414; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:42:19 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02402; Mon, 3 Oct 94 14:41:40 MDT Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 14:41:40 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410032041.AA02402@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: sytps113.exe > > > I'm not sure the manual implies that complete system > > > lockup is normal behavior, but I have to admit that this issue > > > isn't directly addressed. It just seems strange to me that IBM > > > would consider a system hang as "normal behavior". In fact, behavior > > > which requires a reboot after attempting to resume or "un-hibernate" > > > seems to defeat the purpose of the suspend/hibernate function > > > altogether. > > The problem is that the system locks up in the device driver. > > > I don't know about IBM, but I most definitely do NOT > > > consider this normal behavior........... > From what I understand of PCMCIA, this is not something that can be > addressed in the BIOS, unless (that is) you want the BIOS to leave > the PCMCIA cards powered-up while in suspend mode. > It is up to the PCMCIA device driver to realize that a machine has awakened > from suspend mode and re-initialize the device. The BIOS doesn't know > anything about the PCMCIA card and so lacks the necessary information to do > the re-initialization. Sounds reasonable to me, but -- This doesn't explain why the re-initialization works fine when running on battery and not at all when running on AC. This may very well be a problem with PCMCIA device driver implementation, but how would the driver know what power source is being utilized? This has the feel of an APM problem to me, and since APM resides in the BIOS on all Thinkpads, I've been led to believe that it is the BIOS which is broken. Maybe IBM is as confused as I am, and this explains the lack of progress towards providing a fix..... From ???@??? Tue Oct 04 13:32:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15235 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 02:42:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29115; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 02:53:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 02:53:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ra.abo.fi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29105; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 02:53:43 -0400 Received: from aton.abo.fi (aton.abo.fi [130.232.18.1]) by ra.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with ESMTP id IAA04497 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:53:53 +0200 Received: from stork (stork.abo.fi [130.232.208.92]) by aton.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id IAA29348 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:51:05 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:51:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199410040651.IAA29348@aton.abo.fi> X-Sender: akilpinen@linus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Antti.Kilpinen@abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen) Subject: Re: sytps113.exe X-Mailer: >> It is up to the PCMCIA device driver to realize that a machine has awakened >> from suspend mode and re-initialize the device. The BIOS doesn't know >> anything about the PCMCIA card and so lacks the necessary information to do >> the re-initialization. > > > > Sounds reasonable to me, but -- > >This doesn't explain why the re-initialization works fine when >running on battery and not at all when running on AC. This may >very well be a problem with PCMCIA device driver implementation, >but how would the driver know what power source is being utilized? > >This has the feel of an APM problem to me, and since APM resides >in the BIOS on all Thinkpads, I've been led to believe that it >is the BIOS which is broken. > >Maybe IBM is as confused as I am, and this explains the lack of progress >towards providing a fix..... > Meanwhile, unplug the AC when suspend a 360 first time after system startup. (I usually do an unnecessary suspend to be sure that I run on batteries). You may plug the AC back before awakening from suspend. Thereafter you may also suspend while running on AC. BTW, How can the machine suspend properly while running on battery? The PCMCIA-ethernet works still fine after resume. -antti From ???@??? Tue Oct 04 13:32:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10805 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:43:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03055; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:20:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:20:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03033; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:20:39 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qsAib-0004tlC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:19 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qsAia-0009b5C; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:19 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsAiZ-0002wvC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:19 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: sytps113.exe To: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:19:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9410041351.AA02960@amazon.den.mmc.com> from "Karl Yeanoplos" at Oct 4, 94 07:51:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm not sure if it's a matter of not understanding or maybe just refusing > to acknowledge the problem. > > This particular bug has been known to members of the mailing list for > months, so it's hard to believe that IBM would be unaware of the problem. > Yet, on the one occasion that I spoke to IBM tech support about it, they > claimed no prior knowledge. It's hard to find a solution when you > won't admit there's a problem. This is similar to IBM not supplying a driver for WWG 3.11 which will allow extended IDE based drives to be used with 32bit disk AND file access. IBM claims it's Microsoft's problem. Microsoft says it's the HW suppliers problem. On the other hand PS/1 and Options By IBM are supplying drivers for their drives. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Tue Oct 04 13:32:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:03:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06046; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:57:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:57:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06036; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:57:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA07233 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 00:57:20 +1000 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 00:57:14 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Re: sytps113.exe To: tp750 In-Reply-To: <199410040651.IAA29348@aton.abo.fi> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry but I missed the initial problem. Can someone explain to me exactly where the 360 is supposed to crash? I've tried to reproduce it and can't. I have a 360 Mono with the system it shipped with (can't remember which one right now). The only problem I find is that if I've hibernated with the floppy drive in, and take the drive out and try to come out of hibernate, I run through about 4 errors. Cold booting without the floppy also gets a beep and about a 10 second wait. Is this normal behaviour? Do later system updates address this? One think that may be of interest: I can't remember the exact details now, but I think that when I tried to return from hibernate floppyless and got through the error codes, the power on password had been bypassed. Not so comforting to think it's that easy to circumvent. Cheers - Rohan. PS. Do any of you Australian subscribers know when the Megahertz X-Jack is going to hit our shores? Is Austel the holdup? From ???@??? Wed Oct 05 02:16:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08686 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:51:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28253; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:37:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:37:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28139; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:37:13 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA03008; Tue, 4 Oct 94 12:36:30 MDT Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 12:36:30 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410041836.AA03008@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: sytps113.exe > Sorry but I missed the initial problem. > Can someone explain to me exactly where the 360 is supposed to crash? Here is the condensed version: On the TP360 and TP75X series, hibernation while running on AC power will cause one of the following upon attempting to access any PCMCIA device during subsequent "wake-up": a) PCMCIA device will not be recognized by the system. Required action is to remove/replace the PCMCIA card or restart the computer. b) System will lock-up hard; i.e., CTRL-ALT-DEL is ineffective and the reset button must be pressed in order to recover. If "wake-up" is initiated while on battery power, system will respond as described by (a); if initiated while on AC power, system will respond as described by (b).** Note that in either case, a restart is required (unless you feel that it is less trouble to remove/replace the card - I don't!), effectively defeating the whole purpose of hibernation. > I've tried to reproduce it and can't. Note that this will not be reproducible without a PCMCIA device. Also, others have reported similar problems with the suspend/resume feature. Maybe someone more familiar with that problem can help you, as I don't believe I've encountered it in using only a modem. - Karl Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. Denver, CO. ** There are probably other combinations (such as hibernate on battery power, wake-up on AC power) that I have not tried which may produce other results. These are the reproducible symptoms that I have discovered courtesy of my 360. -key From ???@??? Wed Oct 05 02:16:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26583 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:52:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09992; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:23:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:23:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09960; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:22:00 -0400 Received: from top.cis.syr.EDU by lohengrin.top.cis.syr.edu id aa00838; 4 Oct 94 21:17 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Yen-Chiun Tseng Subject: PCMCIA RAM card & IC-DRAM card To: ThinkPad750 Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, Could someone tell me what is the difference of PCMCIA RAM card and IC-DRAM card? I know they have to be put in memory slot and PCMCIA slot, but is this the only difference? Is the PCMCIA RAM card same as S-RAM card? From what I saw, the Simple Technology claims their PCMCIA RAM cards just add to the amount of memory you already have on your laptop. If this is true, I would say the memory on Thinkpad can be expanded to 4+32+32+16=84 MB totally, right?!!!! So, does anyone try to add a PCMCIA RAM card on your TP? I would like to know how it works. Any idea? -yc From ???@??? Wed Oct 05 02:16:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29732 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 23:02:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10310; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:29:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:29:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10299; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:29:44 -0400 Received: from top.cis.syr.EDU by lohengrin.top.cis.syr.edu id aa00941; 4 Oct 94 21:25 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:25:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Yen-Chiun Tseng Subject: About IBMVESA directory To: ThinkPad750 Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Just a quick question. How can I put the 'IBMVESA' directory under other directory like 'C:\DRIVERS\IBMVESA'? I don't like 'C:\IBMVESA':-) Hope this is not a stupid question. Thanks! -yc From ???@??? Wed Oct 05 02:16:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15571 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 00:12:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17738; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 00:10:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 00:10:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.crl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17716; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 00:10:13 -0400 Received: from crl6.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA26779 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:08:20 -0700 Received: by crl6.crl.com id AA16989 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:10:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 21:06:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael A. Fischer" Subject: Re: sytps113.exe To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410041836.AA03008@amazon.den.mmc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My problem with Hibernate comes when I hibernate while on battery and try to resume after I've connected my machine to the Port Extender. I get an Error 950 which IBM tells me is a configuration change error. The problem is that this little "buglet" makes the machine unusable as far as hibernation is concerned when connecting to and from the Port Extender. And it is impossible to connect to and from without shutting off the machine. So, I'm stuck shutting down, rather than hibernating and resuming. Does anyone have a work around this one? From ???@??? Wed Oct 05 02:16:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26920 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:00:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21274; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:09:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:09:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21263; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:09:47 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA13887 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:09:39 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA39974; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:09:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: Yen-Chiun Tseng Cc: ThinkPad750 Mailing List Subject: Re: PCMCIA RAM card & IC-DRAM card In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Yen-Chiun Tseng wrote: > Could someone tell me what is the difference of PCMCIA RAM card > and IC-DRAM card? PCMCIA Ram is not added to the amount of Ram installed on your computer. You can only use it as a Ramdisk or for other types of temporary storage. You also need to use device drivers to access PCMCIA ram cards while Dram does not need drivers. JH From ???@??? Wed Oct 05 02:16:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29220 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:12:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21437; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:12:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:12:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21426; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:12:11 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA25101; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:12:02 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA09815; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:11:54 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410050511.WAA09815@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: About IBMVESA directory To: yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu (Yen-Chiun Tseng) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Yen-Chiun Tseng" at Oct 4, 94 09:25:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Just a quick question. > How can I put the 'IBMVESA' directory under other directory like > 'C:\DRIVERS\IBMVESA'? I don't like 'C:\IBMVESA':-) Hope this is > not a stupid question. Thanks! The boring and standard way would be to create a directory "Drivers" then a subdirectory "IBMVESA", then copy everything from your other directory into the new one, and delete the old one. The snazzy way would be to just move the whole directory with the help of a utility. Xtree does this nicely with the "graft" command. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Oct 05 02:17:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07413 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:07:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24095; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:17:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:17:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24085; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:17:44 -0400 Received: from top.cis.syr.EDU by lohengrin.top.cis.syr.edu id aa06658; 5 Oct 94 2:12 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:12:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Yen-Chiun Tseng Subject: Re: About IBMVESA directory To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP In-Reply-To: <199410050511.WAA09815@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > Just a quick question. > > How can I put the 'IBMVESA' directory under other directory like > > 'C:\DRIVERS\IBMVESA'? I don't like 'C:\IBMVESA':-) Hope this is > > not a stupid question. Thanks! > > The boring and standard way would be to create a directory "Drivers" > then a subdirectory "IBMVESA", then copy everything from your other directory > into the new one, and delete the old one. But the problem is, VESA.EXE will find FRATE.DAT in default directory DRIVE:\IBMVESA, isn't it? > > The snazzy way would be to just move the whole directory with the > help of a utility. Xtree does this nicely with the "graft" command. > > ----- ________________________________ > Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | > USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| > (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | > right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | > -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:41:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08558 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:19:32 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24863; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:25:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:25:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ra.abo.fi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24847; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:25:09 -0400 Received: from aton.abo.fi (aton.abo.fi [130.232.18.1]) by ra.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with ESMTP id IAA08632 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:25:18 +0200 Received: from stork (stork.abo.fi [130.232.208.92]) by aton.abo.fi (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id IAA14729 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:22:30 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:22:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199410050622.IAA14729@aton.abo.fi> X-Sender: akilpinen@linus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Antti.Kilpinen@abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen) Subject: Re: sytps113.exe X-Mailer: > > >> I've tried to reproduce it and can't. > > >Note that this will not be reproducible without a PCMCIA device. >Also, others have reported similar problems with the suspend/resume >feature. Maybe someone more familiar with that problem can help >you, as I don't believe I've encountered it in using only a modem. > > > > - Karl Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com > Martin Marietta Corp. My suspend/resume problem: IF (IBM-PCMCIA-Ethernet card installed) AND (ethernet-drivers loaded) AND (password set (I have both startup and HD)) AND (first suspend after system startup while AC plugged) THEN press reset button Remove any of these constrains and the suspend resume cycle works correctly. I believe the the system hangs while asking for the password since the second led from right is blinking. Antti Kilpinen, Ph.D (Chem.Eng.) Research Fellow Institute for Advanced Management Systems Research Abo Akademi University, DataCity FIN-20520 Turku From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:41:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10733 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:48:52 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25853; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:42:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:42:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25798; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:41:58 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA15552 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:41:55 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA10439; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:42:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:42:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Do you have an IBM ThinkPad? (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Seems like good prices, has anyone dealt with this guy before? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 OCT 1994 05:28:58 GMT From: Brian Haberstroh Newgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other, comp.sys.laptops Subject: Do you have an IBM ThinkPad? If you have a ThinkPad, then maybe I have some peripherals for you. 3 - IBM PCMCIA 14400 data/fax modems (IBM Model# FC3635) $125 each (shipped Fed Ex) 2 - IBM 16meg IC DRAM cards (part number# 66G0093) $495 each (shipped Fed Ex) 2 - IBM ThinkPad Batteries (part number# 66G2820) $100 each (shipped Fed Ex) These are all new. I will sell to the first people who give me an address and phone number for shipping. I will give a 30day personal satisfaction guarantee. Thank you, Brian Haberstroh Brian Haberstroh From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:41:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22008 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:28:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27675; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:44:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:44:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mfmail.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27665; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:44:23 -0400 Received: from dvs486.mfltd.co.uk by mfmail.mfltd.co.uk with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA17981; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:45:02 GMT Received: from twdev4 by dvs486.mfltd.co.uk (5.65/1.0) id AA04954; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:40:03 GMT Received: by twdev4.mfltd.co.uk (5.65/1.0) id AA13381; Wed, 5 Oct 94 12:38:29 GMT Message-Id: <9410051238.AA13381@twdev4.mfltd.co.uk> From: secw@mfltd.co.uk (Sam Warwick) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:38:29 BST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Portable CD ROM with TP755 Can anyone recommend a good portable CD-ROM drive that can be used with a TP755 in OS/2 and Windows? Thanks. -- Sam Warwick SECW at NWB GBHFFXRF at IBMMAIL Testware Development secw@mfltd.co.uk Micro Focus, Newbury (Tel.: 01635 565361) "Relax. Don't worry. Have a homebrew." - Anon. From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07407 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:43:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08438; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:58:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:58:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08427; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:58:53 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA03318; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:58:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:58:43 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410051458.AA03318@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: ethernet cards for OS/2 use what is the best recommendation for an ethernet PCMCIA card for 755C + OS/2 ? From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28469 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:25:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10444; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:26:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:26:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10427; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:25:59 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qsYEq-0004tzC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:26 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qsYEp-0009b1C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:26 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsYEo-0002wvC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:26 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: About IBMVESA directory To: yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu (Yen-Chiun Tseng) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:26:37 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: from "Yen-Chiun Tseng" at Oct 4, 94 09:25:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Just a quick question. > How can I put the 'IBMVESA' directory under other directory like > 'C:\DRIVERS\IBMVESA'? I don't like 'C:\IBMVESA':-) Hope this is > not a stupid question. Thanks! Not stupid at all. You can't move it. The software has hard coded into it the path! -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06657 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:41:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12895; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:57:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:57:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hk.super.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12641; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:54:38 -0400 Received: by hk.super.net id AA26903 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:54:10 +0800 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:54:10 +0800 From: "Mr. Tony K Ng" Message-Id: <199410051554.AA26903@hk.super.net> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU >Seems like good prices, has anyone dealt with this guy before? > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 3 OCT 1994 05:28:58 GMT >From: Brian Haberstroh >Newgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other, comp.sys.laptops >Subject: Do you have an IBM ThinkPad? > > >If you have a ThinkPad, then maybe I have some peripherals for you. > > 3 - IBM PCMCIA 14400 data/fax modems (IBM Model# FC3635) > > $125 each (shipped Fed Ex) > > > 2 - IBM 16meg IC DRAM cards (part number# 66G0093) > > $495 each (shipped Fed Ex) > > > 2 - IBM ThinkPad Batteries (part number# 66G2820) > > $100 each (shipped Fed Ex) > > >These are all new. I will sell to the first people who give me an >address and phone number for shipping. I will give a 30day personal >satisfaction guarantee. > >Thank you, > >Brian Haberstroh >Brian Haberstroh > I am going to buy a 750 mic from him. Was gonna buy an 8M RAM also, but found that it doesn't work on my 750C. -Tony From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04560 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:43:43 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22475; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:06:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:06:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22464; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:06:29 -0400 Received: from top.cis.syr.EDU by lohengrin.top.cis.syr.edu id aa16844; 5 Oct 94 14:02 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:02:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Yen-Chiun Tseng Subject: Re: Portable CD ROM with TP755 To: Sam Warwick Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410051238.AA13381@twdev4.mfltd.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Sam Warwick wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a good portable CD-ROM drive that can be used > with a TP755 in OS/2 and Windows? As far as I know, there are two PORTABLE CD-ROM drives, NEC 3Xp and Zenith Z-Player. The Zenith Z-Player needs a Type-II PCMCIA slot. So, I'm not sure it will work under OS/2 or not. I really think the question is how to connect your CD-ROM drive to your TP755 if you plan to use PCMCIA SCSI card. I use Dock I to connect my CD-ROM drive, and it works great in OS/2 and Windows. Of course, you could get a Dock I with optional CD-ROM drive. Just a question come into my mind, that is why IBM don't have their PCMCIA SCSI card (of course, it should be OS/2 supported)? Recently, IBM just announces their audio card (the only audio card can work in OS/2 so far), but how about the SCSI card? Hope I can see one in the near future:-) Does anyone know why? -yc > > Thanks. > > -- > Sam Warwick SECW at NWB GBHFFXRF at IBMMAIL > Testware Development secw@mfltd.co.uk > Micro Focus, Newbury (Tel.: 01635 565361) > "Relax. Don't worry. Have a homebrew." - Anon. From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16366 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:07:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24835; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:30:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:30:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nash.pubnix.qc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24782; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:30:14 -0400 Received: by nash.pubnix.qc.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA05447; Wed, 5 Oct 94 14:21:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:20:31 +0005 ($BE) From: Andre Laurendeau Subject: Re: ethernet cards for OS/2 use To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410051458.AA03318@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Robert Dewar wrote: > > what is the best recommendation for an ethernet PCMCIA card for > 755C + OS/2 ? NOT XIRCOM !!!! Their OS/2 support is really bad. The NDIS drivers just son't work, and the ODI driver doesn't work with socket services. Andre :==============================================================: : Andre Laurendeau | Le Reseau Electronique du : : Avocat/Lawyer | Montreal Metropolitain : : (514) 278-1664 | (514) 990-REMM (990-7366) : : andrel@pubnix.qc.ca | Free-Net@remm.uqam.ca : :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~: : 1030 Beaubien e. #201, Montreal, Canada, H2S 1T4 : :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~: : REMM - Le FreeNet de Montreal | REMM - Montreal's FreeNet : :==============================================================: From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25607 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:29:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25703; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:43:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:43:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GRUMPY.USU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25661; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:43:31 -0400 Received: from 129.123.1.129 (ppp22.nb2.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V4.2-13 #7446) id <01HHX0AF6HYODFDZPV@cc.usu.edu>; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:00:38 MDT Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 11:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Parker Subject: RE: About IBMVESA directory Sender: Bryan Parker To: Yen-Chiun Tseng Cc: Think Pad Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >> Just a quick question. >> How can I put the 'IBMVESA' directory under other directory like >> 'C:\DRIVERS\IBMVESA'? I don't like 'C:\IBMVESA':-) Hope this is >> not a stupid question. Thanks! > >Not stupid at all. > >You can't move it. The software has hard coded into it the path! >-- >Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com > | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) You can make it a hidden directory and not have to look at it. This is what I have done. Bryan Parker E-mail: slcvw@cc.usu.edu -------------------------------------------------------- "Almost everything we do is insignificant. But it is very important that we do it." Mahatma Gandhi From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21092 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:22:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29469; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:36:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:36:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29456; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:36:42 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qsc9c-0004u0C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 14:37 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qsc9b-0009b1C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 14:37 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsc9Z-0002wvC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 14:37 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Portable CD ROM with TP755 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:37:29 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "Yen-Chiun Tseng" at Oct 5, 94 02:02:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As far as I know, there are two PORTABLE CD-ROM drives, NEC 3Xp and > Zenith Z-Player. The Zenith Z-Player needs a Type-II PCMCIA slot. So, > I'm not sure it will work under OS/2 or not. > I really think the question is how to connect your CD-ROM drive to > your TP755 if you plan to use PCMCIA SCSI card. I use Dock I to connect > my CD-ROM drive, and it works great in OS/2 and Windows. Of course, > you could get a Dock I with optional CD-ROM drive. > Just a question come into my mind, that is why IBM don't have their > PCMCIA SCSI card (of course, it should be OS/2 supported)? Recently, > IBM just announces their audio card (the only audio card can work in > OS/2 so far), but how about the SCSI card? Hope I can see one in the > near future:-) Does anyone know why? The Trantor PCMCIA SCSI card may be the first to offer OS/2 support. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01559 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:48:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03504; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:25:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:25:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03480; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:25:31 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxkir18609; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:25:18 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03547; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:22:18 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA27982; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:26:27 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26680; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:23:13 PDT Message-Id: <9410052023.AA26680@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Portable CD ROM with TP755 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Oct 94 14:37:29 CDT." X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 94 13:23:13 -0700 From: Bruce Reed > The Trantor PCMCIA SCSI card may be the first to offer OS/2 support. Supposedly the Adaptec SLIM-SCSI claims OS/2 support. I think with the release of OS/2 3.0 you'll see a lot more. They're bundling in a working card and socket services and I know Qlogic for one is planning to support it. They tell me though that current owners of the FAST-SCSI PCMCIA card are out of luck because their preliminary WARP driver was quite buggy and they found that they could only produce a reliable driver by changing the PCMCIA chip in their card. Their going to go with this chip in their next release of the FAST-SCSI. --Bruce From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17393 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:56:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13474; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:33:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:33:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13464; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:33:28 -0400 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id PAA05924; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:32:43 -0700 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199410052232.PAA05924@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Is anyone else having problems w/ mouse (ms mouse) + dock ii + tp750c? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:32:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the question. I don't get a mouse prompt when I redock my thinkpad 750c to the dock ii. Err...mouse prompt...well...you know what I mean...the thinkpad can't find the mouse at all (trackpoint OR external). Very annonying. I have to disengage the mouse cable from te dock ii while it's active (thereby locking up the keyboard as a side effect), then plug the cable back in, then restart to get the mouse to be recognized. Arrgh! From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26124 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:02:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29497; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:06:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:06:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29481; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:06:22 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA11815; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 22:06:19 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:06:48 -0800 (PST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <83208.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Question on the 32 RAM upgrade for the TP 750..... Well, here's one answer: In message Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:10:40 JST, Ken Inoue writes: > John, > The 32MB DIMM doesn't work with the 750, sorry. However there is at > least one memory card vendor (named Apricorn) that offers a 32MB IC > DRAM card, which *reportedly* works on a 750. You may want to call the > memory card vendor(s) to make sure their card works. As IBM doesn't > officially endorse use of an OEM 32MB memory card in a 750 I can't > comment in public... > > Best regards, > Ken Inoue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 00:42:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05502 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:40:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01871; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:44:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:44:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01860; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:44:11 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id UAA22472; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:43:28 -0700 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199410060343.UAA22472@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Is anyone else having problems w/ mouse (ms mouse) + dock ii + tp750c? To: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: from "Scott Stratmoen" at Oct 5, 94 10:42:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > That's the question. I don't get a mouse prompt when I redock my > > thinkpad 750c to the dock ii. Err...mouse prompt...well...you know what > > I mean...the thinkpad can't find the mouse at all (trackpoint OR > > external). Very annonying. I have to disengage the mouse cable from te > > dock ii while it's active (thereby locking up the keyboard as a side > > effect), then plug the cable back in, then restart to get the mouse to > > be recognized. Arrgh! > > The 750 only supports docking with power off. Right, I turn the computer off, dock, and then the mouse still doesn't work unless I disconnect the cable and plug it back in. From ???@??? Mon Oct 03 11:56:03 1994 Received: from SERV02.SLAC.Stanford.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28151 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:17:29 -0500 Received: from llewelyn.SLAC.Stanford.EDU by SERV02.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-8 #6987) id <01HHU1VX88340000EO@SERV02.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>; Mon, 03 Oct 1994 09:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by llewelyn.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (NX5.67d/NX3.0S) id AA25970; Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:14:17 -0700 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 09:14:17 -0700 From: "Roger M. Jones" Subject: Re: NextStep on TP755 To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Message-Id: <9410031614.AA25970@llewelyn.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> X-Envelope-To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Next-Attachment: .tar.828.Re__NextStep_on_TP75.attach, 2485, 1/1, 3432, 0 begin 666 .tar.828.Re__NextStep_on_TP75.attach M'YV0:=R0*8/'A1PZ9@`H7,BPH<.'$"-*G$BQ(HB+-FC0``'@X@P:,&!PO$A2 M9$>2)&/(L"'C8HV,(%?>B' (T;'SM6W,FSI\^?0(,*'4JTJ-&C2),FW\8?/F(-<=3 M8BZ`$(0;>8#@&!S\@2"6>2"(40:"$688!AQP.#9&&F%`2$8(#$Y7W7\!>@?> M&L3=418=:(PH55@1@D#'&T*B,18(<5`V7AKLH0#>'6%D6%B1([[!8X0IL!`C MAV6$,<>(;*P%0ALCXOC&'0+^!X);;H3GQAALU#%0>'2X.6:&1@01A0LQMN!G MC%-TV>80:+Q11XQSC%%H'4#4D49]+BAVZ(Q#D``"3C;@QH(,,70:XZDD9!"62````8`-"!&&!=G/*2]'7^\4!8)1%PR M5REKS++'#66AP,@3<_7&OS#'.("\``!H`."#&>$%OW#)#63"@DP4/1J@O M6VHU?;/+`&31@,P,%$IF"R?+,337(#O`LP./TM7"''29=S;4#P#`Q\1UL<5T M&G3!,3?($`!`!@`(H&&V#']#'0$`*`#``=SEL=%"$%\@4=X;7PP1N6)?&.$8 MP$_G+`$`%!#.892)OSP!Z0`H<'H>,=20NE*TUV[[[;CGKOONO/?N^^_`!R_\ M\,07;_SQR">O//*A`X!%+CP_,&^+/QE&\8`&!"_=87*SG,JH0<7`@6B!'#R-5E#&S95P2+ MP3,&K(\)F]P`01'Z;QI:+)U4:A"$)90!!>H`0YE.,,;J<%`;X)3GN6K1D'K\,ULSJ!\ MU@``%"9&)O+(``/E2G]"M=3>MP4Q<<=JBQ",!, ME18Y@U#HL2ZLA5&[A%3'?K$;`4#%S*#J`JG>P;,F]$;T*AJ&',``-QN]*TB% M^(UFMJY'81C();<'#IU4H`Y13!?'NBC,>UUP=E@(AQ@)QP1TQ=-_SA/''^L' MA?+HZY,\JD,;Q/#%<9`4`]7-UWT@B49C0BB-:-`N=Z&+!7+XM@G`+8-VOZ!1 M&^0`O>I%;CD`0`32P?=+\\T1?K?[17.0=`-4Z)*B(D3)8,G!F&XXPX#7RT$L MG&.Z$?!\@.8@!(`K ` end From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 01:43:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26733 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:29:29 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08201; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:45:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:45:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08184; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:45:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199410060545.BAA08184@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-48.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24141; Thu, 6 Oct 94 00:42:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 00:42:53 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Scuttlebutt on new TPs X-Mailer: I read from the grapevine that there are two new Thinkpads in production. One is an enhanced 755C with a DX4/100 CPU and enhanced screen. The other is the next model, 760(?), which is said to feature soundblaster compatible soundcard (finally), CD-ROM option in the disk drive bay, and faster CPUs. Of course, none of this is real info, so disregard this message. Oh, and one last piece of non-info, IBM is supposed to be cutting prices on the Thinkpad line. The 360 series has already been significantly reduced in price (that's a fact). --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 01:43:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28052 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:36:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08603; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:52:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:52:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08593; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:52:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199410060552.BAA08593@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-48.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24646; Thu, 6 Oct 94 00:50:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 00:50:26 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Portable CD ROM with TP755 X-Mailer: >The Trantor PCMCIA SCSI card may be the first to offer OS/2 support. Where did you hear this? I've heard that there has been problems with the way drivers are loaded or some funky thing. Has Trantor found a way around it? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 13:35:42 1994 Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com (dsd.northrop.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21669 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 08:42:16 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qst6D-0004tgC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:43 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qst6C-0009b1C; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:43 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qst6B-0002wvC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:43 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Scuttlebutt on new TPs To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 08:43:07 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199410060545.BAA08184@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sean Chou" at Oct 6, 94 00:42:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 770 > I read from the grapevine that there are two new Thinkpads in production. > One is an enhanced 755C with a DX4/100 CPU and enhanced screen. The > other is the next model, 760(?), which is said to feature soundblaster > compatible soundcard (finally), CD-ROM option in the disk drive bay, and > faster CPUs. Of course, none of this is real info, so disregard this > message. Oh, and one last piece of non-info, IBM is supposed to be > cutting prices on the Thinkpad line. The 360 series has already been > significantly reduced in price (that's a fact). This seems to match information I have from other sources. The sound is a DSP part which doubles as a modem. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Thu Oct 06 13:35:48 1994 Received: from SERV02.SLAC.Stanford.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22062 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:16:21 -0500 Received: from llewelyn.SLAC.Stanford.EDU by SERV02.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-8 #6987) id <01HHY8R5O9A80007LZ@SERV02.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>; Thu, 06 Oct 1994 09:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by llewelyn.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (NX5.67d/NX3.0S) id AA13380; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:13:48 -0700 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 09:13:48 -0700 From: "Roger M. Jones" Subject: Re: NextStep on TP755 To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Message-Id: <9410061613.AA13380@llewelyn.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> X-Envelope-To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Sean, Noone appears to have installed it! If I receive any further info I'll let you know. --- Yours, Roger (rmj@llewelyn.slac.stanford.edu) From ???@??? Fri Oct 07 01:32:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25716 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:25:03 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12620; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:41:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:41:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12593; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:41:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199410061841.OAA12593@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-11.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25561; Thu, 6 Oct 94 13:38:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 13:38:48 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Scuttlebutt on new TPs X-Mailer: >The sound is a DSP part which doubles as a modem. Should it then be IBM's MWave card? That would be quite nice as that features a number of other enhancements as well as software upgradeability. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Oct 07 01:32:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19416 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:04:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02915; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:56:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:56:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02903; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:56:10 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qt1kC-0004tkC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:57 CDT Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qt1kA-0009b5C; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:56 CDT Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt1k9-000BgwC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:56 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Scuttlebutt on new TPs To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:56:56 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199410061841.OAA12593@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sean Chou" at Oct 6, 94 01:38:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Should it then be IBM's MWave card? That would be quite nice as > that features a number of other enhancements as well as software > upgradeability. Not sure, but it's rumored that TI makes it. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Fri Oct 07 01:32:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24869 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:26:21 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04511; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:23:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:23:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04501; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:23:23 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qt2AX-0004tkC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:24 CDT Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qt2AV-0009b5C; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:24 CDT Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt2AU-000BgwC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:24 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: New Media Bus Toaster PCMCIA SCSI For Sale To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:24:10 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New Media Bus Toaster PCMCIA SCSI-2 card for sale, $225 or offer + shipping. Like new, only two months old. Features: - Corel SCSI Software - 2MB/sec sustained data transfer rate / 10MB/sec burst - Thin cable allows use of an adjacent SCSI slot - Centronics style cable included, SCSI-2 style cable available from New Media Reply by email to the address below, or call. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Fri Oct 07 09:53:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10284 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 02:28:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01427; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 02:25:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 02:25:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01415; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 02:25:51 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id XAA08250; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:25:14 -0700 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199410070625.XAA08250@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Is anyone else having problems w/ mouse (ms mouse) + dock ii + tp750c? To: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: from "Scott Stratmoen" at Oct 6, 94 08:46:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Right, I turn the computer off, dock, and then the mouse still doesn't > > work unless I disconnect the cable and plug it back in. > > What mouse are you using (shouldn't matter). I will try this again on my > dock II (I have an IBM minimouse though). > -- > Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com > | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) > Microsoft Mouse...the new one... Thanks for the help so far.. From ???@??? Fri Oct 07 19:08:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28746 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:27:25 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26735; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:51:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:51:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from post.demon.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26724; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:51:40 -0400 Received: from filct.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa19135; 7 Oct 94 15:41 GMT-60:00 From: "Mike O'Carroll" X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ethernet cards for OS/2 use Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 15:09:51 BST Message-Id: <9410071509.aa10400@hipass.filct.com> I use the IBM CC adaptor, and it works OK. But I admit this is a sample of one! Mike From ???@??? Fri Oct 07 19:08:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20209 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:13:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27185; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:59:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:59:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27165; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:58:52 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA20080 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:58:22 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21802; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:58:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Sytps113.doc Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here is the long awaited documentation for the 1.13 System disk. Apparently the only people who need this are 360/355 users, for 7xx users there appears to be no change, unless you have a Dock II. IBM ThinkPad System Program Service Diskette Ver 1.13 Oct. 4, 1994 ===================================================== What This Diskette Does ----------------------- This System Program Service diskette updates the system program stored in ROM of the following ThinkPad models: - ThinkPad 355, 355Cs, 355C. - ThinkPad 360, 360C, 360P and 360Cs. - ThinkPad 750, 750C, 750P, 750Cs and 750Ce - ThinkPad 755C and 755Cs If you are experiencing one of the problems listed in the following Summary of Problem Fixes section, please follow the instructions given in the Updating System Programs section below to update the system program of your ThinkPad 355/360/750/755 family computer. Summary of new function support ------------------------------- IBM ThinkPad Dock II Expansion Unit support - ThinkPad 360, 360C, 360P and 360Cs. - ThinkPad 750, 750C, 750P, 750Cs and 750Ce - ThinkPad 755C and 755Cs If you attach your ThinkPad to the IBM ThinkPad Dock II Expansion Unit, please use this level or higher, otherwise your ThinkPad will not work correctly. Please see the IBM ThinkPad Dock II Expansion Unit's User's Guide. Release Version --------------- Version 1.00 Add support for 750Cs; Fixes Version 1.01 Add support for A/D Video Converter; Fixes Version 1.02 Fixes Version 1.03 Add support for 750Ce Version 1.04 Add support for TV Tuner; Fixes Version 1.04a Fixes Version 1.05 Add support for HDD > 512MB and CDPD; Fixes Version 1.06 Add support for 755 and 355/360; Fixes Version 1.07 Fixes Version 1.07a Fixes Version 1.12 Add support for Dock 2; Fixes Version 1.13 Fixes BIOS P/N and Date Matrix ------------------------ 750/C/P/Cs 750Ce 755C/Cs 360/355/C/P/Cs Disk ---------------- ---------------- ---------------- ---------------- Ver P/N Date P/N Date P/N Date P/N Date ---- ------- -------- ------- -------- ------- -------- ------- -------- 1.00 59G3849 10-14-93 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 1.01 59G3966 11-19-93 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 1.02 59G3968 11-25-93 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 1.03 59G3970 12-20-93 89G4293 11-22-93 N/A N/A N/A N/A 1.04 59G3980 02-28-94 89G4576 02-15-94 N/A N/A N/A N/A 1.04a 59G3985 03-01-94 " " N/A N/A N/A N/A 1.05 59G3983 04-04-93 59G4063 03-18-94 N/A N/A N/A N/A 1.06 59G3987 05-25-93 40G3482 04-27-94 40G3483 04-27-94 89G5074 05-23-94 1.07 " " " " 89G5118 06-03-94 89G5119 06-03-94 1.07a " " " " " " 89G5213 06-14-94 1.12 89G5075 07-07-94 89G5076 07-07-94 89G5078 07-20-94 89G5077 07-20-94 1.13 " " " " " " 89G5704 09-02-94 Changed/Fixed Item ------------------ Note: n.nn Diskette Version (e.g. 1.13 Version 1.13) (New) New Function or Enhancement ThinkPad 750, 750C, 750P and 750Cs ---------------------------------- 1.00 (New) Add support for 750Cs. 1.00 Intermittent OS/2 hang at the first FDD access following wake-up from hibernation. 1.00 Intermittent 199FE error upon wake-up from hibernation. 1.01 Suspend mode entered sooner than the specified System Off Timer value. 1.01 (New) Supports Analog to Digital Video Converter option for Dock 1. 1.01 Excessive screen flicker after resume (750Cs and 750P only). 1.02 Video problems on externally attached ISO monitor (750Cs only). 1.02 Diagnostic long run erroneously reports a 5016 error (750Cs only). 1.03 Intermittent 19929 error upon resume. 1.04 (New) Add support for TV Tuner. 1.04 The external CRT attached to the Dock I goes blank after the Operating System is boot-up or resume when the 750's lid is closed. 1.04 System hang by using ROM free Area E000-E6FF described in ROM. Correct range (E000-E5FF in this version) is indicated in the area. 1.04a Some of the 16MB memory cards can not be used. 1.05 (New) Add support for internal IDE HDD with capacity > 512 MB. 1.05 (New) Add support for CDPD Mobile Communications module (option). 1.05 Unable to suspend after removing AC adapter. 1.05 Some video adapters installed in the Dock-I fail with an 103 error. 1.05 System can't enter the suspend mode again if the AC adapter is disconnected or connected during the suspend mode. 1.06 The Screen Off Timer becomes inactive if any key other than "Fn" is depressed to restore the screen. 1.06 System with some PCMCIA modem card installed may malfunction when suspending. 1.06 Entering the suspend mode may be rejected for around 30 seconds with beeps. (This is normal if the CDPD Mobile Communications Module is installed.) 1.12 (New) Add support for Dock 2. ThinkPad 750Ce -------------- 1.03 (New) Add TP750Ce support. 1.04 (New) Add support for TV Tuner. 1.04 (New) Add support for CDPD Mobile Communications Module (option). 1.05 (New) Add support for internal IDE HDD with capacity > 512 MB. 1.05 The external mouse hangs intermittently after Suspend/Resume under the DOSSHELL. 1.05 195 error occurs after hibernation with ATA PCMCIA card in the Port Replicator with PCMCIA. 1.05 Audio stops after Standby. 1.06 The CPU information is wrong in the EasySetup. 1.06 An 118 error occurs. 1.06 Some video adapters installed in the Dock-I fail with 103 error. 1.12 (New) Add support for Dock 2. 1.12 COM port disappears after accessed by some applications. ThinkPad 755C and 755Cs ----------------------- 1.06 Some video adapters installed in the Dock-I fail with 103 error. 1.06 RPL from PCMCIA Ethernet card does not work. 1.06 System hangs when hibernating under the following conditions. - One of the primary partitions is HPFS, and - The hibernation file is in an extended partition. 1.07 Remote IPL from new IBM Token Ring PCMCIA Card doesn't work. 1.12 (New) Add support for Dock 2. 1.12 COM port disappears after accessed by some applications. ThinkPad 355, 355Cs, 355C, 360, 360C, 360P and 360Cs ---------------------------------------------------- 1.06 In block transfer of Video, some dots are missed. 1.07 Remote IPL from new IBM Token Ring PCMCIA Card doesn't work. 1.07a Erroneously mute status of audio feature after booting when Dock I attached. 1.07a No CD Audio from SCSI CD ROM internal to Dock 1. 1.12 (New) Add support for Dock 2. 1.12 COM port disappears after accessed by some applications. 1.13 False intermittent 8611 and 8613 error code displayed at power on. Updating System Programs ------------------------ Notes: - You need an AC adapter and a charged battery pack to update the system program. - If your computer is attached to a ThinkPad Dock I or a port replicator, turn off the computer and detach it before proceeding. 1. Print these instructions or display on another computer. 2. Firmly connect the AC adapter to the computer. 3. Insert the System Program Service Diskette into the diskette drive and turn on the computer. 4. Select "Read this first" from the menu and carefully read the information that appears. 5. Press Esc to return to the menu. 6. Select "Update system program" and follow the instruction on the screen. Warning: Do not turn off or suspend the computer until the update has been completed. IF YOU TURN OFF OR SUSPEND THE COMPUTER WHILE THE UPDATE IS STILL IN PROGRESS, THE SYSTEM BOARD MAY HAVE TO BE REPLACED. After the update has been completed, do the following to make the changes effective. 7. Remove the System Program Service Diskette from the diskette drive and turn off the computer. 8. Press and hold F1, then turn on the computer. Hold F1 until the Easy-Setup menu appears. 9. If a password prompt appears, type the correct password. 10. Select Config, then select Initialize. 11. Select OK to initialize system. Run the diagnostics to make sure that the computer runs with no errors: 12. Turn off the computer, press and hold F1, then turn on the computer. Hold F1 until the Easy-Setup menu appears. 13. Select Test, then select Start to run all the basic tests. Various test patterns will appear on the screen. An OK will appear for each device that passes the test. 14. Verify that OK appears for all of the devices tested. 15. Press Esc to exit Test and turn off the computer. Service information ------------------- The System Program Service diskette installs System Program as follows. ThinkPad model BIOS part number Date --------------------------------------------------------- 750, 750C, 750P and 750Cs 89G5075 07/07/94 750Ce 89G5076 07/07/94 755C and 755Cs 89G5078 07/20/94 360, 360C, 360P and 360Cs 89G5704 09/02/94 The BIOS P/N and the date can be viewed by invoking Easy-Setup and selecting Config followed by SystemBoard. From ???@??? Fri Oct 07 19:08:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16652 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:08:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05338; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:33:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:32:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05326; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:32:55 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA19712; Fri, 7 Oct 94 14:32:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 14:32:33 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410071832.AA19712@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: suspend ever since I installed the 1.12 system disk stuff on my TP 755C, I can neither suspend nor hibernate with the AC cord plugged in, the requests are simply ignored. If I close the case, the machine stays on (and gets hot!) with the AC cord unplugged, both hibernation and suspend work perfectly. Any ideas? From ???@??? Mon Oct 10 13:03:18 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16284 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:11:48 -0500 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22288; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:10:57 -0500 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa09650; 7 Oct 94 21:01 EDT Received: from marvin.holonet.net by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa09646; 7 Oct 94 21:01 EDT Received: from morebbs.com (uucp@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id RAA01766; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:45:42 -0700 Received: by morebbs.com id 0RC69004 Fri, 07 Oct 94 19:27:36 From: jerry.dugal@morebbs.com Message-Id: <9410071927.0RC6900@morebbs.com> Organization: MORE BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.13/PRIMP 1.56p Date: Fri, 07 Oct 94 19:27:36 Subject: Is com 2 working? To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu I have been unable to get a lap link connection using com 2 with my Thinkpad. Parallel port connections have been trouble free. Is there any thing special that I need to do to use com 2. I see that there is a fix for PCMCIA devices that use com2 just wondering if I missed something. From ???@??? Mon Oct 10 13:03:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20623 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:40:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03296; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:33:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:33:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom19.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03286; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:33:26 -0400 Received: by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id RAA14142; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:26:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Hosmer Subject: Re: Portable CD ROM with TP755 To: Scott Stratmoen Cc: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have the Trantor PCMCIA to SCSI and I don't know of any OS/2 drivers. If you are aware of any PLEASE let me know!! I am REALLY looking forward to them! shosmer@netcom.com On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Scott Stratmoen wrote: > > As far as I know, there are two PORTABLE CD-ROM drives, NEC 3Xp and > > Zenith Z-Player. The Zenith Z-Player needs a Type-II PCMCIA slot. So, > > I'm not sure it will work under OS/2 or not. > > I really think the question is how to connect your CD-ROM drive to > > your TP755 if you plan to use PCMCIA SCSI card. I use Dock I to connect > > my CD-ROM drive, and it works great in OS/2 and Windows. Of course, > > you could get a Dock I with optional CD-ROM drive. > > Just a question come into my mind, that is why IBM don't have their > > PCMCIA SCSI card (of course, it should be OS/2 supported)? Recently, > > IBM just announces their audio card (the only audio card can work in > > OS/2 so far), but how about the SCSI card? Hope I can see one in the > > near future:-) Does anyone know why? > > The Trantor PCMCIA SCSI card may be the first to offer OS/2 support. > -- > Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com > | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) > From ???@??? Mon Oct 10 13:03:21 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11043 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:45:01 -0500 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22323; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:44:10 -0500 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa18438; 7 Oct 94 23:35 EDT Received: from elsie.nci.nih.gov by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa18434; 7 Oct 94 23:35 EDT Received: by elsie.nci.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01426; Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:35:10 EDT Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:35:10 EDT From: Bernard Murray Message-Id: <9410080335.AA01426@elsie.nci.nih.gov> To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu, jerry.dugal@morebbs.com Subject: Re: Is com 2 working? Can you explain? What have you done that requires COM2? Laplink 5 works just fine with me, especially with parallel port but also with serial transmissions. The only thing I have a preference for is using the TP500 to control the serial transmission (to keep the hard disk and port awake). Bernard Bernard Murray, Ph.D. bernard@elsie.nci.nih.gov (National Cancer Institute, NIH, Bethesda MD, USA) From ???@??? Mon Oct 10 13:03:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05009 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:59:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02380; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:58:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:58:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mfmail.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02369; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:58:39 -0400 Received: from dvs486.mfltd.co.uk by mfmail.mfltd.co.uk with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA02863; Mon, 10 Oct 94 13:58:27 GMT Received: from twdev4 by dvs486.mfltd.co.uk (5.65/1.0) id AA02220; Mon, 10 Oct 94 13:54:26 GMT Received: by twdev4.mfltd.co.uk (5.65/1.0) id AA15002; Mon, 10 Oct 94 12:52:46 GMT Message-Id: <9410101252.AA15002@twdev4.mfltd.co.uk> From: secw@mfltd.co.uk (Sam Warwick) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 13:52:45 BST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: MKS vi Problems Cc: inquiry@mks.com I see from the FAQ (section 3.23. 'What known imcompatibilities are there with the TP750?'), that MKS vi has been known to crash. This is probably the first problem I encountered with my TP755, and probably the most annoying. The FAQ quotes v4.1 as having the problem. I also experience it with v4.2, but v3.2 is ok. I can normally reproduce the problem pretty quickly by doing a couple of yank-and-puts in succession. Does anyone have any more info on this problem? Have MKS support been informed (I've cc'd them on this note). (btw, I am running OS/2 2.1) Thanks. -- Sam Warwick SECW at NWB GBHFFXRF at IBMMAIL Testware Development secw@mfltd.co.uk Micro Focus, Newbury (Tel.: 01635 565361) "Relax. Don't worry. Have a homebrew." - Anon. From ???@??? Mon Oct 10 13:03:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07384 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:19:21 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14903; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:14:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:14:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14893; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:14:33 -0400 From: Received: from PESTO.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13936; Mon, 10 Oct 94 11:14:24 EDT Received: by pesto.MIT.EDU (8.6.9/4.7) id LAA12277; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:14:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199410101514.LAA12277@pesto.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Urgent Help on Slackware 2.0 (Linux) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:14:22 EDT Ok, I'm stuck! I downloaded slackware 2.0, including the tp-bare boot disk, and installed linux on my machine (no X yet, but: A, AP, D, E disks) I have a 25 meg dos partition, (primary) and 130 linux plus ~10 megs swap (i have 8 megs RAM) Here's the problem: When booting lilo, with the tp-bare disk, i nedd to type: mount root=/dev/hda2 in order to make linux recognize my HD, however, when i do this, i can't find my floppy (/dev/fd0) and therefore, i can't copy the kernel from the floppy into the HD. If i boot just from the hard drive i get a "Kernel Panic, Can't mount Root" message. If, OTOH i try to boot w/o specifying the mount command, i don't see the HD anywhere in the tree.. As you can see, i've run out of options, please e-mail me with any ideas... BTW, i have the file from the Web site regarding installation on the TP's, but being a unix newbie, i don't know how to apply the patches... I have a feeling this is a much better way to go about the installation, but i have no idea how to prepare (cut and paste) the mod files and how to apply them thereafter... Thanks in advance for all you help! Art Arturo J. Morales | ajm1@mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachusetts Institute of Technology -------------------------------------------------------------------------- When All you Have Is A Hammer, Everything Looks Like A Nail... From ???@??? Mon Oct 10 15:45:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02983 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:33:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28728; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:12:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:12:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28711; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:12:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199410101812.OAA28711@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-27.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16412; Mon, 10 Oct 94 13:10:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 13:10:17 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: suspend X-Mailer: >ever since I installed the 1.12 system disk stuff on my TP 755C, I can neither >suspend nor hibernate with the AC cord plugged in, the requests are simply >ignored. If I close the case, the machine stays on (and gets hot!) > >with the AC cord unplugged, both hibernation and suspend work perfectly. >Any ideas? I've had similar instances with my TP750C. The solution always ended up being futzing around with a combination of the system utility drivers and PCMCIA drivers. Is this under DOS/Win or OS/2? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Mon Oct 10 15:45:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17188 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:04:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29666; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:26:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:26:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29655; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:26:17 -0400 Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA10919; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:25:00 -0700 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199410101825.LAA10919@netcom18.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Urgent Help on Slackware 2.0 (Linux) To: ajm1@mit.edu Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <199410101514.LAA12277@pesto.MIT.EDU> from "ajm1@mit.edu" at Oct 10, 94 11:14:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Ok, I'm stuck! > > I downloaded slackware 2.0, including the tp-bare boot disk, and > installed linux on my machine (no X yet, but: A, AP, D, E disks) > > I have a 25 meg dos partition, (primary) and 130 linux plus ~10 megs swap > (i have 8 megs RAM) > > Here's the problem: > > When booting lilo, with the tp-bare disk, i nedd to type: > mount root=/dev/hda2 in order to make linux recognize my HD, > however, when i do this, i can't find my floppy (/dev/fd0) and therefore, > i can't copy the kernel from the floppy into the HD. > > If i boot just from the hard drive i get a "Kernel Panic, Can't mount Root" > message. If, OTOH i try to boot w/o specifying the mount command, > i don't see the HD anywhere in the tree.. > > As you can see, i've run out of options, please e-mail me with any ideas... > > BTW, i have the file from the Web site regarding installation on the TP's, > but being a unix newbie, i don't know how to apply the patches... I have > a feeling this is a much better way to go about the installation, but i > have no idea how to prepare (cut and paste) the mod files and how to apply > them thereafter... > > > Thanks in advance for all you help! > > Art > > Arturo J. Morales | ajm1@mit.edu > Department of Biology | Massachusetts Institute of Technology > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > When All you Have Is A Hammer, Everything Looks Like A Nail... > Download the tp75x install diskette from someone on this newgroup who has it. From ???@??? Tue Oct 11 02:12:10 1994 Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18605 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 23:16:46 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA03049; Tue, 11 Oct 94 00:16:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 00:16:42 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410110416.AA03049@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: suspend my suspend and hibernation problems on AC power were using OS/2, with PCMCIA drivers loaded. From ???@??? Wed Oct 12 01:21:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20820 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:39:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24128; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:25:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:25:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24115; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:25:47 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA01858; Tue, 11 Oct 94 08:25:09 MDT Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 08:25:09 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410111425.AA01858@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: MSD 2.11 In a previous post I indicated that MSD.EXE (Microsoft Diagnostics) was unusable with some of the more recent TP 360/75X BIOS versions, namely versions 1.12 and 1.13. Microsoft has recently made available MSD version 2.11 which works just fine on my TP360 with BIOS version 1.13. Now I know that MSD isn't the greatest diagnostic tool around, but it does provide a quick and dirty means to check a variety of system parameters, and there have been a few new wrinkles added in the new version. Worth a look, anyway. For those interested, here's where you can find it: FTP site: ftp.microsoft.com path: \softlib\mslfiles file name: GA0363.EXE - Karl Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. Denver, CO. From ???@??? Wed Oct 12 01:21:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29642 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:29:29 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14096; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:04:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:04:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin.monsanto.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14085; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:04:21 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin.monsanto.com (5.65/Monsanto1.5) id AA19718; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 14:00:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 14:00:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9410111900.AA19718@tin.monsanto.com> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: "tp750@CS.UTK.EDU"@TIN.monsanto.com Subject: Windows NT on a 360 I'm looking to buy a ThinkPad 360 when they come out with a dx2-50. I'll have 12 meg of RAM. Has anybody got NT (3,5?) running a 360? How about WFW 3.11? Thanks ! Simon ///************************************************************************** // /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // /// Daugerty Systems ||| 314-432-8200 office // /// St Louis ||| 314-257-8018 home // /// ||| 314-694-3207 client office // /// All opinions and thoughts are mine and not those of my employer or client / \\\************************************************************************** \\ From ???@??? Wed Oct 12 02:50:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19133 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 02:28:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22092; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 02:43:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 02:43:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22080; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 02:43:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199410120643.CAA22080@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-12.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27582; Wed, 12 Oct 94 01:40:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 01:40:38 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: suspend X-Mailer: >my suspend and hibernation problems on AC power were using OS/2, with PCMCIA >drivers loaded. I figured as much. I'm banking on some interaction with the PCMCIA drivers. Have you tried to see if it'll suspend w/o any PCMCIA cards in? Also, what version of OS/2? The WARP II comes with it's own little "plug-n-play" PCMCIA drivers. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Oct 12 04:21:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23924 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 03:57:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03476; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 04:20:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 04:20:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03436; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 04:20:01 -0400 Received: from colt-12.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02071; Wed, 12 Oct 94 03:17:31 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: FS: IBM ThinkPad 340meg (removable) hard drives Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 03:22:55 Message-Id: --- Forwarded message follows --- From: Subject: FS: IBM ThinkPad 340meg (removable) hard drives Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 05:28:01 GMT ---Forsale--- 2 - IBM ThinkPad 750 series 340 meg (removable) hard drive Part Number # 66G2849 These are both new. $395 shipped If you have any questions on the drive and it's compatability, call IBM PC direct at 1-800-426-8652. This drive sells for $1,299 from IBM. Please Email if interested. Brian From ???@??? Wed Oct 12 11:07:44 1994 Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16144 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:39:15 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA20996; Wed, 12 Oct 94 06:39:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 06:39:23 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410121039.AA20996@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: suspend thanks for the help, I will give it a try. From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 08:53:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17488 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:43:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12119; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:26:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:26:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12107; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:26:09 -0400 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13770; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:20:00 -0500 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA129230; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:21:25 -0500 From: rol@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9410122221.AA129230@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: where are large 750/5 drives? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (IBM 750 newsgroup) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:21:24 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We need to order a large 755c removeable disk drive ASAP; IBM PC Direct has nothing but 250mb drives available. Ideally, we'd like over 1gb but 810mb would suffice and heck, maybe 1-2 500mb drives would do. 3rd party drives that are manufactured to IBM's specs (they won't fry, etc., the machine) are okay. Can anyone provide a ordering reference and phone number? Thanks! -- | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | | ** B'days are good for health ** | | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 08:53:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24470 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 19:07:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14327; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 19:02:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 19:02:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from qualcomm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14310; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 19:02:37 -0400 Received: from gjacobs (gjacobs.qualcomm.com [129.46.122.39]) by qualcomm.com (8.6.9/QC-main-2.3) with SMTP id QAA29967 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 16:02:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199410122302.QAA29967@qualcomm.com> X-Sender: gjacobs@129.46.50.10 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3b5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 16:02:02 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: gjacobs@qualcomm.com (Gary E. Jacobs) Subject: Hello Just wanted to introduce myself. I'm a senior software engineer at QUALCOMM Incorporated. I've got a TP755Cs (wanted a C but couldn't get one). 20MB RAM (4 MB Built in and 16MB Apex Data Card) 540MB HD Xircom CreditCard Ethernet Adapter Megahertz 14400/14400 Xjack fax modem Docking Station with CDROM It's a great machine. It has locked up on my a few times. The only cause I can surmise is that the Apex Data Card gets a little loose because if I slide it out and then in again everything works fine. Gary Jacobs gjacobs@qualcomm.com (619)658-4069 voice (619)658-2120 fax From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 08:53:06 1994 Received: from cln.etc.bc.ca by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09853 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 23:31:56 -0500 Received: by cln.etc.bc.ca for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (4.1/1.39) id AA01230; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:38:07 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 21:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: FS: IBM ThinkPad 340meg (removable) hard drives To: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Sean Are these the same drives use in the 755 and 360? If they are I may be interested. Thanks Pat O _ | Pat Presidente | ======= | Technology Resource Teacher | |_-/_| | ppreside@cln.etc.bc.ca | P R E Z | SD 72 425 Pinecrest Rd | | | | 604-286-0651 Fx 286-9801 | ======= | Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | =======|"It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-JP | From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 08:53:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02412 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:30:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00149; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:35:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:35:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cln.etc.bc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00125; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:35:35 -0400 Received: by cln.etc.bc.ca (4.1/1.39) id AA05078; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:12:12 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Presidente Subject: A wanna be with a few questions To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi; I've been lurking (and drooling) in this group for a while and was wondering if I could ask for a little assistance in deciding on a TP purchase. With my budget I have a choice of 3 systems: 1. TP 360Cs 33 Mhz SL enhanced 80486sx 8kb internal cache 9.5 color vga DSTN display, passive matrix VESA LB video 340 HD (removable) 12 megs ram (exp to 20) 2. TP 360C 33 Mhz SL enhanced 80486sx 8kb Internal cache 8.4 color vga TFT display, active matrix VESA LB video 340 HD (removable) 4 megs ram (exp to 20) 3. TP 755Cs 50/25 Mhz SL80486 DX2 (upgr) 9.5 VGA LCD display, passive matrix 340 HD (removable) 4 megs ram (exp to 36) The above systems are all the same price and within my budget. What I need to know is pros and cons. The only TP I've played with is a 350C. It had a passive display that was quite nice. (9.2 STN backlit color LCD VGA, 256 colors (of 256)) - this description bothers me since I thought SVGA was required for 256 colors. The 350 lacked the expandability I deem necessary. At any rate, the differences in displays (unseen) is a concern since I don't understand all the differences - and they all seem to be different. I do know active matrix is a winner but I wonder about the size (8.4) I know the advantages of ram, so the 12 meg system is appealing, but not having a full DX down the line is a concern and I don't know if that expansion path is available in the 360. I know I'm just thinking out loud here, but my main concern is longevity and expanability down the line. The port ability (on paper) looks to be the same for the 360 and 755 apart from the sound ability on the 755. At any rate, if you could buy one of the above systems tomorrow, which would you buy, and why. Much thanks in advance for any assistance. Pat O _ | Pat Presidente | ======= | Technology Resource Teacher | |_-/_| | ppreside@cln.etc.bc.ca | P R E Z | SD 72 425 Pinecrest Rd | | | | 604-286-0651 Fx 286-9801 | ======= | Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | =======|"It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-JP | From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 13:32:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10462 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:23:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03431; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:15:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:15:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from HERMIA.PHYSICS.CARLETON.CA by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03416; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:15:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 9:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: GODFREY@physics.carleton.ca Message-Id: <941013091540.24200743@physics.carleton.ca> Subject: TP purchase advice I have a TP 755Cs with a 340 HD and 12 megs of ram. I am pretty pleased with the dual scan. I couldn't justify the extra money for an active matrix although I would have liked it. I decided I needed a DX because of the coprocessor for numeric work so I would'nt consider a machine without it. I hope this helps Steve Godfrey From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 13:32:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19840 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:54:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05853; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:52:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:52:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05843; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:52:04 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02302; Thu, 13 Oct 94 07:51:27 MDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 07:51:27 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410131351.AA02302@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: disappearing mouse cursor I just noticed an unusual problem with my TP360 and was wondering if any of you out there have seen it too. I've lost my "I-Beam" cursor within all of my Windows applications. When a Windows app is started, the I-Beam cursor appears initially wherever the mouse pointer was located. So far, so good. As soon as the cursor is moved, however, it is only visible while in motion. So if I use the Trackpoint to relocate the cursor, once I get it to where I need it and take my finger off the Trackpoint, the cursor disappears. (And for my next trick, I'll pull a rabbit out of my hat!) I don't know if this has been happening all along and I just now noticed, but I suspect it's a new problem. The only system change I've made recently was to upgrade to BIOS version 1.13. For this reason, I'd be especially interested in hearing from those of you who are running on this same BIOS version. The problem is evident in any and all Windows apps, even the built-in applets like Notepad, Terminal, etc. I've tried running just a plain "vanilla" configuration to remove all potential software conflicts, but the problem persists. Any suggestions/observations would be much appreciated. Thanks, - Karl Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. Denver, CO. From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 13:32:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27157 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:23:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11100; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:08:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:08:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11089; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:08:16 -0400 Received: from maverick.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA05406; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:02:11 -0500 Received: by maverick.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA36969; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:07:35 -0500 From: wba@maverick.uhc.com (John Albindia) Message-Id: <9410131507.AA36969@maverick.uhc.com> Subject: Help with Qlogic PCMCIA SCSI card setup! To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (750) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:07:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: rol@maverick.uhc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone using Qlogic PCMCIA card (SCSI-adapter) with a CD-ROM please help ?. I need to see the Config.sys and Csalloc.ini setup. Also which socket is the card plugged into, or does it matter? From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 13:32:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29402 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:28:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11121; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:09:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:09:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11110; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:08:48 -0400 Received: from kress_pc.ciw.edu by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA04696; Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:07:44 EDT Message-Id: <9410131507.AA04696@gl.ciw.edu> X-Sender: kress@gl.ciw.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:08:11 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: disappearing mouse cursor X-Mailer: At 07:51 AM 10/13/94 MDT, Karl Yeanoplos wrote: >When a Windows app is started, the I-Beam cursor appears initially >wherever the mouse pointer was located. So far, so good. >As soon as the cursor is moved, however, it is only visible while >in motion. So if I use the Trackpoint to relocate the cursor, once >I get it to where I need it and take my finger off the Trackpoint, >the cursor disappears. >The problem is evident in any and all Windows apps, even the built-in >applets like Notepad, Terminal, etc. I'm pretty sure this is part of one of the more recent video features upgrades, but I changed bios at about the same time, so I may be wrong. I consider this much more of a desirable feature than a problem. The cursor is always there when you need it, but doesn't block any of the screen when you don't. Furthermore, the mouse trails option (previously unavailable on the 750 video drivers) helps alot when using the tp screen in unfavorable lighting. I suspect that you can get rid of the "problem" by using the generic windows vga driver. ---------------------------------------------------------- Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202)686-2410 x2489 ---------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 13:32:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10524 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:54:03 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12701; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:29:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:29:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from philabs.Philips.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12686; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:29:41 -0400 Received: from daffy.philabs.philips.com by philabs.Philips.COM (smail2.5/12-15-87/4.1) id AA01483; Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:29:38 EDT Received: by daffy.philabs.philips.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19154; Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:29:36 EDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:29:36 EDT From: txh@philabs.Philips.COM (Teun Hendriks) Message-Id: <9410131529.AA19154@daffy.philabs.philips.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP purchase advice I just got a 360, mono with 340HD. Basically it's a machine for our (small) home. I figured that eventually it would be cheaper and better to buy a regular color monitor for home use, than to plunk down the money for a passive color (don't like that) or very much for an active display. - Teun From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 13:32:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24213 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:22:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14893; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:00:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:00:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from charlie.ece.scarolina.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14861; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:00:50 -0400 Received: by charlie.ece.scarolina.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA21275; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:00:41 -0400 Received: From ENGR_1/WORKQUEUE by mailgate.engr.scarolina.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.941013120032.320; 13 Oct 94 12:00:50 +500 Message-Id: To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "David N. Rocheleau" Organization: College of Engineering Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:00:30 EST Subject: About to buy memory for 755Cs Reply-To: rochelea@engr.engr.scarolina.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R2) Hi, I just purchased a 755Cs a couple of weeks ago with the standard 4MB of memory and am about to upgrade to an additional 8MB or 16 MB. I noticed that IBM PC-Direct charges about $700 for 8MB IC DRAM Card and $1600+ for a 16MB IC DRAM Card. In the latest Computer Shopper I can get 8MB for ~$370 or 16MB for ~$800. My question: is this a good price or can I do better? I also plan on purchasing a Dock II, a 17" external monitor (maybe NEC 5FGe), IBM's extended keyboard, CD-ROM drive, backup tape drive, and a PCMCIA modem (MegaHz XJACK I think). As you can probably gather, I plan on making my 755Cs into a desktop unit, (that's why I didn't spend the extra ~$1400 for the 755C). Thanks for the advice. From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 13:32:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05347 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:47:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16963; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:26:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:26:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16951; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:26:08 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15577; Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:28:09 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:28:09 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410131628.AA15577@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 32-bit disk access on 755 I just purchased a ThinkPad 750C which had a smaller drive (170MB) replaced with a Sigma Data 540MB replacement. This swap was done at IBM (Federal Sales) suggestion. IBM fully supports this drive, and the warranty remains intact. The person I spoke to at IBM thinks that the Sigma Data is probably the OEM drive that is delivered in the 75x's. The problem I'm frustrated with, is that according to the 75x FAQ, 32-bit disk acesses should work on the ThinkPad with WFW 3.11. However, when I turn on 32-bit disk acesses in the 386 enhanced menu, I get the following error when Windows reboots: The Microsoft Windows 32-bit driver (WDCTRL) validation failed at phase 07, 1F To continue starting Windows without using the 32-bit disk driver, press any key Has anyone successfully used 32-bit disk acess on the 755's? Is it possible that I new a BIOS update? (I have 1.07). Is it possible that something that Sigma Data is doing is incompatible with 32-bit disk acesses? Thanks, Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 13:32:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14283 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:08:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18166; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:49:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:49:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18156; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:49:50 -0400 Received: from maverick.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13931; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:43:50 -0500 Received: by maverick.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA96460; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:49:17 -0500 From: wba@maverick.uhc.com (John Albindia) Message-Id: <9410131649.AA96460@maverick.uhc.com> Subject: Re: Help with Qlogic PCMCIA SCSI card setup! (fwd) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (750) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:49:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It takes forever for the MSDEX to load, the ASPI driver does not display my drive type (NEC 3XP), and a DIR of the assigned drive letter gets a CDR101 error. Could you please send me your config.sys and c:\qlog\csalloc.ini file? I think it is the irq's and memory exclude statements that is screwing me up. Thanks! Forwarded message: > From yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu Thu Oct 13 11:44:32 1994 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:43:03 -0400 (EDT) > From: Yen-Chiun Tseng > Subject: Re: Help with Qlogic PCMCIA SCSI card setup! > To: John Albindia > In-Reply-To: <9410131507.AA36969@maverick.uhc.com> > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 1994, John Albindia wrote: > > > Can someone using Qlogic PCMCIA card (SCSI-adapter) with a CD-ROM please > > help ?. > > I need to see the Config.sys and Csalloc.ini setup. > > Also which socket is the card plugged into, or does it matter? > >=20 > > What's kind of problems? A few weeks ago, I used Q-logic SCSI card w/o > any problem. E-mail me if you have any problem. > > -yc > > =DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB= > =DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB= > =DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB > Yen-chiun Tseng YC/// =20 > E-mail://yetseng@mailbox.syr.edu o|^|^|o =20 > or //yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu \-/ ~ Hello > =DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB= > =DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB= > =DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB=DB > > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 13 13:32:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15989 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:13:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17877; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:42:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:42:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17867; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:42:42 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02453; Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:41:42 MDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:41:42 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410131641.AA02453@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: disappearing mouse cursor > > When a Windows app is started, the I-Beam cursor appears initially > > wherever the mouse pointer was located. So far, so good. > > As soon as the cursor is moved, however, it is only visible while > > in motion. So if I use the Trackpoint to relocate the cursor, once > > I get it to where I need it and take my finger off the Trackpoint, > > the cursor disappears. > I'm pretty sure this is part of one of the more recent video features > upgrades, but I changed bios at about the same time, so I may be wrong. I > consider this much more of a desirable feature than a problem. The cursor > is always there when you need it, but doesn't block any of the screen when > you don't. > I suspect that you can get rid of the "problem" by using the > generic windows vga driver. Well, I have to admit that I hadn't looked at it from this perspective. I don't disagree that it is sometimes helpful to have that cursor outta the way, though. Your video driver theory holds water from the standpoint that the one other reply I've received indicated that the v1.13 BIOS is innocent. It's a pretty simple matter to go into Windows Setup and temporarily change the video driver - I'll give it a shot and report back. If you suscribe to the less-is-more theory, then this probably is a feature. What do ya think, folks.....feature or foul-up? Thanks for the help, guys - I appreciate it. - Karl From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 00:59:35 1994 Received: from tin.monsanto.com by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03453 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:55:43 -0500 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin.monsanto.com (5.65/Monsanto1.5) id AA12423; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:55:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:55:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9410131855.AA12423@tin.monsanto.com> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: "ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu"@TIN.monsanto.com Subject: Re: Windows NT on a 360 thanks Sean! Do you have anyu more info on the 360 announcements on Moday? Simon From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 00:59:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24004 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:38:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27926; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:11:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:11:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27892; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:11:02 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20384; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:13:11 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:13:11 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410131913.AA20384@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 32-bit disk access on 75x I posted a message earlier today about not being able to use 32-bit disk acess on the 755C with a 540M hard drive. I've discovered that the problem is due to the fact that IDE supports up to 520M, so the 540M drive is an Enhanced IDE (EIDE). The WFW 32-bit driver (wdctrl) does not support 32-bit disk access for enhanced IDE drives! This is _not_ the fault of IBM or Sigma Data. Does anyone know if Microsoft (or anyone else) has posted a patch to wdctrl to support EIDE drives? Thanks, Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 00:59:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14872 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:42:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06622; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:01:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:01:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06612; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:01:21 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23503; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:03:23 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:03:23 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410132103.AA23503@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Disks for 75x's I've gotten a lot of questions about the Sigma Data hard drives, so I'm posting the information to the mailing list: Sigma Data is at least one of the OEM manufacturers of the hard drives shipping in the 355, 360, and 75x series. Therefore these drives have the exact same specifications as the original IBM drives. IBM fully supports these drives, including maintaining them under the terms of the ThinkPad warranty. Since they are the OEM manufacturer, the drives come in the same case, same connector, etc. The only difference is that there is a Sigma Data label on the case... Here are the part numbers: Capacity IBM Part Number Sigma Data Part Number 340M 66G2849 QED/TP750-340 540M 84G2150 QED/TP750-540 810M 84G8250 QED/TP750-810 Sigma Data 17 Newport Road New London, NH 03257-4567 (800) 446-4525 (603) 526-6909 Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 00:59:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02736 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:34:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02003; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:56:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:56:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01993; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:56:41 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA05301; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:56:31 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id MAA17259; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:56:24 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410131956.MAA17259@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: 32-bit disk access on 755 To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9410131628.AA15577@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Oct 13, 94 09:28:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I just purchased a ThinkPad 750C which had a smaller drive (170MB) replaced > with a Sigma Data 540MB replacement. This swap was done at IBM (Federal > Sales) suggestion. IBM fully supports this drive, and the warranty remains > intact. The person I spoke to at IBM thinks that the Sigma Data is > probably the OEM drive that is delivered in the 75x's. Do you know where one can buy a Sigma Data drive, how much it is, and if/whether it comes with a little plastic case so I wouldn't have to strip the one off my current drive? > Robert George > (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 00:59:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04973 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:42:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10116; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:51:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:51:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mercury.sfsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10106; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:51:34 -0400 Received: by mercury.sfsu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA27910; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:51:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: VINCENT B HO Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's To: Robert George Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410132103.AA23503@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Oct 1994, Robert George wrote: > 810M 84G8250 QED/TP750-810 > Glad u bring this up. My 755cs is running out of disc space (mine HD is the 530..) In any case, do uall have the 810M's cost? Alternatively, I am thinking of compressing my files using stacker. Any info on that, esp. for those of u who use this method? Thanks in advance. Vince From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 01:00:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15242 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:20:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15166; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:56:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:56:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15154; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:56:37 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26749; Thu, 13 Oct 94 15:58:46 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 15:58:46 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410132258.AA26749@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Sigma Data hard drives >so can someone post the Sigma Data prices? Sorry guys, my Sigma Data drive was a no-charge replacement. I asked for the drive characteristics just to insure that the Sigma Data was at least as good as the OEM drive. I'm sure Sigma will tell you list prices on the phone: (800) 446-4525 Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 01:00:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16480 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:24:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13214; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:32:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:32:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13203; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:32:45 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA01760; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:19:48 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id MAA10782; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:19:44 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410131919.MAA10782@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: A wanna be with a few questions To: ppreside@cln.etc.bc.ca (Pat Presidente) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Pat Presidente" at Oct 12, 94 10:12:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > With my budget I have a choice of 3 systems: > > 1. TP 360Cs > 33 Mhz SL enhanced 80486sx 8kb internal cache > 9.5 color vga DSTN display, passive matrix VESA LB video > 340 HD (removable) 12 megs ram (exp to 20) > > 2. TP 360C > 33 Mhz SL enhanced 80486sx 8kb Internal cache > 8.4 color vga TFT display, active matrix VESA LB video > 340 HD (removable) 4 megs ram (exp to 20) > > 3. TP 755Cs > 50/25 Mhz SL80486 DX2 (upgr) > 9.5 VGA LCD display, passive matrix > 340 HD (removable) 4 megs ram (exp to 36) > > The above systems are all the same price and within my budget. What I > need to know is pros and cons. The only TP I've played with is a > 350C. It had a passive display that was quite nice. (9.2 STN backlit > color LCD VGA, 256 colors (of 256)) - this description bothers me since I > thought SVGA was required for 256 colors. The 350 lacked the > expandability I deem necessary. > > At any rate, the differences in displays (unseen) is a concern since I > don't understand all the differences - and they all seem to be different. > I do know active matrix is a winner but I wonder about the size (8.4) > > I know the advantages of ram, so the 12 meg system is appealing, but not > having a full DX down the line is a concern and I don't know if that > expansion path is available in the 360. > > I know I'm just thinking out loud here, but my main concern is longevity > and expanability down the line. The port ability (on paper) looks to be > the same for the 360 and 755 apart from the sound ability on the 755. If the main concern is expandibility, get the 755Cs. Its a lot easier to save up a few pennies down the road and stick in a memory card than it is to pretend you have a better/faster processor. ;) Meanwhile, 4MB won't be fun, but it will suffice temporarily--its an easy upgrade. As for the active matrix or no, that's a bit harder. If you go with the 360C over the 755Cs, you'll be dealing with a fairly dinky 8.6 inch screen. I had a 750Cs (dual-scan passive) for a couple weeks before sending it back and replacing it with a 750C (active matrix), but that decision was made easier by the fact that I was also gaining an inch in diagonal size (the 75XC's have a 10.5" active matrix screen). If you are not particularly impressed by the active/passive dual-scan differences, then *absolutely* get the 755Cs. If you *really* want an active, then the decision is a bit tougher... If it were myself though (in your position), I think I'd do the 755Cs and when I could, I'd add memory (remember also that 3rd party memory modules are available and a *lot* cheaper than IBM's own). ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 01:00:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01475 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:23:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19421; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:02:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:02:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mailgate.exnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19410; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:02:30 -0400 Received: from exnet.com (assam.exnet.com) by mailgate.exnet.com with SMTP id AA27825 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:02:12 +0100 Received: from fonix.UUCP by exnet.com with UUCP id AA22070 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:02:06 +0100 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: A wanna be with a few que From: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Message-Id: <1978.150.uupcb@fonix.org> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 22:04:00 -0100 Organization: FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, UK ~ +44 (344) 306986/7/8/9 Reply-To: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) PP>With my budget I have a choice of 3 systems: And a nice choice it is too ! PP>The above systems are all the same price and within my budget. What PP>I need to know is pros and cons. The only TP I've played with is a PP>350C. It had a passive display that was quite nice. (9.2 STN backlit PP>color LCD VGA, 256 colors (of 256)) - this description bothers me PP>since I thought SVGA was required for 256 colors. The 350 lacked the PP>expandability I deem necessary. I had a 350C on loan for a couple of weeks, and wasn't impressed with it all. The colour (admittedly it *was* and old machine) wasn't good, and as you say it's really a 'what-you-buy-is-what-you-keep' sort of machine. PP>At any rate, the differences in displays (unseen) is a concern since PP>I don't understand all the differences - and they all seem to be PP>different. I do know active matrix is a winner but I wonder about the PP>size (8.4) The 360Cs has a 9.5" screen, which to me is a more useable size. I would think the 8.4" screen would be quite tiring. PP>I know the advantages of ram, so the 12 meg system is appealing, but PP>not having a full DX down the line is a concern and I don't know if PP>that expansion path is available in the 360. Likewise, I don't know whether you can expand the 360 in this way. I've got 8MB in my machine, and was told by some of our 'techy' people that 4 -> 8MB would make a noticeable improvement, but to make a further improvement you'd need to go to at least 16MB.... PP>I know I'm just thinking out loud here, but my main concern is PP>longevity and expanability down the line. The port ability (on PP>paper) looks to be the same for the 360 and 755 apart from the sound PP>ability on the 755. PP>At any rate, if you could buy one of the above systems tomorrow, PP>which would you buy, and why. Well, I'd buy the 360Cs, which as you've guessed is the one I've got. I've also gone for the 340MB hard disk, which will hopefully last me a little while (unless Mr. Gates does his usual with his upgrades !). To me, the TFT screen is great (one of my colleagues has a 750), but I'd only want it with a decent-sized screen (the 75x machines come with a 10.4" screen, from what I remember), so that rules out the 360C. The 755 is obviously a great machine, but your choice is restricted (I guess) to the mono version. I used a mono GRiD 386 and then a mono ThinkPad 700 and 720, and, while at the time I thought mono was alright (I'm lucky that I've got a monitor in the office I can plug in to), having lived with the colour screen for a couple of months now, I wouldn't *dream* of going back to mono. Before you buy, hopefully some of the people who read/write in this conference can let us know about the new ThinkPads which I think will soon be released. If nothing else, you might be able to get your machine more cheaply ! Hope this helps. Sorry to have gone on so much. Please let us know what you end up with ! Regards, | Internet: patrick.whittick@fonix.org _or_ | C'serve id: Patrick | PATRICK-WHITTICK-18/417+aIUP%Ford@mcimail.com | 100117.2667 --- ...CMPQwk 1.42-09 #9237 --- . CMPQwk 1.42-09 #9237 . When in doubt, duck. - Malcolm Forbes ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, Berkshire UK ~ +44 (0)344 306986 12 lines! | | 9 Gig - RsaNET - ILink - RIME (->FONIX) - FidoNET (2:252/171) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 01:00:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17477 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 21:20:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13667; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:43:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:43:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13651; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:43:06 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA07341; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:42:59 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:43:26 -0800 (PST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <67407.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Disks for 75x's In message Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:03:23 PDT, george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) writes: > Since they are the OEM manufacturer, the drives come in the same case, > same connector, etc. The only difference is that there is a Sigma Data > label on the case... QUICK! Somebody find out if they'll sell the case and connector separately! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. 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Fri Oct 14 01:00:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17739 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 21:22:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21329; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:38:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:38:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21319; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:38:50 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA00450; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:38:45 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA01900; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:38:36 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410140038.RAA01900@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9410132103.AA23503@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Oct 13, 94 02:03:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Since they are the OEM manufacturer, the drives come in the same case, > same connector, etc. The only difference is that there is a Sigma Data > label on the case... > > Here are the part numbers: > Robert George > (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) Robert, there's going to be people on this list willing to *kiss* you for that valuable information! :) I'm curious though--do they make a dinky little 170 MB drive? The reason I ask is the possibility of it being cheaper to buy a 170 from them, then buy some other (very large) hard drive from another manufacturer and stealing the case off of the 170...I don't know if it would be cheaper or not until I see Sigma's prices, but its worth considering... Alright folks--who wants to be the first to call for pricing and put the prices on the mailing list? ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 01:00:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29895 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 22:05:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24281; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 21:27:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 21:27:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24271; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 21:27:50 -0400 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Thu, 13 Oct 94 18:27 PDT Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA08913; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:27:36 +0800 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:27:36 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9410140127.AA08913@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, hbv@mercury.sfsu.edu Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I am using compression on my TP750C on a 340 MB disk. It works perfectly -- no problems that I am aware of. Len Jacobson > From @amdahl.uts.amdahl.com:owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Oct 13 16:04 PDT 1994 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:51:36 EDT > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:51:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: VINCENT B HO > Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's > To: Robert George > Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 1994, Robert George wrote: > > > 810M 84G8250 QED/TP750-810 > > > Glad u bring this up. My 755cs is running out of disc space (mine HD > is the 530..) In any case, do uall have the 810M's cost? > Alternatively, I am thinking of compressing my files using stacker. > Any info on that, esp. for those of u who use this method? > > Thanks in advance. > > > Vince > From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 12:09:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07913 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:24:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14479; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:32:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:32:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14469; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:32:19 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02651; Fri, 14 Oct 94 07:31:41 MDT Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 07:31:41 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410141331.AA02651@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: disappearing mouse cursor > > As soon as the cursor is moved, however, it is only visible while > > in motion. So if I use the Trackpoint to relocate the cursor, once > > I get it to where I need it and take my finger off the Trackpoint, > > the cursor disappears. > I'm pretty sure this is part of one of the more recent video features > upgrades, but I changed bios at about the same time, so I may be wrong. > I suspect that you can get rid of the "problem" by using the > generic windows vga driver. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yep....only the accelerated WD90C24 display drivers produce this effect. (I'm using whatever drivers are supplied with v1.32 of the Video Features Disk - don't know about earlier versions.) I guess the jury is still out as to whether this is a feature or a bug, but at least the cause is now understood. Thanks to everyone who responded (Victor, Antti). - Karl From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 12:09:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25737 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:03:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06879; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:56:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:56:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from thialfi.cs.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06869; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:56:32 -0400 Received: from CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU by thialfi.cs.cornell.edu (5.67/I-1.99G) id AA25389; Fri, 14 Oct 94 11:56:27 -0400 Received: from HARBARD.CS.CORNELL.EDU by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (5.67/I-1.99F) id AA21650; Fri, 14 Oct 94 11:56:30 -0400 From: glade@cs.cornell.edu (Bradford Glade) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 11:56:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9410141556.AA12952@harbard.cs.cornell.edu> Received: by harbard.cs.cornell.edu (5.67/N-0.13aa) id AA12952; Fri, 14 Oct 94 11:56:24 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's I gave Sigma Data a call and asked about pricing for the drives that Robert told us about. Here's Robert's info with the pricing added. ------ Capacity IBM Part Number Sigma Data Part Number Price (1-4 units) (5+ units) 340M 66G2849 QED/TP750-340 $ 895 $ 795 540M 84G2150 QED/TP750-540 1195 995 810M 84G8250 QED/TP750-810 1495 1395 -Brad. ----- Bradford B. Glade | glade@cs.cornell.edu Dept. of Computer Science | Tel. (607) 255-1144 (Office) 314 Upson Hall Cornell Univ. | FAX (607) 255-4428 (CS Dept.) Ithaca, NY 14853 | From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 13:10:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18629 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:54:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10451; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:45:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:45:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10437; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:44:57 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA27850; Fri, 14 Oct 94 12:44:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 12:44:44 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410141644.AA27850@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: glade@cs.cornell.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's so it looks to me like someone should volunteer to do a quantity purchase of the 810's :-) From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05467 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:31:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11361; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:53:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:53:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11336; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:53:51 -0400 Received: from bael.umd.umich.edu (adam@bael.umd.umich.edu [141.215.69.9]) by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA23444 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:53:34 -0400 Received: (adam@localhost) by bael.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA12768; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:53:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Wilkinson X-Sender: adam@bael.umd.umich.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 32-bit disk access on 755 (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The IDE spec only allows drives < 512MB. The ThinkPad BIOS adds support for > 512MB, which allows the drive to be accessed. However, 32-bot disk access circumvents the BIOS, therefore Windows can;t understand your drive. CONCLUSION: You can't use 32-bit disk access on ThinkPads with > 512MB drives. -- Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:28:09 PDT From: Robert George To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 32-bit disk access on 755 I just purchased a ThinkPad 750C which had a smaller drive (170MB) replaced with a Sigma Data 540MB replacement. This swap was done at IBM (Federal Sales) suggestion. IBM fully supports this drive, and the warranty remains intact. The person I spoke to at IBM thinks that the Sigma Data is probably the OEM drive that is delivered in the 75x's. The problem I'm frustrated with, is that according to the 75x FAQ, 32-bit disk acesses should work on the ThinkPad with WFW 3.11. However, when I turn on 32-bit disk acesses in the 386 enhanced menu, I get the following error when Windows reboots: The Microsoft Windows 32-bit driver (WDCTRL) validation failed at phase 07, 1F To continue starting Windows without using the 32-bit disk driver, press any key Has anyone successfully used 32-bit disk acess on the 755's? Is it possible that I new a BIOS update? (I have 1.07). Is it possible that something that Sigma Data is doing is incompatible with 32-bit disk acesses? Thanks, Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18641 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:01:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14673; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:36:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:36:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14655; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:36:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA13385 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 03:35:47 +1000 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 03:35:41 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410141556.AA12952@harbard.cs.cornell.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Bradford Glade wrote: > > I gave Sigma Data a call and asked about pricing for the drives that > Robert told us about. Here's Robert's info with the pricing added. > ... prices deleted ... This is looking too good to be true. Does anyone (in particular the Australian subscribers to this list) know if I would have to pay duty / tax / whatever if I were to import a drive. Or should I get Sigma Data to disguise it as a packet of cigarettes? ;) Oops forgot to mention this would be for a tp360. Any conceivable hassles with thier installation into a 360? From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28204 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:24:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15150; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:45:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:45:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15124; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:45:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA13870 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 03:45:13 +1000 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 03:45:07 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410140127.AA08913@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Oct 1994, Len Jacobson wrote: > I am using compression on my TP750C on a 340 MB disk. It works perfectly -- > no problems that I am aware of. > ... > > Alternatively, I am thinking of compressing my files using stacker. > > Any info on that, esp. for those of u who use this method? > > > > Vince > > I've used DOS 6.2 Compression on a number of computers without a hitch, and am currently using the Stacker (PCDOS6.3 version) and have had a perfect record there also. Just to be sure, I've got two logical disks - an unstacked portion for all data, and stacked one for installable applications. (ie. if I had a catastrophic stacker breakdown, I'd still have Windows, DOS and all my data). From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29664 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:28:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14701; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:37:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:37:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14684; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:36:58 -0400 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id KAA26165; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:34:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's To: Bradford Glade Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410141556.AA12952@harbard.cs.cornell.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I also called and got the same info. The availability of 540 is next week, for the 810 is about 2 weeks. Is there any way we can organize a group purchase ? BTW they DO NOT sell the case and connector only due to the high demand for the drives fully configured. Ah Well I think my wallet will be 1500 dollars lighter fairly soon. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Bradford Glade wrote: > > I gave Sigma Data a call and asked about pricing for the drives that > Robert told us about. Here's Robert's info with the pricing added. > > ------ > Capacity IBM Part Number Sigma Data Part Number Price > (1-4 units) (5+ units) > > 340M 66G2849 QED/TP750-340 $ 895 $ 795 > 540M 84G2150 QED/TP750-540 1195 995 > 810M 84G8250 QED/TP750-810 1495 1395 > > > -Brad. > ----- > Bradford B. Glade | glade@cs.cornell.edu > Dept. of Computer Science | Tel. (607) 255-1144 (Office) > 314 Upson Hall Cornell Univ. | FAX (607) 255-4428 (CS Dept.) > Ithaca, NY 14853 | > From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08645 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:50:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17444; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:20:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:20:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17427; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:20:30 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA14106 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:20:08 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08772; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:20:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:20:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Thinkpads on Monday Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Today's Wall Street Journal says that IBM will announce all their new computer model types on Monday. Apparently the PS/2 and Valuepoint will be discontinued and the computers will be called just "The IBM PC" with a 300 series and a 700 series (just like the notebooks). The 300 series will be the value brand with prices starting at about $1200. The 700 series will the high-end models. All 700 series will be Pentiums. The new Thinkpads will have some innovative features such as, built in CD-ROM drives, digital telephone-answering system, and an infrared device to beam files from one machine to another. They also said that they will boost production of color screen Thinkpads by four times the level of the first half of 1994, but that probably still won't be enough. Joshua Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08801 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:50:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16608; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:06:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:06:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from thialfi.cs.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16596; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:06:15 -0400 Received: from CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU by thialfi.cs.cornell.edu (5.67/I-1.99G) id AA28008; Fri, 14 Oct 94 14:05:20 -0400 Received: from HARBARD.CS.CORNELL.EDU by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (5.67/I-1.99F) id AA00584; Fri, 14 Oct 94 14:05:24 -0400 From: glade@cs.cornell.edu (Bradford Glade) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 14:05:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9410141805.AA12998@harbard.cs.cornell.edu> Received: by harbard.cs.cornell.edu (5.67/N-0.13aa) id AA12998; Fri, 14 Oct 94 14:05:17 -0400 To: msmith@netcom.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: (msmith@netcom.com) Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's >>>>> "martin" == Martin P Smith writes: martin> I also called and got the same info. The availability of 540 martin> is next week, for the 810 is about 2 weeks. martin> Is there any way we can organize a group purchase ? I too am interested in this. (I think that makes three of us now.) The price break is better for the 540MB drives ($200 dollar savings vs. $100). My preference is still for the 810MB drive, but I'd be happy with any of the options. Are other folks interested in this? Anyone feel like taking control and managing the order? -Brad. From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23503 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:24:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21566; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:05:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:05:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21482; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:04:55 -0400 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15116; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:58:42 -0500 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA70575; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:00:06 -0500 From: rol@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9410141900.AA70575@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: Help with using 755 w/SCSI To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (IBM 750 newsgroup) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:00:06 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to get the Thinkpad 750 to work with the internal SCSI device (I ordered and got the special SCSI cable from IBM PC Direct). I can't find the diskette that has FDSDA.EXE, the SCSI diagnostics utility. Where is it? I can't find it on the optionis diskette. Thanks! P.S. Has anyone got a Thinkpad with a ACE FlashRam card? Can you send me your config.sys? Thanks! -- | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | | ** B'days are good for health ** | | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10163 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:05:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26476; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:03:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:03:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fndaud.fnal.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26466; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:03:31 -0400 Received: by fndaud.fnal.gov id AA02449 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:02:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:02:55 -0500 From: Lourdu Udumula Message-Id: <199410142002.AA02449@fndaud.fnal.gov> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu Subject: Re: New Thinkpads on Monday Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Oct 14 14:46:46 1994 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:20:33 EDT > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:20:22 -0400 (EDT) > From: Joshua Hosseinoff > To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Subject: New Thinkpads on Monday > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > TEXT/PLAIN> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > Content-Length: 827 > > Today's Wall Street Journal says that IBM will announce all their new > computer model types on Monday. Apparently the PS/2 and Valuepoint will > be discontinued and the computers will be called just "The IBM PC" > with a 300 series and a 700 series (just like the notebooks). The 300 > series will be the value brand with prices starting at about $1200. The > 700 series will the high-end models. All 700 series will be Pentiums. > The new Thinkpads will have some innovative features such as, built in > CD-ROM drives, digital telephone-answering system, and an infrared device > to beam files from one machine to another. > They also said that they will boost production of color screen Thinkpads > by four times the level of the first half of 1994, but that probably > still won't be enough. > > Joshua Hosseinoff > hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > > If you know what mosaic and www and internet is then there is a home page for ibm which has announcements. The url is http://www.ibm.com Lourdu Udumula From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15476 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:18:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26927; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:10:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:10:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26912; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:10:09 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23875; Fri, 14 Oct 94 13:12:02 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 13:12:02 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410142012.AA23875@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: IBM Pentium laptops There was a big article in EE Times about the upcomming Pentium laptops. The general gist of the article was that they are horrible! The Pentium Intel is intending for laptops are Tab-bonded -- they are a 3.3V P5 die mounted exposed on a polymer substrate. Only megalithic corporations like IBM have the facilities to manufacture Tab-bonded sytems. Even Compaq was interviewed in the article as questioning whether they would invest the funds necessary. The other aspect of this is that the Pentium still draws power like a heat gun, even in its 3.3V incarnation. In other words, the Pentium _must_ be cooled, especially in a laptop where there is no air circulation. I've heard rumors that IBM's solution to this problem is to use a liquid cooling pad mounted on top of the P5 Tab package which circulates the cooling fluid out to heat fins on the back of the laptop. To make matters worse, a Pentium will have lousy performance without an L2 cache. The static RAM used in caches draws almost as much power as a Pentium chip (you know, on the order of an electric freight train). The bottom line is that the first Pentium laptops will be in the same situation as the first 486 laptops -- battery life in minutes, lousy performance, and overheating problems. On another note, I've been hoping for a higher resolution LCD panel. The engineers that design these systems said that text display in 800x600 on a 9.5 inch panel is so small as to be unreadable. The 10.4 inch display is marginal, but only available in large quantities as dual scan passive. I have heard other rumors that in fact the 700 series will have an available internal CD-ROM, as well as integrated stereo speakers. I'd rather see IBM spend their time making a PowerPC 603-based laptop which runs Windoze :) spoke with some e Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16488 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:20:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26437; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:02:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:02:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26423; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:02:24 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA06580; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:02:08 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id NAA19812; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:02:02 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410142002.NAA19812@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's To: glade@cs.cornell.edu (Bradford Glade) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9410141805.AA12998@harbard.cs.cornell.edu> from "Bradford Glade" at Oct 14, 94 02:05:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > martin> I also called and got the same info. The availability of 540 > martin> is next week, for the 810 is about 2 weeks. > > martin> Is there any way we can organize a group purchase ? > > I too am interested in this. (I think that makes three of us now.) The > price break is better for the 540MB drives ($200 dollar savings > vs. $100). My preference is still for the 810MB drive, but I'd be > happy with any of the options. Are other folks interested in this? > Anyone feel like taking control and managing the order? > > -Brad. Certainly not meaning to offend anyone, but if I were to purchase a drive in this manner (and I'd like to--just not sure of the finances), I think it would be best if one of the "old-timers" of the list--someone we can presumably trust with the $--took the money and made the batch order. Or perhaps we can just convince Sigma Data that members of the ThinkPad list could mention the list and recieve the group order discount? That would be much better! ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18674 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:26:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27308; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:15:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:15:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27298; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:15:23 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23987; Fri, 14 Oct 94 13:17:32 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 13:17:32 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410142017.AA23987@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Martin P. Smith" ' dated: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:34:44 -0700 (PDT) > I also called and got the same info. The availability of 540 is > next week, for the 810 is about 2 weeks. Just remember guys, that as soon as you go above 520, you're talking enhanced IDE -- you won't have 32-bit disk access under Windows. Also, it would be a good idea to check whether the 750's have an enhanced IDE controller chip. Does anyone know which disk controller chips the 750 and 755 use? Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11867 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:33:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03245; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:31:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:31:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03235; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:31:42 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26274; Fri, 14 Oct 94 14:33:48 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 14:33:48 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410142133.AA26274@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 32-bit disk access on >512M >> The problem I'm frustrated with, is that according to the 75x FAQ, 32-bit >> disk acesses should work on the ThinkPad with WFW 3.11. However, when >> I turn on 32-bit disk acesses in the 386 enhanced menu, I get the following >> error when Windows reboots: > >> The Microsoft Windows 32-bit driver (WDCTRL) >> validation failed at phase 07, 1F > >> To continue starting Windows without using the 32-bit >> disk driver, press any key > >> Has anyone successfully used 32-bit disk acess on the 755's? Is it possible >> that I new a BIOS update? (I have 1.07). Is it possible that something >> that Sigma Data is doing is incompatible with 32-bit disk acesses? > >> Thanks, >> >> Robert George >> (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) > The IDE spec only allows drives < 512MB. The ThinkPad BIOS adds support > for > 512MB, which allows the drive to be accessed. However, 32-bot disk > access circumvents the BIOS, therefore Windows can;t understand your drive. > > CONCLUSION: You can't use 32-bit disk access on ThinkPads with > 512MB > drives. > > -- > Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, > adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! > Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai > Well, not exactly. The enhanced IDE BIOS is called a "translation BIOS." I beleive that what is happening is that the BIOS intercepts disk requests, expands it from 7-bit addressing (512M) to whatever the upper limit of EIDE (does anyone know what this limit is?), and passes it to the disk controller. Western Digital _does_ have support for 32-bit disk access for some hard drives. There is a FASTDISK driver available from WD, but it is intended to provide 32-bit disk access in Windows 3.1, not WFW 3.11. I couldn't get it to work on the ThinkPad, but there's still some hacking left to do. Peter Bernota (peter.bernota@execnet.com) was kind enough to inform me of a new WFW 3.11 driver (wdctlr) from 8/22/94. This is another good possibility. >From the benchmarks I have seen, the 32-bit disk access really is worth all this effort. With 32-bit disk and file access, WFW caches disks 3 times faster that Smartdrive, which was in turn faster than all the other 3rd party cache programs. Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14281 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:41:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03979; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:42:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:42:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03962; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:42:34 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA00625; Fri, 14 Oct 94 17:42:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 17:42:14 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410142142.AA00625@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Pentium laptops text display on 800x600 on a 9.5" panel is so small as to be unreadable What the HECK does that mean, obviously you choose your font size so that the text is whatever size you want. What it does mean is that the text would be noticeably less grainy, and THAT would be welcome. From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21316 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:13:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05836; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:09:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:09:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05824; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:09:55 -0400 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id PAA26123; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:07:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's To: Robert George Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410142017.AA23987@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The latest BIOS allows for the larger hard drives I believe. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Robert George wrote: > > > I also called and got the same info. The availability of 540 is > > next week, for the 810 is about 2 weeks. > > Just remember guys, that as soon as you go above 520, you're talking > enhanced IDE -- you won't have 32-bit disk access under Windows. > > Also, it would be a good idea to check whether the 750's have an > enhanced IDE controller chip. > > Does anyone know which disk controller chips the 750 and 755 use? > > > Robert George > (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22207 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:19:02 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06341; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:18:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:18:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06331; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:18:25 -0400 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id PAA27275; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:16:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's To: Randal Whittle Cc: Bradford Glade , TP In-Reply-To: <199410142002.NAA19812@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am willing to ask Sigma Data next week if they would be willing to do this. I will call during the AM PST Monday and let you all know the result. If we all use the same contact name then maybe this will work for us. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > martin> I also called and got the same info. The availability of 540 > > martin> is next week, for the 810 is about 2 weeks. > > > > martin> Is there any way we can organize a group purchase ? > > > > I too am interested in this. (I think that makes three of us now.) The > > price break is better for the 540MB drives ($200 dollar savings > > vs. $100). My preference is still for the 810MB drive, but I'd be > > happy with any of the options. Are other folks interested in this? > > Anyone feel like taking control and managing the order? > > > > -Brad. > > Certainly not meaning to offend anyone, but if I were to > purchase a drive in this manner (and I'd like to--just not sure of the > finances), I think it would be best if one of the "old-timers" of the > list--someone we can presumably trust with the $--took the money > and made the batch order. > > Or perhaps we can just convince Sigma Data that members of the > ThinkPad list could mention the list and recieve the group order > discount? That would be much better! > > ----- ________________________________ > Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | > USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| > (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | > right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | > -------------------------------- > From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 19:59:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04989 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:30:32 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10686; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:46:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:46:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10676; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:46:35 -0400 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id QAA21599; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:44:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:44:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Undocumented test capabilities To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had IBM here today fixing my trackpoint AGAIN!! ( I have broken two in six months ). Anyway you can do aditional testing and loop testing by going into the test portion of setup and typeing A. a little beeping later you will see additional capabilities for tool and looptest. But wait there's more, if you type K you can do keyboard tests. I played around and found out that E shows what appears to be an error log ( presumably from the looptests. ) Just thought I share this snippet of info. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 20:37:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13811 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:27:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14191; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:46:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:46:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14180; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:46:27 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01157; Fri, 14 Oct 94 17:48:37 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 17:48:36 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410150048.AA01157@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Martin P. Smith" ' dated: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) > The latest BIOS allows for the larger hard drives I believe. > > Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM > BIOS 1.04 and higher support the enhanced IDE drives. I'm looking for updated Windows for Workgroups drivers that support 32-bit disk access to enhanced IDE drives. Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 20:37:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15195 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:34:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13871; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:41:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:41:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13859; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:41:11 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA26977; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:41:08 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA27804; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:40:57 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410150040.RAA27804@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Help with using 755 w/SCSI To: rol@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9410141900.AA70575@lochness.uhc.com> from "Roleigh Martin" at Oct 14, 94 02:00:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > P.S. Has anyone got a Thinkpad with a ACE FlashRam card? Can > you send me your config.sys? Thanks! > | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | Roleigh, I have an ACE Flash Memory card that I use in my HP 100LX palmtop and have also successfully used it in my ThinkPad 750C. I don't do it on a regular basis (so I don't have a CONFIG.SYS to share with you), but I can tell you this much: You have to use the PCMCIA drivers that are in IBM PC-DOS 6.x, NOT the ones that are part of the ThinkPad drivers. Using the PC-DOS PCMCIA drivers (which also means no "EZPlay", I think) is the only way, and one of the things you have to do is put in a driver to recognize an "ATA"-type device (which is what your flashcard is)--check the PC-DOS manual for details. It should work like a charm. Good luck! ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 21:08:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16481 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:42:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14827; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:58:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:58:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14817; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:58:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199410150058.UAA14817@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-75.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04505; Fri, 14 Oct 94 19:56:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 19:56:09 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: 32-bit disk access on 755 (fwd) X-Mailer: >The IDE spec only allows drives < 512MB. The ThinkPad BIOS adds support >for > 512MB, which allows the drive to be accessed. However, 32-bot disk >access circumvents the BIOS, therefore Windows can;t understand your drive. > >CONCLUSION: You can't use 32-bit disk access on ThinkPads with > 512MB >drives. Is this with > 512mb hard drives or with >512mb partitions? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 21:08:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18383 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:55:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15521; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:11:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:11:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15511; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:11:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199410150111.VAA15511@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-75.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05364; Fri, 14 Oct 94 20:08:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 20:08:48 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: IBM Pentium laptops X-Mailer: >There was a big article in EE Times about the upcomming Pentium laptops. >The general gist of the article was that they are horrible! The Pentium >Intel is intending for laptops are Tab-bonded -- they are a 3.3V P5 >die mounted exposed on a polymer substrate. Only megalithic corporations >like IBM have the facilities to manufacture Tab-bonded sytems. Even >Compaq was interviewed in the article as questioning whether they would >invest the funds necessary. That's interesting since Midwest Micro has a Pentium 90 notebook out. I don't know it's performance but it's got an L2 cache, is PCI, and 64-bit. It also includes an IR port as well as 16550UART, EPP, etc. Looks very packed. Now, we know Midwest Micro didn't make this machine, but who did? I don't see any other ads for any Pentium notebooks yet. And also, Toshiba has a Pentium machine coming out. It could be that Intel is still trying to play their low-power notebook and get rid of their CPUs somehow game -- relegate a lower power CPU to notebooks (say the 75MHz) and make more of a gradient... I'm really getting sick of Intel. >The bottom line is that the first Pentium laptops will be in the same >situation as the first 486 laptops -- battery life in minutes, lousy >performance, and overheating problems. Yes, but like the first 486s, the first Pentium notebooks will still run rings around current 486 notebooks. Desktop 486s still run rings around notebook 486s. >On another note, I've been hoping for a higher resolution LCD panel. The >engineers that design these systems said that text display in 800x600 on >a 9.5 inch panel is so small as to be unreadable. The 10.4 inch display >is marginal, but only available in large quantities as dual scan passive. Who cares what they think. Just put the damn things out and let the market decide! ;) >I'd rather see IBM spend their time making a PowerPC 603-based laptop >which runs Windoze :) Bah, I'd rather see the 603+ chip running OS/2! :) Or even MacOS. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 21:08:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18782 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:57:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15645; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:13:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:13:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15617; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:13:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199410150113.VAA15617@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-75.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05492; Fri, 14 Oct 94 20:10:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 20:10:39 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's X-Mailer: >finances), I think it would be best if one of the "old-timers" of the >list--someone we can presumably trust with the $--took the money >and made the batch order. > > Or perhaps we can just convince Sigma Data that members of the >ThinkPad list could mention the list and recieve the group order >discount? That would be much better! Well, I think the second idea would be ideal. I'd volunteer but since I won't be ordering a hard drive, the task may be better suited to you Randal, since you're a long-time member of this list and you're also planning to get a hard-drive. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 21:40:56 1994 Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22775 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:20:14 -0500 Received: from bael.umd.umich.edu (adam@bael.umd.umich.edu [141.215.69.9]) by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA29404; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:20:10 -0400 Received: (adam@localhost) by bael.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA15105; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:20:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Wilkinson X-Sender: adam@bael.umd.umich.edu To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 32-bit disk access on 755 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199410150058.UAA14817@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > >The IDE spec only allows drives < 512MB. The ThinkPad BIOS adds support > >for > 512MB, which allows the drive to be accessed. However, 32-bot disk > >access circumvents the BIOS, therefore Windows can;t understand your drive. > > > >CONCLUSION: You can't use 32-bit disk access on ThinkPads with > 512MB > >drives. > > Is this with > 512mb hard drives or with >512mb partitions? > --- > Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 > > This is the drive size, not the partition size. -- Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 22:24:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25982 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:39:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17830; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:53:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:53:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17814; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:53:17 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA06333 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:53:06 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs28.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs28.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs28.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs28.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:52:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: more memory for 755Cs Well, I just ordered a TP755Cs. It's bare, 4meg RAM and 170MB harddisk. anyway, I'll want to upgrade the memory to 20meg using the 16meg IC DRAM >from IBM. But I read that I can get them cheaper from third party vendors. Can someone give me a phone number of these vendors? thanks in advance. From ???@??? Fri Oct 14 23:17:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06615 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:52:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22374; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:11:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:11:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22364; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:11:24 -0400 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id TAA25410; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:52:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:52:52 -0700 From: zack@netcom.com (Zack T. Smith) Message-Id: <199410150252.TAA25410@netcom6.netcom.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Is Thinkpad 360 SX33 CPU socketed, therefore upgradeable? Hi, This is really several questions: 1. Is the SX33 CPU in the Thinkpad 360 socketed? 2. Does it run at 3.3 volts or at 5 volts? 3. Can I take out the SX33-SL and put in a DX2/66 or DX4/100? 4. Would a CPU swap require a heatsink? 5. Would a CPU swap require a new bios? I've heard that the DX2/66 chips are only produced in 5-volt versions. Is the DX4/100 a 3.3 volt part? Which might I be able to use with the 360? Thanks for any info. Zack Smith zack@netcom.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 15 12:36:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23707 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:00:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29107; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:19:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:18:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29097; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:18:57 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA08920; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:18:54 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA22673; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:18:50 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410150518.WAA22673@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199410150113.VAA15617@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sean Chou" at Oct 14, 94 08:10:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >finances), I think it would be best if one of the "old-timers" of the > >list--someone we can presumably trust with the $--took the money > >and made the batch order. > > > > Or perhaps we can just convince Sigma Data that members of the > >ThinkPad list could mention the list and recieve the group order > >discount? That would be much better! > > Well, I think the second idea would be ideal. I'd volunteer but > since I won't be ordering a hard drive, the task may be better > suited to you Randal, since you're a long-time member of this > list and you're also planning to get a hard-drive. > --- > Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 Whoa there! I said I'd *like* to get a hard drive--that doesn't mean I *can*. Frankly, I'd go ahead and go into debt to get it (what's another $1,000 on my credit card, right?), but I have a baby being born in December and I don't think my wife would appreciate it, what with all the new expenses we'll have to bear. So *sigh*--I'd like to, but I simply can't right now--at least not until I have a better handle on things and settle in. Right now there's too much that is unexpected and I don't want to get caught with my financial pants down... ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Oct 15 12:36:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24221 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:03:56 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29894; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:26:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:26:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29884; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:26:53 -0400 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id WAA01922; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:24:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Hosmer Subject: Re: Help with using 755 w/SCSI To: Roleigh Martin Cc: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: <9410141900.AA70575@lochness.uhc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't understand your referance to "internal SCSI." Is this some sort of SCSI controller on-board the 750? shosmer@netcom.com On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Roleigh Martin wrote: > I'm trying to get the Thinkpad 750 to work with the internal > SCSI device (I ordered and got the special SCSI cable from IBM PC > Direct). I can't find the diskette that has FDSDA.EXE, the SCSI > diagnostics utility. Where is it? I can't find it on the optionis > diskette. > Thanks! > P.S. Has anyone got a Thinkpad with a ACE FlashRam card? Can > you send me your config.sys? Thanks! > -- > | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | > | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | > | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | > | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | > | ** B'days are good for health ** | > | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | > | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | > From ???@??? Sat Oct 15 12:37:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04090 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 09:47:58 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06994; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 10:09:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 10:09:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from icebox.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06984; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 10:08:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfid@localhost) by icebox.mfltd.co.uk (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA16446 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:11:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199410151411.PAA16446@icebox.mfltd.co.uk> From: jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:11:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: Robert George's note of Oct 14, 1:17pm To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's Robert George wrote: > > Does anyone know which disk controller chips the 750 and 755 use? > When I boot from my Linux install bootdisk, it reports : "FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077" Means nothing to me, though. It's just a shame that I can't get the boot kernel to load the root disk -- I get a floppy I/O error. I think I may still need to do some work on the boot kernel, but I'm not sure where, yet. James. -- "Yield to temptation -- | it may not pass your way again" | jfid@mfltd.co.uk | - Lazarus Long | James Fidell From ???@??? Sat Oct 15 12:37:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12343 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 10:57:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10643; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:13:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:13:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10633; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:12:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Is Thinkpad 360 SX33 CPU socketed, therefore upgradeable? To: "Zack T. Smith" Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:12:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst Cc: TP750 Mailing List In-Reply-To: <199410150252.TAA25410@netcom6.netcom.com> from "Zack T. Smith" at Oct 14, 94 07:52:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9410151112.aa06225@dogmead.excelsior.com> > 1. Is the SX33 CPU in the Thinkpad 360 socketed? Apparently not. I haven't opened my machine up to confirm, but I have heard that it is surface-mounted. It occurs to me that it might be possible to install the 755 processor upgrade (which I presume is a board swap) in a 360 -- anybody know if that's feasible? -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 15 12:37:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14488 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:12:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11666; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:31:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:31:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11654; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:31:32 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id LAA06110; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:30:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199410151530.LAA06110@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:11:18 BST." <199410151411.PAA16446@icebox.mfltd.co.uk> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:30:10 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > > > > Does anyone know which disk controller chips the 750 and 755 use? > > > > When I boot from my Linux install bootdisk, it reports : > > "FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077" > > Means nothing to me, though. It's just a shame that I can't get the boot > kernel to load the root disk -- I get a floppy I/O error. That's either because the thinkpad has a different floppy drive type than Linux is used to, or because the thinkpad floppy's disk change line has the opposite assertion level than nearly every other PC on the planet. Both of these problems have been solved, but the bottom line is that the thinkpad requires a different version of Linux. Do you know about the Linux-on-a-ThinkPad web page? It's at: http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/html/linux-thinkpad.html From ???@??? Sat Oct 15 20:33:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19180 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:01:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00920; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:21:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:20:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from EIGER.EDRC.CMU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00904; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:20:57 -0400 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.EIGER.EDRC.CMU.EDU.pmax.mach via MS.5.6.EIGER.EDRC.CMU.EDU.pmax_mach; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4ic4SOa00hMd01MYU1@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert.Patrick@cs.cmu.edu To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's In-Reply-To: <199410151530.LAA06110@wilma.cs.utk.edu> References: <199410151530.LAA06110@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Excerpts from internet.computing.tp750: 15-Oct-94 Re: Disks for 75x's Keith Moore@CS.UTK.EDU (771) > > When I boot from my Linux install bootdisk, it reports : > > > > "FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077" > > > > Means nothing to me, though. It's just a shame that I > can't get the > boot kernel to load the root disk -- I get a > > floppy I/O error. > That's either because the thinkpad has a different floppy drive type > than Linux is used to, or because the thinkpad floppy's disk change line > has the opposite assertion level than nearly every other PC on the > planet. > Both of these problems have been solved, but the bottom line is that the > thinkpad requires a different version of Linux. No, it just requires a different boot disk to get started. The newer versions of the kernel have fixed these problems, although you may need add "-Ddoes_not_work_for_everybody_with_scsi_but_helps_ibm_vp" to your CFLAGS in /usr/src/linux/drivers/block/Makefile before compiling the kernel. Cheers, > Robert From ???@??? Sat Oct 15 20:33:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23695 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:22:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12322; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:48:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:48:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12312; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:48:50 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA02062 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:48:45 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA42423; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:48:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:48:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Thinkpad 355/360? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can someone explain to me what the difference is between the 355 and the 360? As far as I can tell there doesn't seem to be any difference at all except for the name. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From ???@??? Mon Oct 17 01:44:47 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05901 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:01:17 -0500 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18639; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:00:30 -0500 Message-Id: <9410160600.AA18639@faroe.vp.uiuc.edu> Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa00400; 16 Oct 94 1:53 EDT Received: from auvm.american.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa00396; 16 Oct 94 1:52 EDT Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4637; Sun, 16 Oct 94 01:51:02 EDT Received: from american.edu (NJE origin ASOLOMO@AUVM) by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2229; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:51:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 01:46:59 EDT From: Ari Solomon Organization: The American University Subject: IBM PCMCIA -- install quick? To: TP500 Discussion List Hello, I've been staring at this IBM PCMCIA fax/modem (42G-2581) for a week now -- I tried the user's manual, but it's written in IBM'ese. Can someone tell me the 3 or so things to do to get it running? Like, do I have to install any system software? Shouldn't it already be pre-loaded on my 500? I'm sure it's simple as pie, but IBM couldn't make it seem that way...or maybe I'm just overextended. :) thank you! From ???@??? Mon Oct 17 01:44:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27874 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 13:46:56 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16916; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 13:59:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 13:59:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16906; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 13:59:25 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06486; Sun, 16 Oct 94 11:01:34 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 11:01:34 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410161801.AA06486@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 32-bit disk access on 755 >> The problem I'm frustrated with, is that according to the 75x FAQ, 32-bit >> disk acesses should work on the ThinkPad with WFW 3.11. However, when >> I turn on 32-bit disk acesses in the 386 enhanced menu, I get the following >> error when Windows reboots: > >> The Microsoft Windows 32-bit driver (WDCTRL) >> validation failed at phase 07, 1F > >> To continue starting Windows without using the 32-bit >> disk driver, press any key > >> Has anyone successfully used 32-bit disk acess on the 755's? Is it possible >> that I new a BIOS update? (I have 1.07). Is it possible that something >> that Sigma Data is doing is incompatible with 32-bit disk acesses? > >> Thanks, >> >> Robert George >> (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) > The IDE spec only allows drives < 512MB. The ThinkPad BIOS adds support > for > 512MB, which allows the drive to be accessed. However, 32-bot disk > access circumvents the BIOS, therefore Windows can;t understand your drive. > > CONCLUSION: You can't use 32-bit disk access on ThinkPads with > 512MB > drives. > > -- > Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, > adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! > Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai > Well, not exactly. The enhanced IDE BIOS is called a "translation BIOS." I beleive that what is happening is that the BIOS intercepts disk requests, expands it from 7-bit addressing (512M) to whatever the upper limit of EIDE (does anyone know what this limit is?), and passes it to the disk controller. Western Digital _does_ have support for 32-bit disk access for some hard drives. There is a FASTDISK driver available from WD, but it is intended to provide 32-bit disk access in Windows 3.1, not WFW 3.11. I couldn't get it to work on the ThinkPad, but there's still some hacking left to do. Peter Bernota (peter.bernota@execnet.com) was kind enough to inform me of a new WFW 3.11 driver (wdctlr) from 8/22/94. This is another good possibility. >From the benchmarks I have seen, the 32-bit disk access really is worth all this effort. With 32-bit disk and file access, WFW caches disks 3 times faster that Smartdrive, which was in turn faster than all the other 3rd party cache programs. Robert George (george@cs.nps.navy.mil) From ???@??? Mon Oct 17 01:44:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25690 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 15:40:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24445; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:01:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:01:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24434; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:01:48 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA13930 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:01:38 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:01:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: where can I get the FAQ? the subject says it all. thanks From ???@??? Mon Oct 17 01:44:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24280 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:38:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01187; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:53:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:53:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01177; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:53:33 -0400 From: Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id OAA25206; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 14:50:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199410162150.OAA25206@netcom11.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP purchase advice Date: 10/15/94 6:15:03 PM Organization: spine.com Reply-To: jesse@netcom.com On Thu, 13 Oct 1994 9:15:40 -0400 (EDT) "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386" wrote: > I have a TP 755Cs with a 340 HD and 12 megs of ram. I am pretty pleased > with the dual scan. I couldn't justify the extra money for an active matrix > although I would have liked it. I decided I needed a DX because of the > coprocessor for numeric work so I would'nt consider a machine without it. I'll second that, I have the same configuration, and I'm quite satisfied. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20114 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:49:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07243; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:22:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:22:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07207; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:29 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA01631 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:16 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44765; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Thinkpads Info (Long) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lots of stuff in these new thinkpads, surprisingly they're only 486 DX4 100's and not Pentium 75's like Toshiba came out with 2 weeks ago. But otherwise great features. ---------------------------- IBM ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD Announced on October 17, 1994 PRODUCT Announcement 194-352 New color models of the ThinkPad(R) 755 family emphasize faster performance and advanced function: integrated Mwave(TM) Digital Signal Processor (DSP), providing stereo audio support, .WAV and MIDI audio support, integrated 14.4K data/fax modem support, full-feature telephony support (speaker phone and telephone answering machine) and dial volume control. Integrated infrared (IR) for wireless data/file transfer and an integrated 5.25-inch CD-ROM are also included. The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems are light-weight, battery- or AC-operated portable notebook computers designed to fit into a briefcase. These computers should appeal to business, education, and government professionals who can benefit from a portable system while traveling or at the office or home. A ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, or 755CD system, combined with any one of the four IBM docking solutions offered by IBM, can easily become your primary personal computer, effectively replacing the desktop system unit. Even without the docking solution, the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, or 755CD can easily serve as a primary system by virtue of its large color display, high-capacity hard disk drive, large RAM capability, local bus video, 100MHz microprocessor and two Type II or one Type III PCMCIA slot. Host connectivity can be provided by PCMCIA PC cards. With its fast processor (100MHz), large capacity hard disk storage up to 810MB (MB = million bytes), infrared, and DSP, these ThinkPads are the notebook of choice. The 755CE and 755CD feature a large 10.4-inch (picture measured diagonally) Active Matrix (Black Matrix on Array), reduced reflectivity, TFT Color Display with 65,536 simultaneous color support. The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems provide innovative technology and instant productivity with preinstalled software, and the outstanding service and support available are valuable complements. If you need more advanced and integrated multimedia capability -- CD-ROM, audio, and video in combination -- consider the ThinkPad 755CD system solution. The integrated CD-ROM, enhanced video card, stereo speakers, and other features make the ThinkPad 755CD MPC2-compliant, allowing it to compete with much heavier and less integrated multimedia systems. The standard multimedia features of the ThinkPad 755CD set it apart from the rest of the ThinkPad family and competition. New optional features for these ThinkPad systems are: o IBM ThinkPad 8MB Memory Module o IBM ThinkPad NiMH Battery Pack II o IBM ThinkPad Headset o IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA Cartridge (diskette drive bay) Single Unit Price Range: $4,899 -- $8,149 Planned Availability Dates: o October 17, 1994, for the ThinkPad 755CE o October 31, 1994, for the ThinkPad 755CD o November 17, 1994, for the ThinkPad 755CSE (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation IN BRIEF . . . +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD | | | | These new additions to the ThinkPad family provide function and | | performance unmatched anywhere in the industry. Experience | | portable computing through the integration of the following | | functions: | | | | o IntelDX4 100MHz processor (3.3 volt) | | o Large memory capacity (8MB to 40MB) | | o High-capacity hard disks: 340MB (except 755CD), 540MB, and | | 810MB | | o Local bus video with acceleration | | o IBM Mwave Digital Signal Processor (DSP) subsystem | | o Built in microphone and speaker | | o Dial volume control | | o Infrared | | o TrackPoint III | | o Full complement of ports for peripheral connections | | o 240-pin docking connector | | o Removable 1.44MB diskette drive | | o Type III PCMCIA slot | | o Large 10.4-inch Active Matrix TFT Color Display (755CD, | | 755CD) with 65,536 simultaneous color support | | o Large 10.4-inch Passive Matrix Dual Scan LCD Color Display | | (755CSE) | | o Preinstalled software | | o On-screen electronic personalization | | o Integrated 5.25-inch CD-ROM, enhanced video, and stereo | | speakers for the 755CD | | | | Technical Support | | | | o ThinkPad EasyServ | | o International Warranty Service | | o HelpWare(R) for full range of service and support | | o HelpCenter(R) (800-772-2227) | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ DESCRIPTION ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD Features and Characteristics The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD are new additions to the IBM ThinkPad family, offering advanced function across all areas of the system. Displays: With these new models, IBM introduces new LCD technology, providing larger viewing areas, brighter displays, higher contrast ratios, less glare and higher resolution than other LCDs on the market today. These new models have the 10.4-inch (picture measured diagonally) Black Matrix on Array Thin Film Transistor (TFT) or Dual Scan Super Twist Nematic (STN) Liquid Crystal Display (LCD). These are bright Active Matrix and Passive Matrix displays. The TFT Black Matrix on Array (reduced reflectivity) display provides superior viewing capability outdoors and lessens the glare indoors. The TFT panel, with the appropriate display driver, can display up to 65,536 simultaneous colors while the Dual Scan STN can display up to 256 simultaneous colors out of a palette of 4,096 colors. Both displays support simultaneous LCD and external CRT viewing. Processor: At the heart of these systems is the IntelDX4 100MHz microprocessor with an internal cache of 16K and floating point processor providing exceptional performance. Memory: The systems come standard with 8MB RAM, upgradeable to a total of 40MB. This high capacity and fast memory (70ns) can handle almost any application the mobile professional may have to execute and provides data integrity through parity checking. PCMCIA: The Type III slot can accommodate either two Type I, two Type II, or one Type III PC card. If additional PCMCIA cards are required, the optional ThinkPad PCMCIA Cartridge may be placed in the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE and 755CD UltraBay(TM) providing an additional Type III slot. The UltraBay not only can accommodate this new option, but it can also house the optional 2.88MB diskette drive, TV Tuner, or CDPD module. The CDPD module is not available on the ThinkPad 755CD. IBM PC Card Director software is preloaded on the systems and provides support for the latest PCMCIA standard, 2.1. This software "enables" many PCMCIA cards, allowing the user to simply plug the card in. Refer to the PC Card Director section for more details on this software. Keyboard and TrackPoint III: The keyboard has the familiar ThinkPad layout with a function key capability allowing the user to quickly access system functions like Power Management control. The keyboard lifts up allowing access to the diskette drive bay, hard disk drive bay, and battery for quick upgrades or battery changes. The TrackPoint III is an enhanced TrackPoint(TM) II with improved non-slip TrackPoint cap and more accurate pointing capability through improved software. The function of the click buttons has been enhanced by adding "drag and drop" capability. This allows the customer to lock and hold the buttons in without having to keep pushing on them. Storage: The hard drives are customer installable and come in capacities of 340MB, 540MB, or 810MB. They are easily removed by lifting up the keyboard. A user could have multiple "systems" just by installing a different hard drive. Systems could also be shared by users who have their own hard drives but no ThinkPad system units. A 1.44MB diskette drive comes standard with all the systems. All of these systems have the UltraBay standard. The UltraBay is an intelligent bay that switches its pin-out signals to allow the installation of a diskette drive, hard disk drive, PCMCIA cartridge, or CD-ROM (755CD only) in what would normally be just the floppy diskette drive bay. The 755CD ships with a 5.25-inch CD ROM with XA (extended architecture), double speed (150/300kps), in the UltraBay instead of the diskette drive. IBM Mwave Digital Signal Processor (DSP): Features the Mwave MDSP2780, operating at up to 60 million operations per second, that integrates audio, games, music, data/fax modem, and telephony into a Digital Signal Processor (DSP). o 44.1KHz MPC-2 16 bit audio with real-time compression o Simultaneous audio play and record o Digital audio mixing with up to eight open .WAV sources o General MIDI-compatible, 32-voice wavetable synthesizer o Sound Blaster** support o 14.4K data/fax modem o Full-featured telephone o Answering machine with variable-speed message playback and voice compression o Hands-free, full-duplex speaker phone o Features set can be enhanced simply through upgrading DSP software Electronic Access to Class II Fax Support: The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, 755CD Class II Fax support may be retrieved electronically through the IBM Personal Computer Company Bulletin Board System (PCC BBS) sponsored by the HelpCenter in Raleigh, North Carolina. The upgrade software will be available on or before November 30, 1994. The PCC BBS is available 24 hours a day on a toll-call basis with no access charge to the bulletin board. To access the PCC BBS call 919-517-0001. Requirements for the asynchronous electronic connection to the PCC BBS are: o A modem that supports 1,200 to 14,400 baud o Communication software that supports 8-bit file transfers o A switched telephone line The modem should be set to: o Eight data bits o One stop bit o No parity At the PCC BBS main menu, type D THKPDCL2.EXE and press the Enter key. Follow the online instructions to download THKPDCL2.EXE to your hard drive. THKPDCL2.EXE is a self-extracting diskette image file. You will need to have a formatted 1.44MB diskette available when you execute THKPDCL2.EXE from your hard drive. When you execute THKPDCL2.EXE, your ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, 755CD Class II Fax support install disk will be created. To install the Class II fax upgrade follow the instructions in the README.TXT file on the diskette. Infrared: The systems have IR transceivers in front and back for wireless file and data transfer. The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD have been designed for compliance with the IrDA (Infrared Data Association) IR data link specification version 1.0. The systems support three modes of operation: IBM mode (from 57.6 Kbps to 1.15 Mbps)/HP** mode (from 9,600 bps to 115 Kbps)/Sharp** mode (9,600 bps). Software is preloaded that provides wireless file transfer, file synchronization and clipboard data transfer. With the infrared feature, data can be exchanged with the following systems by using the vendor software packages listed below: Systems Software Omnibook 300** LapLink Remote Access** HP 100LX Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX Sharp Wizard PC Interface Software, 9000 Link for PCs, OZ-990(W)** When using the infrared feature to communicate with these systems, the communications distance may be shorter than when communicating with another ThinkPad 755CE, CSE, or CD, depending on the other system's capabilities. Video: The systems have the VESA local bus support with video acceleration providing exceptional video performance. Audio (Also see DSP): The audio capability on the system board (DSP) and the integrated microphone allow voice annotation and audio capability. The systems are equipped with audio in/out jacks for stereo speakers/headphone and external microphone. A separate dial volume control is located to the rear of the keyboard on the system. Other Features: The use of system memory by BIOS, for example, has been significantly reduced. BIOS uses 96KB of system memory (Video: 32KB, all other: 64KB). The systems have the full complement of ports (enhanced parallel port, SVGA, pointer-keyboard, serial). In addition to these, there is a 240-pin connector that supports the four IBM docking solutions: Dock I -- portable docking with a slot and bay; Dock II -- desktop docking with slots, bays and PCMCIA slots; Port Replicator I -- cable manager with a Type III PCMCIA slot; Port Replicator II -- cable manager only. An RJ11 jack is also included because the DSP provides data/fax modem capability with speeds up to 14.4Kbps. ThinkPad 755CD The IBM ThinkPad 755CD is a high-end member of the ThinkPad 755 family. It has all the advanced functions of the 755CE, plus the following integrated functions: o 5.25-inch CD-ROM drive - XA (extended architecture), double speed (150/300kps) - Multi-session Photo CD o Enhanced video card - The Enhanced Video card provides for additional video acceleration (interpolative scaling or smoothing)/Composite IN and S-Video IN for still image and motion video capture, and overlay/Composite OUT and S-Video OUT to TV, and both NTSC and PAL are supported. o Stereo speakers - .5W each - Located on the keyboard above the function keys o MIDI/joystick port The addition of the above function allows the 755CD to comply with the MPC2 multimedia standard. The 755CD has the same preinstalled software as does the 755CE, with the following additions: o Digital Video Producer from Asymetrix to perform video overlay and still image/video capture with the Enhanced Video card o ThinkPad Multimedia Library -- an assortment of CD-ROMs to take advantage of the integrated CD-ROM drive. The "Microsoft Home CD Sampler with Custom Windows Entertainment Pack" will be part of the ThinkPad Multimedia Library while supplies last. The CD-ROM drive fits in the UltraBay and is mutually exclusive with the floppy diskette drive. To use the floppy diskette internally, the CD-ROM drive must first be taken out, which is easily done by the customer. To use the internal CD-ROM and the diskette drive simultaneously, the diskette drive external enclosure and one of the four docking solutions is required. Note: The ThinkPad 755CD will not accept the Mobile Communications module (CDPD). New Options for ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD support most of the options that were announced with the IBM ThinkPad 750C/750Cs (except the battery, quick charger, and security base). The CDPD Communications module cannot be used with the 755CD. New options announced today include: o IBM ThinkPad 8MB Memory Module o IBM ThinkPad NIMH Battery Pack II o IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA Cartridge (diskette drive bay) o IBM ThinkPad Headset PC Card Director with Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver The following information applies to the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems. PC Card Director is provided and helps users get status and information on PCMCIA cards installed in their systems. In addition, on OS/2(R) and on Microsoft** Windows+, it can register an application program for PCMCIA cards and execute them automatically. Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver enables supported PCMCIA cards by sensing them automatically. Supported PCMCIA cards by Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver are listed in the Devices Supported section. PRODUCT POSITIONING The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems are positioned as the highest full-function notebook computers in IBM's family of mobile portable systems. The 755CD is MPC2-compliant. PUBLICATIONS ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD The following diskettes are not shipped with the product. The appropriate user's guide will be shipped with each system. Additional copies of the user's guides and diskettes group will be available at the respective product planned availability date. Order Part Publication Number Number IBM ThinkPad 755CE/CSE User's Guide S19H-1015 19H1015 IBM ThinkPad 755CE/CSE Diskettes Group I (1) S19H-1274 19H1274 IBM ThinkPad 755CE/CSE Diskettes Group II (2) S19H-1017 19H1017 IBM ThinkPad 755CD User's Guide S19H-1013 19H1013 IBM ThinkPad 755CD Diskettes Group I (3) S19H-1275 19H1275 IBM ThinkPad 755CD Diskettes Group II (4) S19H-1254 19H1254 From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20114 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:49:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07243; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:22:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:22:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07207; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:29 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA01631 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:16 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44765; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Thinkpads Info (Long) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The diskettes group contains the following diskettes: o IBM ThinkPad Utility Diskette (1/2/3/4) o IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA Features Diskette (1/2/3/4) o IBM ThinkPad Video Features Diskette (1/2/3/4) o IBM ThinkPad Infrared Features Diskette (1/2/3/4) o IBM ThinkPad Mwave DSP Features Diskette (2/4) o IBM ThinkPad CD-ROM Driver Diskette (3/4) o IBM ThinkPad Enhanced Video Features Diskette (3/4) The following publications will be available on the respective product planned availability date. To order, contact the IBM Software Manufacturing Solutions (ISMS) Hotline at 800-879-2755. Order Part Publication Number Number IBM ThinkPad 755CE/CSE User's Guide S19H-1015 19H1015 IBM ThinkPad 755CE/CSE Diskettes Group I S19H-1274 19H1274 IBM ThinkPad 755CE/CSE Diskettes Group II S19H-1017 19H1017 IBM ThinkPad 755CD User's Guide S19H-1013 19H1013 IBM ThinkPad 755CD Diskettes Group I S19H-1275 19H1275 IBM ThinkPad 755CD Diskettes Group II S19H-1254 19H1254 IBM ThinkPad 755CE/CD Technical Reference S19H-1158 19H1158 IBM ThinkPad 755 Brochure G520-7121 5207121 IBM ThinkPad 755CD Specification Sheet G221-4217 2214217 ThinkPad Proven(TM) Brochure G326-0425 3260425 Note: The Technical Reference will be available in November 1994. The Technical Reference is for programmers, engineers, and others who want to understand the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, or 755CD system unit in greater detail. The publication includes functional specifications, hardware specifications, and pin-outs for peripheral connectors. Service Publications (manuals and diskettes): Order Part Publication Number Number Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 3: ThinkPad Computers S82G-1502 19H1080 Hardware Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 Hardware Maintenance Manual contains service and reference information for IBM ThinkPad computers. The service section includes procedures for isolating problems to a FRU, related service procedures and an illustrated parts catalog. The reference section includes safety information, product description, and general information about system functions. Publications can be ordered from an IBM Authorized Dealer, an IBM representative, or through the Technical Directory. A complete listing of IBM ThinkPad and IBM Personal Computer hardware publications is available by calling the Technical Directory at 800-IBM-PCTB (426-7282). TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD: Battery operation hours and charging hours are: 755CE/ Function 755CSE 755CD Power off/suspend charging 1.2 hrs 1.2 hrs Charging during operation 1.7 hrs 1.7 hrs Quick charging 1.2 hrs 1.2 hrs Battery Operation (Range)(1) 3.3-10.0 hrs 3.0-9.0 hrs(2) (1) Power management and application dependent (2) Power management and application dependent and also on the amount of time that the CD-ROM drive is used Physical Specifications: IBM ThinkPad 755CE AND 755CSE: o Width: 297 mm (11.7 in.) o Depth: 210 mm (8.3 in.) o Height: 49.8 mm (1.96 in.) o Weight: 2.9 kg (6.4 lb) with battery pack and diskette drive o Battery: 525 g (1.16 lb) o Diskette drive: 213 g (0.47 lb) IBM ThinkPad 755CD: o Width: 297.0 mm (11.7 in.) o Depth: 210.0 mm (8.3 in.) o Height: 57.1 mm (2.2 in.) o Weight: 3.3 kg (7.3 lb) with battery pack and CD-ROM drive o Battery: 525 g (1.16 lb) o Diskette drive: 213 g (0.47 lb) Electrical Specifications: o Wall Mount AC adapter: 100-120 V AC, 2.0A, 50/60Hz o Universal AC adapter: 100-240 V AC, 2.0A, 50/60Hz o Battery pack: 8.4V, 3.5AH, 1800mAH/cell, 14 cell/pack Heat Dissipation: o 136 Btu/hr maximum Air Temperature for Shipping and Storage: o -20(degs)C -- 60(degs)C (-4(degs)F -- 140 (degs)F) Relative Humidity for Shipping and Storage: o 5% to 95% RH Acoustic Noise Level: Class 3D (office environment) o Sound pressure level (operator position: 40 dB (operating)) o Sound power level: 5.1 bels (operating); 4.8 bels (idling) Note: The noise emission level stated is the declared (upper limit) sound power level, in bels, for a random sample of machines, typically configured, and operating in idle mode; for example, powered on, but no DASD read/write or other I/O activity. All measurements made in accordance with ANSI S12.10 and reported in conformance with ISO 9296. Operating Environment: Air Temperature: 0 -- 8,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs)C -- 35(degs)C or 41(degs)F -- 95(degs)F (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs)C -- 35(degs)C or 50(degs)F -- 95(degs)F (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs)C -- 43(degs)C or 41(degs)F -- 110(degs)F o Storage/shipment: -20(degs)C -- 60(degs)C or -4(degs)F -- 140(degs)F o Wet bulb (maximum): 29.4(degs)C or 85(degs)F Air Temperature: 8,000 -- 10,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs)C -- 31.3(degs)C or 41(degs)F -- 88(degs)F (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs)C -- 31.3(degs)C or 50(degs)F -- 88(degs)F (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs)C -- 43(degs)C or 41(degs)F -- 110(degs)F o Storage/shipment: -20(degs)C -- 60(degs)C or -4(degs)F -- 140(degs)F o Wet bulb (maximum): 25.7(degs)C or 78(degs)F Note: The maximum temperature when system on is linearly decreased >from 8,000 ft to 10,000 ft. Relative Humidity: o Operating: 8% to 95% RH (without diskette) o Operating: 8% to 80% RH (with diskette inside unit) o Storage/shipment: 5% to 95% RH Altitude: o 10,000 ft maximum (3,048 m) Agency Approvals: o System unit approvals: - FCC Class-B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 FCC ID is ANO9545E (755CE/755CSE) and ANO9545CD (755CD) - VCCI CLASS 2 (0 db) - CISPR22B - UL-1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 950 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - UK-PTT - JATE - SASO o AC/DC adapter approvals: - UL-1950 - CSA-C22.2 No. 223 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - SA - SEV - OVE - DENTORI - NOM Software Requirements: The following operating systems support the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD. Refer to the Limitations section for support issues unique to each operating system. Note: OS/2 Warp, Version 3 will be supported on the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD by November 30, 1994. o IBM PC DOS 6.3, J6.3/V o OS/2 Warp, Version 3 o OS/2 2.11 o OS/2 for Windows 3.1 with CSD XR06300 (call 800-992-4777 to get these APAR and CSD fixes) o MS-DOS 6.22 o Windows 3.11/J3.1 o Windows for Workgroups 3.11 o OS/2 LAN Server Entry Version 4.0 o OS/2 LAN Server Advanced Version 4.0 o OS/2 LAN Server Entry Version 3.0 o OS/2 LAN Server Advanced Version 3.0 o Communications Manager/2 Version 1.1 o DATABASE 2(TM) OS/2 Version 1.0 Compatibility and Supported Products The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems are designed to be compatible with the following peripherals and software products that run on other PS/2(R) systems. Other peripherals may also work but have not been tested by IBM. Devices Supported: PCMCIA: ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems conform to the PCMCIA PC Card Standard release 2.01 and the PCMCIA Card and Socket Services Specification release 2.1, dated July 1993. Other PCMCIA adapters that comply with the PCMCIA PC Card Standard Specification release 2.01 may also function but have not been tested by IBM. Feature Part Description Number Number IBM 3270 Emulation Credit Card Adapter 2812 0933315 IBM Token-Ring 16/4 Credit Card Adapter II 8072 0933931 IBM Token-Ring 16/4 Credit Card Adapter III IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10BaseT 3290 0934331 IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10Base2 3280 0934330 IBM 5250 Emulation PCMCIA Adapter 2808 92F3808 IBM 2.4/9.6 Data/Fax Modem Multipack 87G8988 IBM 14.4/14.4 Data/Fax Modem Multipack 87G8989 IBM RS232 PCMCIA Serial Card 87G9250 IBM Infrared Wireless Adapter-Tethered Transceiver 87G9740 IBM Infrared Wireless Adapter-Integrated Transceiver 87G9743 IBM Mass Storage Card 5MB 70G7344 IBM Mass Storage Card 10MB 70G7345 IBM Mass Storage Card 15MB 70G7346 IBM 1MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7229 IBM 2MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7230 IBM Solid State File Card 5MB 40G3166 IBM Solid State File Card 10MB 40G3167 Feature Part Description Number Number IBM Solid State File Card 20MB 40G3168 IBM Solid State File Card 30MB 40G3169 IBM Solid State File Card 40MB 40G3170 IBM 40MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive (Type III) 7559 70G8495 IBM 105MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive (Type III) 1901 32G4199 Card Director with Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver: The following information is applicable to the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems. PC Card Director is provided and helps users get status and information on PCMCIA cards installed in their systems. In addition, on OS/2 and Microsoft Windows, it can register an application program for PCMCIA cards and execute them automatically. Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver enables supported PCMCIA cards by sensing them automatically. The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems are designed to be compatible with the PS/2. The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems contain BIOS/Easy Setup/Diagnostics in their Flash ROM and also provide a graphical user interface to set up the system and power management features for OS/2 and Windows users. BIOS provides the hardware instructions and interfaces designed to support the standard features of the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems and to maintain compatibility with many software programs currently operating under DOS and OS/2 on the Personal Computer XT(TM), Personal Computer AT(R), and the PS/2 family. Limitations: o The following CSD/APARs are required for audio, data fax modem, and telephone functions under OS/2 2.11: XR06203, PJ12541, PJ14260, and PN60511. Call 800-992-4777 to get these APAR fixes. o To install OS/2 (OS/2 2.11, OS/2 for Windows, or OS/2 Warp) on 755CD from CD-ROM versions, the external diskette drive enclosure (66G3618) and either one of the following docking options are required: Port Replicator I or II or Dock I or II. o The 256 color display driver for OS/2 is shipped with the 755CE, CSE, and CD. The 65,536 driver is available in IBM OS/2 Warp. The 65,536 color display driver for OS/2 2.11 or OS/2 for Windows can be obtained from the OS/2 bulletin board. Availability is currently scheduled for January 1995. o Infrared functions through Puma TranXit applications and IBM IR device drivers for Windows have the following limitations under WIN-OS/2(TM) sessions of OS/2 2.11, OS/2 for Windows, or OS/2 Warp. - Only HP and SHARP modes work with lower speed (up to 38.4Kbps) - Support for high-speed IR under WIN-OS/2 can be obtained from the IBM Personal Computer Company Bulletin Board Service (PCC BBS). Availability is currently scheduled for December 31, 1994. The IR functions are not available under native OS/2 sessions. o MIDI audio playback has reduced sound fidelity under WIN-OS/2. To improve MIDI audio playback fidelity under native OS/2, a new Mwave device driver is currently scheduled to be available on the PCC BBS by March 31, 1995. o The Telephony functions for "FaxWorks Voice for Windows" are supported under Windows and WIN-OS/2. o Enhanced video functions of 755CD (for example, video capture and overlay) for Windows under WIN-OS/2 sessions will be available through the PCC BBS. Availability is currently scheduled for December 31, 1994. Native OS/2 Enhanced video support availability is currently scheduled for March 31, 1995. o Installation of the software update named WIN311.ZIP is required to use WIN-OS/2 session when OS/2 for WIN is used under Windows 3.11. o Alphanet FollowFax requires Class II fax support to function. This is currently scheduled to be available by December 31, 1994, on the PCC BBS by calling 919-517-0001. The PCC BBS is available 24 hours a day with no access charge to the bulletin board. o When using the Redirector feature of the Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX to exchange data over an infrared link at 115Kbps, the ThinkPad 755CE/CSE/CD should be configured as the requestor. o Telephony and answering machine functions do not support PBX. o Video acceleration is not supported when the video output is shown on the TV when using the 755CD. o When video playback using enhanced video is being shown on the TV, the video will not show on the TFT display of the 755CD. o Video performance will be significantly reduced when operating under the 64K color mode. o In some applications, color or brightness differences occur in the displayed image between the LCD and CRT when Enhanced Video is enabled and "Video-in/No video equipment" is selected. Disable Enhanced Video or select "Video-out" in this case. o The Wall Mount AC Adapter (40W) (84G2148) is for 110 volts/60 cycle use only. o The Mwave MDSP2780 (DSP) does not support Cellular phone connection. o Software fax programs requiring Class 2 fax support must obtain the Mwave software update from the PCC BBS by calling 919-517-0001. Availability is currently scheduled for December 31, 1994. o The system cannot enter the Suspend/Hibernation mode when the Sound Blaster emulation mode is enabled in a DOS environment. o IBM Enhanced Mouse (92G7457) cannot be used with TrackPoint III. When using the IBM Enhanced Mouse, TrackPoint III should be disabled. o When the MIDI Joystick port is used, it is recommended that the POWER.EXE and FUELDOS.COM be removed from the AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS files. These files may cause intermittent incorrect movement of the joystick. o Continuous use of the CD-ROM or hard disk drive, such as reading long video files, will impact battery life. In the ThinkPad 755CD, the use of the enhanced video function will also impact battery life. o The fifth PCMCIA slot cannot be identified by the IBM PC Card Director memory device driver when installing the IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA Cartridge in the diskette drive bay of the system unit when the IBM ThinkPad Port Replicator I or ThinkPad Dock II is attached. o The IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA Cartridge cannot be used with the ThinkPad 360 family even though it will physically fit into the diskette drive bay of the 360 family. o The Cellular CDPD Communications Module cannot be used with the IBM ThinkPad 755CD systems. o The ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems have one memory-slot per system. - Using 2MB, 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB IC DRAM optional feature cards, up to 24MB of system memory is possible. - Using the DIMM (Dual Inline Memory Module) technology, the IBM Memory Module Adapter and the 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB Memory Modules, up to 40MB of system memory is possible. o As the audio and communication features share the hardware resource of Mwave DSP (Digital Signal Processor), their concurrent usage has some restrictions. For example, when you are using any of the communication features, you cannot use the 24- or 32-voice MIDI audio capability. o The TV Tuner Pack (not available in EMEA) and Analog-to Digital Video Converter Adapter optional features are only supported on the TFT color models. o With the TV Tuner option is installed in the UltraBay (diskette drive bay), do not connect the CRT or TV to the system. TV Tuner output to the CRT or TV is not supported. o When the IBM ThinkPad TV-Tuner pack is installed, (not available in EMEA or AP) the system power management function will be affected as follows: - When the system enters into suspend mode, the TV-Tuner will be powered off. - When the TV-Tuner is in control of the LCD screen, the timer will not work for the suspend hibernation mode. But the hotkey operation (Fn+F4), LID/KBD open/close operation will invoke the suspend mode. o The system is designed so the customer can install or remove the PCMCIA card without turning off the system if the PCMCIA card supports this function. Refer to the instructions that come with the PCMCIA card. o When installing two Type II PCMCIA communications cards in the PCMCIA slot, there may be some cable interference that allows only From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20114 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:49:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07243; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:22:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:22:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07207; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:29 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA01631 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:16 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44765; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:21:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Thinkpads Info (Long) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII one card to be used. o PC Card point enablers may write directly to the hardware, bypassing Socket and Card Services Release 2.1. Writing directly to the hardware may cause problems that cannot be anticipated. Also point enablers may interfere with client device drivers that do communicate with Socket and Card Services Release 2.1. Additional customer testing in their specific environments is recommended. o PCMCIA diagnostics programs usually do not recognize slot number greater than two. To diagnose a suspected faulty card, make sure the PCMCIA card is in one of the PCMCIA slots of the system proper. o "Point enablers" usually do not support slot numbers above 2. If using a PCMCIA card with a point enabler, make sure that the card is in the slots on the system proper. o Video capture adapter that requires VGA pass-through (video pass-through, VESA bus) is not supported by the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD and the IBM Docking stations. o The IBM 8516 "touch screen" color display and IBM ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard require the TrackPoint III to be disabled before connecting it to the connector. To disable the TrackPoint III, follow the instructions provided in the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD User's Guide. o The IBM Keyboard/Mouse Connector accessory is required when attaching an external keyboard to the system via the external input device port. o Password prompt is not displayed when the computer resumes from "partial" suspend mode while it is attached to the IBM ThinkPad Dock I or Dock II. But you will need to type the correct password to operate. o If one of these systems is used with the IBM ThinkPad Dock I or Dock II, then for the comfort and convenience of the user the height of the system should be adjusted or an external keyboard should be used. Suspend Mode Operational Considerations: Do not remove or install PC cards during suspend mode. Suspend mode shuts off power to the PCMCIA sockets. Note: When using Windows 3.11, ensure that the Advanced Power Management (APM) is installed. Non-disruptive battery exchange allows the user to put the system in suspend mode and exchange battery packs without any loss of data or function. During suspend mode, the maximum power output becomes 60mA at 12V. During suspend mode, PCMCIA cards cannot consume more than 60mA at 12V. Planning Information Cable Orders: All cables are included with the system. Installability: ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems require about 20 minutes for installation. Installation includes unpacking, setting up, and powering on the system. Additional time is required to install other memory and other optional features. Problem Determination: If a failure is found at initial installation, an instruction or error code will appear on the screen. The user should note this information and refer to the User's Guide shipped with the system unit. System units that fail at installation or during a power up sequence will automatically go to the system diagnostics to isolate the failing field replaceable unit (FRU) or refer the user to the service representative for the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD. The trouble-shooting procedures consist of a power-on self-test, diagnostic tests and easy-to-follow trouble-shooting charts designed to assist the user in isolating a defective machine element. The failing element can then be replaced or repaired under existing warranty provisions. HelpWare Support: IBM HelpWare is a comprehensive set of offerings designed to provide you with a full range of service and support options in making your computing experience more productive and enjoyable. To provide you with the support you demand, many HelpWare services are complimentary during the warranty period of your IBM Personal Computer, and additional services are available from the HelpWare Support Family. For detailed information on HelpWare, refer to Services Announcement 694-029 or call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. Packaging: ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD machine type/model and part numbers: o 9545-6BC -- 85G1112 (340MB DOS/Windows applications) o 9545-6BD -- 85G1113 (540MB DOS/Windows applications) o 9545-6BE -- 85G1114 (810MB DOS/Windows applications) o 9545-7BC -- 85G1041 (340MB DOS/Windows applications) o 9545-7BD -- 85G1042 (540MB DOS/Windows applications) o 9545-7BE -- 85G1043 (810MB DOS/Windows applications) o 9545-9BD -- 85G1759 (540MB DOS/Windows applications plus) o 9545-9BE -- 85G1760 (810MB DOS/Windows applications plus) ThinkPad 755CE, 755CD, and 755CSE o Shipment group -- system unit carton contents: - System unit with U.S. English keyboard - AC adapter (40W) - Rechargeable battery pack - U.S. power cord - 755CE/755CSE or 755CD User's Guide with U.S./Canadian Warranty Statement and FCC Statement - ThinkPad envelope group - Customer registration form - International traveler's hardware warranty booklet - HelpCenter label - Keyboard template - IBM Program License 755CE/755CSE or 755CD Product Map - PCMCIA security plate - PCMCIA CONN LID - TrackPoint III cap (x3) - Adhesive tape eject memory card set - PSTN cable - Wall plug - Preinstalled mobile software envelope - PC DOS 6.3 English manual (without diskettes) - MS Windows 3.11 English manual (without diskettes) The following items are also included with the ThinkPad 755CD: - Diskette drive pack assembly - Bezel plate, blank - Bezel plate, diskette drive/TV tuner - Conversion cable, game port - Conversion cable, video in/out - Emergency eject pin for CD-ROM - 19H1159 -- assorted CD-ROMs and brochures (ThinkPad Multimedia Library) - Microsoft Home CD Sampler with Custom Windows Entertainment Pack shipped with the ThinkPad Multimedia Library while supplies last Accessories and/or Supplies: ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD: The following accessories are applicable to the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD: Part Accessories Number IBM ThinkPad Carrying Case 59G7970 IBM ThinkPad 750 Key Guard 66G3685 IBM PS/2 Keyboard/Mouse Connector 54G0441 Security, Auditability, and Control Standard Security Features for 9545: The electronic personalization feature is like a name tag on your ThinkPad. Your name, contact address, or phone number can be displayed on the screen when the system is turned on. This helps in case the ThinkPad is misplaced. The personal data is stored in the system non-volatile memory and is displayed with a password prompt. Passwords: o A power-on password (POP) protects the system from unauthorized use. If a POP is set, the password prompt appears: - Each time the system is turn on - When the system is returned to normal operation from suspend mode o A supervisor password provides a higher level of security than the POP. The supervisor password protects the system functions from being used by unauthorized users and protects the hardware configuration from unauthorized modification. The supervisor password prompt appears: - When the hardware configuration is changed o A hard disk drive password (HDP) protects hard disk drive data from unauthorized users. Once HDP is set, data on the hard disk drive cannot be accessed without the correct HDP. Because the HDP is stored in the hard disk drive, the data remains protected even if the hard disk drive is removed to another system. The HDP password prompt appears: - Each time the system is turn on - When the system is returned to normal operation from suspend mode The user can use the hook on the hard disk locking mechanism to leash with a user-selected padlock and chain or cable. The user can attach the Kensington lock to the keyhole on the side of the computer. This prevents the keyboard from opening and secures the internal devices under the keyboard. User management is responsible for evaluation, selection, and implementation of security features, administrative procedures, and appropriate controls in application systems and communications facilities. TERMS AND CONDITIONS Volume Discount: Volume purchasing is not available under the Volume Discounts section of the IBM Customer Agreement (ICA). IBM Credit Corporation Financing: Term leases and installment payment plans are available for commercial and state and local government customers. Customer Fulfillment Option Applies: Yes Warranty: System Hardware (9545): Three years; however, an optional one-year warranty is available via special bid. System Battery: One year Optional Features: One year minimum or the remaining warranty of the system in which the feature is installed Media: Three months IBM Programs: Three months Non-IBM Programs are not warranted by IBM; warranty, if any, is as provided by the program's supplier. Licensing: IBM programs included with ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD are licensed under the terms and conditions of the IBM Program License Agreement and IBM System Programs License Agreement. A copy of these agreements is included in the documentation that ships with the system. Non-IBM programs are available from IBM as distributed by the program supplier. Terms and conditions of the supplier apply. They are included in their respective program packages in the documentation shipped with the systems and are passed on to the customer. Warranty Service: Customer Carry-In Repair (CCR) or ThinkPad EasyServ: Warranty service for the ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD will be provided via carry-in repair or ThinkPad EasyServ. ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at the customer's location and delivered to an IBM-designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return it to the customer. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. If warranty service is required, the customer should call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for both hardware and software. If a hardware problem is identified and the customer prefers ThinkPad EasyServ over carry-in service, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pick up the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. Customers should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pick up the system for delivery to the repair location. International Warranty Service: Customers who travel or need to move products to another country will be able to register the products for IBM International Warranty Service. Upon registering with the International Warranty Service Office (IWSO), IBM will issue an International Warranty Service Certificate that will be honored virtually worldwide, where IBM or IBM resellers sell and service IBM PC products. During the original warranty period, customers will be provided service through the service delivery methods available for their specific IBM system in the servicing country. For more information on IBM International Warranty Service or to register your IBM PC systems, contact IBM at 800-IWS-7426 (497-7426). Refer to Services Announcement 694-028, dated October 17, 1994. Alternative Service: IBM On-Site Repair (IOR) Maintenance Service: IOR and ThinkPad EasyServ ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at the customer's location and delivered to an IBM-designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return it to the customer. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. If the customer has selected ThinkPad EasyServ for his post-warranty maintenance delivery, when service is required, the customer should call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for both hardware and software. If a hardware problem is identified, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pick up the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. Customers should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pick up the system for delivery to the repair location. IOR provides IBM WorldPass Service, service for customers who are traveling internationally and have purchased a post-warranty maintenance agreement. Note: Non-IBM products installed in a ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD either on warranty or maintenance service may be serviced by IBM. Additional service support charges may apply. IBM Hourly Service Rate Classification: One IBM On-Site Warranty Service, On-Site Maintenance Service or IBM Hourly Service can be obtained by calling 800-IBM-SERV (426-7378). IBM Hourly Service is available at the applicable rate and terms, including element exchange price, if applicable. Volume Maintenance Option: The 9545 is an eligible machine and a qualifying machine for the Volume Maintenance Option* of the ICA. ThinkPad EasyServ not Eligible for Following Offerings Mid-Range System Option: The 9545 is an eligible machine for the Mid-Range System Option* of the ICA. Eligible Discount Type Three-Year Five-Year 9545 17% 22% Corporate Service Option: The 9545 is an eligible machine for the Corporate Service Option* of the ICA. CSO/MRSO/SSA automatic on-site warranty upgrades are not applicable. The automatic on-site warranty upgrade applies to one-year CCR machines only. Discount Three-Year Five-Year System 17% 22% Network 25% 30 % Extended Maintenance Option: The 9545 is an eligible machine under the Extended Maintenance Option of the ICA. Central Facility Maintenance Service Option: The 9545 is an eligible machine for Central Facility Maintenance Service Option* of the ICA. A minimum of six machines is required to be at the central facility before requesting maintenance service. The Additional Maintenance Charge Factor is currently 0.5 hours. The terms and conditions are stated in the Attachment for Central Facility Maintenance Service Option. * A revised exhibit will be available at a later date. Product Availability Status: New product available Field-Installable Features: Yes Model Conversions: No Customer Setup: Yes Licensed Internal Code: No National Education Price (NEP): A National Education Price is available. CHARGES Single Part Machine Unit Description Number Type/Model Price* ThinkPad 755CSE (340MB, 100MHz) 95456BC 9545-6BC $4,899 ThinkPad 755CSE (540MB, 100MHz) 95456BD 9545-6BD 5,299 ThinkPad 755CSE (810MB, 100MHz) 95456BE 9545-6BE 5,849 ThinkPad 755CE (340MB, 100MHz) 95457BC 9545-7BC 6,249 ThinkPad 755CE (540MB, 100MHz) 95457BD 9545-7BD 6,649 ThinkPad 755CE (810MB, 100MHz) 95457BE 9545-7BE 7,199 ThinkPad 755CD (540MB, 100MHz) 95459BD 9545-9BD 7,599 ThinkPad 755CD (810MB, 100MHz) 95459BE 9545-9BE 8,149 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. Optional Features for 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD Single Feature Part Unit Description Number Number Price IBM ThinkPad 8MB Memory Module 3889 84G6539 $699 NiMH Battery Pack II 3887 85G1513 145 Headset 3892 85G1517 49 PCMCIA Module Cartridge 3888 84G1301 49 Alternative and Maintenance Service Charges Alternative Service Charges: IBM On-Site Repair (IOR) (Three-Year) $120 Annual Minimum Maintenance Charges: Machine ThinkPad Type/Model IOR CFMS EasyServ 9545-6BC $350 $332 $187 9545-6BD 350 332 187 9545-6BE 350 332 187 9545-7BC 375 356 199 9545-7BD 375 356 199 9545-7BE 375 356 199 9545-9BD 395 375 215 9545-9BE 395 375 215 Service Support Charge for Non-IBM Products: IOR Warranty $40 Maintenance Service 40 ** Product or company name is a trademark or registered trademark of its respective holder. + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18473 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:44:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07699; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:27:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:27:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07669; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:26:43 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA01901 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:26:12 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA32944; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:26:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Thinkpad 360 Series models (Long) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII These look the same as the old TP750CE except with a smaller screen. You can obtain these product announcements at gopher.ibmlink.ibm.com under the Recent Announcements section. ------------------------------------------ IBM ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE Announced on October 17, 1994 PRODUCT Announcement 194-353 Take it with you -- the ThinkPad(R) 360CE and 360CSE color notebook systems feature the TrackPoint II(TM) pointing device, powerful processors, super-fast local-bus video PCMCIA card slots, long-running batteries, and light weight. Plus, you get the same styling and modular design that have made the ThinkPad models so popular. The ThinkPad 360CE or 360CSE system is particularly suitable if you require a fast processor specifically for numeric-intensive applications such as spreadsheets, engineering applications, and graphics. The processor is the SL Enhanced Intel 486DX2-50/25MHz, with 8KB internal cache and a Math Co-Processor for increased processing performance. You can choose an 8.4-inch (when measured diagonally) VGA Thin Film Transistor (TFT) Backlit LCD color display or a 9.5-inch (when measured diagonally) STN Dual Scan Side-lit LCD color display. The systems include VESA Local Bus graphics with 1MB video RAM and SVGA video external graphics port to support external CGA/EGA/MCGA compatible monitors. Preinstalled software, including PC DOS 6.3/Windows+ 3.1 and applications such as Lotus** cc:mail**, PRODIGY**, and many more, is included on all models. The systems come with a removable internal nickel metal hydride (NiMh) battery pack that weighs 1.2 pounds and provides enough power to operate a ThinkPad 360CSE system for approximately 2.9 to seven hours, and a ThinkPad 360CE system for approximately 3.2 to seven hours. The battery can be charged within 1.5 hours with an internal charger provided with the system. An AC adapter (30 Watt-100V) is provided with each system. All the systems include: 4MB of memory (optionally upgraded to 20MB), a PCMCIA slot that supports two Type II PCMCIA cards or one Type III PCMCIA card, an internal 1.44MB, 3.5-inch removable diskette drive, and 170MB (MB = million bytes), 340MB, or 540MB removable hard disk (250MB and 810MB available as options). Machine Hard Disk Description Model Capacity Display IBM ThinkPad 360CSE 2620-80D 170MB DSTN IBM ThinkPad 360CSE 2620-80F 340MB DSTN IBM ThinkPad 360CSE 2620-80G 540MB DSTN IBM ThinkPad 360CE 2620-90D 170MB TFT IBM ThinkPad 360CE 2620-90F 340MB TFT IBM ThinkPad 360CE 2620-90G 540MB TFT Single Unit Price Range: $2,649 -- $4,199 Availability Date: October 17, 1994 (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation ** Product or company name is a trademark or registered trademark of its respective holder. IN BRIEF . . . +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | o Light-weight portable notebook designed to fit into a | | briefcase | | o Sophisticated power management including features to extend | | the battery life while in normal use (three to seven hours | | with a fully charged battery) | | o SL Enhanced Intel 486DX2-50/25MHz microprocessor with 8KB | | internal cache and a Math Co-Processor for compute-intensive | | applications | | o 4MB memory expandable to 20MB | | o Internal 1.44MB, 3.5-inch removable diskette drive | | o Choice of hard disk: 170MB, 340MB, or 540MB | | o Choice of color LCD displays: | | - Latest technology 8.4-inch (when measured diagonally) VGA | | TFT backlit display supporting 256 crisp bright colors out | | of possible 226,981 | | - A 9.5-inch (when measured diagonally) STN Dual Scan | | side-lit display 256 colors from a palette of 4,096 | | o Full-sized, 85-key keyboard with TrackPoint II and built-in | | numeric keypad function (no additional space required to | | operate an external mouse) | | o I/O ports that support serial, enhanced parallel, | | keyboard/mouse/numeric pad devices, and SVGA/EGA/CMGA video | | display | | o External bus port for docking | | o PCMCIA Card Slot that can accommodate two Type II or one Type | | III PC cards | | o PC Card Director Utility to monitor PCMCIA cards | | | | Technical Support | | | | o ThinkPad EasyServ | | o International Warranty Service | | o HelpWare(R) for full range of service and support | | o HelpCenter(R) (800-772-2227) | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ DESCRIPTION With the outstanding performance possible with the SL Enhanced Intel 486DX2-50/25MHz microprocessor, the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems enable advanced business solutions for the mobile professional and offer portable host-based computing via networking options. These systems also accommodate multitasking operating systems and applications utilizing large memory with the optional 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB IC DRAM cards. Up to 20MB of system memory is possible with these options. The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems enable connectivity expansion, such as LAN connectivity through the IBM Token-Ring 16/4 Credit Card Adapter and the IBM PCMCIA Adapter for Ethernet, and host connection through the IBM 3270 Emulation Adapter. These connectivity solutions provide the synergy of uniting two of your assets, portable computing and networking. With your ThinkPad, you can access the applications and data available on the network systems. The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems allow you to take advantage of applications for collection and transmission of data to other systems and LANs, and allow you to bring reference material immediately to hand while in the field. Standard Features The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE design features include personalized nameplates and the sleek black design synonymous with the ThinkPad systems. Note: The personalized nameplate fits into a molded recess on the system unit. To request the personalized nameplate, you must complete and mail the order/registration form included in the system packaging. The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE come standard with removable hard disk drives, giving you maximum flexibility to add larger hard disk drives as needed to meet storage requirements. The removable diskette drive also lets you configure the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE with expandable options, such as: o The IBM Mobile Communications Module, for cellular phone and CDPD capability o The ThinkPad TV Tuner, for access to selected television channels (supported only in ThinkPad 360CE systems) The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems provide the unique IBM TrackPoint II pointing device built into the keyboard. It functions like the mouse that people have grown accustomed to and allows the user to point and select icons on the screen under control of the application with a minimum of hand movement and no additional space requirements. Additional features include: o A pop-up keyboard for easy access to add memory, replace the battery, remove the diskette drive, or upgrade the hard disk drive capacity o Plug-in flexibility with PCMCIA cards (two Type II slots or one Type III) o VESA Local Bus o 1MB Video RAM for enhanced graphics performance o Memory: the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE offer choices in customer-installable memory. The IC-DRAM memory cards with or without parity are supported. The parity bit, if available, is not used. The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE are preinstalled with PC DOS, Microsoft** Windows+, and several complimentary software applications. Preinstalled Software: o PC DOS 6.3 o Microsoft Windows 3.11 o IBM ThinkPad Marketing Demo o Online Publication o Official Airline Guide (OAG**) Flightdisk** o SofNet FaxWorks** 3.0 o Lotus** Organizer o Lotus cc:mail o Lotus ScreenCam o PRODIGY** o America Online (AOL**) o CoSession** Host o Taxi** o Reuters** Money** Network o Second Nature Screen Saver o Farralon Replica** o Alphanet FollowFax** for Windows o Reprint** by Sedona o Compel PE** The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE are supported with IBM HelpWare, ThinkPad Proven(TM) products, Think EasyServ and International Warranty Service, and key features like Advance Power Management and Auto Configurator for PCMCIA cards. IBM HelpWare: IBM HelpWare is a comprehensive set of offerings designed to provide you with a full range of service and support options to help make your computing experience more productive and enjoyable. To provide you with the support you demand, many HelpWare services are complimentary during the warranty period of your IBM Personal Computer, and additional services are available from the HelpWare Support Family. For detailed information on HelpWare, refer to Services Announcement 694-029, dated October 17, 1994, or call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. ThinkPad Proven: ThinkPad Proven is an innovative program where IBM is working with a number of industry-leading manufacturers whose products and services meet our standards for ThinkPad compatibility, warranty, and technical support. ThinkPad Proven not only broadens the customer's choice of products but gives peace of mind as well. Before a third-party product can use the ThinkPad Proven emblem, the manufacturer must state that the product has been tested, warranted, and supported to demanding ThinkPad compatibility standards. The ThinkPad Proven emblem signifies that: o The manufacturer has stated to IBM that the product has completed an IBM-developed test procedure that assures compliance with ThinkPad compatibility standards. o The product has been approved for use on specific ThinkPad models, which will be listed on the emblem. o The manufacturer warrants a hardware product for a minimum of three years; a software product for 90 days. Additional information can be found in the ThinkPad Proven brochure (G221-4122). System Expandability PCMCIA: The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems have a PCMCIA slot that can accommodate two Type II cards or one Type III PC card. The PCMCIA card slot conforms to the PCMCIA PC Card Standard release 2.01 and the PCMCIA Card and Socket Services Specification release 2.0, dated November 1992. This emerging standard allows for the insertion of many devices, such as mass storage, memory, and communications. The ThinkPad system also supports the suspend/resume function when the PCMCIA card is installed. For example, when the user is operating with a communications application and PCMCIA card, after a suspend/resume operation is completed, the user does not need to restart the operating system or communications application. PC Card Director: PC Card Director is provided in a utility diskette for DOS, Windows, and OS/2(R). PC Card Director helps you obtain the status and information on PCMCIA cards installed in the system. On Windows, PC Card Director can register an application program for PCMCIA cards and execute them automatically. Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver: Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver enable supported PCMCIA cards by sensing them automatically. A listing of supported PCMCIA cards by Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver is available from IBM. Advanced Power Management Power Management: The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems provide a power management system that is almost transparent to the user. The highly advanced power management hardware and software provides longer battery life. Automatic and manual power mode operations (standby/suspend/hibernation) for energy conservation reduces battery consumption. The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems also provide a ThinkPad Features Program, which allows you to control power usage of the computer. The Fuel-Gauge Program shows remaining battery power. While using the external power, the program indicates whether the battery pack is fully charged or still being charged. The ThinkPad Features Program allows you to preset the power management mode for battery operation: low, medium, or high performance. Power modes only affect the computer when the battery pack is in use. You can select settings for component time outs and select the processor speed. The timeout setting shuts off certain components temporarily when no activity occurs for a preset amount of time. The timeout options are: o Suspend timer -- The computer is placed in a suspend mode. In suspend mode, the computer is off; however, the information in the memory remains intact. o LCD off timer -- The LCD is turned off; however, the display contents remain in the memory. o Hard Disk timer -- The hard disk drive motor is turned off. In addition, the user can select the speed of the processor. The computer runs faster at higher speed settings; however, lower speed settings allow the computer to run longer on a battery charge. The processor runs at full speed when busy and slows down when the computer is idle. The following power modes can be initiated automatically or manually. o Standby Mode -- Entered for short periods of time, such as when you are having a short conversation o Suspend Mode -- Entered when you are going to be away from the computer for short periods of time o Hibernation Mode -- Entered when you leave your office but return the following day PRODUCT POSITIONING The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE performance models round out the ThinkPad 360 family line of competitively priced full-function notebook computers. Particularly suitable for the value-minded notebook user, the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE provide fast processing with the SL Enhanced Intel 486DX2-50/25MHz, including 8KB of internal cache and a Math Co-Processor. With a choice of 170MB, 340MB, or 540MB hard disk drive and a choice of TFT or DSTN color display, the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE are nicely positioned between the 33MHz 360 family and the premium ThinkPad 755 family of portable computers. PUBLICATIONS The following publications are shipped with the product: Order Title Number IBM ThinkPad 360 Family User's Guide S82G-5086 IBM ThinkPad 360CE/360CSE Diskette Group S83G-7534 The User's Guide package contains the User's Guide manual, customer registration form, and HelpCenter label. The diskette package contains the ThinkPad Utility Diskette and Video Features Diskette. The following publications are available separately, with the exception of the IBM ThinkPad Technical Reference, which will be available in November 1994. To order, call the IBM Software Manufacturing Solutions Hotline at 800-879-2755. Order Part Publication Number Number IBM ThinkPad 360 Family User's Guide S19H-1019 19H1019 IBM ThinkPad 360CE/360CSE Diskette Group S83G-7534 83G7534 IBM ThinkPad Technical Reference S83G-7843 19H1157 ThinkPad Proven brochure G326-0425 ThinkPad 360 Family brochure G520-7122 The Technical Reference publications are for programmers, engineers, and others who want to understand the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems in greater detail. The publications include functional specifications, hardware specifications, and pin-outs for peripheral connectors. ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE Service Publications (manuals and diskettes): Order Part Publication Number Number Hardware Maintenance Manual, Volume 2: ThinkPad Computers S82G-1502 19H1080 Hardware Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 The Hardware Maintenance Manual contains service and reference From ???@??? 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The service section includes procedures for isolating problems to a field replaceable unit (FRU), related service procedures, and an illustrated parts catalog. The reference section includes safety information, product description, and general information about system functions. Publications may be ordered from an IBM Authorized Dealer, an IBM representative, or through the Technical Directory. A complete listing of IBM ThinkPad and IBM Personal Computer hardware publications is available by calling the Technical Directory at 800-IBM-PCTB (426-7282). TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment Physical Specifications: ThinkPad 360CSE: o Width: 297 mm (11.7 in) o Depth: 210 mm (8.3 in) o Height: 51 mm (2.0 in) o Weight: 2.8 kg (6.2 lb) with battery pack o Travel weight*: 3.2 kg (7.1 lb) o Battery: 540 g (1.2 lb) o Diskette drive: 220 g (0.5 lb) ThinkPad 360CE: o Width: 297 mm (11.7 in) o Depth: 210 mm (8.3 in) o Height: 47 mm (1.9 in) o Weight: 2.76 kg (6.1 lb) with battery pack o Travel weight*: 3.16 kg (7.0 lb) o Battery: 540 g (1.2 lb) o Diskette drive: 220 g (0.5 lb) * Travel Weight is the combination of: - System unit - Internal disk and diskette drives 220 g (0.5 lb) - Battery: 540 g (1.2 lb) - Pointing device - AC adapter: 400 g (0.9 lb) Electrical Specifications: o AC adapter: 100-125 V AC, 2.0A, 50/60Hz o Battery pack: 9.6V, 1500mAH/cell, 16 cell/pack Battery operation hours and charging hours are: Function 360CSE 360CE Power off/suspend charging 1.5 hrs 1.5 hrs Charging during operation 2.0 hrs 2.0 hrs Quick charging 1.5 hrs 1.5 hrs Battery operation (range)(1) 2.9-7.0 hrs 3.2-7.0 hrs (1) Power management and application dependent Heat Dissipation: o 102.4 Btu/hour maximum Air Temperature for Shipping and Storage: o -20(degs) -- 60(degs)C (-4(degs) -- 140(degs)F) Relative Humidity for Shipping and Storage: o 5% to 95% RH Acoustic Noise Level: Class 3D (office environment) o Sound pressure level (operator position: 40 dB (operating)) o Sound power level: 5.1 bels (operating); 4.8 bels (idling) Note: The noise emission level stated is the declared (upper limit) sound power level, in bels, for a random sample of machines, typically configured, and operating in idle mode; for example, powered on, but no DASD read/write or other I/O activity. All measurements made in accordance with ANSI S12.10 and reported in conformance with ISO 9296. Operating Environment: Air Temperature: 0 -- 8,000 (ft) o Operating: 5(degs)C -- 35(degs)C or 41(degs)F -- 95(degs)F (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs)C -- 35(degs)C or 50(degs)F -- 95(degs)F (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs)C -- 43(degs)C or 41(degs)F -- 110(degs)F o Storage/shipment: -20(degs)C -- 60(degs)C or -4(degs)F -- 140(degs)F o Wet bulb (maximum): 29.4(degs)C or 85(degs)F Air Temperature: 8,000 -- 10,000 (ft) o Operating: 5(degs)C -- 31.3(degs)C or 41(degs)F -- 88(degs)F (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs)C -- 31.3(degs)C or 50(degs)F -- 88(degs)F (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs)C -- 43(degs)C or 41(degs)F -- 110(degs)F o Storage/shipment: -20(degs)C -- 60(degs)C or -4(degs)F -- 140(degs)F o Wet bulb (maximum): 25.7(degs)C or 78(degs)F Note: The maximum temperature when system on is linearly decreased >from 8,000 ft to 10,000 ft. Relative Humidity: o Operating: 8% to 95% RH (without diskette) o Operating: 8% to 80% RH (with diskette inside unit) o Storage/shipment: 5% to 95% RH Altitude: o 10,000 ft maximum (3,048 m) Agency Approvals: o System Unit Approvals: - FCC Class-B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 -- ThinkPad 360CSE FCC ID: ANO2620CE -- ThinkPad 360CE FCC ID: ANO2620CE - VCCI CLASS 2 (0 db) - CISPR22B - UL-1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 950 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - UK-PTT - JATE - SASO - MOC (Korea) o Universal AC/DC Adapter Approvals: - UL-1950 - CSA-C22.2 No. 223 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - SA - SEV - OVE - DENTORI - NOM o U.S. Travel AC/DC Adapter Approvals: - UL 1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 223 o Internal Audio Card Option Approvals: - FCC Class B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 (FCC ID: ANO59G3539) Software Requirements: The following operating systems support the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE: o PC DOS 6.1, 6.3, J6.1/V, and J6.3/V o OS/2 2.1 for Windows Version 3.1 with APAR fixes PJ12541 and PJ12460 (call 800-992-4777 to get these fixes) o OS/2 2.1 and 2.11 with APAR fixes PJ09807, PJ09770, PJ08909, PJ10489, PJ08922, PJ09814, PJ09653, PJ10673, PJ09695, and PJ12413 (APAR PJ12413 is required only for OS/2 for Windows) o OS/2 Warp Version 3.0 (will be supported by November 30, 1994) o MS DOS 6.22 o Microsoft** Windows 3.1/3.11/J3.1 o OS/2 LAN Server Entry Version 3.0 o OS/2 LAN Server Advanced Version 3.0 o Extended Services for OS/2 o Extended Services(TM) with Database Server for OS/2 o Communications Manager/2 Version 1.0 and Version 1.1 o DATABASE/2 OS/2 Version 1.0 Notes: Call 800-992-4777 to get these APAR fixes. APAR PJ12413 is only required for OS/2 for Windows. Compatibility and Supported Products The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems are designed to be compatible with the following peripherals and software products that run on other PS/2(R) systems. Other peripherals may also work but have not been tested by IBM. Devices Supported: PCMCIA: The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems conform to the PCMCIA PC Card Standard release 2.01 and the PCMCIA Card and Socket Services Specification release 2.0, dated November 1992. Other PCMCIA adapters that comply with the PCMCIA PC Card Standard Specification release 2.01 may also function but have not been tested by IBM. Feature Part Description Number Number IBM 3270 Emulation Credit Card Adapter 2812 0933315 IBM Token-Ring 16/4 Credit Card Adapter II 8072 0933931 IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10BaseT 3290 0934331 IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10Base2 3280 0934330 IBM PCMCIA Data/Fax Modem 3634 73G7098 IBM High Speed PCMCIA Data/Fax Modem 3635 73G7097 IBM 5250 Emulation PCMCIA Adapter 2808 92F3808 IBM 40MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive 7559 70G8495 IBM 105MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive 1901 32G4199 IBM 1MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7229 IBM 2MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7230 IBM 2.4/9.6 Data/Fax Modem 87G9260 IBM 14.4/14.4 Data/Fax Modem 87G9265 IBM RS232 PCMCIA Serial Card 87G9250 IBM Infrared (IR) Wireless Adapter Tethered Transceiver 87G9740 IBM Infrared (IR) Wireless Adapter Integrated Transceiver 87G9743 IBM 5MB ThinkPad File 70G7344 IBM 10MB ThinkPad File 70G7345 IBM 15MB ThinkPad File 70G7346 IBM 5MB PCMCIA Solid State File Card 40G3166 IBM 10MB PCMCIA Solid State File Card 40G3167 IBM 20MB PCMCIA Solid State File Card 40G3168 IBM 30MB PCMCIA Solid State File Card 40G3169 IBM 40MB PCMCIA Solid State File Card 40G3170 IBM PCMCIA 16-bit Audio Adapter* 87G9748 * Refer to the Limitations section The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems are designed to be compatible with the PS/2. The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems contain BIOS/Easy Setup/Diagnostics in their FLASH ROM and also provide a graphical user interface to set up the system and power management features for OS/2 and Windows users. BIOS provides the hardware instructions and interfaces designed to support the standard features of the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems and to maintain compatibility with many software programs currently operating under DOS and OS/2 on the Personal Computer XT(TM), Personal Computer AT(R), and the PS/2 family. Limitations: o The audio control of Fn+F5/F6 key combination or ThinkPad features is beep on/off control only, if internal audio card is not installed. The internal IBM audio card is not available in all ThinkPad 360 models in all countries. o The beep setting is always on when the ThinkPad 360CE or 360CSE system is installed in the ThinkPad Dock I and ThinkPad Dock II without installing internal audio card. The internal IBM audio card is not available on all ThinkPad 360 models in all countries. o Supervisor Password is not supported by ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE. o Percentage of remaining power (indicated by percentage) appears but duration of remaining power (by hours) does not appear when 360 NiMH battery pack is used. Duration of remaining power (hours) only appears when the ThinkPad 750 NiMH Battery Pack is used. o Battery discharge function of ThinkPad features is not supported. o Internal modem is turned off when ThinkPad CDPD module is installed. Communication function of CDPD module, modem PC card, or external modem unit may be used for data/fax transmittal. The internal IBM modem card is not available in all ThinkPad 360 models in all countries. o System does not enter suspend or hibernation mode while the internal or PCMCIA modem option is in busy status. o Electrical specification of Travel AC Adapter (wall mount) (30W) input is 100-125 V AC. Socket type is 3-pin for U.S. and Canada wallet plug. In a country where the AC voltage exceeds 125 V AC, use optional 40W (49G2165) or 50W (66G3541) AC adapter. o Total memory capacity you can obtain by using the IC DRAM cards is 4MB, 6MB, 8MB, 12MB, or 20MB. Parity memory function is not supported. o Modem support for the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems and the IBM ThinkPad Port Replicator Model I are provided through the internal modem card (if supplied by IBM), or external modem attachment to the RS-232 serial port (rear), or a PCMCIA PC optional feature card utilizing the PCMCIA slot that can accommodate two Type II or one Type III PCMCIA cards. The internal IBM modem card is not available in all ThinkPad 360 models in all countries. The ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems and the IBM ThinkPad Port Replicator Model I conform to the PCMCIA PC Card Standard release 2.01 and the PCMCIA Card and Socket Services Specification release 2.0, dated November 1992. o The system is designed so that the customer can install or remove the PCMCIA card without turning off the system if the PCMCIA card supports this function. Refer to the instructions that come with the PCMCIA card. o When installing two Type II PCMCIA communications cards in the PCMCIA slot, there may be some cable interference, and in some cases, only one communication card may be able to be used. o PC Card point enablers may write directly to the hardware, bypassing Socket and Card Services Release 2.0. Writing directly to the hardware may cause problems that cannot be anticipated. Also, point enablers may interfere with client device drivers that do communicate with Socket and Card Services Release 2.0. Additional customer testing in their specific environments is recommended. o Video capture adapter that requires VGA pass-through (video pass-through, VESA Local Bus) is not supported by the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE and the IBM ThinkPad Dock I and ThinkPad Dock II. o The TV Tuner Pack and Analog-to Digital Video Converter Adapter optional features are not supported on the ThinkPad 360CSE. o If internal audio card is installed and the audio device driver is disabled, periodic noise will be heard with some applications (such as Storyboard(TM) Live). To avoid the noise, it is recommended to enable the audio feature (audio feature is enabled by the default setting): - Enable the audio device by PS2.EXE (DOS) or ThinkPad Features Program (Windows 3.1, OS/2). - Install the audio feature by following the instructions "Installing the Audio Device Driver" in the User's Guide. Note: The internal IBM Audio card is not available on all IBM ThinkPad 360 models in all countries. o The IBM 8516 "touch screen" color display requires the TrackPoint II to be disabled before connecting it to the external display connector. To disable the TrackPoint II, follow the instructions provided in the IBM ThinkPad 360 family User's Guide. o High-performance BIOS uses 128KB of system memory. o The IBM Keyboard/Mouse Connector accessory is required when attaching an external keyboard to the system via the external input device port. o High Speed PCMCIA Data/Fax Modem V.32bis data compression is limited by applications that utilize the BIOS controlling the serial port. Data compression for applications that do not bypass the BIOS is limited to 19.2Kbps. Many applications bypass the BIOS; therefore, they allow data compression approaching the theoretical limit of 57.6Kbps or four times the data compression. o America Online, PRODIGY, FaxWorks, and Lotus cc:mail, e-mail for Advantis Network will not run without an appropriate modem. o If a ThinkPad 360CE or 360CSE system is used with the IBM ThinkPad Dock I and ThinkPad Dock II, for the comfort and convenience of the user, the height of the system should be adjusted or an external keyboard should be used. o The HDD password (HDP) is not supported when it is installed in the ThinkPad Dock I and ThinkPad Dock II. Remove the hard disk password while it is installed (or re-installed) in the computer, then use it with the ThinkPad Dock I and ThinkPad Dock II. Hard disk drive is secured by the ThinkPad Dock I and ThinkPad Dock II security lock and tie-down capability. o Password prompt is not displayed when the computer resumes from "partial" suspend mode while it is attached to the IBM ThinkPad Dock I and ThinkPad Dock II. o PCMCIA adapter (PC Card) diagnostics program usually does not support slot numbers greater than two. Re-install the PCMCIA adapter into the computer PCMCIA slot (slot number one or two) to diagnose suspected failing PCMCIA adapter installed in the ThinkPad Port Replicator Model I or ThinkPad Dock II (slot number three or four). o "Point Enabler" (one of device driver of PCMCIA adapter) does not support slot numbers greater than two. A PCMCIA adapter (PC Card) installed in the slot of the IBM ThinkPad Port Replicator Model I or ThinkPad Dock II PCMCIA slot (slot number three or four) cannot be used with point enabler. o Dual display mode is not supported when IBM 9515/9517/9518 displays are attached to the ThinkPad 360CE. Lines may extend across the LCD screen. Set the display mode to "CRT," and watch the CRT display and not the system LCD display. o Use the built-in microphone of the IBM PCMCIA Audio Adapter if the external microphone gain is not sufficient. o To play back MIDI audio in a Windows environment, do either of the following: - Disable Card Service and Socket Service software by following the instructions supplied with the IBM PCMCIA Audio Adapter. - Use Windows VGA display driver instead of the ThinkPad SVGA display driver. Planning Information Cable Orders: All cables are included with the system. Installability: The ThinkPad 360CE or 360CSE system requires about 20 minutes for installation. Installation includes unpacking, setting up, and powering on the system. Additional time is required to install other memory, an operating system, and other features. Problem Determination: If a failure is found at initial installation, an instruction or error code will appear on the screen. The user should note this information and refer to the User's Guide shipped with the system unit. System units that fail at installation or during a power up sequence will automatically go to the system diagnostics to isolate the failing FRU or refer the user to the service representative for the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE. The trouble-shooting procedures consist of a power-on self-test, diagnostic tests, and easy-to-follow trouble-shooting charts designed to assist the user in isolating a defective machine element. The failing element can then be replaced or repaired under existing From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18473 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:44:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07699; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:27:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:27:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07669; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:26:43 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA01901 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:26:12 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA32944; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:26:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Thinkpad 360 Series models (Long) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII warranty provisions. Packaging: ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE model type/model and part numbers: o 2620-80D 90G5298 -- DSTN, 170MB, PC DOS 6.3/Windows 3.11, applications o 2620-80F 90G5299 -- DSTN, 340MB, PC DOS 6.3/Windows 3.11, applications o 2620-80G 90G5300 -- DSTN, 540MB, PC DOS 6.3/Windows 3.11, applications o 2620-90D 90G5301 -- (TFT, 170MB, PC DOS 6.3/Windows 3.11, applications) o 2620-90F 90G5302 -- (TFT, 340MB, PC DOS 6.3/Windows 3.11, applications) o 2620-90G 90G5303 -- (TFT, 540MB, PC DOS 6.3/Windows 3.11, applications) ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE Shipment group -- system unit carton contents: o System unit with U.S. English keyboard o AC adapter (30W-100V) o U.S. power cord o Rechargeable battery pack o Shipment group -- U.S. manual - ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE - User's Guide with U.S./Canadian Warranty Statement and FCC Statement - Customer Registration Form - International Hardware Warranty Service - HelpCenter label o Shipment group -- U.S. diskettes - ThinkPad utility diskette - ThinkPad video features diskette - IBM Program License - ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE product MAP - Keyboard template - PCMCIA card lock - PCMCIA slot cover with cable opening - TrackPoint II cap - Adhesive tape eject memory card set - PC DOS English package - Microsoft Windows English package - Application envelope Accessories and/or Supplies: ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE: No new accessories are available. The following accessories were previously announced and can be used with the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems. Part Description Number ThinkPad Carrying Case 59G7970 ThinkPad 750 Diskette Drive External Attachment Kit 66G3618 ThinkPad 750 Battery Pack Safety Cover 66G3686 ThinkPad 750 Key Guard 66G3685 ThinkPad 750 Security Base 66G3684 ThinkPad Dock I Carrying Case 66G3585 PS/2 Keyboard/Mouse Connector 54G0441 Security, Auditability, and Control Standard Security Features: o Passwords - A Power-on password (POP) protects the system from unauthorized use. If a POP is set, the password prompt appears: -- Each time the system is turned on -- When the system is returned to normal operation from suspend mode by opening the LCD or pressing the Fn key. If the return to normal operation is caused by the timer or an incoming call through a modem, the password prompt does not appear. The LCD remains blank until the correct password is entered. - The hard disk drive (HDD) Password (HDP) is a feature of the systems. It is used to protect HDD data. Once HDP is set, data on the HDD cannot be accessed without the correct HDP. Because the HDP is stored in the HDD, the data remains protected even if the HDD is moved to another system. The HDP password prompt appears: -- Each time the system is turned on -- When the system is returned to normal operation from a suspend mode o Physical Lock: The user can use the hook on the hard disk locking mechanism to leash with a user-selected padlock and chain or cable. o Security Optional Features: - Security Base: The Security Base acts as a cradle for the system, which provides the following physical security measures: -- Bolts the system to the desk -- Keylocks the system in the security base with the hard disk -- Locking mechanism (padlock is user's choice) -- Keylocks the Port Replicator Models I and II in the security base with the PCMCIA cards (Model I) -- Protects removal of hard disk -- Protects access to the screw holes in the system -- Protects access to the System Expansion and I/O connectors User management is responsible for evaluation, selection, and implementation of security features, administrative procedures, and appropriate controls in application systems and communications facilities. TERMS AND CONDITIONS Volume Discount: Volume purchasing is not available under the Volume Discounts section of the IBM Customer Agreement (ICA). IBM Credit Corporation Financing: Term leases and installment payment plans are available for commercial and state and local government customers who are buying directly from IBM. Customer Fulfillment Option Applies: Yes Warranty Period: o System Hardware (2620): One year. An optional three-year warranty is available on selected machine/type models via special bid. o System Battery: One year o Media: Three months o IBM Programs: Three months o Non-IBM Programs: Not warranted by IBM; warranty, if any, is as provided by the program's supplier. Licensing: IBM programs included with the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE are licensed under the terms and conditions of the IBM Program License Agreement and IBM System Programs License Agreement. A copy of these agreements is included in the documentation shipped with the system. Non-IBM programs are available from IBM as distributed by the program supplier. Terms and conditions of the supplier apply. They are included in their respective program packages in the documentation shipped with the systems and are passed on to the customer. Warranty Service: Customer Carry-In Repair (CCR) or ThinkPad EasyServ: Warranty service for the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE will be provided via Carry-In Repair or ThinkPad EasyServ. ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at the customer's location and delivered to an IBM-designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return it to the customer. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. If warranty service is required, the customer should call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for both hardware and software. Should a hardware problem be identified and the customer prefers ThinkPad EasyServ over carry-in service, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pick up the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. Customers should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pick up the system for delivery to the repair location. International Warranty Service: Customers who travel or need to move products to another country will be able to register the products for IBM International Warranty Service. Upon registering with the International Warranty Service Office (IWSO), IBM will issue an International Warranty Service Certificate that will be honored virtually worldwide, where IBM or IBM resellers sell and service IBM PC products. During the original warranty period, customers will be provided with service through the service delivery methods available for their specific IBM system in the servicing country. For more information on IBM International Warranty Service or to register your IBM PC systems, contact IBM at 800-IWS-7426 (497-7426). Refer to Services Announcement 694-028, dated October 17, 1994. Alternative Service: IBM On-Site Repair (IOR) Maintenance Service: IOR and ThinkPad EasyServ (2620) IBM has expanded its ThinkPad EasyServ offering to provide a low-cost, post-warranty maintenance agreement service alternative. ThinkPad EasyServ Maintenance agreements are available on the ThinkPad 360CE and 360CSE systems (2620). ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at the customer's location and delivered to an IBM-designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return it to the customer. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. If the customer has selected ThinkPad EasyServ for post-warranty maintenance delivery, when service is required, the customer should call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for both hardware and software. If a hardware problem is identified, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pick up the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. Customers should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pick up the system for delivery to the repair location. IOR provides IBM WorldPass Service, service for customers who are traveling internationally and have purchased a post-warranty maintenance agreement. Note: Non-IBM products installed in a ThinkPad 360CE or 360CSE system either on Warranty or Maintenance Service may be serviced by IBM. Additional service support charges may apply. IBM Hourly Service Rate Classification: One IBM On-site Warranty Service, On-site Maintenance Service, or IBM Hourly Service can be obtained by calling 800-IBM-SERV (426-7378). IBM Hourly Service is available at the applicable rate and terms, including element exchange price, if applicable. Volume Maintenance Option: The 2620 is an eligible machine and a qualifying machine for the Volume Maintenance Option* of the (ICA). ThinkPad EasyServ is not eligible with the following offerings: o Mid-Range System Option (MSO) o Corporate Service Option (CSO) o Extended Maintenance Option (EMO) o Central Facility Maintenance Service Option (CFMS) Mid-Range System Option: The 2620 is an eligible machine for the Mid-Range System Option* of the ICA. Eligible Discount Types Three-Year Five-Year 2620 17% 22% Corporate Service Option: The 2620 is an eligible machine for the Corporate Service Option* of the ICA. Discount Three-Year Five-Year System 17% 22% Network 25% 30% Extended Maintenance Option: The 2620 is an eligible machine under the Extended Maintenance Option of the ICA. Central Facility Maintenance Service Option: The 2620 is an eligible machine for the Central Facility Maintenance Service Option* of the ICA. A minimum of six machines is required to be at the central facility before requesting maintenance service. The Additional Maintenance Charge Factor is currently 0.5 hours. The terms and conditions are stated in the Attachment for Central Facility Maintenance Service Option. * A revised exhibit will be available at a later date. Product Availability Status: New product available Field-Installable Features: Yes Model Conversions: No Customer Setup: Yes Licensed Internal Code: No National Education Price (NEP) A National Education Price is available. CHARGES Machine Single Part Type Unit Description Number Model Price* 80D (170MB,DSTN) 262080D 2620-80D $2,649 80F (340MB,DSTN) 262080F 2620-80F 3,049 80G (540MB,DSTN) 262080G 2620-80G 3,449 90D (170MB,TFT) 262090D 2620-90D 3,399 90F (340MB,TFT) 262090F 2620-90F 3,799 90G (540MB,TFT) 262090G 2620-90G 4,199 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. Existing Optional Features Supported Feature Part (previously priced) Number Number ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard 2298 84G2524 ThinkPad Numeric Keypad 2299 84G2533 ThinkPad 360 NiMH Battery Pack 2068 84G2392 ThinkPad 750 NiMH Battery Pack 7627 66G2846 ThinkPad 750 Quick Charger 7828 66G2843 ThinkPad Car Battery Adapter 3122 49G2167 ThinkPad 170MB Hard Disk - AT(R) 7629 66G2847 ThinkPad 250MB Hard Disk Kit 2070 84G2391 ThinkPad 340MB Hard Disk - AT 7661 66G2849 ThinkPad 540MB Hard Disk - AT 0607 84G2150 ThinkPad 810MB Hard Disk - AT 2633 84G8250 ThinkPad 4MB Basic IC DRAM Card 2071 84G5689 ThinkPad 8MB Basic IC DRAM Card 2073 84G5692 ThinkPad 16MB Basic IC DRAM Card 2075 84G5695 PS/2 2MB IC DRAM Card 1185 07G1419 PS/2 4MB IC DRAM Card 1187 07G1420 PS/2 8MB IC DRAM Card 1191 17G1421 ThinkPad 16MB IC DRAM Card 7662 66G5109 ThinkPad Wall Mount AC Adapter (40W) 0610 84G2148 ThinkPad AC Adapter (40W) 3138 49G2165 ThinkPad AC Adapter (50W) 7672 66G3541 ThinkPad Port Replicator Model I 7665 66G3510 ThinkPad Port Replicator Model II 7666 66G3520 ThinkPad 750 CDPD Mobile Communications Module 7257 71G2560 ThinkPad TV Tuner (360CE only) 9011 66G3689 PS/2 Miniature Mouse 5443 07G0033 PS/2 Numeric Keypad 5445 07G0032 Existing Optional Features Supported Feature Part (previously priced) Number Number Dock I (3545) Existing Optional Features Supported ThinkPad Display Stand 7673 66G3539 Internal CD-ROM Installation Kit 7674 66G3536 HDD Installation Kit 7675 66G3535 ThinkPad Internal SCSI Device Installation Kit 7677 66G3538 ThinkPad Audio Cable 7678 66G3540 ThinkPad Analog-to-Digital Video Converter (360CE only) 7676 66G3537 Dock II (3546) Existing Optional Features Supported ThinkPad Dock II Display Shelf 1902 84G3607 ThinkPad 555MB Tape Backup Kit 1950 84G1282 Accessory Charges: The following can be ordered from IBM Telemarketing Operations at 800-426-2468. Description of Existing Feature Part Acessories Number Number ThinkPad 750 Diskette Drive External Attachment Kit 7667 66G3618 ThinkPad Dock I Carrying Case 7679 66G3585 ThinkPad 750 Battery Pack Safety Cover 7668 66G3686 ThinkPad 750 Key Guard 7669 66G3685 ThinkPad 750 Security Base 7670 66G3684 PS/2 Keyboard/Mouse Connector 1797 54G0441 Alternative and Maintenance Service Charges Alternative Service Charges: IBM On-Site Repair (IOR) (One-Year) $40 Annual Minimum Maintenance Charges: Machine ThinkPad Type/Model IOR CFMS EasyServ 2620-80D $308 $293 $162 2620-80F 308 293 162 2620-80G 308 293 162 2620-90D 375 356 199 2620-90F 375 356 199 2620-90G 375 356 199 Service Support Charge for Non-IBM Products: IOR Warranty $40 Maintenance Service 40 From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:20:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10831 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:19:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07879; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:09:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:09:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07869; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:09:25 -0400 Received: from top.cis.syr.EDU by lohengrin.top.cis.syr.edu id aa18690; 17 Oct 94 4:08 EDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Yen-Chiun Tseng Subject: ThinkPad Utility Disk 2.00 To: ThinkPad750 Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, The latest utility disk v2.00 is now available via FTP:/FTP.PCCO.IBM.COM/MOBILES/UTTPS200.DOC UTTPS200.EXE From the PCMCIA cards list, I found there is a SCSI card from IBM!!! I believe it should be supported in OS/2 ;-) Anyway, I can't wait!!! The following is coming from uttps200.doc: IBM ThinkPad 750/755/360 Families Utilitiy Diskette V2.00 Sep. 28 1994 ========================================================= This package contains the following diskettes for ThinkPad 355/360/750/755 family of computers: IBM ThinkPad Utility Diskette 1 V2.00 IBM ThinkPad Utility Diskette 2 V2.00 These diskettes, Utility Diskette 1 and 2, were released to support the IBM ThinkPad Dock II. If you are experiencing one of the problems listed in the following Summary of Problem Fixes section, please follow the instructions in your Thinkpad User's Guide to update the utility programs of your ThinkPad 355/360/750/755 family computer. Summary of Problem Fixes ------------------------ << Utility Diskette 1 >>-------------------------------------------------------- The following is a list of problems fixed by the IBM ThinkPad Utility Diskette 1. Released Version ---------------- Version 1.00 Jul. 8 1993 Initial Release for ThinkPad 750/750C/750P Version 1.20 Dec. 3 1993 2nd Release for ThinkPad 750/750C/750P/750Cs/750Ce Version 1.21 Feb. 15 1994 3rd Release for ThinkPad 750 familiy Version 1.30 Feb. 22 1994 4th Release for ThinkPad 355/360/750/755 family Version 1.31 Apr. 18 1994 5th Release for ThinkPad 355/360/750/755 family Version 2.00 Jun. 24 1994 6th Release for ThinkPad 355/360/750/755 family Changed/Fixed Item ------------------ Note: n.nn Diskette Version (e.g. 1.20 Version 1.20) (New) New function or enhancement Installation Program 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.20 The installation program for Windows doesn't work in Win-OS/2 session. 1.20 The Fuel-Gauge program for DOS can't be installed at the DOSSHELL. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 The installation program for Windows doesn't allow long/deep path names. DOS Utility - DOS ThinkPad Feature Program - 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ15 is selected. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ11 is selected with the Port Replicator with PCMCIA. 1.20 (New) An option "Enable/Disable the speaker indicator" is added. 1.20 Resume timer can be selected even if Hibernation Timer is On. 1.20 Set Display Feature Menu selection isn't saved correctly. 1.20 Display High Performance Mode should be always On (750C). 1.20 Items in Suspend and Resume Menu can't be selected by the space bar when the Dock-1 is attached. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (New) Three 'Incoming call' items in the Resume options are integrated into one item. 1.31 The Help menu indicates invalid items. 2.00 (New) DOS Docking Control utilities for Dock II were added. - DOS Fuel-Gauge Program - 1.20 Incorrect Japanese characters are displayed with 8MB IC DRAM Card. 1.21 Frequent system hang-up at idle time or screen saver. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 Fuel-gauge program doesn't work correctly. 1.30 Duration of Remaining Power is not correct when the processor speed is changed. - DOS PCMCIA Utility - 1.20 (New) EasyPlaying is supported. 2.00 EasyPlaying was moved to Utility Diskettte 2. Refer to Utility Diskette 2 section. Windows Utility - Windows ThinkPad Feature Program - 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ15 is selected. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ11 is selected with the Port Replicator with PCMCIA. 1.20 The LCD is still active when Display High Performance Mode is On. 1.21 The way to open the 'More' Window is changed. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (New) Three 'Incoming call' items in Resume options are integrated into one item. 1.30 It is slow to open the 'More' panel from the 'Power' menu. 1.31 (New) Processor Upgrade Kit for 750Ce is supported. 2.00 (New) Windows Docking Control utilities for Dock II were added. - Windows Fuel-Gauge Program - 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.21 Character lost under the high speed communication. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (New) Check if 'MS-DOS with APM' was chosen on Windows setup. 1.30 The screen position is not saved on exit. 1.30 Duration of Remaining Power is not correct when the processor speed is changed. - Windows PCMCIA Utility Program - 1.20 (New) EasyPlaying is supported. 2.00 EasyPlaying was moved to Utility Diskettte 2. Refer to Utility Diskette 2 section. OS/2 Utility - OS/2 ThinkPad Feature Program - 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ15 is selected. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ11 is selected with the Port Replicator with PCMCIA. 1.20 (New) An option "Enable/Disable the speaker indicator" is added. 1.20 The LCD is still active when Display High Performance Mode is on. 1.21 Character lost under the high speed communication. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (New) Three 'Incoming call' items in Resume options are integrated into one item. 1.30 It is slow to open the 'More' panel from the 'Power' menu. 1.30 The description about the Fuel-Gauge program in the Help is incorrect. 1.31 (New) Processor Upgrade Kit for 750Ce is supported. 1.31 163/173 errors occur when the Speaker Indicator is enabled (the 755/360). - OS/2 Fuel-Gauge Program - 1.21 Character lost under the high speed communication. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 The screen position is not saved on exit. 1.30 Duration of Remaining Power is not correct when the processor speed is changed. - OS/2 PCMCIA Utility Program - 1.20 (New) EasyPlaying is supported. 2.00 EasyPlaying was moved to Utility Diskettte 2. Refer to Utility Diskette 2 section. Others 1.20 A bitmap data is added for the wallpaper. 1.30 (New) Windows Large Pointer Program is added. 1.30 (New) IBM ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard for DOS is supported. 1.30 (New) IBM ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard for OS/2 is supported. 1.30 A special patch program for MOUSE.COM 9.01 is added to fix that the system may hang after spend/resume operation. 1.30 A special patch program for MOUSE.COM 8.20 or later to fix that the keyboard/mouse may hang if the Power on Password is installed. 1.31 Serial mouse doesn't work with the IBM ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard. 1.31 QEXPUNIT.EXE returns an incorrect return code (the 755/360 families). << Utility Diskette 2 >>-------------------------------------------------------- EasyPlaying =========== The utilities and drivers related to PCMCIA were seperated as Utility Diskette 2. The following is a list of problems fixed by the IBM ThinkPad Utility Diskette 2. Released Version ---------------- Version 2.00 Jun. 13 1994 Initial Release for ThinkPad 355/360/750/755 family Changed/Fixed Item ------------------ Note: n.nn Diskette Version (e.g. 1.20 Version 1.20) (New) New function or enhancement - DOS PCMCIA Utility - 1.20 (New) EasyPlaying is supported. 2.00 EasyPlaying was moved to Utility Diskettte 2. (New) Card Services specification release 2.10 is supported. (New) DISKDRV.SYS (for SRAM/ATA) was added. - Windows PCMCIA Utility Program - 1.20 (New) EasyPlaying is supported. 2.00 EasyPlaying was moved to Utility Diskettte 2. - OS/2 PCMCIA Utility Program - 1.20 (New) EasyPlaying is supported. 1.31 Problem: 'Hang when shutting down OS/2 2.11 when EasyPlaying is open.' was solved. 1.31 Problem: 'OS/2 2.11 DeskTop is rebuilt when EasyPlaying is closed.' was solved. 2.00 EasyPlaying was moved to Utility Diskettte 2. How to Install EasyPlaying -------------------------- DOS - Insert the ThinkPad utility diskette No2 into the diskette drive. - Type "A:\UINSTALL" and press ENTER. - Follow the instruction on the screen. - Restart the system Windows(includes DOS) - Start Windows - Select "File" from Program Manager window, then select "Run..." from the pull-down menu - Insert the ThinkPad utility diskette No2 into the diskette drive. - Type "A:\PCMINSTW" and press ENTER. - Follow the instruction on the screen. - Restart the system OS2 - Start an "OS2 Full Screen" or an "OS/2 Window" - Insert the ThinkPad utility diskette No2 the diskette drive. - Type "A:\PCMINST2" and press ENTER. - Follow the instruction on the screen. - Restart the system Parameter Definitions: Socket Services /C0=z : This parameter defines the IRQ level to be used by PCMCIA. The OS2 Card Services and Socket Services use a H/W interrupt to notify PCMCIA status change. The default interrupt(IRQ) level for IBM products is IRQ15. This level can be change by this parameter. For Example, "/C0=11" defines the PCMCIA IRQ as 11. NOTE: This is valid ONLY for OS2 Socket Services (IBM2SS01.SYS IBM2SS02.SYS) and in case of IBM2SS02.SYS, "/C=z" can be used instead of "/C0=z". /C1=z : This parameter defines the IRQ level to be used by PCMCIA in a docking station or port replicator. The default interrupt(IRQ) level for the docking station or the port replicator is IRQ11. This level can be change by this parameter. For Example, "/C1=9" defines the PCMCIA IRQ as 11. NOTE: This is valid ONLY for OS2 Socket Services for ISA system (IBM2SS01.SYS). /IG0=y : This parameter defines a slot number where Socket Services will NOT take care it. If you use the "Point enabler" supplied with a PC card, you should take into consideration for the coexistence with Socket services. For Example, "/IG0=1" defines the slot 1 is reserved for a "Point enabler" and Socket Services will ignore the slot and not handle the slot any more. /RI0=x : This parameter defines a slot number where Socket Services will disable RI_OUT signal. If you are using a modem card with ThinkPad family system, and you can not enable "suspend" or "hibernation" function while the modem card is inserted, please try this parameter. For Example, "/RI0=1" defines the slot 1. /D : This parameter enables "Warm docking" capability from the view point of PCMCIA hardware. Card Services /R=200 : This parameter changes Card Services Specification release level. The default Card Services Specification release level of DOS Card Services driver (IBMDOSCS.SYS) is 2.10. If this parameter is specified, the DOS Card Services driver conforms to the Card Services Specification release 2.00. NOTE: This is valid ONLY for the DOS Card Services (IBMDOSCS. SYS). The OS2 Card Services (PCMCIA.SYS) conforms to the Card Services Specification release 2.00, and does not support Card Services Specification release 2.10 now. Resource Map Utility /MA=xxxx-yyyy : Specifies the address range available to Card Services and the PCMCIA cards. Should be in the range of C000h to DFFFh. One or more ranges may be specified in 4K blocks with a comma (,) separating the address ranges. NOTE: If EMM386 or another EMS memory manager is used, this area must be excluded from use by the memory manager (ie. "EMM386 X=xxxx-yyyy"). NOTE: The minimum size of this area depends on the type of PCMCIA card used. - Card Services 4K (mandatory) - Modem 0K - IBM Ethernet 16K - IBM Token Ring 24K - IBM 3270 8K - SRAM/ATA 4K NOTE: If using Windows 3.1, the area specified by the "/MA=" parameter must also be included in the "EMMEXCLUDE=" statement in the SYSTEM.INI file. NOTE: You do need this parameter for OS2. /IX=n Specifies the IRQ level (or levels) that should not be used by PCMCIA cards where n = IRQ level. This parameter is used to avoid possible IRQ conflicts. The Resource Map Utility can automatically detect many IRQ's already in use, but may not detect all. Multiple IRQ's may be specified by separating with a comma (,). For Example, the IRQ's of the SCSI controller in the Dock I for ThinkPad family (IRQ11 as default) is not automatically detected by the Resource Map Utility. So, if a PCMCIA card client driver requests the IRQ from Card Services, a conflict may result unless this parameter is used (/IX=11) to specify that the SCSI IRQ's should not be used. Hints: - Set system serial port as COM1. - If you use EMS driver with PCMCIA drivers under DOS/Windows environment, the memory area specified by /MA must be excluded from usable area for the EMS driver. < CONFIG.SYS > DEVICE=C:\...\EMM386.EXE ... /X=xxxx-yyyy DEVICE=C:\...\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=xxxx-yyyy < SYSTEM.INI for Windows > EMMExclude=xxx-yyyy - The Auto Configurator for DOS/Windows (AUTODRV.SYS) can enable Modem cards, Data/Fax Modem cards and IBM 3270 card as its default setting. - The Super Storage driver for DOS/Windows (DISKDRV.SYS) can enable SRAM cards and hard disk(ATA) cards for read/write operation, and enable Flash Memory cards for read operation if the cards are formatted as FAT format. - Before using a brand-new hard disk card, you may need to initialize the card by EZPLAY.EXE program. - The Auto Configurator for OS2 (AUTODRV2.SYS) can enable Modem cards or Data/Fax Modem cards. - The Super Storage driver for OS2 is not available in this edition. - If you use SRAM cards and do not use hard disk(ATA) cards, you can use the SRAMDRV2.SYS driver instead of the DISKDRV.SYS driver to reduce driver size. - EZPLAYW supports Windows 3.1 Enhanced Mode only. - For the OEM PCMCIA cards, please refer PCMCIA.CRD file for more detail support level. - If you use Compaq Contura AERO 4/25, power on the system with the diskette drive attached. After power on the system, you can attach/ detach the diskette drive. - If you use CompuAdd 433TXC, you may need to touch any key or mouse in order to update the socket information. How to Run EasyPlaying ---------------------- DOS You can see current PCMCIA socket/card status by EZPLAY.EXE Windows 3.1 EZPLAYW.EXE will be started automatically when Windows is started. You can get more information for this program by reading "Help" screen in the EZPLAYW program. OS2 2.1 EZPLAY2.DLL is registered as an object of DeskTop. You can see an ICON titled "EasyPlaying". To start EZPLAY2.DLL, click this ICON. You can get more information for this program by reading "Help" screen in the EZPLAY2 program. Note: - The Auto configurator for DOS,Windows (AUTODRV.SYS) can enable Modem cards, Data/Fax Modem cards and IBM 3270 card as it default From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:20:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10831 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:19:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07879; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:09:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:09:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07869; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:09:25 -0400 Received: from top.cis.syr.EDU by lohengrin.top.cis.syr.edu id aa18690; 17 Oct 94 4:08 EDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 04:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Yen-Chiun Tseng Subject: ThinkPad Utility Disk 2.00 To: ThinkPad750 Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII setting. The driver can enable the following PCMCIA cards as option by modifying AUTODRV.INI file: IBM Token Ring card IBM Ethernet cards If you want to enable these cards by the AUTODRV.SYS, please modify the AUTODRV.INI file as follows: Option=Ignore ===> ;Option=Ignore Note: The AUTODRV.SYS does not have NDIS or ODI driver capability, so this function may be useful only for IBM LSP/NATIVE mode environment. If you are using the CS20TOK.SYS driver, you may use the AUTODRV.SYS driver instead of the CS20TOK.SYS. - The Auto configurator for OS2 (AUTODRV2.SYS) can enable Modem cards or Data/Fax Modem cards and it does not support other communication cards. - For the OEM PCMCIA cards, please refer PCMCIA.CRD file for more detail support level. - EZPLAYW supports only Windows 3.1 Enhanced Mode. EasyPlaying Files ----------------- READ.ME : Read Me file PCMCIA.CRD : PC Card Support List PCMINST2.EXE : Installation Program for OS2 2.1 PCMINST2.DAT : Installation Program Data File for OS2 PCMINSTW.EXE : Installation Program for Windows PCMINSTW.DAT : Installation Program Data File for Windows UINSTALL.EXE : Installation Program for DOS PCMINST.DAT : Installation Program Data File for DOS PCMINST.EXE : Installation Program for DOS PCMCD01B.IDP : Installation Program Data File for DOS IBMDOSCS.SYS : Card Services driver for DOS PCMCIA.SYS : Card Services driver for OS2 IBMDSS01.SYS : Socket Services driver for DOS IBM2SS01.SYS : Socket Services driver for OS2 DICRMU01.SYS : Resource Map Utility driver for DOS ICRMU01.SYS : Resource Map Utility driver for OS2 VPCMCIA.SYS : Virtual Card Services driver for OS2 $ICPMDOS.SYS : PCMCIA Power Management Support driver for DOS $ICPMOS2.SYS : PCMCIA Power Management Support driver for OS2 EZPLAY.EXE : EasyPlaying for DOS EZPLAYW.EXE : EasyPlaying for Windows EZPLAYW.HLP : EasyPlaying for Windows help file EZPLAY2.DLL : EasyPlaying for OS2 EZPLAY2.HLP : EasyPlaying for OS2 help file AUTODRV.SYS : Auto Configurator for DOS AUTODRV.INI : Auto Configurator for DOS Data file AUTODRV2.SYS : Auto Configurator for OS2 AUTODRV2.INI : Auto Configurator for OS2 Data file DISKDRV.SYS : Super Storage driver for DOS/Windows SRAMDRV2.SYS : SRAM driver for DOS/Windows IBMVCD.386 : Windows 3.1 Virtual COM driver (PCMCIA Support) COM.SYS : Updated COM.SYS for OS2 (PCMCIA Support) <<<<< PC Cards for IBM(*) ThinkPad(*) systems >>>>> The following PC Cards have been tested successfully on the IBM ThinkPad systems. For detailed information, contact each card manufacturer. Tested ThinkPad system: ThinkPad 750 Family < Communication Cards > Card Type Company Support PCMCIA Card Product Name Level ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Modem Apex(**) Data,Inc. Apex Data, data/fax modem, Model IBP-1414 AA Apex Data, data/fax modem, Model IBP-2496 AA Apex Data, data/fax modem, Model PCR-9696 AA AT&T Paradyne KeepIntouch Card(**) Modem AA Complus Inc. FaXXpress 942 AA COM1 SA MC215 Pcmcia Card COM1 AA MC216 Pcmcia Card COM1 AA DATA RACE (**) RediCARD (**) PCMCIA Data/FAX Modem AA RediCARD High Speed PCMCIA Data/FAX Modem AA ELSA GmbH (Germany) MicroLink(**) 2460MC FullFax-Modem AA E-TECH Inc. PCMCIA Data/Fax Modem Model C9624RX AA EXP Computer, Inc. THINFAX fax/data modem AA Dr. Neuhaus Mikroelektronik GmbH Fury card(**) 2400 AA Intel(**) PCMCIA Faxmodem 14.4/14.4 (U.S.version) AA PCMCIA Faxmodem 9600/9600 (U.S.version) AA PCMCIA Faxmodem 2400/9600 (U.S.version) AA MagicRAM(**) Mercury 9624(**) Voice/Fax/Modem card AA MX MACRONIX(**) MaxCard 144 AA Megahertz(**) Data/Fax Modem with XJACK(**) Model #XJ124FM AA Data/Fax Modem with XJACK(**) Model #XJ1144 AA OMRON(**) data/fax modem MD24XCA A OKI(**) Modem Card A RATOC SYSTEM Inc. REX-5565 DATA/FAX MODEM Card AA SCM(**) Microsystems Europe SCM_FAX 2400/9600 A SMART(**) Moduler Technologies SmartExchange(**) 9624 AA TDK(**) Data/Fax Modem Card AA TEXAS(**) INSTRUMENTS 2400+ Send Fax Modem A IBM PCMCIA Data/FAX Modem AA High Speed PCMCIA Data/FAX Modem AA 2400bps Data Modem PCMCIA Adapter Card AA Data/Fax PCMCIA Modem Card AA IBM Microelectronics 2.4/9.6 Data/FAX Modem AA 14.4/14.4 Data/FAX Modem AA Serial Socket(**) Communications.Inc Socket I/O credit card serial adapter AA IBM Microelectronics RS232 Serial Card AA SDLC IBM SDLC PCMCIA Modem Card B Ethernet AMP(**) Incorporated Smart Connector Systems LAN 10Base-T B CardWell(**) International Corp. PCMCIA Ethernet LAN Card 10Base-T B PCMCIA Ethernet LAN Card 10Base-2 B CONTEC Co.,Ltd LAN-HELPER C-NET(PM)C series 10 Base-T B LAN-HELPER C-NET(PM)C series 10 Base-2 B New Media corporation PCMCIA LAN Adapter Card 10 Base-T B PCMCIA LAN Adapter Card 10 Base-2 B MagicRAM Ethernet 10 Base-T Credit Card Adapter B Ethernet 10 Base-2 Credit Card Adapter B RATOC SYSTEM Inc. REX-5585 10Base-T Ethernet card B RIOS IC card Ethernet 10BaseT B IC card Ethernet 10Base2 B Socket Communications.Inc EA+(**) PCMCIA LAN adapter B EA PCMCIA LAN adapter B SCM Microsystems Europe SCM_EC (10 Base 2) B SCM_ET (10 Base T) B TDK Ethernet 10BASE-T LAC-CD011 B Ungermann-Bass Access/CARD B Xircom(**) CreditCard Ethernet Adapter B IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter 10BaseT B Ethernet Credit Card Adapter 10Base2 B Token-Ring RIOS IC card Token-Ring B MagicRAM 16/4 Token-Ring Credit Card Adapter B SCM Microsystems Europe SCM_TR Token-Ring card B IBM Token-Ring Credit Card Adapter B 3270 IBM 3270 EMULATION CREDIT CARD ADAPTER A 5250 IBM 5250 PCMCIA Adapter Card B 5250 EMULATION PCMCIA ADAPTER B Infrared IBM Microelectronics PCMCIA Infrared Wireless Adapter B < Memory/Storage Cards > Card Type Company Support PCMCIA Card Product Name Level ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ATA CardWell International Corp. PCMCIA ATA Hard Disk Drives A1 EPSON(**) Flash Packer(**) A1 Maxtor(**) MobileMax(**) Hard Drive Model MXL-105-III A1 SunDisk(**) SDP-xx series A1 Integral(**) peripherals Model 1841PA A1 IBM Solid State Mass Storage Card (5M/10M/15M) A1 40MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive A1 105MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive A1 IBM Microelectronics PCMCIA Solid State File Card (5M/10M/20M/30M/40M) A1 External PCMCIA Drive (364MB/527MB) A1 Flash MagicRAM Flash memory card A2 Maxell(**) EF-TB series A2 Fujisoku(**) J-series memory card A2 Sony(**) IMF series A2 AMI(**) American Microsystems,Inc. ASIS(**), memory cards A2 SCM micro system Europe FCxxxMB flash card (256KB -- 20MB) A2 SRAM ADTEC System Science AXS series SRAM card A1 AMI American Microsystems,Inc. ASIS, memory cards A1 ASCII SRAM card A1 Fujisoku J-series memory card A1 Fujitsu(**) SRAM card A1 IBM PCMCIA Memory Cards 1M, 2M A1 MagicRAM A1 Dual battery SRAM card MELCO RJB-512/1000/2000 SRAM card (Japan) A1 Maxell Maxll ML-TB A1 Mitsubishi(**) MELCARD(**) SRAM A1 NEC(**) SRAM card A1 OKI memory card series A1 Panasonic(**) Memory card SRAM-BN-xxxHMC (64KB -- 4MB) A1 SCM micro system Europe SCxxxxMB SRAM card (128KB -- 2MB) A1 SMART Moduler Technologies SM9SRD1MP3200 A1 Sony IMS series A1 Toshiba(**) MCM33 series A1 < Other I/O card > GPS Socket Communications.Inc PCMCIA Global Positioning System B SCSI Trantor Systems Ltd. SlimSCSI(**) 16-bit PCMCIA-to-SCSI Adapter B New Media Corporation Visual Media(**) SCSI adapter B Bus Toaster(**) High Performance SCSI adapter B RATOC SYSTEM Inc. REX-5535 SCSI PC card B IBM PCMCIA SCSI Card A Audio New Media Corporation .WAVjammer PCMCIA Sound card B Panasonic Sound Card CF-VEW211 B IBM PCMCIA 16-bit Audio Adapter B < Support Level > A Tested successfully with IBM Auto Configurator.(AUTODRV.SYS). AA Tested successfully with IBM Auto Configurator.(AUTODRV.SYS). and OS/2 Auto Configurator (AUTODRV2.SYS) A1 Tested Read/Write successfully with IBM SRAM/ATA Driver.(DISKDRV.SYS) A2 Tested Read successfully with IBM SRAM/ATA Driver.(DISKDRV.SYS) B Tested successfully with the device driver or utility program supplied with the PC card. You must specify the device statement of this client device driver before the device statement of Auto Configurator (AUTODRV.SYS). This list does not include all of the products that may run on the ThinkPad systems. IBM has not evaluated these products and makes no comments or judgements about their functions, quality or performance or country certification requirements. Listed products may not be available in all countries. < Trademarks > The following terms, denoted by a double asterisk(**), are trademarks of other companies: ASIS American Microsystems,Inc. AMP AMP Inc. APEX Apex Data,Inc. CardWell CardWell International Corp. COM1 COM1 SA DATA RACE DATA RACE, Inc. EXP EXP Computer, Inc KeepIntouch Card AT&T Paradyne corp. FURYCARD Dr. Neuhaus Mikroelektronik GmbH MicroLink ELSA GmbH MX MACRONIX MACRONIX, Inc. FUJISOKU Fujitsu Fujitsu Ltd. MagicRAM MagicRAM Inc. Mercury 9624 MagicRAM Inc. Maxell Hitachi-Maxell corp. Maxtor Maxtor corp. MobileMax Maxtor corp. Integral Integral peripherals Intel Intel corp. Megahertz Megahertz corp. Mitsubishi Mitsubishi Electric corp. MELCARD Mitsubishi Electric corp. NEC NEC corp. Visual Media New Media corp. OMRON OMRON corp. OKI OKI Electric Industry Co.,Ltd Panasonic Panasonic Electronics corp. RediCARD DATA RACE, Inc. SCM SCM Microsystems Europe SlimSCSI Trantor Systems Ltd. Smart SMART Moduler Technologies SmartRAM SMART Moduler Technologies SmartExchange SMART Moduler Technologies Socket Socket Communicatoins.Inc. EA+ Socket Communicatoins.Inc. Sony Sony corp. SunDisk SunDisk corp. TDK TDK corp. TEXAS TEXAS INSTRUMENTS THINFAX EXP Computer, Inc Toshiba Toshiba corp. Ethernet Xerox corp. Xircom Xircom XJACK Megahertz corp. Windows Microsoft corp. PCMCIA Personal Computer Memory Card International Association The following terms, denoted by an asterisk(*), are trademarks of the IBM Corporation in the United States or other countries: IBM ThinkPad From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06427 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:54:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06296; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:01:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:01:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06282; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:01:08 -0400 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by fire.ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with ESMTP id KAA18663; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:02:17 -0400 Received: from gedny07.gedny.ml.com (gedny07.gedny.ml.com [146.125.9.7]) by ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with SMTP id JAA04914; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:59:13 -0400 Received: from gedny29.gedny by gedny07.gedny.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11601; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:00:25 EDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:00:25 EDT From: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Message-Id: <9410171400.AA11601@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Received: by gedny29.gedny (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16805; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:00:23 EDT To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: jfid@mfltd.co.uk, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's In-Reply-To: <199410151530.LAA06110@wilma.cs.utk.edu> References: <199410151411.PAA16446@icebox.mfltd.co.uk> <199410151530.LAA06110@wilma.cs.utk.edu> writes: > > > > > > Does anyone know which disk controller chips the 750 and 755 use? > > > > > > > When I boot from my Linux install bootdisk, it reports : > > > > "FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077" > > > > Means nothing to me, though. It's just a shame that I can't get the boot > > kernel to load the root disk -- I get a floppy I/O error. > > That's either because the thinkpad has a different floppy drive type than > Linux is used to, or because the thinkpad floppy's disk change line has the > opposite assertion level than nearly every other PC on the planet. > > Both of these problems have been solved, but the bottom line is that the > thinkpad requires a different version of Linux. > > Do you know about the Linux-on-a-ThinkPad web page? It's at: > > http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/html/linux-thinkpad.html For people behind firewalls (like us) who have access only for ftp & telnet, can I ftp these (or FAQ or any blurb!). Thanks, /Pradeep From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12230 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:05:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06721; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:07:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:07:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06710; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:07:51 -0400 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14163; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:01:52 -0500 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41337; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:03:16 -0500 From: rol@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9410171403.AA41337@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: Re: Help with using 755 w/SCSI (thread continuation) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (IBM 750 newsgroup) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:03:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The docking station has an internal SCSI adapter built into it. My message forgot to make that clear (it's not inside the notebook). Forwarded message: > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Oct 15 00:54:28 1994 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:26:54 EDT > Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:24:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Stephen Hosmer > Subject: Re: Help with using 755 w/SCSI > To: Roleigh Martin > Cc: Thinkpad List > In-Reply-To: <9410141900.AA70575@lochness.uhc.com> > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I don't understand your referance to "internal SCSI." Is this some sort > of SCSI controller on-board the 750? > > shosmer@netcom.com > > On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Roleigh Martin wrote: > > > I'm trying to get the Thinkpad 750 to work with the internal > > SCSI device (I ordered and got the special SCSI cable from IBM PC > > Direct). I can't find the diskette that has FDSDA.EXE, the SCSI > > diagnostics utility. Where is it? I can't find it on the optionis > > diskette. > > Thanks! > > P.S. Has anyone got a Thinkpad with a ACE FlashRam card? Can > > you send me your config.sys? Thanks! > > -- > > | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | > > | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | > > | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | > > | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | > > | ** B'days are good for health ** | > > | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | > > | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | > > > -- | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | | ** B'days are good for health ** | | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21271 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:25:56 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08698; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:32:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:32:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from icebox.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08682; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:32:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfid@localhost) by icebox.mfltd.co.uk (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA01937 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 15:34:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199410171434.PAA01937@icebox.mfltd.co.uk> From: jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 15:34:47 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Linux working on a TP755C! Yes, I've finally got everything working! I have a 755C with 20Mb RAM, DOCK 1, 540Mb disk. The problems I had were : o The standard Slackware bootdisk doesn't work. o The bootdisk didn't work either, because it wouldn't recognise my hard disk. It barfed because it couldn't handle the size of the disk. o The standard Linux kernel sources don't support the reversed logic of the disk-change sense line. So, I created my own boot disk using a 1.1.50 kernel having modified the sources to support the disk-change sense stuff properly. The sources have changed greatly since 1.0.9 on which the (reversed) patches at peipa.essex.ac.uk are based. They have changed again between 1.1.50 and 1.1.54, I notice. The 1.1.50 drive correctly handled the 540Mb disk, with geometry specified as 524,32,63 and I got everything installed from the standard Slackware disks. Then it was just a case of putting copying the boot kernel onto the hard disk and running lilo to get the machine to boot from the hard disk. I've now got the 1.1.54 kernel built with networking support built in, and it's running quite happily on our network :-) If anyone want's the bookdisk/kernel image, let me know and I'll put it up for FTP somewhere. James. -- "Yield to temptation -- | it may not pass your way again" | jfid@mfltd.co.uk | - Lazarus Long | James Fidell From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10122 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:07:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10977; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:59:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:59:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10967; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:59:05 -0400 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by fire.ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with ESMTP id LAA20675; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:00:01 -0400 Received: from gedny07.gedny.ml.com (gedny07.gedny.ml.com [146.125.9.7]) by ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with SMTP id KAA08056; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:56:57 -0400 Received: from gedny29.gedny by gedny07.gedny.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11710; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:58:09 EDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:58:09 EDT From: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Message-Id: <9410171458.AA11710@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Received: by gedny29.gedny (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16987; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:58:07 EDT To: jfid@mfltd.co.uk Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Linux working on a TP755C! In-Reply-To: <199410171434.PAA01937@icebox.mfltd.co.uk> References: <199410171434.PAA01937@icebox.mfltd.co.uk> writes: > Yes, I've finally got everything working! > > I have a 755C with 20Mb RAM, DOCK 1, 540Mb disk. > > The problems I had were : > > o The standard Slackware bootdisk doesn't work. > > o The bootdisk didn't work either, because it wouldn't recognise my > hard disk. It barfed because it couldn't handle the size of the > disk. > > o The standard Linux kernel sources don't support the reversed logic > of the disk-change sense line. > > So, I created my own boot disk using a 1.1.50 kernel having modified the > sources to support the disk-change sense stuff properly. The sources > have changed greatly since 1.0.9 on which the (reversed) patches at > peipa.essex.ac.uk are based. They have changed again between 1.1.50 and > 1.1.54, I notice. > > The 1.1.50 drive correctly handled the 540Mb disk, with geometry specified > as 524,32,63 and I got everything installed from the standard Slackware > disks. Then it was just a case of putting copying the boot kernel onto > the hard disk and running lilo to get the machine to boot from the > hard disk. > > I've now got the 1.1.54 kernel built with networking support built in, > and it's running quite happily on our network :-) > > If anyone want's the bookdisk/kernel image, let me know and I'll put it > up for FTP somewhere. > Will this run w/o any problems on a TP750Ce, 20MB, 340MB hard disk If so, I am very much interested in the bootdisk/kernel iage. Thanks, /Pradeep From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16389 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:20:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11592; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:05:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:05:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from icebox.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11568; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:05:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfid@localhost) by icebox.mfltd.co.uk (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA04536 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:08:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199410171508.QAA04536@icebox.mfltd.co.uk> From: jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:08:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: Pradeep Chetal's note of Oct 17, 10:58am To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Linux working on a TP755C! Pradeep Chetal wrote: > > I've now got the 1.1.54 kernel built with networking support built in, > > and it's running quite happily on our network :-) > > > > If anyone want's the bookdisk/kernel image, let me know and I'll put it > > up for FTP somewhere. > > > > Will this run w/o any problems on a > TP750Ce, 20MB, 340MB hard disk > > If so, I am very much interested in the bootdisk/kernel iage. Haven't got a clue, but I don't see why not. I'd have thought that the kernel on peipa.essex.ac.uk should work for you, too. You can get that using anonymous FTP from peipa.essex.ac.uk:/tp750/tp-bare.gz I'll mail you the address of mine once I've got it set up somewhere. James. -- "Yield to temptation -- | it may not pass your way again" | jfid@mfltd.co.uk | - Lazarus Long | James Fidell From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23405 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:36:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13912; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:36:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:36:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom19.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13902; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:36:28 -0400 Received: by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA27904; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 08:33:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 08:33:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: Disks for 75x's To: Randal Whittle , Bradford Glade , TP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK Folks we have the five lot priceing discount!!! ------------------------------------------B If you call for a drive please use PETER KUSINSKI as your reference and just tell him you would like the internet discount. This will apply to ALL the Adrives in the range. The details are as follows. Phone number 1-800-446-4525 Contact : PETER KUSHINSKI. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Martin P. Smith wrote: > I am willing to ask Sigma Data next week if they would be willing to > do this. I will call during the AM PST Monday and let you all know the > result. > > If we all use the same contact name then maybe this will work for us. > > > Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM > > > On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > > martin> I also called and got the same info. The availability of 540 > > > martin> is next week, for the 810 is about 2 weeks. > > > > > > martin> Is there any way we can organize a group purchase ? > > > > > > I too am interested in this. (I think that makes three of us now.) The > > > price break is better for the 540MB drives ($200 dollar savings > > > vs. $100). My preference is still for the 810MB drive, but I'd be > > > happy with any of the options. Are other folks interested in this? > > > Anyone feel like taking control and managing the order? > > > > > > -Brad. > > > > Certainly not meaning to offend anyone, but if I were to > > purchase a drive in this manner (and I'd like to--just not sure of the > > finances), I think it would be best if one of the "old-timers" of the > > list--someone we can presumably trust with the $--took the money > > and made the batch order. > > > > Or perhaps we can just convince Sigma Data that members of the > > ThinkPad list could mention the list and recieve the group order > > discount? That would be much better! > > > > ----- ________________________________ > > Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | > > USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| > > (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | > > right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | > > -------------------------------- > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08889 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:00:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19847; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:55:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:55:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19827; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:55:16 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 4475; Mon, 17 Oct 94 12:55:16 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 8877; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:55:16 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 17 Oct 94 12:55:15 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA19702; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:55:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:55:08 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9410171655.AA19702@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Disks for 75x's > I also called and got the same info. The availability of 540 > is next week, for the 810 is about 2 weeks. > > Is there any way we can organize a group purchase ? Since you all seem to be upgrading to the big drives, I hope that some of you will be offering to sell your used 340MB drives to those of us less-fortunates on the list... --andy From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:21:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16255 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:15:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21276; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:17:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:17:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21263; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:17:40 -0400 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by fire.ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with ESMTP id NAA28739 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:18:48 -0400 Received: from gedny07.gedny.ml.com (gedny07.gedny.ml.com [146.125.9.7]) by ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with SMTP id NAA15439 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:15:44 -0400 Received: from gedny29.gedny by gedny07.gedny.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12347; Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:16:54 EDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:16:54 EDT From: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Message-Id: <9410171716.AA12347@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Received: by gedny29.gedny (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17208; Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:16:52 EDT To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: DOS (PC/MS). I think I have asked this before on the list. As soon as I got my 750Ce I replaced the PC-DOS by MS-DSO 6.2. I did this may be because I wanted to compress the drive. Does PC-DOS has anything special which I am missing? I keep on hearing about this TP diskettes from IBM. Do they work better under PC-DOS? I know someone mentioned that there was no need to switch to MS-DOS but I had already done that. Should I waste time switching back? Thanks, /Pradeep -- Pradeep Chetal Internet: chetal@gedny.ml.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 00:22:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22108 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 21:05:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25197; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 20:54:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 20:53:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dragon by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25187; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 20:53:56 -0400 Received: from grape.iss.nus.sg by dragon (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13426; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 08:56:41 +0800 From: kcheong@iss.nus.sg (Kevin Cheong) Message-Id: <9410180056.AA13426@dragon> Subject: Not getting mail.. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 08:56:40 +0800 (SST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, I've not been getting any mail from this list for over a week. Are there anyone on this list in this region getting regular mail >from the mailing list? (anyway, if you get this mail you would get all else) I'm trying to track down the source of the problem - mail routing problem but where? If you could acknowledge the mail (only those in this region getting regular mail from tp750@cs.utk.edu) using my internet address below, I'd be grateful. cheers! . kevin cheong nlp program . . . . . institute of systems science . . national university of singapore . . . . . . . . . . kevin@iss.nus.sg . From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 11:19:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05901 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:24:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12864; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:26:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:26:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12854; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:26:26 -0400 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id WAA16370; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 22:23:25 -0700 From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Message-Id: <199410180523.WAA16370@netcom4.netcom.com> Subject: cc:mail advantis bundle To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 22:23:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is kinda weird, but I think I'm on solid moral ground at least.. (if you don't think so, please flame me by email, and not on the list:) I bought my 755cs 2 months ago, and I was sure I'd never want to use the cc:mail that came with it, so I didn't even bother to run the disk builder thing. I'm starting to think maybe I would like to give it a whirl now, but I called IBM and they said there's no procedure for replacing the bundled apps.. and offered to sell me another copy. If one of you wouldn't mind, I'd like to arrange a modem/ftp/whatever swap Cheers.. ________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 11:19:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03486 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 11:03:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26132; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 10:44:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 10:44:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26114; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 10:44:23 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA17942; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 07:44:19 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA29701; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 07:44:12 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410181444.HAA29701@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: cc:mail advantis bundle To: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: <199410180523.WAA16370@netcom4.netcom.com> from "Jesse Montrose" at Oct 17, 94 10:23:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I bought my 755cs 2 months ago, and I was sure I'd never want to use the > cc:mail that came with it, so I didn't even bother to run the disk builder > thing. > > I'm starting to think maybe I would like to give it a whirl now, but I > called IBM and they said there's no procedure for replacing the bundled > apps.. and offered to sell me another copy. This is a bunch of crap. If cc:mail was part of the bundle for the machine, then you have a license for it--and IBM is trying to pull a fast one by getting you to buy another copy. If I were you, I would try to determine my license number and then call Lotus and get them to send me new disks. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 17:22:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11226 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:08:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11820; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:08:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:08:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11810; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:08:41 -0400 From: Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA07987; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 11:05:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199410181805.LAA07987@netcom8.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: http around firewalls Date: 18 Oct 1994 10:15:37 Organization: spine.com Reply-To: jesse@netcom.com On Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:00:25 EDT chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) wrote: > Do you know about the Linux-on-a-ThinkPad web page? It's at: > > > > http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/html/linux-thinkpad.html > > > For people behind firewalls (like us) who have access only for ftp & telnet, > can I ftp these (or FAQ or any blurb!). I think there are real options, but until you come across one, you can always just telnet to the http port (which is all a web browser does anyway) telnet peipa.essex.ac.uk 80 get html/linux-thinkpad.html works just fine. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 17:22:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13920 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:12:56 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12492; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:16:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:16:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12482; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:16:04 -0400 From: Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA04782; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 11:13:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199410181813.LAA04782@netcom9.netcom.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Subject: Re: cc:mail advantis bundle Date: 18 Oct 1994 11:04:41 Organization: spine.com Reply-To: jesse@netcom.com On Tue, 18 Oct 1994 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Randal Whittle wrote: > This is a bunch of crap. If cc:mail was part of the bundle for > the machine, then you have a license for it--and IBM is trying to pull > a fast one by getting you to buy another copy. My thinking exactly. > If I were you, I would try to determine my license number and > then call Lotus and get them to send me new disks. Aha, I hadn't thought of that, I'll see if ibm can do something about finding my license number. I did keep the manual, but I dont' think it was in there. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 17:22:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06752 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 11:59:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27114; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 10:53:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 10:53:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27094; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 10:53:46 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA04975; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:53:02 MDT Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:53:02 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410181453.AA04975@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: cc:mail advantis bundle > I bought my 755cs 2 months ago, and I was sure I'd never want to use the > cc:mail that came with it, so I didn't even bother to run the disk builder > thing. > I'm starting to think maybe I would like to give it a whirl now, but I > called IBM and they said there's no procedure for replacing the bundled > apps.. and offered to sell me another copy. > If one of you wouldn't mind, I'd like to arrange a modem/ftp/whatever swap Jesse - You might give Lotus a call, as they will send you the original install disks for just the cost of the disks themselves (with proof of purchase). I had them send out the ScreenCam and Organizer disks so that I could remove those apps and still have the option to reinstall later if I changed my mind. Total cost was something like $8, including shipping. (Sorry, I didn't request the cc:mail disks, and they weren't included with the ScreenCam/Organizer package.) Just a thought... - Karl Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. Denver, CO. From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 17:22:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09666 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:05:03 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11871; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:09:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:09:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11842; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:08:56 -0400 From: Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA08012; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 11:06:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199410181806.LAA08012@netcom8.netcom.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Subject: Re: cc:mail advantis bundle Date: 18 Oct 1994 11:04:41 Organization: spine.com Reply-To: jesse@netcom.com On Tue, 18 Oct 1994 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Randal Whittle wrote: > This is a bunch of crap. If cc:mail was part of the bundle for > the machine, then you have a license for it--and IBM is trying to pull > a fast one by getting you to buy another copy. My thinking exactly. > If I were you, I would try to determine my license number and > then call Lotus and get them to send me new disks. Aha, I hadn't thought of that, I'll see if ibm can do something about finding my license number. I did keep the manual, but I dont' think it was in there. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 17:22:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18663 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:21:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12477; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:15:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:15:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12467; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:15:53 -0400 From: Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA04727; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 11:13:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199410181813.LAA04727@netcom9.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: http around firewalls Date: 18 Oct 1994 10:15:37 Organization: spine.com Reply-To: jesse@netcom.com On Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:00:25 EDT chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) wrote: > Do you know about the Linux-on-a-ThinkPad web page? It's at: > > > > http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/html/linux-thinkpad.html > > > For people behind firewalls (like us) who have access only for ftp & telnet, > can I ftp these (or FAQ or any blurb!). I think there are real options, but until you come across one, you can always just telnet to the http port (which is all a web browser does anyway) telnet peipa.essex.ac.uk 80 get html/linux-thinkpad.html works just fine. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 19:09:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13116 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:56:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02003; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:56:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:56:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01993; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:56:04 -0400 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15524; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:50:04 -0500 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA73823; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:51:28 -0500 From: rol@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9410182251.AA73823@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: APM driver is not loaded msg (but it is!) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (IBM 750 newsgroup) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:51:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I finally got everything to work (a Pioneer 6 tray CD ROM, Model DRM-604X), an Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI adapter, an 80mb Ace Double- Space+ PCMCIA SRAM card, on my IBM Thinkpad 755C 540mb system w/ Stacker 4.0 on both the 540mb device and on the 80mb PCMCIA card. I am using IBM's Thinkpad 2.00 Utility Diskette (I ftp'ed the files from the pcco ftp site). I am using the original PC DOS 6.3. Afterwards, I used Qemm's 7.04 Quarterdeck to optimize RAM. My exclude/Qemm line is as follows: DEVICE=C:\Q\QEMM386.SYS RAM ST:M ARAM=C800-CFFF X=B800-BFFF RF My windows setup says that I have: MS-DOS SYSTEM W/APM SVGA(WD90C24) 640x780 256 COLORS SMALL FONTS But now, to my chagrin, I get this message when entering into windows: ---------------------------------------------------------- Information ---------------------------------------------------------- ! APM driver is not loaded to your system. This may cause the suspend/resume problem of a mouse. ! Exit Windows and execute SETUP command under the Windows directory. Then select 'MS-DOS System with APM' of Computer item. OK But That is my setup! And my config.sys works just fine if I use the same lines but instead use himem.sys and emm386.exe (but then I have about 100k less base memory). I do load the POWER.EXE program too. Here is my config.sys statements. Does anyone know what I should do to fix this? Thanks! [menu] menuitem=modnewa2, IBM PCMCIA Drivers w/Qemm for w/o Dock but w/Adaptec menudefault=modnewa2, 15 [modnewa2] Lastdrive=W DEVICE=C:\Q\DOSDATA.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DOS=HIGH,UMB FILES=50 BUFFERS=10 STACKS=9,256 REM CB80-CBFF was found by QEMM 7.04 as an area to avoid REM CA00-CBFF is used by TP Docking Station SCSI controller per IBM Doc. REM CC00-CFFF is used by PCMATA.SYS per my choice REM B800-BFFF is used by VGA Text per MFT on no-dock/plain bootup REM C800-CFFF is original exclude line spanking new TP 755 SET LOADHIDATA=C:\Q\LOADHI.RF DEVICE=C:\Q\QEMM386.SYS RAM ST:M ARAM=C800-CFFF X=B800-BFFF RF DEVICE=C:\Q\DOS-UP.SYS @C:\Q\DOS-UP.DAT DEVICE=C:\STK\DPMS.EXE DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\STK\STACHIGH.SYS DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS /D DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C800-CFFF DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF /SIZE=7504 C:\DOS\POWER.EXE DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\DISKDRV.SYS DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\SRAMDRV2.SYS DEVICE=C:\ACE\ACEDRV.SYS DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF c:\TSCSI\MA460.SYS DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\PIONEER\DRD60ASP.SYS /D:MSCD000 /N:6 /S:0 /C:CDP SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /P /E:512 P.S. I also hate the fact that the SRAMDRV2.SYS eats up 4 drive letters (I J K L) when I want it to just eat up drive E: for my 80mb drive card (which oddly enough is what ends up being used for the card, but when I load MSCDEX I end up having to ask for 6 contiguous drive letters starting with M:! -- prior to doing the MSCDEX, just typing STACKER shows that drive letters A-L are eaten up although only A C D E mean anything (A=floppy, C=stackerized 540mb, D=host drive uncompressed for C, E=stackerized 4o-to-80 mb PCMCIA card). Is there any way to control what drive letters get eaten up by SRAMDRV2.SYS -- I know it is eating up I J K L because I put a DEVICE=PAUSE.SYS (I got such a device driver from Compuserve from a shareware program called LACE) and I could see that it issued the message that it was using these 4 drive letters. Thanks again! -- | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | | ** B'days are good for health ** | | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 19:09:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15386 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:04:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02251; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:04:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:04:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02234; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:04:28 -0400 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12251; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:58:30 -0500 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA84405; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:59:54 -0500 From: rol@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9410182259.AA84405@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: APM driver is not loaded msg (but it is!) #2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (IBM 750 newsgroup) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:59:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit P.P.S. I also lost my windows sound when I did the QEMM optimize to what otherwise was working (but with very low base memory) with emm386.exe. Does anyone know why QEMM has generated this APM error message and made me loose Windows sound? Thanks! Forwarded message: > From rol Tue Oct 18 17:51:28 1994 > Subject: APM driver is not loaded msg (but it is!) > To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (IBM 750 newsgroup) > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:51:28 -0500 (CDT) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 4191 > > I finally got everything to work (a Pioneer 6 tray CD ROM, Model > DRM-604X), an Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI adapter, an 80mb Ace Double- > Space+ PCMCIA SRAM card, on my IBM Thinkpad 755C 540mb system w/ > Stacker 4.0 on both the 540mb device and on the 80mb PCMCIA card. > I am using IBM's Thinkpad 2.00 Utility Diskette (I ftp'ed the > files from the pcco ftp site). I am using the original PC DOS 6.3. > Afterwards, I used Qemm's 7.04 Quarterdeck to optimize RAM. My > exclude/Qemm line is as follows: > > DEVICE=C:\Q\QEMM386.SYS RAM ST:M ARAM=C800-CFFF X=B800-BFFF RF > > My windows setup says that I have: > MS-DOS SYSTEM W/APM > SVGA(WD90C24) 640x780 256 COLORS SMALL FONTS > > But now, to my chagrin, I get this message when entering into > windows: > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Information > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ! APM driver is not loaded to your system. This may > cause the suspend/resume problem of a mouse. > ! Exit Windows and execute SETUP command under the > Windows directory. Then select 'MS-DOS System with > APM' of Computer item. > OK > > But That is my setup! And my config.sys works just fine if I use > the same lines but instead use himem.sys and emm386.exe (but then > I have about 100k less base memory). I do load the POWER.EXE > program too. Here is my config.sys statements. Does anyone know > what I should do to fix this? Thanks! > > > [menu] > menuitem=modnewa2, IBM PCMCIA Drivers w/Qemm for w/o Dock but w/Adaptec > menudefault=modnewa2, 15 > > [modnewa2] > Lastdrive=W > DEVICE=C:\Q\DOSDATA.SYS > DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS > DOS=HIGH,UMB > FILES=50 > BUFFERS=10 > STACKS=9,256 > REM CB80-CBFF was found by QEMM 7.04 as an area to avoid > REM CA00-CBFF is used by TP Docking Station SCSI controller per IBM Doc. > REM CC00-CFFF is used by PCMATA.SYS per my choice > REM B800-BFFF is used by VGA Text per MFT on no-dock/plain bootup > REM C800-CFFF is original exclude line spanking new TP 755 > SET LOADHIDATA=C:\Q\LOADHI.RF > DEVICE=C:\Q\QEMM386.SYS RAM ST:M ARAM=C800-CFFF X=B800-BFFF RF > DEVICE=C:\Q\DOS-UP.SYS @C:\Q\DOS-UP.DAT > DEVICE=C:\STK\DPMS.EXE > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\STK\STACHIGH.SYS > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS /D > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS > DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C800-CFFF > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF /SIZE=7504 C:\DOS\POWER.EXE > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\DISKDRV.SYS > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\THINKPAD\SRAMDRV2.SYS > DEVICE=C:\ACE\ACEDRV.SYS > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF c:\TSCSI\MA460.SYS > DEVICE=C:\Q\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\PIONEER\DRD60ASP.SYS /D:MSCD000 /N:6 /S:0 /C:CDP > SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /P /E:512 > > P.S. I also hate the fact that the SRAMDRV2.SYS eats up 4 > drive letters (I J K L) when I want it to just eat up drive > E: for my 80mb drive card (which oddly enough is what ends > up being used for the card, but when I load MSCDEX I end up > having to ask for 6 contiguous drive letters starting with > M:! -- prior to doing the MSCDEX, just typing STACKER shows > that drive letters A-L are eaten up although only A C D E > mean anything (A=floppy, C=stackerized 540mb, D=host drive > uncompressed for C, E=stackerized 4o-to-80 mb PCMCIA card). > Is there any way to control what drive letters get eaten up > by SRAMDRV2.SYS -- I know it is eating up I J K L because I > put a DEVICE=PAUSE.SYS (I got such a device driver from > Compuserve from a shareware program called LACE) and I could > see that it issued the message that it was using these 4 drive > letters. Thanks again! > > -- > | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | > | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | > | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | > | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | > | ** B'days are good for health ** | > | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | > | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | > -- | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | | ** B'days are good for health ** | | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | From ???@??? Tue Oct 18 21:44:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00021 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 21:28:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10503; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 21:39:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 21:39:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iss.nus.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10493; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 21:39:11 -0400 Received: from grape.iss.nus.sg by iss.nus.sg (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22234; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 09:20:06 +0800 From: kcheong@iss.nus.sg (Kevin Cheong) Message-Id: <9410190120.AA22234@iss.nus.sg> Subject: ta for all the replies.. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 09:20:05 +0800 (SST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, i'd like to thank all who replied about "not getting mail from the list for some time". i found out recently that the mail server has been changed and there is only 1 Internet mail gateway for external mail. mail is then routed by this machine. the list previously sent mail to the machine i'm working on and not the new (only) mail server. cheers! . kevin cheong nlp program . . . . . institute of systems science . . national university of singapore . . . . . . . . . . kevin@iss.nus.sg . From ???@??? 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From: "attilla (a.) danko" Sender: "attilla (a.) danko" Message-Id: <"29204.Tue.Oct.18.23:02:15.1994"@bnr.ca>. To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu Subject: driver to make trackpoint look like a joystick? Its probably a silly request, but I'd really like to use the trackpoint as a joystick. Its pressure sensitive, just like joysticks on modern fighter aircraft. However, using it mouse-mode in flight simulator is an exercise in frustration. Is it possible to write a drive that reads the trackpoint interface and pretends to be a an analog joystick? Barring that, is there any way to use analog joystics with a laptop? (Something like a game card with a paralell connection and appropriate software?) Why you might ask? Some games like TIE fighter insist on a joystick. I'm one of those strange people who would like to play TIE fighter (and other games) on a laptop. Thanks for any info danko@bnr.ca From ???@??? Wed Oct 19 03:50:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08638 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:22:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27822; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:40:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:40:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27812; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:40:50 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA12369 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:40:44 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs30.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 02:40:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: necessary directories? I just received my tp 755cs and would like to get rid of some stuff to make room on my pathetic 170mb hard drive. I was wondering what were in these directories and If I could delete them without any consequences. 755DEMO, WELCOME, FX_INST, SCREENS, FACTORY also, am I supposed to get a reference disk? is that the utility disk? thanks From ???@??? Wed Oct 19 03:50:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14169 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 03:32:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03231; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 03:42:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 03:42:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03195; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 03:42:52 -0400 From: Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id AAA07937; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 00:39:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199410190739.AAA07937@netcom6.netcom.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Subject: cc:mail and lotus Date: 19 Oct 1994 00:32:40 Organization: spine.com Reply-To: jesse@netcom.com Well, for future reference, lotus was great. I only got passed on once, explained the situation in 1 minute, and the guy gave me their bbs number and the password to download the latest cc:mail.. Thanks for the tips! -- ________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From ???@??? Wed Oct 19 03:50:23 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 03:35:46 -0500 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16622; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 03:35:00 -0500 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa01625; 19 Oct 94 4:25 EDT Received: from uucp5.netcom.com by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa01612; 19 Oct 94 4:23 EDT Received: from ssi.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id BAA19468; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 01:07:18 -0700 Received: by ssi.syssoft.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA05188; Tue, 18 Oct 94 23:22:49 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 23:22:49 PDT From: Doug Salot Message-Id: <9410190622.AA05188@ssi.syssoft.com> To: danko@bnr.ca, ibm-tp500@virginia.edu Subject: Re: driver to make trackpoint look like a joystick? >Is it possible to write a drive that reads the >trackpoint interface and pretends to be a >an analog joystick? That's a cool idea, but I don't think it's been done. Even if somebody had written such a driver, it's not likely to work with most games. Joysticks are generally supported by game software which directly reads fixed hardware ports for the stick values. The only way to spoof this would be to write a virtual-mode driver which trapped the I/O accesses and returned values read from the trackpoint. The problem is that most interesting games these days are written using protected-mode DOS-extenders which preclude the use of such a virtual-mode technique. >Barring that, is there any way to use analog >joystics with a laptop? (Something like a >game card with a paralell connection and >appropriate software?) I think your only hope is to find a PCMCIA card with game ports, but I've never seen such a beast. You might throw the question out to the larger comp.sys.laptops crowd and see what you get. -- Doug From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19465 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:28:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25945; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:34:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:34:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25924; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:34:41 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA14129; Wed, 19 Oct 94 08:34:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 08:34:36 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410191234.AA14129@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: necessary directories? you might want to back 755DEMO up onto diskettes, or you will permanently lose it. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09240 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:54:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04706; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:40:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:40:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04693; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:40:42 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA21401; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 07:40:38 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA23896; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 07:40:37 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410191440.HAA23896@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: cc:mail and lotus To: jesse@netcom.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 07:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199410190739.AAA07937@netcom6.netcom.com> from "jesse@netcom.com" at Oct 19, 94 00:32:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Well, for future reference, lotus was great. I only got passed on once, > explained the situation in 1 minute, and the guy gave me their bbs number > and the password to download the latest cc:mail.. > > Thanks for the tips! Well Jesse, how about a few more details?! What did you tell Lotus? Did you have to provide a serial/registration number? Where did you find it? Enquiring Minds wanna know! ;) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22475 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:26:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05822; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:58:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:58:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05811; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:58:43 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id LAA09266; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:01:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:01:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: Re: necessary directories? To: Robert Dewar Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <9410191234.AA14129@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, Robert Dewar wrote: > you might want to back 755DEMO up onto diskettes, or you will permanently > lose it. And this is a bad thing in what way? Personally, I've never understood why IBM sent me a promo for a machine I'd already bought. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18104 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:27:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12965; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:29:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:29:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin.monsanto.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12947; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:29:03 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin.monsanto.com (5.65/Monsanto1.5) id AA08633; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:25:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:25:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9410191625.AA08633@tin.monsanto.com> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: "tp750@CS.UTK.EDU"@tin.monsanto.com Subject: Re: necessary directories? >> And this is a bad thing in what way? Personally, I've never understood >>why IBM sent me a promo for a machine I'd already bought. tsk tsk, what a poor poor attitude. Now you've brankrupted yourself buying this new toy, you gotta show the machine to all your buddies, and for that you need a wowee demo. What happened to the gimme generation? many 8-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))'s Simon ///************************************************************************** // /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // /// Daugerty Systems ||| 314-432-8200 office // /// St Louis ||| 314-257-8018 home // /// ||| 314-694-3207 client office // /// All opinions and thoughts are mine and not those of my employer or client / \\\************************************************************************** \\ From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26994 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:46:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14692; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:57:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:57:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14662; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:57:00 -0400 Received: from maverick.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12690; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:50:55 -0500 Received: by maverick.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA64450; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:56:24 -0500 From: wba@maverick.uhc.com (John Albindia) Message-Id: <9410191656.AA64450@maverick.uhc.com> Subject: Thanks for nothing! To: qlcts@qlc.com (qlogic) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:56:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (750) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I emailed again yesterday for help. in the mail I asked that you call me instead because I couldn't get a live person on th phone. Therefore I couldn't talk to any of the Techs. I never got a reply back . Prior to the mail , I left a message on the answering machine and a couple of times a tech called me back to try to help. The first one said it's the low density to Hi-density Adapter that I used that causing the problem. The second one said it's the cable or the card thats bad. Frankly I don't think the techs had a clue what they were talking about. On the internet Thinkpad forum, I was told that it was the PCMCIA SCSI drivers. And this makes more sense. Today I shipped the Qlogic back where it came from and I got My new SLIM-SCSI from Adaptec. Took me about 2 minutes to install and Presto! it's working. I am also using the same Low Density to hi-density adapter. I liked Qlogic better because it claims it's faster,whether it's true or not remains to be s een. and second and most important the connector is slim and it allows me to use my PCMCIA modem. On the negative side I couldnt get it to work for my 750c The Adaptec SlimSCSI Connector is ugly and bulky! it blocks the other PCMCIA slot. But it works! Its too bad Qlogic doesn't have a decent tech support because I think they have a better PCMCIA SCSI product. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07814 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 14:08:43 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15293; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:05:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:05:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15267; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:05:34 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA01341; Wed, 19 Oct 94 11:21:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 11:21:03 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410191521.AA01341@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, dwhite@shadow.net Subject: Re: necessary directories? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu heck, that's up to you, if you don't want it, chuck it. I have found it fun to have around to show off to other people, and I know at least some people who deleted it, and then wanted it back later, there is no way of doing that, I was just pointing this out! From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17110 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 14:27:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16578; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:23:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:23:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16567; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:22:49 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmhx14821; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:22:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 13:23:23 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: FW: QVC vs Windows - rec.humor.funny #5473 To: rhodes@buphy.bu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I thought this might be of some interest to my fellow TP owners. Apologies if you've seen this already. >In article , carasso@inference.com (dr. carasso) writes: >> >>I was channel surfing the other night when I came across this guy on >>QVC giving a demo of Windows on a ThinkPad 500. After a few choice >>comments from the slick salesman, I started taking notes. (I didn't >>want to divert my attention long enough to find a tape...) >> >> He started out by explaining that icons were like glimpses of what >>was behind them, and proceeded to show the Accessories "menu." He >>talked about how wonderful this deal was since the machine came with >>so much preloaded software, and then gave a brief description of each >>icon in Accessories. >> First there was "A-Write" the "word processing package" (I think he >>called it "A-Write" because the icon for Write has a fountain pen >>drawing an A...) >> Then there was Paintbrush, which allows you to "do your 3D work" he >>said. "For example, if you were designing a house, you could keep all >>the floor plans and layouts in here." >> Next was Terminal, "which lets you uhhh, uhhhh, add another uhh, >>terminal to your computer." >> He fumbled a little more and skipped Notepad, presumably because he >>couldn't make up anything good to say just after describing "A-Write." >> Next: "It has this Recorder, which helps you be a little like >>Steven Spielberg...it interfaces directly with your VHS cassetes." >> While pointing at the next icon he proudly announced that the >>machine even came with a built-in Clock. >> There was Calculator, which of course "manages your finances." >> He mentioned some of the "executive" features, like Calendar and >>Cardfile. >> He pretty much gave up at Object Packager, but saved the moment by >>kicking into a demo of the "word processing package" because "If >>you're like me, that's where your family will spend most of it's >>time." >> In his "A-Write" demo, he drooled about how versatile the software >>was. (somehow the common font picker dialog just didn't convince me to >>pick up the phone and order a ThinkPad) As proof of how useful the >>"word processing package" was, he "printed in" a sentence: "Dean shows >>hot computers on qvc." Then "Oh jeez!" he exclaimed, "It's been a >>long day folks, I mispelled my own first name!" (Dan) He proceeded to >>hit the backspace key 31 TIMES, leaving only the 'D'. He started >>retyping the rest of the sentence, but gave up midway and moved on. >>"Let me tell you something: This thing will really change your life!" >> He started babbling about "executive" features again and fired up >>the cardfile "database system." It kinda took the punch out when the >>camera zoomed back in and you saw that there were three dessert >>recipes on the screen. >> >> The stupidity went on, but mostly on other bundled things like >>"C-Mail" (I think he meant Lotus Cc:Mail) and some IBM antivirus >>utilities. >> >> An interesting note: In one screen shot it was evident that IBM had >>replaced the MS-DOS icon with a PC-DOS icon that looks almost >>identical to the OS/2 logo. Later on, while showing off the manuals, >>he held up the clearly labelled "IBM PC-DOS" book and said "...you get >>an MS-DOS manual..." >> >> >>...source unknown. >>-- >>Roger >>My thoughts represent no corporation, only myself. >>ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/carasso/www/home.html >> >>-- >>Selected by Maddi Hausmann Sojourner. MAIL your joke to funny@clarinet.com. >>Attribute the joke's source if at all possible. A Daemon will auto-reply. >> >>Jokes ABOUT major current events should be sent to topical@clarinet.com >>(ie. jokes which won't be funny if not given immediate attention.) >>Anything that is not a joke submission goes to funny-request@clarinet.com > >-- ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13814 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:31:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03231; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:14:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:14:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03193; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:13:39 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmim25233; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:13:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:12:20 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I find it strange that Apple's Powerbook and Duo series have several dock and accessory options, yet there are none for the Thinkpads. Why no third party port replicators, battery chargers, batteries(!) or AC adaptors? What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular dock may be semi-portable, but I really don't need all that..... The additional PCMCIA slots on the Port Replicator2 don't make a lot of sense to me personally. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19864 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:47:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03631; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:18:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:18:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mailgate.exnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03610; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:17:55 -0400 Received: from exnet.com (assam.exnet.com) by mailgate.exnet.com with SMTP id AA10732 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:17:28 +0100 Received: from fonix.UUCP by exnet.com with UUCP id AA26987 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:17:23 +0100 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: cc:mail advantis bundle From: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Message-Id: <2245.150.uupcb@fonix.org> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:53:00 -0100 Organization: FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, UK ~ +44 (344) 306986/7/8/9 Reply-To: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) JM>I bought my 755cs 2 months ago, and I was sure I'd never want to use JM>the cc:mail that came with it, so I didn't even bother to run the JM>disk builder thing. JM>I'm starting to think maybe I would like to give it a whirl now, but JM>I called IBM and they said there's no procedure for replacing the JM>bundled apps.. and offered to sell me another copy. Must say how lucky you lot in the States are ! In Britain, the machines don't (yet) come with cc:Mail (which I use), nor all the rest of the software . 'Though reading the memos Joshua H. sent yesterday, _maybe_ the updated range *will* do.... Regards, | Internet: patrick.whittick@fonix.org _or_ | C'serve id: Patrick | PATRICK-WHITTICK-18/417+aIUP%Ford@mcimail.com | 100117.2667 --- ...CMPQwk 1.42-10 #9237 . I made a Freudian slip at least sex times today. ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, Berkshire UK ~ +44 (0)344 306986 12 lines! | | 9 Gig - RsaNET - ILink - RIME (->FONIX) - FidoNET (2:252/171) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06276 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:34:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07914; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:17:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:17:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07903; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:17:38 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19521; Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:19:19 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:19:19 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410192219.AA19521@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Don Whiteside ' dated: Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:12:20 PDT > > I find it strange that Apple's Powerbook and Duo series have several dock > and accessory options, yet there are none for the Thinkpads. Why no third > party port replicators, battery chargers, batteries(!) or AC adaptors? > > What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular > dock may be semi-portable, but I really don't need all that..... The > additional PCMCIA slots on the Port Replicator2 don't make a lot of sense > to me personally. > What seems really strange to me is that the ThinkPad itself is impecably designed and built like a rock, but the Docking bay is garbage. If you open the cover and look at the ridiculously shaped speakers, you find a cheap half-dollar sized speaker like you'd buy at Radio Shack for $1.50. I was also genuinely annoyed when I purchased a very expensive digital storage oscilliscope ISA card and found that the power supply in the Dock I was unable to power it. Finally, the construction of the Dock I itself, as well as the locking mechanism belongs on an Acer laptop, not on an IBM ThinkPad. I guess they drew straws and the first-string engineers got to design the ThinkPad, and the summer co-ops designed the Dock I. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19085 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:01:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14327; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:17:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:17:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mfmail.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14315; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:17:00 -0400 From: Received: from ibm3172e.mfltd.co.uk by mfmail.mfltd.co.uk with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA06971; Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:15:49 GMT Message-Id: <9410200115.AA06971@mfmail.mfltd.co.uk> Received: from NWB.RSCS by NWB.MFLTD.CO.UK (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7766; Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:16:29 BST Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:16:29 BST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? *** Reply to note of 10/19/94 23:41 =============================================================== From: D. Gwyn Jones Fileshare 2 development, Products Grou DGJ at NWB, GBHFFWHF at IBMMAIL, e-mail: dgj@mfltd.co.uk Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? > What seems really strange to me is that the ThinkPad itself is >impecably designed and built like a rock, but the Docking bay is garbage. >If you open the cover and look at the ridiculously shaped speakers, you >find a cheap half-dollar sized speaker like you'd buy at Radio Shack for >$1.50. I was also genuinely annoyed when I purchased a very expensive >digital storage oscilliscope ISA card and found that the power supply in >the Dock I was unable to power it. Finally, the construction of the >Dock I itself, as well as the locking mechanism belongs on an Acer laptop, >not on an IBM ThinkPad. >I guess they drew straws and the first-string engineers got to design the >ThinkPad, and the summer co-ops designed the Dock I. I'm surprised at many of the comments I've read on this forum about the build quality of the Thinkpads. Sure, they have an intelligent modular design but this very "pieced together" architecture runs the risk of lots of fiddly bits breaking off. I know of many people who have had the little catches break on the lid so that the LCD doesn't click shut and lets face it - those little switches on the side are a pain the way they catch seperately on the LCD and the keyboard. These are a very weak link and they have a nasty tendancy to discard their springs. Surely they could have come up with more rugged seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops for instance are very solidly built. Mind you, I have to admit that despite the minor fiddly bits, I have actually dropped my laptop out of the carry case twice, and while the casing suffered some cracks and is decidedly less sturdy now, nothing has ceased to function which says a lot for the components if not the case which should surely be thicker considering the weight it contains. Regards, Gwyn. Micro Focus Ltd Tel. (44) (0)1635 565294 26 West Street Fax. (44) (0)1635 565567 Extension 5294 Newbury RG13 1JT U.K. "PROFS MAX. Seen it, done it, doing it next century. Using mail to the MAX." From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:39:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00234 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:33:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17035; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:03:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:03:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17008; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:03:34 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA12753; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:03:29 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA16628; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:00:58 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410200100.SAA16628@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 19, 94 05:12:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I find it strange that Apple's Powerbook and Duo series have several dock > and accessory options, yet there are none for the Thinkpads. Why no third > party port replicators, battery chargers, batteries(!) or AC adaptors? Anyone wanna wager that Apple Powerbooks sell more units than do IBM ThinkPads? I know the whole PC-Compatible market vastly outweighs the Macs, but I'm willing to bet that of all *individual* notebook computers on the market, Apple probably sells the most (Powerbooks). If true, this would explain the ton of 3rd party add-ons for the Powerbooks. Funny--I was just thinking it would be a good business opportunity for a person to attack the niche of 3rd party notebook products (batteries & chargers in particular) in the major-notebook market (IBM, Toshiba, etc.). I'm learning how to write business plans for my senior emphasis in entrepreneurship. Anyone want to volunteer more info on this feasibility? > What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular Me too. ;) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:39:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07509 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:52:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18547; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:27:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:27:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18536; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:27:11 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA14344; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:26:39 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA19675; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:25:18 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410200125.SAA19675@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: necessary directories? To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9410191521.AA01341@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 19, 94 11:21:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > heck, that's up to you, if you don't want it, chuck it. I have found it > fun to have around to show off to other people, and I know at least some > people who deleted it, and then wanted it back later, there is no way of > doing that, I was just pointing this out! I realize this isn't an option for many people on the list, but since the ThinkPad is a second machine for me (and I have a network between the two), I found it useful to back up the demo to a tape (or in my case, I also have a removable SyQuest disk on my desktop machine) and then delete it >from the ThinkPad disk. If you ever want it back, its a quick transfer to put it back. Meanwhile, I have it archived with other old software that I occasionally pull out for use (like old TurboTax years when I'm looking for tax info). ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:39:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16187 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:19:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21064; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:05:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:04:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21016; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:04:54 -0400 Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id TAA04423; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 19:01:54 -0700 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199410200201.TAA04423@netcom9.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 19:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9410192219.AA19521@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Oct 19, 94 03:19:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > I find it strange that Apple's Powerbook and Duo series have several dock > > and accessory options, yet there are none for the Thinkpads. Why no third > > party port replicators, battery chargers, batteries(!) or AC adaptors? > > > > What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular > > dock may be semi-portable, but I really don't need all that..... The > > additional PCMCIA slots on the Port Replicator2 don't make a lot of sense > > to me personally. > > > > What seems really strange to me is that the ThinkPad itself is > impecably designed and built like a rock, but the Docking bay is garbage. > If you open the cover and look at the ridiculously shaped speakers, you > find a cheap half-dollar sized speaker like you'd buy at Radio Shack for > $1.50. I was also genuinely annoyed when I purchased a very expensive > digital storage oscilliscope ISA card and found that the power supply in > the Dock I was unable to power it. Finally, the construction of the > Dock I itself, as well as the locking mechanism belongs on an Acer laptop, > not on an IBM ThinkPad. > > I guess they drew straws and the first-string engineers got to design the > ThinkPad, and the summer co-ops designed the Dock I. Well...actually, Toshiba was responsible for the Dock I. Don't know if that's the case for the Dock II. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:39:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00347 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 01:00:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24616; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:04:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:04:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24606; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:04:12 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA23950; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:04:10 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:04:41 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <83082.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In message Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:16:29 BST, writes: > of fiddly bits breaking off. I know of many people who have had the > little catches break on the lid so that the LCD doesn't click shut and Hmm, how old are these TPs? I hadn't noticed but after I got the screen on my TP replaced, the catches on the lid are metal. If they fall off, it's a design flaw so IBM should fix it for free. > lets face it - those little switches on the side are a pain the way they > catch seperately on the LCD and the keyboard. These are a very weak link > and they have a nasty tendancy to discard their springs. Surely they > could have come up with more rugged seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops > for instance are very solidly built. The Toshiba screen latch feels better than the TP, but a lot of the other components suck. Have you seen any Toshiba that's been through a couple years of moderate use? The covers for the battery pack and ports won't snap on, the screen latches loosens, the white color shows all the accumulated dirt :-), etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:16:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15354 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:58:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08772; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:12:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:12:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08721; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:12:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199410200712.DAA08721@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-19.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05571; Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:10:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:10:04 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: > Anyone wanna wager that Apple Powerbooks sell more units than >do IBM ThinkPads? No wager, this is a fact. Only recently have IBM and Compaq began to even touch the Apple record. Suprisingly (or not), many, many Powerbook owners are PC users regularly who just went over. > If true, this would explain the ton of 3rd party add-ons for the >Powerbooks. Still...there are just SOOO many 3rd party stuff for Powerbooks and nearly NONE for PC notebooks. I could see proportional differences but this is a landslide. >> What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular > > Me too. ;) Wouldn't we all? I think that's part of the key to the success of the Powerbooks -- built-in everything -- SCSI, sound, ethernet... The Thinkpads represent the best from the PC world, but it's still not really comparable in terms of an all-in-one unit. Let's keep our fingers crossed! --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:16:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15596 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:01:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08224; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:05:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:05:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08209; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:05:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199410200705.DAA08209@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-19.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04454; Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:02:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:02:16 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >I'm surprised at many of the comments I've read on this forum about the build >quality of the Thinkpads. Sure, they have an intelligent modular design but >this very "pieced together" architecture runs the risk of lots of fiddly bits In particular, I would cite the following as points to improve: - the stupid PCMCIA port covers (this is the WORST design I've seen) - the port cover (a bit shaky) - the legs to tilt your machine with (a bit shaky) - the strange outer material which seems to attract all sorts of nasty materials - the screen always gets the "trackpoint smudge" Add the following: - wrist-rest (everyone else has one, how hard can it be?) - SCSI port instead of the ludicrously priced dock II >seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops for instance are very solidly built. Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:16:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07850 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:13:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24370; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:14:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:14:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24360; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:14:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA20818 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:14:39 +1000 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:14:33 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199410200705.DAA08209@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting > the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! > Funny, it was the one big minus for me getting the Thinkpad. And I know of at least two other people who are currently balking at the TP because of just that. I happen to love Microsoft's little trackball. I know this isn't the best forum to ask, but I'm looking for external backup (pref HD, but if anyone has good tape experiences do let me know) for my TP. I nearly strangled a guy that kept insisting 'you just insert this ISA controller...'. He just didn't get it. And his booth was across from IBM - I was even *pointing* to a thinkpad! Anyone have any good experiences with external serial/parallel backup? (I'd appreciate knowing about the bad experiences too so I don't make the same mistake). Probably best to email me direct and save bugging everyone on the list. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27914 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:51:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03846; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:03:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:03:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03828; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:02:52 -0400 Received: from kress_pc.ciw.edu by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA18722; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:02:12 EDT Message-Id: <9410201302.AA18722@gl.ciw.edu> X-Sender: kress@gl.ciw.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:02:18 -0400 To: Rohan Davidson From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? backups, etc. Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: > >I know this isn't the best forum to ask, but I'm looking for external >backup (pref HD, but if anyone has good tape experiences do let me know) >for my TP. I nearly strangled a guy that kept insisting 'you just insert >this ISA controller...'. He just didn't get it. And his booth was >across from IBM - I was even *pointing* to a thinkpad! I got a iomega parallel port II 250Meg (compressed) recently and I think it's great. There are several other tape backups in our org. and the iomega is quieter, faster, it comes with better software, EPP support, and the installation was so easy I couldn't believe that it would actually work. The installation program doesn't even muck with your initialization files! It works great! Hard disks make poor backups, because their total capacity is always limited. With tapes you can keep buying more, and they aren't subject to power spike destruction etc. There are several better backup media available these days, but they all are substantially more expensive. I agree that the screen/keyboard latches are weak engineering. Probably the most poorly designed piece on the computer....except maybe the pcmcia covers. The silly "lock" mechanism deserves an honorable mention. I suspect that this piece of false security can be cut with a sturdy pair of scissors! -Victor ---------------------------------------------------------- Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202)686-2410 x2489 ---------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02167 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:05:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04569; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04554; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:04 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 0873; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:15:08 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 7417; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:08 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:15:07 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA24851; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:01 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9410201315.AA24851@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Randal Whittle's message of Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:00:58 -0700 (PDT) <199410200100.SAA16628@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Why no third party solutions? > Funny--I was just thinking it would be a good business opportunity >for a person to attack the niche of 3rd party notebook products (batteries >& chargers in particular) in the major-notebook market (IBM, Toshiba, etc.). actually, there is a company that specializes in batteries for PC-compatible notebooks. Of course, I can't remember their name, but they had a booth at the PC Expo in NYC this past summer. They had lots of stuff for Toshibas and others, though very little for Thinkpads. I think this is because the Thinkpad is a relatively new machine, and also because the Thinkpad battery is probably one of the most sophisticated around (and thus harder to reverse-engineer and bring to market). If I can dig up the name for this company, I will post. --andy From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14768 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:48:29 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06543; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:44:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:44:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06530; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:43:54 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmla04153; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:43:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:45:49 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >In message Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:16:29 BST, writes: > >> of fiddly bits breaking off. I know of many people who have had the >> little catches break on the lid so that the LCD doesn't click shut and > >Hmm, how old are these TPs? I hadn't noticed but after I got the screen on >my TP replaced, the catches on the lid are metal. If they fall off, it's a >design flaw so IBM should fix it for free. I have to assume since he said "on the lid" he means the actual slots, but the catches. And that would suprise me - those catches are pretty short, limiting the amount of shearing force you could get on one. I can plant my thumb on in and shove without feeling any give. >> lets face it - those little switches on the side are a pain the way they >> catch seperately on the LCD and the keyboard. These are a very weak link >> and they have a nasty tendancy to discard their springs. Surely they >> could have come up with more rugged seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops >> for instance are very solidly built. I wasn't thrilled with them at first, but I've now come to the conclusion that it's not a bad idea. I was worried about keyboard flex, but haven't had a problem. I'll admit that where the keyboard itself latches seems a little flimsy, but I haven't have any problem with it. The screen I open about 10 times a day and have done so since I got it 5 months ago. No problem with the latches yet. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17733 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:55:43 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07231; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:54:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:54:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07221; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:54:50 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmlb07206; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:54:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:59:05 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii >> If true, this would explain the ton of 3rd party add-ons for the >>Powerbooks. > >Still...there are just SOOO many 3rd party stuff for Powerbooks and >nearly NONE for PC notebooks. I could see proportional differences >but this is a landslide. That was my feeling. I have seen ads from more than six different DUO dock makers (and the Duo is _not_ as big a seller as the PB). You'd think there would be ONE TP dock maker...) ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18674 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:57:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07196; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:53:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:53:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07186; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:53:20 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmlb06742; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:53:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:50:40 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: TP Design (was: Why no third party...) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii >In particular, I would cite the following as points to improve: > > - the stupid PCMCIA port covers (this is the WORST design I've seen) I concur with this one, sort of. The two alternatives that come with the machine - totally covered or the opening for two cards - needs to add one more, at least. For a long time I had one card and the other plug was therefor open to dirt and dust. A half-opening cover would have been appreciated, or a solid plastic card would have been sufficient to do the trick. Again, the Toshiba wins on this one with a cover that opens all the way and with a smaller door for a dongle. > - the port cover (a bit shaky) I think this is a no-win situation. Anything that size is hard to make 100% stable. The 750 was a big step up on the 720 (which my boss has) with the slide for the dock plug. > - the legs to tilt your machine with (a bit shaky) Never use em so I can't say. My pad is either under a mouse pad at work on my desk or on my lap on the road. > - the strange outer material which seems to attract all sorts of nasty > materials I'll take the dirt catcher over the old smooth 720 anyday. That slick surface was hard to keep a grip on. My 750 _never_ tries to slide out of my hand. >Add the following: > > - wrist-rest (everyone else has one, how hard can it be?) I'll do without in return for the smaller size. > - SCSI port instead of the ludicrously priced dock II Amen. If you can put it on the Dock, you can put it on the Port Replicator. Who the hell needs the PR2 with the 2 extra PCMCIA slots? SCSI would have been better. Maybe a VGA->NTSC converter for on the road presentations. >Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting >the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! How anyone can be happy with a trackball (read:dirt magnet) with the trackpoint out there is beyond me. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21174 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:03:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07873; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:04:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:04:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07857; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:04:17 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmlc09793; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:04:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 10:06:18 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >actually, there is a company that specializes in batteries for >PC-compatible notebooks. Of course, I can't remember their name, but I'm all batteried out - I've got two, which with the amazinly long life of my mono 750 is all I need. I _would_ buy a 30 second battery for the adaptor port so I could change batteries w/o powering down, though. I will buy immidiately a mini-dock/port replicator with SCSI. The exact moment someone shows it to me. Really. Even if it was true blue and cost the usual $too-much. So someone - go make it. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09019 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:46:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09610; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:31:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:31:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09600; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:31:34 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08202; Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:33:44 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:33:44 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410201433.AA08202@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Mail from 'ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou)' dated: Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:02:16 -0500 >Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 > In particular, I would cite the following as points to improve: > > - the stupid PCMCIA port covers (this is the WORST design I've seen) I don't have a current Toshiba, but I do have a 4200 and the PCMCIA port has a hard plastic panel that pops off. You have to pry this thing off (usually with a pocket screwdriver) every time you move the notebook. Worst yet is the Acer PCMCIA port, the cards stick out half an inch out of the case when they're properly seated (the mechanical engineer who did this must have been on drugs). This means that you have to remove the cards from the port when you move the machine. Frankly, I move my notebook alot, and I use a modem and an Ethernet card continually -- I prefer the ThinkPad's design to anything I have seen. > Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting > the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! I definitely do NOT agree here. We've had just about every kind of laptop/notebook in our branch here, including Toshiba. We have been very unhappy with the quality of the Toshi's. For the company that manufactures most of the world's LCD's, the panels that they ship have lousy contrast, _many_ dead pixels, lousy look angle, not to mention that they don't supply the 10.4 inch diagonal that they sell to IBM. They also don't survive very long for a frequent traveler, and the ABS plastic case material degrades quickly. They've finally admitted defeat with the trackball and gone with a TrackPoint device in their Portege's. BTW, the Apple Powerbooks we have are every bit the equal to the ThinkPad in ergonomics, manufacturing quality, and display quality. ...but they don't have a 10.4" screen :) From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10175 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:48:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09642; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:33:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:33:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09632; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:33:43 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA05499; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:33:08 MDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:33:08 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410201433.AA05499@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? > I'm surprised at many of the comments I've read on this forum about the build > quality of the Thinkpads. Sure, they have an intelligent modular design but > this very "pieced together" architecture runs the risk of lots of fiddly bits > breaking off. I know of many people who have had the little catches break on > the lid so that the LCD doesn't click shut and lets face it - those little > switches on the side are a pain the way they catch seperately on the LCD and > the keyboard. These are a very weak link and they have a nasty tendancy to > discard their springs. Surely they could have come up with more rugged > seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops for instance are very solidly built. Agreed. The biggest design shortcoming in my opinion is the lousy PCMCIA slot cover which is provided for use with an installed card. Who needs a sunroof in their slot cover? This thing practically invites dirt, dust and all other environmental nasties to take up residence inside your machine. Toshiba's implementation is much better - a hinged door which covers the slot when not in use, but allows easy access for dongles, phone lines, etc. I love my TP, but there is definitely room for improvement. _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | 1st law of aerospace: Denver, CO. 80201 | "you can't polish a turd" From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10912 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:50:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10403; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:43:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:43:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10393; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:43:06 -0400 Received: from todd-dial.caenn.wisc.edu (todd-dial.engr.wisc.edu) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA139044178; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:42:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199410201442.AA139044178@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:42:57 -0500 To: Don Whiteside From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: > >I will buy immidiately a mini-dock/port replicator with SCSI. The exact >moment someone shows it to me. Really. Even if it was true blue and cost >the usual $too-much. So someone - go make it. > > Why not purchase the Replicator2 with the 2 PCMCIA slots (the one I think that you nay-sayed) and put a SCSI PCMCIA card into it?? bingo! one port replicator with SCSI! and not very expensive either. plus flexibity to provide SCSI on the road, if you need it. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25841 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 11:25:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10506; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:45:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:45:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10489; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:45:05 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08675; Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:47:13 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:47:13 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410201447.AA08675@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? > I think this is because the Thinkpad is a relatively new > machine, and also because the Thinkpad battery is probably one of the > most sophisticated around (and thus harder to reverse-engineer and > bring to market). > The reason that the ThinkPad has such great power management, and a weak explaination for why the batteries cost so much, is that they contain a microcontroller (I think it's an 8051) with voltage/current sense circuitry. I'm don't know about the Toshiba, but most of the clone notebooks have lousy power management. The Acer notebooks we have can not sense the battery level - they beep when you only have minutes left. They also cannot charge while the laptop is on. These are all things that alot of ThinkPad owners take for granted. It's like systems engineers or hockey goalies: when things work well, nobody notices, when things don't work so well, people bitch... | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:19 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29762 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 11:34:27 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA29965; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:34:36 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA02641; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:34:34 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410201634.JAA02641@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199410200705.DAA08209@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sean Chou" at Oct 20, 94 02:02:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2029 > In particular, I would cite the following as points to improve: > - the strange outer material which seems to attract all sorts of nasty > materials Having previously owned a Sharp notebook, I find it hard to complain about this. Yes, the TP surface seems to attract odd "stuff" in the air and various smudginess, but its a good, solid, coating of something-or-other (I suppose a rubber composite). The Sharp I used to own simply had a rubbery film that flaked off like old paint. It looked *terrible* and made it almost impossible for me to sell (despite the fact that it was in otherwise excellent condition) when I bought the TP. > - the screen always gets the "trackpoint smudge" Would you believe I only figured out what the wierd smudge was about 3 weeks ago?! ;) I don't think it reared its ugly head until a couple months ago--why is it suddenly touching my screen when it didn't seem to many months ago? > Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting > the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! I hate to admit this publicly, but I probably would have bought a Toshiba (I think they're a bit cheaper) over the IBM if only they had the Trackpoint back then. I *detested* the idea of an external, clip-on pointing device and that immediately eliminated items like the Texas Instruments and Toshiba (at the time). Additionally, I wasn't fond of built-in trackballs, having had one on my Sharp and finding it a little annoying. The TrackPoint must have been designed with precisely *me* in mind. ;) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:22 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01321 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 11:37:43 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA00376; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:37:51 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA03028; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:37:51 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410201637.JAA03028@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199410200712.AAA09521@chaph.usc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Oct 20, 94 02:09:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1518 > > > Anyone wanna wager that Apple Powerbooks sell more units than > >do IBM ThinkPads? > > No wager, this is a fact. Only recently have IBM and Compaq began > to even touch the Apple record. Suprisingly (or not), many, many > Powerbook owners are PC users regularly who just went over. If software were not the issue, I would have switched a long time ago. I just can't fathom the idea of trying to change all my software over (some of which *can't* be changed) to the Macintosh. It would cost *mega-dollars*--not everyone is so friendly as is WordPerfect (which will switch your license over platforms for the cost of diskettes and manuals). > > If true, this would explain the ton of 3rd party add-ons for the > >Powerbooks. > > Still...there are just SOOO many 3rd party stuff for Powerbooks and > nearly NONE for PC notebooks. I could see proportional differences > but this is a landslide. Maybe this is a function of economies of scale. Namely, there still needs to be a point of critical mass before a 3rd party company is willing to take the risk. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28858 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:35:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17866; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:27:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:27:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17856; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:27:48 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA29513; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:27:46 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA01808; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:27:45 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410201627.JAA01808@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: jokim@mit.edu Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <83082.jokim@mit.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Oct 19, 94 11:04:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Toshiba screen latch feels better than the TP, but a lot of the other > components suck. Have you seen any Toshiba that's been through a couple > years of moderate use? The covers for the battery pack and ports won't snap > on, the screen latches loosens, the white color shows all the accumulated > dirt :-), etc. I was noticing a classmate's Toshiba notebook yesterday--it was missing the door that covers the rear ports! This was one of their "Satellite" models too, so I know it can't be any older than my ThinkPad 750C (which is about 10 mos. now), since they came out about the same time. It looked to be in very good shape otherwise, but...that aspect certainly didn't impress me. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 16:01:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23054 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:25:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25727; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 14:37:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 14:37:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25717; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 14:37:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199410201837.OAA25717@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-28.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04384; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:34:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:34:57 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >Funny, it was the one big minus for me getting the Thinkpad. And >I know of at least two other people who are currently balking at the TP >because of just that. I happen to love Microsoft's little trackball. Well, they are definitely in the minority considering how popular the trackpoint II is getting (Toshiba, NEC, and nearly all minor vendors have adopted them). I suspect that they didn't like the initial feel and never gave it much of a chance. Once you use it for a while, you'll never be able to type without reaching for the TPII even if it doesn't exist. >I know this isn't the best forum to ask, but I'm looking for external >backup (pref HD, but if anyone has good tape experiences do let me know) There are a number of parallel port hard drives for a reasonable price. You could always get a SCSI PCMCIA card and then any SCSI drive could be your bud. And of course, there is the Colorado Trakker and some other parallel port tape drives. You should have any problems as long as you're sticking with DOS/Win... >Anyone have any good experiences with external serial/parallel backup? I know that a number of TP users have used the Colorado Trakker. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 16:21:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13909 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:11:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01337; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:39:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:39:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01327; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:39:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199410201939.PAA01327@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-28.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11067; Thu, 20 Oct 94 14:37:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 14:37:12 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: TP Design (was: Why no third party...) X-Mailer: > I'll take the dirt catcher over the old smooth 720 anyday. That slick >surface was hard to keep a grip on. My 750 _never_ tries to slide out of my >hand. Never thought of that. I have to agree with you now... >> - wrist-rest (everyone else has one, how hard can it be?) > I'll do without in return for the smaller size. There need not be a larger size. Observe all the space between the keyboard and the screen. All they have to do is shift the keyboard toward the screen. That's how all the other manufacturers do it... --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 16:42:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20730 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:28:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01837; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:46:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:46:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01827; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:46:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199410201946.PAA01827@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-28.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11685; Thu, 20 Oct 94 14:43:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 14:43:30 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >Why not purchase the Replicator2 with the 2 PCMCIA slots (the one I >think that you nay-sayed) and put a SCSI PCMCIA card into it?? The main problem right now is the lack of support for PCMCIA drivers for OS other than DOS. Plus that will run a hefty fee considering something like Dell Latitude's XP dock which has a SCSI-2 port and Ethernet port for $300. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 17:04:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03239 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:55:25 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03844; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:14:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:14:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03511; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:09:54 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmma19409; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:08:08 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21694; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:04:14 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA17469; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:09:21 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19489; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:06:03 PDT Message-Id: <9410202006.AA19489@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:06:02 -0700 From: Bruce Reed > There are a number of parallel port hard drives for a reasonable > price. You could always get a SCSI PCMCIA card and then any SCSI > drive could be your bud. And of course, there is the Colorado > Trakker and some other parallel port tape drives. You should have > any problems as long as you're sticking with DOS/Win... One warning here is if you want to use SCSI tape drives you better make sure the PCMCIA SCSI card you purchase comes with it's own backup software. Most of the SCSI backup products are coded with specific SCSI drivers in mind and most likely won't support your PCMCIA card. I was hoping to use Norton Backup with my new Adaptec SLIM-SCSI and an Exabyte tape drive and discovered that it only supports well-known ISA and LB SCSI cards. I'm stuck with the Trantor's TapeMate software supplied with the SlimSCSI. --Bruce From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19674 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:05:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13687; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:45:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:45:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13677; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:45:26 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22999; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:47:36 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:47:36 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410202247.AA22999@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? > > There are a number of parallel port hard drives for a reasonable > > price. You could always get a SCSI PCMCIA card and then any SCSI > > drive could be your bud. And of course, there is the Colorado > > Trakker and some other parallel port tape drives. You should have > > any problems as long as you're sticking with DOS/Win... Hey guys, you're forgetting one thing: the bandwidth of a PC's serial port is 960K bytes/sec. SCSI is 5M bytes/sec, and Fast SCSI-2 is 10M bytes/sec. Your're going to take a serious performance hit if you put a hard drive on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24218 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:20:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15208; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:19:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:19:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15198; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:19:33 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id TAA09966; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:22:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410202247.AA22999@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Robert George wrote: > Hey guys, you're forgetting one thing: the bandwidth of a PC's serial port > is 960K bytes/sec. SCSI is 5M bytes/sec, and Fast SCSI-2 is 10M bytes/sec. > Your're going to take a serious performance hit if you put a hard drive > on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. If the purpose is for archival storage, it's a similar speed to tape or floppy and w/o the swaps. I will concur though that if I was gonna spend some money, I'd do the tape unit. From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02263 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:46:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16488; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:48:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:48:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16478; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:48:42 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24870; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:50:52 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:50:52 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410202350.AA24870@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Donald A. Whiteside" ' dated: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:22:11 -0400 (EDT) > Hey guys, you're forgetting one thing: the bandwidth of a PC's serial port ^^^^^^ > on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. ^^^^^^ Oops! Sorry folks, last night was an all-nighter -- I meant _parallel_ port. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05933 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:58:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16257; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:43:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:43:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16246; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:43:40 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA09519; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:43:35 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:44:06 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <71047.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? In message Thu, 20 Oct 94 10:06:18 PDT, Don Whiteside writes: > I'm all batteried out - I've got two, which with the amazinly long life > of my mono 750 is all I need. I _would_ buy a 30 second battery for the > adaptor port so I could change batteries w/o powering down, though. If you keep using the TP, when the battery gets too low it should automatically go into suspend (unless you've disabled this feature), at which point you can swap batteries - there is an internal NiCd battery (right next to the extra memory slot) which will keep your machine alive in suspend for a few minutes. I've occasionally gotten this to work without going into suspend (i.e. my TP was running without a battery in it) but I haven't figured out how I did this. > I will buy immidiately a mini-dock/port replicator with SCSI. The exact > moment someone shows it to me. Really. Even if it was true blue and cost > the usual $too-much. So someone - go make it. I'm still don't understand WHY in this world of CD-ROM drives, extra hard drives, tape backups, scanners, etc. PC notebook manufacturers still insist on using IDE. I too would almost immediately buy a port replicator with SCSI, although I'd much rather have it built into the machine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20307 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:46:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20237; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:46:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:46:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20227; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:46:44 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA11552; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:46:41 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA12716; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:46:37 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410210046.RAA12716@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9410202006.AA19489@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Oct 20, 94 01:06:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > One warning here is if you want to use SCSI tape drives you better > make sure the PCMCIA SCSI card you purchase comes with it's own backup > software. Most of the SCSI backup products are coded with specific SCSI > drivers in mind and most likely won't support your PCMCIA card. I was > hoping to use Norton Backup with my new Adaptec SLIM-SCSI and an Exabyte > tape drive and discovered that it only supports well-known ISA and LB SCSI > cards. I'm stuck with the Trantor's TapeMate software supplied with > the SlimSCSI. > > --Bruce Doesn't the Slim SCSI come with Adaptec drivers? Presumably, the whole industry pretty much supports those... ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04400 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:31:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22058; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:16:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:16:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22040; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:16:45 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmmv14455; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:16:36 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22692; Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:12:40 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA18896; Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:17:46 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24155; Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:14:26 PDT Message-Id: <9410210114.AA24155@opus.objy.com> To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Oct 94 17:46:36 PDT." <199410210046.RAA12716@aludra.usc.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:14:25 -0700 From: Bruce Reed > Doesn't the Slim SCSI come with Adaptec drivers? Presumably, > the whole industry pretty much supports those... The SlimSCSI is a Trantor device with an Adaptec name. The drivers are derivations of the Trantor drivers, so if you're software supports the Trantor line you're probably okay. The TapeMate software I'm using is part of the SCSIworks package distributed will all Trantor devices. Now if I could just get an OS/2 driver I'd be happy. Adaptec claims the problem is a lack of native OS/2 card and socket services. I said "you ever heard of WARP 3?" Their reply was, "well, it hasn't shipped yet." Surprising that the leader in PC SCSI is behind while the upstart Qlogic has been testing beta drivers for two months now. Maybe if enough people scream at 'em they'll get off their butts. --Bruce From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16022 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:14:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25188; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25172; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:42 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA02292 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:37 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.32.pmax.ul4.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.pcs3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: ethernet pcmcia card I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine any suggestions? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sang Kim I want the world to know that I sk6k@andrew.cmu.edu LOVE Alexis Hayes, the babe from University of Denver. (wow, what a knockout!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 12:52:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28286 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:14:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01173; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01136; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199410210935.FAA01136@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-11.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07400; Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:52:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:52:33 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >> on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. > ^^^^^^ >Oops! Sorry folks, last night was an all-nighter -- I meant _parallel_ port. Oops! Then cancel my last message! :) EPP can exceed rates of 600Kps. It can easily go into 1Mps at least but I'm not sure what the limit is... --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 12:53:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28388 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:16:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01027; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:34:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:34:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from icebox.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01008; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:34:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfid@localhost) by icebox.mfltd.co.uk (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA17094 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:40:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199410210840.JAA17094@icebox.mfltd.co.uk> From: jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:40:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: Sang H Kim's note of Oct 20, 10:05pm To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card Sang H Kim wrote: > I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine > any suggestions? I'm using a Portable Add-ons PCMCIA card which supports both 10base2 and 10baseT. James. -- "Yield to temptation -- | it may not pass your way again" | jfid@mfltd.co.uk | - Lazarus Long | James Fidell From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 12:53:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28407 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:16:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01137; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01096; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199410210935.FAA01096@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-11.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06940; Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:45:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:45:55 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >> > There are a number of parallel port hard drives for a reasonable >Your're going to take a serious performance hit if you put a hard drive >on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. Actually, we're (or I) am talking about parallel port hard drives, which can reach access times of 12ms or better and decent thoroughput under EPP. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:27 1994 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22167 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 13:47:33 -0500 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18746; Fri, 21 Oct 94 11:49:55 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 11:49:55 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410211849.AA18746@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 8/1551 Re: Why Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Mail from 'ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou)' dated: Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:45:55 -0500 Cc: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu > >Your're going to take a serious performance hit if you put a hard drive > >on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. > > Actually, we're (or I) am talking about parallel port hard drives, > which can reach access times of 12ms or better and decent thoroughput > under EPP. You're missing the point. If you have a hard disk drive with a reasonably fast throughput you are an order of magnitude faster than the bandwidth of the parallel port on the ThinkPad. The acess (average seek) time of the drive has nothing to do with any of this. Basically you are going to have a drive which is sitting around waiting for it's data to be transferred over a very small bottleneck. Consider the Sigma Data drives which have a buffer-to-host transfer rate of 6 _Megabytes_ /sec trying to transfer data over the 960 _Kilobytes_ /sec of the EPP port. You essentially have a 600% overhead on all traffic going to the ThinkPad. BTW, I'm a little dubious of the transfer rates over a PCMCIA SCSI interface as well. The PCMCIA interface operates at 25Mhz, which is plenty fast, but there's an awful lot of software overhead to get through the socket services, card services, card drivers... Does anyone have any throughput statistics of one of the PCMCIA SCSI cards? | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24102 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:57:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10350; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:37:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:37:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10340; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:37:36 -0400 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA11006; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:33:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Arie Litman Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card (fwd) To: TP-750 List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Im using Xircom, had no problem with it... OS/2 support stinks, but otherwise it is ok for windows.... Arie Litman (408) 324-4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Randal Whittle To: Sang H Kim Cc: TP Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card > I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine > any suggestions? I like my 3Com Etherlink III card. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24697 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:58:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07991; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:08:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:08:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07981; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:08:49 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA16235; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:47 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id LAA04798; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:43 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410211808.LAA04798@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card To: sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sang H Kim) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Sang H Kim" at Oct 20, 94 10:05:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine > any suggestions? I like my 3Com Etherlink III card. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12201 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:40:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12994; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:15:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:14:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bsdi.nucleus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12980; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:14:46 -0400 Received: (twkary@localhost) by bsdi.nucleus.com (8.6.8.1/8.6.5) id MAA02828; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:49:14 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:49:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Tim Kary To: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: <71047.jokim@mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > If you keep using the TP, when the battery gets too low it should > automatically go into suspend (unless you've disabled this feature), at > which point you can swap batteries - there is an internal NiCd battery > (right next to the extra memory slot) which will keep your machine alive in > suspend for a few minutes. I've occasionally gotten this to work without > going into suspend (i.e. my TP was running without a battery in it) but I > haven't figured out how I did this. John: This ability to swap out the batteries on the fly is not only helpful, but is an "as advertised" feature of the TP750 according to the Users Manual. I've used it a few times when I just couldn't stop everything to replace a battery pack. Tim Kary --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Kary twkary@nucleus.com |"Imagination is more 403-262-7021 | important than knowledge." 403-262-1392 - FAX | - Albert Einstein --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20342 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 16:01:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15489; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:44:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:44:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15469; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:44:31 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id PAA14549; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:43:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199410211943.PAA14549@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sang H Kim Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:00 EDT." Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:43:06 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine > any suggestions? The IBM card works fine for me. I normally use 10base2, but I have a 10baseT MAU that I use for when I go on the road and plug into someone's net. For me it's nice to have both MAUs. One disadvantage of the IBM card is that the MAUs (especially for 10base2) are rather large. For portability's sake I want everything to be as small as possible. I understand IBM has re-designed theirs since I got my card, but I haven't seen them. My office mate has a different card for his compaq aero that has a very small MAU, which he likes very much. Performance of all of these cards is probably about the same, if for no other reason than most of them use the same chips inside. (However, that doesn't mean they will all run the same software...there are tiny differences like how the attribute registers are mapped into pcmcia attribute memory space, and where the ethernet address rom lives.) So besides size, another important difference between cards has to do with the driver software that they supply and how well it works on your system. But since I don't use DOS, Windows, or OS/2, I can't comment on the driver software for any of the cards I've seen. Keith From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03773 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 20:43:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25946; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:14:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:14:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25936; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:14:25 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA27051; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 17:14:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 17:14:20 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: 8/1551 Re: Why Re: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410211849.AA18746@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Oct 1994, Robert George wrote: > Consider the Sigma Data drives which have a buffer-to-host transfer rate ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > of 6 _Megabytes_ /sec trying to transfer data over the 960 _Kilobytes_ /sec > of the EPP port. You essentially have a 600% overhead on all traffic > going to the ThinkPad. Buffer-to-host transfer rate, not disk-to-host transfer rate. Most drives can't read off the disk faster than 1MB/sec. So you'll only suffer the 600% overhead for a fraction of a second. Unless of course if you've got a 6MB cache built into the hard drive, in which case it could last a full second. The advantage of SCSI's bandwidth is more apparent when you have multiple devices hanging off the same SCSI chain. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15111 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:20:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07773; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07763; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:14 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA11807 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:09 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: CD ROM drives and scsi interface If I want to get a 2x speed CD-ROM drive connected to a PCMCIA SCSI card, what kind of SCSI card should I get? I have tp 755Cs thanks in advance. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sang Kim I want the world to know that I sk6k@andrew.cmu.edu LOVE Alexis Hayes, the babe from University of Denver. (wow, what a knockout!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:46:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27715 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:49:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27504; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:35:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:35:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27473; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:35:24 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxnbi24489; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:35:15 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01209; Mon, 24 Oct 94 16:31:07 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02094; Mon, 24 Oct 94 16:36:31 PDT Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14410; Mon, 24 Oct 94 16:32:57 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 16:32:57 PDT From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9410242332.AA14410@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Video wierdness under OS/2 WARP I've just upgraded my 750 from OS/2 2.1 to OS/2 WARP Beta II. So far I'm pretty impressed. It's got integrated PCMCIA (with EzPlay renamed to "Play At Will"), ThinkPad audio, and ThinkPad video. The auto-configurator seems to recognize more cards and both my ATT KIT modem and my 3COM EtherlinkIII are now identified. The problem is, I've have this nasty video anomaly that I get when I run full-screen WinOS2. As soon as it enters graphics mode an inch of the top and bottom of the screen are trashed and appear to be sandwiched together into a single image. The bottom portion is deliminted by a heavy line. Looks the wrong Windows display driver is being used and forcing it into some useless video mode. The problem persists when switching back to the OS/2 desktop and full-screen text sessions as well. About all I can do is reboot. Anyone OS/2 users out there seen this? I'd reinstall the ThinkPad supplied video drivers, but I assume the WARP drivers replace them. I've checked my system.ini file, but all of the display driver statements are pointing to the OS/2 Thinkpad drivers. If anyone has this working and wouldn't mind sending me a copy of your system.ini file that might help. Thanks, --Bruce From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 13:35:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09073 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:07:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27522; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:15:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:15:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27505; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:15:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199410250715.DAA27505@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-22.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15149; Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:12:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:12:50 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Hard drive on the EPP X-Mailer: >You're missing the point. If you have a hard disk drive with a reasonably >fast throughput you are an order of magnitude faster than the bandwidth of >the parallel port on the ThinkPad. The acess (average seek) time of the >drive has nothing to do with any of this. Basically you are going to have >a drive which is sitting around waiting for it's data to be transferred over >a very small bottleneck. I understand the concept of thoroughput. I guess I'm wondering whether or not that's the real issue here. I don't know how often you are using contiguous files that are large enough to notice a big difference in thoroughput. Now, while I agree that EPP isn't the best way, I do think it's not bad, especially if you are intelligent about the way you store data. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 13:35:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09415 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:10:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29036; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:31:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:31:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29026; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:31:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199410250731.DAA29026@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-22.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17113; Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:28:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:28:38 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Video wierdness under OS/2 WARP X-Mailer: >I've just upgraded my 750 from OS/2 2.1 to OS/2 WARP Beta II. I had Warp Beta II for quite a while on a TP750C with no problems...however, I did NOT include support for Windows. >is deliminted by a heavy line. Looks the wrong Windows display >driver is being used and forcing it into some useless video mode. I think you've hit it on the nail. Try manually changing the Windows drivers. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 13:35:03 1994 Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10267 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:21:04 -0500 Received: from [130.235.41.20] (saturnus-10.efd.lth.se) by kobra.efd.lth.se with smtp (perl jhmail 0.20) (rfc1413: f91el@saturnus-10.efd.lth.se) id 2eacbfd8_6cd1_1 ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:20:40 MET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:20:36 +0100 From: Erik Lindahl To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, f91el@efd.lth.se In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:28:38 EST." <199410250731.DAA29026@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Video wierdness under OS/2 WARP I know of another problem with the Warp betas and ThinkPads; apparently the external higher resolutions are NOT supported! I noticed this myself on the Warp II, and a number of people have reported that this is not fixed in the gamma pre-release! Let's just hope that they fix it in GA, or at least produce a TP-bugfix soon after release.... (Hm.. IBM make wonderful machines; but it would be i good idea to make their own OS work on their own machines...) BTW, i read a folder the other day TP 755 CE/CD and the new TFT-screen. They specify that it can display up to 65,536 colours. Has anybody tested the new drivers with our old machines? (Is the video chip the same? It would be nice to have more colours, even if it's only on ext. screen?) Regards, Erik From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 14:47:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07861 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:37:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07830; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hing.LCS.MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07820; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:32 -0400 Received: (from wilson@localhost) by hing.LCS.MIT.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA11469; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:24 -0400 From: "Wilson J. Chan" Message-Id: <199410251601.MAA11469@hing.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 750C 12M RAM 170 HD, Ethernet Forsale Reply-To: wilson@hing.LCS.MIT.EDU Address: 4580 Darcelle Drive, Union City, CA 94587 Office Phone: (510) 441-0218 Hi, I'm interested in selling my 10-month-old ThinkPad 750C. It has the following features: 33MHz Intel 486SL Processor with built-in FPU 12 MB of Main Memory 170 MB of Hard Disk 10.4" Active Matrix TFT Screen IBM 10-Base-T Ethernet Card Perfect Keyboard (no paint fade) DOS and Windows Installed All original packaging I'll throw in a Port-brand carrying case ($90 value) Asking: $3750 or best offer --Wilson Chan wilson@mit.edu 510-441-0218 From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13466 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:48:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17610; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:25:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:25:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17555; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:25:11 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA25351; Tue, 25 Oct 94 14:24:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 14:24:56 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410251824.AA25351@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, wilson@hing.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: 750C 12M RAM 170 HD, Ethernet Forsale $3750 for a used 33MHz 750C is much too high. For $3295 you can buy a new 50MHz 755C with a 170 meg drive, adding the extra 8MB of memory and ethernet card would bring the cost of a new 755C comparably equipped to about the same price. I would have thought that $2500 was a more realistic price. One of the troubles with THinkpads is that they are (a) expensive and (b) because of frequent upgrades, lose their value very quickly. Incidentally the thinkpad price I quote is from EXEL in NYC, 1-800-486-EXEL. There are actually three or four places advertising immediate availability of 755C's in NYC at pretty reasonable prices (the EXEL price for a 75MHz 755C wutg a 340 meg drive is $5295, and New Tech (1-800-554-9747) is advertising immediate availability of 75MHz 755C's with 540 meg drives for $5595. From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25165 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:13:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25220; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:03:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:03:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25208; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:03:55 -0400 Received: from top.cis.syr.EDU by lohengrin.top.cis.syr.edu id aa03012; 25 Oct 94 16:01 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:01:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Yen-Chiun Tseng Subject: Re: 750C 12M RAM 170 HD, Ethernet Forsale To: ThinkPad750 Mailing List In-Reply-To: <9410251824.AA25351@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Oct 1994, Robert Dewar wrote: > One of the troubles with THinkpads is that they are (a) expensive and (b) > because of frequent upgrades, lose their value very quickly. 100% agree! From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00314 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:24:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24394; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:53:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:53:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24382; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:53:21 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA29436; Tue, 25 Oct 94 15:53:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 15:53:04 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410251953.AA29436@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Memory options from IBM actually $2,129 sounds pretty good to me for a 32MB card. Sure you can do a little better mail order ($1890 is the best price I have seen so far), but that's not much difference for getting the official IBM supported card (which always has the advantage that it is clear who to blame if it does not work!) From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06162 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:36:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19064; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18977; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:00 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA25973 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:43:45 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07728; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:35:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Memory options from IBM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nothing spectacular in this announcement except that IBM came out with their own 32MB Dram card. Prices are on the high side. The only surprising thing is mention of a "Thinkpad Power Series 850" notebook. Does anyone know anything about this as I don't recall it ever being announced? Presumably, it's a Power PC with all the thinkpad features. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu ----------------------- Options by IBM: Memory Products Announced on October 25, 1994 PRODUCT Announcement 194-378 Under the Options(TM) by IBM(R) brand, 13 memory upgrade products are introduced as part of IBM's family of low-power (LP) memory expansion options. Designed on a convenient and small form factor, these memory upgrades provide a logical growth path for system memory upgrades in IBM laptop systems and portables with compatible slots. With larger and more powerful operating systems and applications becoming available, the upgrades provide you with cost-effective solutions. If only one upgrade slot is available on the system, you may want to evaluate upgrading to the maximum based on immediate requirements and projected future requirements. The IBM IC (integrated circuit) DRAM (direct random access memory) cards are credit card-sized memory expansion options designed for ThinkPad(R) and other laptop or portable computer applications. Because of their durability, ease of use, ease of installation, and ease of handling, the cards are also used in selected PowerPC(TM) applications. The SO (small outline) DIMMS (dual inline memory modules) are also memory expansion options for ThinkPad systems and are packaged in a small, space-saving card. These "SIMM-like" cards are only 2.35-inches long and 1- to 1.25-inches high with 72-pin gold-plated contacts arranged in a staggered dual row. Single Part Unit Description Number Price IC DRAM Memory 4MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7232 $ 329 8MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7233 615 16MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7234 1,105 4MB (PPS)* - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7238 329 8MB (PPS) - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7241 615 16MB (PPS) - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7265 1,105 32MB (PPS) - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7269 2,129 4MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Non-Parity 92G7236 295 8MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Non-Parity 92G7237 589 16MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Non-Parity 92G7424 1,035 SO DIMM Memory 4MB Upgrade - 70ns 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7259 299 8MB Upgrade - 70ns 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7261 599 16MB Upgrade - 70ns 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7263 1,095 Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1994 (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation * PowerPC Personal Systems IN BRIEF . . . +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | For ThinkPad 700/720/750/755, ThinkPad Power Series 850, and | | PC Power Series 600 systems: | | | | o 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, and 32MB IC DRAMS 5 volts parity | | | | For ThinkPad 360 systems: | | | | o 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB IC DRAMS 5 volts non-parity | | | | For other compatible ThinkPad 3.3 volt non-parity systems: | | | | o 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB SO DIMMS 3.3 volts non-parity | | | | For technical support: | | | | o Call the HelpCenter(R) (800-426-7299) | | or | | o Request technical information via IBM Faxback (800-426-3395). | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ IBM 4MB, 8MB, AND 16MB IC DRAM MEMORY -- 70NS 5V LP PARITY (92G7232, 92G7233, 92G7234) IN BRIEF... o 4MB: 70ns (1M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 8MB: 70ns (2M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 16MB: 70ns (4M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity The IBM 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB (megabyte) IC DRAM Memory Cards offer low-power memory expansion to laptop and desktop systems. These credit card-sized IC DRAM cards expand the internal memory of a laptop/desktop by 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB simply by inserting them into an IC DRAM slot. Expanded DRAM capabilities enable higher application performance and more efficient system operation. These IC DRAM cards are part of an IBM family of low-power memory expansion cards that support low-power applications and aid in the extension of a laptop battery's operational life between recharges. The cards are packaged in IBM's durable laser-welded, stainless steel package, and are quick and convenient to install. The 4MB and 8MB IC DRAM upgrade cards can be installed on ThinkPad 700, 720, 750, and 755 systems. The 16MB IC DRAM upgrade card can be installed on IBM ThinkPad 750 and 755 systems. The cards support parity, operate at 5 volts low-power with an access time of 70ns, and are packaged in 88-pin credit card-sized durable, stainless steel cards. They are designed to function in systems with slots conforming to the JEIDA (Japan Electrical Industry Development Association)/JEDEC (Joint Electronic Device Engineering Council) industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards. Note: LP = Low-Power Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1995 Technical Information Physical Specifications: o Width: 54.1 mm (2.13 in.) o Depth: 3.5 mm (.138 in.) o Length: 85.8 mm (3.38 in.) o Weight: .042 kg (1.5 oz) Operating Environment: o Temperature: 0(degs)C to 55(degs)C (32(degs)F to 131(degs) F) o Relative humidity: 95% maximum o Operating current: 1120mA maximum for the 4MB and 8MB cards; 1280mA maximum for the 16MB card Agency Approvals: Meets required operating criteria. Original Country of Origin: Assembled in Canada. Components may be manufactured in the U.S.A., Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, or Ireland. Note: This may vary through the life of the product. Hardware Requirements -- IBM Systems: The IBM 4MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#2120, 92G7232) and 8MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#2121, 92G7233) are supported on the following platforms: Machine Manufacturer Type Model ThinkPad 700/720 9552 (All) 300, 301, 307, 308 30B, 30J ThinkPad 750 9545 (All) 006, 008, 206, 208, 306, 308, 40C, 40E ThinkPad 755 9545 (All) E0C, E0E, E0G, K0C, K0E, K0G, F0C, F0E, F0G, L0C, L0E, L0G, 6BC, 6BD, 6BE, 7BC, 7BD, 7BE, 9BD, 9BE PS/2(R) CL57SX Laptop 8554 045 The IBM 16MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#2122, 92G7234) is supported on the following platforms: Machine Manufacturer Type Model ThinkPad 750 9545 (All) 006, 008, 206, 208, 306, 308, 40C, 40E ThinkPad 755 9545 (All) E0C, E0E, E0G, K0C, K0E, K0G, F0C, F0E, F0G, L0C, L0E, L0G, 6BC, 6BD, 6BE, 7BC, 7BD, 7BE, 9BD, 9BE Hardware Requirements -- Non-IBM Systems: o 70ns o Organization - 4MB - 1M x 36 bits - 8MB - 2M x 36 bits - 16MB - 4M x 36 bits o Parity 5 volts o 88-pin IC DRAM sockets compatible with the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards Software Requirements: o IBM DOS 5.2, or later, and Windows 3.1 o DOS 5.0, or later, and Windows 3.1 o OS/2(R) 1.3, or later Compatibility: The 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB cards are designed for IBM laptop and desktop systems that support the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard for IC DRAM cards and the specifications as outlined in the Hardware Requirements section. Note: Some configurations may not be compatible. Limitations: An open compatible slot as specified in the Hardware Requirements section is required. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: 30 minutes (average) Packaging: One box Shipment Group o IBM 4MB, 8MB or 16MB IC DRAM Upgrade 70ns 5v LP Parity o Installation and User's Guide o Registration Card Note: An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (S83G-8275) is available in support of these products. Security, Auditability and Control These products use the security and auditability features of the host hardware, software, and/or application software. Terms and Conditions Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: Three years Warranty Service: Customer Carry-in Exchange (CCE) Customer Setup: Yes All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information During the warranty period, technical support is available (800-426-7299) 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for answering any questions about your new IBM option. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. Charges Single Part Unit Description Number Price* 4MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7232 $ 329 8MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7233 615 16MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7234 1,105 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. IBM 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, AND 32MB IC DRAM MEMORY -- 70NS 5V LP PARITY (92G7238, 92G7241, 92G9265, 92G7269) IN BRIEF... o 4MB: 70ns (1M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 8MB: 70ns (2M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 16MB: 70ns (4M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 32MB: 70ns (8M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity The IBM 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, or 32MB (megabyte) IC DRAM Cards offer low-power memory expansion to laptop and desktop systems. These credit card-sized IC DRAM cards expand the internal memory of a laptop/desktop by 4MB. 8MB, 16MB, or 32MB simply by inserting them into an IC DRAM slot. Expanded DRAM capabilities enable higher application performance and more efficient system operation. These IC DRAM cards are part of an IBM family of low-power memory expansion cards that support low-power applications and aid in the extension of a laptop battery's operational life between recharges. The cards are packaged in IBM's durable, laser-welded, stainless steel package, and are quick and convenient to install. The 4MB and 8MB IC DRAM upgrade cards can be installed on IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 and IBM PC Power Series 600 systems. The 16MB and 32MB IC DRAM upgrade cards can be installed on IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 systems. The cards support parity, operate at 5 volts low-power with an access time of 70ns, and are packaged in 88-pin credit card-sized durable, stainless steel cards. They are designed to function in systems with slots conforming to the JEIDA (Japan Electrical Industry Development Association)/JEDEC (Joint Electronic Device Engineering Council) industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards. Note: LP = Low-Power Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1995 Technical Information Physical Specifications: o Width: 54.1 mm (2.13 in.) o Depth: 3.5 mm (.138 in.) o Length: 85.8 mm (3.38 in.) o Weight: .042 kg (1.5 oz) Operating Environment: o Temperature: 0(degs)C to 55(degs)C (32(degs)F to 131(degs)F) o Relative humidity: 95% maximum o Operating current: 1000mA maximum Agency Approvals: Meets required operating criteria. Original Country of Origin: Assembled in Canada. Components may be manufactured in the U.S.A., Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, or Ireland. Note: This may vary through the life of the product Hardware Requirements -- IBM Systems: The IBM 4MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#4098, 92G7238) and IBM 8MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#4099, 92G7241) are supported on all models of the following IBM platforms/models: Machine Manufacturer Type From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06162 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:36:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19064; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18977; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:00 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA25973 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:43:45 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07728; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:35:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Memory options from IBM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ThinkPad Power Series 850 6020 PC Power Series 600 6030 The IBM 16MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#3986, 92G7265) and IBM 32MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v Low-Power, Parity (#3987, 92G7269) are supported on all models of the following IBM platforms/models: Machine Manufacturer Type ThinkPad Power Series 8506020 Hardware Requirements -- Non-IBM Systems: o 70ns o Organization - 4MB - 1M x 36 bits - 8MB - 2M x 36 bits - 16MB - 4M x 36 bits - 32MB - 8M x 36 bits o Parity 5 volts o 88-pin IC DRAM sockets compatible with the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards Software Requirements: o IBM DOS 5.2, or later, and Windows 3.1 o MS DOS 5.0, or later, and Windows 3.1 o IBM OS/2 1.3, or later Compatibility: These products have been designed for IBM laptop and desktop systems that support the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard for IC DRAM cards and the specifications as outlined in the Hardware Requirements section. Note: Some configurations may not be compatible. Limitations: An open compatible slot as specified in the Hardware Requirements section is required. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: 30 minutes (average) Packaging: One box Shipment Group o IBM 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, or 32MB IC DRAM Upgrade 70ns 5v LP Parity o Installation and User's Guide o Registration Card Note: An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (S83G-8275) is available in support of these products. Security, Auditability and Control These products use the security and auditability features of the host hardware, software, and/or application software. Terms and Conditions Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: Three years Warranty Service: Customer Carry-in Exchange (CCE) Customer Setup: Yes All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information During the warranty period, technical support is available (800-426-7299) 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for answering any questions about your new IBM option. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. Charges Single Part Unit Description Number Price* 4MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7238 $ 329 8MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7241 615 16MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7265 1,105 32MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7269 2,129 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. IBM 4MB, 8MB, AND 16MB IC DRAM MEMORY -- 70NS 5V LP NON-PARITY (92G7236, 92G7237, 92G7424) IN BRIEF... o 4MB: 70ns (1M x 32) 88-pin 5v non-parity o 8MB: 70ns (2M x 32) 88-pin 5v non-parity o 16MB: 70ns (4M x 32) 88-pin 5v non-parity The IBM 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB (megabyte) IC DRAM Cards offer low-power memory expansion to laptop and desktop systems. These credit card-sized IC DRAM cards expand the internal memory of a laptop/desktop by 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB simply by inserting them into an IC DRAM slot. Expanded DRAM capabilities enable higher application performance and more efficient system operation. These IC DRAM cards are part of an IBM family of low-power memory expansion cards that support low-power applications and aid in the extension of a laptop battery's operational life between recharges. The cards are packaged in IBM's durable, laser-welded, stainless steel package, and are quick and convenient to install. These IC DRAM upgrade cards can be installed on ThinkPad 360 systems. The cards support non-parity, operate at 5 volts low-power with an access time of 70ns, and are packaged in 88-pin credit card-sized durable, stainless steel cards. They are designed to function in systems with slots conforming to the JEIDA (Japan Electrical Industry Development Association)/JEDEC (Joint Electronic Device Engineering Council) industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards. Note: LP = Low-Power Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1994 Technical Information Physical Specifications: o Width: 54.1 mm (2.13 in.) o Depth: 3.5 mm (.138 in.) o Length: 85.8 mm (3.38 in.) o Weight: .042 kg (1.5 oz) Operating Environment: o Temperature: 0(degs)C to 55(degs)C (32(degs)F to 131(degs)F) o Relative humidity: 95% maximum o Operating current: 800mA maximum for 4MB and 8MB; 880mA maximum for 16MB Agency Approvals: Meets required operating criteria. Original Country of Origin: Assembled in Canada. Components may be manufactured in the U.S.A., Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, or Ireland. Note: This may vary through the life of the product. Hardware Requirements -- IBM Systems: The IBM 4MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Non-Parity (#2182, 92G7236), IBM 8MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Non-Parity (#2184, 92G7237), and IBM 16MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Non-Parity (#2181, 92G7424), are supported on the following platforms: Machine Manufacturer Type Model ThinkPad 360 2620 (All) 00D, 00F, 20D, 20F, 30D, 30F, 50D, 50F, 80D, 80F, 80G, 90D, 90F, 90G Hardware Requirements -- Non-IBM Systems: o 70ns o Organization - 4MB - 1M x 32 bits - 8MB - 2M x 32 bits - 16MB - 4M x 32 bits o Non-parity 5 volts o 88-pin IC DRAM sockets compatible with the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards Software Requirements: o IBM DOS 5.2, or later, and Windows 3.1 o MS DOS 5.0, or later, and Windows 3.1 o IBM OS/2 1.3, or later Compatibility: These products are designed for IBM laptop systems that support the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard for IC DRAM cards and the specifications as outlined in the Hardware Requirements section. Note: Some configurations may not be compatible. Limitations: An open compatible slot as specified in the Hardware Requirements section is required. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: 30 minutes (average) Packaging: One box Shipment Group o IBM 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB IC DRAM Upgrade 70ns 5v LP Non-Parity o Installation and User's Guide o Registration Card Note: An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (S83G-8275) is available in support of these products. Security, Auditability, and Control These products use the security and auditability features of the host hardware, software, and/or application software. Terms and Conditions Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: Three years Warranty Service: Customer Carry-in Exchange (CCE) Customer Setup: Yes All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information During the warranty period, technical support is available (800-426-7299) 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for answering any questions about your new IBM option. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. Charges Single Part Unit Description Number Price* 4MB IC DRAM 5v Non-Parity 92G7236 $ 295 8MB IC DRAM 5v Non-Parity 92G7237 589 16MB IC DRAM 5v Non-Parity 92G7424 1,035 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. IBM 4MB, 8MB, AND 16MB SO DIMM MEMORY -- 70NS 3.3V LP NON-PARITY (92G7259, 92G7261, 92G7263) IN BRIEF... o 4MB: 70ns (1M x 32) 72-pin 3.3v non-parity o 8MB: 70ns (2M x 32) 72-pin 3.3v non-parity o 16MB: 70ns (4M x 32) 72-pin 3.3v non-parity The IBM 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB (megabyte) SO DIMM Upgrade Cards offer low-power memory expansion to laptop systems. These small outline, space-saving, 72-pin DIMM cards expand the internal memory of a laptop by 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB simply by inserting them into a SO DIMM slot. Expanded memory capabilities enable higher application performance and more efficient system operation. These SO DIMM cards are part of an IBM family of low-power memory expansion cards that support low-power applications and aid in the extension of a laptop battery's operational life between recharges. The cards are packaged in a small form approximately 2.35-inches long by 1-inch high with 72-pin gold plated contacts on a staggered dual row. The 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB SO DIMM upgrade cards can be installed on compatible ThinkPad systems. The cards support non-parity, operate at 3.3 volts low-power with an access time of 70ns, and are packaged on 72-pin small outline, space-saving cards. They are designed to function in systems that support 16-, 32-, and 64-bit applications. Note: LP = Low-Power Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1994 Technical Information Physical Specifications: o Width: 25.4 mm (1 in.) o Depth: 3.8 mm (.15 in.) o Length: 59.69 mm (2.35 in.) Operating Environment: o Temperature: 0(degs)C to 55(degs)C (32(degs)F to 131(degs)F) o Relative humidity: 95% maximum o Operating current: 640mA maximum for 4MB, 170mA maximum for 8MB, and 600mA maximum for 16MB Agency Approvals: Meets required operating criteria. Original Country of Origin: Assembled in Canada. Components may be manufactured in the U.S.A., Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, or Ireland. Note: This may vary through the life of the product. Hardware Requirements: The IBM 4MB SO DIMM Card 70ns, 72-pin, 3.3v LP Non-Parity (#3975, 92G7259) is supported on IBM ThinkPad Systems compatible with the following specifications: o 70ns o 1M x 32 bits organization o Non-parity 3.3 volts o 72-pin SO DIMM sockets compatible with staggered dual row mating The IBM 8MB SO DIMM Card 70ns, 72-pin, 3.3v LP Non-Parity (#3976, 92G7261) is supported on IBM ThinkPad Systems compatible with the following specifications: o 70ns o 2M x 32 bits organization o Non-parity 3.3 volts o 72-pin SO DIMM sockets compatible with the staggered dual row mating The IBM 16MB SO DIMM Card 70ns, 72-pin, 3.3v LP Non-Parity (#3977, 92G7263) is supported on IBM ThinkPad Systems compatible with the following specifications: o 70ns o 4M x 32 bits organization o Non-parity 3.3 volts o 72-pin SO DIMM sockets compatible with staggered dual row mating Compatibility: These products have been designed for IBM laptop systems that support SO DIMM cards and the specifications as outlined in the Hardware Requirements section. Note: Some configurations may not be compatible. Software Requirements: o IBM DOS 5.2, or later, and Windows 3.1 o MS DOS 5.0, or later, and Windows 3.1 o IBM OS/2 1.3, or later Limitations: An open compatible slot as specified in the Hardware Requirements section is required. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: 30 minutes (average) Packaging: One box Shipment Group o IBM 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB SO DIMM Upgrade 70ns 3.3v LP Non-Parity o Installation and User's Guide o Registration Card Note: An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (S83G-8275) is available in support of these products. Security, Auditability, and Control These products use the security and auditability features of the host hardware, software, and/or application software. Terms and Conditions Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: Three years Warranty Service: Customer Carry-in Exchange (CCE) Customer Setup: Yes All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information During the warranty period, technical support is available (800-426-7299) 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for answering any questions about your new IBM option. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. Charges Single Part Unit Description Number Price* 4MB SO DIMM 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7259 $ 299 8MB SO DIMM 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7261 599 16MB SO DIMM 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7263 1,095 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12056 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:49:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26951; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26933; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:27:54 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA24403; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:27:51 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <59303.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Video wierdness under OS/2 WARP In message Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:20:36 +0100, Erik Lindahl writes: > BTW, i read a folder the other day TP 755 CE/CD and the new TFT-screen. > They specify that it can display up to 65,536 colours. Has anybody > tested the new drivers with our old machines? (Is the video chip the same? > It would be nice to have more colours, even if it's only on ext. screen?) Actually, the TFT screen on the 750C was advertised as capable of 32,768(?) colors. VGA is capable of 262,144 different colors, but can only display 16 of them at a time. You have to be careful and determine if they're talking about the video or the screen itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15508 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:57:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26970; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26960; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:05 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA24410; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:28:01 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <59312.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP In message Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:12:50 -0500, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) writes: >> You're missing the point. If you have a hard disk drive with a >> reasonably fast throughput you are an order of magnitude faster than >> the bandwidth of the parallel port on the ThinkPad. > I understand the concept of thoroughput. I guess I'm wondering > whether or not that's the real issue here. I don't know how often > you are using contiguous files that are large enough to notice a big > difference in thoroughput. Did my message not get out? The 5-10MB/sec specification being waved around for many new drives is the burst transfer rate - i.e. moving data from the built-in cache to the computer. The vast majority of disks can only read data off the platter at 500k/s - 1MB/s. If your drive is rated at 10MB/sec and it has a 256k cache, the maximum time penalty for using EPP is waiting 0.25 seconds instead of .025 seconds. In typical use, you'll barely notice the difference. All this changes if you hook up multiple SCSI devices to the same EPP. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01079 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:36:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02395; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:35:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:35:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02377; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:35:44 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA05559; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:58:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:58:07 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410252058.AA05559@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP 500k/s - 1MB/s for disk transfer rate is very pessimistic. I have the 810 meg disk on my 755C, and hibernation of 36 megs takes about 22 seconds. From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16185 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:21:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04452; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04437; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:12 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA26831; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:03:01 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <65011.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP In message Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:58:07 -0400, dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes: > 500k/s - 1MB/s for disk transfer rate is very pessimistic. I have the 810 > meg disk on my 755C, and hibernation of 36 megs takes about 22 seconds. Here's a quick chart based on the disk's physical specifications (sectors per track i.e. sectors in one revolution, and rpm) based on the standard 512 byte sectors: kilobytes passing under disk head each second RPM 1800 3600 5400 Sec/Trk ------------------------------ 17 | 255k 510k 765k 33 | 495k 990k 1485k 43 | 645k 1290k 1935k 63 | 945k 1890k 2835k Most of the older disks I know of are 33 sectors/track and 1800 rpm. 3600rpm disks started showing up in force a couple years ago, and 5400 rpm disks are still pretty rare (usually advertised as optimized for multimedia). 33 sectors/track seems to be the most popular. You can figure out the rest. The rate on the chart is the FASTEST the drive can read data off the disk - 1:1 interleave, data in sequential order on only one track, no bad sectors, etc. The drive can exceed this speed for a fraction of a second via a cache hit, but the sustained data transfer rate will not be much higher. There are LOTS of drives with LOTS of different specs so don't take the above chart as covering all drive types. I have no idea what the specs on the TP's hard drives are. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00054 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:10:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07986; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:04:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:03:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07975; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:03:56 -0400 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22716; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:06:07 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:06:07 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410252306.AA22716@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP In-Reply-To: Mail from '"John H. Kim" ' dated: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) >Did my message not get out? The 5-10MB/sec specification being waved around >for many new drives is the burst transfer rate - i.e. moving data from the >built-in cache to the computer. The vast majority of disks can only read Since the IBM ThinkPad hard drives have a 32KByte cache, the cache is practically insignificant for most throughput calculations. >data off the platter at 500k/s - 1MB/s. If your drive is rated at 10MB/sec >and it has a 256k cache, the maximum time penalty for using EPP is waiting >0.25 seconds instead of .025 seconds. In typical use, you'll barely notice >the difference. Wrong! The ThinkPad's disks have a data transfer rate off the platter of 24.5 - 35.8 Mbits/sec (quoting from the IBM internal technical documents). This, of course, equates to ~ 3 - 4.5 MBytes/sec. > > Here's a quick chart based on the disk's physical specifications (sectors > per track i.e. sectors in one revolution, and rpm) based on the standard > 512 byte sectors: > > kilobytes passing under disk head each second > > RPM 1800 3600 5400 > Sec/Trk ------------------------------ > 17 | 255k 510k 765k > 33 | 495k 990k 1485k > 43 | 645k 1290k 1935k > 63 | 945k 1890k 2835k Yes, I agree with this table, however these specifications were state-of-the -art 3 years ago. > > Most of the older disks I know of are 33 sectors/track and 1800 rpm. > 3600rpm disks started showing up in force a couple years ago, and 5400 rpm > disks are still pretty rare (usually advertised as optimized for The Micropolis SCSI-2 drive I just bought for my PC rotates at 5400 RPM -- and it wasn't outrageously expensive. > multimedia). 33 sectors/track seems to be the most popular. You can > figure out the rest. The rate on the chart is the FASTEST the drive can > read data off the disk - 1:1 interleave, data in sequential order on only > one track, no bad sectors, etc. The drive can exceed this speed for a > fraction of a second via a cache hit, but the sustained data transfer rate > will not be much higher. The IBM drives spin at 3800 RPM, and have 112 sectors per track. > I have no idea what the specs on the TP's hard drives are. > In typical use, you'll barely notice the difference. [...by using EPP] Empirically, I can say unequivocally that this is not true. Those of you out there who have desktop PC's with Fast SCSI-2 controllers, try turning off synchronous transfers, which will drop your bus transfer rate from 10 MBytes/sec to 5 MBytes/sec. You will notice a severe performance degredation under _normal_ DOS and Windows applications. The bottom line is, if you are using a modern disk drive, don't waste it on an EPP port. Invest in a Fast SCSI-2 PCMCIA adaptor! Sorry my posts are at spurious intervals, I'm usually juggling multiple research projects as well as flying around the country... | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06095 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:28:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09347; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:31:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:31:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09336; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:31:40 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA08136; Tue, 25 Oct 94 19:31:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 19:31:30 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410252331.AA08136@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP "sorry my posts are at spurious intervals" interesting phrase, what exactly is a spurious interval? :-) From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08547 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:03:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21444; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:54:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:54:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21434; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:54:57 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA02735; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 21:54:53 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:55:24 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <82525.jokim@mit.edu> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP In message Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:06:07 PDT, george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) writes: >> data off the platter at 500k/s - 1MB/s. If your drive is rated at >> 10MB/sec and it has a 256k cache, the maximum time penalty for using >> EPP is waiting 0.25 seconds instead of .025 seconds. In typical use, >> you'll barely notice the difference. > Wrong! *Ahem* Quite enthusiastic today, aren't we? :-) I'll concede, you win. Although I still say for perhaps 50+% of the drives out there the performance of EPP will be acceptable. > The ThinkPad's disks have a data transfer rate off the platter of > 24.5 - 35.8 Mbits/sec (quoting from the IBM internal technical documents). > This, of course, equates to ~ 3 - 4.5 MBytes/sec. Curious. What are the specs on the 340MB drive? How come Norton insists I'm only getting 982k/sec throughput? I'm a little chagrined at you calling the throughput of my drive "state of the art 3 years ago." If the 540MB or 810MB drive is 3-4x faster than the 340MB drive, I'm going to save up my money. >> Most of the older disks I know of are 33 sectors/track and 1800 rpm. >> 3600rpm disks started showing up in force a couple years ago, and >> 5400 rpm disks are still pretty rare (usually advertised as optimized > > The Micropolis SCSI-2 drive I just bought for my PC rotates at 5400 RPM -- > and it wasn't outrageously expensive. Well, I never said they were outrageously expensive. Just rare - you're typically not going to get one unless you find out which models have the faster spindle speed and specifically order it. >> I have no idea what the specs on the TP's hard drives are. >> > The IBM drives spin at 3800 RPM, and have 112 sectors per track. Say, since you've overflowing with all this info on the TP drives, do you know where we can buy a case for it, or where we can buy the funky little connector inside the case? (Actually, I've tracked down the plug at the drive end, it's just the cable and the TP plug I need) > out there who have desktop PC's with Fast SCSI-2 controllers, try turning > off synchronous transfers, which will drop your bus transfer rate from > 10 MBytes/sec to 5 MBytes/sec. You will notice a severe performance > degredation under _normal_ DOS and Windows applications. Since I doubt your drive is capable of >5MB/sec sustained transfer, would you care to speculate what causes the performance degredation? It may be useful to know, since what you're saying is that drops in throughput beyond the sustained transfer rate of a drive (i.e. transfer rate of 5MB/sec dropped to EPP's 1MB/sec on a 900k/sec SCSI drive) can cause a severe performance hit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26353 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 00:15:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23344; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:29:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:29:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23333; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:29:46 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA12658; Tue, 25 Oct 94 23:24:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 23:24:38 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410260324.AA12658@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP of course you won't see anything LIKE the rated drive speed using Norton, because of software system overhead! From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:26:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16857 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:23:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02449; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:30:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:30:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02435; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:30:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199410260630.CAA02435@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ruger-41.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22019; Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:27:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:27:57 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP X-Mailer: >The bottom line is, if you are using a modern disk drive, don't waste it >on an EPP port. Invest in a Fast SCSI-2 PCMCIA adaptor! Still gotta wait on the results of those before jumping to any conclusions. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:26:51 1994 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05228 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:04:15 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05115 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:03:49 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05097 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for dreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:03:43 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05074 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for stunnels@uiuc.edu); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:03:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:03:40 -0500 X-Ph: V3.17@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Ph: V3.17@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu From: Andrew Trapp Message-Id: <199410261403.AA05074@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: stunnels@uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Bust? Reply-To: stunnels@uiuc.edu X-Sender: STunnels Errors-To: stunnels-request@uiuc.edu >Of course, this analysis begs the question: do only the dominant pair of >stunnelers get to mate? Since stunnelers are 99% male (probably closer to 99.99%), reproduction is a problem. I think it's done asexually. :-) Unicop: "Geez! I caught four last week, now there's eight of 'em down there! Time to get this infestation under control. BUG-BOMB THE STUNNELS!!!" -- Andrew Trapp, dreamer@uiuc.edu List Admin, UIUC STunnels list: stunnels@uiuc.edu Subscribe, unsubscribe, list probs, etc.: stunnels-request@uiuc.edu From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:26:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22366 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:01:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04418; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:24:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:24:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04407; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:24:42 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA07970; Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:24:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:24:36 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410261424.AA07970@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: thinkpad prices Andy Stevens pointed out to me that I seriously goofed on prices in my most recent past, so here is a correction: the $3295 was for a 755CS, the cheapest price I have found on a real 755C with 170 meg hard drive and 50MHz processor is $4495, quite a difference! So that means the asked price on an old 750 is not so out of line (althouh it still seems high to me, anyway, let the market decide that!) From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:26:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03408 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:26:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05680; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:41:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:41:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05656; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:41:12 -0400 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:40 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r09Wp-0003gPC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:40 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:38:33 +0200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Hard drive cases/connectors X-Mailer: John Kim wrote: >Say, since you've overflowing with all this info on the TP drives, do you >know where we can buy a case for it, or where we can buy the funky little >connector inside the case? (Actually, I've tracked down the plug at the >drive end, it's just the cable and the TP plug I need) Does this mean if we got hold of the TP-end plug we could connect up a drive *without* the case? Presumably the cable itself is trivial, just normal ribbon stuff -- all that's needed is the plugs at either end. I know it's not a clean tidy solution having a naked drive rattling around inside your portable, but I for one would tolerate it for the sake of hundreds of dollars of savings on a drive expansion. Furthermore, is it conceivable then that this would allow attachment of arbitrary IDE drives, ie by running the ribbon cable outside the TP's housing, or are the electrical characteristics of TP drives unique somehow (aside from the normal considerations of power-draw). Tim From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:27:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10698 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:42:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07818; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:09:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:09:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07799; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:09:28 -0400 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:40 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r09Wn-0003gOC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:40 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:38:31 +0200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: Memory options from IBM X-Mailer: So, which Thinkpads will take the DIMM's? Only 755's? It doesn't seem to be explicit in the announcement. Tim From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:27:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15195 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:56:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13970; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:29:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:29:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13955; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:29:49 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA08474; Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:29:11 MDT Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:29:11 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410261629.AA08474@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: OS/2 Warp I've decided to give Warp a try on my TP and would appreciate some advice regarding which media to buy, 3.5" disks or CD-ROM. If I go CD-ROM, I'll need to use the CD-ROM drive installed in my desktop machine in conjuction with Interlink/Laplink or something similar. While I'm pretty sure I know the answer already (NO!), I'm gonna ask anyway: Has anyone tried this/does it work? I'm not real wild about shuffling some 30+ disks during install, but since osmosis probably won't work either, my alternatives are rather limited ;) Thanks for any suggestions. _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | "True perfection can be Denver, CO. 80201 | found in the details" From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:27:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17520 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:01:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14340; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:31:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:31:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14328; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:31:38 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA29820; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:31:21 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA14098; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:31:18 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410261631.JAA14098@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Vetter" at Oct 26, 94 03:38:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > John Kim wrote: > > >Say, since you've overflowing with all this info on the TP drives, do you > >know where we can buy a case for it, or where we can buy the funky little > >connector inside the case? (Actually, I've tracked down the plug at the > >drive end, it's just the cable and the TP plug I need) > > Does this mean if we got hold of the TP-end plug we could connect up a drive > *without* the case? Presumably the cable itself is trivial, just normal > ribbon stuff -- all that's needed is the plugs at either end. I know it's > not a clean tidy solution having a naked drive rattling around inside your > portable, Aw, heck--a little duct tape would take care of *that* problem. :) Or you could even sort of make your *own* "case" and stick it in their somehow (duct tape, again?). SO--can this cable be created and the case thing ignored? > but I for one would tolerate it for the sake of hundreds of > dollars of savings on a drive expansion. > Tim ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 14:15:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18231 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:10:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19504; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19494; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:17 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA14639; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:54:15 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <50085.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive cases/connectors In message Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:38:33 +0200, uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) writes: >>Say, since you've overflowing with all this info on the TP drives, do you >> know where we can buy a case for it, or where we can buy the funky >> little connector inside the case? (Actually, I've tracked down the >> plug at the drive end, it's just the cable and the TP plug I need) > > Does this mean if we got hold of the TP-end plug we could connect up a > drive *without* the case? Presumably the cable itself is trivial, just > normal ribbon stuff -- all that's needed is the plugs at either end. I Well, the case is trivial - just epoxy some pieces of plastic together. The cable is the problem - it isn't the normal ribbon type cable. It looks like metal etched onto a flexible plastic backing. The widths of the plugs on either end are different so the cable compresses the wires into a smaller width at one end. > Furthermore, is it conceivable then that this would allow attachment of > arbitrary IDE drives, ie by running the ribbon cable outside the TP's > housing, or are the electrical characteristics of TP drives unique somehow > (aside from the normal considerations of power-draw). You could, but if you blow the fuse on the TP in this manner, your warranty is gone. IBM wasn't able to/wouldn't tell me the maximum power the hard drive should draw so all we have is the IBM drives themselves to go on. Someone else had that information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 14:34:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19801 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:13:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20329; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:06:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:06:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20294; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:06:08 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxnhw09833; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:05:52 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07055; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:01:32 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA26336; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:07:02 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01853; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:04:22 PDT Message-Id: <9410261804.AA01853@opus.objy.com> To: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:29:11 MDT." <9410261629.AA08474@amazon.den.mmc.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:04:20 -0700 From: Bruce Reed > > I've decided to give Warp a try on my TP and would appreciate > some advice regarding which media to buy, 3.5" disks or CD-ROM. > > If I go CD-ROM, I'll need to use the CD-ROM drive installed in my > desktop machine in conjuction with Interlink/Laplink or something > similar. While I'm pretty sure I know the answer already (NO!), > I'm gonna ask anyway: > > Has anyone tried this/does it work? I doubt it. OS/2 can only be installed from diskette or CD-ROM. There are no provisions for piping data to the install process. The best solution is to buy a Dock-I and attach a SCSI CD-ROM drive. One word of advice should you go the diskette route - I would buy the CD-ROM and use the supplied diskette images to create your laptop install diskettes. Tools are included for creating diskettes using DOS or OS/2. That way at least you'll have a CD-ROM for desktop install should you decide to take the plunge there. --Bruce From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 14:34:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20043 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:14:02 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19519; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19509; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:25 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA14635; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:54:06 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:37 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <50078.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Memory options from IBM In message Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:38:31 +0200, uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) writes: > So, which Thinkpads will take the DIMM's? Only 755's? It doesn't seem to > be explicit in the announcement. I asked someone on TP7xx development. The 32MB DIMM won't work on the TP750. I don't know about lesser sized DIMMs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 14:34:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20224 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:14:21 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19482; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:52:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:52:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19470; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:52:26 -0400 From: Received: from M66-080-13.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02735; Wed, 26 Oct 94 13:52:21 EDT Received: by m66-080-13.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA17072; Wed, 26 Oct 94 13:52:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9410261752.AA17072@m66-080-13.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: ajm1@mit.edu Subject: Linux PCMCIA cardmgr and others Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:52:17 EDT Well, at last i can say that i have a (mostly) stable Linux Box... I'm running kernel 1.1.55 with only the modifications to floppy.c and the -Ddoes_not_work_for_everybody_with_scsi_but_helps_ibm_vp CFLAG in the general Makefile. 1.1.55 no longer has the #DEFINE FIFO_BUG option, so i assume it is no longer needed. However, there are still some problems: 1- Coming in and out of X (2.11) is still screwy, it works with the suspend, but it is anoying notheless. I have found that pressing a mouse button (or moving it) during loading of the X server decreases the number of times the display gets screwed up during startup (no idea why). I'm using the modifications to the pvga1 driver by Michael Steiner and adding #define DUAL_SCAN in the makefile. BTW: I have a 750Cs w/ 8megs Does anyone know if XFree86 v3.1 has any of this fixed? just wondering... 2- I have a Megahertz XJack 2144 modem and i have pcmcia-2.2.3 installed. It seems as if the cardmgr daemon does not recognize this card all the time, and sometimes I get pcmem_cs.o loaded instead of serial_cs.o Is there a way to "hardwire" serial_cs.o as default? I tried adding it to rc.M (/sbin/insmod /usr/src/linux/modules/pcmcia/serial_cs.o) but i'm still missing something to make it work... Clues anyone? 3- One Word: APM, what's the deal with it? I know we have to patch it, but is it stable enough? I think that's about the sum of it... PS: Is anyone out there still selling 340meg HD's? I'm running out of spaaaaaaaaaaaace! Thanks again! Art Arturo J. Morales | ajm1@mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachusetts Institute of Technology -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 15:10:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05293 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:49:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21574; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21544; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199410261830.OAA21544@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-32.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16363; Wed, 26 Oct 94 13:27:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 13:27:57 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: thinkpad prices X-Mailer: >So that means the asked price on an old 750 is not so out of line (althouh >it still seems high to me, anyway, let the market decide that!) Actually, to let everyone know how well Thinkpads do hold there prices, I will admit to having sold mine for $4300 a mere month or so ago. And yes, the buyer was aware of the TP755 series. I sold a TP750C/12/340 setup with nothing else included. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 15:59:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00321 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:45:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21990; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:38:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:38:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21977; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:38:25 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA08547; Wed, 26 Oct 94 12:37:42 MDT Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 12:37:42 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410261837.AA08547@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS/2 Warp I wrote: >> I've decided to give Warp a try on my TP and would appreciate >> some advice regarding which media to buy, 3.5" disks or CD-ROM. Bruce Reed wrote: > One word of advice should you go the diskette route - I would buy > the CD-ROM and use the supplied diskette images to create your > laptop install diskettes. Tools are included for creating diskettes > using DOS or OS/2. That way at least you'll have a CD-ROM for desktop > install should you decide to take the plunge there. Tim Tyhurst wrote: > I'd suggest CD-ROM, since you can create diskettes from the CD-ROM, > if necessary. Documentation on how to do so was included with Warp > Beta II, anyway. Thanks for the tip, guys. Sounds like CD-ROM is the way to go. Now I know what to do with those old v2.1 install disks..... - Karl From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 19:17:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06438 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:59:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01606; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:47:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:47:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01587; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:47:13 -0400 From: Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r0FEe-0004u9C; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:46 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r0FEd-0009b1C; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:46 CDT Received: from bart by bart.dsd.northrop.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0FEb-0002wvC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:46 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: jokim@mit.edu Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:45:34 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <50085.jokim@mit.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Oct 26, 94 01:54:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: strat@CS.UTK.EDU > Well, the case is trivial - just epoxy some pieces of plastic together. > The cable is the problem - it isn't the normal ribbon type cable. It looks > like metal etched onto a flexible plastic backing. The widths of the plugs > on either end are different so the cable compresses the wires into a smaller > width at one end. It's a flex pwb. I don't have time to deal with this, but someone with pwb software could layout that cable in a few hours. Getting together a group purchase shouldn't be that hard. The connector on the thinkpad should be possible to obtain. Why doesn't someone post on the compuserve forum and see if one of the product engineers will give out the part number. Otherwise look in a Digikey catalog, for example. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 19:17:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04988 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:12:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07124; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:04:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:04:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07114; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:04:01 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA20937; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:03:55 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <65070.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: To the guy who was selling the TP750C Sorry to bug everyone about this. I lost the original message. Regarding the TP750C for sale: If you're willing to split the package up, I might want to buy the ethernet card. What brand and model is it? Have you used it with MIT's Resnet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 19:17:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13869 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:41:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09038; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:31:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:31:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09028; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:31:28 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA21133; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:31:21 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:31:51 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <66712.jokim@mit.edu> To: strat@dsd.northrop.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors In message Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:45:34 -0500 (CDT), strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) writes: >> The cable is the problem - it isn't the normal ribbon type cable. It >> looks like metal etched onto a flexible plastic backing. The widths >> of the plugs on either end are different so the cable compresses the >> wires into a smaller width at one end. > > It's a flex pwb. I don't have time to deal with this, but someone with > pwb software could layout that cable in a few hours. Getting together a > group purchase shouldn't be that hard. Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that can manufacture this stuff? > The connector on the thinkpad > should be possible to obtain. Why doesn't someone post on the compuserve > forum and see if one of the product engineers will give out the part > number. Well I don't have a CompuServe account so if someone else could do this, we'd be much obliged. > Otherwise look in a Digikey catalog, for example. That's where I found the (standard) hard drive plug. I'm still leafing through that and other catalogs looking for the two other parts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Thu Oct 27 14:15:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18842 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:20:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10608; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:50:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:50:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10585; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:50:11 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r0VCe-0004uAC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 08:49 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r0VCd-0009b1C; Thu, 27 Oct 94 08:49 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0VCc-0002wvC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 08:49 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: jokim@mit.edu Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:49:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <66712.jokim@mit.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Oct 26, 94 06:31:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found someone who will do the layout for zero cost, or next to it. > Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that can > manufacture this stuff? I'm sure we can find someone to do a proto run (i.e. 10 cables). > Well I don't have a CompuServe account so if someone else could do this, > we'd be much obliged. I'll check around a little bit and suggest a source.... -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Thu Oct 27 14:15:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22957 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:36:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15475; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:49:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:49:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15465; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:49:23 -0400 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:48 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r0W8D-0003hJC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:48 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:47:18 +0200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors X-Mailer: >Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that can >manufacture this stuff? How about the Thinkpad User's Group Company (THUGCO). Only half jokingly, the collective knowledge of this group on issues of TP accessories/compatibility/user-needs probably far outstrips that of any OEM firm (though IBM itself still probably has us beat :-)). If some of you energetic young bizness types (Randy, you listening?) were to put do a little research into the mechanics and economics of commissioning offshore manufacturing runs, establishing distribution channels, venture finance, etc. etc., I'll bet we could put together a commercially-viable cottage production entity that could easily undercut IBM and the OEM suppliers on things like drive units, memory packages, batteries, expansion units. Myself I wouldn't care if such a thing were wildly profitable or not but it would be fun and, dammit, where the hell else am I gonna get a port replicator with built-in SCSI? Perhaps I'm naive about the realities of the rough-and-tumble hardware industry to think such a thing possible but there are good precedents in other sectors. In the late 70's a group of climbing enthusiasts in Vancouver became frustrated with the overpriced, technically-outmoded outdoor gear available from the dominant manufacturers, and started spec'ing out their own gear and commissioning small runs from various (predominantly East-Asian) job shops. The stuff was intended for their own use but it was so cheaply priced (near-zero overheads, mfg on bid) and in tune with the up-to-the-minute technical demands of the adventure-sport community (they could go from design to delivered good in a matter of weeks, unlike the dinosaur companies) that outside demand rapidly picked up. Now the Mountain Equipment Co-Operative is the #1 specialty mfr/retailer of outdoor gear in Canada, while still member-owned and operated. [Disclaimer: I am a member and satisfied customer!] The point is that a small group of enthusiasts *can* move a market if they have a bit of technical expertise, a lot of unmet needs, and an entrenched supplier community that is fat, slow-moving, and greedy. Any of this sound familiar? I would say of all the Intel notebooks the Thinkpad best lends itself to supporting a specialist third-party supplier. Just guessing, but between the 360/750/755 there are probably more units in existence than any other technically-consistent x86 portable "family". And IBM shows no signs of abandoning this successful architecture, what with (most) accessories being announced and sold to this day being forwards/backwards compatible throughout the line. And then there's the Trackpoint II/III, the only *real* Trackpoint, which for me cinches the future of the line. So, any thoughts on this fantasy? Bring me back to earth, someone, PLEASE! Best, Tim Vetter Frankfurt vetter@hookup.net uwe@odb.rhein-main.de From ???@??? Thu Oct 27 14:15:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15101 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 12:22:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20366; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:57:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:57:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20355; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:57:07 -0400 Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA14821; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:52:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp To: Karl Yeanoplos Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410261629.AA08474@amazon.den.mmc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I did the disk thing and it was painful but worth the effort. I will soon be unsubscribing as my present address and resubscribing as mpsmith@ibm.net on the strength of the tools in warp. Finally a multi-threaded news/mail/www solution. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, Karl Yeanoplos wrote: > > I've decided to give Warp a try on my TP and would appreciate > some advice regarding which media to buy, 3.5" disks or CD-ROM. > > If I go CD-ROM, I'll need to use the CD-ROM drive installed in my > desktop machine in conjuction with Interlink/Laplink or something > similar. While I'm pretty sure I know the answer already (NO!), > I'm gonna ask anyway: > > Has anyone tried this/does it work? > > > I'm not real wild about shuffling some 30+ disks during install, > but since osmosis probably won't work either, my alternatives are > rather limited ;) > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) > Martin Marietta Corp. | > P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | "True perfection can be > Denver, CO. 80201 | found in the details" > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13334 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:34:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00547; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:24:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:24:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00536; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:24:14 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA09703; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:23:46 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id LAA11170; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:23:37 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410271823.LAA11170@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Vetter" at Oct 27, 94 03:47:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that can > >manufacture this stuff? > > How about the Thinkpad User's Group Company (THUGCO). > > Only half jokingly, the collective knowledge of this group on issues of TP > accessories/compatibility/user-needs probably far outstrips that of any OEM > firm (though IBM itself still probably has us beat :-)). If some of you > energetic young bizness types (Randy, you listening?) were to put do a Intently. > little research into the mechanics and economics of commissioning offshore > manufacturing runs, establishing distribution channels, venture finance, > etc. etc., I'll bet we could put together a commercially-viable cottage > production entity that could easily undercut IBM and the OEM suppliers on > things like drive units, memory packages, batteries, expansion units. I didn't envision quite this wide of expansion, but I suggested something like this a week ago--targeting major notebook mfgrs. (IBM and Toshiba came to mind) and providing parts for them (i.e., cheaper batteries came to mind). > Myself I wouldn't care if such a thing were wildly profitable or not but it > would be fun and, dammit, where the hell else am I gonna get a port > replicator with built-in SCSI? While I identify with you sentiments here, you have to remember one *very* important thing: What is the real goal? I don't know if any of you have read a book called "The Goal" by Eli Goldratt (and I doubt you have--it is very popular, but mostly only among manufacturing types), but it discusses these issues. If you have not, and you enjoy a good story that teaches important business concepts, I *highly* recommend it. It sounds like a boring textbook case, but its not-- it is written in novel form and it is an enjoyable and intriguing story, not unlike a good mystery or science fiction novel. At any rate, the story goes that this guy has run a manufacturing plant for 6 months and finds out that unless he can turn it around, it will be closed in 3 months--leaving he and everyone out of a job. The key motivator in the book is one chapter where the main character runs across a former instructor from Engineering school. The instructor determines the plant is in trouble before the main character even knows it, and then suggests that his eye is not on the goal, and since he doesn't know what his goal is, he cannot run his plant effectively. After torturing himself over figuring out what the real goal is (is it Jobs? Quality? Low-Cost purchasing? Highly-developed Technology? So-called "efficiency"? Sales/Market Share?), he finally figures it out. Guess what? The plant wasn't built to provide jobs. It wasn't built to make high-quality products. It wasn't built to maximize sales or efficiciencies. And it wasn't built to show off technological feats. The goal is *always* the same for any business--and the goal is to make money. Everything--and I mean *everything* else--is just a means to achieving that goal. So Tim, I would have to disagree--the venture would *have* to be profitable to be worth anyone's time. It would be an awfully expensive hobby if you, I, or anyone merely considered it "fun". Fun is good too, but it shouldn't be the main objective. Nevertheless--if those on the group are serious about this--and I mean *serious*--I will *consider* writing a business plan--a complete womb-to-tomb business plan covering every area from Management & Organization to Cash Flows to Marketing to Operations--IF those with additional expertise in the areas you mentioned above (offshore manufacturing runs, establishing distribution channels, venture finance, etc.) are willing to work with me in providing the information necessary. Its a *huge* project, but through outsourcing and contracting, it could reasonably be done on an entreprenuerial level. The key here is it *does* tap into a niche market that is ignored by the "big boys" and niches are what gives the entrepreneur a fighting chance. Frankly, it is a *tremendous* opportunity here, and one which I am *very* interested in. You see, I am the entrepreneurial type looking for opportunities, but seldom are those opportunities in the high-tech arena that is so near and dear to my heart (unless you are fabulously wealthy and an ingenious engineer--which I am neither. I'm technically inclined, but no expert). Computers and technology in general are my first love. I'd like nothing more than to have it be my life's work in some way or another. > Perhaps I'm naive about the realities of the rough-and-tumble hardware > industry to think such a thing possible but there are good precedents in > other sectors. In the late 70's a group of climbing enthusiasts in > Vancouver became frustrated with the overpriced, technically-outmoded > The point is that a small group of enthusiasts *can* move a market if they > have a bit of technical expertise, a lot of unmet needs, and an entrenched > supplier community that is fat, slow-moving, and greedy. Any of this sound > familiar? You show a good example of a taking advantage of an unmet need in a niche market. This is what works. If you had said, "Let's build our own x86 notebook computer!" I'd have laughed in your face--that corridor has pretty much closed and we'd have little or no real competetive advantage over virtually any other cheapo mfgr. But this idea of THUGCO--such a concept would be all alone in its niche (until the copycats come along) and is destined to succeed, as long as it is properly backed financially and properly planned, marketed, and managed. Screw up on any of those things and you'll find yourself out of business. So I ask you all collectively--are you the least bit serious about this? Even if the money's not available--I guarantee you that if the Business Plan is feasible--and the whole concept is as good as I think it is--V.C.'s (Venture Capitalists) *will* put up the money to do it. E-mail the list for more discussion, but if you have real specifics, it may be best to E-Mail me privately. I am curious how many people are willing to get involved--there is no way I have the experience or expertise to handle the more technical areas and no way I could do it alone. Consider this a "feeler" invitation--I want to know what you all think. > So, any thoughts on this fantasy? Bring me back to earth, someone, PLEASE! I don't know if I did or not, but consider this a nudge. ;) > Tim Vetter > Frankfurt > > vetter@hookup.net > uwe@odb.rhein-main.de ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17602 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:42:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04650; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:18:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:18:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04632; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:18:33 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA09784; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:18:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:18:29 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm shopping for a PCMCIA ethernet card. Could those of you who've gotten such a beastie working on your TP75x running OS/2 please tell me what brand and model card you used? Thanks. From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28282 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:11:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12441; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:08:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:08:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12431; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:08:21 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA12701; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:07:34 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:08:04 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <61685.jokim@mit.edu> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors In message Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Randal Whittle writes: >> > Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that >> > can manufacture this stuff? >> >> How about the Thinkpad User's Group Company (THUGCO). Interesting idea. Change the name. THUGCO sounds like a pack of hoodlums, cutthroats, and muggers. > So I ask you all collectively--are you the least bit serious about > this? Even if the money's not available--I guarantee you that if the > Business Plan is feasible--and the whole concept is as good as I think it > is--V.C.'s (Venture Capitalists) *will* put up the money to do it. Actually, all I'd envisoned was putting together a deal to get a bunch of these cables made, signing up enough people from this group to finance the order, and disbanding after it was all over. But I suppose most of the organizational work would coincide with setting up a more permanent business arrangement. I'll be happy to offer what little help I can if you go through with this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07417 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 18:58:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19529; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:00:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:00:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19519; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:00:52 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id TAA28508; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:03:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: Re: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet To: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, John Kim wrote: > I'm shopping for a PCMCIA ethernet card. Could those of you who've gotten > such a beastie working on your TP75x running OS/2 please tell me what brand > and model card you used? Thanks. I've got a Linksys Ethercombo on my 750. The only disadvantage is that it won't work with card & socket services. (Something about the pcmcia version) But since I'm using the point enabler (C&SS was _too big_) that suited me just fine. It came with a packet driver and all the Novell and Workgroups drivers. It'll take 10baseT or 10base2 with no setting to change - it's autodetecting. And the price was right. One card I would _not_ reccomend is the Megahertz ethercard. I had it for 48 hours. It was $10 more then the ethercombo, and when I called them about getting the 10base2 dongle they quoted me a price of $100. Of course, this being Megahertz, they kept me on hold for 40 minutes first. This was the day before they discontinued 800 support, and I was damned if I'd wait for them on my dime in the future. Not to mention that the first tech I got on the phone didn't even know they made the card, then the second told me that 'the guy' who knew about what I was asking was not there that week. From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08350 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:01:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19618; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:04:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:04:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19608; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:04:33 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id TAA28621; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:07:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:07:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: <61685.jokim@mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > Actually, all I'd envisoned was putting together a deal to get a bunch of > these cables made, signing up enough people from this group to finance the > order, and disbanding after it was all over. Apologies - my mailer dumped messages for a few days - what cable do you mean? _I'd_ like to see this venture make a cheaper AC and Car adaptor. I paid $150 for my cig-lighter adaptor, which is just insane. I'd like another AC adaptor, but $90 is too damn much..... From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13876 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:18:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29767; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:24:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:24:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nash.pubnix.qc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29757; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:24:24 -0400 Received: by nash.pubnix.qc.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA25432; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:18:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:17:13 +0005 ($BE) From: Andre Laurendeau Subject: Re: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet To: John Kim Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, John Kim wrote: > I'm shopping for a PCMCIA ethernet card. Could those of you who've gotten > such a beastie working on your TP75x running OS/2 please tell me what brand > and model card you used? Thanks. Don't buy a Xircom !!! Their support of OS/2 is really bad. Their NDIS driver just make a trap d (or is it e ??). Their ODI driver doesn't support socket services. They are promising a new version of these drivers since last january ... I'm asking in the frequence of ounce a mount, and all I've got are promises ... Andre :================================================================: : Andre Laurendeau | Le Reseau Electronique du : : Avocat/Lawyer | Montreal Metropolitain : : (514) 278-1664 | (514) 990-REMM (990-7366) : : andrel@pubnix.qc.ca | Free-Net@remm.uqam.ca : :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~: : 1030 Beaubien e. #201, Montreal, Canada, H2S 1T4 : :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~: : REMM - Le Free-Net de Montreal | REMM - Montreal's Free-Net : :================================================================: From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02465 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:27:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08939; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 00:49:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 00:49:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08929; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 00:48:47 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03224; Thu, 27 Oct 94 21:50:43 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 21:50:43 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410280450.AA03224@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors In-Reply-To: Mail from 'uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter)' dated: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:47:18 +0200 > Only half jokingly, the collective knowledge of this group on issues of TP > accessories/compatibility/user-needs probably far outstrips that of any OEM > firm (though IBM itself still probably has us beat :-)). If some of you I don't know. I get tired of explaining to the IBM techs how their hardware works. > I'll bet we could put together a commercially-viable cottage > production entity that could easily undercut IBM and the OEM suppliers on > things like drive units, memory packages, batteries, expansion units. Yeah, but would they be "ThinkPad Proven" ? :) Robert | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03139 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:31:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09458; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:03:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:03:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09448; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:03:34 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12972; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:05:46 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:05:46 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410280505.AA12972@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Donald A. Whiteside" ' dated: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:07:15 -0400 (EDT) > _I'd_ like to see this venture make a cheaper AC and Car adaptor. I paid > $150 for my cig-lighter adaptor, which is just insane. I'd like another > AC adaptor, but $90 is too damn much..... I love the new micro-miniature ac adaptor on the 755's, but if you look at the electrical specs, this new adaptor doesn't support multi-frequency/ multi-voltage autoswitching like the big 750 ac adaptors. Luckily, I kept some of the ac adaptors from my 750's -- its nice when you're charging in a hotel room overseas! Robert From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 12:32:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15423 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:10:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09361; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:00:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:00:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09348; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:00:18 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04033; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:02:26 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:02:26 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410280502.AA04033@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Donald A. Whiteside" ' dated: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:03:36 -0400 (EDT) > I've got a Linksys Ethercombo on my 750. The only disadvantage is that ... > Workgroups drivers. It'll take 10baseT or 10base2 with no setting to > change - it's autodetecting. Do they provide a soap-on-a-rope for both 10BaseT and 10Base2? The oem IBM Ethernet card I have will take both as well, but the adaptors are expensive. Also, 10BaseT supports full-duplex communications since, unlike 10Base2, it has seperate transmit and receive lines. I've heard that someone _has_ built a PCMCIA adaptor that does full duplex, but I didn't catch the manufacturer. ...now if only PC's would stop using 16-bit Ethernet transport!! Robert From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 12:32:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17269 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:34:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10055; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:16:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:16:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10045; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:16:13 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18689; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:18:24 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:18:24 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410280518.AA18689@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet > I've got a Linksys Ethercombo on my 750. The only disadvantage is that ... > Workgroups drivers. It'll take 10baseT or 10base2 with no setting to > change - it's autodetecting. Do they provide a soap-on-a-rope for both 10BaseT and 10Base2? The oem IBM Ethernet card I have will take both as well, but the adaptors are expensive. Also, 10BaseT supports full-duplex communications since, unlike 10Base2, it has seperate transmit and receive lines. I've heard that someone _has_ built a PCMCIA adaptor that does full duplex, but I didn't catch the manufacturer. ...now if only PC's would stop using 16-bit Ethernet transport!! Robert | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 12:32:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05068 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 05:18:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15535; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:07:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:07:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15525; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:07:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199410280707.DAA15525@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-8.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26110; Fri, 28 Oct 94 02:04:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 02:04:10 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Thinkware (THUGCO) X-Mailer: >> How about the Thinkpad User's Group Company (THUGCO). How about ThinkWare? > You show a good example of a taking advantage of an unmet need in >a niche market. This is what works. If you had said, "Let's build our own I've sent Randy email expressing my interest in this idea. We have quite a range of talent on this list and, if we could harness it, we could have quite an operation going. This niche market is an area that dearly needs fulfilling. The Thinkpad is full of untapped potential. And furthermore, the way IBM has been selling them, a big market may exist out there. That would have to be something we would have to look into of course. There are a number of areas to start with even on a small level -- take the PCMCIA ports for example. Simply selling an improved version may not only make many TP owners happier, but get us a start. Then we could move to docks, floppy bay expansion stuff, etc. There's a load of untapped potential. I hope that anyone interested will contact Randy. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 12:32:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09169 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:10:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24187; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:38:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:38:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24177; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:38:16 -0400 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA15658; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:34:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Hosmer Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: Thinkpad List , Bruce Reed In-Reply-To: <9410210114.AA24155@opus.objy.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Have you had any response to your question RE Warp? I am waiting for an OS2/PCMCIA/SCSI solution, any ideas? shosmer@netcom.com On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Bruce Reed wrote: > > > Doesn't the Slim SCSI come with Adaptec drivers? Presumably, > > the whole industry pretty much supports those... > > The SlimSCSI is a Trantor device with an Adaptec name. The drivers > are derivations of the Trantor drivers, so if you're software > supports the Trantor line you're probably okay. The TapeMate > software I'm using is part of the SCSIworks package distributed > will all Trantor devices. > > Now if I could just get an OS/2 driver I'd be happy. Adaptec claims > the problem is a lack of native OS/2 card and socket services. I said > "you ever heard of WARP 3?" Their reply was, "well, it hasn't shipped > yet." Surprising that the leader in PC SCSI is behind while the upstart > Qlogic has been testing beta drivers for two months now. Maybe if enough > people scream at 'em they'll get off their butts. > > --Bruce > From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:41:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28792 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:32:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01325; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:12:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:12:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01314; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:12:15 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxntc11326; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:12:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 94 14:59:44 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, I hope you don't mind my using a clip of our private conversation, but I thought I'd add my comments to the fray..... **** Don: Apologies - my mailer dumped messages for a few days - what cable do you mean? John: The cable that connects the hard drive to the Thinkpad. If you've opened up the hard drive casing, you'll know what we're talking about. Don: Ah. The concept being putting together your own replacement HD, I presume? John: Almost. If you buy the TP750 drives from IBM or that other place, the price is around $1200 for a 540 MB drive. If you buy an 540 MB IBM OEM notebook drive from a 3rd party vendor, it is around $600. This is the EXACT SAME drive, it just lacks the plastic housing and cable used in the Thinkpad. So either we pay IBM $600 for a silly plastic case and cable, or we do a little work and build our own. ----- So inspired, I poped open the case on my HD and took a look, and noticed a few things: One, the connector we've been talking about is stamped by AMP. If anyone is really interested in this venture, perhaps one of us should call them and see if these connectors were manufactured under an agreement of exclusivity. It is entirely possible IBM did not get such an agreement with them. However, I didn't spy a SN on the connector, so knowing which part to ask for could be a challenge. Two, very strange - the cable on my 170M drive was labeled 340M. _That_ made me think of the fact that the two preconfigured drive options on the 'pad are 170M and 340M, a factor of 2. (Well, those were the options on the 750 when I bought mine...) Is it possible the 170Ms are crippled 340Ms? Similar approaches have been taken in the history of the computing businesss..... Three, are these standard 2.5" IDE drives? Could, for example, any size Seagate be used here? (I was uncertain from your comment John if you meant they were generic or particular for the IBM) Or does the TP BIOS only support certain drive parameters? Or are they totally propriatary? (Unlikely IMHO, as the hassle of producing a non-standard configuration would seem more expensive than potential lose revenue) The other thing that occured to me is that if THUGCO were to go forward, perhaps there's another option to having cables and connectors made, at least in the beginning - if the cables are the same regardless of drive size, and I have no reason to think they're not, why not instead offer a trade-up option, thereby utilizing the cases and connectors, and reselling the old drives? Perhaps they could be mounted in a different manufacturer's laptops, one that does not offer the removable drives. The matter of the bios on those machines would have to be addressed, but I feel confident it could be reverse engineered. (I'm unsure of the legality there, as the BIOS is not being propigated to other machines) Hope this wasn't too long for you all.... ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:41:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23663 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:31:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08697; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:28:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:28:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08687; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:28:25 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA17301; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 16:28:17 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:28:47 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <62928.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors If the technical nature of this topic is beginning to bore a majority of you, speak up so we'll know to take it to email. In message Sat, 29 Oct 94 14:59:44 PDT, Don Whiteside writes: > So inspired, I poped open the case on my HD and took a look, and noticed ^^^^^^^^^^ Much easier said than done. :-) I gave up until I committed to buying a new drive. > Two, very strange - the cable on my 170M drive was labeled 340M. _That_ Perhaps this is the reason some people (including me) found that the connector doesn't exactly fit the new drive. I suspect IBM wstandardized dimensions between the 170 and 340 drives soon after production. It seems I got one of the older ones, and the 340 label on your cable suggests you got one of the later ones. > Three, are these standard 2.5" IDE drives? Could, for example, any > size Seagate be used here? Yes, they're standard. That's why they're available as OEM drives. To fit, the drive has to be 17mm high or less. Most of the 2.5" drives out are 19mm, and some (none over 250 MB last I checked) are 14mm. You *might* be able to fit a 19mm drive without a housing. > Or does the TP BIOS only support certain drive parameters? I was told by two different IBM people (both in notebook development) that the TP will accept any IDE drive that correctly responds to IDE queries for number of heads, cylinders, sectors, etc. i.e. it doesn't rely on a lookup table in the BIOS for the hard drive information - it asks the drive. A BIOS update was necessary for the 540MB and 810MB drives because they exceed the standard IDE size limit of 512MB. The new BIOS allows EIDE drives which can be larger than 512MB. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23108 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:30:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18265; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:27:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:27:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18255; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:27:26 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxntx08157; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:27:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 94 20:14:11 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >If the technical nature of this topic is beginning to bore a majority of >you, speak up so we'll know to take it to email. Indeed. I just thought some people here might be interested in the concept of replacing the innards as an alternative to buying a new one..... >> So inspired, I poped open the case on my HD and took a look, and noticed >Much easier said than done. :-) I gave up until I committed to buying a >new drive. It's not too bad. The trick is to get he two screws first, then lever a flathead jewler's screwdriver into the seam above the first set of snaps. Then the second, then the third. >> Two, very strange - the cable on my 170M drive was labeled 340M. _That_ > >Perhaps this is the reason some people (including me) found that the >connector doesn't exactly fit the new drive. I suspect IBM wstandardized >dimensions between the 170 and 340 drives soon after production. It seems >I got one of the older ones, and the 340 label on your cable suggests you >got one of the later ones. Maybe not so soon... I got my machine a day or two after it was discontinued, so mine may have been very late into the production. >> Three, are these standard 2.5" IDE drives? Could, for example, any >> size Seagate be used here? >Yes, they're standard. That's why they're available as OEM drives. To fit, >the drive has to be 17mm high or less. Most of the 2.5" drives out are >19mm, and some (none over 250 MB last I checked) are 14mm. You *might* be >able to fit a 19mm drive without a housing. Hmmm. My Seagate desk reference is only up to May 94, and the largest 2.5 drive it lists is 330, and that's a 19mm drive. I'll call their BBS and download the newest listing. I may step out to the bookstore and pick up a Computer Shopper too. >> Or does the TP BIOS only support certain drive parameters? > >I was told by two different IBM people (both in notebook development) that >the TP will accept any IDE drive that correctly responds to IDE queries for >number of heads, cylinders, sectors, etc. i.e. it doesn't rely on a lookup >table in the BIOS for the hard drive information - it asks the drive. Does this include the 720? My boss could desperately use an up, even if it's just to 200M. >A BIOS update was necessary for the 540MB and 810MB drives because they >exceed the standard IDE size limit of 512MB. The new BIOS allows EIDE >drives which can be larger than 512MB. I'm glad the BIOS is software upgradable then! ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14196 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:12:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27248; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:11:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:11:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from anu.anu.edu.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27231; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:11:16 -0400 Received: from cscgpo.anu.edu.au by anu.anu.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20661; Sun, 30 Oct 94 14:11:09 EST Received: from huxley.anu.edu.au by cscgpo.anu.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29383; Sun, 30 Oct 94 14:13:57 EST Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 14:13:57 EST From: alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au (Alden S Klovdahl) Message-Id: <9410300313.AA29383@cscgpo.anu.edu.au> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: pentiums? any ideas about ... i) when the ibm pentium notebooks will be out? ii) whether these will be an incremental (eg, new chip only) or more significant (eg, larger displays) up-grade? thanks, al + Alden S. 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Mon Oct 31 14:42:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23539 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:43:03 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03444; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:37:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:37:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin.monsanto.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03434; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:37:54 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin.monsanto.com (5.65/Monsanto1.5) id AA22543; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:34:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:34:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9410300434.AA22543@tin.monsanto.com> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: "tp750@cs.utk.edu"@TIN.monsanto.com Subject: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs I have the new 360Cs with dx2-50 (typing on it now, verrrrry nice) and saw in the book that there are internal modems and soundboard options in various countries. Does anbody which countries? The IBM rep says not the US..... How about Canada or England? Also, has anybody had any luck getting the Colorado Spectrum gameport dongle working on a Thinkpad? It hangs off the serial port.... Thanks ! Simon ///************************************************************************** // /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // /// Daugerty Systems ||| 314-432-8200 office // /// St Louis ||| 314-257-8018 home // /// ||| 314-694-3207 client office // /// All opinions and thoughts are mine and not those of my employer or client / \\\************************************************************************** \\ From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07234 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:55:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07320; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:09:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:09:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07310; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:09:48 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxnwa25024; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:09:42 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 10:12:32 PST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: RE: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >I have the new 360Cs with dx2-50 (typing on it now, verrrrry nice) and >saw in the book that there are internal modems and soundboard options >in various countries. >Does anbody which countries? The IBM rep says not the US..... How >about Canada or England? There _are_ PCMCIA sound options available in the U.S - I've seen them in catalogs. Don't have any near me, however. Anyone looking for a less expensive option should call Surplus Software, who is closing out some of the serial or parallel options for _$50_. Call 1-800-555-1212 to get the number, I don't have it on me. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:14 1994 Received: from longwood.cs.ucf.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08656 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 13:04:27 -0600 Received: by longwood.cs.ucf.edu id AA24517 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:04:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:04:38 -0500 From: Michele Worley Message-Id: <199410301904.AA24517@longwood.cs.ucf.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: "What we have here is a failure to communicate" Newsgroups: alt.quotations In-Reply-To: Organization: University of Central Florida Cc: The film "Cool Hand Luke", spoken by the title character, who is played by Paul Newman. It's also spoken by the warden much earlier in the film. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Michele L. Worley | Standard disclaimers apply. | | worley@cs.ucf.edu | | | UCF Computer Vision Laboratory| | --------------------------------------------------------------------- | God put me on Earth to accomplish a certain number of things. | | Right now I'm so far behind I will never die. | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29967 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:39:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16843; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:48:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:48:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iss.nus.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16833; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:48:49 -0500 Received: from grape.iss.nus.sg by iss.nus.sg (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04544; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:51:43 +0800 From: kcheong@iss.nus.sg (Kevin Cheong) Message-Id: <9410310151.AA04544@iss.nus.sg> Subject: Re: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs - dx2/50? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:51:43 +0800 (SST) In-Reply-To: <9410300434.AA22543@tin.monsanto.com> from "Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207" at Oct 29, 94 11:34:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, just noticed this little bit of info. since my mailer was recently upgraded/modified/lost my mail, can anyone send me details of this "new machine". > I have the new 360Cs with dx2-50 (typing on it now, verrrrry nice) and > /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // cheers, . kevin cheong nlp program institute of systems science . . kevin@iss.nus.sg national university of singapore . From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06134 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:44:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26112; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:54:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:54:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26099; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:53:55 -0500 Received: (from wilsony@localhost) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA16089; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:53:19 +0800 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:53:19 +0800 (SST) From: Wilson Yip Subject: Prices of New 755s To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been considering the prices of the new 755s. The old 755s prices have been reduced by 17% according to a clarinet report but the new ones are just as expensive as before. Its just my thought on the matter that this is probably due to high cost as the thinkpad notebooks are manufactured in Japan. It seems ironic to me that while a Japanese company like Toshiba would produce their notebooks in the US for that market, an American company like IBM would do exactly the opposite. Lets face it, Thinkpad owners like us have been hit by the high yen in in as much as owners of Toshiba notebooks have been enjoying the benefits of being insulated from foreign exchange rate fluctuations. I also venture to suggest that the reason why TPs are manufactured in Japan in the first place is because the concept and original development is largely a matter of IBM Japan. I wonder whether IBM intends to move production away from that country, dollar for dollar the PC Company cant be making as good a return on capital as their nearest competitor in the field of notebooks. I for one look forward to the day when Thinkpads can be produced in a country with a weak currency but with the same high quality as its now. .---------------- Wilson Yip ---------------------, | ____ ,__o | Internet: wilsony@singnet.com.sg | | ____ _-\_<, |----------------------------------| | (*)/'(*) | Singapore Fax: (65)225-0032 | `---------------------------------------------------' From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08245 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 07:15:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27980; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 07:25:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 07:25:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27960; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 07:25:29 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA13729; Mon, 31 Oct 94 07:25:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 07:25:23 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410311225.AA13729@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, wilsony@singnet.com.sg Subject: Re: Prices of New 755s Wilson, you seem to be confused between price and cost. Sure the cost maybe influenced by the place of manufacture, but the price is established by the market equilibrium combined with a judgment of its elasticity. Right now, since IBM can sell all the THinkpads it can make, at the price it is asking for, it is meaningless to speculate about reducing costs, that clearly wouldn't result in a price reduction, just in a higher margin. Sure, when there is sufficient competition, things will be different. That's what will affect the price! From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23675 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:04:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07990; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:53:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:53:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07979; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:53:28 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r1y6C-0004uGC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:52 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r1y6A-0009b1C; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:52 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1y69-0002wvC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:52 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Connector To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 08:52:36 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, People interested in tp75x connectors, the following should help.... > George, The info I have is FOXCON pn qd61 33s1 26 pin Slim D connector. I don't > know anything about sourcing or pricing. Hope this helps. I think that this is the floppy connector (option bay). The connector on the disk appears to be the same style. Someone needs to count the number of pins (i.e. ~34). -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25880 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:09:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07656; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:48:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:48:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07618; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:48:52 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r1y1i-0004uFC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:48 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r1y1h-0009b1C; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:48 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1y1g-0002wvC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:48 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 08:48:00 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 29, 94 08:14:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> Three, are these standard 2.5" IDE drives? Could, for example, any > >> size Seagate be used here? > >Yes, they're standard. That's why they're available as OEM drives. To fit, > >the drive has to be 17mm high or less. Most of the 2.5" drives out are > >19mm, and some (none over 250 MB last I checked) are 14mm. You *might* be > >able to fit a 19mm drive without a housing. > Hmmm. My Seagate desk reference is only up to May 94, and the largest 2.5 > drive it lists is 330, and that's a 19mm drive. I'll call their BBS and > download the newest listing. I may step out to the bookstore and pick up a > Computer Shopper too. I am not aware of any non-IBM high capacity 2.5" drives which 17mm high. There is a rumer that Hitachi (sp?) has one. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26976 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:11:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07497; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:47:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:47:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07487; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:46:59 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r1xzo-0004uAC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:46 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r1xzm-0009b1C; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:46 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1xzl-0002wvC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:46 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 08:46:01 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 30, 94 10:12:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There _are_ PCMCIA sound options available in the U.S - I've seen them in > catalogs. Don't have any near me, however. Anyone looking for a less > expensive option should call Surplus Software, who is closing out some of the > serial or parallel options for _$50_. Call 1-800-555-1212 to get the number, > I don't have it on me. Be careful, these will only give you the capability that the 750 has, not full sound blaster. In other words, you will not be able to play just any game. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13215 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:48:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16435; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:31:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:31:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin.monsanto.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16425; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:31:08 -0500 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin.monsanto.com (5.65/Monsanto1.5) id AA24162; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:26:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:26:26 -0600 Message-Id: <9410311626.AA24162@tin.monsanto.com> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: "tp750@CS.UTK.EDU"@tin.monsanto.com Subject: Re: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs - dx2/50? Hi Kevin! Its a 360, but IBM has upgraded the chip to a DX2-50. VESA local bus, 1Mb VRAM. You can buy the previous SX33 360, or the new DX250 360. My '360CSE' 340Meg,4M,DX2-50 dual scan cost $3049, and it sure is nice! About a week before the new 360 was announced, IBM dropped the prices om the SX33 model. I think the annoucement was the 17th, and mine came through on the 27th - not bad at all! The WWW server for IBM has more details, and around the 17th somebody (thanks!) sent a long technical document on the new models. >> just noticed this little bit of info. since my mailer was recently >>upgraded/modified/lost my mail, can anyone send me details of this "new >>machine". > I have the new 360Cs with dx2-50 (typing on it now, verrrrry nice) and > /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // cheers, . kevin cheong nlp program institute of systems science . . kevin@iss.nus.sg national university of singapore . From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:47 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07539 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:35:49 -0600 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16636; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:27:47 -0600 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa22805; 31 Oct 94 13:05 EST Received: from bosserv.bos.locus.com by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa22787; 31 Oct 94 13:05 EST Received: from lccsd.sd.locus.com by bosserv.bos.locus.com id aa28043; 31 Oct 94 12:59 EST Received: by lccsd.sd.locus.com (5.61-AIX-1.2/ @(#)sendmail.cf 1.11 4/12/91 (lccsd)) id AA166086; Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:07:08 -0800 From: "Bruce M. Binder" Message-Id: <9410311807.AA166086@lccsd.sd.locus.com> Subject: Doublespace Problem, Minimum Windows To: tp500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:07:05 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1394 ThinkPadders: 1. I run Borland C++ under Windows, and also a bunch of DOS applications. They do not all fit on the 170 Mb hard drive of my TP500 with all the junk shipped with the machine. 2. I installed Doublespace that came with the machine, but when my machine crashed due to a programming error in a program I was working on, Doublespace reported errors on the compressed drive, took three hours to analyze, scan, and correct the error, and still lost my entire WordPerfect directory. 3. I wish to get rid of Doublespace, yet still fit everything, including Windows, on my hard drive. I'm willing to reinstall the whole thing from scratch, as I really want to get rid of the stuff that came preinstalled and did not come with an uninstall program. My questions: How do I install Windows in it's absolute minimum-disk-usage configuration? Does anyone have a pointer to a book, or magazine article? I've seen suggestions about removing extra screen drivers, etc.--is there a list somewhere of everything I can remove? Can I get rid of a lot of the Windows applications, such as Solitaire, Minesweeper, Write, Terminal, etc? Any advice appreciated. ___ __ __ ___ ( ,)( \/ )( ,) Bruce M. Binder ) ,\ ) ( ) ,\ Locus Computing Corporation (619) 546-9509 (___/(_/\/\_)(___/ San Diego, California From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02549 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:29:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23826; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:06:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:06:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mailgate.exnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23794; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:06:15 -0500 Received: from exnet.com (assam.exnet.com) by mailgate.exnet.com with SMTP id AA07027 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:05:55 GMT Received: from fonix.UUCP by exnet.com with UUCP id AA19174 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:05:49 GMT To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: rss750a*.dsk files From: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Message-Id: <2570.150.uupcb@fonix.org> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:58:00 -0100 Organization: FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, UK ~ +44 (344) 306986/7/8/9 Reply-To: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Dear All, Can anyone shed some light on what the following two files do : rss750a1.dsk 1215529 28-07-94 ibm thinkpad 360/750/755 system program service diskette v1.07 rss750a2.dsk 1248193 19-10-94 ibm thinkpad 360/750/755 system program service diskette v1.11 I don't want to just run them on my 360, and then find that I didn't need to.... Regards --- . CMPQwk 1.42-13 9237 . Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, Berkshire UK ~ +44 (0)344 306986 12 lines! | | 9 Gig - RsaNET - ILink - RIME (->FONIX) - FidoNET (2:252/171) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 17:16:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24134 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:16:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26635; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:48:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:47:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26620; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:47:56 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA11902; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:47:45 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:48:20 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <49701.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Connector In message Mon, 31 Oct 1994 08:52:36 -0600 (CST), strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) writes: >> George, The info I have is FOXCON pn qd61 33s1 26 pin Slim D connector. >> I don't know anything about sourcing or pricing. Hope this helps. > > I think that this is the floppy connector (option bay). The connector on > the disk appears to be the same style. Someone needs to count the number > of pins (i.e. ~34). The hard drive's D connector has 30 pins on each side for a total of 60. I don't recall how many pins were on the IDE connector on the physical hard drive. Perhaps someone is willing to pop their drive box open again? The floppy drive has more pins than the hard drive is wide. The same style, but definitely not the same size. I've found a list of companies that make this kind of stuff and I'm trying to find their individual catalogs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 17:16:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06438 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 15:48:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01556; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:46:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:46:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01546; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:46:21 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA00555; Mon, 31 Oct 94 12:45:37 MST Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 12:45:37 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410311945.AA00555@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: rss750a*.dsk files > Can anyone shed some light on what the following two files do : > rss750a1.dsk 1215529 28-07-94 ibm thinkpad 360/750/755 system program > service diskette v1.07 > rss750a2.dsk 1248193 19-10-94 ibm thinkpad 360/750/755 system program > service diskette v1.11 These are two intermediate BIOS upgrades, of which there are many. (The most current version for the 360/750/755 family is V1.13). IBM has always amazed me with the frequency with which they make these upgrades available. It seems I had just installed V1.11 when V1.13 was released. (Actually, the time frame was about three weeks, but three weeks isn't much of a lifespan!) > I don't want to just run them on my 360, and then find that I didn't > need to.... Well, you don't really need to, but it's not a bad idea to keep current with these upgrades, as they include bug fixes as well as occasional new functionality. I don't see any reason to upgrade incrementally, however; just skip over versions 1.07 - 1.11 and go directly to V1.13. Good luck, _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | "True perfection can be Denver, CO. 80201 | found in the details"