From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 10:05:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23680 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:05:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00504; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:24:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:24:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00497; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:24:45 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA01667 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 07:24:42 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA07106 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 07:24:41 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408011424.HAA07106@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: MIDI audio with TP750C To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I don't know what the rest of you think, but that MIDI audio in the TP750 *stinks*. Does anyone else feel the same? (I am speaking of under Windows). Has there been any major improvements in more recent audio driver releases? ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 10:44:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04021 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:44:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03374; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03340; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:38 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3585; Mon, 01 Aug 94 11:02:29 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 9235; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:29 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 01 Aug 94 11:02:26 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA20609; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:20 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9408011502.AA20609@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Megahertz prices Status: OR for those interested, here are the prices on the Megahertz modem from last Tuesday's NY Times. However, don't ask me about the reputation/sleaze factor involved with these places, I just don't know!! Tri State Computer, 800 433-5199 XJ1144 $179 XJ2144 $199 47 Street Photo, 800-235-5016 XJ1144 $199 Also, I have seen cheap prices (under $200) at CompUSA and J&R Computer World. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 11:58:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28161 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:58:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08949; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:13:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:13:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08933; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:13:34 -0400 From: Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxbca22246; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:13:15 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29152; Mon, 1 Aug 94 09:03:36 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA15225; Mon, 1 Aug 94 09:13:59 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19287; Mon, 1 Aug 94 09:11:07 PDT Message-Id: <9408011611.AA19287@opus.objy.com> To: arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (Arturo J. Morales) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Making A Full DOS Boot Disk while using OS/2 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 30 Jul 94 23:15:02 EDT." <9407310315.AA00873@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 94 09:11:04 -0700 Status: OR > > I'm running OS/2 2.1, and as most of you know already, some, if not all > dos applications that use Sound (soundblaster and such) are very obnoxious > when running from within OS/2 (even in a DOS full screen session). The > only solution I can think of, is to have a DOS boot disk with all the > DOS drivers installed (mouse, audio, etc) for the TP750. Here's the catch, > how do I do this when i don't have a bootable DOS partition in the TP? > i have access to other PC's, but i don't know if the install disks will > install the audio features on another non TP computer so that i > can then copy the drivers to my floppy... Any suggestions? How about using dual-boot? This allows both DOS and OS/2 to coexist on the same drive and switching is accomplished via the "boot" command. All it really does is swap in the appropriate loader (a hidden file) and config.sys into the root directory and reboot. I've used it for a couple of years now and am quite pleased with it. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 14:31:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14893 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:31:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17410; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:15:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:15:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17389; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:15:19 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27748; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:11:46 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <40548.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Future of Thinkpads? Status: OR A recent posting in the OS/2 newsgroups said according to the author's contacts at IBM and/or stuff he'd read in OS/2 magazines, IBM is going to build Personal Dictation System (voice recognition) hardware into its future Thinkpads. And I was hoping I wouldn't have to replace my 750 for a few years. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 14:44:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19195 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:44:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19157; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:40:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:40:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19143; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:40:17 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA28197 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:39:58 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199408011839.AA28197@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: MIDI audio with TP750C To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:39:57 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199408011424.HAA07106@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Aug 1, 94 07:24:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I don't know what the rest of you think, but that MIDI audio > in the TP750 *stinks*. Does anyone else feel the same? (I am speaking > of under Windows). Has there been any major improvements in more recent > audio driver releases? This is the FIRST thing that John Kim and I agreed on in regards to TP audio! Before the list was made in fact. I haven't noticed any improvement, but hopefully, they will work on the audio more! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 15:38:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07365 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 15:38:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14751; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:47:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:47:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14740; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:47:19 -0400 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA19768; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:47:15 +0200 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id TAA27195 (8.6.9/); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:47:14 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:47:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199408011747.TAA27195@asimov.cnam.fr> To: stevens@watson.ibm.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Megahertz prices Status: OR 47 th street photo, in my experience don't have best prices, but they don't screw the walk-in customer either. They also sell you latest models rather than old junk, eve if you are not smart enough to know better. This is why european types like me love them. Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 11:49:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01291 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 11:49:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11751; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 11:55:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 11:55:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11733; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 11:55:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA20353 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 01:55:13 +1000 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 01:55:06 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: prolonging battery life To: tp750 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I've just placed the order with IBM for a TP360. I'm now looking for a wordprocessor that's battery friendly. I currently use Word 2.0c, but it appears to be too disk intensive for my little battery. Toshiba took pleasure in telling me Claris Works only fires up the hard drive for saves and loads, but I know noone that can verify this. IF anyone has found a battery friendly windows based wordprocessor could they please let me know. I'd still use Word for my presentation quality work (hell I've paid for it I may as well use it!), so the wordprocessor doesn't need to be a DTP system! --- Rohan Davidson "On the way to the station this morning I passed a couple of bums. It hurt quite a bit at first, but I soon got over it." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 12:34:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14050 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:34:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14548; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:37:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:36:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14528; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:36:50 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12662; Tue, 2 Aug 94 12:36:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 94 12:36:39 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408021636.AA12662@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 755C first impressions Status: OR I just took delivery of a 755C from Rockwell Computers in NYC (which is an authorized dealer, they had it in stock). I paid about $5400 for the base machine with a 170MB drive I added a 32MB card ($2400, which is a bit high, but I really didn't feel like running around, and preferred to get a package from the dealer) I added an 810MB hard disk ($1885, which I think is a fairly reasonable price, I have seen much higher quotes). The disk and memory were not in stock, but arrived overnight, so I got it the next day. The TFT is pixel perfect, which is nice, my previous 750C had two bad pixels. Of course pixels can go bad, so we will see. By the way, the 810 M drive arrived with a little rubber bumper that needs to be installed on a 750 or earlier machine to minimize disk vibration. SOunds like it might be an idea to install this rubber bumper on earlier machines regardless. Very nice machine. More than twice the speed of the 750C, and all seems to be working fine. Same batteries as the 750C, don't know enough to comment on battery life yet. Does anyone know what the story is on the 100MHz upgrade for this machine? Incidentally, my information is that IBM is not shipping machines with the 810M drive installed, so I have ended up with an extra 170MB drive from this transaction! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 16:25:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21406 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:25:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02655; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:42:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:42:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02643; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:42:34 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA03967 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:42:18 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24021; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:43:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: OEM drives for thinkpads To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I found the following q&a on IBM's talklink service. Does anyone know if there are OEM drives for the 700/720? If so the same manufacturer may make them for the 750. I cannot believe this particular document since the 700/720 use ESDI drives not IDE. Perhaps an internal IBM'er can get the name of the OEM referred to in this doc. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu Item 2703N Document ID Q654154 TITLE: 940208 240 MEG DRIVES FOR THE THINKPAD ....[2 questions deleted] Also, there is a third-party that says they have 340 meg IDE drives that will work with the thinkpad 700C, 720C. I know that IBM would not support this, but have you heard of any larger drives for the thinkpad? ---------- ---------- ---------- --------- ---------- ---------- As for 3rd party drives, we are not in a position to comment. It is entirely possible for an OEM vendor to have hard drives that will work in our systems, but, before you consider purchasing such, you need to confirm that they have tested their product in the system you have, and that they will support it if there is any problem. ---------- ---------- ---------- --------- ---------- ---------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 21:04:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05943 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:04:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19325; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:26:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:26:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc8.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19318; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:26:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:20:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Malaby Subject: Swapfile question... To: Thinkpad Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello Everyone: I just received my TP360cs yesterday, and I'm very happy with it (even though it was a month late). Many thanks to all who responded to my previous post on fax/modems; I'm waiting until about three weeks before I leave the country before I buy it to get the lowest price. Anyway, my first question is about the swapfile option in windows (which I just saw mentioned a few posts ago). I swore by it on my old 386SX, but on this machine, I was afraid it would invite hard disk access, and thus lower battery life. Can someone set me straight? BTW, I have 8MB RAM and a 170MB HD with plenty of room. Thanks in advance. malaby@husc.harvard.edu Department of Anthropology, Harvard University "The plate of the hunter, the gambler, and the fisherman is nine times empty and one time full." --Cretan Proverb From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 21:24:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10575 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:24:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20431; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:48:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:48:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20424; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:48:21 -0400 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA00676; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:48:16 +0200 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id DAA12913 (8.6.9/ for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:48:14 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:48:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199408030148.DAA12913@asimov.cnam.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: stacked ramdisk Status: OR has anyone tried putting windows in a stacked ramdisk? is this possible? Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 21:34:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12458 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:34:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15131; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:15:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:15:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15113; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:15:15 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA08148; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:15:05 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA20890; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:14:57 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408030014.RAA20890@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: prolonging battery life To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au (Rohan Davidson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Rohan Davidson" at Aug 3, 94 01:55:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > I've just placed the order with IBM for a TP360. I'm now looking for a > wordprocessor that's battery friendly. I currently use Word 2.0c, but it > appears to be too disk intensive for my little battery. Toshiba took > pleasure in telling me Claris Works only fires up the hard drive for saves > and loads, but I know noone that can verify this. IF anyone has found a > battery friendly windows based wordprocessor could they please let me > know. I'd still use Word for my presentation quality work (hell I've > paid for it I may as well use it!), so the wordprocessor doesn't need to > be a DTP system! Having more memory makes a big difference--otherwise the disk activity you see may well be the swapfile activity. I use Ami Pro with no apparent disk activity (but I also have 12 MB) except for saves, loads, and spell checks. Maybe something else, but certainly not a lot. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 3 00:36:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10439 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 00:36:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27735; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:42:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:42:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27727; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:42:39 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA18483; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:42:36 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id UAA11667; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:42:35 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408030342.UAA11667@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: stacked ramdisk To: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: <199408030148.DAA12913@asimov.cnam.fr> from "Edmund Ronald" at Aug 3, 94 03:48:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > has anyone tried putting windows in a stacked ramdisk? is this possible? > Edmund. I haven't tried doing it--and I wouldn't, unless I had a veritable *buttload* of memory. If you use up all of it putting Windows on a RAM disk its sort of self-defeating because Windows will immediately start swapping to disk. Then there's the time of when you boot up, copying everything to the RAM disk, and when you're done, re-copying everything back to the hard drive before shutdown (otherwise you'd lose all modifications in .INI files, etc.). Too much trouble, if you ask me... ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 03:15:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21318 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:15:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10957; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:34:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:34:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10950; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:34:46 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA19542 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 02:34:27 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199408030734.AA19542@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: stacked ramdisk To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 02:34:26 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199408030342.UAA11667@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Aug 2, 94 08:42:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I haven't tried doing it--and I wouldn't, unless I had a veritable > *buttload* of memory. If you use up all of it putting Windows on a RAM > disk its sort of self-defeating because Windows will immediately start > swapping to disk. Now, to get it on a flash card is a whole different story! :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 10:53:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24059 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:53:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14162; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:58:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:58:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14134; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:58:06 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA11390; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 07:58:02 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA14849; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 07:58:00 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408031458.HAA14849@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: stacked ramdisk To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 07:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199408030734.AA19542@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Aug 3, 94 02:34:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > I haven't tried doing it--and I wouldn't, unless I had a veritable > > *buttload* of memory. If you use up all of it putting Windows on a RAM > > disk its sort of self-defeating because Windows will immediately start > > swapping to disk. > > Now, to get it on a flash card is a whole different story! :) And a very *expensive* one too! Also, Flash memory (I know this from having a 5MB Flash Card in my HP 100 LX) is *very* slow to write to (faster than a floppy disk write, but not by a whole lot), although its a pretty quick read. So, considering the write speed, Flash wouldn't be a real good solution (unless you're on an HP Omnibook--there's not much other choice!). ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 12:21:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18601 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:20:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20331; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:17:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:17:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20307; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:16:58 -0400 Subject: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:16:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9408031216.aa22999@dogmead.excelsior.com> Status: OR I went ahead and purchased a 540 megabyte IBM OEM drive from Micro Machines for $695, and replaced my 360Cs' 170 megabyte drive. No problems in the installation (the form factors are identical) and the device appears to work just fine. The only oddity so far is that 32 bit disk access no longer works in Windows for Workgroups -- the WDCTL device driver complains about a phase error at 07,1F when starting up. Anybody have any hints on that one? Turning off 32 bit access permits WfW to start up normally. As previously posted on the list: Micro Machines 2120 Howell Ave, Suite 404-405 Anaheim, CA 92806 (714) 978-2220 Here are some drive specs: DHAA-2540 P/N 84G2983 MLC D43825 540 megabytes: 1047 cyl, 16 heads, 63 sec/track, 12 msec avg. sec. Of course, I now have a 2.5" 170 megabyte drive without a case :-( Has anybody been successful in prying one of the bare cases out of IBM yet? I note that there are three part numbers on my removable drive case sticker: FRU P/N 66G5066 ASM P/N 66G2652 66G3767 Maybe one of these corresponds to just the plastic case (and cable?) -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 12:57:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29200 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:57:29 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23500; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:01:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:01:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23490; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:01:07 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA06881 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:01:03 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA02982; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:02:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9408031216.aa22999@dogmead.excelsior.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Tim Tyhurst wrote: > I went ahead and purchased a 540 megabyte IBM OEM drive from Micro > Machines for $695, and replaced my 360Cs' 170 megabyte drive. No problems in > the installation (the form factors are identical) and the device appears > to work just fine. The only oddity so far is that 32 bit disk access no > longer works in Windows for Workgroups -- the WDCTL device driver complains > about a phase error at 07,1F when starting up. Anybody have any hints > on that one? Turning off 32 bit access permits WfW to start up normally. Perhaps someone should start buying the 170MB drives from IBM, take off the casing, then buy the 810MB OEM drive from IBM without the case and then sell the 810MB drive with the case. I bet it would still be cheaper than buying the 810MB drive directly from IBM. As for the 32bit disk access problem, I remember reading somewhere (maybe here on this list) that it would not work with drives larger than ~512MB. Seems odd to me because I thought 32bit means you can address up to 4GB (at least thats the way it works with memory). Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 12:58:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:58:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23082; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:54:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:54:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23075; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:54:32 -0400 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11915; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:48:37 -0500 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA125577; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:51:18 -0500 From: gbu@lochness.uhc.com (Gary Udstrand) Message-Id: <9408031651.AA125577@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: Re: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads To: tim@excelsior.com (Tim Tyhurst) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:51:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9408031216.aa22999@dogmead.excelsior.com> from "Tim Tyhurst" at Aug 3, 94 12:16:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Status: OR The number of cylinders on the 540 exceeds what 32 bit access will work with. You need to divide your rive into two or more logical volumes with neither on exceeding 512 MB (I think). [ Tim Tyhurst said : ] -> -> I went ahead and purchased a 540 megabyte IBM OEM drive from Micro -> Machines for $695, and replaced my 360Cs' 170 megabyte drive. No problems in -> the installation (the form factors are identical) and the device appears -> to work just fine. The only oddity so far is that 32 bit disk access no -> longer works in Windows for Workgroups -- the WDCTL device driver complains -> about a phase error at 07,1F when starting up. Anybody have any hints -> on that one? Turning off 32 bit access permits WfW to start up normally. -> -> As previously posted on the list: -> -> Micro Machines -> 2120 Howell Ave, Suite 404-405 -> Anaheim, CA -> 92806 -> (714) 978-2220 -> -> Here are some drive specs: -> -> DHAA-2540 -> P/N 84G2983 -> MLC D43825 -> 540 megabytes: 1047 cyl, 16 heads, 63 sec/track, 12 msec avg. sec. -> -> Of course, I now have a 2.5" 170 megabyte drive without a case :-( -> Has anybody been successful in prying one of the bare cases out of IBM yet? -> I note that there are three part numbers on my removable drive case sticker: -> -> FRU P/N 66G5066 -> ASM P/N 66G2652 -> 66G3767 -> -> Maybe one of these corresponds to just the plastic case (and cable?) -> -> -- -> Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com -> -- __ __ | | o | | Gary Udstrand | | \|/ | | AT&T: (612) 945-6523 Advanced Technology, IS&T | \(_)/ | Fax: (612) 945-6502 United HealthCare Corp \_________/ E-Mail: gbu@uhc.com "A sufficiently high level of technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 14:06:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19469 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:06:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27047; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:12:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:12:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27038; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:12:29 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02793; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:09:04 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:13:09 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <40389.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads Status: OR In message Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:02:05 -0400 (EDT), Joshua Hosseinoff writes: > As for the 32bit disk access problem, I remember reading somewhere (maybe > here on this list) that it would not work with drives larger than > ~512MB. Seems odd to me because I thought 32bit means you can address up > to 4GB (at least thats the way it works with memory). 512 MB is an IDE specification limit. The newer IDE drives get around it by using Western Digital's enhanced IDE specification, which uses the BIOS. 32-bit disk access bypasses the BIOS so it won't work. This is also why the TP750 will need a flash BIOS upgrade before it can use the larger drives. (The 360 and 755 already have the updated BIOS) If you really really want 32-bit disk access, you should be able to partition your disk as 512 MB (waste the remaining 28 MB). When did Micro Machines get the 540 MB drives? They didn't have any a month ago. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. 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They also sell the OEM hard drives believe. The place was: Data Storage Marketing 5718 Central Avenue Boulder, CO 80301 800-543-6098 Ask for Brad Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 17:00:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16299 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:00:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11133; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:12:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:12:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11028; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:12:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst In-Reply-To: <40389.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Aug 3, 94 11:13:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9408031711.aa28684@dogmead.excelsior.com> Status: OR > 512 MB is an IDE specification limit. The newer IDE drives get around it by > using Western Digital's enhanced IDE specification, which uses the BIOS. > 32-bit disk access bypasses the BIOS so it won't work. This is also why the > TP750 will need a flash BIOS upgrade before it can use the larger drives. > (The 360 and 755 already have the updated BIOS) Ah, that explains it. Actually, at first, the problem looked worse than it was, because I had the 1024x768x256 driver installed. When the WfW driver complained, it tried to write its message in text mode, but that just garbled the video mode. It then waited for me to press Enter, but I had no idea it was waiting... anyway, you get the idea. That might be handy to remember in other cases, too -- if Windows appears to hang silently at startup, make sure you have the standard VGA driver installed so you can see any potential driver startup complaints. > If you really really want 32-bit disk access, you should be able to > partition your disk as 512 MB (waste the remaining 28 MB). What? Waste a whole 28 MB? I don't think so! :-) But actually, my primary DOS partition is currently only 360 megabytes -- I've set aside the rest for another operating system. I may try more experiments when I have time, though. > When did Micro Machines get the 540 MB drives? They didn't have any a month > ago. Well, I called them asking about the 340 MB devices, and they didn't have any, but said they could get them, so I just asked them if they could get a 540 MB drive instead. No problem -- they shipped it within a couple of days of my placing the order. I'm a satisfied customer. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 4 06:40:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27842 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 4 Aug 1994 06:40:52 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06117; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 07:06:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 07:06:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ntt.jp by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06108; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 07:06:18 -0400 Received: by mail.ntt.jp (8.6.9/COREMAIL.4); Thu, 4 Aug 1994 20:06:10 +0900 Received: by gulag.ntt.jp (8.6.9/core*brl.mx12) with TCP; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 20:06:09 +0900 Received: by will.ntt.jp (4.1/core*brl.s7) with TCP; Thu, 4 Aug 94 20:04:32 JST Message-Id: <9408041104.AA14807@will.ntt.jp> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: iwasaki@will.ntt.jp Subject: IPMD on th750c Date: Thu, 04 Aug 94 20:04:32 +0900 From: IWASAKI Yuzuru Status: OR I'm new to this mailing list. I have Think pad 750c with 20mb ram and dock running OS/2 J2.11 (Japanese version of OS/2 2.11). TP750 is fine itself, but I have some trouble using IPMD (OS/2 debugger). IPMD dose not work with th750c, it stopps as soon as I begin the debugging session. Toll free IBM call said that tp750 had hardware trouble with using IPMD. Is it true? Dose anyone run IPMD on tp750 ? --------------------------------------- Iwasaki Yuzuru {+81-462,0462}-40-3526 FAX:{+81-462,0462}-40-4719 iwasaki@will.NTT.jp --------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 4 13:21:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23641 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 4 Aug 1994 13:21:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27991; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 12:39:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 12:39:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27984; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 12:39:36 -0400 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id JAA22548; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:39:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: IPMD on th750c To: IWASAKI Yuzuru Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, iwasaki@will.ntt.jp In-Reply-To: <9408041104.AA14807@will.ntt.jp> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Curious I have exactly your configuration and have run IPMD without problems. I have all of the latest CSD'd applied so maybe this would help you. The CSD's can be found at ftp-os2.cdrom.com Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, IWASAKI Yuzuru wrote: > I'm new to this mailing list. I have Think pad 750c with 20mb ram > and dock running OS/2 J2.11 (Japanese version of OS/2 2.11). TP750 > is fine itself, but I have some trouble using IPMD (OS/2 debugger). > IPMD dose not work with th750c, it stopps as soon as I begin the debugging > session. Toll free IBM call said that tp750 had hardware trouble with > using IPMD. Is it true? Dose anyone run IPMD on tp750 ? > > --------------------------------------- > Iwasaki Yuzuru > {+81-462,0462}-40-3526 FAX:{+81-462,0462}-40-4719 > iwasaki@will.NTT.jp > --------------------------------------- > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 4 22:51:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19974 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 4 Aug 1994 22:50:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10439; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 23:07:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 23:07:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from handel.cs.colostate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10432; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 23:07:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199408050307.XAA10432@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by handel.cs.colostate.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25353; Thu, 4 Aug 94 21:08:32 -0600 From: joseph foss Subject: Suggestions on Memory Manager To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 4 Aug 94 21:08:31 MDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: OR I have been put in charge of getting our new managers TP750c onto our token ring LAN. Since he gets to call the shots he chose Windows as his enviroment of choice instead of OS/2. Because of DOS's built in short comings the Thinkpad configuration breaks everytime he installs something new. Ive configured his 750c with IBM's LSP and lan requestor, the standard suite of socket and cardservice drivers for dos, the SVGA drivers and the CD-ROM drivers. Hes also running pc3270 for windows, ACK! Unfortunately the cd-rom breaks most everything. I dont have to much experience with DOS, mainly OS/2 and Un*x, and would really appreciate a hand in choosing a 3rd party memory manager or a finding a way to get himem.sys and emm386.sys to divy out memory better. All of the other 750's Ive setup under OS/2 have been snaps and have yet to land back on my desk for modifications to the software configuration. However his has been like a boomer-rang. Im getting fustrated, hes piss-off. Equipment list 750c Dock I CD-ROM 20Mgs RAM ~300Mg HD 16/4 PCMCIA IBM token ring adaptor. 14.4 PCMCIA MegaHertz X/jack modem? BEGIN SOAPBOX If he says he wants Chicago I think Ill barf on his shoes since I can install OS/2 under site license for damn near free; AND it works! END SOAPBOX Thanks for your help. Joe Foss fossj@handel.cs.colostate.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 5 06:11:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06116 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:10:58 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10554; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:35:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:35:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pobox.ucs.umass.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10543; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:35:24 -0400 Received: from titan.ucs.umass.edu by pobox.ucs.umass.edu (PMDF V4.3-8 #6523) id <01HFJH53O2KW00LKBK@pobox.ucs.umass.edu>; Fri, 05 Aug 1994 06:35:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (dtodd@localhost) by titan.ucs.umass.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id GAA18082 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:35:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 06:35:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Todd" Subject: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199408051035.GAA18082@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Someone selling a tp700 said that the processor could be doubled, and I hand't seen anything about that before. Is it true? what about the 750? And if it is true, are the "overdrive" chips proprietary? What about heat problems? Thanks. ._________________________________________________________________. | David M. Todd David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU | | Department of Psychology DTodd@Titan.UCS.UMass.EDU | | University of Massachusetts Phone: 413/545-0158 | |_Amherst, MA 01003 USA_________________________Fax: 413/545-0996_| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 5 08:19:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12649 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:19:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16468; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:34:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:34:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16450; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:34:32 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA22711 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:34:26 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23180; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:35:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? To: "David M. Todd" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199408051035.GAA18082@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR The 700 can be doubled. In fact I just did it on mine 2 days ago. You can get it for $99 from IBM factory outlet (800-426-7015). The part is 54G0935 for the 700C, or 54G1032 for the 700. The price used to be $525 so get it while you still can. It's a user installable kit, and it come with a handy chip removal tool. The whole process including the required reinstallation of the reference diskette took less than 1/2 hour. As for the 750 there is no processor upgrade. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu On Fri, 5 Aug 1994, David M. Todd wrote: > Someone selling a tp700 said that the processor could be doubled, and > I hand't seen anything about that before.Is it true? what about the > 750?And if it is true, are the "overdrive" chips proprietary? What > about heat problems? > > Thanks. > ._________________________________________________________________. > | David M. Todd David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU | > | Department of Psychology DTodd@Titan.UCS.UMass.EDU | > | University of Massachusetts Phone: 413/545-0158 | > |_Amherst, MA 01003 USA_________________________Fax: 413/545-0996_| > > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 5 13:53:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04706 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:53:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12099; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:35:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:35:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12069; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:34:52 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18744; Fri, 5 Aug 94 13:34:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 94 13:34:26 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408051734.AA18744@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: david.todd@psych.umass.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? Status: OR 700 can be doubled to be equivalent to 720, i.e. it uses the 25/50 IBM SLC processor. Note this processor uses a 16-bit bus, so it is not as fast as it sounds! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 5 18:55:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10464 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 18:55:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07868; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 19:23:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 19:23:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07858; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 19:23:49 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08926; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 16:20:15 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 16:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <59059.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? Status: OR In message Fri, 5 Aug 94 13:34:26 -0400, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) writes: > 700 can be doubled to be equivalent to 720, i.e. it uses the 25/50 IBM > SLC processor. Note this processor uses a 16-bit bus, so it is not > as fast as it sounds! It also has a 16k cache (the Intel 486?X and ?X2 processors have an 8k cache), so it is not as slow as it sounds either. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 01:35:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17662 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:35:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28174; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:43:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:43:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28167; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:43:26 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA21507; Sat, 6 Aug 94 01:43:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 94 01:43:12 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408060543.AA21507@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? Status: OR "it [25/50 SLC] is not as slow as it sounds. To put this in some perspective, the 750 is a lot faster than the 720 so that means that a 33MHz DX is faster than the 25/50 SLC. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 10:23:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21954 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:22:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11629; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:45:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:45:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from brolga.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11608; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:45:23 -0400 Received: from brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (actually localhost) by brolga.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Sun, 7 Aug 1994 00:45:12 +1000 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 00:45:08 +1000 (EST) From: Anthony Murdoch Subject: OS/2 Performance Edition & PCMCIA modems in TP750 To: TP In-Reply-To: <199408030014.RAA20890@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hi all, I finally received my extra 4MB of RAM for my Thinkpad 750, so I immediately installed the OS/2 performance edition that I've been waiting to install (actually, it's been installed on my desktop for a couple of weeks). It works pretty well (even in this measly 8MB RAM), but what really surprised me was that the PCMCIA support recognises my IBM Fax/Modem (Banksia rebadged). I had heard that it was necessary to run a DOS session with the DOS drivers in it and then it was possible to use COM2 from OS2 programs. But I didn't need to do that at all. I installed the OS2 utilities from the support disk (1.2 I think) and easyplay recognised the card straight off. Seems to work without a hitch (I'm using it as I type). Anyhow, I just thought you'd like to know. Cheers ant From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 14:16:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15952 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:16:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26157; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:38:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:38:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26150; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:38:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA17895 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 7 Aug 1994 04:38:20 +1000 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 04:38:15 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: magnetic interference and laptops. To: tp750 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I have a twist to the question that seems to be as old as laptops themselves. I've heard many opinions on whether airport x-ray machines effect the workings of a laptop, but never seen any opinions on those 3M thingies they seem to hold so dear in university libraries: the ones that detect uncleared books passing through some sort of a field. Does this pose no risk or should one make sure the laptop doesn't pass through these? Anyone with any experience? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 14:39:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18172 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:39:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28010; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:01:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:01:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jazz.epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27992; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:01:12 -0400 Received: by jazz.epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA29063; Sat, 6 Aug 94 15:00:52 -0400 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9408061900.AA29063@jazz.epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: magnetic interference and laptops. To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au (Rohan Davidson) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Rohan Davidson" at Aug 7, 94 04:38:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR It has been written by the hand of Rohan Davidson that: > >I have a twist to the question that seems to be as old as laptops >themselves. I've heard many opinions on whether airport x-ray machines >effect the workings of a laptop, but never seen any opinions on those 3M >thingies they seem to hold so dear in university libraries: the ones that >detect uncleared books passing through some sort of a field. Does this >pose no risk or should one make sure the laptop doesn't pass through >these? > >Anyone with any experience? > I took mine through one at least once a day for.. a couple months. Had no problems. I don't think I'm going to let them scan my case when I take a flight to the UK (going for a year) later this year. Does anyone know of a help-pc number in the UK? What about even an IBM service centre in/near Leeds? thanks. -james jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 16:15:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28923 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:15:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05427; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:38:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:38:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05420; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:38:44 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22743; Sat, 6 Aug 94 16:38:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 94 16:38:28 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408062038.AA22743@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au, jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca Subject: Re: magnetic interference and laptops. Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR "I don't think I'm going to let them scan my case when I take a flight to the UK (going for a year) later this year" You may not have the option. Unlike the situation in the US, you cannot insist on a hand search, i.e. you have no right to make this selection. In some countries, notably France and The Netherlands, it is usually completely impossible to avoid ANYTHING from being scanned. Professional photographers often take the train in France to avoid high speed film being scanned and ruined. England is a toss-up. Try asking nicely, don't try to insist, that definitely won't work! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 19:29:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16929 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 19:29:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18077; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 19:59:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 19:59:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18070; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 19:59:44 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA18189; Sat, 6 Aug 94 16:59:41 PDT Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09538; Sat, 6 Aug 94 16:59:58 PDT Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05270; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:59:39 +0800 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:59:39 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9408062359.AA05270@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: scanning at airports In-Reply-To: <9408061900.AA29063@jazz.epas.utoronto.ca> References: <9408061900.AA29063@jazz.epas.utoronto.ca> Status: OR The FAA (I think) recently said that it was OK to scan laptops; outside the Northwest check-in at Logan there is now a video monitor that said laptops and cameras should be scanned. When I left San Francisco I had them hand-check the laptop, but not the floppies. When I returned through Logan, I didn't even take my laptop out. It survived with no problems. I suspect that if the scanners at the airport are safe, the stand-up scanners in stores and libraries are even safer. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 20:37:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22318 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 20:37:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23357; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 21:06:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 21:06:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pinyon.libre.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23319; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 21:06:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (sgross@localhost) by pinyon.libre.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id SAA26760; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 18:00:28 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 18:00:27 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Gross Subject: Re: scanning at airports To: Bob Page Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9408062359.AA05270@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Bob Page wrote: > The FAA (I think) recently said that it was OK to scan laptops; > outside the Northwest check-in at Logan there is now a video monitor > that said laptops and cameras should be scanned. > > When I left San Francisco I had them hand-check the laptop, but not > the floppies. When I returned through Logan, I didn't even take my > laptop out. It survived with no problems. > > I suspect that if the scanners at the airport are safe, the stand-up > scanners in stores and libraries are even safer. > > ..bob Bob- I go through airport security at least 25 times a month. My TP750 resides in my flight case and passes through the scanner each time. I have had no problems. I fly throughout the U.S. and have been through lots of different types of scanners without a single glitch. -steve From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Aug 7 01:28:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12072 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:28:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12176; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:43:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:43:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nic.hookup.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12169; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:43:17 -0400 Received: from jjames.hookup.net (jjames.hookup.net [198.133.162.54]) by nic.hookup.net (8.6.9/1.214) with SMTP id BAA24156; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:36:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199408070536.BAA24156@nic.hookup.net> X-Sender: jjames@hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Aug 1994 01:37:13 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jjames@hookup.net (Jerry James) Subject: Just got a 755C X-Mailer: Status: OR Just got a 755C. Using it for a week now. I had lots of second thoughts while waiting for it (so damn much money). Anyhow, got it now and would not part with it. It replaces a 25 Mhz 386SX mono laptop so the performance difference as quite remarkable. Screen is great, can't find any bad pixels. Battery life seems to be fairly consistent at just over 3 hrs of continious use on the low power setting. I bought the 4MB RAM, 170MB disk. WFWG 3.11. I have upgraded the memory to 20MB using Viking memory (4MB was pretty sad). I have installed Stacker 4.0 to get more disk space but even then, it's pretty much full up so I'll be looking for a new hard drive soon. Does anyone no for sure what type drive these things use? I have read here that its ESDI, a dealer has told me that it's Microchannel (I didn't know there was such a thing, and someone else says IDE. I've had the cover off and it looks just like the IDE drive on my old laptop. What's the real scoop? ====================================================================== Jerry James Cambridge, Ontario, Canada jjames@hookup.net ====================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Aug 7 19:31:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03827 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 7 Aug 1994 19:31:25 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07837; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 19:54:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 19:54:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07829; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 19:53:56 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA05780 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 16:53:46 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id QAA10062; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 16:53:45 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408072353.QAA10062@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Good Deal I saw in Classifieds? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 16:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cchou@chaph.usc.edu, kim@chaph.usc.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR In today's L.A. Times, I notice this in the classified section: "IBM ThinkPad 755Cs, 50 MHz, 4 MB RAM, 175 MB hard drive (I presume this is a mistake). Nu in box, never used. Paid $3995, now $2800" Does anyone think this is a good deal? Here's what I'm thinking--and somebody please let me know whether or not any of this is do-able: I have a 750C. If I were to buy a machine like the above, I would be interested in Swapping Screens and using my Active-Matrix screen on the body that contains the faster processor (I'd also put my larger hard drive in it). Can such a screen swap be done? And if so, what do you think I could get, selling my 750 with a 170 hard drive and a Cs-type Dual-Scan screen? Also--has anyone who owns a 755-series machine upgraded processors? Do you know what is involved? Is it a simple chip-swap (where you could buy the chip from any source) or is there some sort of daughterboard thing going on that you would have to get from IBM? And the cost is...? A couple months ago I saw someone selling a 755C with 500 MB drive and 36 MB RAM for about the same price...I could kill myself for missing that one, since I looked in the classifieds a week late! ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Aug 7 22:29:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 7 Aug 1994 22:29:32 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23185; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 22:53:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 22:53:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23178; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 22:53:49 -0400 Received: from athena.fi.gs.com by tink.com (PMDF V4.3-8 #5880) id <01HFN7XYM8AO8WW054@tink.com>; Sun, 07 Aug 1994 22:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #3223) id <01HFN7VLCOTS965CY5@gs.com>; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 22:53:33 EDT Received: from escher.psd.gs.com by paradev1 (4.1/Para2.1) id AA12548; Sun, 7 Aug 94 22:53:26 EDT Received: by escher.psd.gs.com (4.1/Para2.1) id AA07898; Sun, 7 Aug 94 22:53:26 EDT Date: Sun, 07 Aug 1994 22:53:26 -0400 (EDT) From: padwad@psd.gs.com (Danny Padwa) Subject: Re: scanning at airports In-Reply-To: <9408062359.AA05270@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <9408080253.AA12548@paradev1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <9408061900.AA29063@jazz.epas.utoronto.ca> <9408062359.AA05270@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Status: OR >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Page writes: Bob> The FAA (I think) recently said that it was OK to scan Bob> laptops; outside the Northwest check-in at Logan there is now Bob> a video monitor that said laptops and cameras should be Bob> scanned. I had a brief hop to Mexico City two weeks ago. I actually had to leave the 750 behind in favor of a Sparcbook (for the demo I was running). At JFK they hand-checked the notebook, but scanned the external drive. Coming back both went through the Xray.......no ill effects. Danny PS> Kind of makes you wonder.....if a metal-cased external disk can get through the Xray, what can't?? :-( :-( From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 8 00:06:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01771 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 00:06:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00529; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 00:22:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 00:22:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00522; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 00:22:36 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA27136; Mon, 8 Aug 94 00:22:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 00:22:35 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408080422.AA27136@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Good Deal I saw in Classifieds? Cc: cchou@chaph.usc.edu, kim@chaph.usc.edu Status: OR "A couple of months ago I saw someone selling a 755C with 500 MB drive and 36MB RAM" unlikely, things that are too good to be true, usually aren't! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 8 00:55:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05646 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 00:54:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02563; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 01:13:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 01:13:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02556; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 01:13:18 -0400 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id WAA09552; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 22:13:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199408080513.WAA09552@netcom5.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Aug 1994 22:13:22 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: my introduction X-Mailer: Status: OR (stands up) "Hi, my name is Jesse Montrose, and I'm a thinkpad addict." It started with a 720, but I just bought a tp755cs/75, 12/340 and added a megahertz xjack 14.4.. I use it mostly for windows software development, but also have my latest game favorites, xcom and doom (in that order) loaded, as well as my longtime favorite, omega (tank game from origin, out of print). As soon as I get my home server up and running, I'll use it for slip and mosaic, as well. It's a desktop replacement for me, I have a few desktops here, and they don't get used much anymore, they'll probably end up as servers for my net.. I plan to get one of the docking stations, upgrade to the 810 drive when it's available, and add scsi and ethernet (probably both through the docking station.) I'm also a firm believer in offline usenet/mail and PCTools for Windows 2.0.. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 8 04:12:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19286 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 04:12:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17472; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 04:29:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 04:29:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from biobase.aau.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17460; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 04:29:14 -0400 Received: by biobase.aau.dk (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29011; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 10:28:13 +0200 Message-Id: <9408080828.AA29011@biobase.aau.dk> Subject: X-rays & TPs To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 10:28:10 MET DST From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Just FYI: my TP750Cs has survived all the X-ray scanning it's been subjected to in Europe. Never a problem, as far as I can tell. Maybe airports in the US use greater doses of radiation?... :) Now, it's "pay back time" - after my precious, precious bit of info, tell me what I need to know :) I'm taking my precious TP for its first trans-atlantic trip. Soon, very soon, it'll be (safely) going through the scanner at JFK in NY. That doesn't worry me at all; what I'm worried about is *afterwards*... My AC adapter says: INPUT 100-240V~ 0.95-0.50A "RU" at 100-120V~ 0.95-0.81A for USA (the "RU" above is on fact a symbol that I've never seen before: write a capital U, followed by a capital R, so that the right vertical line in the U shares the same position as the left vertical line of the R; now make the "double letter" italic; now hold a mirror in front of it and look at the image - that's it! Since I'm a curious guy, can someone tell me what this "registered trade mark" stands for?) Anyway, the question is not about a silly symbol! :) What I want to know is, can I use my AC adapter in the US?... From what it says, I'd guess that the answer is yes, but a silly tech. man from my dealer was very hesitant about providing a definite yes... Is there someone out there who can shed some light on this? In case it's of interest to anyone, here's some more info on the adapter: P/N 49G2192 [FRU P/N 49G2196] P/N 49G2194 and, on its belly P/N 49G2143 (can someone tell me why a SINGLE, little AC adapter shows FOUR different part numbers?!?!) And if you're really, really curious: Ser.No.3X235791 Now I should get back to work. Many thanks for your attention so far. Regards from Copenhagen, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes --- Clinical Genetics, Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen, Denmark voice: +45/35454592 (or ...90) * fax: +45/35454072 * pamaga@biobase.aau.dk From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 8 06:02:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03204 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 06:02:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00575; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 06:10:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 06:10:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from master.hrz.th-zwickau.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00502; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 06:10:17 -0400 Received: from sun1.pub.th-zwickau.de by master.hrz.th-zwickau.de with SMTP (15.11/15.6) id AA06884; Mon, 8 Aug 94 12:03:47 mes Received: by sun1.pub.th-zwickau.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17354; Mon, 8 Aug 94 12:10:03 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 12:10:03 +0200 From: hammett@sun1.pub.th-zwickau.de (Dan Hammett) Message-Id: <9408081010.AA17354@sun1.pub.th-zwickau.de> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Member. Status: OR Hi! As a new member to this here mailing list, I think I really ought to introduce myself. I'm Dan Hammett and I have a lovely TP750 with 12MB RAM and 340MB HD. I'm a student (currently doing some research in Germany) based at Queen's University in Belfast. I use the TP mainly for writing reports (what a waste) and playing games (yes, the mono screen is ok for playing Doom and others). Just to add my voice to the discussion about airport X-ray scanners: my TP and I have spent alot of time going to and from Belfast (and if the scanners there aren't the most powerful in the world, I'd be surprised) and we've never suffered any ill effects. Plans for the future include massive upgrading (the usual stuff: large monitor, docking station, sound card and CD-ROM). Back in the real world since my grant is pityful, I'll be starting a PhD this September. I'd just like to say that the TP is an absolute Beast and I like it. I shall have a peek at the FAQ before posing any questions. Bye, Dan. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 8 06:15:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03524 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 06:15:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02680; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 06:37:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 06:37:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from master.hrz.th-zwickau.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02673; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 06:37:01 -0400 Received: from sun1.pub.th-zwickau.de by master.hrz.th-zwickau.de with SMTP (15.11/15.6) id AA06945; Mon, 8 Aug 94 12:30:33 mes Received: by sun1.pub.th-zwickau.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17382; Mon, 8 Aug 94 12:36:49 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 12:36:49 +0200 From: hammett@sun1.pub.th-zwickau.de (Dan Hammett) Message-Id: <9408081036.AA17382@sun1.pub.th-zwickau.de> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: IBM FTP Site Status: OR Hi, me again! Don't know if any of you know this, but there is an anonymous IBM FTP site. I haven't tried it out yet, but here is the address: ftp.pcco.ibm.com 198.79.74.29 It is supposed to mirror the IBM PC BBS. Have fun, Dan H. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 8 14:31:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02357 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:31:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10882; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:32:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:32:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cougar.multiline.com.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10874; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:31:58 -0400 Received: by cougar.multiline.com.au (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qXZmi-000imgC; Tue, 9 Aug 94 02:50 WST Message-Id: From: jsundara@cougar.multiline.com.au (Jub Sundarasaradula) Subject: Myself To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 02:50:56 +0800 (WST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hello, I just subscribed to this 750 mailing list. So, I should intro. myself: My name is Jitdhikorn Sundarasaradula (for short you may call me Jit or Jub). I'm studying a Master degree at Edith Cowan University in Perth, Australia. Now, I'm writing my thesis paper in Neural Network & Image Processing. (hopefully, I should finish by the end of this year) I currently own the 750p (the one with pen). It's very nice machine. Mostly, I use it for doing my reserch (writing and analysing data). The config of my machine is not anything fancy. The 750p model with 12MB RAM and 170MB harddisk. For the software, apart from the PC Dos 6.1 & Pen Windows that came preloaded with the 750p, I'm using the Winword 6.0 & Excel 5.0. I'm also using the Borland Pascal to write some custom program for my reserch. The 750p machine works very well without any major problem. However, I encounter some conflict between pen driver & mouse driver in some program like Winword. Apart from that, the machine is great and I think I'm addict to pen now (it works fast & easier than mouse, also, I can draw something very easy). Ok, I think that should be enough for some background about me. See you l8er, Jit. ============================================================================ Jitdhikorn Sundarasaradula (Jit/Jub) : Perth Australia e-mail: jsundara@cougar.multiline.com.au ============================================================================ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 8 16:48:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04287 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:48:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24533; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:52:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:52:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24526; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:52:23 -0400 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id NAA05749; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 13:51:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 13:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: scanning at airports To: Bob Page Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9408062359.AA05270@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Being a native of the UK I can say that flying in you may get away without the scanning but flying back they will ABSOLUTELY insist that you have the machine scanned. Not only that but they will alos insist that you turn the machine on to prove that it will boot properly. I have never had any problem with my machine/s and have always let them be scanned even internally in the US. This security is well worth the pain and suffering if it can help avoid tragedies like Lockerbie. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Bob Page wrote: > The FAA (I think) recently said that it was OK to scan laptops; > outside the Northwest check-in at Logan there is now a video monitor > that said laptops and cameras should be scanned. > > When I left San Francisco I had them hand-check the laptop, but not > the floppies. When I returned through Logan, I didn't even take my > laptop out. It survived with no problems. > > I suspect that if the scanners at the airport are safe, the stand-up > scanners in stores and libraries are even safer. > > ..bob > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 8 18:18:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19757 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 18:18:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01517; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 18:09:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 18:09:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01470; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 18:09:08 -0400 Received: from isobar.gsfc.nasa.gov by neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov via SMTP (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA23371; Mon, 8 Aug 94 18:12:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 18:12:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9408082212.AA23371@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: kirk@neptune Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kirk@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert Kirk) Subject: Introduction X-Mailer: Status: OR I'm Bob Kirk and have a TP750C , Megahertz 14.4K PCMCIA modem & old HP 512K ROM card. I use Procomm Plus for comm and PC EUDORA over PCTCP network software for SLIP internet access. The basic TP has 20meg mempory and the 340 disk. I heard about this list from some Usenet queries for help on trying to get WIN32S installed on my Windows. The *(&%$*^ thing keeps giving me errors. I'm in the process of putting the latest PCDOS 6.3 and various utilities from the IBM FTP server on my machine (Thanks, dan Hammett) to make sure that's not the problem. My object is to get Mosaic 32 bit working. Although I'm not sure why I tried, since the old 16 bit version was working perfectly fine. I just saw the introduction from Jesse Montrose who has a similiar setup to me. Maybe I'll let him break ground. Bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 9 19:14:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13744 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 9 Aug 1994 19:14:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20718; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 19:30:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 19:30:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20705; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 19:30:19 -0400 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id QAA10927; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 16:30:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199408092330.QAA10927@netcom5.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Aug 1994 16:30:19 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: chicago X-Mailer: Status: OR Has anyone tried the chicago beta on their thinkpad? -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 9 21:41:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02800 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 9 Aug 1994 21:41:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02112; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 22:04:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 22:04:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc8.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02105; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 22:04:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 21:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Malaby Subject: A few questions... To: Thinkpad Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello all, Prior to my imminent departure for Greece in September, I'm still trying to figure out some details about using my TP360CS in Greece. First, I was quite surprised to find that my TP Ac adapter was _not_ a universal adapter; I was surprised b/c a friend of mine with a 720 got a universal one with hers shipped w/o asking. So now I come to find out IBM is going to charge me ~$135.00 for it, and I'm already strapped for cash. Any advice on other dealers, options, etc.? Any and all answers would be much appreciated. I also have a second question (boy do I sound like a flaming newbie). I just bought a phone cord at Radio Shack with a modular plug on one end and four wires with c-clamp-thingies on the other end, but the inept techie there had no advice on how to use it in Europe (i.e., how do I know which wires go with which wires?). Can someone point me in the right direction for this info (or even take the time to explain it themselves?)? Again, thank you much, I am in all of your debt. Thomas Malaby malaby@husc.harvard.edu Department of Anthropology, Harvard University "The plate of the hunter, the gambler, and the fisherman is nine times empty and one time full." --Cretan Proverb From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 9 22:51:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12041 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 9 Aug 1994 22:51:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07218; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:05:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:05:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07196; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:05:18 -0400 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id UAA21471; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 20:05:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199408100305.UAA21471@netcom7.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Aug 1994 20:05:19 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Re: Introduction X-Mailer: Status: OR >I heard about this list from some Usenet queries for help on trying to get >WIN32S >installed on my Windows. The *(&%$*^ thing keeps giving me errors. I'm in the I do have win32s installed, and it installed without a hitch. What went wrong when you installed it? >process of putting the latest PCDOS 6.3 and various utilities from the IBM FTP Is there any advantage to pcdos? I took it off in favor of msdos, for two pretty superficial reasons, it was 9 meg, and that damned editor drove me nuts! >My object is to get Mosaic 32 bit working. Although I'm not sure why I >tried, since >the old 16 bit version was working perfectly fine. Hmm, it had never occurred to me to use mosaic32, how do you like pctcp? Was it easy to get set up? >I just saw the introduction from Jesse Montrose who has a similiar setup to >me. Maybe I'll let him break ground. Breaking :) -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 02:21:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29545 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 02:21:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19600; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 02:31:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 02:31:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19593; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 02:31:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199408100631.CAA19593@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 2:27:56 EDT From: yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu Subject: Help: tp with scsi To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Hello everyone, Recently, I'm trying to hook NEC4XPro with my TP755. First of all, I ordered a QLogic Fast!SCSI pcmcia card at the beginning. After installing the SS, CS and CDROM drivers that came with this card, the CDROM works great with my tp. But, I can't use 'ezplay' to talk with SCSI card, so the pcmcia indicator on tp will not work! (Yes, it works only with 'ezplay'! Right?!) Therefore, I ordered a New Media Bus Toastor to give it a try. Yea, the 'ezplay' can auto-configure it, just put the card client driver before the AUTODRV.SYS. So far, I seem to find what I want. But, when I played it with some games, I found the data transfer rate is MUCH slower than QLogic SCSI card and the data transfering isn't smoothly at all! (sometimes, the voice came out before picture about 2sec when playing the movie on disc! I can't believe what I saw!) So, I'd like to know anyone who had the experiences to use pcmcia SCSI card to work with his tp and 'ezplay'. If you have any good luck with any SCSI card and would like to share with me, please help me. I'll very very appreciated for your kindly reply, thanks! -yc From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 02:39:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00259 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 02:39:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21250; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 02:54:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 02:53:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21243; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 02:53:56 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA27427; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:53:53 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id XAA03415; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:53:52 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408100653.XAA03415@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Introduction To: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199408100305.UAA21471@netcom7.netcom.com> from "Jesse Montrose" at Aug 9, 94 08:05:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > >process of putting the latest PCDOS 6.3 and various utilities from the IBM > > Is there any advantage to pcdos? I took it off in favor of msdos, > for two pretty superficial reasons, it was 9 meg, and that damned editor > drove me nuts! To me, the question is not whether there is an advantage to PC-DOS, but rather, "Is there any advantage to MS-DOS?" The answer to me at least, is NO (except for the editor). I cannot imagine why anyone would voluntarily beef up Microsoft coffers just to install essentially duplicate software onto their thinkpad. If you like the MS-DOS editor, copy that file and the QBasic file and be done with it. There is no reason in the world to dump PC-DOS for the MS version--its just plain silly. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 07:23:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23166 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 07:23:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15281; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 07:25:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 07:25:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from master.hrz.th-zwickau.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15243; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 07:24:59 -0400 From: Received: from boss.hrz.th-zwickau.de by master.hrz.th-zwickau.de with SMTP (15.11/15.6) id AA13509; Wed, 10 Aug 94 13:18:26 mes Received: from sun2.pub.th-zwickau.de by boss.hrz.th-zwickau.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09723; Wed, 10 Aug 94 13:24:44 +0200 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 13:24:44 +0200 Message-Id: <9408101124.AA09723@boss.hrz.th-zwickau.de> To: TP750-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Change of Address Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Dear All, please note that I will be changing countries and can be reached in Belfast at: phg0061@v2.qub.ac.uk Thanks, Dan Hammett. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 10:11:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14533 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:11:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03648; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:12:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:12:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03641; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:12:29 -0400 Received: from todd-dial.caenn.wisc.edu (todd-dial.engr.wisc.edu) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA108005140; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:25:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199408101325.AA108005140@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:25:40 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: Re: Introduction X-Mailer: Status: OR > >> >process of putting the latest PCDOS 6.3 and various utilities from the IBM >> >> Is there any advantage to pcdos? I took it off in favor of msdos, >> for two pretty superficial reasons, it was 9 meg, and that damned editor >> drove me nuts! > > To me, the question is not whether there is an advantage to PC-DOS, >but rather, "Is there any advantage to MS-DOS?" The answer to me at least, >is NO (except for the editor). I cannot imagine why anyone would voluntarily >beef up Microsoft coffers just to install essentially duplicate software onto >their thinkpad. If you like the MS-DOS editor, copy that file and the QBasic >file and be done with it. There is no reason in the world to dump PC-DOS >for the MS version--its just plain silly. > I don't think so.... At the time I got my thinkpad and thus PC-DOS, PC-DOS did not include any disk compression software (doublespace, stacker, superstor, whatever it was supposed to be). Instead, there was a coupon inside the PC-DOS box saying "send in this coupon, and IBM will send you the compression software for free". Well, I sent in the coupon. Then 2 days later I called IBM and asked if there was any other faster way to get the compression software; they said no, you must mail the coupon and wait. At that point I installed MS-DOS, largely at the time to get DoubleSpace (although, ironically, i have not used so far on my thinkpad...!). It has now been almost 4 months since I sent in the coupon. No compression software. Score one for MS-DOS over PC-DOS. -Todd p.s. as an alternative altogether to things like Stacker/Doublespace, folks may want to consider Infinite Disk from Chili Pepper Software.... It can automatically compress unused files ("unused" = not accessed for a specified number of days), or it can compress and move the files off of disk onto floppy, a different disk, Bernoulli, Syquest, magneto optical, network drive, etc. However, even moved files still appear in your directory. When you access a file which has moved, a dialog box comes up asking you to insert the specific floppy, syquest, etc., that has the file, and it is automatically copied back. Great stuff, & nice on the thinkpad with the 2.88 meg floppy & compression, Infinite Disk can get almost 6 meg per floppy! This software also makes purchasing a Bernoulli or Magneto-Optical much more attractive (p.s. i do not work for them, just have their software) What is the downside? 31K TSR. (doublespace TSR is similar, though) DOS & Windows only, for now.... Lot cheaper than buying a new 500 meg thinkpad disk from ibm. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 11:54:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08975 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:54:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11364; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:54:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:54:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11357; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:54:34 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA18374; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:54:30 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id IAA24037; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:54:29 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408101554.IAA24037@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Battle of the DOS's To: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199408101325.AA108005140@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> from "Todd Tannenbaum" at Aug 10, 94 08:25:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > >> Is there any advantage to pcdos? I took it off in favor of msdos, > >> for two pretty superficial reasons, it was 9 meg, and that damned editor > >> drove me nuts! > > > > To me, the question is not whether there is an advantage to PC-DOS, > >but rather, "Is there any advantage to MS-DOS?" The answer to me at least, > >is NO (except for the editor). I cannot imagine why anyone would voluntari > >beef up Microsoft coffers just to install essentially duplicate software o > >their thinkpad. If you like the MS-DOS editor, copy that file and the QBas > >file and be done with it. There is no reason in the world to dump PC-DOS > >for the MS version--its just plain silly. > > > > I don't think so.... > > At the time I got my thinkpad and thus PC-DOS, PC-DOS did > not include any disk compression software (doublespace, stacker, superstor, > whatever it was supposed to be). Instead, there was a coupon inside > the PC-DOS box saying "send in this coupon, and IBM will send you the > compression software for free". That was true at one time--but it certainly is no longer the case. Furthermore, if you're going to go and spend good $ on MS-DOS just to get their (somewhat inferior) Doublespace feature, I'd think you were throwing your money away, when you could get the much-superior Stacker software for the same money. > Well, I sent in the coupon. Then 2 days later I called IBM and > asked if there was any other faster way to get the compression software; > they said no, you must mail the coupon and wait. At that point I > installed MS-DOS, largely at the time to get DoubleSpace (although, > ironically, i have not used so far on my thinkpad...!). Then what in hades did you bother installing it for? I simply don't understand this... > It has now been almost 4 months since I sent in the coupon. > No compression software. > Score one for MS-DOS over PC-DOS. Not really--just a penalty point for the folks at IBM who lost you. I sent in that same card and got my SuperStor compression disks 2 weeks later. And now for those who are using PC-DOS 6.1, you can FTP the disks for the 6.3 upgrade--which has the SuperStor compression as an installable option. The worst I can say is that the support people at IBM screwed up on sending your stuff, but it would be unfair in my estimation to write off PC-DOS just for some joker's screw-up on a peripherally-related item. > -Todd > > p.s. as an alternative altogether to things like Stacker/Doublespace, > folks may want to consider Infinite Disk from Chili Pepper Software.... > It can automatically compress unused files ("unused" = not accessed > for a specified number of days), or it can compress and move the > files off of disk onto floppy, a different disk, Bernoulli, Syquest, > magneto optical, network drive, etc. However, even moved files still Hmm...as the owner of a SyQuest 270 (on the desktop), this software sounds tempting! I already use the SyQuest to (among other things) archive seldom-used software and projects to save "regular" disk space and still have quick access to them. I've used a SyQuest 105 for a year now to do that and recent obtained the 270 and sold the 105 (though I still use many of the 105 disks with the 270 drive). ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 13:34:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04306 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:34:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18142; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:37:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:37:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18124; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:37:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA01467 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 03:37:22 +1000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 03:37:15 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Re: Battle of the DOS's - now with a twist! To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP In-Reply-To: <199408101554.IAA24037@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR > Hmm...as the owner of a SyQuest 270 (on the desktop), this software > sounds tempting! I already use the SyQuest to (among other things) archive > seldom-used software and projects to save "regular" disk space and still have > quick access to them. I've used a SyQuest 105 for a year now to do that and > recent obtained the 270 and sold the 105 (though I still use many of the 105 > disks with the 270 drive). Finally! I've been dying to find out what those SyQuest drives are like. Do they require a controller, or is it possible to wire them, or a Bernoulli box or something into one of the thinkpad ports? The hard drive upgrades are so expensive here in Australia the SyQuest 270meg drive and cartridge is actually cheaper than the 170->340 upgrade at time of purchase! If anyone has external drives working, could they please let me know? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 14:20:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16399 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:20:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21250; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:36:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:36:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21243; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:36:31 -0400 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA09562; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:36:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199408101836.LAA09562@netcom7.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:36:32 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Please, no os wars :) X-Mailer: Status: OR >> To me, the question is not whether there is an advantage to PC-DOS, >>but rather, "Is there any advantage to MS-DOS?" The answer to me at least, >>is NO (except for the editor). I cannot imagine why anyone would voluntarily >>beef up Microsoft coffers just to install essentially duplicate software onto >>their thinkpad. If you like the MS-DOS editor, copy that file and the QBasic >>file and be done with it. There is no reason in the world to dump PC-DOS >>for the MS version--its just plain silly. It wasn't a question of coffers, the msdos was sitting unused, came with the box I'm linuxing on. And it was largely prompted by the 9 meg in the pcdos dir. I don't use much of that, in fact, I've been trying out 4dos lately, and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna stick to that anyway.. >Score one for MS-DOS over PC-DOS. I did use stacker on my 720, but I'm avoiding it for now.. > folks may want to consider Infinite Disk from Chili Pepper Software.... I remember reading about that, do you use it? I kinda like the idea, at least of compressing unused files. I keep most of my windows help files compressed, and when I need to look something up I launch them from pctools. All things considered, I would hate to see an ibm vs ms fight on this list, too :) I use ms windows, but bought a copy of os/2 because I want to support it.. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 14:37:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20470 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:37:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21264; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:36:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:36:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21255; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:36:45 -0400 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA09595; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:37:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199408101837.LAA09595@netcom7.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:36:52 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Re: Battle of the DOS's - now with a twist! Cc: TP X-Mailer: Status: OR >Finally! I've been dying to find out what those SyQuest drives are >like. Do they require a controller, or is it possible to wire them, or >a Bernoulli box or something into one of the thinkpad ports? The hard >drive upgrades are so expensive here in Australia the SyQuest 270meg >drive and cartridge is actually cheaper than the 170->340 upgrade at time >of purchase! If anyone has external drives working, could they please >let me know? I'd like to hear about the same thing, I would like to use an external 2 gig scsi drive, is anyone using externals regularly on their tp? -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 14:57:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25218 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:57:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23125; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:00:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:00:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23024; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:00:05 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07600; Wed, 10 Aug 94 15:00:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 15:00:00 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408101900.AA07600@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, jesse@netcom.com Subject: Re: Please, no os wars :) Status: OR I must say I appalled to find that PC DOS 6.3 absolutely INSISTS on formatting all partitions to install. This means that if you have some other OS loaded (e.g. OS/2), PC/DOS insists on completely wiping it out if you have HPFS partitions. Does MS/DOS have this same evil behavior? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 15:56:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09433 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:56:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26394; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:39:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:39:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26375; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:39:51 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA05231; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 12:39:37 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id MAA15769; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 12:39:34 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408101939.MAA15769@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Please, no os wars :) To: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 12:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199408101836.LAA09562@netcom7.netcom.com> from "Jesse Montrose" at Aug 10, 94 11:36:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > All things considered, I would hate to see an ibm vs ms fight on > this list, too :) I use ms windows, but bought a copy of os/2 because I > want to support it.. As one who has come down rather solidly on the side of Windows in the Windows vs. OS/2 arguments (though certainly not for technical reasons, but rather for the "facts of life" that Market forces have shown to drive-- namely, I've been disappointed by few OS/2 apps and few drivers--though the number is growing), I find it rather ironic that I come down on the PC side of the DOS's. Perhaps that might tell a few of you out there that I'm not some blind-lover of Microsoft and a hater of IBM. But this thing is a bit absurd, since the differences between PC DOS and MS-DOS is decidely nill, it seems there is little or nothing to argue over! ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 16:09:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12494 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:09:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27849; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:00:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:00:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27822; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:00:13 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA06971; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:00:04 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id NAA17615; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:00:01 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408102000.NAA17615@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Please, no os wars :) To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9408101900.AA07600@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Aug 10, 94 03:00:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > I must say I appalled to find that PC DOS 6.3 absolutely INSISTS on > formatting all partitions to install. This means that if you have some > other OS loaded (e.g. OS/2), PC/DOS insists on completely wiping it out > if you have HPFS partitions. Does MS/DOS have this same evil behavior? Are you talking about the upgrade from 6.1 to 6.3? It didn't insist on doing that to me! I would have to agree that if this is the case, that is stupid. Did you talk to IBM people and tell 'em what the problem was? ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 16:17:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14110 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:17:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27344; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:53:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:53:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27325; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:53:06 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA06126; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 12:53:01 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id MAA16970; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 12:52:57 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408101952.MAA16970@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: External Devices To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au (Rohan Davidson) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 12:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jesse@netcom.com, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Rohan Davidson" at Aug 11, 94 03:37:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > Hmm...as the owner of a SyQuest 270 (on the desktop), this software > > sounds tempting! I already use the SyQuest to (among other things) archive > > seldom-used software and projects to save "regular" disk space and still h > > quick access to them. I've used a SyQuest 105 for a year now to do that > > recent obtained the 270 and sold the 105 (though I still use many of the 1 > > disks with the 270 drive). > > Finally! I've been dying to find out what those SyQuest drives are > like. Do they require a controller, or is it possible to wire them, or > a Bernoulli box or something into one of the thinkpad ports? The hard I can't speak for Bernoulli, but I have owned 2 different SyQuest drives (the 105 and now the 270) and I love(d) them both. Both were SCSI-2 devices, so assuming you get a good SCSI adapter on your ThinkPad (either PCMCIA or Parallel port), I see no reason whatsoever that you couldn't run it just as you might run any other SCSI device off of nearly any computer. > drive upgrades are so expensive here in Australia the SyQuest 270meg > drive and cartridge is actually cheaper than the 170->340 upgrade at time If by chance you get a SyQuest 105, let me know if you are interested in 105 MB cartridges. I have about 6 extras that I can use with my 270, but would prefer to sell and invest the $ toward 270 MB carts. I'm asking $45 each for barely-used carts. and I have 1 that is unused and asking $52 for it. > of purchase! If anyone has external drives working, could they please > let me know? Well, as I said, I have about 4 external SCSI devices working (CD-ROM, SyQuest 270, DAT tape drive, and flatbed scanner) on my desktop system, but I see no reason the same couldn't be done on a notebook machine, given a good quality, well-supported SCSI adapter and good drivers. I don't personally have a need for it, so I've never purchased a notebook SCSI adapter, but if I were to do so, I'd probably buy the PCMCIA card made by Adaptec (Adaptec is pretty much the 1st name in PC-based SCSI) or alternately a parallel port device by Trantor (which I've also heard good things about). The adapter you choose is critical though, as there are plenty of "cheap junk" items out there that may give you difficulty in supporting your external devices (or having poor drivers, etc). ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 16:28:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16812 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:28:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29945; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:26:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:26:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29936; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:26:40 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07727; Wed, 10 Aug 94 16:26:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 16:26:37 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408102026.AA07727@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Please, no os wars :) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR no, here is the scenario. install OS/2 leaving a FAT partiion for DOS, and remaining HPFS partitions for OS/2, including the OS/2 boot partition. Then try to install 6.3 from scratch, it will give you only two options. Format the HPFS partitions, or abort the installation. wonderful! (so you have to be very sure to install DOS first, and let it waste time formatting partitions it has no business touching, and then install OS/2. QUite a waste of time on my 810 meg disk with a 600 meg HPFS partition! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 16:36:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18967 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:36:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01319; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:43:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:42:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01310; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:42:55 -0400 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id NAA27936; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:43:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199408102043.NAA27936@netcom15.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:42:55 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Re: Please, no os wars :) X-Mailer: Status: OR >I must say I appalled to find that PC DOS 6.3 absolutely INSISTS on >formatting all partitions to install. This means that if you have some >other OS loaded (e.g. OS/2), PC/DOS insists on completely wiping it out >if you have HPFS partitions. Does MS/DOS have this same evil behavior? Not sure about HPFS, but I don't think so, I've used msdos fdisk with linux partitions. also, a reminder (not just to you, to all of us:) If you reply to both the sender and the list, the sender'll get dup copies.. it's kindof a pain, but it's helpful to change your reply to TP750@CS.UTK.EDU. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 16:41:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20377 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:41:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00895; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:36:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:36:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00887; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:36:27 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07756; Wed, 10 Aug 94 16:36:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 16:36:18 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408102036.AA07756@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Please, no os wars :) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR no I am not talking about the upgrade, but about initial installtion of PC 6.3, delivered with the Thinkpad. If it sees an HPFS partition, it gives only two choices: format the partition, or abort installation. THis means that you have to install DOS before OS/2, and I found it annoying to have to wait for DOS to do a meaningless format of my 600meg partition that eventually ended up HPFS formatted by OS/2. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 18:16:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06887 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:16:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09884; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:35:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:35:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09863; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:35:03 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id SAA05329; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:21:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199408102221.SAA05329@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: tp750-request@CS.UTK.EDU To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: tp750-request@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: administrivia Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:21:29 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Just a friendly reminder: Add/delete/change requests should go to tp750-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, rather than to the list. I don't read the tp750 list every day, but I *do* read the -request mailbox frequently. So sending the stuff to the whole list means it's *less* likely to get noticed than if you sent it to tp750-request. Keith Moore also, Jesse Montrose writes: > also, a reminder (not just to you, to all of us:) > > If you reply to both the sender and the list, the sender'll get dup > copies.. it's kindof a pain, but it's helpful to change your reply to > TP750@CS.UTK.EDU. Sometimes this is a useful feature. That way, for instance, the sender of the first message gets his reply more quickly than through the list, so he can followup quickly. Maybe someday I'll add a per-recipient "don't send me copies of stuff I write" option to the list expander software. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 19:02:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12594 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:02:32 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12104; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:21:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:21:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12079; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:21:11 -0400 From: Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id QAA09104; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:21:06 -0700 Received: by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.9/4.7) id QAA14027; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:21:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:21:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199408102321.QAA14027@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: jesse@netcom.com, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Battle of the DOS's - now with a twist! Status: OR I use an exernal 500+ meg SCSI drive attached to a Bus Toaster when I am working with my TP750cs at home. It works fine, provided that you loadt the Bus Toaster ASPI driver before autodriv.sys and specify the address on the BTASPI line (/p140, as I recall) that the autodrv.ini file wants you to use for SCSI cards. My subjective sense is that access times on the SCSI drive are indistinguishable from those on the drive provided with my TP. Bob Meister From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 19:03:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12720 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:03:32 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12173; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:23:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:23:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12166; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:23:36 -0400 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id QAA22075; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:23:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199408102323.QAA22075@netcom8.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:23:39 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Re: administrivia X-Mailer: Status: OR >> If you reply to both the sender and the list, the sender'll get dup >> copies.. it's kindof a pain, but it's helpful to change your reply to >> TP750@CS.UTK.EDU. > >Sometimes this is a useful feature. That way, for instance, the sender of >the first message gets his reply more quickly than through the list, so he >can followup quickly. Why would it be more quickly? :) You mean since it doesn't have to take the trip to the list site and over to the user? Hmm.. >Maybe someday I'll add a per-recipient "don't send me copies of stuff I >write" option to the list expander software. It's not that big of a deal :) -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 21:02:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29257 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:02:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17329; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:16:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:16:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17312; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:16:45 -0400 Received: from msr.fi.gs.com by tink.com (PMDF V4.3-8 #5880) id <01HFRBFMROEO8WWQ7W@tink.com>; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #3223) id <01HFRBD0AGCG967Y24@gs.com>; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:16:16 EDT Received: from escher.psd.gs.com by paradev1 (4.1/Para2.1) id AA18245; Wed, 10 Aug 94 21:16:08 EDT Received: by escher.psd.gs.com (4.1/Para2.1) id AA01243; Wed, 10 Aug 94 21:16:07 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: padwad@psd.gs.com (Danny Padwa) Subject: FuelGauge vs Modem programs To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <9408110116.AA18245@paradev1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Is it just me, or is the fuel gauge program (under windows) really unpleasant when being used with a modem program? I just updated all of my drivers (utility disk 1.31), but the windows fuel program still gets "unstable" when I bring up PC-Xware. Or try to Fax. Any thoughts?? To whom does one complain at IBM? Thanx, Danny padwad@psd.gs.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 00:15:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21443 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 00:15:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28888; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 00:21:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 00:21:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28881; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 00:21:49 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA15959 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:21:30 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199408110421.AA15959@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: DOS anomaly To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:21:29 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <9408101900.AA07600@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Aug 10, 94 02:59:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I must say I appalled to find that PC DOS 6.3 absolutely INSISTS on > formatting all partitions to install. This means that if you have some Strangely enough, I have had this experience once but when I got around to installing it a second time, it didn't happen. I don't recall doing anything different but it does at least let us know it is somehow possible to install PC-DOS without it formatting all partitions. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Thu Aug 11 06:16:24 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21934 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 06:16:22 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA08463; Thu, 11 Aug 94 07:16:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 07:16:27 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408111116.AA08463@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: DOS anomaly Status: OR it won't reformat FAT partitions of course, so this only arises if you have HPFS partitions that look unformatted to DOS. So if you install DOS once, format everything to FAT, and then reinstall DOS, of course it won't need to reformat. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 06:52:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22706 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 06:52:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24145; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:24:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:24:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ntt.jp by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24138; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:24:11 -0400 Received: by mail.ntt.jp (8.6.9/COREMAIL.4); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:24:07 +0900 Received: by gulag.ntt.jp (8.6.9/core*brl.mx12) with TCP; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:24:06 +0900 Received: by will.ntt.jp (4.1/core*brl.s7) with TCP; Thu, 11 Aug 94 20:22:24 JST Message-Id: <9408111122.AA28385@will.ntt.jp> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: iwasaki@will.ntt.jp Subject: ["Martin P. Smith": Re: IPMD on th750c] Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 20:22:23 +0900 From: IWASAKI Yuzuru Status: OR >Curious I have exactly your configuration and have run IPMD without >problems. I have all of the latest CSD'd applied so maybe this would >help you. The CSD's can be found at ftp-os2.cdrom.com I seems OS/2 J2.11 is some what different from 2.11. IBM said they still working on the problem. --------------------------------------- Iwasaki Yuzuru {+81-462,0462}-40-3526 FAX:{+81-462,0462}-40-4719 iwasaki@will.NTT.jp --------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 07:05:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22960 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:05:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24648; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:35:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:35:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ntt.jp by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24634; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:35:21 -0400 Received: by mail.ntt.jp (8.6.9/COREMAIL.4); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:35:17 +0900 Received: by gulag.ntt.jp (8.6.9/core*brl.mx12) with TCP; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:35:16 +0900 Received: by will.ntt.jp (4.1/core*brl.s7) with TCP; Thu, 11 Aug 94 20:33:34 JST Message-Id: <9408111133.AA28522@will.ntt.jp> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: iwasaki@will.ntt.jp Subject: Utility disk on 2.88M? Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 20:33:33 +0900 From: IWASAKI Yuzuru Status: OR Is there anyway to generate utility disk (start OS/2 form floppy disk) on 2.88M disk? I could make that with preloaded OS/2 2.1. After I updated it to OS/2 2.11, bootdisk program didn't work because of version inconsistency. --------------------------------------- Iwasaki Yuzuru {+81-462,0462}-40-3526 FAX:{+81-462,0462}-40-4719 iwasaki@will.NTT.jp --------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 07:41:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24224 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:41:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26682; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:05:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:05:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26675; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:05:52 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA08683; Thu, 11 Aug 94 08:05:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 08:05:36 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408111205.AA08683@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: iwasaki@will.ntt.jp, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Utility disk on 2.88M? Status: OR I would be *very* interested in this, it would be one really nice use of the 2.88M floppies (utility boot disk for OS/2) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 10:23:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17671 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:22:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07335; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:37:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:36:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07234; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:36:41 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qYbFV-0004tyC; Thu, 11 Aug 94 09:36 CDT Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qYbFU-0009bXC; Thu, 11 Aug 94 09:36 CDT Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qYbFR-000BhKC; Thu, 11 Aug 94 09:36 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Repair Suggestions To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 09:36:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I don't know if other people have had problems with IBM's service center, but I would be curious to hear about your problems. I returned my 750 to IBM to allow them to look at a problem with the machine hanging during boot. The problem occurred when IBM's Ethernet PCMCIA card was installed in the machine along with the 1.3x utilities PCMCIA drivers. When the machine was returned, IBM didn't fix the Ethernet problem. The system was returned with large scratches in both top and bottom covers. In addition, they were to have replaced the keyboard. They keyboard was not swapped. I also received a power supply from their lab and a 10baseT cable (my problems only occurred with a 10base2 cable plugged in). In other words they tested with the wrong network technology. IBM was working this problem for a month before it went into their service department. They had the machine for over a week. Now IBM's remedy is to take the machine back into their lab, and start debugging it again. I told the mobiles manager that IBM can debug the problem after they swap the questionable hardware out of my machine. I suggested that support should just buy me a new machine out of their budget. Support can keep the thrashed machine. They problem is that the mobiles manager is hiding the problem by offering to replace the damaged parts. Remember that the people who will repair the system are the same people that damaged the system in the first place. What would you do if IBM did this to your 750. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 10:52:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23940 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:52:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10188; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:09:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:09:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10180; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:09:02 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA09759; Thu, 11 Aug 94 11:08:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 11:08:57 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408111508.AA09759@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Repair Suggestions Status: OR Are you sure this is a hardware problem, sure sounds like a software problem to me, and there is absolutely *no* point in taking your machine into the service department for a software problem. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 11:26:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01446 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:26:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12634; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:42:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:42:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12627; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:42:24 -0400 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Thu, 11 Aug 94 08:42 PDT Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA02102; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:42:00 +0800 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:42:00 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9408111542.AA02102@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, padwad@psd.gs.com Subject: Re: FuelGauge vs Modem programs X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR I am amazed you are able to run PC-Xware with the windows Fuel program running. I have always had to exit from it in order to run PC-Xware. The Fuel program is flaky. I have found it a good idea to disable it when I have encountered a "strange" result, and this often solves the problem. Len Jacobson ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From @amdahl.uts.amdahl.com:owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 10 18:51 PDT 1994 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:16:48 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: padwad@psd.gs.com (Danny Padwa) Subject: FuelGauge vs Modem programs To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Is it just me, or is the fuel gauge program (under windows) really unpleasant when being used with a modem program? I just updated all of my drivers (utility disk 1.31), but the windows fuel program still gets "unstable" when I bring up PC-Xware. Or try to Fax. Any thoughts?? To whom does one complain at IBM? Thanx, Danny padwad@psd.gs.com ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 12:02:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10038 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:02:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15225; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:14:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:14:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15216; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:14:10 -0400 Received: from isobar.gsfc.nasa.gov by neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov via SMTP (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA20922; Thu, 11 Aug 94 12:17:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 12:17:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9408111617.AA20922@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: kirk@neptune Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kirk@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert Kirk) Subject: Re: Introduction X-Mailer: Status: OR >>I heard about this list from some Usenet queries for help on trying to get >>WIN32S >>installed on my Windows. The *(&%$*^ thing keeps giving me errors. I'm in the > > I do have win32s installed, and it installed without a hitch. What >went wrong when you installed it? When it tried to run the demo program (a 32 bit solitare game) it said: "Need WIN32S.386 to run this; can't find it", or words to that effect. The funny thing is, that program was there all the time. Tried expanding it separately and putting copies in every conceivable sub-dir, but still didn't work. I got the W32S.ZIP >from the Mosaic UIUC home page, so I assume it's good. Am in the process of updating the latest IMB system files & DOS, starting from scratch with no TSR's, and all the other usual kick-the-tires tricks. Could you list your CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT and I'll try doing it the same way? >>process of putting the latest PCDOS 6.3 and various utilities from the IBM FTP > > Is there any advantage to pcdos? I took it off in favor of msdos, >for two pretty superficial reasons, it was 9 meg, and that damned editor >drove me nuts! I see the other messages on the DOS wars, and I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. The only DOS I've understood was CPM. I use PCDOS cause that's what came with it. >>My object is to get Mosaic 32 bit working. Although I'm not sure why I >>tried, since >>the old 16 bit version was working perfectly fine. > > Hmm, it had never occurred to me to use mosaic32, how do you like >pctcp? Was it easy to get set up? > Mosaic 32 works just fine on my ancienct, slow 386 at work. Some more feature that don't have anything to do with the operating system, but not available on the 16 bit version. I use PCTCP on both the desktop, for direct ethernet connection, and for the 750 for remote SLIP connection. It wortks fine both ways and the installation was not bad. After the SLIP connection is made on the 750, I do mail with PC EUDORA for windows, QVT for news, Mosaic for the fun stuff, and the PCTCP utilities for FTP & Telnetting. >>I just saw the introduction from Jesse Montrose who has a similiar setup to >>me. Maybe I'll let him break ground. > > Breaking :) Go ahead and dish the dirt... Cheers, Bob >-- >___________________________________________________________________________ >Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 > I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 12:22:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14730 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:22:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16328; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:26:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:26:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16319; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:26:12 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA07497; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 09:26:09 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA24678; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 09:26:06 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408111626.JAA24678@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Repair Suggestions To: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 09:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Scott Stratmoen" at Aug 11, 94 09:36:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > I don't know if other people have had problems with IBM's service > center, but I would be curious to hear about your problems. I returned my 75 > was returned with large scratches in both top and bottom covers. In > addition, they were to have replaced the keyboard. They keyboard was not > swapped. > I suggested that support should just buy me a new machine out of > their budget. Support can keep the thrashed machine. > > They problem is that the mobiles manager is hiding the problem by > offering to replace the damaged parts. Remember that the people who will > repair the system are the same people that damaged the system in the > first place. > > What would you do if IBM did this to your 750. > -- > Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com Ohhhh, Scott--I'm *really* sorry to hear this kind of crap happening. Personally, when I sent my machine in, I got only the best of service and the problem (a loose hinge) was fixed almost instantaneously--I had a near-perfect machine returned to me in just a few days. But if I were in your position, I can't say I'd know what to do. Sounds like they just plain damaged your machine and want to pretend it never happened. I think I'd be trying to call the higher-ups and explain what happened. Hopefully they'll make it right. Meanwhile, keep us posted. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 12:23:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14860 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:23:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16385; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:28:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:28:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16377; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:28:08 -0400 From: Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qYczT-0004tyC; Thu, 11 Aug 94 11:28 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qYczT-0009bXC; Thu, 11 Aug 94 11:28 CDT Received: from bart by bart.dsd.northrop.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qYd0O-0002wvC; Thu, 11 Aug 94 11:29 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: Repair Suggestions To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:28:54 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <9408111508.AA09759@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Aug 11, 94 11:08:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: strat@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Are you sure this is a hardware problem, sure sounds like a software > problem to me, and there is absolutely *no* point in taking your machine > into the service department for a software problem. That was my claim, but the IBM service people claim that they cannot reproduce the problem on a 750 in their lab. I think that there is a timing problem which was introduced with the latest software version. Some hardware encounters the problem, some does not. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 12:55:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21461 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:55:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19153; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 13:08:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 13:08:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19146; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 13:08:10 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA26321; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:04:38 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:08:45 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <36526.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Utility disk on 2.88M? Status: OR In message Thu, 11 Aug 94 08:05:36 -0400, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) writes: > I would be *very* interested in this, it would be one really nice use > of the 2.88M floppies (utility boot disk for OS/2) There is a program on the OS/2 ftp sites that you can use to make a 2-10 MB OS/2 boot partition on your hard drive. I think it is: os2/ibm/ews/boot2x.zip (not the one in 2_x/sysutils) It should give you plenty of options as to what type of boot partition you wish to create (OS/2 only, PM, WPS, DOS & Windows support, etc.). If the above program isn't it, keep looking because it does exist - I used it. The only thing to watch out for is that it uses as much disk space as available to install the requested support. If you have a 2MB partition and request OS/2 be installed, it will fill the 2MB. If you have a 5MB partition and request the same thing, it will fill the 5MB partition. I've used this program to make a 2.88MB boot floppy too, but went with the bootable partition because it took 15 seconds to boot, and the thought of carrying an extra floppy everywhere my "portable" computer went seemed silly. Another option is to use the above program with: os2/ibm/misc/dbprep.zip And turn your DOS partition into a dual boot partition, which is what I did so I wouldn't have to repartition my disk. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 13:56:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05776 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 13:55:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24001; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:14:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:14:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23993; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:13:53 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA01050; Thu, 11 Aug 94 12:13:10 MDT Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 12:13:10 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9408111813.AA01050@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: hibernation w/PCMCIA Status: OR What's the general concensus out there regarding hibernation with PCMCIA cards? Is it necessary to either remove and replace the card or restart the computer following hibernation? I've been having some strange things happening when trying to access my PCMCIA modem after returning from hibernation. If the machine has been in hibernation for about 24 hours or less, everything works fine: computer starts normally, modem is recognized, everthing is peachy. If the machine has been in hibernation for two or three days, however, one of two things happen: either the computer locks-up as soon as it tries to access the modem, or whatever software is trying to find the modem tells me that the modem is not responding. Either way, a system restart fixes the problem. (I haven't tried removing and replacing the PCMCIA card yet, as it's easier to push CTRL-ALT-DEL than it is to remove the cover on the PCMCIA slot and then eject the card). I think IBM's position is that it is generally necessary to reseat the card after hibernation, as one of their tech support people with whom I spoke suggested that the card forgets everything it ever knew once power to the card is shut off. I would really appreciate hearing how other people out there work around this minor annoyance........anybody? Thanks, - Karl Yeanoplos Denver, CO. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 14:57:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21174 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:57:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28720; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:17:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:17:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28713; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:17:05 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id MAA09729; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:17:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199408111917.MAA09729@netcom16.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:17:03 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Re: FuelGauge vs Modem programs X-Mailer: Status: OR > Is it just me, or is the fuel gauge program (under windows) >really unpleasant when being used with a modem program? > > I just updated all of my drivers (utility disk 1.31), but the >windows fuel program still gets "unstable" when I bring up PC-Xware. >Or try to Fax. > > Any thoughts?? To whom does one complain at IBM? Unstable how? I don't have any trouble with mine (on 755cs) while procomm/fax/eudora is running.. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 15:05:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23221 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:05:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28907; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:19:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:19:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28900; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:19:06 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id MAA09956; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:19:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199408111919.MAA09956@netcom16.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:18:53 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Re: Repair Suggestions X-Mailer: Status: OR >What would you do if IBM did this to your 750. Buy a gun. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 15:51:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04480 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:51:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02546; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:54:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:54:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02539; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:54:52 -0400 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id MAA25196; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:55:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Hosmer Subject: 755C for sale To: Thinkpad List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I have been notified that my ordered 750C has been received. Since there now is no 750C it is a 755C with a 170Mb hard drive. I would be willing to sell that or my current 750C with a 340Mb hard drive. Please let me know if you are interested. shosmer@netcom.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 16:02:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06922 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:02:25 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04640; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:10:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:10:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ormail.intel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04615; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:10:20 -0400 Received: from relay.jf.intel.com by ormail.intel.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0qYgRd-000MQkC; Thu, 11 Aug 94 13:09 PDT Received: from ccm.hf.intel.com by relay.jf.intel.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0qYgQ8-000twdC; Thu, 11 Aug 94 13:08 PDT Received: by ccm.hf.intel.com (ccmgate 3.0) Thu, 11 Aug 94 13:08:12 PST Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 13:08:12 PST From: Arland Kunz Message-Id: <940811130812_4@ccm.hf.intel.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Member of the 75X club Status: OR Text item: Text_1 Hi, I just found this group and have subscribed to it. Just as an introduction I am Arland Kunz and work with Intel. The system that I have is the 755C with 8 meg RAM, 345 meg HD, IBM PCMCIA 10BaseT ethernet card working on Novell, and a 1.44 Data/FAX modem card also from IBM. Along with this I also have a collection of several other PCMCIA cards, include SCSI I and II, GPS, SOUND, Video Capture, etc. The operating S/W includes PC DOS 6.3, and windows 3.1. I will be putting Chicago on it soon, as I have Chicago on my deskside system now. The reason that I have so many cards is that I work in the Intel Architecture Labs working with and in PCMCIA. I have the previledge to have to go to all of the PCMCIA meetings. Along with this, the group that I am in is the group that produced the ExCA specification and test suites. These suites are used to test platforms for compliance with the PCMCIA specifications. Sorry about the long winded intro, but I though it would be good to let everone know a little of my background. Arland... arland_kunz@ccm.hf.intel.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 17:12:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21349 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:12:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12436; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:33:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:33:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12429; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:33:12 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id OAA26190; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:33:33 -0700 From: jonk@netcom.com (Jonathan Dale Kirwan) Message-Id: <199408112133.OAA26190@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: New member intro To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:33:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hi. I'm new on this mail list. I'm Jon Kirwan, self-employed as a consultant for programming of scientific instruments and some electronics design work. I have an autistic daughter who uses all of the Living Books series of CD-ROM programs and some others on a daily basis. Getting a portable with multi-media capabilities is foremost in my mind. We also intend to use it for my programming or my wife's script writing when travel is involved. (We take our daughter out on tours, showing how the computer and software can work together well to help develop better communications skills. We do not sell these products nor do we charge anyone for our help, at least in this area.) We have _not_ purchased a portable yet, but the 755C is high on my list. The only reason for delay is the high cost and low availability. Jon jonk@netcom.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 18:57:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08226 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 18:57:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21519; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 19:11:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 19:11:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21512; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 19:11:18 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA10910; Thu, 11 Aug 94 19:11:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 19:11:15 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408112311.AA10910@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, shosmer@netcom.com Subject: Re: 755C for sale Status: OR incidentally, 755C's are now available at a number of stores in NYC. Typical price for 75MHz/170meg is about 5400-5600. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 20:15:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17414 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:15:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00282; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:36:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:36:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9 by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00270; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:36:31 -0400 Received: by netcom9 (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id RAA00350; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:36:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199408120036.RAA00350@netcom9> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:36:28 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Re: hibernation w/PCMCIA X-Mailer: Status: OR > > What's the general concensus out there regarding hibernation >with PCMCIA cards? Is it necessary to either remove and replace the >card or restart the computer following hibernation? Not here, my xjack 1144 works fine with hibernation. > I've been having some strange things happening when trying >to access my PCMCIA modem after returning from hibernation. If the >machine has been in hibernation for about 24 hours or less, everything >works fine: computer starts normally, modem is recognized, everthing >is peachy. If the machine has been in hibernation for two or three >days, however, one of two things happen: either the computer locks-up On the other hand, I've never been away from my tp for 2 or 3 days :) -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 20:15:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17492 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:15:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00416; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:37:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:37:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9 by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00383; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:37:24 -0400 Received: by netcom9 (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id RAA00440; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:37:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199408120037.RAA00440@netcom9> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:37:24 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: os/2 on 755cs X-Mailer: Status: OR I've been considering this, I have 2.1, is there anything else I need to get hold of before I start? Like video drivers, etc? -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 20:24:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18635 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:24:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00315; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:36:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:36:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9 by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00300; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:36:52 -0400 Received: by netcom9 (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id RAA00395; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:37:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199408120037.RAA00395@netcom9> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:36:35 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: win32s (long) X-Mailer: Status: OR Here's my setup, win32s.ini, win.ini, system.ini, config.sys, autoexec.bat I only use one 32s app, an mpeg viewer, and it works fine. I've included everything here, not wanting to inadvertantly snip something useful.. ------ WIN32S.INI [Win32s] Setup=1 Version=1.1.88.0 [Nls] AnsiCP=1252 [Freecell] Setup=1 Version=1.1.88.0 ------ WIN.INI [windows] spooler=yes load=c:\windows\mouse\pointer.exe run= Beep=yes NullPort=None BorderWidth=3 CursorBlinkRate=530 DoubleClickSpeed=452 Programs=com exe bat pif Documents= DeviceNotSelectedTimeout=15 TransmissionRetryTimeout=45 KeyboardDelay=2 KeyboardSpeed=31 ScreenSaveActive=0 ScreenSaveTimeOut=120 MouseTrails=7 MouseThreshold1=0 MouseThreshold2=0 MouseSpeed=0 CoolSwitch=1 MouseTrails=-4 device=IBM Proprinter,proprint,LPT1: defaultqueuesize=16 [Desktop] Pattern=(None) Wallpaper=TRONTANK.BMP GridGranularity=0 IconSpacing=75 TileWallPaper=0 [Extensions] cal=calendar.exe ^.cal crd=cardfile.exe ^.crd trm=terminal.exe ^.trm ini=notepad.exe ^.ini pcx=pbrush.exe ^.pcx bmp=pbrush.exe ^.bmp wri=write.exe ^.wri rec=recorder.exe ^.rec ;======== PC DOS 6 Setup Modification - Begin ======== set=c:\app\cps\wnbackup.exe ^.set ;======== PC DOS 6 Setup Modification - End ======== run=c:\app\cps\wnsrun.exe ^.run sct=c:\app\cps\wnscript.exe ^.sct ofc=c:\app\cps\wndtlib.exe ^.ofc evt=c:\app\cps\wnsd.exe ^.evt icl=c:\app\cps\wnie.exe ^.icl ico=c:\app\cps\wnie.exe ^.ico doc=C:\APP\WORD\WINWORD.EXE ^.doc dot=C:\APP\WORD\WINWORD.EXE ^.dot rtf=C:\APP\WORD\WINWORD.EXE ^.rtf frm=C:\CMP\VB\vb.exe ^.frm mak=C:\CMP\VB\vb.exe ^.mak bas=C:\CMP\VB\vb.exe ^.bas xla=C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE ^.xla xlc=C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE ^.xlc xll=C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE ^.xll xlm=C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE ^.xlm xls=C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE ^.xls xlt=C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE ^.xlt xlw=C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE ^.xlw xlb=C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE ^.xlb [intl] sLanguage=enu sCountry=United States iCountry=1 iDate=0 iTime=0 iTLZero=0 iCurrency=0 iCurrDigits=2 iNegCurr=0 iLzero=1 iDigits=2 iMeasure=1 s1159=AM s2359=PM sCurrency=$ sThousand=, sDecimal=. sDate=/ sTime=: sList=, sShortDate=M/d/yy sLongDate=dddd, MMMM dd, yyyy [ports] ; A line with [filename].PRN followed by an equal sign causes ; [filename] to appear in the Control Panel's Printer Configuration dialog ; box. A printer connected to [filename] directs its output into this file. LPT1:= LPT2:= LPT3:= COM1:=9600,n,8,1,x COM2:=19200,n,8,1,x COM3:=9600,n,8,1,x COM4:=9600,n,8,1,x EPT:= FILE:= LPT1.DOS= LPT2.DOS= [FontSubstitutes] Helv=MS Sans Serif Tms Rmn=MS Serif Times=Times New Roman Helvetica=Arial [TrueType] [mci extensions] wav=waveaudio mid=sequencer rmi=sequencer avi=AVIVideo [Compatibility] NOTSHELL=0x0001 WPWINFIL=0x0006 CCMAIL=0x0008 AMIPRO=0x0010 REM=0x8022 PIXIE=0x0040 CP=0x0040 JW=0x42080 TME=0x0100 VB=0x0200 WIN2WRS=0x1210 PACKRAT=0x0800 VISION=0x0040 MCOURIER=0x0800 _BNOTES=0x24000 MILESV3=0x1000 PM4=0x2000 DESIGNER=0x2000 PLANNER=0x2000 DRAW=0x2000 WINSIM=0x2000 CHARISMA=0x2000 PR2=0x2000 PLUS=0x1000 ED=0x00010000 APORIA=0x0100 EXCEL=0x1000 GUIDE=0x1000 NETSET2=0x0100 W4GL=0x4000 W4GLR=0x4000 TURBOTAX=0x00080000 [Microsoft Word 2.0] HPDSKJET=+1 [fonts] Modern (Plotter)=MODERN.FON Script (Plotter)=SCRIPT.FON Roman (Plotter)=ROMAN.FON Small Fonts (VGA res)=SMALLE.FON Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SYMBOLE.FON MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SERIFE.FON Courier 10,12,15 (VGA res)=COURE.FON MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SSERIFE.FON Arial (TrueType)=ARIAL.FOT Arial Bold (TrueType)=ARIALBD.FOT Arial Bold Italic (TrueType)=ARIALBI.FOT Arial Italic (TrueType)=ARIALI.FOT Courier New (TrueType)=COUR.FOT Courier New Bold (TrueType)=COURBD.FOT Courier New Italic (TrueType)=COURI.FOT Times New Roman (TrueType)=TIMES.FOT Times New Roman Bold (TrueType)=TIMESBD.FOT Times New Roman Bold Italic (TrueType)=TIMESBI.FOT Times New Roman Italic (TrueType)=TIMESI.FOT Courier New Bold Italic (TrueType)=COURBI.FOT WingDings (TrueType)=WINGDING.FOT Symbol (TrueType)=SYMBOL.FOT ArchitectUS Regular (TrueType)=ARCHITE0.FOT Arial Rounded MT Bold (TrueType)=ARLRDBD0.FOT BauhausUS Bold (TrueType)=BAUSB__0.FOT BauhausUS Regular (TrueType)=BAUSL__0.FOT Black Chancery (TrueType)=CHANCER0.FOT Braggadocio (TrueType)=BRAGGA_0.FOT Brush Script MT Italic (TrueType)=BRUSHSC0.FOT Caligula (TrueType)=CALIGUL0.FOT Century Gothic (TrueType)=GOTHIC_0.FOT Chopin (TrueType)=CHOPIN_0.FOT CloisterUS Bold (TrueType)=CLOISUS0.FOT Courier 10,12,15 (8514/a res)=COURF.FON DearMomUS Regular (TrueType)=DEMUS__0.FOT Desdemona (TrueType)=DESDEMO0.FOT DragonwyckUS Regular (TrueType)=DRAGON_0.FOT Fixedsys (Set #6)=VGAFIX.FON Fixedsys for the IBM 8514=8514FIX.FON GoudyHundred (TrueType)=GOH____0.FOT GreekSenatorUS Regular (TrueType)=GRSUS__0.FOT HaloweenUS Regular (TrueType)=HAUS___0.FOT HeidelbergUS Regular (TrueType)=HEIDEL_0.FOT KaufmanUS Regular (TrueType)=KAUST__0.FOT LotusLineDraw (TrueType)=LOLD___0.FOT Lucida Calligraphy Italic (TrueType)=LCALLIG0.FOT MaidstoneUS Regular (TrueType)=MAID___0.FOT Matura MT Script Capitals (TrueType)=MATURAS0.FOT Modern (All res)=MODERN.FON MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (8514 res)=SSERIFF.FON MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (8514 res)=SERIFF.FON MS-DOS CP 437=DOSAPP.FON MT Extra (TrueType)=MTEXTRA0.FOT OldEnglishUS Regular (TrueType)=OLEUS__0.FOT OptimaThinUS Regular (TrueType)=OPTUS__0.FOT ParadoxUS Regular (TrueType)=PARAD__0.FOT PigNoseUS Regular (TrueType)=PIG____0.FOT Playbill (TrueType)=PLAYBIL0.FOT Polo (TrueType)=POLO___0.FOT ReynoldsCapsUS Regular (TrueType)=RECUS__0.FOT RiversideUS Regular (TrueType)=RIUS___0.FOT Roman (All res)=ROMAN.FON SaharaDesertUS Regular (TrueType)=SADUS__0.FOT SaintFrancis (TrueType)=SAF____0.FOT Script (All res)=SCRIPT.FON Small Fonts (8514/a res)=SMALLF.FON Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24 (8514/a RES)=SYMBOLF.FON System (Set #6)=VGASYS.FON Terminal=EGA80WOA.FON Terminal (US) (Set #6)=VGAOEM.FON Terminal Font for the IBM 8514=8514OEM.FON UnicalUS Regular (TrueType)=UNICAL_0.FOT Wide Latin (TrueType)=LATINWD0.FOT PCPlus 437=PW437.FON PCPlus 437 TrueType (TrueType)=PCP437TT.FOT PCPlus Extra=PWEXT.FON PCPlus Extra TrueType (TrueType)=PCPETT__.FOT PCPLUSKB=PWKEYMAP.FON [embedding] SoundRec=Sound,Sound,SoundRec.exe,picture Package=Package,Package,packager.exe,picture PBrush=Paintbrush Picture,Paintbrush Picture,pbrush.exe,picture ScreenCamMovie=Lotus ScreenCam Movie,Lotus ScreenCam Movie,C:\APP\SCRNCAM\SCRNCAM.EXE,picture MPlayer=Media Clip,Media Clip,mplayer.exe,picture ScriptTools=Central Point ScriptTools,Central Point ScriptTools,c:\app\cps\wnscript.exe,picture Word.Document.6=Microsoft Word 6.0 Document,Microsoft Word 6.0 Document,C:\APP\WORD\WINWORD.EXE,picture Word.Picture.6=Microsoft Word 6.0 Picture,Microsoft Word 6.0 Picture,C:\APP\WORD\WINWORD.EXE,picture WordDocument=Microsoft Word 2.0 Document,Microsoft Word 2.0 Document,C:\APP\WORD\WINWORD.EXE,picture ExcelMacrosheet=Microsoft Excel Macrosheet,Microsoft Excel Macrosheet,C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE,picture ExcelWorksheet=Microsoft Excel Worksheet,Microsoft Excel Worksheet,C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE,picture ExcelChart=Microsoft Excel Chart,Microsoft Excel Chart,C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE,picture Excel.Sheet.5=Microsoft Excel 5.0 Worksheet,Microsoft Excel 5.0 Worksheet,C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE,picture Excel.Chart.5=Microsoft Excel 5.0 Chart,Microsoft Excel 5.0 Chart,C:\APP\EXCEL\EXCEL.EXE,picture ViewerFrameClass=QuickTime Picture,QuickTime Picture,c:\nil\viewer.exe,picture PlayerFrameClass=QuickTime Movie,QuickTime Movie,c:\app\quicktim\player.exe,picture [pcdos] ;======== PC DOS 6 Setup Modification - Begin ======== pcdos=C:\DOS\DATA\WNUSER.INI ;======== PC DOS 6 Setup Modification - End ======== [PRODIGY] DIR=C:\PRODIGY [colors] GrayText=128 128 128 Background=192 192 192 AppWorkspace=255 255 128 Window=255 255 255 WindowText=0 0 0 Menu=255 255 255 MenuText=0 0 0 ActiveTitle=0 0 128 InactiveTitle=255 255 255 TitleText=255 255 255 ActiveBorder=128 0 0 InactiveBorder=255 255 255 WindowFrame=0 0 0 Scrollbar=192 192 192 ButtonFace=192 192 192 ButtonShadow=128 128 128 ButtonText=0 0 0 Hilight=0 0 128 HilightText=255 255 255 InactiveTitleText=0 0 0 ButtonHilight=255 255 255 [cc:Mail] User0Dir=C:\WINDOWS\CCMAIL PROGVER=200 LastLoginMode=MOBILE Dialog=FULL ProgramPath=C:\CCMOBILE tour=c:\ccmobile\tour\tour.exe [Mail] SMI=1 [LotusMail] Application=wMail Program=C:\CCMOBILE\WMAIL.EXE SENDMAIL [Windows Help] H_WindowPosition=[213,160,213,160,0] M_WindowPosition=[6,4,604,412,0] C_WindowPosition=[24,69,600,225,0] [WAOL] WPFLAGS=2 WPSHOWCMD=3 WPPTMINPOSX=0 WPPTMINPOSY=0 WPPTMAXPOSX=0 WPPTMAXPOSY=0 WPNPOSTOP=0 WPNPOSBOT=480 WPNPOSLEFT=0 WPNPOSRIGHT=640 [LRGPTR] Icon=ON Style=2 [spooler] window=44 44 592 364 [drawdib] VGAC24.DRV 640x480x8(5)=11,0,0,0 [AAPLAY Animation] DualScreen=0 FullScreen=AAVGA.DLL FullInstalled=1 ConfigTime=486093597 WaveAudio=c,522 [PrinterPorts] HP LaserJet=HPPCL,LPT1:,15,45 IBM Laser Printer 4019=ibm4019,LPT1:,15,45 IBM Proprinter=proprint,LPT1:,15,45 [cps] cps2=c:\app\cps\data\wnuser.ini [MSapp] MSapp=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp WORDART=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\WORDART PROOF=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\PROOF TEXTCONV=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\TEXTCONV GRPHFLT=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\GRPHFLT MSINFO=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\MSINFO MSGRAPH=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\MSGRAPH EQUATION=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\EQUATION [MS Proofing Tools] Spelling 1033,0=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\PROOF\MSSPEL2.DLL,C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\PROOF\MSSP2_EN.LEX Spelling 2057,0=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\PROOF\MSSPEL2.DLL,C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\PROOF\MSSP2_EN.LEX Thesaurus 1033,0=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\PROOF\MSTHES.DLL,C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\PROOF\MSTH_AM.LEX [MS Text Converters] MSWordWin2=Word for Windows 2.0, C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\TEXTCONV\WORDWIN2.CNV, doc MSWordMac4=Word for Macintosh 4.0, C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\TEXTCONV\WORDMAC.CNV, mcw MSWordMac5=Word for Macintosh 5.0, C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\TEXTCONV\WORDMAC.CNV, mcw MSWordMac=Word for Macintosh 5.1, C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\TEXTCONV\WORDMAC.CNV, mcw MSWord6=Word for Windows 6.0, C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\TEXTCONV\MSWORD6.CNV, doc MSWord6Mac=Word for Macintosh 6.0, C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\TEXTCONV\MSWORD6.CNV, doc MSWinWrite=Windows Write 3.1, C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\TEXTCONV\WRITWIN.CNV, wri Windows Write 3.0=Windows Write 3.0, C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\TEXTCONV\WRITWIN.CNV, wri [MS Graphic Import Filters] Computer Graphics Metafile(.CGM)=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS\GRPHFLT\CGMIMP.FLT,CGM Encapsulated PostScript(.EPS)=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS\GRPHFLT\EPSIMP.FLT,EPS Tagged Image Format(.TIF)=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS\GRPHFLT\TIFFIMP.FLT,TIF PC Paintbrush(.PCX)=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS\GRPHFLT\PCXIMP.FLT,PCX CompuServe GIF(.GIF)=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\GRPHFLT\GIFIMP.FLT,GIF Macintosh PICT(.PCT)=C:\WINDOWS\MSapp\GRPHFLT\PICTIMP.FLT,PCT Windows Metafile(.WMF)=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS\GRPHFLT\WMFIMP.FLT,WMF [MS Setup (ACME) Table Files] WINWORD.EXE@v6.0.0.2222(1033)=C:\APP\WORD\SETUP\SETUP.STF EXCEL.EXE@v5.0.0.2414(1033)=C:\APP\EXCEL\setup\setup.stf [SmoothTalker] Pitch=4 Speed=4 Volume=9 Mode=113 Dictionary=C:\APP\MONOLOGW\SPINE.DIC [devices] HP LaserJet=HPPCL,LPT1: IBM Laser Printer 4019=ibm4019,LPT1: IBM Proprinter=proprint,LPT1: [SciCalc] layout=0 [Paintbrush] width=320 height=100 clear=COLOR [WinG] vgac24.drv640x480x8(0,10)v3.10.0.0-0.0.0.27=GCGFGCGFGCGFGCGFDDEEDDEEDDEEDDEE DDEEGEGFDDGEDDGEDDEEDDEEDDEEDDGE1H [sounds] SystemAsterisk=chord.wav,Asterisk CPSApplicationLaunch=,CPSApplicationLaunch CPSCompressFile=,CPSCompressFile CPSCreateByDrop=C:\LIB\SOUND\LAMB.WAV,CPSCreateByDrop CPSCreateDirectory=,CPSCreateDirectory CPSDecryptFile=,CPSDecryptFile CPSDeleteFile=C:\LIB\SOUND\NONO.WAV,CPSDeleteFile CPSDesktopClose=,CPSDesktopClose CPSDesktopOpen=,CPSDesktopOpen CPSDesktopSwitch=,CPSDesktopSwitch CPSDisplayItemPopupMenu=C:\LIB\SOUND\WHOOSH.WAV,CPSDisplayItemPopupMenu CPSEncryptFile=,CPSEncryptFile CPSExpandFile=,CPSExpandFile CPSFolderClose=,CPSFolderClose CPSFolderOpen=,CPSFolderOpen CPSItemDelete=,CPSItemDelete CPSOfficeClose=,CPSOfficeClose CPSOfficeOpen=,CPSOfficeOpen CPSUndeleteFile=,CPSUndeleteFile SystemHand=C:\LIB\SOUND\MOVIE\GAMEOVER.WAV,Critical Stop SystemDefault=C:\LIB\SOUND\GLASS.WAV,Default Beep SystemExclamation=C:\LIB\SOUND\GUNFIRE.WAV,Exclamation File's Done=FileDone.wav,File's Done Goodbye=Goodbye.wav,Goodbye IM=IM.wav,IM SystemQuestion=C:\LIB\SOUND\BONSAI.WAV,Question Welcome=C:\LIB\SOUND\MOVIE\BOYOHBOY.WAV,Welcome WinCIM Async Message=C:\app\CSERVE\support\wcasyn.wav,WinCIM Async Message WinCIM Forum Conf=C:\app\CSERVE\support\wcforcon.wav,WinCIM Conference in Progress WinCIM ENS Notice=,WinCIM ENS Notice WinCIM Enter CB=,WinCIM Enter CB WinCIM Enter ENS=,WinCIM Enter ENS WinCIM Enter Forum=,WinCIM Enter Forum WinCIM Exit=C:\app\CSERVE\support\wcexit.wav,WinCIM Exit WinCIM Forum Messages=C:\app\CSERVE\support\wcformes.wav,WinCIM Forum Messages WinCIM Forum Notice=,WinCIM Forum Notice WinCIM Get New Mail=C:\app\CSERVE\support\wcgetmai.wav,WinCIM Get New Mail WinCIM Invitation=C:\app\CSERVE\support\wcinvite.wav,WinCIM Group Invitation WinCIM Host Disconnect=,WinCIM Host Disconnect WinCIM Inactive Talk=C:\app\CSERVE\support\wcinact.wav,WinCIM Inactive Talk WinCIM Leave CB=,WinCIM Leave CB WinCIM Leave ENS=,WinCIM Leave ENS WinCIM Leave Forum=,WinCIM Leave Forum WinCIM Start=C:\app\CSERVE\support\wcstart.wav,WinCIM Start WinCIM Terminate HMI=,WinCIM Terminate HMI WinCIM Wait Message=,WinCIM Wait Message WinCIM What's New=C:\app\CSERVE\support\wcwhtnew.wav,WinCIM What's New SystemExit=C:\LIB\SOUND\PYTHON\DEATH.WAV,Windows Exit SystemStart=C:\LIB\SOUND\BEV-BUTT\NOLAUGH.WAV,Windows Start You've Got Mail=C:\LIB\SOUND\RENSTIMP\NO_WHIZ.WAV,You've Got Mail [MS User Info] DefName=Jesse Montrose DefCompany=spine.com [MSAPPS] MSAPPS=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS GRPHFLT=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS\GRPHFLT PROOF=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS\PROOF MSINFO=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS\MSINFO MSQUERY=C:\WINDOWS\MSAPPS\MSQUERY [SimAnt] autotrack=0 music=0 effects=1 events=1 messages=1 silly=0 mapuserbutton0=15 yarduserbutton0=15 mapuserbutton1=0 yarduserbutton1=0 mapuserbutton2=1 yarduserbutton2=1 mapuserbutton3=3 yarduserbutton3=3 mapuserbutton4=7 yarduserbutton4=7 mapuserbutton5=6 yarduserbutton5=6 mapuserbutton6=5 yarduserbutton6=5 mapuserbutton7=10 yarduserbutton7=10 ------ SYSTEM.INI [boot] 386grabber=v7vga.3gr oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon 286grabber=vgac24.2gr fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon fonts.fon=vgasys.fon display.drv=vgac24.drv shell=c:\app\cps\wndt.exe mouse.drv=c:\windows\mouse\mouse.drv ;mouse.drv=mouse.drv network.drv= language.dll= drivers=mmsystem.dll power.drv winmm16.dll sound.drv=mmsound.drv comm.drv=comm.drv keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv system.drv=system.drv SCRNSAVE.EXE=(None) taskman.exe=c:\app\cps\wndt /tm oldshell=progman.exe [keyboard] subtype=0 type=4 keyboard.dll= oemansi.bin= [boot.description] aspect=100,96,96 displayinf=OEM1.INF display.drv=SVGA(WD90C24) 640x480 256 colors small fonts keyboard.typ=Enhanced 101 or 102 key US and Non US keyboards mouse.drv=Microsoft Mouse version 9.00 network.drv=No Network Installed language.dll=English (American) system.drv=MS-DOS System with APM codepage=437 woafont.fon=English (437) [386Enh] device=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WIN32S\W32S.386 device=dstask.386 device=c:\app\cps\system\voptd.386 display=vddc24.386 EGA80WOA.FON=EGA80WOA.FON EGA40WOA.FON=EGA40WOA.FON CGA80WOA.FON=CGA80WOA.FON CGA40WOA.FON=CGA40WOA.FON EnableVESABIOS=Yes ;======== PC DOS 6 Setup Modification - Begin ======== ;device=C:\DOS\SYSTEM\CPBVXD.386 ;======== PC DOS 6 Setup Modification - End ======== device=dva.386 device=tpaudvxd.386 32BitDiskAccess=on device=*int13 device=*wdctrl mouse=*vmd network=*dosnet,*vnetbios device=vpowerd.386 ebios=*ebios woafont=dosapp.fon ;keyboard=*vkd keyboard=mousevkd.386 device=vtdapi.386 device=*vpicd device=*vtd device=*reboot device=*vdmad device=*vsd device=*v86mmgr device=*pageswap device=*dosmgr device=*vmpoll device=*wshell device=*BLOCKDEV device=*PAGEFILE device=*vfd device=*parity device=*biosxlat ; device=*vcd device=*vmcpd device=*combuff device=*cdpscsi local=CON FileSysChange=off DMABUFFERSIZE=018 device=IBMVCD.386 ; If COM_BDA_VIRTUAL=true, virtualize BIOS Data area 40:0 -- 40:8 COM_BDA_VIRTUAL=FALSE COMVerifyBase=false COM1Base=3F8 COM2Base=02F8 COM3Base=3E8 COM4Base=2E8 COM1IRQ=4 COM2IRQ=3 COM3IRQ=3 COM4IRQ=3 EMMExclude=C800-CFFF NoEmmDriver=ON MinTimeslice=20 WinTimeslice=100,50 WinExclusive=0 Com1AutoAssign=1 Com2AutoAssign=2 Com3AutoAssign=2 Com4AutoAssign=2 PermSwapDOSDrive=C PermSwapSizeK=8000 [standard] [NonWindowsApp] localtsrs=dosedit,ced [mci] WaveAudio=mciwave.drv Sequencer=mciseq.drv CDAudio=mcicda.drv AVIVideo=mciavi.drv [drivers] timer=timer.drv midimapper=midimap.drv wave=ibmmme.drv midi=ibmmme.drv aux=ibmmme.drv VIDC.CVID=iccvid.drv VIDC.MSVC=msvidc.drv VIDC.IV31=indeov.drv VIDC.MRLE=MSRLE.drv VIDC.RT21=indeov.drv VIDC.YVU9=indeov.drv WaveMapper=msacm.drv MSACM.msadpcm=msadpcm.acm MSACM.imaadpcm=imaadpcm.acm [VGAC24] CursorColor=Normal CursorSize=Small HostBitBlt=No HWLineDraw=Yes FontCache=Yes HWCursor=Yes ResourceSize=Small Resolution=640x480 ------ CONFIG.SYS DEVICE=C:\BIN\DOS\himem.sys DEVICE=C:\BIN\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS HIGHSCAN X=C800-CFFF WIN=C500-C7FF WIN=C200-C4FF BUFFERS=10,0 FILES=30 DOS=UMB LASTDRIVE=E FCBS=16,0 REM ************************************************************* REM * Do not specify the memory range within C000:0-C0FF:F or * REM * D000:0-D0FF:F for PC cards. * REM ************************************************************* shell=c:\bin\4dos.com DOS=HIGH STACKS=9,256 DEVICEHIGH /L:0;2,8176 /S =C:\BIN\DOS\POWER.EXE DEVICE=C:\APP\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS DEVICE=C:\APP\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICE=C:\app\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C800-CFFF DEVICEHIGH /L:2,4048 =C:\APP\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICE=C:\APP\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\APP\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI DEVICE=C:\BIN\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE DEVICE=c:\bin\dos\ansi.sys ------ AUTOEXEC.BAT @echo off REM ___________________________ ENVIRONMENT SETTINGS path =c:\;c:\bin;c:\bin\dos;c:\windows;c:\bin\trumpet prompt $p$g set PCTOOLS=c:\app\cps\data set temp=c:\tmp set WIN$=C:\WINDOWS set pgppath=c:\app\pgp set tz=pst8pdt set yarn=c:\app\yarn set home=c:\app\yarn set arj_sw=-y alias /r c:\bin\aliases REM ___________________________ RESIDENT UTILS LH /L:0;2,24000 /S c:\windows\mouse\mouse.exe LH /L:2,16944 c:\bin\dos\share.exe /l:500 /f:5100 LH /L:0;2,16400 /S c:\bin\dos\smartdrv.exe c+ REM ___________________________ MAINTENANCE UTILS c:\app\cps\mirror c: /1 win -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 22:32:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05239 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 22:32:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02349; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:54:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:54:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02333; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:54:22 -0400 Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id RAA10823; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:54:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199408120054.RAA10823@netcom13.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 17:54:28 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Re: New Member of the 75X club X-Mailer: Status: OR So what's your favorite way to hook scsi to your tp? > I just found this group and have subscribed to it. Just as an > introduction I am Arland Kunz and work with Intel. The system that > I have is the 755C with 8 meg RAM, 345 meg HD, IBM PCMCIA 10BaseT > ethernet card working on Novell, and a 1.44 Data/FAX modem card > also from IBM. Along with this I also have a collection of several > other PCMCIA cards, include SCSI I and II, GPS, SOUND, Video > Capture, etc. The operating S/W includes PC DOS 6.3, and windows > 3.1. I will be putting Chicago on it soon, as I have Chicago on my > deskside system now. Please keep us all informed about your chicago adventure! -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 11 22:49:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06958 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Aug 1994 22:49:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03021; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 23:21:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 23:21:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02983; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 23:21:17 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA11147; Thu, 11 Aug 94 23:21:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 23:21:14 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408120321.AA11147@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, jesse@netcom.com Subject: Re: os/2 on 755cs Status: OR the disks that came with your 755cs have everything you need (for an os/2 installation) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 12 08:19:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20490 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 08:19:52 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08270; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 08:43:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 08:43:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08263; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 08:43:56 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA11649; Fri, 12 Aug 94 08:43:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 94 08:43:49 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408121243.AA11649@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: POZAR%ANTLAM@ecs.umass.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: unsubscribe Status: OR it is annoying how many messages are broadcast for such purposes. Can someone repeat how to do this without annoying everyone else! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 12 14:16:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28379 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:14:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01354; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:04:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:03:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01333; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:03:49 -0400 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA05116; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 20:01:04 +0200 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id UAA28430 (8.6.9/); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 20:00:25 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 20:00:25 +0200 Message-Id: <199408121800.UAA28430@asimov.cnam.fr> To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: External Devices Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, jesse@netcom.com Status: OR Re SCSI - I've been using a Trantor mini-SCSI EPP parallel port adapter cost me less than 170$ and drives my ex-Apple Syquest, and Real-Apple CD-ROM. The adapter is in the cable/plug, and requires no power supply. Comes with software to format and lock devices too. Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 12 14:47:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05549 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:47:03 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04135; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:38:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:38:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04128; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:38:22 -0400 Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA11476; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 11:38:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199408121838.LAA11476@netcom9.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 11:38:30 -0700 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Mailer: Status: OR >it is annoying how many messages are broadcast for such purposes. Can someone >repeat how to do this without annoying everyone else! Doesn't matter how often you repeat it, more people will come who haven't heard it yet. I'm gonna cook up a procmail recipe to filter them, and I'll post it when I get it working.. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 12 17:32:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08042 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 17:32:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18487; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 17:50:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 17:50:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18479; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 17:50:17 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01204 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 16:49:57 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199408122149.AA01204@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: NT 3.1/3.5 on TP? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 16:49:56 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "Fraass" at Aug 12, 94 10:28:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Can anyone relate experiences about Windows-NT on a Thinkpad? I was > considering installing Daytona when it's released, but am a little concerned I don't know about Daytona but the current NT will run on TPs as long as you pick up a fix from microsoft.com. If Daytona is any good, I'm sure drivers will become available. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 12 19:49:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24209 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 19:49:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25204; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 20:15:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 20:15:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25179; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 20:15:35 -0400 From: Received: by mail02.prod.aol.net (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA13756; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 20:15:03 -0400 X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "MReagin" Message-Id: <9408122015.tn1028084@aol.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 12 Aug 94 20:15:02 EDT Subject: PCMCIA, EZPLAY and 3COM 3c589 Status: OR I have an IBM TP750 with 12 Meg of RAM and a 340 Meg HD. I also have a 3com 3C589 ethernet card in slot 1 and a Megahertz XJACK in slot two. Up until today I was using the card services software that came with the XJACK. I got the EZPLAY software and installed it. The modem works fine, but the 3com card's STATUS is listed as not ready in the windows ezplay software. Does anyone else have a similar configuration? How should my config.sys and autodrv.ini look? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Mike Reagin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 12 21:09:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01525 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:09:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00155; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:38:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:38:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00146; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:38:52 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA06013; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 18:38:50 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA23454; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 18:38:48 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408130138.SAA23454@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: PCMCIA, EZPLAY and 3COM 3c589 To: MReagin@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 18:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9408122015.tn1028084@aol.com> from "MReagin@aol.com" at Aug 12, 94 08:15:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > I have an IBM TP750 with 12 Meg of RAM and a 340 Meg HD. I also > have a 3com 3C589 ethernet card in slot 1 and a Megahertz XJACK > in slot two. Up until today I was using the card services software > that came with the XJACK. I'm thinking of getting an XJack modem (but I'm waiting for a V.34) and I already have the 3Com card you speak of. A question: Can you use the 3Com card on the network and the Xjack modem at the same time, or does the 3Com card physically interfere with the phone like connection in the XJack thing? > I got the EZPLAY software and installed it. The modem works fine, > but the 3com card's STATUS is listed as not ready in the > windows ezplay software. The point is--does it *function*? If so, who cares what EZPlay has to say about the 3Com card? Just FYI, the 3Com card doesn't require or use any of the EZPlay or PCMCIA card services drivers. In fact, sometimes these drivers cause it problems. At any rate, as long as it functions, don't be concerned what EZPlay has to say about the 3Com card. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 12 21:14:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01947 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:14:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00748; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:46:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:46:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00741; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:46:27 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA06290 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 18:46:24 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA23781 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 18:46:23 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408130146.SAA23781@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: PCMCIA question... To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 18:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I just got thinking: Why do we have to load some silly driver(s) just to make use of our PCMCIA slots? We don't have to do that for most cards that get stuck in your desktop ISA/EISA/VLB/PCI slots! Why couldn't PCMCIA be designed to be rather transparent (but functional) to the operating system, just like a "normal" bus design such as the above? Has anybody ever had to load a driver to make their internal ISA modem work? I didn't think so. So why do we have to do so to make a PCMCIA modem work? ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 12 22:28:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08024 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 12 Aug 1994 22:28:43 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04342; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 22:52:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 22:52:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04335; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 22:52:40 -0400 From: Received: by mail02.prod.aol.net (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA15029; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 22:52:06 -0400 X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "MReagin" Message-Id: <9408122252.tn1034273@aol.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 12 Aug 94 22:52:04 EDT Subject: Megahertz XJACK and other cards Status: OR >Can you >use the 3Com card on the network and the Xjack modem at the >same time, or >does the 3Com card physically interfere with the phone like >connection in the XJack thing? You cannot use the XJACK and the 3com card at the same time, because when the telephone jack is plugged in it interferes with the 3com connector. I love the XJACK modem (even with this limitation). I would highly recommend it. Mike Reagin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 13 07:59:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00892 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 13 Aug 1994 07:59:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08717; Sat, 13 Aug 1994 08:28:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 13 Aug 1994 08:28:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08710; Sat, 13 Aug 1994 08:28:13 -0400 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Sat, 13 Aug 94 14:28 MEST Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qZICq-000aVLC; Sat, 13 Aug 94 14:29 MET DST Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 14:26:34 +0200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Fraass) Subject: Re: PCMCIA, EZPLAY and 3COM 3c589 X-Mailer: Status: OR > The point is--does it *function*? If so, who cares what EZPlay has to >say about the 3Com card? > > Just FYI, the 3Com card doesn't require or use any of the EZPlay or >PCMCIA card services drivers. In fact, sometimes these drivers cause it >problems. At any rate, as long as it functions, don't be concerned what >EZPlay has to say about the 3Com card. Except for three points, if I understand things correctly. One, EZPlay supports hot-plugging, so you can swap out cards on the fly. Not a big deal for me now, as I only have two cards, but I've been dreaming about an external SCSI for a while, so maybe soon ... Second, with EZPlay the cards are functional after the machine returns from hibernation; with my (non-EZPlay modem driver) hibernation is pretty much useless to me if I'm making regular use of the modem as I have to cold start the machine again anyway. Third, I suspect (haven't verified it, though) that the card manufacturers' drivers duplicate card and socket services functionality, so that they will eat up more DOS memory than the combination of EZPlay card & socket + the card enablers. As I posted earlier, I'm thinking seriously about moving to Daytona (the OS, not the city) when it's released, which is rumoured to be imminent. Allegedly it has transparent PCMCIA support for lotsa cards, and will end all this fiddling. I wouldn't bet the farm on it, though. Tim Vetter Frankfurt From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 13 14:50:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10976 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 13 Aug 1994 14:50:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23900; Sat, 13 Aug 1994 13:20:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 13 Aug 1994 13:20:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23886; Sat, 13 Aug 1994 13:20:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199408131720.NAA23886@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 94 13:17:58 EDT From: yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA, EZPLAY and 3COM 3c589 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Hi folks, Could someone summarize what kinds of pcmcia card are used in TP successfully? Especially, what kinds of card can be recognized by 'ezplay'? From the FAQ, I know the modems and LAN adapters have been used successfully. But how about SCSI, hard drive, flash memory, or sound card? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 14 13:37:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21084 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 14 Aug 1994 13:37:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09626; Sun, 14 Aug 1994 13:21:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 14 Aug 1994 13:21:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09620; Sun, 14 Aug 1994 13:21:42 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id NAA13491; Sun, 14 Aug 1994 13:08:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199408141708.NAA13491@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP), moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA question... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Aug 1994 18:46:22 PDT." <199408130146.SAA23781@aludra.usc.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 13:08:06 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > I just got thinking: Why do we have to load some silly driver(s) > just to make use of our PCMCIA slots? We don't have to do that for most > cards that get stuck in your desktop ISA/EISA/VLB/PCI slots! No, but you *do* have to set DIP switches or some other kind of soft configuration for these, right? With PCMCIA there's no way to have DIP switches, so instead you load enablers that talk to the pcmcia controller and map devices onto the PC's bus at the specified io/memory/irq locations. Then there are things like hot swap and power management, that aren't an issue with other bus technologies, but which are nice to have with PCMCIA. These require extra software support. Some PCMCIA cards (like modems) are designed to be register compatible with their ISA-bus counterparts, once you get them enabled. Then again there are other cards for which this is not the case. For those cards you need special driver software; the driver that's built into the BIOS (or OS/2 or whatever) isn't sufficient. PCMCIA is actually more general and in some ways more transparent than ISA. Given suitable drivers, you can plug several PCMCIA cards in the bus and not have them conflict with memory, io, or irq addresses -- the enabler software can map all of them to separate spaces. But if you want the PCMCIA cards to be mapped at the same locations as their ISA-bus counterparts, and if you also want to not conflict with any ISA-bus devices already present, it gets a bit tricky. And if you want to allow the user to specify that the PCMCIA modem in slot 2 gets mapped to COM4, well, you're back to adding lines to CONFIG.SYS. Keith Moore From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 14 13:37:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21093 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 14 Aug 1994 13:37:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03151; Sun, 14 Aug 1994 11:08:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 14 Aug 1994 11:08:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03144; Sun, 14 Aug 1994 11:08:14 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qZhA2-0004tqC; Sun, 14 Aug 94 10:07 CDT Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qZhA1-0009bXC; Sun, 14 Aug 94 10:07 CDT Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qZh9z-000BgtC; Sun, 14 Aug 94 10:07 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: PCMCIA question... To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 10:07:43 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199408130146.SAA23781@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Aug 12, 94 06:46:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I just got thinking: Why do we have to load some silly driver(s) > just to make use of our PCMCIA slots? We don't have to do that for most > cards that get stuck in your desktop ISA/EISA/VLB/PCI slots! Why couldn't > PCMCIA be designed to be rather transparent (but functional) to the > operating system, just like a "normal" bus design such as the above? > > Has anybody ever had to load a driver to make their internal > ISA modem work? I didn't think so. So why do we have to do so to make > a PCMCIA modem work? All that is really required for a PCMICA is a point enabler. The point enabler maps the modem's I/O (really serial port) onto one of the normal com port (well known addresses). In addition it updates a table in the bios such that the com port exists, as far as the bios is concerned. After the point enabler has accomplished these two tasks, it can exit and free up memory. Thus for a PCMCIA modem, there is very little SW required. At this point you should be asking why the card can't have the SW in it. Well.... The problem is that PCMCIA cards are now used in powerbooks, Suns, etc... Which driver does one provide? All? Does any one firm understand all of these platforms? -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Aug 14 14:18:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.ED