From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 1 02:12:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA013930349; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 02:12:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05952; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 02:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 1 Dec 1997 02:07:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05741; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 02:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05728; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 02:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts00.loop.net (p09.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.24]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03183; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:06:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712010706.XAA03183@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "lmills@socket.net" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 97 23:57:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 video: horizontal lines Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 08:37:00 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi, >Sent this message last night, but I never got it myself, so I don't know >if it went thru. If you all are seeing it twice, I apologize. >Lewis >> >> Hi all, >> I may be making some progress with this 701C. After reseating the LCD >> ribbons, I now have a picture. However, it jumps around on the screen >> and has a dozen or so narrow horizontal lines running through it. >> Anybody have an opinion on whether this problem is likely to be a LCD >> cable, LCD screen, or board-level component problem? >> Thanks, >> Lewis > Okay, first I would suspect it might be a problem with the cable. If you don't mind doing so, try taking off the cover, reseating the cable, turn it on, see if it works, if not, try again, and don't reseal it until you've got it done. Then the next problem is that the LCD might be messed up. And last but not least, it could possibly be the board level components, although I highly doubt it. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 2 02:39:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276278341; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:39:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07182; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:33:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06952; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06939; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15582 invoked by uid 30256); 2 Dec 1997 07:33:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:33:22 +0100 (MET) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.math.ntnu.no To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Docking station and win95 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi I'm having problems setting up a doscking station and a Thinkpad 755CV for a friend of mine. If I'm not mistaken the dockingsattion is a Dock II. It has a CD player and a tokenring ISA adapter in it. My problem is that win 95 is not able to detect neither the CDrmo or the tokenring card. Win 95 also looses all it's configuration (the PCMCIA tokenring adapter, and the settings for the screen) when inserted into the dockingstation. These settings do not come back when the TP is removed from the docking station. My problem then is that I do not know what kind of cd player the dock came with (it's the standard black CD drvie from IBM that is made for the docking station) and how I get win 95 to recognise this drive and the tokenring adapter. Any help or hints are welcome. CU -- LArs Evensen, stud. techn. E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 2 03:11:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280350314; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:11:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08374; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:08:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08253; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mendelevium.chem.vu.nl (mendelevium.chem.vu.nl [130.37.144.88]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08240; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by mendelevium.chem.vu.nl (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14116; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:08:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:08:23 +0100 Message-Id: <9712020808.AA14116@mendelevium.chem.vu.nl> From: Evert Jan Meijer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: ejmeijer@chem.vu.nl Subject: [TP370] Bios upgrade without battery? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To introduce: I have a thinkpad 370C. It has a 10.4" TFT LCD, (4+16)MB RAM, and a 340MB HD. I run Linux, and there is a small portion of the HD for DOS. I'm in the process of upgrading the HD to a HITACHI DK225A-21 2.1GB, that I just got for HFL600,- (US$300). However, I got a problem installing the Hitachi HD. After switching on the notebook, the BIOS reported an error message related to the disk and the machine stopped booting. My first idea was to update the BIOS. I got the update (sytpw140) downloaded from the net. When I entered the BIOS installation menu I got the message that a charged battery pack is required, and the installation program stopped. Unfortunately my battery pack died, and I do not want to buy an new one (I just use my thinkpad as a moveable desktop). Does anyone know of a way to install a new BIOS without a charged battery? Thanks, evert jan --- Evert Jan Meijer Department of Physical and Theoretical Chemistry Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam De Boelelaan 1083, NL-1081 HV AMSTERDAM, The Netherlands Tel. +31-20-444.76.20/444.76.44 Fax. +31-20-444.76.43 e-mail ejmeijer@chem.vu.nl URL http://tc.chem.vu.nl/~ejmeijer/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 2 06:36:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA002352563; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:36:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21704; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:32:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21539; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-lax-3.pilot.net (mail-lax-3.pilot.net [205.139.40.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21526; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy.tcwgroup.com (unknown-23-155.pilot.net [204.48.23.155]) by mail-lax-3.pilot.net with ESMTP id DAA04998 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from tcwgroup.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proxy.tcwgroup.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA08559 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from TCWGroup-Message_Server by tcwgroup.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Dec 1997 03:32:12 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 03:31:29 -0800 From: Larry Larsen To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701c Owner's Manual and misc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello fellow TP Users: Please, can anyone out there: 1. Tell me where to get a 701c owner's manual on-line, by faxback or by mail? 2. Tell me how to resume after the 701c has gone into sleep mode? Is it Fn-F1? 3. Tell me how to delete Office 97 (preinstalled) if don't have the CD. I want to have Office 4.3 instead. By the way, FaxworksVoice, specially modified for the 701, is now at the IBM TP internet site. It is is the old 3.1 version but I believe it works with '95. I had been looking for this for a while. Thanks very much! I rarely need help from all of you out there and enjoy being part of the forum. Any replies will be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Larry Larsen ********************************************************************* This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone (+1-44171-495-0511). Please destroy and delete the message from your computer. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 2 10:14:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031465695; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:14:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00831; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:03:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00613; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00600; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from socket.net ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA05619; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:03:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <348424EE.6AEE55B4@socket.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 09:10:39 -0600 From: Lewis Mills X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larsen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701c Owner's Manual and misc References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Larry, I'm pretty sure the user's manual can be ordered from http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts. I don't have the part number for the manual here, but I would think they could find it for you. If not, email me and I'll look it up. One of the best things about ordering from IBM Direct is that shipping is fast and cheap. Lewis Larry Larsen wrote: > > Hello fellow TP Users: > > Please, can anyone out there: > > 1. Tell me where to get a 701c owner's manual on-line, by faxback or by > mail? > 2. Tell me how to resume after the 701c has gone into sleep mode? Is > it Fn-F1? > 3. Tell me how to delete Office 97 (preinstalled) if don't have the > CD. I want to have Office 4.3 instead. > > By the way, FaxworksVoice, specially modified for the 701, is now at the > IBM TP internet site. It is is the old 3.1 version but I believe it > works with '95. I had been looking for this for a while. > > Thanks very much! I rarely need help from all of you out there and > enjoy being part of the forum. Any replies will be greatly appreciated. > > Best regards, > Larry Larsen > > ********************************************************************* > This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is > addressed. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please > notify us immediately by telephone (+1-44171-495-0511). Please > destroy and delete the message from your computer. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 2 11:00:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042368428; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:00:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03217; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:45:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03046; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03000; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15730 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:22:55 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCFF0F.DD87AD20@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:48:46 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: Larry Larsen Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 701c Owner's Manual and misc Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:40:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 61 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** notes below Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse Co. *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >---------- >From: Lewis Mills[SMTP:lmills@socket.net] >Sent: 1997 December 02 - Tuesday 10:10 >To: Larry Larsen >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: 701c Owner's Manual and misc > >Hi Larry, >I'm pretty sure the user's manual can be ordered from >http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts. I don't have the part number >for the manual here, but I would think they could find it for you. If >not, email me and I'll look it up. One of the best things about >ordering from IBM Direct is that shipping is fast and cheap. >Lewis > >Larry Larsen wrote: >> >> Hello fellow TP Users: >> >> Please, can anyone out there: >> >> 1. Tell me where to get a 701c owner's manual on-line, by faxback or by >> mail? >> 2. Tell me how to resume after the 701c has gone into sleep mode? Is >> it Fn-F1? Just Fn should work >> 3. Tell me how to delete Office 97 (preinstalled) if don't have the >> CD. I want to have Office 4.3 instead. In Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove programs, Uninstall, there should be an entry for "Microsoft Office 97". >> >> By the way, FaxworksVoice, specially modified for the 701, is now at the >> IBM TP internet site. It is is the old 3.1 version but I believe it >> works with '95. I had been looking for this for a while. >> >> Thanks very much! I rarely need help from all of you out there and >> enjoy being part of the forum. Any replies will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Best regards, >> Larry Larsen >> >> ********************************************************************* >> This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is >> addressed. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please >> notify us immediately by telephone (+1-44171-495-0511). Please >> destroy and delete the message from your computer. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 2 23:34:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA209703661; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:34:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07344; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:31:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07099; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07079; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from p23.hwts00.loop.net (p23.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.38]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA05836; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:27:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712030427.UAA05836@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Lars Christian Evensen" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 21:21:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Docking station and win95 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:33:22 +0100 (MET), Lars Christian Evensen wrote: >Hi > >I'm having problems setting up a doscking station and a Thinkpad 755CV for >a friend of mine. If I'm not mistaken the dockingsattion is a Dock II. It >has a CD player and a tokenring ISA adapter in it. > >My problem is that win 95 is not able to detect neither the CDrmo or the >tokenring card. Win 95 also looses all it's configuration (the PCMCIA >tokenring adapter, and the settings for the screen) when inserted into the >dockingstation. These settings do not come back when the TP is removed >from the docking station. > Wait, did you say that there are both a PCMCIA Token Ring and ISA Token Ring Adapter in the machine/Dock II simultaniosly? Also, wouldn't the IBM CD-ROM be SCSI, since it comes with a trantor SCSI interface? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 02:41:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234934914; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:41:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12241; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:39:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12090; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.club-internet.fr (root@mail.club-internet.fr [194.158.96.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12078; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp-101-71.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.101.71]) by mail.club-internet.fr (Grolier/MGC-970630-No_Relay) with ESMTP id IAA12922 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:38:47 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712030738.IAA12922@mail.club-internet.fr> From: "SANTACRUZ" To: Subject: thinkpad 701CS.Built in micro Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:05:02 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have just bought a second hand thinkpad 701 CS (2630 SU) and cannot record anything with the built in micro.With external micro works fine.Is there a particular way to enable the built in micro? thanks manuel VILLARET From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 07:03:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259700590; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:03:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01056; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:01:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00881; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00869; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from server.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [199.125.92.85]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id HAA05101 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.50] by server.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id va001633 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:39:54 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971203003906.01ed0330@server.msc.com> X-Sender: steve@server.msc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:39:06 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Meisner Subject: TP760 options Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have the car lighter adapter from IBM for the 760? I was thinking about picking it up, but was concerned what I might receive. If it's as bulky as one of those generic DC to AC adapters, than what's the point. If not, did you think it was worth it? BTW, what did you pay for it? Also, does anyone know if the P133 TP760ED can have it's CPU upgraded? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________________________________ Steve Meisner Meisner Software Consulting Office: 603-881-5316 Fax: 603-889-7921 Pager: 617-362-1184 (MA) 603-596-2344 (NH) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 10:31:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA290143093; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:31:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08445; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:25:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08225; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08192; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA48466 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:02:55 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCFFD6.4260B6D0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:28:56 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Steve Meisner Subject: RE: TP760 options Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:22:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 37 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Frankly, I'd suggest one of the inverters to convert from 12v dc to 110v ac. You can use it for a variety of purposes & they cost $40-80 for up to 100 watts. Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse Co. *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >---------- >From: Steve Meisner[SMTP:steve@meisner.mv.com] >Sent: 1997 December 03 - Wednesday 00:39 >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: TP760 options > >Does anyone have the car lighter adapter from IBM for the 760? I was >thinking about picking it up, but was concerned what I might receive. If >it's as bulky as one of those generic DC to AC adapters, than what's the >point. If not, did you think it was worth it? BTW, what did you pay for it? > >Also, does anyone know if the P133 TP760ED can have it's CPU upgraded? > >Thanks, >Steve > >_______________________________________________________________________ >Steve Meisner >Meisner Software Consulting > >Office: 603-881-5316 >Fax: 603-889-7921 >Pager: 617-362-1184 (MA) > 603-596-2344 (NH) > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 10:56:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294564610; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:56:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10071; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:55:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09905; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from wardr.cm.neosoft.com (wardr.cm.neosoft.com [206.109.172.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09879; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ward@localhost) by wardr.cm.neosoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21870 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:52:11 -0600 From: Reagen Ward Message-Id: <199712031552.JAA21870@wardr.cm.neosoft.com> Subject: 750C disassembly To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:52:10 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: ward@localbar.com Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have 2 750C thinkpads, one with a broken keyboard (coffee damage), one with a broken display (foot damage). Is it easier to switch keyboards or displays, and does anyone have any idea how I would go about stripping this box down to do it? Thanks! Reagen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 13:28:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA022873719; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:28:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18551; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:25:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18247; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18211; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11508 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:02:49 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCFFEF.60E63EE0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:28:44 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Robert_Huber@watsonwyatt.com" Subject: Car inverters - was RE: Re[2]: TP760 options Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:24:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 24 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I know that it amused my kids playing doom on my 701 for 1500 km last summer. Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse Co. *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >---------- >From: Robert_Huber@watsonwyatt.com[SMTP:Robert_Huber@watsonwyatt.com] >Sent: 1997 December 03 - Wednesday 14:54 >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; TROTTIER; Tom >Subject: Re[2]: TP760 options > > I've heard that one needs to be careful when using a car as the power > source. Apparently the electricity generated by the car is rather > "dirty" and if the converter is not capable of cleaning up the power > the laptop can be damaged. Can anyone comment on the merits of this > statement? > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 14:09:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030886141; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:09:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20973; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:07:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20849; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20837; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx33-10.teleport.com (ip-pdx33-10.teleport.com [206.163.127.12]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28356 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:07:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:07:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712031907.LAA28356@smtp3.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: IR Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there anyone who has tried cloning a TP via the IR port? Lacking that is there anyone who regularly uses the IR port that could lead me through the process? Thanks, Bryan 701C From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 15:15:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA046090114; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:15:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24650; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:11:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24390; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24312; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Dec 1997 12:10:05 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCFFE5.B5A1BA40@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:19:31 -0800 Message-Id: <01BCFFE5.B5A1BA40@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'ward@localbar.com'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: 750C disassembly Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:19:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Do the keyboard, it's easier ;-} Keyboard can be cleaned in an ultrasound tank or it could be the = infamouse ribbon problem. To replace a keyboard: The following was a description of how to check the keyboards cableing , = but it also explains how to exchange one. 1. Get at the 3 little cables:=20 Remove the 2 screws beside the hinges of the keyboard. They are under = little plastic caps=20 that have to be pried off with a tinny -small screwdriver. Flip the screen back all the way. Remove the floppy drive and top PCMCIA card. You are going to remove the plastic bezel between the keyboard and the = back of the computer. Removing the 2 screws was the first part. It is still held by 2 hooks = that are on the other side of the keyboard hinge. ie: hook..hinge = ..screw.................................................................= ...........screw..hinge..hook [metal clip] There is also a metal clip ~ 90mm from the left side that holds the = plastic bezel to the metal RF shield. It clips off easily . Flip open keyboard . Find clip ...black in color ...it's just above the = back right edge of the floppy. Pull on the=20 vertical part with your fingernail .=20 The right hook is very easy to get to . Flip keyboard open take a small screwdriver through the hole for the = PCMCIA cards and push back this small plastic "L " shaped hook . You are pushing it to the front = of the computer and only about=20 1 mm. It should unhook.=20 Now that you know what it looks like, do the same to the other side . = (grin) The other side (left) is almost invisible ...have lots of light .. = since there is no PCMCIA hole, your hand and screwdriver will block your view at first . Once it unhooks the whole bezel flips back and pulls out. Put the keyboard back and Latch it ! Those 3 very flat "ribbon type " cables coming from the keyboard are a = comon problem. The smallest one is for the trackpoint.=20 With all 3 cables pull back the FRONT part of the connector . It only comes out ~1mm ...use a fingernail(s) and pry back both sides = at once . Once they are loose,..so is the "ribbon cable", so pull it out. Check for any dirt etc....gently clean them..and put them back in. Reseat the connector . Boot the TP and try out the keyboard.=20 You can use the "EASY SETUP" to test the keyboard. Hold down the F1 key while turning on the power. Go to the "test" icon ..enter it. Do a CTRL A for advanced diags. Do a CTRL K for the Keyboard test. To put it all back together just work backwards ;-} It's easier to hold the keyboard and the bezel together a little above = the pivot point for the keyboard. Push the back of the bezel in while still holding the = keyboard a=20 little higher and then seat the "closer to you " side of the bezel.=20 Carefull!! don't pull on the keyboard cables. Sigh...Usually it's a no brainer. If this doesn't work "TRENKDOG3" in the laptop news group has = keyboards for $50. trenkdog3@aol.com Another option is the card that takes the signals from the keyboard to = the Motherboard is=20 bad or semi-seated ...(it is NOT a good design.) ..peter.. ---------- From: Reagen Ward[SMTP:ward@wardr.cm.neosoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 1:52 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750C disassembly I have 2 750C thinkpads, one with a broken keyboard (coffee damage), one = with a broken display (foot damage). Is it easier to switch keyboards = or displays, and does anyone have any idea how I would go about = stripping this box down to do it? Thanks! Reagen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 22:23:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125955831; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:23:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12771; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:21:48 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12610; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id WAA17562; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09132; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:32:25 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xdQ9P-0001bQC; Wed, 3 Dec 97 17:32 PST Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0xdQ9F-0000VHC; Wed, 3 Dec 97 17:32 PST Received: from temp01os by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25073; Wed, 3 Dec 97 17:32:19 PST Message-Id: <9712040132.AA25073@cliffy.eng.amdahl.com> Reply-To: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com Date: Wed, 03 Dec 97 17:20:18 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 560 questions X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.14 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am thinking of buying the ThinkPad 560. I have a few questions about this machine: 1. Is the display color? (I am assuming it is; want to make sure tho') 2. I know it does not have a built in CD-Rom. But, I can hook up an external CD-Rom to the parallel port. Any problems with this set up? Or is there a better alternative? 3. This does not have a built in modem, but, If I buy a PCMCIA modem card, I should be able to dial anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong. 3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to the serial port? Any problems with this setup? 4. This comes with only 8 MB of RAM. Can I add another 16MB, bringing the total up to 24MB? Any problems with that? 5. How about connecting external speakers? I have never owned a laptop, and my ignorance may be showing here. Basically, I would like to use it - while travelling - for everything, I normally use my desktop for - word processing, presentations, lite programming. Occasionally use the modem to get e-mail, web etc..., and sometimes use it for multimedia presentations. The usage is light. So, I don't need a bleeding edge laptop. I just need an adequate system. Will this do? All your comments are welcome. TIA Hemanth From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 22:43:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128667019; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:43:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13592; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:42:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13462; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13442; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11109; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:49:14 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:49:13 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions In-Reply-To: <9712040132.AA25073@cliffy.eng.amdahl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com wrote: > 1. Is the display color? (I am assuming it is; want to make sure tho') Definitely. The TFT display is very nice and sharp. > 2. I know it does not have a built in CD-Rom. But, I can hook up an > external CD-Rom to the parallel port. Any problems with this set up? > Or is there a better alternative? Parallel interface CD's are slower and consume more CPU time, but work fine. A PCMCIA SCSI is IDE interface drive is much better. > 3. This does not have a built in modem, but, If I buy a PCMCIA > modem card, I should be able to dial anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong. You are correct. I have used two different modem/ethernet combo cards in my TP560-120 w/12.1" active matrix display. Both worked fine. > 3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to the > serial port? Any problems with this setup? No problem. I ran one of my USR Courier v.Everythings that way for a month at home until I stuck a faster PC card mdem/network card combo in it. I was moving and had already moved my "big" systems. I kept one of my "fast" modems and used the notebook until I was done moving. 14.4Kbps internet is too darn slow. =) > 4. This comes with only 8 MB of RAM. Can I add another 16MB, bringing > the total up to 24MB? Any problems with that? Yes. No problem. Mine had 8+16 [24MB originally] and thne I upgraded it to 8+32 [40MB] a few months later. > 5. How about connecting external speakers? Plug them into the jack on the right side next to the volume control. > I have never owned a laptop, and my ignorance may be showing here. No problem. We all start somewhere. =) > Basically, I would like to use it - while travelling - for everything, I normally > use my desktop for - word processing, presentations, lite programming. > Occasionally use the modem to get e-mail, web etc..., and sometimes use > it for multimedia presentations. > > The usage is light.. So, I don't need a bleeding edge laptop. I just need an > adequate system. Will this do? I believe so. I've owned my TP560 since February and am very happy with it. I could try chasing after faster CPU's and such and spend lots of monet, but I am happy with this machine. In a year or so I'll probably stick a bigger hard drive in it, but the 800MB drive is fine for now. > All your comments are welcome. Will those do? =) ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 22:44:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128777063; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:44:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13696; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:43:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13550; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13506; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts00.loop.net (p12.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.27]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA06599; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:41:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712040341.TAA06599@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 97 20:32:56 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 03 Dec 97 17:20:18 -0700, hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com wrote: >Hello, > >I am thinking of buying the ThinkPad 560. I have a few questions >about this machine: > >1. Is the display color? (I am assuming it is; want to make sure tho') As far as I know, it comes in 11.3" dual scan, 12.1" active matrix TFT, and I can't remember if the displays come any larger than that. >2. I know it does not have a built in CD-Rom. But, I can hook up an > external CD-Rom to the parallel port. Any problems with this set up? > Or is there a better alternative? You should be able to. Assuming that you will be using OS/2 (from your X-Mailer line), be sure to look for one that supports OS/2. Personally, I'd rather choose SCSI, as it has a better throughput and doesn't over tax the system as much. That's what I use on my server. >3. This does not have a built in modem, but, If I buy a PCMCIA > modem card, I should be able to dial anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong. That would be correct. >3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to the > serial port? Any problems with this setup? Personally, I like this better, because you can use it with multiple computers. Although it is another thing to carry, the status LEDs are very important to me, and are sometimes worth it. >4. This comes with only 8 MB of RAM. Can I add another 16MB, bringing > the total up to 24MB? Any problems with that? Nope. I think it goes to 40MB on some models, and 80MB on others. Anyone on the list should correct me if I'm wrong. >5. How about connecting external speakers? No problem with that, either. Same way as with a desktop. > >I have never owned a laptop, and my ignorance may be showing here. > >Basically, I would like to use it - while travelling - for everything, I normally >use my desktop for - word processing, presentations, lite programming. >Occasionally use the modem to get e-mail, web etc..., and sometimes use >it for multimedia presentations. > >The usage is light. So, I don't need a bleeding edge laptop. I just need an >adequate system. Will this do? > I think it's good. Although my 701 is somewhat slow, it is a good machine. The 560 should serve you well for your purposes. >All your comments are welcome. No problerm. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 3 23:39:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA137430388; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:39:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15773; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:37:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15607; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15584; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p122.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.162]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25721 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:33:39 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <348631DF.C5D9A00C@socket.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 22:30:23 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701C project computer X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <9712040132.AA25073@cliffy.eng.amdahl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Just a quick note of thanks to all of you who helped me repair the 701C I bought with a cracked LCD. I got a new LCD cable from IBM today, took the darn thing apart again, put in the cable and a nice clear picture popped up! Since the 701 came with no HDD (and so no IBM 701-specific software), I'm sure I'll be asking you all for set up advice soon. Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 00:59:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA150205189; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:59:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18497; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:58:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18373; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18349; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28742; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02727; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:57:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: ward@localbar.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750C disassembly In-Reply-To: <199712031552.JAA21870@wardr.cm.neosoft.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Reagen, Head to the IBM tech manuals webserver pages http://www.pc.ibm.com:80/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/tpvol12/5.10.1 The page is a diagram of the TP360 (what I have) but you can follow the links back up the chain then down to your machine. On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Reagen Ward wrote: > I have 2 750C thinkpads, one with a broken keyboard (coffee damage), one with a broken display (foot damage). Is it easier to switch keyboards or displays, and does anyone have any idea how I would go about stripping this box down to do it? > > > Thanks! > Reagen > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 01:53:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA163098436; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:53:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20048; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:53:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19962; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (pacs04.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19950; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-242.r12.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IQRBWJHLUA900HKC@InfoAve.Net> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:52:21 EST Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 01:42:30 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: 750c and IBM Home & Away PCMCIA Modem/network card To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <348650D6.40FD@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I just got a PCMCIA card but I can't get Win95 to recognize it. When installing a modem the wizard says to install the card and nothing else happens and I can't go any further. Am I missing the drivers? if so where can I get them. (The IBM site doesn't have them, that I can find) The 32 bit drivers for the slot are installed and win95 "sees" the slot and that someting there but I can't get the modem to work... Thanks for any response. Linn Skipper askipper@ftc-i.net P.S. anyone what the procedure is to intall extra memory chips?? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 02:06:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA166699183; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:06:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20605; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:04:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20519; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20506; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from p28.hwts08.loop.net (p28.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.43]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA29976; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:01:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712040701.XAA29976@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Linn Skipper" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 97 23:52:25 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 750c and IBM Home & Away PCMCIA Modem/network card Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 04 Dec 1997 01:42:30 -0500, Linn Skipper wrote: >Hello, > > I just got a PCMCIA card but I can't get Win95 to recognize it. When >installing a modem the wizard says to install the card and nothing else >happens and I can't go any further. Am I missing the drivers? if so >where can I get them. (The IBM site doesn't have them, that I can find) >The 32 bit drivers for the slot are installed and win95 "sees" the slot >and that someting there but I can't get the modem to work... > I don't remember the file exactly, or exactly where to get it, but it installs something into the modem's EEPROM, and is something for Windows' Plug 'N play, since the card was originally meant for DOS/Win 3.1x and OS/2. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 04:02:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA181366177; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:02:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25845; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 03:58:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25512; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 03:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25500; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 03:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA11293; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:56:53 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA15461; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:59:55 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712040859.WAA15461@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TP560] Re: ThinkPad 560 questions To: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com Date: Wed, 3 Dec 97 22:59:54 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9712040132.AA25073@cliffy.eng.amdahl.com>; from "hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com" at Dec 3, 97 5:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > 2. I know it does not have a built in CD-Rom. But, I can hook up an > external CD-Rom to the parallel port. Any problems with this set up? > Or is there a better alternative? PCMCIA CDROMS are usually (not always!) faster, but less flexible (in that you can't also use it on your desktop machine). Incidentally, I just spend several days trying to get one drive (from CMS Enhancements) working on my 560; finally gave up, sent it back, and now have a genuine IBM drive (installed instantly, runs great, looks very cool). Moral: not all drives work with all machines (though PP drives should have fewer problems). If you only want the CDROM for software installation, and have access to another PC which *does* have a CD, then you can install over a cable and avoid the extra cost. > 3. This does not have a built in modem, but, If I buy a PCMCIA > modem card, I should be able to dial anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong. If by 'anywhere' you include more than one continent, it helps to have an "international" or "global" modem (which will recognize foreign dial tones, busy signals, rings, etc) - not essential, but very nice IMHO (my IBM "International" pcmcia modem works a treat in England, much more convenient than the motorola I tried the previous trip). - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 04:13:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183696791; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:13:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26676; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:12:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26582; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26568; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA11394; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:10:27 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA15508; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:13:29 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712040913.XAA15508@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 750c and IBM Home & Away PCMCIA Modem/network card To: askipper@FTC-I.NET (Linn Skipper) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 97 23:13:29 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Linn Skipper" at Dec 4, 97 1:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > happens and I can't go any further. Am I missing the drivers? if so > where can I get them. (The IBM site doesn't have them, that I can find) Keep looking, they're there somewhere. I've seen 'em. Problem is that IBM now has some kind of wierd nomadic web site setup, rendering it increasingly difficult to find stuff there. There are also two different search engines, the main one that never finds the thing you're looking for, and the useful one that you only stumble across if your computer is hit by a power surge while loading a web page from one of IBM's marginal divisions. Actually, if you call Easy Serve one of the first things the voicemail gives you is an option to learn where H&A adaptor information is available online. Makes you think that they get more calls about this than almost anything else! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 07:03:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202826980; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:03:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06796; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:00:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06668; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06655; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from server.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [199.125.92.85]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id HAA20335 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.50] by server.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id ba001639 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:41:05 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971204004005.01ea0560@server.msc.com> X-Sender: steve@server.msc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 00:40:05 -0500 To: "TROTTIER, Tom" From: Steve Meisner Subject: RE: TP760 options Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I wanted something a little more compact instead of the DC-AC adapter, the thinkpad power adapter, and the notebook itself. If I could go straight from the cigarette lighter to the thinkpad it would be more convenient, as well as easier to carry around. I already have the DC to AC converter. Steve At 10:22 AM 12/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >Frankly, I'd suggest one of the inverters to convert from 12v dc to 110v >ac. You can use it for a variety of purposes & they cost $40-80 for up >to 100 watts. >Ciao, Tom >_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect > (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 > :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com >Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse Co. >*50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada > > >>---------- >>From: Steve Meisner[SMTP:steve@meisner.mv.com] >>Sent: 1997 December 03 - Wednesday 00:39 >>To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >>Subject: TP760 options >> >>Does anyone have the car lighter adapter from IBM for the 760? I was >>thinking about picking it up, but was concerned what I might receive. If >>it's as bulky as one of those generic DC to AC adapters, than what's the >>point. If not, did you think it was worth it? BTW, what did you pay for it? >> >>Also, does anyone know if the P133 TP760ED can have it's CPU upgraded? >> >>Thanks, >>Steve >> >>_______________________________________________________________________ >>Steve Meisner >>Meisner Software Consulting >> >>Office: 603-881-5316 >>Fax: 603-889-7921 >>Pager: 617-362-1184 (MA) >> 603-596-2344 (NH) >> > > _______________________________________________________________________ Steve Meisner Meisner Software Consulting Office: 603-881-5316 Fax: 603-889-7921 Pager: 617-362-1184 (MA) 603-596-2344 (NH) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 08:08:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA209900926; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:08:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08774; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:07:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08644; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.texas.net (smtpuser@mail1.texas.net [207.207.0.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08632; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ACS.texas.net (tcnet01-44.sat.texas.net [209.99.49.44]) by mail1.texas.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA07006; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:06:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Kutchins" To: "David Ross" , Cc: Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:06:47 -0600 Message-Id: <01bd00b5$7a1ddd20$2c3163d1@ACS.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've tried both the pp CD and the PCMCIA. Each has plusses and minuses neither of which should be a dealbreaker. On my first 560, I bought a parallel port machine with a printer pass-through port. The only downside was that I like to use an Iomega tape backup which also needs the parallel port. They don't work well together. The workaround is to manually change connections because they don't like AB switches either. On my new machine, I bought a PCMCIA CD. Its only negative, thus far, is that my PCMCIA modem is an Xjack. When the CD is connected threre's not enough room for the XJACK modem to be connected. Easy solution is to unplug one or the other. As above, minor problems in the overall picture, and if your modem isn't XJACK, there is no problem (at least with that issue). Mike K. -----Original Message----- From: David Ross To: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, December 04, 1997 3:02 AM Subject: [TP560] Re: ThinkPad 560 questions >> 2. I know it does not have a built in CD-Rom. But, I can hook up an >> external CD-Rom to the parallel port. Any problems with this set up? >> Or is there a better alternative? > >PCMCIA CDROMS are usually (not always!) faster, but less flexible (in >that you can't also use it on your desktop machine). Incidentally, I >just spend several days trying to get one drive (from CMS Enhancements) >working on my 560; finally gave up, sent it back, and now have a genuine >IBM drive (installed instantly, runs great, looks very cool). Moral: >not all drives work with all machines (though PP drives should have fewer >problems). > >If you only want the CDROM for software installation, and have access to >another PC which *does* have a CD, then you can install over a cable and >avoid the extra cost. > >> 3. This does not have a built in modem, but, If I buy a PCMCIA >> modem card, I should be able to dial anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong. > >If by 'anywhere' you include more than one continent, it helps to have >an "international" or "global" modem (which will recognize foreign >dial tones, busy signals, rings, etc) - not essential, but very nice >IMHO (my IBM "International" pcmcia modem works a treat in England, >much more convenient than the motorola I tried the previous trip). > >- David R. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 09:46:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222336789; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:46:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13280; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:44:33 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13087; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id JAA21953; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20925; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-32.usc.edu [128.125.224.104]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id XAA12104; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:11:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971203231107.00c03380@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 23:13:27 -0800 To: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:20 PM 12/3/97 -0700, hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com wrote: >I am thinking of buying the ThinkPad 560. I have a few questions >about this machine: > >1. Is the display color? (I am assuming it is; want to make sure tho') Yes. Your choice of dual-scan or active TFT. >2. I know it does not have a built in CD-Rom. But, I can hook up an > external CD-Rom to the parallel port. Any problems with this set up? > Or is there a better alternative? I've done both through the parallel and via a PCMCIA SCSI card (Adaptec). Prefer SCSI for speed, but parallel works fine and is about as fast what with my meager 4x CD drives. >3. This does not have a built in modem, but, If I buy a PCMCIA > modem card, I should be able to dial anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong. Most people with laptops run PCMCIA modems anyway. Individual features depend on the particular PC card modem you buy. >3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to the > serial port? Any problems with this setup? Haven't done it, but the serial port supports 14550-type buffer chip, so I don't foresee any problem in doing so. >4. This comes with only 8 MB of RAM. Can I add another 16MB, bringing > the total up to 24MB? Any problems with that? Works fine. I later sold off my 16 MB module and upgraded to a 32 MB module for a total of 40 MB. >5. How about connecting external speakers? Works fine, if you want it. I don't particularly care for noises anyway, so I don't bother. The built-in speaker is adequate, though it sounds like a tin can. >I have never owned a laptop, and my ignorance may be showing here. > >Basically, I would like to use it - while travelling - for everything, I normally >use my desktop for - word processing, presentations, lite programming. >Occasionally use the modem to get e-mail, web etc..., and sometimes use >it for multimedia presentations. > >The usage is light. So, I don't need a bleeding edge laptop. I just need an >adequate system. Will this do? I'm quite happy with mine, but I use both a laptop and a desktop, so when I feel like I need more horsepower for a particular task, I go to my desktop. Do keep in mind that laptops are inherently slower than the same-MHz desktop--i.e., a 560 running at 133 MHz is *not* going to be as fast as virtually any desktop running at 133 MHz. Just part of the tradeoff you make for the benefit of portability. Personally, I think the 560 is a great choice for people who want a quality, light, reasonably "fast" but not bleeding-edge fast laptop at what I consider to be a good price point. Sure you can by cheaper, but I think its worth it to have the major brands as laptops go--Toshiba, IBM, etc. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 10:03:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224907785; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:03:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14282; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:01:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14080; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14049; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts3p30.port.net (usrts3p30.port.net [207.237.106.30]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10903; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:00:41 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Randal Whittle Cc: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 10:00:44 -0500 Message-Id: <34b3c447.232769850@mail.interport.net> References: <3.0.32.19971203231107.00c03380@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971203231107.00c03380@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 03 Dec 1997 23:13:27 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >desktop. Do keep in mind that laptops are inherently slower than the >same-MHz desktop--i.e., a 560 running at 133 MHz is *not* going to be as >fast as virtually any desktop running at 133 MHz. Just part of the >tradeoff you make for the benefit of portability. I think that the 560/133 is slower than a 133 desktop because the 560 does not have an L2 cache. Reviews of the latest 560 - the 233 mhz 560x - indicate that it is as fast as a 233 mhz desktop. For example: "The latest notebook PCs powered by 233MHz Tillamook Pentium chips perform on a par with 233MHz Pentium-based desktop PCs but, for what they cost, a company could buy a Pentium II desktop system and have money left over." http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/reviews/1201/01note.html The article has a favorable review of the 560x. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 10:42:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231320153; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:42:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16329; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:41:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16221; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16205; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02562; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:39:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:39:44 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: David Ross Cc: Linn Skipper , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750c and IBM Home & Away PCMCIA Modem/network card In-Reply-To: <199712040913.XAA15508@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, David Ross wrote: > Keep looking, they're there somewhere. I've seen 'em. Problem is that > IBM now has some kind of wierd nomadic web site setup, rendering it > increasingly difficult to find stuff there. If anyone emails me asking for them I'll send you the HAWIN95 package. I sold my Home & Away card a few months ago, but kept the flash updater. It is about 230K. I flashed two H&A cards with it, and thought I might get another some day so I kept it. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 11:00:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234201242; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:00:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17824; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:59:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17672; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from maildeliver0.tiac.net (maildeliver0.tiac.net [199.0.65.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17656; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8) with SMTP id KAA11756 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD00A1.C621F210@ntmail.tiac.net>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:45:45 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" , "'hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com'" Subject: RE: ThinkPad 560 questions Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:45:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >---------- >>From: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com[SMTP:hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com] > >I am thinking of buying the ThinkPad 560. I have a few questions >about this machine: > >1. Is the display color? (I am assuming it is; want to make sure tho') Yes. Two types of color displays. DSTN is cheaper, has a narrow viewing angle so spies seated near you on the aircraft have a tougher time reading the screen. TFT is more expensive, better video quality, and a wider viewing angle. I had a NCR with a TFT and now have a TP365ED with DSTN. It seems later DSTN displays are good and I am happy with the DSTN display. My advice is to compare the two types and see which one is better for you. >2. I know it does not have a built in CD-Rom. But, I can hook up an > external CD-Rom to the parallel port. Any problems with this set up? > Or is there a better alternative? The TP365ED has a cd-rom built-in and the floppy external. I find this handy because one of the uses is to use a CD based map program for navigation. In my old setup I used a NEC portable CDROM with a separate Adaptec Slim Scsi card. I did this because I also use a zip drive and a Exabyte 8200 8mm tape drive for backup. I still use the zip drive and tape on my new machine. All my active computers have SCSI cards. I prefer Adaptec mainly because of the OS support, they have a web site, and they seem to work. >3. This does not have a built in modem, but, If I buy a PCMCIA > modem card, I should be able to dial anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong. No problem. What I did was to buy a modem with a dongle instead of XJack so I can have both the scsi and modem cards in the slots. >3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to the > serial port? Any problems with this setup? No problem. Another piece of equipment to carry but I have seen some small travel modems. I usually buy external modems so I can use them with any of my computers. The PCMCIA one is a exception although it is also usable on WinCE machines as well. >4. This comes with only 8 MB of RAM. Can I add another 16MB, bringing > the total up to 24MB? Any problems with that? I would recommend this as Win95 does not do good with 8 MB. Put in as much memory as you can. I also tend to lean toward going with a slightly slower cpu speed if it means you can buy more memory. >5. How about connecting external speakers? No problem. > >I have never owned a laptop, and my ignorance may be showing here. > >Basically, I would like to use it - while travelling - for everything, I >normally >use my desktop for - word processing, presentations, lite programming. >Occasionally use the modem to get e-mail, web etc..., and sometimes use >it for multimedia presentations. > >The usage is light. So, I don't need a bleeding edge laptop. I just need an >adequate system. Will this do? > I do word processing, light programming, internet stuff. I am surprised at how good my 365ED does when you max it out with 24 mb of ram. I also replaced the hard disk with a 1 gigabyte one. It is a 586 processor equal to about a P75 but I am amazed that it can do VoxChat (voice irc) program. So I would suggest you look at something like the 365XD as well. This has a better processor than the 365ED and it has the CD built-in. > >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 11:53:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA243554380; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:53:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20748; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:51:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20617; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20597; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sp.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (actually cetus.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE) by mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE with SMTP (IC-PP); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:50:42 +0100 Received: from virgo.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE by sp.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (SMI-8.6/ZRZ-Sol-2.5) id RAA26209; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:50:41 +0100 Received: by virgo.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20204; Thu, 4 Dec 97 17:50:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:50:37 +0100 (MET) From: Stefan Hendrata X-Sender: henddjee@virgo.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP560] Problem with DSTN display. Please respond! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello TP560-Owners! I'm also an owner of a Thinkpad 560 (P100, DSTN) for about a month now. But since some days ago there's something with the display disturbing me: At the boundaries of the screen there is a grey-pink line. It's like a recatangular frame surrounding the screen. This frame doesn't belong to the contents of the screen and its width is about 1-2 mm. When I have a black background (e.g. DOS-Shell) this is quite annoying because these lines are shining lighter than the background. Can anybody owning a TP560 tell me whether (s)he has this effect, too? Thank you in advance! +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | _, | E-Mail: henddjee@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de | | (_ |_| | Fax: +49-30-84709131 | | ,_)tefan | |endrata | pgp-key: send e-mail with subject 'send pgp key' | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 13:16:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257989386; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:16:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24984; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:13:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24830; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24804; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03112; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:11:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:11:09 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Stefan Hendrata Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Problem with DSTN display. Please respond! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Stefan Hendrata wrote: > Can anybody owning a TP560 tell me whether (s)he has this effect, too? I do not see anything at all like this on my TP560-120 with 12.1" active matrix display. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 13:35:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261410516; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:35:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26058; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:34:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25901; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25873; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03233; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:32:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Linn Skipper Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750c and IBM Home & Away PCMCIA Modem/network card In-Reply-To: <348650D6.40FD@ftc-i.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Linn Skipper wrote: > Am I missing the drivers? if so > where can I get them. (The IBM site doesn't have them, that I can find) > The 32 bit drivers for the slot are installed and win95 "sees" the slot > and that someting there but I can't get the modem to work... I just dug through the IBM sites and did get fairly close to where the HAWIN95.EXE package was. After a little digging I found it. The official IBM URL for the package is.. ftp://ftp.networking.ibm.com/pub/products/lanprods/ethernet/hawin95.exe The other H&A driver disks and such are at about 3/4 of the way down the page at.. http://www.networking.ibm.com/nes/nesether.htm I also already send Linn what I had a few minutes ago. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 13:35:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261470518; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:35:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26047; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:33:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25862; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25841; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-32.usc.edu [128.125.222.104]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA05291 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:33:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971204103458.00fed3c4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 10:35:04 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: 560 Battery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone had a 560 battery--or any other lithium-ion batter--just suddenly go completely dead on them? I have 2 batteries for my TP 560 and generally I just swap between them every now and again. Unless I'm going on a trip where I want both batteries, I pretty much just leave one of them on the shelf, with the occasional swap just to keep both of them exercised. Is it possible to leave one on the shelf for too long? I think its been perhaps as long as a couple of months since I last swapped batteries around and now that I put my #2 battery back in, the system just plain *won't* charge it. Its not as though the battery won't "hold" a charge, its that it *never* GETS charged to begin with. System still works fine with my #1 battery. Now I've had batteries slowly die from constant cycling (the 750 series was guilty of this), but I haven't had a battery outright die just from sitting there for so short a time. It worked fine when I last used it! Help? Advice? Similar experiences? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 19:35:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA034272117; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:35:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12013; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:31:40 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11801; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id TAA24269; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09484; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA21478 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:12:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from sjx-ca65-54.ix.netcom.com(206.217.121.118) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021439; Thu Dec 4 17:12:42 1997 Message-Id: <34873974.72EA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:15:00 -0800 From: Kenneth Rosenblatt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: ThinkPad 560 questions--PCMCIA CD-ROM drive References: <199712040859.WAA15461@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David Ross replied to a query as follows: > > > 2. I know it does not have a built in CD-Rom. But, I can hook up an > > external CD-Rom to the parallel port. Any problems with this set up? > > Or is there a better alternative? > > PCMCIA CDROMS are usually (not always!) faster, but less flexible (in > that you can't also use it on your desktop machine). Incidentally, I > just spend several days trying to get one drive (from CMS Enhancements) > working on my 560; finally gave up, sent it back, and now have a genuine > IBM drive (installed instantly, runs great, looks very cool). Moral: > not all drives work with all machines (though PP drives should have fewer > problems). [SNIP]. I am very happy with my Panasonic Portable PCMCIA 4x drive, but read the documentation carefully!! It turns out that the drive will not work if you put the PCMCIA card in the top slot instead of the bottom. In fact, it crashes the system. Don't ask me why, but the warning in Panasonic's documentation is specific to the IBM 560 and I found out the hard way (of course I didn't read the manual, and ended up at Panasonic's tech support line). BTW, does anyone know *why* it won't work? Kenneth Rosenblatt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 21:41:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA055209689; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:41:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16401; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:39:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16258; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.istar.ca (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16244; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts79-09.tor.istar.ca (hugh) [204.191.146.104] by mail.istar.ca with smtp (Exim 1.750 #3) id 0xdngO-0007Sd-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:40:01 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971205023726.01b641d8@inforamp.net> X-Sender: valliant@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:37:26 -0500 To: Kenneth Rosenblatt , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Hugh Valliant Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: ThinkPad 560 questions--PCMCIA CD-ROM drive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu FWIW I've experienced the same thing with network cards on a 760E and a 770. Works completely in 1 slot and partially in the other... One of those things that make you go mmmmmmmm.... Hugh >[SNIP]. > > >I am very happy with my Panasonic Portable PCMCIA 4x drive, but read the >documentation carefully!! It turns out that the drive will not work if >you put the PCMCIA card in the top slot instead of the bottom. In fact, >it crashes the system. Don't ask me why, but the warning in Panasonic's >documentation is specific to the IBM 560 and I found out the hard way >(of course I didn't read the manual, and ended up at Panasonic's tech >support line). BTW, does anyone know *why* it won't work? > > >Kenneth Rosenblatt > > > > \|/ (o o) ---------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------- MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Helping you access and travel the Information Highway Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 E-mail valliant@micomtech.com http://www.mi-comtech.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 4 22:06:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058421199; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:06:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17613; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:05:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17510; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17497; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04481; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:01:45 GMT From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199712050301.DAA04481@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: [TP] PCMCIA cards working in only one slot To: valliant@micomtech.com (Hugh Valliant) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:01:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: krosen@ix.netcom.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971205023726.01b641d8@inforamp.net> from "Hugh Valliant" at Dec 4, 97 09:37:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >I am very happy with my Panasonic Portable PCMCIA 4x drive, but read the > >documentation carefully!! It turns out that the drive will not work if > >you put the PCMCIA card in the top slot instead of the bottom. > > [ ... ] > I've experienced the same thing with network cards on a 760E and a 770. > Works completely in 1 slot and partially in the other... > > One of those things that make you go mmmmmmmm.... Indeed. I had the same trouble with an Adaptec 1460A (OEM version shipped with the Sony 4X CD Discman) and a 760C. At the time, I attributed it to a connector clearance problem -- the external dongle fit slightly better with the card in the lower slot. In my case, it worked reliably in the lower slot, but only rarely in the upper one. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 5 00:51:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA085101066; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:51:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22653; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:48:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22550; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs03.infoave.net (pacs03.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22538; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-18.r13.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IQSNXU4VAG8ZZY79@InfoAve.Net> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:47:47 EST Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:37:57 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: Home & Away Modem/Network Card-Its working Now To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34879335.B54@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Many thnaks to all who responded to my post. A special thanks to Steve All responses made life a lot easier... Linn Skipper From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 5 07:03:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132523386; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:03:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08713; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:00:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08553; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08515; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 06:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ben.edelweb.fr (ben.edelweb.fr [193.51.12.62]) by edelweb.fr with ESMTP id MAA27758 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:59:50 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ben@localhost) by ben.edelweb.fr (8.8.5/8.6.6) id NAA02656; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:04:02 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:04:01 +0100 (MET) From: Ben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560E and 1024x768 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just got the TP560E and I'm trying to run it in either 1024x768 or in 1280x1024 with the Win95 that came with it. Can someone who has one of these beasts assure me that this is possible in a non-interlaced mode? And if you could be so kind as to tell me what it took, since I'm using a multi sync monitor that normally does support 1024x768 NI. Thanks! Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 5 16:49:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233628596; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:49:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23048; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:45:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22744; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from wardr.cm.neosoft.com (wardr.cm.neosoft.com [206.109.172.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22708; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ward@localhost) by wardr.cm.neosoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00570 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:41:48 -0600 From: Reagen Ward Message-Id: <199712052141.PAA00570@wardr.cm.neosoft.com> Subject: 355/360 Battery in 750C? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:41:48 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" at Dec 5, 97 12:15:30 pm Reply-To: ward@localbar.com Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is it ok to use a battery for a 355/360 in a 750? Thanks! Reagen PS: Thanks for all the responses on how to switch the kb of 2 750C's. Everyone was very helpful. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 6 01:58:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA040651485; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:58:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09409; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:54:24 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08937; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA02597; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from koobera.math.uic.edu (koobera.math.uic.edu [131.193.178.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29262; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 264 invoked by uid 666); 6 Dec 1997 00:24:12 -0000 Date: 6 Dec 1997 00:24:12 -0000 Message-Id: <19971206002412.263.qmail@cr.yp.to> From: "D. J. Bernstein" To: drums@cs.utk.edu Subject: List-* replies considered harmful Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > If we want to discourage lists from munging author-supplied header fields, > we need to define List-* fields that are very clearly reserved for lists. I have no objection to the concept of using RFC 822 header fields for envelope information, as we've discussed before. However, it would be very strange for this information to affect response targets. Example: You send a message to drums@cs.utk.edu and ietf-822@imc.org. I receive it from drums with the drums List-* fields in my drums mailbox. I also receive it from ietf-822 with the ietf-822 List-* fields in my ietf-822 mailbox. Should my followup target depend on where I see the message? Btw, the current version of mutt will automatically add Mail-Followup-To: drums@cs.utk.edu, ietf-822@imc.org so followups will go to exactly the right addresses. ---Dan Put an end to fake mailing list subscriptions. http://pobox.com/~djb/ezmlm.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 6 01:58:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA040841512; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:58:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09502; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:56:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09083; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09070; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.utk.edu by spot.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA02618; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:55:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712060655.BAA02618@spot.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ X-Pgp-Key: 2F07A741 ; 78 15 8E 8B C0 06 5D D1 BC 08 05 7F 42 81 7E 90 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [admin] sorry about the previous message from Bernstein Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu From: Keith Moore Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 01:55:56 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The message from Bernstein was intended for a different list that I maintain. It got caught by my spam filter, and I accidentally approved it for the wrong mailing list. Keith From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 6 14:09:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA120555398; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:09:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02605; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:05:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02393; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (root@u1.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02375; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad (ppp-70.ts-1.hck.idt.net [169.132.51.142]) by u1.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02876 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:41:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <34898045.5A9C@idt.net> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 11:41:42 -0500 From: Rich Joseph X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701CS / Win 95 Parallel Port Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been having a new problem on my 701CS and Win95 (not the OSR2) that has me baffled. If I use my Thinkpad as standalone (either booting that way or having un-docked it from my Multiport II), then re-attach to my Multi-port II, my printer (on LPT 1) doesn't work. Going into Device Manager, under Ports, shows 2 LPT1, one with the settings and address for my floppy/parallel port (which is normally LPT2 when docked) and the other for my regular parallel port. When I reboot everything works fine until I un-dock and re-dock again. In the "Device Usage" area on the General page for the LPT1, I have tried both checking and unchecking the "undocked" box and that doesn't seem to have made a difference. It seems like something is not changing ports as it should when I undock and redock, but it had worked perfectly for a year before this started happening. Have you experienced anything like this. Any ideas for a solution? Thanks for any help! Rich Joseph From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 6 14:55:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125888117; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:55:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04058; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:52:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03987; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu (merle.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03974; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by merle.acns.nwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA07929 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:52:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from eng079050.res-hall.nwu.edu(209.100.79.50) by merle.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma007700; Sat, 6 Dec 97 13:52:02 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19960103135235.00749ee8@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: jcl757@merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 13:52:35 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jason Lin Subject: re: vmm32.tmp problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been trying to re-install Windows95 on my Thinkpad 560. I keep getting a vmm32.tmp error. A friend of mine told me that this might be related to hardware. Does anybody have a clue to this problem? Thanks. jason jasonlin@nwu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 6 23:26:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187518802; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 23:26:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13669; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 23:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Dec 1997 23:19:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13574; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 23:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from eye.rist.re.kr (eye.rist.re.kr [203.249.227.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13561; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 23:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bin@localhost) by eye.rist.re.kr (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06693; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 13:22:04 +0900 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 13:22:04 +0900 Message-Id: <199712070422.NAA06693@eye.rist.re.kr> From: Mahn-Soo Choi Reply-To: Mahn-Soo Choi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: XF86-3.3.1 on TP365XD ? Cc: mschoi@vision.postech.ac.kr Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anybody have XFree86-3.3.1 working on ThinkPad 365XD (TFP)? Before I had XFree-3.2 perfectly working on my machine. Now I have XFree-3.3.1 from Slackware 3.4, and cannot get it tuned. Some say that it's owing to faults in Slackware distribution. Can it be true? I'll greatly appreciate any suggestion of you. --mahn-soo choi dept. of phys. pohang univ. of sci. & tech. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 7 01:27:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202956074; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 01:27:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17049; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 01:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Dec 1997 01:25:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16956; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 01:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from unexexch.unex.ucla.edu (exchange.unex.ucla.edu [128.97.115.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16944; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 01:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by exchange.unex.ucla.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:17:09 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Swartz, Charles" To: "'Randal Whittle'" , TP List Subject: RE: 560 Battery Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:17:05 -0800 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randall, I purchased a second battery when I got my 560. I used both, swapping frequently. The one that shipped with the unit has worked fine, but the 2nd did exactly what yours did. I called and IBM replaced the battery with a new one. Charles S. Swartz Program Manager Dept. of Entertainment Studies & Performing Arts UCLA Extension cswartz@unex.ucla.edu 310-825-9634 Phone 310-206-7435 Fax > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 10:35 AM > To: TP List > Subject: 560 Battery > > Has anyone had a 560 battery--or any other lithium-ion batter--just > suddenly go completely dead on them? > > I have 2 batteries for my TP 560 and generally I just swap between > them > every now and again. Unless I'm going on a trip where I want both > batteries, I pretty much just leave one of them on the shelf, with the > occasional swap just to keep both of them exercised. > > Is it possible to leave one on the shelf for too long? I think its > been > perhaps as long as a couple of months since I last swapped batteries > around > and now that I put my #2 battery back in, the system just plain > *won't* > charge it. Its not as though the battery won't "hold" a charge, its > that > it *never* GETS charged to begin with. System still works fine with > my #1 > battery. > > Now I've had batteries slowly die from constant cycling (the 750 > series was > guilty of this), but I haven't had a battery outright die just from > sitting > there for so short a time. It worked fine when I last used it! > > Help? Advice? Similar experiences? > > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 7 06:36:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA241454599; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 06:36:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00737; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 06:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Dec 1997 06:34:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00579; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 06:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00567; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 06:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86055-1>; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:33:48 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id MAA28720 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:32:28 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 09:33:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: XF86-3.3.1 on TP365XD ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: haraldm@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mahn-Soo Choi (mschoi@postech.ac.kr) wrote: > Does anybody have XFree86-3.3.1 working on ThinkPad 365XD (TFP)? > > Before I had XFree-3.2 perfectly working on my machine. > Now I have XFree-3.3.1 from Slackware 3.4, and cannot get it tuned. What exactly means "cannot get it tuned"? Can you tell what graphics chip you have? If it's the Cyber9320, XFree86 3.3.1 is likely to be broken. I am using the 3.2 X server on my TP760EL (which has the same graphics chip) with the LCD and 3.3.1 with an external monitor (1024x768@75 Hz). If you were happy with the 3.2 X server, I'd keep using it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 7 11:40:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA273042848; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:40:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05602; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:38:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05436; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from parasite.irisa.fr (parasite.irisa.fr [131.254.12.47]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05424; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from parafoudre.irisa.fr (parafoudre.irisa.fr [131.254.12.44]) by parasite.irisa.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05634; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:38:02 +0100 (MET) To: haraldm@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XF86-3.3.1 on TP365XD ? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.95) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: David Mentre Date: 07 Dec 1997 17:38:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: hm@seneca.muc.de's message of "Sun, 7 Dec 1997 09:33:00 +0100" Message-Id: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all thinkpad users, hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) writes: > Can you tell what graphics chip you have? If it's the Cyber9320, XFree86 > 3.3.1 is likely to be broken. I am using the 3.2 X server on my TP760EL > (which has the same graphics chip) with the LCD and 3.3.1 with an external > monitor (1024x768@75 Hz). Regarding 365XD Xfree problems, Marc Merlin as made in interesting poll which tries to find BIOS related problems with XFree. I have made it avalailable at : http://www.irisa.fr/prive/mentre/365xd/#new1 This poll lack some results. It would be interesting if others 365XD users could send us more info in order to track more precisely the problem. Regards, d. -- David.Mentre@irisa.fr -- CAPS research team - Irisa - France Personal info: http://www.irisa.fr/prive/mentre/ Professional info: http://www.irisa.fr/caps/PEOPLE/David/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 7 20:09:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045353363; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:09:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17311; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:07:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:03:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17081; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.esper.com (root@alpha.esper.com [204.71.4.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17068; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:03:17 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from jseabolt (ppp116.sullivan.preferred.com [205.138.53.129]) by alpha.esper.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA10695 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:03:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199712080103.UAA10695@alpha.esper.com> To: Subject: How to subscribe Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 14:50:06 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can someone tell me how to subscribe to this list? 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Thanks. ********************************************************** Homepage: http://www.preferred.com/~jseabolt/ 1980 FIAT 2000 Spider 1981 FIAT X 1/9 1994 Jeep Wrangler ********************************************************** From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 7 23:07:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA072714032; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:07:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21694; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:57:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21541; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21518; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts02.loop.net (p11.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.86]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA15225 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:56:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712080356.TAA15225@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 07 Dec 97 20:47:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: re: vmm32.tmp problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 03 Jan 1996 13:52:35 -0600, Jason Lin wrote: >I've been trying to re-install Windows95 on my Thinkpad 560. I keep >getting a vmm32.tmp error. A friend of mine told me that this might be >related to hardware. Does anybody have a clue to this problem? > Have you tried deleting your C:\WINDOWS and C:\DESKTO~1 directories first? It could be a conflicting file. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 7 23:11:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073684287; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:11:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22498; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:03:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21880; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21867; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts02.loop.net (p11.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.86]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA15913 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:02:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712080402.UAA15913@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 07 Dec 97 20:53:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560E and 1024x768 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:04:01 +0100 (MET), Ben wrote: >I just got the TP560E and I'm trying to run it in either 1024x768 or in >1280x1024 with the Win95 that came with it. > >Can someone who has one of these beasts assure me that this is possible >in a non-interlaced mode? And if you could be so kind as to tell me what >it took, since I'm using a multi sync monitor that normally does support >1024x768 NI. > I don't really think it matters much on the video card as to whether or not your CRT is interlaced or not, but rather the CRT itself. The 560 should support 1024*768 though, though I'm not sure of the colors. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 7 23:12:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073774320; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:12:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22702; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:05:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22085; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22008; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts02.loop.net (p11.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.86]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA15729; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:00:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712080400.UAA15729@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "richard" Cc: "hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 07 Dec 97 20:52:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>"The latest notebook PCs powered by 233MHz Tillamook Pentium chips perform >on a >>par with 233MHz Pentium-based desktop PCs but, for what they cost, a company >>could buy a Pentium II desktop system and have money left over." >> >>http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/reviews/1201/01note.html >> >>The article has a favorable review of the 560x. > > It sounds as though this is a new event with the Tillamook chip package. >Frankly I'm still suspicious though... Do remember we're talking about >*systemic* performance, not just chip. And as a system, a laptop has >*many* compromises that you don't see in desktops (HD speed, for one--video >for another). All these compromises work to slow the system down compared >to your average desktop. > And it's also costlier for the manafacturers to make notebooks similiar to desktops, for example in hard drive speed. The 2.5" HDs still spin at between 3,600 and 4,900 RPMS, significantly lower than desktop EIDE and SCSI, and have less throughput because of the size of the platters. The bus is slower, because you have to compromise for good battery life, CPU reliability, so it doesn't get too hot to warp the plastic, etc. As I might have mentioned earlier, you should have a specific reason to get a notebook, like size (if you have almost no desk), portability, weight when travelling, etc. No one buys a notebook because it's a speed demon. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 7 23:40:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077436042; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:40:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24364; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:33:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24142; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24130; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA13890; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:31:12 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA21903; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:34:19 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712080434.SAA21903@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: TP560E and 1024x768 To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Sun, 7 Dec 97 18:34:19 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199712080402.UAA15913@stevie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Dec 7, 97 8:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I don't really think it matters much on the video card as to whether or > not your CRT is interlaced or not, but rather the CRT itself. We've talked about this here before. Max refresh rates and max non-interlaced resoltion are functions of *both* the card *and* the monitor. Sometimes even video card version (i.e., the Hercules Stingray PCI card can drive some monitors at hgher refresh rates than the VLB model). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 01:08:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091051329; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:08:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29078; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:01:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28778; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from eye.rist.re.kr (eye.rist.re.kr [203.249.227.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28763; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bin@localhost) by eye.rist.re.kr (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00892; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:03:45 +0900 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:03:45 +0900 Message-Id: <199712080603.PAA00892@eye.rist.re.kr> From: mahn-soo choi Reply-To: mahn-soo choi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XF86-3.3.1 on TP365XD ? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks, Harald. > Mahn-Soo Choi (mschoi@postech.ac.kr) wrote: > > Does anybody have XFree86-3.3.1 working on ThinkPad 365XD (TFP)? > > > > Before I had XFree-3.2 perfectly working on my machine. > > Now I have XFree-3.3.1 from Slackware 3.4, and cannot get it tuned. > > What exactly means "cannot get it tuned"? Well, I tried with XF86Setup, and could get X to work, but poorly at 640x480 or something. Naturally, I was encouraged to believe that I may be able to fine tune the X. > Can you tell what graphics chip you have? If it's the Cyber9320, XFree86 > 3.3.1 is likely to be broken. Yes, mine is Cyber9320 according to the H/W specification. SuperProbe detects the chipset as tgui9320lcd, though. Of couse, I tried with the line "Chipset tgui9320lcd" in /etc/XF86Config. Not works as you expected. > If you were happy with the 3.2 X server, I'd keep using it. I do keep using XF86-3.2 . I'm testing 3.3.1 on a small partition of my harddisk. ^__^ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 07:53:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA134755604; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:53:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21800; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:48:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21416; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21404; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts04.loop.net (p17.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.152]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id EAA27853; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 04:43:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712081243.EAA27853@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 05 Dec 97 08:46:16 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to the >> serial port? Any problems with this setup? > > Haven't done it, but the serial port supports 14550-type buffer chip, so I >don't foresee any problem in doing so. Actually, this doesn't sound like an existant chip. I think Randy meant a 16550, which I believe was invented by National Semiconducter. PK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 07:53:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA134825613; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:53:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21792; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:48:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21440; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21428; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts04.loop.net (p17.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.152]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id EAA27859; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 04:43:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712081243.EAA27859@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Hugh Valliant" , "Tim Tyhurst" Cc: "krosen@ix.netcom.com" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 05 Dec 97 08:55:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP] PCMCIA cards working in only one slot Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:01:44 -0500 (EST), Tim Tyhurst wrote: >> >I am very happy with my Panasonic Portable PCMCIA 4x drive, but read the >> >documentation carefully!! It turns out that the drive will not work if >> >you put the PCMCIA card in the top slot instead of the bottom. >> > [ ... ] > >> I've experienced the same thing with network cards on a 760E and a 770. >> Works completely in 1 slot and partially in the other... >> >> One of those things that make you go mmmmmmmm.... > >Indeed. I had the same trouble with an Adaptec 1460A (OEM version shipped >with the Sony 4X CD Discman) and a 760C. At the time, I attributed it >to a connector clearance problem -- the external dongle fit slightly >better with the card in the lower slot. In my case, it worked reliably >in the lower slot, but only rarely in the upper one. > Well, to make this more interesting. my uncle got a Sony CD-ROM from my grandmother for Christmas, (and boy was he happy), but he can never use it, because it always crashed his Toshiba notebook. So there must be a problem with the Panasonic and Sony OEM cards then. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 08:58:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA141409495; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:58:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09828; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 02:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:57:35 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09391; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA02677; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05092; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03718; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:33:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:33:03 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Lars Christian Evensen Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Docking station and win95 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Lars Christian Evensen wrote: > My problem then is that I do not know what kind of cd player the dock came > with (it's the standard black CD drvie from IBM that is made for the > docking station) and how I get win 95 to recognise this drive and the > tokenring adapter. I believe it was a black faceplate version of the Toshiba 4101. A basic double speed, 64K buffer SCSI drive. I used to own two under the Toshiba name. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 09:14:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144530495; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:14:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09750; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 02:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:57:10 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09294; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA02654; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27072; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-32.usc.edu [128.125.222.104]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA11685; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:56:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971204104956.010022d4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 10:58:12 -0800 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Cc: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:00 AM 12/4/97 -0500, richard wrote: >On Wed, 03 Dec 1997 23:13:27 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > >>desktop. Do keep in mind that laptops are inherently slower than the >>same-MHz desktop--i.e., a 560 running at 133 MHz is *not* going to be as >>fast as virtually any desktop running at 133 MHz. Just part of the >>tradeoff you make for the benefit of portability. > >I think that the 560/133 is slower than a 133 desktop because the 560 does not >have an L2 cache. That's certainly a major part of the equation. But everything I've heard & read over the last few years is that *any* laptop of a given speed was slower all but the worst of desktops running at the same speed. > Reviews of the latest 560 - the 233 mhz 560x - indicate that >it is as fast as a 233 mhz desktop. For example: > >"The latest notebook PCs powered by 233MHz Tillamook Pentium chips perform on a >par with 233MHz Pentium-based desktop PCs but, for what they cost, a company >could buy a Pentium II desktop system and have money left over." > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/reviews/1201/01note.html > >The article has a favorable review of the 560x. It sounds as though this is a new event with the Tillamook chip package. Frankly I'm still suspicious though... Do remember we're talking about *systemic* performance, not just chip. And as a system, a laptop has *many* compromises that you don't see in desktops (HD speed, for one--video for another). All these compromises work to slow the system down compared to your average desktop. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 09:35:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147401727; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:35:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28563; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:28:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28115; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from noah.caer.uky.edu (noah.caer.uky.edu [128.163.36.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28102; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from bonza.caer.uky.edu ([128.163.36.72]) by noah.caer.uky.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA06748 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:33:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971208092957.006a9e90@noah.caer.uky.edu> X-Sender: lafferty@noah.caer.uky.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:29:58 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Chris Lafferty Subject: Hard Disk Upgrades for TP365 series Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Being a neophyte in the area of hard disks (and also believing what the manual says) I have a question for those who may have travelled along the same path and may have learnt otherwise. I am looking at upgrading the disk in my 365ED from the factory 540MB to something over a Gig, the cost of the IBM sourced disks is just a little this side of extortion. I have read where others have used Toshiba disks to upgrade 365X and XD machines. Does anyone know if the same is true for the ED series? Thanks Chris Lafferty From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 10:19:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154774393; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:19:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02771; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:17:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02382; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02368; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:17:09 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23066 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA17186 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 85256567.00543562 ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:19:46 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <85256567.0053BB0C.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:14:49 -0500 Subject: unsuscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsuscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 10:21:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA155054516; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:21:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03020; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:19:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02717; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02661; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from bs28ha.demon.co.uk ([158.152.181.205]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1010157; 8 Dec 97 15:11 GMT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Replacing old parallel Zip with new ThinkPad Zip??? Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 15:10:36 GMT Message-Id: <348f0ddf.16939642@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have been using a parallel port Zip drive with my IBM ThinkPad 760CD for nearly a year now with relatively few problems (except major headaches initially since I used to run a scanner and a printer off the same port as well). It isn't very 'portable' though (the a.c. adaptor is huge). I have just placed an order for a new Notebook Zip drive ('ThinkPad Zip') which has been customised by VST Technologies specifically for use in ThinkPad 760's Ultrabay. It may be a while before I get the delivery of the product, I suspect, since Iomega just announced the release of their Notebook Zip drives a few weeks ago. When that time comes, I plan to get rid of the paralle Zip altogether. Should I anticipate any problems? Would I need to uninstall the parallel Zip drive (and all its associated software) before setting up the new ThinkPad Zip drive? If so, how do I go about this? Anyone had experiences with this drive? Any comments would be most welcomed and appreciated. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 11:11:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA164427477; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:11:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06781; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:08:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06626; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06611; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-g-30.usc.edu [128.125.223.174]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA18797; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:08:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971208081212.007440a0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:15:19 -0800 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Cc: "hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:46 AM 12/5/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>>3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to the >>> serial port? Any problems with this setup? >> >> Haven't done it, but the serial port supports 14550-type buffer chip, so I >>don't foresee any problem in doing so. > >Actually, this doesn't sound like an existant chip. I think Randy meant a 16550, Yup. That's it. :-) It was quite an issue on the 750's, as their external serial port supported only a 16450-type UART chip, and that just wasn't fast enough for any decent, fast (then 14.4K) modem. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 14:26:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202299206; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:26:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19441; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:23:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19124; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19107; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop (slip-32-100-143-30.co.us.ibm.net [32.100.143.30]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA90326; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:21:41 GMT Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: , Subject: Re: Replacing old parallel Zip with new ThinkPad Zip??? Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:22:11 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd0416$f6f847e0$1e8f6420@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Unfortunately I cannot answer your question, but I am curious on how much they are charging? -----Original Message----- I have just placed an order for a new Notebook Zip drive ('ThinkPad Zip') which has been customised by VST Technologies specifically for use in ThinkPad 760's Ultrabay. It may be a while before I get the delivery of the product, I suspect, since Iomega just announced the release of their Notebook Zip drives a few weeks ago. When that time comes, I plan to get rid of the paralle Zip altogether. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 15:27:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214442872; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:27:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23291; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:23:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22972; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22937; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from adm.loc201.tandem.com ([155.186.68.56]) by Tandem.com (8.8.8/2.0.1) with SMTP id MAA14809 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from marmoset (marmoset.loc201.tandem.com) by adm.loc201.tandem.com (4.1/6main.940209) id AA09350; Mon, 8 Dec 97 12:23:30 PST Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:19:21 -0800 Message-Id: <01BD03D3.8357E400.chrisd@loc201.tandem.com> From: Chris DiBona Reply-To: "chrisd@loc201.tandem.com" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: ThinkPad 560 questions Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:19:19 -0800 Organization: Tandem Computers X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The worst part about all this is that notebook manufacturers (last time I checked) didn't standardize which card goes where. Some slot 0 is on top, some on bottom. And some desktop adapter have more than 2 which breaks a ton of pcmcia cards. This is against standards of course. Chris DiBona -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 12:46 AM To: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com; Randal Whittle Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions >>3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to the >> serial port? Any problems with this setup? > > Haven't done it, but the serial port supports 14550-type buffer chip, so I >don't foresee any problem in doing so. Actually, this doesn't sound like an existant chip. I think Randy meant a 16550, which I believe was invented by National Semiconducter. PK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 15:50:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219044249; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:50:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24939; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:48:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24758; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24745; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id MAA14557 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000286D5; Mon, 8 Dec 97 12:48:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:51:32 -0800 Message-Id: <000286D5.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: Hibernation crashes 760XL/W95B To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My new 760XL can't hibernate at all. I'm running W95(OSR2) on a FAT16 partition of 2.1 GB (with 16 MB RAM). BTW - more memory has been ordered, hopefully it'll be here before the end of the year. Specifically, my Thinkpad crashes with a W95 VxD type of error which causes hard crash in W95. The hibernation conditions include lid closures, and a number of time intervals with no activity before hibernation. Just for kicks, I've tried the following: a. deleting the hibernation file and then letting the Thinkpad utilities recreate the hibernation file. No joy. b. reloading the entire hard drive from the Restore CD which comes with the XL. This CD restores the hard drive (and software) to it's original, factory configuration. No joy. Anyone got any pointers or clues? Thanks in advance, Mitchell ps: let's skip the usual "W95 sucks - you should run a real OS" notes, please. I've got apps that work only on W95. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 15:57:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA220324657; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:57:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25481; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:55:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25240; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25215; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA16288; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:59:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:59:25 -0500 (EST) From: Christian Carey To: Paul Khoury Cc: Hugh Valliant , Tim Tyhurst , "krosen@ix.netcom.com" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP] Adaptec 1460A In-Reply-To: <199712081243.EAA27859@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Friday, 5th December 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > I am very happy with my Panasonic Portable PCMCIA 4x drive, but > > > > read the documentation carefully!! It turns out that the drive > > > > will not work if you put the PCMCIA card in the top slot instead > > > > of the bottom... > > > > > > I've experienced the same thing with network cards on a 760E and a > > > 770. Works completely in 1 slot and partially in the other... > > > > I had the same trouble with an Adaptec 1460A (OEM version shipped with > > the Sony 4X CD Discman) and a 760C. At the time, I attributed it to a > > connector clearance problem -- the external dongle fit slightly better > > with the card in the lower slot. In my case, it worked reliably in the > > lower slot, but only rarely in the upper one. > > Well, to make this more interesting. my uncle got a Sony CD-ROM from > my grandmother for Christmas, (and boy was he happy), but he can never > use it, because it always crashed his Toshiba notebook. So there must > be a problem with the Panasonic and Sony OEM cards then. I have the Sony 4X CD Discman (PRD-250, with the Adaptec 1460A) also, but I haven't been able to get it working with my 701C [which has the 3O BIOS] under DOS/Windows 3.1 in either slot. (My housemate has a no-name laptop with Windows 95, and it works fine with his machine.) Has anyone been able to get that combination working? Chris. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 17:22:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235949735; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:22:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01304; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:18:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00978; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00965; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.41] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.216) with smtp for id ; Mon, 8 Dec 97 16:18:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:17:54 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: [TP] Adaptec 1460A Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Christian Carey Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:59:25 -0500 (EST)  I have the Sony 4X CD Discman (PRD-250, with the Adaptec 1460A) also, but  I haven't been able to get it working with my 701C [which has the 3O BIOS]  under DOS/Windows 3.1 in either slot. (My housemate has a no-name laptop  with Windows 95, and it works fine with his machine.) Has anyone been  able to get that combination working? I just installed Warp 4 on a 701C with the latest BIOS using the 1460A and an NEC external SCSI drive. Haven't tried the DOS/Win drivers, but the card worked fine on my old Winbook. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 12/08/97, 16:17:47 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 20:50:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272672240; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:50:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10295; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:48:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10145; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10127; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_o-n-a.shadow.net (ppp-125.shadow.net [209.4.38.145]) by mail.shadow.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04066 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:49:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Priority: Normal X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Thinkpad list" Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" Subject: Not enough Memory Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 20:50:03 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm running WFW 3.11 in a thinkpad 701CS with 24 megs of ram. From time = to time, I get a "Not enough memory" error message when I try to run a = program and I already have other programs open. Could someone tell me = if this is how it's suppost to be or if I can fix this problem. Thank you in advance for your response. Geo, out. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 20:59:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274342781; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:59:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10893; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:58:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10817; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10796; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA20934; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:56:49 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA22446; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:59:56 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712090159.PAA22446@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TPall-W3.1x] Re:Not enough Memory To: o-n-a@shadow.net (Geovanny M. Ortiz) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 15:59:56 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Geovanny M. Ortiz" at Dec 8, 97 8:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Windows prior to '95 does not handle memory well - it allocates a hefty chunk of low memory for each process you run. When you run out of these chunks you're out of memory even if you have lots to spare in theory. There are several aftermarket utilities to get around this a bit (usually by making the default chunk size smaller); the only real solution is to move to OS2 or W95. > I'm running WFW 3.11 in a thinkpad 701CS with 24 megs of ram. From time = > to time, I get a "Not enough memory" error message when I try to run a = > program and I already have other programs open. Could someone tell me = > if this is how it's suppost to be or if I can fix this problem. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 21:15:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276763706; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:15:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11665; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:14:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11579; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11566; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA21016; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:12:17 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA22478; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:15:24 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712090215.QAA22478@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP] PCMCIA cards working in only one slot To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 16:15:23 HST Cc: valliant@micomtech.com, tim@excelsior.com, krosen@ix.netcom.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199712081243.EAA27859@ritchie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Dec 5, 97 8:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul said: > Well, to make this more interesting. my uncle got a Sony CD-ROM from > my grandmother for Christmas, (and boy was he happy), but he can never > use it, because it always crashed his Toshiba notebook. So there must > be a problem with the Panasonic and Sony OEM cards then. Could be a problem with the Toshiba; I know that the CMS drive that I couldn't make work on my 560 had a "doesn't work on the following Toshibas:..." warning in the FAQ. On this subject let me make another plug for the IBM portable CDROM drives (models 1969008,9,10,11). You don't see these discussed much in magazine reviews, but they are tiny, light, and - important for this group - work well with Thinkpads. Plus, they look cool:-) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 21:58:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA284336329; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:58:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12380; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:19:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12026; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11955; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA21052; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:17:14 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA22497; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:20:21 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712090220.QAA22497@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Hibernation crashes 760XL/W95B To: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 16:20:20 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000286D5.1225@jud.ca.gov>; from "Mitchell Yee" at Dec 8, 97 12:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > My new 760XL can't hibernate at all. I'm running W95(OSR2) on a FAT16 ^^^^^^^^^ Call EasyServe - and do it quickly, they'll only support your software install for n months after purchase, where n is either 1 or 2. BTW, MY own APM problems on my TP560 were solved with the newest BIOS release. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 22:03:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA286646614; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:03:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12384; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:21:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12308; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12234; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts16.loop.net (p20.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.35]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA27156; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:16:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712090216.SAA27156@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 19:10:27 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:15:19 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 08:46 AM 12/5/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>>>3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to the >>>> serial port? Any problems with this setup? >>> >>> Haven't done it, but the serial port supports 14550-type buffer chip, so I >>>don't foresee any problem in doing so. >> >>Actually, this doesn't sound like an existant chip. I think Randy meant a >16550, > > Yup. That's it. :-) > > It was quite an issue on the 750's, as their external serial port >supported only a 16450-type UART chip, and that just wasn't fast enough for >any decent, fast (then 14.4K) modem. > > I think that the 16450 adds buffering or some little feature to the 8250, and the 16550 has more improvements, and FIFO. Also interesting is that you can take off the 8250 or 16450 on older I/O cards and replace it with a 16550, because they operate exactly the same, but software determines whether you can use the advanced features of the 16550 or not. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 22:19:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001557559; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:19:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14983; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:17:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14802; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14782; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts16.loop.net (p20.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.35]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA11666; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:16:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712090316.TAA11666@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Geovanny M. Ortiz" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 20:07:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Not enough Memory Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 08 Dec 97 20:50:03 PST, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >I'm running WFW 3.11 in a thinkpad 701CS with 24 megs of ram. From time to time, I get a "Not enough memory" error message when I try to run a program and I already have other programs open. Could someone tell me if this is how it's suppost to be or if I can fix this problem. > Try increasing the swapper file size in Virtual Memory. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 22:26:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007568006; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:26:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15826; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:25:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15634; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15619; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts16.loop.net (p20.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.35]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA12989; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:25:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712090325.TAA12989@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 20:15:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPall-W3.1x] Re:Not enough Memory Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 8 Dec 97 15:59:56 HST, David Ross wrote: >Windows prior to '95 does not handle memory well - it allocates a hefty >chunk of low memory for each process you run. When you run out of these chunks >you're out of memory even if you have lots to spare in theory. There are >several aftermarket utilities to get around this a bit (usually by making the >default chunk size smaller); the only real solution is to move to OS2 or >W95. > Windows 95? I had a bad time with memory in it. I think that the best memory managing OSes are OS/2 Warp and Linux, with my personal favorite obviously being OS/2. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 22:28:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA008788096; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:28:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16076; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:27:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16000; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15947; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts16.loop.net (p20.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.35]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA29566; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:22:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712090322.TAA29566@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 20:16:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP] PCMCIA cards working in only one slot Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 8 Dec 97 16:15:23 HST, David Ross wrote: >Paul said: > >> Well, to make this more interesting. my uncle got a Sony CD-ROM from >> my grandmother for Christmas, (and boy was he happy), but he can never >> use it, because it always crashed his Toshiba notebook. So there must >> be a problem with the Panasonic and Sony OEM cards then. > >Could be a problem with the Toshiba; I know that the CMS drive that I >couldn't make work on my 560 had a "doesn't work on the following Toshibas:..." >warning in the FAQ. > >On this subject let me make another plug for the IBM portable CDROM >drives (models 1969008,9,10,11). You don't see these discussed much in >magazine reviews, but they are tiny, light, and - important for this >group - work well with Thinkpads. Plus, they look cool:-) > How much, and do they work with OS/2 (standard question procedure)? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 22:40:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010918827; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:40:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16879; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:39:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16797; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16779; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA21628; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:37:46 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA22577; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:40:52 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712090340.RAA22577@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TPall] IBM portable CDROM (was: [TP] PCMCIA cards working in only one slot) To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 17:40:52 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ross@math.hawaii.edu In-Reply-To: <199712090322.TAA29566@ritchie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Dec 8, 97 8:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I said: > >On this subject let me make another plug for the IBM portable CDROM > >drives (models 1969008,9,10,11). Paul asked: > How much, and do they work with OS/2 (standard question procedure)? They come with OS/2 drivers, so I suppose they do. I'm pretty sure they work with Linux too (at least, when I was web-surfing for product info, I ran across a discussion of how to get them to work with Linux). As for price: too expensive. My 4x was a refurb for $150, but the place where I bought it has no more. I think the newer 8-20x CAV versions retail for several hundred. BTW, I found a nice site for 'legacy' IBM option specs: www.au.pc.ibm.com/products/othobi.html Too bad IBM/us thinks that 3-month-old options should be expunged from *their* site! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 22:58:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA013599882; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:58:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15556; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:23:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15488; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15475; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts16.loop.net (p20.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.35]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA29448; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:19:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712090319.TAA29448@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mdavis1@airmail.net" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 20:13:48 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP] Adaptec 1460A Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:17:54 CST, Mark O. Davis wrote: >** Reply to note from Christian Carey Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:59:25 -0500 (EST) > > > I have the Sony 4X CD Discman (PRD-250, with the Adaptec 1460A) also, but > I haven't been able to get it working with my 701C [which has the 3O BIOS] > under DOS/Windows 3.1 in either slot. (My housemate has a no-name laptop > with Windows 95, and it works fine with his machine.) Has anyone been > able to get that combination working? > >I just installed Warp 4 on a 701C with the latest BIOS using the 1460A and >an NEC external SCSI drive. Haven't tried the DOS/Win drivers, but the card >worked fine on my old Winbook. > Did OS/2 recognize it in the startup disks okay? Does it come with any OS/2 SCSI utilities? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 23:14:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016010870; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:14:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18443; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:12:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18313; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18301; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.65.130.74]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18943; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 04:12:12 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: 701C w/ Outboard CD-Rom Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:15:47 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19971209041210.AAA18943@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Christian, I am a relatively new owner of a TP701C and realized that I couldn't load anything on it. So besides adding 32Mb of RAM in ordered and outboard CD-ROM drive. I recently went through the Panasonic CD-ROM trials and tribulations. Here is what I ended up doing after I strongly considered going from Texas to New Jersey to do the Panasonic technical non-support people bodily harm. I called IBM Thinkpad group technical support people who had me look into the device manager. Apparently my W95 Plug and Play kept putting the driver on interrupt 10 which my thinkpad for some unknown reseason didn't like. They had me take it off "auto detect" and change the interrupt setting to 9 which worked like a charm. Ultimately I've sent the Panasonic unit back because I received such poor service and will probably buy and Addonics or something similar. Hope this helps. Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 23:21:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA017471302; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:21:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18937; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:20:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18832; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18807; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts16.loop.net (p20.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.35]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA20259; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:20:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712090420.UAA20259@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ccarey@capaccess.org" , "s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net" Cc: "Thinkpad" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 20:10:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C w/ Outboard CD-Rom Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:15:47 -0600, Stanley Chen wrote: >Hi Christian, > >I am a relatively new owner of a TP701C and realized that I couldn't load >anything on it. So besides adding 32Mb of RAM in ordered and outboard >CD-ROM drive. I recently went through the Panasonic CD-ROM trials and >tribulations. Here is what I ended up doing after I strongly considered >going from Texas to New Jersey to do the Panasonic technical non-support >people bodily harm. I called IBM Thinkpad group technical support people >who had me look into the device manager. Apparently my W95 Plug and Play >kept putting the driver on interrupt 10 which my thinkpad for some unknown >reseason didn't like. They had me take it off "auto detect" and change the >interrupt setting to 9 which worked like a charm. Ultimately I've sent the >Panasonic unit back because I received such poor service and will probably >buy and Addonics or something similar. Hope this helps. > > On my 701, IRQ 10 goes to the audio. You could've been conflicting with the audio. But that really is bad service on Panasony's part. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 23:27:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018121623; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:27:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19381; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:26:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19208; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19177; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25225; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:23:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:23:40 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions In-Reply-To: <199712090216.SAA27156@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > I think that the 16450 adds buffering or some little feature to the > 8250, and the 16550 has more improvements, and FIFO. The 16450 was a slightly faster version of the 8250. The 16550 added a 16-bit FIFO buffer. > Also interesting > is that you can take off the 8250 or 16450 on older I/O cards and replace > it with a 16550, because they operate exactly the same, but software > determines whether you can use the advanced features of the 16550 or > not. I've done that with a few IO cards. Unless they are socketed it is hardly worth it. I've desoldered 8250's and 16450's from a few IO boards, installed sockets and stuck in 16550's. It mattered a lot more about 3-7 years ago when I mainly had '386 and '486 boxes and IO boards with 16550's were both expensive and hard to find. Having a good desolder station makes it practical. Not having one makes it fairly difficult. Nowadays you can also get a 16650 which increases the buffer to 32-bytes. This helps at 230.4Kbps and 460.8Kbps speeds and higher. They no longer use the same pinout and usually have 2-4 ports worth in one IC. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 23:28:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018271685; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:28:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19536; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:27:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19391; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19334; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.65.130.74]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA2921 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 04:26:10 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Not enough Memory Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:26:29 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19971209042608.AAA2921@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu * Try running your larger applications first and your smaller ones last. * Change wallpaper to: pattern of 50% Gray or None * If you don't need what's on the clipboard, clear it. * Run non-Windows programs full-screen instead of windowed. * Iconize any Windows programs that you want to keep open; otherwise close them. * Remove unused fonts from your system using control panel. * Decrease the size of your disk cache. 1Mb cache works well on most systems. Stanley Chen ---------- From: Geovanny M. Ortiz To: Thinkpad list Subject: Not enough Memory Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 10:50 PM I'm running WFW 3.11 in a thinkpad 701CS with 24 megs of ram. From time to time, I get a "Not enough memory" error message when I try to run a program and I already have other programs open. Could someone tell me if this is how it's suppost to be or if I can fix this problem. Thank you in advance for your response. Geo, out. ---------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 23:32:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA019331978; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:32:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20111; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:32:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20030; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19999; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts16.loop.net (p20.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.35]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA02151; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:27:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712090427.UAA02151@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Parker" Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 20:22:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:23:40 -0800 (PST), Steve Parker wrote: >On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> I think that the 16450 adds buffering or some little feature to the >> 8250, and the 16550 has more improvements, and FIFO. > > The 16450 was a slightly faster version of the 8250. The 16550 added a >16-bit FIFO buffer. Are you sure, or did you mean 16 byte? Because it will also work on 8 bit cards. > >> Also interesting >> is that you can take off the 8250 or 16450 on older I/O cards and replace >> it with a 16550, because they operate exactly the same, but software >> determines whether you can use the advanced features of the 16550 or >> not. > > I've done that with a few IO cards. Unless they are socketed it is >hardly worth it. Well, yea. I use an 8250 for my mouse, and a 16550 for my 9600 bps modem. Too bad I can't use my Home & Away on my server, though. I've desoldered 8250's and 16450's from a few IO boards, >installed sockets and stuck in 16550's. It mattered a lot more about 3-7 >years ago when I mainly had '386 and '486 boxes and IO boards with 16550's >were both expensive and hard to find. > > Having a good desolder station makes it practical. Not having one makes >it fairly difficult. Well, I know how to solder, but I'm not too good at it. > > Nowadays you can also get a 16650 which increases the buffer to >32-bytes. This helps at 230.4Kbps and 460.8Kbps speeds and higher. They >no longer use the same pinout and usually have 2-4 ports worth in one IC. > I don't know about that; NSC says that the pinout is still the same as the 16450 and 8250's. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 8 23:42:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020572548; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:42:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20794; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:41:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20717; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20704; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25335; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:40:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:40:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions In-Reply-To: <199712090427.UAA02151@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Are you sure, or did you mean 16 byte? Because it will also > work on 8 bit cards. Stupid typo.. Yes, I meant 16-byte. I should have re-read that before sending it. The 8250/16450/16550 all have an 8-bit memory interface. > Well, I know how to solder, but I'm not too good at it. If you have sockets already you don't need to. I didn't have them, and knew how to install them. It let me re-use old boards from the XT days. A buffered COM port really helps an XT keep up with fast modems. =) > > Nowadays you can also get a 16650 which increases the buffer to > >32-bytes. This helps at 230.4Kbps and 460.8Kbps speeds and higher. They > >no longer use the same pinout and usually have 2-4 ports worth in one IC. > > > I don't know about that; NSC says that the pinout is still the same as the > 16450 and 8250's. Yes, the 16550 pinout is the same as the 8250 and 16450. I said the 16650 [which isn't by NS as far as I know] uses a different pinout. I also have heard of one with a 1K FIFO [might have been 2K] but I don't recall a part number for it. I think Startech makes them. I know they make 2 port and 4 port versions of the 16550 called the 16552 and 16554. I haven't read anything about them for about 9 months though. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 07:32:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA086360743; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:32:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11636; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:30:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11427; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from kendall.chenoweth.net (kendall@[205.246.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11407; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by kendall.chenoweth.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA00530 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:30:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: kendall.chenoweth.net: kendall owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:30:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kendall Don Chenoweth X-Sender: kendall@kendall.chenoweth.net To: IBM Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Win965/Thinkpad 365X/Ultima8 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am trying to run Ultima 8 on windows 95 using a Thinkpad 365X. This computer has a PS2 trackpoint III mouse. Ultima 8 requires detection of a Microsoft Mouse driver. How can I make ultima 8 think that there is a microsoft mouse driver installed? What driver should I install? Kendall ------------------------------------------------------------------------ kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com http://www.ultranet.com/~kendall 20 Eames Street, Apt #19, Framingham, MA 01702, (508) 626-2686, 628-9283 Fidelity Investments V: (508) 787-7744, P: (800) 759-8888 (PIN #2128450) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 10:10:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA109990244; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:10:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20088; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:06:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19847; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19829; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx08-20.teleport.com (ip-pdx08-20.teleport.com [206.163.123.244]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23545 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:06:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:06:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712091506.HAA23545@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Keyboard Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone tried the IBM keyboard (full size) that has a trackpoint built into it? If so, how does it feel and etc. Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 10:13:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110440411; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:13:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20518; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:12:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20278; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20266; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.28] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.216) with smtp for id ; Tue, 9 Dec 97 09:12:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:12:10 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: [TP] Adaptec 1460A Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Addressed to: "Paul Khoury" "ThinkPad List" ** Reply to note from "Paul Khoury" Mon, 08 Dec 97 20:13:48  >I just installed Warp 4 on a 701C with the latest BIOS using the 1460A and  >an NEC external SCSI drive. Haven't tried the DOS/Win drivers, but the card  >worked fine on my old Winbook.  >  Did OS/2 recognize it in the startup disks okay? Does it come with any  OS/2 SCSI utilities? You have to make some changes to the installation diskettes. Check out Ty Shrake's Warped Thinkpad page at http://www.tpwarper.com/. I followed the procedure he details there; on the second reboot, OS/2 couldn't find my CD because the PC Card drivers weren't installed yet. That was easily remedied by booting to a command prompt, copying the drivers from the diskette and editing CONFIG.SYS on the installation drive. It's possible that putting the line SET COPPYFROMFLOPPY=1 in the CONFIG.SYS on Diskette 1 could obviate the need for that step. I'm not sure what you mean by "SCSI utilities". Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 12/09/97, 09:12:06 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 11:03:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA120893424; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24417; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:02:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24316; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24286; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.52] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.216) with smtp for id ; Tue, 9 Dec 97 10:02:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:02:31 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: What is BBS Diskette 1? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm trying to install version 4.2.4 of the C&T video drivers for OS/2 on my used 701C. When I run setup.cmd, a box displays asking me to insert the diskette with the label "BBS Diskette 1". I don't have any such diskette. Where would I find it? Thanks. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 12/09/97, 10:02:27 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 11:51:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA131006299; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:51:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28360; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:49:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28035; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28020; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.52] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.216) with smtp for id ; Tue, 9 Dec 97 10:48:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:48:50 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: What is BBS Diskette 1? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Mark O. Davis" Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:02:31 CST  I'm trying to install version 4.2.4 of the C&T video drivers for OS/2 on my  used 701C. When I run setup.cmd, a box displays asking me to insert the  diskette with the label "BBS Diskette 1". I don't have any such diskette.  Where would I find it? Thanks. Never mind; when I RTFM, I saw where it says to label the diskette and what to label it with. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 12/09/97, 10:48:46 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 13:31:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148762283; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:31:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05229; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:27:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04985; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (ns0.teleport.com [192.108.254.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04963; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29600; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA20722; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:28:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Bryan Daum Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Keyboard In-Reply-To: <199712091506.HAA23545@mail1.teleport.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu BTW How much does it cost? On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: > Has anyone tried the IBM keyboard (full size) that has a trackpoint built > into it? If so, how does it feel and etc. > > Bryan > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 13:46:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151013178; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:46:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06333; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:43:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06146; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from siren.ipa.net (siren.ipa.net [205.218.170.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06115; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ironhand (pool-218.faye.ipa.net [206.27.222.218]) by siren.ipa.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA05586; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:43:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712091843.MAA05586@siren.ipa.net> Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: 701C w/ Outboard CD-ROM Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:43:11 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: <199712090420.UAA20259@stevie.loop.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2039.0 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Paul! > On my 701, IRQ 10 goes to the audio. You could've been conflicting = with the > audio. But that really is bad service on Panasonic's part. Speaking of IRQ's on the ThinkPad 701 -- Mine is presently configured as = follows: IRQ map: 1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard 2 Programmable interrupt controller 3 Panasonic KXLC002 (Panasonic 4X CD-ROM) 4 IBM ThinkPad 701 Internal Modem 5 LPT2 (Canon BubbleJet BJC-70 printer) 6 Standard Floppy Disk Controller 7 LPT1 (Logitech ScanMan PowerPage scanner) 8 System CMOS/real time clock 9 ESS588 AudioDrive 10 Xircom CE-IIps CreditCard Ethernet Adapter 11 theoretically available=20 12 Logitech PS/2 Port Mouse (Logitech TrackMan Marble trackball) 13 Numeric data processor 14 Standard IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller 15 theoretically available=20 I'm running Windows 95 OSR2 from a 2.1 gig HD. I have applied the Flash = BIOS upgrade from IBM. I have the Communications Port (conventionally = COM2) and the IBM ThinkPad Infrared Port (COM2) disabled because they = want to use IRQ 3. In this configuration, I have to plug my trackball into the PS/2 port. = As a consequence, I am unable to use the middle button which is = supported by the driver only when the trackball is accessed via a serial = port. So I want to use the Communications Port (re-enabled and = configured to COM2 via the CMOS setup) to access the trackball. That = means the Panasonic CD-ROM would have to use a different IRQ. It's = choices are 3,4,7,9 and 10. I could use IRQ 10 for the CD-ROM without conflict if I could relocate = the Xircom network adapter. It's choices according to the manual are = 3,4, 7,9,10, 11, and 15. If I could assign IRQ 11 or IRQ 15, I would be = home free to configure the rest of the IRQ's the way I want. However, = when I got to Control Panel/System Properties/Xircom CD-IIps CreditCard = Ethernet Adapter/Resources and attempt to change the IRQ, I find that = Windows 95 OSR2 limits my selection to 3, 4, 7, 9 or 10. Neither 11 or = 15 are not offered as viable options. If I attempt to manually enter 11 = or 15, Windows tells me that the setting is not valid for this device = and automatically chooses IRQ 3 instead. Paul, can you (or anybody else reading this) tell me how to use IRQ 11 = or 15 for the Xircom network card given this situation? My suspicion is = that this is a Xircom driver related problem, but that being said what = can I do about it? Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, AR 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086, InterNet: rwking@ipa.net http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html=20 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 15:54:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176820878; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:54:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13565; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:09:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13275; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13260; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id MAA27593; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from hi-av1.cadence.com(158.140.128.31) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma881698281.027487; Tue, 9 Dec 97 12:11:22 -0800 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (sj4a-35 [158.140.31.45]) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04890; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:11:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:11:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712092011.MAA04890@mailhub.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" From: Don Perley Subject: Re: Not enough Memory Cc: "Thinkpad list" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:50 PM 12/8/97 PST, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: As someone else pointed out, the real memory shortage is in the "low" memory. Unfortuneatly, the network program (the whole reason for WFW, right?) claims more low memory than just about anything. If I run net, I can often run only one other program, so I usually opt out of it whenever I'm not on the ethernet. The infomation support person at my company promised that installing WFW wouldn't break anything that ran under regular windows (not 95). That was wrong as you can't run WFW under OS/2. Running windows programs under OS/2 you can just start up a new windows session whenever you run out of low memory. -Don Perley >I'm running WFW 3.11 in a thinkpad 701CS with 24 megs of ram. From time to time, I get a "Not enough memory" error message when I try to run a program and I already have other programs open. Could someone tell me if this is how it's suppost to be or if I can fix this problem. > >Thank you in advance for your response. > >Geo, out. > >perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 17:42:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA208187336; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:42:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22107; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:32:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21616; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21590; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06384 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:37:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06380 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:37:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971209053724.009c4950@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 05:37:24 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: TP560, Zip drive and WinNT v4.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Help! Does anyone have a Zip drive running on a 560 (or any other model TP) under NT40? SCSI or parallel? Thanks, Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 18:10:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213159043; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:10:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23774; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:03:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23607; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from bbnplanet.com (mail.bbnplanet.com [198.114.157.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23590; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:03:27 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from cushendun.bbnplanet.com by mail.bbnplanet.com id aa09372; 9 Dec 97 18:07 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 08 Nov 1997 11:07:00 +0100. Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 18:04:36 -0500 Message-Id: <9712091807.aa09372@mail.bbnplanet.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:07:00 +0100 > Dominique Pivard (domi@kenavo.fi) wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 at 08:58 AM you, epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), said: > > > > > From what I've heard around the net, the 560E shouldn't be a problem > > >because it uses the Trident chip, but the new 560X line will have > > >trouble, since IBM switches to the NeoMagic video chip that doesn't work > > >with anything but Windows... > > > > Well, the NeoMagic page (http://www.rahul.net/neomagic/Nmdriver.html) seem > > to imply there's Linux support via a third party company (Xi Graphics). > > Not for the chips used in the notebooks, only for the PCI expansion cards > used for desktop models. There's no support whatsoever for the notebook > chips in either XFree86, MetroX or Accel-X, nor will there be any in > XFree86 due to NDA considerations. Hi, Old thread, but I thought I might raise it again now that the 560X is out. Was the comment about the NeoMagic chip speculation that they would change to it? The 560X as released so far is still SVGA and the technical specs they publish still mention the Trident chips. Any other experience? Too bad they haven't taken it to 1024x768 yet, but on the other hand the ability to run XFree86 is a even better bonus! Sean From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 19:09:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223992576; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:09:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26398; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:01:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26211; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us [164.107.107.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26148; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01024; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pcarter@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA18669; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:04:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:01:19 -0500 (EST) From: Philip Carter Subject: Re: Keyboard To: Bryan Daum Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199712091506.HAA23545@mail1.teleport.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I like mine. I have been using it for about 3 years with no problems. I also have a mouse plugged into the keyboard, and I use it for drawing, etc. The trackpoint doesn't require you to keep the mouse still for double clicking, etc, but you already know about that stuff. On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: > Has anyone tried the IBM keyboard (full size) that has a trackpoint built > into it? > If so, how does it feel and etc. > > Bryan NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 19:58:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230895518; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:58:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28587; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:49:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28403; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28388; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from adm.loc201.tandem.com ([155.186.68.56]) by Tandem.com (8.8.8/2.0.1) with SMTP id QAA07789; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from marmoset (marmoset.loc201.tandem.com) by adm.loc201.tandem.com (4.1/6main.940209) id AA06297; Tue, 9 Dec 97 16:55:37 PST Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:51:21 -0800 Message-Id: <01BD04C2.AD2324D0.chrisd@loc201.tandem.com> From: Chris DiBona Reply-To: "chrisd@loc201.tandem.com" To: "'liam@bbnplanet.com'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:51:19 -0800 Organization: Tandem Computers X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hate to break your bubble, but there is a Accellerated-X laptop version that specifically supports the Neo-Magic. It's about 200$. I'm usre that neo-magic will be featured soon enough for free. In the meantime, the vesa modes should work for you (although I haven't done it myself yet) here's an URL for ya: http://www.xinside.com/products/lxdata.html Chris -----Original Message----- From: liam@bbnplanet.com [SMTP:liam@bbnplanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 3:05 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:07:00 +0100 > Dominique Pivard (domi@kenavo.fi) wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 at 08:58 AM you, epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), said: > > > > > From what I've heard around the net, the 560E shouldn't be a problem > > >because it uses the Trident chip, but the new 560X line will have > > >trouble, since IBM switches to the NeoMagic video chip that doesn't work > > >with anything but Windows... > > > > Well, the NeoMagic page (http://www.rahul.net/neomagic/Nmdriver.html) seem > > to imply there's Linux support via a third party company (Xi Graphics). > > Not for the chips used in the notebooks, only for the PCI expansion cards > used for desktop models. There's no support whatsoever for the notebook > chips in either XFree86, MetroX or Accel-X, nor will there be any in > XFree86 due to NDA considerations. Hi, Old thread, but I thought I might raise it again now that the 560X is out. Was the comment about the NeoMagic chip speculation that they would change to it? The 560X as released so far is still SVGA and the technical specs they publish still mention the Trident chips. Any other experience? Too bad they haven't taken it to 1024x768 yet, but on the other hand the ability to run XFree86 is a even better bonus! Sean From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 20:05:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231975953; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:05:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29129; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:57:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28901; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28886; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from scriber.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231465811; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:03:31 -0500 Received: by scriber.ai.mit.edu id m0xfaYk-0000XAC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:03:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:03:30 -0500 (EST) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: chrisd@loc201.tandem.com Cc: liam@bbnplanet.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BD04C2.AD2324D0.chrisd@loc201.tandem.com> Subject: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.92, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From: Chris DiBona Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:51:19 -0800 I'm sure that neo-magic will be featured soon enough for free. Unlikely, unless neomagic changes their policy on releasing programming information. If the XFree86 programmers can't get that information, they can't do the port. And neomagic has stated that they consider that information proprietary. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 20:23:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235736990; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:23:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29984; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:14:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29735; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from unexexch.unex.ucla.edu (exchange.unex.ucla.edu [128.97.115.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29723; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by exchange.unex.ucla.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:12:37 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Swartz, Charles" To: "'chrisd@loc201.tandem.com'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: ThinkPad 560 questions Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:12:33 -0800 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've seen several postings about the Panasonic 4X CD-ROM PCMCIA slot problem but none about the newer 8X. I have the 8X and it works flawlessly in either slot. Charles S. Swartz Program Manager Department of Entertainment Studies and Performing Arts UCLA Extension 310-825-9634 Phone 310-206-7435 Fax cswartz@unex.ucla.edu 10995 Le Conte Ave., Room 437 Los Angeles, CA 90024 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris DiBona [SMTP:chrisd@loc201.tandem.com] > Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 12:19 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: ThinkPad 560 questions > > The worst part about all this is that notebook manufacturers > (last time I checked) didn't standardize which card goes where. > Some slot 0 is on top, some on bottom. And some desktop > adapter have more than 2 which breaks a ton of pcmcia cards. > This is against standards of course. > > Chris DiBona > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 12:46 AM > To: hzkd0@eng.amdahl.com; Randal Whittle > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: ThinkPad 560 questions > > >>3.1. How about connecting an external modem (regular PC modem) to > the > >> serial port? Any problems with this setup? > > > > Haven't done it, but the serial port supports 14550-type buffer > chip, so I > >don't foresee any problem in doing so. > > Actually, this doesn't sound like an existant chip. I think Randy > meant a 16550, > which I believe was invented by National Semiconducter. > > PK > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 22:59:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA262056364; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:59:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06254; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:48:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05992; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05979; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17588 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1997 03:56:39 -0000 Received: from beelzebub-32.tcg-max.enteract.com (207.229.150.32) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1997 03:56:39 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: tp-500@andrsn.stanford.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 510 and caching? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:56:20 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34921268.28434741@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got a Thinkpad 510 that's running slowly. I've noticed that when booting up, it doesn't display the message "caching enabled" like my 500 does. Playing with this setting in the BIOS doesn't seem to have any effect. Anyone have an idea what the problem could be? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 23:02:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA262756560; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:02:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06726; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:52:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06487; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06449; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.65.144.100]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAB19608 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:59:58 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: tp701 connection woes Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:03:00 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19971210035954.AAB19608@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone in the group come across problems loading ISP software. I've spent a great deal of time fiddling with the AT&T software the last couple of days. I keep getting an error message that say: "Unable to Establish PPP connection" " The connection program was unable to establish a reliable connection." I am using the built in modem with the standard windows dialer. Is this my machine or are they having problems with their lines/server? BTW; thanks for the tip Bruce on the Agrosy CD-ROM. I'll keep an eye out for it at the Dallas show this weekend. Has anyone else had any experiences they'd like to share about other units that interface through the PCMCIA slot such as Addonics, or Backpack? Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 23:04:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA263086661; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:04:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06955; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:53:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06593; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06577; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts12.loop.net (p12.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.147]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA14376; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:56:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712100356.TAA14376@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mdavis1@airmail.net" Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 19:38:02 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What is BBS Diskette 1? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:02:31 CST, Mark O. Davis wrote: >I'm trying to install version 4.2.4 of the C&T video drivers for OS/2 on my >used 701C. When I run setup.cmd, a box displays asking me to insert the >diskette with the label "BBS Diskette 1". I don't have any such diskette. >Where would I find it? Thanks. > Hmmm, I had a similiar problem. It instructs in the readme file somewhere to relabel the disk using the label command from an OS/2 command prompt. I had the same problem when I tried to install it before. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 23:06:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA263816799; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:06:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07296; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:55:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06801; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06760; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts12.loop.net (p12.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.147]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA14412; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:57:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712100357.TAA14412@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "rwking@ipa.net" Cc: "Thinkpad" Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 19:43:34 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: 701C w/ Outboard CD-ROM Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:43:11 -0600, Robert W. King wrote: >Hi Paul! > >> On my 701, IRQ 10 goes to the audio. You could've been conflicting with the >> audio. But that really is bad service on Panasonic's part. > >Speaking of IRQ's on the ThinkPad 701 -- Mine is presently configured as follows: > >IRQ map: > >1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard >2 Programmable interrupt controller >3 Panasonic KXLC002 (Panasonic 4X CD-ROM) >4 IBM ThinkPad 701 Internal Modem >5 LPT2 (Canon BubbleJet BJC-70 printer) >6 Standard Floppy Disk Controller >7 LPT1 (Logitech ScanMan PowerPage scanner) >8 System CMOS/real time clock >9 ESS588 AudioDrive >10 Xircom CE-IIps CreditCard Ethernet Adapter >11 theoretically available >12 Logitech PS/2 Port Mouse (Logitech TrackMan Marble trackball) >13 Numeric data processor >14 Standard IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller >15 theoretically available > >I'm running Windows 95 OSR2 from a 2.1 gig HD. I have applied the Flash BIOS upgrade from IBM. I have the Communications Port (conventionally COM2) and the IBM ThinkPad Infrared Port (COM2) disabled because they want to use IRQ 3. > >In this configuration, I have to plug my trackball into the PS/2 port. As a consequence, I am unable to use the middle button which is supported by the driver only when the trackball is accessed via a serial port. So I want to use the Communications Port (re-enabled and configured to COM2 via the CMOS setup) to access the trackball. That means the Panasonic CD-ROM would have to use a different IRQ. It's choices are 3,4,7,9 and 10. > >I could use IRQ 10 for the CD-ROM without conflict if I could relocate the Xircom network adapter. It's choices according to the manual are 3,4, 7,9,10, 11, and 15. If I could assign IRQ 11 or IRQ 15, I would be home free to configure the rest of the IRQ's the way I want. However, when I got to Control Panel/System Properties/Xircom CD-IIps CreditCard Ethernet Adapter/Resources and attempt to change the IRQ, I find that Windows 95 OSR2 limits my selection to 3, 4, 7, 9 or 10. Neither 11 or 15 are not offered as viable options. If I attempt to manually enter 11 or 15, Windows tells me that the setting is not valid for this device and automatically chooses IRQ 3 instead. > >Paul, can you (or anybody else reading this) tell me how to use IRQ 11 or 15 for the Xircom network card given this situation? My suspicion is that this is a Xircom driver related problem, but that being said what can I do about it? > Hmmm, I haven't even touched 95 except for interupting a screen saver in about 3 or so months. I know that in OS/2, you can map things like parallel or serial to different ports if supported, but I'm not sure about Windows 95, in the case of the Xircom adapter. For example, I have the Internal modem, COM2 on the multiport, and my Home & Away card, and the H&A is on IRQ 11, COM3. I do wish that the BIOS would allow you to remap the IRQ like that though. Have you tried also contacting Xircom yet? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 23:48:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271209303; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:48:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09368; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:38:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09233; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from vortex.uplanet.com (host-165-3.uplanet.com [204.163.165.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09208; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (ankle.uplanet.com [204.163.166.202]) by vortex.uplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA03414; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:47:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712100447.UAA03414@vortex.uplanet.com> From: "Jesse Montrose" To: "Jane Loyless" , Subject: RE: TP560, Zip drive and WinNT v4.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:48:11 -0800 Keywords: Indirect Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971209053724.009c4950@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2039.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My parallel version runs fine on my 560 and my old 755cs. ____________________________________________________________ The question of whether computers can think is exactly as interesting as whether submarines can swim. -- Edgar Dijkstra > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Loyless [SMTP:jloyless@netbox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 2:37 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: TP560, Zip drive and WinNT v4.0 > > > Help! Does anyone have a Zip drive running on a 560 (or any other model > TP) under NT40? SCSI or parallel? > > Thanks, > > Jane > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 23:49:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271399385; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:49:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09574; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:39:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09315; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu6.psi.com (uu6.psi.com [38.145.155.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09295; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from designcraft.com by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA29330 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 9 Dec 97 23:47:49 -0500 Received: from dyn-max15-81.chicago.il.ameritech.net by dccomm.designcraft.com id aa01456; 9 Dec 97 22:43 CST Received: by dyn-max15-81.chicago.il.ameritech.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD04F4.2A0D7BE0@dyn-max15-81.chicago.il.ameritech.net>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:45:36 -0600 Message-Id: <01BD04F4.2A0D7BE0@dyn-max15-81.chicago.il.ameritech.net> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "'rwking@ipa.net'" Cc: Thinkpad Subject: RE: 701C w/ Outboard CD-ROM Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:45:34 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Paul, can you (or anybody else reading this) tell me how to use IRQ 11 = or >15 for the Xircom network card given this situation? My suspicion is = that >this is a Xircom driver related problem, but that being said what = can I do >about it? >Robert W. King Move the Audio to 10 (or 11 or 15), the Xircom to 9, the CD to 11 or 15. = This frees 3 for the comm port. You may need to temporarily disable = some of these to shuffle them around. BTW when will Intel add more = IRQs? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 9 23:55:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272639742; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:55:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10100; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:46:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10003; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from vortex.uplanet.com (host-165-3.uplanet.com [204.163.165.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09989; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (ankle.uplanet.com [204.163.166.202]) by vortex.uplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA03625; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:54:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712100454.UAA03625@vortex.uplanet.com> From: "Jesse Montrose" To: "Jane Loyless" , Subject: RE: TP560, Zip drive and WinNT v4.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:55:48 -0800 Keywords: Indirect Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971209053724.009c4950@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2039.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Have you looked here? http://www.iomega.com/support/software/winnt.html ____________________________________________________________ The question of whether computers can think is exactly as interesting as whether submarines can swim. -- Edgar Dijkstra > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Loyless [SMTP:jloyless@netbox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 2:37 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: TP560, Zip drive and WinNT v4.0 > > > Help! Does anyone have a Zip drive running on a 560 (or any other model > TP) under NT40? SCSI or parallel? > > Thanks, > > Jane > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 00:13:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275280823; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:13:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11103; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:02:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10980; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (peckham@netcom7.netcom.com [192.100.81.115]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10966; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id VAA25128; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:11:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:11:52 -0800 (PST) From: Peckham Engineering Sender: Peckham Engineering Reply-To: Peckham Engineering Subject: Re: tp701 connection woes To: Stanley Chen Cc: Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <19971210035954.AAB19608@infinia> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, don't know how much help this will be, but my I've got a 701c which runs well with a panasonic D740 4x cdrom drive using the supplied card. Its in the top slot, not sure if I've ever had it in the bottom slot. The one thing that stopped it from working was when the 32 bit drivers were enabled (I'm using W95). The internal modem did not work reliably at first, but has since I updated the sound card drivers. I've used a couple of services, using w95 hyperterminal and tcp stack. __________________ peckham@netcom.com On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Stanley Chen wrote: > Has anyone in the group come across problems loading ISP software. I've > an eye out for it at the Dallas show this weekend. Has anyone else had any > experiences they'd like to share about other units that interface through > the PCMCIA slot such as Addonics, or Backpack? > > Stanley K. Chen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 01:48:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288726505; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:48:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14122; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:36:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13992; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13974; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts12.loop.net (p12.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.147]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA28427; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:42:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712100642.WAA28427@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Aaron W. Brown" , "rwking@ipa.net" Cc: "Thinkpad" Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 22:36:48 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: 701C w/ Outboard CD-ROM Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:45:34 -0600, Aaron W. Brown wrote: > >>Paul, can you (or anybody else reading this) tell me how to use IRQ 11 or >15 for the Xircom network card given this situation? My suspicion is that >this is a Xircom driver related problem, but that being said what can I do >about it? > >>Robert W. King > >Move the Audio to 10 (or 11 or 15), the Xircom to 9, the CD to 11 or 15. This frees 3 for the comm port. You may need to temporarily disable some of these to shuffle them around. BTW when will Intel add more IRQs? > IF they add more. It would be a good idea, since I think you could get backwards compatibility, such as using 8 bit cards in 16 bit machines for example. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 03:44:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007193455; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:44:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18308; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:31:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18215; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (root@rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.33.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18203; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.96.1]) by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id JAA68954 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:42:58 +0100 (NFT) Received: from localhost by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de; (5.65/imdm-1.1b) id AA31594; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:44:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:44:20 +0100 (MET) From: Thorsten Jaekel To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Not enough Memory In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University Hospital Eppendorf / Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I run WfW 3.11 (and MS DOS 6.20) on a TP 750 with 20 MB RAM. I had 'not enough memory' problems, particularly with MS Word 6.0a before I installed Hurricane 2.0, but ever since everything works OK. Word and Windows have not crashed on my TP for over a year. AFAIK even the latest version of Hurricane (which is advertised for Win95) supports Win 3.x. Highly recommended!! Thorsten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 08:43:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039991417; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:43:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03012; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:25:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02803; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02791; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-112.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.112]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA60054; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:40:28 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971209203832.00a02e10@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 20:38:32 -0500 To: "Jesse Montrose" , From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: TP560, Zip drive and WinNT v4.0 In-Reply-To: <199712100454.UAA03625@vortex.uplanet.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971209053724.009c4950@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:55 PM 12/9/97 -0800, Jesse Montrose wrote: >Have you looked here? > >http://www.iomega.com/support/software/winnt.html > Thanks, yes, I had looked at the Iomega site and felt fairly certain that it would work with the 560X, but... This is for my VP and SVP, and I've never used a Zip drive - I wanted to hear from some of you guys that you had the combo working before I committed myself! Thanks for the info! Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 13:36:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088338965; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:36:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18854; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:00:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18269; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us (glyph.cnri.reston.va.us [132.151.1.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18250; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from klm@localhost) by glyph.cnri.reston.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20635; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:19:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:19:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712101819.NAA20635@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us> From: Ken Manheimer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Patrick West , Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: klm@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailer: VM / 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 09 Dec, Patrick West wrote: > BTW How much does it cost? > > On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: > > > Has anyone tried the IBM keyboard (full size) that has a trackpoint built > > into it? If so, how does it feel and etc. > > > > Bryan I've been using the full size IBM trackpoint keyboard i bought with my home PC for about a year now, and love it. I got it for around $120, direct from IBM. Expensive, and i could only find a version with clicky keys, when i prefer silent keys - but still worth it, i wouldn't do without it. I'm sort of a fanatic about keeping my hands in place on the keyboard when i'm working steadily at the computer, and find the trackpoint to be worlds ahead of anything else i've tried in that vein. The quality of the IBM keyboard seems quite good, though i still would prefer if the keys didn't click. I'm curious about the alternative trackpoint keyboards, like the adesso, but haven't tried any of them at any length. Anyone have any experience to speak of, with them? Ken Manheimer klm@python.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 15:15:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA112264956; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:15:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24346; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:28:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23563; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23545; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx21-25.teleport.com (ip-pdx21-25.teleport.com [206.163.125.154]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11145 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:48:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:48:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712101948.LAA11145@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Keyboard Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu CDW sells the keyboard w/TrackPoint for $130. Thanks for all the good reports.;) Bryan At 10:28 AM 12/9/97 -0800, you wrote: > >BTW How much does it cost? > >On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: > >> Has anyone tried the IBM keyboard (full size) that has a trackpoint built >> into it? If so, how does it feel and etc. >> >> Bryan >> > > >Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 >PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D >Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 16:10:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123698211; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:10:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28371; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:39:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27924; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27903; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86068-2>; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:59:11 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id VAA16874 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:57:38 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:04:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: haraldm@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu liam@bbnplanet.com wrote: > Old thread, but I thought I might raise it again now that the 560X > is out. Was the comment about the NeoMagic chip speculation > that they would change to it? The 560X as released so far is still > SVGA and the technical specs they publish still mention the Trident > chips. Any other experience? Too bad they haven't taken it to http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/thinkpad/358e_666.html says clearly Neomagic 2160... You can look at XIG's pages (www.xig.com) and look for the Laptop X server V4.1 (http://www.xig.com/products/lxdata.html) which supports these chips but at a price which... C'mon. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 16:34:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA129829654; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:34:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29800; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:00:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29457; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29430; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from shamrock (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21742 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:21:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971210161644.008e6100@clark.net> X-Sender: shin_hw@clark.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:16:48 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Henry Shin Subject: FS: 4 gig IBM slimline drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I don't like to post forsale note on the mailing list. But, I thought some of you might be interested in the drive. I have a new factory-sealed 4 gig IBM OEM slim drive for sale. The model number is DTCA-24090 and part number is 09J1195. It also has a manufacturing date of Sep-97. Like I wrote, it is in a factory-sealed bag and I will guarantee it against DOA. My asking price is $525. Thanks! Best regards, Henry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 16:52:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA134530765; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:52:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01542; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:25:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01342; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from siren.ipa.net (siren.ipa.net [205.218.170.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01328; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ironhand (pool-201.faye.ipa.net [206.27.222.201]) by siren.ipa.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA13081; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:44:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712102144.PAA13081@siren.ipa.net> Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: 701C w/ Outboard CD-ROM Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:44:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2039.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199712100357.TAA14412@ritchie.loop.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Paul! > >Speaking of IRQ's on the ThinkPad 701 --=20 [snip] > > Paul, can you (or anybody else reading this) tell me how to use IRQ = 11 or > > 15 for the Xircom network card given this situation? My suspicion is = that this=20 > > is a Xircom driver related problem, but that being said what can I = do about it? > > > Hmmm, I haven't even touched 95 except for interrupting > a screen saver in about 3 or so months. I know that in OS/2, you can > map things like parallel or serial to different ports if supported, = but > I'm not sure about Windows 95, in the case of the Xircom adapter. >=20 > For example, I have the Internal modem, COM2 on the multiport, > and my Home & Away card, and the H&A is on IRQ 11, COM3. >=20 > I do wish that the BIOS would allow you to remap the IRQ like that = though. >=20 > Have you tried also contacting Xircom yet? >=20 That does seem to be the only avenue left given the lack of viable = suggestions from this group. Wish me luck. Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086, InterNet: rwking@ipa.net http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 17:24:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142602695; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:24:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03247; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:56:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02931; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from preferred.com (preferred.com [205.138.52.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02909; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ppp55.sullivan.preferred.com [205.138.53.68]) by preferred.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA30622 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:18:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:18:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199712102218.RAA30622@preferred.com> X-Sender: jseabolt@preferred.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: James Seabolt Subject: Thinkpad 340 questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I'm new to this mailing list (sort of). I've got a Thinkpad 340. I found the computer really hard to use with Windows 3.11 . When I would upgrade to somthing like a PCMCIA modem, the driver wouldn't work. I was also having trouble connecting to my new service provider so I had to use Trumpets Winsock which I really hate. So it was time to upgrade to a new operating system. I admire you guys who are still using Windows 3.11, I found it hard to use in this day and age. Anyway, I installed Windows 95 from a set of floppies first to be sure my computer would handle it. I was told the computer would be really hard to use because it would be so slow (only 4 megs) . Boy was it! So I installed an 8 MEG upgrade card. This has helped tremendously. Although it is not as fast as my desktop I am wondering if I can speed it up a bit. Here's what I have upgraded it to (and other specs) as of now: 12 MEG Ram total 28.8 PCMCIA modem Windows 95 The hard drive is aparantly 120 MEG. Windows 95 is a hard drive hog so I have about 25 MEG to spare as of now. The microprocesser is a 25/50. This was explained to me but how to I know if I am running in 50 MHZ mode? Also has anyone had any luck using DriveSpace? One guy told me not to use it because he did and it screwed his Packard Bell desktop up. But another guy said if I compressed my hard drive it would speed the computer up and he has had good luck with it. I'm kind of weiry about using compression programs. Has Anybody had any luck using DriveSpace? Has Anybody had any problems using it? I would really like to avoid using it for fear it might mess something up but my hard drive is close to getting Maxed out. Is the small space left on the HD really slowing the computer down? Also how to I upgrade to 50 MHZ and how do I tell if I am running in 25 MHZ mode? Under performance my computer says : 80486 Also the battery is stone dead. Is there any harm of leaving it in there? I know charging a dead battery on a car will make it swell and leak. Is there any chance of this happening on my Thinkpad? I always use it when I am near a phone jack and electrical outlet so I really don't need a battery. Does IBM or anybody else make a "Dummy" battery which fits in place of the battery? For this reason I leave the computer upplugged when I am not using it. I tried charging it for 10 hours the other day and it still won't hold a charge. Thanks. James Seabolt -----> mailto:jseabolt@preferred.com Webpage: http://pages.preferred.com/~jseabolt United States 1980 FIAT 2000 Spider (injected) 1981 FIAT X 1/9 (Injected) 1994 JEEP Wrangler (2.5l ) 1976 Chevrolet Pickup (454 Big Block) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 17:33:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144703211; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:33:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03355; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:58:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03103; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail4.access.digex.net (mail4.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03081; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail4.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02798; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24022; Wed, 10 Dec 97 11:46:12 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA13865; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:45:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:45:57 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: "Swartz, Charles" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: ThinkPad 560 questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Swartz, Charles wrote: > I've seen several postings about the Panasonic 4X CD-ROM PCMCIA slot > problem but none about the newer 8X. I have the 8X and it works > flawlessly in either slot. The 8x doesn't work at all under Linux. I don't remember about OS/2. It's something screwy with the SCSI interface on the drive itself - I tried it with both the Panasonic (QLogic) card, and with an Adaptec 1460A card. Windows could see the drive, Linux couldn't. I settled for the 4x and have used it in either slot under linux. I don't recall doing the slot-swapping experiment under Windows, but I do know it works in the top slot. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 18:04:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA150815069; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:04:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05773; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:37:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05540; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05525; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA04319; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:57:34 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA28494; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:00:43 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712102300.NAA28494@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TP340] Re: Thinkpad 340 questions To: jseabolt@preferred.com (James Seabolt) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 13:00:42 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199712102218.RAA30622@preferred.com>; from "James Seabolt" at Dec 10, 97 5:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Jim, > So I installed an 8 MEG upgrade card. This has helped tremendously. Although > it is not as fast as my desktop I am wondering if I can speed it up a bit. Even 12 megs of memory is pretty small for W95 - it only really becomes usable at 16 megs, and pleasant at 24 megs. With your configuration, the main thing is to keep the number of simultaneously-running apps (including OS stuff) at a minimum. > The microprocesser is a 25/50. This was explained to me but how to I know if > I am running in 50 MHZ mode? Should be, unless you have power management on to conserve your (dead) battery. > Also has anyone had any luck using DriveSpace? Use the Drivespace version 3 that comes with Plus (or with the more recent OEM version of W95); the version of drivespace that came with the old W95 was less stable. For maximum safety, don't compress the whole drive - leave an uncompressed partition containing critical files (system, etc). Of course, with only 120 megs total this doesn't leave you much to compress! > Is the small space left on the HD really slowing the computer down? Could be - your virtual memory cache has probably shrunk to nearly zero. However, drivespace might not help here, since you're not really supposed to use a compressed partition for your VM cache. > Also the battery is stone dead. Is there any harm of leaving it in there? I > know charging a dead battery on a car will make it swell and leak. Different battery technology (nicad vs. lead acid), though you might eventually get some corrosion followed by leakage. I would check the battery every so often for damage. However, charging shouldn't have an effect. - DR From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 18:10:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151645431; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:10:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06135; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:42:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05939; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05861; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11075; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21252; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:03:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:03:00 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: James Seabolt Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 340 questions In-Reply-To: <199712102218.RAA30622@preferred.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, James Seabolt wrote: > Anyway, I installed Windows 95 from a set of floppies first to be sure my > computer would handle it. I was told the computer would be really hard to > use because it would be so slow (only 4 megs) . Boy was it! > specs) as of now: > > 12 MEG Ram total > 28.8 PCMCIA modem > Windows 95 James, When you install Win95 with only 4 meg it installs special versions of many win95 files. When you increase your memory you need to reinstall win95 to get the regular versions. Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 19:10:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161719028; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:10:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08470; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:41:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08259; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from orph02.phy.ornl.gov (orph02.phy.ornl.gov [134.167.20.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08241; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from atom08.phy.ornl.gov (atom08.phy.ornl.gov [128.219.20.225]) by orph02.phy.ornl.gov (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA14421 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:04:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199712110004.TAA14421@orph02.phy.ornl.gov> X-Sender: jonesn@orph02.phy.ornl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:00:52 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: nnj@ornl.gov (Nathan L. Jones) Subject: Trackpoint caps Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone know of a good source or two for TrackPoint caps? My 700C has a trackpoint II, but the peg inside looks like the III's. I'm suffering a blow-out on mine, and before I'd pay IBM $7.20 for one, I would make a mold and poor my own. (For that matter, is there a market?) Regards, Nathan Jones Nathan Jones - EN Tandem Facility Manager - jonesnl@ornl.gov Bldg. 5500 MS 6377 Phone(423)574-3104 FAX(423)574-1118 P.O. Box 2008, Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6377 Pager(423)873-9052 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 10 20:02:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169532145; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:02:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10582; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:34:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10397; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10377; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18113 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26426; Wed, 10 Dec 97 15:04:31 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA15656 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:04:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Keyboard In-Reply-To: <199712101948.LAA11145@mail1.teleport.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: > CDW sells the keyboard w/TrackPoint for $130. > > >On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: > > > >> Has anyone tried the IBM keyboard (full size) that has a trackpoint built > >> into it? If so, how does it feel and etc. I was at a computer store just last week and saw a box for a "natural" keyboard (left and right halves tilted to better fit your hands) with a trackpoint/joystick thing in the middle. I don't remember more since I wasn't interested in it at the time. Has anyone else seen it, know the price, and know if it's like a trackpoint (immobile) or like a joystick (wiggles around)? -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 01:22:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225671376; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:22:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22127; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:49:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21856; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21837; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts03.loop.net (p19.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.124]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA09336; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:12:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712110612.WAA09336@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "James Seabolt" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 22:07:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 340 questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:18:24 -0500, James Seabolt wrote: >Hello, I'm new to this mailing list (sort of). I've got a Thinkpad 340. I >found the computer really hard to use with Windows 3.11 . When I would >upgrade to somthing like a PCMCIA modem, the driver wouldn't work. I was >also having trouble connecting to my new service provider so I had to use >Trumpets Winsock which I really hate. So it was time to upgrade to a new >operating system. > Have you ever given thought to either OS/2 or Linux, both lean on HD space? >I admire you guys who are still using Windows 3.11, I found it hard to use >in this day and age. > >Anyway, I installed Windows 95 from a set of floppies first to be sure my >computer would handle it. I was told the computer would be really hard to >use because it would be so slow (only 4 megs) . Boy was it! > OS/2 and Linux would probably make better use of it, though. >So I installed an 8 MEG upgrade card. This has helped tremendously. Although >it is not as fast as my desktop I am wondering if I can speed it up a bit. > >Here's what I have upgraded it to (and other specs) as of now: > >12 MEG Ram total >28.8 PCMCIA modem >Windows 95 > >The hard drive is aparantly 120 MEG. Windows 95 is a hard drive hog so I >have about 25 MEG to spare as of now. > >The microprocesser is a 25/50. This was explained to me but how to I know if >I am running in 50 MHZ mode? > Have you checked the BIOS? >Also has anyone had any luck using DriveSpace? One guy told me not to use it >because he did and it screwed his Packard Bell desktop up. Well, Packard Bell computers are already screwed up as is though. t another guy >said if I compressed my hard drive it would speed the computer up and he has >had good luck with it. > >I'm kind of weiry about using compression programs. Has Anybody had any luck >using DriveSpace? Has Anybody had any problems using it? > >I would really like to avoid using it for fear it might mess something up >but my hard drive is close to getting Maxed out. > >Is the small space left on the HD really slowing the computer down? > Nah, just the operating system, and the slow clock speed, and no cache. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 01:28:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226231690; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:28:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22135; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:50:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21916; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21902; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00253; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA24596; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:18:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: "Nathan L. Jones" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint caps In-Reply-To: <199712110004.TAA14421@orph02.phy.ornl.gov> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Nathan L. Jones wrote: > Anyone know of a good source or two for TrackPoint caps? My 700C has a > trackpoint II, but the peg inside looks like the III's. I'm suffering a > blow-out on mine, and before I'd pay IBM $7.20 for one, I would make a mold > and poor my own. (For that matter, is there a market?) Hmmm, I believe that the minimun quanity is a package of 3 caps. That works out to $2.50 each. Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 01:56:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229823373; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:56:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23199; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:20:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23066; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach.videotron.net (bach.videotron.net [205.151.222.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23053; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Colombia.World (ppp105.117.mmtl.videotron.net [207.253.117.105]) by bach.videotron.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id BAA13095 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:47:42 -0500 (EST) From: "F. Rodriguez" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: IBM mouse II & port replicator for thinkpad Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:46:01 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd0600$728c35c0$6975fdcf@Colombia.World> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I went to a local IBM dealer and found out about a port replicator for my 365XD It seemed rather fragile and had a wrist rest, cost about $270 (canadian, which is about U$200). Also saw a very cute little IBM BLACK mouse for thinkpads. Anyone seen those around? The price was CAN$70 (about U$50!). Seems a little expensive to me but hey, dont we all want black stuff to match our babies? Comments, please! Later, Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 02:03:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232873835; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:03:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23712; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:32:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23538; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23516; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA06272; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:58:42 -1000 From: "David Ross" To: Cc: Subject: [TP560] Two CD questions Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:00:31 -1000 Message-Id: <01bd0602$788dc4a0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Now that I have a working CDROM player on my 560, a couple of questions arise: (1) Several docs on the IBM website refer to a CD software preload disk for the 560; does this actually exist? (I didn't get one with mine.) This would be extremely useful for crash recovery. (2) To use the CDROM under DOS I apparently need some DOS socket services; this drive (an IBM) apparently cannot talk directly to the controller (as can some). I know that there is a DOS PC Card director available from the IBM web site; is this sufficient? Alternately, can I use PCDOS 7.0 socket services on the W95 version of DOS? Thanks, David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 08:54:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004568465; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:54:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13729; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:15:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13499; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.texas.net (smtpuser@mail1.texas.net [207.207.0.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13486; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from Home.texas.net (tcnet01-41.sat.texas.net [209.99.49.41]) by mail1.texas.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA28643; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:48:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael J. Kutchins, A.A.E." To: "David Ross" , Cc: Subject: Re: [TP560] Two CD questions Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:47:05 -0600 Message-Id: <01bd063b$44813f00$293163d1@Home.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I may be getting into this conversation a bit late, but I hope my disastrous experience with the 560X recovery CD may help others. I now know that to use it successfully, you must have an "IBM" approved CD. If you don't have a unit that their software recognizes, even though it works in normal configuration, you may be in for an unpleasant surprise AFTER you reformat the hard drive. Neither my Addonics CD running off the parallel port nor a Quick-CD using the PCMCIA slot was recognized by the installation software which came with the recovery CD. Also others may know, but I didn't until yesterday, Thinkpads don't like IE 4.0. They think it caused my machine to crash and even after 3 hours or so with their tech support it appears that nothing short of rebuilding the drive from scratch will help. I'm glad I've 2 computers, one to use and the other to fix. Mike Kutchins San Antonio, TX -----Original Message----- From: David Ross To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 1:02 AM Subject: [TP560] Two CD questions >Now that I have a working CDROM player on my 560, a couple of questions >arise: > >(1) Several docs on the IBM website refer to a CD software preload disk for >the 560; does this actually exist? (I didn't get one with mine.) This would >be extremely useful for crash recovery. > >(2) To use the CDROM under DOS I apparently need some DOS socket services; >this drive (an IBM) apparently cannot talk directly to the controller (as can >some). >I know that there is a DOS PC Card director available from the IBM web site; >is >this sufficient? Alternately, can I use PCDOS 7.0 socket services on the W95 >version of DOS? > >Thanks, >David R. > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 09:14:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006959648; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:14:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14796; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:36:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14621; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14609; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from van-as-09a06.direct.ca [204.174.245.6] by edam.direct.ca with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xg9JM-0001pz-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:09:57 -0800 From: "Dayle Riddoch" To: "F. Rodriguez" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 06:11:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Dayle Riddoch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM mouse II & port replicator for thinkpad Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have the black mouse p/n 95F5443 and I love it. It is very light for travell but still works great! Saves on the trackpoint caps and fingers for those long mouse sessions. Dayle On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:46:01 -0500, F. Rodriguez wrote: >Hello, > > >I went to a local IBM dealer and found out about a port replicator for my >365XD >It seemed rather fragile and had a wrist rest, cost about $270 (canadian, >which is about U$200). > >Also saw a very cute little IBM BLACK mouse for thinkpads. Anyone seen those >around? The price was CAN$70 (about U$50!). Seems a little expensive to me >but hey, dont we all want black stuff to match our babies? > >Comments, please! > >Later, > >Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 >Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems >Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dayle Riddoch driddoch@direct.ca No spamming please! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 09:42:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012441335; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:42:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17551; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:59:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15980; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mc.net (root@mail.mc.net [206.138.8.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15964; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from atkearney.atkearney.com (atkearney.com [207.40.198.2]) by mail.mc.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA08029 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:33:21 -0600 (CST) Received: by USCHILG05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:33:08 -0600 Message-Id: <974DDF3992F8D0118BC8006097C4EEB60933C7@USCHILEX02> From: "Rice, Kevin" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:33:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubcribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 09:43:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012621381; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:43:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17744; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:00:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16054; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16031; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:00:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from earth (hseaman@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.8.6) id IAA09658; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:33:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:33:48 -0600 (CST) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Thorsten Jaekel Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Not enough Memory In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Thorsten Jaekel wrote: > I run WfW 3.11 (and MS DOS 6.20) on a TP 750 with 20 MB RAM. I had 'not > enough memory' problems, particularly with MS Word 6.0a before I installed > Hurricane 2.0, but ever since everything works OK. Word and Windows have > not crashed on my TP for over a year. AFAIK even the latest version of > Hurricane (which is advertised for Win95) supports Win 3.x. > Highly recommended!! As a latecomer, I am not aware of Hurricane. What is it? memory manager? cost? thanks harry seaman hseaman@execpc.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 10:00:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015682441; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:00:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19455; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:21:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19223; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19207; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:21:20 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 8625656A.005213A4 ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:56:29 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: nnj@ornl.gov Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <8625656A.0050E519.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:55:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Trackpoint caps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Nathan, The price of development, product quality, and materials aside, do you think you could even break even on marketing, packaging,shipping, support and labor. I think many folks who spent $$$$K on a laptop wont blink twice to periodically spend $ for some consumable items that are of known quality. I'd be leary of Cat's tounge bits flaking into my keyboard. Ya might even get sued if it damaged the keyboard and/or voided the warrantee. ;-( rich nnj@ornl.gov on 12/10/97 05:00:52 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: (bcc: Rich Chong/SHARE Inc) Subject: Trackpoint caps Anyone know of a good source or two for TrackPoint caps? My 700C has a trackpoint II, but the peg inside looks like the III's. I'm suffering a blow-out on mine, and before I'd pay IBM $7.20 for one, I would make a mold and poor my own. (For that matter, is there a market?) Regards, Nathan Jones Nathan Jones - EN Tandem Facility Manager - jonesnl@ornl.gov Bldg. 5500 MS 6377 Phone(423)574-3104 FAX(423)574-1118 P.O. Box 2008, Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6377 Pager(423)873-9052 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 10:41:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024724884; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:41:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22560; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:01:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22312; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21155; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:23:18 -0500 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD061E.276E0870@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:18:41 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD061E.276E0870@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Trackpoint caps Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:18:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi All, >The price of development, product quality, and materials aside, do you >think you could even break even on marketing, packaging,shipping, support >and labor. I think many folks who spent $$$$K on a laptop wont blink twice >to periodically spend $ for some consumable items that are of known >quality. I'd be leary of Cat's tounge bits flaking into my keyboard. Ya >might even get sued if it damaged the keyboard and/or voided the warrantee. The cat's tounge trackpoint cap I got from IBM's EasyServe started flaking after only a couple of weeks. I went back to a smooth one, but that got cruddy after two weeks, so now I'm constantly rejuvinating my original cat's tounges in an ultrasonic cleaner. Doesn't clean it all the way, but definitely better than nothing or rubbing it on a pant-leg... By the way, on the other thread: low amounts of free disk space definitely do slow down OSs a lot. Just from experience. It also makes defragging futile since there's no room to maneuver. Are the larger harddrives by toshiba, etc., also faster than the original IBM 340 or 540 MB HDs used in the 701s? axel From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 10:44:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA025205085; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:44:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22479; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:01:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22274; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22261; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.51] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.216) with smtp for id ; Thu, 11 Dec 97 09:35:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:35:52 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Audio port on 701c Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was looking at Ty Shrake's Warped Thinkpad page. He recommends setting the ESS 688 on the 701c to port 240 rather than port 220. This doesn't seem to be selectable in the setup program on my machine, but it seems to work just fine at the default port setting. Is there a way to set the port to a different address? Thanks. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 12/11/97, 09:35:48 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 11:14:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030726857; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:14:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24699; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:33:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24464; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24438; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10443; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:07:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl ([168.183.48.79]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10384; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:07:36 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971210230745.009d3270@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:07:45 -0500 To: "Michael J. Kutchins, A.A.E." From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: [TP560] Two CD questions Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01bd063b$44813f00$293163d1@Home.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:47 AM 12/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >I may be getting into this conversation a bit late, but I hope my disastrous >experience with the 560X recovery CD may help others. I now know that to >use it successfully, you must have an "IBM" approved CD. > It goes further than that - even the 4x CD-ROM from the earlier 560's won't work - it has to be the 8x or 20x that's sold for the 560x. My cow-orker was the one doing the eval on this unit, and he discovered that nasty fact when he tried to restore the pre-load prior to shipping it back. He's been giving everyone he can get hold of at IBM an earful of how stupid that is. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 11:19:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031847167; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:19:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25248; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:40:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24961; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24913; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24339; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA01925; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:15:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:15:12 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: "Michael J. Kutchins, A.A.E." Cc: David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Two CD questions In-Reply-To: <01bd063b$44813f00$293163d1@Home.texas.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Michael J. Kutchins, A.A.E. wrote: > Also others may know, but I didn't until yesterday, Thinkpads don't like IE > 4.0. They think it caused my machine to crash and even after 3 hours or so > with their tech support it appears that nothing short of rebuilding the > drive from scratch will help. The I.E. 4.0 problem is not a thinkpad problem. It is an IE problem. If you don't have the "correct" release of Win95 that it expects it can and does cause major problems. My ISP has sent a warning to all users. I didn't pay much attention. Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 11:48:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA037028908; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:48:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27059; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:07:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26831; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26790; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from rocky-out.summa4.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: summa4.com [206.67.6.1]) id QQdtmg29754; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sherman.summa4.com by rocky-out.summa4.com via smtpd (for relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) with SMTP; 11 Dec 1997 16:42:30 UT Received: from summa4.com (root@hal.summa4.com [10.1.1.13]) by Summa4.COM (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA27067; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:43:05 -0500 (EST) Sender: root@Summa4.COM Message-Id: <34901815.29AF64C0@summa4.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:43:01 -0500 From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" Organization: Summa Four, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Axel Hartmann , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Trackpoint caps References: <01BD061E.276E0870@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Re: disk space. I got a big surprise the other day: I was working on someone's Toshiba notebook and, for reasons I won't go into, had to partition his drive into two, using Partition Magic. When I was done, I re-joined the partitions into one, exactly the same as the original, but, due to dropping the cluster size from 32 Kbytes to 4 Kbytes, he recovered, on a 1.3 Gb. drive (FAT-32), 200 MEGABYTES. I was suitably impressed. Yes, that will make access of larger files slightly slower, and no, it won't have that big an impact if you have mostly large-ish files, but 200 Mb for "free" is something I won't toss aside lightly. Ken Axel Hartmann wrote: > > Hi All, > > >The price of development, product quality, and materials aside, do you > >think you could even break even on marketing, packaging,shipping, support > >and labor. I think many folks who spent $$$$K on a laptop wont blink twice > >to periodically spend $ for some consumable items that are of known > >quality. I'd be leary of Cat's tounge bits flaking into my keyboard. Ya > >might even get sued if it damaged the keyboard and/or voided the warrantee. > > The cat's tounge trackpoint cap I got from IBM's EasyServe started flaking > after only a couple of weeks. I went back to a smooth one, but that got > cruddy after two weeks, so now I'm constantly rejuvinating my original > cat's tounges in an ultrasonic cleaner. Doesn't clean it all the way, but > definitely better than nothing or rubbing it on a pant-leg... > > By the way, on the other thread: low amounts of free disk space definitely > do slow down OSs a lot. Just from experience. It also makes defragging > futile since there's no room to maneuver. > Are the larger harddrives by toshiba, etc., also faster than the original IBM > 340 or 540 MB HDs used in the 701s? > > axel From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 13:32:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056845150; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:32:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03431; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:46:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02815; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail3.texas.net (mail3.texas.net [207.207.0.141]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02756; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Home.texas.net (tcnet01-15.sat.texas.net [209.99.49.15]) by mail3.texas.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16892; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:22:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael J. Kutchins, A.A.E." To: "Jane Loyless" Cc: Subject: Re: [TP560] Two CD questions Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:20:48 -0600 Message-Id: <01bd0661$815ea5e0$0f3163d1@Home.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To add insult to injury, the 8X, presumably lower cost PCMCIA CD is no longer available, causing major additional financial damage. MJK -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless To: Michael J. Kutchins, A.A.E. Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [TP560] Two CD questions >At 07:47 AM 12/11/97 -0600, you wrote: > >>I may be getting into this conversation a bit late, but I hope my disastrous >>experience with the 560X recovery CD may help others. I now know that to >>use it successfully, you must have an "IBM" approved CD. >> > >It goes further than that - even the 4x CD-ROM from the earlier 560's won't >work - it has to be the 8x or 20x that's sold for the 560x. My cow-orker >was the one doing the eval on this unit, and he discovered that nasty fact >when he tried to restore the pre-load prior to shipping it back. He's been >giving everyone he can get hold of at IBM an earful of how stupid that is. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 17:34:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA107569639; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:33:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17207; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:44:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16870; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.club-internet.fr (root@mail.club-internet.fr [194.158.96.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16838; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp-101-189.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.101.189]) by mail.club-internet.fr (Grolier/MGC-970630-No_Relay) with SMTP id XAA26437 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:22:46 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:24:19 +0200 To: "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: "SOUSSI" Importance: medium Priority: normal X-Mailer: IBM Internet Messaging Framework Message-Id: <881879059-0-yss@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <881879059-1-yss@club-internet.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubcrib From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 18:33:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119673214; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:33:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20025; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:49:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19792; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19777; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10464; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:27:31 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29169; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:30:41 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712112330.NAA29169@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] Two CD questions To: kutchins@texas.net (Michael J. Kutchins, A.A.E.) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 13:30:41 HST Cc: jloyless@netbox.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01bd0661$815ea5e0$0f3163d1@Home.texas.net>; from "Michael J. Kutchins, A.A.E." at Dec 11, 97 12:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > To add insult to injury, the 8X, presumably lower cost PCMCIA CD is no > longer available, causing major additional financial damage. Though perhaps it might start showing up at discounters now (I bought my 4x fairly inexpensively this way). I'm not terribly surprised to hear that the preload won't work on my unit; as I've posted here before, IBM seems to have the philosophy that any option, once superceded, is not worthy of further notice, and in fact should be expunged from discussion ASAP. Fortunately, they haven't applied this philosophy to the computers themselves. Yet. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 11 18:44:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA122543860; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:44:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20669; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:00:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20572; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20559; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10530; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:39:09 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29180; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:42:20 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712112342.NAA29180@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TPall] Re: Trackpoint caps (and mice) To: nnj@ornl.gov Pall]Re:Trackpoint cap (Nathan L. Jones) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 13:42:20 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199712110004.TAA14421@orph02.phy.ornl.gov>; from "Nathan L. Jones" at Dec 10, 97 7:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu w/r to the recent discussion of these caps, the latest Computer Shopper has a review of IBM's new mouse+trackpoint gadget; the reviewer dislikes the texture, and is grateful that it soon wears off! (I like it myself, but I am light-fingered on these things...) I saw this mouse at computer city last weekend, and while I covet it I am not willing to spend the $60; I paid about half this for my wonderful Colani mouse (unfortunately not available in the US anymore, though I've seen it or a clone in England sold as the 'Dolphin mouse'). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 12 03:33:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA212405627; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:33:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07904; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:33:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07723; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07708; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from p23.hwts02.loop.net (p23.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.98]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA23059; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:15:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712120815.AAA23059@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Axel Hartmann" Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 00:10:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Trackpoint caps Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >By the way, on the other thread: low amounts of free disk space definitely >do slow down OSs a lot. Just from experience. It also makes defragging >futile since there's no room to maneuver. >Are the larger harddrives by toshiba, etc., also faster than the original IBM >340 or 540 MB HDs used in the 701s? > One thing about defragging though, some file systems like HPFS and EXT2 are resistent to fragmentation, so that also can make a difference on performance, besides how much disk space is left. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 12 19:44:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091073848; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:44:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27329; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:30:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27032; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from boito.videotron.net (boito.videotron.net [205.151.222.85]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27012; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Colombia.World (ppp163.118.mmtl.videotron.net [207.253.118.163]) by boito.videotron.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA20434 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:29:37 -0500 (EST) From: "F. Rodriguez" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Setting parallel port to ECP on a 365XD Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:27:54 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd075d$f4536160$a376fdcf@Colombia.World> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I need to change settings for my parallel port. Do I have to go in the system config? If so, how? Iknow there is a key to press just after the password is aked (after I press ente rto validate the password my machine has). Byut what is the key sequence? I dont have my manual with me irght now. Tx for any input. I have a 365XD Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 12 21:54:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA112001647; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:54:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01424; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:49:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01251; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrout1.se.mediaone.net (duval.se.mediaone.net [24.129.0.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01235; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from MediaOne.pompano.net (surf89.pompano.net [24.129.28.89]) by mrout1.se.mediaone.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA05337 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:49:25 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Gene H. 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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD0747.D0A52C00-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 13 04:08:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201544094; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:08:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11422; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:01:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11164; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (pacs04.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11142; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-6.r14.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IR4112VGP29FTC23@InfoAve.Net> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:00:57 EST Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:51:14 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: 1.08 gig hard drive To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34924C82.6CAA@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all, I just got a Options for IBM 1.08 hard drive. The problem i have is that it would not boot to the C: drive. I get the error message telling me to reseat the boot device. First I flashed the BIOS with the provided disk and everything went O.K. THen I installed DOS 6.22 and everything went fine. But on restarting the machine (750c) It tells me to reseat the boot device. I checked it several times and the best I can tell is that its in. I put the old HD in and it works like a charm. I checked the BIOs settings and they show the boot sequence as a: c: ( as it should be). I did RTFM that came with the HD and it refers to the users manual for installing the HD (which I don't have) I have a tech manual and it gave no new clues. Anyone got suggestions??? Thanks Linn Skipper askipper@ftc-i.net P.S. If anyone wants a tech manual for the 340x, 355x, 360x, 370x, 700x, 701x, 720x, 750x, and 755x, i know a guy that has some more. Let me know and Will put you in touch with him. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 13 06:40:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218743247; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 06:40:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20312; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 06:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 06:36:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20130; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 06:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20117; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 06:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86093-1>; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:35:35 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id MAA00292 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:35:29 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:00:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Audio port on 701c To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: haraldm@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mark O. Davis (mdavis1@airmail.net) wrote: > I was looking at Ty Shrake's Warped Thinkpad page. He recommends setting the > ESS 688 on the 701c to port 240 rather than port 220. This doesn't seem to be This applies especially if you are using a Token Ring Auto 16/4 Credit Card adapter because this is a 0xa20 per default. > selectable in the setup program on my machine, but it seems to work just fine > at the default port setting. Is there a way to set the port to a different > address? Thanks. Depends on the operating system you are using. It's a picnic under Linux, and under Win95 too. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 13 12:42:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA264534967; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:42:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26941; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:38:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26708; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26696; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx23-20.teleport.com (ip-pdx13-07.teleport.com [206.163.124.136]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06461 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:37:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:37:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712131737.JAA06461@smtp3.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: 701 chargers and batteries etc. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all, Just bought a second 701C/720/16 but it has a dead nicad and the larger charger/ac supply which I hate. Has anyone looked into prices/availability on NiMH batteries and the ac adaptor/charger with the movable plug? A second question from a pal who says his 701C/24 meg finds the trackpoint arrow frozen when reopening the screen after having suspended (close lid). Mine doesn't do this ever...oh, he finds this while using Word 6 and Win 311. Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 13 12:50:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA265955453; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:50:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27116; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:40:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26893; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from megsinet.net (megspo.megsinet.net [208.150.39.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26838; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from randolphmax3-40.megsinet.net(really [208.133.79.40]) by megsinet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:40:17 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #3 built 1997-Aug-19) Received: by randolphmax3-40.megsinet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD07BC.2812AAC0@randolphmax3-40.megsinet.net>; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:42:14 -0600 Message-Id: <01BD07BC.2812AAC0@randolphmax3-40.megsinet.net> From: Dennis Pantazis To: "'Nathan L. Jones'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Cc: "'David Ross'" Subject: RE: Trackpoint caps Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:39:30 -0600 Encoding: 15 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have found that the Winbook caps work OK in the Trackpoint III's, though they are the gummy rubber kind. IBM charges like $5 for three, and will charge a flat rate on shipping, kinda dumb to spend like $7.50 for shipping! I bought a bunch (like 5 packs) and I rarely seem to change them, like once every 6 months. BTW: The new IBM Trackpoint mouse is nice. I like it better than the MS cl*t mouse. The Trackpoint III there however is a ROUND stud. So your Thinkpad caps won't work on it. Only one spare given with the $60 mouse, and the cap is violet...how pretty....as the mouse's stud and cap is a bit smaller than the Thinkpad's, I wonder if that will be the new incantation. Dennis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 13 16:23:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298318202; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:23:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01694; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:18:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01551; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01538; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from p27.hwts15.loop.net (p27.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.252]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA23002; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:17:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712132117.NAA23002@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 07:05:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPall] Re: Trackpoint caps (and mice) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >w/r to the recent discussion of these caps, the latest Computer Shopper >has a review of IBM's new mouse+trackpoint gadget; the reviewer dislikes >the texture, and is grateful that it soon wears off! (I like it myself, >but I am light-fingered on these things...) > >I saw this mouse at computer city last weekend, and while I covet >it I am not willing to spend the $60; I paid about half this for my >wonderful Colani mouse (unfortunately not available in the US anymore, >though I've seen it or a clone in England sold as the 'Dolphin mouse'). > So this is for an external trackpoint mouse? I could use something like that, if that's what you mean, since I don't have enough time to send in my 701 for repairs anyways. Thanks, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 13 17:43:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA013632994; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:43:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03474; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:39:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03347; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03312; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2071598230.bellatlantic.net (2071598230.bellatlantic.net [207.159.82.30]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id RAA04756 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:38:10 -0500 (EST) From: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net (Sir Gwynz) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Setting parallel port to ECP on a 365XD Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:39:15 GMT Message-Id: <3493382a.598809@core.iconnet.net> References: <01bd075d$f4536160$a376fdcf@Colombia.World> In-Reply-To: <01bd075d$f4536160$a376fdcf@Colombia.World> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:27:54 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello, > >I need to change settings for my parallel port. Do I have to go in the >system config? >If so, how? >Iknow there is a key to press just after the password is aked (after I = press >ente rto validate the password my machine has). Byut what is the key >sequence? I dont have my manual with me irght now. > >Tx for any input. I have a 365XD > > >Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 >Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems >Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org >=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- >Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org Exit to DOS and try ps2 par add 1 mod ecp. Type ps2 ? par for more information. Good luck! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 13 18:35:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA026656142; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:35:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04431; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:22:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04278; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04266; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA22812; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:20:10 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA02933; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:23:21 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712132323.NAA02933@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TPall] big outboard batteries (was: 701 chargers...) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 97 13:23:20 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bryan Daum's question about 701 batteries reminded me of something else that's been on my mind lately. A couple of companies (e.g., www.powerit.com) sell outboard batteries for laptops (i.e., batteries which can run your laptop for many hours). However, they are kind of pricey. In the VCR/camcorder world, there are several companies that make 12 volt power packs for camcorders at a decent price. For example, Bescor makes a pack that weights under 3 pounds, comes in a shoulder pack, has an auto cigar lighter output, and produces 3 amp hours at 12 volts for less that $40, and a 5.5 pounder with 7.2 amp hours for about $45. (Compare to the TP560 battery, which is 2.2 amp hours.) It seems to me it *should* be possible to hook one of these to the TP using the auto adapter, and get lots of extra time (perhaps some lost to inefficiency of the connection). So, my question is: Has anyone tried this? If not, can anyone who knows more about such things than I comment on the plan? BTW, I would just go ahead and try if I already had the auto adaptor for my TP, since the battery is so cheap, but I hate to buy the adaptor for the experiment. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 13 21:56:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA061178183; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:56:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08456; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:49:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08196; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08184; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts11.loop.net (p24.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.129]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA29344; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:43:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712140243.SAA29344@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 97 18:38:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPall] big outboard batteries (was: 701 chargers...) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Bryan Daum's question about 701 batteries reminded me of something else >that's been on my mind lately. A couple of companies (e.g., >www.powerit.com) sell outboard batteries for laptops (i.e., batteries >which can run your laptop for many hours). However, they are kind of >pricey. In the VCR/camcorder world, there are several companies that >make 12 volt power packs for camcorders at a decent price. For example, >Bescor makes a pack that weights under 3 pounds, comes in a shoulder >pack, has an auto cigar lighter output, and produces 3 amp hours at 12 >volts for less that $40, and a 5.5 pounder with 7.2 amp hours for about >$45. (Compare to the TP560 battery, which is 2.2 amp hours.) It seems >to me it *should* be possible to hook one of these to the TP using the >auto adapter, and get lots of extra time (perhaps some lost to >inefficiency of the connection). > >So, my question is: Has anyone tried this? If not, can anyone who knows >more about such things than I comment on the plan? BTW, I would just go >ahead and try if I already had the auto adaptor for my TP, since the >battery is so cheap, but I hate to buy the adaptor for the experiment. > Hmmm. Interesting idea David, but I suggest that you compare the Amps and voltage to that of the ThinkPad's adapter first. And also check the polarity. You can do this with a voltmeter or multimeter. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 01:12:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA093619975; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:12:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13065; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:07:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12873; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12856; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from zabriskie.eecs.berkeley.edu (slip129-37-40-224.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.40.224]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA377546 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 06:07:39 GMT Message-Id: <34931534.770F062C@zabriskie.eecs.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 00:07:33 +0100 From: James Peroulas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701: Resume on OSR2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My recent upgrade to OSR2 did not go as smoothly as I had hoped. All was fine with win95 OSR1 but the new version is causing some difficulties. Most prominently, I'm having difficulty resuming. It goes into suspend OK but sometimes (75%), it refuses to come out. The rightmost indicator light comes on, but the computer never revives and the only thing I can do is power cycle it. Thanks! James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 04:41:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA121832509; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:41:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19098; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:38:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18924; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18912; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA24615; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 23:36:05 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA04374; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 23:39:17 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712140939.XAA04374@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TPall] big outboard batteries (was: 701 chargers...) To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Sat, 13 Dec 97 23:39:17 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ross@math.hawaii.edu In-Reply-To: <199712140243.SAA29344@ritchie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Dec 13, 97 6:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Hmmm. Interesting idea David, but I suggest that you compare the Amps > and voltage to that of the ThinkPad's adapter first. And also check the polarity. > You can do this with a voltmeter or multimeter. Paul, I think you miss the point. I don't intend to plug the battery straight into the power jack on the laptop - this would certainly not work (since the TP wants 16 volts). My idea is to connect the external 12 volt battery to the TP through a TP automobile adapter. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 05:49:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128226543; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:49:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26307; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:46:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26156; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26144; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA24899; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 00:44:16 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA04635; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 00:47:29 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712141047.AAA04635@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: TP701: Resume on OSR2 To: jamesp@zabriskie.eecs.berkeley.edu (James Peroulas) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 0:47:29 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34931534.770F062C@zabriskie.eecs.berkeley.edu>; from "James Peroulas" at Dec 14, 97 12:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a common questin on alt.windows95. There's some thread which isn't shutting down properly when you go into suspend. The most common cause of this is running IE4, the second is not having the most current BIOS revision. Check to see which programs are running before you try to suspend, and eliminate them one by one until you don't have the problem. Two more suggestions: try to suspend from the start/suspend button instead of the TP hardware button (this does a better job of resolving W95 threads before suspension), and/or try to suspend from the DOS PS/2 program (which you probably wiped before installing W95, but should find and reinsall). BTW, before changing from 701 to my 560 I was running OSR2 w/no problem. - David > > My recent upgrade to OSR2 did not go as smoothly as I had hoped. All was > fine with win95 OSR1 but the new version is causing some difficulties. > Most prominently, I'm having difficulty resuming. > > It goes into suspend OK but sometimes (75%), it refuses to come out. The > rightmost indicator light comes on, but the computer never revives and > the only thing I can do is power cycle it. > > Thanks! > James > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 10:57:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA167025021; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:57:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00324; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:50:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29931; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach.videotron.net (bach.videotron.net [205.151.222.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29918; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Colombia.World (ppp030.207.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.207.30]) by bach.videotron.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA13640; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:45:29 -0500 (EST) From: "F. Rodriguez" To: "Sir Gwynz" , Subject: Re: Setting parallel port to ECP on a 365XD Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:43:46 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd08a7$1034d360$1ecf60cf@Colombia.World> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unfortunately I dont have any of the 365XD original software installed. I= ts been 3 times I reinstall Win95 (not OSR2) Does anyone remember the keystrokes to get to the BIOS setup? Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org -----Original Message----- From: Sir Gwynz To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: 13 d=E9cembre, 1997 17:40 Subject: Re: Setting parallel port to ECP on a 365XD On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:27:54 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello, > >I need to change settings for my parallel port. Do I have to go in the >system config? >If so, how? >Iknow there is a key to press just after the password is aked (after I press >ente rto validate the password my machine has). Byut what is the key >sequence? I dont have my manual with me irght now. > >Tx for any input. I have a 365XD > > >Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 >Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems >Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org >=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- >Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org Exit to DOS and try ps2 par add 1 mod ecp. Type ps2 ? par for more information. Good luck! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 11:08:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169205699; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:08:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00703; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:05:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00598; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net ([199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00586; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts1p92.port.net (usrts1p92.port.net [207.237.104.92]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08144 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:05:50 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: osr2 on 560? Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:05:49 -0500 Message-Id: <3495038b.17525455@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Should I install windows95 osr2 on my Thinkpad 560 - the 133mhz, 1 gb drive, model? The main purpose would be to reduce wasted disk space by using FAT32. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 16:16:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA207464179; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:16:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06879; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:12:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06716; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06704; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts08.loop.net (p11.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.26]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA20763; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:06:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712142106.NAA20763@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 09:00:54 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPall] big outboard batteries (was: 701 chargers...) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 13 Dec 97 23:39:17 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Hmmm. Interesting idea David, but I suggest that you compare the Amps >> and voltage to that of the ThinkPad's adapter first. And also check the polarity. >> You can do this with a voltmeter or multimeter. > >Paul, I think you miss the point. I don't intend to plug the battery >straight into the power jack on the laptop - this would certainly not >work (since the TP wants 16 volts). My idea is to connect the external 12 >volt battery to the TP through a TP automobile adapter. > Sorry, I apoligize for not throughly understanding. Okay, I suppose you might be able to try it, but I don't know how long the battery will last, though, since I'd imagine that the ThinkPad needs a fair amount of power, since it might also need to recharge the battery as well. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 16:55:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214306549; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:55:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08244; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:50:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08103; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from venera.isi.edu (venera.isi.edu [128.9.176.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08082; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigor.isi.edu (vigor.isi.edu [128.9.208.174]) by venera.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03493; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:50:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:49:37 GMT Posted-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:49:37 GMT Message-Id: <199712142149.VAA28133@vigor.isi.edu> Received: by vigor.isi.edu (SMI-8.6/4.0.3-4) id ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:49:37 GMT From: Wei-Min Shen To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, shen@ISI.EDU Subject: Linux on Thinkpad 770? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear friends, Does anyone know if it has been done? If so, where could I find more information? (the latest info shows only 760). Thanks! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Wei-Min Shen http://www.isi.edu/~shen Research Assistant Professor in Computer Science Tel: (310)822-1511 Senior Research Scientist in Information Sciences Fax: (310)822-0751 ISI, University of Southern California shen@isi.edu 4676 Admiralty Way, Marina del Rey, CA 90292 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 17:26:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218458361; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:26:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09127; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:21:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08979; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08962; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA77770; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:20:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Dennis Pantazis Cc: "'Nathan L. Jones'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'David Ross'" Subject: RE: Trackpoint caps In-Reply-To: <01BD07BC.2812AAC0@randolphmax3-40.megsinet.net> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If you order from the Boulder Parts center there is no charge for shipping for regular delivery. On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Dennis Pantazis wrote: > IBM charges like $5 for three, and will charge a flat rate on shipping, > kinda dumb to spend like $7.50 for shipping! I bought a bunch (like 5 > packs) and I rarely seem to change them, like once every 6 months. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 18:57:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230813858; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:57:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12118; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:53:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11972; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from eye.rist.re.kr (eye.rist.re.kr [203.249.227.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11960; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bin@localhost) by eye.rist.re.kr (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00234; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:47:48 +0900 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:47:48 +0900 Message-Id: <199712142347.IAA00234@eye.rist.re.kr> From: mahn-soo choi Reply-To: mahn-soo choi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [APM] Two questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am running Linux 2.0.30 on ThinkPad 365XD (TFT display). Let me ask you two questions about APM on it. 1. When I do not use the computer for 2 minutes or so, the system goes to the suspend mode. The problem is that the time is too short. Can I extend the idle (?) time, or disable the very feature of APM? Please see my kernel configuration at the bottom of this message. 2. I installed apm-2.4 on my Linux box. The problem is that both apm and xapm report only discrete values of battery status; e.g. only 100%, 80%, and 10%, but not any other intermediate values. My wild guess /proc/apm is not updated properly. Did I do something wrong? Thanks in advance. --mahn-soo choi dept. of phys. pohang uvni. of sci. & tech. # /usr/src/linux/.config # # APM part CONFIG_APM=y # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y # CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set # CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK is not set # CONFIG_APM_POWER_OFF is not set From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 22:52:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA266397954; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:52:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17064; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:45:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16892; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16879; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA28389; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:43:06 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712150343.RAA28389@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TP560] Re: osr2 on 560 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 17:43:06 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3495038b.17525455@mail.interport.net>; from "richard" at Dec 14, 97 11:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Should I install windows95 osr2 on my Thinkpad 560 - the 133mhz, 1 gb drive, > model? The main purpose would be to reduce wasted disk space by using FAT32. This should be the version you already have on your 560. Right-click on the "My Computer" icon (or get "system properties" from the control panel", and look for the version number (i.e., 4.00.950 B) on the "general" tab. If the letter "B" is there, you have OSR2. FAT32 can be a cause of real problems. Better is to use the version of doublespace that comes with Plus and OSR2; it is quite stable, and not only eliminates cluster waste but also will compress (if you like). - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 23:00:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA267568452; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:00:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17491; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:57:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17394; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17372; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts1p186.port.net (usrts1p186.port.net [207.237.104.186]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04370; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:57:23 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: osr2 on 560 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:57:23 -0500 Message-Id: <349caa10.24940184@mail.interport.net> References: <199712150343.RAA28389@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <199712150343.RAA28389@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 14 Dec 97 17:43:06 HST, ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) wrote: >> Should I install windows95 osr2 on my Thinkpad 560 - the 133mhz, 1 gb drive, >> model? The main purpose would be to reduce wasted disk space by using FAT32. > >This should be the version you already have on your 560. Right-click on >the "My Computer" icon (or get "system properties" from the control >panel", and look for the version number (i.e., 4.00.950 B) on the >"general" tab. If the letter "B" is there, you have OSR2. I have 4.00.950a, the pre-OSR2 version of win95 >FAT32 can be a cause of real problems. Better is to use the version of >doublespace that comes with Plus and OSR2; it is quite stable, and not >only eliminates cluster waste but also will compress (if you like). sounds like the safer course is to delete some unneeded files and partition the drive. i have a certain fear of doublespace, even without compression. is this irrational? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 14 23:55:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275491719; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:55:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19091; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:51:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18981; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18968; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:51:03 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 8625656E.001AAB3F ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:51:17 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: pkhoury@loop.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <8625656E.001A3D53.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:50:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [TPall] Re: Trackpoint caps (and mice) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It looks like a trackpoint, but it just gives a 2D scrollbar effect, and a few other features to W95 environments. No other drivers (e.g. no OS/2, no Win3.x) are included. Rich Chong >w/r to the recent discussion of these caps, the latest Computer Shopper >has a review of IBM's new mouse+trackpoint gadget; the reviewer dislikes >the texture, and is grateful that it soon wears off! (I like it myself, >but I am light-fingered on these things...) > >I saw this mouse at computer city last weekend, and while I covet >it I am not willing to spend the $60; I paid about half this for my >wonderful Colani mouse (unfortunately not available in the US anymore, >though I've seen it or a clone in England sold as the 'Dolphin mouse'). > So this is for an external trackpoint mouse? I could use something like that, if that's what you mean, since I don't have enough time to send in my 701 for repairs anyways. Thanks, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 00:06:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276792381; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:06:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19647; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:58:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19404; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19390; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p15.hwts03.loop.net (p15.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA21287; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:55:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712150455.UAA21287@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "richard" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 20:46:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: osr2 on 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:57:23 -0500, richard wrote: >On Sun, 14 Dec 97 17:43:06 HST, ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) wrote: > >>> Should I install windows95 osr2 on my Thinkpad 560 - the 133mhz, 1 gb drive, >>> model? The main purpose would be to reduce wasted disk space by using FAT32. >> >>This should be the version you already have on your 560. Right-click on >>the "My Computer" icon (or get "system properties" from the control >>panel", and look for the version number (i.e., 4.00.950 B) on the >>"general" tab. If the letter "B" is there, you have OSR2. > >I have 4.00.950a, the pre-OSR2 version of win95 > >>FAT32 can be a cause of real problems. Better is to use the version of >>doublespace that comes with Plus and OSR2; it is quite stable, and not >>only eliminates cluster waste but also will compress (if you like). > >sounds like the safer course is to delete some unneeded files and partition the >drive. i have a certain fear of doublespace, even without compression. is this >irrational? > If you're really worried about fragmentation and cluster size, you might consider OS/2, or Linux, with the HPFS and EXT2 file systems, respectively. And I think NT has controllable cluster size, too. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 00:35:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA281674131; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:35:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21407; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:27:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21308; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from nemesis.cyberdrive.net (nemesis.cyberdrive.net [207.25.206.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21293; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.cyberdrive.net (clv-shv5-36.cyberdrive.net [207.206.54.105]) by nemesis.cyberdrive.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13566 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:27:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199712150527.AAA13566@nemesis.cyberdrive.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Sandra Rozhon" Organization: Festival To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:25:58 -0500 Subject: Modem problem on 365XD Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <349caa10.24940184@mail.interport.net> References: <199712150343.RAA28389@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 365XD with a PCMCIA Zoom 38.8 modem and have lately encountered a problem trying to go online with it. Everytime I try to dial out, it tells me that another program is using the dial-up connection and then aborts. I made certain absolutely nothing else is running and even checked but hitting ALT-CTRL-DEL to bring up the window that lets you end any running tasks. This one is really baffling. Nothing I do makes this message go away and I can't connect to the Internet or even to a local BBS because the modem thinks it's already in use. Anyone have any idea what might be causing this? Sandy From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 01:47:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA290608443; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:47:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23480; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:43:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23255; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (pacs04.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23243; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-148.r11.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IR6ORP2FSG9G3G3M@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:42:10 EST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:32:24 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: Modem Problem To: srozhon@cyberdrive.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <3494CEF8.4F1E@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sandy, I had that problem on my desktop before, What happened was that I was trying something different on a com port and somehow the port (com2) that I used for my modem was taken out. I reinstalled the port (win95) and everything is working as before. I know that the PCMCIA is different but you might try and check the basic foundation for com ports and PCMCIA slots. THat might be the problem. It took me a half a day and a new modem (thought my other was toasted somehow) to find the problem. Let me know if this works.... Linn From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 03:48:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA008105728; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 03:48:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26786; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 03:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 03:45:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26657; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 03:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26645; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 03:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86021-1>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:45:23 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id JAA11251 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:45:19 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:16:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Linux on Thinkpad 770? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: haraldm@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Wei-Min Shen (shen@ISI.EDU) wrote: > > Does anyone know if it has been done? If so, where could I find more > information? (the latest info shows only 760). I don't think it can't be done. Problems normally turn out to be caused by the X11R6 configuration, namely by the graphics chip. In this case, IBM chose to use the Trident CYBER9397 (http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/thinkpad/5fb6_11da.html). Chances are that it would work with the existing SVGA server but YMMV. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 05:10:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018280616; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:10:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29334; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:06:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29207; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from parasite.irisa.fr (parasite.irisa.fr [131.254.12.47]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29193; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from parafoudre.irisa.fr (parafoudre.irisa.fr [131.254.12.44]) by parasite.irisa.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01580; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:04:53 +0100 (MET) To: mahn-soo choi Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [APM] Two questions References: <199712142347.IAA00234@eye.rist.re.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.95) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: David Mentre Date: 15 Dec 1997 11:04:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: mahn-soo choi's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:47:48 +0900" Message-Id: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu mahn-soo choi writes: [snip] > 1. When I do not use the computer for 2 minutes or so, > the system goes to the suspend mode. The problem is that the time > is too short. Can I extend the idle (?) time, or disable the very > feature of APM? Please see my kernel configuration at the bottom > of this message. I usually go in windows mode to set APM features with the ThinkPad utilities. It is not possible to do such a thing under Linux because IBM does not want to provide the specifications how to set the values of energy control (as far as I know). > 2. I installed apm-2.4 on my Linux box. The problem is that both apm > and xapm report only discrete values of battery status; e.g. only > 100%, 80%, and 10%, but not any other intermediate values. > My wild guess /proc/apm is not updated properly. > Did I do something wrong? Hmm. I think so. I think it is coming from the 365XD. Under window$95, the battery utility report the same discrete values (100%, 80% and 10%). I would guess that on low end laptops IBM does not provide all APM functionnalities. Hope it helps, d. -- David.Mentre@irisa.fr -- CAPS research team - Irisa - France Personal info: http://www.irisa.fr/prive/mentre/ Professional info: http://www.irisa.fr/caps/PEOPLE/David/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 05:32:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020081946; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:32:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06371; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:28:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06273; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from eye.rist.re.kr (eye.rist.re.kr [203.249.227.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06257; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bin@localhost) by eye.rist.re.kr (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01285; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:30:39 +0900 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:30:39 +0900 Message-Id: <199712151030.TAA01285@eye.rist.re.kr> From: mahn-soo choi Reply-To: mahn-soo choi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [APM] Two questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It seems evident that IBM was my wrong choice. (Sigh!!) Anyway, thanks a lot, David. David Mentre writes: >mahn-soo choi writes: > >[snip] >> 1. When I do not use the computer for 2 minutes or so, >> the system goes to the suspend mode. The problem is that the time >> is too short. Can I extend the idle (?) time, or disable the very >> feature of APM? Please see my kernel configuration at the bottom >> of this message. > I usually go in windows mode to set APM features with the ThinkPad >utilities. It is not possible to do such a thing under Linux because IBM >does not want to provide the specifications how to set the values of >energy control (as far as I know). > > 2. I installed apm-2.4 on my Linux box. The problem is that both apm > and xapm report only discrete values of battery status; e.g. only > 100%, 80%, and 10%, but not any other intermediate values. > My wild guess /proc/apm is not updated properly. > Did I do something wrong? > > Hmm. I think so. I think it is coming from the 365XD. Under window$95, >the battery utility report the same discrete values (100%, 80% and >10%). I would guess that on low end laptops IBM does not provide all APM >functionnalities. > >Hope it helps, > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 07:28:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030458883; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:28:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08453; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:25:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08314; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08301; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts1p166.port.net (usrts1p166.port.net [207.237.104.166]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA15666; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:24:56 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "David Ross" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: osr2 on 560 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:24:57 -0500 Message-Id: <349f207b.25432870@mail.interport.net> References: <199712150455.UAA21287@stevie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199712150455.UAA21287@stevie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 14 Dec 97 20:46:30 , "Paul Khoury" wrote: >If you're really worried about fragmentation and cluster size, you might consider >OS/2, or Linux, with the HPFS and EXT2 file systems, respectively. As far as I know, neither OS/2 nor Linux runs Microsoft Word 97 or a few other programs I need for work >And I think NT has controllable cluster size, too. I think you're right. NT seemed a more complex and unwieldy program which needs a lot of resources to operate. If memory serves, the supposed advantages are increased stability (this does not seem to be the case), security (which seems a proxy for "users have a hard time running unauthorized programs") and file system. Disadvantages include driver and power management support which is not as good as win95. Is this right? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 10:40:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA060180455; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:40:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15686; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:24:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15199; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15186; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00217; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05056; Mon, 15 Dec 97 10:24:28 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA10526; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:24:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:24:26 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Bryan Daum Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 chargers and batteries etc. In-Reply-To: <199712131737.JAA06461@smtp3.teleport.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: > > A second question from a pal who says his 701C/24 meg finds the trackpoint > arrow frozen when reopening the screen after having suspended (close lid). > Mine doesn't do this ever...oh, he finds this while using Word 6 and Win 311. Normally you'd think this is a mouse driver problem. But the 701 uses a hardware mouse - Windows only reports the mouse position to the video card, the card draws the mouse. So what could be happening is the graphic of the mouse is not being redrawn after a resume, even though the pointer is really there. Try "moving" the mouse around and clicking to bring up a menu or highlight something. I've often gotten past this problem in Win3.1 by slowly "moving" the mouse past a frame or something that changes the shape of the mouse pointer. This seems to refresh the mouse pointer graphic, making it visible again. Dunno if an updated video driver will help. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 14:40:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA174904814; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:40:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27486; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:34:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27269; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27250; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02318; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:32:03 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09118; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:35:17 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712151935.JAA09118@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Modem problem on 365XD To: srozhon@cyberdrive.net (Sandra Rozhon) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 9:35:16 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199712150527.AAA13566@nemesis.cyberdrive.net>; from "Sandra Rozhon" at Dec 15, 97 12:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > I have a 365XD with a PCMCIA Zoom 38.8 modem and have lately > encountered a problem trying to go online with it. Everytime I try > to dial out, it tells me that another program is using the dial-up > connection and then aborts. This is reported by DUN when the com port is locked, wither by another modem/device or by your specific modem. If you have a windows-only modem with some sort of initialization software, try rerunning the software before running DUN or your comms program. BTW, this happens to many modems when the machine is suspended between dialups. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 14:57:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183835832; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:57:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28481; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:53:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28336; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28323; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02391; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:40:43 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09141; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:43:57 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712151943.JAA09141@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: osr2 on 560 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 9:43:56 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <349caa10.24940184@mail.interport.net>; from "richard" at Dec 14, 97 10:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: > >FAT32 can be a cause of real problems. Better is to use the version of > >doublespace that comes with Plus and OSR2; it is quite stable, and not > >only eliminates cluster waste but also will compress (if you like). Richard replied: > sounds like the safer course is to delete some unneeded files and partition the > drive. i have a certain fear of doublespace, even without compression. is this > irrational? Yes and no; early versions of doublespace (like the one with OSR1, like you have) had some problems (though are still safer than FAT32). If you can get the later version (i.e., with Plus!, or the even later version off someone's OSR2 CD - it might even be available at the MS web site, though somehow I doubt it), this is quite stable. Still, it is a good idea not to compress the whole drive. What I do is create a 'virtual' compressed drive D, on which I put noncritical stuff (i.e., everything I need to boot, and all mission-critical files go on C, everything else [including Office 97] on D. Works very well - I had a very usable system even on my old 701, with a 340meg HD. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 15:19:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA194617182; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:19:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29765; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:10:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29574; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29552; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts1port48.port.net (ts1port48.port.net [207.38.248.48]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29211; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:10:00 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: osr2 on 560 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:09:51 -0500 Message-Id: <34ad8e4a.52015748@mail.interport.net> References: <199712151943.JAA09141@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <199712151943.JAA09141@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 15 Dec 97 9:43:56 HST, ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) wrote: >Yes and no; early versions of doublespace (like the one with OSR1, like you have) had some >problems (though are still safer than FAT32). If you can get the later version (i.e., >with Plus!, or the even later version off someone's OSR2 CD - it might even be available at >the MS web site, though somehow I doubt it), this is quite stable. Still, it is a good idea >not to compress the whole drive. What I do is create a 'virtual' compressed drive D, on which >I put noncritical stuff (i.e., everything I need to boot, and all mission-critical files >go on C, everything else [including Office 97] on D. Works very well - I had a very usable >system even on my old 701, with a 340meg HD. Any performance degradation or other adverse effects of using the latest version of doublespace? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 16:13:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221000438; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:13:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02700; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:10:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02447; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02422; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02993; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:08:01 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09205; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:11:14 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712152111.LAA09205@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Modem problem on 365XD To: Robert_Huber@watsonwyatt.com (Robert Huber) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 11:11:14 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000FE37F.1308@watsonwyatt.com>; from "Robert Huber" at Dec 15, 97 2:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > What is DUN? TIA! Dial-Up Networking. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 16:14:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221250473; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:14:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02630; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:08:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02319; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02303; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02970; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:06:26 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09194; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:09:39 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712152109.LAA09194@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: osr2 on 560 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 11:09:39 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34ad8e4a.52015748@mail.interport.net>; from "richard" at Dec 15, 97 3:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Any performance degradation or other adverse effects of using the latest version > of doublespace? Not noticeable with a fast processor. Remember that disk-access rates are the main bottleneck nowadays, especially on laptops; the fact that a compressed file takes less time to squirt through this bottleneck than the uncompressed version often more than makes up for the CPU load in decompression. I think there is some degradation on files which require lots of seeks (as opposed to sequential reads). BTW, it helps to defrag often, even when only 1 or 2% fragmentation is reported (1% of a gigabyte could be your whole app+data!). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 16:21:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224570916; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:21:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03551; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:18:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03233; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03216; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05240 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:19:21 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BD0975.9E0B0D70@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:22:20 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "jseabolt@preferred.com" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Cc: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: [TP340] Re: Thinkpad 340 questions Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:07:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 79 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 340 with 8 Mb total running w95. I am using the w95 "Plus" Drivespace 3 compression with no problems - it doesn't seem any slower... but it's pretty slow already. I would suggest keeping 20-30 Mb free for swapping at all times. I have Plus's System Agent set to perform housekeeping if it's idle for a hour: - thoroughly Scan drive - Compress files - defrag drive I also have a dead battery. But the computer's very convenient to use in bed. Good luck. Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse Co. *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >---------- >From: ross@math.hawaii.edu[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] >Sent: 1997 December 10 - Wednesday 08:00 >To: jseabolt@preferred.com >Cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU >Subject: [TP340] Re: Thinkpad 340 questions > >Hi Jim, > >> So I installed an 8 MEG upgrade card. This has helped tremendously. >>Although >> it is not as fast as my desktop I am wondering if I can speed it up a bit. > >Even 12 megs of memory is pretty small for W95 - it only really becomes >usable at >16 megs, and pleasant at 24 megs. With your configuration, the main thing is >to >keep the number of simultaneously-running apps (including OS stuff) at a >minimum. > >> The microprocesser is a 25/50. This was explained to me but how to I know >>if >> I am running in 50 MHZ mode? > >Should be, unless you have power management on to conserve your (dead) >battery. > >> Also has anyone had any luck using DriveSpace? > >Use the Drivespace version 3 that comes with Plus (or with the more recent >OEM >version of W95); the version of drivespace that came with the old W95 was >less stable. >For maximum safety, don't compress the whole drive - leave an uncompressed >partition containing critical files (system, etc). Of course, with only 120 >megs total >this doesn't leave you much to compress! > >> Is the small space left on the HD really slowing the computer down? > >Could be - your virtual memory cache has probably shrunk to nearly zero. >However, >drivespace might not help here, since you're not really supposed to use a >compressed >partition for your VM cache. > >> Also the battery is stone dead. Is there any harm of leaving it in there? I >> know charging a dead battery on a car will make it swell and leak. > >Different battery technology (nicad vs. lead acid), though you might >eventually >get some corrosion followed by leakage. I would check the battery every so >often >for damage. However, charging shouldn't have an effect. > >- DR > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 17:56:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA269946569; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:56:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06797; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:28:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06591; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06575; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from shin-hw.clark.net (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09589 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by shin-hw.clark.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD097E.BAB698A0@shin-hw.clark.net>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:27:33 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD097E.BAB698A0@shin-hw.clark.net> From: Henry Shin To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FS: 32 mb memory card for 755 and 750 series Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:18:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have several 32 mb memory cards for 755 and 750 series on sale. They = are brandnew and manufactured by Kingston. It comes with Kingston's = lifetime guarantee. My asking price is $165 + s/ins. Please email me in = private if you ar interested in the memory. Thanks! Best regards, Henry The memory fits the following models: IBM ThinkPad 755CDV=20 IBM ThinkPad 755CD=20 IBM ThinkPad 755CE=20 IBM ThinkPad 755CSE=20 IBM ThinkPad 755CV=20 IBM ThinkPad 755C DX4=20 IBM ThinkPad 755Cs DX4=20 IBM ThinkPad 755C DX2=20 IBM ThinkPad 755Cs DX2=20 IBM ThinkPad 750=20 IBM ThinkPad 750C=20 IBM ThinkPad 750Cs=20 IBM ThinkPad 750P=20 IBM ThinkPad 750Ce -----Original Message----- From: richard [SMTP:rpritz@interport.net] Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 3:10 PM To: David Ross Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: osr2 on 560 On Mon, 15 Dec 97 9:43:56 HST, ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) wrote: >Yes and no; early versions of doublespace (like the one with OSR1, like = you have) had some >problems (though are still safer than FAT32). If you can get the later = version (i.e., >with Plus!, or the even later version off someone's OSR2 CD - it might = even be available at >the MS web site, though somehow I doubt it), this is quite stable. = Still, it is a good idea >not to compress the whole drive. What I do is create a 'virtual' = compressed drive D, on which >I put noncritical stuff (i.e., everything I need to boot, and all = mission-critical files >go on C, everything else [including Office 97] on D. Works very well - = I had a very usable >system even on my old 701, with a 340meg HD. Any performance degradation or other adverse effects of using the latest = version of doublespace? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 22:22:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090662552; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:22:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16316; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:14:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16151; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from nemesis.cyberdrive.net (nemesis.cyberdrive.net [207.25.206.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16139; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.cyberdrive.net ([207.206.54.77]) by nemesis.cyberdrive.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA24960 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:14:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199712160314.WAA24960@nemesis.cyberdrive.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Sandra Rozhon" Organization: Festival To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:12:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Modem problem on 365XD Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199712151935.JAA09118@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> References: <199712150527.AAA13566@nemesis.cyberdrive.net>; from "Sandra Rozhon" at Dec 15, 97 12:25 am X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 15 Dec 97, David Ross penned the following: > > > > I have a 365XD with a PCMCIA Zoom 38.8 modem and have lately > > encountered a problem trying to go online with it. Everytime I try > > to dial out, it tells me that another program is using the dial-up > > connection and then aborts. > > This is reported by DUN when the com port is locked, wither by another > modem/device or by your specific modem. If you have a windows-only modem > with some sort of initialization software, try rerunning the software before > running DUN or your comms program. Thus my question....how do you get it to run properly? To my knowledge, the modem is not a windows-only modem and I've never had to run initialization software before. It WAS working until the last two times I turned on my laptop and then all of a sudden it acts like something else is using the modem. Could the modem have locked into some state that causes this? Sandy From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 15 23:13:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA111855594; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:13:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20863; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:01:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20618; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20517; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id WAA18268 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:01:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3495FD65.20F5@anet-dfw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:02:45 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 360PE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just received my 360PE in the mail today!! Yipee!! Now. Anybody out there have one of these? I don't know what some of the function keys are for as I don't have the documentation. Also, could somebody tell me how to enter the CMOS setup? Tried Ctrl+Alt+S, which works on Phoenix and/or some flavors of Award BIOS. Tried F10 which works on Compaqs and I seem to recall some PS/2s, but nothing happened. For those who might be interested, I took it all apart (down to the point that there wasn't a THING in the case) and thought I'd share what I found. I was hoping the DX2/66 CPU would be socketed so I could put an AMD 5x86 in it but no such luck. Here's what I didn't know and what I couldn't find on IBM's web page or from anybody on the web: 1. As stated, the CPU is surface mounted. I know that there IS an upgrade module for it (for $300! yowee!). Anybody have any experience with these upgrade modules? Does somebody actually resoulder a 5x86 CPU on the motherboard, or what? 2. The hard disk, floppy disk and battery are all accessible by lifting the keyboard at the front of the unit. Hard disk pulls straight out. I was worried that it was proprietary (meaning an expensive HD upgrade) but it turns out that IBM just used a proprietary cabinet and inside is a standard 2.5 " laptop hard disk. Cool. 3. This thing has the 8MB memory upgrade card and it's for the 700 series notebooks, so it looks like memory is interchangable between the two. 4. If you ever want to see the CPU in your 360PE have fun. It's about as burried in the system as it could possibly be. 5. Components: The following systems are simple, removable components, meaning if you had to replace it you could do it yourself (and it wouldn't require a new motherboard): PCMCIA units, floppy, hard disk, battery, CMOS battery (and some other kind of cmos battery, perhaps for the standby stuff?), AC --> DC converter unit, and sound unit. Everything else is on the system board. Well, that's everything I learned. Hopefully someone will benefit from me typing all of this...and maybe I'll get a couple answers too :) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 00:25:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144359930; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:25:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27203; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:20:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26862; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26838; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09449; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:18:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712160518.VAA09449@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "richard" Cc: "David Ross" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 21:09:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP560] Re: osr2 on 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:24:57 -0500, richard wrote: >On Sun, 14 Dec 97 20:46:30 , "Paul Khoury" wrote: > >>If you're really worried about fragmentation and cluster size, you might consider >>OS/2, or Linux, with the HPFS and EXT2 file systems, respectively. > >As far as I know, neither OS/2 nor Linux runs Microsoft Word 97 or a few other >programs I need for work > >>And I think NT has controllable cluster size, too. > >I think you're right. NT seemed a more complex and unwieldy program which needs >a lot of resources to operate. If memory serves, the supposed advantages are >increased stability (this does not seem to be the case), security (which seems a >proxy for "users have a hard time running unauthorized programs") and file >system. Disadvantages include driver and power management support which is not >as good as win95. > >Is this right? > > That sounds about right. If you need driver and power management, and controllable cluster size, consider Linux or OS/2. Both have those abilities, plus they are networkable, have been around for a LONG time (at least regular UNIX has!), and there is good APM support for both OS/2 since 2.1, and also Linux. There are also other good things about it, but I will explain later. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 00:27:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA145080021; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:27:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27674; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:23:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27400; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27279; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA22636; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:17:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712160517.VAA22636@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jseabolt@preferred.com" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" , "TROTTIER, Tom" Cc: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 21:13:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [TP340] Re: Thinkpad 340 questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I have a 340 with 8 Mb total running w95. I am using the w95 "Plus" >Drivespace 3 compression with no problems - it doesn't seem any >slower... but it's pretty slow already. >I would suggest keeping 20-30 Mb free for swapping at all times. I have >Plus's System Agent set to perform housekeeping if it's idle for a hour: > - thoroughly Scan drive > - Compress files > - defrag drive >I also have a dead battery. But the computer's very convenient to use in >bed. Have you tried reconditioning the battery? Does it give you any charge at all? Also, I understand what you mean about using the ThinkPad in bed. Aside from using it at school, that's the only place ever set it up here. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 00:30:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147110213; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:30:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28021; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:27:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27874; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27842; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA22816; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:22:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712160522.VAA22816@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Sandra Rozhon" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 21:17:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Modem problem on 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:12:40 -0500, Sandra Rozhon wrote: >On 15 Dec 97, David Ross penned the following: > >> > >> > I have a 365XD with a PCMCIA Zoom 38.8 modem and have lately >> > encountered a problem trying to go online with it. Everytime I try >> > to dial out, it tells me that another program is using the dial-up >> > connection and then aborts. >> >> This is reported by DUN when the com port is locked, wither by another >> modem/device or by your specific modem. If you have a windows-only modem >> with some sort of initialization software, try rerunning the software before >> running DUN or your comms program. > >Thus my question....how do you get it to run properly? To my >knowledge, the modem is not a windows-only modem and I've never had >to run initialization software before. It WAS working until the last >two times I turned on my laptop and then all of a sudden it acts like >something else is using the modem. Could the modem have locked into >some state that causes this? > Have you tried taking it out, and putting it back in again, or starting the system with it out, or other ideas like that? Or maybe it's not seated properly, though I highly doubt this. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 00:30:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147100213; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:30:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27457; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:21:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27020; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26991; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09701; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:20:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712160520.VAA09701@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bryan Daum" , "John Kim" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 21:11:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 chargers and batteries etc. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:24:26 -0500 (EST), John Kim wrote: >On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: >> >> A second question from a pal who says his 701C/24 meg finds the trackpoint >> arrow frozen when reopening the screen after having suspended (close lid). >> Mine doesn't do this ever...oh, he finds this while using Word 6 and Win 311. > >Normally you'd think this is a mouse driver problem. But the >701 uses a hardware mouse - Windows only reports the mouse >position to the video card, the card draws the mouse. In a ways, true, but technically it is a PS/2 mouse, which uses IRQ 12 for those who are curious. So what >could be happening is the graphic of the mouse is not being >redrawn after a resume, even though the pointer is really there. >Try "moving" the mouse around and clicking to bring up a menu or >highlight something. I've often gotten past this problem in >Win3.1 by slowly "moving" the mouse past a frame or something >that changes the shape of the mouse pointer. This seems to >refresh the mouse pointer graphic, making it visible again. > >Dunno if an updated video driver will help. That could also be a problem. Or try and backlog to where it wasn't a problem, and try to single it out that way. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 08:39:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056819585; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:39:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23240; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:31:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22999; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22987; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from socket.net ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id HAA06309 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:32:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3496849F.9421B83@socket.net> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:39:44 -0600 From: Lewis Mills X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 on a Dock II References: <01bd08a7$1034d360$1ecf60cf@Colombia.World> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Has anyone ever used this setup? I understand that there is an adapter of some sort necessary to do so. IBM wants $199 for the adapter, but I have heard that it is simply a plastic spacer. Is this correct? If so, would it be possible to fabricate it? I'm hoping someone who has actually seen one of these can tell me what it looks like. Thanks, Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 09:27:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075892465; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:27:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25716; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:25:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25641; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from premier1.premier1.net (root@premier1.premier1.net [204.157.151.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25626; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mitchbox (evt2-138.premier1.net [206.129.117.138]) by premier1.premier1.net (8.8.6/8.7) with SMTP id GAA27888 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:09:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <000d01bd0a2e$873ae840$1600000a@mitchbox> From: "Mitch Irvine" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:25:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD09EB.78386BD0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD09EB.78386BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD09EB.78386BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD09EB.78386BD0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 11:02:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117398174; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:02:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00113; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:55:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29478; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29449; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA59382 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:32:42 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BD0A11.B921BE00@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:59:47 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" Cc: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: [TP340] Re: Thinkpad 340 questions Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:53:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 47 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I understand that the 340 standard battery is lead-acid, so NiCad conditioning doesn't apply. I also have just read on the web that the 701 and the 340 charge in totally opposite situations. The 701 charges only when ON (or suspended, I think). The 340 changes only when OFF. (boy is that cheap...). (see http://www.nz.pc.ibm.com/support/91ee_1de2.html ) I guess that I'll have to turn the 340 off & see what happens... Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse Co. *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >---------- >From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] >Sent: 1997 December 15 - Monday 16:13 >To: jseabolt@preferred.com; ross@math.hawaii.edu; TROTTIER, Tom >Cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU >Subject: RE: [TP340] Re: Thinkpad 340 questions > >>I have a 340 with 8 Mb total running w95. I am using the w95 "Plus" >>Drivespace 3 compression with no problems - it doesn't seem any >>slower... but it's pretty slow already. >>I would suggest keeping 20-30 Mb free for swapping at all times. I have >>Plus's System Agent set to perform housekeeping if it's idle for a hour: >> - thoroughly Scan drive >> - Compress files >> - defrag drive >>I also have a dead battery. But the computer's very convenient to use in >>bed. > >Have you tried reconditioning the battery? Does it give you any >charge at all? > >Also, I understand what you mean about using the ThinkPad in bed. > >Aside from using it at school, that's the only place ever set it up here. > >Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 12:14:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA149432474; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:14:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03526; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:10:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03404; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03391; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id LAA26911 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:10:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3496B661.7A24@anet-dfw.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:12:01 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 360PE References: <199712160415.EAA16965@dogmead.dogmead.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for the quick feedback, Tim! -- and everyone else who responded thus far! I kind of gathered some of the functionality of the keys from the pictures, but what's the difference between standby, suspend and hibernate? Oh, and on my PE Fn+F5=volume up and Fn+F6=volume down. Also, I've tried "toggle battery meter" but didn't notice any difference. What does it do? Finally, F1 did the trick. Thanks! Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > These are just off the top of my head, reading them off my 760, but > I recall that these were the same on my 360Cs, and are pretty standard > throughout the Thinkpad line: > > Fn+F2: toggle battery meter > Fn+F3: enter "standby" mode > Fn+F4: enter suspend > Fn+F7: external monitor/LCD switch > Fn+F11: switch between power usage settings > Fn+F12: hibernate > > As I recall, Fn+F5 and Fn+F6 increase/decrease the volume. > Fn+PgUp/Fn+PgDown control volume when the unit is attached to a Dock 1. > > To enter the setup: hold down F1 when powering the unit on, and until > the "Easy Setup" screen appears. > > The memory is interchangable with the 750 and 755 lines. The processor > is a DX2/50. > > Hope this helps. > > tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 15:46:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA246955171; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:46:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14134; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:40:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13956; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu6.psi.com (uu6.psi.com [38.145.155.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13848; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from designcraft.com by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA13500 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 97 15:37:29 -0500 Received: from dyn-max15-7.chicago.il.ameritech.net by dccomm.designcraft.com id aa15377; 16 Dec 97 14:33 CST Received: by abtp1.designcraft.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD0A2F.B3D281A0@abtp1.designcraft.com>; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:34:23 -0600 Message-Id: <01BD0A2F.B3D281A0@abtp1.designcraft.com> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'Sandra Rozhon'" Subject: RE: Modem problem on 365XD Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:34:21 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 15 Dec 97, David Ross penned the following: > >=20 > > I have a 365XD with a PCMCIA Zoom 38.8 modem and have lately=20 > > encountered a problem trying to go online with it. Everytime I try=20 > > to dial out, it tells me that another program is using the dial-up=20 > > connection and then aborts. >=20 > This is reported by DUN when the com port is locked, wither by another > modem/device or by your specific modem. If you have a windows-only = modem > with some sort of initialization software, try rerunning the software = before > running DUN or your comms program. Sandra asked: >Thus my question....how do you get it to run properly? To my=20 >knowledge, the modem is not a windows-only modem and I've never had=20 >to run initialization software before. It WAS working until the last=20 >two times I turned on my laptop and then all of a sudden it acts like=20 >something else is using the modem. Could the modem have locked into=20 >some state that causes this? Sandra, Yes. I've seen this a lot on modems because the discovery of them is = tricky, and 95 checks for new ones on every boot of the OS. When it = "finds" one, you may not even notice. Try this procedure, specifically: Start--->Settings--->Control Panel---->System-->Device Manger-->Modems Verify your modem is there and only once. Sometimes discovery = dupliation causes two modems to appear here. If not goto step B. If there are two modems, (usually one has a red X through it), write = down the manufacture and model, delete them both and restart your = laptop. Win95 will usually discover just one now. Note: This also = happens when multiple, similiar versions of the same modem driver are = installed in \windows\inf. You should track this down, because it will = probably happen again. If restarting discovers nothing, search for new hardware, as in: Start-->Settings-->Control Panel-->Add New hardware. Still nothing, manually add modem by choosing the manufacture and = model you wrote down in step A. Step B: My Computer-->DialUpNetworking-->FailingConnectionName(right = click)-->Properties-->Configure modem This will verify your modem is properly associated with the (failing) = connection . It will also tell you which COM port the PCMCIA modem is = using. If your still stuck, maybe you should consider OS/2 or linux, they = handle modems in a more "traditional way" :) <----------thats a = smiley. Good luck, Aaron Brown. Open Eye Systems From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 19:24:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056928260; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:24:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23247; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:14:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23032; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrout2.se.mediaone.net (putnam.se.mediaone.net [24.129.0.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23019; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from MediaOne.pompano.net (surf156.pompano.net [24.129.28.156]) by mrout2.se.mediaone.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA21876 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:14:17 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Gene H. Tonn" From: "Gene H. 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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BD0A52.A42DC160-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 19:45:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067689512; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:45:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24379; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:43:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24281; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.elknet.net (mail.elknet.net [207.7.43.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24268; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from kresl.elknet.net (unverified [207.7.43.197]) by mail.elknet.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:47:06 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971216184255.00855100@elknet.net> X-Sender: kresl@elknet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:42:55 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Wm&Penny Kresl Subject: IBM PS/Note 425 BATTERY "NOT INSTALLED"? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My IBM PS/Note 425 (model (2618) laptop's BIOS SETUP informs me that the battery is "NOT INSTALLED", with NO option to change that setup. This happens with TWO new batteries. Laptop works OK off the power pack, but no green battery charge light. It appears that the battery is getting voltage and charging, but the laptop doesn't think so. Battery contacts appear clean, and no other problems with this unit. Thanks for any info! Bill From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 16 23:42:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA017683747; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:42:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01139; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:37:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00947; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00931; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from p13.hwts15.loop.net (p13.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA08824; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:31:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712170431.UAA08824@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mikew@anet-dfw.com" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 21:23:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 360PE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:02:45 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: >I just received my 360PE in the mail today!! Yipee!! > >Now. Anybody out there have one of these? I don't know what some of >the function keys are for as I don't have the documentation. > I remember quite a bit about my 355C, including EVERYTHING inside, so ask away! >Also, could somebody tell me how to enter the CMOS setup? Tried >Ctrl+Alt+S, which works on Phoenix and/or some flavors of Award BIOS. >Tried F10 which works on Compaqs and I seem to recall some PS/2s, but >nothing happened. > F1 when you boot. >For those who might be interested, I took it all apart (down to the >point that there wasn't a THING in the case) and thought I'd share what >I found. I was hoping the DX2/66 CPU would be socketed so I could put >an AMD 5x86 in it but no such luck. > That should be correct. I don't know of many notebooks with socketed CPUs, except maybe the 755 and the Kiwis. >Here's what I didn't know and what I couldn't find on IBM's web page or >from anybody on the web: > >1. As stated, the CPU is surface mounted. I know that there IS an >upgrade module for it (for $300! yowee!). Anybody have any experience >with these upgrade modules? Does somebody actually resoulder a 5x86 CPU >on the motherboard, or what? > Good luck. The clock speed is probably fixed, and it may not support it anyways. >2. The hard disk, floppy disk and battery are all accessible by lifting >the keyboard at the front of the unit. Hard disk pulls straight out. I >was worried that it was proprietary (meaning an expensive HD upgrade) >but it turns out that IBM just used a proprietary cabinet and inside is >a standard 2.5 " laptop hard disk. Cool. > Yup. I use a 340MB HD that someone sold me. It just came out of a 755, and works great. In fact, I have it on right next to me, since that machine has no case. >3. This thing has the 8MB memory upgrade card and it's for the 700 >series notebooks, so it looks like memory is interchangable between the >two. > Well, the memory comes in a PCMCIA-like form factort, but I have no idea if it's compatible or not. >4. If you ever want to see the CPU in your 360PE have fun. It's about >as burried in the system as it could possibly be. > Yeah, it's on the bottom, from the top, the left hand upper corner, then you turn it over, and it's there. There are a lot of screws to go through though, but thank goodness it's not as bad as the 701. UGH! >5. Components: The following systems are simple, removable components, >meaning if you had to replace it you could do it yourself (and it >wouldn't require a new motherboard): PCMCIA units, floppy, hard disk, >battery, CMOS battery (and some other kind of cmos battery, perhaps for >the standby stuff?), Yup. AC --> DC converter unit, and sound unit. Your's came with the sound card in it? Mine had that option, but came factory installed with a crappy 2400bps modem. It was a weird modem, though. >Everything else is on the system board. > >Well, that's everything I learned. Hopefully someone will benefit from >me typing all of this...and maybe I'll get a couple answers too :) > One question, though - do you have the original preload? Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 00:20:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA037976032; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:20:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02685; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:17:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02583; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02571; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p13.hwts15.loop.net (p13.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA14330; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:11:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712170511.VAA14330@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "TROTTIER, Tom" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 21:07:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [TP340] Re: Thinkpad 340 questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:53:53 -0500, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >I understand that the 340 standard battery is lead-acid, so NiCad >conditioning doesn't apply. >I also have just read on the web that the 701 and the 340 charge in >totally opposite situations. >The 701 charges only when ON (or suspended, I think) Both. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 00:26:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA040226363; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:26:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03082; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:22:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02999; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02964; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from p13.hwts15.loop.net (p13.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA14960; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712170517.VAA14960@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mikew@anet-dfw.com" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 21:11:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 360PE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:12:01 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: >Thanks for the quick feedback, Tim! -- and everyone else who responded >thus far! > >I kind of gathered some of the functionality of the keys from the >pictures, but what's the difference between standby, suspend and >hibernate? Oh, and on my PE Fn+F5=volume up and Fn+F6=volume down. > With standby, the machine is still on, but the processor speed is reduced, and the LCD shuts off. On suspend, the memory is backed up by battery, and the machine "sort of" powers down, only resumeable by the Fn key. On the 355 or 360, it should beep every time you suspend or resume from suspend or hibernation. With hibernation, the machine saves the RAM and Video RAM to a file on the HD, and powers off. When you power on again, the machine resumes to where you left off. From what I mentioned (in that order, that is), you resume the quickest, but conserve the least power. And again, that's in order of those mentioned. Hopefully this will give you a better understanding of the differences. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 00:42:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA047217320; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:42:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04481; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:37:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04412; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04400; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p13.hwts15.loop.net (p13.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA17232; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:31:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712170531.VAA17232@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Aaron W. Brown" , "Sandra Rozhon" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 21:27:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Modem problem on 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >If your still stuck, maybe you should consider OS/2 or linux, they handle modems in a more "traditional way" :) <----------thats a smiley. I agree with that. OS/2 might be easier to use, however, and if the modem supports it, you can give it any available IRQ for more COM ports and modems. For example, under OS/2 Warp 4 I can give my Home & Away modem IRQ 11 for COM3, which is something I doubt you can do under 95. And this "plug and play" has always been an inconvience for me anyways. One of the reasons I took 95 off my ThinkPad, anyways! Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 00:50:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA051147824; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:50:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04930; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:46:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04844; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach.videotron.net (bach.videotron.net [205.151.222.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04832; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Colombia.World (ppp247.245.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.245.247]) by bach.videotron.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA29843 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:45:29 -0500 (EST) From: "F. Rodriguez" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Unsubscribing Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:43:46 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd0aae$be3e8ec0$f7f560cf@Colombia.World> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can someone please post the instructions to unsubscribe? I hate receiving message on the list with "unsubscribe me" in the body... Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 08:47:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA252526420; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:47:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23587; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:43:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23383; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23370; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from socket.net ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id HAA01968 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:43:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3497D8CE.B2EF7A74@socket.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:51:10 -0600 From: Lewis Mills X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: [TP All] Floppy Drive References: <199712091843.MAA05586@siren.ipa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I just got an external floppy for a Thinkpad that does not fit a 701. It is marked "FDM03195301696" It does not have any other numbers. Anybody know which TP this fits? Thanks, Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 09:29:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA270268971; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:29:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25896; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:26:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25801; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mc.net (root@mail.mc.net [206.138.8.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25782; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from atkearney.atkearney.com (atkearney.com [207.40.198.2]) by mail.mc.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA11758 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:26:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from uschilg05.atkearney.com ([10.50.8.17]) by atkearney.atkearney.com via smtpd (for mail.mc.net [206.138.8.4]) with SMTP; 17 Dec 1997 14:33:33 UT Received: by USCHILG05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:26:30 -0600 Message-Id: <974DDF3992F8D0118BC8006097C4EEB60B844B@USCHILEX02> From: "Rice, Kevin" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:26:30 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe Kevin Rice Global Network Architect 312-223-7160 1-800-800-7759 Kevin_Rice@ATKearney.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 11:55:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA038597755; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:55:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04101; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:46:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03722; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from webster2.websteruniv.edu ([198.246.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03659; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from by webster2.websteruniv.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA28423; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:39:14 -0600 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 10:38:43 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd0aae$be3e8ec0$f7f560cf@Colombia.World> Subject: Unsubscribing To: MagicFab@BigFoot.Com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Item Subject: Message text > Can someone please post the instructions to unsubscribe? > I hate receiving message on the list with "unsubscribe me" in the body... > See the header of anything posted to the list for info. --Bruce ....................................................................... Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by webster2.websteruniv.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA24785; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:41:19 -0600 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04941; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:46:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04844; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach.videotron.net (bach.videotron.net [205.151.222.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04832; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Colombia.World (ppp247.245.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.245.247]) by bach.videotron.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA29843 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:45:29 -0500 (EST) From: "F. Rodriguez" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Unsubscribing Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:43:46 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd0aae$be3e8ec0$f7f560cf@Colombia.World> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 12:23:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA051499417; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:23:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06240; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:17:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06085; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from vader.dhs.com (vader.dhs.com [198.69.202.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06065; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from jim ([198.69.202.22]) by vader.dhs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15462; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:17:31 -0600 Message-Id: <34972C92.7DEE@cyberramp.net> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:36:18 -0600 From: Jim McGhee Reply-To: jmcghee@cyberramp.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Lewis Mills Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: [TP All] Floppy Drive References: <199712091843.MAA05586@siren.ipa.net> <3497D8CE.B2EF7A74@socket.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, If it has an attached cord (not using a connector) and the connector is about half as thick as the one for the 701 then it probably fits a TP365. If it is about the same thickness but a bit longer then it probably fits the 760 or the dock I or II. If it is either of these and you can't use it, I could. Jim Lewis Mills wrote: > > Hi, > I just got an external floppy for a Thinkpad that does not fit a 701. > It is marked "FDM03195301696" It does not have any other numbers. > Anybody know which TP this fits? > Thanks, > Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 15:44:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142961482; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:44:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15658; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:34:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15349; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15334; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86039-1>; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:33:39 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id VAA19431 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:33:21 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:28:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Linux on Thinkpad 770? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: haraldm@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Harald Milz (hm@seneca.muc.de) wrote: > > I don't think it can't be done. Problems normally turn out to > be caused by the X11R6 configuration, namely by the graphics > chip. In this case, IBM chose to use the Trident CYBER9397 > (http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/thinkpad/5fb6_11da.html). Chances > are that it would work with the existing SVGA server but YMMV. To f'up myself: The newest XSuSE Trident server supports the 9397. Haven't tried it myself, though. -> http://www.suse.de/XSuSE/XSuSE_E.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 15:50:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA146511811; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:50:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15989; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:40:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15800; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15788; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA05032; Wed, 17 Dec 97 15:40:22 EST Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <349838B6.EAFFDCA0@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:40:22 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Any X servers for Linux for the TP770? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just installed RedHat 5.0 on my new 770. Does anybody know of any X servers that work with the 770? Does XFree86 work? If so, does anyone have a work XF86Config file? The 770 uses the Trident CYBER 9397 chipset. Any idea if the 9385 support in XFree86 might work? I believe the 760X/XD uses the 9385. Anybody have a working XF86Config file for a 760X/XD? Thanks in advance! --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 21:19:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003661593; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:19:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27917; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:10:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27759; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27742; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts08.loop.net (p09.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.24]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA29882; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:04:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712180204.SAA29882@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "F. Rodriguez" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 16:43:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:43:46 -0500, F. Rodriguez wrote: >Can someone please post the instructions to unsubscribe? >I hate receiving message on the list with "unsubscribe me" in the body... > To unsubscribe, send a message to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu or thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In the body, simply type: unsubscribe your_email_address@your_isp.com You don't need a subject line. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 21:49:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018383343; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:49:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29458; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:44:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29280; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29258; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10633 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1997 02:44:42 -0000 Received: from belial-99.tcg-max.enteract.com (207.229.151.227) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1997 02:44:42 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:44:23 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34998dc6.13765640@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199712180204.SAA29882@ritchie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199712180204.SAA29882@ritchie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 17 Dec 97 16:43:45 , you wrote: >On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:43:46 -0500, F. Rodriguez wrote: > >>Can someone please post the instructions to unsubscribe? >>I hate receiving message on the list with "unsubscribe me" in the = body... >> > >To unsubscribe, send a message to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu > >or thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Actually, it's the latter that seems to be wasting bandwidth while not working. Should it *only* be thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 17 22:35:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039476124; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:35:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01806; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:32:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01667; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01335; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts04.loop.net (p05.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.140]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA02954; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:17:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712180317.TAA02954@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Lewis Mills" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 19:12:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP All] Floppy Drive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:51:10 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi, >I just got an external floppy for a Thinkpad that does not fit a 701. >It is marked "FDM03195301696" It does not have any other numbers. >Anybody know which TP this fits? >Thanks, >Lewis > A Teac floppy? What's inside the enclosure? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 18 12:35:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102166549; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:35:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02694; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:26:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02220; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from shaitan.eecs.umich.edu (strongtd@shaitan.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.8.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02203; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (strongtd@localhost) by shaitan.eecs.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA24535 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:23:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: shaitan.eecs.umich.edu: strongtd owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:23:17 -0500 (EST) From: Timothy Strong X-Sender: strongtd@shaitan.eecs.umich.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Toshiba HD in 755C In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am looking at a replacement hard drive for a 755C. I've heard alot about using Toshiba drives instead of IBM ones. What is involved? Is it a drop in replacement (I would have the caddie from my old 540MB to use)? Where can I get a caddie? Does the hard drive password still work with a Toshiba drive? Finally, someone said something about bridging or cutting pins on a Toshiba drive to get it to work. Is that necessary? I haven't bought the drive yet but I know a local store that has some used ones so I'm looking into it. Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 18 22:20:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028011656; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:20:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26133; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:17:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25840; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25826; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26617; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09706; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:17:33 -0800 (PST) Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:17:09 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, Maggie & Gregory Subject: Re: HELP! Thinkpad 256 colors In-Reply-To: <3496d1e7.7959575@news.concentric.net> Message-Id: References: <3496d1e7.7959575@news.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Maggie & Gregory wrote: > Help me please! I just got a great deal on a Thinkpad 360 CE but I > can't change the screen colors from 16 to 256. What can I > do?......THX Maggie > I've seen the answer somewhere before. I'll look in my notes and see if I can find it. But also inquire of the thinkpad mailing list. Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 18 22:35:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA034562511; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:35:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26806; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:32:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26676; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26663; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts10.loop.net (p11.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.86]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA29822; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:31:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712190331.TAA29822@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Maggie & Gregory" , "Patrick West" Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 19:32:19 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HELP! Thinkpad 256 colors Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:17:09 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: >On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Maggie & Gregory wrote: > >> Help me please! I just got a great deal on a Thinkpad 360 CE but I >> can't change the screen colors from 16 to 256. What can I >> do?......THX Maggie >> >I've seen the answer somewhere before. I'll look in my notes and see if I >can find it. >But also inquire of the thinkpad mailing list. > I should be using the Western Digital WD90C24 chipset, if my memory serves me right. But what is the operating system? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 00:02:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073577768; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:02:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29540; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:59:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29295; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.goldengate.net (root@main.goldengate.net [206.8.8.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29281; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:59:54 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.goldengate.net (isdn1-8-134.goldengate.net [206.8.8.134]) by main.goldengate.net (8.8.7/8.7.2) with SMTP id WAA06438 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:59:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712190459.WAA06438@main.goldengate.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 23:51:48 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpads X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.38 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! I'm back to lurk in this list again after a year or so away. I've got a tp750p with 20 meg ram and I just upgraded the 340 for a gig, I run OS/2 Warp 3. I use a dock I , Jazz drive and 8x Panisonic cd-rom with it as needed. I'm planning on a upgrade in the future and want to get up to date on witch models are witch and what works or don't work with what, ect. Also I'm looking for a scsi cable for the dock I, Anyone have a spare or know where to get one? Thank's a bunch! -- ----------------------------------------------------------- skunberg@goldengate.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 00:56:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA100231007; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:56:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01560; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:54:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01394; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01382; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 163 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1997 05:54:09 -0000 Received: from du227-253.ppp.algonet.se (HELO grm.se) (195.100.253.227) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 19 Dec 1997 05:54:09 -0000 Message-Id: <349A0CBF.D29C8689@grm.se> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:57:19 +0100 From: Kristian Madsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [sv] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: Maggie & Gregory Subject: Re: HELP! Thinkpad 256 colors References: <3496d1e7.7959575@news.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Patrick West skrev: > > On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Maggie & Gregory wrote: > > > Help me please! I just got a great deal on a Thinkpad 360 CE but I > > can't change the screen colors from 16 to 256. What can I > > do?......THX Maggie > > You have to install the IBM Vesa display dirver in order to get 256 colors in Windows(95). You can get it from the Thinkpad/support pages on www.ibm.com. The name of the file you want is version 1.33, I think. I can be reached on kgm@grm.se if you need further advice. -- Kristian Madsen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 06:39:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245541542; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:39:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16116; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:38:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:35:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15939; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15926; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:32:54 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xj0h9-000tj6A; Fri, 19 Dec 97 12:34 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:25:33 +0100 Message-Id: <349a59ad.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 12:14:22 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Q: OS/2 Socket Services Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! A question about Socket Servives on OS/2 (Warp v4 on a TP760ED): On OS/2, there are 2 drivers for Socket Services: IBM2SS04.SYS is for R2-PCIC (whatever that means) IBM2SS14.SYS is for CardBus OS/2's online help tells me that "/s0=1" can be specified as a parameter in order to make the driver believe that there is only one socket to support. Same should be with "/s0=2 /IG0=2". I need this for my Xircom CreditCard Ethernet 10/100. It has a direct enabler and thus only works when it has its own slot without socket services. With /s0=1 specified, the Xircom in Socket 2 should not be touched by Socket Servies. However, it doesn't work here. I don't know exactly which of the two drivers needs the parameter, so I tried all 3 possibilities (IBM2SS04, IBM2SS14 or both) with a 3com 3c589d inserted in socket 2 (and my Adaptec 1460 in socket 1). I thought that the 3com won't work when I found the right choice. But it worked. In any case, "Plug and Play for PCMCIA" detected 2 sockets. So I replaced the 3com with the Xircom. With choice 1 (IBM2SS04), it stopped booting when loading the Xircom driver. Same with choice 2 (IBM2SS14) and 3. rem-ing out IBM2SS14 makes the Xircom work, but then the Adaptec driver fails to load. rem-ing out IBM2SS04 makes the Adaptec work, but not the Xircom. Now, is there any way to have a PnP Card in one Socket and a card with direct enabler in the other? This is the relevant part from my config.sys: -------------------------------------------------------------------- 88: BASEDEV=PCMCIA.SYS 95: rem Socket Services (R2-PCIC): 96: BASEDEV=IBM2SS04.SYS /s0=1 97: rem Socket Services (CardBus): 98: BASEDEV=IBM2SS14.SYS /s0=1 100: BASEDEV=AUTODRV2.SYS 102: DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\$ICPMOS2.SYS 134: CALL=E:\OS2\CMD.EXE /Q /C E:\MPTN\BIN\MPTSTART.CMD >NUL 135: RUN=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NBTCP.EXE 136: DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NETBEUI.OS2 137: DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\TCPBEUI.OS2 138: DEVICE=E:\IBMLAN\NETPROG\RDRHELP.200 139: IFS=E:\IBMLAN\NETPROG\NETWKSTA.200 /I:E:\IBMLAN /N 140: DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NETBIOS.OS2 142: DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\MACS\CE3NDIS.OS2 385: BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD 386: BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD /V -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments are welcome. I don't know what else I could try. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 06:45:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248291905; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:45:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16479; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:41:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16300; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (pacs04.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16286; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-12.r14.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IRCKDEEJH69GK00U@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:40:51 EST Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:31:07 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: Looking for Poertable or External CD To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <349A5AFB.1321@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings to All!!! I'm looking for a CD for my Thnkpad 750C. It can be either PCMCIA or LPT. Nothing real fast 2X or higher just to load sotware. Anyone got any ideas.... All help appreciated. Linn Skipper askipper@ftc-i.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 09:51:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA025823096; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:51:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21610; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:48:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21238; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21225; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.utk.edu by spot.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id JAA22336; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:48:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712191448.JAA22336@spot.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) Cc: "ThinkPad List" , moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:44:23 GMT." <34998dc6.13765640@smtp.enteract.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:48:25 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >To unsubscribe, send a message to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu > >or thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Actually, it's the latter that seems to be wasting bandwidth while > not working. Should it *only* be thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu? Yes, indeed. Please don't send administrative requests to the thinkpad@cs.utk.edu address. It tries to filter out subscribe/unsubscribe requests, but is not always successful. Send them to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, and they will be handled promptly. Keith From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 12:03:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084910980; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:03:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26025; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:01:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25900; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25880; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAB37158 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:37:59 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BD0C74.F6C8DB20@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:55:13 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: ThinkPad List , Maggie & Gregory Subject: RE: HELP! Thinkpad 256 colors Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:44:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 32 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If this is for windows 95, try changing the display to be 256-colour. Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse Co. *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >---------- >From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] >Sent: 1997 December 18 - Thursday 14:32 >To: ThinkPad List; Maggie & Gregory; Patrick West >Subject: Re: HELP! Thinkpad 256 colors > >On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:17:09 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: > >>On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Maggie & Gregory wrote: >> >>> Help me please! I just got a great deal on a Thinkpad 360 CE but I >>> can't change the screen colors from 16 to 256. What can I >>> do?......THX Maggie >>> >>I've seen the answer somewhere before. I'll look in my notes and see if I >>can find it. >>But also inquire of the thinkpad mailing list. >> >I should be using the Western Digital WD90C24 chipset, if my memory >serves me right. But what is the operating system? > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 12:39:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102133178; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:39:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28245; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:36:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28059; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from gemsgw.med.ge.com (gemsgw.med.ge.com [192.88.230.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28035; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from gemed.med.ge.com (gemed.med.ge.com [3.7.12.4]) by gemsgw.med.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA00092 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:32:55 -0600 Received: from ct.med.ge.com (ct [3.70.56.18]) by gemed.med.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA10798; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:35:38 -0600 Received: from narwhal by ct.med.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA23065; Fri, 19 Dec 97 11:35:37 CST Received: by narwhal (950413.SGI.8.6.12) id LAA23513; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:38:00 -0600 From: "Brian D. Nitz 5-xxxx" Message-Id: <9712191137.ZM23512@narwhal> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:37:56 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP701C] Hard Drive Upgrade? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 701C with A 360M HD. Unfortunatly Linux deserves a little more than the 100M I've partitianed for it so I'm considering upgrading the hard drive. I've seen some reasonably priced 2.5" drives (Specifically Maxtor's 251010 1.0G) and I'm wondering if these can be installed into the caddy. The connector on the caddy that makes contact with the inside of the TP701 isn't a standard IDE connector. (some of epbrowns helpful posts suggested that the caddy might be a PCMCIA-IDE adapter.) So I'm wondering if the other end of the flat Printed Circuit cable (inside the caddy) has an IDE connector that will work on any 12.5mm IDE hard drive. It's hard to imagine there is any room in there for a normal IDE connector. Has anyone successfully upgraded the hard drive? What brands/models work, do any of them come with caddys? Are blank HD caddys still available for this machine? (I'd rather not take this one apart.) Has anyone tried the Maxtor 251010 (12.7mm) hard drive? I appreciate any help you can provide on this subject. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 19:16:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA009786969; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:16:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17007; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:11:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16846; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16834; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:10:49 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD0C98.E52F8160@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:12:25 -0800 Message-Id: <01BD0C98.E52F8160@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Timothy Strong'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Toshiba HD in 755C Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:12:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For what it's worth ;-} > I have a bunch IBM Caddies > All used but OK. > Will fit any 750 ,755, 360 machine. > NOTE: don't fit in a 760 (well you can make them fit but....requires a lot of plastic trimming.) > Caddy by itself $39 US 3rd party caddies are over $50 and ugly ;-} > Disk by itself $39 US IBM 160/170 MB > Shipping is extra but shouldn't be much over $4 > Warrany ? Against DOA .... > ..peter.. > 604-222-7384 work and voice mail > vancouver CANADA ---------- From: Timothy Strong[SMTP:strongtd@umich.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 4:23 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Toshiba HD in 755C I am looking at a replacement hard drive for a 755C. I've heard alot about using Toshiba drives instead of IBM ones. What is involved? Is it a drop in replacement (I would have the caddie from my old 540MB to use)? Where can I get a caddie? Does the hard drive password still work with a Toshiba drive? Finally, someone said something about bridging or cutting pins on a Toshiba drive to get it to work. Is that necessary? I haven't bought the drive yet but I know a local store that has some used ones so I'm looking into it. Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 23:24:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA137811888; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:24:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22528; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:23:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22336; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from preferred.com (preferred.com [205.138.52.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22324; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from jseabolt (ppp19.sullivan.preferred.com [205.138.53.32]) by preferred.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA05767 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:22:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:22:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199712200422.XAA05767@preferred.com> X-Sender: jseabolt@preferred.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: James Seabolt Subject: Thinkpad 340 LCD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Tonight I had been using my Thinkpad 340. At one point I cut the computer off and when it booted up the display was black but not like the computer was turned off. It's really hard to describe. It had a tint to it but I couldn't see any objects or anything. It's as if you cut the brightness and contrast all the way down. I started fooling with the brightness and contrast adjustments but this had no effect on the LCD. After Windows 95 stopped booting I cut the computer off. Then I turned it back on. This time the LCD worked but there were these horizontal lines going up the screen. After 3 or 4 minutes the lines stopped and the screen looked normal. I'm curious, does this mean the monochrome display is going out? Or possibly the video driver? Could this just be a fluke or soemthing? What would cause this to happen? If the LCD is going out, on average how much does a new one cost? James Seabolt -----> mailto:jseabolt@preferred.com Webpage: http://pages.preferred.com/~jseabolt United States 1980 FIAT 2000 Spider (injected) 1981 FIAT X 1/9 (Injected) 1994 JEEP Wrangler (2.5l ) 1976 Chevrolet Pickup (454 Big Block) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 23:37:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA143362671; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:37:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22922; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:36:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22819; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22799; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from p27.hwts09.loop.net (p27.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.72]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA09996; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:35:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712200435.UAA09996@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "James Seabolt" Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 20:36:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 340 LCD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:22:48 -0500, James Seabolt wrote: >Tonight I had been using my Thinkpad 340. At one point I cut the computer >off and when it booted up the display was black but not like the computer >was turned off. It's really hard to describe. It had a tint to it but I >couldn't see any objects or anything. It's as if you cut the brightness and >contrast all the way down. > >I started fooling with the brightness and contrast adjustments but this had >no effect on the LCD. > >After Windows 95 stopped booting I cut the computer off. Then I turned it >back on. This time the LCD worked but there were these horizontal lines >going up the screen. After 3 or 4 minutes the lines stopped and the screen >looked normal. > >I'm curious, does this mean the monochrome display is going out? Or possibly >the video driver? Could this just be a fluke or soemthing? > >What would cause this to happen? If the LCD is going out, on average how >much does a new one cost? > Sounds like a cable connection problem. Sometimes my testbench LCD does that, which is a mono LCD connected to an ISA card. It happens when the cable is loose. On average, I'd say a mono LCD costs about $25-500, depending on where you get it, especially if you get it from overpriced IBM's stock. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 19 23:58:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152663926; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:58:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23709; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:57:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23615; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23603; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.54] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.229) with smtp for id ; Fri, 19 Dec 97 22:57:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:57:08 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Audio gone after suspend Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Running Warp 4 on a TP 701C. After I resume from a suspended state, audio is gone and will not come back after a warm reboot; off-on reset is required. I'm not sure, but I think this was not happening until I installed FP5. Perhaps I'll try reinstalling the sound drivers. Any other ideas? Thanks. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 12/19/97, 22:57:05 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 20 00:04:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA155594242; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:04:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24730; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:02:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24514; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24483; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from p28.hwts04.loop.net (p28.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.163]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA12239; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:01:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712200501.VAA12239@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "mdavis1@airmail.net" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 21:02:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Audio gone after suspend Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:57:08 CST, Mark O. Davis wrote: >Running Warp 4 on a TP 701C. After I resume from a suspended state, audio is >gone and will not come back after a warm reboot; off-on reset is required. I'm >not sure, but I think this was not happening until I installed FP5. Perhaps >I'll try reinstalling the sound drivers. Any other ideas? Thanks. > Yeah, just hibernate the machine, and start it up again. I also have Warp 4 w/FP 5 on my 701CS, and this problem comes up every so often. Regards, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 20 06:37:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA017747851; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:37:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08303; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:33:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08170; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08158; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86041-1>; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:33:06 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id MAA02695 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:32:43 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:36:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Any X servers for Linux for the TP770? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: haraldm@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Lee Hetherington (ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu) wrote: > I just installed RedHat 5.0 on my new 770. Does anybody know of any X > servers that work with the 770? Does XFree86 work? If so, does anyone > have a work XF86Config file? -> http://www.suse.de/XSuSE/XSuSE_E.html, as announced in c.o.l.announce just two days ago. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 20 14:39:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211916764; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:39:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15897; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:32:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15550; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15538; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.11] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.229) with smtp for id ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 13:32:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:32:39 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Audio gone after suspend Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Mark O. Davis" Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:57:08 CST  After I resume from a suspended state, audio is  gone and will not come back after a warm reboot; off-on reset is required. Update: Restoring the old driver did the trick. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 12/20/97, 13:32:29 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 20 18:55:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA026772116; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:55:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20013; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:53:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19839; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19827; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.5/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id XAA14561 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:53:40 GMT Message-Id: <349C5AED.2CB5@anet-dfw.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:55:25 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Heeeeeelppp! (360PE) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been diddling around with my 360PE and have hit another snag. I just bought a 40MB PCMCIA III hard disk (mainly because I've had no experience with PCMCIA and now wonder if I want to :) It's a Western Digital drive. It plugs into slot 2 (no other options). When I run EZPLAY (this is a PC DOS 7 system with PenDos) it identifies the card, but I think incorrectly. Here's what the first screen looks like: Socket Information No. Status Card Type Card Information 1 Empty 2 Ready Memory E: 3 Empty 4 Empty It looks like it thinks it's an SRAM card to me, but I don't know. When I enter the detail screen it says "Write Protect: Yes" Huh? If I try to F9/Init the drive it returns "Initialization error has occurred!". Any ideas on this? Should I also have some kind of driver for the drive itself? I'm just using the latest PCMCIA services disk I got from ibm.com. Oh, and I've already checked and it DOES have the most recent BIOS. Anybody out there got any suggestions? Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 20 19:06:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031952800; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:06:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20423; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:05:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20274; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20262; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from p23.hwts16.loop.net (p23.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.38]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA15014; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:59:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712202359.PAA15014@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mikew@anet-dfw.com" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 16:05:17 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Heeeeeelppp! (360PE) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:55:25 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: >I've been diddling around with my 360PE and have hit another snag. > >I just bought a 40MB PCMCIA III hard disk (mainly because I've had no >experience with PCMCIA and now wonder if I want to :) > >It's a Western Digital drive. It plugs into slot 2 (no other options). >When I run EZPLAY (this is a PC DOS 7 system with PenDos) it identifies >the card, but I think incorrectly. Here's what the first screen looks >like: > >Socket Information > >No. Status Card Type Card Information >1 Empty >2 Ready Memory E: >3 Empty >4 Empty > >It looks like it thinks it's an SRAM card to me, but I don't know. When >I enter the detail screen it says "Write Protect: Yes" Huh? If I try >to F9/Init the drive it returns "Initialization error has occurred!". > >Any ideas on this? Should I also have some kind of driver for the drive >itself? I'm just using the latest PCMCIA services disk I got from >ibm.com. Oh, and I've already checked and it DOES have the most recent >BIOS. > >Anybody out there got any suggestions? > Yeah, if you can, take it back and get a refund. I called Western Digital because I was thinking of getting the same thing for my 701 to use with OS/2. They said it only works with Windows 3.1, and maybe DOS, and that they discontinued it because of it's various problems. Normally, PCMCIA isn't that hard to configure, and personally I find them easier than some ISA cards to configure, especially where I can give nonstandard I/O and IRQs, so they don't conflict. You might want to opt for a ZIP drive if you need large removable storage medium. Good luck! Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 21 03:11:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242161910; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:11:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28861; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:09:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28670; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (ns0.teleport.com [192.108.254.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28658; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29923; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA27770; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:09:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:09:45 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Mike Welch Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Heeeeeelppp! (360PE) In-Reply-To: <349C5AED.2CB5@anet-dfw.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mike, Reinstall card services from the \dos\pcm subdirectory or from the cd-rom. It will ask if you plan to use ata pcmcia tell it yes. ATA is the term for hard disks. On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Mike Welch wrote: > I've been diddling around with my 360PE and have hit another snag. > > I just bought a 40MB PCMCIA III hard disk (mainly because I've had no > experience with PCMCIA and now wonder if I want to :) > > It's a Western Digital drive. It plugs into slot 2 (no other options). > When I run EZPLAY (this is a PC DOS 7 system with PenDos) it identifies > the card, but I think incorrectly. Here's what the first screen looks > like: > > Socket Information > > No. Status Card Type Card Information > 1 Empty > 2 Ready Memory E: > 3 Empty > 4 Empty > > It looks like it thinks it's an SRAM card to me, but I don't know. When > I enter the detail screen it says "Write Protect: Yes" Huh? If I try > to F9/Init the drive it returns "Initialization error has occurred!". > > Any ideas on this? Should I also have some kind of driver for the drive > itself? I'm just using the latest PCMCIA services disk I got from > ibm.com. Oh, and I've already checked and it DOES have the most recent > BIOS. > > Anybody out there got any suggestions? > > Thanks! > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 21 21:02:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075396173; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:02:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02071; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:59:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01839; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01825; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dach.demon.co.uk ([194.222.61.229]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2026764; 22 Dec 97 1:51 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:51:28 -0000 Message-Id: <01BD0E7C.1E5D3380.chris@dach.demon.co.uk> From: Chris Alba To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP 760: FAT32 and Resume Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:51:16 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 9 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was told some time ago not to use FAT32 setting as this is not compatible with TP760 resume / suspend feature. Anyone confirm if this is true/false/fixed? Many thanks Chris chris@dach.demon.co.uk "Hindsight - a truly exact science..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 22 01:17:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA188951451; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:17:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07717; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:15:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07606; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07590; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from egiles (port22-quit.netpathway.com [208.137.139.37]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA30902 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:15:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199712220615.AAA30902@sammy.netpathway.com> From: "Eric Giles" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP 760: FAT32 and Resume Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:18:27 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Suspend/resume works fine on my 760ED with FAT32. Make sure that you have the latest BIOS revision for your machine, as this problem was fixed by an earlier revision this year. On another note, a company called Active Components has some decent prices on hard drives with caddies for Thinkpads. They have an IBM 19mm 1.2 GB drive in an aftermarket caddy for $189, and an IBM 12.5mm 1.08 GB drive in an IBM caddy for the 760 for $159. I ordered the 1.08 drive and it seems fine, although the IBM seal had been broken on the box. Other capacities and manufacturers are available. I don't have their web address with me at the moment, but their number is 1-719-477-1862. If anyone wants their web address then e-mail me and I will find it for you. Eric Giles ---------- > From: Chris Alba > To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' > Subject: TP 760: FAT32 and Resume > Date: Sunday, December 21, 1997 7:51 PM > > I was told some time ago not to use FAT32 setting as this is not compatible > with TP760 resume / suspend feature. Anyone confirm if this is > true/false/fixed? > Many thanks > Chris > chris@dach.demon.co.uk > > "Hindsight - a truly exact science..." > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 22 11:06:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135596785; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:06:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26135; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:03:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25875; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.goldengate.net (root@main.goldengate.net [206.8.8.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25863; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:03:37 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.goldengate.net (isdn1-8-125.goldengate.net [206.8.8.125]) by main.goldengate.net (8.8.7/8.7.2) with SMTP id KAA12581 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:03:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712221603.KAA12581@main.goldengate.net> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 11:01:33 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: scsi X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.38 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello All! A merry X-mas and a Happy New Year!!! I'm looking for the scsi cable to go into a dock 1 looking to add a scsi cd-rom and it seems to be a odd cable. Thank's in advance for the help!!! -- ----------------------------------------------------------- skunberg@goldengate.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 22 12:11:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA164580684; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:11:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28599; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28475; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from nemesis.cyberdrive.net (nemesis.cyberdrive.net [207.25.206.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28462; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.cyberdrive.net (clv-shv2-31.cyberdrive.net [207.25.201.100]) by nemesis.cyberdrive.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00490 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199712221709.MAA00490@nemesis.cyberdrive.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Sandra Rozhon" Organization: Festival To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:07:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Modem problem on 365XD Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199712160314.WAA24960@nemesis.cyberdrive.net> References: <199712151935.JAA09118@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 15 Dec 97, Sandra Rozhon penned the following: > > > I have a 365XD with a PCMCIA Zoom 38.8 modem and have lately > > > encountered a problem trying to go online with it. Everytime I try > > > to dial out, it tells me that another program is using the dial-up > > > connection and then aborts. Thought that those who replied to me might like to know the outcome of my problem with the modem. Seems that when I plugged the phone cord into a different outlet, the problem went away. Go figure. Sandy From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 22 12:14:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165580841; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:14:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28931; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:13:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28801; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nemesis.cyberdrive.net (nemesis.cyberdrive.net [207.25.206.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28659; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.cyberdrive.net (clv-shv2-31.cyberdrive.net [207.25.201.100]) by nemesis.cyberdrive.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00590 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:11:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199712221711.MAA00590@nemesis.cyberdrive.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Sandra Rozhon" Organization: Festival To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:43 -0500 Subject: TP365XD video question Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is the TP365XD capable of more than 256 colors? I bought a game that needs 16,000,000 colors and it refused to run on my laptop. When I looked in the settings for the display, only 256 colors comes up. Can the video be upgraded, or is this my only choice? Sandy From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 22 14:52:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239370368; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:52:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05619; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:45:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05296; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05267; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 20715982105.bellatlantic.net (20715982105.bellatlantic.net [207.159.82.105]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id OAA03662 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net (Sir Gwynz) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP365XD video question Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:45:25 GMT Message-Id: <349eecb6.316234@core.iconnet.net> References: <199712221711.MAA00590@nemesis.cyberdrive.net> In-Reply-To: <199712221711.MAA00590@nemesis.cyberdrive.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:43 -0500, you wrote: >Is the TP365XD capable of more than 256 colors? I bought a game that=20 >needs 16,000,000 colors and it refused to run on my laptop. When I=20 >looked in the settings for the display, only 256 colors comes up. =20 >Can the video be upgraded, or is this my only choice? > >Sandy You're limited to 256 colors with a dual-scan screen, an active-matrix screen can display more but I don't know if it can do 16 million. In any case, plugging in an external monitor will work with the higher color mode. sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 22 17:40:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA021430405; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:40:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17336; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:37:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17218; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from preferred.com (preferred.com [205.138.52.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17205; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from jseabolt (ppp6.sullivan.preferred.com [205.138.53.19]) by preferred.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA23725 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:37:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:37:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199712222237.RAA23725@preferred.com> X-Sender: jseabolt@preferred.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: James Seabolt Subject: RE: IBM mouse II & port replicator for thinkpad Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu "F. Rodriguez" wrote: >Hello, > > >I went to a local IBM dealer and found out about a port replicator for my 365XD >It seemed rather fragile and had a wrist rest, cost about $270 (canadian, >which is about U$200). > >Also saw a very cute little IBM BLACK mouse for thinkpads. Anyone seen those >around? The price was CAN$70 (about U$50!). Seems a little expensive to me >but hey, dont we all want black stuff to match our babies? This note is probably old news but the other day I was in "Big Lots" which sells allot of closeout merchandise. On a carousel I found a neat little mouse made by a company called "Fellows". It's not black (4 different colors) but is small enough to fit in the palm of your hand. I had to take it apart and straighten one of the tabs on the "right click" button (Made in China) but it works great with the Thinkpad and is small enough to look like it was made for it. 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( / ______) \ l /-----~~" / Y \ / | "x______.^ "Nobody needs more than 640K" | \ Bill Gates, 1981 j Y ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 22 18:47:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052384440; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:47:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19436; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:44:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19274; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.club-internet.fr (root@mail.club-internet.fr [194.158.96.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19255; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp-102-76.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.102.76]) by mail.club-internet.fr (8.8.8/MGC-970630-No_Relay) with ESMTP id AAA00787 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:44:12 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712222344.AAA00787@mail.club-internet.fr> From: "Manuel VILLARET" To: Subject: 701 port replicator Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:45:08 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am looking fr a port replicator fr my 701 CS .Anyone has any idea where could get second hand one? thanks Manuel VILLARET barbaro@club-internet.fr Paris/FRANCE From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 22 22:24:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156017456; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:24:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25049; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:22:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24836; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24824; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18068 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1997 03:22:17 -0000 Received: from asahel-21.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.199) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1997 03:22:17 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP365XD video question Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 03:21:57 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34a0c838.3105139@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199712221711.MAA00590@nemesis.cyberdrive.net> In-Reply-To: <199712221711.MAA00590@nemesis.cyberdrive.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:43 -0500, you wrote: >Is the TP365XD capable of more than 256 colors? I bought a game that=20 >needs 16,000,000 colors and it refused to run on my laptop. When I=20 >looked in the settings for the display, only 256 colors comes up. =20 >Can the video be upgraded, or is this my only choice? If you have a dual scan display, you're stuck with 256 colors, which means no Riven or like games. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 22 22:52:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169939152; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:52:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25796; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:51:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25671; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25658; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.1.76.221]) by ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA25691 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:51:23 -0800 Message-Id: <349F32EC.9002C80D@home.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:41:32 -0800 From: Tom Minger Reply-To: tminger@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 720C color setting References: <199712222344.AAA00787@mail.club-internet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This may be more of a Windows question than a Thinkpad question, but....... I am trying to set my Windows 3.1 VGA setting to 256 colors for a specific application I am trying to install. When I run the Windows Setup and change from standard VGA to VGA, 256 colors, the setup program cannot fine the appropriate driver (svga256.drv) on any of the original Windows disks. I've also looked for this file on a couple of old CD-ROMs I have with Windows 3.1 on them. First of all, is the 720C capable of 256 colors? If so, how do I get Windows 3.1 to operate in 256 color mode? Thanks in advance, Tom From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 01:15:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236087735; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:15:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29671; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:14:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29515; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from wolfenet.com (ratty.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29503; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.wolfenet.com (sea-ts2-p17.wolfenet.com [207.66.131.67]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15005 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:14:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971222221420.007eb1d0@popserv.wolfenet.com> X-Sender: pele@popserv.wolfenet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:14:20 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Lewis Subject: 701c noise & screen saver questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Seems like my 701c is getting noisier. There's this low-key whir, sorta like the sound a vacuum cleaner makes when it sucks up a patch of dirt, then goes over a clean, smooth bit, then hits a dirty patch again. Very steady, mild, cyclical vibration that maybe was always there, but seems louder somehow. The unit has never been totally silent, and I'm not sure what to make of this. I think there's time left on the warranty (it was built 1/96). I'm the second owner. Have never used EZ-Serve, though I've read lots about it (good and bad) off this list... Any thoughts on my best move? Another issue: I have a screen saver (3D pipes) set to kick in after 1 minute. With the ac adaptor plugged in, the screen saver stops after a minute or two, and the screen turns black. When I tap the eraser cap, the screen saver returns. Is this normal behavior? If it matters, I'm running Win95 w/24 megs of ram. Thanks in advance. Peter -- Peter Lewis pele@wolfenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 02:30:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA268892229; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:30:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01635; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:28:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01281; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01268; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA63844; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:27:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:27:21 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Tom Minger Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 720C color setting In-Reply-To: <349F32EC.9002C80D@home.com> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Check out the ibm web site www.pc.ibm.com and look under support for the thinkpads. There should be a 256 colour driver for the 720c if memory serves me correctly. I know the 700c had 256 colors so the 720c definitely does. On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, Tom Minger wrote: > This may be more of a Windows question than a Thinkpad question, > but....... > > I am trying to set my Windows 3.1 VGA setting to 256 colors for a > specific application I am trying to install. > > When I run the Windows Setup and change from standard VGA to VGA, 256 > colors, the setup program cannot fine the appropriate driver > (svga256.drv) on any of the original Windows disks. I've also looked for > this file on a couple of old CD-ROMs I have with Windows 3.1 on them. > > First of all, is the 720C capable of 256 colors? > > If so, how do I get Windows 3.1 to operate in 256 color mode? > > Thanks in advance, > Tom > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 02:31:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA269262289; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:31:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01783; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:30:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01640; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01604; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA06022; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:29:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 380d vibration from cdrom Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone else on this list have a 380d or 380ed? If so does yor machine go into violent vibrations when you insert a cd into the machine? I've seen this on at least two machines and I'm not sure if this just started recently or was always like this on my machine. Josh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 02:39:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272832774; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:39:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02321; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:38:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02202; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from osage.gate.net (root@osage.gate.net [198.206.134.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02190; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from seminole.gate.net (mgilula@seminole.gate.net [199.227.0.14]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA302722; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:37:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (mgilula@localhost) by seminole.gate.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16668; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:38:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: seminole.gate.net: mgilula owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:38:31 -0500 (EST) From: Marshall Gilula To: Joshua Hosseinof Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 380d vibration from cdrom In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu does it make any difference with your machine whether the CD itself is balanced or unbalanced. For example, my CD of MDK has embossing/graphics on only one side of the CD and in the machine, you can hear an unbalanced whirring noise at high speeds. This is not in my thinkpad, but in a desktop machine. -73- Marshall On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Joshua Hosseinof wrote: > Anyone else on this list have a 380d or 380ed? > If so does yor machine go into violent vibrations when you insert a cd > into the machine? I've seen this on at least two machines and I'm not > sure if this just started recently or was always like this on my machine. > > Josh > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 02:44:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274653046; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:44:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02697; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:43:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02607; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02594; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA32800; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:42:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:42:09 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Marshall Gilula Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 380d vibration from cdrom In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just to clarify, the vibration only occurs at the time of insertion. The eject and insertion of cd's is done manually, it's not a motorized tray or anything. When the cd is playing or reading after that there is no vibrations, just a slight whirring sound that you would expect to hear. On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Marshall Gilula wrote: > does it make any difference with your machine whether the CD itself is > balanced or unbalanced. For example, my CD of MDK has embossing/graphics > on only one side of the CD and in the machine, you can hear an unbalanced > whirring noise at high speeds. This is not in my thinkpad, but in a > desktop machine. > -73- > Marshall > > > On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Joshua Hosseinof wrote: > > > Anyone else on this list have a 380d or 380ed? > > If so does yor machine go into violent vibrations when you insert a cd > > into the machine? I've seen this on at least two machines and I'm not > > sure if this just started recently or was always like this on my machine. > > > > Josh > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 03:03:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282744211; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 03:03:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03413; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 03:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 03:02:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03341; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 03:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03329; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 03:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA25102; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:00:37 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA24479; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:03:58 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199712230803.WAA24479@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 380d vibration from cdrom To: hosseino@ymail.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinof) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 22:03:58 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Joshua Hosseinof" at Dec 23, 97 2:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is your CD an 8x? Many 8x CDrom drives are 'speeded up' 4x drives; these are susceptible to vibrations, even on desktop machines. If this is the case for you, then I wouldn't worry - the behavior is normal (though I believe such drives have a higher failure rate than comparable 6x drives). - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 09:07:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128396050; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:07:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16655; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:05:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16488; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet-gateway.zurich.ibm.com (internet-gateway-x.zurich.ibm.com [195.212.119.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16476; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from vial.zurich.ibm.com (vial.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.21.201]) by internet-gateway.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id PAA23146; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:04:12 +0100 (MET) Received: by vial.zurich.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25216 from ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:04:12 +0100 Message-Id: <9712231404.AA25216@vial.zurich.ibm.com> To: linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Loadlin & APM Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 15:04:12 +0100 From: Michael Steiner Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Linux experts, I try to boot linux via loadlin from Win95 to get sound support as described in http://www.screamin.demon.co.uk/mwave.html for my ThinkPad 760ED. Unfortunatly when i try to boot via loadlin linux crashes with a general protection (fault): '0000'. (more info below) Playing around a bit i discovered that the problem actually is APM. if i take a kernel without APM enabled (e.g slackware-3.4 kernel/bare.i, linux 2.0.30) it works but not then APM is enabled (e.g slackware-3.4 kernel/bareapm.i, linux 2.0.30 as well as self-made kernels for 2.0.28/2.0.33 (see http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~sti/chiggiogna/linux/system/kernel/2.0.33.html)! i also noticed that the APM reports during the bootin (and immediatly before crashing) a different 'dseg' address, namely '20a' instead of the usual '9fc0'. does anybody have an idea how to fix that ? regards -michael- CONSOLE OUTPUT (fragments) ========================== .... APM BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.2) Entry f714:0 cset16 f000 dseg 20a cseg len ffff, dseg len 400 general protection: 0000 CPU: 0 EIP: 2048:[<00000029>] EFLAGS: 00010093 eax: 0000530d ebx: 00000007 ecx: 001f530d edx: 0000ffff esi: 0000ffff edi: 0000fffe ebp: 0000ffff esp: 00007f28 ds: 2050 es: 0000 fs: 0000 gs: 0000 ss: 0018 Process swapper (pid: 1, process nr: 1, stackpage=00007000) Stack: ffff7f42a ffff530d ...... Call Trace: [<00193508>] [<00194323>] [<00194734>] .... Code: 31 2c 20 31 39 39 36 20 41 4c 4c 20 52 49 47 48 54 53 20 52 Started ksapd v 1.4.2.2 Michael Steiner ___________ IBM Research Lab, (++41) 1 / 724 82 86 | Saeumerstrasse 4 ^ CH-8803 Rueschlikon ---------------------------------(_)--------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 10:03:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153179394; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:03:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18602; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:00:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18485; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18473; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09114; Tue, 23 Dec 97 09:55:42 EST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 09:55:42 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9712231455.AA09114@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: introduction Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well I am back in the Thinkpad camp -- I follow the leading edge of laptop technology, and the Tecra 720 and 740 were introduced well ahead of anything comparable from IBM, so I had switched to Toshiba. But now I have the TP 770 with a 14.1" screen. An excellent machine. I have two glitches so far, neither disastrous. First, sometimes the screen disappears, and won't come back. This seems to be related to the power management, and in fact since I turned Presentation Mode on, it has not hapenned again, although I still see it if (under OS/2), I try to hot swap between the floppy and the CD ROM in suspend mode. Certainly something that I can live with. Second, every now and then, the trackpoint-4 registers an unexplained event as though the left mouse button had been pressed when it has not. Again, slightly irritating, but managable. One quick note on the 770, the floppy is unusual in that it can run either in the Ultra-Bay or outside it *without an extra case*. This was not clear to me at first, until I called up to ask how to install OS/2 (incidentally, there are a good set of instructions for installing OS/2 available from IBM, but annoyingly left out of the online instruction book -- which has a section on OS/2 installation that is incomplete). I have 160meg memory installed, and my first battery outing gave 2 hrs 55 mins on each of two batteries. This is in full power mode, but with the screen in normal, not high mode. Actually I usually find that I do not operate the screen in its brightest mode in most settings. This is a very bright screen, *too* bright at its maximum setting most of the time (but of course the extra brightness is VERY welcome in high intensity ambient light situations). One extra thing. No one at IBM knew if extra batteries came with the necessary gizmo for putting them in the Ultrabay, but the answer is that they definitely do! (it is a pity you cannot get higher capacity batteries that would fit only in the right hand bay, but anyway, 3 hours is not bad). By the way, the surround sound (done by creating a 3D sound field with two speakers, presumably by clever phasing) is very impressive. I have Zork Nemesis installed, and people sit in front of the machine and start looking around for speakers, since it is hard to believe that the non-directional effects are coming from the speakers in front of you. The sound is *worlds* ahead of the (rather tiny and tinny) speakers on the Tecra 740. The keyboard is excellent, my only (minor) complaint is that it is very quiet except if you hit the space bar other than in the center, which makes a slight clack. The trackpoint-4 is nice, the push to select is very useful (although I wonder if it is the source of my phantom button pushes, interesting thought, I will disable it and see). I find the scrolling button of limited use and would prefer to make the big button below the keyboard be the left button, I guess this could be accomplished easily enough by hackin the driver, mabe someone will do that. All in all, a VERY nice machine, a useful step up from my Tecra 740 (incidentally, as always, you get a fantastic deal by buying behind the bleeding edge, I have seen Tecra 740's advertised as low as $2499, which is a VERY good buy). Robert Dewar From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 17:48:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075937323; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:48:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25451; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:43:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24302; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23851; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts04.loop.net (p17.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.152]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA01417; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:14:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712232014.MAA01417@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Robert Dewar" Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 12:15:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: introduction Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >An excellent machine. I have two glitches so far, neither disastrous. First, >sometimes the screen disappears, and won't come back. This seems to be related >to the power management, and in fact since I turned Presentation Mode on, it >has not hapenned again, although I still see it if (under OS/2), I try to hot >swap between the floppy and the CD ROM in suspend mode. Certainly something >that I can live with. > Actually, if you or anyone else on this list needs any help with installing OS/2 Warp on a ThinkPad, there is a great website devoted to this setup by an IBM employee at www.warpedthinkpad.simplenet.com, and I myself was glancing at the pages for the 770 (even though I have OS/2 Warp 4 on my ThinkPad 701). I can imagine that the 770 must be a really fast machine, though. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 17:56:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079677809; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:56:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27155; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:55:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27056; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27043; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA03606; Tue, 23 Dec 97 16:56:08 EST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 16:56:08 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9712232156.AA03606@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: introduction Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes, indeed, I found the www.warpedthinkpad.simplenet.com yesterday from an Alta Vista search for Thinkpad 770, and it has lots of very useful stuff. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 19:03:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA108671785; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:03:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03791; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:01:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03578; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03534; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86027-1>; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:56:29 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id SAA00660 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:56:23 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:49:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: scsi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu skunberg@goldengate.net wrote: > I'm looking for the scsi cable to go into a dock 1 > looking to add a scsi cd-rom and it seems to be a odd cable. Odd, well. It is the "standard" SCSI-1 cable connector IBM used with all their smaller machines, PCs and RS/6000. IBM also has cables which have this connector at one end and a standard 50pin Centronics at the other. They are quite old-fashioned, though. If you like to know the IBM part number, send me an e-mail to hm@ibm.de after Jan 13. :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 23 19:03:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA108751788; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:03:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03796; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:01:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03560; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03518; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86028-2>; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:56:31 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id SAA00661 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:56:27 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:51:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: TP365XD video question To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sir Gwynz (sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net) wrote: > On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:43 -0500, you wrote: > > >Is the TP365XD capable of more than 256 colors? I bought a game that=20 > >needs 16,000,000 colors and it refused to run on my laptop. When I=20 > >looked in the settings for the display, only 256 colors comes up. =20 > >Can the video be upgraded, or is this my only choice? > > > >Sandy > > You're limited to 256 colors with a dual-scan screen, an active-matrix > screen can display more but I don't know if it can do 16 million. In > any case, plugging in an external monitor will work with the higher > color mode. If you have enough video RAM and if the graphics chips provides the respective modes. You will have to make a tradeoff between color depth and pixel resolution. In your case, the Cyber9320 graphics chip can only deliver 16bpp I believe. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 24 09:08:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA163622517; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:08:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28130; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:06:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27945; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27933; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4495 invoked from network); 24 Dec 1997 14:06:46 -0000 Received: from hezron-2.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.132) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 1997 14:06:46 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, tp-500@andrsn.stanford.edu Subject: [TP510] Greyscale Video Driver? Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:06:27 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34a11009.1185893@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Doesn anyone know of a way to run a color system in a greyscale mode? I know someone who would like to run an old 510CS in this mode occasionally. There is a DOS application that offers this ability in the 510 utilities, but it doesn't seem to work. As an aside, I'm curious if I could to this with my 560, in fact, just as a lark. On another issue, the 510 also doesn't work with the larger pointer program that came on the utilities diskettes. These were the original diskettes provided by IBM, though the system has had the BIOS updated to 5.137f, iirc.=20 Thanks in advance for any help/ideas/suggestions. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 24 10:53:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA208288794; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:53:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01278; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:50:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01142; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01129; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx02-01.teleport.com (ip-pdx02-01.teleport.com [206.163.123.34]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA17731 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 07:50:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 07:50:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712241550.HAA17731@smtp3.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Lube job-701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Maybe it is Christmas cookie crumbs... My 701 hinge is stiff and squeaks. What is the approved method and material? While I'm at it what is the procedure for keyboard service. In both cases I am concerned as I don't want to affect my warranty. Has anyone asked IBM? I did ask them a while back about the mushy feel of the left Trackpoint button and their response was that it might be failing and I could send it in for service...they didn't recommend a cleaning method but I didn't think to ask at the time. Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 24 16:54:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079250492; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:54:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12794; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:53:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12660; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12641; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id NAA18166; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0002B6D9; Wed, 24 Dec 97 13:54:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:56:45 -0800 Message-Id: <0002B6D9.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: Peter Lewis , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701c noise & screen saver questions Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.664000388" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.664000388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part re: noise The only internal device with moving parts inside the 701's case is the hard drive. Thus, your hard drive is starting to go. sorry. re: screen saver Check your APM settings inside the bios - my guess is that you have a screen dimmer/power saver setting that is turning on before your screen saver. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: 701c noise & screen saver questions Author: Peter Lewis at Internet Date: 12/22/97 10:14 PM Seems like my 701c is getting noisier. There's this low-key whir, sorta like the sound a vacuum cleaner makes when it sucks up a patch of dirt, then goes over a clean, smooth bit, then hits a dirty patch again. Very steady, mild, cyclical vibration that maybe was always there, but seems louder somehow. The unit has never been totally silent, and I'm not sure what to make of this. I think there's time left on the warranty (it was built 1/96). I'm the second owner. Have never used EZ-Serve, though I've read lots about it (good and bad) off this list... Any thoughts on my best move? Another issue: I have a screen saver (3D pipes) set to kick in after 1 minute. With the ac adaptor plugged in, the screen saver stops after a minute or two, and the screen turns black. When I tap the eraser cap, the screen saver returns. Is this normal behavior? If it matters, I'm running Win95 w/24 megs of ram. Thanks in advance. Peter -- Peter Lewis pele@wolfenet.com --IMA.Boundary.664000388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail-oak-1.pilot.net (198.232.147.16) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0002B1D9; Mon, 22 Dec 97 22:18:11 -0800 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-oak-1.pilot.net with ESMTP id WAA28227 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29678; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:14:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29515; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from wolfenet.com (ratty.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29503; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.wolfenet.com (sea-ts2-p17.wolfenet.com [207.66.131.67]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15005 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:14:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971222221420.007eb1d0@popserv.wolfenet.com> X-Sender: pele@popserv.wolfenet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:14:20 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Lewis Subject: 701c noise & screen saver questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.664000388-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 25 02:46:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041625975; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:46:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26425; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:50:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26067; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (genepool@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25866; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA14311; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:49:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:49:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Michael Subject: Introduction To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Jim Michael and I have a TP 380D which I bought primarily for writing programs and keeping up with web/email while traveling. It is running Win95 on 16 MB at the moment but I plan to install another 32MB sometime soon. The only toy I have bought for it so far is a DeLorme Tripmate GPS with the Street Atlas 5.0 software. I like the 380D, the tactile response of the keyboard and extended wrist rest make a great combination for programmers. Cheers, Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 25 16:29:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070345396; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:29:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13242; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:28:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13112; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.area54.net (mercury.area54.net [207.226.221.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13100; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06419 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:28:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:28:29 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Cummings To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: H&A, 701c, osr2. In-Reply-To: <199712200422.XAA05767@preferred.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Trying to install a Home & Away in a TP701c with osr2 installed and not having a lot of luck.. Works fine however on orginal release on Win95 on same machine. Has anyone had secuss installing a H&A under osr2?? Thanks... Michael From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 25 17:46:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103849971; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 17:46:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14207; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 17:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 25 Dec 1997 17:44:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14089; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 17:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from isua2.iastate.edu (isua2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14076; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 17:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ne1r@localhost) by isua2.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10897 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:44:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712252244.QAA10897@isua2.iastate.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: isua2.iastate.edu: ne1r@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 750 battery question Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:44:47 CST From: Adam J Niewoehner Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How do you know when the battery is dead? The battery on my TP refuses to charge; the charging indicator turns off after a second and then the battery indicator changes from green to orange. Thanks in advance for any help. Adam Niewoehner ne1r@iastate.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 00:58:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289215913; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:58:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18926; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:56:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18757; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18745; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from p25.hwts13.loop.net (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA04761; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 21:49:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712260549.VAA04761@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Sandra Rozhon" Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 19:33:42 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP365XD video question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:43 -0500, Sandra Rozhon wrote: >Is the TP365XD capable of more than 256 colors? I bought a game that >needs 16,000,000 colors and it refused to run on my laptop. When I >looked in the settings for the display, only 256 colors comes up. >Can the video be upgraded, or is this my only choice? > I doubt that you can get 16.7 million colors on the LCD, but you should be able to do that at 640*480 on an external monitor. I think the highest you can go to on the LCD is 65,536 colors. Try updating the drivers, too. That should also help as well. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 00:59:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289405940; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:59:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19069; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:57:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18891; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18845; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from p25.hwts13.loop.net (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA04766; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 21:49:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712260549.VAA04766@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Sir Gwynz" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 19:35:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP365XD video question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:45:25 GMT, Sir Gwynz wrote: >On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:43 -0500, you wrote: > >>Is the TP365XD capable of more than 256 colors? I bought a game that >>needs 16,000,000 colors and it refused to run on my laptop. When I >>looked in the settings for the display, only 256 colors comes up. >>Can the video be upgraded, or is this my only choice? >> >>Sandy > >You're limited to 256 colors with a dual-scan screen, an active-matrix >screen can display more but I don't know if it can do 16 million. In >any case, plugging in an external monitor will work with the higher >color mode. > I don't know if you're really that limited, as my ThinkPad 701 has a DSTN LCD, and I have it set to 65,536 colors right now. The only caveats though are when I open a DOS windowed session, the machine crashes, and the display gets junk all over it. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 01:04:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA291336253; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:04:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19514; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:03:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19424; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19394; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from p25.hwts13.loop.net (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA04951 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 21:56:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712260556.VAA04951@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 25 Dec 97 22:03:09 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: scsi Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:49:00 +0100, Harald Milz wrote: >skunberg@goldengate.net wrote: >> I'm looking for the scsi cable to go into a dock 1 >> looking to add a scsi cd-rom and it seems to be a odd cable. > >Odd, well. It is the "standard" SCSI-1 cable connector IBM used with all >their smaller machines, PCs and RS/6000. IBM also has cables which have this >connector at one end and a standard 50pin Centronics at the other. They are >quite old-fashioned, though. If you like to know the IBM part number, send >me an e-mail to hm@ibm.de after Jan 13. :-) > You mean the IBM part, or the SCSI Centronics connection? If you meant the Centronics connect, personally I favor that over the 50 pin HD, because of cost, ease of use, and it's just plain better. Just my 2 cents. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 01:05:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA292516351; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:05:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19861; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:04:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19564; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19547; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from p25.hwts13.loop.net (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA04985 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 21:57:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712260557.VAA04985@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 25 Dec 97 22:04:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP365XD video question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:51:00 +0100, Harald Milz wrote: >Sir Gwynz (sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net) wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:09:43 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >Is the TP365XD capable of more than 256 colors? I bought a game that=20 >> >needs 16,000,000 colors and it refused to run on my laptop. When I=20 >> >looked in the settings for the display, only 256 colors comes up. =20 >> >Can the video be upgraded, or is this my only choice? >> > >> >Sandy >> >> You're limited to 256 colors with a dual-scan screen, an active-matrix >> screen can display more but I don't know if it can do 16 million. In >> any case, plugging in an external monitor will work with the higher >> color mode. > >If you have enough video RAM and if the graphics chips provides the >respective modes. You will have to make a tradeoff between color depth >and pixel resolution. > >In your case, the Cyber9320 graphics chip can only deliver 16bpp I believe. > > That would be 65,536, right? The number of bits for the video mode doesn't have to do with the res., does it? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 01:07:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293206471; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:07:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20185; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:06:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20027; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19993; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from p25.hwts13.loop.net (p25.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.190]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA05037; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 21:59:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712260559.VAA05037@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bryan Daum" , "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 25 Dec 97 22:06:31 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Lube job-701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 24 Dec 1997 07:50:13 -0800 (PST), Bryan Daum wrote: >Maybe it is Christmas cookie crumbs... >My 701 hinge is stiff and squeaks. What is the approved method and material? > >While I'm at it what is the procedure for keyboard service. In both cases I >am concerned as I don't want to affect my warranty. Has anyone asked IBM? > Good luck. I have yet to do that, as I'm saving up for a new ThinkPad, probably a 360 machine. >I did ask them a while back about the mushy feel of the left Trackpoint >button and their response was that it might be failing and I could send it >in for service...they didn't recommend a cleaning method but I didn't think >to ask at the time. > Well, mine was having trouble working, and then it broke off, under normal use! The problem IMO with the 701 is both their keyboard, and their cheap hinges, broken FROM the keyboard! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 01:33:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003548015; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:33:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20948; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:32:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20877; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20864; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 01:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.65.131.161]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAB9195 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 06:31:57 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Installing a browser on a 701 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:35:21 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19971226063150.AAB9195@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm at wits end after having talked to seemingly everyone's tech support. I can't seem to get the browser part of my AT&T software loaded. I keep getting a variety of I/O error messages that seem to pop up under a variety of conditions. When I'm not getting those the install simply hangs on a file. The most maddening part was that one time I got it to disk 5 of 5 and 99% loaded before it hung. It seemed to be a faulty floppy drive and IBM agreed with me and sent out a replacement: No Joy! with either the original AT&T software disks or replacements that they sent me. So I tried installing it from their CD-ROM through the PCMCIA, but the machine keeps telling me that the disk is not ready. Has any of you out there experienced similar problems loading software? I'd be happy to try just about anything at this stage. I bought the machine largely to check email on the road. Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 02:14:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA022380483; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:14:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21881; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:11:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21687; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21675; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12751 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1997 07:10:55 -0000 Received: from beelzebub-25.tcg-max.enteract.com (207.229.150.25) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1997 07:10:55 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP560 -Are we still doing this, btw?] Memory compatability Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 07:10:38 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34ab579b.20652178@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just cruised by The Chip Merchant's web site and saw an ad for 32MB RAM chip for $107. The models listed were 365XD and the 760 line. Any chance that these use the same modules as the 560, so I can place an order tomorrow (well, today now)? And are they compatible with the 560X and E lines, for when I upgrade to one of them next year? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 02:32:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028711542; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:32:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22535; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:29:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22251; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (pacs04.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22238; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from InfoAve.Net by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) id <01IRM3LFSCPS9H640S@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:28:53 EST Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:28:52 -0500 (EST) From: askipper@InfoAve.Net Subject: Re: H&A, 701c, osr2. In-Reply-To: To: Michael Cummings Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You think that is weird.. try this one. I have a H&A and se it up on a osr2 disk (170 meg). I got a 1.08 gig hd (ibm) and now osr2 tells me there is a conflict with the network child but system resources says there isn't any conflict. Go figure :( Did you upgrade the card to support win95? (H&Awin95) Let me know I'm still working on my trouble. Linn askipper@ftc-i.net On Thu, 25 Dec 1997, Michael Cummings wrote: > > Trying to install a Home & Away in a TP701c with osr2 installed and not > having a lot of luck.. Works fine however on orginal release on Win95 on > same machine. Has anyone had secuss installing a H&A under osr2?? > > Thanks... > > Michael > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 10:15:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205899350; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:15:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04375; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:12:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04235; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from eastgate.cyberway.com.sg (eastgate.cyberway.com.sg [203.116.1.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04191; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pc00001 (d124108.ppp124.cyberway.com.sg [203.116.124.108]) by eastgate.cyberway.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02609; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:08:59 +0800 (SST) Received: by pc00001 with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1253.8F175B20@pc00001>; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:11:12 +0800 Message-Id: <01BD1253.8F175B20@pc00001> From: Poh Kian Hock To: "'epbrown'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: [TP560] LCD Defect (was "Memory compatability") Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:09:18 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi , I read about your problems with the 560 screen. Has it been fixed? I'm thinking of getting a similar model as you have, the specs are: Thinkpad 560-FNE Pentium 133 mhz 8 mb Ram (max 40mb) 1.08 Gb HDD / 1.44 Ext. FDD 2 PCMCIA type II 16 bit stereo sound card 12.1" TFT SVGA color Win95 Weight: 1.86kg FREE: add. 8 mb Ram Do you have any tips on how to check if it has the same screen defect? Saw your review on the 560 at your web site ( hey, have you disabled the links? can't see it anymore). I have 2 questions: 1. Can you connect to an external keyboard, mouse and monitor at the same time? 2. Would you say the performance is comparable to a Desktop Pentium 60 mhz? (just wanted to know what kind of performance trade-off I have to live with, in exchange for the portability) Many thanks in advance. KianHock PS: Merry Christmas everyone! ---------- From: epbrown Sent: 26 December 1997 15:10 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP560 -Are we still doing this, btw?] Memory compatability Just cruised by The Chip Merchant's web site and saw an ad for 32MB RAM chip for $107. The models listed were 365XD and the 760 line. Any chance that these use the same modules as the 560, so I can place an order tomorrow (well, today now)? And are they compatible with the 560X and E lines, for when I upgrade to one of them next year? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 12:32:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA265427570; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:32:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06427; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:31:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06289; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06277; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id LAA07368 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:29:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34A3EA52.1216@anet-dfw.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:33:06 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 360PE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've upgraded the OS on my ThinkPad 360PE to Win95 now, and have everything working, including Pen Services 2.0. (Boy, I kind of like the old pen services better...kind of miss the gestures and so forth). I still have a problem with the video, though. I believe the video card has 1MB, but the only drivers I could find for it (on ibm.com) is a DOS TSR (VESA.EXE) that you load either in config.sys or autoexec.bat. When I load it, I can see 256 colors at 640x480, but MAN is it slow! The whole system lugs along when in 256 color mode. It is so slow that it really makes the pen functionality useless. If I drop back to the native Win95 drivers (16 color...sigh) then the pen runs fast enough to be acceptable. I'm sure this is because the drivers are real mode. Has anyone out there found a better Western Digital driver for this model than the ones offered on ibm.com? I wonder if microsoft.com would have better drivers? I consider 256 colors to be a minimum for any kind of functionality (I don't play games on this machine, but 16 colors is just too limiting), but I can't stand the slow down! Also, has anyone out there heard if Win98 is going to have pen extensions? I wonder if I'll be able to upgrade to that OS when the time comes??? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 13:15:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283620146; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:15:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07439; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:14:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07323; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07311; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-23.usc.edu [128.125.224.23]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA05934; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:14:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971226095751.0074f9ac@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 09:59:17 -0800 To: Adam J Niewoehner From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 750 battery question Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:44 PM 12/25/97 CST, Adam J Niewoehner wrote: > How do you know when the battery is dead? The battery on my TP >refuses to charge; the charging indicator turns off after a second and >then the battery indicator changes from green to orange. Thanks in >advance for any help. Is this the original battery that came with the machine? That would make it about 4 years old--maybe more. I think its a safe bet to presume its outlived its useful life in that period of time. Not holding a charge is a prime indicator. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 13:56:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003522614; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:56:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08268; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:55:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08131; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.area54.net (mercury.area54.net [207.226.221.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08119; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06125; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:55:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:55:30 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Cummings To: askipper@InfoAve.Net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: H&A, 701c, osr2. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 26 Dec 1997 askipper@InfoAve.Net wrote: > You think that is weird.. try this one. I have a H&A and se it up on a > osr2 disk (170 meg). I got a 1.08 gig hd (ibm) and now osr2 tells me > there is a conflict with the network child but system resources says there > isn't any conflict. Go figure :( Did you upgrade the card to support > win95? (H&Awin95) Let me know I'm still working on my trouble. Thats the same thing thats happening here.. Modem side configs fine but network side won't. H&Awin95 is updated on it.. TP has a 2.1gig IBM TravelStar drive in it. I'll try the orginal 360MB drive that came with the tpad and see if my results are the same.. If it works I'll try cloning the drive with Ghost or something like that.. Michael > On Thu, 25 Dec 1997, Michael Cummings wrote: > > > > > Trying to install a Home & Away in a TP701c with osr2 installed and not > > having a lot of luck.. Works fine however on orginal release on Win95 on > > same machine. Has anyone had secuss installing a H&A under osr2?? > > > > Thanks... > > > > Michael > > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 18:33:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123719191; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:33:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11717; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:31:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11540; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPSYS01 (upimssmtpsys01.email.msn.com [207.68.152.139]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09869; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 - 207.68.143.137 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 15:35:45 -0800 Received: from larsel - 153.34.125.12 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 15:35:43 -0800 From: "LPL" <71420666@email.msn.com> To: Subject: Thinkpad 360PE Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:34:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-Id: <00f5d43352318c7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Merry Christmas, everyone!! I just bought a starter TP360PE for my sister-in-law and had two questions that maybe some of you might help me with in between wrapping presents! 1. Can the pen features be enabled under Win 95? She's an artist. 2. Has anyone changed the hard drive? It's in a modular caddie under the keyboard. I'd like to put it a 1 gig Fujitsu I have but thought I'd get some advice first on taking the caddie apart. BTW...I got it at Computer Renaissance for $699 in Boca Raton, Fla. Not the best deal ever but if anyone is looking for this model, they have 10 in "as new" condition with 20 megs of RAM. Happy holidays, Larry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 26 18:44:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128579878; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:44:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12226; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:43:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12121; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12108; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86028-1>; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:43:11 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id AAA27964 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:42:56 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:44:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: scsi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > You mean the IBM part, or the SCSI Centronics connection? If you meant the No I mean the IBM part. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 00:34:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA277550882; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:34:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17006; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:32:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16862; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16850; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2786 invoked from network); 27 Dec 1997 05:32:40 -0000 Received: from baphomet-35.tcg-max.enteract.com (207.229.150.99) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 1997 05:32:40 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] LCD Defect (was "Memory compatability") Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 05:32:22 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34a791f8.11824207@smtp.enteract.com> References: <01BD1253.8F175B20@pc00001> In-Reply-To: <01BD1253.8F175B20@pc00001> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I never had the display looked at, and odds are that it will never get fixed now; I dropped the laptop and chipped the case, so I expect IBM to insist any problems are on my end :-( On the plus side, the defects I mention still aren't noticeable (I have to look for them to see them) and haven't affected my enjoyment of the 560 in the least so far.=20 I've never had occasion to attach the devices you mention, since I don't own any of those things - I'm a laptop-only person. Perhaps someone else on the list will chime in? I will say that the performance is superior to a Pentium 60 (they made them that slow?) without a doubt, despite the lack of L2 cache. epbrown On Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:09:18 +0800, you wrote: >Hi , > >I read about your problems with the 560 screen. Has it been fixed? >I'm thinking of getting a similar model as you have, the specs are: > >Thinkpad 560-FNE >Pentium 133 mhz >8 mb Ram (max 40mb) >1.08 Gb HDD / 1.44 Ext. FDD >2 PCMCIA type II >16 bit stereo sound card >12.1" TFT SVGA color =20 >Win95 >Weight: 1.86kg >FREE: add. 8 mb Ram > >Do you have any tips on how to check if it has the same screen defect? > >Saw your review on the 560 at your web site ( hey, have you disabled the= links? can't see it anymore). I have 2 questions: > >1. Can you connect to an external keyboard, mouse and monitor at the = same time? > >2. Would you say the performance is comparable to a Desktop Pentium 60 = mhz? > (just wanted to know what kind of performance trade-off I have to = live with, in exchange > for the portability) > >Many thanks in advance.=20 > >KianHock >PS: Merry Christmas everyone! > >---------- >From: epbrown >Sent: 26 December 1997 15:10 >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: [TP560 -Are we still doing this, btw?] Memory compatability=20 > > Just cruised by The Chip Merchant's web site and saw an ad for 32MB >RAM chip for $107. The models listed were 365XD and the 760 line. Any >chance that these use the same modules as the 560, so I can place an >order tomorrow (well, today now)? And are they compatible with the >560X and E lines, for when I upgrade to one of them next year? > epbrown >Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, >editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. >http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown >Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 > > > Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 00:45:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA281841511; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:45:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17659; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:43:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17453; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17441; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts13.loop.net (p19.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.184]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01364 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:36:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712270536.VAA01364@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 97 21:43:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Quick question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone here have either a ThinkPad 360PE or 360CE running OS/2? I'm considering buying one from IBM Credit within the next month or so if they still have some, and was looking for experiances from those running OS/2 on them. I used to have a 355C, and I LOVED the active matrix, though 8.4", but only had it working about a month and was never able to really use it. I appreciate any responses. Thanks, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 00:46:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282301573; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:46:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17836; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:44:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17525; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17498; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts13.loop.net (p19.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.184]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01371 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:37:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712270537.VAA01371@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 97 21:43:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Quick question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone here have either a ThinkPad 360PE or 360CE running OS/2? I'm considering buying one from IBM Credit within the next month or so if they still have some, and was looking for experiances from those running OS/2 on them. I used to have a 355C, and I LOVED the active matrix, though 8.4", but only had it working about a month and was never able to really use it. I appreciate any responses. Thanks, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 00:49:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283551778; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:49:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18365; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:48:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18153; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18123; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts13.loop.net (p19.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.184]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01473; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:41:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712270541.VAA01473@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "epbrown" , "Poh Kian Hock" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 97 21:47:56 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [TP560] LCD Defect (was "Memory compatability") Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:09:18 +0800, Poh Kian Hock wrote: >Hi , > >I read about your problems with the 560 screen. Has it been fixed? >I'm thinking of getting a similar model as you have, the specs are: > >Thinkpad 560-FNE >Pentium 133 mhz >8 mb Ram (max 40mb) >1.08 Gb HDD / 1.44 Ext. FDD >2 PCMCIA type II >16 bit stereo sound card >12.1" TFT SVGA color >Win95 >Weight: 1.86kg >FREE: add. 8 mb Ram > >Do you have any tips on how to check if it has the same screen defect? > >Saw your review on the 560 at your web site ( hey, have you disabled the links? can't see it anymore). I have 2 questions: > >1. Can you connect to an external keyboard, mouse and monitor at the same time? > Usually, yes. At least on my 701, you can connect a PS/2 Mouse (as I have now), a PS/2 keyboard, and regular VGA monitor. >2. Would you say the performance is comparable to a Desktop Pentium 60 mhz? > (just wanted to know what kind of performance trade-off I have to live with, in exchange > for the portability) > Probably not that bad. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 01:49:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA008505355; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:49:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19663; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:47:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19523; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19506; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from p29.hwts08.loop.net (p29.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.44]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA02976; Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:40:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712270640.WAA02976@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "epbrown" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 97 21:58:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP560] LCD Defect (was "Memory compatability") Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 05:32:22 GMT, epbrown wrote: > I never had the display looked at, and odds are that it will never >get fixed now; I dropped the laptop and chipped the case, so I expect >IBM to insist any problems are on my end :-( > On the plus side, the defects I mention still aren't noticeable (I >have to look for them to see them) and haven't affected my enjoyment >of the 560 in the least so far. > I've never had occasion to attach the devices you mention, since I >don't own any of those things - I'm a laptop-only person. Perhaps >someone else on the list will chime in? I will say that the >performance is superior to a Pentium 60 (they made them that slow?) >without a doubt, despite the lack of L2 cache. Well, get a load of this - I heard that they made a Pentium 50 (!) during development, and might have actually come out with out. Talk about one slow Pentium. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 03:52:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058222755; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 03:52:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23601; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 03:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 03:51:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23465; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 03:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23453; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 03:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id CAA27384 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 02:49:31 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34A4C1E7.7906@anet-dfw.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 02:52:55 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 360PE References: <199712270447.EAA05352@dogmead.dogmead.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > I've upgraded the OS on my ThinkPad 360PE to Win95 now, and have > > everything working, including Pen Services 2.0. (Boy, I kind of like > > the old pen services better...kind of miss the gestures and so forth). > > I'd be interested in hearing of any success you have in running with 256 > colour drivers and Pen Services 2.0. My experience with my 750P are Are you teasing me? Your experience with your 750P are WHAAAT? :) Well, as I said, I have everything working. I've just finished spending a couple MORE hours trying to find native Win95 drivers for the WD90C24 chipset (video). This notebook has 1MB RAM, so it shouldn't have any problems showing 256 colors, but the native Win95 drivers only work correctly in 16 color mode. You have to load an external driver called VESA.EXE (which you can get from Western Digital and ibm.com and probably other places). VESA.EXE is a DOS TSR, so it's a 16-bit thunk and is s-l-o-w! The 256 colors works fine, including animated cursors and that sort of thing, but it's just so slow it all but defeats the pen features. For example, if you open Paint and start drawing circles with the freehand tool, they don't come out as circles but instead are more like connected lines. If you move reeaaaaaly slow, you'll get circles, but who wants to do that? This isn't a problem if you unload VESA.EXE and run it in 16-color mode, but then who wants to run in 16-colors? I've checked Western Digital and all I could find was the VESA.EXE extensions. There's Win 3.x, Win NT 3.x and DOS drivers. Nothing else appears to be out there. It appears the VESA extensions aren't loaded in the notebook version of the bios, so you have to load this external VESA driver. There IS a commercial package out there (forget the name, but it's something I ran into while messing with all of this) and it supposedly DOES support the chipset. However, after installing it, I still couldn't get it to do more than 16 colors without VESA.EXE. > > Also, has anyone out there heard if Win98 is going to have pen > > extensions? I wonder if I'll be able to upgrade to that OS when the > > time comes??? > > I doubt it, but I'm just guessing. I think I remember hearing that Pen > Services 2.0 was almost killed before Win95 was released. Really? Well, that's too bad. I've noticed that Windows CE has pen services and don't know how they compare to, say, the capabilities and accuracy of the Newton, but I actually liked Pen 1.0 better than 2.0 anyway. Only problem is, all of this really dates the system! I'll bet you can run Win98 just fine on the 360 and probably 750 if you're willing to give up the pen, but that's the whole point! :) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 07:47:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148186862; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 07:47:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02212; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 07:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 07:46:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02101; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 07:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02089; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 07:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA02087; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA25839; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:46:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:46:15 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Quick question In-Reply-To: <199712270536.VAA01364@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul, I have a TP360 CSE running Warp 3.0 red box. I looked at running Warp 4.0 Merlin GA as I do on my desktop. Warp 3 was my choice because of the lower system requirements, and the lack of default networking. I use NPS and I dug out my old Lotus SmartCenter so the basic look and feel are similar. I am not running SmartSuite 96 on it. I have the old OS/2 freelance & 123 from the old Smartsuite. I like DeScribe and am using it, Netscape/2, PRM 2.5. Etc On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anyone here have either a ThinkPad 360PE or 360CE running > OS/2? Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 08:50:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA172260642; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:50:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03252; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:49:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03142; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.176]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03129; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:49:13 -0500 (EST) From: Disneyjazz Message-Id: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:48:30 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP365XD] Active Matrix Flashes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Starting last night, the active matrix display on my TP 365XD seems to be on the fritz. It is less than a year old. About every 10 seconds, but more frequently at certain times (especially when Windows 95 first starts), there are bright or dark flashes on the screen. They do not happen on the entire display at once, it happens in blocks or lines. What do I do? Thanks, John Ruda From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 11:24:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234399849; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:24:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05250; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:22:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05031; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05019; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14961; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 16:22:02 GMT From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199712271622.QAA14961@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: TP 360PE To: mikew@anet-dfw.com Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:22:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34A4C1E7.7906@anet-dfw.com> from "Mike Welch" at Dec 27, 97 02:52:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > > > I've upgraded the OS on my ThinkPad 360PE to Win95 now, and have > > > everything working, including Pen Services 2.0. (Boy, I kind of like > > > the old pen services better...kind of miss the gestures and so forth). > > > > I'd be interested in hearing of any success you have in running with 256 > > colour drivers and Pen Services 2.0. My experience with my 750P are > > Are you teasing me? Your experience with your 750P are WHAAAT? :) Oops, sorry about that -- deleted one line too many. Anyway, what I meant to say was, "My experiences with my 750P are virtually identical to what you have reported." > Well, as I said, I have everything working. I've just finished spending > a couple MORE hours trying to find native Win95 drivers for the WD90C24 > chipset (video). This notebook has 1MB RAM, so it shouldn't have any > problems showing 256 colors, but the native Win95 drivers only work > correctly in 16 color mode. You have to load an external driver called > VESA.EXE (which you can get from Western Digital and ibm.com and > probably other places). VESA.EXE is a DOS TSR, so it's a 16-bit thunk > and is s-l-o-w! I haven't researched this, but I was under the impression that the VESA TSR just provides some extensions so that the WD driver knows how to set up the video mode. I don't think it's actually used by the driver after initialization. In any case, I used it for a couple of years on a 360Cs and found the 256 colour performance to be perfectly adequate. My guess was that it's the pen extensions (in particular the inking code) that is the problem. I presume it's optimized for the VGA 4bbp palette, since that would be the most common. Not many Pen devices support 8 bit colour. > Only problem is, all of this really dates the system! I'll bet you can > run Win98 just fine on the 360 and probably 750 if you're willing to > give up the pen, but that's the whole point! :) I actually tried Beta 1 on my 750P. It ran, although it was pretty slow. (This is with 36 megs of memory, too). I think that the quoted minimum for Win98 is going to be a 486 DX2/66, though. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 11:25:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234779904; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:25:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05390; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:23:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05170; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05120; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14971; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 16:23:00 GMT From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199712271623.QAA14971@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: Quick question To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:23:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199712270537.VAA01371@ritchie.loop.com> from "Paul Khoury" at Dec 26, 97 09:43:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Does anyone here have either a ThinkPad 360PE or 360CE running > OS/2? I'm considering buying one from IBM Credit within the next month > or so if they still have some, and was looking for experiances from those > running OS/2 on them. I used to have a 355C, and I LOVED the active > matrix, though 8.4", but only had it working about a month and was never > able to really use it. I appreciate any responses. You might want to double check on the 360PE -- I think it is dual scan, and not TFT. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 13:37:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA290327858; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:37:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07742; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:35:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07571; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07555; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12953 invoked from network); 27 Dec 1997 18:35:03 -0000 Received: from slip129-37-39-26.il.us.ibm.net (129.37.39.26) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 1997 18:35:03 -0000 From: mocek@enteract.com (Stan Mocek) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:34:09 GMT Reply-To: mocek@enteract.com Message-Id: <34a548b7.13654457@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone found a decent x2 capable PCMCIA modem that *doesn't* have an xjack? Seems like any x2 capable PCMCIA modems are only xjack. This wouldn't be a problem for me, except that I use a 701C and have heard of problems with the xjack because of the folding keyboard. I use 2 providers and they both have x2. Only one has k56Flex, so I would like an x2 solution. In the meantime, I'm using my desktop's x2 Sportser connected on the Multiport, but that's hardly a transportable solution, and a pain in the butt to connect and reconnect when I switch between machines. -- Stan Mocek mocek@enteract.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 14:09:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004579766; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:09:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08978; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:07:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08709; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08697; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id NAA03535 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:05:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34A55268.2B20@anet-dfw.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:09:28 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP365XD] Active Matrix Flashes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yikes! One question: have you installed any new software lately, namely games or utilities? This _could_ be a video driver issue (let's hope so...that's easily fixed). Disneyjazz wrote: > > Starting last night, the active matrix display on my TP 365XD seems to be on > the fritz. It is less than a year old. About every 10 seconds, but more > frequently at certain times (especially when Windows 95 first starts), there > are bright or dark flashes on the screen. They do not happen on the entire > display at once, it happens in blocks or lines. What do I do? > > Thanks, > John Ruda From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 14:28:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012520885; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:28:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09660; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:26:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09519; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09507; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl (slip129-37-134-33.dc.us.ibm.net [129.37.134.33]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA25026; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 19:26:43 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971227142615.009f5120@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:26:15 -0500 To: mocek@enteract.com From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34a548b7.13654457@smtp.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:34 PM 12/27/97 GMT, you wrote: >Has anyone found a decent x2 capable PCMCIA modem that *doesn't* have >an xjack? Seems like any x2 capable PCMCIA modems are only xjack. > USR has their 1560 model in both x-jack and cable models. I believe the part number for the one with the cable is CC1560. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 14:32:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA014691167; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:32:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10080; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:31:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09967; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09943; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id NAA04157; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:29:51 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34A55803.9E5@anet-dfw.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:33:23 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Tyhurst Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 360PE References: <199712271622.QAA14961@dogmead.dogmead.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > > > > > I've upgraded the OS on my ThinkPad 360PE to Win95 now, and have > > > > everything working, including Pen Services 2.0. (Boy, I kind of like > > > > the old pen services better...kind of miss the gestures and so forth). > > > > > > I'd be interested in hearing of any success you have in running with 256 > > > colour drivers and Pen Services 2.0. My experience with my 750P are > > > > Are you teasing me? Your experience with your 750P are WHAAAT? :) > > Oops, sorry about that -- deleted one line too many. Anyway, what I > meant to say was, "My experiences with my 750P are virtually identical > to what you have reported." I know that some of the 750P and 360PE drivers are interchangable. The unit I purchased (used of course) was using the 750P audio drivers. > > Well, as I said, I have everything working. I've just finished spending > > a couple MORE hours trying to find native Win95 drivers for the WD90C24 > > chipset (video). This notebook has 1MB RAM, so it shouldn't have any > > problems showing 256 colors, but the native Win95 drivers only work > > correctly in 16 color mode. You have to load an external driver called > > VESA.EXE (which you can get from Western Digital and ibm.com and > > probably other places). VESA.EXE is a DOS TSR, so it's a 16-bit thunk > > and is s-l-o-w! > > I haven't researched this, but I was under the impression that the VESA > TSR just provides some extensions so that the WD driver knows how to > set up the video mode. I don't think it's actually used by the driver > after initialization. In any case, I used it for a couple of years on > a 360Cs and found the 256 colour performance to be perfectly adequate. You could be correct about VESA. From what I could tell (from what it sounded like on the old Paradise site) is that the notebook versions of the Western Digital WD90C24 chip (and similar models) does not have VESA in BIOS as they do in desktop computers. So I was thinking it was a plug-in BIOS code of some kind. What is happening with that bios code is anybody's guess. > My guess was that it's the pen extensions (in particular the inking code) > that is the problem. I presume it's optimized for the VGA 4bbp palette, > since that would be the most common. Not many Pen devices support 8 bit > colour. You think it could be the pen drivers, huh? That occurred to me when I first started noticing the speed problem. There's clearly a lot more "crud" with pen 2.0 than in 1.0 and it could very well be a dog. But the pen speed is perfectly acceptable in 16-color mode which is why I lean towards suspecting video. And the palette? Your guess is as good as mine :) > > Only problem is, all of this really dates the system! I'll bet you can > > run Win98 just fine on the 360 and probably 750 if you're willing to > > give up the pen, but that's the whole point! :) > > I actually tried Beta 1 on my 750P. It ran, although it was pretty slow. > (This is with 36 megs of memory, too). I think that the quoted minimum > for Win98 is going to be a 486 DX2/66, though. VERY interesting. Did you have the pen services working too? I wonder if Windows 95 drivers are going to be compatible with Win98? I guess that as long as Win32 doesn't change it doesn't REALLY matter if I have Win98 or not. I do want to be able to run 32-bit software, but don't care if it's the latest OS or not. Oh, and as my TP only has 12 MB and tops out at 20, if yours was slow with 36MB (wow!) then I bettery shy away from it. I also just tried installing the old Win31 video drivers (that's pretty ugly and would involve the same thunking, but I thought maybe it would speed things up a bit). Still required VESA.EXE. Sigh... Oh, and one other thing. Have you tried installing Pen Services 1.0 on Win95? (smile). I really liked it better! Might not be quite as intuitive at first, but once you learned the gestures it worked well and got out of your way. The whole pen thing is kind of interesting. I would have never even bothered with it had I not ran across an old Grid 2050 and played around with it for a while. I didn't think I'd like the pen, but it turns out to be a nice additional component (I still like having the keyboard). Having discovered this, it seems to me that the pen wasn't marketed well enough on the pc. I think everybody would find it useful for certain tasks. Thanks for all your feeback... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 14:42:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018311759; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:42:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10541; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:41:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10431; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.177]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10419; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:41:29 -0500 (EST) From: TeresaJ53 Message-Id: <57e0a2d4.34a558ca@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:36:40 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730T HELP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I need some help with setting up a 730T 240MB PCMCIA HD with windows for pen and the pen drivers. Respond if you can help. Thanks Teresa From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 14:53:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA022892385; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:53:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11098; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:51:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10982; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from VM.SC.EDU (vm.sc.edu [129.252.41.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10967; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from student.law.sc.edu by VM.SC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sat, 27 Dec 97 14:50:28 EST Received: from LAW_STUDENT/SpoolDir by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 27 Dec 97 14:51:48 EST5EDT Received: from SpoolDir by LAW_STUDENT (Mercury 1.30); 27 Dec 97 14:51:32 EST5EDT Received: from vfolk.vmedia.com by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 27 Dec 97 14:51:26 EST5EDT Message-Id: <34A55D31.66AC@bigfoot.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:55:29 -0500 From: "Michael J. Verne" Reply-To: uscmikey@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755cd mwave win95 setup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu about a year or so ago, i sent to this list some detailed instructions on setting up an mwave thinkpad from scratch to win95 at 28.8. does anybody still have that, or instructions of their own? (i assume the mwave is at 33.6 by now, and i assume the process is still more tedious than it should be) i left my sysadmin job (and this list) about 8 months ago, so i no longer maintain a fleet of thinkpads. now i'm a student again, and i just bought a used 755cd from my former employer-- one that i used to work on, in fact, but it's stripped and they've lost both my documentation, and my driver disks. i don't have any of my old bookmarks, so i'd also like to know where i can d/l the latest drivers. also, about the time i left this list, people were starting to talk about osr2-- what works, what doesn't work on the tp's. i'm setting this up from scratch, so i'd like to go ahead & run osr2 since it's on my desktop and i like a lot of the features. any bumps in the road i can expect on the tp? thanks in advance. -- Michael J. Verne uscmikey@bigfoot.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 17:00:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075640039; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:00:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13226; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 16:58:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13080; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 16:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from terror.mcmurdo.gov (terror.mcmurdo.gov [157.132.107.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13068; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 16:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from io.com (ts006d07.oma-ne.concentric.net [206.83.79.139]) by terror.mcmurdo.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15942 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:54:15 GMT Message-Id: <34A578FB.6176AECF@io.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:54:03 +0000 From: Chris Liljenstolpe Organization: WWSI - Northern Plains Regional Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Travelstar 8GS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings, Does anybody stock these drives yet (the IBM 8GB laptop drives)? Anyone seen a price for a drive and caddy for a thinkpad? Chris -- Chris Liljenstolpe - Principal Engineer - Internetworking Technologies Worldwide Solutions, Inc. - Northern Plains Regional Off., St. Paul, MN mailto:cds@wwsi.com voice 303-581-0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ Fram Fram From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 19:00:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125207199; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:59:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14731; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:58:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14603; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from uluru.Stanford.EDU (uluru.Stanford.EDU [171.64.65.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14584; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from interran@localhost) by uluru.Stanford.EDU (8.7.6/8.7.1) id PAA22167; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 15:58:22 -0800 (PST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: H&A, 701c, osr2. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: John Interrante Date: 27 Dec 1997 15:58:20 -0800 In-Reply-To: Michael Cummings's message of Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:55:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <7ng1nenxsy.fsf@uluru.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Dec 1997, Michael Cummings wrote: > Trying to install a Home & Away in a TP701c with osr2 installed and not > having a lot of luck.. Works fine however on orginal release on Win95 on > same machine. Has anyone had secuss installing a H&A under osr2?? Do a DejaNews search for "Home & Away" in comp.sys.laptops; this question has come up before. The answer is yes, the card can work under OSR2 but you have to replace the Windows\System files CARDDRV.EXE, CSMAPPER.SYS, FLS1MTD.VXD, FLS2MTD.VXD, PCCARD.VXD, SOCKETSV.VXD, and SRAMMTD.VXD with the same files from the original release of Windows 95. Microsoft changed the PC card support under OSR2 in a way that broke IBM's unsupported Windows 95 driver and the only way to get the card to work is to revert these Microsoft files to their original versions. The rest of OSR2 doesn't seem to suffer any side effects as a result of replacing these files. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 21:41:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA190836897; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:41:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16918; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:38:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16715; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16703; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA13328; Sat, 27 Dec 97 21:33:38 EST Date: Sat, 27 Dec 97 21:33:38 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9712280233.AA13328@nile.gnat.com> To: cds@io.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Travelstar 8GS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The largest drives available as far as I know are 5GB formatted (I am talking 2.5" for thinkpads). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Dec 27 23:28:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233633281; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:28:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18522; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:26:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18423; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Fe3.rust.net (fe3.rust.net [209.69.6.110]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18411; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from basement (66-146.pop.fh.rustnet.com [209.69.66.146]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12624; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:26:26 -0500 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971227232453.007de1a0@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:24:53 -0500 To: mocek@enteract.com From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34a548b7.13654457@smtp.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:34 PM 12/27/97 GMT, you wrote: > >Has anyone found a decent x2 capable PCMCIA modem that *doesn't* have >an xjack? Seems like any x2 capable PCMCIA modems are only xjack. This >wouldn't be a problem for me, except that I use a 701C and have heard >of problems with the xjack because of the folding keyboard. > >I use 2 providers and they both have x2. Only one has k56Flex, so I >would like an x2 solution. In the meantime, I'm using my desktop's x2 >Sportser connected on the Multiport, but that's hardly a transportable >solution, and a pain in the butt to connect and reconnect when I >switch between machines. > > >-- >Stan Mocek >mocek@enteract.com > I have been using an xjack modem for over a year now with no problems. It needs to go into the bottom slot. Also the phone cord needs to be folded to one side because of the keyboard. In the top slot I have an ethernet card xjack. I can only plug into the jack after the keyboard has been opened. I like the ruggedness of the xjacks over a plug-in doungle. B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- Hunter Thompson =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 00:05:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248585504; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:05:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19452; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:01:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19301; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19282; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:01:18 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-235-181.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.235.181]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA29886; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:01:01 GMT Message-Id: <34A5DD08.2181B431@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 22:00:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Bryan Cc: mocek@enteract.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C References: <3.0.5.32.19971227232453.007de1a0@rust.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have been using an xjack modem for over a year now with no problems. It > needs to go into the bottom slot. Also the phone cord needs to be folded > to one side because of the keyboard. In the top slot I have an ethernet > card xjack. I can only plug into the jack after the keyboard has been > opened. I like the ruggedness of the xjacks over a plug-in doungle. What kind of phone cord do you plug into an xjack modem on the bottom slot that would allow ANY pc card to fit into the top slot of a 701? Not the standard RJ11. Not on my 701. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 00:37:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA264217466; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:37:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20955; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:36:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20848; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20836; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.184.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(97/11/17 5.8)) id AAA04554; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:36:17 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from CRC3.Concentric.net (ts006d24.tor-cn.concentric.net [206.173.252.156]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.8) id AAA07053; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:36:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712280536.AAA07053@mcfeely.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: uscmikey@bigfoot.com Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:36:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 755cd mwave win95 setup Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <34A55D31.66AC@bigfoot.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Michael, Well, the latest MWave drivers Ver 2.25) can be found at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html In actual fact, all the latest drivers can be found there in a matrix format. The latest drivers will delete your current Mwave installation and then install the latest from diskette. I tried to copy the drivers onto the hard disk and load from there but never succeeded. It looks for the diskette in the A: drive when it reboots your computer. However, the MIDI files can be all copied to a single subdirectory and loaded from the hard disk. Hope this helps. Like you, I was supporting a fleet of 755CE's for my client and have visited this site on a regular basis. If you need any other info, please feel free to ask. I just hope I have the answer! Cheers, ... patrick > about a year or so ago, i sent to this list some detailed instructions > on setting up an mwave thinkpad from scratch to win95 at 28.8. does > anybody still have that, or instructions of their own? (i assume the > mwave is at 33.6 by now, and i assume the process is still more tedious > than it should be) > > i left my sysadmin job (and this list) about 8 months ago, so i no > longer maintain a fleet of thinkpads. now i'm a student again, and i > just bought a used 755cd from my former employer-- one that i used to > work on, in fact, but it's stripped and they've lost both my > documentation, and my driver disks. i don't have any of my old > bookmarks, so i'd also like to know where i can d/l the latest drivers. > > also, about the time i left this list, people were starting to talk > about osr2-- what works, what doesn't work on the tp's. i'm setting > this up from scratch, so i'd like to go ahead & run osr2 since it's on > my desktop and i like a lot of the features. any bumps in the road i > can expect on the tp? > > thanks in advance. > > -- > > Michael J. Verne > uscmikey@bigfoot.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 01:00:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275138838; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 01:00:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21786; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 01:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:59:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21694; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Fe3.rust.net (fe3.rust.net [209.69.6.110]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21682; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from basement (66-137.pop.fh.rustnet.com [209.69.66.137]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA15948; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:59:18 -0500 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971228005856.007db8f0@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:58:56 -0500 To: From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34A5DD08.2181B431@ibm.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19971227232453.007de1a0@rust.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:00 PM 12/27/97 -0700, you wrote: >> I have been using an xjack modem for over a year now with no problems. It >> needs to go into the bottom slot. Also the phone cord needs to be folded >> to one side because of the keyboard. In the top slot I have an ethernet >> card xjack. I can only plug into the jack after the keyboard has been >> opened. I like the ruggedness of the xjacks over a plug-in doungle. > >What kind of phone cord do you plug into an xjack modem on the bottom slot >that would allow ANY pc card to fit into the top slot of a 701? Not the >standard RJ11. Not on my 701. > Thank you for bringing that up. They both have to be pop out xjacks. Any doungle on any of the other cards would interfere with the xjack. B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- Hunter Thompson =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 02:36:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015104600; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:36:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23511; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:33:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23390; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23378; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from p29.hwts15.loop.net (p29.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.254]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01595; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:26:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712280726.XAA01595@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 97 23:33:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Quick question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:46:15 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: >Paul, > >I have a TP360 CSE running Warp 3.0 red box. I looked at running Warp 4.0 >Merlin GA as I do on my desktop. Warp 3 was my choice because of the lower >system requirements, and the lack of default networking. I use NPS and I >dug out my old Lotus SmartCenter so the basic look and feel are similar. I >am not running SmartSuite 96 on it. I have the old OS/2 freelance >& 123 from the old Smartsuite. I like DeScribe and am using it, >Netscape/2, PRM 2.5. Etc > So the performance is pretty good? I sometimes wish I could bring my 70 back to 3.0, but there are some features I like, and I spent so much time customizing Warp 4. How much RAM do you have? Do you have the built-in modem, or sound card? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 02:37:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015384642; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:37:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23780; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:36:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23672; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23641; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from p29.hwts15.loop.net (p29.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.254]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA20338; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:34:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712280734.XAA20338@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Disneyjazz" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 97 23:35:42 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP365XD] Active Matrix Flashes Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:48:30 EST, Disneyjazz wrote: >Starting last night, the active matrix display on my TP 365XD seems to be on >the fritz. It is less than a year old. About every 10 seconds, but more >frequently at certain times (especially when Windows 95 first starts), there >are bright or dark flashes on the screen. They do not happen on the entire >display at once, it happens in blocks or lines. What do I do? > John- It could be that the cable is coming loose. But does this happen at all while you are using the machine, other than when it starts up? If it happens intermitently, it could be a cable problem. Sometimes I have problems with my 701, where the whole screen will dim down or up, and I press the display bezel because of the loose cable, but active matrix displays are different. My guess would be a loose cable. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 02:40:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016564818; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:40:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24163; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:38:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23962; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23948; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from p29.hwts15.loop.net (p29.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.254]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA20401; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:36:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712280736.XAA20401@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Tim Tyhurst" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 97 23:37:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Quick question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:23:00 -0500 (EST), Tim Tyhurst wrote: >> Does anyone here have either a ThinkPad 360PE or 360CE running >> OS/2? I'm considering buying one from IBM Credit within the next month >> or so if they still have some, and was looking for experiances from those >> running OS/2 on them. I used to have a 355C, and I LOVED the active >> matrix, though 8.4", but only had it working about a month and was never >> able to really use it. I appreciate any responses. > >You might want to double check on the 360PE -- I think it is dual scan, >and not TFT. > True, actually 9.4" DSTN. The only caveat about the TFT is that it's more expensive (duh), and 1 inch smaller (8.4") than the DSTN or mono (9.4" for both). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 02:43:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA017744999; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:43:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24541; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:41:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24429; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24417; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from p29.hwts15.loop.net (p29.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.254]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA20548; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:39:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712280739.XAA20548@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "TeresaJ53" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 97 23:41:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 730T HELP Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:36:40 EST, TeresaJ53 wrote: >I need some help with setting up a 730T 240MB PCMCIA HD with windows for pen >and the pen drivers. Respond if you can help. Thanks Teresa > What exactly do you need help with? I could do my best, since I memorized a basic configuration of the 730T(E). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 02:46:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018905182; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:46:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25021; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:44:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24801; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24789; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from p29.hwts15.loop.net (p29.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.254]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA20659; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:42:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712280742.XAA20659@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Bryan" , "mocek@enteract.com" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 97 23:43:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:24:53 -0500, Bill Bryan wrote: >At 06:34 PM 12/27/97 GMT, you wrote: >> >>Has anyone found a decent x2 capable PCMCIA modem that *doesn't* have >>an xjack? Seems like any x2 capable PCMCIA modems are only xjack. This >>wouldn't be a problem for me, except that I use a 701C and have heard >>of problems with the xjack because of the folding keyboard. >> >>I use 2 providers and they both have x2. Only one has k56Flex, so I >>would like an x2 solution. In the meantime, I'm using my desktop's x2 >>Sportser connected on the Multiport, but that's hardly a transportable >>solution, and a pain in the butt to connect and reconnect when I >>switch between machines. >> >> >>-- >>Stan Mocek >>mocek@enteract.com >> >I have been using an xjack modem for over a year now with no problems. It >needs to go into the bottom slot. Also the phone cord needs to be folded >to one side because of the keyboard. In the top slot I have an ethernet >card xjack. I can only plug into the jack after the keyboard has been >opened. I like the ruggedness of the xjacks over a plug-in doungle. > But wouldn't the X-Jack have a higher likelihood of breaking? That has always been my impression, other than convience. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 03:08:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028856495; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:08:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26832; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:07:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:07:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26720; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from VM.SC.EDU (vm.sc.edu [129.252.41.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26707; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from student.law.sc.edu by VM.SC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sun, 28 Dec 97 03:05:39 EST Received: from LAW_STUDENT/SpoolDir by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 28 Dec 97 03:06:59 EST5EDT Received: from SpoolDir by LAW_STUDENT (Mercury 1.30); 28 Dec 97 03:06:54 EST5EDT Received: from vfolk.vmedia.com by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 28 Dec 97 03:06:42 EST5EDT Message-Id: <34A6097A.23@bigfoot.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:10:34 -0500 From: "Michael J. Verne" Reply-To: uscmikey@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cd mwave win95 setup References: <199712280536.AAA07053@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Patrick Hong wrote: > > Well, the latest MWave drivers Ver 2.25) can be found at: > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html thanks. i'm downloading them right now. do the latest versions still require you to install the dos drivers first, then the 95 drivers? also, any input on osr2? -- Michael J. Verne uscmikey@bigfoot.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 03:15:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031436910; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:15:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27258; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:13:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27123; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27109; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27631; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA01758; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:13:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:13:42 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, Paul Khoury Subject: Re: Quick question In-Reply-To: <199712280726.XAA01595@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > So the performance is pretty good? I sometimes wish I could bring my > 70 back to 3.0, but there are some features I like, and I spent so much time > customizing Warp 4. How much RAM do you have? Do you have the built-in > modem, or sound card? I have 20 meg, I use a megahetz 28.8 pcmcia modem. I have a Backpack CD-ROM and a Backpack tape drive. > On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:46:15 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: > >I have a TP360 CSE running Warp 3.0 red box. I looked at running Warp 4.0 > >Merlin GA as I do on my desktop. Warp 3 was my choice because of the lower > >system requirements, and the lack of default networking. I use NPS and I > >dug out my old Lotus SmartCenter so the basic look and feel are similar. I > >am not running SmartSuite 96 on it. I have the old OS/2 freelance > >& 123 from the old Smartsuite. I like DeScribe and am using it, > >Netscape/2, PRM 2.5. Etc > > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 03:25:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA035837549; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:25:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27947; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:24:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27820; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (pacs04.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27808; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-114.r10.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IROY40XDQG9CYSDJ@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:23:41 EST Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:13:58 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: Re: H&A, 701c, osr2. To: John Interrante Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34A60A46.1359@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7ng1nenxsy.fsf@uluru.Stanford.EDU> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John, I was following the exchange about the H&A problem. I was having the same problem. I followed your fix and it worked the first time. If any one wants the files I have then on disk and will e-mail them to anyone who needs them. Thanks Linn Skipper P.S. How did you know witch files were needed?? just curious ;) John Interrante wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Dec 1997, Michael Cummings wrote: > > > Trying to install a Home & Away in a TP701c with osr2 installed and not > > having a lot of luck.. Works fine however on orginal release on Win95 on > > same machine. Has anyone had secuss installing a H&A under osr2?? > > Do a DejaNews search for "Home & Away" in comp.sys.laptops; this > question has come up before. The answer is yes, the card can work > under OSR2 but you have to replace the Windows\System files > CARDDRV.EXE, CSMAPPER.SYS, FLS1MTD.VXD, FLS2MTD.VXD, PCCARD.VXD, > SOCKETSV.VXD, and SRAMMTD.VXD with the same files from the original > release of Windows 95. Microsoft changed the PC card support under > OSR2 in a way that broke IBM's unsupported Windows 95 driver and the > only way to get the card to work is to revert these Microsoft files to > their original versions. The rest of OSR2 doesn't seem to suffer any > side effects as a result of replacing these files. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 03:38:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042378290; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:38:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28531; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:33:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28405; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28393; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86036-1>; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 09:33:25 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id JAA07274 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 09:33:05 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:36:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Travelstar 8GS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert Dewar (dewar@gnat.com) wrote: > The largest drives available as far as I know are 5GB formatted (I am > talking 2.5" for thinkpads). No, there is already a 8Gig drive. Look at http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/8gsprod.htm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 05:29:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084614987; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:29:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05874; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:27:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05724; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05711; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from caesar.turi.com (subb3@slip129-37-44-61.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.44.61]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA63700 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:27:38 GMT Received: (from subb3@localhost) by caesar.turi.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA01366 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:33:18 -0500 From: Subba Rao Message-Id: <199712281033.FAA01366@caesar.turi.com> Subject: DISPLAY FOR LINUX ON 760EL To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:33:18 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello I have a 760EL and have linux running on it. Those of you with 760ELs, know that they have larger display areas. When I use linux, all the display area is not utilized. An inch on each side is left unused. ( Windows95 and OS/2 device drivers use all the display area ). How can I get to use all the display area of console? The linux version is Redhat 2.0.29 and plan to switch to Slackware 2.0.33. Thank you in advance for any help and pointers. SubbaRao -- subb3@ibm.net ============================================ Internet Addicts Counseling From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 06:38:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA109749112; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 06:38:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06783; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 06:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 06:36:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06659; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 06:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06647; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 06:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28575 invoked from network); 28 Dec 1997 11:36:11 -0000 Received: from beelzebub-51.tcg-max.enteract.com (207.229.150.51) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 1997 11:36:11 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 11:35:55 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34a83867.2945331@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199712280742.XAA20659@stevie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199712280742.XAA20659@stevie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 97 23:43:51 , you wrote: >But wouldn't the X-Jack have a higher likelihood of breaking? That has >always been my impression, other than convience. Nope, I've mistakenly stood up with an x-jack still connected, and it's pulled the card from the laptop without hurting the jack. In fact, I've had two problems with these in about 3 years, both resulting in the modem replaced for free: My PPI (now in a friend's possession) had the little copper wires that connect to the phone break. This was apparently common for my model at the time, and Practical Peripherals fixed it without batting an eye. Later, the jack in the modem wouldn't stay in, about a year later. Worked fine, just would always stick out. I only sent it in because at the time, my model was too old for the downloadable upgrade to 33.6. They replaced it again, and the replacement was made later so I could perform the flash. The USR/Mhz has never had a problem, despite it's being bent from when a guest dropped it, then stepped on it. The modem made all sorts of fun crackly sounds, and remains creased to this day. But it's worked fine ever since. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 07:17:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA124571432; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:17:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07438; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:16:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07323; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07311; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86034-1>; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:15:50 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id NAA08634 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:15:30 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:53:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: DISPLAY FOR LINUX ON 760EL To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Subba Rao (subb3@ibm.net) wrote: > > I have a 760EL and have linux running on it. Those of you with > 760ELs, know that they have larger display areas. When I use > linux, all the display area is not utilized. An inch on each > side is left unused. ( Windows95 and OS/2 device drivers use > all the display area ). > > How can I get to use all the display area of console? The linux Hmmm... which display do you have? There are 800x600 DSTN (like mine), 800x600 TFT and 1024x768 TFT, if not more. > version is Redhat 2.0.29 and plan to switch to Slackware 2.0.33. This is irrelevant. The version of your X server is relevant instead. Make sure you use XFree86 3.3.1 (or maybe XSuse_Trident) with the Cyber9382/5 chips and the 9320 on external monitors, and 3.2 on the 9320 and the LCD. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 07:58:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA140373937; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:58:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08458; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:55:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08368; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08356; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 07:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA12070; Sun, 28 Dec 97 07:50:06 EST Date: Sun, 28 Dec 97 07:50:06 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9712281250.AA12070@nile.gnat.com> To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Travelstar 8GS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> That's just a press release about newly developed technology, no indication that the present tense is appropritae if you are talking about availability, my statement was about availability, and I do not understand why you said No when I said: <<> The largest drives available as far as I know are 5GB formatted (I am > talking 2.5" for thinkpads). >> Until you see a product number, something like this does not exist. Now I would be delighted to find out that you are right :-) Does someone indeed have a part number on the 8GB drive? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 08:35:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154016114; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:35:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09277; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:33:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09177; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cplus.cpis.net (cplus.cpis.net [206.155.217.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09165; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from wonwiije (1Cust113.tnt1.sumter.sc.da.uu.net [208.254.84.113]) by cplus.cpis.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA32384 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:40:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199712281340.IAA32384@cplus.cpis.net> From: "The Hildreths" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: change address still get posts? Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 06:44:38 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu how do i change my email address and still get the group posts? still find the group informative bh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 10:30:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA199753037; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:30:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10745; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:28:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10643; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10630; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 329 invoked from network); 28 Dec 1997 15:28:54 -0000 Received: from slip129-37-40-193.il.us.ibm.net (129.37.40.193) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 1997 15:28:54 -0000 From: mocek@enteract.com (Stan Mocek) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:39:32 GMT Reply-To: mocek@enteract.com Message-Id: <34a770cd.932872@smtp.enteract.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19971227232453.007de1a0@rust.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971227232453.007de1a0@rust.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:24:53 -0500, Bill wrote: >I have been using an xjack modem for over a year now with no problems. It >needs to go into the bottom slot. Also the phone cord needs to be folded >to one side because of the keyboard. In the top slot I have an ethernet >card xjack. I can only plug into the jack after the keyboard has been >opened. I like the ruggedness of the xjacks over a plug-in doungle. I've used a non-xjack modem in the past with no problems. I have found out though, 3Com, etal just don't seem to market the non-xjack modems - hard to find them in stores or on the web. Matter of fact, I have never see one in any of the stores around here. Did find a couple of refs to the CC1560 on DejaNews. If I use the bottom slot on my 701C, the dongle on the CDROM card in the top slot will interfere with it. Don't use the CDROM al the time, so maybe I'll just have to not use it when on line. Or maybe I'll have to order (if possible), the CC1560 directly from 3Com and pay list price. -- Stan Mocek mocek@enteract.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 10:36:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202553391; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:36:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11088; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:34:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10997; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10985; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU) by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01IRP8YKXUBKHSTMLD@Arizona.EDU>; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:34:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from d765 (cx-p.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.53]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA13363; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:33:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:34:31 +0000 From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: Travelstar 8GS In-Reply-To: <9712281250.AA12070@nile.gnat.com> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971228083431.01e6f960@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:50 AM 12/28/97 -0500, you wrote: ><http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/8gsprod.htm >>> > >That's just a press release about newly developed technology, no indication >that the present tense is appropritae if you are talking about availability, >my statement was about availability, and I do not understand why you said >No when I said: > ><<> The largest drives available as far as I know are 5GB formatted (I am >> talking 2.5" for thinkpads). >>> > >Until you see a product number, something like this does not exist. Now I >would be delighted to find out that you are right :-) Does someone indeed >have a part number on the 8GB drive? > > The IBM press release dated 15 Oct 97 discussing 3 billion bits per square inch and drives at that density had the following: "Availability date for OEM customers: December 97" when discussing the 8GS. also: "Travelstar 8GS will be available during the first quarter of 1998 as a stand-alone option for select notebook computers" The OEM part number appears to be DYLA-28100 for the 8GS and DYLA-2480 for the 6.48 GB version (4 platters instead of 5). I'm also interested if you find the IBM part number or FRU number and also if they will work in older (76X) Thinkpads. The 5 GB ones do with an appropriate BIOS upgrade. Stuart Stuart F. Biggar Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona PO Box 210094, Tucson AZ 85721-0094 Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 12:39:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253640785; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:39:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20984; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:36:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20855; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20843; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from compaq (slip166-72-209-20.ct.us.ibm.net [166.72.209.20]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA54494; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:36:02 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971228123536.006bf18c@pop4.ibm.net> X-Sender: usinet.wtombro@pop4.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:35:36 -0500 To: mocek@enteract.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "w.t.brown" Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C In-Reply-To: <34a548b7.13654457@smtp.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have very good results with the 3 Com/Megahertz XJ5560 which has \ 56k X2 Technology plus cellular phone capability. It has Xjack, but you could buy it from COMPUSA which will take it back within 10 days. Or, you can buy the 3 COM/Megahertz CC5560 which is the same thing without the Xjack. Having tried both types, I prefer the convenience of the X jack At 06:34 PM 12/27/97 GMT, Stan Mocek wrote: > >Has anyone found a decent x2 capable PCMCIA modem that *doesn't* have >an xjack? Seems like any x2 capable PCMCIA modems are only xjack. This >wouldn't be a problem for me, except that I use a 701C and have heard >of problems with the xjack because of the folding keyboard. > >I use 2 providers and they both have x2. Only one has k56Flex, so I >would like an x2 solution. In the meantime, I'm using my desktop's x2 >Sportser connected on the Multiport, but that's hardly a transportable >solution, and a pain in the butt to connect and reconnect when I >switch between machines. > > >-- >Stan Mocek >mocek@enteract.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 12:42:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254530927; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:42:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21260; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:40:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21165; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21153; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from compaq (slip166-72-209-20.ct.us.ibm.net [166.72.209.20]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA32194; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:40:42 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971228124017.006a4418@pop4.ibm.net> X-Sender: usinet.wtombro@pop4.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:40:17 -0500 To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "w.t.brown" Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C In-Reply-To: <34a83867.2945331@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199712280742.XAA20659@stevie.loop.com> <199712280742.XAA20659@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Stop worrying about an Xjack breaking. Its sturdy. Of course it can be broken but consider this: I had an Apex Data PC Card modem with a cable connection and after a while the connection didn't work from abuse and it had to be replaced. The Xjack is no worse that that for durability. At 11:35 AM 12/28/97 GMT, epbrown wrote: >On Sat, 27 Dec 97 23:43:51 , you wrote: >>But wouldn't the X-Jack have a higher likelihood of breaking? That has >>always been my impression, other than convience. > Nope, I've mistakenly stood up with an x-jack still connected, and >it's pulled the card from the laptop without hurting the jack. In >fact, I've had two problems with these in about 3 years, both >resulting in the modem replaced for free: > My PPI (now in a friend's possession) had the little copper wires >that connect to the phone break. This was apparently common for my >model at the time, and Practical Peripherals fixed it without batting >an eye. > Later, the jack in the modem wouldn't stay in, about a year later. >Worked fine, just would always stick out. I only sent it in because at >the time, my model was too old for the downloadable upgrade to 33.6. >They replaced it again, and the replacement was made later so I could >perform the flash. > The USR/Mhz has never had a problem, despite it's being bent from >when a guest dropped it, then stepped on it. The modem made all sorts >of fun crackly sounds, and remains creased to this day. But it's >worked fine ever since. > epbrown >Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, >editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. >http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown >Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 13:15:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA268582938; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:15:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21654; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:42:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21485; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21401; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from compaq (slip166-72-209-20.ct.us.ibm.net [166.72.209.20]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05746; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:42:28 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971228124202.006a495c@pop4.ibm.net> X-Sender: usinet.wtombro@pop4.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:42:02 -0500 To: mocek@enteract.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "w.t.brown" Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C In-Reply-To: <34a770cd.932872@smtp.enteract.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19971227232453.007de1a0@rust.net> <3.0.5.32.19971227232453.007de1a0@rust.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm pretty sure the CC models are available from COMPUSA DIRECT, look on their web site. And don't ever pay list price for them. At 03:39 PM 12/28/97 GMT, Stan Mocek wrote: >On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:24:53 -0500, Bill wrote: > >>I have been using an xjack modem for over a year now with no problems. It >>needs to go into the bottom slot. Also the phone cord needs to be folded >>to one side because of the keyboard. In the top slot I have an ethernet >>card xjack. I can only plug into the jack after the keyboard has been >>opened. I like the ruggedness of the xjacks over a plug-in doungle. > >I've used a non-xjack modem in the past with no problems. I have >found out though, 3Com, etal just don't seem to market the non-xjack >modems - hard to find them in stores or on the web. Matter of fact, I >have never see one in any of the stores around here. Did find a couple >of refs to the CC1560 on DejaNews. > >If I use the bottom slot on my 701C, the dongle on the CDROM card in >the top slot will interfere with it. Don't use the CDROM al the time, >so maybe I'll just have to not use it when on line. Or maybe I'll have >to order (if possible), the CC1560 directly from 3Com and pay list >price. > > >-- >Stan Mocek >mocek@enteract.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 13:43:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279964611; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:43:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23178; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:41:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23062; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from uluru.Stanford.EDU (uluru.Stanford.EDU [171.64.65.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23050; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from interran@localhost) by uluru.Stanford.EDU (8.7.6/8.7.1) id KAA22662; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:42:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:42:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712281842.KAA22662@uluru.Stanford.EDU> From: John Interrante To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34A60A46.1359@ftc-i.net> (message from Linn Skipper on Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:13:58 -0500) Subject: Re: H&A, 701c, osr2. Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:13:58 -0500, Linn Skipper said: > P.S. How did you know which files were needed?? just curious ;) I can't take credit for the work around. Somebody else came up with the idea and posted it to comp.sys.laptops. I didn't save the message but whoever thought of the work around must have known just enough information about how Windows 95 implements its PC card support to figure out which files needed to be replaced. Thanks to whoever he was! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 14:12:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA291826337; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:12:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23957; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:10:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23841; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23829; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA15656; Sun, 28 Dec 97 14:05:18 EST Date: Sun, 28 Dec 97 14:05:18 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9712281905.AA15656@nile.gnat.com> To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu, dewar@gnat.com Subject: Re: Travelstar 8GS Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <<"Availability date for OEM customers: December 97" when discussing the 8GS. also: "Travelstar 8GS will be available during the first quarter of 1998 as a stand-alone option for select notebook computers" >> OK, so both those announcements clearly say it is not available yet. First quarer will be the end of March, when IBM announces (and makes available a small number for the record) the Pentium II version of the Thinkpad. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 14:25:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297737152; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:25:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24526; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:24:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24415; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24402; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.39] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.229) with smtp for id ; Sun, 28 Dec 97 13:24:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:24:11 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: change address still get posts? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "The Hildreths" Sun, 28 Dec 1997 06:44:38 -0500  how do i change my email address and still get the group posts? Subscribe from your new address and unsubscribe (remove?) from your old address. Send email with the appropriate subject to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 12/28/97, 13:22:38 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 14:42:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA005778150; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:42:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25006; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:41:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24923; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24911; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 14:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts05.loop.net (p20.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.185]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA12350; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 11:33:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712281933.LAA12350@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Stuart F. Biggar" Date: Sun, 28 Dec 97 11:40:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Travelstar 8GS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:34:31 +0000, Stuart F. Biggar wrote: >At 07:50 AM 12/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >><>http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/8gsprod.htm >>>> >> >>That's just a press release about newly developed technology, no indication >>that the present tense is appropritae if you are talking about availability, >>my statement was about availability, and I do not understand why you said >>No when I said: >> >><<> The largest drives available as far as I know are 5GB formatted (I am >>> talking 2.5" for thinkpads). >>>> >> >>Until you see a product number, something like this does not exist. Now I >>would be delighted to find out that you are right :-) Does someone indeed >>have a part number on the 8GB drive? >> >> > >The IBM press release dated 15 Oct 97 discussing 3 billion bits per >square inch and drives at that density had the following: > >"Availability date for OEM customers: December 97" when discussing the 8GS. > >also: > >"Travelstar 8GS will be available during the first quarter of 1998 as a >stand-alone >option for select notebook computers" > >The OEM part number appears to be DYLA-28100 for the 8GS and DYLA-2480 for >the 6.48 >GB version (4 platters instead of 5). > >I'm also interested if you find the IBM part number or FRU number and also >if they >will work in older (76X) Thinkpads. The 5 GB ones do with an appropriate BIOS >upgrade. > I myself mind that so incredible that you can put 8 gigs into a 2.5" drive, where I still have WORKING 10MB drives (full height, BTW), and thought that 250MB when I got my 355C was HUGE! I also looked on their site to find a 14GB EIDE drive, too. Amazing what they come up with. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System Status: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 GO! v1.5 - (c) 1993-95 by Carsten Wimmer Uptime: 0d 2h 51m 1s 398ms From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 15:54:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA035812452; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:54:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26421; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:52:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26329; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26317; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6581 invoked from network); 28 Dec 1997 20:52:52 -0000 Received: from x2-53.d.enteract.com (207.229.149.197) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 1997 20:52:52 -0000 From: mocek@enteract.com (Stan Mocek) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 21:03:29 GMT Reply-To: mocek@enteract.com Message-Id: <34a7bd95.20592476@smtp.enteract.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19971227232453.007de1a0@rust.net> <3.0.5.32.19971227232453.007de1a0@rust.net> <3.0.3.32.19971228124202.006a495c@pop4.ibm.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971228124202.006a495c@pop4.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:42:02 -0500, w.t.brown wrote: >I'm pretty sure the CC models are available from COMPUSA DIRECT, look on their >web site. And don't ever pay list price for them. Yep, they are in fact listed at COMPUSA Direct - however, they are available for backorder only as opposed to the XJ1560, which are available for shipment. Thanks for the info, though, as they may be a source if I do have to wind up ordering one. -- Stan Mocek mocek@enteract.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 16:04:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039653059; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:04:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27064; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:03:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26984; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26972; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA16898; Sun, 28 Dec 97 15:58:06 EST Date: Sun, 28 Dec 97 15:58:06 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9712282058.AA16898@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, mocek@enteract.com Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> I suggest looking at www.insight.com. They have 56 listings of 56K PCMCIA products, many with and without xjack, with reasonable prices. One listing is at $200 without xjack, and they have about a thousand in stock when I looked. I have only used insight once (to buy my TP770, they had it in stock when no one else did, and delivered it immediately), and I was a satisfied customer. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 16:31:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA050754695; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:31:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28407; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:30:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28291; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28279; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from earth (hseaman@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.8.6) id PAA08303; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:30:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:30:15 -0600 (CST) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Paul Khoury Cc: Bill Bryan , "mocek@enteract.com" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: x2 PCMCIA modems for 701C In-Reply-To: <199712280742.XAA20659@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >I have been using an xjack modem for over a year now with no problems. It > >needs to go into the bottom slot. Also the phone cord needs to be folded > >to one side because of the keyboard. In the top slot I have an ethernet > >card xjack. I can only plug into the jack after the keyboard has been > >opened. I like the ruggedness of the xjacks over a plug-in doungle. > > > But wouldn't the X-Jack have a higher likelihood of breaking? That has > always been my impression, other than convience. > > Paul Regarding ruggedness of the x-jack connector, I can personally attest to it, though it's embarrasing... my 750c was pulled off a desk (won't say whose) by means of a foot (won't say whose) catching on the phone cord attached to the modem. Both the modem and the rest of the computer still play just fine. ..couldn't believe it. harry seaman hseaman@execpc.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 18:15:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA092480940; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:15:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00227; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:12:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29982; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29969; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17328; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:13:47 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] LCD Defect (was "Memory compatability") In-Reply-To: <34a791f8.11824207@smtp.enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Dec 1997, epbrown wrote: > someone else on the list will chime in? I will say that the > performance is superior to a Pentium 60 (they made them that slow?) > without a doubt, despite the lack of L2 cache. My TP560-120 benchmarks at close to the same speed of my 90MHz Pentium with 512K L2 cache. The lack of a L2 cache causes a significant performance penalty, but it still isn't too bad for what I do. A Pentium 90 is a little weak for a game machine by todays standards, but it is still a great work machine if given adequate RAM. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 18:43:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103592624; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:43:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01086; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:42:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00935; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00922; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86019-2>; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 00:42:07 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id AAA12934 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 00:41:44 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 22:55:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: change address still get posts? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Hildreths (behildre@cpis.net) wrote: > how do i change my email address and still get the group posts? - resubscribe with your new address and unsubscribe your old one. - set up something like .forward (if you are a Unix user) pointing to your new address. - ask your old sysadmin to set up a mail alias for you, pointing to yout new address. If you change providers, he is more than unlikely to proceed. - use a general mail alias which you shift from one real address to the other. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 19:32:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123415570; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 19:32:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02264; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 19:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 19:30:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02091; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 19:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu6.psi.com (uu6.psi.com [38.145.155.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02079; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 19:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from designcraft.com by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA28978 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 28 Dec 97 19:30:45 -0500 Received: from dyn-max20-196.chicago.il.ameritech.net by dccomm.designcraft.com id aa08021; 28 Dec 97 18:26 CST Received: by abtp with Microsoft Mail id <01BD13BE.39CA11A0@abtp>; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:27:17 -0600 Message-Id: <01BD13BE.39CA11A0@abtp> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'uscmikey@bigfoot.com'" Subject: RE: 755cd mwave win95 setup Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:27:09 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Michael, If your starting from scratch see if you can get a hold of Win95 OSR2. = I've had far less trouble with it compared to my Win3.11 upgrade to = Win95 installation. From the IBM website you'll need: 1. The MSCDEX CDROM driver to install Win95 from CD. You probably = already have this. 2. Thinkpad features, 2 disks. 3. Mwave for Win95, 3 disks. Mwave for DOS if you might boot there. The MWAVE installation is less tedious with Win95. Although two = irriating things haven't changed since you loaded it last. You still = need to pull out the floppy drive to load the above IBM distributed = stuff. But worse, Mwave 2.25 is still crap. Its finicky on phone line = quality producing non-robust connection drops. The 33.6 speed (not 28.8) = disables Mwave sound. The CPU drag when the Mwave modem is in use is = very noticable. I think the Mwave modem was designed for use with a = terminal or fax program, not a PPP stack and internet apps. I = recommend a PCMCIA modem. I can only comment on Mwave performance in = Win31 and 95. You also asked about OS/2. Anyone know if Mwave modems = have this behavior in OS/2? about a year or so ago, i sent to this list some detailed instructions on setting up an mwave thinkpad from scratch to win95 at 28.8. does anybody still have that, or instructions of their own? (i assume the mwave is at 33.6 by now, and i assume the process is still more tedious than it should be) i left my sysadmin job (and this list) about 8 months ago, so i no longer maintain a fleet of thinkpads. now i'm a student again, and i just bought a used 755cd from my former employer-- one that i used to work on, in fact, but it's stripped and they've lost both my documentation, and my driver disks. i don't have any of my old bookmarks, so i'd also like to know where i can d/l the latest drivers. also, about the time i left this list, people were starting to talk about osr2-- what works, what doesn't work on the tp's. i'm setting this up from scratch, so i'd like to go ahead & run osr2 since it's on my desktop and i like a lot of the features. any bumps in the road i can expect on the tp? thanks in advance. --=20 Michael J. Verne uscmikey@bigfoot.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Dec 28 21:01:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159080908; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 21:01:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04193; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 21:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:59:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04039; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04024; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from fr251.izap.com ([207.211.45.251]:36107 "EHLO izap.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by shell.izap.com with ESMTP id <229630-18310>; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:59:08 -0800 Message-Id: <34A6DBD9.C8D45C39@izap.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:08:10 -0500 From: Josh Reply-To: jg@izap.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Being a *former* TP 500 Owner I became obsessed with "Small Footprint" Notebooks (sold TP500 got a PC110)... Was curious if anybody had ever played with the Thinkpad 535? It is about the same size as a TP500 / 510CS but a full featured Pentium but its is a Japanese model... jg@izap.com. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 29 07:11:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA109197483; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:11:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19910; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:09:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19755; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19743; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU) by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01IRQG32LQV4HSTSME@Arizona.EDU>; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from d765 (cx-p.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.53]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA15088; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:09:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:08:56 +0000 From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: RE: 755cd mwave win95 setup In-Reply-To: <01BD13BE.39CA11A0@abtp> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: uscmikey@bigfoot.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971229050856.01e68880@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My experience with Mwave has not been as bad. I am currently running NT 4 (SP-3) on a 765D using the current Mwave NT driver (along with the NT power management stuff from IBM). Mwave also seems to work fine after suspend/resume and hibernate cycles under NT (that didn't work under the preload Win95 that came on the 765D and that was one of many reasons I went to NT on the 765D). I have never had a connection drop if it was established and this includes long distance calls when traveling such as from a hotel in Japan to my office in Tucson Arizona. Previously I used Mwave with a 755CX under OS/2 Warp (mostly current FixPacks and most current Mwave for OS/2 drivers). Always had good luck there also. I did have a few connection drops at first but that turned out to be when water got into my home phone line during construction of the house next door - hasn't happened since I convinced a US West repairperson to look at and then fix my connection at the box on the street (the repair people on the phone would NOT do anything). Since then I have no drops. I normally dial a PPP server at work (10 miles and at least two US Worst switches away). Server is a Sun running Solaris with the bundled PPP. I must say that I don't normally use sound except for when some error triggers something. Also each machine has maximum RAM (40 for the 755CX and 104 for the 765D). One other thing to note about Mwave as compared to two different PCMCIA modems: I have never gotten an overrun on the Mwave (that I know of) but get them transferring binary files under Warp and Sun Solaris x86 (on either notebook) using PCMCIA. In each case some protocol in the signal chain notes the problem and the packet(s) are retransmitted and the files are OK. It may happen under NT but I don't know if (or how) I would find out if there was a problem. Under Solaris, overruns are noted in the "console" window and under Warp the error shows up in the "Dial Other Internet Provider" app window. Just my $0.02. Good luck, Stuart At 06:27 PM 12/28/97 -0600, you wrote: >Michael, > If your starting from scratch see if you can get a hold of Win95 OSR2. I've had far less trouble with it compared to my Win3.11 upgrade to Win95 installation. > From the IBM website you'll need: >1. The MSCDEX CDROM driver to install Win95 from CD. You probably already have this. >2. Thinkpad features, 2 disks. >3. Mwave for Win95, 3 disks. Mwave for DOS if you might boot there. > > The MWAVE installation is less tedious with Win95. Although two irriating things haven't changed since you loaded it last. You still need to pull out the floppy drive to load the above IBM distributed stuff. But worse, Mwave 2.25 is still crap. Its finicky on phone line quality producing non-robust connection drops. The 33.6 speed (not 28.8) disables Mwave sound. The CPU drag when the Mwave modem is in use is very noticable. I think the Mwave modem was designed for use with a terminal or fax program, not a PPP stack and internet apps. I recommend a PCMCIA modem. I can only comment on Mwave performance in Win31 and 95. You also asked about OS/2. Anyone know if Mwave modems have this behavior in OS/2? Stuart F. Biggar Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona PO Box 210094, Tucson AZ 85721-0094 Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 30 07:03:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA149403388; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:03:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29928; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:00:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29705; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29673; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 06:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) id LAA006.86; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:53:31 GMT Message-Id: <199712301153.LAA006.86@bradnet> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 97 11:53:29 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: TP760C & Warp 4 & 256 colours To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm a new ThinkPad user and am hoping to get some help in configuring my 760C to use the correct screen drivers under Warp 4. There seem to be quite a number of files related to getting the correct display drivers working, but I haven't had any success so far... In a file called VG760102.TXT, it mentions:- 11. Install the SVGA (800x600 or more with 256 colors or more) video mode driver using the "ThinkPad Video Features Diskette for OS/2." Does anyone have a filename for this diskette image? I assume it's available from:- ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles Could anyone who has installed Warp 4 let me know which *.DSC files they have in c:\os2\install. I suspect that my initial installation may not have worked properly... Many thanks, -- John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 30 12:00:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275331229; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:00:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10973; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:58:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10779; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10767; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25484; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:59:19 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: John Poltorak Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760C & Warp 4 & 256 colours In-Reply-To: <199712301153.LAA006.86@bradnet> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, John Poltorak wrote: > 11. Install the SVGA (800x600 or more with 256 colors or more) video > mode driver using the "ThinkPad Video Features Diskette for OS/2." > > Does anyone have a filename for this diskette image? I assume it's > available from:- > > ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles Try.. http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support?page=IBM%2BThinkPad%257CThinkPad%2B760&x=22&y=9 or http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support?page=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+760;doctype=Downloadable+files#documents ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 30 13:05:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004745111; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:05:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13745; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:02:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13614; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13601; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id MAA29867 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:00:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34A937AD.1FFC@anet-dfw.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:04:29 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Am I doing something wrong with my ATA HD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've talked with a few folks here about trouble I'm having with installing my PCMCIA hard disk on my ThinkPad 360PE. There's something really screwy going on and I wonder if anybody has seen something like this. The drive is brand new, but I'm starting to think it's already crashed or something. Either that, or I'm missing a driver I don't know about. Drive model.......40MB Western Digital Caviar CU-140 Card software.....PhoenixCard Manager Plus v3.01 for PC DOS (Includes IBM card mgr v3.01) Utility version...Phoenix PCMFDisk version 1.0 When I install PCM (PhoenixCard Manager) "fresh" (only the hard disk in the slot) it says it found a Ricoh RF5C266/RF5C366 controler. That sounds odd, but maybe Western Digital used a Ricoh controler? First of all, I tell PCM that I have 2 sockets. I don't have a docking station. On the setup screen there are some parameters I don't understand: CIS window address (range C000-EF00h) I've been using DF00 Token ring speed (range 4-16) I've been using 4 Card settle time (ms) (range 1-1000) I've been using 660 I don't know what this "card settle time" is for. I'm pretty certain that there aren't any IRQ or memory conflicts. THE PROBLEM ----------- Note: I am running only DOS for the following: When I first got the Western Digital drive, I plugged it in, loaded the PCM software, rebooted, ran PCMFDisk, rebooted, then ran a regular DOS FORMAT on the drive. It formatted without errors. I prompty copied several files to it to give it a quick test. Then if I just try reading the files (COPY *.* NUL) I copied, DOS soon returns a "General Failure reading D:" error. I can do a binary compare (using FC.EXE) on the files and the ones that it can read pass okay. So then I tried running ScanDisk and Norton Disk Doctor. Neither of them know how to address the drive. Then I tried CHKDSK. It tells me there are all kinds of problems with the FAT. I try fixing it, but it has trouble writing to the drive. Sigh... So I thought maybe I should just repartition the drive and try again. I go through the whole process again, but when I get to FORMAT, it returns: Formatting 40.66MB... Invalid Media or Track 0 Bad I know that error. On any normal hard disk, this means the media is bad (or maybe a head crash). Then I do a DIR on the drive and there's all my files as before! That's strange! PCMFDISK should have wiped it all out, not to mention FORMAT, right? Okay, so I remove all memory managers et. al. and try rebooting several times. Same thing every time. But here's what's really got me scratching my head. When I first boot and do a DIR D: I get "Invalid Media" which is what you'd get on a non-formatted disk. Then I try FORMAT and get the "Track 0 bad" error. ONCE I HAVE DONE THIS I CAN READ THE DRIVE AGAIN. It's like FORMAT is sending a yoohoo to the drive that kicks it on or something. This is the first time I've tried installing a PCMCIA card of any kind. I'm a programmer and have built literally hundreds of desktops over the years, but I don't know what's going on with this PCMCIA business. Of course, I don't have the original Phoenix software. It came installed on the notebook when I bought it (used). Could I be missing a file of some kind? Please help, or at least loan me a bazooka or flame thrower! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 30 15:02:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058372172; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:02:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18091; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:59:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17925; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17903; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts11.loop.net (p21.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.126]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA29059; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:56:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712301956.LAA29059@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 97 11:58:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP760C & Warp 4 & 256 colours Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Dec 97 11:53:29 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >Hi, > >I'm a new ThinkPad user and am hoping to get some help in configuring >my 760C to use the correct screen drivers under Warp 4. > >There seem to be quite a number of files related to getting the >correct display drivers working, but I haven't had any success so >far... > >In a file called VG760102.TXT, it mentions:- > >11. Install the SVGA (800x600 or more with 256 colors or more) video > mode driver using the "ThinkPad Video Features Diskette for OS/2." > > >Does anyone have a filename for this diskette image? I assume it's >available from:- > >ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles > >Could anyone who has installed Warp 4 let me know which *.DSC files >they have in c:\os2\install. I suspect that my initial installation >may not have worked properly... > John, try checking out http://www.warpedthinkpads.simplenet.com, there should be instructions there on how to install Warp 4 on the 760, which would include which video drivers to get. Good luck, Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 30 Processes with 97 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 18h 0m 9s 898ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 30 16:09:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087546148; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:09:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21077; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:07:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20963; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-2.tiac.net (mail-out-2.tiac.net [199.0.65.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20950; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.tc15.metro.MA.tiac.com (p24.tc15.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.78.153]) by mail-out-2.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00321 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:08:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ingerman@cs2.com) Received: by p24.tc15.metro.MA.tiac.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD153C.A8089E00@p24.tc15.metro.MA.tiac.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:04:49 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD153C.A8089E00@p24.tc15.metro.MA.tiac.com> From: "Mark M. Ingerman" To: "'Thinkpad'" Subject: unsubscribe. Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:59:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please remove me from the list. ingerman@cs2.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 30 16:19:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA093036741; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:19:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21841; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:17:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21716; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21694; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts11.loop.net (p21.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.126]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA06267; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:14:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712302114.NAA06267@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mark M. Ingerman" , "Thinkpad" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 97 13:16:31 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: unsubscribe. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:59:36 -0500, Mark M. Ingerman wrote: >Please remove me from the list. > >ingerman@cs2.com > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu In the body, type: unsubscribe ingerman@cs2.com These instructions are also provided in the headers. Regards, Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 30 Processes with 96 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 18h 40m 38s 468ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 10:51:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA266773502; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:51:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23563; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:47:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23271; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23259; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-36.usc.edu [128.125.223.180]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA12104 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:47:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971231073204.011d89d8@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:32:11 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: UPDATE: 701 Upgrade by PEP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello All, Lest you all forget (and I apologize for the length of time this took), we were doing benchmark testing on a 701C with a CPU upgrade by PEP (Portable Enhancement Products). I just completed the "after upgrade" benchmarks and will post the highlights shortly. I'll also send a more complete Excel sheet with the results to compare with to Emmanuel Brown, who said he would put it up on his site. I'll leave it to him to let you all know the how's & where's of the details. Stay tuned... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 12:00:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA296747638; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:00:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26741; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:58:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26464; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26452; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA16745 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:59:22 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:06:47 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F01017707C@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: TP 701 batteries Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:56:43 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have been unable to figure out the error beeps I get when I have a battery in my 701C. Before the machine even POSTs I get three short beeps and it apparently powers off. I get the same result with a NiMH and a NiCad battery. It boot fine with the AC adapter and no battery. My guess would be that both batteries are completely dead and can't be charged, but I hope I'm wrong! Anyone have any knowledge of this particular error code? Thanks, Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 13:11:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030731866; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:11:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29642; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:09:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29537; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29525; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from caesar.turi.com (subb3@slip166-72-112-43.mi.us.ibm.net [166.72.112.43]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA33704 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:09:07 GMT Received: (from subb3@localhost) by caesar.turi.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA00408 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:14:43 -0500 From: Subba Rao Message-Id: <199712311814.NAA00408@caesar.turi.com> Subject: Rock Ridge Extensions, CDROM and 760EL To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:14:43 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a IBM Thinkpad 760EL and am trying to install Linux on it. I have DOS partition and installed the CDROM driver for the DOS 5.0 I do not have a problem reading the Slackware CDs on my other PCs. I do not have a problem reading MSDOS based CDROMS in my Thinkpad. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM, trying to read the Slackware Linux CD in my Thinkpad. ( The CD uses Rock Ridge extensions if it is of any help. ) I turned to IBM, they could not figure out the problem. I using their latest CD driver. Does this have anything to do with ISO9660 format? How can I make it work? Any info or pointers greatly appreciated. Thank you. Subba Rao -- subb3@ibm.net --------------------------------------------------------- Internet Addiction - The Next Frontier of Pop Psychology. Awareness is the cure. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 13:20:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA034942399; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:19:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00533; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:18:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00341; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00322; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-20.usc.edu [128.125.224.20]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA28315 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:18:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971231100312.0073d3e0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:03:20 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just sent an Excel file with all of the Winstone and Winbench Test results to Emanuel Brown, who I'm sure will get this set up on his web page for all to see. That also includes my own benchmarking of my P120-based ThinkPad 560 as well as my desktop Pentium Pro 200 for your comparison. Please note that there are some Winstone scores that just won't show up. For some reason, there are certain tests that my 701 just *won't* complete--it hangs on the Netscape Navigator test and the PowerPoint 97 test, in particular. Unfortunately, this in turn messes up some of the overall test scores because it fails in these areas. Until Emanuel can set that up and you can get over to see those, I thought I could pass along the results of some of the "simpler" tests--that of Norton System Information (2.0--included in Norton Utils for Windows 2.0) and Wintune 95. The "Stock" 701C yielded a Norton SI score of 4.0. The SI score after the upgrade was 6.7. For comparison, a "typical" (I presume desktop) 386SX-16 serves as the baseline at 1.0. A 486-33 (I presume desktop) is a 5.9, and a Pentium 90 is 20.4. That gives you some idea of what Nortn SI thinks of the upgrade. Keep in mind this is a CPU-only benchmark. Please note that the following is *exactly* what the benchmark reports. In particular, the AMD 486 thing. Supposedly, this new CPU is an AMD "Enhanced"5x86, but no, that doesn't make it a Pentium. The benchmark apparently isn't fooled either--they see it as a 486 at 100 MHz. Basically it appears to be a clock-quadrupled (as opposed to tripled, as is the stock CPU in the 701) 25-MHz-based 486, plus the added advantage of AMD's floating-point math-coprocessor being extra fast (you can see that in the Whetstone score below). For Wintune 95, here's the details: Upgraded 701C Stock 701C -------------- --------------- CPU AMD 486 Intel 486DX4 Clock 100 MHz 75 MHz Dhrystone 36 MIPS 25 MIPS Whetstone 16 MFLOPS 6.9 MFLOPS Video Speed 2.9 MP/s 2.1 MP/s C: Cached Speed 4.4 MB/s 4.7 MB/s C: Uncached " 1.1 MB/s 1.1 MB/s RAM Read Avg. 84 MB/s 70 MB/s RAM Write Avg. 28 MB/s 30 MB/s RAM Copy Avg. 15 MB/s 13 MB/s If you just *can't* wait for Mr. Brown to put up the Excel file with the Winstone and Winbench scores on his web page, upon request I can send you the Excel file. Just let me know in private E-mail. I am reluctant to just send the file to the list because not everyone wants to or cares to see it. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 14:00:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052994812; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:00:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02338; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:59:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02246; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (quartz.nbnet.nb.ca [198.164.200.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02221; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [156.34.44.1] by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 607-42492U60000L60000S0) with ESMTP id AAA2601 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:58:26 -0400 X-Sender: mckenzie@academic.stu.stthomasu.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:02:53 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Doug McKenzie-Mohr Subject: 770 and video input Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am considering purchasing a 770 and am wondering about its video input capabilities (with the video module installed). I spoke with a sales rep but really got no sense of how well you can capture video and play it back (with sound of course). Any comments would be greatly appreciated. I'd also like to know what formats it captures in and at what frame rates. Thanks, Doug From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 14:14:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA059825683; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:14:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03234; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:12:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03054; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03042; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls-tp760c-4.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA04211; Wed, 31 Dec 97 14:12:46 EST Message-Id: <34AA9925.AC7F774D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:12:37 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Doug McKenzie-Mohr Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 and video input References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just played a little bit with the video capture on my 770 the other night. I was able to capture 160x120 at 30fps. I'm not sure how many bits of color it was using. I wasn't able to increase the resolution and maintain 30fps without getting dropping frames. There are a few different video format options and audio format options in the Asymmetrix Digital Video Producer (DVP) capture program, although you can't seem to compress while capturing. Once captured and run through the DVP editor, you can dump out in more formats (with compression), although it seems you can only generate different flavors of .avi files (i.e., you can' t seem to create MPEG). You can play things back full-screen, and you can even watch the incoming video live at full-screen in overlay mode, but I'm not sure what the capturing limits really are at this point. Let me again say that I am not fully experienced with the video capabilities of the 770, so I might be selling it a bit short. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 14:16:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA060505772; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:16:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03597; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:14:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03363; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03272; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts05.loop.net (pkhoury@p19.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.184]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA28338 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:06:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712311906.LAA28338@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "TP List" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 97 11:13:34 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: UPDATE: 701 Upgrade by PEP Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:32:11 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >Hello All, > >Lest you all forget (and I apologize for the length of time this took), we >were doing benchmark testing on a 701C with a CPU upgrade by PEP (Portable >Enhancement Products). I was wondering what happened, because I haven't heard anything for a LONG time. Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 32 Processes with 114 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 8h 4m 18s 492ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 14:37:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070727059; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:37:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04486; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:30:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04287; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04273; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from p06.hwts10.loop.net (pkhoury@p06.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.81]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA28789; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:22:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712311922.LAA28789@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 97 11:29:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 701 batteries Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:56:43 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi, >I have been unable to figure out the error beeps I get when I have a >battery in my 701C. Before the machine even POSTs I get three short beeps >and it apparently powers off. I get the same result with a NiMH and a >NiCad battery. It boot fine with the AC adapter and no battery. My guess >would be that both batteries are completely dead and can't be charged, but >I hope I'm wrong! Anyone have any knowledge of this particular error code? Yup, it means the battery is dead, and until you use a fresh battery or AC power, you won't be able to start up the machine. Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 32 Processes with 114 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 17h 18m 59s 210ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 14:49:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA076287763; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:49:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05050; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:43:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04969; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04951; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05543; Wed, 31 Dec 97 14:37:34 EST Date: Wed, 31 Dec 97 14:37:34 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9712311937.AA05543@nile.gnat.com> To: mckenzie@stthomasu.ca, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 and video input Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu by the way, the top of the line 770 comes with the video module already there. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 18:49:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185452148; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:49:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12279; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:47:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12150; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12135; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from gmo (ppp-39.shadow.net [209.4.38.59]) by mail.shadow.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21265; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:49:26 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd1646$ba952420$LocalHost@gmo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu All these numbers are too technical for me. My question is: Is it worth the money for the upgrade? Geo, out. -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle To: TP List Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 1:22 PM Subject: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results > >I just sent an Excel file with all of the Winstone and Winbench Test >results to Emanuel Brown, who I'm sure will get this set up on his web page >for all to see. That also includes my own benchmarking of my P120-based >ThinkPad 560 as well as my desktop Pentium Pro 200 for your comparison. > >Please note that there are some Winstone scores that just won't show up. >For some reason, there are certain tests that my 701 just *won't* >complete--it hangs on the Netscape Navigator test and the PowerPoint 97 >test, in particular. Unfortunately, this in turn messes up some of the >overall test scores because it fails in these areas. > >Until Emanuel can set that up and you can get over to see those, I thought >I could pass along the results of some of the "simpler" tests--that of >Norton System Information (2.0--included in Norton Utils for Windows 2.0) >and Wintune 95. > >The "Stock" 701C yielded a Norton SI score of 4.0. The SI score after the >upgrade was 6.7. For comparison, a "typical" (I presume desktop) 386SX-16 >serves as the baseline at 1.0. A 486-33 (I presume desktop) is a 5.9, and >a Pentium 90 is 20.4. That gives you some idea of what Nortn SI thinks of >the upgrade. Keep in mind this is a CPU-only benchmark. > >Please note that the following is *exactly* what the benchmark reports. In >particular, the AMD 486 thing. Supposedly, this new CPU is an AMD >"Enhanced"5x86, but no, that doesn't make it a Pentium. The benchmark >apparently isn't fooled either--they see it as a 486 at 100 MHz. Basically >it appears to be a clock-quadrupled (as opposed to tripled, as is the stock >CPU in the 701) 25-MHz-based 486, plus the added advantage of AMD's >floating-point math-coprocessor being extra fast (you can see that in the >Whetstone score below). > >For Wintune 95, here's the details: > > > Upgraded 701C Stock 701C > -------------- --------------- >CPU AMD 486 Intel 486DX4 >Clock 100 MHz 75 MHz >Dhrystone 36 MIPS 25 MIPS >Whetstone 16 MFLOPS 6.9 MFLOPS >Video Speed 2.9 MP/s 2.1 MP/s >C: Cached Speed 4.4 MB/s 4.7 MB/s >C: Uncached " 1.1 MB/s 1.1 MB/s >RAM Read Avg. 84 MB/s 70 MB/s >RAM Write Avg. 28 MB/s 30 MB/s >RAM Copy Avg. 15 MB/s 13 MB/s > > >If you just *can't* wait for Mr. Brown to put up the Excel file with the >Winstone and Winbench scores on his web page, upon request I can send you >the Excel file. Just let me know in private E-mail. I am reluctant to >just send the file to the list because not everyone wants to or cares to >see it. > > >------- >Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >Director, Electronic Commerce Program >Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 20:11:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223067061; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:11:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14589; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:09:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14459; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from wolfenet.com (ratty.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14447; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from peter-lewis (sea-ts1-p46.wolfenet.com [204.157.98.100]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26828; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:09:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801010109.RAA26828@wolfenet.com> X-Sender: pele@popserv.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:09:24 -0800 To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" , "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" From: Peter Lewis Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results In-Reply-To: <01bd1646$ba952420$LocalHost@gmo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Excellent question Geo, and I'm with you re the significance of these (to me) unintelligible numbers. No doubt, though, instead of a simple "yes" or "no," most who answer your question will say something along the lines of: "It depends on what you want the machine to do." Personally, I'd say that unless you're writing space shuttle code, don't upgrade. Peter At 06:49 PM 12/31/97 -0500, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >All these numbers are too technical for me. My question is: Is it worth >the money for the upgrade? > >Geo, out. >-----Original Message----- >From: Randal Whittle >To: TP List >Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 1:22 PM >Subject: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results > > >> >>I just sent an Excel file with all of the Winstone and Winbench Test >>results to Emanuel Brown, who I'm sure will get this set up on his web page >>for all to see. That also includes my own benchmarking of my P120-based >>ThinkPad 560 as well as my desktop Pentium Pro 200 for your comparison. >> >>Please note that there are some Winstone scores that just won't show up. >>For some reason, there are certain tests that my 701 just *won't* >>complete--it hangs on the Netscape Navigator test and the PowerPoint 97 >>test, in particular. Unfortunately, this in turn messes up some of the >>overall test scores because it fails in these areas. >> >>Until Emanuel can set that up and you can get over to see those, I thought >>I could pass along the results of some of the "simpler" tests--that of >>Norton System Information (2.0--included in Norton Utils for Windows 2.0) >>and Wintune 95. >> >>The "Stock" 701C yielded a Norton SI score of 4.0. The SI score after the >>upgrade was 6.7. For comparison, a "typical" (I presume desktop) 386SX-16 >>serves as the baseline at 1.0. A 486-33 (I presume desktop) is a 5.9, and >>a Pentium 90 is 20.4. That gives you some idea of what Nortn SI thinks of >>the upgrade. Keep in mind this is a CPU-only benchmark. >> >>Please note that the following is *exactly* what the benchmark reports. In >>particular, the AMD 486 thing. Supposedly, this new CPU is an AMD >>"Enhanced"5x86, but no, that doesn't make it a Pentium. The benchmark >>apparently isn't fooled either--they see it as a 486 at 100 MHz. Basically >>it appears to be a clock-quadrupled (as opposed to tripled, as is the stock >>CPU in the 701) 25-MHz-based 486, plus the added advantage of AMD's >>floating-point math-coprocessor being extra fast (you can see that in the >>Whetstone score below). >> >>For Wintune 95, here's the details: >> >> >> Upgraded 701C Stock 701C >> -------------- --------------- >>CPU AMD 486 Intel 486DX4 >>Clock 100 MHz 75 MHz >>Dhrystone 36 MIPS 25 MIPS >>Whetstone 16 MFLOPS 6.9 MFLOPS >>Video Speed 2.9 MP/s 2.1 MP/s >>C: Cached Speed 4.4 MB/s 4.7 MB/s >>C: Uncached " 1.1 MB/s 1.1 MB/s >>RAM Read Avg. 84 MB/s 70 MB/s >>RAM Write Avg. 28 MB/s 30 MB/s >>RAM Copy Avg. 15 MB/s 13 MB/s >> >> >>If you just *can't* wait for Mr. Brown to put up the Excel file with the >>Winstone and Winbench scores on his web page, upon request I can send you >>the Excel file. Just let me know in private E-mail. I am reluctant to >>just send the file to the list because not everyone wants to or cares to >>see it. >> >> >>------- >>Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >>Director, Electronic Commerce Program >>Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > -- Peter Lewis pele@wolfenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 31 23:29:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA008398968; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:29:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17841; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:22:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17600; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17588; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from p00.hwts09.loop.net (pkhoury@p00.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.45]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA17072; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:15:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801010415.UAA17072@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "RC564 List" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 97 20:22:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Happy New Year Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year. 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