From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 1 02:23:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045626186; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:23:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01821; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:22:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:20:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01677; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:20:27 -0400 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01660; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:20:23 -0400 Received: from pool037-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool037-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.187]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01633; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706010619.XAA01633@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "tom@act.ca" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 31 May 97 23:20:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 Hard drive/caddy Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 29 May 1997 16:55:24 +0000, Tom Trottier wrote: >... You're living in the past... - check your system date. > Thanks for telling me. I think EasyServe must have changed it or something. I have to admit that I got a lot of publicity regarding the date error. TIA, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 1 12:54:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204754066; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:54:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19765; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:53:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:50:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19615; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:50:58 -0400 Received: from evelyn.acs.psu.edu (evelyn.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.103]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19605; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:50:56 -0400 Received: by evelyn.acs.psu.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/28Jun94-0252AM) id AA10991; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:50:54 -0400 From: Brian Katz Message-Id: <9706011650.AA10991@evelyn.acs.psu.edu> Subject: CD-ROM suggestions To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:50:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am looking to get a CD-ROM for my TP701 and was wondering what suggestions people had and what ones I should possibly avoid. I am running Warp 3.0 now, but will VERY soon be moving to Warp 4.0. Any advice appreciated... I am on a budget, so nothing about 10x units. I basically want it for installing software, listening to music while I travel, and reading some journals that are published on CD, so incredible speed is not necessary. -Brian -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 1 13:16:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210485408; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:16:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20399; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:16:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:15:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20324; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:15:55 -0400 Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20313; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:15:52 -0400 Received: from stork.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:15:16 +0100 Received: from merlin.ukc.ac.uk by stork.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id SAA26597; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:15:15 +0100 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:15:15 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F.Hewlett" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: video in on Dock1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a dock-1 with a video-in connector on it. Can I plug the output from another computer's VGA or SVGA card in and use the Thinkpad's screen (640x480 10.5" TFT on TP755c) as the display for this other machine? If so, where do I get the lead and what happens if I accidentally 'over-drive' the LCD - i.e. try and force it to run at a higher resolution than it is capable of e.g. 800x600? TIA, Angus. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 1 15:00:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236711635; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:00:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22947; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:59:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:57:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22827; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:57:36 -0400 Received: from sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de (sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de [130.183.1.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22816; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:57:21 -0400 Received: from mpqibmr1.mpq.mpg.de (mpqibmr1.mpq.mpg.de [130.183.90.50]) by sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA56693 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:57:22 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:57:22 +0200 (MESZ) From: Chris Bednar X-Sender: cjb@mpqibmr1.mpq.mpg.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Status: Linux install on 701C In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > - Successfully access my SCSI Zip drive. I guess Card Services sees your Adaptec card, since you used it for the install? Assuming it does, you should see some lines like ... kernel: scsi0 : Adaptec 152x SCSI driver; $Revision: 1.17 $ ... kernel: scsi : 1 host. ... kernel: Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: D.09 ... kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 ... kernel: Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0 ... kernel: sda: sda4 in /var/log/messages, if you have a DOS-format Zip in the drive. Then, assuming you have a directory /zip, mount -t msdos /dev/sda4 /zip will mount it there. If Card Services don't work, you might need to look at /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia, and make sure it has things like PCMCIA=yes PCIC=i82365 in it, and you might need exclude irq 12 # PS/2 Mouse - CJB, 26.9.96 exclude irq 5 # ESS AudioDrive in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts to keep pc-cards from trying to use interrupts that other devices want. > - Successfully mount my floppy. mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy doesn't work? Some models needed the floppy=thinkpad Lilo/Loadlin boot option... substitute ext2 for msdog if you have a Linux floppy on your hands. > - Test my audio Much more difficult. Have to build a new kernel, with audio support. Best to learn to mount disks first, I think. Anyway, some info in this might be specific to my TP760LD, but other TP's I've wokred with seem to need the same things. Delighted to see more TP Linuxheads out there! ---- Chris Bednar - Budding Quantum Optician, Quantum Fundamentalist But really, baby, I'm not like the other theorists! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 1 15:06:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238301995; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:06:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23502; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:05:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:05:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23428; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:05:23 -0400 Received: from sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de (sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de [130.183.1.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23411; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:05:15 -0400 Received: from mpqibmr1.mpq.mpg.de (mpqibmr1.mpq.mpg.de [130.183.90.50]) by sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA66761 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:05:15 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:05:15 +0200 (MESZ) From: Chris Bednar X-Sender: cjb@mpqibmr1.mpq.mpg.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Status: Linux install on 701 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > - Successfully access my SCSI Zip drive. I guess Card Services sees your Adaptec card, since you used it for the install? Assuming it does, you should see some lines like ... kernel: scsi0 : Adaptec 152x SCSI driver; $Revision: 1.17 $ ... kernel: scsi : 1 host. ... kernel: Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: D.09 ... kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 ... kernel: Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0 ... kernel: sda: sda4 in /var/log/messages, if you have a DOS-format Zip in the drive. Then, assuming you have a directory /zip, mount -t msdos /dev/sda4 /zip will mount it there. If Card Services don't work, you might need to look at /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia, and make sure it has things like PCMCIA=yes PCIC=i82365 in it, and you might need exclude irq 12 # PS/2 Mouse - CJB, 26.9.96 exclude irq 5 # ESS AudioDrive in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts to keep pc-cards from trying to use interrupts that other devices want. > - Successfully mount my floppy. mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy doesn't work? Some models needed the floppy=thinkpad Lilo/Loadlin boot option... substitute ext2 for msdog if you have a Linux floppy on your hands. > - Test my audio Much more difficult. Have to build a new kernel, with audio support. Best to learn to mount disks first, I think. Anyway, some info in this might be specific to my TP760LD, but other TP's I've wokred with seem to need the same things. Delighted to see more TP Linuxheads out there! ---- Chris Bednar - Budding Quantum Optician, Quantum Fundamentalist But really, baby, I'm not like the other theorists! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 1 17:20:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA273540000; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:20:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26163; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:19:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:17:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26068; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:17:56 -0400 Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26058; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:17:53 -0400 Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA69018; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:13:48 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BC6EAF.2EE19880@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:13:54 -0500 Message-Id: <01BC6EAF.2EE19880@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: TP 365XD files Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:13:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I recently reinstalled all Win95 and just forgot to keep some file like = the Thinkpad wallpapers, user manual, etc. I kept the diskette factoy = though but... is there an xhaustive list of "additional" files? Where = can I get them now? I would like to at least get the wallpaper back is = any 365XD user is listening ...:) Tx. Fabian Rodriguez From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 1 22:26:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA059118369; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:26:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08038; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:25:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:22:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07905; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:22:53 -0400 Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07891; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:22:48 -0400 Received: from stevez1 (slip166-72-19-70.ny.us.ibm.net [166.72.19.70]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA26126 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 02:29:02 GMT Message-Id: <33922EAE.2D65@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 22:23:42 -0400 From: stevez1 Reply-To: stevez1@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Subject: What laptops are for... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Subject: What laptops are for... was=>RE: CPU Upgrades - some real world numbers > Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 12:48:32 -0500 > From: chessie@megsinet.net (Dennis Pantazis) > > I am a bit late on this thread.... > > The most important issue to consider and keep in mind is what fundamentally > a laptop is all about. Laptops are about MOBILE PRODUCTIVITY. IMNSHO... > the TP701 & TP560, and as well the Compaq Armada and the Digital HighNote > VP are significant achievements for they maintain the optimum form factor. > The 701 was the first REAL player, but unfortunately IBM seems to have > taken a lateral instead of going the distance with the 560. Compaq and > Digital are playing catch up, and made pretty good units as well. > > All are essentially light in weight, hovering about 4 lb., have enough > resources to do most work and are reasonable on batteries. Its really too > bad that ZD is almost as big as Microsloth in editorial power. Their > claims of a laptop having as much power as desktops, or at least that they > are approaching that threshold is really unfortunate. The techno-newbies > eat that crap up and with money burning a hole in their pockets drive the > price of laptops up and their availability down. Laptops will NEVER > approach the power or functionality of a desktop. If you are on a limited > budget, and fully realize the limitations of a laptop, fine, great, you are > on the ball. You get a cookie. > Laptops have approached the power or functionality of a desktop. My current 760ED is much more powerful than my home PC, a Dell 486D/50, and my work PC a Dell 5133 (Pentium 133). Ofcourse, given the same amount of money, I can get a more powerful CURRENT model Desktop than a Laptop; and if I need the fastest Intel based PC available, it will not be in a Laptop model. But then, a Laptop has features that the Desktop does not. > If you find yourself running multiple apps and using a laptop like a > desktop you are better off with a desktop. The premium for a laptop is > almost twice the cost of a desktop or more, save your bread, buy a nice > monitor and enjoy the comforts of a real chair. If you REALLY need to > carry the CDROM AND FLOPPY and an EXTRA battery to keep these devils fed > then somewhere you are doing something wrong. The days of the suitcase > computers unfortunately dwindling. What a novel concept these days to > stuff a desktop into a mobile case and have a real computer to carry and > park for your presentation or investigation session. They might make a > come back with the realized reality of bigger LCD screens. > I personally enjoy working on my 760ED, more than a desktop. Gives me a lot more room on my desk. But, most of all, I like the mobility, especially at home. I could work in my home office if I need the isolation, or in the family room if I want to be around the family. And, yes, I do work on trains and airplanes. > I can't begin to tell you all how many people I see on the train playing > freaking Solitare for their ride. Or better yet, using their CDROMS to > play audio CD's. Man if you are toting around a $4k deck of cards or a > really bad CD player, you probably have the quarter to buy a clue. > > As an engineer, for the most part, the most strenuous duty I would ever > really expect my laptop to do is run video capture, data logging and > PowerPoint type presentations. The rest is Word and Excel to get a jump on > my day and make use of the hours that I spend commuting. Yes, I can run > things like Autocad on the go, there were few occasions where it was > 'handy' on my 701 but what a pain in the ass. I use little DOS > engineering analysis applettes, but for the most part my 'tools' are > spreadsheets and Mathematica workbooks on the go. > I generally use development tools (VB), databases (Access), accounting software (QuickBooks), office productivity (Word, Excel), communications (Internet stuff - IBM Dialer, Netscape, FreeAgent, Microsoft Explorer), and remote access (LapLink, CloseUp). Works very well on the 760ED. > The laptop side of the computer industry is for the most part playing catch > up with the desktop market and battery technology. It always has, it > always will. You can not reasonably expect a laptop to really compete > against a desktop plugged into the wall. Period! We might see a PPro in a > laptop, or a Klamath, but you might as well save up for the Go-Go-Gadget > Pocket Fusion Reactor to keep those buggers fed as well. > Battery life has never been a big deal for me. Most of the time, I plug the LapTop into the wall, since most locations that I work in do have electricity. And when traveling, the hour or two battery life is sufficient. If necessary I can always bring a second battery. > My two bits > > Dennis > Just my humble opinion ... Steven From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 2 03:02:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA137634932; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 03:02:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14775; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 03:00:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 02:58:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14625; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 02:58:39 -0400 Received: from indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu [152.11.5.107]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14615; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 02:58:34 -0400 Received: (from ahn@localhost) by indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA08174; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 02:48:43 -0400 From: ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn) Message-Id: <199706020648.CAA08174@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> Subject: Re: Subject: What laptops are for... In-Reply-To: <33922EAE.2D65@ibm.net> from stevez1 at "Jun 1, 97 10:23:42 pm" To: stevez1@ibm.net Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 02:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > From: chessie@megsinet.net (Dennis Pantazis) I can't help but respond to your pointed opinions. > > If you find yourself running multiple apps and using a laptop like a > > desktop you are better off with a desktop. The premium for a laptop is > > almost twice the cost of a desktop or more, save your bread, buy a nice > > monitor and enjoy the comforts of a real chair. If you REALLY need to > > carry the CDROM AND FLOPPY and an EXTRA battery to keep these devils fed > > then somewhere you are doing something wrong. No one is arguing about the price premium for a laptop. You're making the wrong assumption that mobile users don't need desktop power on the road. Maybe you don't, but others do. Your useless criticisms and sweeping generalizations are unnecessary. > > I can't begin to tell you all how many people I see on the train playing > > freaking Solitare for their ride. Or better yet, using their CDROMS to > > play audio CD's. Man if you are toting around a $4k deck of cards or a > > really bad CD player, you probably have the quarter to buy a clue. You need to buy a clue and realize that these people didn't buy their $5k laptops for the sole purpose of playing solitare or their CD's on the train. They chose to make secondary use of their laptop to pass time instead of reading a book or staring out the window. > > As an engineer, for the most part, the most strenuous duty I would ever > > really expect my laptop to do is run video capture, data logging and > > PowerPoint type presentations. The rest is Word and Excel to get a jump on > > my day and make use of the hours that I spend commuting. Yes, I can run > > things like Autocad on the go, there were few occasions where it was > > 'handy' on my 701 but what a pain in the ass. I use little DOS > > engineering analysis applettes, but for the most part my 'tools' are > > spreadsheets and Mathematica workbooks on the go. As an engineer, the most strenuous duty I would ever really expect my laptop to do is run Linux or Solaris/x86 in an X-Windows environment, running multiple sessions of Xemacs and software development tools to write OpenGL software. The currently available, top-of-the-line laptop with 100MB of RAM is too small and too slow to load my typical datasets. Yes, I can run Word and Excel on the road, but what a pain in the ass to reboot into Windows. Yes, I'm an exceptional case. > > The laptop side of the computer industry is for the most part playing catch > > up with the desktop market and battery technology. It always has, it > > always will. You can not reasonably expect a laptop to really compete > > against a desktop plugged into the wall. Period! We might see a PPro in a > > laptop, or a Klamath, but you might as well save up for the Go-Go-Gadget > > Pocket Fusion Reactor to keep those buggers fed as well. The premise behind buying a power laptop is that the user needs it. You are correct in stating that laptop technology is behind desktop technology, but you are incorrect in stating that laptops cannot provide desktop power. They can, but only at a high premium. If a user can afford the premium, he/she will buy it. The real point of your argument, which you didn't state, is that some laptop users don't have a clue as to how much power they need. Sometimes you see executives carrying around $8k laptops, because they can afford it, not because they need it. I recommend directing your frustrations at these people, not the majority of us who have real needs for premium laptops. Regards, Dave. -- Dave Ahn, ahn@vec.bgsm.edu "When you were born you cried, and the ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu world rejoiced. Try to live your life Virtual Endoscopy Center so that when you die you will rejoice, Bowman Gray School of Medicine and the world will cry." -1/2 jj^2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 2 10:24:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251051459; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:24:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06080; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:22:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:14:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05646; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:14:57 -0400 Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05636; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:14:51 -0400 Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:44:41 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:44:40 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Dave Ahn Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Subject: What laptops are for... In-Reply-To: <199706020648.CAA08174@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Dave Ahn wrote: > I can't help but respond to your pointed opinions. > ... > Maybe you don't, but others do. Your useless criticisms and sweeping > generalizations are unnecessary. No, not at all. Did you ever try to get a good machine without the multimedia stuff etc.? It's impossible. Did you ever try to get a machine you can use for outside WORK. It's next to impossible. There are a couple of people who just want a fast machine with NO extras, just to run a system like Linux, with Emacs, TeX, GCC. They don't need high color, they don't need a CDRom, nor do they need a soundcard or video in and out and what have you. Instead we got to pay for a lot of things we don't need, well, unless we want to play the latest games. > You need to buy a clue and realize that these people didn't buy their > $5k laptops for the sole purpose of playing solitare or their CD's on Surely, this was not the sole reason. But do you really want to tell us that it wasn't an important factor in the process of deciding for or against a particular machine? Have a look at all those magazines, read all this 'mine is bigger' stuff, and I'm sure you will understand the meaning of the original message. Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 2 11:43:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274586186; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:43:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10877; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:39:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:37:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10691; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:37:03 -0400 Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net ([204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10678; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:36:53 -0400 Received: from judsons (1Cust34.Max1.Hartford.CT.MS.UU.NET [153.34.27.162]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11068; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706021536.IAA11068@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Scott Judson" Organization: ERI Services, Inc. To: Christoph Eyrich Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:33:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Subject: What laptops are for... Reply-To: sjudson@earthlink.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal References: <199706020648.CAA08174@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54 preview) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 2 Jun 97 at 15:44, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > > Maybe you don't, but others do. Your useless criticisms and sweeping > > generalizations are unnecessary. > > No, not at all. Did you ever try to get a good machine without the > multimedia stuff etc.? It's impossible. Did you ever try to get a > machine you can use for outside WORK. It's next to impossible. It seems that you are confusing your needs with the needs of the others who may or may not have similar requirements. > > There are a couple of people who just want a fast machine with NO > extras, just to run a system like Linux, with Emacs, TeX, GCC. They > don't need high color, they don't need a CDRom, nor do they need > a soundcard or video in and out and what have you. Instead we got to > pay for a lot of things we don't need, well, unless we want to play > the latest games. There is the problem - "a couple of people" = limited market. If you want to create a stripped down laptop with no bells and whistles, go for it - but beware that the market may not support it. If it does great! - you will have proven the big boys wrong. You may find that there is a market but that it is too small to keep prices down and still make a reasonable profit. Scott Judson ERI Services - Measurement & Verification sjudson@eri.eqt.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 2 15:23:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA044939405; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:23:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24500; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:18:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:16:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24251; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:16:03 -0400 Received: from indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu [152.11.5.107]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24228; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:15:40 -0400 Received: (from ahn@localhost) by indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA13675; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:05:35 -0400 From: ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn) Message-Id: <199706021905.PAA13675@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> Subject: Re: Subject: What laptops are for... In-Reply-To: from Christoph Eyrich at "Jun 2, 97 03:44:40 pm" To: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > No, not at all. Did you ever try to get a good machine without the > multimedia stuff etc.? It's impossible. Did you ever try to get a > machine you can use for outside WORK. It's next to impossible. > > There are a couple of people who just want a fast machine with NO > extras, just to run a system like Linux, with Emacs, TeX, GCC. They > don't need high color, they don't need a CDRom, nor do they need > a soundcard or video in and out and what have you. Instead we got to > pay for a lot of things we don't need, well, unless we want to play > the latest games. The laptop market is geared almost exclusively towards individuals who work in business, because they represent the current market demand. Sure, there are small fractions of users who are college students or whose needs do not coincide with the rest of the market demand, but their numbers are insignificant as far as the laptop market is concerned. It's cost-ineffective for top brand companies like IBM, Toshiba, etc to research and produce laptops for the niche market. Doesn't mean I'm against the variety, but the consumers, including you and I, end up footing the extra cost, even if we never buy those niche laptops. > > You need to buy a clue and realize that these people didn't buy their > > $5k laptops for the sole purpose of playing solitare or their CD's on > > Surely, this was not the sole reason. But do you really want to tell us > that it wasn't an important factor in the process of deciding for > or against a particular machine? Have a look at all those magazines, read > all this 'mine is bigger' stuff, and I'm sure you will understand the > meaning of the original message. The majority of serious mobile users buy these premium laptops to get work done, not to play games. Game play might be a secondary factor, but definitely nowhere near the level of importance as you suggest. Would you have me believe that Joe.user would think to himself, "I see this 3K laptop that does everything I would ever expect it to do for my work needs on the road. Wait, I can't play Quake, so I better buy the 5K laptop instead." All the 'mine is bugger' stuff in magazines is silly, but I'm glad to see it. It means more publicity and competition and ultimately lower prices for the consumers. However, a potential laptop buyer should not use these advertisements as an important purchasing factor. Regards, Dave. -- Dave Ahn, ahn@vec.bgsm.edu "When you were born you cried, and the ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu world rejoiced. Try to live your life Virtual Endoscopy Center so that when you die you will rejoice, Bowman Gray School of Medicine and the world will cry." -1/2 jj^2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 2 16:23:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA063092992; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:23:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27396; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:19:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:17:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27213; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:17:49 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27201; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:17:42 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA14457; Mon, 2 Jun 97 10:17:35 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA26132; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:18:32 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706022018.KAA26132@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Subject: What laptops are for... To: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 10:18:30 HST Cc: ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Christoph Eyrich" at Jun 2, 97 3:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > No, not at all. Did you ever try to get a good machine without the > multimedia stuff etc.? It's impossible. Did you ever try to get a > machine you can use for outside WORK. It's next to impossible. The multimedia stuff is a cheap add-in, and ultimately reduces the cost of the machine by increasing its popularity. The stripped-down machine you've described would have about $35 fewer parts in it than its multimedia sibling. > There are a couple of people who just want a fast machine with NO > extras, just to run a system like Linux, with Emacs, TeX, GCC. They > don't need high color While I don't run TeX in Linux, I do in Windows, and I miss the high color I had on my TP701. Reason? Font smoothing. > they don't need a CDRom, nor do they need TeX is the one app for which I've been tempted to buy a CDROM for my TP560; I would love to have a full complement of all the packages available in a hurry, but *not* permanently on my HD. > a soundcard or video in and out and what have you. Sound card: I use this to remind me of appointments. This *is* work! Video out: I have this on my Micron, and have used it when discussing data analysis with my colleagues. I *wish* I had it on my 560, and would rather have spent the extra $20-$30 for putting the chips on-board than the $150 or more for buying an external unit. - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 2 16:27:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064833258; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:27:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27991; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:24:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:23:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27856; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:23:51 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27845; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:23:45 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA14498; Mon, 2 Jun 97 10:23:43 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA26147; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:24:39 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706022024.KAA26147@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Linux XFree on TP 560 DS? To: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 10:24:38 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Christoph Eyrich" at May 30, 97 2:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu W/R to the TP560, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > By the way: I've just seen the new DS model (one of those that come > with the 2GB drive) and it looks as good as an inferior TFT screen. > I'd never thought that this could be achieved... I have one of these; for a while I had it side-by-side with my TFT 701. The screen on the latter was noticeably superior, *except* in a darkish room from head on. However, it is acceptable for most applications (I wouldn't have said this about DS screens I've used before) and aside from its limited color depth the colors are reasonably saturated. Have to say I love the 2 gigs! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 2 23:25:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193748356; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:25:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15977; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:24:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:23:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15789; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:23:07 -0400 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15778; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:23:02 -0400 Received: from pool008-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool008-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.158]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25737 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706030322.UAA25737@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 20:23:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Incoming mail from the list Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is it just me, or has the list not been sending much mail? I almost never recieve anything, so I was wondering if I am even still subscribed, or if the list has just been quiet lately. Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 00:28:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA212252106; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:28:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18277; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:27:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:27:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18196; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:27:04 -0400 Received: from goblin.punk.net (sparker@goblin.punk.net [207.114.150.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18186; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:27:00 -0400 Received: (from sparker@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA18104; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:28:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ============================================================================ Make no laws whatever concerning speech and, speech will be free; so soon as you make a declaration on paper that speech shall be free, you will have a hundred lawyers proving that "freedom does not mean abuse, nor liberty license;" and they will define and define freedom out of existence. -- Voltarine de Cleyre (1866-1912) ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 09:23:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064574221; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:23:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12677; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:22:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:20:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12526; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:20:42 -0400 Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net ([204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12516; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:20:39 -0400 Received: from pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.64]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA05900 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706031320.GAA05900@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 06:21:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems with email Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can anyone he sees this email me, so I can be sure that my email is working correctly, because I've recieved only about 1-2 messages per week from the list. If anyone knows the list master, that would also be appreciated. Thanks. Paul Khoury please reply to pkhoury@earthlink.net, pkhoury@bigfoot.com (forwarded to earthlink.net), or both. Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 09:38:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA069155102; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:38:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13733; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:33:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:32:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13635; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:32:37 -0400 Received: from deneb.dfn.de (deneb.dfn.de [192.76.176.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13624; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:32:33 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA12336; Tue, 3 Jun 97 15:37:41 +0200 Received: from bidnix.ik.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27045; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:33:18 +0200 Received: from discworld.ik.fh-hannover.de ([192.108.52.60]) by bidnix.ik.fh-hannover.de with esmtp (ident root using rfc1413) id m0wYtlQ-000rHIC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by discworld.ik.fh-hannover.de id m0wYvM5-000QXwC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <19970603171816.42199@bidnix.ik.fh-hannover.de> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:18:16 +0200 From: Hanno Wagner To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP370C, Dock I and Soundcard? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 X-Disclaimer1: Eine weitere Verwendung oder die Veroeffentlichung X-Disclaimer2: dieser Mail oder dieser Mailadresse ist nur mit der X-Disclaimer3: Einwilligung des Autors gestattet. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I am using a TP 370C with Linux, Win95, WinNT and other OSes. Now as I have a Dock I (the one with one ISA-Slot and room for a CD-ROM), I wanted to use a soundcard in it - but my buyed Card (Home Studio 64 from Guillemot) didnt't wanted to work with the MIDI-Stuff - and this is the one I really wants to have ;-) My PCMCIA-Cards are one Adaptec SlimSCSI 1460-Card Adapter and an DE-650-compatible Ethernetadapter. Can anyone tell me which Soundcard will work with Dock 1 and Win95 (or better: with Win95, Linux, WinNT, OS/2 Merlin...)? Ciao, Hanno -- | Hanno Wagner | Member of the HTML Writers Guild | Rince@IRC | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung meiner Email-Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | | pgp-fingerprint: 7D C1 01 72 75 22 01 4F 6F 08 06 49 1B 02 4A A6 | | 74 a3 53 cc 0b 19 - we did it! | Famous last word: "What's with that wierdo with the teeth?" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 09:47:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA072365629; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:47:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14405; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:40:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:40:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14311; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:40:26 -0400 Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net ([204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14301; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:40:22 -0400 Received: from pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.64]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA17104; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706031342.GAA17104@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Angus F. Hewlett" , "Daniel Helfrich" , "Hanno Wagner" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 06:43:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems with email Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks to all of you for replying. So it seems that my messages are transferred to the list, but does anyone have an accurate figure of how much stuff comes from the list each day? I used to be getting about 10-30 messages per day, in the last month, more like 5-10 emails per day, and very recently, about that much per week. I just wasn't sure if my mailer would be at fault, or whether the list server deleted my entry, or whatever. Thanks again to all, though. Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 10:03:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077276623; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:03:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15664; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:56:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:56:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15574; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:56:12 -0400 Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net ([204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15562; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:56:09 -0400 Received: from pool034-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool034-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.34]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA20792 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706031400.HAA20792@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 07:01:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Email problems Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks again to all who have responded. I was wondering if there might be anything I should try doing, such as sending mail to the list admin., if one exists, or change settings in my ppp dialer. Thanks. Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 10:06:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077946773; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:06:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15978; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:58:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:58:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15890; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:58:24 -0400 Received: from lithsun.epfl.ch (root@lithsun.epfl.ch [128.178.72.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15859; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:58:14 -0400 Received: from lithsun14.epfl.ch (ballim@lithsun14.epfl.ch [128.178.72.37]) by lithsun.epfl.ch (8.8.5/8.8.0/EPFL-2.1/SERVER) with ESMTP id QAA27368; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:01:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: ballim@lith.di.epfl.ch (Afzal Ballim) Received: (from ballim@localhost) by lithsun14.epfl.ch (8.8.5/8.8.0/EPFL-2.1/CLIENT) id PAA00033; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:58:57 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:58:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706031358.PAA00033@lithsun14.epfl.ch> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ballim@lith.di.epfl.ch Subject: PCTPGO95.exe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: VXdtrAARKb5eIehGninH1g== Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Could some kind soul please send me this file. I have been trying for the last week to download it from ftp.pc.ibm.com, but even with 24hr timeouts I have not yet succeeded. -Afzal From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 12:57:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161437025; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:57:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26242; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:55:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:49:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25846; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:49:42 -0400 Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu (root@guilder.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.181]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25835; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:49:37 -0400 Received: from [128.120.18.114] by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.8.5/UCD3.8.16) id JAA11095; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: sztarkin@peseta.ucdavis.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706031320.GAA05900@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:51:33 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" From: "Brian K. Tarkington" Subject: Re: Problems with email Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Seems to be working. At 6:21 -0700 6/3/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >Can anyone he sees this email me, so I can be sure that my email is >working correctly, because I've recieved >only about 1-2 messages per week from the list. If anyone knows the list >master, that would also be >appreciated. Thanks. > >Paul Khoury > >please reply to pkhoury@earthlink.net, pkhoury@bigfoot.com (forwarded to >earthlink.net), or both. >Regards, > >Paul Khoury >pkhoury@earthlink.net _______________________ Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu 74033.2574@compuserve.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 14:09:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202591374; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:09:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00542; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:08:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:07:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00361; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:07:02 -0400 Received: from mail-c.bcc.ac.uk (mail-c.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00351; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:06:56 -0400 Received: from [128.40.81.204] (actually host mouse.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-c.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:06:36 +0100 X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.bcc.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Linux on Thinkpad 760CD ?? Pp-Warning: No Date field - one added at mail-c.bcc.ac.uk Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:06:37 +0000 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone installed linux on TP760CD? What is best linux to install on TP760CD? Has anyone managed to get MWAVE audio in/out to work on linux? Has anyone managed to get Video in/out to work on linux? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 18:49:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA062758150; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:49:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16135; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:47:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:45:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15990; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:45:07 -0400 Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net ([204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15976; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:44:58 -0400 Received: from pool009-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool009-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.84]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15886 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706032244.PAA15886@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 15:45:34 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Responses to my email problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thank you to all who responded to my request. Apparently, there is either something wrong with my ISP, or (what I have a feeling has happened) the list "unsubscribed" me. I have resubscribed to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, and am awaiting for a response. Thanks again to all that responded. Sincerely, Paul Khoury Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 18:57:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067658668; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:57:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16731; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:56:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:56:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16644; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:55:59 -0400 Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16632; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:55:51 -0400 Received: from pool004-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool004-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.79]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25419 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706032255.PAA25419@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 15:56:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OK Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm back on. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 19:42:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091931353; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:42:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18763; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:40:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:39:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18673; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:39:47 -0400 Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net ([204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18653; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:39:41 -0400 Received: from pool009-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool009-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.84]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16568 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706032246.PAA16568@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 15:47:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Now that I hopefully am back on, I was wondering if there is anyone on the list who has Debian Linux on a 701, because I don't know how to activate APM, the ESS688 audio, and the PCMCIA slots. Thanks. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 3 20:51:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128825506; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:51:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21270; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:51:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:50:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21186; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:50:02 -0400 Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21173; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:49:57 -0400 Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 03 Jun 1997 17:45:51 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7047.0DF54CE0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:53:33 -0700 Message-Id: <01BC7047.0DF54CE0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Paul Khoury'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Responses to my email problem Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:53:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Same thing happened to me ...about 3 weeks ago. I had to resubcribe. ..peter ---------- From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 8:45 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Responses to my email problem Thank you to all who responded to my request. Apparently, there is either something wrong with my ISP, or (what I have a feeling has happened) the list "unsubscribed" me. I have resubscribed to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, and am awaiting for a response. Thanks again to all that responded. Sincerely, Paul Khoury Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 4 16:02:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231114539; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:02:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25778; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:00:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:58:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25445; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:58:19 -0400 Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25412; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:58:11 -0400 Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17826; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:54:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:54:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu Reply-To: Joshua Hosseinof To: Hanno Wagner Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP755CD and S-VHS-Input? In-Reply-To: <19970520160654.57678@bidnix.ik.fh-hannover.de> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Therre is something called Video Control, seaarch for it on the web. Also see my next post on using the video overlay driiver from thee 760cd on the 755cd which lets you watch TV on your LCD screen in a resizable window. Josh On Tue, 20 May 1997, Hanno Wagner wrote: > Hi, > my daddy is using a TP 755CD with german keyboard and S-VHS-Input > Connector. Now he has a Digital Videocam from Sony with an S-VHS-Output > Connector so he tried to connect each other. > This worked - but there is no program under Win95 to use the Input > Connector. Is there anyone who knows a shareware or freeware Programm to > look the Pictures coming from this Connector? > > Ciao, Hanno > -- > | Hanno Wagner | Member of the HTML Writers Guild | Rince@IRC | > | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung meiner Email-Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | > | pgp-fingerprint: 7D C1 01 72 75 22 01 4F 6F 08 06 49 1B 02 4A A6 | > | 74 a3 53 cc 0b 19 - we did it! | > Famous last word: > "I'll cut the red wire." > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 4 16:04:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231734670; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:04:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25407; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:58:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:57:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25235; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:57:07 -0400 Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25221; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:57:01 -0400 Received: from stork.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:56:29 +0100 Received: from slip1d81 by stork.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id UAA29059; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:56:26 +0100 Message-Id: <3395C7C2.7F7D@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 20:53:38 +0100 From: "Angus F. Hewlett" Reply-To: afh1@ukc.ac.uk Organization: is an overrated virtue. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Hosseinof Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: video in on Dock1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No, it looks like a VGA connector - 3-layer D-type connector - with some of the pins blanked out. The manual says: "The video-in connector (15 pin) is used to view images of multimedia on the TFT LCD of the computer". Which doesn't tell me what sort of input it expects. Thanks anyway, Angus. Joshua Hosseinof wrote: > > Video-in connector? Does it look like a 3 pin mini-din connector? if so > then it is video input from a tv source only anad it is only for the 755cd > 760cd,ed and xd models. It's used for videeo capture. > > On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, A.F.Hewlett wrote: > > > Hi, > > I have a dock-1 with a video-in connector on it. Can I plug the output > > from another computer's VGA or SVGA card in and use the Thinkpad's screen > > (640x480 10.5" TFT on TP755c) as the display for this other machine? If > > so, where do I get the lead and what happens if I accidentally > > 'over-drive' the LCD - i.e. try and force it to run at a higher resolution > > than it is capable of e.g. 800x600? > > > > TIA, > > Angus. > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 4 16:05:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232154739; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:05:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25409; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:58:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:51:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24903; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:51:40 -0400 Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24887; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:51:33 -0400 Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA38204; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:48:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu Reply-To: Joshua Hosseinof To: "A.F.Hewlett" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: video in on Dock1 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Video-in connector? Does it look like a 3 pin mini-din connector? if so then it is video input from a tv source only anad it is only for the 755cd 760cd,ed and xd models. It's used for videeo capture. On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, A.F.Hewlett wrote: > Hi, > I have a dock-1 with a video-in connector on it. Can I plug the output > from another computer's VGA or SVGA card in and use the Thinkpad's screen > (640x480 10.5" TFT on TP755c) as the display for this other machine? If > so, where do I get the lead and what happens if I accidentally > 'over-drive' the LCD - i.e. try and force it to run at a higher resolution > than it is capable of e.g. 800x600? > > TIA, > Angus. > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 5 19:27:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132473272; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:27:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11067; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:25:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:20:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10810; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:20:32 -0400 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10799; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:20:21 -0400 Received: from pool069-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool069-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.69]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01484 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706052320.QAA01484@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 16:20:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 Hard Drive Caddies Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know of a good source for 701 HD caddies? I need something reliable, but cheap, preferably from someplace that has student discounts. Thanks. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 00:27:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214971232; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:27:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21067; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:23:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:20:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20850; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:20:04 -0400 Received: from mail01.citylinq.net ([207.173.198.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20835; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:19:55 -0400 Received: from pele.wolfenet.com ([207.173.198.33]) by mail01.citylinq.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 201-33923U500L100S0) with SMTP id AAA186 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:19:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970605211949.006ddd78@mail01.citylinq.net> X-Sender: peterl@mail01.citylinq.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 21:19:49 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Lewis Subject: novice questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 360meg HD is approaching full on the TP701C, on which I am running Win95B. That OS was installed off a network by the previous owner. I can access Win95B off another network again if need be. I'm looking for help/suggestions on my options to add HD, with price and simplicity the prime objectives (I realize they may be in conflict). I would also appreciate tips on where to purchase what. And to anyone who responds to this request for help, *please* keep the technobabble to a minimum, because it will be meaningless to me. Thanks in advance. Peter -- Peter Lewis peterlx@citylinq.com [remove 'x' after 'peterl' to reply] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 00:29:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215511359; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:29:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21535; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:27:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:25:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21261; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:25:07 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21232; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:24:58 -0400 Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29628 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:31:20 -0600 Message-Id: <33979180.538635BF@wwsi.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 22:26:40 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Thinkpad 760? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3DA567551826799C64BD5213" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3DA567551826799C64BD5213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know when the 13.3" Thinkpad is due? I'm really close to getting another Thinkpad, and I'd like to get one of those if it's going to be available within the next couple of weeks (the second quarter ends pretty quick here!). Anyone got any insight? -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. 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Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a posting to comp.sys.laptops someone mentioned a new TP 560, referring to PC Online. Who knows more about this? Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 04:19:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283735154; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:19:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03615; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:17:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:15:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03312; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:15:37 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03238; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:15:22 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA28139; Thu, 5 Jun 97 22:15:20 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA26848; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:16:18 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706060816.WAA26848@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: novice questions To: peterl@citylinq.com (Peter Lewis) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 97 22:16:16 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970605211949.006ddd78@mail01.citylinq.net>; from "Peter Lewis" at Jun 5, 97 9:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu CDW still shows a 1+ gig HD for the 701 for about $275 (in the Bargain Basement section, from CMS Enhancements). Moving to a new HD will require some kind of backup system, of course. BTW, if you're not using data compression, you can save lots of bytes in W95 by using it. - David R. > My 360meg HD is approaching full on the TP701C, on which I am running > Win95B. That OS was installed off a network by the previous owner. I can > access Win95B off another network again if need be. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 10:45:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091168327; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:45:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23426; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:42:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:40:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23277; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:40:16 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23263; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:40:08 -0400 Received: from mypc.usc.edu (comserv-g-62.usc.edu [128.125.223.206]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id HAA17189; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970606074011.00d54658@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 07:42:20 -0700 To: Peter Lewis From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: novice questions Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:19 PM 6/5/97 -0700, Peter Lewis wrote: > >My 360meg HD is approaching full on the TP701C, on which I am running >Win95B. That OS was installed off a network by the previous owner. I can >access Win95B off another network again if need be. > >I'm looking for help/suggestions on my options to add HD, with price and >simplicity the prime objectives (I realize they may be in conflict). I >would also appreciate tips on where to purchase what. > >And to anyone who responds to this request for help, *please* keep the >technobabble to a minimum, because it will be meaningless to me. I'll try. :-) First, you worry about what drive you get. Basically, any standard 2.5" notebook drive should work in your machine. You *could* go as big as 3 GB I believe. I'm assuming you have access to a desktop machine--if not, get it. It is SO much easier to upgrade a drive for your notebook if you can use a desktop. Basically, go spend $25 on a software package called "Drive Copy" by PowerQuest corp. (I think you can see/order via www.powerquest.com--while you're there, check out Partition Magic). Take the drive out of your notebook machine, put it and your new drive into the desktop machine, boot with a floppy, stick in the Drive Copy disk, run it, BOOM--EVERYTHING is copied to the new drive, and its IDENTICAL to the old one (except it has more room!). Take your new drive and put it in your notebook machine. DONE! It's *really* that simple. There are a whole bunch of other ways to do it, but for my time, that $25 was *very* well spent and I guarantee I spent only 10 to 15 minutes actually copying data--actually, I watched a cartoon with my son while it copied data. All of the other options you are going to see will cost you a *lot* more time and be much more complicated. Why inflict that kind of pain on yourself when, for $25, you can avoid it entirely? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Assoc. Director of Electronic Commerce, Marshall School of Business at USC From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 11:03:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096559435; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:03:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24673; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:01:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:01:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24585; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:01:29 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24575; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:01:25 -0400 Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (host-166-202.uplanet.com [204.163.166.202]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27681; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970606080019.008deea0@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 08:00:25 -0700 To: Christoph Eyrich , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: New TP 560? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:56 AM 6/6/97 +0200, Christoph Eyrich wrote: >In a posting to comp.sys.laptops someone mentioned a >new TP 560, referring to PC Online. > >Who knows more about this? There was one recently announced with a 166Mhz MMX cpu.. I don't think there were any other changes to it though. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 11:25:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102410743; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:25:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26711; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:22:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:21:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26505; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:21:02 -0400 Received: from gte.com (h132-197-8-26.gte.com [132.197.8.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26490; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:20:57 -0400 Received: from johanna.gte.com by gte.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970606111649.008aac30@pophost.gte.com> X-Sender: jls5@pophost.gte.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 11:16:49 -0400 To: Jesse Montrose From: Jeff Sokolov Subject: Re: New TP 560? Cc: Christoph Eyrich , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I couldn't find such an announcement on either the IBM Thinkpad web-page, comp.sys.laptops, or at www.pcmag.com. Would you please be more specific as to where you saw this news. Thanks. At 08:00 AM 6/6/97 -0700, Jesse Montrose wrote: >At 09:56 AM 6/6/97 +0200, Christoph Eyrich wrote: >>In a posting to comp.sys.laptops someone mentioned a >>new TP 560, referring to PC Online. >> >>Who knows more about this? > >There was one recently announced with a 166Mhz MMX cpu.. I don't think >there were any other changes to it though. > > > ----------------------------------------------- Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) Senior Member of the Technical Staff Service Concept and Design Department GTE Laboratories Incorporated 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 Waltham, MA 02154 (617) 466-4042 (phone) (617) 466-4035 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 11:45:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110761939; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:45:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28339; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:43:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:42:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28190; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:42:02 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28167; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:41:37 -0400 Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (host-166-202.uplanet.com [204.163.166.202]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08212; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970606084049.008bdaa0@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 08:40:51 -0700 To: Jeff Sokolov From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: New TP 560? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:16 AM 6/6/97 -0400, Jeff Sokolov wrote: >I couldn't find such an announcement on either the IBM Thinkpad web-page, >comp.sys.laptops, or at www.pcmag.com. > >Would you please be more specific as to where you saw this news. pc week http://www8.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0526/30mibm.html Says it adds an l2 cache and bumps up the base ram to 16mb, too. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 13:17:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA138467414; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:16:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03869; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:12:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:11:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03687; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:11:21 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03676; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:11:12 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-04.usc.edu [128.125.224.76]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id KAA14216 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970606101420.006c1b74@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 10:14:31 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Novice Advice--Oops! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I forgot to mention in my advice on changing the hard drive: In order to stick that 2.5" into your desktop machine (temporarily), you'll need to buy an adapter from a place like Fry's Electronics. It costs $5 to $7, and if you need to have both drives in the desktop machine at the same time (which you *will* need to use Drive Copy), you'll need two of them. Sorry for the mistake... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Director of Electronic Commerce, Marshall School of Business at USC "I'm tough-minded. I'm tough in business situations. I'm really focused and have little time. I guess I'm also relatively blunt. So if you want to know if I'm intense, competitive, focused, blunt, and tough, yes. That's fair. I'm guilty. ... But if arrogance means pride, wanting to take credit for everything, not seeking others' advice, I don't think those are fair characterizations." (IBM Chairman Lou Gerstner in _Fortune_, 14 Apr 97) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 13:24:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA140557864; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:24:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04716; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:21:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:21:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04640; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:21:21 -0400 Received: from gte.com (h132-197-8-26.gte.com [132.197.8.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04628; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:21:17 -0400 Received: from johanna.gte.com by gte.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970606131726.008b05a0@pophost.gte.com> X-Sender: jls5@pophost.gte.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 13:17:41 -0400 To: Jesse Montrose From: Jeff Sokolov Subject: Re: New TP 560? Cc: Jeff Sokolov , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for the information. Looks like a big step forward. It gives them some increased horsepower prior to mobile Pentium II availability. Now let's hope that it isn't priced exorbitantly. -- Jeff At 08:40 AM 6/6/97 -0700, Jesse Montrose wrote: >At 11:16 AM 6/6/97 -0400, Jeff Sokolov wrote: >>I couldn't find such an announcement on either the IBM Thinkpad web-page, >>comp.sys.laptops, or at www.pcmag.com. >> >>Would you please be more specific as to where you saw this news. > >pc week > >http://www8.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0526/30mibm.html > >Says it adds an l2 cache and bumps up the base ram to 16mb, too. > > > ----------------------------------------------- Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) Senior Member of the Technical Staff Service Concept and Design Department GTE Laboratories Incorporated 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 Waltham, MA 02154 (617) 466-4042 (phone) (617) 466-4035 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 13:24:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA140647880; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:24:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04956; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:22:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:21:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04755; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:21:54 -0400 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com (phr@netcom6.netcom.com [192.100.81.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04724; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:21:48 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA08751; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:21:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:21:45 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199706061721.KAA08751@netcom6.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: enhanced 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The thing I'd like to see most on the 560 is an XGA display Too bad there was no mention of that in the article. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 13:44:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147009043; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:44:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06508; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:39:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:39:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06425; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:39:09 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06412; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:39:01 -0400 Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (host-165-53.uplanet.com [204.163.165.53]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14911 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970606103835.008b39f0@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 10:38:36 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: New TP 560? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:17 PM 6/6/97 -0400, Jeff Sokolov wrote: >Thanks for the information. Looks like a big step forward. It gives them >some increased horsepower prior to mobile Pentium II availability. Now >let's hope that it isn't priced exorbitantly. I still don't understand how they justify the current pricing.. Looking at a catalog from the hartford computer group, $2499 560 133mhz/8mb/2gb 11.3" dual scan screen $4312 560 133mhz/8mb/2gb 12.1" active screen $1800 for an active screen that's less than an inch larger??? I have the active model, and it looks great (company machine), but I don't know if I could have justified that to myself if it were my money, especially with the improvements made in the dual scan displays. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 14:02:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152610173; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:02:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07914; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:01:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:00:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07823; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:00:53 -0400 Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07813; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:00:50 -0400 Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17362; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:57:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:57:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New TP 560? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thats Probably the 560E with 150 and 166 Mhz MMX pentium processors and 2.1GB hard drives. Other than that I don't think there were any major improvements. On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > > In a posting to comp.sys.laptops someone mentioned a > new TP 560, referring to PC Online. > > Who knows more about this? > > Regards > > > Christoph Eyrich > > eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 16:59:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA206860766; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:59:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17432; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:56:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:54:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17305; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:54:10 -0400 Received: from voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (voltimand.csd.wwwi.com [199.1.92.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17292; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:54:04 -0400 Received: from themachine.fastride.com (plugh.lcs.com [199.1.93.10]) by voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10865 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:52:32 GMT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970606205256.006d03dc@pop.wwwi.com> X-Sender: lcs@pop.wwwi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 13:52:56 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Craig Larsen Subject: 2.1 or 3.x Gig for 760ED Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Does anyone have a used 2.1Gig or 3.x Gig HD for a ThinkPad 760ED ? Thanks Craig Larsen larsenc@LCS.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 20:47:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276164438; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:47:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25448; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:46:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:42:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25202; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:42:11 -0400 Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25192; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:42:07 -0400 Received: from pool060-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool060-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.60]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29101; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706070041.RAA29101@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Peter Lewis" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 17:42:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: novice questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 05 Jun 1997 21:19:49 -0700, Peter Lewis wrote: > >My 360meg HD is approaching full on the TP701C, on which I am running >Win95B. That OS was installed off a network by the previous owner. I can >access Win95B off another network again if need be. > >I'm looking for help/suggestions on my options to add HD, with price and >simplicity the prime objectives (I realize they may be in conflict). I >would also appreciate tips on where to purchase what. > >And to anyone who responds to this request for help, *please* keep the >technobabble to a minimum, because it will be meaningless to me. > >Thanks in advance. > How's a 340MB sound? I pulled out an ad in Computer Shopper the other day, because they still carried small drives, and also noticed that they have an IBM DHAA2405, in other words, a 340meg drive. I don't know whether or not it comes in the 360/755 caddy, but this can be easily removed. I just bought the same thing from Mitchell Yee, but the only problem is that it doesn't fit in the IBM caddy, probably requiring a 3rd party caddy. I would still check with a 3rd party regarding physical specs. The price is $75, and the company is called HI-TECH in Nevada, at 800-406-1275. I don't know how their business is though, because I never have bought anything from them before. I hope this helps. Regards, Paul Khoury Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 20:53:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA277634781; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:53:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25817; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:50:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25700; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:50:00 -0400 Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25686; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:49:57 -0400 Received: from pool058-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool058-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.208]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01643 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706070049.RAA01643@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 17:50:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: novice questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 5 Jun 97 22:16:16 HST, David Ross wrote: >CDW still shows a 1+ gig HD for the 701 for about $275 (in the Bargain >Basement section, from CMS Enhancements). Moving to a new HD will >require some kind of backup system, of course. > That's only required for the information you wish to keep, but I saw in some magazine of a HD upgrade where you plug in the new HD to a PCMCIA adapter (they showed this with a 360/755-type ThinkPad), transfer data, and then plug the new drive in. If I find the company, I post it on the list, but it might be PCs Compleat. > >BTW, if you're not using data compression, you can save lots of bytes in >W95 by using it. Compression also slows down the system. This may or may not be important to you, depending on your applications. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 21:09:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282025791; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:09:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26815; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:07:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:06:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26729; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:06:15 -0400 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26718; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:06:06 -0400 Received: from pool029-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool029-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.104]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14604; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706070105.SAA14604@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 17:45:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New Thinkpad 760? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 05 Jun 1997 22:26:40 -0600, Steve Hultquist wrote: >Anyone know when the 13.3" Thinkpad is due? I'm really close to getting >another Thinkpad, and I'd like to get one of those if it's going to be >available within the next couple of weeks (the second quarter ends >pretty quick here!). Anyone got any insight? Yeah, the ThinkPad 380 is out. I don't remember all the specs, but the LCD is either 11.3 -> 13.3, and I think HD capacity goes up to 3gigs. Call IBM for more info. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 21:34:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288897297; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:34:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27826; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:33:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:32:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27710; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:32:43 -0400 Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27698; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:32:34 -0400 Received: from pool029-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool029-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.104]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18865; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706070131.SAA18865@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Peter Lewis" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 18:32:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: novice questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 06 Jun 1997 07:42:20 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 09:19 PM 6/5/97 -0700, Peter Lewis wrote: >> >>My 360meg HD is approaching full on the TP701C, on which I am running >>Win95B. That OS was installed off a network by the previous owner. I can >>access Win95B off another network again if need be. >> >>I'm looking for help/suggestions on my options to add HD, with price and >>simplicity the prime objectives (I realize they may be in conflict). I >>would also appreciate tips on where to purchase what. >> >>And to anyone who responds to this request for help, *please* keep the >>technobabble to a minimum, because it will be meaningless to me. > > I'll try. :-) > > First, you worry about what drive you get. Basically, any standard 2.5" >notebook drive should work in your machine. You *could* go as big as 3 GB >I believe. > > I'm assuming you have access to a desktop machine--if not, get it. It is >SO much easier to upgrade a drive for your notebook if you can use a desktop. > > Basically, go spend $25 on a software package called "Drive Copy" by >PowerQuest corp. (I think you can see/order via www.powerquest.com--while >you're there, check out Partition Magic). Take the drive out of your >notebook machine, put it and your new drive into the desktop machine, boot >with a floppy, stick in the Drive Copy disk, run it, BOOM--EVERYTHING is >copied to the new drive, and its IDENTICAL to the old one (except it has >more room!). Take your new drive and put it in your notebook machine. DONE! > Don't forget that the 2.5" drive connectors are DIFFERENT than standard 3.5" or 5.25" IDE/EIDE drives, so you will need an adapter. You will also need to find out the switch settings for Master and Slave, if 2 IDE/EIDE drives are in the same system. > It's *really* that simple. There are a whole bunch of other ways to do >it, but for my time, that $25 was *very* well spent and I guarantee I spent >only 10 to 15 minutes actually copying data--actually, I watched a cartoon >with my son while it copied data. All of the other options you are going >to see will cost you a *lot* more time and be much more complicated. Why >inflict that kind of pain on yourself when, for $25, you can avoid it >entirely? > That is probably something I could do if I had usable 2.5"->3.5" adapters, but because you said you are not technical, you may or may not feel comfortable opening your desktop, or are unsure of what to do next. Randy's idea is definantly feasible, though, but remember, if you think you might get confused or unsure, have a technical friend along with you. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 22:24:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA005500273; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:24:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29128; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:22:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:21:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29019; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:21:34 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29009; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:21:31 -0400 Received: from mypc.usc.edu (comserv-g-01.usc.edu [128.125.223.145]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id TAA06438 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970606192229.00d5a0b8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:23:45 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Recent HD Upgrade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just a note to the list: I recently upgraded the 810 MB HD in my TP 560 to a 2.1 GB HD by Toshiba. All seems to work quite well. I highly recommend the "Drive Copy" program by PowerQuest, and as always, their "Partition Magic" software too. It took about 10 minutes to take apart my 560 (being careful, since it *doesn't* have a removable drive like so many other ThinkPads have), another 10 or 15 to put the old & new drives into my desktop computer, about 10 minutes to run "Drive Copy", then 5 or 10 to run Partition Magic to set up the partitions they way I wanted (since its a larger drive), and 10 to put it all back together in my ThinkPad. Everything WOULD have run smoothly in my 560 at that point, but since I had an extra partition on the new drive and compressed volume in the wrong place, I had some software configuration to fool around with. If not for that, the whole process would have been completed--womb to tomb--in about an hour. All made possible by PowerQuest software. So okay, you can choose *not* to spend $25 to $70-ish, but in so doing you're spending a *lot* more time and giving yourself a lot more headaches. I can't recommend this stuff enough! And for what its worth, Bill Morrow in Florida, who runs a web page at: http://thinkpads.com sold me my hard drive at a favorable price and was very agreeable in negotiating and delivering the goods. If you're looking to upgrade/purchase a new drive, keep him in mind. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Director of Electronic Commerce, Marshall School of Business at USC From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 6 22:33:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA008000786; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:33:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29522; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:31:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:31:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29446; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:31:01 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29436; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:30:58 -0400 Received: from mypc.usc.edu (comserv-g-01.usc.edu [128.125.223.145]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id TAA07574; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970606193244.00d5ebdc@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:33:08 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: novice questions Cc: "Peter Lewis" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:32 PM 6/6/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >Don't forget that the 2.5" drive connectors are DIFFERENT than standard 3.5" or 5.25" IDE/EIDE drives, so >you will need an adapter. Yup--forgot to include that until a follow-on message. An adapter can be had for about $5 to $7. Also should be careful about which direction you put the adapter *on*, since there is a power input involved. > You will also need to find out the switch settings for Master and Slave, if 2 >IDE/EIDE drives are in the same system. Sort of... I didn't know what jumper to mess with and there wasn't any instructions. However, since many (most?) newer desktop machines actually have 2 IDE controllers in them (to accomodate IDE-based CD-ROMs that have become so popular), you can just put each 2.5" drive as "master" on their own seperate IDE buses. Since you boot with a floppy anyway (to run Drive Copy), disconnecting the existing boot drive poses no real issue. Then after the drive gets copied, you can pull out the original, reconnect the desktop's drive, and keep the new drive in there for any additional stuff you might want to copy off of the desktop's drive (or run Partition Magic from off the desktop's drive, as I did). >That is probably something I could do if I had usable 2.5"->3.5" adapters, but because you said you are not >technical, you may or may not feel comfortable opening your desktop, or are unsure of what to do next. >Randy's idea is definantly feasible, though, but remember, if you think you might get confused or unsure, have >a technical friend along with you. But honestly, what alternative is there? All other methods, in terms of being "technical", are far and away worse! The only other thing I can think of is to pay someone else to do it. Speaking of which, I'll do it for you--for a fee. ;-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Director of Electronic Commerce, Marshall School of Business at USC From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 01:10:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA050420245; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:10:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03247; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:08:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:06:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03163; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:06:51 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03153; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:06:42 -0400 Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02506; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:13:04 -0600 Message-Id: <3398ECC3.B82CC91A@wwsi.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 23:08:19 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: New Thinkpad 760? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706070105.SAA14604@norway.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ah, no. The 380 is definitely *not* 13.3. The 13.3 will be a new 760 due "any day now" as far as I know. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 01:42:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058932133; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:42:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04182; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:40:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:40:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04104; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:40:17 -0400 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04094; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:40:14 -0400 From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA14252 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970607013941_1010688142@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: novice questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Peter, We have Hard Drive upgrades through 2.1gb for your system. They come in the Additional Metal HDD Caddie we developed. This will make it very easy to replace our drive in your system. There is even an External HDD Shell that you can put the drive taken out of the system during upgrade that will allow you to use both drives at the same time. I am sending our upgrade catalog for your system for you to look over. Please contact me or visit our website if you have any other questions or needs. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM Up to 3GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com ========Original Message======== Subj: novice questions Date: 97-06-06 04:41:55 EDT From: peterl@citylinq.com (Peter Lewis) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu My 360meg HD is approaching full on the TP701C, on which I am running Win95B. That OS was installed off a network by the previous owner. I can access Win95B off another network again if need be. I'm looking for help/suggestions on my options to add HD, with price and simplicity the prime objectives (I realize they may be in conflict). I would also appreciate tips on where to purchase what. And to anyone who responds to this request for help, *please* keep the technobabble to a minimum, because it will be meaningless to me. Thanks in advance. Peter -- Peter Lewis peterlx@citylinq.com [remove 'x' after 'peterl' to reply] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 04:07:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA100160860; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 04:07:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12512; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 04:06:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 04:03:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12171; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 04:03:37 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12160; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 04:03:34 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA01248; Fri, 6 Jun 97 22:03:28 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA27043; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:04:25 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706070804.WAA27043@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: novice questions To: pkhoury@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 22:04:24 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706070049.RAA01643@germany.it.earthlink.net>; from "Paul Khoury" at Jun 6, 97 5:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >BTW, if you're not using data compression, you can save lots of bytes in > >W95 by using it. > > Compression also slows down the system. This may or may not be important to you, depending on your > applications. This ranges from somewhat true to totally false, depending on the situation. During compression/decompression the CPU *is* burdened with extra processing; however, (1) this is much worse for compression than decompression, and for big files (like executables ) the former is only done once, and (2) the reduction in data to be transferred to/from the drive speeds overall processing, especially when the CPU is relatively fast and the drive is relatively slow. I use Superstore under DOS/W3.1 on a desktop, and find that data access on my compressed partition is somewhat faster than on the uncompressed partition. I have a compressed virtual disk using Win95OSR2's compression on my TP560, and it is comparable in speed to the uncompressed drive. I used a similar arrangement on my 701, and found the compressed drive to be only marginally slower than the uncompressed one (and I was using maximum compression on that drive). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 05:01:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115304103; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 05:01:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15387; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 05:01:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 05:00:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15300; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 05:00:19 -0400 Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15290; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 05:00:16 -0400 Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:58:01 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:58:01 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Compression... was: Re: novice questions In-Reply-To: <199706070049.RAA01643@germany.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >BTW, if you're not using data compression, you can save lots of bytes in > >W95 by using it. > > Compression also slows down the system. This may or may not be important to you, depending on your > applications. This is not necessarily true any longer. I don't know about W95 but there are OSs which seem to run some jobs faster with compression. This seems plausible because on fast machines it is the transfer of data over the bus which takes times. The CPU is simply faster (if the OS allows it to work properly...) and this is the place where the extracting of compressed data takes place. Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 07:40:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA157603612; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 07:40:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23241; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 07:39:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 07:38:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23118; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 07:38:19 -0400 Received: from tom.compulink.co.uk (tom.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23106; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 07:38:11 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.9) id MAA03353 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:37:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 97 12:35 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Warp 4 (Merlin) on 755CD - conflict between cdrom and pcmcia To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just got round to installing Merlin on my TP755CD. So long as the diskette drive in place, rather that the cdrom drive, the pcmcia ethernet card is recognised and works well. But when I reboot with the cdrom in place, the pcmcia card is disabled with the following message during the boot sequence:: "ifconfig:ioctl (SIOCDIFADDR) no such interface" There are no obvious clashes on irq, dma or memory allocation. ..... any ideas as to what might be going on here ? Gerry Prosser From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 08:00:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA162454810; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 08:00:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23846; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 07:59:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 07:59:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23756; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 07:59:11 -0400 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23744; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 07:59:07 -0400 Received: from jloyless (slip166-72-160-240.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.240]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA87310; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:58:58 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970607075931.0138a430@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 07:59:31 -0400 To: Steve Hultquist From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New Thinkpad 760? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3398ECC3.B82CC91A@wwsi.com> References: <199706070105.SAA14604@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:08 PM 6/6/97 -0600, you wrote: >Ah, no. The 380 is definitely *not* 13.3. The 13.3 will be a new 760 >due "any day now" as far as I know. > TP765 - I actually touched one at COMDEX on Tuesday. According to the IBMer that was manning that area, it'll be announced this Tuesday (6/10) and will be available in July. Price will be about $500 more than comparable 760. The specs were the same as the TP760XD sitting next to it - 166MHz, 32MB, 3GB, 8xCD, etc - weighs about a half pound more the the TP760XD and was a little deeper (maybe a half inch or so). Keyboard was the same with a bigger palm rest due to the additional depth for the screen. The screen was *HUGE*. It was amazing how much bigger it appeared than the 12.1" sitting next to it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 20:55:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA051671300; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:55:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20865; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:54:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:50:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20632; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:50:13 -0400 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20621; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:50:06 -0400 Received: from pool026-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool026-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.176]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25471; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706080049.RAA25471@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" Cc: "Peter Lewis" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 07 Jun 97 17:50:34 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: novice questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:33:08 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 06:32 PM 6/6/97, Paul Khoury wrote: > >>Don't forget that the 2.5" drive connectors are DIFFERENT than standard >3.5" or 5.25" IDE/EIDE drives, so >>you will need an adapter. > > Yup--forgot to include that until a follow-on message. An adapter can be >had for about $5 to $7. Also should be careful about which direction you >put the adapter *on*, since there is a power input involved. > Also, does anybody know a source for quality, and cheap adapters for these drives? >> You will also need to find out the switch settings for Master and Slave, >if 2 >>IDE/EIDE drives are in the same system. > > Sort of... > > I didn't know what jumper to mess with and there wasn't any instructions. > The jumber farthest towards the end of the drive (you can see this jumber block after the other pins are connected to the adapter) is usually the master selector, and the next one is the slave selector. There are many text files and programs, such as Ontrack software, that have visual representations of which jumper is more master, or slave, that can be found on the Internet. > However, since many (most?) newer desktop machines actually have 2 IDE >controllers in them (to accomodate IDE-based CD-ROMs that have become so >popular), you can just put each 2.5" drive as "master" on their own >seperate IDE buses. Since you boot with a floppy anyway (to run Drive >Copy), disconnecting the existing boot drive poses no real issue. > Well, yeah, sort of. I only have my server which has two controllers, and also a VLB 486SX-25, but I bought the board knowing it was defective in that the CMOS is lost every time power input goes low, so I have a hard enough time getting four drives configured on that machine. :-{ And not everyone has a newer desktop with EIDE anyways. In fact, some of us have desktops that only run on SCSI, MFM, or ESDI. > Then after the drive gets copied, you can pull out the original, reconnect >the desktop's drive, and keep the new drive in there for any additional >stuff you might want to copy off of the desktop's drive (or run Partition >Magic from off the desktop's drive, as I did). > >>That is probably something I could do if I had usable 2.5"->3.5" adapters, >but because you said you are not >>technical, you may or may not feel comfortable opening your desktop, or >are unsure of what to do next. >>Randy's idea is definantly feasible, though, but remember, if you think >you might get confused or unsure, have >>a technical friend along with you. > > But honestly, what alternative is there? All other methods, in terms of >being "technical", are far and away worse! The only other thing I can >think of is to pay someone else to do it. > True. But at my school, being Mr. Computers (at least that's what all the hard-core Mac users think of me as), I hear of people who get nervous when they I even try telling them what a hard drive is. I'm not saying everyone is like that, but there are some people who don't like techinal stuff like that. > Speaking of which, I'll do it for you--for a fee. ;-) > I guess I could probably do so, but I don't drive, nor have I finished high school, so I have enough trouble dealing with my 701 and the other 10+ systems. :-) > >------- >Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle >Director of Electronic Commerce, Marshall School of Business at USC > Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 21:07:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056732057; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:07:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13862; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:16:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:15:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13668; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:15:21 -0400 Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13658; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:15:18 -0400 Received: from pool052-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool052-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.52]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA26165; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706072115.OAA26165@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Ward" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 07 Jun 97 14:15:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Replacement eraserheads and power supplies for TP560 - Where are good cheap sources? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 07 Jun 1997 14:47:04 -0400, Bill Ward wrote: >My boss' machine is in need of a replacement eraserhead for the trackpoint >as well as a A/C adapter for his 560 series Thinkpad. > >Is there a cheaper place to obtain these items from rather than calling the >IBM parts supply line? > >- Bill > You can try calling PCs Compleat, which is now owned by CompUSA. I don't know if they're really cheaper, but I think that their hold time is very minimal, so it's not like calling IBM's Boulder Parts Center, or Packard Bell Tech Help (which takes HOURS to get on). Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 21:07:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056762058; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:07:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14894; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:40:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:39:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14819; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:39:27 -0400 Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14809; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:39:24 -0400 Received: from pool052-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool052-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.52]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02032; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706072139.OAA02032@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 07 Jun 97 14:40:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Compression... was: Re: novice questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:58:01 +0200 (MEST), Christoph Eyrich wrote: >On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> >BTW, if you're not using data compression, you can save lots of bytes in >> >W95 by using it. >> >> Compression also slows down the system. This may or may not be important to you, depending on your >> applications. > >This is not necessarily true any longer. I don't know about W95 but >there are OSs which seem to run some jobs faster with compression. >This seems plausible because on fast machines it is the transfer of >data over the bus which takes times. The CPU is simply faster (if >the OS allows it to work properly...) and this is the place where >the extracting of compressed data takes place. > True. I've never had compression before, but on my brother's machine running 95, he said his drives are sort of slow. I don't know about others like OS/2 Warp or Windows NT, but I would be interested to hear anyone's experiances on those OSes with compression. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 21:07:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056792059; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:07:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15350; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:44:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:43:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15274; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:43:36 -0400 Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15255; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:43:30 -0400 Received: from pool052-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool052-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.52]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03194; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706072143.OAA03194@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 07 Jun 97 14:44:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: novice questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 6 Jun 97 22:04:24 HST, David Ross wrote: >> >BTW, if you're not using data compression, you can save lots of bytes in >> >W95 by using it. >> >> Compression also slows down the system. This may or may not be important to you, depending on your >> applications. > >This ranges from somewhat true to totally false, depending on the >situation. During compression/decompression the CPU *is* burdened with >extra processing; however, (1) this is much worse for compression than >decompression, and for big files (like executables ) the former is only >done once, and (2) the reduction in data to be transferred to/from the >drive speeds overall processing, especially when the CPU is relatively >fast and the drive is relatively slow. I use Superstore under DOS/W3.1 on a >desktop, and find that data access on my compressed partition is somewhat >faster than on the uncompressed partition. I have a compressed virtual >disk using Win95OSR2's compression on my TP560, and it is comparable in >speed to the uncompressed drive. I used a similar arrangement on my >701, and found the compressed drive to be only marginally slower than >the uncompressed one (and I was using maximum compression on that >drive). > I guess I'm just not used to the speed of compression, because my fastest machine is only a Pentium 75mhz server running Warp Server and Linux, and my slowest PC is my 5150 IBM PC (4.77mhz), and I have grown accustomed to wait for PKZIP to take 5 minutes to compress what takes <30 secs. on my server. One question for everyone out there though: which OSes having given you the best performance w/ compression, and which gave the worst? I run a variety of OSes myself with 10+ older computers, so I would be interested to find out. Thanks. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 21:07:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056892064; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:07:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04505; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:48:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:47:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04425; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:47:47 -0400 Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04414; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:47:44 -0400 Received: from ONLINE.PAD (user-37kb9bk.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.165.116]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28839 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970607142709.006b1194@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: 109j8eniuojc#mail63.internetmci.com@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 14:47:04 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Ward Subject: Replacement eraserheads and power supplies for TP560 - Where are good cheap sources? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My boss' machine is in need of a replacement eraserhead for the trackpoint as well as a A/C adapter for his 560 series Thinkpad. Is there a cheaper place to obtain these items from rather than calling the IBM parts supply line? - Bill --- http://www4.ncsu.edu/~wwward wwward@unity.ncsu.edu (919) 272-2212 Available 24 hours a day. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 21:07:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056932065; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:07:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02953; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:56:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:55:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02860; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:55:42 -0400 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02850; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:55:39 -0400 Received: from jloyless (host.metlife.com [204.146.159.191]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA41572; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:55:34 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970607135535.0138bc30@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 13:55:35 -0400 To: Steve Hultquist From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New Thinkpad 760? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <33999543.D794DD33@wwsi.com> References: <199706070105.SAA14604@norway.it.earthlink.net> <3.0.1.32.19970607075931.0138a430@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:07 AM 6/7/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Thanks, tho, for letting me know, and reminding me it's the 765. Is >there a letter designation? > The one I saw did not have the little plate with the model number and letter designation on it, and I didn't think to ask. The sign over the display just said ThinkPad 765. (Did I mention that the screen was *HUGE*?? ) Supposedly, the TP765 announcement will be made this Tuesday. You can read it here then: http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/ibmlink?xu=guest&xh=logon&request=usa.announcemen ts&parms=Q I also saw the TP380 - very nice machine, but I don't like the thickness required to accomodate both the CD and the floppy drives. I had one of the Dell XPI CD P150 machines for a while (gave it back to my manager and said I'd rather keep my 486 TP755CE - the screen was terrible and the keyboard was worse). It was thick like the new TP380, and with my short fingers, I had problems picking it up and carrying it around. Between the slick case and the thickness, I always felt like I was about to drop it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 7 21:07:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056972068; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:07:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01261; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:07:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:05:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01105; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:05:30 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01095; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:05:26 -0400 Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04675; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:12:01 -0600 Message-Id: <33999543.D794DD33@wwsi.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 11:07:15 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Thinkpad 760? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706070105.SAA14604@norway.it.earthlink.net> <3.0.1.32.19970607075931.0138a430@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jane Loyless wrote: > The screen was *HUGE*. It was amazing how much bigger it appeared than the > 12.1" sitting next to it. Sweet! That's what I wanted to hear! Hmmm... I may have to bridge a couple of weeks, then, so I'll have to figure out how to do that. I know my new associate wouldn't be to keen on the idea of waiting a week or two for this one (would you?), so I have some fun in front of me! Thanks, tho, for letting me know, and reminding me it's the 765. Is there a letter designation? -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 01:17:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA126257065; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 01:17:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28344; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 01:17:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 01:14:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28179; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 01:14:53 -0400 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28169; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 01:14:50 -0400 Received: from tp760cdo (slip129-37-180-80.bc.ca.ibm.net [129.37.180.80]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA72504 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 05:14:45 GMT Message-Id: <339A3FE5.3314@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 23:15:17 -0600 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net Organization: SIVCO.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Thinkpad 760?] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D7C53D42FD" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D7C53D42FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geza Szivos Systems Engineer, SIVCO Inc. BESTeam and TEAMOS2 Member Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, LAN Server Engineer, DB/2 Developer Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, VisualWarehouse Spec. Tel: (403)-850-4500 FAX: (403)-547-4741 Szivos@ibm.net TalkLink:lnk9094 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- szivos@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net --------------D7C53D42FD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3399EF23.389B@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 17:30:43 -0600 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net Organization: SIVCO.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New Thinkpad 760? References: <199706070105.SAA14604@norway.it.earthlink.net> <3.0.1.32.19970607075931.0138a430@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3.0.1.32.19970607135535.0138bc30@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can I use the harddrive from 760 in the 765 ? who nows it? Jane Loyless wrote: > Supposedly, the TP765 announcement will be made this Tuesday. You can read > it here then: > > http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/ibmlink?xu=guest&xh=logon&request=usa.announcemen > ts&parms=Q > > I also saw the TP380 - very nice machine, but I don't like the thickness > required to accomodate both the CD and the floppy drives. I had one of the > Dell XPI CD P150 machines for a while (gave it back to my manager and said > I'd rather keep my 486 TP755CE - the screen was terrible and the keyboard > was worse). It was thick like the new TP380, and with my short fingers, I > had problems picking it up and carrying it around. Between the slick case > and the thickness, I always felt like I was about to drop it. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geza Szivos Systems Engineer, SIVCO Inc. BESTeam and TEAMOS2 Member Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, LAN Server Engineer, DB/2 Developer Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, VisualWarehouse Spec. Tel: (403)-850-4500 FAX: (403)-547-4741 Szivos@ibm.net TalkLink:lnk9094 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- szivos@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net --------------D7C53D42FD-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 02:31:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147801480; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 02:31:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00293; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 02:30:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 02:28:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29839; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 02:28:10 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29829; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 02:28:07 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA03552; Sat, 7 Jun 97 20:28:04 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA27186; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:29:01 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706080629.UAA27186@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: novice questions To: pkhoury@earthlink.net Date: Sat, 7 Jun 97 20:28:59 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706072143.OAA03194@italy.it.earthlink.net>; from "Paul Khoury" at Jun 7, 97 2:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I guess I'm just not used to the speed of compression, because my fastest machine is only a Pentium 75mhz > server running Warp Server and Linux, and my slowest PC is my 5150 IBM PC (4.77mhz), and I have grown > accustomed to wait for PKZIP to take 5 minutes to compress what takes <30 secs. on my server. One Programs like ZIP aren't really at issue here; I was talking about on-the-fly programs like Superstore, Doublespace, Drivespace, etc. BTW, some of these also have the advantage of not wasting space due to sector quantization. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 08:10:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253721832; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:10:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16082; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:10:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:08:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15945; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:08:52 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15934; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:08:48 -0400 Received: from axel-tp (actually rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:08:32 +0200 Received: by axel-tp with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7415.6C600AA0@axel-tp>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:08:22 +0200 Message-Id: <01BC7415.6C600AA0@axel-tp> From: axel hartmann To: "'Randal Whittle'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: novice questions Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:11:24 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Friday, June 06, 1997 16:42, Randal Whittle[SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] wrote: >At 09:19 PM 6/5/97 -0700, Peter Lewis wrote: >>My 360meg HD is approaching full on the TP701C, on which I am running [...] > I'll try. :-) > > First, you worry about what drive you get. Basically, any standard 2.5" >notebook drive should work in your machine. You *could* go as big as 3 GB >I believe. Careful, careful! the laptop in question is the 701, and it only takes 2.5" drives up to 0.5" = 12.5mm high. many cheap drives are 17mm and will not fit. also, the standard pin arrangement of the 2.5" drives has changed recently regarding master/single master/slave status of the drive and tha way they need to be shorted. I am not sure if that applies with the 701. I won't even go into the problems with the caddies... axel ...................................................................... Axel Hartmann . Paper (until : Am Bach 8; 51427 Berg. Gladbach; Germany . Voice June 11): [0|xx49] 2204 - 66148 . E-Mail (valid!): Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . ...................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 14:12:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA048143553; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:12:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25372; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:11:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:09:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25097; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:09:27 -0400 Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24991; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:08:55 -0400 Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id LAA19941 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000B9D3; Sun, 8 Jun 97 11:09:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:10:12 -0700 Message-Id: <0000B9D3.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: Dock II and mounting brackets To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have a source for the 1 inch (Slimbay) and 1/2 height bay mounting brackets for a Dock II? I believe the IBM part number is 66G3335 (from the Dock II manual). IBM Direct in Boulder says "Doooh... Those brackets are impossible to get." I've spent about one hour on IBM's 800 line trying to track them down. Everyone in IBM seems to say, "Oh yeah, THOSE parts." Although I'm ready to kludge something together with a hacksaw, it would be nice if I had the real parts so that in the event my Dock gets moved, the hard drive and CD don't go in opposite directions. Thanks, Mitchell mitchell_yee@jud.ca.gov From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 15:10:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA063457020; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:10:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27093; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:09:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:08:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27015; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:08:54 -0400 Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27004; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:08:51 -0400 Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:55:25 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:55:25 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: pcolsen@super.org Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Parallel port/Ethernet Interface on TP-750? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Peter C. Olsen wrote: > I'd like to know if anyone has ever got a ThinkPad 750 to work > with an external parallel-to-scsi adapter. I've been trying to Did you check the settings of the parallel port (bi-directional, enabled, etc.)? Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 15:25:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067597937; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:25:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27764; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:24:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:24:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27683; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:24:28 -0400 Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27673; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:24:24 -0400 Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25472; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:20:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:20:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Steve Hultquist Cc: Jane Loyless , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Thinkpad 760? In-Reply-To: <33999543.D794DD33@wwsi.com> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu They'll probably announce the new machines next week at PC Expo. On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Steve Hultquist wrote: > Jane Loyless wrote: > > The screen was *HUGE*. It was amazing how much bigger it appeared than the > > 12.1" sitting next to it. > > Sweet! That's what I wanted to hear! Hmmm... I may have to bridge a > couple of weeks, then, so I'll have to figure out how to do that. I know > my new associate wouldn't be to keen on the idea of waiting a week or > two for this one (would you?), so I have some fun in front of me! > > Thanks, tho, for letting me know, and reminding me it's the 765. Is > there a letter designation? > -- > Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. > Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado > mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 15:27:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067978033; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:27:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25257; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:10:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:06:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24510; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:06:35 -0400 Received: from jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu (jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24485; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:06:30 -0400 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #13870) id <01IJTZDI8ZCW96VMNC@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #13870) id <01IJTZDDKLL095MM4A@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu id <1906-6>; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:05:56 -0400 Received: by n2ell.columbia.md.us (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0wam1e-0008WlC; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:45:00 -0400 From: "Peter C. Olsen" Subject: Parallel port/Ethernet Interface on TP-750? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: pcolsen@super.org Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, alone Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'd like to know if anyone has ever got a ThinkPad 750 to work with an external parallel-to-scsi adapter. I've been trying to get an AtLanTek adapter to work with Linux, but without success. I'm beginning to wonder if the TP750 has a full parallel port or just enough to communicate with a printer. Peter From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 15:28:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA068178082; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:28:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25243; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:10:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:06:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24507; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:06:35 -0400 Received: from jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu (jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24479; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:06:29 -0400 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #13870) id <01IJTZDH5CGW96VMUI@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #13870) id <01IJTZDDKLL095MM4A@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu id <1594-6>; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:05:57 -0400 Received: by n2ell.columbia.md.us (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0wam6j-0008WlC; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:50:00 -0400 From: "Peter C. Olsen" Subject: Parallel port/Ethernet Interface on TP-750? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: pcolsen@super.org Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, alone Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'd like to know if anyone has ever got a ThinkPad 750 to work with an external parallel-to-ethernet adapter. I've been trying to get an AtLanTek adapter to work with Linux, but without success. I'm beginning to wonder if the TP750 has a full parallel port or just enough to communicate with a printer. Peter From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 15:29:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA068418140; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:29:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25234; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:10:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:06:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24509; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:06:35 -0400 Received: from jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu (jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24477; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:06:27 -0400 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #13870) id <01IJTZDFMCMO95MRA0@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #13870) id <01IJTZDDKLL095MM4A@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu id <1686-1>; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:05:56 -0400 Received: by n2ell.columbia.md.us (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0wam3P-0008WlC; Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:46:00 -0400 From: "Peter C. Olsen" Subject: Parallel port on TP-750? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: pcolsen@super.org Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, alone Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'd like to know if anyone has ever got a ThinkPad 750 to interface successfully with any parallel device other than a printer. I've been trying to get an AtLanTek parallel-to-ethernet adapter to work with Linux, but without success. I'm beginning to wonder if the TP750 has a full parallel port or just enough to communicate with a printer. Peter From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 16:34:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA086132084; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:34:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00658; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:33:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:32:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00573; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:32:57 -0400 Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00560; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:32:53 -0400 Received: from jloyless (slip166-72-160-184.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.184]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA99944; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:32:48 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970608163311.0135db30@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 16:33:11 -0400 To: Joshua Hosseinof From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New Thinkpad 760? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <33999543.D794DD33@wwsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:20 PM 6/8/97 -0400, you wrote: > >They'll probably announce the new machines next week at PC Expo. > Ummm... That may happen, but I read something since then that said IBM and a few other companies were making their announcements this coming week prior to PC Expo to avoid the rush. That fits in with what the IBMer at COMDEX told me. Guess we'll all know for sure come Tuesday! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 8 20:44:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA157507070; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:44:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06625; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:43:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:42:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06500; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:42:22 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06490; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:42:18 -0400 Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11259; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:48:52 -0600 Message-Id: <339B51CF.94CC0E7E@wwsi.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 18:43:59 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless Cc: Joshua Hosseinof , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Thinkpad 760? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33999543.D794DD33@wwsi.com> <3.0.1.32.19970608163311.0135db30@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Tuesday is IBM's "Announcement Day". They rarely coincide announcements with events. It's just the way they do things. ssh (12-year IBM veteran who departed in 1994--without any buyout!) -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 9 13:18:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA137036692; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:18:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17778; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:17:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:11:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17266; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:11:07 -0400 Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17256; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:11:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199706091711.NAA17256@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" , "pcolsen@super.org" Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 10:11:01 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Parallel port on TP-750? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On the 750 you have to enable EPP in the "easy setup" program. Under "config" set the parallel port to "parallel_2". This is one of those IBM "undocumented features" that OS2 users are quite familiar with. IBM seems to have a CIA-like attitude towards documentation. On Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:46:00 -0400, Peter C. Olsen wrote: > >I'd like to know if anyone has ever got a ThinkPad 750 to >interface successfully with any parallel device other than a >printer. I've been trying to get an AtLanTek >parallel-to-ethernet adapter to work with Linux, but without >success. I'm beginning to wonder if the TP750 has a full >parallel port or just enough to communicate with a printer. > >Peter > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 9 14:35:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160181330; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:35:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21781; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:33:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:32:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21680; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:32:16 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21670; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:32:13 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA09648 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:31:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:31:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706091831.NAA09648@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Received: from sjx-ca28-23.ix.netcom.com(204.31.235.119) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009139; Mon Jun 9 13:30:18 1997 From: krosen@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Rosenblatt) Subject: Experience with EXP CD-ROM drive? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello: I'm contemplating buying a 4x PCMCIA CD-ROM drive to use with my Thinkpad 560. I'm considering buying a unit made by EXP that sells for $160, compared with $299 for units from Sony (a 6x) and Panasonic (4x). One difference is that the EXP unit weighs 3 lbs, but I'm not planning on moving it, anyway; I just want something faster than a parallel port model. Has anyone had experience with this unit? EXP claims that it is compatible--is anybody using it with a 560? Am I better off spending the extra $140 to buy the Sony or Panasonic? Thanks. Ken Rosenblatt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 9 14:52:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165692346; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:52:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22846; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:51:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:51:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22738; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:51:08 -0400 Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22728; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:51:05 -0400 Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25179; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08831; Mon, 9 Jun 97 14:56:56 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA24169; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:56:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:56:55 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Kenneth Rosenblatt Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Experience with EXP CD-ROM drive? In-Reply-To: <199706091831.NAA09648@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Kenneth Rosenblatt wrote: > I'm contemplating buying a 4x PCMCIA CD-ROM drive to use with my > Thinkpad 560. I'm considering buying a unit made by EXP that sells for > $160, compared with $299 for units from Sony (a 6x) and Panasonic (4x). > [...] > Has anyone had experience with this unit? EXP claims that it is > compatible--is anybody using it with a 560? Am I better off spending > the extra $140 to buy the Sony or Panasonic? Dunno about the EXP. The Panasonic uses a QLogic PCMCIA SCSI card and a standard mini SCSI-2 plug, so you can use it with other SCSI devices w/o much problem. The Sony is also a SCSI, but uses a proprietary connector with (AFIK) no adapter for use with standard SCSI devices. I got the Panasonic for my TP701, and aside from it being a little noisy, I'm very happy with it. It's got an AC adapter half the size of a pack of gum, and doubles as an audio CD player (w/o computer). The Sony I think comes with a battery option. If you don't need to move the thing, you may be better off getting an Adaptec SCSI2 PCMCIA card (around $170) and picking up a used external SCSI CD-ROM from someone who's upgraded to an 8x or 16x. Both the Adaptec and QLogic work with Linux and all the other major OSes (DOS, Win??, OS/2). That'll give you the flexibility of adding other SCSI devices (Zip drives, Jaz drives, external hard drives, scanners, etc.), as well as upgrading to a faster CD-ROM or CD-Recordable drive in the future w/o having to limit yourself to PCMCIA versions. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 9 15:09:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171353383; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:09:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24163; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:08:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:07:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24021; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:07:58 -0400 Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24011; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:07:53 -0400 Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA32524 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:56:21 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC74E6.EA729850@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:07:58 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: Thinkpad mailing list , "pcolsen@super.org" , Victor Kress Subject: RE: Parallel port on TP-750? Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:04:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 43 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think ECP is a superset of EPP and is probably better for SCSI transfers. Tom Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@SHL.com ---------- From: Victor Kress[SMTP:kress@u.washington.edu] Sent: 1997 June 9 - Monday 01:11 To: Thinkpad mailing list; pcolsen@super.org Subject: Re: Parallel port on TP-750? On the 750 you have to enable EPP in the "easy setup" program. Under "config" set the parallel port to "parallel_2". This is one of those IBM "undocumented features" that OS2 users are quite familiar with. IBM seems to have a CIA-like attitude towards documentation. On Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:46:00 -0400, Peter C. Olsen wrote: > >I'd like to know if anyone has ever got a ThinkPad 750 to >interface successfully with any parallel device other than a >printer. I've been trying to get an AtLanTek >parallel-to-ethernet adapter to work with Linux, but without >success. I'm beginning to wonder if the TP750 has a full >parallel port or just enough to communicate with a printer. > >Peter > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 9 17:35:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA220542145; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:35:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03637; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:34:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:33:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03542; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:33:25 -0400 Received: from gps.leeds.ac.uk (gps-fddi.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03529; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:33:20 -0400 Received: (from engjcc@localhost) by gps.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA25037 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:33:13 +0100 (BST) From: J C Cummings Message-Id: <199706092133.WAA25037@gps.leeds.ac.uk> Subject: Internet Sources for TP750 RAM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:33:12 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" at Mar 6, 97 12:15:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I asked this question once ages ago, but have lost the replies I got. Can anyone point me to any _reputable_ sources for ordering a 16MB Ram upgrade for my Tp750? I'm looking for either true-blue IBM memory or IBM-approved. (Is Kingston approved? What else?) Many Thanks, James Cummings engjcc@leeds.ac.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 9 19:36:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259579366; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:36:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08294; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:35:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:34:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08197; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:34:33 -0400 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk (mail-a.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08147; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:34:15 -0400 Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (actually host dialup-2.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:34:01 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970610003329.0068b0b8@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk> X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:33:29 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Video CD Sources ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu So, where do people buy Video CD's? They are scarce in London. Perhaps name of company, phone number, some idea of what they stock might be helpful, and rough prices. I'd be particularly interested in a source for Humphrey Bogart/Ingrid Bergman in "Casablanca" -- as well as current blockbuster movies. I may resort to transfering to AVI and Xing MPEG'ing my own copy of Casablanca if I can't find it somewhere for sale. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 10 03:07:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA085556467; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:07:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22082; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:07:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:06:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21878; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:06:07 -0400 Received: from voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (voltimand.csd.wwwi.com [199.1.92.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21867; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:06:03 -0400 Received: from themachine.fastride.com (plugh.lcs.com [199.1.93.10]) by voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA08640 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:05:01 GMT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970610064630.006dfdb0@pop.wwwi.com> X-Sender: lcs@pop.wwwi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 23:46:30 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Craig Larsen Subject: Re: Internet Sources for TP750 RAM Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:33 PM 6/9/97 +0100, you wrote: > >I asked this question once ages ago, but have lost the >replies I got. Can anyone point me to any _reputable_ >sources for ordering a 16MB Ram upgrade for my >Tp750? I'm looking for either true-blue IBM >memory or IBM-approved. (Is Kingston approved? What else?) (all prices are USD $) Kingston is not "Thinkpad Approved". One may wonder why.. the only two thinkpad approved memory vendors are Apex Data and Apricorn. I've got 2 32MB Kingston DIMM's in my 760ED. Cost: $300. They work fine. Apricorn's would have been $350 each. The thing to watch out for with Laptop memory is that they don't "stack" the ram. My Kingston 32MB DIMM's have 4 chips on each DIMM. A "stacked" DIMM would have about 8 or 10. I could have bought 2 "stacked" Hitachi 32MB DIMMs for my TP for $240 each, but I found out that this would have been the absolute worst solution: high power consumption, poor reliability. BTW, does anyone know if there is a 760ED specific mailing list ? Thanks, Craig Larsen larsenc@LCS.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 10 11:39:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226977148; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:39:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15045; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:37:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:36:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14961; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:36:55 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14950; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:36:52 -0400 Received: from mypc.usc.edu (comserv-g-15.usc.edu [128.125.223.159]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id IAA02873; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970610083504.0104db0c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:37:11 -0700 To: Craig Larsen From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Internet Sources for TP750 RAM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:46 PM 6/9/97 -0700, Craig Larsen wrote: >(all prices are USD $) > >Kingston is not "Thinkpad Approved". One may wonder why.. >the only two thinkpad approved memory vendors are Apex Data >and Apricorn. I've got 2 32MB Kingston DIMM's in my 760ED. >Cost: $300. They work fine. Apricorn's would have been >$350 each. There are other "ThinkPad Approved" memory vendors. I know for a fact GoldenRAM is one. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Director of Electronic Commerce, Marshall School of Business at USC From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 10 17:26:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036907967; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:26:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09032; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:41:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:40:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08907; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:40:19 -0400 Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08894; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:40:15 -0400 Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22849 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16832; Tue, 10 Jun 97 09:46:41 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA26137 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:46:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:46:40 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Internet Sources for TP750 RAM In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970610064630.006dfdb0@pop.wwwi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Craig Larsen wrote: > > Kingston is not "Thinkpad Approved". One may wonder why.. Probably because Kingston has enough name recognition to forego the large chunk of change IBM demands for "Thinkpad Approved" advertising privileges. I've used non-"Thinkpad Approved" memory on both my 750 (Paragon) and 701 (Kingston) w/o problems. The way I figured it, at the time, for the price of Thinkpad Approved memory, I could get almost twice as much Kingston or 3rd party memory. $269 for 8MB... Those were the days... -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 10 18:50:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA062803019; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:50:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17573; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:59:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:59:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17486; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:59:13 -0400 Received: from kim.teleport.com (kim.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17476; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:59:07 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx18-15.teleport.com [206.163.125.48]) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA00612 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706101559.IAA00612@kim.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The product announcement only talks about a 1 yr warranty...maybe they are only talking about the 560? I thought that there was to be a new direction toward upgradability and installed zip drive etc. No mention of either. Just bigger screen and faster mmx. Where is the innovation? Where is the excitement... Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 10 18:52:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA063403163; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:52:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18613; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:20:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:20:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18545; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:20:01 -0400 Received: from kim.teleport.com (kim.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18534; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:19:56 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx06-17.teleport.com [206.163.123.178]) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05530 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706101619.JAA05530@kim.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Warranty Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Oops IBM. On their main info page only talk of the one year warranty but on the TP spec page note the 3 yr. Wouldn't you think that IBM would have better editing than that? And still: Where is the innovation? Where is the excitement... My mac-buddy is still crowing over his high speed powerbook... Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 10 20:03:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA083917411; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:03:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17401; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:02:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:00:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17203; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:00:27 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17193; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:00:24 -0400 Received: from mypc.usc.edu (comserv-g-17.usc.edu [128.125.223.161]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id RAA24570; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970610165952.01054dfc@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:00:19 -0700 To: John Kim From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Internet Sources for TP750 RAM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:46 AM 6/10/97 -0400, John Kim wrote: >$269 for 8MB... Those were the days... I remember well! And to think that just a couple months ago I paid $205 for a 32 MB module! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 10 22:06:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA120354782; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:06:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24849; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:04:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:03:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24708; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:03:22 -0400 Received: from mail.trincoll.edu (mail.cc.trincoll.edu [157.252.10.251]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24698; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:03:19 -0400 Received: from slip166-72-209-94.ct.us.ibm.net by mail.trincoll.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/19-main-dsc) id WAA02780 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:03:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199706110203.WAA02780@mail.trincoll.edu> From: "David Howery" To: "IBM ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 22:02:07 -0400 Reply-To: "David Howery" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Reporting On 40 Meg RAM In TP 701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu About a month ago, when I first subscribed to the ThinkPad List, I wrote that I had just received my TP 701CS and that I planned to add a 32 Meg memory module as soon as possible. Another 701 owner, Bryan Daum, wrote me saying he didn't recall anyone reporting the performance of a TP701 with 40 Meg of RAM. Windows 95, OS/2 and Linux (and other UNIX based OSs) all benefit from increasing RAM. In my own limited experience, OS/2 shows striking performance increases. I first saw the effects of increasing RAM on my desktop OS/2 machine going from 16 to 32 and now 96 Meg. The performance improvement gained moving from 16 to 32 Meg was the most dramatic; but I couldn't resist when the price of 64 Meg SIMMs dropped below $400 last year . Well, I had to arm wrestle my "significant other" but I managed to come up with $309 to buy a 32 Meg module from CDCE (Corporate Direct Computer Enhancements). Wow, what a difference. I am one of those OS/2 zealots who doesn't consider using anything from Microsoft; especially Windows 95. But OS/2 on a 486DX75 with only 8 Meg of memory really tempted me to drop back to Windows 3.1. I am very pleased to report that with 40 Meg of RAM my little "Butterfly" flies like a eagle rather than fitfully as its namesake. Now I can routinely "surf the net" with a web browser, while capturing URLs from a newsreader, pasting interesting web text to a wordprocessor or data to a spreadsheet all the while with my mailer open so I can send and receive email. The small screen with minimal VGA and only 16 colors is less than ideal and the built-in 14.4 modem seems painfully slow at times but neither of those shortfall can be over come with the addition of RAM. It is easier to live with when I remind myself that I bought the TP701 to supplement my desktop machine NOT replace it. The TP 701's soldered-in CPU makes it a poor candidate for user replacement of the CPU. Evergreen Technologies offers a CPU upgrade for 486 portable systems, using the AMD 5x86/133 MHz processor and claiming P75 performance. The installation is performed & tested by factory trained technicians and comes with a one year parts and labor warranty. Unfortunately, it cost some $500. I am convinced that maxing out the RAM is the most cost effective way to improve the performance of the TP 701. At least it was for me. NOTE: IBM once cataloged a 32 Meg memory module for the TP 701 but no longer does so. There are probably some genuine IBM 32 Meg modules still floating around in the used memory sector but I couldn't find any. After searching the net for nearly a month the best price I could find was from CDCE (www.cdce.com). They build their own memory modules and guarantee them for life. They're nice folks to deal with too. ********************************************************************** David Howery Department of Biology Email - dhowery@trincoll.edu Trinity College Phone - (860) 297-5189 300 Summit Street FAX - (860) 297-2538 Hartford, CT 06106-3100 ********************************************************************** From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 10 22:23:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125485828; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:23:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25901; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:23:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:22:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25800; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:22:33 -0400 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (phr@netcom13.netcom.com [192.100.81.125]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25788; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:22:30 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id TAA06996; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:22:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:22:26 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199706110222.TAA06996@netcom13.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpad memory Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think most people have had good luck with brand name 3rd party memory including Kingston, but Kingston isn't Thinkpad Proven (tm). Apricorn is Thinkpad Proven and costs about the same, so I got it through Bill Morrow (www.thinkpads.com). His operation is pretty small, but he is a good guy so I'm happy to recommend him. You might be able to find slightly lower prices for non Thinkpad Proven memory thru some place like www.cdce.com. BTW, I have an 8 meg card (IBM brand) left over from my 755cx upgrade. I don't know what other models it fits. Anyone want it cheap? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 10 23:21:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142379276; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:21:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28516; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:20:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:19:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28363; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:19:39 -0400 Received: from unexexch.unex.ucla.edu (exchange.unex.ucla.edu [128.97.115.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28344; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:19:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199706110319.XAA28344@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by exchange.unex.ucla.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:18:36 -0700 From: "Swartz, Charles" To: krosen@ix.netcom.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Experience with EXP CD-ROM drive? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:14:01 -0700 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Think you'll find you can get the 8x Panasonic (KXL-783A) for under $299. I bought one for my 560 from CDW and am very pleased. It has some fairly good speakers (nice for presentations) and plug-and-played perfectly. Charles Swartz ---------- From: krosen@ix.netcom.com[SMTP:krosen@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 11:32 AM To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Experience with EXP CD-ROM drive? Hello: I'm contemplating buying a 4x PCMCIA CD-ROM drive to use with my Thinkpad 560. I'm considering buying a unit made by EXP that sells for $160, compared with $299 for units from Sony (a 6x) and Panasonic (4x). One difference is that the EXP unit weighs 3 lbs, but I'm not planning on moving it, anyway; I just want something faster than a parallel port model. Has anyone had experience with this unit? EXP claims that it is compatible--is anybody using it with a 560? Am I better off spending the extra $140 to buy the Sony or Panasonic? Thanks. Ken Rosenblatt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 09:26:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA017735617; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:26:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27939; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:26:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:24:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27733; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:24:44 -0400 Received: from hoopla.mrl.nyu.edu (news@HOOPLA.MRL.NYU.EDU [128.122.47.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27721; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:24:40 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by hoopla.mrl.nyu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28341; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:29:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: David Fox Newsgroups: thinkpad Subject: Re: New TP 560? Date: 11 Jun 1997 10:29:18 -0400 Organization: NYU Media Research Lab. Lines: 19 Message-Id: References: <3.0.32.19970606084049.008bdaa0@mailhost.hooked.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: hoopla.mrl.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jesse Montrose writes: > > At 11:16 AM 6/6/97 -0400, Jeff Sokolov wrote: > ]I couldn't find such an announcement on either the IBM Thinkpad web-page, > ]comp.sys.laptops, or at www.pcmag.com. > ] > ]Would you please be more specific as to where you saw this news. > > pc week > > http://www8.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0526/30mibm.html > > Says it adds an l2 cache and bumps up the base ram to 16mb, too. Dare we hope for an extra Meg of video RAM? -- David Fox http://www.cat.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab fox@cat.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 10:08:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029968135; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:08:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29885; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:08:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:06:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29765; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:06:55 -0400 Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29755; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:06:52 -0400 Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14089; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00768; Wed, 11 Jun 97 10:12:44 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA01109; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:12:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: krosen@ix.netcom.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Experience with EXP CD-ROM drive? In-Reply-To: <199706110319.XAA28344@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Swartz, Charles wrote: > Think you'll find you can get the 8x Panasonic (KXL-783A) for under > $299. I bought one for my 560 from CDW and am very pleased. It has > some fairly good speakers (nice for presentations) and plug-and-played > perfectly. The Panasonic KXL-783A uses a non-standard SCSI-2 interface. It works fine under Windows, but I couldn't get it to work under Linux. I even tried it with the Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI card (said to be compatible with just about everything SCSI under the sun) and it didn't work. Furthermore, I talked with a couple folks about this and found that David Hinds (author of Linux's PCMCIA drivers) stated the drive is nonstandard and will probably never work under Linux. Avoid it unless you never plan to leave Windows. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 10:43:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA040330215; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:43:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02676; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:42:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:41:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02510; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:41:32 -0400 Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02491; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:41:27 -0400 Received: from rainier (slip129-37-226-67.ut.us.ibm.net [129.37.226.67]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA56328; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:41:22 GMT Message-Id: <339EB8A9.4C9@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:39:37 -0600 From: Bob Angell Reply-To: aimsllc@ibm.net Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems (AIMS) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List , John Kim Subject: Re: Experience with EXP CD-ROM drive? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John Kim wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Swartz, Charles wrote: > > > Think you'll find you can get the 8x Panasonic (KXL-783A) for under > > $299. I bought one for my 560 from CDW and am very pleased. It has > > some fairly good speakers (nice for presentations) and plug-and-played > > perfectly. > > The Panasonic KXL-783A uses a non-standard SCSI-2 interface. It > works fine under Windows, but I couldn't get it to work under > Linux. I even tried it with the Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI card (said > to be compatible with just about everything SCSI under the sun) > and it didn't work. Furthermore, I talked with a couple folks > about this and found that David Hinds (author of Linux's PCMCIA > drivers) stated the drive is nonstandard and will probably never > work under Linux. I have had good luck with the Backpack CDROM. 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(Tampa Tribune 9 Jun 97) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 12:22:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073336175; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:22:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09056; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:18:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:17:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08907; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:17:12 -0400 Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (root@shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08894; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:17:07 -0400 Received: from [140.192.158.56] (terminator8.dpo.depaul.edu [140.192.158.56]) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with SMTP id LAA17331; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:07:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706111607.LAA17331@shrike.depaul.edu> To: Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post Subject: Bad Keys on 360CSE Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 11:17:13 -0500 From: Pat Vellender X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -- [ From: Pat Vellender * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi, The 9, O, L, PERIOD, F6, F7 and F8 on my 360CSE are not working. All other keys work fine. If I plug an external keyboard into the keyboard/mouse port via a Y-adapter cable, all keys work fine. Is there anything I can do to fix this problem or do I need to replace the keyboard? Anyone out there with a dead 360 that wants to sell the keyboard? Part # is 84G5728. Thanks, Pat V. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 13:14:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091099261; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:14:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13201; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:12:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:11:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13008; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:11:17 -0400 Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12974; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:11:11 -0400 Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA13505; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:10:43 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199706111710.UAA13505@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 20:10:43 +0300 To: David Fox , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: New TP 560? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.29 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 at 10:29 AM you, David Fox , said: >Dare we hope for an extra Meg of video RAM? The announcement can now be found on IBM's page: http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/news/thinkpad/tp003.html The 560E features 2 MB of video RAM (and 4 Mbps infrared). Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 13:30:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096150204; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:30:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14675; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:29:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:27:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14497; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:27:56 -0400 Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14486; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:27:52 -0400 Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA51976 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:16:22 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC766B.4D8D37D0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:28:09 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: IBM ThinkPad Mailing List , David Howery Subject: RE: Reporting On 40 Meg RAM In TP 701 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:22:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 27 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Re: ---------- From: David Howery[SMTP:David.Howery@mail.cc.trincoll.edu] Sent: 1997 June 10 - Tuesday 22:02 To: IBM ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Reporting On 40 Meg RAM In TP 701 . . . . . . newsreader, pasting interesting web text to a wordprocessor or data to a spreadsheet all the while with my mailer open so I can send and receive email. The small screen with minimal VGA and only 16 colors is less than ideal and the built-in 14.4 modem seems painfully slow at times but neither of those shortfall can be over . . . . . . You're missing out on 65520 colours... Win95 supports 65,536 colours on my 701cs. Surely OS/2 can do as well. Check the Chips and Technology or the IBM sites for a good driver. Tom Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@SHL.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 14:06:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106432373; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:06:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17811; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:04:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:03:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17691; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:03:34 -0400 Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17660; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:03:29 -0400 Received: by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA49714; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:59:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Fabian Rodriguez <94251116@callisto.si.usherb.ca> Reply-To: Fabian.Rodriguez@callisto.si.usherb.ca Cc: IBM ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: 65K colors on 365XD? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: InterActions! http://callisto.si.usherb.ca/~94251116 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Just wondering if there is a driver that support more than 256 colors on the 365XD TFT display (not external monitor)..? Tx. Fabian From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 14:34:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115824081; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:34:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20708; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:32:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:30:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20406; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:30:45 -0400 Received: from omega.turknet.com.tr ([194.54.52.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20382; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:30:29 -0400 Received: from [194.54.55.44] by omega.turknet.com.tr (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ea236552 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:32:23 +0300 Message-Id: <339F7B0C.B0E@turk.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:29:00 -0700 From: Arifi Koseoglu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Disassembling a 701CS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, The speaker in a friend's 701 sounds like it either died or got unplugged (is this possible ?). I am looking for information on whether I can open the case, locate and replace/fix the speaker myself. Has anyone here done this ? Is there any information (for example diagrams) on the net ? I will greatly appreciate any pointers. Thanks in advance, Arifi -- arifi@turk.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 14:53:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA122505219; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:53:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21956; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:51:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:50:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21853; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:50:55 -0400 Received: from vader.dhs.com (root@vader.dhs.com [198.69.202.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21841; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:50:48 -0400 Received: from jim.dhs.com ([198.69.202.22]) by vader.dhs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA09413; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:45:26 -0500 Message-Id: <339EEB50.5215@cyberramp.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:15:44 -0500 From: Jim McGhee Reply-To: jmcghee@cyberramp.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Arifi Koseoglu Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Disassembling a 701CS References: <339F7B0C.B0E@turk.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Go to http://www3.pc.ibm.com:80/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/hcmobv-2/CCONTENTS scroll down to the 701 info and follow the links. It looks like they plan to include diagrams, but all thats there now is the text description for disassembly. IBM Direct at http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts/cvrpage.htm has a diagram of the 701 at http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts/thinkpad/tpad701.htm and will sell you individual parts at often reasonable prices. Hope this helps, Jim McGhee Arifi Koseoglu wrote: > > Hello, > > The speaker in a friend's 701 sounds like it either died or > got unplugged (is this possible ?). I am looking for information > on whether I can open the case, locate and replace/fix the speaker > myself. Has anyone here done this ? Is there any information (for > example diagrams) on the net ? > I will greatly appreciate any pointers. > Thanks in advance, > Arifi > -- > arifi@turk.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 15:18:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130366728; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:18:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23742; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:16:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:15:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23649; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:15:14 -0400 Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23638; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:15:09 -0400 Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:46:57 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:46:57 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Arifi Koseoglu Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Disassembling a 701CS In-Reply-To: <339F7B0C.B0E@turk.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Arifi Koseoglu wrote: > The speaker in a friend's 701 sounds like it either died or > got unplugged (is this possible ?). I am looking for information > on whether I can open the case, locate and replace/fix the speaker > myself. Has anyone here done this ? Is there any information (for > example diagrams) on the net ? Have a look at http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts/thinkpad/tpad701.htm Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 15:55:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142468908; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:55:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26402; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:53:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:52:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26111; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:52:02 -0400 Received: from mail2.wilmington.net (mail2.wilmington.net [199.72.95.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26093; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:51:58 -0400 Received: from pdial65.wisedial.wilmington.net (pdial81.wisedial.wilmington.net [199.72.96.81]) by mail2.wilmington.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29554 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:48:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199706111948.PAA29554@mail2.wilmington.net> From: "Phillip C. Wolf" To: "Thinkpad" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 15:51:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Phillip C. Wolf" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 701CS floppy nowork Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I faintly remember an authoritative source which said the answer to my problem is, "Off to EasyServe" but I wanted to check first with the knowledge base on this list: The floppy does not respond. Or rather, it responds with lights and whirrs, but then delivers a message: "The disk cannot be accessed." I have worked with combinations of port addresses and such on the bios and diags pages with no success. Upon receipt of my machine the floppy worked correctly, and did so for many months after after the Bios flash update I got from IBM. I believe I remember the incident when this trouble began: an unthinking hot-plug of the floppy after a late night. Can someone confirm hot-plugging is a no-no and EasyServe is the answer? 701cs 486-75 20 meg ram 720 hd Many thanks in advance. Phillip C. Wolf ----------------------------------------------- pcwolf philosopher-at-large beautiful Wilmington NC From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 15:55:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142588922; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:55:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26406; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:53:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:52:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26144; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:52:17 -0400 Received: from p3.net (root@p3.net [206.67.12.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26134; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:52:14 -0400 Received: from ork.p3.net (nbwgc50.p3.net [206.137.135.114]) by p3.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10296 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:50:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970611154804.00714000@p3.net> X-Sender: ork@p3.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:48:04 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Aaron Tunnell Subject: Want Thinkpad 701 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Looking for a new or used 701, dx-4, with 540 or better drive TFT. 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Rusted Root- It can't be explained, it must be experienced. =20 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 19:24:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211631462; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:24:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07573; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:23:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:21:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07426; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:21:36 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07416; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:21:33 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA14327; Wed, 11 Jun 97 13:21:31 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA27941; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:22:28 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706112322.NAA27941@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 701CS floppy nowork To: pcwolf@wilmington.net Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 13:22:27 HST Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706111948.PAA29554@mail2.wilmington.net>; from "Phillip C. Wolf" at Jun 11, 97 3:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Can someone confirm hot-plugging is a no-no and EasyServe is the > answer? I used to hot plug/unplug my 701 floppy all the time, in all 3 operating systems; never had a problem. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 19:27:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213171676; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:27:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07945; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:27:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:26:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07861; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:26:38 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07839; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:26:30 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA14364; Wed, 11 Jun 97 13:26:28 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA27951; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:27:25 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706112327.NAA27951@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Disassembling a 701CS To: arifi@turk.net (Arifi Koseoglu) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 13:27:24 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <339F7B0C.B0E@turk.net>; from "Arifi Koseoglu" at Jun 11, 97 9:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > The speaker in a friend's 701 sounds like it either died or > got unplugged (is this possible ?). Two other causes of the speaker going south are: (1) problems with the headphone jack. Try pluging/unplugging/wiggling headphones until you're sure the jack contacts are returning to speaker mode when the 'phones are removed. (2) Problems with the DSP. Is there sound through headphones when you plug them in? If not, then your DSP (rather than your speaker) is likely the problem. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 19:59:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222993587; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:59:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09456; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:58:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:58:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09364; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:58:22 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09354; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:58:19 -0400 Received: from tournesol.jrn.columbia.edu (dialup-23-13.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.47.113]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id TAA06725 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970611195339.009cb9c0@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:53:39 -0400 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Selling a 701C In-Reply-To: <199706112322.NAA27941@tarski.hawaii.edu> References: <199706111948.PAA29554@mail2.wilmington.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In general, what is a good price to ask for that: IBM ThinkPad 701C - Intel 486DX4-100 - 24 megs of RAM - 750 megs hard drive - 10.4" active matrix color screen - 4.1 lbs (!) - Built-in SoundBlaster compatible sound - Full-size "butterfly" keyboard - External floppy drive - Mini Docking station (VGA Out, serial, parallel and PS/2 ports) - 2 PCMCIA (PC Card) slots - Internal 14.4 Kb/s modem - 28.8 Kb/s Megahertz (XJ4288) PC Card modem - Windows 95 OSR2 and Microsoft Office 97 pre-installed - Excellent condition (2 years left on the warranty) Thanks. -- Yann Nicolas Systems Administrator - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 20:22:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229634941; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:22:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10557; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:21:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:21:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10479; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:21:15 -0400 Received: from andrew.cais.com (andrew.cais.com [199.0.216.215]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10469; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:21:12 -0400 Received: from cais.cais.com (rj@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by andrew.cais.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id UAA10855; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:21:08 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Yann Nicolas Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Selling a 701C In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970611195339.009cb9c0@jrn.columbia.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu That would depend how how you got a 486DX4-100 into the 701 as the 701 never came configured with such a chip. On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Yann Nicolas wrote: > > In general, what is a good price to ask for that: > > IBM ThinkPad 701C > > - Intel 486DX4-100 > - 24 megs of RAM > - 750 megs hard drive > - 10.4" active matrix color screen > - 4.1 lbs (!) > - Built-in SoundBlaster compatible sound > - Full-size "butterfly" keyboard > - External floppy drive > - Mini Docking station (VGA Out, serial, parallel and PS/2 ports) > - 2 PCMCIA (PC Card) slots > - Internal 14.4 Kb/s modem > - 28.8 Kb/s Megahertz (XJ4288) PC Card modem > - Windows 95 OSR2 and Microsoft Office 97 pre-installed > - Excellent condition (2 years left on the warranty) > > Thanks. > -- > Yann Nicolas > Systems Administrator - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University > yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 21:02:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA241267377; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:02:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12501; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:01:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:00:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12301; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:00:41 -0400 Received: from tor-srs2.netcom.ca (tor-srs2.netcom.ca [207.93.1.164]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12280; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:00:36 -0400 Received: from Thinkpad (van-bc6-45.netcom.ca [207.181.72.237]) by tor-srs2.netcom.ca (8.8.5/NETCOM) id UAA16572; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706120059.UAA16572@tor-srs2.netcom.ca> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "David S. Crombie" To: Cc: "IBM ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 65K colors on 365XD? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:56:28 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC7690.C956AC00" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7690.C956AC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 365XD running 65K colors. After a harddrive crash I had to = download the drivers (audio/video) form IBM's site. It should be listed = under support/drivers. Sorry, I don't have the URL handy - maybe = someone else does.... _______________________________________ David S. Crombie dcrombie@bc.sympatico.ca dscrombi@aol.com ---- From: Fabian Rodriguez <94251116@callisto.si.usherb.ca> Cc: IBM ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 11:04 AM Subject: 65K colors on 365XD? Hello, Just wondering if there is a driver that support more than 256 colors on the 365XD TFT display (not external monitor)..? Tx. Fabian ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7690.C956AC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a 365XD running 65K colors. After a harddrive crash I had to = download the drivers (audio/video) form IBM's site. It should be listed = under=20 support/drivers. Sorry, I don't have the URL handy - maybe someone else = does....

_______________________________________
David S. Crombie
dcrombie@bc.sympatico.ca
dscrombi@aol.com

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From: Fabian Rodriguez <94251116@callisto.si.usherb.ca>
Cc: IBM ThinkPad Mailing List <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 11:04 AM
Subject: 65K colors on 365XD?

Hello,

Just wondering if there is a driver that support more than 256 colors = on
the 365XD TFT display (not external monitor)..?

Tx.

Fabian
 ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7690.C956AC00-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 21:02:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA241307378; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:02:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12503; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:01:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:00:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12300; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:00:40 -0400 Received: from tor-srs2.netcom.ca (tor-srs2.netcom.ca [207.93.1.164]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12281; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:00:36 -0400 Received: from Thinkpad (van-bc6-45.netcom.ca [207.181.72.237]) by tor-srs2.netcom.ca (8.8.5/NETCOM) id UAA16561; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706120059.UAA16561@tor-srs2.netcom.ca> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "David S. Crombie" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post" , "Pat Vellender" Subject: Re: Bad Keys on 360CSE Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:58:21 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC7691.0CF130C0" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7691.0CF130C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a 360C that had the same problem - some keys just stopped working. = I, however, fortunately had it done under warranty. IBM just replaced = the keyboard. As far as I know it's not an uncommon problem with that = keyboard. I'm not sure how much a keyboard would cost.... good luck _______________________________________ David S. Crombie dcrombie@bc.sympatico.ca dscrombi@aol.com ---- From: Pat Vellender To: Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 9:18 AM Subject: Bad Keys on 360CSE -- [ From: Pat Vellender * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi, The 9, O, L, PERIOD, F6, F7 and F8 on my 360CSE are not working. All = other keys work fine. If I plug an external keyboard into the keyboard/mouse = port via a Y-adapter cable, all keys work fine. Is there anything I can do = to fix this problem or do I need to replace the keyboard? Anyone out there with a dead 360 that wants to sell the keyboard? Part = # is 84G5728. Thanks, Pat V. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7691.0CF130C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had a 360C that had the same problem - some keys just stopped = working. I,=20 however, fortunately had it done under warranty. IBM just replaced the = keyboard.=20 As far as I know it's not an uncommon problem with that keyboard. I'm = not sure=20 how much a keyboard would cost.... good luck

_______________________________________
David S. Crombie
dcrombie@bc.sympatico.ca
dscrombi@aol.com

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From: Pat Vellender <pvellend@shrike.depaul.edu>
To: Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post = <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 9:18 AM
Subject: Bad Keys on 360CSE

-- [ From: Pat Vellender * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] = --

Hi,

The 9, O, L, PERIOD, F6, F7 and F8 on my 360CSE are not working.  = All=20 other
keys work fine.  If I plug an external keyboard into the = keyboard/mouse=20 port
via a Y-adapter cable, all keys work fine.  Is there anything I can = do=20 to
fix this problem or do I need to replace the keyboard?

Anyone out there with a dead 360 that wants to sell the keyboard?  = Part #=20 is
84G5728.

Thanks,

Pat V.
 ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7691.0CF130C0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 22:32:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA266312724; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:32:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17332; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:31:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:30:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17240; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:30:28 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17228; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:30:24 -0400 Received: from mypc.usc.edu (comserv-h-24.usc.edu [128.125.224.24]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id TAA11132; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970611192843.00d7b4b8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:29:54 -0700 To: Dominique Pivard From: Randal Whittle Subject: Reduced Warranty? (Was: New TP 560?) Cc: David Fox , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:10 PM 6/11/97 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >The announcement can now be found on IBM's page: > >http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/news/thinkpad/tp003.html > >The 560E features 2 MB of video RAM (and 4 Mbps infrared). Did anyone else notice that the warranty appears to have been reduced to 1-year across the board, even for the 7XX models? I thought the 560 being introduced with only a 1-year warranty while the 7XX series kept the 3-year was bad--but apparently it was merely a harbinger of what was yet to come. Here's the snippet from the above web site, and it appears to apply to all ThinkPads--including the 765's. ------------------------ Customer Support and Service IBM provides customers with a one-year limited warranty, International Warranty Service and EasyServ door-to-door courier repair.4 As part of IBM's EasyServ program, the ThinkPad is picked up by courier and expressed to an IBM-designated service center. Once serviced, the system is returned to a location of the customer's choice. EasyServ Plus and EasyServ On-Site Repair Service is also available for the new ThinkPad 765 and ThinkPad 560E models. ------------------- ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 23:29:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA284116187; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:29:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19564; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:26:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:26:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19480; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:26:18 -0400 Received: from evelyn.acs.psu.edu (evelyn.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.103]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19466; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:26:14 -0400 Received: by evelyn.acs.psu.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/28Jun94-0252AM) id AA05509; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:26:11 -0400 From: Brian Katz Message-Id: <9706120326.AA05509@evelyn.acs.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Want Thinkpad 701 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:26:11 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970611154804.00714000@p3.net> from "Aaron Tunnell" at Jun 11, 97 03:48:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Check out some of the vendors near the back half of Computer Shopper. I was looking for something else there last week and remember seeing some, around $1300 I think. I noticed this, as I got my 701 for about $2500. Hope this helps... -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 11 23:52:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA290897564; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:52:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20707; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:52:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:51:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20626; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:51:27 -0400 Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20616; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:51:24 -0400 Received: from earth (hseaman@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.6.Beta3) id WAA22594; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:51:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:51:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: J C Cummings Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Internet Sources for TP750 RAM In-Reply-To: <199706092133.WAA25037@gps.leeds.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, J C Cummings wrote: > > I asked this question once ages ago, but have lost the > replies I got. Can anyone point me to any _reputable_ > sources for ordering a 16MB Ram upgrade for my > Tp750? I'm looking for either true-blue IBM > memory or IBM-approved. (Is Kingston approved? What else?) I have a 8 meg ram card from my 750, you could have for $40. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 12 04:24:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073353898; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:24:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12228; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:24:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:23:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12094; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:23:34 -0400 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12084; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:23:30 -0400 Received: from ibmtp701c.lin.org (s111-27.resnet.ucla.edu [164.67.111.27]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA27734 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:24:24 -0700 Message-Id: <01BC76CF.5CDC98C0.eddy@pacbell.net> From: Eddy Lin Reply-To: "eddy@pacbell.net" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP701 CPU Upgrade Options Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:30:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4128 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I am strongly considering upgrading my 701's CPU. I have looked around and the only reputable company that's been around and doesn't cost an arm and a leg is Evergreen Tech. But I am wondering if anyone had their ThinkPad or even better, their 701 upgraded by these people? If so, how's impression on the upgrade? Goods and bads? And if you have any other source that does this type of upgrades, let me know. Warranty service is also going be very important because nobody has yet to claim the 3 year warranty that IBM provides on this laptop which I am going to lose when I do the upgrade. Thanks. Eddy Lin From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 12 07:21:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119444462; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:21:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24898; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:20:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:19:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24778; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:19:28 -0400 Received: from ns2.interserf.net (root@ns2.interserf.net [205.244.8.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24768; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:19:25 -0400 Received: from serfer54.interserf.net (serfer54.interserf.net [205.244.8.243]) by ns2.interserf.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA09898 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:22:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:22:37 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970612072309.127f0e5c@mail.interserf.net> X-Sender: vicgonzlez@mail.interserf.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) From: Vic Gonzalez Subject: Spotted: available Thinkpad 701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I saw a 701C last night forsale in comp.sys.laptop newsgroup for $800. At 11:26 PM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Check out some of the vendors near the back half of Computer Shopper. >I was looking for something else there last week and remember seeing >some, around $1300 I think. I noticed this, as I got my 701 for about >$2500. > >Hope this helps... >-- >Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu >Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ >State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office >USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 12 12:19:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA208672391; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:19:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11501; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:18:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:16:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11262; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:16:43 -0400 Received: from wolfenet.com (news1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11224; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:16:35 -0400 Received: from gonzo.wolfenet.com (pele@gonzo.wolfenet.com [204.157.98.2]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31133 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (pele@localhost) by gonzo.wolfenet.com (8.8.3/8.7) with SMTP id JAA03918 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:16:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gonzo.wolfenet.com: pele owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Lewis To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 HD compatibility Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IBM 701 tech support guy I spoke with today advised against installing any thing other than an IBM HD into the 701. He maintained that non IBM drives either wouldn't fit, or if they did fit, would not work because of a proprietary IBM connector. Clearly, there's a corporate self interest in saying this, and I gather from other posts to this list that many have successfully installed non IBM HDs into 701s. My question is: are there any non IBM HDs to *avoid*? For example, I've got a line on a 720HD that may have come from a new NEC or TI. Any reason to believe they wouldn't work in the TP701? Thanks in advance. Peter [Aside to PEP Sales: If you wish to post to list, fine, but no need to email me privately]. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 12 13:09:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223605362; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:09:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14754; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:08:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:07:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14627; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:07:31 -0400 Received: from andrew.cais.com (andrew.cais.com [199.0.216.215]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14604; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:07:25 -0400 Received: from cais2.cais.com (rj@cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by andrew.cais.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id NAA18638; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:07:18 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Peter Lewis Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 HD compatibility In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu FWIW I replaced my 701's 720MB HDD with a 1.3GB Toshiba MK-1301MAV about a year ago and have not had the slightest problem, apparant anyway. On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Peter Lewis wrote: > > IBM 701 tech support guy I spoke with today advised against installing any > thing other than an IBM HD into the 701. He maintained that non IBM drives > either wouldn't fit, or if they did fit, would not work because of a > proprietary IBM connector. > > Clearly, there's a corporate self interest in saying this, and I gather > from other posts to this list that many have successfully installed > non IBM HDs into 701s. > > My question is: are there any non IBM HDs to *avoid*? For example, I've > got a line on a 720HD that may have come from a new NEC or TI. Any reason > to believe they wouldn't work in the TP701? > > Thanks in advance. > > Peter > > > [Aside to PEP Sales: If you wish to post to list, fine, but no need to > email me privately]. > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 12 16:00:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275965626; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:00:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24685; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:59:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:58:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24544; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:58:05 -0400 Received: from AST01.ligsystems.com (slip129-37-97-67.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.97.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24525; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:57:56 -0400 Received: by AST01.ligsystems.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id MAA000.82; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:57:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199706121657.MAA000.82@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 12:52:28 -0800 From: laniear@ibm.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: 701 HD compatibility X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <80_155_4_866134348> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 09:16:31 -0700 > From: "Peter Lewis" > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 701 HD compatibility > > > IBM 701 tech support guy I spoke with today advised against installing any > thing other than an IBM HD into the 701. He maintained that non IBM drives > either wouldn't fit, or if they did fit, would not work because of a > proprietary IBM connector. > This is not true. There are compatible hard drives. I bought a 1.1 GB drive last spring and not only does it fit and work, it is also covered under the ThinkPad warranty and NO it is not an IBM drive. Also, I was referred to the manufacturer by tech support. Lee ||----------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || || ||----------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 12 20:18:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052871134; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:18:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06653; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:17:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:16:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06553; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:16:15 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06543; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:16:12 -0400 Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-63.usc.edu [128.125.223.207]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id RAA14742 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970612171608.00d98550@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:16:12 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Win 95 Password List? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I know someone mentioned this at one time, but I can't seem to find the posting. Sometime back, someone mentioned that there was a bug in Win 95 that corrupted the password file (I think it had an extension of .pwl) and that once this was corrupted, it would not "save" your passwords, etc. (like for dial-up networking). I had *thought* that you just deleted this .pwl file and it would rebuild a new (uncorrupted) one, but for some reason that's not working. Can someone tell me what the "fix" is for this silly bug? Mucho thanks... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 13 12:59:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036431142; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:59:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26427; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:57:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:18:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24261; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:18:45 -0400 Received: from cplus.cpis.net (cplus.cpis.net [206.155.217.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24244; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:18:41 -0400 Received: from wonwiije (ppp13.cpis.net [206.155.217.42]) by cplus.cpis.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03595 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:55:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199706131455.KAA03595@cplus.cpis.net> From: "behildre" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Epson PC 500 Digital Camera Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:45:03 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recently bought a PC 500 Digital camera. I took a few snapshops, hooked up to the desktop, and with very little effort was viewing, printing emailing them. I thought it would be good to use my Thinkpad 701C so I could go portable. I have 12 Meg memory, enough hard drive space disk drive (the little external that came with it) and the, I guess it is a dock, little clip on thing that goes across the back and allows me to use an external monitor and a printer. I have used it for both of those, so I guess that works ok. I need a serial port....I though the mouse port in the back on the dock would work. It didn't. Do I have to disable the eraser head, am I in the wrong port? any ideas.? thanks Bruce Hildreth behildre@cpis.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 13 13:13:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041021992; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:13:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27587; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:13:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:02:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26795; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:02:50 -0400 Received: from brickell.netrox.net (root@brickell.netrox.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26783; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:02:47 -0400 Received: from gmo (ppp-pm3-42.netrox.net [208.153.146.42]) by brickell.netrox.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29020 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:54:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199706131654.MAA29020@brickell.netrox.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Number pad Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:00:51 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Some time ago I posted a message regarding this issue but I didn't find the answer, so here it is again. For all you 701 owners, if you look at the port replicator that came with your computer, you will see that where you plug an external mouse there are two symbols. One is a mouse symbol and the other is a number pad symbol. I would like to know if IBM makes the number pad that is to be plugged into that port. Your responses are greatly appreciated. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 13 14:01:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056454862; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:01:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00893; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:59:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:55:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00524; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:55:30 -0400 Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00514; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:55:27 -0400 Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19891; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26281; Fri, 13 Jun 97 14:01:14 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA17335; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:01:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: behildre Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Epson PC 500 Digital Camera In-Reply-To: <199706131455.KAA03595@cplus.cpis.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, behildre wrote: > I recently bought a PC 500 Digital camera. I took a few snapshops, hooked > ... > I thought it would be good to use my Thinkpad 701C so I could go portable. > I have 12 Meg memory, enough hard drive space disk drive (the little > external that came with it) and the, I guess it is a dock, little clip on > thing that goes across the back and allows me to use an external monitor > and a printer. I have used it for both of those, so I guess that works ok. > > I need a serial port....I though the mouse port in the back on the dock > would work. It didn't. The 701 doesn't have a serial plug built into it. The dock does. It's the 9-pin port. The mouse port is a PS/2 plug, which just happens to have the same pinout as a Macintosh serial plug, which means you're probably using the Macintosh serial cable that came with your camera. You should be using the PC serial cable, which ends in a DB9 or DB25 plug. > Do I have to disable the eraser head, am I in the wrong port? any ideas.? With the dock attached, the 701 has more ports than IRQs. You may have to disable the internal modem or IR port to get the serial port to work, although in my experience Windows has either 1) not cared, or 2) randomly chosen to let it work or not. A good (faster) option for digital cameras is to invest the money in a flash card (although I don't think the Epson PC500 supports flash cards). The card is just a PCMCIA linear or ATA memory card that'll work just fine in a laptop. You'll be able to trasfer data with it much faster than over a serial cable. Just pop it out of the camera and into your computer, then copy the pictures off it as if it were a hard drive. You may want to borrow/buy the Jeteye serial IR adapter and see if you can get the camera to drive it. The 701 *does* have a serial IR port built in. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 13 16:28:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103783691; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:28:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09781; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:27:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:26:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09624; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:26:48 -0400 Received: from mail3.isomedia.com (mail3.isomedia.com [204.157.237.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09609; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:26:31 -0400 Received: from pentium (pm1-013.isomedia.com [206.129.160.45]) by mail3.isomedia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27667; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706132022.NAA27667@mail3.isomedia.com> From: "Bill Pratt" To: "John Kim" , "behildre" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Epson PC 500 Digital Camera Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:21:35 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Use Win/95, and you should have now problem. Go to the 701 setup (Fn+F1) and set the external port to com-2. You should have no problem. If you have Win/95 installed and it does not work, go to (right click) My Computer, properties, device manager, and remove the Comm ports. When you restart Win/95 it will find the Comm ports and turn them on. Regards, Bill billp117@isomedia.com ---------- > From: John Kim > To: behildre > Cc: Thinkpad > Subject: Re: Epson PC 500 Digital Camera > Date: Friday, June 13, 1997 11:01 AM > > On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, behildre wrote: > > > I recently bought a PC 500 Digital camera. I took a few snapshops, hooked > > ... > > I thought it would be good to use my Thinkpad 701C so I could go portable. > > I have 12 Meg memory, enough hard drive space disk drive (the little > > external that came with it) and the, I guess it is a dock, little clip on > > thing that goes across the back and allows me to use an external monitor > > and a printer. I have used it for both of those, so I guess that works ok. > > > > I need a serial port....I though the mouse port in the back on the dock > > would work. It didn't. > > The 701 doesn't have a serial plug built into it. The dock > does. It's the 9-pin port. The mouse port is a PS/2 plug, > which just happens to have the same pinout as a Macintosh serial > plug, which means you're probably using the Macintosh serial > cable that came with your camera. You should be using the PC > serial cable, which ends in a DB9 or DB25 plug. > > > Do I have to disable the eraser head, am I in the wrong port? any ideas.? > > With the dock attached, the 701 has more ports than IRQs. You > may have to disable the internal modem or IR port to get the > serial port to work, although in my experience Windows has > either 1) not cared, or 2) randomly chosen to let it work or > not. > > A good (faster) option for digital cameras is to invest the > money in a flash card (although I don't think the Epson PC500 > supports flash cards). The card is just a PCMCIA linear or ATA > memory card that'll work just fine in a laptop. You'll be able > to trasfer data with it much faster than over a serial cable. > Just pop it out of the camera and into your computer, then copy > the pictures off it as if it were a hard drive. > > You may want to borrow/buy the Jeteye serial IR adapter and see > if you can get the camera to drive it. The 701 *does* have a > serial IR port built in. > -- > John H. Kim > kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 13 19:16:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153743762; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:16:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15731; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:08:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:05:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15553; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:05:32 -0400 Received: from cplus.cpis.net (cplus.cpis.net [206.155.217.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15543; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:05:29 -0400 Received: from wonwiije (ppp29.cpis.net [206.155.217.58]) by cplus.cpis.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12696 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:10:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199706132310.TAA12696@cplus.cpis.net> From: "behildre" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: pc500 camera on 701c Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:00:54 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I sure want to thank everyone for the fast response. I guess I am a newbie, I sure felt dumb about the mouse port. I knew it was ps2 and not serial. but nooooo that wouldn't stop me from thinking it should work. I foundthe nine pin connector. hooked up the camera. Hey..it is recognized. I previewed the pictures, but for some reason it won't let me save them. I got enough hard drive space. I reloaded the software thinking maybe I screwed up. same malfunction. it says cable not connected, camera not on, or batteries low. going out today for new batteries. they were the same ones that came with the camera. Who knows how long they were in the case before I bought it. any other ideas? bruce Hildreth behildre@cpis.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 13 22:42:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205906171; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:42:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20918; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:42:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:40:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20769; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:40:17 -0400 Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20755; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:40:12 -0400 Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:35:57 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7832.185A4BC0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:43:41 -0700 Message-Id: <01BC7832.185A4BC0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Pat Vellender'" , Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post Subject: RE: Bad Keys on 360CSE Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:43:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The keyboard is probably OK. The cables (3) may have worked losse. To get at the 3 little cables: Remove the 2 screws beside the hinges of the keyboard. They are under little plastic caps that have to be pried off with a tinny -small screwdriver. Flip the screen back all the way. Remove the floppy drive and top PCMCIA card. You are going to remove the plastic bezel between the keyboard and the back of the computer. Removing the 2 screws was the first part. It is still held by 2 hooks that are on the other side of the keyboard hinge. ie: hook..hinge ..screw............................................................................screw..hinge..hook The right hook is very easy to get to . Flip keyboard open take a small screwdriver through the hole for the PCMCIA cards and push back this small plastic "L " shaped hook . You are pushing it to the front of the computer and only about 1 mm. It should unhook. Now that you know what it looks like do the same to the other side . (grin) The other side (left) is almost invisible ...have lots of light .. since there is no PCMCIA hole, your hand and screwdriver will block your view at first . Once it unhooks the whole bezel flips back and pulls out. Put the keyboard back and Latch it ! Those 3 very flat "ribbon type " cables coming from the keyboard are probably your problem. The smallest one if fro the trackpoint....ignore. With the other 2 ,pull back the FRONT part of the connector . It only comes out ~1mm ...use a fingernail(s) and pry back both sides at once . Once they are loose ..so is the "ribbon cable" so pull it out. Check for any dirt etc....gently clean them..and put them back in. Reseat the connector . Boot the TP and try out the keyboard. If this doesn't work "TRENKDOG3" in the laptop news group has keyboards for $50. trenkdog3@aol.com Another option is the card that takes the signals from the keyboard to the Motherboard is bad or semi-seated ...(it is NOT a good design.) ..peter.. ---------- From: Pat Vellender[SMTP:pvellend@shrike.depaul.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 9:17 AM To: Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post Subject: Bad Keys on 360CSE -- [ From: Pat Vellender * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi, The 9, O, L, PERIOD, F6, F7 and F8 on my 360CSE are not working. All other keys work fine. If I plug an external keyboard into the keyboard/mouse port via a Y-adapter cable, all keys work fine. Is there anything I can do to fix this problem or do I need to replace the keyboard? Anyone out there with a dead 360 that wants to sell the keyboard? Part # is 84G5728. Thanks, Pat V. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 13 23:01:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210577289; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:01:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21688; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:01:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:59:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21565; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:59:56 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21555; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:59:53 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA06629 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:59:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bst-ma13-14.ix.netcom.com(207.94.107.110) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006611; Fri Jun 13 21:59:15 1997 Received: by bst-ma13-14.ix.netcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC784B.A9D32A40@bst-ma13-14.ix.netcom.com>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:46:42 -0400 Message-Id: <01BC784B.A9D32A40@bst-ma13-14.ix.netcom.com> From: Kim Kwan To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP700/docking station under win95? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:46:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everyone, Does anyone successfully configurating a TP700C with docking station = under Win95? I have setup the TP700C using Win95 without any problem. = But when I try to make it works with the docking station (part # = 3550-002), Win95 reports a IRQ conflict between the hard drive = controller and the SCSI controller. I try to change the IRQ resource but = both devices use the same IRQ 14 only. Win95 sees a network card plugged = inside the docking station without any problem. I am ready to give up! = Please help, any information would help. Thanks in advance. - Kim -=20 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 14 01:32:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248216348; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:32:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25982; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:32:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:30:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25853; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:30:41 -0400 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25843; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:30:39 -0400 From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA04756; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970614013007_-793115514@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: pele@wolfenet.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 HD compatibility Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [Aside to PEP Sales: If you wish to post to list, fine, but no need to email me privately]. [Aside to PETER: If you wish to post to list, fine, but why don't you e-mail me privately]. - And tell me whay this is all about. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM Up to 3GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 14 03:39:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282943959; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:39:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00351; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:39:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:38:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00164; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:38:18 -0400 Received: from mail01.citylinq.net ([207.173.198.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29994; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:38:06 -0400 Received: from pele.wolfenet.com ([207.173.198.60]) by mail01.citylinq.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 201-33923U500L100S0) with SMTP id AAA180; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:06:19 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970613230644.006d1a5c@mail01.citylinq.net> X-Sender: peterl@mail01.citylinq.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:06:44 -0700 To: , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Lewis Subject: Re: 701 HD compatibility In-Reply-To: <970614013007_-793115514@emout19.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:30 AM 6/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >[Aside to PEP Sales: If you wish to post to list, fine, but no need to >email me privately]. > > >[Aside to PETER: If you wish to post to list, fine, but why don't you e-mail > me privately]. > >- And tell me whay this is all about. > >Best Regards, > >Michael >email: pepsale2@portables.com >Portable Enhancements >The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM >Up to 3GB in your Notebook! >WEB: http://www.portables.com > > What this is all about, Michael, is that for purely commercial purposes, you have wormed your way onto this list, which as far as I can tell is primarily about TP end users helping each other. Yes, I know it's a free country. God Bless America! Apparently you don't keep track of your own correspondence. After I posted recently to the list about my interest in bumping up to a larger HD, you added to the thread. Great salesman that you are, you also sent me a long, unsolicited e-mail about your products. At the bottom of this post I am attaching the top of your private email, in case you forgot. Also in case you forgot, I replied privately to your email with a request for references of similarly situated 701 customers you've done business. You never responded. Do you now know what this is all about, Michael? ---- Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:39:42 -0400 (EDT) From: PEPSales@aol.com To: peterl@citylinq.com Subject: Re: novice questions Peter, We have Hard Drive upgrades through 2.1gb for your system. They come in the Additional Metal HDD Caddie we developed. This will make it very easy to replace our drive in your system. There is even an External HDD Shell that you can put the drive taken out of the system during upgrade that will allow you to use both drives at the same time. I am sending our upgrade catalog for your system for you to look over. Please contact me or visit our website if you have any other questions or needs. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM 800-737-7693 X102 714-418-0113 X102 Tel 714-418-0117 Fax Up to 3GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 14 05:30:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010850659; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 05:30:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10286; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 05:30:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 05:30:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10183; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 05:30:08 -0400 Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10173; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 05:30:05 -0400 Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:16:42 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:16:40 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PCMCIA controller in the new TP560? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does someone know what controller IBM has put into the new TP 560E. It's a cardbus machine, hence one should be able to use the fast network cards now available... Thanks Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 14 13:35:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA129749749; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:35:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20083; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:35:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:33:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19957; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:33:56 -0400 Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19947; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:33:53 -0400 Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA63194 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:22:05 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC78C7.A3950A50@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:34:09 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:30:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 6 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recall a mention of some $40 IBM PCMCIA card which worked well in a 701... Does anyone know of it? Where could I get it? Thanks, Tom Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 14 14:18:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA140502300; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:18:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21274; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:17:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:17:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21196; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:17:17 -0400 Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21186; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:17:14 -0400 Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA100416; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:12:54 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BC78CD.1D56FC40@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:13:21 -0500 Message-Id: <01BC78CD.1D56FC40@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'TROTTIER, Tom'" Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:13:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yep, its the IBM Home & away Modme/Ethernet adapter. You should be able to get a used (new) one in the newsgroups for around = $40, I think in misc.forsale.computers.modems or = comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.networking =20 A keyword search on PCMCIA and IBM on deja news also brings interesting = results/ Fabian ---------- From: TROTTIER, Tom[SMTP:ttrottier@shl.com] Sent: 14 juin 1997 12:30 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? I recall a mention of some $40 IBM PCMCIA card which worked well in a = 701... Does anyone know of it? Where could I get it? Thanks, Tom Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 14 16:20:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA172059653; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:20:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24107; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:20:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:19:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23980; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:19:28 -0400 Received: from mail3.isomedia.com (mail3.isomedia.com [204.157.237.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23965; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:19:24 -0400 Received: from pentium (pm5-013.isomedia.com [206.129.160.205]) by mail3.isomedia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27413; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706142014.NAA27413@mail3.isomedia.com> From: "Bill Pratt" To: "Fabian Rodriguez" , , "'TROTTIER, Tom'" Subject: Re: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:13:39 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Damark sells them for $39. Bill Pratt, Bellevue, WA (STOC#117) "No matter where you go...there you are!" Email - billp117@isomedia.com Homepage - http://www.isomedia.com/homes/billp117 ---------- > From: Fabian Rodriguez > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 'TROTTIER, Tom' > Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? > Date: Saturday, June 14, 1997 12:13 PM > > Yep, its the IBM Home & away Modme/Ethernet adapter. > You should be able to get a used (new) one in the newsgroups for around $40, I think in misc.forsale.computers.modems or comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.networking > A keyword search on PCMCIA and IBM on deja news also brings interesting results/ > > Fabian > > ---------- > From: TROTTIER, Tom[SMTP:ttrottier@shl.com] > Sent: 14 juin 1997 12:30 > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? > > I recall a mention of some $40 IBM PCMCIA card which worked well in a 701... Does anyone know of it? Where could I get it? > Thanks, Tom > Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect > SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre > 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada > +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 14 17:52:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA195995153; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:52:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25962; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:52:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25822; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:51:19 -0400 Received: from ronco-i.freenet.columbus.oh.us (mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us [164.107.107.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25812; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:51:17 -0400 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by ronco-i.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA11329; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pcarter@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA05713; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:46:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Carter Subject: Re: TP700/docking station under win95? To: Kim Kwan Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" In-Reply-To: <01BC784B.A9D32A40@bst-ma13-14.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Kim Kwan wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Does anyone successfully configurating a TP700C with docking station under Win95? I have setup the TP700C using Win95 without any problem. But when I try to make it works with the docking station (part # 3550-002), Win95 reports a IRQ conflict between th e hard drive controller and the SCSI controller. I try to change the IRQ resource but both devices use the same IRQ 14 only. Win95 sees a network card plugged inside the docking station without any problem. I am ready to give up! Please help, any informati on would help. Thanks in advance. > > - Kim - > > I have hever experenced a problem w/ the tp and the 3550 on irq conflicts. I don't run w95, but I have had no problems in dos 7 or os2. Did you add an additional scsi controller to the 3550? Did you get the correct drivers for the 3550 for w95? I run a 3550 on a 720 with cd rom and additional 1.08gb hd along w/ a hayes esp and soundpiper. never any conflicts with any of that and a pcmcia. I don't think the 700 has the pcmcia, but being a MCA buss computer, it knows how to share irq's. Sounds like a driver problem to me. NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 15 17:57:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA267571865; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:57:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07943; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:56:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:53:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07652; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:53:12 -0400 Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07642; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:53:10 -0400 Received: from pool039-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool039-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.189]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27016 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706152153.OAA27016@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 97 14:54:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Backlight for DSTN LCD on 701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My backlight cracked on my 701's DSTN LCD, and right now am using an external monitor. If anyone knows of or has an extra backlight, then tell me where to get it or how much. Thanks. Paul Khoury 818-287-3126 Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 15 19:11:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA286956303; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:11:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10324; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:10:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:08:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10210; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:08:55 -0400 Received: from mail.trincoll.edu (mail.cc.trincoll.edu [157.252.10.251]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10200; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:08:52 -0400 Received: from mail.trincoll.edu (slip129-37-127-212.ca.us.ibm.net) by mail.trincoll.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/19-main-dsc) id TAA02433 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:08:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199706152308.TAA02433@mail.trincoll.edu> From: david.howery@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (David Howery) Reply-To: david.howery@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (David Howery) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 97 19:07:39 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Attn: TP 701 Owners X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.28 (Unregistered) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu (This must have been mentioned before but since I am rather new to the ThinkPad Mailing List I haven't seen it until recently when searching for a VGA driver for my TP 701CS) A T T E N T I O N TP 701 O W N E R S! I found a highly informative web site dedicated to the ThinkPad 701; called Craig's IBM Butterfly Page at: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/leres/butterfly/ Craig has many links to all sorts of IBM and other sources. I've found it most useful, in fact, I now use it as my initial web source for information on the TP 701. I hope you also find it useful. -------------------------------------------------- David Howery Department of Biology Email - dhowery@trincoll.edu Trinity College Phone - (860) 297-5189 300 Summit Street FAX - (860) 297-2538 Hartford, CT 06106-3100 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 15 20:24:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006950663; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:24:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11967; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:24:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:22:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11855; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:22:31 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11845; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:22:28 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 02:13:43 +0200 Received: by rheo-port.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BC79C8.9DA6B6A0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:13:40 -0400 Message-Id: <01BC79C8.9DA6B6A0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> From: axel hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'Bill Pratt'" Subject: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:31:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Do you have a Website/Phone#/etc. ? I'm interested! Also, does anyone know whether it supports both UTP and BNC Ethernet? greets, axel On Saturday, June 14, 1997 16:13, Bill Pratt[SMTP:billp117@isomedia.com] wrote: >Damark sells them for $39. [...] >> Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? [...] >> Yep, its the IBM Home & away Modme/Ethernet adapter. [...] ...................................................................... Axel Hartmann . Paper (until : Am Bach 8; 51427 Berg. Gladbach; Germany . Voice June 11): [0|xx49] 2204 - 66148 . E-Mail (valid!): Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . ...................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 15 20:45:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012921922; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:45:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12526; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:44:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:42:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12375; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:42:43 -0400 Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12363; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:42:40 -0400 Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA105478; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:38:22 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BC79CC.22BC8240@17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:38:52 -0500 Message-Id: <01BC79CC.22BC8240@17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'Bill Pratt'" , "'axel hartmann'" Subject: RE: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:38:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, All the information about that adapter (which now sells for about U$40) = is at: http://www.networking.ibm.com/hac/hacprod.html Yes, its the same that was once sold for $395 go figure. Ye sit support = Both Ethernet (RJ45) and phone (modem 14,4) conectors, at the same time. You will need a driver that writes to the formware of the card so that = is is recognized under Win95. The driver file is HAWIN95.EXE I think or = .ZIP and you can find it by following the links from the URL mentioned = above. BTW, I am using one right now on my 365XD. Goo luck & have fun. Fabian ---------- From: axel hartmann[SMTP:axel.hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de] Sent: 15 juin 1997 18:31 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 'Bill Pratt' Subject: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet Do you have a Website/Phone#/etc. ? I'm interested! Also, does anyone know whether it supports both UTP and BNC Ethernet? greets, axel On Saturday, June 14, 1997 16:13, Bill Pratt[SMTP:billp117@isomedia.com] = wrote: >Damark sells them for $39. =20 [...] >> Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector = card? [...] >> Yep, its the IBM Home & away Modme/Ethernet adapter. [...] ...................................................................... Axel Hartmann . Paper (until : Am Bach 8; 51427 Berg. Gladbach; Germany . Voice June 11): [0|xx49] 2204 - 66148 . E-Mail (valid!): Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . ...................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 15 21:50:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029885836; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:50:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14661; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:50:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:48:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14517; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:48:26 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14506; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:48:23 -0400 Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15365 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:55:36 -0600 Message-Id: <33A49BD3.23037787@wwsi.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:50:11 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 765D X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199702211554.HAA11996@mailhub.Cadence.COM> <9702212017.AA18238@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> <9702212017.AA18238@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> <01IFR3YEFEM499DWDO@Opus1.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ...Mine is on order. It should roll in late this week (got a great price of $6300 for it!). I'll let you know how it goes once it's here... -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 00:03:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064743786; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:03:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18457; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:02:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:01:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18337; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:01:04 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18326; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:01:00 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA13559 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:00:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ppp-annex-0108.mtl.accent.net(205.205.116.90) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma012574; Sun Jun 15 22:50:29 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970615193651.00720d74@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: bval@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:36:51 +0600 To: "ThinkPad List" From: William Valleau Subject: Rtest 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My backlight cracked on my 701's DSTN LCD, and right now am using an external monitor. If anyone knows of or has an extra backlight, then tell me where to get it or how much. Thanks. Paul Khoury 818-287-3126 Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 04:02:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130568139; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:02:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29446; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:02:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:00:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29008; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:00:04 -0400 Received: from sisyphus.cs.kun.nl (sisyphus.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28984; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:00:00 -0400 Received: from atlas by sisyphus.cs.kun.nl via atlas.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.42] with SMTP for id JAA19400 (8.8.4/4.0); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:59:57 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: mauricek@cs.kun.nl Message-Id: <33A4F27D.2781E494@cs.kun.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:59:57 +0200 From: Maurice klein Gebbinck Organization: University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701 and FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, Last week I installed FreeBSD, next to Win95, on my ThinkPad 701C (DX4-75, TFT, 24MB, 540MB). I use the FreeBSD bootmanager to select which OS to run. Although FreeBSD seems to run okay, I cannot get into the BIOS-setup (Fn-F1) when running this OS; fortunately, it is still possible when running Win95. Furthermore, suspend (Fn-F4) doesn't work anymore (don't know about hibernate), although I did a kernel compilation with the APM-option on. Does anybody have a solution for this problem? Can anybody send me his/her kernel configuration file? Since I am planning to install XFree86, could anobody send me his/her X-configuration file as well? Best regards, Maurice -- Maurice klein Gebbinck University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute Toernooiveld 1, 6525 ED Nijmegen, The Netherlands Phone +31 24 3652710, Fax +31 24 3553450 http://www.cs.kun.nl/~mauricek From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 07:45:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA186171515; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:45:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12769; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:44:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:31:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAB11894; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:30:58 -0400 Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAB11876; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:30:51 -0400 From: Received: from uucp4.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: uucp4.UU.NET [192.48.96.35]) id QQcueg24538; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.UUCP by uucp4.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:30:53 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by mailgw.wellspringres.com id AA866470669 Mon, 16 Jun 97 07:17:49 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 07:17:49 Message-Id: <9705168664.AA866470669@mailgw.wellspringres.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Avatar Shark 250 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am considering the Avatar Shark 250 Parallel Port external removable media hard disk drive (something like the ZIP/JAZ dive but 1/4 the size and 250MB per "floppy") for my TP701 as it says it is compatible with all of the OS's I use (everything else I have tried has been less than successful including several Iomega and Seagate units). Anyway, my major concern is that since the drive takes power from the mouse port, will the mouse port supply sufficient power for the drive to run properly. The spec for the drive lists 3.3 watts at 5 volts. Has anyone tried this unit on a TP701 or any other box and how did it go? Also, if the mouse port does not have the power to run the unit might the serial port? Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 11:42:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253195774; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:42:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27012; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:42:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:38:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26732; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:38:14 -0400 Received: from mail3.isomedia.com (mail3.isomedia.com [204.157.237.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26722; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:38:09 -0400 Received: from pentium (pm5-041.isomedia.com [206.129.160.233]) by mail3.isomedia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16367; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706161536.IAA16367@mail3.isomedia.com> From: "Bill Pratt" To: "axel hartmann" , Subject: Re: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:35:49 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Damark's number is 1-800-729-9000. This is the IBM model card 14.4/Ethernet combo I think. Go to the IBM WEB site for information. Bill Pratt, Bellevue, WA (STOC#117) "No matter where you go...there you are!" Email - billp117@isomedia.com Homepage - http://www.isomedia.com/homes/billp117 ---------- > From: axel hartmann > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 'Bill Pratt' > Subject: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet > Date: Sunday, June 15, 1997 4:31 PM > > Do you have a Website/Phone#/etc. ? I'm interested! > Also, does anyone know whether it supports both UTP and BNC Ethernet? > > greets, > > axel > > On Saturday, June 14, 1997 16:13, Bill Pratt[SMTP:billp117@isomedia.com] wrote: > >Damark sells them for $39. > [...] > >> Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? > [...] > >> Yep, its the IBM Home & away Modme/Ethernet adapter. > [...] > > > ...................................................................... > Axel Hartmann . > Paper (until : Am Bach 8; 51427 Berg. Gladbach; Germany . > Voice June 11): [0|xx49] 2204 - 66148 . > E-Mail (valid!): Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . > Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . > ...................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 13:05:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA278550741; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:05:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02836; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:05:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:02:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02575; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:02:48 -0400 Received: from suntan.tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02543; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:02:40 -0400 Received: from adm.loc201.tandem.com by suntan.tandem.com (8.6.12/suntan5.970212) id KAA01304; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:02:40 -0700 Received: from marmoset (marmoset.loc201.tandem.com) by adm.loc201.tandem.com (4.1/6main.940209) id AA18867; Mon, 16 Jun 97 10:02:39 PDT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:00:57 -0700 Message-Id: <01BC7A3C.2FE31950@chrisd@loc201.tandem.com> From: Chris DiBona To: "'TROTTIER, Tom'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:00:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4025 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi.. that would be the IBM home and away card, available for about 30$. Has a 14.4 modem and a 10base-t port. Works great under linux, won't vouch for win95/nt etc... as I have never tried it under these two os's. You can find them at Fry's here in Silicon Valley. Chris DiBona On Saturday, June 14, 1997 10:31 AM, TROTTIER, Tom [SMTP:ttrottier@shl.com] wrote: > I recall a mention of some $40 IBM PCMCIA card which worked well in a 701... Does anyone know of it? Where could I get it? > Thanks, Tom > Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect > SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre > 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada > +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 14:40:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA005946401; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:40:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07193; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:39:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:37:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07080; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:37:37 -0400 Received: from AST01.ligsystems.com (slip166-72-214-79.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.214.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07068; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:37:30 -0400 Received: by AST01.ligsystems.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id LAA001.16; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:38:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199706161538.LAA001.16@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 11:35:31 -0800 From: laniear@ibm.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: Rtest 3 X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <115_172_4_866475331> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is your unit out of warranty? If not send it in. I put a gouge in mine last year and when I sent it in to have my modem replaced they replaced the screen and I didn't even mention the screen. Lee //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 97 19:36:51 +0600 > From: "William Valleau" > To: "ThinkPad List" > Subject: Rtest 3 > > My backlight cracked on my 701's DSTN LCD, and right now am using an > external monitor. If anyone knows > of or has an extra backlight, then tell me where to get it or how much. > Thanks. > > Paul Khoury > 818-287-3126 > Regards, > > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@earthlink.net > > > > ||----------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || || ||----------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 14:50:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA009457043; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:50:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08152; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:50:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:49:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08038; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:49:19 -0400 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08011; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:49:13 -0400 From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA19857 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970616144542_-859733602@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Airport baggage scanners Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone had any experience with their Thinkpad at airports? Is it ok to let it go through the carry-on baggage scanner? If not, what do you have to do with it? Also, does it set off the metal detectors? I am taking my 365XD on its first trip to Florida and I am leaving Friday at 6 AM, so please let me know asap! Thanks! John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 14:55:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010927323; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:55:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08639; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:54:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:54:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08549; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:54:22 -0400 Received: from tor-srs2.netcom.ca (tor-srs2.netcom.ca [207.93.1.164]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08531; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:54:14 -0400 Received: from Thinkpad (van-bc7-15.netcom.ca [207.181.73.79]) by tor-srs2.netcom.ca (8.8.5/NETCOM) id OAA22732; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706161853.OAA22732@tor-srs2.netcom.ca> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "David S. Crombie" To: , Subject: Re: Airport baggage scanners Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:51:45 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC7A4B.AA540460" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7A4B.AA540460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I take mine through all the time - don't worry about it. They obviously = won't let you take it through the metal detector so that shouldn't = matter. ---- From: Disneyjazz@aol.com To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, June 16, 1997 11:49 AM Subject: Airport baggage scanners Has anyone had any experience with their Thinkpad at airports? Is it ok = to let it go through the carry-on baggage scanner? If not, what do you = have to do with it? Also, does it set off the metal detectors? I am taking my = 365XD on its first trip to Florida and I am leaving Friday at 6 AM, so please = let me know asap! Thanks! John ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7A4B.AA540460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I take mine through all the time - don't worry about it. They = obviously=20 won't let you take it through the metal detector so that shouldn't = matter.

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From: Disneyjazz@aol.com
To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Date: Monday, June 16, 1997 11:49 AM
Subject: Airport baggage scanners

Has anyone had any experience with their = Thinkpad at=20 airports?  Is it ok to
let it go through the carry-on baggage scanner?  If not, what do = you have=20 to
do with it?  Also, does it set off the metal detectors?  I am = taking=20 my 365XD
on its first trip to Florida and I am leaving Friday at 6 AM, so please = let
me know asap!

Thanks!
John
 ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7A4B.AA540460-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 15:07:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015188056; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:07:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10050; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:07:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:05:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09873; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:05:12 -0400 Received: from AST01.ligsystems.com (slip166-72-214-79.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.214.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09856; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:04:49 -0400 Received: by AST01.ligsystems.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id MAA001.20; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:05:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199706161605.MAA001.20@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 12:00:00 -0800 From: laniear@ibm.net To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: Airport baggage scanners X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <115_172_4_866476800> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mine has gone through the scanner a couple of times and has survived. Usually I ask the security people to hand check my TP case. I mainly do this to so that the security person knows that this is MY computer and they hand it to me when I get through the metal detector. Otherwise you may find yourself standing in line behind someone who is purposely delaying you while their partner walks off with your TP which has worked it's way down the moving belt. At many airports they will make your show them that your computer actually works. > > Has anyone had any experience with their Thinkpad at airports? Is it ok to > let it go through the carry-on baggage scanner? If not, what do you have to > do with it? Also, does it set off the metal detectors? I am taking my 365XD > on its first trip to Florida and I am leaving Friday at 6 AM, so please let > me know asap! > > Thanks! > John > ||----------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || || ||----------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 17:07:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA051055253; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:07:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17040; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:07:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:05:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16867; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:05:29 -0400 Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16857; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:05:25 -0400 Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:00:39 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7A5E.ADB3FDA0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:07:51 -0700 Message-Id: <01BC7A5E.ADB3FDA0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Pat Vellender'" , Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post Subject: Changing a Keyboard TP 750 /360 series Part II Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:07:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The keyboard is probably OK. The cables (3) may have worked loose. To get at the 3 little cables: Remove the 2 screws beside the hinges of the keyboard. They are under little plastic caps that have to be pried off with a tinny -small screwdriver. Flip the screen back all the way. Remove the floppy drive and top PCMCIA card. You are going to remove the plastic bezel between the keyboard and the back of the computer. Removing the 2 screws was the first part. It is still held by 2 hooks that are on the other side of the keyboard hinge. ie: hook..hinge ..screw............................................................................screw..hinge..hook [metal clip] There is also a metal clip ~ 90mm from the left side that holds the plastic bezel to the metal RF shield. It clips off easily . Flip open keyboard . Find clip ...black in color ...it's just above the back right edge of the floppy. Pull on the vertical part with your fingernail . The right hook is very easy to get to . Flip keyboard open take a small screwdriver through the hole for the PCMCIA cards and push back this small plastic "L " shaped hook . You are pushing it to the front of the computer and only about 1 mm. It should unhook. Now that you know what it looks like, do the same to the other side . (grin) The other side (left) is almost invisible ...have lots of light .. since there is no PCMCIA hole, your hand and screwdriver will block your view at first . Once it unhooks the whole bezel flips back and pulls out. Put the keyboard back and Latch it ! Those 3 very flat "ribbon type " cables coming from the keyboard are probably your problem. The smallest one is for the trackpoint. With all 3 cables pull back the FRONT part of the connector . It only comes out ~1mm ...use a fingernail(s) and pry back both sides at once . Once they are loose,..so is the "ribbon cable", so pull it out. Check for any dirt etc....gently clean them..and put them back in. Reseat the connector . Boot the TP and try out the keyboard. You can use the "EASY SETUP" to test the keyboard. Hold down the F1 key while turning on the power. Go to the "test" icon ..enter it. Do a CTRL A for advanced diags. Do a CTRL K for the Keyboard test. To put it all back together just work backwards ;-} It's easier to hold the keyboard and the bezel together a little above the pivot point for the keyboard. Push the back of the bezel in while still holding the keyboard a little higher and then seat the "closer to you " side of the bezel. Carefull!! don't pull on the keyboard cables. Sigh...Usually it's a no brainer. If this doesn't work "TRENKDOG3" in the laptop news group has keyboards for $50. trenkdog3@aol.com Another option is the card that takes the signals from the keyboard to the Motherboard is bad or semi-seated ...(it is NOT a good design.) ..peter.. ---------- From: Pat Vellender[SMTP:pvellend@shrike.depaul.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 9:17 AM To: Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post Subject: Bad Keys on 360CSE -- [ From: Pat Vellender * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi, The 9, O, L, PERIOD, F6, F7 and F8 on my 360CSE are not working. All other keys work fine. If I plug an external keyboard into the keyboard/mouse port via a Y-adapter cable, all keys work fine. Is there anything I can do to fix this problem or do I need to replace the keyboard? Anyone out there with a dead 360 that wants to sell the keyboard? Part # is 84G5728. Thanks, Pat V. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 17:18:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA054205895; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:18:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17733; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:18:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:17:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17631; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:17:27 -0400 Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17618; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:17:24 -0400 Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08854; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:13:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 3 year warranty's still for 7xx Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The warranty's are still 3 years not 1 year as someone posted previously. This is the beginning part of the 765d announcement from the IBM gopher site (yes I still use gopher for some things - its a hell of a lot quicker than www sometimes). The end of this announcement talks about the warranty. IBM ThinkPad 765D -- Focusing on Power, Performance, Connectivity, and Configuration Flexibility Announced on June 10, 1997 HARDWARE Announcement 197-134 At a Glance Advance to the next level of multimedia notebook computers with the new ThinkPad 765D. Features include: o 166MHz Pentium processor with 256K L2 cache and MMX technology o High display resolution (1024 x 768) with the 13.3-inch (measured diagonally) TFT LCD display o Storage capacity of 3.0GB on the HDD o 32MB of system memory standard; upgradeable to 104MB o 8X CD-ROM standard for increased performance o Internal DSP providing a modem speed of up to 28.8 Kbps for data and 14.4 Kbps for fax and other telephony functions(3) o PCI bus support of 32-bit transfers for faster performance o Docking capability with your choice of IBM docking solutions o Compact system for customers who need a high level of processing power in a light mobile form factor (approximate weight is 7.7 pounds) o Three-year, limited warranty o HelpCenter (R) (800-772-2227) Warranty Period System Hardware (9546): Three-year, limited warranty for all models. An optional one-year warranty available via special bid. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 16 18:12:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073169142; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:12:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20521; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:12:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:09:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20282; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:09:32 -0400 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20271; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:09:28 -0400 Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-239-169.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.239.169]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA145852 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:09:28 GMT Message-Id: <199706162209.WAA145852@out1.ibm.net> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Thinkpad Distribution List" Subject: FYI: TP76x CD-ROMs Cheap! Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:10:54 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It is too late for me since I paid full price, but CDW is selling the 6x CD-ROMs for $165. Check out: http://www.cdw.com/product/search.asp?group=BSK \\|||// (o) (o) ======.oOO==( )==OOo.======= || || || Thomas D. Franklin || || tom.franklin@usa.net || || || || .oooO Oooo. || =======( )===( )======== \ ( ) / \_) (_/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 01:35:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA191975754; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:35:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08395; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:35:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:34:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08244; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:34:28 -0400 Received: from evelyn.acs.psu.edu (evelyn.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.103]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08234; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:34:25 -0400 Received: by evelyn.acs.psu.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/28Jun94-0252AM) id AA19337; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:34:26 -0400 From: Brian Katz Message-Id: <9706170534.AA19337@evelyn.acs.psu.edu> Subject: Merlin install To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:34:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am about ready to install Merlin Warp 4.0 on my 701 and was wondering if anyone has had any bad experiences or can make any recommendations regarding this move. Any thoughts appreciated... -Brian -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 04:52:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245407521; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:52:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03020; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:51:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:50:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02646; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:50:20 -0400 Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02635; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:50:16 -0400 Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA23087; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:54:39 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199706170554.IAA23087@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:54:55 +0300 To: Brian Katz , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9706170534.AA19337@evelyn.acs.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Merlin install X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.29 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 at 01:34 AM you, Brian Katz , said: >I am about ready to install Merlin Warp 4.0 on my 701 and was wondering >if anyone has had any bad experiences or can make any recommendations >regarding this move. Any thoughts appreciated... I don't know about Warp 4 but Warp 3 Connect runs quite fine on my 701. I don't know how much RAM you have installed (I have 20 MB) but that would be my main concern: I recently upgraded my office desktop from Warp 3 Connect to Warp 4 and I noticed Warp 4 consumes a bit more RAM than the previous version (I have 40 MB). Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 05:38:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA256360308; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 05:38:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13410; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 05:38:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 05:36:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13243; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 05:36:23 -0400 Received: from tom.compulink.co.uk (tom.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13233; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 05:36:20 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.9) id KAA02386 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:36:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 10:35 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Re: Merlin install To: katz@evelyn.acs.psu.edu, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9706170534.AA19337@evelyn.acs.psu.edu> Merlin definitely needs more disk space, and feels as if it needs more memory. My 755CD with 840 Meg and 16 Meg respectively seems to be a bit creaky, but runs ok. With a 701 and therefore no cdrom, guess you won't run into my pcmcia problem. But I do have some as yet unresolved concerns about the power management - does not seem to suspend properly when I shut the lid. There are also a couple of things to watch out for with the mwave/dsp kit, but that does not affect the 701. Gerry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 06:43:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271194239; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:43:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17801; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:43:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:42:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17656; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:42:48 -0400 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.95]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17646; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:42:45 -0400 From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA00745; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 02:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 02:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970617020433_578477506@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: shawn@royl.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TEST Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Shawn, Thank you for your inquiry. Pepsales is the alias for Portable Enhancements. We specialise in notebook system upgrades - including CPU to Pentium Class, Hard Drives through 3gb, and RAM upgrades. All our user installable upgrade kits come complete with everything you need, including installation instructions. There are many accessories - one of our favorites is the External HDD Shell. This will allow you to use the drive taken out of the system during upgrade. After upgrade you are not left with an expensive paperweight that used to be an HDD. The Shell will also allow you to expand the Total System Storage Space to 6gb. I believe we have many exciting things to offer the mobile computer user. I invite anyone who is interested to visit our website, request upgrade information on any system you wish, or send any system upgrade questions you may want an answer to. Now that I have taken up enough bandwith, I turn it back to you. And - thank you, Shawn. I could not have asked for a more perfect first question. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM 800-737-7693 X102 714-418-0113 X102 Tel 714-418-0117 Fax Up to 3GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: TEST Date: 97-06-16 11:27:03 EDT From: shawn@royl.com (Shawn Bundegaard) Reply-to: shawn@royl.com (Shawn Bundegaard) To: PEPSales@aol.com (PEPSales@aol.com) What is pep sales? On Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:30:10 -0400 (EDT), PEPSales@aol.com wrote: >I think I am subscrived to this but I do not seem to be receiving any mail >from this mailing list. > >Best Regards, > >Michael >email: pepsale2@portables.com >Portable Enhancements >The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM >Up to 3GB in your Notebook! >WEB: http://www.portables.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 06:57:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274335038; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:57:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18956; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:57:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:56:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18814; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:56:03 -0400 Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18797; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:56:00 -0400 From: Received: from uucp1.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: uucp1.UU.NET [192.48.96.39]) id QQcuhv11992; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.UUCP by uucp1.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:55:59 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by mailgw.wellspringres.com id AA866492170 Mon, 16 Jun 97 13:16:10 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 13:16:10 Message-Id: <9705168664.AA866492170@mailgw.wellspringres.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Avatar Shark 250 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just got off the phone with Avatar and thought to share the info with the list: 1. Think Pads with insufficient power from mouse port: 365D, 700, 750CD, 755CSE, 760CD and 760ED. I guess there's hope for the 701. They do have a "power brick" as alternative. 2. The serial port doesn't supply anywhere enough power for the Shark. They say the power comes off pin 4 of the PS2 connector. I wonder if/how the port can be tested to determine the available power? Anyone know of a place that would have detailed tech specs for the 701cs? 3. In order of preference, the parallel port mode should be set to ECP, EPP or bi-directional. ECP allows twice the thru-put of bi-directional. It prefers that the parallel port be sitting on IRQ 7 (address 0378) or IRQ 5 (address 0278). ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Avatar Shark 250 Author: Robert Huber at WYATT_1CALL_WDC Date: 6/16/97 6:55 AM I am considering the Avatar Shark 250 Parallel Port external removable media hard disk drive (something like the ZIP/JAZ dive but 1/4 the size and 250MB per "floppy") for my TP701 as it says it is compatible with all of the OS's I use (everything else I have tried has been less than successful including several Iomega and Seagate units). Anyway, my major concern is that since the drive takes power from the mouse port, will the mouse port supply sufficient power for the drive to run properly. The spec for the drive lists 3.3 watts at 5 volts. Has anyone tried this unit on a TP701 or any other box and how did it go? Also, if the mouse port does not have the power to run the unit might the serial port? Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 13:05:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070007143; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:05:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12702; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:05:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:59:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12317; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:59:11 -0400 Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12295; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:59:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199706171659.MAA12295@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 9:57:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 10:02:26 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: warp 4 install on 750 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am in the process of upgrading all my computers to warp 4, and I am now ready to tackle the tp750. The geezers on this list will remember that the 750 came from a time that laptops didn't have internal cdroms. On my 750 I have a pcmcia scsi cdrom, and network card. I would prefer to do a cdrom install. It is clearly possible to create boot install floppies which will get the thingpad up to the cdrom reading stages. Has anybody on the list done this? I would REALLY appreciate the benefit of your experience. Alternatively, I could install remotely over ethernet. The problem is that the remote install program on my desktop will only try adapter 0, which on my machine is TCPIP (netbui and netbui over tcpip are on 1 and 2). Does anybody know how to make the remote install program feed to adaptor 1 or 2? Thanks very much in advance for your help. -Victor ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 14:08:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087130885; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:08:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16719; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:07:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:05:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16529; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:05:56 -0400 Received: from AST01.ligsystems.com (slip166-72-214-177.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.214.177]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16489; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:05:09 -0400 Received: by AST01.ligsystems.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id LAA001.55; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:05:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199706171505.LAA001.55@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 11:03:37 -0800 From: laniear@ibm.net To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: Merlin install X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <151_172_4_866559817> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just upgraded my 701C from Warp Connect to Warp 4.0 two days ago (my desktops have been running 4.0 for many months) with out any problem. It did hiccup when it tried to figure out what type monitor the 701 had, said it "could not recognize" it. I clicked on okay (I had a backup on my server) but when it rebooted everything was fine. All the software which ran before runs the same now. Last night I let it download and install fix pack one; it's slow at 14.4. Lee //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 01:34:25 -0400 > From: "Brian Katz" > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Merlin install > > I am about ready to install Merlin Warp 4.0 on my 701 and was > wondering if anyone has had any bad experiences or can make any > recommendations regarding this move. Any thoughts appreciated... > > -Brian > -- > Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu > Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ > State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office > USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax > > //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 01:34:25 -0400 > From: "Brian Katz" > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Merlin install > > I am about ready to install Merlin Warp 4.0 on my 701 and was > wondering if anyone has had any bad experiences or can make any > recommendations regarding this move. Any thoughts appreciated... > > -Brian > -- > Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu > Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ > State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office > USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax > > ||----------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || || ||----------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 14:21:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090001698; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:21:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18097; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:21:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:20:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17977; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:20:31 -0400 Received: from AST01.ligsystems.com (slip166-72-214-177.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.214.177]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17940; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:20:07 -0400 Received: by AST01.ligsystems.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id LAA001.56; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:19:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199706171519.LAA001.56@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 11:14:46 -0800 From: laniear@ibm.net To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: Merlin install X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <151_172_4_866560486> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Gerry, What kind of suspend and PCMCIA problems are you having. I installed Warp 4.0 on my TP 701C (24 meg, 1.0 GB) using a serial port SCSI adapter connected to an external NEC CD-ROM. On mine suspend works just fine as does my PCMCIA token ring adapter. Lee //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: ? Tue, 17 Jun 97 10:37:08 ? -0800 > From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk > To: katz@evelyn.acs.psu.edu, > THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk > Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk > Subject: Re: Merlin install > > In-Reply-To: <9706170534.AA19337@evelyn.acs.psu.edu> > Merlin definitely needs more disk space, and feels as if it needs more > memory. My 755CD with 840 Meg and 16 Meg respectively seems to be a bit > creaky, but runs ok. With a 701 and therefore no cdrom, guess you won't > run into my pcmcia problem. But I do have some as yet unresolved concerns > about the power management - does not seem to suspend properly when I > shut the lid. There are also a couple of things to watch out for with the > mwave/dsp kit, but that does not affect the 701. > > Gerry > > ||----------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || || ||----------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 16:42:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136300125; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:42:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28288; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:41:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:39:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28032; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:39:06 -0400 Received: from cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.152.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28022; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:39:03 -0400 Received: from mcneelybn_1 (bnm.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.150.16]) by cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA09325; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970617163755.00ec98c0@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: bnm@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:37:55 -0400 To: "Victor Kress" From: bnm@ornl.gov (Brooks McNeely) Subject: Re: warp 4 install on 750 Cc: "Thinkpad mailing list" In-Reply-To: <199706171659.MAA12295@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:02 AM 6/17/97 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: >I am in the process of upgrading all my computers to warp 4, and I am >now ready to tackle the tp750. The geezers on this list will remember >that the 750 came from a time that laptops didn't have internal cdroms. > >On my 750 I have a pcmcia scsi cdrom, and network card. I would >prefer to do a cdrom install. It is clearly possible to create boot install >floppies which will get the thingpad up to the cdrom reading stages. >Has anybody on the list done this? I would REALLY appreciate the >benefit of your experience. > Victor, I've done this on my TP755C. First I have an IBM SCSI Credit Card adapter; it is a PCMCIA (aka PC Card) SCSI adapter. I had a pre-existing Warp version on my TP from a diskette install (BTW, I think you can create the 20-30 something diskettes off the CD, and use diskettes to install Warp), so I installed the OS2 software for the SCSI card onto my system, which enabled me to use the SCSI CDRom from Warp. Then, with some trial and error, I figured out what drivers were installed to make the CDRom work. Finally, I used these new drivers, basedev's, etc, to update the Warp 4 boot floppies; I also had to make some changes to the config.sys on the boot floppies. After lots of fiddling, cursing, and rebooting, I finally got Warp 4 to install directly from the CD with my modified boot floppies. I think I had to find some drivers which would _not_ be used, in order to delete enough space off the boot floppies to make room for the extra drivers for the PCMCIA SCSI. The main problem I had was that one of the drivers for the SCSI adapter replaced a driver of the same name in the standard Warp install. Good luck. Brooks Brooks McNeely Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc. E-mail: bnm@ornl.gov (work) brooks_mcneely@ibm.net (non-work) Phone: 423-574-4612 (voice) 423-576-6608 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 17:02:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142921376; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:02:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00247; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:02:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:02:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00134; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:02:14 -0400 Received: from cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.152.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00124; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:02:11 -0400 Received: from mcneelybn_1 (bnm.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.150.16]) by cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA11373; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970617170100.00a2c088@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: bnm@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:01:00 -0400 To: bnm@ornl.gov (Brooks McNeely) From: bnm@ornl.gov (Brooks McNeely) Subject: Re: warp 4 install on 750 Cc: "Victor Kress" , "Thinkpad mailing list" In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970617163755.00ec98c0@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> References: <199706171659.MAA12295@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:37 PM 6/17/97 -0400, Brooks McNeely wrote: >At 10:02 AM 6/17/97 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: >>I am in the process of upgrading all my computers to warp 4, and I am >>now ready to tackle the tp750. The geezers on this list will remember >>that the 750 came from a time that laptops didn't have internal cdroms. >> >>On my 750 I have a pcmcia scsi cdrom, and network card. I would >>prefer to do a cdrom install. It is clearly possible to create boot install >>floppies which will get the thingpad up to the cdrom reading stages. >>Has anybody on the list done this? I would REALLY appreciate the >>benefit of your experience. >> >Victor, > >I've done this on my TP755C. First I have an IBM SCSI Credit Card adapter; >it is a PCMCIA (aka PC Card) SCSI adapter. > >I had a pre-existing Warp version on my TP from a diskette install (BTW, I >think you can create the 20-30 something diskettes off the CD, and use >diskettes to install Warp), so I installed the OS2 software for the SCSI >card onto my system, which enabled me to use the SCSI CDRom from Warp. >Then, with some trial and error, I figured out what drivers were installed >to make the CDRom work. Finally, I used these new drivers, basedev's, etc, >to update the Warp 4 boot floppies; I also had to make some changes to the >config.sys on the boot floppies. > >After lots of fiddling, cursing, and rebooting, I finally got Warp 4 to >install directly from the CD with my modified boot floppies. I think I had >to find some drivers which would _not_ be used, in order to delete enough >space off the boot floppies to make room for the extra drivers for the >PCMCIA SCSI. > >The main problem I had was that one of the drivers for the SCSI adapter >replaced a driver of the same name in the standard Warp install. > Sorry, I never finished this last thought (interrupted while writing previous message). I found that the install overwrote the driver by the same name, and when the system rebooted during the install process, the CDRom was no longer usable. Plus I had had problems previously installing fixpacks, because the fixpacks almost always replaced this driver. What I discovered was that I could rename this driver to some arbitrary name not used anywhere else (with the proper extension), and everything magically worked fine thereafter. Brooks Brooks McNeely Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc. E-mail: bnm@ornl.gov (work) brooks_mcneely@ibm.net (non-work) Phone: 423-574-4612 (voice) 423-576-6608 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 17 22:34:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234661246; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:34:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14993; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:33:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:32:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14885; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:32:52 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14874; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:32:48 -0400 From: Keith Moore Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id WAA24099; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706180232.WAA24099@spot.cs.utk.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: tp750 audio with linux/*bsd Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu has anyone figured out how to get the thinkpad 750's audio chip to work with either Linux or *bsd? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 18 02:54:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010146866; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:54:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25212; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:54:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:50:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24769; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:50:27 -0400 Received: from huset.fm.unit.no ([129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24161; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:34:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 20828 invoked by uid 30256); 18 Jun 1997 06:34:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:34:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.fm.unit.no To: Victor Kress Cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: warp 4 install on 750 In-Reply-To: <199706171659.MAA12295@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Victor Kress wrote: > I am in the process of upgrading all my computers to warp 4, and I am > now ready to tackle the tp750. The geezers on this list will remember > that the 750 came from a time that laptops didn't have internal cdroms. > > On my 750 I have a pcmcia scsi cdrom, and network card. I would > prefer to do a cdrom install. It is clearly possible to create boot install > floppies which will get the thingpad up to the cdrom reading stages. > Has anybody on the list done this? I would REALLY appreciate the > benefit of your experience. This is actually fearly easy. All you have to do is add the pcmcia support to the disks. You need the pcmcia.sys file on the 2 disk (disk 1) and the basedev=xxxxxxx for your scsi card on the third disk (disk 2). I used the pcmcia driver from warp 3 to make these disks, and it worked well. BTW, there is a read.me file on the cd-rom which tells you to do this. It also tells you which files you can safely remove from the bootdisks. > Alternatively, I could install remotely over ethernet. The problem is > that the remote install program on my desktop will only try adapter 0, > which on my machine is TCPIP (netbui and netbui over tcpip are on 1 > and 2). Does anybody know how to make the remote install program > feed to adaptor 1 or 2? Are you sure about this. The first adapter should be your ethernet card, and the protocols should be attached to this (see mtps). The protocols are all attached to this adapter. Here at work we use 4 protocols over the card, and the remote install worked fine (the first protocol is ieee 802.2 ). If you have any questions feel free to send me a mail. CU -- LArs Evensen, Overordnet TillitsValgt (OTV) ved FIM, NTNU E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 18 03:30:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020469025; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 03:30:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24283; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:35:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:34:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24171; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:34:47 -0400 Received: from huset.fm.unit.no ([129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24161; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:34:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 20828 invoked by uid 30256); 18 Jun 1997 06:34:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:34:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.fm.unit.no To: Victor Kress Cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: warp 4 install on 750 In-Reply-To: <199706171659.MAA12295@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Victor Kress wrote: > I am in the process of upgrading all my computers to warp 4, and I am > now ready to tackle the tp750. The geezers on this list will remember > that the 750 came from a time that laptops didn't have internal cdroms. > > On my 750 I have a pcmcia scsi cdrom, and network card. I would > prefer to do a cdrom install. It is clearly possible to create boot install > floppies which will get the thingpad up to the cdrom reading stages. > Has anybody on the list done this? I would REALLY appreciate the > benefit of your experience. This is actually fearly easy. All you have to do is add the pcmcia support to the disks. You need the pcmcia.sys file on the 2 disk (disk 1) and the basedev=xxxxxxx for your scsi card on the third disk (disk 2). I used the pcmcia driver from warp 3 to make these disks, and it worked well. BTW, there is a read.me file on the cd-rom which tells you to do this. It also tells you which files you can safely remove from the bootdisks. > Alternatively, I could install remotely over ethernet. The problem is > that the remote install program on my desktop will only try adapter 0, > which on my machine is TCPIP (netbui and netbui over tcpip are on 1 > and 2). Does anybody know how to make the remote install program > feed to adaptor 1 or 2? Are you sure about this. The first adapter should be your ethernet card, and the protocols should be attached to this (see mtps). The protocols are all attached to this adapter. Here at work we use 4 protocols over the card, and the remote install worked fine (the first protocol is ieee 802.2 ). If you have any questions feel free to send me a mail. CU -- LArs Evensen, Overordnet TillitsValgt (OTV) ved FIM, NTNU E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 18 10:13:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125733182; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:13:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26735; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:12:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:10:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26495; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:10:02 -0400 Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26482; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:09:57 -0400 Received: from pool002-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool002-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.77]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11500 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706181409.HAA11500@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 07:10:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 Overall Quality and Easyserve Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just wanted to get some opinions: has anyone really noticed or had the problem of having their 701 fall apart, as is poor case design, defective components, etc? Also, has anyone here had any really BAD instances in dealing with Easyserve on a 701 in particular? So far, I have my 701 hooked up to a 6 year old PS/2 color vga, because the backlight broke, and the display portions' case has so little support that it would almost be better for the machine to have it off, except that the Fn key can be pressed easier when the machine is in suspend. Also, I recall hearing that someone else on this list had speaker problems with their 701. I had problems with mine for about a year now, and after even poking at the speaker litterally desperate to hear something, I decided to take a look at the audio-out jack (built-in, not on multiport), and it turns out that a pin was loose, so I tried to push it into the jack with a special toolset. Bad news, the connecter came out, not suprisingly thankfully, because I had the machine in suspend so I could test the speaker every so often. Good news, the speaker instantly worked! Talk about strange. Also regarding my problems with Easyserve, what happened is that they think I dropped the machine as an excuse for the hinges breaking from pushing in the keyboard, and some other assumptions, so they wouldn't repair the machine under warranty, and I was told some things I would rather not quote here also. When I recieved the machine 2 days late, it was missing a about 1/4 of the display bezel, and the keyboard shelf (which covers the keyboard mechanics) was not even attached to the machine, and after I re-attached it, I realized that the didn't return about 1/5 of it (both ends). I don't know if their techs. are trying to build their own 701 from bits and pieces, but I was not very happy, and I only get a response from IBM whenever I call, not when they tell me. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm suprised at their quality of products and service in this instance, because I have 2 other PS/2s, and 3 XTs, amongst tons of other IBM peripherals, and have never had any other problems. Thanks for all your help. Sincerely, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 18 10:43:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135205022; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:43:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28983; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:43:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:41:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28811; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:41:44 -0400 Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28793; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:41:38 -0400 Received: from pool002-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool002-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.77]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA20124; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706181441.HAA20124@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Chris DiBona" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 07:42:32 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:00:57 -0700, Chris DiBona wrote: >Hi.. > >that would be the IBM home and away card, available for about 30$. Has a >14.4 modem and a 10base-t port. Works great under linux, won't vouch for >win95/nt etc... as I have never tried it under these two os's. You can find >them at Fry's here in Silicon Valley. > > > Chris DiBona > I got mine a while ago for about $65 or $70, but the price is just right for that card. W95 drivers are strange, becuase you need to download a setup program off of IBM's BBS or FTP site, and it updates the FLASH RAM inside so Windows 95 autodetects it, but then you can't use it with other OSes. In fact, I am connected to my provider right now with the Home&Away so I can respond to my email, and it seems to work more reliably than the internal modem (tp701). One question though: How does someone go about getting it to work in Linux, either Red Hat, Slackware, or my favorite, Debian? I have a CD-ROM with all 3, and will install it sometime soon, but when I had it one before, I never figured out how to enable the ESS688, and the PCMCIA. Also, another thing about the Home&Away card is that the drivers that come with it are DOS/Windows 3.x only! You need a new revision for OS/2 support, and a seperate program for Win95, as mentioned earlier. I also noticed that the Novell client included is kind of flaky. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 18 11:29:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148817749; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:29:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04141; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:28:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:27:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03986; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:27:56 -0400 Received: from AST01.ligsystems.com (slip166-72-214-66.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.214.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03966; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:27:38 -0400 Received: by AST01.ligsystems.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id IAA001.70; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:28:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199706181228.IAA001.70@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 08:00:13 -0800 From: laniear@ibm.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Cc: pkhoury@earthlink.net Subject: Re: TP701 Overall Quality and Easyserve X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <169_146_4_866635213> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul, I'm sure you'll get varying opinions but mine is totally positive. > > I just wanted to get some opinions: has anyone really noticed or had the problem of having their 701 fall apart, > as is poor case design, defective components, etc? My usage pattern for my 701 seems to be that I use it extensively for three or four months, taking it to client locations, and then it sits on my desk next to two of my desktops for three or four months. I am now in the extensive use phase. My TP 701 is getting lugged around several times each day. The top is opened and closed at least a dozen times per day and the port replicator is connected and disconnected several times as well as inserting and removing PCMCIA cards (token ring and ISDN TA) several times. Thus far nothing has broken. Well, that's not entirely true, I broke the plastic tab which holds the port replicator in place when I dropped the ThinkPad about five inches. > Also, has anyone here had any really BAD instances in > dealing with Easyserve on a 701 in particular? I've only had one experience with Easyserve. My internal modem died and after four months I finally had time to send it in. A few months earlier I had pooked a gouge in the LCD screen with my finger nail while pointing to something. When I sent the 701 in to have the modem repaired they returned it with a new port replicator and they replaced the screen even though I hadn't mentioned it. About two weeks later I noticed that my battery only lasted 30 - 45 minutes when fully charged, instead of about two hours. I called Easyserve and said that they must have changed batteries on me. They sent me a new one and I returned the one I got. I think that's pretty good service. I wouldn't dispute your experiences but mine have been totally positive. > PS/2s, and 3 XTs, amongst tons of other IBM peripherals, Well, I have a couple of PS/2's also, one of which is ten years old and I would like to believe that my ThinkPad would last as long and run as well (but there's not way to make two CPU upgrades to the TP). Last year I worked with a client who had standardized on Toshiba laptops. In the five months we worked together each member (four) of their team had to replace their Toshiba's because of one sort of failure or another; some had broken parts and others had dead electronics. Meanwhile my ThinkPad kept rolling along. Even though their Toshiba's were Pentitums there was no effective difference in the time we required to get our work done (of course we weren't doing anything CPU intensive). The only compliant I had with my 701 was the 540MB max hard drive. I bought a 1GB which is covered by the warranty and that fixed that problem. I'm going to by a 2.1 GB in the next couple of weeks (also covered). Sorry to hear about you negative experiences. Lee Laniear ||----------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || || ||----------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 18 11:42:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152888520; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:42:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05713; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:41:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:41:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05635; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:41:27 -0400 Received: from cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.152.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05624; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:41:24 -0400 Received: from mcneelybn_1 (bnm.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.150.16]) by cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA12530; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970618114007.008f7528@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: bnm@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:40:07 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" From: bnm@ornl.gov (Brooks McNeely) Subject: Re: TP701 Overall Quality and Easyserve Cc: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <199706181409.HAA11500@italy.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:10 AM 6/18/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >(which covers the keyboard mechanics) was not even attached to the machine, and after I re-attached it, I >realized that the didn't return about 1/5 of it (both ends). I don't know if their techs. are trying to build their >own 701 from bits and pieces, but I was not very happy, and I only get a response from IBM whenever I call, >not when they tell me. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm suprised at their quality of products and >service in this instance, because I have 2 other PS/2s, and 3 XTs, amongst tons of other IBM peripherals, >and have never had any other problems. Thanks for all your help. > With any company you can get the occasional bad service. The question is whether it is typical or atypical. Anyone can have a bad day (thinking of myself), communications can fail, personalities can clash, and many technical people are not the soul of reason they sometimes imagine. Fortunately, with a company the size of IBM you can always find someone else to talk to. They employ a number of people who act as ombudsmen for complaints such as yours. They may not give you any help, but they will be very nice about it. Plus, my experience is that they will help, if you can convince them that you have been unjustly suspected of misuse that did not happen. Not sure what they're called, but you should be able to find one with a little trip through IBM's Alice in Wonderland phone maze. Hope this helps. Brooks Brooks McNeely Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc. E-mail: bnm@ornl.gov (work) brooks_mcneely@ibm.net (non-work) Phone: 423-574-4612 (voice) 423-576-6608 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 18 15:04:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215440651; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:04:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20603; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:03:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:02:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20446; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:02:15 -0400 Received: from tom.compulink.co.uk (tom.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20394; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:02:06 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.9) id UAA19590 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:02:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 20:01 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Re: Merlin install To: laniear@ibm.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706171519.LAA001.56@AST01.ligsystems.com> > What kind of suspend and PCMCIA problems are you having. I installed Warp 4.0 on my TP > 701C (24 meg, 1.0 GB) using a serial port SCSI adapter connected to an external NEC CD-ROM. > On mine suspend works just fine as does my PCMCIA token ring adapter. Lee 1. the pcmcia problem appears to be a card services memory clash that is probably peculiar to the CD versions. So long as the diskette drive is in the ultrabay the ethernet card works fine, but if the cdrom drive is in place then my ethernet card is turned off. The solution is to specifically allocate shared memory for the pcmcia card and at any address *except* 80000. 2. suspend only turns the lcd display off, not the cpu. So the battery keeps draining. The only way I seem to be able to get a proper suspend is to shut the lid whilst on mains power, then remove the mains cord. Which is fine provided I don't actually want to use the thinkpad during the journey ..... 3. the mwave/dsp problem only affects non-US/Canada users of the internal dsp modem. Previously we had a separate diskette to set up the telephony functions; it is no longer required and will stop the modem working if you install it. 4. boot partition of 200Meg is not big enough to include java .....(not being a pentium, I did not even try to install voice-talk) .... Other than that it seems fine, and has one huge bonus over Warp Connect; I can now remove the ethernet card whilst the machine is running, and it continues running. Previously, that was an instant trap requiring reboot. Gerry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 18 18:09:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010281759; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:09:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03124; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:07:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:02:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02716; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:02:04 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02694; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:01:57 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA03345; Wed, 18 Jun 97 12:01:54 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA29383; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:02:51 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706182202.MAA29383@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: TP701 Overall Quality and Easyserve To: pkhoury@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 12:02:49 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706181409.HAA11500@italy.it.earthlink.net>; from "Paul Khoury" at Jun 18, 97 7:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I suspect that the 701 was a quality control nighmare for IBM - too bad, since I still think it has the best form factor in laptop history - I much prefer it to my 560 with which it was replaced. Lots of people on this list have had problems with their 701s. I did have problems with a couple of IBM reps; you have to poke around until you find someone you can deal with. As for repair quality, IBM never did manage to repair my 701 (after several atempts), though they *did* do nice things like tighten the hinges, clean the case, etc. For all that, IBM still has to be the best in the business. (Recent surveys which say otherwise rated companies on criteria of questionable long-term importance, like time until the phones are answered, or cost of service out-of-warrantee.) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 19 14:18:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA059814329; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:18:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18784; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:17:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:13:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18497; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:13:20 -0400 Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18470; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:13:04 -0400 Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08743; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03467; Thu, 19 Jun 97 14:19:02 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA02567; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:18:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle Reply-To: John Kim To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP701 Overall Quality and Easyserve In-Reply-To: <199706181409.HAA11500@italy.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > > I just wanted to get some opinions: has anyone really noticed > or had the problem of having their 701 fall apart, as is poor > case design, defective components, etc? EZServe cracked my LCD lid on the right hand side (where I put my thumb when I pick the closed computer up). When I posted my story (below) to this list, someone else commented they'd also gotten their 701 back from EZServe with a crack in the exact same place. Because they keyboard expands, the case near the right LCD hinge is very weak. If the computer is open, it's tempting to pick it up by this point since you can't pick it up by the keyboard. Doing so will eventually crack it (mine has). There have also been numerous reports of the hinges loosening and cracking - mine will no longer stay upright and will slowly tilt down over 10-20 minutes. The modem has always been a problem, disconnecting randomly. Changing the modem from LAPM to MNP supposedly fixes things (worked for me). The headphone jack will have static. I've had the motherboard swapped twice and it still has static. The headphone jack on the port replicator doesn't suffer this problem. > Also, has anyone here > had any really BAD instances in dealing with Easyserve on a > 701 in particular? So far, I have my 701 hooked up to a 6 I won't repeat my last EZServe experience in full. To summarize, I got my 701 back from an EZServe with a loose battery and a cracked case. I didn't immediately return it because I needed it for my school research, during the course of which I dropped it cracking the opposite end of the case. I sent it to EZServe with a letter explaining what parts were damaged from the previous EZServe, and which parts I had broken. They insisted I pay to repair *everything* because I "had no proof" some of the damage was from the previous repair. When I asked what constituted proof, they said I should've called in immediately after I got the machine back. I never understood this because if my word was good enough then, why isn't it good enough now. Anyways, this really upset me because I'd paid quite a premium ($$$ *and* foregoing a Pentium laptop) to stick with IBM's no-hassle service. The supervisor wouldn't budge and eventually I gave in and agreed to pay for the repair (did I mention they were holding my machine until I paid a $175 appraisal and shipping charge?). But the story has a (somewhat) happy ending. I got my computer fixed but they never charged my credit card. Did the paperwork get lost behind a desk? Did a higher-up intervene on my behalf? I dunno. I was a poor starving student at the time. I was too scared to inquire for fear they would magically find my bill and deprive me of two months food money. I have to get it repaired again soon (the crack from the original EZServe is still there, and the speaker is acting up). So maybe this saga will continue. I'm going to try giving it to an IBM authorized repair center this time. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 19 14:33:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064835234; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:33:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20130; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:32:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:31:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20015; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:31:56 -0400 Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20001; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:31:44 -0400 Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:27:16 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7CA4.CF9BB460@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:34:55 -0700 Message-Id: <01BC7CA4.CF9BB460@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Keith Moore'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: tp750 audio with linux/*bsd Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:34:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Don't know if this helps BUT: The chip is a CS4248 Crystal Semiconductor. Same as Analog Devices AD1848 rev K which was replaced by the pin compatible AD1845 . Info on both is on Analog's WEB page. Crystal lists the CS4231A as being the replacement for the CS4248. This might give you a few options in Setup. I'm trying to make the soundcard do Full duplex which means replacing the chip with a pin compatible one. And finding Drivers (grin). ..peter.. ---------- From: Keith Moore[SMTP:moore@cs.utk.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 3:32 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: tp750 audio with linux/*bsd has anyone figured out how to get the thinkpad 750's audio chip to work with either Linux or *bsd? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 19 14:42:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067505733; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:42:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21107; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:40:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:40:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20932; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:40:07 -0400 Received: from ame2.math.arizona.edu (ame2.math.arizona.edu [128.196.224.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20911; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:40:01 -0400 Received: (from rsm@localhost) by ame2.math.arizona.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15588; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:40:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:40:00 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199706191840.LAA15588@ame2.math.arizona.edu> From: "Robert S. Maier" To: moore@cs.utk.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706180232.WAA24099@spot.cs.utk.edu> (message from Keith Moore on Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:32:45 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: tp750 audio with linux/*bsd Phase-Of-Moon: Waxing Gibbous (99% of Full) Organization: Mathematics Department, University of Arizona Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >has anyone figured out how to get the thinkpad 750's audio chip [MWAVE] >to work with either Linux or *bsd? Not sure exactly what you're asking here, but right now my TP755CD runs Linux, and I have no problem playing audio CD's or .WAV files. The trick is to boot up DOS first, and use the MWGAMES command to load the SoundBlaster emulation into the MWAVE. (Just type MWGAMES ON CD; you may need to type MWGAMES OFF and/or MWMODEM OFF first.) Then use loadlin to boot Linux. Your Linux kernel should be configured for SB support, of course. As I said, this trick will let you play audio CD's and .WAV files under Linux. But you can't play MIDI files, for unknown reasons. Also, the SoundBlaster emulation isn't very good; the MWAVE emulates an 8-bit SoundBlaster. You can do `MWMODEM PRO' to make it emulate a SoundBlaster Pro instead, but at the price of giving up the ability to play CD's. Almost forgot. If you close the ThinkPad cover, the SB emulation goes away and you have to start all over again. As you may have gathered, I'm not impressed by IBM's MWAVE. Is IBM using it in more recent ThinkPads? -- Robert S. Maier | Internet: rsm@math.arizona.edu Dept. of Math. | Univ. of Arizona | Tucson, AZ 85721 | FAX: +1 520 621 8322 U.S.A. | Voice: +1 520 621 6893 (dept.), +1 520 621 2617 (office) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 19 14:57:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA071736662; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:57:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22377; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:56:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:55:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22215; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:55:11 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22194; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:55:05 -0400 Received: from cs.utk.edu by spot.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA04153; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706191855.OAA04153@spot.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: "Robert S. Maier" Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp750 audio with linux/*bsd In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:40:00 PDT." <199706191840.LAA15588@ame2.math.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:54:59 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Not sure exactly what you're asking here, but right now my TP755CD runs > Linux, and I have no problem playing audio CD's or .WAV files. the 755s use a different chip than the 750 did. Keith From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 19 15:01:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA072556869; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:01:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23395; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:59:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:57:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22720; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:57:26 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22508; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:56:43 -0400 Received: from cs.utk.edu by spot.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA04166; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706191856.OAA04166@spot.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: tisol Cc: "'Keith Moore'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: tp750 audio with linux/*bsd In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:34:54 PDT." <01BC7CA4.CF9BB460@sfupc.Triumf.CA> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:56:38 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Don't know if this helps BUT: > The chip is a CS4248 Crystal Semiconductor. > Same as Analog Devices AD1848 rev K which was replaced by the > pin compatible AD1845 . Info on both is on Analog's WEB page. > Crystal lists the CS4231A as being the replacement for the CS4248. Yeah, I know, but there must be some strange way it was interfaced to the bus. I've poked at the registers documented in the tech reference manual, and they don't act like those of an 1848K. Keith From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 19 15:58:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA092200300; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:58:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28844; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:55:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:54:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28712; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:54:56 -0400 Received: from gumby.activesystems.ca (gumby.activesystems.ca [206.186.157.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28393; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:51:49 -0400 Received: from Superman.ActiveSystems.ca (aruba.ActiveSystems.Ca [206.186.157.120]) by gumby.activesystems.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00459 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:53:32 GMT Message-Id: <199706191553.PAA00459@gumby.activesystems.ca> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ian Caldwell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:53:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Introduction and the TP700c Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello: I'm new to this list as I have just become a ThinkPad owner, so I hope that the questions that I have are appropriate. I also am not a computer expert so bear with me. I have been given a used TP 700c by the company to do with as I please. Unfortunately we can't find the user's manual but I know that the only upgrade to it has been to add memory so that it now has 16 meg and to change the O/S to Windows 95. The questions that I have are: First, is it worthwhile to upgrade the processor. I have seen on IBM's website something called the Blue Lighting which is 75mhtz. Is this a good upgrade or are there other vendors who offer a better alternative? Second, I can't seem to get the display to go above 16 colours. I found that IBM has a 256 colour driver for the 700c unfortunately it doesn't work in Windows 95. Is there a driver somewhere else that I can use or should I consider getting a new video board. If a new video board is the answer can anybody tell me of a good board to buy. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank You Ian Caldwell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 19 16:29:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101782157; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:29:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01710; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:27:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:27:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01549; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:26:58 -0400 Received: from AST01.ligsystems.com (slip129-37-97-80.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.97.80]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01496; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:26:47 -0400 Received: by AST01.ligsystems.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id NAA002.17; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:26:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199706191726.NAA002.17@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 13:20:13 -0800 From: laniear@ibm.net To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: Merlin install X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <214_165_4_866740813> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Gerry, I guess it is different over different machines and I also have the impression that the 701 is even more different. I purposely tried my suspend yesterday by letting the machine sit. The display suspends, and then the disk and then the CPU. It sat for over an hour with no drop in the battery level indicator. Boy, you're right about the 200 MB partition for warp 4. I had been previously installing OS/2 on 150 MB partitions. I now have a 350 MB partition for it (I installed Voice Type and Java development). Lee > > In-Reply-To: <199706171519.LAA001.56@AST01.ligsystems.com> > > What kind of suspend and PCMCIA problems are you having. I installed > Warp 4.0 on my TP > > 701C (24 meg, 1.0 GB) using a serial port SCSI adapter connected to an > external NEC CD-ROM. > > On mine suspend works just fine as does my PCMCIA token ring adapter. > > Lee > > 1. the pcmcia problem appears to be a card services memory clash that is > probably peculiar to the CD versions. So long as the diskette drive is in > the ultrabay the ethernet card works fine, but if the cdrom drive is in > place then my ethernet card is turned off. The solution is to > specifically allocate shared memory for the pcmcia card and at any > address *except* 80000. > > 2. suspend only turns the lcd display off, not the cpu. So the battery > keeps draining. The only way I seem to be able to get a proper suspend is > to shut the lid whilst on mains power, then remove the mains cord. Which > is fine provided I don't actually want to use the thinkpad during the > journey ..... > > 3. the mwave/dsp problem only affects non-US/Canada users of the internal > dsp modem. Previously we had a separate diskette to set up the telephony > functions; it is no longer required and will stop the modem working if > you install it. > > 4. boot partition of 200Meg is not big enough to include java .....(not > being a pentium, I did not even try to install voice-talk) .... > > Other than that it seems fine, and has one huge bonus over Warp Connect; > I can now remove the ethernet card whilst the machine is running, and it > continues running. Previously, that was an instant trap requiring reboot. > > Gerry > > ||----------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || || ||----------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 19 23:12:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA174256336; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:12:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28202; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:06:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:05:31 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28048; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:05:29 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id XAA05516; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06404; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:22:00 -0400 Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-239-233.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.239.233]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA35824; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:21:48 GMT Message-Id: <199706192121.VAA35824@out1.ibm.net> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Ruth Franklin (Home)" , "Thinkpad Distribution List" , , , , Subject: IBM Cracked Cases (was TP701 Overall Quality and Easyserve) Sorry, long Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:23:11 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > EZServe cracked my LCD lid on the right hand side (where I put > my thumb when I pick the closed computer up). When I posted my > story (below) to this list, someone else commented they'd also > gotten their 701 back from EZServe with a crack in the exact > same place. > > Because they keyboard expands, the case near the right LCD hinge > is very weak. If the computer is open, it's tempting to pick it > up by this point since you can't pick it up by the keyboard. > Doing so will eventually crack it (mine has). I think I should chime in with my bad experiences. I have found that IBM refuses to repair case cracks no matter what. I had a crack in the lid near the hinge. I never dropped the maching and never misused it. When I sent it into repair the tech said cracks and cosmetic damage are excluded from their warranty. As a literate person and a law student, I read their warranty and it only disclaims damage from misuse. IBM has interpreted this to mean "crack = misuse." I made a big stink about it and elevated the issue up the management chain. They finally said they will correct it this time but stuck with their stupid interpretation of "crack = misuse." That is when I got worried. If the warranty is good for everything except cracks I would have to reevaluate buying IBM. This is especially true since the TP760 tilting keyboard is innovative, but makes for a flimsy case in my opinion. I find I recommend Toshibas when the user needs a more sturdy case. I began to worry so I checked my other Thinkpad and found a crack on the hinge. The hinge had been malformed and that caused it to rub the other part of the hinge. A crack formed on one of the pieces that rubbed together. Any idiot could see the crack was caused by the malformed hinge and not by misuse. So I sent it back to IBM. Guess what, "crack = misuse." It got elevated to the same idiot in management who now said "I warned you before . . ." Reluctantly, the fixed it for free after admitting he had never seen the machine as the tech and machine where in another state. But, he assured me the techs were very good at deciding what cracks were caused by misuse. What is strange about that is the tech he was talking about said they aren't allowed to fix any cases for free under any circumstances, i.e., "crack = misuse." Blind application of a beurocratic policy made on high. It gets worse. The first machine that got sent in had been sitting on the table for 4 weeks after being sent in. I had only turned it on once or twice when I noticed another crack. This crack must have happened when they were fixing the first. It is near the hinge which had to be removed to do the last repair. I called EZ-Serve to report it so they would know but that was four weeks later. I now am in a quandry on whether to send it in because "crack = misuse." I know I will be dealing with the same idiots as before, and don't look forward to that battle. As a result I don't feel I can be the champion of IBM machines at the Fortune-100 company I work at. When IBM had the best service in the industry and usually fixed things no questions asked, the $2,000 premium paid for their machines could be justified. Now the calculus is more complex. -- \\|||// (o) (o) ======.oOO==( )==OOo.======= || || || Thomas D. Franklin || || tom.franklin@usa.net || || || || .oooO Oooo. || =======( )===( )======== \ ( ) / \_) (_/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 19 23:32:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176437523; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:32:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29414; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:29:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:28:41 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29319; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:28:39 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id XAA05516; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06404; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:22:00 -0400 Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-239-233.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.239.233]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA35824; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:21:48 GMT Message-Id: <199706192121.VAA35824@out1.ibm.net> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Ruth Franklin (Home)" , "Thinkpad Distribution List" , , , , Subject: IBM Cracked Cases (was TP701 Overall Quality and Easyserve) Sorry, long Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:23:11 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > EZServe cracked my LCD lid on the right hand side (where I put > my thumb when I pick the closed computer up). When I posted my > story (below) to this list, someone else commented they'd also > gotten their 701 back from EZServe with a crack in the exact > same place. > > Because they keyboard expands, the case near the right LCD hinge > is very weak. If the computer is open, it's tempting to pick it > up by this point since you can't pick it up by the keyboard. > Doing so will eventually crack it (mine has). I think I should chime in with my bad experiences. I have found that IBM refuses to repair case cracks no matter what. I had a crack in the lid near the hinge. I never dropped the maching and never misused it. When I sent it into repair the tech said cracks and cosmetic damage are excluded from their warranty. As a literate person and a law student, I read their warranty and it only disclaims damage from misuse. IBM has interpreted this to mean "crack = misuse." I made a big stink about it and elevated the issue up the management chain. They finally said they will correct it this time but stuck with their stupid interpretation of "crack = misuse." That is when I got worried. If the warranty is good for everything except cracks I would have to reevaluate buying IBM. This is especially true since the TP760 tilting keyboard is innovative, but makes for a flimsy case in my opinion. I find I recommend Toshibas when the user needs a more sturdy case. I began to worry so I checked my other Thinkpad and found a crack on the hinge. The hinge had been malformed and that caused it to rub the other part of the hinge. A crack formed on one of the pieces that rubbed together. Any idiot could see the crack was caused by the malformed hinge and not by misuse. So I sent it back to IBM. Guess what, "crack = misuse." It got elevated to the same idiot in management who now said "I warned you before . . ." Reluctantly, the fixed it for free after admitting he had never seen the machine as the tech and machine where in another state. But, he assured me the techs were very good at deciding what cracks were caused by misuse. What is strange about that is the tech he was talking about said they aren't allowed to fix any cases for free under any circumstances, i.e., "crack = misuse." Blind application of a beurocratic policy made on high. It gets worse. The first machine that got sent in had been sitting on the table for 4 weeks after being sent in. I had only turned it on once or twice when I noticed another crack. This crack must have happened when they were fixing the first. It is near the hinge which had to be removed to do the last repair. I called EZ-Serve to report it so they would know but that was four weeks later. I now am in a quandry on whether to send it in because "crack = misuse." I know I will be dealing with the same idiots as before, and don't look forward to that battle. As a result I don't feel I can be the champion of IBM machines at the Fortune-100 company I work at. When IBM had the best service in the industry and usually fixed things no questions asked, the $2,000 premium paid for their machines could be justified. Now the calculus is more complex. -- \\|||// (o) (o) ======.oOO==( )==OOo.======= || || || Thomas D. Franklin || || tom.franklin@usa.net || || || || .oooO Oooo. || =======( )===( )======== \ ( ) / \_) (_/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 00:20:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183420410; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:20:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02742; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:19:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:18:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02579; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:18:31 -0400 Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02569; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:18:27 -0400 Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA35632; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:14:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Ian Caldwell Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Introduction and the TP700c In-Reply-To: <199706191553.PAA00459@gumby.activesystems.ca> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu 1. Upgrading the CPU: The only CPU upgrade made for the 700 was the 50/25Mhz SLC2. Originally this upgrade was priced at $500 later it came down to $50. You can not just pop in a new cpu, since it needs a replacement bios chip as well. I can tell you the part number for this kit which you could probably still get from IBM Boulder parts but at a pretty steep price. 2. Video card: internally you cannot change the video card. If you havea docking station (the 3550-002) you can put in an XGA or XGA2 card and use an external monitor. Otherwise thats it. 3. HD upgrades. Some companies sell a Hard drive upgrade for the 700/720 machines up to 540MB. On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Ian Caldwell wrote: > Hello: > > I'm new to this list as I have just become a ThinkPad owner, so I > hope that the questions that I have are appropriate. I also am not a > computer expert so bear with me. > > I have been given a used TP 700c by the company to do with as I > please. Unfortunately we can't find the user's manual but I know that > the only upgrade to it has been to add memory so that it now has 16 > meg and to change the O/S to Windows 95. > > The questions that I have are: > > First, is it worthwhile to upgrade the processor. I have seen on > IBM's website something called the Blue Lighting which is 75mhtz. Is > this a good upgrade or are there other vendors who offer a better > alternative? > > Second, I can't seem to get the display to go above 16 colours. I > found that IBM has a 256 colour driver for the 700c unfortunately it > doesn't work in Windows 95. Is there a driver somewhere else that I > can use or should I consider getting a new video board. If a new > video board is the answer can anybody tell me of a good board to buy. > > Any suggestions are appreciated. > > Thank You > > Ian Caldwell > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 00:27:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185400869; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:27:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03591; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:27:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:26:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03494; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:26:38 -0400 Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03473; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:26:31 -0400 Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA41266; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:23:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Tom Franklin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Cracked Cases (was TP701 Overall Quality and Easyserve) Sorry, long In-Reply-To: <199706192121.VAA35824@out1.ibm.net> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had the original thinkpad 700 and that had a problem with the hinges splitting apart and IBM covered that no questions asked. I am surprised however that the splitting hinge is still a recurring defect in their later models. It hasn't happened on my 755cd and I've had that for a year now (time for an upgrade actually). Generally, I've found that when the Easyserv people on the phone tell you that "problem x is misuse and not covered under the warranty" then you should ask them to let you send in the machine to have Easyserv evaluate whether or not the damage to it is because of misuse. I've found that almost always once the machine gets to the repair center it comes back repaired. Another problem is to send in the machine when there is some other problem with it (mouse or keyboard not working) then put a note with the machine and ask them to fix your other problem as well. It's also a good time to ask them for an extra mouse cap. On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Tom Franklin wrote: > > EZServe cracked my LCD lid on the right hand side (where I put > > my thumb when I pick the closed computer up). When I posted my > > story (below) to this list, someone else commented they'd also > > gotten their 701 back from EZServe with a crack in the exact > > same place. > > > > Because they keyboard expands, the case near the right LCD hinge > > is very weak. If the computer is open, it's tempting to pick it > > up by this point since you can't pick it up by the keyboard. > > Doing so will eventually crack it (mine has). > > I think I should chime in with my bad experiences. I have found that IBM > refuses to repair case cracks no matter what. I had a crack in the lid > near the hinge. I never dropped the maching and never misused it. When I > sent it into repair the tech said cracks and cosmetic damage are excluded > from their warranty. As a literate person and a law student, I read their > warranty and it only disclaims damage from misuse. > > IBM has interpreted this to mean "crack = misuse." I made a big stink > about it and elevated the issue up the management chain. They finally said > they will correct it this time but stuck with their stupid interpretation > of "crack = misuse." > > That is when I got worried. If the warranty is good for everything except > cracks I would have to reevaluate buying IBM. This is especially true > since the TP760 tilting keyboard is innovative, but makes for a flimsy case > in my opinion. I find I recommend Toshibas when the user needs a more > sturdy case. > > I began to worry so I checked my other Thinkpad and found a crack on the > hinge. The hinge had been malformed and that caused it to rub the other > part of the hinge. A crack formed on one of the pieces that rubbed > together. Any idiot could see the crack was caused by the malformed hinge > and not by misuse. So I sent it back to IBM. Guess what, "crack = > misuse." It got elevated to the same idiot in management who now said "I > warned you before . . ." > > Reluctantly, the fixed it for free after admitting he had never seen the > machine as the tech and machine where in another state. But, he assured me > the techs were very good at deciding what cracks were caused by misuse. > What is strange about that is the tech he was talking about said they > aren't allowed to fix any cases for free under any circumstances, i.e., > "crack = misuse." Blind application of a beurocratic policy made on high. > > It gets worse. The first machine that got sent in had been sitting on the > table for 4 weeks after being sent in. I had only turned it on once or > twice when I noticed another crack. This crack must have happened when > they were fixing the first. It is near the hinge which had to be removed > to do the last repair. I called EZ-Serve to report it so they would know > but that was four weeks later. I now am in a quandry on whether to send it > in because "crack = misuse." I know I will be dealing with the same idiots > as before, and don't look forward to that battle. > > As a result I don't feel I can be the champion of IBM machines at the > Fortune-100 company I work at. When IBM had the best service in the > industry and usually fixed things no questions asked, the $2,000 premium > paid for their machines could be justified. Now the calculus is more > complex. > > > -- > > \\|||// > (o) (o) > ======.oOO==( )==OOo.======= > || || > || Thomas D. Franklin || > || tom.franklin@usa.net || > || || > || .oooO Oooo. || > =======( )===( )======== > \ ( ) / > \_) (_/ > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 00:30:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185811013; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:30:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03974; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:29:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:28:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03817; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:28:51 -0400 Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03805; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:28:46 -0400 Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA41398; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:25:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:25:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Audio with Mwave Solaris X86? Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone gotten the sound to work on Solaris X86 on a thinkpad that has the Mwave DSP (such as the 755CD)? I know that the modem part of the MWAVE will not work because it needs to have the "MwaveOS" running, but I'm pretty sure that the mwave chip is register compatible with soundblaster pro which Solaris does support. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 00:42:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187811771; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:42:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04893; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:42:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:41:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04805; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:41:57 -0400 Received: from wolfenet.com (news1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04792; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:41:51 -0400 Received: from pele.wolfenet.com (sea-ts4-p21.wolfenet.com [207.178.59.71]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23888 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970619214156.006cdcf4@popserv.wolfenet.com> X-Sender: pele@popserv.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:41:56 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Lewis Subject: Tp 701.hib Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In root directory c: of my TP701c is a file named Tp 701.hb that's nearly 26mb. It says it's the hibernation file. Is it necessary to keep this file if I never use the hibernate mode? Will it reconstruct itself if I kill it? Thanks. -- Peter Lewis pele@wolfenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 00:56:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189582605; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:56:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05679; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:55:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:54:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05578; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:54:29 -0400 Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05560; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:54:21 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA01753; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:54:09 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199706200454.AAA01753@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: Audio with Mwave Solaris X86? To: hosseino@ymail.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinof) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Joshua Hosseinof" at Jun 20, 97 00:25:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Has anyone gotten the sound to work on Solaris X86 on a thinkpad that has > the Mwave DSP (such as the 755CD)? I know that the modem part of the > MWAVE will not work because it needs to have the "MwaveOS" running, but > I'm pretty sure that the mwave chip is register compatible with > soundblaster pro which Solaris does support. True, but I'm under the impression that the MWave code has to be downloaded to the DSP to make the SoundBlaster stuff work, too, register compatibility notwithstanding. I'd certainly be interested in hearing if anyone has any success in this regard, though. But I confess that I've never even tried to get sound working on a Solaris Thinkpad. Has anyone tried Solaris 2.6 yet? It's supposed to have a few more "notebook-friendly" features. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 01:54:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA198056077; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:54:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07799; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:52:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:52:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07689; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:52:12 -0400 Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07679; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:52:08 -0400 Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18726; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:47:46 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7D1C.A1D86140@17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca>; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:52:38 -0500 Message-Id: <01BC7D1C.A1D86140@17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: Cracked TP, etc horror stories: my version Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:52:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, As a new owner of a TP, I must say I disagree with some stories I heard = here. Maybe the 365XDs have a special support group at IBM?:) Maybe I = haven't been a TP fan for so long... When I bought my TP365XD it was the store owners machine... I had to = have it that week and he had been promising the machine for a month, and = always came up with inventory, B.O.s, etc... excuses. Finally he told me = well I could sell you mymachine.. except it has a cosmetic problem: = there is a missing edge that covers the space that would be left when = you close the screen (it was really broken, now how he did it is a = mistery to me). "So I'll sell it to you $100 cheaper and give you the RAM upgrade cost = (32MB). Ok, go for it. Now when I came to pickup the machine he told me = I would have to send it to service because there was a problem with the = battery. When at home, I noticed a crack that would prevent the keyboard = from snapping correctly (when you close it after opening for batt = access) and also about 5-6 dead pixels on the DSTN screen. Having the = feeling I am in for some fun I call support, they Fedex a box, and it = takes 10 days to get the computer back. Guess what! They replaced the WHOLE SCREEN, the edge that was missing = (broken) and the keyboard. Which is normal, you'd say. Well, not from = what I've heard here... And why is it that every single person that sees my thinkpad just lets = out a "*wow*" just knowing its a thinkpad... other laptops dont get this = kind of service. And that was *THE* reason I wanted to buy one, at my = own risk of testing the service & warranty at the same time I got the = computer. Comments welcome, Fabian From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 03:40:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211222440; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:40:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13535; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:38:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:38:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13435; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:37:58 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13385; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:37:50 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA08592; Thu, 19 Jun 97 21:37:53 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA03448; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:38:49 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706200738.VAA03448@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Cracked TP, etc horror stories: my version To: MagicFab@bigfoot.com (Fabian Rodriguez) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 21:38:48 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BC7D1C.A1D86140@17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca>; from "Fabian Rodriguez" at Jun 20, 97 1:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > As a new owner of a TP, I must say I disagree with some stories I heard = > here. Maybe the 365XDs have a special support group at IBM?:) Maybe I = > haven't been a TP fan for so long... When IBM is good they are very good; when they are bad it can be excruciating. You're new yet, wait and see:-) > access) and also about 5-6 dead pixels on the DSTN screen. Having the = Is this possible? I thought DSTN screens only died in line-sized chunks. - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 05:14:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221148083; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:14:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20311; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:14:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:13:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20174; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:13:06 -0400 Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20151; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:13:00 -0400 Received: from pool035-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool035-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.110]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA09758; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706200912.CAA09758@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 02:13:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cracked TP, etc horror stories: my version Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Jun 97 21:38:48 HST, David Ross wrote: >> As a new owner of a TP, I must say I disagree with some stories I heard = >> here. Maybe the 365XDs have a special support group at IBM?:) Maybe I = >> haven't been a TP fan for so long... > >When IBM is good they are very good; when they are bad it can be >excruciating. You're new yet, wait and see:-) > >> access) and also about 5-6 dead pixels on the DSTN screen. Having the = > >Is this possible? I thought DSTN screens only died in line-sized >chunks. > Mine had about three or four lines, I know for sure 2 on the left hand side, on the upper halve of the LCD (since DSTN is driven as 2 panels in a way), and one in the right hand side, bottom halve. Those lines got real annoying on particular colors, like red, green, blue, and white, but now I don't really care because I have to use an externel monitor anyways. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 05:17:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221338223; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:17:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21033; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:16:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:14:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20407; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:14:51 -0400 Received: from dindin.sima.sintef.no (root@dindin.sima.sintef.no [129.241.146.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20380; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:14:41 -0400 Received: from dindin.sima.sintef.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dindin (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19345 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:49:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199706191049.MAA19345@dindin> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Overall Quality In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:02:49 -1000." <199706182202.MAA29383@tarski.hawaii.edu> X-Uri: http://www.xpilot.org/~bjoerns/ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Stabell Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= @ Home Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:49:30 +0200 Sender: bjoerns@stabell.priv.no Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David Ross says: | I suspect that the 701 was a quality control nighmare for IBM - too bad= , | since I still think it has the best form factor in laptop history - I | much prefer it to my 560 with which it was replaced. Lots of people on= | this list have had problems with their 701s. Actually, I seem to recall the 701 held high as an example of how to do product development; at least it was on time. Perhaps the quality wasn't as good? In any case, I have had problems with my 701, but I'd probably have those= problems with any notebook I've had for a long time; bad (too loose) plu= gs. Bye, -- = Bj=F8rn Stabell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 05:48:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224650133; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:48:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28133; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:48:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:46:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27705; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:46:37 -0400 Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27695; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:46:33 -0400 Received: from pool050-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool050-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.200]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA15409; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706200946.CAA15409@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Fabian Rodriguez" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 02:25:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cracked TP, etc horror stories: my version Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:52:37 -0500, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: >Hello, > >As a new owner of a TP, I must say I disagree with some stories I heard here. Maybe the 365XDs have a special support group at IBM?:) Maybe I haven't been a TP fan for so long... > >When I bought my TP365XD it was the store owners machine... I had to have it that week and he had been promising the machine for a month, and always came up with inventory, B.O.s, etc... excuses. Finally he told me well I could sell you mymachine.. except it has a cosmetic problem: there is a missing edge that covers the space that would be left when you close the screen (it was really broken, now how he did it is a mistery to me). > >"So I'll sell it to you $100 cheaper and give you the RAM upgrade cost (32MB). Ok, go for it. Now when I came to pickup the machine he told me I would have to send it to service because there was a problem with the battery. When at home, I noticed a crack that would prevent the keyboard from snapping correctly (when you close it after opening for batt access) and also about 5-6 dead pixels on the DSTN screen. Having the feeling I am in for some fun I call support, they Fedex a box, and it takes 10 days to get the computer back. > >Guess what! They replaced the WHOLE SCREEN, the edge that was missing (broken) and the keyboard. Which is normal, you'd say. Well, not from what I've heard here... > >And why is it that every single person that sees my thinkpad just lets out a "*wow*" just knowing its a thinkpad... other laptops dont get this kind of service. And that was *THE* reason I wanted to buy one, at my own risk of testing the service & warranty at the same time I got the computer. > >Comments welcome, > >Fabian > > I don't know that kind of service happening to me. My 701cs is my second ThinkPad, my first was the 355c, which was nice because it was a TFT machine, only a 8.4" TFT (not as bad as my 7.4" mono monitor though), and the display one day went "out", so I called IBM, they referred me to a local dealer, and it was six months before I got my 701cs, because when I got it back, IBM said I had to pay for the damages that apparently the dealer did. When I sent it in to the dealer again, because I had to use it with, again, an external monitor while they were waiting for authorization and more replacement parts, it was in "kinda-sorta" working condition. When I got it back, the hard drive starts up when you press the power switch, and that's all. IBM wanted about $1800-$2K or something like that, so our homeowners insurance covered the damages and I then recieved my 701 on March 6, 1996. And to make matters more interesting, the dealer went out of business 2 weeks later. If anyone on the list live in the Pasadena/Los Angeles area, you may have heard of them: Connecting Point Computers. I guess that these incidents don't mean that I hate IBM or their service, except that it's just un-responsive sometimes, and I still do get really mad though. But I currently have 6 working IBM machines, and am getting more (older ones, that is), so I still like their quality. In many cases, it's a lot better than some of my 10 or so other clones around here (out of 16). Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 05:55:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225610516; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:55:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28789; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:54:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:54:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28696; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:54:26 -0400 Received: from dindin.sima.sintef.no (root@dindin.sima.sintef.no [129.241.146.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28685; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:54:19 -0400 Received: from dindin.sima.sintef.no (bjoerns@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dindin.sima.sintef.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23309 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:55:12 +0200 Message-Id: <199706200955.LAA23309@dindin.sima.sintef.no> To: "Thinkpad Distribution List" Subject: Re: IBM Cracked Cases In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:23:11 MDT." <199706192121.VAA35824@out1.ibm.net> X-Uri: http://www.xpilot.org/~bjoerns/ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Stabell Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= @ Home Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:55:12 +0200 Sender: bjoerns@stabell.priv.no Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John H. Kim says: [...] | > Because they keyboard expands, the case near the right LCD hinge | > is very weak. If the computer is open, it's tempting to pick it | > up by this point since you can't pick it up by the keyboard. | > Doing so will eventually crack it (mine has). [...] Tom Franklin says: | I began to worry so I checked my other Thinkpad and found a crack on th= e | hinge. The hinge had been malformed and that caused it to rub the othe= r | part of the hinge. A crack formed on one of the pieces that rubbed | together. Any idiot could see the crack was caused by the malformed hi= nge | and not by misuse. So I sent it back to IBM. Guess what, "crack =3D | misuse." It got elevated to the same idiot in management who now said = "I | warned you before . . ." My TP701c cracked just above the LED lights, probably because I picked it= up by the display one too many times, so when I opened it one day the lig= hts got crushed. IBM claimed damage through misuse for the crack and even fo= r the bad power plug I asked them to fix at the same time. Luckily I had an extra insurance on the ThinkPad so I ended up paying "only" about US$1= 00. Bye, -- = Bj=F8rn Stabell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 06:04:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226551045; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:04:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29602; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:03:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:03:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29467; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:03:12 -0400 Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29457; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:03:08 -0400 Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:51:48 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:51:48 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Reliability of TP 560? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Now that we had a lot of comments on the 701 quality I'd like to know what the long-time users of the TP560 think about the reliability of their machine. I am still looking for a replacement for my 701 but I still don't know if the 560 were a good choice. It seems to me that the larger footprint makes it more `vulnerable' in whatever bag or rucksack it happens to be in... Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 20 06:07:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA227351239; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:07:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28310; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:49:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:46:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27748; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:46:48 -0400 Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27726; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:46:42 -0400 Received: from pool050-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool050-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.200]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA15434; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706200946.CAA15434@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Peter Lewis" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 02:31:57 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Tp 701.hib Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:41:56 -0700, Peter Lewis wrote: > >In root directory c: of my TP701c is a file named Tp 701.hb that's nearly >26mb. It says it's the hibernation file. > >Is it necessary to keep this file if I never use the hibernate mode? Will >it reconstruct itself if I kill it? > >Thanks. >-- >Peter Lewis >pele@wolfenet.com > > Yeah, if you don't need it, then you can trash it. Assuming you use DOS/W95 or OS/2, you do the following to delete it: C:\>attrib tp?701.hib -r -a -s -h C:\>del tp?701.hib C:\>dir *.hib File not found That's usually how it's done. Hope that helps. And for the curious, inside the file is the name of the 701 development team members, and some other information about the machine. This is found in about the first 50K. Of course, you would rename the file to view it like: C:\>rename tp?701.hib tp701.hib Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 20 06:07:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA227401273; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:07:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28375; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:49:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:46:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27779; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:46:54 -0400 Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27746; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:46:46 -0400 Received: from pool050-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool050-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.200]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA15443; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706200946.CAA15443@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "laniear@ibm.net" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 02:38:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Merlin install Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Jun 97 13:20:13 -0800, laniear@ibm.net wrote: > >Gerry, > >I guess it is different over different machines and I also have the impression that the 701 >is even more different. > >I purposely tried my suspend yesterday by letting the machine sit. The display suspends, >and then the disk and then the CPU. It sat for over an hour with no drop in the battery >level indicator. > >Boy, you're right about the 200 MB partition for warp 4. I had been previously installing >OS/2 on 150 MB partitions. I now have a 350 MB partition for it (I installed Voice Type >and Java development). > >Lee > >> >> In-Reply-To: <199706171519.LAA001.56@AST01.ligsystems.com> >> > What kind of suspend and PCMCIA problems are you having. I installed >> Warp 4.0 on my TP >> > 701C (24 meg, 1.0 GB) using a serial port SCSI adapter connected to an >> external NEC CD-ROM. >> > On mine suspend works just fine as does my PCMCIA token ring adapter. >> >> Lee >> >> 1. the pcmcia problem appears to be a card services memory clash that is >> probably peculiar to the CD versions. So long as the diskette drive is in >> the ultrabay the ethernet card works fine, but if the cdrom drive is in >> place then my ethernet card is turned off. The solution is to >> specifically allocate shared memory for the pcmcia card and at any >> address *except* 80000. >> >> 2. suspend only turns the lcd display off, not the cpu. So the battery >> keeps draining. The only way I seem to be able to get a proper suspend is >> to shut the lid whilst on mains power, then remove the mains cord. Which >> is fine provided I don't actually want to use the thinkpad during the >> journey ..... >> >> 3. the mwave/dsp problem only affects non-US/Canada users of the internal >> dsp modem. Previously we had a separate diskette to set up the telephony >> functions; it is no longer required and will stop the modem working if >> you install it. >> >> 4. boot partition of 200Meg is not big enough to include java .....(not >> being a pentium, I did not even try to install voice-talk) .... >> >> Other than that it seems fine, and has one huge bonus over Warp Connect; >> I can now remove the ethernet card whilst the machine is running, and it >> continues running. Previously, that was an instant trap requiring reboot. >> >> Gerry >> >> Does anyone know about that problem, where the 701 won't suspend on its own using a preset option for power management? Mine suspends automatically only in Custom mode. Too bad I couldn't alter the flash BIOS image myself... Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 06:58:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233344328; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:58:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01124; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:58:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:57:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01033; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:57:44 -0400 Received: from lotus.lotus.com (lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01023; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:57:41 -0400 From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com by lotus.lotus.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id GAA21002; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:54:09 -0400 Received: from mta2.lotus.com by internet2.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14603; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:50:34 -0400 Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 852564BC.003C4F26 ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:58:44 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: hosseino@ymail.yu.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <852564BC.003BFF7E.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:56:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Audio with Mwave Solaris X86? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu According to Sun, there are no plans for drivers to support MWave.... I was trying last year to get hold of them to no avail.... -Bill hosseino@ymail.yu.edu on 06/20/97 12:25:26 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: (bcc: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus) Subject: Audio with Mwave Solaris X86? Has anyone gotten the sound to work on Solaris X86 on a thinkpad that has the Mwave DSP (such as the 755CD)? I know that the modem part of the MWAVE will not work because it needs to have the "MwaveOS" running, but I'm pretty sure that the mwave chip is register compatible with soundblaster pro which Solaris does support. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 09:08:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248582115; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:08:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07371; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:08:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:07:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07264; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:07:20 -0400 Received: from evelyn.acs.psu.edu (evelyn.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.103]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07254; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:07:15 -0400 Received: by evelyn.acs.psu.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/28Jun94-0252AM) id AA03118; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:07:16 -0400 From: Brian Katz Message-Id: <9706201307.AA03118@evelyn.acs.psu.edu> Subject: Re: 701 Hibernate To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:07:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Does anyone know about that problem, where the 701 won't suspend on >its own using a preset option for >power management? Mine suspends automatically only in Custom mode. >Too bad I couldn't alter the flash >BIOS image myself... Mine always tries to hibernate when the battery is low, but always tells me there is not enough battery power to hibernate. This is very frustrating as it means I have to pray I make it to an outlet soon... Any solutions? -Brian Katz -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 09:46:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253934414; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:46:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11657; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:46:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:45:53 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11518; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:45:50 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id JAA08665; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11255; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:44:30 -0400 Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-39.usc.edu [128.125.223.183]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id GAA25429; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970620062501.00deee34@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:44:33 -0700 To: Christoph Eyrich From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Reliability of TP 560? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:51 AM 6/20/97 +0200, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > >Now that we had a lot of comments on the 701 quality I'd like >to know what the long-time users of the TP560 think about the >reliability of their machine. > >I am still looking for a replacement for my 701 but I still >don't know if the 560 were a good choice. It seems to me that >the larger footprint makes it more `vulnerable' in whatever >bag or rucksack it happens to be in... Well, you don't want to throw it around like a football, but I think its perfectly fine. The 560 is lighter by about 1/2 pound than the 701. I consider the 701 more vulnerable than the 560, given the folding keyboard (I guess I should mention that I own both--my wife inherited the 701 when I got the 560). I have a small piece of plastic that broke off on the left hinge. Why? My own stupidity. Basically, you should treat all computers with a certain degree of care, and I had a habit of throwing this into a backpack full of other crap. I have since gotten a special backpack with a padded carring area for a notebook machine--and I really like it (no problems--its ideal). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 10:19:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258366357; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:19:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14893; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:19:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:18:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14752; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:18:03 -0400 Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14740; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:17:54 -0400 Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19755 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12167; Fri, 20 Jun 97 10:24:01 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA06003 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:24:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:23:59 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Cracked TP, etc horror stories: my version In-Reply-To: <199706200946.CAA15409@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > > And to make matters more interesting, the dealer went out of > business 2 weeks later. If anyone on the list live in the > Pasadena/Los Angeles area, you may have heard of them: > Connecting Point Computers. Just a trivial piece of nonsense, but I bought my first Thinkpad, a 750 mono, from them because they were the only folks who had them in stock and weren't charging $200-$500 *more* than MSRP. Why should that be interesting? Because Sean Chou created the original Thinkpad mailing list in response to a joke/comment I made about TP750 owners forming a support group. After a couple months of passing around lists of email addresses, Keith Moore offered to host a real mailing list at the cs.utk.edu site (thanks Keith!). Sorry to hear they're gone. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 10:32:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA260497170; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:32:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16644; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:32:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:31:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16502; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:31:53 -0400 Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16492; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:31:47 -0400 Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21865 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12376; Fri, 20 Jun 97 10:37:55 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA06025 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:37:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Computer cases (was: Reliability of TP 560?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970620062501.00deee34@scf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: > > I have a small piece of plastic that broke off on the > left hinge. Why? My own stupidity. Basically, you should > treat all computers with a certain degree of care, and I had a > habit of throwing this into a backpack full of other crap. I > have since gotten a special backpack with a padded carring > area for a notebook machine--and I really like it (no > problems--its ideal). Speaking of which, has anyone found a place that sells just the padding for a computer so you can stick it in any old backpack or book bag? I think a lightweight metal or plastic case lined with about 1/4" - 1/2" of padding on the inside would be ideal for those who don't want to buy a case that screams "notebook computer inside - steal me!" The neoprene cases (Wetsuit?) come close but are next to impossible to find and IMHO don't have enough padding. An alternative would be to buy the foam cubes used for photo gear. But neither of these provides a hard shell to protect against books and other sharp and nasty implements that reside in my book bag. :) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 10:58:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA264628694; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:58:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19339; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:57:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:57:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19236; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:56:58 -0400 Received: from mail.multisoft.com (root@mail.multisoft.com [207.15.215.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19224; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:56:53 -0400 Received: from littleboy.multisoft.com (littleboy.multisoft.com [207.15.215.160]) by mail.multisoft.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03894; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:14:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970620105634.006a5adc@pop.avana.net> X-Sender: lrj@pop.avana.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:56:34 -0400 To: John Kim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Lew Jansen Subject: Re: Computer cases (was: Reliability of TP 560?) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.32.19970620062501.00deee34@scf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A couple of thoughts -- CompAid used to sell "slipcases" which were a "case" that didn't have handles, pockets, etc. Sort of a padded envelope for your computer. I used one of these and made sure my computer was between a couple of folders in my book bad (thus protecting from sharp/cornered objects). More recently, I use a computer briefcase made by Jordan (or somesuch) that I found in CompUSA. It has a seperate area in the bag where you can put a smaller computer case. I use one of the Targa "compact" cases -- it's sized to hold my TP760CD and nothing else. I put it in the briefcase and everything's fine. Another option, perhaps better for you, is to go to a good camera/video store -- preferably one that caters to the mid/high end amateur or professional. You can buy plastic cases which are lined with foam -- you remove the pre-cut foam blocks such that your equipment fits snugly. (These are also advertised in video & photo magazines.) Good luck! -- Lew Jansen At 10:37 AM 6/20/97 -0400, John Kim wrote: >Speaking of which, has anyone found a place that sells just the >padding for a computer so you can stick it in any old backpack >or book bag? I think a lightweight metal or plastic case lined >with about 1/4" - 1/2" of padding on the inside would be ideal >for those who don't want to buy a case that screams "notebook >computer inside - steal me!" > >The neoprene cases (Wetsuit?) come close but are next to >impossible to find and IMHO don't have enough padding. An >alternative would be to buy the foam cubes used for photo gear. >But neither of these provides a hard shell to protect against >books and other sharp and nasty implements that reside in my >book bag. :) >-- >John H. Kim >kim@mak.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lrj@avana.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 11:26:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA269490369; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:26:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21662; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:25:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:22:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20879; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:22:12 -0400 Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20859; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:22:00 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id IAA06894; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hi-av2.cadence.com(158.140.128.32) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma866820117.006890; Fri Jun 20 08:21:57 1997 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (sj4a-33.cadence.com [158.140.31.43]) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20377; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706201516.IAA20377@mailhub.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Lew Jansen From: Don Perley Subject: Re: Computer cases (was: Reliability of TP 560?) Cc: John Kim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:56 AM 6/20/97 -0400, Lew Jansen wrote: > >A couple of thoughts -- CompAid used to sell "slipcases" which were a >"case" that didn't have handles, pockets, etc. Sort of a padded envelope >for your computer. FOr that matter you can buy from an office supply store, and probably the post office, just that: a padded envelope lined with bubble wrap. Not infinitely durable, but probably better protection than a thin neoprene wrap. -DOn Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 11:50:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA273631818; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:50:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23530; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:46:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:45:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23417; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:45:18 -0400 Received: from mail.multisoft.com (root@mail.multisoft.com [207.15.215.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23407; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:45:14 -0400 Received: from littleboy.multisoft.com (littleboy.multisoft.com [207.15.215.160]) by mail.multisoft.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03954; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:57:24 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970620113913.006a9664@pop.avana.net> X-Sender: lrj@pop.avana.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:39:13 -0400 To: Don Perley From: Lew Jansen Subject: Re: Computer cases (was: Reliability of TP 560?) Cc: John Kim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706201516.IAA20377@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I should probably clarify -- Think of something like cereal box but made from sewn together nylon-covered closed-cell-foam panels like the lining or dividers you find in most computer cases. They're more of a "box" with six sides rather than a flat envelope with two sides. I don't know if CompAid still makes 'em or even exists -- I deal with 'em a couple years ago and don't have any contact info anymore. -- Lew At 08:16 AM 6/20/97 -0700, Don Perley wrote: >FOr that matter you can buy from an office supply store, and probably the >post office, just that: a padded envelope lined with bubble wrap. >Not infinitely durable, but probably better protection than a thin neoprene >wrap. > >-DOn Perley >perley@cadence.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lrj@avana.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 11:51:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA273911912; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:51:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23760; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:47:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:46:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23618; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:46:50 -0400 Received: from passnotes.share.org ([192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23577; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:46:42 -0400 From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 862564BC.0056AEC0 ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:46:48 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <862564BC.004890DE.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:51:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Reliability of TP 560? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I ordered mine the day it was announced (the 120Mhz 810MB 12.1TFT version). A year later, the only problems experienced was a flaky hard drive and a systemboard error. Easyserve replaced both on separate occasions with quick 2 day turnaround. Well, actually, the first time, they held it an extra day to replace a cracked hinge (I didnt notice it, but they called to get my ok first). They even replaced a screw for the memory cover that I had lost. All for free. I carry my TP560 around quite a bit. My business relies on it. Stay away from locally authorized repair places. They rarely have the parts and expertise. (A TP500 took over a month to fix! Too many excuses.) Rich Chong eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de on 06-20-97 04:51:48 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: (bcc: Rich Chong/SHARE Inc) Subject: Reliability of TP 560? Now that we had a lot of comments on the 701 quality I'd like to know what the long-time users of the TP560 think about the reliability of their machine. I am still looking for a replacement for my 701 but I still don't know if the 560 were a good choice. It seems to me that the larger footprint makes it more `vulnerable' in whatever bag or rucksack it happens to be in... Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 12:00:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275842458; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:00:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25040; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:00:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:59:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24920; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:59:30 -0400 Received: from aus-c.mp.campus.mci.net (aus-c.mp.campus.mci.net [208.140.84.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24878; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:59:22 -0400 From: Received: from 701c (s02-pm08.tnstate.campus.mci.net [206.151.214.121]) by aus-c.mp.campus.mci.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20745 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <33AAA824.15@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:56:20 -0500 Reply-To: tdwis@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tp 701.hib References: <199706200946.CAA15434@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Yeah, if you don't need it, then you can trash it. Assuming you use > DOS/W95 or OS/2, you do the following to delete it: > > C:\>attrib tp?701.hib -r -a -s -h > > C:\>del tp?701.hib > > C:\>dir *.hib > File not found Maybe this works, but the most direct way to permanently eliminate the hibernate file is to go to page 4 of the Configuration Utility (Fn+F1) and set "Enable Hibernate Mode" to [No]. By the way, if I'd received the kind of treatment from IBM that some have described in the "Cracked Case" thread, I'd no longer be hanging around as an IBM customer. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 16:57:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024060248; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:57:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15577; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:51:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:47:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15135; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:47:07 -0400 Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15116; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:47:00 -0400 Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04164 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16000; Fri, 20 Jun 97 15:49:11 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA01684 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:49:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:49:09 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Computer cases (was: Reliability of TP 560?) (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: > I think a lightweight metal or plastic case lined > with about 1/4" - 1/2" of padding on the inside would be ideal > for those who don't want to buy a case that screams "notebook > computer inside - steal me!" While searching the web for various cases, I thought I'd try the folks who make my book bag - Eagle Creek. Looks like I've answered my own question: http://www.eaglecreek.com/briefshoulder.html The computer insert at the bottom looks interesting... -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 17:01:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024660501; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:01:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16202; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:55:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:54:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15936; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:53:59 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15901; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:53:52 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA10366; Fri, 20 Jun 97 10:53:52 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA05178; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:54:48 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706202054.KAA05178@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Computer cases (was: Reliability of TP 560?) To: kim@mak.com (John Kim) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 10:54:46 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "John Kim" at Jun 20, 97 10:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Speaking of which, has anyone found a place that sells just the > padding for a computer so you can stick it in any old backpack > or book bag? > The neoprene cases (Wetsuit?) come close but are next to > impossible to find and IMHO don't have enough padding. Not so hard - I just bought one for my TP560. I used one for a year with my 701, and it provided lots of protection (even for the occasional short drop) - the metal plate over the screen helps, I think. (BTW, I still have my 701-sized wetsuit, but not the 701, so I'm willing to sell the case, cheap!) Zing Designs also makes a line of neoprene cases, and sells direct. (For a while they had a handle-less version of this, big enough for a 701, on their website for a really low clearance price.) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 20 17:09:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA026010952; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:09:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17093; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:03:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:02:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16903; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:02:08 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16873; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:02:02 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA10391; Fri, 20 Jun 97 11:02:01 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA05238; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:02:57 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706202102.LAA05238@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 701 Overall Quality To: bjoern@stabell.priv.no Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 11:02:56 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706191049.MAA19345@dindin>; from "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Stabell" at Jun 19, 97 12:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Actually, I seem to recall the 701 held high as an example of how to > do product development; at least it was on time. Perhaps the > quality wasn't as good? I didn't mean to imply that the 701 wasn't good in *design*; it was clearly better thought-through than any other laptop I've seen. However, design and manufacture are two different things. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 21 15:42:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185512144; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:42:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15121; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:41:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:39:25 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14926; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:39:24 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA00478; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate32 (mailgate32-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11632; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 14:01:15 -0400 Received: by mailgate32 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA27883; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:00:44 -0700 Received: from sdn-ts-001caconcp04.dialsprint.net(206.133.194.23) by mailfep4-hme1 via smap (KC5.24) id Q_10.1.1.10/Q_16218_1_33ac16c9; Sat Jun 21 11:00:41 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970621110035.00c85e04@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: geige@pop.slip.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:00:43 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: Processor Upgrade question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm new to this list. I've got a 701CS, 24 MB RAM, often have an extra modem, Shark Avatar drive, tape drive, printer and external monitor hooked up. I've got two questions, the second of which I'll put in another message. Here goes: I'm thinking of getting a processor upgrade from Evergreen Technologies. They'll put an AMD 586-133 in the machine for about $400. I've found out that the chip itself only costs about $40. I still think if the upgrade will boost my good old 701 to a pentium level of performance, the cost is worth it. [If you'd like to see what I've found out so far: the original article is at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/chronicle/article.cgi?file=BU18466.DTL&directo ry=/chronicle/archive/1997/06/17 Evergreen's web page is http://www.evertech.com some good info is at http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu ] I'd like to know if anyone has any opinions on this and info on other vendors who might offer a similar service. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California NEW>> Primary Email: geige@usa.net NEW>> My homepage: hepster.phy.uic.edu/~geige (last revision: 1/2/97) PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 21 15:43:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185612183; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:43:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15313; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:42:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:40:51 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15028; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:40:50 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA00491; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate31 (mailgate31-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11634; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 14:01:16 -0400 Received: by mailgate31 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA29057; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:00:45 -0700 Received: from sdn-ts-001caconcp04.dialsprint.net(206.133.194.23) by mailfep4-hme1 via smap (KC5.24) id Q_10.1.1.10/Q_16218_3_33ac16cc; Sat Jun 21 11:00:44 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970621105754.00c8529c@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: geige@pop.slip.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:00:45 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: 2 cards in PC slots? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recently bought a Shark Avatar with a PC Card cable, which I think is possible. The problem I've run into is that if the MultiPort is on the back of the computer, a PCMCIA modem in the other slot, the computer won't read the drive card in the first slot. I've called Shark about this and while concerned about it, can't figure it out. IBM doesn't know for sure, but thinks it may be a problem of resources. Has anyone noticed this or a similar problem, or better yet, have a workaround? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California NEW>> Primary Email: geige@usa.net NEW>> My homepage: hepster.phy.uic.edu/~geige (last revision: 1/2/97) PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 21 21:20:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222982407; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:20:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00278; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:19:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:16:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00112; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:16:55 -0400 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00102; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:16:52 -0400 Received: from stevez1 (slip129-37-113-126.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.113.126]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA163366 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:16:52 GMT Message-Id: <33AC7CFC.20AA@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:16:44 -0400 From: stevez1 Reply-To: stevez1@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760ED and Mwave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On occassion, Windows 95 locks up with an error message from Mwave, when using the modem. I also noticed that Mwave exe's which are loaded when using the modem are 16 bit - not 32 bit. Finally, I have noticed that when using the internal modem with mwave, the Window sounds are delayed and extended; I actually turn off the Window sounds before using the modem now to stop the sound delay. My question is - is there ways to improve mwave performance and reliability, such as updating to 32 bit drivers? -- Steven R. Zuch Cogent Management Inc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 01:49:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251878544; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:49:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10143; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:48:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09963; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:46:43 -0400 Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09953; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:46:39 -0400 Received: from ericgile (port12.netpathway.com [208.137.139.27]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA14046 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 00:46:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199706220546.AAA14046@sammy.netpathway.com> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: 760ED and Mwave Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 00:42:25 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have quietly complained about these problems for some time myself (especially the delay with sounds in Windows). I have not noticed that the Mwave drivers are 16 bit, though. I have numerous lock-ups with the Mwave drivers when trying to shut down Win95 also. Although the Mwave system does provide some neat features with only one DSP processor in my 760ED, I would still prefer seperate sound and modem chips like my 701c has. Any other comments or suggestions on this? Just my .02 worth... Eric Giles ---------- > From: stevez1 > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 760ED and Mwave > Date: Saturday, June 21, 1997 8:16 PM > > On occassion, Windows 95 locks up with an error message from > Mwave, when using the modem. I also noticed that Mwave exe's > which are loaded when using the modem are 16 bit - not 32 bit. > Finally, I have noticed that when using the internal modem with > mwave, the Window sounds are delayed and extended; I actually > turn off the Window sounds before using the modem now to stop > the sound delay. > > My question is - is there ways to improve mwave performance and > reliability, such as updating to 32 bit drivers? > > > -- > Steven R. Zuch > Cogent Management Inc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 02:16:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257310173; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:16:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10875; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:15:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:13:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10757; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:13:48 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10746; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:13:43 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:13:44 +0200 Received: by rheo-port.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7EB1.E7173420@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu>; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:13:41 -0400 Message-Id: <01BC7EB1.E7173420@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> From: axel hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Clone Win95 to new HD Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:13:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi there, i do remember this question being asked a couple of times before, but all my literature and references to the problem are floating on the atlantic ocean, and i won't get them for a few weeks... (i'm moving to the states from germany, if it sounds wild...) i have just been santa-claused with a 540MB harddrive, which is a noticable improvement over the 340 i've got. i have also just spent a whole afternoon trying to clone my win95- setup to the new drive. (it was too muggy outside, and the office is airconditioned, so it wasn't all that bad) what is the proper way to do this? i want to avoid setting everything up again. i have pcmcia-ethernet and enough server-space. i also have a parallel-port zip-drive, which takes i've sat through 3 transfers of 300MB, and i'm _not_ thrilled. problems, just to recap: 1) copying under dos or dos-mode i lose the long filenames, but get registry and such. the longfilename utility botched it for some reason, the new short names didn't work out right - what should have been ~1 was ~2 and so on. also it seemed to need a working w95 - go figure. 2) copying over the net saves long filenames, but i need the w95 system up and running to support the network, not? that i can get with the zip-drive, but then how do i get rid of the temporarily installed w95? or can i copy the network-saved system over the running w95? maybe a second partition? but i don't want to partition a 540MB drive - it's not _that_ large... i do want to mention though that these are the first such problems i've had with w95; normally i'm quite satisfied. i may also just live with the small hard drive and use the new, improved one for linux. soon. good night, axel ...................................................................... Axel Hartmann . Paper (until : Am Bach 8; 51427 Berg. Gladbach; Germany . Voice June 11): [0|xx49] 2204 - 66148 . E-Mail (valid!): Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . ...................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 02:34:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259561276; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:34:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11698; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:33:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:32:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11567; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:32:02 -0400 Received: from mail1.halcyon.com (mail1.halcyon.com [206.63.63.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11557; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:31:57 -0400 From: Received: from karensw.halcyon.com (evt-lx100-ip13.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.13]) by mail1.halcyon.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA30680; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 23:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970621233151.006a7910@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: karensw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 23:31:51 -0700 To: axel hartmann , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Clone Win95 to new HD In-Reply-To: <01BC7EB1.E7173420@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:13 AM 6/22/97 -0400, axel hartmann wrote: >hi there, > >i do remember this question being asked a couple of times before, >but all my literature and references to the problem are floating >on the atlantic ocean, and i won't get them for a few weeks... >(i'm moving to the states from germany, if it sounds wild...) > >i have just been santa-claused with a 540MB harddrive, which is >a noticable improvement over the 340 i've got. >i have also just spent a whole afternoon trying to clone my win95- >setup to the new drive. (it was too muggy outside, and the office >is airconditioned, so it wasn't all that bad) > >what is the proper way to do this? i want to avoid setting >everything up again. i have pcmcia-ethernet and enough server-space. >i also have a parallel-port zip-drive, which takes i've sat through >3 transfers of 300MB, and i'm _not_ thrilled. > deleted >good night, > >axel > > > Axel, Powerquest, the makers of Partition Magic has a new program out called Copy Disk (or something very similar). I've not personally used it, but have used PM which is an excellent program. I'm betting their new product is the same high quality. Karen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 03:25:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA265664331; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:25:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14435; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:24:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:22:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14182; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:22:39 -0400 Received: from mail.oasis-net.co.uk (mail.oasis-net.co.uk [194.176.140.194]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14172; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:22:32 -0400 Received: from barry (sis-mod13.oasis-net.co.uk [194.176.140.242]) by mail.oasis-net.co.uk (2.0 Build 2111 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA00792 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:22:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199706220722.IAA00792@mail.oasis-net.co.uk> From: "Barry Fox" To: Subject: Thinkpad 360cse Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:25:55 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Help!, I recently bought a secondhand 360cse...all seemed to be fine until I decided to format c: and install Winnt.. Now it will not load Dos or NT and keeps crashing......is there something I don't know about the model......any special software? Thanks in advance for any help, Barry Fox From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 09:29:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA002756183; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:29:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28748; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:28:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:25:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28498; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:25:52 -0400 Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28475; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:25:48 -0400 Received: from tomcat133 (ip214.princeton.nj.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.56.214]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12872 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970622092520.00781230@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: dspeed@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:25:20 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dave Speed Subject: Thinkpad Prices Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been watching 760 prices. I have found the 760 ED for $4099. Then I saw the latest Computer Shopper: NWCD (NEW WORLD COMPUTERS DIRECT) 120 MCGAW DRIVE, EDISON, NJ 08837 800.655.6923 908.417.9717 VOICE 908.417.9534 FAX They advertise: 760xl $4499 760ed$2999 *** 16/2.1/800x600 TFT disp/ 6x cd/28.8 mwave modem/pci/hardware mpeg etc Their web site [ www.nwcd.com ] has the 760 EL for $4399 A quick search of DejaNews shows that they tend to follow the "NYC Camera Shop" model of customer intimidation (I mean relations) and that they do deal in some "refurbished" merchandise. However, I found little outright damnation, which is pretty good for net news ... What do you think ? Is a refurbished ED worth $3000 ? Would it have a 3 yr warranty ? Dave From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 11:51:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018834702; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:51:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04822; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:50:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:47:52 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAB04520; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:47:51 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id LAA04951; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03146; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:10:03 -0400 Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-64.usc.edu [128.125.223.208]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id IAA22541; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970622080750.00e7f760@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:10:04 -0700 To: From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Clone Win95 to new HD Cc: axel hartmann , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:31 PM 6/21/97 -0700, karensw@halcyon.com wrote: >At 02:13 AM 6/22/97 -0400, axel hartmann wrote: >>hi there, >> >>i do remember this question being asked a couple of times before, >>but all my literature and references to the problem are floating >>on the atlantic ocean, and i won't get them for a few weeks... >>(i'm moving to the states from germany, if it sounds wild...) >> >>i have just been santa-claused with a 540MB harddrive, which is >>a noticable improvement over the 340 i've got. >>i have also just spent a whole afternoon trying to clone my win95- >>setup to the new drive. (it was too muggy outside, and the office >>is airconditioned, so it wasn't all that bad) >> >>what is the proper way to do this? i want to avoid setting >>everything up again. i have pcmcia-ethernet and enough server-space. >>i also have a parallel-port zip-drive, which takes i've sat through >>3 transfers of 300MB, and i'm _not_ thrilled. >> > >deleted > >>good night, >> >>axel >> >> >> > >Axel, > >Powerquest, the makers of Partition Magic has a new program out called Copy >Disk (or something very similar). I've not personally used it, but have >used PM which is an excellent program. I'm betting their new product is the >same high quality. > >Karen I'm not going to dig up old posts, but I *have* personally used "Disk Copy" by PowerQuest and highly recommend it. If you have access to desktop machine that you can put two HD's into to run Disk Copy, you can do in 15 minutes what you've been wasting hours upon hours screwing around with. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 11:51:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018874705; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:51:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04824; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:50:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:46:26 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04452; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:46:25 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id LAA04941; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03144; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:10:01 -0400 Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-64.usc.edu [128.125.223.208]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id IAA22544; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970622080958.00e83554@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:10:06 -0700 To: Dave Speed From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad Prices Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:25 AM 6/22/97 -0400, Dave Speed wrote: > >I've been watching 760 prices. > >I have found the 760 ED for $4099. > >Then I saw the latest Computer Shopper: > >NWCD (NEW WORLD COMPUTERS DIRECT) > 120 MCGAW DRIVE, EDISON, NJ 08837 > > 800.655.6923 > 908.417.9717 VOICE > 908.417.9534 FAX > >They advertise: > >760xl $4499 >760ed$2999 *** 16/2.1/800x600 TFT disp/ 6x cd/28.8 mwave modem/pci/hardware >mpeg etc > >Their web site [ www.nwcd.com ] has the 760 EL for $4399 > >A quick search of DejaNews shows that they tend to follow the "NYC Camera >Shop" model of customer intimidation (I mean relations) and that they do >deal in some "refurbished" merchandise. However, I found little outright >damnation, which is pretty good for net news ... > >What do you think ? Is a refurbished ED worth $3000 ? Would it have a 3 yr >warranty ? You'd be better off buying out of the classified. I would never purchase from a place with a demonstrable on-line semi-negative reputation. The good ones don't have the kind of rep you just described. Purchasing from such a place is simply setting yourself up for a lot of pain & disappointment. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 13:24:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029480297; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:24:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09383; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:23:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:22:42 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09237; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:22:41 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA05243; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05750; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:01:16 -0400 Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-239-82.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.239.82]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA48730; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 16:01:14 GMT Message-Id: <199706221601.QAA48730@out1.ibm.net> From: "Tom Franklin" To: , "Dave Speed" Subject: Re: Thinkpad Prices Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:57:32 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try the bargain basement at www.cdw.com I thought I saw similar prices and they are more reputable. ---------- > They advertise: > > 760xl $4499 > 760ed$2999 *** 16/2.1/800x600 TFT disp/ 6x cd/28.8 mwave modem/pci/hardware > mpeg etc > > Their web site [ www.nwcd.com ] has the 760 EL for $4399 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 13:25:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029550306; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:25:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09431; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:24:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:22:50 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09260; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:22:49 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA05255; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08665; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:09:10 -0400 Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-239-198.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.239.198]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA61108; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:09:07 GMT Message-Id: <199706221709.RAA61108@out1.ibm.net> From: "Tom Franklin" To: , Subject: Re: 760ED and Mwave Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:10:23 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had a TP760ED machine that had MWave and I got rid of it and bought a TP760EL that had the ESS sound chip. I found that the machine was much faster. Everytime the MWave goes to play a sound, the machine slows. Additionally, the MWave takes up additional memory. Besides, it appears they are not going to upgrade the modem to do 56.6 Kbps. I think IBM should dump the MWave DSP. I won't buy another Thinkpad that has it in there. ---------- > On occassion, Windows 95 locks up with an error message from > Mwave, when using the modem. I also noticed that Mwave exe's > which are loaded when using the modem are 16 bit - not 32 bit. > Finally, I have noticed that when using the internal modem with > mwave, the Window sounds are delayed and extended; I actually > turn off the Window sounds before using the modem now to stop > the sound delay. > > My question is - is there ways to improve mwave performance and > reliability, such as updating to 32 bit drivers? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 13:33:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030160783; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:33:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10095; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:32:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:31:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10023; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:31:50 -0400 Received: from ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10013; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:31:46 -0400 Received: from cc596617-a.RDC1.NJ.HOME.COM ([24.3.133.2]) by ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA18722 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:31:48 -0700 Message-Id: <33AD617C.A24B730C@home.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:31:40 -0400 From: Michael Bernstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED and Mwave X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706220546.AAA14046@sammy.netpathway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu One little tip regarding the sound delays with the Mwave--if you need multimedia, try conecting at 14,400 BPS instead of 28.8. I have noticed that when I have done this, not only do I have no delay with WAV sounds, but I get MIDI as well. With 28.8 you get no MIDI due to the amount of free resources in the DSP chip. That brings me to a question. Wouldn't WAV files take up more resources than MIDI? If so, why is it MIDI and not WAV that can be played at 28.8? --Mike Eric Giles wrote: > > I have quietly complained about these problems for some time myself > (especially the delay with sounds in Windows). I have not noticed that > the > Mwave drivers are 16 bit, though. I have numerous lock-ups with the > Mwave > drivers when trying to shut down Win95 also. Although the Mwave system > does > provide some neat features with only one DSP processor in my 760ED, I > would > still prefer seperate sound and modem chips like my 701c has. Any > other > comments or suggestions on this? > > Just my .02 worth... > > Eric Giles > > ---------- > > From: stevez1 > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: 760ED and Mwave > > Date: Saturday, June 21, 1997 8:16 PM > > > > On occassion, Windows 95 locks up with an error message from > > Mwave, when using the modem. I also noticed that Mwave exe's > > which are loaded when using the modem are 16 bit - not 32 bit. > > Finally, I have noticed that when using the internal modem with > > mwave, the Window sounds are delayed and extended; I actually > > turn off the Window sounds before using the modem now to stop > > the sound delay. > > > > My question is - is there ways to improve mwave performance and > > reliability, such as updating to 32 bit drivers? > > > > > > -- > > Steven R. Zuch > > Cogent Management Inc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 13:46:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031841608; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:46:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10795; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:46:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:45:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10709; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:45:42 -0400 Received: from mail.ptd.net (srv1.ptd.net [204.186.0.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10699; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:45:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199706221745.NAA10699@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 15271 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1997 17:45:37 -0000 Received: from cable019054.cable.eph.ptd.net (204.186.19.54) by srv1.ptd.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 1997 17:45:37 -0000 From: "Robt. Miller" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 22 Jun 97 13:45:36 Reply-To: "Robt. Miller" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu UNSUBSCRIBE for live chat.. netchat 204.186.19.54 or talk robtmil@cable019054.cable.eph.ptd.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 15:17:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041527047; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:17:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16034; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:16:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:15:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15935; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:15:27 -0400 Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15925; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:15:22 -0400 Received: from fsb (port13.netpathway.com [208.137.139.28]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16687 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:15:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199706221915.OAA16687@sammy.netpathway.com> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: Thinkpad Prices Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:04:19 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A recent Tiger Direct sales brochure has the 760ED 9546-U3A (1.2 G, 4X CD-ROM, 12.1 SVGA) listed new at $3499. Their web site is: http://www.tigerdirect.com/Tiger_laptops_ibm.htm But it looks like the prices on their web site haven't been updated to reflect this. I have ordered things like software from them before, but I understand that their return policy is not that great. But this is a good price for the unit. Eric Giles ---------- > From: Dave Speed > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Thinkpad Prices > Date: Sunday, June 22, 1997 8:25 AM > > > I've been watching 760 prices. > > I have found the 760 ED for $4099. > > Then I saw the latest Computer Shopper: > > NWCD (NEW WORLD COMPUTERS DIRECT) > 120 MCGAW DRIVE, EDISON, NJ 08837 > > 800.655.6923 > 908.417.9717 VOICE > 908.417.9534 FAX > > They advertise: > > 760xl $4499 > 760ed$2999 *** 16/2.1/800x600 TFT disp/ 6x cd/28.8 mwave modem/pci/hardware > mpeg etc > > Their web site [ www.nwcd.com ] has the 760 EL for $4399 > > A quick search of DejaNews shows that they tend to follow the "NYC Camera > Shop" model of customer intimidation (I mean relations) and that they do > deal in some "refurbished" merchandise. However, I found little outright > damnation, which is pretty good for net news ... > > What do you think ? Is a refurbished ED worth $3000 ? Would it have a 3 yr > warranty ? > > Dave > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 22 19:17:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067611470; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 19:17:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01987; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 19:17:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Jun 1997 19:15:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01839; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 19:15:51 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01829; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 19:15:45 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA06322; Sun, 22 Jun 97 13:15:43 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA11688; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:16:38 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706222316.NAA11688@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Thinkpad Prices To: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 97 13:16:37 HST Cc: dspeed@mindspring.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970622080958.00e83554@scf.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Jun 22, 97 8:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Last time I looked, there were a couple of TP760ed (and other models) in the 'bargain basement' section of the CDW web site (www.cdw.com, click on 'specials', then click on 'bargain basement') for a pretty god price. CDW is much less 'fly by night' than most Computer Shopper advertisers; I've bought lots of stuff from them. - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 23 09:48:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA157433734; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:48:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19797; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:48:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:42:08 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19255; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:42:06 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id JAA10880; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16943; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 01:18:38 -0400 Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-239-84.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.239.84]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA64938; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 05:18:27 GMT Message-Id: <199706230518.FAA64938@out2.ibm.net> From: "Tom Franklin" To: Cc: "Thinkpad Distribution List" Subject: Re: 760ED and Mwave Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:19:25 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If I were stuck with a MWave machine, I would only have the DSP handle sound and MIDI. I would buy a separate PCMCIA 56.6 modem and uninstall the MWave modem. It would still be slower when playing sound, but at least you would get the 56.6 and be able to hear MIDI while online. ---------- > > I had a TP760ED machine that had MWave and I got rid of it and bought a > > TP760EL that had the ESS sound chip. I found that the machine was much > > faster. Everytime the MWave goes to play a sound, the machine slows. > > Additionally, the MWave takes up additional memory. > > Except for shelling out another $5,000 or so, is there anyway that you > know of to replace mwave on the 760ED? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 23 11:28:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171249723; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:28:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27216; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:27:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:22:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26882; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:22:34 -0400 Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (root@mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26864; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:22:26 -0400 Received: from bacrana-34.mdm.mke.execpc.com (bacrana-34.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.66.38]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA07103; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:22:12 -0500 From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: axel hartmann Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Clone Win95 to new HD Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:22:47 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <33af941a.6856614@mailgate.execpc.com> References: <01BC7EB1.E7173420@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> In-Reply-To: <01BC7EB1.E7173420@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:13:39 -0400, you wrote: >hi there, > >i do remember this question being asked a couple of times before, >but all my literature and references to the problem are floating >on the atlantic ocean, and i won't get them for a few weeks... >(i'm moving to the states from germany, if it sounds wild...) > >i have just been santa-claused with a 540MB harddrive, which is >a noticable improvement over the 340 i've got.=20 >i have also just spent a whole afternoon trying to clone my win95- >setup to the new drive. (it was too muggy outside, and the office=20 >is airconditioned, so it wasn't all that bad) > >what is the proper way to do this? i want to avoid setting=20 >everything up again. i have pcmcia-ethernet and enough server-space. >i also have a parallel-port zip-drive, which takes i've sat through >3 transfers of 300MB, and i'm _not_ thrilled. > >problems, just to recap: >1) copying under dos or dos-mode i lose the long filenames, but >get registry and such.=20 >the longfilename utility botched it for some reason, the new short >names didn't work out right - what should have been ~1 was ~2 and >so on. also it seemed to need a working w95 - go figure. >2) copying over the net saves long filenames, but i need the w95 >system up and running to support the network, not? that i can get >with the zip-drive, but then how do i get rid of the temporarily >installed w95? or can i copy the network-saved system over the=20 >running w95? >maybe a second partition? but i don't want to partition a 540MB >drive - it's not _that_ large... > >i do want to mention though that these are the first such problems >i've had with w95; normally i'm quite satisfied. > >i may also just live with the small hard drive and use the new, improved >one for linux. soon. > >good night, > >axel Axel, Go to http://www.ghostsoft.com and download the 30-day trial of Ghost, a product for copying off OS/2, Win95, or WinNT setups. It is quickly becoming the standard for use by network administrators (like myself). We own a licensed copy for 25 workstations and will be buying more as more people go to Windows 95. Caveat: The demo version (1.69) doesn't handle Windows NT too well. The licensed version (2.22) does. I have had no problems with it. You can use it through LPT ports (haven't tried it yet), or from PC to server and back. =20 Give it a shot. Good luck. Regards, Tom Kustner Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation =20 System/LAN Administrator Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay Corp. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 24 11:16:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA069525364; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:16:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20391; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:14:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:12:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20053; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:12:38 -0400 Received: from baker.vnw.com (baker.vnw.com [192.220.175.88]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20023; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:12:28 -0400 Received: by baker.vnw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:13:44 -0700 Message-Id: <103BEF1175D2D011B83400A0C903EE96062EFA@hurricane.vnw.com> From: Stephen Gutknecht To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Insight has the IBM 14.4modem/Ethernet adapter for $26 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:13:06 -0700 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I got this in my Insight specials last night... offers is only good. I know some were looking for these. I also suggest carrying a 14.4 model if you ever have troubles getting connected at 28.8 speeds (in a lot of cases, the modems drop before they negotiate higher speeds --- you just can't get connected). the http://www.insight.com/deal/ WWW page has further information... > America's discount source for computers, hardware and software > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Offer ends 11:59pm (Pacific Time) Wednesday, June 25, 1997. > For more information, see the Web or contact a representative: > *** http://www.insight.com/deal *** > IBM Network/Modem Combo PCMCIA Adapter $25.99 > Simultaneous 14.4Kbps data/fax modem & 10Base-T Ethernet > Operatins for multi-tasking, Cellular-capable (cable not > included), Comes with data/fax software, Win95 drivers and > Novell Universal Client software > 5 year mfr's warranty Product Code: IB10H4707 Stephen Gutknecht mailto:SGutknecht@i405.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 24 16:04:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117232679; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:04:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10338; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:03:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:55:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09770; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:55:31 -0400 Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (unIDENTified@Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09757; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:55:27 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-7 #9830) id <01IKG903D6749M8W23@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:55:20 MST Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:46:09 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 760ED and Mwave In-Reply-To: "Message dated Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:10:23 -0600" <199706221709.RAA61108@out1.ibm.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IKG9K96EIQ9M8W23@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I had a TP760ED machine that had MWave and I got rid of it and bought a > TP760EL that had the ESS sound chip. I found that the machine was much > faster. Everytime the MWave goes to play a sound, the machine slows. > Additionally, the MWave takes up additional memory. My impression after many years working on PDP-11s where this is a way of life is an overlay (new code in memory) has to be loaded to do sound after the modem is running, connected and talking to something. I see the disk activity LED flash, then about 2-3 secs later the terminal bell rings. After that it's much quicker.. Maybe IBM should preload it or something like that..?? > Besides, it appears they are not going to upgrade the modem to do 56.6 > Kbps. I think IBM should dump the MWave DSP. I won't buy another Thinkpad > that has it in there. Or use a much faster part. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 24 16:20:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119573610; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:20:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11902; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:19:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:15:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11580; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:15:51 -0400 Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11568; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:15:38 -0400 Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA31114 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:03:12 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC80B9.EED23570@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:16:12 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: axel hartmann , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Bill Pratt Subject: RE: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:13:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 52 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Alas, Damark won't ship to Canada (and I suspect the rest of the world.....) Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Bill Pratt[SMTP:billp117@isomedia.com] Sent: 1997 June 16 - Monday 11:36 To: axel hartmann; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet Damark's number is 1-800-729-9000. This is the IBM model card 14.4/Ethernet combo I think. Go to the IBM WEB site for information. Bill Pratt, Bellevue, WA (STOC#117) "No matter where you go...there you are!" Email - billp117@isomedia.com Homepage - http://www.isomedia.com/homes/billp117 ---------- > From: axel hartmann > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 'Bill Pratt' > Subject: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet > Date: Sunday, June 15, 1997 4:31 PM > > Do you have a Website/Phone#/etc. ? I'm interested! > Also, does anyone know whether it supports both UTP and BNC Ethernet? > > greets, > > axel > > On Saturday, June 14, 1997 16:13, Bill Pratt[SMTP:billp117@isomedia.com] wrote: > >Damark sells them for $39. > [...] > >> Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? > [...] > >> Yep, its the IBM Home & away Modme/Ethernet adapter. > [...] > > > ...................................................................... > Axel Hartmann . > Paper (until : Am Bach 8; 51427 Berg. Gladbach; Germany . > Voice June 11): [0|xx49] 2204 - 66148 . > E-Mail (valid!): Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . > Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . > ...................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 25 11:01:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA262100915; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:01:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20624; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:01:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:58:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20361; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:58:33 -0400 Received: from wtalkmke.corp.mei.com (wtalkmke.corp.mei.com [151.186.47.180]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20344; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:58:22 -0400 From: Received: by wtalkmke.corp.mei.com (1.40.112.8/16.2-WT4.1) id AA290890996; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:03:16 -0500 Received: by ATTMAIL; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:30:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:30:39 -0500 Subject: TP 380 quirk with RAM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <"970625150239Z.WT29069. 1*/PN=Nick.Rushizky/O=LNGW/PRMD=MEI/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/"@MHS> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Let me reintroduce myself to the list.. and then I'll start my whine o' the day. I support about 250 sales guys and their laptops, and I'm now trying to standardize on the new 380 (after a brief and disastrous flirtation with Toshiba). So far, so good.. it's got some things that I like better than the older 760 E that I had. One thing is making people call and ask questions.. The ones I have (380 D's) come with 16 M RAM onboard. I bump it to 32 with a Kingston 16 M DIMM, since RAM is still fairly cheap. However, in this configuration, they all read as having just 28 M of RAM! Not the 32 that my math comes up to. Any ideas? I know these things are new to us all, but I'd like to see if there's a logical or at least consistent pattern to this. Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 25 13:49:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289060979; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:49:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02571; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:48:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:47:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02406; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:47:21 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.altabates.com (gatekeeper.altabates.com [198.217.113.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02396; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:47:16 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.altabates.com; id KAA17076; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.altabates.com(10.1.0.5) by gatekeeper.altabates.com via smap (V3.1) id xma017055; Wed, 25 Jun 97 10:42:05 -0700 Received: from ccMail by iegate.altabates.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 3B158370; Wed, 25 Jun 97 10:41:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:42:23 -0700 Message-Id: <3B158370.@altabates.com> From: Ron_Yee@altabates.com (Ron Yee) Subject: Stacker vs. SuperStor/DS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm relatively new to PC's, and have a general question about data compression: I have a 701C running PC-DOS 6.22/Win 3/1, and I've almost filled the small (340mg) HD. SuperStor/DS is on the drive, but not yet installed. I can pick up a copy of Stacker 3.1 for next to nothing at a local store. What are the functional differences between Stacker and SuperStor/DS, especially regarding processor overhead and slowdown? I know that the degree of slowdown varies, but in general percentage terms, how much of a performance hit should I expect (I use the machine primarily for WP, spreadsheets, communications and some minor retouching and viewing of graphics)? Finally, does anyone have any advice or recommendations regarding install and use of these apps? Thanks in advance.... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 25 15:49:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA008688157; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:49:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11575; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:47:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:45:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11410; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:45:56 -0400 Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11397; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:45:51 -0400 Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA55406 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:33:22 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC817E.F236A0A0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:46:28 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Ron_Yee@altabates.com" Subject: RE: Stacker vs. SuperStor/DS Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:41:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 31 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had a 340 where I installed SuperStor. It didn't work right with the power management and the local IBM office advised to take it off. I put the win95 and its compression on and have had no problems. Slow with 4Mb, a bit faster with 8Mb. Good Luck, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Ron_Yee@altabates.com[SMTP:Ron_Yee@altabates.com] Sent: 1997 June 25 - Wednesday 13:42 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Stacker vs. SuperStor/DS I'm relatively new to PC's, and have a general question about data compression: I have a 701C running PC-DOS 6.22/Win 3/1, and I've almost filled the small (340mg) HD. SuperStor/DS is on the drive, but not yet installed. I can pick up a copy of Stacker 3.1 for next to nothing at a local store. What are the functional differences between Stacker and SuperStor/DS, especially regarding processor overhead and slowdown? I know that the degree of slowdown varies, but in general percentage terms, how much of a performance hit should I expect (I use the machine primarily for WP, spreadsheets, communications and some minor retouching and viewing of graphics)? Finally, does anyone have any advice or recommendations regarding install and use of these apps? Thanks in advance.... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 25 16:01:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA011218907; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:01:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12870; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:00:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:58:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12610; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:58:57 -0400 Received: from dccomm.designcraft.com (designcraft.com [204.242.148.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12524; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:58:20 -0400 Received: from dyn-max23-27.chicago.il.ameritech.net by dccomm.designcraft.com id aa18676; 25 Jun 97 14:50 CDT Received: by dyn-max23-27.chicago.il.ameritech.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC8176.7EEE4600@dyn-max23-27.chicago.il.ameritech.net>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:45:59 -0500 Message-Id: <01BC8176.7EEE4600@dyn-max23-27.chicago.il.ameritech.net> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "'Tom Franklin'" , "'stevez1@ibm.net'" Cc: "'Thinkpad Distribution List'" Subject: RE: 760ED and Mwave Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:45:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Tom Franklin said: > If I were stuck with a MWave machine, I would only have the DSP handle > sound and MIDI. I would buy a separate PCMCIA 56.6 modem and = uninstall the > MWave modem. It would still be slower when playing sound, but at = least you > would get the 56.6 and be able to hear MIDI while online. >=20 > ---------- > > > I had a TP760ED machine that had MWave and I got rid of it and = bought a > > > TP760EL that had the ESS sound chip. I found that the machine was = much > > > faster. Everytime the MWave goes to play a sound, the machine = slows. > > > Additionally, the MWave takes up additional memory. > >=20 > > Except for shelling out another $5,000 or so, is there anyway that = you > > know of to replace mwave on the 760ED? >=20 This is good advice, Tom. I had so many problems trying to use that = darn Mwave modem on my 755CD (TFT 486-100/810MB/40MB). Whether using = Windows 3.1 or Windows95, with every Mwave release, the problems people = are describing all came up. -GPF errors, hangs, reboots, shutdown hangs, generally flakey Windows = OS. -Slow response when using modem and sound simulateously. DSP = resources overcommitted errors. No MIDI. Sometimes extremely long = delays to hear sound/receive data. -Poor reliability at 28.8, dropped connections. If you had a poor = quality phone line you had to settle for 14.4k instead of 24k. I grew to hate my ThinkPad because of these things. I use my laptop = primarily for Internet use. IBM designed this thing without realizing = the importance sound would have for Internet applications. Stubbornly, and with 10 years experience integrating PC hardware and = software, I kept trying to make the silly Mwave work. I called the IBM = help desk regularly, but how could they help, most of the above problems = are design flaws and bugs. I kept hoping a magical Mwave update would = appear on the IBM BBS or website that would fix these problems. Finally, I gave up and bought a Megahertz modem. Instant success, I = chided myself for waiting so long. Now Mwave on my machine does sound = only and the modem is in the PCMCIA slot. Everyone is happier. Much = more reliable and faster all around. No more hanging/crashing. I still = load the Mwave modem, it's there when I want to fax while connected to = the Internet. (aside to laptop designers: of course I now have to card = swap ethernet and SCSI in and out around the modem, painful, please = build ethernet and SCSI into high end laptops.) I too will never buy another ThinkPad with Mwave. And because of the = bad experience, I may never buy another ThinkPad at all. aaron@designcraft.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 25 17:11:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA022103073; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:11:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19099; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:10:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:08:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18881; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:08:37 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18864; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:08:17 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA04108; Wed, 25 Jun 97 11:08:18 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA20777; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:09:15 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199706252109.LAA20777@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Stacker vs. SuperStor/DS To: Ron_Yee@altabates.com (Ron Yee) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 11:09:13 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3B158370.@altabates.com>; from "Ron Yee" at Jun 25, 97 10:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > I have a 701C running PC-DOS 6.22/Win 3/1, and I've almost filled the > small (340mg) HD. SuperStor/DS is on the drive, but not yet > installed. I don't know about Superstor/DS, but regular Superstor and Superstor Pro are both great products. I used the latter on my 701 with no problems; however, instead of compressing the whole disk (which is kind of scary anyway!) I created a compressed 'virtual' disk, on which I did *not* put system and hibernation files. You might not be able to create virtual disks this way with the DS version. BTW, Superstor Pro used to be widely available for clearance prices; I bought mine for $5. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 25 17:16:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA023123360; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:16:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19588; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:14:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:14:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19499; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:14:23 -0400 Received: from ronco-i.freenet.columbus.oh.us (mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us [164.107.107.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19489; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:14:18 -0400 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by ronco-i.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA01295; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pcarter@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA04340; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Carter Subject: Re: Stacker vs. SuperStor/DS To: David Ross Cc: Ron Yee , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706252109.LAA20777@tarski.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Stacker comes bundled with pc dos v7, just as a FWIW. NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 25 17:38:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027134686; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:38:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21075; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:36:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:35:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20978; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:35:43 -0400 Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20923; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:35:33 -0400 Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA32934 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:23:04 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC818E.45B06AE0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:36:11 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "'Thinkpad Distribution List'" Subject: RE: 760ED and Mwave Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:33:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 26 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Maybe firewire (10 Mbit serial) will make [slow]SCSI, modem, printer, many PCMIA ports obsolete. Anyone with some inside dope? Tom ...---------- Finally, I gave up and bought a Megahertz modem. Instant success, I chided myself for waiting so long. Now Mwave on my machine does sound only and the modem is in the PCMCIA slot. Everyone is happier. Much more reliable and faster all around. No more hanging/crashing. I still load the Mwave modem, it's there when I want to fax while connected to the Internet. (aside to laptop designers: of course I now have to card swap ethernet and SCSI in and out around the modem, painful, please build ethernet and SCSI into high end laptops.) ... Thanks, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 25 17:42:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027694920; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:42:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21521; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:41:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:40:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21402; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:40:30 -0400 Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21389; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:40:25 -0400 Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13458 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:27:55 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC818E.F3283950@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:41:02 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Clone Win95 to new HD Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:39:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 12 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Oh, one thing about using Win95 disk compression. Without the "Plus" CD, compressed disks are limited to a virtual 512 Mb. {Plus would raise it to 2Gb} Since the compression ratio is about 2:1, I've kept the Mb allocations for the compressed disks down to 256Mb. You might try 180Mb for HTML and other very compressible files. FWIW, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 00:15:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA080668500; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:15:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13606; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:14:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:13:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13469; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:13:11 -0400 Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13452; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:13:05 -0400 Received: from jschwartz (user-37kb954.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.164.164]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA05328; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970626001237.00e90e30@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jeffsnc@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:12:37 -0400 To: "TROTTIER, Tom" , axel hartmann , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Bill Pratt From: Jeffrey Schwartz Subject: RE: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The modem is no longer supported by IBM. There is a fax document and two drivers disks available from IBM. IBM will not support the configuration of this card. It will only replace it if it is defective. At 04:13 PM 6/24/97 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >Alas, Damark won't ship to Canada (and I suspect the rest of the world.....) > >Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect >SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre >50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com > >---------- >From: Bill Pratt[SMTP:billp117@isomedia.com] >Sent: 1997 June 16 - Monday 11:36 >To: axel hartmann; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet > >Damark's number is 1-800-729-9000. This is the IBM model card >14.4/Ethernet combo I think. Go to the IBM WEB site for information. > >Bill Pratt, Bellevue, WA (STOC#117) >"No matter where you go...there you are!" >Email - billp117@isomedia.com >Homepage - http://www.isomedia.com/homes/billp117 > > >---------- >> From: axel hartmann >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 'Bill Pratt' >> Subject: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet >> Date: Sunday, June 15, 1997 4:31 PM >> >> Do you have a Website/Phone#/etc. ? I'm interested! >> Also, does anyone know whether it supports both UTP and BNC Ethernet? >> >> greets, >> >> axel >> >> On Saturday, June 14, 1997 16:13, Bill Pratt[SMTP:billp117@isomedia.com] >wrote: >> >Damark sells them for $39. >> [...] >> >> Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? >> [...] >> >> Yep, its the IBM Home & away Modme/Ethernet adapter. >> [...] >> >> >> ...................................................................... >> Axel Hartmann . >> Paper (until : Am Bach 8; 51427 Berg. Gladbach; Germany . >> Voice June 11): [0|xx49] 2204 - 66148 . >> E-Mail (valid!): Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . >> Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . >> ...................................................................... > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 01:13:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088631990; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:13:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16124; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:12:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:12:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16036; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:12:10 -0400 Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16026; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:12:06 -0400 Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA66382; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:07:31 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BC81CE.09DDACE0@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:12:38 -0500 Message-Id: <01BC81CE.09DDACE0@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "'Jeffrey Schwartz'" Cc: "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: RE: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:12:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As I've said before, if you get this card, download HAWIN95.EXE which will flash your card if Win95 doesnt recognize it. I am using one of those in my 365XD, so it should work on other TPs, shouldn't it? ;) Have fun if you ever get one! (specially NT users). Fabian ---------- From: Jeffrey Schwartz[SMTP:jeffsnc@mindspring.com] Sent: 25 juin 1997 23:12 To: TROTTIER, Tom; axel hartmann; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Bill Pratt Subject: RE: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet The modem is no longer supported by IBM. There is a fax document and two drivers disks available from IBM. IBM will not support the configuration of this card. It will only replace it if it is defective. At 04:13 PM 6/24/97 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >Alas, Damark won't ship to Canada (and I suspect the rest of the world.....) > >Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect >SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre >50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com > >---------- >From: Bill Pratt[SMTP:billp117@isomedia.com] >Sent: 1997 June 16 - Monday 11:36 >To: axel hartmann; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet > >Damark's number is 1-800-729-9000. This is the IBM model card >14.4/Ethernet combo I think. Go to the IBM WEB site for information. > >Bill Pratt, Bellevue, WA (STOC#117) >"No matter where you go...there you are!" >Email - billp117@isomedia.com >Homepage - http://www.isomedia.com/homes/billp117 > > >---------- >> From: axel hartmann >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 'Bill Pratt' >> Subject: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet >> Date: Sunday, June 15, 1997 4:31 PM >> >> Do you have a Website/Phone#/etc. ? I'm interested! >> Also, does anyone know whether it supports both UTP and BNC Ethernet? >> >> greets, >> >> axel >> >> On Saturday, June 14, 1997 16:13, Bill Pratt[SMTP:billp117@isomedia.com] >wrote: >> >Damark sells them for $39. >> [...] >> >> Subject: RE: Is there a cheap PCMCIA modem and/or LAN connector card? >> [...] >> >> Yep, its the IBM Home & away Modme/Ethernet adapter. >> [...] >> >> >> ...................................................................... >> Axel Hartmann . >> Paper (until : Am Bach 8; 51427 Berg. Gladbach; Germany . >> Voice June 11): [0|xx49] 2204 - 66148 . >> E-Mail (valid!): Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . >> Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . >> ...................................................................... > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 03:19:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA105269563; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:19:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20803; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:19:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:18:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20631; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:18:05 -0400 Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.fm.unit.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20621; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:18:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 2883 invoked by uid 30256); 26 Jun 1997 07:17:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:17:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.fm.unit.no To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Herddrive upgrade. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi I just got hold of a new 1.44 Gb drive for my thinkpad 755Cx (in addition to the original drive.) The problem is that the computer refuses to recognise the drive (it gives me an error code of 174). This drive is bought from an IBM dealer, and is supposed to work with my machine (it actually came with the caddie to put in an thinkpad. Do I have to upgrade the bios to get it to recognise the drive, or is there other way to get the machine to recogise the drive. CU -- LArs Evensen, Overordnet TillitsValgt (OTV) ved FIM, NTNU E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 04:10:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110992622; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:10:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26828; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:09:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:09:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26678; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:09:02 -0400 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26668; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:08:55 -0400 Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-239-139.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.239.139]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA118530; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:08:44 GMT Message-Id: <199706260808.IAA118530@out1.ibm.net> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Lars Christian Evensen" , Subject: Re: Herddrive upgrade. Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:07:49 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I would make sure the master/slave pins are set correctly. IBM has changed these pins on their newer drives and older machines mistakenly set the drives as a slave. ---------- > From: Lars Christian Evensen > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Herddrive upgrade. > Date: Thursday, June 26, 1997 1:17 AM > > Hi > > I just got hold of a new 1.44 Gb drive for my thinkpad 755Cx (in addition > to the original drive.) The problem is that the computer refuses to > recognise the drive (it gives me an error code of 174). This drive is > bought from an IBM dealer, and is supposed to work with my machine (it > actually came with the caddie to put in an thinkpad. > > Do I have to upgrade the bios to get it to recognise the drive, or is > there other way to get the machine to recogise the drive. > > CU > -- > LArs Evensen, Overordnet TillitsValgt (OTV) ved FIM, NTNU > E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no > 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ > Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 11:54:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA157620452; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:54:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26915; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:53:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:51:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26726; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:51:47 -0400 Received: from morgana.punk.net (sparker@morgana.punk.net [204.212.160.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26702; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:51:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by morgana.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA04216; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Fabian Rodriguez Cc: "'Jeffrey Schwartz'" , "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: RE: IBM Home&Away Modem/Ethernet In-Reply-To: <01BC81CE.09DDACE0@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > As I've said before, if you get this card, download HAWIN95.EXE which > will flash your card if Win95 doesnt recognize it. > > I am using one of those in my 365XD, so it should work on other TPs, > shouldn't it? It works fine on my tp560 and is used constantly. It worked on a Sharp 3040 I set one up on also. On some systems you can't run the flash program, but running it on another takes care of that. Is there any truth to the rumor that it doesn't work with Win95 OSR2? ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 13:06:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170164768; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:06:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01898; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:04:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:03:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01726; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:03:42 -0400 Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (unIDENTified@Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01706; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:03:36 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-7 #9830) id <01IKIUZVR5FKA7397P@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:03:27 MST Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:57:55 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Herddrive upgrade. In-Reply-To: "Message dated Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:17:58 +0200 (MET DST)" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IKIW5TSFAUA7397P@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I just got hold of a new 1.44 Gb drive for my thinkpad 755Cx (in addition > to the original drive.) The problem is that the computer refuses to > recognise the drive (it gives me an error code of 174). This error code means there's a problem checking the installed devices (diskette drive, hard drive). So this may be the drive select as Tom Franklin mentioned. Also the latest bios says it has a fix for 2 gig drives, so perhaps you'll need that too (available from IBM's ftp site). Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 13:28:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA174146084; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:28:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03872; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:27:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:26:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03767; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:26:38 -0400 Received: from felix.teclink.net (felix.teclink.net [205.229.32.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03755; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:26:30 -0400 Received: from hx0014 by felix.teclink.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16742; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:26:59 -0500 Sender: wardr@swbell.net Message-Id: <33B2A649.78D2@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:26:33 -0500 From: Reagen Ward X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/720) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: hd upgrade tp-750c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just joined the list, so I'm sorry if this is a repeat. Can the TP-750C take a standard 2.5" IDE? If so, does it require the low-profile model? Thanks! Reagen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 15:14:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187982443; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:14:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10463; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:13:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:09:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09679; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:09:25 -0400 Received: from public.nfld.com (root@public.nfld.com [198.165.106.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09647; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:09:15 -0400 Received: from terryp (n102h116.thezone.net [198.165.102.116]) by public.nfld.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04149; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:38:48 -0230 Message-Id: <199706261908.QAA04149@public.nfld.com> From: "Terry Parrell" To: "Reagen Ward" , Subject: Re: hd upgrade tp-750c Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:38:41 -0300 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just put a 1.3meg Toshiba 12mm into my TP750c without any problems at all.. just plugged it in. I did have to put a littl something under the drive as the Carrier is is for on of the larger drives. All in all it was a peice of cake. ---------- > From: Reagen Ward > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: hd upgrade tp-750c > Date: June 26, 1997 2:26 PM > > I just joined the list, so I'm sorry if this is a repeat. > > Can the TP-750C take a standard 2.5" IDE? > If so, does it require the low-profile model? > > Thanks! > > Reagen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 15:49:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193114572; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:49:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13331; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:48:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13055; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:46:43 -0400 Received: from brickell.netrox.net (root@brickell.netrox.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13037; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:46:38 -0400 Received: from drd (ppp-mia5-168.netrox.net [207.16.5.168]) by brickell.netrox.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA31236 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:44:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199706261944.PAA31236@brickell.netrox.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Home network Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:40:34 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At the office I connect to the office network using windows 95 and twisted pair cables connected to a hub. I'm trying to connect my two computers at home using win95 and a coax cable connecting directly both computer, but the computers won't communicate. Do I need to put a T connector and a terminator at both ends of the coax cable? Thanks for your responses. Geovanny M. Ortiz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 16:20:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA199096441; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:20:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16270; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:20:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:17:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15886; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:17:00 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15864; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:16:53 -0400 Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04021; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:24:06 -0600 Message-Id: <33B2CE72.7EF52313@wwsi.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:17:54 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" Cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Home network X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706261944.PAA31236@brickell.netrox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: > > At the office I connect to the office network using windows 95 and twisted > pair cables connected to a hub. I'm trying to connect my two computers at > home using win95 and a coax cable connecting directly both computer, but > the computers won't communicate. Do I need to put a T connector and a > terminator at both ends of the coax cable? Yes! It needs to be: Resistor - T - cable - T - Resistor Sys1 Sys2 -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 16:20:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA199186458; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:20:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16265; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:20:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:15:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15746; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:15:23 -0400 Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (unIDENTified@Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15734; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:15:14 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-7 #9830) id <01IKJ1XEX0GGA73AQX@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:14:49 MST Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:11:05 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Home network In-Reply-To: "Message dated Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:40:34 -0400" <199706261944.PAA31236@brickell.netrox.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IKJ2U3CA22A73AQX@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > At the office I connect to the office network using windows 95 and twisted > pair cables connected to a hub. I'm trying to connect my two computers at > home using win95 and a coax cable connecting directly both computer, but > the computers won't communicate. Do I need to put a T connector and a > terminator at both ends of the coax cable? I believe so, yes. Also the cable shouldn't be longer than 189 meters I beleive (haven't used coax in a while) but that shouldn't be a problem for most people at home. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 16:46:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204598012; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:46:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18352; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:45:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:42:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18104; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:42:06 -0400 Received: from brickell.netrox.net (root@brickell.netrox.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18029; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:41:16 -0400 Received: from drd (ppp-pm3-36.netrox.net [208.153.146.36]) by brickell.netrox.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00437 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:38:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199706262038.QAA00437@brickell.netrox.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Re: Home network Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:33:39 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks to all that answered my question. As soon as I get home I will install the T connectors and terminators. Thanks, Geovanny M. Ortiz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 20:15:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239470515; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:15:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00711; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:14:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:12:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00448; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:12:09 -0400 Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00438; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:12:04 -0400 Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16454; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:13:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:13:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: billy@MIX.COM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Herddrive upgrade. In-Reply-To: <01IKIW5TSFAUA7397P@Opus1.COM> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The bios fix for 2GB drives only fixes the hibernate feature on 2GB drives. The error code 174 problem is with the pins set to set to Slave instead of Master for hard drives over 1.2GB. On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > I just got hold of a new 1.44 Gb drive for my thinkpad 755Cx (in addition > > to the original drive.) The problem is that the computer refuses to > > recognise the drive (it gives me an error code of 174). > > This error code means there's a problem checking the installed devices > (diskette drive, hard drive). So this may be the drive select as Tom > Franklin mentioned. Also the latest bios says it has a fix for 2 gig > drives, so perhaps you'll need that too (available from IBM's ftp site). > > Billy Y.. > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 22:36:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257379007; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:36:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08989; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:36:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:35:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08875; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:35:18 -0400 Received: from brickell.netrox.net (root@brickell.netrox.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08858; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:35:08 -0400 Received: from gmo (ppp-mia7-49.netrox.net [207.16.8.49]) by brickell.netrox.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11594 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:33:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199706270233.WAA11594@brickell.netrox.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Home network Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:32:56 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ok, I've put T connectors and terminators at both ends of the cable, but my notebooks won't communicate. As I mentioned previously, I originally used both PCMCIA network cards to connect to the office network using twisted paired cables, both cards can be used with coax as well. Do I need to change cards' drivers to use twisted pair at the office and coax at home? I case you are wondering the PCMCIA card I have are 3COM and Megahertz. Thank you in advance for your responses. Geovanny M. Ortiz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 26 23:01:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261100469; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:01:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10851; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:00:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:59:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10762; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:59:56 -0400 Received: from morgana.punk.net (sparker@morgana.punk.net [204.212.160.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10750; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:59:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by morgana.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04970; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Home network In-Reply-To: <199706270233.WAA11594@brickell.netrox.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: > Ok, I've put T connectors and terminators at both ends of the cable, but my > notebooks won't communicate. As I mentioned previously, I originally used > both PCMCIA network cards to connect to the office network using twisted > paired cables, both cards can be used with coax as well. Do I need to > change cards' drivers to use twisted pair at the office and coax at home? > I case you are wondering the PCMCIA card I have are 3COM and Megahertz. If the 3COM card is anything at all like my Etherlink III [3c509] combo cards you have to run the 3c5x9cfg utility and tell it which network interface to use. The Megahertz is probably the same way. Otherwise they will keep trying to talk on the 10bT interface and ignore the other altogether. If you can't figure it out you can always buy a hub [my 8 port 10bT hub was under $50] and use it that way. I started with 10b2 and switched to 10bT mainly because my cheap IBM Home and Away card only does 10bT. After switching to 10bT [and moving] I wired the new house for 10bT and have a few ports I can dock with around the place. Buying combo cards really paid off in the long run. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 00:11:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA270954706; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:11:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14480; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:11:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:08:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14307; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:08:37 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14296; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:08:25 -0400 Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06113; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:16:00 -0600 Message-Id: <33B33D09.7086798B@wwsi.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:09:45 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Home network X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706270233.WAA11594@brickell.netrox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Check your drivers (in Control Panel | System | Devices) and see if there is a switch for 10bT versus 10b2. It's usually autoswitching with the 3Coms, but I don't have a Megahertz... -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 00:12:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271064733; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:12:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14571; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:11:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:11:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14425; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:11:00 -0400 Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14404; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:10:37 -0400 From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA14023; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970627001002_-1059238137@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: wardr@swbell.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hd upgrade tp-750c Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Reagen, They TP750 can take both the Slimline 12.5mm and Full Size 19mm drives. We can help you install themm if you wish. The drives come in the additional HDD Caddie. Please contact me if you would like pricing or additional information. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM Up to 3GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com ========Original Message======== Subj: hd upgrade tp-750c Date: 97-06-26 17:00:00 EDT From: wardr@swbell.net (Reagen Ward) Sender: wardr@swbell.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I just joined the list, so I'm sorry if this is a repeat. Can the TP-750C take a standard 2.5" IDE? If so, does it require the low-profile model? Thanks! Reagen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 00:23:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272695388; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:23:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15050; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:22:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:22:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14961; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:21:57 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14946; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:21:09 -0400 Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-j-04.usc.edu [128.125.224.148]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id VAA14054; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970626211455.00703d24@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:20:51 -0700 To: Steve Parker From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Home network Cc: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" , Thinkpad Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:59 PM 6/26/97 -0700, Steve Parker wrote: >On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: > >> Ok, I've put T connectors and terminators at both ends of the cable, but my >> notebooks won't communicate. As I mentioned previously, I originally used >> both PCMCIA network cards to connect to the office network using twisted >> paired cables, both cards can be used with coax as well. Do I need to >> change cards' drivers to use twisted pair at the office and coax at home? >> I case you are wondering the PCMCIA card I have are 3COM and Megahertz. > > If the 3COM card is anything at all like my Etherlink III [3c509] combo >cards you have to run the 3c5x9cfg utility and tell it which network >interface to use. The 3COM can be set to "Auto-Sense" such that it knows which type of transceiver to set up for, but it will require a fresh boot with the coax-type tranceiver for it to detect and configure for it, otherwise it defaults to twisted-pair. Personally, I think its just easier to have a twisted pair setup at home--either with a crossover cable or a cheapo hub (which can be had for $100 or less). I hate coax...far more problematic and more of a PITA to troubleshoot. Who needs the headaches? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 00:34:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274036066; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:34:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15478; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:33:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:32:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15401; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:32:38 -0400 Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15368; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:32:07 -0400 Received: from jschwartz (user-37kb948.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.164.136]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13484; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970627003131.00ed0dd0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jeffsnc@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:31:31 -0400 To: , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jeffrey Schwartz Subject: Re: TP 380 quirk with RAM In-Reply-To: <"970625150239Z.WT29069. 1*/PN=Nick.Rushizky/O=LNGW/PRMD=MEI/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/"@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm not sure why it reports 4meg less. It should report 2 meg less if you ahve the cardsoft pc card drivers loaded. They use a memory manager that takes 2meg or ram and make it unasable. Hope this helps At 11:30 AM 6/23/97 -0500, Nick.Rushizky@mail.mei.com wrote: >Let me reintroduce myself to the list.. and then I'll start my whine o' the >day. I support about 250 sales guys and their laptops, and I'm now trying to >standardize on the new 380 (after a brief and disastrous flirtation with >Toshiba). > >So far, so good.. it's got some things that I like better than the older 760 E >that I had. One thing is making people call and ask questions.. > >The ones I have (380 D's) come with 16 M RAM onboard. I bump it to 32 with a >Kingston 16 M DIMM, since RAM is still fairly cheap. However, in this >configuration, they all read as having just 28 M of RAM! Not the 32 that my >math comes up to. > >Any ideas? I know these things are new to us all, but I'd like to see if >there's a logical or at least consistent pattern to this. Thanks! > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 00:42:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274696537; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:42:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15766; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:41:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15693; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:41:23 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15683; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:41:19 -0400 Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06264; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:48:47 -0600 Message-Id: <33B344B7.76DF1CC3@wwsi.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:42:32 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: Steve Parker , "Geovanny M. Ortiz" , Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Home network X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.32.19970626211455.00703d24@scf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Actually, remember that you don't have to re-boot with Win95. Stop the adapter (click on the PC Card in the tray), take it out, and re-insert it. It will unload the drivers when you stop it and then re-load them. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 00:53:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276507205; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:53:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16153; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:51:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:51:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16063; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:51:01 -0400 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (relay-15.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16049; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:50:56 -0400 From: Received: from matchb.demon.co.uk ([158.152.105.156]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0720068; 27 Jun 97 1:18 BST Received: (from martin@localhost) by kirk.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA00662; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:20:51 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:20:51 GMT Message-Id: <199706270120.BAA00662@kirk.demon.co.uk> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP750 screens Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know which (if any) colour TFT screens are compatible with a TP750 (mono). I'm looking for a replacement screen. Martin. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 00:54:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276647266; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:54:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16251; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:52:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:52:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16176; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:52:03 -0400 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16144; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:51:42 -0400 Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA03393 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:51:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706270451.XAA03393@Kitten.mcs.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ron Heiby" Organization: Strategis Consulting Inc. To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:51:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Home network Reply-To: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199706270233.WAA11594@brickell.netrox.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Megahertz XJEM3336 in my notebook. At first, I had put a simple thin-net at my home. But when I realized that I would have to switch the driver settings every time I went between my home and my office, I decided to pick up a cheap hub and a couple of cables. Of course, I also had to tell my desktop's Ethernet board to use the new cabling method, too. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 01:50:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA285280618; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:50:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17974; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:48:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:46:38 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17858; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:46:25 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA03185; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27593; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:06:37 -0400 Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-02.usc.edu [128.125.224.74]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id QAA15581; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970626160439.006f9098@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:04:44 -0700 To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Home network Cc: "Thinkpad mailing list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:40 PM 6/26/97 -0400, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >At the office I connect to the office network using windows 95 and twisted >pair cables connected to a hub. I'm trying to connect my two computers at >home using win95 and a coax cable connecting directly both computer, but >the computers won't communicate. Do I need to put a T connector and a >terminator at both ends of the coax cable? Yes. There has to be a T-connector on every coax port that you intend to have as part of the network, and where the cable is not meant to continue, you must have a terminator on the other part of the T. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 02:01:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288601314; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 02:01:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18511; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 02:01:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 02:00:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18431; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 02:00:57 -0400 Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18411; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 02:00:51 -0400 Received: from ericgile (port20.netpathway.com [208.137.139.35]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA10249; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:00:49 -0500 Message-Id: <33B3570E.30F45D5E@netpathway.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:00:47 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Schwartz Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 380 quirk with RAM X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970627003131.00ed0dd0@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My sister received her 380D yesterday from CDW (150 MMX, 12.1 TFT) and brought it by for me to install the PC Card modem and ethernet cards. I noticed that Win95 only reported 14MB installed after the Winstone 97 benchmark refused to load. IBM tech support verified that the System Soft Cardbus drivers take up the additional 2MB of memory. Since the PC Cards my sister was using were not Cardbus, I just 'remmed out' the drivers in config.sys and that solved the problem. Everything still works fine without them. Seems kind of odd that they would use such a system that would hog that much memory for PC Card drivers (least I forget my 760ED and its Mwave system). It is just annoying that IBM makes such nice laptops but will put some kind of 'non-standard' devices in them that takes away from their full capabilities. Just venting some more frustration... Eric Giles Jeffrey Schwartz wrote: > I'm not sure why it reports 4meg less. It should report 2 meg less if > you > ahve the cardsoft pc card drivers loaded. They use a memory manager > that > takes 2meg or ram and make it unasable. > > Hope this helps > > At 11:30 AM 6/23/97 -0500, Nick.Rushizky@mail.mei.com wrote: > >Let me reintroduce myself to the list.. and then I'll start my whine > o' the > >day. I support about 250 sales guys and their laptops, and I'm now > trying to > >standardize on the new 380 (after a brief and disastrous flirtation > with > >Toshiba). > > > >So far, so good.. it's got some things that I like better than the > older > 760 E > >that I had. One thing is making people call and ask questions.. > > > >The ones I have (380 D's) come with 16 M RAM onboard. I bump it to 32 > with a > >Kingston 16 M DIMM, since RAM is still fairly cheap. However, in this > > >configuration, they all read as having just 28 M of RAM! Not the 32 > that my > >math comes up to. > > > >Any ideas? I know these things are new to us all, but I'd like to see > if > >there's a logical or at least consistent pattern to this. Thanks! > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 03:25:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298746301; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:25:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23166; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:24:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:23:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22907; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:23:32 -0400 Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22885; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:23:23 -0400 Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-231-80.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.231.80]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA57190; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:23:20 GMT Message-Id: <199706270723.HAA57190@out2.ibm.net> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Eric Giles" , "Jeffrey Schwartz" Cc: Subject: Re: TP 380 quirk with RAM Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:19:10 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At least there are Cardbus drivers. On the IBM site they say they don't support Cardbus on the TP760x machines under Win95. I installed OSR2 a while back and tried to get a Cardbus 100Mbps ethernet card to work without any luck. I finally had to return the card in defeat. I am told Memphis will have the problems worked out. The drivers there should work with the IBM Cardbus. ---------- > works fine without them. Seems kind of odd that they would use such a > system that would hog that much memory for PC Card drivers (least I > forget my 760ED and its Mwave system). > > It is just annoying that IBM makes such nice laptops but will put some > kind of 'non-standard' devices in them that takes away from their full > capabilities. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 07:14:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020260044; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:14:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10140; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:13:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:12:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10051; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:12:36 -0400 Received: from mail.microserve.net (mail.microserve.net [207.44.0.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10041; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:12:31 -0400 Received: from .epix.net (eye.microserve.com [198.70.182.26]) by mail.microserve.net (8.8.5/naISPa) with ESMTP id HAA15133 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706271109.HAA15133@mail.microserve.net> From: "jpugliese" To: Subject: shutdown question with win95 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:13:50 -0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC82C9.A9677BA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC82C9.A9677BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I shut down I don't get the screen that says "it's safe to shut off your computer" It just appears to shut down.This occurs on my ThinkPad 755cse laptop where I installed win95 over thet top of win3.1.Any ideas will be appreciated.This does not occur on my sesktop . Is this a ThinkPad problem or a win95 problem? Please email me a copy of your reply. JOE Joe Pugliese email:jpuglies@microserve.net ------=_NextPart_000_01BC82C9.A9677BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When I shut down I don't get the screen = that says "it's safe to shut off
your computer" It just = appears to shut down.This occurs on my = ThinkPad 755cse laptop where = I
installed win95 over thet top of win3.1.Any ideas will be = appreciated.This does not occur on my = sesktop . Is this a ThinkPad problem or a win95 problem?
Please = email me a copy of your reply.
JOE
Joe = Pugliese
email:jpuglies@microserve.net

------=_NextPart_000_01BC82C9.A9677BA0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 08:46:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030385562; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:46:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14729; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:45:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:44:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14635; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:44:31 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14618; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:44:26 -0400 Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA07937; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:52:10 -0600 Message-Id: <33B3B601.88567AE1@wwsi.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:45:53 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jpugliese Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: shutdown question with win95 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706271109.HAA15133@mail.microserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu jpugliese wrote: > When I shut down I don't get the screen that says "it's safe to shut > off > your computer" It just appears to shut down.This occurs on my ThinkPad > 755cse laptop where I > installed win95 over thet top of win3.1.Any ideas will be > appreciated.This does not occur on my sesktop . Is this a ThinkPad > problem or a win95 problem? > Please email me a copy of your reply. Heh, heh, heh.... It's not a "problem", it's a "feature"! If your desktop was APM enabled, it would shut down, too! Some hardware, including the Thinkpads, are enabled to have the software shut down the hardware. I view this as a *good* thing, BTW! -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 10:32:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042551922; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:32:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22776; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:31:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:30:10 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22591; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:30:09 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id KAA06082; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bcarsde4.localhost (mailgate.nortel.ca [192.58.194.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12175; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:55:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199706271155.HAA12175@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from bcars735.ott.bnr.ca (actually 47.128.2.191) by bcarsde4.localhost; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:51:32 -0400 Received: from bnr.ca by bcars735.bnr.ca id <13831-0@bcars735.bnr.ca>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:55:12 -0400 Date: 27 Jun 1997 07:55 EDT Sender: "Daniel Hammett" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Daniel Hammett" Subject: IBM 3D PCMCIA Sound Card Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks Anyone know what happened to the 3D sound card? I already have one, but would like to buy the add-on module that allows joystick/MIDI connection. Any vendors out there who have some in stick, please contact me. Regards Dan. *---------------------------------------------------------------* | Dan Hammett - TN-16X Hardware Engineer | *---------------------------------------------------------------* | NORTEL Engineering Centre | | | Doagh Road, | Tel: +44 (0) 1232 363525 | | Newtownabbey | ESN: 6 751 3525 | | Co. Antrim, BT36 6XA | Email: dhammett@nortel.com | | Northern Ireland | | *---------------------------------------------------------------* | Opinions expressed in this email are mine, not my employer's | *---------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 10:32:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042611924; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:32:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22772; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:31:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:30:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22579; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:30:06 -0400 Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22568; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:29:47 -0400 From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3b3cdb00; Fri, 27 Jun 97 10:26:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:27:38 -0400 Message-Id: <3b3cdb00@doblegate.doble.com> Subject: Re: Home network To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" , "Geovanny M. Ortiz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I alot of cards have a driver setting to switch between Coax and RJ-45. Look at the properties settings of the ethernet board driver. Also look to see if that both computers are set up for the proper drivers, frame type, etc. 73 Eric eac@shore.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 10:39:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA043852380; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:39:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23601; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:39:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:38:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23512; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:38:46 -0400 Received: from wtalkmke.corp.mei.com (wtalkmke.corp.mei.com [151.186.47.180]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23482; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:38:33 -0400 From: Received: by wtalkmke.corp.mei.com (1.40.112.8/16.2-WT4.1) id AA290772615; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:43:35 -0500 Received: by ATTMAIL; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 9:36:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 9:36:03 -0500 Subject: IBM 380 RAM quirk solved... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <"970627144231Z.WT29060. 0*/PN=Nick.Rushizky/O=LNGW/PRMD=MEI/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/"@MHS> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu According to IBM, they know now that the 380's, having to use Cardsoft for the PC card slots (something to do with needing extra power or ability to enable the Zoom card features) instead of the native 95 drivers, take the first 4 M and hide it from the rest of the system. Well, I guess I'll have to be ordering that 64 M DIMM then! Just can't lose memory that the sales weenies need, you know.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 11:14:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA048154475; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:14:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26425; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:14:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:13:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26312; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:13:28 -0400 Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26287; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:13:22 -0400 Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27661 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26726; Fri, 27 Jun 97 11:19:41 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA13802 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:19:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Home network In-Reply-To: <33B344B7.76DF1CC3@wwsi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Steve Hultquist wrote: > Actually, remember that you don't have to re-boot with Win95. Stop the > adapter (click on the PC Card in the tray), take it out, and re-insert > it. It will unload the drivers when you stop it and then re-load them. Actually, this is true of nearly every OS I know that supports PCMCIA. And if you don't like removing the PCMCIA cover to pull out the card, suspending the computer and waking it is usually enough (always worked for me w/ OS/2 and Linux, Win95 is a little more finicky in that suspend doesn't always work and doesn't always seem to restart Card services). -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 13:25:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066432316; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:25:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06176; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:24:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:23:07 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05992; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:23:05 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA06729; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04719; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:05:24 -0400 Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-22.usc.edu [128.125.224.94]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id KAA16575; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970627095935.007465b8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:05:22 -0700 To: "Tom Franklin" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Speaking of Win 95 OSR2... Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:19 AM 6/27/97 -0600, Tom Franklin wrote: >I installed OSR2 a while back and tried to get a Cardbus 100Mbps ethernet >card to work without any luck. I finally had to return the card in defeat. Speaking of which...I got my hands on a CD-ROM with the latest (OSR2) version of Win 95 (that has FAT32, etc.) and tried to install it--first on my Desktop machine since in the event of total failure, that's easier to simply restore everything from tape. Well...it wouldn't let me. It keeps saying "This machine already has an operating system installed", etc. Basically, its designed in such a way that at appears to preclude it being installed as an "upgrade" of any sort, working only on a fresh, virginal system with no OS on it. Is there any way around that? Can I start it with a switch or something that will tell it to install anyway as an upgrade or perhaps at least as a seperate installation in a directory of its own? Thanks in advance for your insights... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 13:25:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066472329; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:25:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06171; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:24:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:23:22 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06032; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:23:21 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA06742; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04744; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:05:32 -0400 Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-22.usc.edu [128.125.224.94]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id KAA16582; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970627100417.007436ac@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:05:24 -0700 To: "jpugliese" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: shutdown question with win95 Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:13 AM 6/27/97 -0100, jpugliese wrote: >>>> ArialWhen I shut down I don't get the screen that says "it's safe to shut off your computer" It just appears to shut down.This occurs on 0000,0000,ffffmy ThinkPad 755cse laptop where I installed win95 over thet top of win3.1.Any ideas will be appreciated.0000,0000,ffffThis does not occur on my sesktop . Is this a ThinkPad problem or a win95 problem? Please email me a copy of your reply. JOE Joe Pugliese email:jpuglies@microserve.net <<<<<<<< Cool usage, by the way, of fonts & colors--but I fear that most people on the list don't have E-mail software like Eudora 3.0 that supports it. At any rate, what you describe is *not* a "problem" at all--it just means your ThinkPad fully supports power-saving features (APM or whatever), thus instead of saying, "You can turn off the machine now", it just does it. Its a great feature--means you don't have to wait around to physically throw the switch. Some desktops, mostly just newer ones, also have APM capability built-in to the BIOS, and they too will just automatically shut off rather than showing you that screen. >>>> 0000,0000,ffff ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 13:28:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066662498; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:28:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06504; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:27:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:26:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06378; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:26:45 -0400 Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06356; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:26:32 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.184.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.5/(97/05/21 3.30)) id NAA24288; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:26:23 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from Concentric.concentric.net (cnc137038.concentric.net [206.173.215.38]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.5) id NAA14549; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706271726.NAA14549@newman.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:26:15 +0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: 760 series... Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've posted this question on the listserv before, but I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing *flickering* problems with their 12.1" SVGA TFT screens. I sent my 760ED to EasyServ and they replaced the motherboard and DC Card. Everything seemed fine, for a while. Then, the screen started flickering sporatically again, but thankfully not as frequent. Furthermore, I'm now occasionally getting a boot failure when I turn on the computer. It doesn't seem to recognize either the hard disk or the floppy. Needless to say, I was in a panic until I figured out that repeatedly resetting the computer with the reset button help me to boot the Thinkpad up again. Lastly, I'm curious if anyone else has experienced *sore* wrists with the 760 series. I've owned a 720C and 755CX and never had a problem. But since the keyboard is much higher I find that my right wrist is very sore. I don't find the tilt feature much help as I would prefer the actually notebook on feet than this. Thanks, ... patrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 14:00:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070744419; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:00:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08210; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:58:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:57:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08122; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:57:44 -0400 Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08087; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:57:35 -0400 Received: from talarurus-1.mdm.mke.execpc.com (talarurus-1.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.69.147]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.6.Beta3) id MAA10446 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:57:33 -0500 (CDT) From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Win95 OSR2 FAQ location Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:58:41 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <33b7fef3.12512785@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randy (sorry I deleted your original message): The OSR2 FAQ is located at http://www.users.cts.com/king/s/serwin/osr2.html Looks like you can only install OSR2 on a clean hard drive. Read the whole FAQ for more info. Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation =20 System/LAN Administrator Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay Corp. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 14:08:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA072004931; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:08:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08825; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:07:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:06:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08741; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:06:34 -0400 Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08720; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:06:27 -0400 Received: from ericgile (port17.netpathway.com [208.137.139.32]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12718 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:06:38 -0500 Message-Id: <33B4011E.86F1BEFC@netpathway.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:06:22 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 FAQ location X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33b7fef3.12512785@mailgate.execpc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Although it may mention this in the FAQ, I have installed OSR2 on hard drives that only had MS-DOS 6.22 installed. In the three times that I have done this, everything went fine. I have not tried to upgrade an existing Win95 install, however. Eric Giles Tom Kustner wrote: > Randy (sorry I deleted your original message): > > The OSR2 FAQ is located at > http://www.users.cts.com/king/s/serwin/osr2.html > > Looks like you can only install OSR2 on a clean hard drive. Read the > whole FAQ for more info. > > Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation > System/LAN Administrator Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA > Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay Corp. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 14:16:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073085373; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:16:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09538; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:14:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:14:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09343; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:14:02 -0400 Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09303; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:13:54 -0400 Received: from talarurus-1.mdm.mke.execpc.com (talarurus-1.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.69.147]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.6.Beta3) id NAA11307; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:13:50 -0500 (CDT) From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: Eric Giles Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 FAQ location Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:14:58 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <33bb02e8.13525685@mailgate.execpc.com> References: <33b7fef3.12512785@mailgate.execpc.com> <33B4011E.86F1BEFC@netpathway.com> In-Reply-To: <33B4011E.86F1BEFC@netpathway.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:06:22 -0500, you wrote: >Although it may mention this in the FAQ, I have installed OSR2 on hard >drives that only had MS-DOS 6.22 installed. In the three times that I >have done this, everything went fine. Eric, You caught me in my laziness. Yes, the FAQ does mention you can get away with having DOS on the hard drive. I have no experience with OSR2 (yet). Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation =20 System/LAN Administrator Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay Corp. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 23:11:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144977518; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:11:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07690; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:11:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:09:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07414; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:09:29 -0400 Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07395; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:09:21 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@fr1.izap.com (port 1284 [207.211.45.101]) by shell.izap.com with SMTP id <227953-16578>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:09:17 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970627200627.006a0f74@izap.com> X-Sender: jg@izap.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:06:27 -0700 To: "jpugliese" From: josh Subject: Re: shutdown question with win95 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199706271109.HAA15133@mail.microserve.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I believ this is normal, when you tell WIN 95 to "shutdown" it "SHUTSDOWN" literally, powering off th eunit as well. This startled me at first , I have a THINKPAD 701CS with a recently installed (and still slightly buggy) version of WIN 95. as far as I can tell it is a noraml "feature". If I am wrong, please correct me.... Josh jg@izap.com At 07:13 AM 6/27/97 -0100, you wrote: >>>> ArialWhen I shut down I don't get the screen that says "it's safe to shut off your computer" It just appears to shut down.This occurs on 0000,0000,ffffmy ThinkPad 755cse laptop where I installed win95 over thet top of win3.1.Any ideas will be appreciated.0000,0000,ffffThis does not occur on my sesktop . Is this a ThinkPad problem or a win95 problem? Please email me a copy of your reply. JOE Joe Pugliese email:jpuglies@microserve.net <<<<<<<< From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 27 23:53:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA150249987; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:53:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08897; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:52:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:52:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08821; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:52:21 -0400 Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08811; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:52:17 -0400 Received: from jschwartz (user-37kb958.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.164.168]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA18713; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970627235147.00e9e4d0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jeffsnc@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:51:47 -0400 To: Eric Giles From: Jeffrey Schwartz Subject: Re: TP 380 quirk with RAM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <33B3570E.30F45D5E@netpathway.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970627003131.00ed0dd0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The cardbus/card soft pc card drivers are supposed to be the best out there. The purchased a another comapny that makes a mem mgt program that they decided to use. That driver, I don't remember the name is what takes up the 2 meg of memory. The only reason that IBM uses cardbus drivers is that they support zoom video. The cardbus drivers don't replace the support provided by Win95, just supplement it. I don't think that you need the cardbus drivers for Cardbus cards. At 01:00 AM 6/27/97 -0500, Eric Giles wrote: >My sister received her 380D yesterday from CDW (150 MMX, 12.1 TFT) and >brought it by for me to install the PC Card modem and ethernet cards. I >noticed that Win95 only reported 14MB installed after the Winstone 97 >benchmark refused to load. IBM tech support verified that the System >Soft Cardbus drivers take up the additional 2MB of memory. Since the PC >Cards my sister was using were not Cardbus, I just 'remmed out' the >drivers in config.sys and that solved the problem. Everything still >works fine without them. Seems kind of odd that they would use such a >system that would hog that much memory for PC Card drivers (least I >forget my 760ED and its Mwave system). > >It is just annoying that IBM makes such nice laptops but will put some >kind of 'non-standard' devices in them that takes away from their full >capabilities. > >Just venting some more frustration... > >Eric Giles > >Jeffrey Schwartz wrote: > >> I'm not sure why it reports 4meg less. It should report 2 meg less if >> you >> ahve the cardsoft pc card drivers loaded. They use a memory manager >> that >> takes 2meg or ram and make it unasable. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> At 11:30 AM 6/23/97 -0500, Nick.Rushizky@mail.mei.com wrote: >> >Let me reintroduce myself to the list.. and then I'll start my whine >> o' the >> >day. I support about 250 sales guys and their laptops, and I'm now >> trying to >> >standardize on the new 380 (after a brief and disastrous flirtation >> with >> >Toshiba). >> > >> >So far, so good.. it's got some things that I like better than the >> older >> 760 E >> >that I had. One thing is making people call and ask questions.. >> > >> >The ones I have (380 D's) come with 16 M RAM onboard. I bump it to 32 >> with a >> >Kingston 16 M DIMM, since RAM is still fairly cheap. However, in this >> >> >configuration, they all read as having just 28 M of RAM! Not the 32 >> that my >> >math comes up to. >> > >> >Any ideas? I know these things are new to us all, but I'd like to see >> if >> >there's a logical or at least consistent pattern to this. Thanks! >> > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 01:53:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288983607; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:53:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02667; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:53:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:50:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02557; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:50:40 -0400 Received: from mail01.citylinq.net ([207.173.198.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02542; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:50:35 -0400 Received: from pele.wolfenet.com ([207.173.198.40]) by mail01.citylinq.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 201-33923U500L100S0) with SMTP id AAA174 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:49:46 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970628225042.006a26a4@mail01.citylinq.net> X-Sender: peterl@mail01.citylinq.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:50:42 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Lewis Subject: 701c video questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What are the resolution and color-palette options for the 701c? I'm at 640x480 and 256 colors, which are the settings the previous owner used. Can either be bumped up? Is that a good idea? Near as I can tell, the manual is silent on this. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 15:27:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058942463; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:27:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07074; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:27:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:23:40 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06757; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:23:38 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA17873; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate21 (mailgate21-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02428; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:13:07 -0400 Received: by mailgate21 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA25001; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 10:12:33 -0700 Received: from sdn-ts-001caconcp12.dialsprint.net(206.133.194.31) by mailfep4-hme1 via smap (KC5.24) id Q_10.1.1.10/Q_21016_1_33b6977e; Sun Jun 29 10:12:30 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970629101211.00b6d82c@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Sender: geige@pop.a001.sprintmail.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 10:12:20 -0700 To: Peter Lewis From: Dale Chao Subject: Re: 701c video questions Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Peter, I've got a 701cs, so I assume it's the same. Running Windows 95, I can run 16-bit color without a problem. Just change the settings in the control panel. Or better yet, and provided you have a display driver chosen that can do this, use the DisplayRes applet that you can pick up from the Microsoft web site for free. Dale At 10:50 PM 6/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >What are the resolution and color-palette options for the 701c? > >I'm at 640x480 and 256 colors, which are the settings the previous owner >used. > >Can either be bumped up? Is that a good idea? Near as I can tell, the >manual is silent on this. > >Thanks. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California NEW>> Primary Email: geige@usa.net NEW>> My homepage: hepster.phy.uic.edu/~geige (last revision: 1/2/97) PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 15:27:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058982477; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:27:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07070; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:27:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:23:48 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06771; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:23:43 -0400 Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA17886; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05413; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:54:25 -0400 Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-231-212.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.231.212]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA150092 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:54:22 GMT Message-Id: <199706291854.SAA150092@out1.ibm.net> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Thinkpad Distribution List" Subject: TP765 Question Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:54:55 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does the new TP765 series power supply use the same connector as the older TP760 series? Is the brick relatively the same size? The power supply on the TP765 is a bit beefier 56W instead of 35W. I was hoping my screen would not flicker while charging with the beefier supply. \\|||// (o) (o) ======.oOO==( )==OOo.======= || || || Thomas D. Franklin || || tom.franklin@usa.net || || || || .oooO Oooo. || =======( )===( )======== \ ( ) / \_) (_/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 16:26:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064235987; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:26:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10274; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:26:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:24:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10093; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:24:29 -0400 Received: from Mycroft.orst.edu (gordond@mcdn4.NWS.ORST.EDU [128.193.108.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10082; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:24:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (gordond@localhost) by Mycroft.orst.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00374 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:24:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: Mycroft.orst.edu: gordond owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:24:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Gordon X-Sender: gordond@Mycroft.orst.edu Reply-To: Douglas Gordon To: list mailing Subject: Number of colors with TP701CS and Linux and X Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all. I have a TP701CS running a very modified Slakware 3.0 Linux. I have updated much of the system, but I am still running Xfree 3.1. The maximum number of colors under X with the SVGA server is 256 with XFree 3.1. Before I go through the downloading of 3.3 is anybody running a newer version of Xfree (3.2 or 3.3) with a TP701C(S) and getting 16 bit or better color depth? Thanks in advance for any help. regards Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Doug Gordon gordond@bcc.orst.edu | | Oregon State University Molecular and Cellular Biology | | (541) 737-3334 Corvallis, OR 97331 USA | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 18:44:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078454243; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:44:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16720; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:43:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:42:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16624; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:42:36 -0400 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2a.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16613; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:42:30 -0400 Received: from matchb.demon.co.uk ([158.152.105.156]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1224949; 29 Jun 97 22:33 BST Sender: martin@mail.demon.net Message-Id: <33B6E342.7C83DE22@matchb.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:35:46 +0000 From: Martin Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.5 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Replacement screens for TP750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a mono 750 which has given sterling service in the last 3 years. My only gripe is the screen which is barely visible in bright light conditions. I've seen replacement screens for some other thinkpads for sale, I wouls like to know which TFT screens would be compatible with my 750. Martin. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 19:34:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA083087248; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:34:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18417; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:32:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:32:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18318; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:32:13 -0400 Received: from public.nfld.com (root@public.nfld.com [198.165.106.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18307; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:32:09 -0400 Received: from terryp--ibm- (ts04-p03.remote.nfld.com [198.165.106.195]) by public.nfld.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15160; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:01:56 -0230 Message-Id: <199706292331.VAA15160@public.nfld.com> From: "Terry Parrell" To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" , "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Re: Home network Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:58:50 -0300 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC8273.BF65C8E0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC8273.BF65C8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may find it easier to connect via twisted Pair. You can get a little 4 port hub for $50.00 to $100.00... Or you can just connect PC-PC using a Crossover cable, Easy to make or buy. I use a crossover for mine and itis a lot easier to setup than Paralell direct connect. ---------- > From: Geovanny M. Ortiz > To: Thinkpad mailing list > Subject: Re: Home network > Date: June 26, 1997 5:33 PM > > Thanks to all that answered my question. As soon as I get home I will > install the T connectors and terminators. > > Thanks, > > Geovanny M. Ortiz ------=_NextPart_000_01BC8273.BF65C8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You may find it easier to connect = via twisted Pair. You can get a little 4 port hub for $50.00 to = $100.00... Or you can just connect PC-PC using a Crossover cable, Easy = to make or buy. I use a crossover for mine and itis a lot easier to = setup than Paralell direct connect.

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> From: = Geovanny M. Ortiz <o-n-a@bridge.net>
> To: Thinkpad mailing list <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> Subject: Re: Home network
> Date: = June 26, 1997 5:33 PM
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> Thanks to all that answered my = question.  As soon as I get home I will
> install the T = connectors and terminators.
>
> Thanks,
>
> = Geovanny M. Ortiz

------=_NextPart_000_01BC8273.BF65C8E0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 19:42:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA083507746; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:42:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19314; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:42:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:41:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19231; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:41:43 -0400 Received: from kensey.clearstation.com ([207.21.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19220; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:41:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (kensey@localhost) by kensey.clearstation.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00337 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:31:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Fairclough To: Thinkpad List Subject: add external mouse 755cx Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu my mouse clicker is quite dead. i could easy serve, but seems like a mixed bag. the delay and all ... so i was wondering if it is hard to add an external mouse ? the back has serial port so i could hook it up to that. just wondering how to get the system to see it and all ... thanks ! doug From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 22:20:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA097517222; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:20:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27254; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:19:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:18:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27171; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:18:13 -0400 Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27159; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:18:05 -0400 Received: from ariel.excelsior.com ([198.73.240.5]) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA29711; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:17:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199706300217.WAA29711@dogmead.excelsior.com> From: "Tim Tyhurst" To: "Martin Young" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Replacement screens for TP750 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:18:08 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have a mono 750 which has given sterling service in the last 3 years. > My only gripe is the screen which is barely visible in bright light > conditions. I've seen replacement screens for some other thinkpads for > sale, I wouls like to know which TFT screens would be compatible with my > 750. I doubt that you would be successful in just trying to replace the LCD panel. In addition to the physical problems of fitting the 10.4" TFT in the place of the 9.5" DSTN mono, you also have to replace the driver circuitry and wiring harness. At that point you might as well just replace the entire LCD assembly. A quick scan of the hardware maintenance manual for the 750 shows that the parts that are different between the 750 and the 750C are: LCD assembly Hinge cover Status indicator assembly Base cover assembly Upper cover I'm not sure how many of these would *have* to be replaced, although I'd expect that most might be necessary just so the TFT LCD assembly would fit. My two cents: it's not worth it. Take the $500 that you'd have to spend on the TFT alone and put it towards a new machine. By the way, the TFT display on my 760C is pretty much invisible outdoors, but the mono display on my 750P is fairly readable in direct sunlight. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 22:29:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA097977771; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:29:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27645; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:28:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:27:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27564; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:27:51 -0400 Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27554; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:27:48 -0400 Received: from jschwartz (user-37kb96g.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.164.208]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA05778; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970629222717.00ec8ae0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jeffsnc@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:27:17 -0400 To: Stephen Gutknecht , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Jeffrey Schwartz Subject: Re: Insight has the IBM 14.4modem/Ethernet adapter for $26 In-Reply-To: <103BEF1175D2D011B83400A0C903EE96062EFA@hurricane.vnw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just be careful, the card is no longer supported by IBM. All they will do is replace the card if it is bad. There are drivers on the web site & a fax doc that can be sent. Doc no 20000. Even if you offer to pay IBM for support, they won't help. Just a warning. At 08:13 AM 6/24/97 -0700, Stephen Gutknecht wrote: >I got this in my Insight specials last night... offers is only good. > >I know some were looking for these. I also suggest carrying a 14.4 >model if you ever have troubles getting connected at 28.8 speeds (in a >lot of cases, the modems drop before they negotiate higher speeds --- >you just can't get connected). > >the http://www.insight.com/deal/ WWW page has further information... > >> America's discount source for computers, hardware and software >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Offer ends 11:59pm (Pacific Time) Wednesday, June 25, 1997. >> For more information, see the Web or contact a representative: >> *** http://www.insight.com/deal *** > > >> IBM Network/Modem Combo PCMCIA Adapter $25.99 >> Simultaneous 14.4Kbps data/fax modem & 10Base-T Ethernet >> Operatins for multi-tasking, Cellular-capable (cable not >> included), Comes with data/fax software, Win95 drivers and >> Novell Universal Client software >> 5 year mfr's warranty Product Code: IB10H4707 > > Stephen Gutknecht > mailto:SGutknecht@i405.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 22:52:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA100229127; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:52:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28733; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:50:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:50:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28635; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:50:17 -0400 Received: from mailhost.cyberramp.net (root@mailhost.cyberramp.net [207.158.64.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28623; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:50:13 -0400 Received: from jmcghee.cyberramp.net (dal-tsa6-p1-29.cyberramp.net [207.158.82.221]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.8.6/8.8.6/ler-0627-1414-NR) with SMTP id VAA23842; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:50:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <33B71EDA.69D3@cyberramp.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:50:02 -0500 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Kustner Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 FAQ location References: <33b7fef3.12512785@mailgate.execpc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, If you rename windows\win.com to win.xxx or something like that, osr2 will let you install. Jim Tom Kustner wrote: > > Randy (sorry I deleted your original message): > > The OSR2 FAQ is located at > http://www.users.cts.com/king/s/serwin/osr2.html > > Looks like you can only install OSR2 on a clean hard drive. Read the > whole FAQ for more info. > > Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation > System/LAN Administrator Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA > Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay Corp. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 29 23:02:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101649756; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:02:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29143; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:01:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:00:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29045; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:00:24 -0400 Received: from goblin.punk.net (sparker@goblin.punk.net [207.114.150.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29029; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:00:14 -0400 Received: (from sparker@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA10277; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:01:43 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Jeffrey Schwartz Cc: Stephen Gutknecht , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Insight has the IBM 14.4modem/Ethernet adapter for $26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970629222717.00ec8ae0@mindspring.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, Jeffrey Schwartz wrote: > Just be careful, the card is no longer supported by IBM. All they will do > is replace the card if it is bad. There are drivers on the web site & a fax > doc that can be sent. Doc no 20000. > > Even if you offer to pay IBM for support, they won't help. > > Just a warning. I've heard from others that called IBM about the H&A cards. They will support them, but it costs $150 or so an hour. At $25 they are an excellent deal. I'm tempted to pick up a couple more, but don't know if they work with Linux. I would want them for basically older notebooks running Linux and doing dedicated tasks. Steve From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 30 02:47:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125573253; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:47:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06151; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:46:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:42:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05955; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:42:19 -0400 Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.fm.unit.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05945; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:42:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 2565 invoked by uid 30256); 30 Jun 1997 06:42:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:42:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.fm.unit.no To: Doug Fairclough Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: add external mouse 755cx In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, Doug Fairclough wrote: > > my mouse clicker is quite dead. i could easy serve, but seems like > a mixed bag. the delay and all ... > > so i was wondering if it is hard to add an external mouse ? the > back has serial port so i could hook it up to that. just wondering > how to get the system to see it and all ... Actually it's very easy to add an external mouse to the thinkpad 755Cx. All you have to do is plug the mouse into the PS2 port (on the right side of the machine, next to the PCMCIA ports) This way, the machine automatically detects the mouse, and you can use the same drivers for the mouse as you used for the trackpoint (I have done this with a 3-button logitech mouse, and with an IBM mouse designed for the thinkpads). Alternatively you can hook the mouse up to the com port, but I would not advise you to do this, since you then would probably need another set of drivers, and you would take up a com port which can be used for some thing else (I have used both com1 and com2 on my system for the Mwave modem, and a cellular phonemodem in the PCMCIA slot). Good luck CU -- LArs Evensen, Overordnet TillitsValgt (OTV) ved FIM, NTNU E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 30 06:14:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA141005692; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:14:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22120; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:12:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:10:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22015; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:10:35 -0400 Received: from alpha3.superonline.com (alpha3.superonline.com [194.242.73.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22005; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:10:24 -0400 Received: from akin ([192.127.89.42]) by alpha3.superonline.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 114 ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA21079 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:10:48 +0400 Message-Id: <33B78526.2ED9@superonline.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:06:30 +0300 From: akineb@superonline.com (Ibrahim Enis Akin) Reply-To: _akineb_@superonline.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Weird problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, On my 365XD when I put in an audio CD, the speaker stops working after a few seconds. The problem goes away when I touch the volume control with the mouse, but after a few seconds the same thing happens. Has anyone experienced a problem like this before ? Thanks E. AKIN akineb@superonline.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 30 12:29:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184308190; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:29:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13138; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:29:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:23:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12813; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:23:16 -0400 Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12801; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:23:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA31869 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:23:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:23:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM's Home & Away In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I bought two of these cards and installed them on Saturday. On my ThinkPad 750P, installation was a breeze and the modem worked first try. On my desktop machine (Micron, 200MHz PPro, Win95, Simple Technologies PCMCIA adapter), the installation hung until I removed the card. After restarting, inserting the card caused a bluescreen of death. I had to re-install Windows. I have had other problems with this PCMCIA adapter. I wonder if IBM will honor the "30 day money-back guarantee" proclaimed on the box. "He's even got a twin like me." -- They Might Be Giants, My Evil Twin Chris Schumann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 30 16:35:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242622906; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:35:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29437; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:33:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29272; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:33:05 -0400 Received: from super.super.org (super.super.org [192.31.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29240; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:32:59 -0400 Received: by super.super.org; id QAA23287; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gotham.super.org(192.239.79.2) by super.super.org via smap (3.2) id xma023285; Mon, 30 Jun 97 16:32:25 -0400 Received: from descartes.super.org (descartes [192.239.79.5]) by gotham.super.org (8.6.12/8.6.12.1) with ESMTP id QAA17514; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:32:24 -0400 From: pcolsen@super.org (Peter C Olsen) Received: (pcolsen@localhost) by descartes.super.org (8.6.12/8.6.12.client) id QAA16798; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:32:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:32:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199706302032.QAA16798@descartes.super.org> To: Steve Parker Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Insight has the IBM 14.4modem/Ethernet adapter for $26 In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970629222717.00ec8ae0@mindspring.com> X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, alone. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I used the ethernet side of my insight card in my TP750Cs right out of the box. I haven't tried the modem yet. Peter Olsen -- Peter Olsen, n2ell, pcolsen@super.super.org ...!uunet!super!pcolsen P.O. Box 410, Simpsonville, MD 21150-0410; 410-997-8584 "Engineering is the art of applying a professional knowledge of mathematics and the physical sciences to improve the quality of life" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 30 17:28:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA250876124; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:28:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03705; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:28:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:27:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03563; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:27:31 -0400 Received: from smtp1.worldnow.com ([208.154.130.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03538; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:27:25 -0400 Received: from [208.142.208.11] by smtp1.worldnow.com (SMTPD32-3.04) id A5CB24F60246; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:31:55 -0600 Received: from [208.154.141.79] by mail.sisna.com (SMTPD32-3.04) id A49F2945022E; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:26:55 -0600 Message-Id: <33B82495.BA062701@propilot.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:26:45 -0600 From: Don Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Peter C Olsen Cc: Steve Parker , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Insight has the IBM 14.4modem/Ethernet adapter for $26 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970629222717.00ec8ae0@mindspring.com> <199706302032.QAA16798@descartes.super.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Peter C Olsen wrote: > I used the ethernet side of my insight card in my TP750Cs right out of > > the box. I haven't tried the modem yet. > > Peter Olsen > > -- > Peter Olsen, n2ell, pcolsen@super.super.org > ...!uunet!super!pcolsen > P.O. Box 410, Simpsonville, MD 21150-0410; 410-997-8584 > "Engineering is the art of applying a professional knowledge of > mathematics and the physical sciences to improve the quality of > life" Help? Whats all the clamour about 14.4 modem ethernaet card. What is the need for 14.4 when a lot of thinkpads have 14.4 built in. I assume the real question for me is what does the ethernet potion do? Sorry I don't know. But forinstance I've noticed 701 owners saying they use it. 701's have 14.4 built in why add a comco card? thanks Don From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 30 17:32:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251446365; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:32:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04047; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:32:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:31:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03959; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:31:47 -0400 Received: from suntan.tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03935; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:31:40 -0400 Received: from adm.loc201.tandem.com by suntan.tandem.com (8.6.12/suntan5.970212) for id OAA03207; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:31:39 -0700 Received: from marmoset (marmoset.loc201.tandem.com) by adm.loc201.tandem.com (4.1/6main.940209) id AA20160; Mon, 30 Jun 97 14:31:38 PDT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:28:53 -0700 Message-Id: <01BC8561.EF7CD9B0@chrisd@loc201.tandem.com> From: Chris DiBona To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Insight has the IBM 14.4modem/Ethernet adapter for $26 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:28:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4025 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Because it has a 10-base-t Ethernet card. and it's only 25 bucks, and 10-base-t cards are usually 80$ minimum. If you plug into Ethernet, you kinda forget about modems anyway. Chris "Hate surfing over the modem, work's got a t3" DiBona On Monday, June 30, 1997 2:27 PM, Don Rich [SMTP:don@propilot.com] wrote: > Peter C Olsen wrote: > > > I used the ethernet side of my insight card in my TP750Cs right out of > > > > the box. I haven't tried the modem yet. > > > > Peter Olsen > > > > -- > > Peter Olsen, n2ell, pcolsen@super.super.org > > ...!uunet!super!pcolsen > > P.O. Box 410, Simpsonville, MD 21150-0410; 410-997-8584 > > "Engineering is the art of applying a professional knowledge of > > mathematics and the physical sciences to improve the quality of > > life" > > Help? Whats all the clamour about 14.4 modem ethernaet card. What is > the need for 14.4 when a lot of thinkpads have 14.4 built in. I assume > the real question for me is what does the ethernet potion do? Sorry I > don't know. But forinstance I've noticed 701 owners saying they use it. > 701's have 14.4 built in why add a comco card? > thanks > Don > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 30 22:06:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289562801; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:06:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15826; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:06:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:03:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15658; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:03:17 -0400 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15648; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:03:12 -0400 From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA15477; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970630215945_-1126500951@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: martin@matchb.demon.co.uk Cc: pepwbmst@portables.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Replacement screens for TP750 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Martin, We have been in upgrades for quite a long time and we have not seen a scdren upgrade for any systems. I hope you can find one, but I do not believe one exists. In my experience, you can only replace the screen you currently have with the same type of screen. That system is basically stuck with that screen from the cradle to the grave. An easy way to get a color display is to connect it to a color CRT. If you are looking for other upgrade information like CPU, HDD, RAM or Accessories - I can send you information. Good luck in your search. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM 800-737-7693 X102 714-418-0113 X102 Tel 714-418-0117 Fax Up to 3GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com ========Original Message======== Subj: Replacement screens for TP750 Date: 97-06-29 18:51:29 EDT From: martin@matchb.demon.co.uk (Martin Young) Sender: martin@mail.demon.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Hi, I have a mono 750 which has given sterling service in the last 3 years. My only gripe is the screen which is barely visible in bright light conditions. I've seen replacement screens for some other thinkpads for sale, I wouls like to know which TFT screens would be compatible with my 750. Martin. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 30 23:19:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298727192; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:19:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19501; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:19:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:18:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19354; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:18:35 -0400 Received: from tor-srs2.netcom.ca (tor-srs2.netcom.ca [207.93.1.164]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19340; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:18:23 -0400 Received: from Thinkpad (van-bc4-45.netcom.ca [207.181.72.109]) by tor-srs2.netcom.ca (8.8.5/NETCOM) id MAA20348; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706301652.MAA20348@tor-srs2.netcom.ca> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "David S. Crombie" To: <_akineb_@superonline.com>, Subject: Re: Weird problem Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:50:37 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC853B.0FB4C0C0" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC853B.0FB4C0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had the same thing happen to me when I first had the machine (8 mos. = ago) but It hasn't occured recently. I just rebooted and the problem = was solved. Still a mystery to me. ---- From: Ibrahim Enis Akin To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 3:09 AM Subject: Weird problem Hi all, On my 365XD when I put in an audio CD, the speaker stops working after a few seconds. The problem goes away when I touch the volume control with the mouse, but after a few seconds the same thing happens. Has anyone experienced a problem like this before ? Thanks E. AKIN akineb@superonline.com ------=_NextPart_000_01BC853B.0FB4C0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had the same thing happen to me when I first had the machine (8 = mos. ago)=20 but It hasn't occured recently. I just rebooted and the problem was = solved. =20 Still a mystery to me.

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From: Ibrahim Enis Akin <akineb@superonline.com>
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 3:09 AM
Subject: Weird problem

Hi all,

On my 365XD when I put in an audio CD, the speaker stops working after = a
few seconds. The problem goes away when I touch the volume control = with
the mouse, but after a few seconds the same thing happens.

Has anyone experienced a problem like this before ?

Thanks
E. AKIN akineb@superonline.com
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