From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 1 08:54:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09344; Thu, 1 Aug 96 08:54:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29317; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:52:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:46:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28590; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:46:44 -0400 Received: from jumbo.read.tasc.com (jumbo.read.tasc.com [147.81.244.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28582; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:46:34 -0400 Received: by jumbo.read.tasc.com (5.x/PRAT[SECURE-2.8]) id AA12225; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:45:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:45:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shemo To: msrussel@ingr.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problems with Suspend/Hibernate in Win95 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960731195927.0094eb34@rmi.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At 01:54 PM 7/31/96 -0500, Russell, Mark S wrote: >Does anybody have any clues as to what's going on here? Or is there a >manual way to bypass the power management stuff? I may end up >rebuilding the thing from scratch if I can't figure it out. :( You should be able to get out of it by holding F1 when you power on. I had a similar problem with my 760CD and I it should give you the option come up normally then. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert E. Shemo TASC reshemo@tasc.com 55 Walkers Brook Dr. Voice: (617)942-2000 x3405 Reading, MA 01867 Fax: (617)942-7100 He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston, He's the man who never returned. -- "The MTA Song" by The Kingston Trio ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 1 09:44:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11551; Thu, 1 Aug 96 09:44:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04223; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:43:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:42:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03986; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:41:58 -0400 Received: from utsurg.med.uth.tmc.edu (utsurg.med.uth.tmc.edu [129.106.8.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03971; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:41:53 -0400 Received: from urol29 (urol29.med.uth.tmc.edu) by utsurg.med.uth.tmc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA029546738; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:38:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:38:58 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960801084519.26c78e12@girch301.med.uth.tmc.edu> X-Sender: hprice@girch301.med.uth.tmc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Price Subject: Re: PCs Compleat Also had good experience with return; only loss is their shipping charge and your cost of return. BUT! They're now part of CompUSA. Therefore sales tax in many more states... At 03:28 PM 7/31/96 -0700, you wrote: >I've had good experiences with the return policy of this company: My >original laptop was a Toshiba, bought from PCs Compleat. When it turned out >to be unsatisfactory (power management was absurd, but that was the design) >they accepted it back without any hassles, and promptly credited the card I >had purchased it with. If only more companies behaved so well.... > >Howard Simpson > >At 04:06 PM 7/31/96 -0500, James Gramling wrote: >>Does anyone have any experience in trying to return thinkpads or other >>portables to PCs Compleat? They tell me they have a satisfaction guarantee, >>ie, you can send it back for any reason or no reason, as picky as one dead >>pixel on an active matrix screen. Has anyone else tried to do this, and >>were you successful? Many thanks, >> >>Jim Gramling >> >> >> > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 1 09:46:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11689; Thu, 1 Aug 96 09:46:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04519; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:46:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:44:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04260; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:44:41 -0400 Received: from lotus.com (lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04245; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:44:30 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd2.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA29549; Thu, 1 Aug 96 10:21:01 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08951; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:36:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9608011336.AA08951@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.03 Beta) id 7EF581B21807DDCA85256379004AEA8D; Thu, 1 Aug 96 09:36:43 EDT To: "Joseph C. Wilson" Cc: tp750 , rick tait From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus Date: 1 Aug 96 9:38:57 EDT Subject: Re: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain 760's 'n DockII work fine ... We've got them all over the place ... -Bill jcwilso @ ibm.net ("Joseph C. Wilson") 07-31-96 01:34 PM To: tp750 @ cs.utk.edu @ INTERNET, rickt @ pencom.com (Rick Tait) @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus) Subject: Re: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD Rick Tait wrote: > > Subject sez it all. > I am thinking of selling my TP755CX in the local paper here in Dallas, > and I was wondering what a fair price is to ask. It is a TP755CX, > 40MB RAM, 510MB HD, it has the MWave, 800x600 @ 65k colors LCD etc etc. > > Also, what about a Dock-II with the Adaptec SCSI controller, no > SCSI disks or CDROM's onboard, just the basic one, without the monitor > stand? > > Thanks folks! > /rickt Our local used computer index says 755cx's are worth about $2700 around here (Milwaukee, WI). Unfortunately, it doesn't give a configuration. I would think the 540 HD would be a minus (I know, I have a 755cx w/ a 540 and it seems way to small) but the 40MB RAM is a big plus. Can't say for sure about the DockII. They have not come down in price in the last year, still running about $700 new. I have heard they can't be used w/ the 760 series. I have a DockII and love it, offers a lot of expandability & convenience. Good luck. -- Joseph C. Wilson jcwilso@ibm.net Milwaukee, WI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 1 11:11:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15285; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:11:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12708; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:09:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:06:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12300; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:06:15 -0400 Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12285; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:06:11 -0400 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09238 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:06:06 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:06:06 GMT Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Huber To: James Gramling Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCs Compleat In-Reply-To: <01I7Q8OBOOEQ8XMQUH@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I do not have any first hand experience, however, there was a discussion in another forum relative to returns to PCs Compleat. The bottom line was the first time you make a return there's no problem and perhaps even the second time however after that your "black listed" and they will either not sell to you or will not allow you the unconditional return, I forget the exact details. This discussion occurred about a year ago so they may do business differently now. On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, James Gramling wrote: > Does anyone have any experience in trying to return thinkpads or other > portables to PCs Compleat? They tell me they have a satisfaction guarantee, > ie, you can send it back for any reason or no reason, as picky as one dead > pixel on an active matrix screen. Has anyone else tried to do this, and > were you successful? Many thanks, > > Jim Gramling > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 1 13:07:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22807; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:07:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23625; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:07:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:03:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23244; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:03:40 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@[192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23238; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:03:31 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I7RFL1Y8KG003HBP@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 13:03:09 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: PCs Compleat In-Reply-To: Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.ORG To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <838918989.197519.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > I do not have any first hand experience, however, there was a discussion > in another forum relative to returns to PCs Compleat. The bottom line > was the first time you make a return there's no problem and perhaps even > the second time however after that your "black listed" and they will > either not sell to you or will not allow you the unconditional return [...] I've bought from them once by COD - they wanted a fax of the check I'd use to pay for it before they would ship. I imagine it's not an easy business to be in but even so this really was a surprize to me. Other than that I have no complaint - prices were good, delivery was fast, etc. I usually use COD as that way no one gets paid until I get my goods (hopefully it inspires them to ship faster). Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 1 13:26:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23384; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:26:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25040; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:25:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:23:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24786; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:23:25 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24774; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:23:21 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0um1Sk-001BJiC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:23 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960801172334.00924bd8@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 11:23:34 -0600 To: billy@mix.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: PCs Compleat At 01:03 PM 8/1/96 -0400, billy@mix.com wrote: >> I do not have any first hand experience, however, there was a discussion >> in another forum relative to returns to PCs Compleat. The bottom line >> was the first time you make a return there's no problem and perhaps even >> the second time however after that your "black listed" and they will >> either not sell to you or will not allow you the unconditional return [...] > >I've bought from them once by COD - they wanted a fax of the check >I'd use to pay for it before they would ship. I imagine it's not >an easy business to be in but even so this really was a surprize to >me. Other than that I have no complaint - prices were good, delivery >was fast, etc. I usually use COD as that way no one gets paid until >I get my goods (hopefully it inspires them to ship faster). Hmmm... Paying by credit card gets you the same protection without the hassle. I don't understand why you wouldn't do that. One associate of mine bought a Thinkpad 701 direct from IBM, complained immediately about the fact that it wouldn't sit flat on a table (it wobbled), held payment from the credit card company, and held onto the original machine while he was shipped a new one. Same problem. Eventually, he got a 755CX and returned the 701 and released payment. But, just shows what you can do! ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. 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Egan ---- Internet: jfe@cimtek.on.ca -CIMTEK- IBMMAIL: i1189482@IBMMAIL.COM ------------ Voice: (905)847-8811 x11 Automation Systems Ltd From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 07:44:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14278; Fri, 2 Aug 96 07:44:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19283; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:42:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:32:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18594; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:32:46 -0400 Received: from www.cep.yale.edu (www.cep.yale.edu [130.132.125.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18585; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:32:42 -0400 Received: (from adept@localhost) by www.cep.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA05027; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:33:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCs Compleat In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960801172334.00924bd8@rmi.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Hmmm... Paying by credit card gets you the same protection without the > hassle. I don't understand why you wouldn't do that. One associate of mine > bought a Thinkpad 701 direct from IBM, complained immediately about the fact > that it wouldn't sit flat on a table (it wobbled), held payment from the > credit card company, and held onto the original machine while he was shipped Speaking of this, does ANYONE have a TP701 that DOESN'T wobble? Ben. Sheesh...They all wobble. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 07:52:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14604; Fri, 2 Aug 96 07:52:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20332; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:51:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:49:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19920; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:49:10 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19897; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:49:06 -0400 Received: from taitr.acona.com (dfw-tx12-08.ix.netcom.com [199.183.201.200]) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) with SMTP id GAA06330 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 06:48:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960802115415.006a7b6c@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 06:54:15 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: TP760c How do I find out the CPU speed of my 760c? /rickt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 10:30:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20296; Fri, 2 Aug 96 10:30:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04062; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:27:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:23:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03491; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:23:26 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03485; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:23:24 -0400 Received: from [128.125.222.123] (comserv-d-51.usc.edu [128.125.222.123]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id HAA10814; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:23:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:25:05 -0700 To: Ben , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: 701 Wobble? At 8:33 AM 8/2/96, Ben wrote: >> Hmmm... Paying by credit card gets you the same protection without the >> hassle. I don't understand why you wouldn't do that. One associate of mine >> bought a Thinkpad 701 direct from IBM, complained immediately about the fact >> that it wouldn't sit flat on a table (it wobbled), held payment from the >> credit card company, and held onto the original machine while he was shipped > >Speaking of this, does ANYONE have a TP701 that DOESN'T wobble? > >Ben. > >Sheesh...They all wobble. Really? Mine seems to work just fine--I don't notice any wobble when sitting on a table. But maybe "notice" is the key word here...maybe I'm just less sensitive to it? But from what I can tell--none. I guess I'm lucky. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle USC Graduate School of Business Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 10:30:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20651; Fri, 2 Aug 96 10:30:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04172; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:28:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:27:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04023; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:27:29 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04014; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:27:26 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA20973 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:27:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA08307 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:26:59 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA04716 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:26:59 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:26:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Wobble? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Speaking of this, does ANYONE have a TP701 that DOESN'T wobble? > > Really? Mine seems to work just fine--I don't notice any wobble > when sitting on a table. > > But maybe "notice" is the key word here...maybe I'm just less > sensitive to it? But from what I can tell--none. I guess I'm lucky. I've noticed that on some tables, mine wobbles and on other tables, it doesn't wobble. I'm not really sure why, but I think that there's a bulge on the underside. Ben. ____ ben@edelweb.fr From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 10:49:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21129; Fri, 2 Aug 96 10:49:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06469; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:46:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:44:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06115; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:44:19 -0400 Received: from ucs.orst.edu (mosleys@UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06109; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:44:16 -0400 Received: by ucs.orst.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Mar96-1233PM) id AA01966; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:44:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mosley To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mouse Drift Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One way to stop your TP701j from wobbling is to use the port replicator with the fold-out stand in the "open" postition. This makes the keyboard more stable and tilts it at an angle for a varied typing position. One problem I can't figure out is "Mouse drift." Has this happened to anyone else? On my low-end tp701 (340 8mb Win3.1) the mouse will sometimes slowly drift across the screen at infinitessimal speeds, even if I'm not touching the trackpoint! Does anyone know how to stop this? ============ Drefty Mcphooter Stepmos@mail.utexas.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 10:58:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21662; Fri, 2 Aug 96 10:58:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07120; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:51:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:49:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06751; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:49:12 -0400 Received: from mail-relay1 (mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu [130.132.21.199]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06734; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:49:08 -0400 Received: from capitoline.cis.yale.edu by mail-relay1 with SMTP id AA06524 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:48:42 -0400 Received: from minerva.cis.yale.edu (ckstern@minerva [130.132.143.250]) by capitoline.cis.yale.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12466 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ckstern@localhost) by minerva.cis.yale.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20517 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT) From: That Ken Guy X-Sender: ckstern@minerva To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mouse Drift In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Stephen Mosley wrote: One problem I can't figure out is "Mouse drift." Has this happened to anyone else? On my low-end tp701 (340 8mb Win3.1) the mouse will sometimes slowly drift across the screen at infinitessimal speeds, even if I'm not touching the trackpoint! Does anyone know how to stop this? I've found that sometimes the mouse drifts due to the sides of the keyboard being slightly lifted ot presed down, possiibly by my hands. make sure this isn't the cause. --CKS C. Kenneth Stern * WWW http://pantheon.cis.yale.edu/~ckstern e-mail ken.stern@yale.edu * finger ckstern@pantheon.cis.yale.edu Yale/Calhoun '97 * Phone 203-776-5544 * Calhoun CA * A E Pi Brother = = = - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = = = "All I'm saying is that there was gratuitous ass-shaking in that routine." -- Jacob Levitt, on Mary Lou Retton's gymnastics in 1984 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 11:04:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22025; Fri, 2 Aug 96 11:04:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08334; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:01:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:00:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08079; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:00:13 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08033; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:00:04 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id QAA12960 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:53:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx2.ska.com(198.240.223.100) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma012477; Fri, 2 Aug 96 16:50:18 +0200 Received: from firestorm (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx2.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id QAA20162 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:56:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from wsf20 (wsf20 [159.122.18.180]) by firestorm (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA19674 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:14:31 +0200 Received: from wsf20 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wsf20 (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA01374 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:16:02 +0200 Sender: Alan.Hodgkinson@ska.com Message-Id: <32018F11.8AA@ska.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 07:16:01 +0200 From: Alan Hodgkinson Organization: Credit Suisse, Zurich X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UNSUBSCRIBE Please remove my name from the Thinkpad mailing list. Many thanks, Alan. Alan.Hodgkinson@ska.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 11:28:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22635; Fri, 2 Aug 96 11:28:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10437; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:21:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:19:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10130; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:19:43 -0400 Received: from icicle.winternet.com (root@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10118; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:19:40 -0400 Received: from icicle.winternet.com (ppp-66-112.dialup.winternet.com [204.246.66.112]) by icicle.winternet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA10832 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:19:30 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:19:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960802151943.006c2ce8@198.174.169.5> X-Sender: howarde@198.174.169.5 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 10:19:43 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Ekman Subject: 750 RAM in a 755 Does anyone know if a 750 module with parity will work reliably in a 755CD? I have an 8 meg module from a 750 that I would like to sell to someone with a 755CD and I think it should work but am looking for opinions. Thanks! Please cc: me via email as I get the list in digest form and would like to know ASAP. Howard Ekman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ preferred : howarde@winternet.com (Terrapin Data Systems) physically : Minneapolis, MN, USA (voice:612/623-1156) spiritually : Todos Santos, Baja California Sur, Mexico From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 11:54:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23860; Fri, 2 Aug 96 11:54:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14472; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:53:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:50:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13973; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:50:05 -0400 Received: from island2.islandnet.com (root@island2.islandnet.com [198.53.172.250]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13932; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:49:55 -0400 Received: by island2.islandnet.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #6) id m0umMTr-0001kiC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 08:49 PDT From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Oh, that modem problem. Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 01:47:16 -0700 Organization: Church of the Eternal Pawn Message-Id: Lines: 57 Hi. I've been having 701 modem problems, too. First time, returned to IBM, they replaced the modem and the main board. Second time, about a month ago, again via Easy Serv (5 working days, as before, including transit time!), they said it was on the wrong port! Returned it, with the new port setting (COM1 - but wasn't it on COM1 before? All my software had it set for COM1 !). But with much improved performance. It would not hang up or suffer spiralling death syndrome. However, it could not download a complete file, even in ZOC. It would hang up at exactly the same spot during a zmodem download. So I went to the IBM ftp site and downloaded new DSP drivers: it was entitled Audio Drive for ESS688 for OS/2, and the dates are October 24, 1995. There are also new drivers for Win95. When I rebooted, the launchpad came back with white ? inside green circles. I despondently erased the old launchpad, but when I tried accessing my ISP, in a shell account, it worked PERFECTLY, even downloads. This was using the shareware ZOC, in OS/2. And now I've downloaded about 15 MB of files, not a single disconnect (although a slowdown when I was running in the background). Why should an audio upgrade fix the modem problem? The generic answer is "don't ask", but here the connection is closer. The same Digital Signal Processor that produces sound, also runs the modem. Everybody, including IBM, tells you to "get the latest drivers", but they don't bother when the machine is in the shop for repair, nor do they even ship new machines with the latest drivers. There is some facility in the Thinkpad under OS/2 to download drivers, but I've never got it to work. I haven't seen anything on the website that approximates "latest driver package". Each driver seems to come separately, often without description or documentation, but requiring its own driver diskette. "Do as we say, not as we do." Eventually, the old launchpad came back. It was something really innocuous that did it, such as invoking a full-screen OS/2 session. One thing I never have gotten right is running Procomm (1987 shareware version) in a DOS box under OS/2. I've tweaked with the DOS settings until the cows came home, but I always get lost characters (usually, but not always, at the beginning of a text line). By contrast, Procomm runs flawlessly at 19,200 in a DOS box under Win95 on a desktop PC. I hope this is of some help to fellow 701ers with modem woes. Jonathan Berry jberry@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca jberry@islandnet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 11:58:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23886; Fri, 2 Aug 96 11:58:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14958; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:57:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:55:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14819; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:55:56 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14812; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:55:52 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx14-23.teleport.com [206.163.123.87]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03894; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608021555.IAA03894@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Stephen Mosley From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Mouse Drift Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu There was some good posting of this a while back that made me feel better as mine does it too....the solution is to let it drift for a moment or so until it stops. The system then resets itself and its over until the next time. It doesn't take long -as I recall there is something like a minute or two max. Bryan At 07:44 AM 8/2/96 -0700, you wrote: >One way to stop your TP701j from wobbling is to use the port replicator >with the fold-out stand in the "open" postition. This makes the keyboard >more stable and tilts it at an angle for a varied typing position. > >One problem I can't figure out is "Mouse drift." Has this happened to >anyone else? On my low-end tp701 (340 8mb Win3.1) the mouse will >sometimes slowly drift across the screen at infinitessimal speeds, even >if I'm not touching the trackpoint! Does anyone know how to stop this? > >============ >Drefty Mcphooter >Stepmos@mail.utexas.edu > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 2 19:20:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18700; Fri, 2 Aug 96 19:20:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20242; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:19:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:14:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19936; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:14:24 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19929; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:14:20 -0400 From: Received: from rzstud2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Sat, 3 Aug 1996 01:14:10 +0200 Received: by rzstud2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA073087647; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 01:14:07 +0200 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 01:14:07 +0200 Apparently-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <"nz11.rz.un.049:02.08.96.23.14.12"@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> To: undisclosed-recipients:;@cs.utk.edu Just called TheChipmerchant: $180 for the 16MB for the 701c (should be the same as for the 701cs, shouldn't it ?) Oh, and PC's compleat: Nice people, really trying, good prices. OK ud1b@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de I Fear Nothing. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 3 00:21:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29156; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:21:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10492; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:20:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:16:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10139; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:16:23 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10132; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:16:14 -0400 Received: from liv-25.rust.net (liv-25.rust.net [206.42.195.125]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01064 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960803001811.1d67b966@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: Mouse Drift At 07:44 AM 8/2/96 -0700, you wrote: >One way to stop your TP701j from wobbling is to use the port replicator >with the fold-out stand in the "open" postition. This makes the keyboard >more stable and tilts it at an angle for a varied typing position. > >One problem I can't figure out is "Mouse drift." Has this happened to >anyone else? On my low-end tp701 (340 8mb Win3.1) the mouse will >sometimes slowly drift across the screen at infinitessimal speeds, even >if I'm not touching the trackpoint! Does anyone know how to stop this? > >============ >Drefty Mcphooter >Stepmos@mail.utexas.edu > I have a similar machine and software. I have noticed this mouse drift from time to time but does stop if left alone for a short period of time. B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 3 13:15:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16400; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:15:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14079; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:10:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:00:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13273; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:00:19 -0400 Received: from user2.mnsinc.com (user2.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13252; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:00:12 -0400 Received: from mnsinc.com (wheeless.mnsinc.com [206.239.32.59]) by user2.mnsinc.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA27394 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 12:59:52 -0400 Message-Id: <320385CD.51FF@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 13:01:02 -0400 From: Karen Wheeless X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Modem/Win95 Dialer Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thinkpad List: I have a question that's probably more Win95 related than thinkpad, but hoped some of you might have an answer. I have a 701C with Windows95 loaded. I'm using the Win95 dialer to connect to my ISP. This past week I was traveling and tried to dial in from my hotel to the 800 number of the ISP. I put in the number, including the need to dial 9, then 1, then the 800 number. However, the hotel's phone system required a second or so of time between the dialing of "9" and the dialing of "1" in order to get a new dialtone. I could do this manually, but when autodialing, the 9 was followed too quickly by the 1-800 number - so an outside line was never established and I just got a busy signal. Again, when I dialed manually, I could pause long enough after dialing 9 to get the new dial tone. Then, I dialed the rest of the number and connected ok. Anybody, have suggestions on how I can get the Win95 dialing program to pause after dialing 9 (for the outside line), wait for another dial tone, and then dial the 1-800-ISP number. I appreciate your suggestions. wheeless@mnsinc.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 3 13:21:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16429; Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:21:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14625; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:17:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:16:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14514; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:16:12 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (cummings@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14507; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:16:10 -0400 Received: (from cummings@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA25159; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:16:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings X-Sender: cummings@netcom17 To: Karen Wheeless Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Modem/Win95 Dialer Question In-Reply-To: <320385CD.51FF@mnsinc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Karen Wheeless wrote: > > Anybody, have suggestions on how I can get the Win95 dialing program to > pause after dialing 9 (for the outside line), wait for another dial > tone, and then dial the 1-800-ISP number. > Sure.... enter a "W" (stands for wait for dialtone) after the 9. ie; 9W1800-ISP number. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Cummings at home, feet up in | Pyramid OSx MIS-12 Columbia, MD. Internet cummings@netcom.com | Systems Admin. Washington DC. "A radio wasteland"... |---------------------------- I Want My W G T B Back!!! |My other op-system is Linux! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He will live on in our hearts, Jerry Garcia. 1942 - 1995. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 3 16:44:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23018; Sat, 3 Aug 96 16:44:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28696; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:44:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:39:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28427; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:39:56 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com ([204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28415; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:39:50 -0400 Received: from taitr.acona.com (dfw-tx15-04.ix.netcom.com [204.31.249.100]) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) with SMTP id PAA16674; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:39:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960803204434.006da6c4@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 15:44:34 -0500 To: Michael Cummings , Karen Wheeless From: Rick Tait Subject: Re: Modem/Win95 Dialer Question Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 01:16 PM 03-08-96 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: >On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Karen Wheeless wrote: > >> >> Anybody, have suggestions on how I can get the Win95 dialing program to >> pause after dialing 9 (for the outside line), wait for another dial >> tone, and then dial the 1-800-ISP number. >> > >Sure.... enter a "W" (stands for wait for dialtone) after the 9. > >ie; 9W1800-ISP number. You can also use a comma, ie 9,1800234567 Each comma is 1 second of delay. You can use multiple commas. /rickt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 4 03:42:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20172; Sun, 4 Aug 96 03:42:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07377; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 03:41:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 03:36:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06264; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 03:36:02 -0400 Received: from glia.cs.UMD.EDU (glia.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.236]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06237; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 03:35:57 -0400 Received: by glia.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA06532; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 03:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 03:35:45 -0400 (EDT) From: hhchou@cs.UMD.EDU (Hui-Hsien Chou) Message-Id: <199608040735.DAA06532@glia.cs.UMD.EDU> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? HI, I have the problem that I only have one phone plug besides my desk. Whenever I want to talk, I plug it in the phone, but when I want to use internet, I plug it in my ThinkPad. I understand that my ThinkPad has a microphone and a speaker. Therefore, I wonder if it is possible to use my ThinkPad directly as a phone? Is that possible? Thanks in advance. hh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 4 09:40:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23199; Sun, 4 Aug 96 09:40:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05175; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:39:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:37:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04873; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:37:01 -0400 Received: from sabine.acs.psu.edu (sabine.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04867; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:36:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199608041336.JAA04867@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by sabine.acs.psu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05403; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:36:56 -0400 From: Brian Katz Subject: Re: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:36:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199608040735.DAA06532@glia.cs.UMD.EDU> from "Hui-Hsien Chou" at Aug 4, 96 03:35:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The windows software (FaxWorks) that came with my TP701 has a speakerphone session. It works good. Otherwise, you can always go but a phone splitter, which basically gives you a T connection on the phone line. This way with the splitter and another cable you should be able to hook up your phone and thinkpad at the same time. : : HI, I have the problem that I only have one phone plug besides my : desk. Whenever I want to talk, I plug it in the phone, but when I want to : use internet, I plug it in my ThinkPad. : : I understand that my ThinkPad has a microphone and a : speaker. Therefore, I wonder if it is possible to use my ThinkPad : directly as a phone? Is that possible? : : Thanks in advance. : : hh : -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 4 11:37:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24968; Sun, 4 Aug 96 11:37:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12095; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:37:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:34:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11673; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:34:10 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11667; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:34:08 -0400 Received: from dialin_28.enteract.com (dialin_28.enteract.com [206.54.253.43]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id KAA10964 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 10:33:59 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 15:40:11 GMT Message-Id: <3204bc39.5336789@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199608041336.JAA04867@CS.UTK.EDU> In-Reply-To: <199608041336.JAA04867@CS.UTK.EDU> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:36:56 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >The windows software (FaxWorks) that came with my TP701 has a >speakerphone session. It works good. Otherwise, you can always go but >a phone splitter, which basically gives you a T connection on the >phone line. This way with the splitter and another cable you should be >able to hook up your phone and thinkpad at the same time. > Someone said a while back that there's a Windows 95 version of Faxworks available at ftp.pc.ibm.com. I don't see one in the "mobiles" directory. Anyone know where it's located? epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 4 11:48:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25101; Sun, 4 Aug 96 11:48:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12825; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:47:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:46:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12652; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:46:17 -0400 Received: from sabine.acs.psu.edu (sabine.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12624; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:46:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199608041546.LAA12624@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by sabine.acs.psu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05818; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:46:10 -0400 From: Brian Katz Subject: Re: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <3204bc39.5336789@smtp.enteract.com> from "epbrown" at Aug 4, 96 03:40:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : : On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:36:56 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: : : >The windows software (FaxWorks) that came with my TP701 has a : >speakerphone session. It works good. Otherwise, you can always go but : >a phone splitter, which basically gives you a T connection on the : >phone line. This way with the splitter and another cable you should be : >able to hook up your phone and thinkpad at the same time. : > : Someone said a while back that there's a Windows 95 version of Faxworks : available at ftp.pc.ibm.com. I don't see one in the "mobiles" directory. : Anyone know where it's located? : epbrown : epbrown@enteract.com : Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown : for information about laptops. : There is an OS/2 version of FaxWorks, but it does not support any voice options, only faxes. Aside from that, it is a really nice fax program! -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 4 12:54:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25995; Sun, 4 Aug 96 12:54:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16631; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:54:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:51:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16441; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:51:00 -0400 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (root@linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16435; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:50:56 -0400 Received: from warper.teuto.de by linteuto.teuto.de with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0un6Lx-000kCdC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 18:48 MET DST Message-Id: From: "Philipp Adelt" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Sun, 04 Aug 96 18:47:21 +0100 Reply-To: "Philipp Adelt" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Philipp Adelt's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT), Brian Katz wrote: >There is an OS/2 version of FaxWorks, but it does not support any >voice options, only faxes. Aside from that, it is a really nice fax >program! >-- >Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu >Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ >State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office >USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax I've been installing Faxworks Pro on several LANs and on some it is the only OS/2 running... Just Warp and FaxWorks because it works *that well*. OK, that's fine. But now I have this Thinkpad here with OS/2. I've looked into FaxWorks for Windows (came with Thinkpad) and I thinks it's great. You have a speakerphone (not so important) and a great TAM. But - as always - Windows software is a bit crappy when you usually only use OS/2 apps. Under Windows - OK, but under OS/2... Does anyone know of such an app for OS/2? Please let me know. Ciao, Philipp! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 4 21:59:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12073; Sun, 4 Aug 96 21:59:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26059; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:57:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:51:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25398; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:51:44 -0400 Received: from sabine.acs.psu.edu (sabine.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25392; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:51:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199608050151.VAA25392@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by sabine.acs.psu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08522; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:51:39 -0400 From: Brian Katz Subject: Auto-hibernate To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:51:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't remember if I saw this topic before, but here goes anyway. I have set my bios to hibernate on low battery automatically, as I can be somewhat forgetful at times. But I decided to test it to make sure it works. the result was that once the battery was really low, it started to go into hibernate mode, then came up with a message saying not enough battery power to hibernate. What is the use of this? ANy answers or similar experiences? -Brian 701C -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 4 21:59:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12078; Sun, 4 Aug 96 21:59:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26057; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:57:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:48:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25026; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:48:30 -0400 Received: from sabine.acs.psu.edu (sabine.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25020; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:48:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199608050148.VAA25020@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by sabine.acs.psu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08506; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:48:15 -0400 From: Brian Katz Subject: Re: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:48:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Philipp Adelt" at Aug 4, 96 06:47:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : : On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT), Brian Katz wrote: : >There is an OS/2 version of FaxWorks, but it does not support any : >voice options, only faxes. Aside from that, it is a really nice fax : >program! : >-- : I've been installing Faxworks Pro on several LANs and on : some it is the only OS/2 running... Just Warp and FaxWorks : because it works *that well*. OK, that's fine. But now : I have this Thinkpad here with OS/2. I've looked into : FaxWorks for Windows (came with Thinkpad) and I thinks : it's great. You have a speakerphone (not so important) : and a great TAM. But - as always - Windows software is : a bit crappy when you usually only use OS/2 apps. : Under Windows - OK, but under OS/2... : : Does anyone know of such an app for OS/2? : Please let me know. The FaxWorks for Windows works well under OS/2, from my experience. but, as far as pure OS/2 software goes, there is not much in the way of answering machines. Several people claim to be working on it, and one or two companies sell some stuff that is rather expensive (corporate market). I am waiting excitedlt for a good fax/data/voice program for OS/2, or a simple software switcher, as there are good fax and data packages already. -Brian -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 4 21:59:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12084; Sun, 4 Aug 96 21:59:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26063; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:57:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:53:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25537; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:53:45 -0400 Received: from sabine.acs.psu.edu (sabine.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25531; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:53:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199608050153.VAA25531@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by sabine.acs.psu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08549; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:53:35 -0400 From: Brian Katz Subject: IRDA transfer software for OS/2 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:53:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of any OS/2 software which will work like laplink, and also supports the IRDA port? -Brian -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 01:09:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16235; Mon, 5 Aug 96 01:09:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08525; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:08:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:05:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08308; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:05:15 -0400 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08289; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:05:11 -0400 Received: from smtp.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id AAA00944; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:04:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608050504.AAA00944@Kitten.mcs.com> To: Brian Katz Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 2.0) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:04:55 CDT From: Ron Heiby Reply-To: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? ** Reply to note from Brian Katz Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Friends of mine, who write the premier FAX software for OS/2 have voice capability in their current Beta. Unfortunately, I can't say how well it works, as IBM never bothered to finish the Mwave Voice API for OS/2, so they can't do an Mwave version with voice! IBM's lack of support for OS/2 is a big part of why I am working on downgrading my ThinkPad to Win95. Ron. cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 01:25:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16627; Mon, 5 Aug 96 01:25:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09570; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:24:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:23:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09467; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:23:18 -0400 Received: from ns1.netone.com (ns1.netone.com [206.83.96.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09460; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:23:15 -0400 Received: from will ([206.83.112.68]) by ns1.netone.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11712; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608050522.XAA11712@ns1.netone.com> X-Sender: wdunn@pop.leopard.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Brian Katz From: wdunn@leopard.com (Will Dunn / Leopard Communications) Subject: Re: IRDA transfer software for OS/2 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Does anyone know of any OS/2 software which will work like laplink, >and also supports the IRDA port? > >-Brian I am told that there is a peer-to-peer type software included in the Bogus, er, I mean, Bonus Pak of Warp Blue and on the Warp Connect CD, although I have not used it to make sure that it indeed works. I don't believe that is supports IR. I have used Lap Link 5.0 for DOS with good results, however. LL 6.0 for Windows will not run in a Win-OS2 session. Good luck. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 03:39:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20405; Mon, 5 Aug 96 03:39:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18946; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:39:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:35:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18675; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:35:48 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18647; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:35:43 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA04554; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:34:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA18214; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:34:19 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA00290; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:34:16 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:34:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben To: Stephen Mosley Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mouse Drift In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > One problem I can't figure out is "Mouse drift." Has this happened to > anyone else? On my low-end tp701 (340 8mb Win3.1) the mouse will > sometimes slowly drift across the screen at infinitessimal speeds, even Mouse drift happens because the Trackpoint is a piezo-electric device. Problem with this is that the peizo-electric thingee tends to deform due to environmental conditions causing mouse drift. Hang around and wait for it, it'll eventually detect the mouse drift and recalibrate Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Weather has improved. Stay tuned. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 03:56:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20519; Mon, 5 Aug 96 03:56:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20928; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:56:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:54:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20430; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:53:57 -0400 Received: from husc.harvard.edu (root@husc.harvard.edu [140.247.30.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20421; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:53:55 -0400 Received: from pop2.fas.HARVARD.EDU by husc.harvard.edu with ESMTP id DAA08664; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hoth by pop2.fas.HARVARD.EDU with SMTP id DAA14141; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960805075407.00903690@pop.fas.harvard.edu> X-Sender: chan4@pop.fas.harvard.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 03:54:07 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: "Derek V. Chan" Subject: UNNNGH!!!! IBM Ethernet PCMCIA & Linksys, Win NT & 95...what gives? Hi all! Here's what I have followed my my problem. Anyone who can help gets a virtual pat on the back =)! System 1: IBM Thinkpad 750C (486SL/33) w/ 36 Mb RAM Dock II IBM Ethernet PCMCIA (10BaseT) in socket 3 (docking station PCMCIA socket) [IRQ 15, Memory Base Address 0xD4000, I/O Port Address 0x300] Windows NT 4.0 System 2: IBM Aptiva M61 (Pentium/120) w/ 8 Mb RAM Linksys Ether16 LAN Card [IRQ 9, I/O 330H] Windows 95 w/ Service Pack I Update Hub: Linksys 5-Port Workgroup Hub Problem: I can see the NT machine and the 95 machine from each machine. However, when I try to copy files between the two machines, the file copy will start then "stall". The networking status lights on the hub show that activity is occuring for a while, then hanging. Windows 95 locks up when I try to copy files to the NT machine and vice-versa. NT will abort atfer a while, saying "the operation failed due to an application request or broken thread." Does anyone here have any advice? Is Linksys reliable? I know that the IBM card worked before, at least when I was using it w/ Novell 2 years ago. I just bought the Linksys card system. This IBM card is a 10Mbps card, right (The Linksys card and hub are 10Mbps, I believe.)? If ayone can give me any advice, I'd be grateful. I've reinstalled Winbloze 95 on both machines (including the NT machine), and I'm still having networking problems (hence, it's probably not NT). __ Derek V. Chan | PGP Fingerprint: CB C4 65 BA 04 04 9C 9A chan4@fas.harvard.edu | FF DE 71 81 83 21 45 6B dchan@cybercom.net) | Finger either address for PGP public key. NOTICE: By sending unsolicited commercial advertising/solicitations (or otherwise on or as part of a mailing list) to the above e-mail address or URL you will be indicating your consent to paying Derek V. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 04:14:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20731; Mon, 5 Aug 96 04:14:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23496; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:13:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:11:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22841; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:11:16 -0400 Received: from mail.westworld.com (root@mail.westworld.com [205.230.56.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22834; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:11:13 -0400 Received: from skywalker (max1.27.westworld.com [205.230.57.31]) by mail.westworld.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA07881; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:11:02 -0700 Sender: kcc@mail.westworld.com Message-Id: <3205AB8D.51BBBB11@westworld.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 01:06:37 -0700 From: "Kim C. Callis" Organization: Callis & Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: alien@essex.ac.uk Subject: Modem usage for the 755CX and Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone come up with a way to access the modem on the 755CX under Linux? I have been told that it is based around the M-Wave DSP chip (as a matter of fact I did see a software upgrade to make the modem do 28.8k at http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tps/dskt3.html ). Also if it is possible to use the modem, has anyone come up with a way to incorporate the dsp upgrades into the modems? -- Kim C. Callis kcc@westworld.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ When it Absolutely, Positively, has to be Destroyed Overnight! 1-800-MARINES -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzAKUecAAAEEAMOBDynbRx1s7HYEMH5lUYwJZXIpKfGk/Xc2fXud0XzkUc2r HSj0UKT4yPFkAZdAH4zbz4ITebvFGpaolDKTw0Zi/IoRv+7UvE1AO84awWql5Mo+ y2fSnWloYnipcDgf/6X3FeczxKvTrLeeU791Xbq7u9cu/yHQqstS0yjeF0YRAAUR tCBLaW0gQy4gQ2FsbGlzIDxrY2NAcHJpbWVuZXQuY29tPokAlQMFEDDATbrLUtMo 3hdGEQEB2ysD/30R48CkGj9vuNvwfdKg8G1bF3EdOh59G6FZeoZE5Y0pCk73zsdw KGXIa8CQ+Lk2D7iid5V8FLf13lJlNleJKDWzEgq3AZdlOSPjwX8jvJ39irW2bzfW wY0drXA5kc+9bZzDs5nRrdA6PLiAEbxkbMW2GhD3f/I6ES51V0CHqQCH =It2E -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 04:35:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20966; Mon, 5 Aug 96 04:35:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25885; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:35:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:34:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25704; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:34:28 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25670; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:34:16 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id KAA20258; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:26:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx2.ska.com(198.240.223.100) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma020219; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:25:46 +0200 Received: from firestorm.foa.ska.com (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx2.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id KAA18473; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:32:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from fs@localhost) by firestorm.foa.ska.com (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) id KAA03434; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:29:45 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:29:45 +0200 From: Frank Sheeran Message-Id: <199608050829.KAA03434@firestorm.foa.ska.com> To: mosleys@UCS.ORST.EDU, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mouse Drift > Mouse drift. My favorite feature! Every few seconds, TP's (and probably most other nipplemouse machines) check for a steady voltage from the nipple. If it is completely steady, they assume that as the machine heats up that is the "centered" position and call that value "zero". The good news is that as your machine heats up, etc., and the mouse voltage at center gets a bit higher, say, the machine will notice in a few quiet seconds, and recalibrate that voltage as center. The bad news is that if you press the nipple in one direction very steadily, it assumes that the nipple is centered, and recalibrates that voltage to zero. You press a bit harder and get where you want, but when you let go, the real center is off from the "recalibrated" center, and so the computer thinks you are pressing the other way. The harder you fight the drift, the longer it lasts. On the other hand, if you see it drifting, just let go; it will stop in a few seconds. I killed many minutes "training" the mouse to do tricks, just to watch it. Fun stuff! I found that often when I was thinking, I'd rest my finger on the nipple just a bit without noticing it. That caused the problem. Now that I've "trained" myself not to do that, I never see the problem. (This is on a 760CD, 40MB, 1GB, 133MHz, but they surely use the same algorithm across their range.) Frank From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 07:23:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23583; Mon, 5 Aug 96 07:23:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11269; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 07:23:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 07:19:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11006; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 07:19:31 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11000; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 07:19:28 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_2.enteract.com (dialin_6_2.enteract.com [206.54.253.49]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id GAA29499; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 06:19:17 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: hhchou@cs.umd.edu (H.H. Chou), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Re: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 11:25:31 GMT Message-Id: <3205d8ee.37347321@news.enteract.com> References: <4u3nkp$g8n@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Yes, the faxworks software is on the ibm ftp site. In the pub/pccbbs/mobiles directory you'll find two files: fwv701-1.exe and fwv701-2.exe. But these are only 16-bit. I recently found a Windows 95 version on site but it's acting somewhat strange (can't record new messages properly, for one). I'll fiddle with it and, if it works, give out the location; or email me if you'd like a crack at it or have some ideas. epbrown hhchou@cs.umd.edu (H.H. Chou) wrote: >HI, thanks to you all for answering my question. My ThinkPad is a >701C. According to you guys, it should work as a phone. But my problem >now is that I have repartitioned my ThinkPad HD and upgraded to >Win95. During this process I have lost the Faxworks software, which >doesn't seem to be on any of the diskettes built from running Diskette >Factory prior to my repartitioning. Does anybody know where I can get >back this program again? Is it on IBM's ftp site? > >Thanks again for your kind help. > >hh >>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Shair writes: > > Bob> hhchou@cs.umd.edu (H.H. Chou) writes: > > >> HI, I have the problem that I only have one phone plug besides my > >> desk. Whenever I want to talk, I plug it in the phone, but when I > >> want to use internet, I plug it in my ThinkPad. > >> > >> I understand that my ThinkPad has a microphone and a > >> speaker. Therefore, I wonder if it is possible to use my ThinkPad > > > Bob> Don't know what model of Thinkpad you have. The 701 comes with > Bob> software which does this, acting both as a speakerphone and as > Bob> an answering machine. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant > Bob> 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 > Bob> 217/356-2684 < Not employed by or representing the University > Bob> of Illinois > epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 08:02:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24038; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:02:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13449; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:01:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 07:58:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13067; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 07:58:37 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13059; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 07:58:31 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id TAA06017; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:01:22 +0800 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0unNRm-0002ExC; Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:03 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA00158; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:55:11 +0800 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:55:11 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: Ben Cc: Stephen Mosley , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mouse Drift In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > One problem I can't figure out is "Mouse drift." Has this happened to > > anyone else? On my low-end tp701 (340 8mb Win3.1) the mouse will > > sometimes slowly drift across the screen at infinitessimal speeds, even > Mouse drift happens because the Trackpoint is a piezo-electric device. > Problem with this is that the peizo-electric thingee tends to deform due > to environmental conditions causing mouse drift. > Hang around and wait for it, it'll eventually detect the mouse drift and > recalibrate Actually the reason for the mouse drifting is the auto-calibration functions. As with all joystick-like equipment, the trackpoint needs to calibrate, the only way is to use the position the trackpoint is in (for the last 10-30sec) as the centre. So if U contiunously hold the pointer down for too long, it would assume that is the resting position. As a result, when U release, the notebook thinks U are moving UP :) A little confusing.. but just let the pointer go for awhile and the recalibration will set it all right... Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 08:12:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24371; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:12:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14494; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:12:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:10:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14370; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:10:47 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14352; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:10:44 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09538; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:04:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA20191; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:04:24 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06007; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:04:24 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:04:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben X-Sender: ben@mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr To: Elvin Cc: Ben , Stephen Mosley , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mouse Drift In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Problem with this is that the peizo-electric thingee tends to deform due > > to environmental conditions causing mouse drift. > > Hang around and wait for it, it'll eventually detect the mouse drift and > > recalibrate > Actually the reason for the mouse drifting is the > auto-calibration functions. > As with all joystick-like equipment, the trackpoint needs to > calibrate, the only way is to use the position the trackpoint is in (for > the last 10-30sec) as the centre. So if U contiunously hold the pointer You could very well be right. I was just repeating what Easy Serve told me--and we all know how devious and cunning those blokes are. Ben. Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Weather has improved. Stay tuned. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 08:50:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25236; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:50:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17683; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:50:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:48:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17358; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:48:02 -0400 Received: from lotus.com (lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17348; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:47:59 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd2.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA18801; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:25:14 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23460; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:38:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9608051238.AA23460@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.03 Beta) id 3D3B3BBFCE74787F8525637C0051721D; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:38:42 EDT To: Hui-Hsien Chou Cc: thinkpad From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus Date: 4 Aug 96 10:51:04 EDT Subject: Re: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Yup !!! There is software for both OS/2 and Wind '95 ... Both use the integrated MWave DSP. I've been using the OS/2 version and it works quite well. -Bill hhchou @ cs.UMD.EDU (Hui-Hsien Chou) 08-04-96 02:35 AM To: thinkpad @ cs.utk.edu @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus) Subject: Can I use ThinkPad as a phone? HI, I have the problem that I only have one phone plug besides my desk. Whenever I want to talk, I plug it in the phone, but when I want to use internet, I plug it in my ThinkPad. I understand that my ThinkPad has a microphone and a speaker. Therefore, I wonder if it is possible to use my ThinkPad directly as a phone? Is that possible? Thanks in advance. hh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 09:44:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26061; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:44:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22290; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:44:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:41:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22018; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:41:18 -0400 Received: from icicle.winternet.com (root@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22007; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:41:11 -0400 Received: from icicle.winternet.com (ppp-66-48.dialup.winternet.com [204.246.66.48]) by icicle.winternet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id IAA17418 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:40:48 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:40:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960805134056.006dddc8@198.174.169.5> X-Sender: howarde@198.174.169.5 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 08:40:56 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Ekman Subject: TP 750 hard drives I am having a terrible time getting other 2.5" drives to work in my TP 750. I have upgraded to the latest 1.42 BIOS. I have tried a WD AL2540 (540 meg EIDE) but the BIOS won't recognize it's existence. I have also tried a Seagate 9145AG (120 meg IDE) and not only would the BIOS not recognize it, but it caused memory errors (201) and config errors (174) and the machine would not boot nor allow me into EasySetup. Both drives are known to work in other systems. Questions: 1) Will all IBM drives work in the TP 750? 2) Will only IBM drives work in the TP 750? 3) Does anyone have direct experience using non-IBM drives in TP 75x? If so, which drives? Many thanks in advance. Please CC: me via email if you post any replies. Howard Ekman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ preferred : howarde@winternet.com (Terrapin Data Systems) physically : Minneapolis, MN, USA (voice:612/623-1156) spiritually : Todos Santos, Baja California Sur, Mexico From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 09:53:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26151; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:53:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23140; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:52:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:50:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22769; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:50:09 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22759; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:50:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id JAA09634; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:50:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:50:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Brian Katz Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IRDA transfer software for OS/2 In-Reply-To: <199608050522.XAA11712@ns1.netone.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Does anyone know of any OS/2 software which will work like laplink, >and also supports the IRDA port? > >-Brian As I understand it, an IRDA port looks and acts just like a serial port. Any serial transfer program will work with it (including modem programs in null modem mode). The only thing IRDA-aware software gives you is better error handling. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 09:56:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26164; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:56:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23622; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:56:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:54:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23322; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:54:08 -0400 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23313; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:54:06 -0400 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id IAA12596 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:54:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:54 CDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960805135519.006bd48c@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: runngdog@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 08:55:19 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dane Tyson Subject: New Toshiba Prices (TP To Follow?) A quick note for those of you who participated in the "Tecra 720 vs. TP760ED" discussion a few weeks back, as well as anyone planning to purchase either machine. Toshiba announced new prices on 1 August, with the list price of the 720CDT falling to $5,399 (and the 500, which is virtually identical except for the SVGA screen and 120 MHz processor, to $4,699). Although IBM will no doubt hold out for a little while based on the praise (and benchmark performance) in PC Magazine's current issue, my impression is that pricing of the 760 line has tended to track that of the Tecra -- despite the strong performance, it will be hard for IBM to sustain a $1,600-$2,300 price premium for long. Regards, Dane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 10:22:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26584; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:22:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26081; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:22:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:18:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25787; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:18:40 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25781; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:18:37 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-20.shadow.net [204.177.71.20]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07122; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960805141820.006c6800@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 10:18:20 -0400 To: Howard Ekman , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: TP 750 hard drives >2) Will only IBM drives work in the TP 750? >3) Does anyone have direct experience using non-IBM drives in TP 75x? If >so, which drives? I have a Quantum 540 working fine in my 750 Donald Alan Whiteside, who will vote for Dick Lamm if he'll give me his daughter Heather's phone number. (Smart, cute AND socially conscious - woohoo!) "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 10:51:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27058; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:51:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29521; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:51:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:48:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29085; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:48:44 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29078; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:48:34 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id JAA15484; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:50:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id JAA01170; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:48:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:48:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Howard Ekman Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 750 hard drives In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960805134056.006dddc8@198.174.169.5> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Howard Ekman wrote: > I am having a terrible time getting other 2.5" drives to work in my TP 750. > I have upgraded to the latest 1.42 BIOS. > Howard, I have given up with the AL2540, and ordered an IBM drive. However, I talked to Toshiba and learned that their drives will work (according to them) if there is a C after the model number, e.g., HDDxxxxC. An 810 meg drive hs the model numbers MK1926FCV and HDD2517C. Note that each drive has two model numbers. The FC means IDE, and the V means slim line, 12.5 mm thick. FB would be SCSI. Toshiba tel #'s are800-999-4273 and 714-583-3000. good luck, harry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 5 21:13:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01160; Mon, 5 Aug 96 21:13:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17117; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:20:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:19:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16972; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:19:13 -0400 Received: from mail-hub.interpath.net (mail-hub.interpath.net [199.72.1.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16966; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:19:11 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (raleigh-021.interpath.net [207.59.1.21]) by mail-hub.interpath.net (8.6.12/8.6.14) with SMTP id TAA09196; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:18:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:18:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199608052318.TAA09196@mail-hub.interpath.net> X-Sender: banbury@mail.interpath.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Larry Gushee , Think Pad From: "Robert L. Guthrie" Subject: Re: TP701 internal modem in France I used my 701CS in Paris with no problem. I used the Compuserve network. Got phone jack connector from Radio Shack. Good luck.> Robert L. Guthrie Associated Insurers, Inc. 919-781-4428 (home) 919-781-0959 (work) 919-781-6706 (FAX) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:10:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA033825426; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:10:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09534; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:28:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:26:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09400; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:26:34 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09392; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:26:31 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA21680; Wed, 7 Aug 96 01:23:21 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 01:23:21 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608070523.AA21680@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 150 Mhz thinkpad "That's OS/2. Win95 will bring everything right back. You may not actually *hold* a connection like telnet depending on the length of time suspended, since the *server* will close the session on your client." Right, exactly, everything comes back, in OS/2 as well, but the connection is gone, so that's not much use. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:10:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA033855427; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:10:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09029; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:16:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:12:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08682; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:12:18 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08669; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:12:13 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uo0uW-001BhdC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:12 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960807051228.0096c104@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 23:12:28 -0600 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: 150 Mhz thinkpad At 12:07 AM 8/7/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >the trouble with swapping the internal floppy is that my machine suspends >if I do this, and that means I lose communications -- again that may be >just due to OS/2 limitations. I have not run Win95 on my TP. That's OS/2. Win95 will bring everything right back. You may not actually *hold* a connection like telnet depending on the length of time suspended, since the *server* will close the session on your client. ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:10:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA033885429; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:10:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09916; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:33:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:32:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09783; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:32:06 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09777; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:32:02 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uo1Dj-001BhYC; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:31 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960807053218.009349dc@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 23:32:18 -0600 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), dewar@gnat.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: 150 Mhz thinkpad At 01:23 AM 8/7/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >"That's OS/2. Win95 will bring everything right back. You may not actually >*hold* a connection like telnet depending on the length of time suspended, >since the *server* will close the session on your client." > >Right, exactly, everything comes back, in OS/2 as well, but the connection >is gone, so that's not much use. Now, wait! NetBIOS and IPX connections should still be there. Telnets go bye-bye. ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:10:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA034005441; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:10:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04981; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:12:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:10:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04623; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:10:39 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04609; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:10:35 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA20981; Wed, 7 Aug 96 00:07:19 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 00:07:19 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608070407.AA20981@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, nmclean@pcug.org.au, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 150 Mhz thinkpad the trouble with swapping the internal floppy is that my machine suspends if I do this, and that means I lose communications -- again that may be just due to OS/2 limitations. I have not run Win95 on my TP. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:10:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA034035443; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:10:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04680; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:10:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:08:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04311; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:08:32 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04301; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:08:29 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA20958; Wed, 7 Aug 96 00:05:04 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 00:05:04 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608070405.AA20958@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, nmclean@pcug.org.au, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 150 Mhz thinkpad "Hotswapping items in the ultrabay of a 760CD, like the floppy and CD, =IS= suppo rted, just not under OS/2 warp 3.0 though unfortunately. Under windows I have done it many times." You misunderstand, of course you can hot swap in the ultrabay, what you cannot do, at least according to the documentation, is to plug and unplug the external floppy. Of course the documentation may be incorrect, but I never tried disobeying it. As to the heat, 760's may vary, but the 760CD I am typing on now is hot enough to burn your hand (I have!) if you touch the hottest part of the underside of the case. The Tecra runs much cooler, and so far the fan never turned on (it would turn on I assume if it got really hot!) Judging by the amount of email I get following up my posts on the Tecra vs TP, I think that quite a few people are interested in this comparison. For me the Tecra is definitely superior, but as I have noted there are many differences and plusses and minuses on each side, so it is something you have to decide for yourself. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:11:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA034075461; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:11:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02668; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:48:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:47:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02538; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:47:01 -0400 Received: from ts71.pcug.org.au (ts71.pcug.org.au [203.10.76.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02522; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:46:42 -0400 From: Received: by ts71.pcug.org.au (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0031; Wed, 07 Aug 96 13:46:27 -0700 Message-Id: <9608072046.AA0031@ts71.pcug.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 13:44:45 +1000 To: dewar@gnat.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 150 Mhz thinkpad X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <26_117_4_839439885> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > "It works on my 760CD, under Win95 and Linux..." > > (hot plugging the external floppy) > > Oh sorry, I was talking about swapping the internal floppy! I have been referring to the =internal= floppy. /************************************************/ /* | Scuba Diving: */ /* Neil Mclean | Down Under in a */ /* Canberra, Australia | Land Down Under */ /************************************************/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:11:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA034165463; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:11:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02305; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:44:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:37:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01690; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:37:28 -0400 Received: from ts71.pcug.org.au (ts71.pcug.org.au [203.10.76.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01655; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:37:07 -0400 From: Received: by ts71.pcug.org.au (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0029; Wed, 07 Aug 96 13:36:33 -0700 Message-Id: <9608072036.AA0029@ts71.pcug.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 12:58:45 +1000 To: dewar@gnat.com, hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 150 Mhz thinkpad X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <26_117_4_839437125> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'day Dewar, Dewar said, > The floppy on the Tecra hot plugs -- this was definitely NOT true on the > 760CD, I am not sure about the 760E. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Definitely" is such a definite word. :) And in this case you are definitely wrong. Hotswapping items in the ultrabay of a 760CD, like the floppy and CD, =IS= supported, just not under OS/2 warp 3.0 though unfortunately. Under windows I have done it many times. In the announcements for OS/2 Warp 4.0 (Merlin) support for hot swapping in ThinkPads is listed as a new feature of the new operating system. Don't be quite so "definite" next time, it is quite misleading. > Tecra runs much cooler than 760CD, and has feet, but again, who knows if > the 760CD is a guide to the 760E in this respect. Is my memory accurate? I seem to remember you writing once that the tecra has a fan to keep it cool. I am glad my 760CD doesn't have a fan. Surely you have seen inside any PC with a fan, the huge collection of dust inside after just a few months. Sure the 760 runs very warm, but in my opinion not "hot". Certainly not warm enough to imply problems will arise due to overheating. Sometimes I leave my 760CD on 24hrs a day, sometimes on my lap (never uncomfortably warm) and sometimes on a wooden table (leaving a barely detectable above ambient temp behind). I sincerely doubt the claim (yours?) that the heat output of a 760CD could cause a split in a wooden table. I have been reading all you (and someone else?) have had to say about the new tecras that you have bought. Til now I have ignored it all thinking that you'd eventually tire of the seemingly endless comparisons you seem to need to draw. It is as if you are insecure in your choice of a non-thinkpad notebook and are driven to make comparisons, and subtle put-downs of the thinkpad, to satisfy yourself that you made a good choice. My opinion: If you are choosing between a thinkpad and a tecra you cannot make a bad choice. Good luck to you. Enjoy your tecra. I am not at all interested in it myself. This is a thinkpad list. I am not the moderator. My thoughts are my own. /************************************************/ /* | Scuba Diving: */ /* Neil Mclean | Down Under in a */ /* Canberra, Australia | Land Down Under */ /************************************************/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:12:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA035555578; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:12:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18538; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:24:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:21:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18363; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:21:16 -0400 Received: from mail2.pilot.net (mail2.pilot.net [198.232.147.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18355; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:21:13 -0400 From: Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail2.pilot.net with SMTP id RAA03131 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 207e2910; Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:25:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:24:57 -0700 Message-Id: <207e2910@ima.jud.ca.gov> Subject: 701 and PC Card Services To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I just added a Megahertz 10BaseT PC card to my 701. I am quite confused because EZPlay reports that the card is not ready. However, if I actually load-up the Netware ODI drivers, the card (and then my Thinkpad) talks to the network. I suppose that I shouldn't complain if the card is working. But is there any good reason why IBM's Card services through both DOS and Win 3.11 report the card as "Not Ready"? Thanks, Mitchell mitchell_yee@jud.ca.gov From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:13:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA035585585; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:13:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13086; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:54:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:52:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12900; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:52:37 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12894; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:52:32 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA28023 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:52:21 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA10219; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:52:19 +1000 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:52:17 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: win95 and pcmcia Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII anyone have the problem of not getting the pcmcia cards when installing win95 over wfwg 3.11, on a thinkpad 755CE? the thinkpad card program just doesn't detect them, in this case a new media bustoaster and an ibm ethernet card. suggestions welcomed. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:13:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA035615586; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:13:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10391; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:18:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:15:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10192; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:15:42 -0400 Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu (uconnvm.uconn.edu [137.99.26.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10174; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:15:37 -0400 Received: from oasis.vpia.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 06 Aug 96 18:14:27 EDT Received: from OASIS/MERCURYQ by oasis.vpia.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.21); 6 Aug 96 18:18:51 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by OASIS (Mercury 1.21); 6 Aug 96 18:18:43 EST From: "Guy W. Farrell" Organization: The UConn Foundation, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:18:42 EST Subject: Re: Thinkpad Active Matrix: long-term pixel death? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <3D6043A112C@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu> > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:14:11 -0500 (CDT) > From: Harry Seaman > > On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Steve Rodrigues wrote: > > > This brings up the question of: how reliable, long-term, are IBM's active- > > matrix screens? Obviously, it will die in the end, but should I expect more > > They are all alive and well in my 750C. > I have a fleet of TPs, Toshiba's, and even a couple odd (indestructable) Dell's. None of which have lost a pixel during their lifetime except to the occasional abuse. I seem to recall someone posting the OEMs for these displays round acout the time of the Kobe earthquake. So many of the TFT's are produced by so few companies. I believe IBM and Toshiba use some, if not all, the same suppliers. Guy W. Farrell Network Coordinator (860)486-5000 The UConn Foundation, Inc. (800)269-9965 U-Box 206 Fax: (860)486-1615 Storrs, CT 06269-4190 E-mail: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu Computer Support for Institutional Advancement ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:13:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA035645588; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:13:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12914; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:52:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:50:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12689; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:50:31 -0400 Received: from biobase.dk (biobase.dk [130.225.13.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12679; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:50:28 -0400 Received: by biobase.dk; id AA13640; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:50:20 +0200 From: Paulo Magalhaes Message-Id: <9608062250.AA13640@biobase.dk> Subject: Re: Couldn't resist it! To: wdunn@leopard.com (Will Dunn / Leopard Communications) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:50:19 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608060327.VAA17533@ns1.netone.com> from "Will Dunn / Leopard Communications" at Aug 5, 96 09:27:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text --- Will Dunn / Leopard Communications wrote: > > >My apologies for the waste of bandwidth, but I couln't resist sharing > >this with the rest of the list... > > > >"" > >Subject: IBM and the Bantu > > > >KABINDA, ZAIRE--In a move IBM officers are hailing as a major step > >in the company's ongoing worldwide telecommunications revolution, > >M'wana Ndeti, a member of Zaire's Bantu tribe, used an IBM global > >uplink network modem yesterday to crush a nut. > > S N I P > > > This originally appeared in _The Onion_, an off color, satire of a > newspaper. They deserve the credit for the work. > > --wwd > > > Will Dunn > Leopard Communications > Boulder, CO > http://www.leopard.com > > I didn't mean to take credit for it - neither does the way I presented it to the list imply that I had anything to do with its creation. The "article" was sent to me and I found it so funny that I couldn't resist sharing it with the other members of the ThinkPad list. I had no idea regarding its origin. Many thanks for the addendum. Hope nobody got too offended... -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:13:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA035815605; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:13:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29285; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:19:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:14:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28559; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:14:28 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28547; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:14:22 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id PAA05894; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:16:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id PAA28166; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:14:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:14:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Steve Rodrigues Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Active Matrix: long-term pixel death? In-Reply-To: <199608061747.KAA28178@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Steve Rodrigues wrote: > This brings up the question of: how reliable, long-term, are IBM's active- > matrix screens? Obviously, it will die in the end, but should I expect more They are all alive and well in my 750C. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:13:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA035875607; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:13:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29391; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:20:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:18:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28968; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:18:23 -0400 Received: from unix.asb.com (root@unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28936; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:18:03 -0400 Received: from sls28.asb.com (sls28.asb.com [165.254.128.38]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24239; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:27:14 -0400 From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: Brian Katz Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IRDA transfer software for OS/2 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 20:18:18 GMT Organization: Just me and I'm not organized Message-Id: <320b205c.8849735@unix.asb.com> References: <199608050522.XAA11712@ns1.netone.com> In-Reply-To: <199608050522.XAA11712@ns1.netone.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/16.275 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LinkWiz works well under OS/2 and I could be wrong but my understanding of the IR port was that it was addressable as a com port. On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:22:55 -0600 (MDT), you wrote: >>Does anyone know of any OS/2 software which will work like laplink, >>and also supports the IRDA port? >> >>-Brian > > >I am told that there is a peer-to-peer type software included in the Bogus, >er, I mean, Bonus Pak of Warp Blue and on the Warp Connect CD, although I >have not used it to make sure that it indeed works. I don't believe that is >supports IR. I have used Lap Link 5.0 for DOS with good results, however. >LL 6.0 for Windows will not run in a Win-OS2 session. > >Good luck. > >--wwd >Will Dunn >Leopard Communications >Boulder, CO >http://www.leopard.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 04:13:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA036015612; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 04:13:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15341; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:48:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:46:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15152; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:46:14 -0400 Received: from chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15142; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:46:08 -0400 Received: (from steverod@localhost) by chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA28178 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:47:40 -0700 From: Steve Rodrigues Message-Id: <199608061747.KAA28178@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Thinkpad Active Matrix: long-term pixel death? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:47:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Last night and this morning, I got to watch a pixel in the middle of my 701's screen die - well, partially die. It looks fated to turn into a bright red pixel, now, and is located in an amazingly annoying place. (The 701 is 10 months old.) This brings up the question of: how reliable, long-term, are IBM's active- matrix screens? Obviously, it will die in the end, but should I expect more pixels to die in the near future (say, a year), or is this pixel death an anomaly? Has anyone else out there experienced something like this? Steve saddened and annoyed by the bright red spot in the middle of the screen -- Steve Rodrigues | Lost, yesterday, somewhere between sunrise and Expatriate Texan | sunset, two golden hours, each set with sixty UC Berkeley, Dept. of EECS | diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for they steverod@cs.berkeley.edu | are gone forever. -- Horace Mann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 06:40:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA069534413; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:40:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04499; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:39:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:32:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04132; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:32:46 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04126; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:32:44 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id GAA13452 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA4625; Wed, 07 Aug 96 06:26:16 -0700 Message-Id: <9608071326.AA4625@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 6FB8976710773FA08525637F00393884; Wed, 7 Aug 96 06:26:13 EDT To: Alden S Klovdahl Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 7 Aug 96 6:29:30 EDT Subject: Re: win95 and pcmcia X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...anyone have the problem of not getting the pcmcia cards when installing win95 over wfwg 3.11, on a thinkpad 755CE? the thinkpad card program just doesn't detect them, in this case a new media bustoaster and an ibm ethernet card...." ~~~~~ assuming you've wiped out your autoexec.bat & config.sys, and enabled pcmcia support, i've seen this same problem on a two thinkpads. i was able to pinpoint it to a resource conflict & the simple solution was to go into device manager & disable (not remove) the ide controller. after that, the cards came right up. don't ask my why changing the resources on the ide controller didn't work, it just didn't. "all this science, i don't understand. it's just my job five days a week." hope this helps. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 08:18:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA076490313; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:18:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09778; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:18:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:13:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08896; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:13:27 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08890; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:13:25 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19803; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:10:17 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:10:17 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608071210.AA19803@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 150 Mhz thinkpad "Now, wait! NetBIOS and IPX connections should still be there. Telnets go bye-bye." I was talking about modem connections, where the carrier drops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 08:52:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA086382363; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:52:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12781; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:51:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:48:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12239; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:48:34 -0400 Received: from sabine.acs.psu.edu (sabine.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12230; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:48:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199608071248.IAA12230@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by sabine.acs.psu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02083; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:48:26 -0400 From: Brian Katz Subject: Re: IRDA transfer software for OS/2 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:48:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded message: From katz Wed Aug 7 08:47:41 1996 Subject: Re: IRDA transfer software for OS/2 To: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:47:41 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <320b205c.8849735@unix.asb.com> from "Joseph Christie" at Aug 6, 96 08:18:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1341 : :LinkWiz works well under OS/2 and I could be wrong but my understanding of the : IR port was that it was addressable as a com port. Does LinkWiz need null modem cables? This is my concern with the IRDA port. There is the question wether it is "wired" as a straigth through cable or null modem cable, which will effect whether or not it works with many programs. SO, I would not assume that it work with "anything" which uses the serial port. -Brian : : On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:22:55 -0600 (MDT), you wrote: : >>Does anyone know of any OS/2 software which will work like laplink, : >>and also supports the IRDA port? : >> : >>-Brian : > : > : >I am told that there is a peer-to-peer type software included in the Bogus, : >er, I mean, Bonus Pak of Warp Blue and on the Warp Connect CD, although I : >have not used it to make sure that it indeed works. I don't believe that is : >supports IR. I have used Lap Link 5.0 for DOS with good results, however. : >LL 6.0 for Windows will not run in a Win-OS2 session. : > -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 14:26:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA127042370; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:26:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12926; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:25:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:18:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11957; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:18:53 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11936; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:18:45 -0400 Received: from localhost.hooked.net (cap@bass.hooked.net [206.80.6.41]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00598 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3208DE6F.4990@hooked.net> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 11:20:31 -0700 From: blg X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Need help using a 755CDV w/an overhead projector References: <199608071746.NAA09343@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We recently purchased a thinkpad 755 CDV at work for use in presentations. On paper it sounds perfect--snap off the back of the screen and lay it down on an ordinary projector. Unfortunately, while the quality of the laptop screen is excellent (both with and without the backing), the quality of the projection is awful, very very fuzzy. Moving the screen closer and further from the projector doesn't seem to help, even with the screen touching the platform of the projector it is still too fuzzy to read ordinary type on the screen. Does anyone have any experience with these lcd screens?? Any and all advice will be greatly appreciated... Beth Goldstein CCSF From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 14:28:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA127822496; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:28:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13306; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:27:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:26:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13024; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:25:59 -0400 Received: from adept.qualcomm.com (adept.qualcomm.com [129.46.50.81]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13011; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:25:56 -0400 Received: from gjacobs.qualcomm.com (dhcp-820776696.qualcomm.com [129.46.122.134]) by adept.qualcomm.com (8.7.5/1.3d/8.7.2/1.10) with SMTP id LAA13981 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0a8.32.19960807112138.006fc1a0@adept> X-Sender: gjacobs@adept X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0a8 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 11:21:40 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Gary E. Jacobs" Subject: Delta offers inflight laptop power Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Delta Air Lines announced today that it will offer inflight power sources for laptop computers. The EmPower' In-Seat Power Supply system will be available to first class passengers on its "Spirit of Delta" Boeing 767 jet for a six month test. Gary Jacobs gjacobs@qualcomm.com Senior Software Engineer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 14:38:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA128883129; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:38:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14414; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:38:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:36:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14247; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:36:43 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14240; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:36:40 -0400 Received: from lee.market1.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uoDT6-001C3iC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:36 MDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:36 MDT X-Sender: lee@rmii.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: blg , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: lee@rmii.com (Lee Stewart) Subject: Re: Need help using a 755CDV w/an overhead projector >Unfortunately, while >the quality of the laptop screen is excellent (both with and without the >backing), the quality of the projection is awful, very very fuzzy. We have a CDV here in the office and use it for that a lot. The one thing that comes to mind is that the focus for the LCD is a lot different than for a transparancy. Try adjusting the focus on the projector. (Moving it closer or farther from the wall ususally won't be enough.) Lee Stewart From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 15:07:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA133284825; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:07:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17713; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:06:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:04:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17265; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:04:29 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17257; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:04:24 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id MAA12521; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:04:12 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma839444651.012518; Wed Aug 7 12:04:11 1996 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (annex-sj4-22.cadence.com [158.140.31.32]) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA03898; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:04:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:04:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199608071904.MAA03898@cds9258.cadence.com> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: blg From: Don Perley Subject: Re: Need help using a 755CDV w/an overhead projector Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 11:20 AM 8/7/96 -0700, blg wrote: >Moving the screen closer and further from the projector doesn't seem to >help, even with the screen touching the platform of the projector it is >still too fuzzy to read ordinary type on the screen. Does anyone have >any experience with these lcd screens?? Just to eliminate the obvious first... For this type of device you have to use a projector with the light source in the base. If the light source is in the head and the light reflected off the base, so it goes through the LCD twice, it will be blurry. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 16:10:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA139498599; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:09:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23571; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:08:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:05:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23190; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:05:48 -0400 Received: from balder-int.ssds.com (balder.ssds.com [204.131.72.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23175; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:05:43 -0400 Received: by balder-int.ssds.com; id AA06787; Wed, 7 Aug 96 13:08:56 MDT Received: from denver.ssds.com(134.127.16.1) by balder.ssds.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma006777; Wed, 7 Aug 96 13:08:48 -0600 Received: by denver.ssds.com id NAA26925; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:09:25 -0600 (MDT) From: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com (Christopher Liljenstolpe) To: "Gary E. Jacobs" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Delta offers inflight laptop power Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 19:04:55 GMT Sender: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Organization: SSDS, Inc. Reply-To: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Message-Id: <3208e891.13784837@denver.ssds.com> References: <3.0a8.32.19960807112138.006fc1a0@adept> In-Reply-To: <3.0a8.32.19960807112138.006fc1a0@adept> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Greetings, American anounced a similar service (starting this fall) for their First and Buisness class seats. I forgot what airframes would get it, but I assume their widebodies (767, DC10, MD11) at least. -=Chris On Wed, 07 Aug 1996 11:21:40 -0700, the sage "Gary E. Jacobs" scribed: >Delta Air Lines announced today that it will offer inflight power sources >for laptop computers. The EmPower' In-Seat Power Supply system will be >available to first class passengers on its "Spirit of Delta" Boeing 767 jet >for a six month test. >Gary Jacobs >gjacobs@qualcomm.com >Senior Software Engineer > > -- ( ( | ( Chris Liljenstolpe ) ) (| ), inc. SSDS, Inc; 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd.; Suite 993 business driven Bloomington, MN 55437; technology solutions TEL 612.921.2392 FAX 612.921.2395 Fram Fram Free! PGP Key 1024/E8546BD5 FE 43 BD A6 3C 13 6C DB 89 B3 E4 A1 BF 6D 2A A9 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 17:25:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA150983112; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:25:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00765; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:24:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:21:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00302; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:21:02 -0400 Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00287; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:20:59 -0400 Received: (from ping@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA19659; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:21:03 -0700 From: Ping Mai Message-Id: <199608072121.OAA19659@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: FYI: Great RAM prices To: msrussel@ingr.com (Russell Mark S) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Russell, Mark S" at Jul 31, 96 03:44:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does this type of memory work on a 701? > > FYI, > > I just purchased a 16MB EDO RAM chip from The Chip Merchant for my 760C > and it only cost $155. Seems to be working fine. I dealt with Nora; she > was very easy to work with. > > You can find their web page at www.thechipmerchant.com > > If you order from there make extra sure they have quoted you the correct > module for your machine. They originally sent me the wrong chip, but the > correct one ended up being cheaper and they're sending me a refund for > the difference. > > > > > Mark Russell > Intergraph Corp. > msrussel@ingr.com > (205) 730-7233 > > > ping From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 18:17:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA158256227; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:17:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05087; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:16:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:15:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04872; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:15:16 -0400 Received: from lotus.com (lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04866; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:15:13 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd2.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA27543; Wed, 7 Aug 96 18:52:54 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29382; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:07:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9608072207.AA29382@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.03 Beta) id 7229F514DDFBC0B48525637F007974E6; Wed, 7 Aug 96 18:07:24 EDT To: thinkpad From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus Date: 7 Aug 96 18:08:28 EDT Subject: 755cx & NT 4.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Anyone know where to find video drivers that support 800x600x64k ??? Best I can do out of the box is 800x600x256 or 640x480x64k .... Many thanks, -Bill From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 18:22:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA158926576; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:22:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05692; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:22:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:19:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05227; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:19:02 -0400 Received: from franklin.cris.com (franklin.cris.com [199.3.12.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05221; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:18:59 -0400 Received: from cliff.cris.com (cliff.cris.com [199.3.12.45]) by franklin.cris.com (8.7.5/(96/06/11 2.45)) id SAA16195; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:18:44 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from thinkpad-755cx (cnc13736.concentric.net [199.3.117.170]) by cliff.cris.com (8.7.5) id SAA04293; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608072217.SAA04293@cliff.cris.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:18:23 +0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Li-Ion Battery... Reply-To: phong@cris.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Okay, before I even start, I want to apologize for probably bringing up a topic that has been exhausted to death in this forum. So, please instead of wasting bandwidth, I am truly sorry for posting this request for info if you had seen it once too many times... :( I have a Thinkpad 755CX with the Li-Ion battery. My understanding of these batteries is that they do not have the problem of *memory* and maintains the charge much longer. Coupled with the little fuel gauge program to discharge and recharge the battery, I thought this battery would serve me well past the 1 year that I've had it up to now. Needless to say, here are the problems I'm having: * battery last only 40-45 minutes after charging; * fuel gauge doesn't progressivly monitor levels of charging; * fuel gauge doesn't progressivly monitor levels of discharing, and * my stress factor is increasing! :) Any help on how I can *re-condition* my battery would be appreciated, if that is at all possible. ... patrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@concentric.net (613) 769-1544 Tel phong@connectinc.com (613) 728-4063 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 18:31:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA160847083; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:31:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06621; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:30:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:28:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06246; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:28:53 -0400 Received: from Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil (SEOUL-PSD.KOREA.ARMY.MIL [144.59.100.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06233; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:28:46 -0400 Received: by Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB84FB.2EF92C00@Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil>; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:28:24 +0900 Message-Id: From: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" To: "'Thinkpad'" Subject: FW: FYI: Great RAM prices Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:28:19 +0900 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 47 TEXT Anyone have an email for The Chip Merchant. None listed on their web page. I've got a few questions for them and calling from Korea gets expensive. Anyone know if they take trades, i.e. 8 Mb SODIMM -> 16 Mb for a 701C. Also want to make sure their memory is compatible w/ my machine. TIA, Scott sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil >---------- >From: Ping Mai[SMTP:ping@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU] >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 1996 6:21 AM >To: msrussel@ingr.com >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: FYI: Great RAM prices > >Does this type of memory work on a 701? > >> >> FYI, >> >> I just purchased a 16MB EDO RAM chip from The Chip Merchant for my 760C >> and it only cost $155. Seems to be working fine. I dealt with Nora; she >> was very easy to work with. >> >> You can find their web page at www.thechipmerchant.com >> >> If you order from there make extra sure they have quoted you the correct >> module for your machine. They originally sent me the wrong chip, but the >> correct one ended up being cheaper and they're sending me a refund for >> the difference. >> >> >> >> >> Mark Russell >> Intergraph Corp. >> msrussel@ingr.com >> (205) 730-7233 >> >> >> > >ping > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 18:31:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA160887089; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:31:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06610; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:30:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:28:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06221; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:28:39 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06214; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:28:36 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA10183; Wed, 7 Aug 96 18:25:28 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 18:25:28 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608072225.AA10183@nile.gnat.com> To: phong@cris.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Li-Ion Battery... how many times have you charged and discharged the batteries, batteries do not last for ever! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 18:39:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA161577593; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:39:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07357; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:39:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:38:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07237; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:38:28 -0400 Received: from balder-int.ssds.com (balder.ssds.com [204.131.72.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07223; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:38:20 -0400 Received: by balder-int.ssds.com; id AA11770; Wed, 7 Aug 96 16:37:34 MDT Received: from denver.ssds.com(134.127.16.1) by balder.ssds.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma011767; Wed, 7 Aug 96 16:37:31 -0600 Received: by denver.ssds.com id QAA15416; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:38:07 -0600 (MDT) From: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com (Christopher Liljenstolpe) To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: phong@cris.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Li-Ion Battery... Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 22:33:36 GMT Sender: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Organization: SSDS, Inc. Reply-To: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Message-Id: <32091985.26318707@denver.ssds.com> References: <9608072225.AA10183@nile.gnat.com> In-Reply-To: <9608072225.AA10183@nile.gnat.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Greetings, Li-Ion is not nearly as "durable" as NiMH or NiCd, i.e. it does not last as many charge/discharge cycles as Ni based batteries. -=Chris On Wed, 7 Aug 96 18:25:28 EDT, the sage dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) scribed: >how many times have you charged and discharged the batteries, batteries >do not last for ever! > -- ( ( | ( Chris Liljenstolpe ) ) (| ), inc. SSDS, Inc; 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd.; Suite 993 business driven Bloomington, MN 55437; technology solutions TEL 612.921.2392 FAX 612.921.2395 Fram Fram Free! PGP Key 1024/E8546BD5 FE 43 BD A6 3C 13 6C DB 89 B3 E4 A1 BF 6D 2A A9 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 18:47:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA164518064; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:47:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08082; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:47:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:46:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07937; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:46:18 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07931; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:46:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.hooked.net (sole.hooked.net [206.80.6.47]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20463 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <32091D30.1D5A@hooked.net> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 15:48:16 -0700 From: blg X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Update: Using a 755CDV w/an overhead projector References: <199608071746.NAA09343@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanx for the repsonses so far, unfortunately I've already tried adjusting the focus and I am using a base-lit projector... Anything else?? Beth From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 19:28:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA174570499; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:28:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10074; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:27:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:25:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09925; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:25:44 -0400 Received: from golden.net (root@golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09901; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:25:36 -0400 From: Received: from Default (startnet@swo-77.golden.org [199.166.210.77]) by golden.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA06094 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:22:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:22:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199608072322.TAA06094@golden.net> X-Sender: bivanovi@pop.golden.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Battery Care.. My thinkpad spends most of its life on the desk (70%+). In order to ensure greatest useable life, is it better to run it down while using it on the desk once in a while, or is it better to run it on AC while on the desk? P.S. My TP is a 701 with NiMH Thanks, Boris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 19:35:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA175710944; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:35:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10606; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:35:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:33:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10401; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:33:10 -0400 Received: from franklin.cris.com (franklin.cris.com [199.3.12.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10394; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:32:58 -0400 Received: from cliff.cris.com (cliff.cris.com [199.3.12.45]) by franklin.cris.com (8.7.5/(96/06/11 2.45)) id TAA27645; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:32:48 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from thinkpad-755cx (cnc13736.concentric.net [199.3.117.170]) by cliff.cris.com (8.7.5) id TAA03281; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608072331.TAA03281@cliff.cris.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:32:43 +0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Li-Ion Battery... Reply-To: phong@cris.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) > Greetings, > > Li-Ion is not nearly as "durable" as NiMH or NiCd, i.e. it > does not last as many charge/discharge cycles as Ni based batteries. > > -=Chris > > On Wed, 7 Aug 96 18:25:28 EDT, the sage dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) > scribed: > > >how many times have you charged and discharged the batteries, batteries > >do not last for ever! > > Interesting... I never knew that about Li-Ion batteries. I would say given over the course of a year, about three times a week, so 52x3 = 106. I use this computer constantly because like most of us, it's my lifeline for work. So, if I get the general jist of it, I'm probably looking at buying a new battery then? ... patrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@concentric.net (613) 769-1544 Tel phong@connectinc.com (613) 728-4063 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 19:48:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA177131701; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:48:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11297; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:48:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:46:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11177; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:46:57 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11171; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:46:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id TAA18069; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:47:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:47:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: bivanovi@golden.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery Care.. In-Reply-To: <199608072322.TAA06094@golden.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 1996 bivanovi@golden.net wrote: > My thinkpad spends most of its life on the desk (70%+). In order to ensure > greatest useable life, is it better to run it down while using it on the desk > once in a while, or is it better to run it on AC while on the desk? > > P.S. My TP is a 701 with NiMH I've left my 701 on AC from January to July with a full discharge maybe once every two weeks. The 701's battery seems to hold its charge much better than the 7x0 series' battery, so leaving it on AC doesn't seem to hurt it. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 20:29:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA181314160; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:29:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13674; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:28:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:26:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13489; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:26:37 -0400 Received: from elaine47.Stanford.EDU (elaine47.Stanford.EDU [36.218.0.95]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13481; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:26:34 -0400 Received: (from mikeihl@localhost) by elaine47.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25747 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Keihl Message-Id: <199608080026.RAA25747@elaine47.Stanford.EDU> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Hello, This is my first posting to this list. I'm hoping to become a ThinkPad owner ;-). For my first laptop I'm considering the ThinkPad 365XD (Model 2625DEF). I'm planning to use it on my train commute for Email, scheduling, surfing, and games. Anyway, I'd appreciate any advice anyone can give about this machine (whether you're an owner, or not). I know it's missing some of the "nice" features like Ultrabay, Li-Ion battery, etc. For Windows95 I would definitely want to upgrade to 16M RAM, right? Thanks, Mike Keihl mikeihl@leland.stanford.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 20:42:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA182494938; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:42:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14725; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:41:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:39:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14503; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:39:30 -0400 Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14497; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:39:27 -0400 Received: (from ping@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA10880 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:40:04 -0700 From: Ping Mai Message-Id: <199608080040.RAA10880@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: number for PC's Compleat? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's the phone# for PC's Compleat? ping From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 7 22:03:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA191309813; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:03:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20278; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:02:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:00:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19875; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:00:06 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19845; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:00:01 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA26683; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:59:35 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA12758; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:59:32 +1000 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:59:29 +1000 (EST) To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: tp750 Subject: Re: win95 and pcmcia In-Reply-To: <9608071326.AA4623@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII michael - thanks again for the suggestion. unfortunately it did not work. any other suggestions welcomed. regards, al our computer support person keeps telling me to switch to toshiba or digital (dec) ... ANYTHING BUT IBM! he says he has installed win95 on many machines around the campus and my thinkpad 755CE - which may well be the only one on the campus - is the only one that has given him problems - several days of trying without success. up-dating everything, bios, drivers, etc etc. but all without success. Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On 7 Aug 1996, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: > "...anyone have the problem of not getting the pcmcia cards when installing > win95 > over wfwg 3.11, on a thinkpad 755CE? the thinkpad card program just doesn't > detect them, in this case a new media bustoaster and an ibm ethernet card...." > > ~~~~~ > assuming you've wiped out your autoexec.bat & config.sys, and enabled pcmcia > support, i've seen this same problem on a two thinkpads. i was able to > pinpoint it to a resource conflict & the simple solution was to go into device > manager & disable (not remove) the ide controller. after that, the cards came > right up. don't ask my why changing the resources on the ide controller didn't > work, it just didn't. "all this science, i don't understand. it's just my job > five days a week." > > hope this helps. > > Michael J. Verne > Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group > michael_verne@vmedia.com > http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ > ------------------------------- > If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor > in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 01:03:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA109740603; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:03:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01440; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:02:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:53:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00909; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:53:47 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00903; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:53:44 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uoN62-001BszC; Wed, 7 Aug 96 22:53 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960808045350.0094da38@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 22:53:50 -0600 To: Alden S Klovdahl From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: win95 and pcmcia Cc: tp750 At 11:59 AM 8/8/96 +1000, Alden S Klovdahl wrote: >michael - thanks again for the suggestion. unfortunately it did not work. Now wait a minute... Do you have a config.sys or autoexec.bat file? If so, rename them for this exercise. Then, go into Control Panel | System | Performance. Does it say you're using 32-bit PCMCIA drivers (I'm betting it doesn't). If not, get them loaded (follow the instructions from there). Then reboot (remember, no config.sys or autoexec.bat). Report back once you've done that! ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 02:39:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA117016372; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:39:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06939; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:38:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:32:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06500; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:32:25 -0400 Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06494; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:32:23 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id af03362; 8 Aug 96 7:32 +0100 Received: from c4rv.demon.co.uk ([158.152.168.2]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa13778; 8 Aug 96 7:29 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:27:10 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rajesh Varia Subject: Re: Power adapter for a TP in Poland In-Reply-To: <3CF92DF1F9F@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <3CF92DF1F9F@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu>, "Guy W. Farrell" writes >> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 05:17:36 -0400 (EDT) >> From: Waldemar Puszkarz >> >> I am going to Poland next year and would like to use my TP 700 there. >> Because of this I will need a different power cord than the one I use in >> the US. > >On that note... >Is there are listing of various power adapter do's and don'ts around? >Some of my execs have been running afar recently to England, China, >etc. None have taken laptops along, but then again most are just >getting used to the idea that their new TPs are not glued to their desks. > The power supply is universal. It works fine in all of Europe, you will need to locate a suitable power supply lead. I'm currently using a US 755cx in the UK for the last 4 months without any problems (apart from having to change the keyboard for 40 quid). This TP has traveled all over Europe, East Asia, Americas and Africa without problems. I just waiting for somebody to take it to Oz to complete its world tour. -- Rajesh Varia raj@c4rv.demon.co.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 03:33:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA121469621; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:33:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11591; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:30:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11262; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:30:35 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11246; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:30:31 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA21303; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:30:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA09807; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:30:13 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA12956; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:30:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:30:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben X-Sender: ben@mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr To: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 and PC Card Services In-Reply-To: <207e2910@ima.jud.ca.gov> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov wrote: > I just added a Megahertz 10BaseT PC card to my 701. I am > quite confused because EZPlay reports that the card is not > ready. However, if I actually load-up the Netware ODI > drivers, the card (and then my Thinkpad) talks to the > network. > > I suppose that I shouldn't complain if the card is working. > But is there any good reason why IBM's Card services through > both DOS and Win 3.11 report the card as "Not Ready"? I was REALLY upset by this, then I discovered that if you attach the card to a hub, it will stop saying, "Not Ready". Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Wow--temperature loopty-loops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 03:47:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA122300433; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:47:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12951; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:46:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:44:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12679; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:44:14 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12642; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:44:10 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA21562; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:44:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA09919; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:44:06 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA12982; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:44:05 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:44:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben X-Sender: ben@mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Marco Polo Subject: Re: Delta offers inflight laptop power In-Reply-To: <3.0a8.32.19960807112138.006fc1a0@adept> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Delta Air Lines announced today that it will offer inflight power sources > for laptop computers. The EmPower' In-Seat Power Supply system will be > available to first class passengers on its "Spirit of Delta" Boeing 767 jet > for a six month test. Excellent! I'll bring the small ether hub and we can all play Doom in First Class! Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Wow--temperature loopty-loops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 03:50:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA122990631; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:50:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13469; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:49:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:47:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13091; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:47:52 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13079; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:47:48 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA21623 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:47:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA09944 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:47:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA12990 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:47:43 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:47:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben X-Sender: ben@mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery Care.. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > P.S. My TP is a 701 with NiMH > > I've left my 701 on AC from January to July with a full discharge > maybe once every two weeks. The 701's battery seems to hold its > charge much better than the 7x0 series' battery, so leaving it on > AC doesn't seem to hurt it. Wow, I'm being very verbose this morning... In any case, yeah, I've noticed much the same thing--I wonder if its because there seems to be a diode implemented in the charging system that keeps the battery from overcharging? I remember when I had a TP500, I overcharged the battery to the point where usuable battery life was around 20 minutes. Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Wow--temperature loopty-loops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 06:27:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA133910066; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 06:27:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01264; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 06:27:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 06:20:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00869; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 06:20:47 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00766; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 06:19:59 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id MAA15201; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:12:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx2.ska.com(198.240.223.100) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma015170; Thu, 8 Aug 96 12:12:02 +0200 Received: from firestorm.foa.ska.com (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx2.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id MAA10465; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:18:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from fs@localhost) by firestorm.foa.ska.com (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) id MAA24214; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:18:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:18:42 +0200 From: Frank Sheeran Message-Id: <199608081018.MAA24214@firestorm.foa.ska.com> To: gjacobs@qualcomm.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Delta offers inflight laptop power This is excellent. Now if the Europe's trains would do the same!!! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 07:51:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA139455117; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:51:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06020; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:51:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:47:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05757; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:47:46 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05751; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:47:41 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id HAA21002 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA7289; Thu, 08 Aug 96 07:41:18 -0700 Message-Id: <9608081441.AA7289@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 24243B283DDABAA785256380003EF871; Thu, 8 Aug 96 07:41:15 EDT To: Alden S Klovdahl Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 8 Aug 96 7:42:22 EDT Subject: Re: win95 and pcmcia X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain at this point, i'd pay ibm the $35 for a win95 incident. they'll stay with you until it's resolved. the only problem is finding someone at ibm who knows that they have per-incident win95 support (most people you speak to there will refer you to boca or, god forbid, microsoft). just call the help line & answer the prompts as if you have an operating system problem on a non-ibm machine (i know it sounds stupid, but it works) then tell the opsys call-taker that you want to buy an incident. if they don't know what you're talking about (very likely), just assure them that it can be done & if they ask around, they'll find someone who knows about it. fwiw, tecras are much less troublesome in win95 than 755's, but toshiba tech support is a maze of phone menus, automated help (i have yet to ever benefit from any automated help anywhere), and non-technical people who will ask you two or three questions, then transfer you without a word to somewhere else in the automated help maze. (ymmv) my co-worker was on the phone with them this week, begging (no lie, begging) to speak with a live technical person, but there were none. nor any managers, nor anyone who could leave their chair to find anyone else to help resolve the problem. menus, prerecorded help, voice mail-- nothing else. turns out that even the dealer knows it's a common problem. just nobody in tech support at toshiba knew (and nothing on their web site about it). ibm's tech support isn't perfect, but it's light years ahead of toshiba's. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 08:05:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA140005908; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:05:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07144; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:04:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:03:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06996; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:03:30 -0400 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06990; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:03:27 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id aa05884; 8 Aug 96 11:59 GMT Received: from filct.demon.co.uk ([158.152.45.167]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa19844; 8 Aug 96 12:59 +0100 From: "Mike O'Carroll" X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: phong@cris.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Li-Ion Battery... Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 12:50:23 BST Message-Id: <9608081250.aa14656@hipass.filct.com> over the course of a year, about three times a week, so 52x3 = 106. I use this Looks like you need a computer! Sorry, couldn't resist :-) Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 13:28:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA100425295; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:28:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05385; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:26:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:21:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04978; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:21:42 -0400 Received: from twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (twins.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04972; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:21:39 -0400 Received: from tty2-15.tc.nd.edu by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with SMTP id MAA14669; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608081657.MAA14669@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> From: "Gabriel Ash" To: "Thinkpad User Group" Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 11:58:06 Reply-To: "Gabriel Ash" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Gabriel Ash's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Power adapter for a TP in Poland I am trying to buy power lines for world-wide use with my TP701. I bought cables for UK ( 4H6905) and for the US (4H6908). The people at IBM part identification cannot agree between themselves on the right part number for thr European power cord to use with the world-wide power--supply. They have contradictory information in the database and in the catalogue. At least that is what I get from them. Can anyone who has one tell me the right part number? ------------- Gabriel Ash Notre-Dame ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 15:07:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA127631269; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:07:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13827; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:02:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:57:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13163; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:57:05 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us ([206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13157; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:57:02 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0uoaEW-00011QC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:55 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:55 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608081657.MAA14669@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> (Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu) Subject: Re: Power adapter for a TP in Poland I have the IBM Mobile Systems Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement, Part Number 19H1258, Form Number S19H-1258-00. This is the supplement for the ThinkPad 701C/701CS. According to it the part numbers of the various power cords are: US, Canada 04H6905 Asia Pacific 04H6906 Latin America 04H6907 Europe 04H6908 Japan 04H6909 David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 17:28:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA212489702; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:28:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26358; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:27:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:22:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25643; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:22:26 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25612; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:22:13 -0400 Received: from liv-11.rust.net (liv-11.rust.net [206.42.195.111]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08236 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960808172422.21ff45fe@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: 701 and PC Card Services At 05:24 PM 8/6/96 -0700, you wrote: > I just added a Megahertz 10BaseT PC card to my 701. I am > quite confused because EZPlay reports that the card is not > ready. However, if I actually load-up the Netware ODI > drivers, the card (and then my Thinkpad) talks to the > network. > > I suppose that I shouldn't complain if the card is working. > But is there any good reason why IBM's Card services through > both DOS and Win 3.11 report the card as "Not Ready"? > > Thanks, > > Mitchell > mitchell_yee@jud.ca.gov > I have included a copy of part of my config.sys file that pertains to the pcmcia stuff. I'm running Win 3.11. Perhaps some of your code is missing or patched out by some other program installer. I have a file on my 701C that came with the machine, documenting each line in the file. One is called config.doc and the other is autoexec.doc DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS I=B000-B7FF X=CC00-CFFF DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=CC00-CFFF /SH=1 DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI rem UN'REM if using pcmcia disk drives b/b rem DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\DISKDRV.SYS REM UN'REM' the following line for PCMCIA ATA support REM UN'REM' the following line for a specific DOS version support REM DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 17:28:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA212519707; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:28:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26365; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:27:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:22:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25567; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:22:03 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25557; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:21:56 -0400 Received: from liv-11.rust.net (liv-11.rust.net [206.42.195.111]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08212 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960808172405.21ff07ca@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Cordless Phones I'd like to start a new thread. Has anyone found a cordless phone with a RJ-11 jack on the portable side, so a person could surf cordless. I have cellular, which works great but due to costs, is not very practical for home surfing. It's a million dollar idea, but does anybody make this phone yet? If my 14 year daughter, who is my battery conditioner, can network with her friends, for hours at a time, then I should be able to wireless surf, too... B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 17:28:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA212639717; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:28:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26370; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:27:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:21:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25494; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:21:03 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25486; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:20:58 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx07-39.teleport.com [206.163.121.167]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19130 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608081655.JAA19130@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: win95 and pcmcia >Return-Path: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >To: Alden S Klovdahl >Cc: tp750 >From: Michael Verne/VENTANA >Date: 8 Aug 96 7:42:22 EDT >Subject: Re: win95 and pcmcia Nice to hear a toshiba service report as there has been so much comparison of hardware. I would like to hear others. Are there other companies with good service-support handling? Complaints of IBM service/support always surprise me as I've had none. Bryan The delighted 701C owner -snip- ibm's tech support isn't perfect, but it's light years ahead >of toshiba's. > > >Michael J. Verne >Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group >michael_verne@vmedia.com >http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ >------------------------------- >If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor >in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 17:45:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA221900714; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:45:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28043; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:44:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:42:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27812; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:42:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27806; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:42:39 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA04334; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:39:33 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:39:33 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608082139.AA04334@nile.gnat.com> To: billb@rust.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cordless Phones I have not found such a cellular phone (with an RJ-11 jack), but you can buy a box that allows you to attach arbitrary RJ-11 devices, e.g. modem, business phone etc, to a cellular -- cost something like $60 for my Motorola elite. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 17:47:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA222550840; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:47:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28344; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:46:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:44:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28074; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:44:44 -0400 Received: from Net1.Net (mailhost.net1.net [204.254.232.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28067; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:44:40 -0400 Received: from mypc.neosoft.com (ppp038.Net1.Net) by Net1.Net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15313; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:28:33 -0500 Message-Id: <320A5FD1.1C41@net1.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:44:49 -0500 From: "David R. Keyes" Organization: Pre-installed Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: email address change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologize in advance for sending this out on the mailing list, but I have lost my instructions for sending subscription information separately. This is a request for the organizer of this mailing list to change my email address from dkeyes@neosoft.com to dkeyes@net1.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 18:21:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA226682872; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:21:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01459; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:20:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:18:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01235; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:18:46 -0400 Received: from cosmos.psc.sc.edu (cosmos.psc.sc.edu [129.252.32.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01226; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:18:43 -0400 Received: from flux.cosm.sc.edu (flux.cosm.sc.edu [129.252.40.13]) by cosmos.psc.sc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA15646; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:18:40 GMT Received: from localhost by flux.cosm.sc.edu (8.6.12) id WAA01706; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:18:45 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz Reply-To: Waldemar Puszkarz To: Gabriel Ash Cc: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Power adapter for a TP in Poland In-Reply-To: <199608081657.MAA14669@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I found some info on the WWW that may help here. (Thanks to Fred Peters for pointing me in the right direction, the first link is due to him.) http://www.travelstuff.com/plug.html http://www.fele.com/fe-power.html http://www.mediatekk.com/web/norway/travel/electricity.html#RTFToC4 Now, as I understand the only relevant thing here is the plug, they are different in different countries. In fact, the first two links give contradictory information on this too, namely the plugs are called either B or D which is obviously not unique. (But notice that the descriptions of the plugs on these pages do coincide very well.) Maybe this is the reason why the guys at IBM are confused too. Or perhaps someone would like to comment on this more and resolve the problem. BTW, you also need an AC converter. Regards, Waldemar On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Gabriel Ash wrote: > > I am trying to buy power lines for world-wide use > with my TP701. I bought > cables for UK ( 4H6905) and for the US (4H6908). > The people at IBM part identification cannot agree between > themselves on the right part number for thr European power > cord to use with the world-wide power--supply. They have > contradictory information in the database and in the catalogue. > At least that is what I get from them. > Can anyone who has one tell me the right part number? > ------------- > Gabriel Ash > Notre-Dame > ------------- > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 18:26:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA227103190; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:26:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02096; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:25:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:24:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01740; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:23:58 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01731; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:23:54 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id RAA27404; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:25:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id RAA14718; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:23:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:23:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Howard Ekman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 750 hard drives In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960808144356.006ca430@198.174.169.5> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII AHA!!! I finally got my 810 meg IBM drive to work in the thinkpad. As I mantioned in previous posts, I suspected it had to do with the drive select jumper settings. Well, I removed hd and ohmed out the connector going to the mother board. The two holes on the end are shorted. Checking the jumper settings for the drive, this corresponds to the MASTER setting, i.e., first of 2 drives. There should be NO pins jumpered. How to "unjumper" the 2 end pins? Clip off one of the pins? No...too risky, what if it didn't work. The leads of the connector are soldered to the underside of the circuit board. So I removed the pcb, and using a VERY fine soldering tip (one made for surface mount work), I lifted one of the leads. Put it back together and VIOLA! BTW, the hd pcb is fastened to the aluminum casting with very small torx screws. Fortunately a regular hex wrench (of the right size) worked ok. The screws were VERY tight. I suspect the problem with the WD AL2540 drive may be the same. A WD tech gaveme the jumper settings for that drive and they are the same. Also, he said that Segueshould have a software fix thay may address this problem, but the folks at segue didn't know anything about it, though "they are checking". I'm going to load up my new, big hard drive. I feel like I just climbed MtEverest. Best regards, harry seaman From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 18:38:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA229613880; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:38:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03013; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:37:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:36:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02889; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:36:01 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02882; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:35:57 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA28516; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:27:58 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA04749; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:27:55 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:27:54 +1000 (EST) To: Steve Hultquist Cc: Btp750 Subject: Re: win95 and pcmcia In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960808045350.0094da38@rmi.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ps steve - when one opens of the card services program or the options tool and looks at the IRQ's none are shown as being spoken for so to speak. (ie, no little black dots in any of them). (same with DMA's). our computer support person spent a day on it with no success. installing - or trying to - win95 over wfwg 3.11. he has done many other (non-IBMs) and not encountered anything like this kind or persistence of problem. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Steve Hultquist wrote: > At 11:59 AM 8/8/96 +1000, Alden S Klovdahl wrote: > >michael - thanks again for the suggestion. unfortunately it did not work. > > Now wait a minute... Do you have a config.sys or autoexec.bat file? If so, > rename them for this exercise. Then, go into Control Panel | System | > Performance. Does it say you're using 32-bit PCMCIA drivers (I'm betting it > doesn't). If not, get them loaded (follow the instructions from there). Then > reboot (remember, no config.sys or autoexec.bat). Report back once you've > done that! > > ssh > -- > Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. > > Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 > Network and systems provider for JavaOne > http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 19:04:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA232905491; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:04:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04900; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:03:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:02:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04725; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:02:28 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04718; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:02:23 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA08787; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:02:12 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA07155; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:02:11 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:02:06 +1000 (EST) To: Gabriel Ash Cc: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Power adapter for a TP in Poland In-Reply-To: <199608081657.MAA14669@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII why don't you buy one 240 power cord and adapters for the other countries? Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Gabriel Ash wrote: > > I am trying to buy power lines for world-wide use > with my TP701. I bought > cables for UK ( 4H6905) and for the US (4H6908). > The people at IBM part identification cannot agree between > themselves on the right part number for thr European power > cord to use with the world-wide power--supply. They have > contradictory information in the database and in the catalogue. > At least that is what I get from them. > Can anyone who has one tell me the right part number? > ------------- > Gabriel Ash > Notre-Dame > ------------- > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 19:04:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA232945498; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:04:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04662; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:01:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:00:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04466; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:00:25 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04449; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:00:18 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA08324; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:00:12 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA07051; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:00:11 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:00:09 +1000 (EST) To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: Alden S Klovdahl , tp750 Subject: Re: win95 and pcmcia In-Reply-To: <9608081441.AA7287@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII thanks michael. actually we started down that path a couple of days ago. it was a bit annoying at first that - unlike say my hewlett-packard printer - i could not just buy an extension to my first years 'helpware' as i recall it is called to deal with problems that arise. but the $35 per problem doesn't sound that bad, and i would even go for the $124 per hour in house work on it by a technician if i could be reasonably sure it would be completely fixed within say a couple of hours at most. actually my experience with ibm's helpware earlier was quite good - though i think there was only one problem i had during the first year. and, when i had a toshiba 1600 some years back my support experience with them through a technical shop in the center of denver was very good. it is good to hear about recent experiences with toshiba. their new 730CDT's are looking very impressive, but after my recent experiences i want to know that there is good support when i need it, even though rarely do i need it. (usually one can find people around campus who can help with most problems; or a list or newsgroup.) but, there is no point in having a crash hot, flash machine or device if the thing won't work and there is no support to be found. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On 8 Aug 1996, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: > at this point, i'd pay ibm the $35 for a win95 incident. they'll stay with you > until it's resolved. the only problem is finding someone at ibm who knows that > they have per-incident win95 support (most people you speak to there will refer > you to boca or, god forbid, microsoft). just call the help line & answer the > etc. > > Michael J. Verne > Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group > michael_verne@vmedia.com > http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ > ------------------------------- > If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor > in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 19:13:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA233475999; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:13:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05655; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:11:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:10:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05380; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:10:05 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05374; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:10:02 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uoeDD-001B9XC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:09 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960808231021.00962ab8@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 17:10:21 -0600 To: Bill Bryan , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Cordless Phones At 05:21 PM 8/8/96 -0400, Bill Bryan wrote: > I'd like to start a new thread. Has anyone found a cordless phone >with a RJ-11 jack on the portable side, so a person could surf cordless. I >have cellular, which works great but due to costs, is not very practical for >home surfing. It's a million dollar idea, but does anybody make this phone >yet? If my 14 year daughter, who is my battery conditioner, can network >with her friends, for hours at a time, then I should be able to wireless >surf, too... Well, a lot of high-end cell phones have PC Cards that will plug into them (I'm thinking of the Nokia line; the cellular modem PC Card is ultra-cool, especially for those of you who live somewhere with real cellular [aka GPM] unlike those of us here in the US). Of course, many also allow you to plug an adapter into the base, as Robert mentioned. Cheers, ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 19:22:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA234426531; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:22:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04300; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:58:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:54:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03994; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:54:54 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03987; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:54:49 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uodyI-001B9XC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:54 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960808225458.009501bc@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:54:58 -0600 To: Alden S Klovdahl From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: win95 and pcmcia Cc: Btp750 At 07:27 AM 8/9/96 +1000, Alden S Klovdahl wrote: >ps steve - when one opens of the card services program or the options tool >and looks at the IRQ's none are shown as being spoken for so to speak. (ie, >no little black dots in any of them). (same with DMA's). > >our computer support person spent a day on it with no success. installing >- or trying to - win95 over wfwg 3.11. he has done many other (non-IBMs) >and not encountered anything like this kind or persistence of problem. I know. I've been around computers long enough to know that story. He's never used a Thinkpad and doesn't like IBM, so it's the beast. You can, of course, turn it in for something else, but there are 100s of us out here running Win95 just fine on our Thinkpads (the one I use every day happens to be a 755CX -- although it may be running Linux soon!). At any rate, I still suspect that it's not actually using the Win95 socket services. Did you actually try it with no autoexec.bat or config.sys? ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 22:41:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA295918491; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:41:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19776; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:40:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:35:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19324; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:35:49 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp5.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.102]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19283; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:35:32 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uohVy-0002F2C; Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:41 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00261; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:32:59 +0800 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:32:57 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: Steve Hultquist Cc: Bill Bryan , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cordless Phones In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960808231021.00962ab8@rmi.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I'd like to start a new thread. Has anyone found a cordless phone > >with a RJ-11 jack on the portable side, so a person could surf cordless. I > >have cellular, which works great but due to costs, is not very practical for > >home surfing. It's a million dollar idea, but does anybody make this phone > >yet? If my 14 year daughter, who is my battery conditioner, can network > >with her friends, for hours at a time, then I should be able to wireless > >surf, too... > Well, a lot of high-end cell phones have PC Cards that will plug into them > (I'm thinking of the Nokia line; the cellular modem PC Card is ultra-cool, > especially for those of you who live somewhere with real cellular [aka GPM] > unlike those of us here in the US). Of course, many also allow you to plug > an adapter into the base, as Robert mentioned. Just want to clarify something... U want RJ-11 jacks on a CORDLESS phone rite ? Not a cellular phone ? If it's so, good luck. The quality would not be too good. Get an accoustic coupler. IT SHOULD fit :) BTW, anyone know of any good acoustic couplers with jacks that are soft enuf to bend under the TP701 keyboard to fit into Ex-Jacks ? Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 23:09:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA008040184; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:09:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21875; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:09:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:08:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21625; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:08:07 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21619; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:08:05 -0400 Received: from liv-22.rust.net (liv-22.rust.net [206.42.195.122]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09295; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960808231009.2437959e@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Gabriel Ash From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: Power adapter for a TP in Poland Cc: Thinkpad User Group Instead of paying a lot of money buying IBM's power modules, for different countries, you would be better off just buying a good universal power converter with all of it's adapters. Due to the relatively low power consumption of a Thinkpad almost any good unit should work. B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 8 23:39:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA013791989; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:39:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24000; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:39:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:37:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23786; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:37:32 -0400 Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23780; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:37:29 -0400 Received: from pma2_128.loop.com (pma2_128.loop.com [206.138.118.128]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA15302 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:37:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199608090337.UAA15302@patty.loop.net> X-Sender: howie@pop.loop.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 20:37:26 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Subject: PCMCIA SCSI adaptors for 701c I've been reading all posts here for over a month. It's quite possible my question has been covered already, but I'd very much appreciate current thoughts! Stats: 701C, windows 3.11, 24meg RAM, 720HD, no pc-cards yet, I am thinking of adding external, removable-media drive. (The new Syquest EZFlyer 230 looks quite good.) My question: What is the practical reality of data transfer speeds using a PC card SCSI adaptor? I imagine pc card SCSIs cannot achieve the transfer speed of a desktop internal card, or can they? Where in the chain is the main bottleneck? I would love feedback on your personal opinions relating to parallel port vs. PCMCIA for with peripherals, and recommendations for PCMCIA SCSI cards. (Also, any thoughts on the current drives; Syquest vs. Iomega or even the just-announced Olympus Universal Sys.230, which features built-in parallel AND SCSI ports and 230meg removable disks at $10 each.) Thanks, Howard Simpson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 00:12:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA017633978; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:12:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26773; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:12:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:10:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26568; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:10:21 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26555; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:10:16 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA25104; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:10:07 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA02714; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:10:05 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:10:04 +1000 (EST) To: Bill Bryan Cc: Gabriel Ash , Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Power adapter for a TP in Poland In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960808231009.2437959e@rust.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII all you need is one intelligent power converter (110-240; 50/60), which ibm makes, one power cord - i prefer a 240 volt one though i don't know that it really matters, and a series of adapters to deal with different plug configs. alternatively, assuming you have the intelligent power pack, you can probably buy a computer power cord in any country you go to for not that much. the end that goes into the power pack is universal; the end that goes into the wall will vary by country you are in. when i was in france a while back i didn't have an adapter with me so i just found a computer a colleague wasn't using, unplugged the power cord from the back of his computer or monitor, and plugged the universal end into my ibm intelligent power pack. and, away i went. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Bill Bryan wrote: > > Instead of paying a lot of money buying IBM's power modules, for > different countries, you would be better off just buying a good universal > power converter with all of it's adapters. Due to the relatively low power > consumption of a Thinkpad almost any good unit should work. > B/B > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb > Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions > three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 02:29:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA029672183; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:29:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04310; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:28:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:19:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03148; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:19:47 -0400 Received: from chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03129; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:19:32 -0400 Received: (from steverod@localhost) by chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA03424 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:20:45 -0700 From: Steve Rodrigues Message-Id: <199608090620.XAA03424@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: Power adapter for a TP in Poland (fwd) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alden S Klovdahl wrote: > why don't you buy one 240 power cord and adapters for the other countries? On that note, I bought a collection of 2-prong (North America) to N-prong adapters and successfully used my 701's 'cigarette pack' power brick in Singapore, Thailand, and India. No problems (aside from my nervousness about trusting India's power quality!). Much cheaper (about US$10) than the world-wide plugs (something like $40 *each*)! Steve -- Steve Rodrigues | Lost, yesterday, somewhere between sunrise and Expatriate Texan | sunset, two golden hours, each set with sixty UC Berkeley, Dept. of EECS | diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for they steverod@cs.berkeley.edu | are gone forever. -- Horace Mann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 02:43:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA030912989; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:43:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05272; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:42:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:37:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04844; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:37:43 -0400 Received: from truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu (truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04838; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:37:39 -0400 Received: from tty2-16.tc.nd.edu by truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with SMTP id CAA24933; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608090637.CAA24933@truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu> From: "Gabriel Ash" To: "Thinkpad User Group" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 01:37:18 Reply-To: "Gabriel Ash" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Gabriel Ash's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) Thanks for all the responses, a few comments to make things a little clearer in what seems a big mess. On Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:10:04 +1000 (EST), Alden S Klovdahl wrote: >all you need is one intelligent power converter (110-240; 50/60), which ibm >makes, one power cord - i prefer a 240 volt one though i don't know that it >really matters, and a series of adapters to deal with different plug configs. I have to AC adapters. One is the original, which plugs only into the US wall socket, the second is what they call the world-wide adapter, which has a special sunken plug to which various cords may fit. On both it is written that they take an input voltage of 110V-240V; 50/60. meaning *both* can theoretically be used all over the world, it's just the quesion of connecting. >alternatively, assuming you have the intelligent power pack, you can probably >buy a computer power cord in any country you go to for not that much. the end >that goes into the power pack is universal; the end that goes into the wall >will vary by country you are in. That's my question. I have never seen universal cords that would plug into the IBM adapter. I thought they are only made by IBM. Does this kind of plug have a name? On Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:55 EDT, David Jones wrote: >for the ThinkPad 701C/701CS. According to it the part numbers of the >various power cords are: > > US, Canada 04H6905 > Asia Pacific 04H6906 > Latin America 04H6907 > Europe 04H6908 > Japan 04H6909 The 4H6905, which I bought, is a fused cord that fits UK wall sockets. It cost about $ 5. The 4H6908, which I was told is European by one IBMer, fits actually the US socket, so it can't be good for europe. It cost's less than $ 2. I did not buy the 6906, which one IBMer called it Asia Pacific, and the other one said it was for Europe, was supposed to cost more than $14, if it is indeed the European poer cord, the price is outrageous. ------------- Gabriel Ash Notre-Dame ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 03:07:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA033124437; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:07:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06984; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:06:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:04:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06779; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:04:12 -0400 Received: from p3.net (root@p3.net [206.67.12.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06772; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:04:06 -0400 Received: from Mark Tunnell.p3.net (nbwga8.p3.net [206.137.135.8]) by p3.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA24562 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:43:13 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960809070324.0067cb10@p3.net> X-Sender: endoftunnell@p3.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 03:03:24 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Aaron Tunnell Subject: Thinkpad 701C I know it is a out of production model, but I am thinking about getting one. Its size and features make it great for my needs. Can anyone comment on it. Screen, battery life, speed, modem and IR port. How much punishment can it take? Any comments would be great. --------------------------------------- Aaron Tunnell endoftunnell@p3.net Do or do not, there is no try- Yoda --------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 03:09:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA033234551; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:09:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07286; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:08:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:07:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07127; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:07:30 -0400 Received: from fire.tic.ch (fire.tic.ch [193.193.144.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07120; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:07:26 -0400 Received: from ar.tic.ch by fire.tic.ch via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id JAA23778; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:09:09 +0200 Received: by ar.tic.ch with Microsoft Mail id <01BB85D1.6CAA9BC0@ar.tic.ch>; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:02:00 +-200 Message-Id: <01BB85D1.6CAA9BC0@ar.tic.ch> From: Andrew Richards To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Power adapter for a TP in Poland Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:01:58 +-200 Encoding: 10 TEXT How about the approach of taking a plug-less power-cord with you (any cord 'borrowed' from a PC?) and buying a plug when you get to the country concerned from the nearest electrical shop or supermarket, and being armed with a screwdriver. Doesn't look as neat as a moulded plug but it's probably quicker than finding part numbers. Just my tuppence. Andrew Richards. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 05:21:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA042682499; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:21:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19534; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:20:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:16:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18223; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:16:50 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18208; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:16:48 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA04814; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08620; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:17:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: Gabriel Ash Cc: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) In-Reply-To: <199608090637.CAA24933@truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just came back from a year's stay in Israel and before I left I looked into the possibility of getting the cable for Israel's sockets from IBM in the US before I left. The Boulder, CO parts center at IBM was charging something like $50 (!!!) for the cable. Instead I went without it, and used a cable from someone's electric hot water kettle - it's the same type of cable as goes into the inverted socket in the power bricks. > >alternatively, assuming you have the intelligent power pack, you can probably > >buy a computer power cord in any country you go to for not that much. the end > >that goes into the power pack is universal; the end that goes into the wall > >will vary by country you are in. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 06:01:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA046344894; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:01:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25023; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:00:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:58:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24862; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:58:53 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24850; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:58:50 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA25250; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:58:46 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA18428; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:58:44 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:58:43 +1000 (EST) To: Gabriel Ash Cc: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) In-Reply-To: <199608090637.CAA24933@truelies.rs.itd.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > That's my question. I have never seen universal cords that would plug into the > IBM adapter. I thought they are only made by IBM. Does this kind of plug have > a name? > as far as i know - and i am certainly prepared to be corrected - the cord end that fits into the ibm (and other) 'intelligent' (100-240/50-60) power packs is universal in the sense that it is the same as fits into computers, monitors, and so on - around the world. it seems to be about the only thing in computing that is standard and universal. meaning, you should be able to go into any computer store - at least in europe - and by and ordinary computer power cord and plug it into your ibm power pack at one end and the wall socket at the other. ... in that country. (it probably has a name but i don't know it.) regards, al From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 06:04:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA046515068; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:04:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25448; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:02:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:02:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25337; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:02:11 -0400 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25296; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:02:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:01:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199608091001.MAA06052@berlin.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Received: by berlin.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:01:45 +0200 From: Andre Spiegel To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New to this list I got my Thinkpad 365X yesterday (P-100/8/810/10.4 TFT). Delivery took five weeks, and I think I was actually lucky that I got it before September. They seem to have big delivery problems here in Germany, and probably the low-end models have low priority, too. It's a lovely machine -- the keyboard is one of the best I've ever typed on, and I really like the track point. After just a few hours, I'm almost as quick with it as with a mouse. I think I would even consider a track point for a full desktop computer; it's a very good pointing device, IMHO. The display is great, although it has a bad pixel, I'm afraid. "Half a bad pixel", to be precise: sometimes it's green, sometimes red, and sometimes it's okay, depending on the overall screen picture (if it's mostly white or mostly black, the pixel is all right). However, during the first hour of use, I saw another pixel that freaked out, but this vanished quickly. So I haven't given up hope yet. Should I accept the bad pixel? I think I can live with it; and only if I need to have the machine serviced for some other reason, I'll ask about the pixel. What are your experiences? (Sorry, this has probably been discussed before, but I didn't see it in the FAQ, and access to the archives is very slow.) Andre Spiegel University of Stuttgart, Germany PS. I'll be away from the net for a week starting this afternoon. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 06:43:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA049567419; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:43:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27892; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:43:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:39:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27639; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:39:14 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27633; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:39:08 -0400 From: Received: from rzstud2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:38:21 +0200 Received: by rzstud2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA201667098; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:38:19 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:38:19 +0200 Re: TheChipmerchant Apparently-To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <"nz11.rz.un.662:09.08.96.10.38.52"@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> To: undisclosed-recipients:;@cs.utk.edu Ok, here is an update on RAM sales at TheChipmerchant (www.thechipmerchant.com) I received a 16 MB module for the 701, just 2 days after ordering (USA->Germany) which is pretty quick. Cost me $180, works fine, CT-Tests say it's ok. Some users told me that the sales personel didn't know they have it: They do ! But it's not the 16MB 3,3V SO-DIMM they advertise, the IBM differs in shape. Tell them to get back to LIZA SANTIAGO, interbational sales, she knows what to order. On my packet it said "T 701 Butterfly SB-PS2-16MB-VB263", but caution the handwriting is a bit fuzzy. I am ud1b@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, Joachim Loeblein. I Fear Nothing. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 07:25:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA052859951; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:25:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02433; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:25:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:23:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02250; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:23:42 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02236; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:23:33 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id EAA01763; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 04:23:27 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma839589806.001758; Fri Aug 9 04:23:26 1996 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (annex-sj4-24.cadence.com [158.140.31.34]) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA18934; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 04:23:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 04:23:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199608091123.EAA18934@cds9258.cadence.com> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Elvin From: Don Perley Subject: Re: Cordless Phones Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:32 AM 8/9/96 +0800, Elvin wrote: >> > I'd like to start a new thread. Has anyone found a cordless phone >> >with a RJ-11 jack on the portable side, so a person could surf cordless. > Just want to clarify something... U want RJ-11 jacks on a >CORDLESS phone rite ? Not a cellular phone ? > If it's so, good luck. The quality would not be too good. Presumably if they put a port on, it would be one of the newer ones. Even though it is 49 mhz, my Motorola has very low noise. On the other hand, there are a few companies that sell IR and wireless adapters that don't require a patch cord to a (now corded) cordless phone. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 07:52:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA054651531; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:52:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03877; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:51:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:48:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03584; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:48:53 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03577; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:48:50 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id EAA01763; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 04:23:27 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma839589806.001758; Fri Aug 9 04:23:26 1996 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (annex-sj4-24.cadence.com [158.140.31.34]) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA18934; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 04:23:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 04:23:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199608091123.EAA18934@cds9258.cadence.com> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Elvin From: Don Perley Subject: Re: Cordless Phones Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:32 AM 8/9/96 +0800, Elvin wrote: >> > I'd like to start a new thread. Has anyone found a cordless phone >> >with a RJ-11 jack on the portable side, so a person could surf cordless. > Just want to clarify something... U want RJ-11 jacks on a >CORDLESS phone rite ? Not a cellular phone ? > If it's so, good luck. The quality would not be too good. Presumably if they put a port on, it would be one of the newer ones. Even though it is 49 mhz, my Motorola has very low noise. On the other hand, there are a few companies that sell IR and wireless adapters that don't require a patch cord to a (now corded) cordless phone. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 07:53:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA054721586; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:53:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04050; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:52:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:51:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03824; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:51:17 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03818; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:51:15 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA27479; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:48:03 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:48:03 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608091148.AA27479@nile.gnat.com> To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "as far as i know - and i am certainly prepared to be corrected - the cord end that fits into the ibm (and other) 'intelligent' (100-240/50-60) power packs is universal in the sense that it is the same as fits into computers, monitors, and so on - around the world. it seems to be about the only thing in computing that is standard and universal." Yes, indeed, it is universal, and you can get versions of it in every country I ever visisted. Of course you can also use a plug adapter, but if you are going to use your machine extensively, it is definitely better to go to a local computer store and pick up a proper cable, since that way there is less fiddling and a more secure connection. To me that is a small but notable advantage of the IBM power supply. By comparison the Tecra power cord is completely non-standard, so the only possibility is to use an adapter plug. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 08:55:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA060665331; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:55:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09370; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:54:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:52:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09099; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:52:33 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09091; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:52:24 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id OAA09543; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:43:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx2.ska.com(198.240.223.100) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma009541; Fri, 9 Aug 96 14:43:51 +0200 Received: from firestorm.foa.ska.com (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx2.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id OAA28154; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:50:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from fs@localhost) by firestorm.foa.ska.com (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) id OAA11046; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:50:34 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:50:34 +0200 From: Frank Sheeran Message-Id: <199608091250.OAA11046@firestorm.foa.ska.com> To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu, dewar@gnat.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) >To me that is a small but notable advantage of the IBM power supply. By >comparison the Tecra power cord is completely non-standard, so the only >possibility is to use an adapter plug. Yikes - I travel regularly between the Continent and England, which have different plugs, and irregularly between Japan and the US - which have the same plug, although in Japan grounds and the wide US flange for polarization are rather rare. I depend on the ability to go my main four countries, and take the cord from any appliance that isn't used and plug into the Thinkpad supply... I cannot believe that Toushiba didn't do this. Another question, though: Why don't laptops in general use one (of the many!) standard connectors for power? Even if they draw too much power to run off them, they might manage to split load with the battery - run for more like 10 hours, and recharge in 4, for example. In fact, I'd buy as an accessory a 1/4 weight IBM power supply if one was offered with this kind of partial-power feature (except that as of next friday I am ditching the 760CD - worthless fossil that it is...) Frank From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 09:16:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA062856564; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:16:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13142; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:15:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:13:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12674; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:13:21 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12649; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:13:13 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA18378; Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:09:59 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:09:59 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608091309.AA18378@nile.gnat.com> To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, Frank.Sheeran@ska.com, Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu, dewar@gnat.com Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Frank said "I depend on the ability to go my main four countries, and take the cord from any appliance that isn't used and plug into the Thinkpad supply... I cannot believe that Toushiba didn't do this. " In fact, having owned a large number of portable machines, the TP is the first one (since the original Compaq :-) that uses one of these standard power cords. Question: if airlines are supplying power, I wonder how they supply it 110V AC? Probably .... Frank, just for interest, what are you replcing your 760CD fossil with? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 09:26:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA064307176; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:26:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04828; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:01:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:00:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04625; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:00:36 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04618; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:00:33 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id HAA13606 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA9646; Fri, 09 Aug 96 07:54:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9608091454.AA9646@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 959A6F7A9F24679285256381004148A6; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:54:06 EDT To: Bill Bryan Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 9 Aug 96 7:56:38 EDT Subject: Re: 701 and PC Card Services X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "... DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS I=B000-B7FF X=CC00-CFFF DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=CC00-CFFF /SH=1 DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI rem UN'REM if using pcmcia disk drives b/b rem DEVICEHIGH=C:\THINKPAD\DISKDRV.SYS..." ~~~~~ i don't know if this applies to the megahertz, but i've found that the xircom drivers won't load in the autoexec if the resource map utility and autodriver are loaded. i'd try rem'ing out all these lines except emm386.exe, ibmdss01.sys, and ibmdoscs.sys. of course, i had to make a menu out of the config.sys, so the other drivers could load when i wasn't on the network because my usr sportster required them. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 09:32:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA064627546; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:32:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14530; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:31:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:29:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14284; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:29:13 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14278; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:29:08 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA01440; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:28:58 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA00928; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:28:55 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:28:54 +1000 (EST) To: Robert Dewar Cc: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) In-Reply-To: <9608091148.AA27479@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Yes, indeed, it is universal, and you can get versions of it in every > country I ever visisted. Of course you can also use a plug adapter, but > if you are going to use your machine extensively, it is definitely better > to go to a local computer store and pick up a proper cable, since that way > there is less fiddling and a more secure connection. > > To me that is a small but notable advantage of the IBM power supply. By > comparison the Tecra power cord is completely non-standard, so the only > possibility is to use an adapter plug. > to me, despite the great attractions of the tecras these days, that is a BIG minus. you do any international travelling at all and soon or later you will find yourself without an appropriate adapter. why should stores in france, germany, sweden, bulgaria, keyna, for example, carry adapter plugs for u.s. plugs when no one uses them there? and try to find a dealer open on a weekend. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 09:38:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA065027924; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:38:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15075; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:36:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:36:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14962; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:36:14 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14956; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:36:12 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id GAA10313 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:36:10 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma839597769.010308; Fri Aug 9 06:36:09 1996 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (annex-sj4-04.cadence.com [158.140.31.14]) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id GAA27332 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:36:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:36:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199608091336.GAA27332@cds9258.cadence.com> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Don Perley Subject: upgrading, was Power adapter >(except that as of next friday >I am ditching the 760CD - worthless fossil that it is...) I can see going for the best you can when it's time for a new laptop, but a number on this list seem incapable of using one for more than a couple of months.. as soon as there is a new king of the hill it becomes a "must have." Just out of curiosity, is it because you all need the extra few pixels and megahertz enough to shell out, or is it one of those corporate pecking order things (ie not your own money) where you are in a position to get the newest thing that comes through the door and hand off your months old antique to the next guy down the list? I think I would have a tough time going to my accountant and explaining that I bought 6 different model laptops over the course of a year at $5-7K each for business use and sold each 2 months later for half what I paid and that it made good business sense. Of course, if these are just personal toys, then you don't have to justify it to anyone, but it still sounds nuts. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 09:47:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA066168457; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:47:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16113; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:45:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15830; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:45:07 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15816; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:45:03 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA27141; Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:41:51 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:41:51 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608091341.AA27141@nile.gnat.com> To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, dewar@gnat.com Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) Cc: Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "to me, despite the great attractions of the tecras these days, that is a BIG minus. you do any international travelling at all and soon or later you will find yourself without an appropriate adapter. why should stores in france, germany, sweden, bulgaria, keyna, for example, carry adapter plugs for u.s. plugs when no one uses them there? and try to find a dealer open on a weekend." I solve this by having a kit of connectors that is world wide usable. It is not such a big kit, and although it is nice to be able to use standard cables I would not rely on being able to trot off to the local friendly computer store in Bulgaria to find such a cable :-) By the way, I know someone complained about Tecra-vs-Thinkpad discussions, but I think that a number of people on this list are interested, and indeed one of the functions of the discussion here is to dig up differences so that people can make the right choice. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 09:48:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA066258519; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:48:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16286; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:47:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:46:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16134; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:46:48 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16109; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:46:42 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA27596; Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:43:35 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:43:35 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608091343.AA27596@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Tecras-vs-Thinkpads I propose this subject line for use in all such discussoins, so that those with decent mailers can kill the thread if they are not interested. Just another note here. If you are using OS/2, then so far I think you are out of luck with the Tecra. OS/2 loads fine (and can recognize the internal CD ROM of the Tecra for installation with no problem), but it is sad to have to live with a little 640 x 480 square in the middel of the screen :-( I have not been able to locate OS/2 display drivers for the Tecra, or for that matter PCMCIA drivers that work! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 10:02:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA067679341; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:02:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17633; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:01:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:58:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17221; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:58:46 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17214; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:58:43 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00931; Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:55:35 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:55:35 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608091355.AA00931@nile.gnat.com> To: perley@cadence.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: upgrading, was Power adapter Don asks "Just out of curiosity, is it because you all need the extra few pixels and megahertz enough to shell out, or is it one of those corporate pecking order things (ie not your own money) where you are in a position to get the newest thing that comes through the door and hand off your months old antique to the next guy down the list?" I can certainly answer for myself that it is both the screen real estate and raw speed that are important. I do major compiler development work, involving bootstrapping the compiler several times a day, so speed is very important, and I prefer to work in a completely consistent physical environment as I move around (I spend weekends away, so I am often computing remotely). I do not want to use a separate monitor some places and not other places, so the quality, size and resolution of the screen are critical to productivity. "I think I would have a tough time going to my accountant and explaining that I bought 6 different model laptops over the course of a year at $5-7K each for business use and sold each 2 months later for half what I paid and that it made good business sense." Well first of all, even if you are keeping at the cutting edge, it is more like two or at most three a year, not six a year. Second, the questoin of whether spending 15-20K $ to improve the productivity of person X is worth while depends on person X! Finally we do not sell our old thinkpads, there are other people who need a machine and do not have the same computing requirements who can make good use out of older machines. For most people, it is indeed nuts to buy the latest machines. You can get spectacularly good buys in notebooks if you are willing to buy last years model, and for most people that makes far more sense. I have helped many people buy notebooks, and what I almost always do is to steer them to buying brand new, older models at huge discounts. Desktop machines are the same way, you can get GREAT buys on machines that just 18 months ago cost five times what they are selling for new today. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 10:22:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA069100534; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:22:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19711; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:21:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:20:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19485; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:20:15 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19431; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:20:08 -0400 Received: from default (phx-az4-20.ix.netcom.com [199.35.219.148]) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA03325 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:19:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199608091419.HAA03325@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Carmody" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:18:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: IBM Thinkpad Tech Staff Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) I wonder if anyone could give me the E-mail address for the IBM technical people that know about latest Mwave driver releases for the 760ED. I have an 800 number that came in the User's Guide, but these are marketing people. Thanks, -- John Carmody E-mail: oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 11:18:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA075513906; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:18:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24394; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:12:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:11:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24243; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:11:05 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24231; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:11:01 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uotD6-001BMfC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:10 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960809151117.00966e5c@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 09:11:17 -0600 To: "Gabriel Ash" , "Thinkpad User Group" From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) At 01:37 AM 8/9/96, Gabriel Ash wrote: >That's my question. I have never seen universal cords that would plug into the >IBM adapter. I thought they are only made by IBM. Does this kind of plug have >a name? The one that I have is just IEC, an international standard (believe it or not!) for three-prong plugs. Usually, you can get cords that have that on one end and the local flavor at the other at virtually any computer store. ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 11:53:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA078915980; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:53:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27962; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:51:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:49:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27767; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:49:51 -0400 Received: from twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (twins.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27758; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:49:43 -0400 Received: from tty3-9.tc.nd.edu by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with SMTP id LAA27659; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608091549.LAA27659@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> From: "Gabriel Ash" To: "Thinkpad User Group" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 01:37:18 Reply-To: "Gabriel Ash" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Gabriel Ash's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) Thanks for all the responses, a few comments to make things a little clearer in what seems a big mess. On Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:10:04 +1000 (EST), Alden S Klovdahl wrote: >all you need is one intelligent power converter (110-240; 50/60), which ibm >makes, one power cord - i prefer a 240 volt one though i don't know that it >really matters, and a series of adapters to deal with different plug configs. I have to AC adapters. One is the original, which plugs only into the US wall socket, the second is what they call the world-wide adapter, which has a special sunken plug to which various cords may fit. On both it is written that they take an input voltage of 110V-240V; 50/60. meaning *both* can theoretically be used all over the world, it's just the quesion of connecting. >alternatively, assuming you have the intelligent power pack, you can probably >buy a computer power cord in any country you go to for not that much. the end >that goes into the power pack is universal; the end that goes into the wall >will vary by country you are in. That's my question. I have never seen universal cords that would plug into the IBM adapter. I thought they are only made by IBM. Does this kind of plug have a name? On Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:55 EDT, David Jones wrote: >for the ThinkPad 701C/701CS. According to it the part numbers of the >various power cords are: > > US, Canada 04H6905 > Asia Pacific 04H6906 > Latin America 04H6907 > Europe 04H6908 > Japan 04H6909 The 4H6905, which I bought, is a fused cord that fits UK wall sockets. It cost about $ 5. The 4H6908, which I was told is European by one IBMer, fits actually the US socket, so it can't be good for europe. It cost's less than $ 2. I did not buy the 6906, which one IBMer called it Asia Pacific, and the other one said it was for Europe, was supposed to cost more than $14, if it is indeed the European poer cord, the price is outrageous. ------------- Gabriel Ash Notre-Dame ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 11:59:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA080066389; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:59:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28667; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:58:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:55:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28425; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:55:51 -0400 Received: from husc.harvard.edu (root@husc.harvard.edu [140.247.30.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28405; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:55:42 -0400 Received: from pop1.fas.HARVARD.EDU by husc.harvard.edu with ESMTP id LAA04399; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dchan by pop1.fas.HARVARD.EDU with SMTP id LAA13326; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960809155605.007335b4@pop.fas.harvard.edu> X-Sender: chan4@pop.fas.harvard.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 11:56:05 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: "Derek V. Chan" Subject: Tin SIMMs in Gold sockets? Anyone here put tin plated SIMMs into their gold Thinkpad TAM sockets? Are those stories of corrosion true? Or, does corrosion only takeplace after 7 or eight years? __ Derek V. Chan | PGP Fingerprint: CB C4 65 BA 04 04 9C 9A chan4@fas.harvard.edu | FF DE 71 81 83 21 45 6B dchan@cybercom.net) | Finger either address for PGP public key. NOTICE: By sending unsolicited commercial advertising/solicitations (or otherwise on or as part of a mailing list) to the above e-mail address or URL you will be indicating your consent to paying Derek V. Chan $1,000.000.oo U.S.D./hour for a minimum of 1 hour for my time spent dealing with it. Payment due in 30 days upon receipt of an invoice (e-mail or regular mail) from me or my authorized representative. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 12:00:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA080156403; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:00:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28719; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:58:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:56:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28486; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:56:41 -0400 Received: from twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (twins.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28480; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:56:34 -0400 Received: from tty3-9.tc.nd.edu by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with SMTP id LAA28957; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608091556.LAA28957@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> From: "Gabriel Ash" To: "Thinkpad User Group" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 10:56:41 Reply-To: "Gabriel Ash" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Gabriel Ash's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Power Adapter: to Tom Tom Thanks for your message. I just realised that I deleted your message by mistake. could you please resend the part number of you cord. ------------- Gabriel Ash Notre-Dame ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 12:25:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA082527903; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:25:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01386; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:17:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:14:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00672; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:14:48 -0400 Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00664; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:14:39 -0400 From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 20b63070; Fri, 9 Aug 96 12:10:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:08:47 -0400 Message-Id: <20b63070@doblegate.doble.com> To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, Frank.Sheeran@ska.com, Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu, dewar@gnat.com, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.839607046" This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. 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Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.839607046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello, My NCR Laptop (aka NEC Versa Ultralite) also has the NEMA power connector on the Power Supply and I find it very useful. 73 Eric ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) Author: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) at Doble-Internet Date: 8/9/96 9:09 AM In fact, having owned a large number of portable machines, the TP is the first one (since the original Compaq :-) that uses one of these standard power cords. --IMA.Boundary.839607046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from [128.169.94.1] by doblegate.doble.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 20b3b740; Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:21:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12817; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:13:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:13:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12674; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:13:21 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12649; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:13:13 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA18378; Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:09:59 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 09:09:59 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608091309.AA18378@nile.gnat.com> To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, Frank.Sheeran@ska.com, Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu, dewar@gnat.com Subject: Re: Power adapter for europe (was: TP in Poland) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.839607046-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 12:27:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083498049; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:27:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22409; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:53:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:51:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22240; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:51:29 -0400 Received: from fris.fris.nl (root@fris.fris.nl [193.67.218.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22234; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:51:25 -0400 Received: from fl1tty05.fris.nl (fl1tty05.fris.nl [193.67.218.70]) by fris.fris.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA15874 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:53:44 -0100 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:53:44 -0100 Message-Id: <199608091753.QAA15874@fris.fris.nl> X-Sender: janomill@fris.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jan van der Meulen Subject: manual for dockingstation Hello, I just bought a dockingstation I for my TP750c, but I didn't get the manuals :-( Is there someone who has these (this?) manuals for me. Of course I'm willing to pay for it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 12:42:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA087278953; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:42:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24023; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:08:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:06:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23659; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:06:13 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23643; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:06:07 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19761; Fri, 9 Aug 96 11:02:58 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 11:02:58 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608091502.AA19761@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, perley@cadence.com Subject: Re: upgrading, was Power adapter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "My 755CD (remember those?) was the fastest IBM had to offer 7 months ago. Now I think it's been supplanted 3 times. That doesn't even count jumping between brands as one or the other has more chache' (pardon the pun)." First, the 755CD was released more than 7 months ago, so you are starting this evaluation at the end of a product cycle. Second, it has been supplanted 2 times (760CD and 760ED) not 3 times. Generally the cycle for actually obtaining new cutting ednge machines it you stick to one brand is more like 2 a year (this is based on experience, at least with thinkpads :-) of course if you jump brands, then you can increase this arbitrarily, but that's hard to believe that this would result in increments big enough to be worthwhile. The TP->Tecra jump is an oddity really, resulting from other factors (namely the fact that for the first time in a while, Tecra is clearly a jump ahead of IBM in screen technology). "At that point, you are implicity depreciating it to the price at which the guy with less requirements could buy a used machine that meets his needs. You save the overhead of actually buying and selling, but it's sort of the same." That's not right at all. These machines are fully configured for exactly our use, and we know they work fine, and have been carefully treated and maintained. Furthermore, they are still under lease, the depreciation has nothing to do with who is using it, I don't know of any concept of implicit depreciation that makes sense here (certainly I don't think you can get the IRS to agree to such a concept!) You would have a hard time getting a leasing company to lease used equipment from a miscellaneous seller! The point is that buying new machines may make sense especially in the context of requiring new machines, but it depends on the individual circumstances. I have always found it easily worthwhile for my work to be close to cutting edge technology, but I think that's very unusual, and most people would do better to avoid he "I-must-have-the-latest-and-greatest" syndrome, since if you don't really need it, this can cost you mucho $$$ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 12:45:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA087539106; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:45:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25815; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:25:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:24:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25465; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:24:14 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25458; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:24:10 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id HAA18470; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:55:26 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma839602523.018463; Fri Aug 9 07:55:23 1996 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (annex-sj4-21.cadence.com [158.140.31.31]) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA26733; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:55:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:55:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199608091455.HAA26733@cds9258.cadence.com> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Don Perley Subject: Re: upgrading, was Power adapter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 09:55 AM 8/9/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >Don asks > >"Just out of curiosity, is it because you all need the extra few pixels and >megahertz enough to shell out, or is it one of those corporate pecking order >things" >I can certainly answer for myself that it is both the screen real estate >and raw speed that are important. I do major compiler development work, >"I think I would have a tough time going to my accountant and explaining that >I bought 6 different model laptops over the course of a year at $5-7K each for >business use and sold each 2 months later for half what I paid and that it made >good business sense." > >Well first of all, even if you are keeping at the cutting edge, it is more >like two or at most three a year, not six a year. My 755CD (remember those?) was the fastest IBM had to offer 7 months ago. Now I think it's been supplanted 3 times. That doesn't even count jumping between brands as one or the other has more chache' (pardon the pun). > Second, the questoin of >whether spending 15-20K $ to improve the productivity of person X is worth >while depends on person X! It's also a matter of figuring what the productivity enhancement will be, generally somewhat less than the system speed enhancement, which is in turn somewhat less than the processor speed enhancement. >Finally we do not sell our old thinkpads, there >are other people who need a machine and do not have the same computing >requirements who can make good use out of older machines. At that point, you are implicity depreciating it to the price at which the guy with less requirements could buy a used machine that meets his needs. You save the overhead of actually buying and selling, but it's sort of the same. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 13:55:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA103483347; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:55:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07827; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:53:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:49:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07559; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:49:57 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07544; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:49:50 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I82OHXO91C0043TD@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 13:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: Tin SIMMs in Gold sockets? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960809155605.007335b4@pop.fas.harvard.edu> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <839612956.454162.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > Anyone here put tin plated SIMMs into their gold Thinkpad TAM sockets? Are > those stories of corrosion true? Or, does corrosion only takeplace after 7 > or eight years? Gold can't corrode - that's one reason it's worth so much. The tin you see is actually solder (tin+lead) which can, or oxidize. The connections can also get dirty over time, even when both sides are gold flashed (a way to make the coating thinner than plating). I'd say gold on one side is better than no gold at all. I wouldn't worry about the dis-similar metals - I've been plugging tinned chip leads into gold sockets for many many years with no problems... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 14:44:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA114016280; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:44:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12866; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:39:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:37:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12395; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:37:18 -0400 Received: from ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com (ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com [165.79.140.230]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12325; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:37:10 -0400 Received: from derka.ibs.uscs.com ([165.79.144.189]) by ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 0-16816) with SMTP id AAA76 for <@ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:19:39 -0700 Received: by derka.ibs.uscs.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA07033; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:36:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:36:31 -0700 From: tcb@derka.ibs.uscs.com (Tim Barthel) Message-Id: <199608091836.LAA07033@derka.ibs.uscs.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: X problems on 755CSE Reply-To: barthetc@ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com I have had X running fine on the lcd. I finally tried to run it on my external monitor. I am using a port replicator to get an extra keyboard and make it easy to hookup at work. When I start X with the port replicator, I get the error cannot open mouse device. When I just, plug in the monitor it starts up okay. However, I cannot use my external keyboard this way. Do I have to use a different device? BTW how is this list controlled. I think I subscribe from a web page but I noticed that non of the standard listproc/listserv stuff seems to work. TIA. Tim B. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === | Timothy C. Barthel email: barthetc@ibs.uscs.com # | Software Engineer === # === | Production Systems Integrity, MS/8088 # # # | International Billing Services voice: 916 939-5832 # # # | 5220 Robert J. Mathews Parkway # # # | El Dorado Hills, CA 95762-5712 fax: 916 939-5531 ####### | # | www http://www.ibs.uscs.com/~deptpsi PSI # CORPS |=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === |"It is a simple task to make things complex but a complex |task to make them simple." fortune cookie =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 14:56:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA121806997; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:56:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14613; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:54:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:51:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14285; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:51:49 -0400 Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14274; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:51:31 -0400 From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 20b885d0; Fri, 9 Aug 96 14:50:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:47:24 -0400 Message-Id: <20b885d0@doblegate.doble.com> Subject: Win95 keeps wanting to access A: on the thinkpad. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello, There are two machines with win95. A Thinkpad 750C that will try to read drive A: on bootup and sometimes when start is selected. A Dell 486DX2 desktop does not do this. Does anyone know why Win95 wants to read Drive A: on the thinkpad? There is no obvious control to disable it. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 15:14:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA133198078; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:14:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16380; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:12:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:10:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15948; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:10:10 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15937; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:10:06 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uowwS-001BULC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 13:09 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960809191021.0098892c@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 13:10:21 -0600 To: , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Win95 keeps wanting to access A: on the thinkpad. At 02:47 PM 8/9/96 -0400, ecottrell@doble.com wrote: > There are two machines with win95. A Thinkpad 750C that will try to > read drive A: on bootup and sometimes when start is selected. A Dell > 486DX2 desktop does not do this. > > Does anyone know why Win95 wants to read Drive A: on the thinkpad? > There is no obvious control to disable it. This is the default (see EasySetup). Unless you mean it *only* tries the floppy. Regardless, you should be able to change that stuff in EasySetup. ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 15:16:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA133408200; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:16:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16578; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:14:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:13:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16427; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:13:24 -0400 Received: from cosmos.psc.sc.edu (cosmos.psc.sc.edu [129.252.32.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16411; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:13:16 -0400 Received: from shadow.cosm.sc.edu (shadow.cosm.sc.edu [129.252.40.18]) by cosmos.psc.sc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA18447; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:13:14 GMT Received: from localhost by shadow.cosm.sc.edu (8.6.12) id TAA01590; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:13:10 GMT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz To: Aaron Tunnell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960809070324.0067cb10@p3.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't think I can comment a lot but I have had something very similar to the one you are talking about. It's IBM TP 700. Just bought it a few days ago, it's used, without any manuals (but real cheap) so kinda hard to figure it out in details. So far it's been working OK, but just yesterday I noticed that it does not run a few programs I had recently downloaded from the Internet. The same programs are readily run on another computer I have an access to, a desktop. So I am kinda wondering if it is because its processor is rather uncommon or what? Or maybe it's plainly some bug in the processor? Don't know. It came with a big dead pixel right in the middle of the screen and some programs that are meant for color screens do not seem to produce as great graphics as they do on color screens. It's sort of dim, but that is not so for all such programs. The screen despite the deceased pixel is pretty good, very contrast. The baterry is not good, I don't use it. I power it from an AC outlet. I meant it as a sophisticated typewriter, something I could run Scientific Workplace on, TEX and LateX, Derive and such. And for this it seems to be good enough. Hope this helps. BTW, if somebody could tell me how to get manuals to it I would greatly appreciate that. TIA. Waldemar On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Aaron Tunnell wrote: > I know it is a out of production model, but I am thinking about getting one. > Its size and features make it great for my needs. Can anyone comment on it. > Screen, battery life, speed, modem and IR port. How much punishment can it > take? Any comments would be great. > > > > --------------------------------------- > Aaron Tunnell endoftunnell@p3.net > Do or do not, there is no try- Yoda > --------------------------------------- > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 15:33:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA136099231; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:33:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18389; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:31:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:29:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18104; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:29:57 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18093; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:29:53 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uoxFW-001BV8C; Fri, 9 Aug 96 13:29 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960809193004.009822b0@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 13:30:04 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Mail queuing using Linux? For those of you using Linux, how do you configure your sendmail to handle the times when you're not Internet connected (ie., queue the mail)? Any insight appreciated as I get closer and closer to moving my CX to Linux! Thanks, ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 15:34:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA136209240; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:34:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18392; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:31:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:29:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18054; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:29:14 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18030; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:28:58 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0uoxDC-00011PC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 15:27 EDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 15:27 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: endoftunnell@p3.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960809070324.0067cb10@p3.net> (message from Aaron Tunnell on Fri, 09 Aug 1996 03:03:24 -0400) Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C The ThinkPad 701C/701CS is a sub-notebook; I emphasize the word "sub". As such, I believe it is well designed and fulfills that role well. It is light (4.5lb) and small (1.6x9.7x7.8in) and of course has the expanding keyboard. Why IBM chose to phase it out baffles me. To let some bias show, I prefer a desktop computer for long sessions, not a notebook or sub-notebook. Even the latest and greatest of the notebooks fall far short of the ease and comfort of desktop environments, which are also much cheaper to set up. Regarding some of your specific questions: o I have not used the IR port o Battery life is a little over 2 hours. This is the stock NiCd. NiMH is longer. I am not sure if an Li-ion battery is available for the 701. o I have had no problems with the built in modem. The 701 has been used in different parts of the world: North America, Europe, and Africa. o I did have to replace the TFT screen; there was a one third column of red pixels stuck on. The screen is quite easy on the eye. o The 486DX 25/75 MHz is quite adequate. (On the other hand I have not rushed out and bought the latest 166 MHz box!) Regards, David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 15:41:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA137219704; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:41:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19138; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:38:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:37:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19007; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:37:56 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18996; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:37:50 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu (slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu) by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA136959459; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:37:39 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0uoxNK-0000XWC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Fri, 9 Aug 96 15:37 EDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 15:37 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: ssh@wwsi.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960809193004.009822b0@rmi.net> (ssh@wwsi.com) Subject: Mail queuing using Linux? X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 13:30:04 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist For those of you using Linux, how do you configure your sendmail to handle the times when you're not Internet connected (ie., queue the mail)? Any insight appreciated as I get closer and closer to moving my CX to Linux! I use smail rather than sendmail (but I think sendmail works the same way). I have my configuration set up to forward all mail to a mail relay. When I'm off-line, the mail is automatically queued on the ThinkPad for later delivery, and will remain in the queue for several days. When I next connect, it will figure this out after a short while (about 15-30 mins) and send all the queued mail. If I want it to send the mail immediately after I'm connected, I run the program "runq". From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 15:53:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA139650403; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:53:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20695; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:51:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:46:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20080; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:46:44 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20074; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:46:40 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu (slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu) by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA138169982; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:46:22 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0uoxVh-0000XWC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Fri, 9 Aug 96 15:46 EDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 15:46 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: ssh@wwsi.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960809193004.009822b0@rmi.net> (ssh@wwsi.com) Subject: Mail queuing using Linux? X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Sorry, I just realized that I omitted one important fact in my previous message. I didn't have to do any special configuration to smail to get off-line queueing. That is normal behavior for the mailer. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 16:08:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA146171261; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:07:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21640; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:01:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:57:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21265; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:57:46 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21259; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:57:43 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uoxgc-001BVzC; Fri, 9 Aug 96 13:57 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960809195803.0095a380@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 13:58:03 -0600 To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Mail queuing using Linux? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 03:46 PM 8/9/96 EDT, Chris Hanson wrote: >Sorry, I just realized that I omitted one important fact in my >previous message. > >I didn't have to do any special configuration to smail to get off-line >queueing. That is normal behavior for the mailer. Great! Thanks for all the info! ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 9 21:13:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA226989604; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:13:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14672; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:12:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:08:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14203; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:08:29 -0400 Received: from golden.net (root@golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14197; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:08:27 -0400 From: Received: from Default (swo-34.golden.org [199.166.210.34]) by golden.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA06912 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:05:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:05:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199608100105.VAA06912@golden.net> X-Sender: bivanovi@pop.golden.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 and win95 Hi, I have two things that I don't like about the 701 running win95, does anyone else have the same problem, or solutions? 1. Adjusting the volume with FN PgUp / PgDn sometimes makes the pointer disappear. This didn't happen in 3.1. 2. Faxworks from IBMs site installed on win95 wont send faxes. Complains about not being able to find cover page config file or something like that. Also, I have 8MB RAM, how much of an improvement is there, going to 16 or 24? Thanks, any comments, or suggestions will be much appreciated. Boris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 01:18:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA259984331; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:18:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00179; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:18:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:13:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29691; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:13:05 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29684; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:13:00 -0400 Received: from dialin_15.enteract.com (dialin_15.enteract.com [206.54.253.30]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id UAA13165; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 20:48:39 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: Aaron Tunnell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:53:08 GMT Message-Id: <320beb32.1036751@smtp.enteract.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19960809070324.0067cb10@p3.net> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960809070324.0067cb10@p3.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 To learn more about the IBM Thinkpad 701, stop by the web site in my sig and read the review I did of the system. I think I cover just about everything... Emanuel On Fri, 09 Aug 1996 03:03:24 -0400, you wrote: >I know it is a out of production model, but I am thinking about getting one. >Its size and features make it great for my needs. Can anyone comment on it. >Screen, battery life, speed, modem and IR port. How much punishment can it >take? Any comments would be great. > > > >--------------------------------------- > Aaron Tunnell endoftunnell@p3.net > Do or do not, there is no try- Yoda >--------------------------------------- > > epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 02:10:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA279697449; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:10:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02468; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:10:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:09:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02285; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:09:13 -0400 Received: from cosmos.psc.sc.edu (cosmos.psc.sc.edu [129.252.32.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02279; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:09:10 -0400 Received: from flux.cosm.sc.edu (flux.cosm.sc.edu [129.252.40.13]) by cosmos.psc.sc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA19495 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 06:09:09 GMT Received: from localhost by flux.cosm.sc.edu (8.6.12) id GAA00460; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 06:09:15 GMT Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:09:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Manual for TP 700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I bought this machine real cheap, but I come increasingly frequently to the realization that I need a manual for it. It came without it. I would appreciate if somebody could sell me one. Otherwise I am may end up asking a whole bunch of questions that may quite unintentionally aggravate health condition of some of the less patient subscribers to this list. But what else could I do? Is there any other way to compensate for the lack of this manual? Any other books on laptops, obviously more general that what I need, but giving a thorough background on which to base one's explorations of this particular laptop? I would appreciate your comments. Sorry if it has already been covered, but I am not aware of any FAQ that could answer the last question. TIA. Waldemar PS Thanks to all of you who participated in the discussion on power cords, AC adapters, plugs for different countries and all that which I started. It helped me a lot. Hope others benefitted too. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 03:18:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA004281526; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 03:18:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07135; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 03:17:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 03:10:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06427; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 03:10:16 -0400 Received: from cosmos.psc.sc.edu (cosmos.psc.sc.edu [129.252.32.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06410; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 03:10:13 -0400 Received: from flux.cosm.sc.edu (flux.cosm.sc.edu [129.252.40.13]) by cosmos.psc.sc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA19592 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 07:10:11 GMT Received: from localhost by flux.cosm.sc.edu (8.6.12) id HAA00501; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 07:10:13 GMT Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 03:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz Reply-To: Waldemar Puszkarz To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: A bug in the processor of my TP 700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here is something that worries me and I suspect that it suggests a bug in the processor 486SLC of my TP 700. As I am not entirely certain if I do everything correct, I would appreciate your advice. Facts: 1. It says "illegal function call in the module JPSTPHN at address 05BD:0598" and terminates the program. (JPSTPHN is a lovely program to simulate eclipse phenomena in the system of Galilean Jupiter's satellites that I downloaded from the Internet.) Now, the problem is that the same program runs very well on a desktop IBM PS/2 57 SX that I have an access to. 2. It locks up when running another program right at the start. The program runs without any problem on the mentioned desktop. 3. In a demo of DERIVE (software for symbolic computations) displays distorted highlighted boxes and scrambles slightly a text within those boxes. Also, it happened to terminate the demo saying "Error!Return with no preceding call" but it did only once, I could not make it repeat this, so it looks like it sometimes acts sort of randomly. No problem with this on the desktop. 4. It has graphics problems with yet another program, leaving a trail of lines when the program is finished. The lines disappear after the screen is scrolled down. Nothing like that shows up on the desktop. It definitely has graphics problems but it does run a number of other programs very well including those that use graphics extensively, which leaves me baffled. I would greatly appreciate your opinion about this. I have no documentation about this machine as I bought it used, without any manuals. I am trying to get ones. TIA. Waldemar From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 05:19:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA024658751; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:19:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16581; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:18:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:14:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15415; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:14:20 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.pharmacia.se (gatekeeper.pharmacia.se [193.180.21.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15409; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:14:18 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp-eu.pnu.com by gatekeeper.pharmacia.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jan96/sal) id AA19267; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:14:06 +0200 Received: from ccMail by eu.pnu.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 20C54030; Sat, 10 Aug 96 11:18:59 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:08:40 +0200 Message-Id: <20C54030.1848@eu.pnu.com> From: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen) Subject: 3Com fixes EPROM error on 3C589 PC Card (ThinkPad and Win95) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi all! If you didn't knew already, 3Com has released an EPROM upgrade for their 3C589 PC Card LAN Adapter. Some of these adapters (after a particular date) doesn't work on portable computers with Win95. When one run the 3Com Diagnostics, the adapter found is a 3C562 LAN + Modem PC Card and not the correct 3C589. I don't remember where I found it but I guess you can find it at 3Coms website or FTP server. Best regards -------------------------------------------- Mikael Bendtsen Responsor NWSM (Pharmacia & Upjohn) Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com - mike@se.ibm.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 05:57:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA029601047; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:57:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22217; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:56:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:55:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22095; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:55:56 -0400 Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22089; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:55:53 -0400 Received: from pma3_179.loop.com (pma3_179.loop.com [207.17.84.179]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA28847 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:55:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199608100955.CAA28847@patty.loop.net> X-Sender: howie@pop.loop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:55:49 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Subject: Is this a clique? No one gave me the secret handshake! I might be paranoid, but it seems of the few questions I have asked here, only one was responded to (and that was directed to me personally by one of the least prolific members of this list!) Is there some little secret code I've missed? (Or do I perhaps have to indicate I'm on my third laptop this year before getting any attention? ) It seems that the posts that garner the most attention are ones that start with a question but dissolve into volleys of personal opinion that have little to do with the original focus. No doubt I've started something now. Howard Simpson (no, I don't have a fancy signature either!) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 08:50:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA045231420; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 08:50:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01209; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 08:49:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 08:45:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00894; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 08:45:56 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00888; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 08:45:50 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06509; Sat, 10 Aug 96 08:42:43 EDT Date: Sat, 10 Aug 96 08:42:43 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608101242.AA06509@nile.gnat.com> To: howie@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is this a clique? No one gave me the secret handshake! Howard seems to think he is entitled to free advice, but mailing lists and newsgroups don't work that way. Basically people answer either questions that are interesting enough to invest some effort in, or simple questions that they can answer instantly. If you ask a question and get no answer it simply means that no one considers the question interesting and/or no one knows an answer. Sure there is enough expertise on the list that almost any question could be answered by someone *if* they invested the time, but no one is being paid on a group like this to spend time helping other people! And of course some people *do* like to chatter about controversial issues :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 09:45:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA048984712; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:45:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05025; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:41:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:39:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04685; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:39:11 -0400 Received: from cosmos.psc.sc.edu (cosmos.psc.sc.edu [129.252.32.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04679; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:39:08 -0400 Received: from flux.cosm.sc.edu (flux.cosm.sc.edu [129.252.40.13]) by cosmos.psc.sc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA19879 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:39:07 GMT Received: from localhost by flux.cosm.sc.edu (8.6.12) id NAA00779; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:39:14 GMT Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:39:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Short-tailed mice Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just hooked up a mouse to my TP 700 for a while. Well, have to say that there is a big difference between a trackpoint and a mouse. The latter allows you for much faster and more precise movements. One slight downside though is that a regular desktop mouse (with a long tail) sort of obstructs your movements with its long tail that is absolutely not needed in its full glory for anything to accomplish here, a half of it would be much better. Plus, it takes more space on one's desktop and I did buy a laptop to have more space on the desktop for other things (not a mouse!). Now, are you guys aware of such mice? It would be cool to have one. While not on the road I would definitely choose this kind of mouse over a trackpoint. Just a thought. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Waldemar PS. Yes, I am sure that cordless mice are even better but that's not what I really mean. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 10:12:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA051046365; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:12:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07091; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:12:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:09:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06760; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:09:53 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp5.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.102]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06720; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:09:44 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0upEil-00028KC; Sat, 10 Aug 96 22:08 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA00106; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:04:12 +0800 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:04:11 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: slugnet@lugs.org.sg Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PLIP gives me funny errors Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm trying to get PLIP working between my IBM TP701C and my PC. I cannot get it to work properly. I followed the PLIP mini-howto to the last step and it fails. On my PC, I get the following (yes its double) when I typed "ifconfig plip2 200.0.0.2 pointopoint 200.0.0.1 up" SIOCSIFFLAGS: Try again SIOCSIFFLAGS: Try again The funny thing is, on my PC the plip devices start from plip1 -> plip2 (on my notebook it's from plip0 to plip 1) [2 lpt ports on each machine] My PC runs linux kernal 1.2.13 and my IBM runs kernal 1.3.30 Any idea ? And is it true some notebooks cannon run plip becoz of the way the parralel ports are used ? (Something in the howto about control signals) Thanks In Advance ! Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 10:36:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA052927812; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:36:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08636; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:36:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08434; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:34:54 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08428; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:34:52 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05857; Sat, 10 Aug 96 10:31:47 EDT Date: Sat, 10 Aug 96 10:31:47 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608101431.AA05857@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, puszkarz@cosm.sc.edu Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice Waldemar said "Just hooked up a mouse to my TP 700 for a while. Well, have to say that there is a big difference between a trackpoint and a mouse. The latter allows you for much faster and more precise movements." People of course vary a lot. I cannot tolerate a real mouse, since for me it is so inferior in speed and convenience to the trackpoint. Here is an interesting fact. Before IBM would allow the track point to be released, it had to meet two criteria, measured over typical use of portable PC's. 1. It had to be as good out of the box as a track ball gets with experience 2. With experience, it has to be as good as a mouse Both of these criteria were met or exceeded in all the studies (IBM Japan was particularly insistant on these two criteria). I know this incidenbtally from a talk from the guy who invented the trackpoint, and in this talk he showed the detailed figures, quite convining because some of the tests were by folks in IBM Japan, who were inclined to refuse to believe that the trackpoint could ever succeed. Of course your milage will vary, as you see from Waldemar's account he much prefers a mouse, I much prefer a trackpoint. My brother finds a trackpad the only acceptable pointing device. The bottom line here is do not listen to what anyone else has to say, try for yourself -- being aware of the fact that first impressions may rank things differently from impressions after getting experienced. The best thing is to borrow a setup long enough to learn it at least reasonable well, then judge. Same thing goes for keyboards. Some people really like the new tilt-up keyboards on the new thinkpads. Me, I hate them, I find they fight my typing, and I much prefer the old TP keyboards. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 10:56:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA054169009; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:56:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09865; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:56:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:54:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09641; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:54:28 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp5.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.102]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09622; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:54:03 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0upFPs-00028PC; Sat, 10 Aug 96 22:53 SST Message-Id: From: hosler@lugs.org.sg (Greg Hosler) Subject: Re: PLIP gives me funny errors To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg (Elvin) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:53:27 +0800 (SST) Cc: slugnet@lugs.org.sg, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Elvin" at Aug 10, 96 10:04:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Hi, I have no real experience w/ plip, but a few possible guesses. > I'm trying to get PLIP working between my IBM TP701C and my PC. > I cannot get it to work properly. I followed the PLIP mini-howto > to the last step and it fails. On my PC, I get the following (yes its > double) when I typed "ifconfig plip2 200.0.0.2 pointopoint 200.0.0.1 up" > > SIOCSIFFLAGS: Try again > SIOCSIFFLAGS: Try again is the ifconfig being done by the "root" user ? -- if it's in the "rc" files, then yes it is. if you're manually doing it, are you "root" when you do the ifconfig. if not, you probably want to retry the ifconfig as root. > The funny thing is, on my PC the plip devices start from plip1 -> plip2 > (on my notebook it's from plip0 to plip 1) [2 lpt ports on each machine] > My PC runs linux kernal 1.2.13 and my IBM runs kernal 1.3.30 The different numbering may be due to whether you have the printer module (lp.c) loaded, or not. if you do, then that will shift the device numbering. also.... recall that the 1.3.x kernels were developmental kernels. in many of them one thing, or another, was borke. While they are ok to do testing with, as long as they work for you, then fine, but the minute you start having problems (such as you are describing), then the appropriate action is to switch kernels. either go back to 1.2.13, or go forward to 2.0 (minimally 2.0.0) -- There were 70 or more patchs between the 1.3.30 kernel and the official 2.0 kernel -- many of these were serious patches, affecting either various drivers, or other subsystems, including the network code. I definately remember networking problems on a number of the 1.3.x kernels. might be that you're banging your head against one here... > Any idea ? > And is it true some notebooks cannon run plip becoz of the way > the parralel ports are used ? (Something in the howto about control signals) I just diff'd the plip.c module between a 1.2.13 source tree and a v2.0 source tree, and there are a number of differences between the 2 plip drivers (i.e. from 1.2.13, to 2.0). One set of diff's are due to the modularization of the kernel. another set appear to be network related (the networking code was very much rehashed/rewritten during 1.3, affecting most networking stuff...) I do NOT suspect an issue w/ the EPP printer port (EPP == Enhanced Printer Port) on the laptop. In short, your course of action is probably to upgrade the laptop to a more stable kernel, either 1.2.13, or 2.0 Finally, the cable should be "a de facto standard parallel null cable -- sold as a "LapLink" cable by various places" (from plip.c -- there are also instructions for making one yourself, though a LapLink cable ought to be available from CableTronics, possibly SunTronics, possibly other stores). However, I do not think the cabling is at the heart of your SIOCSIFFLAGS error. the ifconfig _probably_ doesn't care whether the cable is plugged in, or not. not sure if any of the above will help, or not... regards, -Greg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 12:02:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA058972948; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:02:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13981; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:01:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:58:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13579; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:58:13 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13573; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:58:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA05889; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:57:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Elvin Cc: slugnet@lugs.org.sg, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PLIP gives me funny errors In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Elvin wrote: > I'm trying to get PLIP working between my IBM TP701C and my PC. I got PLIP mostly functioning between my 701 and 750, so rest assured, it is possible. Here's the script I used to turn it on (insert your IP addresses, irqs, etc.): #!/bin/sh ifconfig plip0 down ifconfig plip0 irq 7 arp ifconfig plip0 18.250.0.50 pointopoint 18.250.0.56 route add 18.250.0.56 dev plip0 Use a similar script on the other machine with the addresses reversed. The only thing that wouldn't work was using my 750 as a gateway to the Internet. Sometimes it would relay packets correctly, most times it wouldn't. I never had time to track the problem down. I gave these instructions to another 701 owner and he managed to get PLIP running so my machine is not "special." > The funny thing is, on my PC the plip devices start from plip1 -> plip2 > (on my notebook it's from plip0 to plip 1) [2 lpt ports on each machine] > My PC runs linux kernal 1.2.13 and my IBM runs kernal 1.3.30 If you have parallel printing compiled into the kernel, PLIP will not work. You need to recompile the kernel with parallel printing turned off. Also, I had the best luck with the parallel port set to a simple parallel port, not a fancy EPP or ECP port. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 13:25:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA076687920; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:25:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18033; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:24:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:21:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17895; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:21:48 -0400 Received: from seralph10.essex.ac.uk (seralph10.essex.ac.uk [155.245.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17889; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:21:44 -0400 Received: from sf113.essex.ac.uk by seralph10.essex.ac.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Feb95-1154AM) id AA30914; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:21:41 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:21:42 BST From: Jayan Patel Subject: Newbie To: Thinkpad Mailing List Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hello everyone! My name is Jayan Patel. I have just invested in my first Thinkpad, after two Toshibas (T1900C, T2155CDS). I just got a Thinkpad 560. It is the 120 MHz, 810MB Hard Drive version with 12.1" TFT screen. I got an extra 16MB RAM put in, to take it to a total of 24MB and also got a Megahertz XJ2288 Fax/Modem PCMCIA card. Other goodies so far are a parallel port Zip Drive. I'm waiting for a HP Deskjet 340 inkjet printer, Infrared dongle for the printer, Logitech Mouseman 96 and extra battery. Initially I was also going to get the Panasonic 4X PCMCIA CD-ROM player so that I could load on Lotus Smartsuite (which was bundled with the computer, but came on CD-ROM), but I put on AmiPro 3.1 so am happy enough for the present to wait for DVD to come (if it does, that is..) I'm using Windows 95 and am happy enough with it for my present purposes, but I'm looking very hard at Merlin - especially the built-in Voice Recognition. I wanted to go straight to Windows NT, but of course our friends at Microsoft have made that less of an attractive choice for portable users. I have a question: Does anyone know for certain whether the memory slot on the Thinkpad 560 for extra RAM can take one or two modules? IBM UK told me that it takes two modules, but having looked in the slot where one 16MB module is already sitting, I cannot see where another one would go. The manual seems to assume that only one module will be inserted, too. Any information will be most appreciated. Cheers. Jayan Patel patelj@essex.ac.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 17:19:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA146701986; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:19:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01953; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:18:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:13:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01574; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:13:56 -0400 Received: from andrew.cais.com (andrew.cais.com [199.0.216.215]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01568; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:13:54 -0400 Received: from cais2.cais.com (cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by andrew.cais.com (8.6.9/8.6.9-cais) with SMTP id RAA25627; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:13:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "R.J.H." To: Jayan Patel Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Newbie In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Jayan Patel wrote: snip .....> > with the computer, but came on CD-ROM), but I put on AmiPro 3.1 so > am happy enough for the present to wait for DVD to come (if it does, What is DVD (context of usage would suggest a replacement for CD-ROM)? Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 17:50:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA150373827; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:50:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03895; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:49:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:48:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03623; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:48:02 -0400 Received: from seralph10.essex.ac.uk (seralph10.essex.ac.uk [155.245.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03617; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:47:58 -0400 Received: from sf113.essex.ac.uk by seralph10.essex.ac.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Feb95-1154AM) id AA01380; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:47:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:47:49 BST From: Jayan Patel Subject: Re: Newbie To: "R.J.H." Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:13:46 -0400 (EDT) R.J.H. wrote: > On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Jayan Patel wrote: > > snip .....> > > with the computer, but came on CD-ROM), but I put on AmiPro 3.1 so > > am happy enough for the present to wait for DVD to come (if it does, > > What is DVD (context of usage would suggest a replacement for CD-ROM)? > > Thanks! While no one seems to know the exact words that DVD stand for (Digital Versatile Disc, Digital Video Disc are two that have been mentioned) the aim of DVD seems clear: it is the proposed successor to CD audio discs and also CD-ROMs for computers and also video laser discs. A digital "everything-container" as it were. The kick is that it wouldn't be just Read-Only: it would also be a writable format. Current specifications envisage fitting an entire 135-minute film on one disc (with space for soundtracks in up to three languages) or if used as a computer 'super-floppy', fitting up to 17 GB (yes GB) on one disc. However, the computer industry, consumer electronics industry, record industry and hollywood are having an almighty joint headache trying to iron out common specifications and, above all, protection against unlimited pirating of digital quality films, software and music. For more information, I refer you to the DVD FAQ (URL: http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/DVD/dvd-faq.html ) The great uncertainty is if and when all the companies involved can iron out their difficulties. Apparently there is yet another different technology in development by Fujitsu and Sony going down similar lines, but limited just to acting as the successor to floppy/CD-ROM if DVD doesn't make it, and which will be available (according to them) by the middle to end of next year. If anyone else has up-to-date information, I would be interested in hearing it, too. Jayan Patel From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 17:52:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA150793937; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:52:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04260; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:51:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:50:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04022; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:50:29 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03997; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:50:23 -0400 Received: from dialin_16.enteract.com (dialin_16.enteract.com [206.54.253.31]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id QAA28891; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:50:18 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: "R.J.H." , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:54:59 GMT Message-Id: <320d0502.4154628@smtp.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Digital Video Disc. epbrown On Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:13:46 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > >On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Jayan Patel wrote: > >snip .....> >> with the computer, but came on CD-ROM), but I put on AmiPro 3.1 so >> am happy enough for the present to wait for DVD to come (if it does, > >What is DVD (context of usage would suggest a replacement for CD-ROM)? > >Thanks! > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 18:11:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA153125095; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:11:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05562; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:11:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:09:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05332; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:09:23 -0400 Received: from mhv.net (root@csbh.mhv.net [199.0.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05325; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:09:14 -0400 Received: from taifun (port116.mhv.net) by mhv.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA09598; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:11:21 -0400 Sender: yce@mhv.net Message-Id: <320E5AB8.7CBC9B91@mhv.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 18:12:08 -0400 From: Yves-Chandler Eynard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.3 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Waldemar Puszkarz Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Waldemar Puszkarz wrote: > > Just hooked up a mouse to my TP 700 for a while. Well, have to say that > there is a big difference between a trackpoint and a mouse. The latter > allows you for much faster and more precise movements. One slight downside > though is that a regular desktop mouse (with a long tail) sort of > obstructs your movements with its long tail that is absolutely not needed > in its full glory for anything to accomplish here, a half of it would be > much better. Plus, it takes more space on one's desktop and I did buy a > laptop to have more space on the desktop for other things (not a mouse!). > Now, are you guys aware of such mice? It would be cool to have one. While > not on the road I would definitely choose this kind of mouse over > a trackpoint. Just a thought. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > Regards, Waldemar > > PS. Yes, I am sure that cordless mice are even better but that's not what > I really mean. Two things you can do with what you have: A) Neatly coil the extra cord and wire tie it (near the 9pin connector would be a better choice of ends to coil ;) ) 2) Cut the cord to whatever length you need and put a new end on it. Are you new to the trackpoint? This is the first I've heard of dis-satisfaction. I personally think the trackpoint is the most convenient pointing device to come down the pike in many a year. (In fact, I'm looking to replace my desktop keyboard with a trackpoint (though I'm not really pleased to pay IBM all that money. (another ;) ))) -- Yves-Chandler Eynard yves@mhv.net OCTET International From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 21:34:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA187227248; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:34:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15492; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:33:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:29:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15023; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:29:12 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@[206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15016; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:29:09 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_23.enteract.com (dialin_6_23.enteract.com [206.54.253.70]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id UAA07481 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 20:28:54 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dead 701 for sale Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 01:33:36 GMT Message-Id: <320d37f3.2886155@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Someone's advertising a dead 701C DX4-75 on the usenet group misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables. Wasn't someone of the list asking about one a while back? It's being offered for $450. Not mine, thank goodness! epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.entract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 21:50:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA188918204; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:50:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16871; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:49:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:47:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16616; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:47:55 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16610; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:47:52 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx02-21.teleport.com [206.163.120.85]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03186; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608110147.SAA03186@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Aaron Tunnell From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I love my 701C. Have not used IR port but want to. Wish it had a 28.8 but 14.4 works great. I want a cd rom The screen is great....I don't need bigger. I have had no problems with durability although I protect the butterfly keyboard. I have read posts on it taking substantial shocks (when closed) ie being dropped to hard floors etc. but deliver me from the experience. I definately recommend insuring it under your homeowner insurance or something comprable. Insurance is surprisingly cheap...mine includes dropage. Battery life about two hours or so depending on usage...the dual scan units (not my choice) apparently get better battery life. IBM replaced my NiCad with a NMIH for free when the original just rolled over dead shortly after purchase which was last feb. Best of all it is so small and works SO well I just love it. Everyone who sees one for the first time just flips out. My favorite geek comment was, "Pure sex!". IBM is nuts for dropping the concept for larger units. The docking station eludes me....I will continue to seek a used one (Anybody got one for sale?) as they are expensive new and I can live without it if I have to. Bryan At 03:03 AM 8/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >I know it is a out of production model, but I am thinking about getting one. >Its size and features make it great for my needs. Can anyone comment on it. >Screen, battery life, speed, modem and IR port. How much punishment can it >take? Any comments would be great. > > > >--------------------------------------- > Aaron Tunnell endoftunnell@p3.net > Do or do not, there is no try- Yoda >--------------------------------------- > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 22:04:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA190129041; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:04:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17838; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:03:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:02:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17715; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:02:03 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17707; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:02:00 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_23.enteract.com (dialin_6_23.enteract.com [206.54.253.70]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id VAA08546 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:01:57 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 02:06:39 GMT Message-Id: <320d3f0c.4702977@smtp.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On Fri, 9 Aug 96 15:27 EDT, you wrote: "The ThinkPad 701C/701CS is a sub-notebook; I emphasize the word "sub". "As such, I believe it is well designed and fulfills that role well. "It is light (4.5lb) and small (1.6x9.7x7.8in) and of course has the "expanding keyboard. Why IBM chose to phase it out baffles me. [snip] Well, technology moved a *little* too fast. With the bigger screens of today, and (as Dean Cashen noted on CSL) even better ones on the horizon, the need for an expanding keyboard was no longer a priority. I personally prefer the smaller 701 screen, but I recently spoke with someone upgrading to a 560 who touted the joys of seeing 2 windows at once without virtual screens or other "hacks." Still, seing that keyboard open is a nice site, hmm? epbrown epbrown@enteract.com http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown FS:IBM Thinkpad 701C 486DX2-50MHz 4MB/360MB $1200 *FIRM* Original Box, Accessories available From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 22:09:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA190439357; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:09:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18365; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:08:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:07:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18241; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:07:30 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18235; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:07:28 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA18715; Sat, 10 Aug 96 22:04:18 EDT Date: Sat, 10 Aug 96 22:04:18 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608110204.AA18715@nile.gnat.com> To: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Well, technology moved a *little* too fast. With the bigger screens of today, and (as Dean Cashen noted on CSL) even better ones on the horizon, the need for an expanding keyboard was no longer a priority." Not just low priority, but no priority, the demand for 10.4" screen machines is falling off VERY rapidly, what IBM found early on is that most people want larger screens, and although light weight is important, small size is not so important (the 560 weighs the same as the 701). Now what I would like to see is to use the folding keyboard technology on larger form machines to give a proper full PC keyboard, that would be nice! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 22:31:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA192630708; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:31:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19916; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:31:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:29:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19594; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:29:37 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19588; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:29:35 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-54.usc.edu [128.125.224.126]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id TAA01704; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 19:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960811023030.006d1ff8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 19:30:30 -0700 To: From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 701 and win95 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 09:05 PM 8/9/96 -0400, bivanovi@golden.net wrote: >I have two things that I don't like about the 701 running win95, does anyone >else have the same problem, or solutions? > >1. Adjusting the volume with FN PgUp / PgDn sometimes makes the pointer > disappear. This didn't happen in 3.1. Happens here too on mine. If I push the stick all the way to bottom & then back up, I usually get my pointer back. >Also, I have 8MB RAM, how much of an improvement is there, going to 16 or 24? With Win '95? I'd say enormous. I bought an extra 8 MB when I got my 701 and never regretted it. Win '95 uses a *lot* memory. Prices are so cheap now, I'd recommend you go strait to a full 24 MB. Even then, on my machine at least, it seems barely enough (I load up lots of cutesy stuff with Win '95 like Norton tools). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 22:37:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA192941056; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:37:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20454; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:37:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:32:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20014; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:32:58 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20008; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:32:54 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-54.usc.edu [128.125.224.126]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id TAA01699; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 19:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960811023027.006a8c84@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 19:30:27 -0700 To: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Cc: endoftunnell@p3.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 03:27 PM 8/9/96 EDT, David Jones wrote: > o Battery life is a little over 2 hours. This is the stock NiCd. > NiMH is longer. I am not sure if an Li-ion battery is > available for the 701. I get about 2 1/2 with the NiMH--a bit longer if I'm real careful (pause & supend everything I stop to think, etc.). Rumor had it there is a Li-ion battery for the 701C, but nobody's actually confirm/purchaed/etc. I think its wishful thinking...especially now the 701 has been discontinue. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 22:59:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA195352374; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:59:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21778; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:57:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:56:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21603; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:56:03 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21591; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:55:56 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx02-21.teleport.com [206.163.120.85]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18964 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 19:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 19:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608110255.TAA18964@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C At 10:04 PM 8/10/96 EDT, you wrote: > >Not just low priority, but no priority, the demand for 10.4" screen machines >is falling off VERY rapidly, what IBM found early on is that most people >want larger screens, and although light weight is important, small size >is not so important (the 560 weighs the same as the 701). Oh, yes how true. Sad that the laptop marketing business lost the thread of smaller completely however. Guess it makes this little guy 701a bit of unique computer history. >Now what I would like to see is to use the folding keyboard technology on >larger form machines to give a proper full PC keyboard, that would be >nice! > I'll go with that...nice idea indeed. Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 10 23:15:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA197093341; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:15:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23134; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:15:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:14:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23007; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:13:59 -0400 Received: from cosmos.psc.sc.edu (cosmos.psc.sc.edu [129.252.32.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22999; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:13:56 -0400 Received: from flux.cosm.sc.edu (flux.cosm.sc.edu [129.252.40.13]) by cosmos.psc.sc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA20789; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 03:13:50 GMT Received: from localhost by flux.cosm.sc.edu (8.6.12) id DAA01115; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 03:13:57 GMT Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:13:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz To: Yves-Chandler Eynard Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice In-Reply-To: <320E5AB8.7CBC9B91@mhv.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Yves-Chandler Eynard wrote: > Waldemar Puszkarz wrote: > > > > Just hooked up a mouse to my TP 700 for a while. Well, have to say that > > there is a big difference between a trackpoint and a mouse. The latter > > allows you for much faster and more precise movements. One slight downside > > though is that a regular desktop mouse (with a long tail) sort of > > obstructs your movements with its long tail that is absolutely not needed > > in its full glory for anything to accomplish here, a half of it would be > > much better. Plus, it takes more space on one's desktop and I did buy a > > laptop to have more space on the desktop for other things (not a mouse!). > > Now, are you guys aware of such mice? It would be cool to have one. While > > not on the road I would definitely choose this kind of mouse over > > a trackpoint. Just a thought. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, Waldemar > > > > PS. Yes, I am sure that cordless mice are even better but that's not what > > I really mean. > > > Two things you can do with what you have: > > A) Neatly coil the extra cord and wire tie it (near the 9pin connector would be a better choice > of ends to coil ;) ) > > 2) Cut the cord to whatever length you need and put a new end on it. > > Are you new to the trackpoint? This is the first I've heard of dis-satisfaction. I personally > think the trackpoint is the most convenient pointing device to come down the pike in many a > year. (In fact, I'm looking to replace my desktop keyboard with a trackpoint (though I'm not > really pleased to pay IBM all that money. (another ;) ))) > Thanks for your response. Yes, indeed I am new, what's even more (or worse:)) my trackpoint lacks an eraser head and perhaps it makes me slightly (?) biased. Just awaiting it from Fred Peters who is generously sending me one! (The people on this list are awsomely great!) But I also noticed that when you use a mouse the drift of the pointer is smaller. Now, I found something on the Web that kinda looks like what I would like to have but even more developed. Check out this site and make comments if you find it indifferent. I do hope that their mouse has a short tail but could not tell it absolutely convincingly from the pictures, although it looks like that's it. Here is the site's URL: http://www.lapleaf.com/ Regards, Waldemar > > -- > Yves-Chandler Eynard > yves@mhv.net > > OCTET International > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 00:19:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA202557179; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 00:19:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26936; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 00:13:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 00:10:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26539; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 00:10:24 -0400 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk (mail-a.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26533; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 00:10:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199608110410.AAA26533@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from dialup-7.ucl.ac.uk by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 05:10:11 +0100 X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Dr. Alexander J. Annala" Subject: SVAUDIO on TP750Cs Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 04:10:13 +0000 I'm having a difficult time getting TP750Cs SVAUDIO game audio support program to work with the following systems: USNF Gold (US Navy/Maring Fighter Simulator) EF-2000 (Euro Fighter Simulator) SU-27 Flanker (Soviet Fighter Simulator [in Russian]) Aces of the Deep (Submarine Simulator [in German]) JC GameCard II PCMCIA Joystick Interface Adaptec Slim SCSI Adaptor (for CD ROM) What game audio support characteristics do you use on TP750? I've tried primarily the following: Audio: Soundblaster Clone ADDR=220 INT=5/7 DMA=1 Music: MPU-401 ADDR=330 INT=9 What works well for you? This does not work for me. While it is nice to run through aerial/submarine combat sequences after a hard day of work, it would be better to have sound. My little 486 SL/33 keeps up pretty well with the video end of these games at 800x600 pixels x 256 colors. I use UNIVBE51 for VESA 2.0 video support. Cheers, AJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 05:42:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA231226559; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 05:42:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07369; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 03:47:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 03:29:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06358; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 03:29:30 -0400 Received: from patty.loop.net ([204.179.169.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06351; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 03:29:26 -0400 Received: from pma1_130.loop.com (pma1_130.loop.com [206.138.116.130]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA16184 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 00:28:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199608110728.AAA16184@patty.loop.net> X-Sender: howie@pop.loop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 00:29:25 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Subject: Re: Is this a clique? No one gave me the secret handshake! At 08:42 AM 8/10/96 EDT, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar)wrote: >Howard seems to think he is entitled to free advice, but mailing lists >and newsgroups don't work that way. Basically people answer either >questions that are interesting enough to invest some effort in, or >simple questions that they can answer instantly. If you ask a question >and get no answer it simply means that no one considers the question >interesting and/or no one knows an answer. Sure there is enough expertise >on the list that almost any question could be answered by someone *if* they >invested the time, but no one is being paid on a group like this to spend >time helping other people! > >And of course some people *do* like to chatter about controversial issues :-) Robert was kind enough to write to me personally and suggest that "[I] might concentrate on helping answer other peoples questions, [my] attitude seems a bit extraordinary, as though [I am] somehow entitled to free help!" Perhaps, when I posted the in-depth response to our fellow member James S. Dickson's questions relating to the 701, Robert found my post or the question "uninteresting". Whatever Robert's general demeanor as self-appointed moderator of this group, his above reply is what seems to ME most extraordinary. Not only does he see fit to dictate what I should "concentrate on..." but seems unaware that his insinuation holds little truth. No doubt he was involved in more "interesting" matters at the time of my other postings as well. (I don't respond unless I HAVE something constructive to add or say...) In any event, if he cared to peruse the copy of the posting I sent directly to him, he will see that I went to great lengths to provide the detailed information that proved helpful with my Thinkpad, information that I felt could be of use to James Dickson, or anyone else with a similar problem: Howard Simpson (no, I don't have a fancy signature either!) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 11:34:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA263657668; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:34:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08782; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:33:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:28:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08478; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:28:37 -0400 Received: from tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@tec.oz.cc.utah.edu [155.99.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08462; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:28:34 -0400 Received: from cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@cor-oz [155.99.2.2]) by tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA28228 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:28:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ctsasync51.cc.utah.edu (ctsasync51.cc.utah.edu [155.99.156.51]) by cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA04094 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608111528.JAA04094@cor.oz.cc.utah.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Joseph" Organization: University of Utah To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:28:52 -0600 Subject: 750c Win95 A-drive Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Greetings, I have a 750c and Win95 on my system. The annoying thing is the floppy drive light sometimes stays on for periods of time when I'm in Win95...no drive activity, but the lights goes on. Is this normal, or how can I remedy the problem? Thanks, Joseph G.Oertli@m.cc.utah.edu "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare, Act IV, Scene II, Henry VI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 12:20:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA268090440; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:20:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11837; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:19:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:18:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11592; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:18:23 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11585; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:18:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id MAA08545; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:19:22 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Randy Whittle Cc: bivanovi@golden.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 and win95 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960811023030.006d1ff8@scf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Randy Whittle wrote: > At 09:05 PM 8/9/96 -0400, bivanovi@golden.net wrote: > > >I have two things that I don't like about the 701 running win95, does anyone > >else have the same problem, or solutions? > > > >1. Adjusting the volume with FN PgUp / PgDn sometimes makes the pointer > > disappear. This didn't happen in 3.1. > > Happens here too on mine. If I push the stick all the way to > bottom & then back up, I usually get my pointer back. The C&T 65545 video chipset in the 701 has a "hardware mouse pointer" feature. Basically, this means instead of the OS having to draw the mouse pointer on the screen, the OS just gives a bitmap of the pointer to the hardware and pointer position, and the hardware draws it before every video refresh. It's most noticeable if you put the pointer over a scrolling window. If it's hardware-based, it will not flicker. If it isn't hardware-based, it will flicker (badly). IBM apparently used this feature on the 701 to make the battery/ volume/contrast/etc. status displays show up on-screen. The result is that if the OS uses the hardware mouse feature, the pointer bitmap is temporarily replaced by the status display. It goes back to normal if you do anything that changes the mouse pointer (pointer bitmap gets replaced again). The problem also shows up under Linux with the AcceleratedX drivers, which uses the hardware mouse feature. Win95 might have some settings that let you modify whether this feature is used. Try the mouse and video settings. It might be affected by the video hardware acceleration slider bar. That will fix the "problem," but your pointer will flicker whenever the background is redrawn. >>Also, I have 8MB RAM, how much of an improvement is there, going to 16 or 24? > > With Win '95? I'd say enormous. I bought an extra 8 MB when I got > my 701 and never regretted it. Win '95 uses a *lot* memory. Prices are so > cheap now, I'd recommend you go strait to a full 24 MB. Even then, on my > machine at least, it seems barely enough (I load up lots of cutesy stuff > with Win '95 like Norton tools). I run Win95 occasionally with 24 MB. The extra memory does help, but Win95's default swapfile management is inane (16MB free on swap partition). I'd be doing nothing in particular when Win95 suddenly decided it should reduce the swapfile size. The resulting disk activity pretty much ground everything to a halt for 5-30 sec. The extra memory seems to reduce how often the swapfile grows, but not how much. Worse yet, it would often run out of swapspace and crash. Eventually I got fed up and fixed the swapfile size at 8MB. It still crashes, but not as often. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 14:06:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA284166795; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:06:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16935; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:05:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:03:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16633; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:03:47 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16627; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:03:44 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-j-01.usc.edu [128.125.224.145]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id LAA01148; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960811180437.00bada08@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:04:37 -0700 To: "John H. Kim" From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 701 and win95 Cc: bivanovi@golden.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 12:19 PM 8/11/96 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: >The C&T 65545 video chipset in the 701 has a "hardware mouse pointer" >IBM apparently used this feature on the 701 to make the battery/ >volume/contrast/etc. status displays show up on-screen. The result is Actually, I'm glad they have this feature in the 701. It makes it *very* convenient to easily check the various status of things (sound, brightness, battery, etc.). On my 750C, if you didn't have the appropriate driver(s) loaded or Win applet running, you couldn't check this stuff. With the 701, no extras are required--built-in to the hardware. >>>Also, I have 8MB RAM, how much of an improvement is there, going to 16 or 24? >> >> With Win '95? I'd say enormous. I bought an extra 8 MB when I got >> my 701 and never regretted it. Win '95 uses a *lot* memory. Prices are so >> cheap now, I'd recommend you go strait to a full 24 MB. Even then, on my >> machine at least, it seems barely enough (I load up lots of cutesy stuff >> with Win '95 like Norton tools). > >I run Win95 occasionally with 24 MB. The extra memory does help, but All I can say is that on mine--just with Win '95 and some stuff I like Norton Navigator to load, it reports memory usage at nearly 20 MB. It has made some difference for me to go from 16 to 24 MB--Win 95 just plain uses a *lot* of memory, if its available. My desktop machine, with similar loading of stuff as my 701, *really* showed a speed/disk activity break when I went from 16 to 48 MB RAM in it--virtually zero swapfile activity (and it shuts down almost instantly, whereas it took forever with just 16 MB of RAM). I'm sure I'd see even bigger improvement on my 701 just as I did my desktop if only I could add more memory beyond the 24 MB limit. >Win95's default swapfile management is inane (16MB free on swap >partition). I'd be doing nothing in particular when Win95 suddenly >decided it should reduce the swapfile size. The resulting disk >activity pretty much ground everything to a halt for 5-30 sec. How do you tell its actually messing with the swapfile? Just whenever you have mysterious disk activity? >The extra memory seems to reduce how often the swapfile grows, but >not how much. Worse yet, it would often run out of swapspace and >crash. Eventually I got fed up and fixed the swapfile size at 8MB. >It still crashes, but not as often. You set a limit to how big the swapfile gets though. Windows still controls the size, but limited by what you set it at. Have you tried that and if so, does that help you any? ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 16:21:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA006264873; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 16:21:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26013; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 16:20:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 16:13:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25399; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 16:12:57 -0400 Received: from golden.net (root@[199.166.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25387; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 16:12:42 -0400 From: Received: from Default (swo-91.golden.org [199.166.210.91]) by golden.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA28609 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 16:08:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 16:08:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199608112008.QAA28609@golden.net> X-Sender: bivanovi@pop.golden.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 and win95 Hello, Thanks to everybody who answered my question. As to the problem with the mouse pointer disappearing, I just simply use FN-F1 and change volume and brightness from there, as well as checking battery charge. I just relieved that mine isn't the only 701 that hides the pointer. :) As well, I will upgrade to 24MB memory, and one person commented that it was not possible to go over 24MB. You can, get a 32MB module that will get you up to a total of 40MB, both IBM and Kingston sell them. As for win95 I will soon ditch it for linux, as soon as I get access to something better than 14.4... ;) I'm compiling 701 linux info, I'll post my www when I'm done. Boris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 19:38:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA051696728; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:38:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08495; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:38:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:32:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08186; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:32:48 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08180; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:32:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id TAA09193; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:33:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Randy Whittle Cc: bivanovi@golden.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 and win95 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960811180437.00bada08@scf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Randy Whittle wrote: > At 12:19 PM 8/11/96 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: > > > >Win95's default swapfile management is inane (16MB free on swap > >partition). I'd be doing nothing in particular when Win95 suddenly > >decided it should reduce the swapfile size. The resulting disk > >activity pretty much ground everything to a halt for 5-30 sec. > > How do you tell its actually messing with the swapfile? Just > whenever you have mysterious disk activity? I kept a file explorer window (or whatever it's called) open and watched the free disk space on the swapfile partition. It'd get almost full, thrash for 5-30 sec, then there'd be lots of space free. > >crash. Eventually I got fed up and fixed the swapfile size at 8MB. > >It still crashes, but not as often. > > You set a limit to how big the swapfile gets though. Windows still > controls the size, but limited by what you set it at. Have you tried that > and if so, does that help you any? That's what I did. I'd originally followed Microsoft's advice and let Win95 manage my swapfile size. Silly me. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 19:53:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA053027623; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:53:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09341; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:52:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:51:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09184; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:51:15 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09173; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:51:11 -0400 Received: from blue.pr.mcs.com (dialin_7_10.enteract.com [206.54.253.89]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id SAA19229; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 18:51:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608112351.SAA19229@enteract.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Gene J" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 18:51:40 +0000 Subject: Re: 701 and win95 Reply-To: blue@enteract.com Cc: bivanovi@golden.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) > From: Randy Whittle > >The extra memory seems to reduce how often the swapfile grows, but > >not how much. Worse yet, it would often run out of swapspace and > >crash. Eventually I got fed up and fixed the swapfile size at 8MB. > >It still crashes, but not as often. > > You set a limit to how big the swapfile gets though. Windows still > controls the size, but limited by what you set it at. Have you tried that > and if so, does that help you any? A recommendations that I've followed was setting my swap file as a "permanent" and fixed size of 2.5 x RAM; I have 24MB of RAM so my swapfile is fixed at 60MB. Once you defrag the partition with the fixed-size swapfile, the swapfile isn't supposed to defrag. When I did this I noticed my overall disk performance increase over Windows95's automatic settings. -- Gene http://www.enteract.com/~blue "While the past affords us the opportunity to learn many useful lessons that can be applied in the present, we can also gain insight for today by giving some thoughtful consideration as to what lies ahead for us in the future." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 20:12:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA054988748; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 20:12:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11771; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 20:11:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 20:10:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11622; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 20:10:42 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11614; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 20:10:38 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_26.enteract.com (dialin_6_26.enteract.com [206.54.253.73]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id TAA20441 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:10:05 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 and win95 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 00:14:47 GMT Message-Id: <320e76ae.15730911@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199608112351.SAA19229@enteract.com> In-Reply-To: <199608112351.SAA19229@enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Hey, Gene, welcome to the list! I just discovered this as well, and have set my swap file to 60MB, too. I'm downloading a benchmarking program from Winmag's site as I post this, so as soon as I defrag and run it, I'll have some definite figures on my perormance. Anyone who hasn't optimized his swap file care to be the control group for the 701? epbrown On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 18:51:40 +0000, you wrote: "> From: Randy Whittle "> >The extra memory seems to reduce how often the swapfile grows, but "> >not how much. Worse yet, it would often run out of swapspace and "> >crash. Eventually I got fed up and fixed the swapfile size at 8MB. "> >It still crashes, but not as often. "> "> You set a limit to how big the swapfile gets though. Windows still "> controls the size, but limited by what you set it at. Have you tried that "> and if so, does that help you any? " "A recommendations that I've followed was setting my swap file as a ""permanent" and fixed size of 2.5 x RAM; I have 24MB of RAM so my "swapfile is fixed at 60MB. Once you defrag the partition with the "fixed-size swapfile, the swapfile isn't supposed to defrag. " "When I did this I noticed my overall disk performance increase over "Windows95's automatic settings. "-- " Gene " http://www.enteract.com/~blue " ""While the past affords us the opportunity to learn "many useful lessons that can be applied in the "present, we can also gain insight for today by "giving some thoughtful consideration as to what "lies ahead for us in the future." " epbrown@enteract.com http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown FS:IBM Thinkpad 701C 486DX2-50MHz 4MB/360MB $1200 *FIRM* Original Box, Accessories available From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 21:28:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA062283323; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:28:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17552; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:28:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:24:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17113; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:24:48 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17107; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:24:44 -0400 Received: from dialin_19.enteract.com (dialin_19.enteract.com [206.54.253.34]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id UAA24687 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 20:24:39 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 & Win95 w/WinTune Benchmarks: OW! Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 01:28:03 GMT Message-Id: <320e8877.3137954@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 I ran the benchmarks a few minutes ago. The darn thing repeatedly mention slow RAM, fast video, and APM slowing things up a bit. The 1st was disappointing, even after following the suggestion of using the Network server config in Windows95. I was surprised about the video, as well, but the system was outperformed on almost every count by the Toshiba 2115 (the only other DX4-75 on the database). Here we go (ignore the end characters): {Wintune 95 Exchange File} {Version 1.0 Build 29 October 26, 1995} {SYSTEM version 1.0} {CPU version 1.0} {VIDEO version 1.0} {DISK version 1.0} {MEMORY version 1.0} {APPS version 1.0} [SYSTEM] SYSID=D6138D97+320e7bac Brand/Model=IBM Thinkpad 701C DX4-75MHz;#0x4 Notes=First run after swap settings;#0x4 Operating system=Windows 95, 4.0.950 Bus type=PCMCIA,ISA BIOS type=IBM 12/15/95 APM=Version 1.1 Flags 0x3 Other programs=QuickRes; DUNCE WTA Version=1.0.40 Tested on=1996/08/11 19:25:35;#0x4 .[CPU] CPU type=Intel 486DX4;#0x4 Clock rate=75 MHz;#0xd CPU load=0%;#0x9 Dhrystone=22 MIPS;#0xd Whetstone=6.7 MFLOPS;#0xd CPU class=486 CPUID1=0x0480 0x0003 WTA version=1.0.40 Tested on=1996/08/11 19:26:00;#0x8 =79 2103 2203 =64 2102 2202 .[VIDEO] Resolution=640x480;#0x4 Color depth=8 bpp;#0x4 Video speed=1.6 MP/s;#0xd Video board=Chips And Technologies, Accelerator (new) Driver type=Win95 PnP Acceleration=Enabled Create window=0.121 s;#0xb Scroll text=1.17 s;#0xb Draw lines/curves=13.7 s;#0xb Draw filled objects=0.744 s;#0xb Destroy window=0.137 s;#0xb WTA Version=1.0.40 Tested on=1996/08/11 19:26:18;#0x8 .[DISK] Cache min,now,max=6,6,6 MB Typical Role=Desktop Troubleshooting=None WTA version=1.0.40 =10 4109 4209 ..[A:\] Drive type=Removable ..[C:\] Drive type=Hard disk Cached speed=4.8 MB/s;#0xd Uncached speed=1.3 MB/s;#0xd Total space=513 MB;#0x1 Free space=298 MB;#0x1 Cluster size=16 KB;#0x1 Recycle Bin max=51 MB (10%);#0x1 Recycle Bin now=0 MB;#0x9 Last scan=1996/08/11 Last optimize=1996/08/11 Create file cached=0.00849s (1KB);#0xb Seq write cached=0.0903s (512KB);#0xb Seq read cached=0.805s (4096KB);#0xb Rnd write cached=0.0171s (64KB);#0xb Rnd read cached=0.0744s (256KB);#0xb Delete file cached=0.00684s (1KB);#0xb Create file uncached=0.00821s (1KB);#0xb Seq write uncached=1.49s (2048KB);#0xb Seq read uncached=1.92s (2048KB);#0xb Rnd write uncached=0.0697s (256KB);#0xb Rnd read uncached=0.0741s (256KB);#0xb Delete file uncached=0.0138s (1KB);#0xb Tested on=1996/08/11 19:26:28;#0x8 .[MEMORY] Installed RAM=24 MB;#0x5 Windows RAM=23.5 MB;#0x1 Free RAM=3.8 MB;#0x1 Memory used=48 %;#0x3 RAM Read avg=68 MB/s;#0xd RAM Write avg=19 MB/s;#0xd RAM Copy avg=13 MB/s;#0xd Page file driver=32-bit Total page file=60 MB;#0x1 Free page file=60 MB;#0x1 Read 4KB=172 MB/s;#0x9 Read 8KB=174 MB/s;#0x9 Read 16KB=140 MB/s;#0x9 Read 32KB=30 MB/s;#0x9 Read 64KB=30 MB/s;#0x9 Read 128KB=30 MB/s;#0x9 Read 256KB=30 MB/s;#0x9 Read 512KB=30 MB/s;#0x9 Read 1024KB=30 MB/s;#0x9 Read 2048KB=14 MB/s;#0x9 Write 4KB=15 MB/s;#0x9 Write 32KB=15 MB/s;#0x9 Write 256KB=15 MB/s;#0x9 Write 2048KB=30 MB/s;#0x9 Copy 4KB=30 MB/s;#0x9 Copy 32KB=11 MB/s;#0x9 Copy 256KB=5.5 MB/s;#0x9 Copy 2048KB=5.5 MB/s;#0x9 WTA Version=1.0.40 Tested on=1996/08/11 19:26:48;#0x8 =80 5106 5206 .[APPS] epbrown@enteract.com http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown FS:IBM Thinkpad 701C 486DX2-50MHz 4MB/360MB $1200 *FIRM* Original Box, Accessories available From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 11 22:13:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA068965996; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:13:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20740; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:12:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:10:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20610; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:10:54 -0400 Received: from apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu (apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.18.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20601; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:10:50 -0400 Received: from war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu by apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Dec94-0213PM) id AA29910; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:10:40 -0400 From: "M. Arifi Koseoglu" Received: by war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/08Jul96-1245PM) id AA03591; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:12:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:12:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9608120212.AA03591@war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 701 CS internal modem in Europe Reply-To: arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu Hello, Does anyone here have any experience in using the 701's internal modem in Europe ? I am having problems sending faxes to a ThinkPad in Turkey from the United States, although there are no problems whatsoever in receiving faxes from the same machine. While trying to send, the initial phase of the handshaking looks fine (I get the ID of the machine in Turkey), but later the connection is dropped with a message like "no response from the remote machine" (remote == Turkey). Thanks in advance, Arifi -- Arifi Koseoglu arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 02:19:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA118290781; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:19:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03789; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:18:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:14:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03316; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:14:09 -0400 Received: from mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03309; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:14:06 -0400 Received: from goldeneye- ([165.238.132.136]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14479 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 06:13:32 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dan Miles" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:12:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 701 and win95 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <19960812061330.AAA14479@goldeneye-> > From: Randy Whittle > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 96 02:30:30 +0000 > At 09:05 PM 8/9/96 -0400, bivanovi@golden.net wrote: > > >I have two things that I don't like about the 701 running win95, does anyone > >else have the same problem, or solutions? > > Anybody figured out why opening a dos window in win95 causes the 701CS screen to go bonkers? Does it happen to everyone? It didn't take long for me to stumble onto a workaround, Fn-F1, but it sure is annoying. While I'm at it, I've started using the telephone features of Faxworks and noticed an oddity. To try and cut down on the 'ringing' from speaker feedback, I tried plugging in earphones. Didn't help. And I also noticed I was only hearing the phone conversation through the left channel, along with much noise. After hanging up, I tried the earphones with win95 and heard the various win95 sounds through both channels but still had much noise on the left channel. Is this a hardware problem? thanks, Dan Miles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 03:26:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA126494770; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:26:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08256; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:25:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:21:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07843; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:21:11 -0400 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07837; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:21:09 -0400 Received: (from jollymon@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id CAA07814 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:21:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Sethi Message-Id: <199608120721.CAA07814@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: DVD To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad mail list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:21:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Jayan Patel" at Aug 10, 96 10:47:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > If anyone else has up-to-date information, I would be interested in > hearing it, too. > > Jayan Patel For what it's worth... RCA has one available for "use" (read playing with) at this weeks RCA Championship (Tennis) in Indy. This model will be available for purchase before Christmas. I heard a RCA spoksman say this on the radio today. -- ******************************************************************************* Jason Sethi Purdue University Senior in EE jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu sethi@ecn.purdue.edu URL:cernan.ecn.purdue.edu/~sethi ******************************************************************************* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 07:28:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA153199289; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 07:28:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27208; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 07:27:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 07:19:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26715; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 07:19:40 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26709; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 07:19:36 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA21116 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:19:33 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA13335; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:19:31 +1000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:19:28 +1000 (EST) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Iomega Jaz drive on thinkpad - outcome. In-Reply-To: <9608081441.AA7289@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII many thanks to those who offered suggestions regarding the problems i was having with the Jaz drive i bought . here is a summary of my experiences. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage; Thinkpad list. Subject: jaz drive Summary: jaz drive problems and prospects Keywords: JAZ backup Iomega scsi pcmcia thinkpad having posted a bit about the problems i was having getting an Iomega Jaz drive to work on the following system ... thinkpad 755CE new media bustoaster pcmcia scsi card wfwg 3.11 i might add the following: we finally got the damn thing to work. twice in a row. wow. i not sure i dare try for 3 in a row! after getting nowhere with wfwg 3.11 we installed win95 over the top of it. all sort of problems there, including non recognition of the pcmcia cards. then reinstalled wfwg 3.11 and win95 on top and the pcmcia cards were recognized. the Jaz was there as drive D: at first, then it disappeared. a win95 scandisk turned up the error: 'allocation chain for Iomega.vdx stored in wrong location'. win95 fixed that. system kept hanging when trying to use any of the Iomega Jaz setup tools. finally guest95 worked from the 3.5 diskette, the drive was there, and i did the install/setup95 routines from the tools disk. and it seems to be there. some comments: 1. if you get a Jaz drive don't be surprised if you have problems with it - problems seem common. 2. expect a) no help from Iomega and b) to spend a good deal of time with it. in my case i was helped by a first rate support person within the university, suggestions from several experts on the thinkpad list, and this newsgroup, new media, ibm support, and a few others. nothing from Iomega. 3. i made the (almost) fatal mistake of thinking the Jaz could be used as an extra drive. worked great while it worked. when it stopped working i had a week's worth of data on an inaccessible drive. when you buy a Jaz drive you should be asking yourself: what am i going to buy to back up the Jaz? 4. the Jaz disks *seem* fragile. after one of my long sessions trying to get it working one slipped out of my hand as i was trying to put it back into its case and dropped about 3-4" onto a plastic diskette box. after that it made a lot of noise when i stuck it in the drive. first time the drive was up again, it came up as needing reformating. (it was the tools disk.) but, in fairness, i should add that after getting the Jaz working again i stuck the tools disk in again and it was there. i then used it to install the win95 stuff. readable but it makes noise when spinning up - i am not sure if that will damage the drive heads in the longer term. in sum, for the Jaz drive is a great concept but: a) there is no support if you have problems; b) it seems pretty dicey to trust it with any critical data. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 08:58:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA161504721; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:58:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03922; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:57:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:54:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03560; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:54:47 -0400 Received: from cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us [198.109.120.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03554; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:54:45 -0400 Received: from escribaj.mlc.lib.mi.us ([150.198.248.129]) by cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (8.7.3/Merit) with ESMTP id IAA27088; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608121254.IAA27088@cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us> From: "Joseph Escribano" To: "Joseph" , Subject: Re: 750c Win95 A-drive Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:51:15 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | I have a 750c and Win95 on my system. The annoying thing is the | floppy drive light sometimes stays on for periods of time when I'm in | Win95...no drive activity, but the lights goes on. Is this normal, | or how can I remedy the problem? I've got W95 on a 750c and now 755c. I don't think its normal, and haven't seen this at all.--Joe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 09:25:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA164026347; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:25:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06212; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:24:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:23:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06065; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:23:00 -0400 Received: from jumbo.read.tasc.com (jumbo.read.tasc.com [147.81.244.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06058; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:22:57 -0400 Received: by jumbo.read.tasc.com (5.x/PRAT[SECURE-2.8]) id AA09174; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:21:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shemo To: Joseph Escribano Cc: Joseph , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750c Win95 A-drive In-Reply-To: <199608121254.IAA27088@cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Joseph Escribano wrote: > > > | I have a 750c and Win95 on my system. The annoying thing is the > | floppy drive light sometimes stays on for periods of time when I'm in > | Win95...no drive activity, but the lights goes on. Is this normal, > | or how can I remedy the problem? > > I've got W95 on a 750c and now 755c. I don't think its normal, and haven't > seen this at all.--Joe > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert E. Shemo TASC reshemo@tasc.com 55 Walkers Brook Dr. Voice: (617)942-2000 x3405 Reading, MA 01867 Fax: (617)942-7100 He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston, He's the man who never returned. -- "The MTA Song" by The Kingston Trio ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 09:32:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA165066756; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:32:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06984; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:31:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:30:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06865; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:30:47 -0400 Received: from bnr.ca (x400gate.bnr.ca [192.58.194.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06852; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:30:42 -0400 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:18:28 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:18:22 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:18:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 03:18:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=1073097/g=daniel/i=ds/s=hammett/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars520.b.003:12.07.96.07.18.22] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: SVAUDIO on TP... From: "daniel (d.s.) hammett" Sender: "daniel (d.s.) hammett" Message-Id: <"17004 Mon Aug 12 03:18:24 1996"@bnr.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SVAUDIO on TP750's AJ and others This is one of my pet topics on the TP750, if only because it causes massive loss of sleep, cursing, etc. I'm afraid I have no experience of the games you mentioned nor the joystick and SCSI cards, but I'm hoping that the following may help some: On my TP750, I can enable audio support with the few games I have, including: Wolfenstein Frontier XWing I have found that to get SVAUDIO to work properly, you need to include a FRAME=xxxx command in EMM386.EXE. Mine is set to C000. Without this bit, even Wolfenstein, which has some very neat auto-detection code bombs out. Games that don't work with EMM386 won't work with the TP750 audio system. Also, any games, like Doom, Doom II, Hexen, etc that use special protected mode interfaces seem to fail as well. As for you audio settings, try interupt 10, that seems to work most effectively on the games I have. I seem to recall that Int 5 did not work on XWing. Just as a quick sanity check, do you load TPAUDDD.SYS as well before SVAUDIO? Does anyone have any other experiences getting the TP750 audio support to work with DOS games? Maybe we should set up a part of the FAQ for the most popular games. Dan. NORTEL Northern Telecom (NITEC) Phoenix Customer Support Email: dhammett@nortel.ca ---- All my opinions are my own. ---- P.S If this message is badly formatted, blame COCOS or XRN, not me! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 11:06:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA179182394; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:06:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15938; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:05:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:03:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15710; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:03:51 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15704; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:03:49 -0400 Received: from blue.pr.mcs.com (dialin_6_8.enteract.com [206.54.253.55]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id KAA02816 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:03:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608121503.KAA02816@enteract.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Gene J" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:04:44 +0000 Subject: Win95 Annoyances (fixes/tweaks) WWW Page Reply-To: blue@enteract.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Thought I'd pass this along, for those who want to fix/tweak their Win95 setup and operation, check out this... http://www.creativelement.com/win95ann/ Tons of great info, like how to set swapfiles, eliminate useless files, change opening screens, etc. Gene From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 12 12:01:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA187425680; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:01:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12489; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:28:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:26:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12214; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:26:10 -0400 Received: from light.lightlink.com (stanton@light.lightlink.com [205.232.34.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12208; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:26:07 -0400 Received: from lightlink.com (stanton@localhost) by light.lightlink.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA19774 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:26:04 -0400 From: stanton Message-Id: <199608121426.KAA19774@light.lightlink.com> Subject: 750c, Win95 & Drive A: problem To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:26:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Joseph Escribano wrote: > | I have a 750c and Win95 on my system. The annoying thing is the > | floppy drive light sometimes stays on for periods of time when I'm in > | Win95...no drive activity, but the lights goes on. Is this normal, > | or how can I remedy the problem? I have this exact problem periodically. Win 95 scans drive A:, then is supposed to "move on", but doesnt (because of a defective floppy drive?). Anyway, keep a floppy handy, insert it when the light stays on too long. works for me, good luck, Stanton stanton@lightlink.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 13:06:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA203049584; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:06:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25511; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:04:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:59:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25152; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:59:51 -0400 Received: from cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us [198.109.120.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25140; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:59:48 -0400 Received: from escribaj.mlc.lib.mi.us (libpc129.lib.hfh.edu [150.198.248.129]) by cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (8.7.3/Merit) with ESMTP id MAA08037; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608121659.MAA08037@cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us> From: "Joseph Escribano" To: Cc: Subject: Re: 750c Win95 A-drive (possible solution) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:56:12 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While browsing a site suggested by someone on the list called Windows95 Annoyances, I came across what looked like the solution to your problem. It's at http://www.creativelement.com/win95ann/ and the particular section is called "Stop Windows95 from Randomly Searching the Floppy Drive" Joe ---------- | From: Joseph Escribano | To: Joseph ; tp750@cs.utk.edu | Subject: Re: 750c Win95 A-drive | Date: Monday, August 12, 1996 8:51 AM | | | | | I have a 750c and Win95 on my system. The annoying thing is the | | floppy drive light sometimes stays on for periods of time when I'm in | | Win95...no drive activity, but the lights goes on. Is this normal, | | or how can I remedy the problem? | | I've got W95 on a 750c and now 755c. I don't think its normal, and haven't | seen this at all.--Joe | | | | From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 14:28:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA219894487; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:28:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01283; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:27:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:23:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00913; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:23:47 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00887; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:23:42 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id UAA26627; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:16:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx2.ska.com(198.240.223.100) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma026619; Mon, 12 Aug 96 20:16:13 +0200 Received: from firestorm.foa.ska.com (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx2.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id UAA06232; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:23:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from fs@localhost) by firestorm.foa.ska.com (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) id UAA19385; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:23:04 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:23:04 +0200 From: Frank Sheeran Message-Id: <199608121823.UAA19385@firestorm.foa.ska.com> To: stanton@lightlink.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750c, Win95 & Drive A: problem If you open a Word document that thinks its template is on drive A:, it will read drive A: every now and then as you edit. There are quite a few programs that have configureable file search directories, and any of them could be the source of the drive. Check the configuration for whatever program seems most active when it occurs. For instance, if it is at boot, maybe you have a reference to drive A: in the Win95 start menu, etc. The existence of symbolic links in Win95 means these problems can be not-so-obvious at times... Frank From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 15:58:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA235139879; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:57:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09299; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:55:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:52:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08922; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:51:54 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08916; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:51:51 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA04100; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 01:39:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199608120739.BAA04100@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Com port problems on ThinkPads with Windows95 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:39:02 +0200" References: <20F80F20.1848@eu.pnu.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.06 on Emacs 19.31.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 01:39:19 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist From: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen) > What happens is that sometimes when they reboot, the COM ports change. > Mwave goes from for example COM2 to COM5 and the Nokia PC Card from > COM1 to COM3. They find this quite annoying since they have paid a few > dollars for their new toys. > > Question: Is this solved with Initialize in Easy Setup? If not, how? Maybe, but I doubt it. This seems to be the interaction of Plug-n-Play, Win95, and the Thinkpad BIOS. Remember that you have a lot of com ports on these devices: Serial port, Mwave, IRDa, extra serial on dock (if you have one), Nokia, etc. FWIW, when I used a Nokia card in Germany, it didn't exhibit this characteristic (but, I do have a 755CX, not a 760). What devices show up errored when the stuff moves to the other com port? BTW, something that's written correctly for Win95 doesn't actually care about the Com port, only the modem (since the kernel handles the mapping). > I've also heard that I don't need ThinkPad Features in Windows95 since > everything can be enabled/disabled from the Device Manager. So far I > haven't heard a good reason to install it. Can you set IRQs and stuff in Device Manager for a 760? I doubt it! I'd rather set that stuff in the BIOS, anyway. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 16:21:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA238531285; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:21:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12538; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:20:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:18:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12122; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:18:12 -0400 Received: from GPO.iol.ie ([194.125.2.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11802; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:14:45 -0400 Received: from mloftus.iol.ie (dialup-008.sligo.iol.ie [194.125.48.8]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail(v8.7.5) with ESMTP id VAA15840 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:14:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199608122014.VAA15840@GPO.iol.ie> From: "Mary Loftus" To: Subject: Asymetrix Digital Video Capture - disabled Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:11:27 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could anyone send me the relevant WIN.INI and/or SYSTEM.INI entries which enable the video capture drivers and software on a Thinkpad 755 CDV. I have a Thinkpad 755 CDV - which has a video capture feature. The pre-loaded software for the video capture is Digital Video Producer/Capture by Asymetrix. I recently cleaned down the system, formatted the hard drive and installed Windows 95. It worked great, cleared off a lot of rubbish and left me an extra 400mb of hard drive space. I re-installed all the Thinkpad features and programmes and new BIOS and utilities from IBM's Thinkpad Web Page, all without a hitch, EXCEPT for the video capture software. Windows 95 reports the video-capture driver is present and working normally and the Digital Video Producer software is working, BUT the video capture module ain't. When I run the Digital Video Capture, I get a messages saying 'CAPTURE DEVICE WAS NOT DETECTED. Another message box then appears advising me to check that the capture hardware is correctly installed and as a last resort to contact Asymetrix - which I did. They replied as follows: _______________________________________________ From: Web Tech Support Questions > Generally, problems like this are caused by either invalid or obsolete > drivers, and if you are running under Windows 95, you may need to download > new ones from IBM's web site, http://www.ibm.com, as the drivers that > shipped with the ThinkPads are 16-bit drivers for Windows 3.1. If you are > running Windows 3.1, try reinstalling the video capture drivers and verify > that the capture facility works properly with IBM's video test programs (if there are any). Then, try DVP again. DVP is calling the drivers for your capture card. If they do not respond, dvp reports an error of "CAPTURE DEVICE NOT DETECTED ". This means that DVP cannot find the drivers for your capture card and/or the board is not installed correctly. There are no settings that can correct this from DVP as it is the result of the hardware not functioning properly. Have you ran the diagnostic utility for your capture board? Asymetrix Tech Support _______________________________________________ I've tried their advice - but to no avail - can anyone help? Vision Communications Address: Broher, Charlestown, Co. Sligo, Ireland Phone & Fax: 353 94 54859 Mobile: 088 632047 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 16:46:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA244922796; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:46:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14779; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:45:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:43:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14579; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:43:55 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.pharmacia.se (gatekeeper.pharmacia.se [193.180.21.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14564; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:43:44 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp-eu.pnu.com by gatekeeper.pharmacia.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jan96/sal) id AA25041; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:43:37 +0200 Received: from ccMail by eu.pnu.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 20F989E0; Mon, 12 Aug 96 22:48:30 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:40:08 +0200 Message-Id: <20F989E0.1848@eu.pnu.com> From: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen) Subject: Users are not very mobile with IBM Mwave? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, mwave-l@watson.mbb.sfu.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi all! I have a few ThinkPad users that are really travelling a lot. For example to Japan, USA, Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany and a few more countries. Of course they want to read their mail when they're on the road. The thing is, they're not very pleased with the built-in Mwave modem since they need a new DAA Kit to almost every country. Not only because it costs money, it costs time too. These kits can be very hard to get, and to get in time. As you understand, it's not that good if you get your Japanese DAA Kit the week after you left Japan. What did Mwave developers think of when they did it this way? Am I missing something totally here? Best regards -------------------------------------------- Mikael Bendtsen Responsor NWSM (Pharmacia & Upjohn) Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com - mike@se.ibm.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 17:02:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA250173738; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:02:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05197; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:09:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:02:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04613; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:02:53 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.pharmacia.se (gatekeeper.pharmacia.se [193.180.21.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04601; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:02:46 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp-eu.pnu.com by gatekeeper.pharmacia.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jan96/sal) id AA25933; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:02:37 +0200 Received: from ccMail by eu.pnu.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 20F80F20; Mon, 12 Aug 96 21:07:30 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:39:02 +0200 Message-Id: <20F80F20.1848@eu.pnu.com> From: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen) Subject: Com port problems on ThinkPads with Windows95 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi all! I know there has been some discussions going on about this particular problem, but did someone ever find the best solution? I have three customers with ThinkPad 760 and Windows95. All three are using the internal Mwave modem and Nokia Cellular Data Cards for use with their cellular phones. What happens is that sometimes when they reboot, the COM ports change. Mwave goes from for example COM2 to COM5 and the Nokia PC Card from COM1 to COM3. They find this quite annoying since they have paid a few dollars for their new toys. Question: Is this solved with Initialize in Easy Setup? If not, how? I've also heard that I don't need ThinkPad Features in Windows95 since everything can be enabled/disabled from the Device Manager. So far I haven't heard a good reason to install it. Best regards -------------------------------------------- Mikael Bendtsen Responsor NWSM (Pharmacia & Upjohn) Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com - mike@se.ibm.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 17:13:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA251194382; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:13:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17381; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:12:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:09:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16942; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:09:12 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16934; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:09:05 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA03175 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1422; Mon, 12 Aug 96 17:02:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9608130002.AA1422@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id FF375E080989F8AE8525638400710114; Mon, 12 Aug 96 17:02:36 EDT To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 12 Aug 96 17:09:11 EDT Subject: Re: Com port problems on ThinkPads with Windows95 X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain i've found that these instructions solve several differnet com port and mwave problems on various thinkpads (assuming, of course, that your bios is 1.41 or better & you've installed all the thinkpad win95 diskettes): 1) boot to easy setup, initialize, restart 2) boot to easy setup, config, com ports, disable both serial ports 3) boot to win95, run 'infrared' program, disable infrared, save, don't reboot 4) run 'serial' program, enable 'serial a' on com 1, disable 'serial b,' save, don't reboot 5) run 'dsp' program, enable 'dsp device' at 430Eh, IRQ10, DMA7 (should be the default) enable 'midi' at 330h (should be the default) enable 'soundblaster support' at 220h, DMA1, IRQ5 (should be the default) enable 'modem' on COM2 (should be the default) save, don't reboot 6) run device manager, expand 'ports,' remove them all, don't reboot expand 'modem,' remove everything that may be there, don't reboot expand 'IBM Mwave Digital.....' or 'DSP,' remove everything that may be there shut down, power off, restart 7) 95 will pick up most devices when it reboots. one will ask you to select a driver. choose 'windows default driver.' reboot as many times as it picks up new devices. 8) run device manager, expand 'ports.' you should see, among other things, 'IBM Mwave Communications Port' and 'Communications Port...' (may have 'com1' or 'com2' in parentheses). ****now, if you have two listed as 'Communications Port,' in addition to the 'IBM Mwave...,' go to step 10. if you only have one listed as 'Communications Port' in addition to 'IBM Mwave...' go to step 8. if you don't have 'IBM Mwave...' listed, you either haven't installed the tpwin95 diskettes properly or you have a hardware problem.*** 8) from 'control panel,' run 'add new hardware.' don't auto-detect, select 'port,' choose '(standard port types)' in the left window, 'communications port' in the right, reboot when finished. 9) run device manager 10) you should have 2 'Communications Port' items under 'ports.' Ignore the 'IBM Mwave...' the two 'Communications Port' should say 'Com 1,' 'Com 2,' or nothing. 11) highlight the 'Communications Port' that has no 'Com' designation at the end. if they both have a designation, highlight the one labelled 'Com 2'. if neither indicates a com port, then use the second one listed. click on 'properties.' 12) select the 'driver' tab, click on the 'change driver' button, click on 'show all devices' on the left, select 'IBM' in the left window and 'IBM Thinkpad Infrared Port' on the right. click 'ok,' reboot when it's finished. the only further com port movement i've seen after doing this is that the infrared port in device manager may jump around unused com ports (4,5, none). these instructions have worked flawlessly for me on a dozen 755's, but i have never used the infrared port for anything, and it may well be unusable at this point. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 17:46:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA258066403; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:46:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20242; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:45:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:43:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19825; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:43:39 -0400 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lgushee@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.59]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19819; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:43:37 -0400 Received: (from lgushee@localhost) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01428; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:43:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:43:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Gushee To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Users are not very mobile with IBM Mwave? In-Reply-To: <20F989E0.1848@eu.pnu.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Mikael Bendtsen wrote: > The thing is, they're not very pleased with the built-in Mwave modem > since they need a new DAA Kit to almost every country. Not only > because it costs money, it costs time too. These kits can be very hard > to get, and to get in time. As you understand, it's not that good if > you get your Japanese DAA Kit the week after you left Japan. > About a week ago, I posted a query regarding the operability of the internal modem in the TP701 over the French phone system and received a number of replies that made me think that there would be no problem. (This was after dozens of queries made to as many sources). Now it seems that perhaps the problem was not solved. Are we talking about the same modem? And what on earth is a DAA? All I know is that it stands for Data Access Arrangement -- an odd name when you think about it. I know that some of IBM's PCMCIA fax modems have a built in DAA and others external DAA, presumably software of some sort. I've even been told by some presumably knowledgeable person that it was just the adapter gizmo with the French telephone plug configuration on one end, RJ-11 on the other. At one time the TP Support rep told me to get in touch with TeleAdapt. What TeleAdapt will sell you for $50 is the above mentioned adapter (25F in Paris, perhaps less in the US), instructions for manual dialing, some kind of tester (not the ModemSaver which guards against digital lines). HEEEELLLLPPPPP!!! Larry Gushee lgushee@uiuc.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 19:13:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA027631610; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:13:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29583; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:11:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:04:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27838; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:04:11 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27817; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:04:04 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09978; Mon, 12 Aug 96 19:00:46 EDT Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 19:00:46 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608122300.AA09978@nile.gnat.com> To: lgushee@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Users are not very mobile with IBM Mwave? remember that there is a discrepancy between what is technically necessary, and what is necessary legally to satisfy bogus requirements from state owned telephone monopolies. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 19:13:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA027671617; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:13:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29495; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:11:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:04:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27894; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:04:32 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27882; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:04:28 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09937; Mon, 12 Aug 96 18:57:48 EDT Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 18:57:48 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608122257.AA09937@nile.gnat.com> To: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com, mwave-l@watson.mbb.sfu.ca, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Users are not very mobile with IBM Mwave? you do not need a new DAA kit in each country! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 19:13:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA027711625; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:13:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29551; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:11:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:05:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28022; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:05:06 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27995; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:04:56 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA12433; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:04:51 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA11111; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:04:49 +1000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:04:46 +1000 (EST) To: Mikael Bendtsen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, mwave-l@watson.mbb.sfu.ca Subject: Re: Users are not very mobile with IBM Mwave? In-Reply-To: <20F989E0.1848@eu.pnu.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII different countries have different telecom standards. many are much tougher than the U.S. australia for example has a different set of specs than the U.S. some say its their monopoly (now duopoly) power to exact high payments from companies to run their devices through the telecom testing process. others say that some countries value their telephone linesmen (and women) more highly than is the case in the U.S. ... that here it is a matter of not wanting modems in the country that are capable of sending 240 volts up the telephone line at the technician working on the pole, if they don't have the appropriate cutouts. or, they don't want added line interference. i am sure someone can explain the techology better. personally i would think if you have a daa approved for australia or germany you'd be safe most anywhere. but i am not an electrical engineer, so i am not sure how valid that statement is. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Mikael Bendtsen wrote: > Hi all! > > I have a few ThinkPad users that are really travelling a lot. For > example to Japan, USA, Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany and a > few more countries. Of course they want to read their mail when > they're on the road. > > The thing is, they're not very pleased with the built-in Mwave modem > since they need a new DAA Kit to almost every country. Not only > because it costs money, it costs time too. These kits can be very hard > to get, and to get in time. As you understand, it's not that good if > you get your Japanese DAA Kit the week after you left Japan. > > What did Mwave developers think of when they did it this way? Am I > missing something totally here? > > Best regards > -------------------------------------------- > Mikael Bendtsen > Responsor NWSM (Pharmacia & Upjohn) > Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com - mike@se.ibm.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 12 21:29:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA063089744; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:29:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00464; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:15:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:10:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29206; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:09:58 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29167; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:09:48 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA12993; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:09:36 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA11301; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:09:35 +1000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:09:34 +1000 (EST) To: Larry Gushee Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Users are not very mobile with IBM Mwave? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i have used a u.s. modem in france without (too many) problems. hard part was getting the intitialization sequence. best to find someone else with a modem and look at theirs. ibm sell DAA's for different telecom systems. you would remove your internal U.S. daa, put in (as i recall) a connector that goes to you external telephone port, then plug in your new external daa to that, and a - is it rj11 - with a french adapter to the daa. i am not sure how configurable these daa's are, relative to an ordinary modem. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Larry Gushee wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Mikael Bendtsen wrote: > > > The thing is, they're not very pleased with the built-in Mwave modem > > since they need a new DAA Kit to almost every country. Not only > > because it costs money, it costs time too. These kits can be very hard > > to get, and to get in time. As you understand, it's not that good if > > you get your Japanese DAA Kit the week after you left Japan. > > > About a week ago, I posted a query regarding the operability of > the internal modem in the TP701 over the French phone system and received a > number of replies that made me think that there would be no problem. > (This was after dozens of queries made to as many sources). > Now it seems that perhaps the problem was not solved. Are we > talking about the same modem? > And what on earth is a DAA? All I know is that it stands for > Data Access Arrangement -- an odd name when you think about it. I know > that some of IBM's PCMCIA fax modems have a built in DAA and others > external DAA, presumably software of some sort. I've even been told by > some presumably knowledgeable person that it was just the adapter gizmo > with the French telephone plug configuration on one end, RJ-11 on the other. > At one time the TP Support rep told me to get in touch with > TeleAdapt. What TeleAdapt will sell you for $50 is the above mentioned > adapter (25F in Paris, perhaps less in the US), instructions for manual > dialing, some kind of tester (not the ModemSaver which guards against > digital lines). > HEEEELLLLPPPPP!!! > > Larry Gushee > lgushee@uiuc.edu > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 13 02:49:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA101238986; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 02:49:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00453; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 02:49:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 02:43:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29897; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 02:43:36 -0400 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29874; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 02:43:33 -0400 Received: from smtp.mcs.net (ad35-151.compuserve.com [199.174.138.151]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id BAA06974; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 01:42:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608130642.BAA06974@Kitten.mcs.com> To: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 2.0) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 01:42:02 CDT From: Ron Heiby Reply-To: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Users are not very mobile with IBM Mwave? ** Reply to note from Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen) Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:40:08 +0200 You might want to consider phone line adapters. I bought one I used when visiting London from TeleAdapt, Inc., before I left the US on a trip to the UK. I think I paid about $30 for it. It worked great, and I was very pleased with the service I received. The brochure says that their CIS id is 72623,706 and phone 408-370-5105 (FAX: -5110). A message from one of their reps indicates that they have an office in London at +44(0)181 233 3000, and in North Sydney at +61(0)2 9966, with other CompuServe addresses. They also list teleadapt@delphi.com and http://www.teleadapt.com. Ron. cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 13 10:27:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA146046428; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:27:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10543; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:25:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:15:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09350; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:15:34 -0400 Received: from seralph10.essex.ac.uk (seralph10.essex.ac.uk [155.245.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09344; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:15:30 -0400 Received: from sf108.essex.ac.uk by seralph10.essex.ac.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Feb95-1154AM) id AA24866; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:15:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:15:13 BST From: Jayan Patel Subject: Re: DVD To: Jason Sethi Cc: Thinkpad mail list Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > For what it's worth... > RCA has one available for "use" (read playing with) at this weeks RCA > Championship (Tennis) in Indy. This model will be available for purchase > before Christmas. > I heard a RCA spoksman say this on the radio today. > > > > -- > *************************************************************************** **** > Jason Sethi > Purdue University > Senior in EE > jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu > sethi@ecn.purdue.edu URL:cernan.ecn.purdue.edu/~sethi > *************************************************************************** **** > Do you plan to go? What will they be playing inside the machine - Audio CDs/CD-ROMs/Audio DVDs, etc.? Intriguing! Jayan Patel patelj@essex.ac.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 13 12:30:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA158613786; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:29:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21221; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:28:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:24:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20649; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:24:01 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20638; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:23:46 -0400 Received: from rg62au-cable.execpc.com (rg62au-cable.execpc.com [169.207.8.111]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA06192 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:25:43 -0500 From: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PC Week article regarding 760 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:25:00 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <3210abb5.7816706@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Below is the text of an article in this week's PCWeek On-line. The source is http://www.pcweek.com/news/0812/12ibm.html. > [PC Week Online] August 12, 1996 10:00 AM ET > IBM looking to solve > ThinkPad 760 bug > By Mark Moore > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IBM may have finally pinpointed a fix for a > problem that has been locking up IBM ThinkPad > 760 notebooks when users try to type on > external keyboards. > > Some users of the ThinkPad 760 notebooks, which > started shipping last October, have complained > of intermittent errors, lock-ups and > spontaneous reboots that occur when they type > on keyboards connected to the notebook's > external keyboard slot. > > IBM officials initially attributed the problem > to the ThinkPad 760's optional docking station. > As a result, IBM several weeks ago had > distributed via the World Wide Web a temporary > patch that disabled the internal TrackPoint > when the system was docked. > > But officials now say the problem is related to > communications between the 760's TrackPoint > system and external keyboards. Although > officials could not provide a timetable for > when a permanent fix would be available, > sources close to the Armonk, N.Y., company said > a solution could be available by the middle of > next month. > > IBM is working on a temporary fix that would > require users to attach a short patch cable to > the external keyboard and to the TrackPoint > slot on the side of the ThinkPad 760, sources > said. > > The company is also developing a permanent > solution in the form of updated BIOS software > that users could download from IBM's technical > support forums on the Internet and other online > services, sources said. > > Despite these fixes in the works, some users > criticized IBM for its slow response in > addressing the ThinkPad 760 glitches. > > "When I first contacted IBM, it was the end of > May or early June; now here it is in > mid-August, and I have people all over the > organization asking, 'Where's my laptop?'" said > Glenn Morley, senior systems engineer at DPIC > Co., in Monterey, Calif. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 13 12:51:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA161915107; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:51:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22980; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:49:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:48:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22829; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:47:59 -0400 Received: from cosmos.psc.sc.edu (cosmos.psc.sc.edu [129.252.32.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22812; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:47:52 -0400 Received: from solstice.cosm.sc.edu (solstice.cosm.sc.edu [129.252.40.17]) by cosmos.psc.sc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA27259 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:47:37 GMT Received: from localhost by solstice.cosm.sc.edu (8.6.12) id QAA00870; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:47:41 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: To keep the power on or not Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some people and I would even say that it is the majority of interested parties advocate switching the power on and off in desktops as unfrequently as possible or not at all. Well, laptops are different, but suppose that I did not care about the battery (which is really weak and I need to power my TP from an AC outlet anyway). Would it make sense to keep the power on for ever? I noticed that if I leave my TP 700 on for several hours it really does not get that hot at all. Please let me know what you would do. Is it advisable and advantageous to keep the power on in a case like that? TIA. Regards, Waldemar From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 13 17:32:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA219151922; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:32:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16060; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:28:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:25:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15828; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:25:41 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net ([204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15782; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:25:31 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-26.shadow.net [204.177.71.26]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA29383 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960813212504.006be650@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:25:04 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Dock2 and a 365X Has anyone used this combo? I have a 365 at work that just came in today and a Dock2 at home. The addendum to the Dock2 makes mention of using it with the "360" series, but from the quick look I took at the 365 today the connector is not correct. Is this not doable? Is there an adaptor I don't know about? Anyone? Donald Alan Whiteside, who will vote for Richard Lamm if he'll give me his daughter Heather's phone number. (Smart, cute AND socially conscious - woohoo!) "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 13 17:32:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA219251963; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:32:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10885; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:27:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:21:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10172; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:21:00 -0400 Received: from pdx.oneworld.com (iceberg.pdx.oneworld.com [204.87.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10142; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:20:54 -0400 Received: by pdx.oneworld.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0uqPwg-000hq4C; Tue, 13 Aug 96 13:20 PDT Received: from lscsjc.latticesemi.com by lscc.lattice.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uqPn4-000SIwC; Tue, 13 Aug 96 13:10 PDT Received: from joshua.poker by lscsjc.latticesemi.com (4.1/LSC-SM-1.3) id AA11386; Tue, 13 Aug 96 13:10:14 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 13:10:14 PDT From: cmoon@lscsjc.latticesemi.com (Cho Moon) Message-Id: <9608132010.AA11386@lscsjc.latticesemi.com> Received: by joshua.poker (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13622; Tue, 13 Aug 96 13:10:15 PDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: System Board and Win95 Hello, Recently I started experiencing some problems with the internal modem in my TP 701cs. When I use it for a period of more than a few minutes, I hear a series of beeps and then the machine crashes after the following message: Fatal exception 0D has occurred at 054D:00000218. The current application would be terminated. The same problem started happening to a 3COM PCMCIA modem, so I reported this problem to EasyServ. IBM replaced the system board and the internal modem and told me that this problem no longer occurs when they used their test drive. However, the problem still occurs on my current drive. They said that the bad system board corrupted some win95 files and applications (is this possible?) and that I need to re-load win95. I re-loaded win95 on top of the current disk (without reformatting the disk), but I still get the same problem. IBM offered to send me a new replacement drive, but they won't load win95 or transfer my data. I really want to avoid re-installing everything from scratch. Is there some Win95 files that I can simply re-load from the CD? BTW, the battery meter on the Win95 task bar disappeared when the system board failed and still doesn't show after the system board replacement and the win95 reload. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Cho Moon | Cho W. Moon | | Lattice Semiconductor, 1820 McCarthy Blvd., Milpitas, CA 95035-7425 | | (408) 428-6400x250 (voice) (408) 944-8444 (fax) cmoon@latticesemi.com | From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 13 17:34:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA219452071; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:34:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16548; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:31:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:30:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16359; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:30:22 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16348; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:30:19 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA01622; Tue, 13 Aug 96 17:26:50 EDT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 17:26:50 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608132126.AA01622@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: more on TP vs T**** Those who are allergic to the mention of products made by T***iba should read no further :-) Here are some more observations based on using the two machines (760CD and Tecra 720CDT) side by side. The trackpoint on the Tecra is much more sensitive, and in fact even at the most insensitive setting (in both Win95 and OS/2) is too sensitive for me, but I assume that this is software fixable if you know how! The keyboard on the Tecra (whose feel I like better than the 760CD buyt that is personal stuff) is more crowded. It lacks the extra row above the function keys. A notable result is that there is no Ctrl and Alt keys to the right of the space bar, only to the left. This is a disadvantage for EPM use at any rate. The Tecra definitely runs cooler, but here is an interesting observation. The Tecra has feet, and if you put it up on its feet, it runs much hotter! The fan turns on (I never heard it turn on if the machine rests on the desk) and the top of the machine gets noticably (and slight uncomfortably) warm, although the bottom still does not get as hot as the TP. This is interesting in light of our discussion on heat transfer here a while ago, since it suggests that at least for the Tecra, and at least on my desk (which has a formica top) acts as a better heat sink than air alone! Finally, there are still no 1024 x 768 OS/2 drivers for the Tecra, C&T just announced a 550 driver, but it does not work on the Tecra yet. P.S. I really like the screen, it is uncomfortable to go back to the TP screen at this stage, I use a 10 x 6 font for command windows, and it is easy to read, while resulting in nice small windows and lots of room on the screen. Basically what you have on a machine like this is a display that is about the same size as a 14" or even some 15" displays, but with a much higher clarity. Really nice to work with. P.P.S. The Tecra is about twice as fast as the 90MHz 760CD, which is very nice, but I assume that the 760ED should be as fast or faster than the Tecra. Note that the Tecra 730CDT (with 150MHz and 2.1 gig disk, is supposed to appear September 1), that's not enough of an advantage for me to move :-) but it does mean that it might be worth a bit of a wait if you want a Tecra, or alternatively that the price of the 720CDT's still around will drop. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 13 18:05:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA223703910; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:05:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19196; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:01:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:00:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19032; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:00:34 -0400 Received: from GPO.iol.ie (GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19009; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:00:24 -0400 Received: from mloftus.iol.ie (dialup-014.sligo.iol.ie [194.125.48.14]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail(v8.7.5) with ESMTP id XAA29833 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:00:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199608132200.XAA29833@GPO.iol.ie> From: "Mary Loftus" To: Subject: Re: Asymetrix Digital Video Capture - disabled Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 22:52:15 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your reply, Robert. I've just checked the video controller in Thinkpad Setup and it is configured as follows: Video BIOS: E8000h Enhanced Video: Enabled Video Connector: Video In / no video equipment (Smooth Playback) IRQ for Video Capture: IRQ9 Are these OK or is there a bigger problem? Thanks again, Mary ---------- > From: Robert G. Stevens > To: Mary Loftus > Subject: Re: Asymetrix Digital Video Capture - disabled > Date: 13 August 1996 04:15 > > At 21:11 12/08/96 +0100, you wrote: > >Could anyone send me the relevant WIN.INI and/or SYSTEM.INI entries which > >enable the video capture drivers and software on a Thinkpad 755 CDV. I > >have a Thinkpad 755 CDV - which has a video capture feature. The > >pre-loaded software for the video capture is Digital Video Producer/Capture > >by Asymetrix. > > > >I recently cleaned down the system, formatted the hard drive and installed > >Windows 95. It worked great, cleared off a lot of rubbish and left me an > >extra 400mb of hard drive space. I re-installed all the Thinkpad features > >and programmes and new BIOS and utilities from IBM's Thinkpad Web Page, all > >without a hitch, EXCEPT for the video capture software. Windows 95 reports > >the video-capture driver is present and working normally and the Digital > >Video Producer software is working, BUT the video capture module ain't. > > > The problem is that you do not have the advanced video features enabled and > the capture irq enabled. This can be found in thinkPad setuo and video > controller. > > > Regards > > Robert Stevens From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 13 20:10:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA249501421; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:10:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27052; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:09:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:07:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26854; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:07:17 -0400 Received: from mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp (mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp [202.245.160.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26846; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:07:11 -0400 Received: from jgood (async13.theonramp.net [205.243.248.238]) by mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp (8.7.5/3.4W4-07/19/96) with SMTP id JAA02654 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:06:47 +0900 Message-Id: <199608140006.JAA02654@mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John E Goodman" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:06:51 0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: more on TP vs T**** Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) > Those who are allergic to the mention of products made by T***iba should > read no further :-) Having used a 755CD [486/100 24Mb/810] for a year, but now being a 720CDT owner, my observations: If the most important factor is screen resolution, then the Tecra 720CDT wins hands down. The screen is fantastic; there simply is no substitute for pixels, when it comes to today's programs. However, I do miss the sliding brightness adjuster of the TP -- the Tecra only has two screen brightness levels, and these are adjustable only in software. Perhaps I expect the impossible, but the Tecra and brightly sunlit spaces don't work well together; the screen is best in dimly lit surroundings. In lieu of a brightness slider, adjusting the screen viewing angle changes the saturation and apparent brightness of the image to one's preference. I think I prefer the TP method of suspend & resume: my TP paged memory to disk and then seemed to go completely dead, leaving the battery with no current drain at all. The Tecra shuts down a lot quicker, but I've had 'resume failure' messages after leaving the machine suspended for a time. Mains power brings back the system to normal, if not exactly to the privious state; no problem. The Tecra telephony app works just fine 'out of the box' easy as pie, unlike my TP's software. While enjoying other aspects of the 755CD, I downloaded the then latest version of Faxworks and did my best, but didn't wind up with a faultless combination. For folk who need the NTSC connection, the TP's built-in hardware is great. However, a Snappy video capture tool is probably as good or better than the MWave DSP, since it will interpolate and yield a higher resolution image. And there are scan converters that will translate the Tecra's external monitor output to NTSC well enough, for a few hundred dollars, if this is needed. The first generation of ZV video capture cards for the Tecra seems to have sold out, while the second is around the corner. This new card should offer simultaneous audio *and* video recording capabilities. Although the verdict may be out on the ZV branch of PC cards, the Tecra had no trouble hot swapping a scsi PC card & Zip drive, under Windows 95. I also prefer the TP's volume dial, a radial wheel with numbers, to the Tecra's twist knob which, until I'd put a black zero mark on it, couldn't tell me how far off null the volume was set. Albeit this is a control that I don't often change, IBM's design seems better. I'm of two minds about the plastic: the TP's black is very fine, while the T's gray is more retiring, less assertive. Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining either way. Both companies make great machines. And the pace quickens: two months after I got the 720CDT, its going price is a thousand dollars less, falling fast, and the 730s are due out any moment now. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 06:24:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA031718252; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:24:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09396; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:19:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:11:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08859; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:11:48 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@[198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08691; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:08:13 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id LAA02185; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:57:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx2.ska.com(198.240.223.100) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma002180; Wed, 14 Aug 96 11:57:29 +0200 Received: from firestorm.foa.ska.com (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx2.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id MAA05514; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:04:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from fs@localhost) by firestorm.foa.ska.com (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) id MAA13561; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:04:09 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:04:09 +0200 From: Frank Sheeran Message-Id: <199608141004.MAA13561@firestorm.foa.ska.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: more on TP vs T**** >This is interesting in light of our discussion on heat transfer here a >while ago, since it suggests that at least for the Tecra, and at least on >my desk (which has a formica top) acts as a better heat sink than air alone! Air is an excellent insulator, when you disable convection. Many things, from storm windows to fibreglass insulation, achieve their insulating benefit simply by trapping air while disabling its ability to move. I believe Thermos bottles are filled with air, as well as styrofoam... Except for specifically non-heat-conducting materials (such as a cold-weather sleeping bag) the heat will transfer much better to solid (or liquid!!). Unless it is a very windy day... The heat-producers (CPU, memory, etc.) in both machines are the same. I guess the Tecra evens its heat production across its bottom (a thin sheet of copper would be my choice: excellent conductor of heat) whereas the TP concentrates the heat in a small area... Frank From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 08:30:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA055575850; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:30:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16414; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:29:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:27:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16133; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:27:25 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16102; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:27:17 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05592; Wed, 14 Aug 96 08:24:05 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 08:24:05 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608141224.AA05592@nile.gnat.com> To: Frank.Sheeran@ska.com, dewar@gnat.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: more on TP vs T**** I wonder whether it would help to sit the machine on top of some kind of heat sink (a big slab of copper?) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 08:40:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA057956425; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:40:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17285; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:39:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:38:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17061; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:37:58 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17055; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:37:54 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA23027; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:37:46 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA15641; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:37:44 +1000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:37:40 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: paul.johns@anu.edu.auB Subject: problems, problems - win95 & mwave In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the problems i was having accessing the jaz drive i bought to get some data back led me to switch from wfwg 3.11 to win95. got the data back but lost my slip/ppp via trumpet winsock with a 14400 modem on com1. 755CE decided to give the mwave modem a try - had done so earlier but the problems were not worth the hassle at the time. got the latest mwave - 2.11 - installed but it is just not being recognized. did everything in the ibm www page 'mwwtips.html' list, but ... 1. d. 'make sure the modem is set to com2 irq1' the mwave modem keeps showing up as set to com3. if i set something like procomm plus to com3 i get a resonse from the modem, but can't get beyond to get a dial tone, etc. (if i set procomm plus to com2, no response from the modem.) and, when i get to the bottom, 3.e., 'FISHISH, YES to restart ...' the system hangs, presumably because the next bit 'The Wizard should correctly find Mwave modem on com2' is not being satisfied. the install procedure seems to keep installing the modem on com3 when it is supposed to be on com2. suggestions welcomed (and appreciated)! regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 09:01:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA060887677; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:01:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18941; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:00:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:59:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18770; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:59:12 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18764; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:59:09 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA05529 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA3462; Wed, 14 Aug 96 08:52:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9608141552.AA3462@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id FE907497EDD0A677852563860046975E; Wed, 14 Aug 96 08:52:33 EDT To: Alden S Klovdahl Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 14 Aug 96 8:54:22 EDT Subject: Re: problems, problems - win95 & mwave X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...the problems i was having accessing the jaz drive i bought to get some data back led me to switch from wfwg 3.11 to win95. got the data back but lost my slip/ppp via trumpet winsock with a 14400 modem on com1. 755CE..." ~~~~~ as far as i know, trumpet has yet to release a 95-compatable winsock. i am certain that, if you are using the same version of trumpet that you used in 311, it is not supported in 95. i have found that it works intermittently, but i'm sure that's not what you want. the 95 dialer & scripting tool is pretty easy to configure & has worked for me as reliably as trumpet or chameleon ever did in 311. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 09:07:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA061998065; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:07:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19687; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:06:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:05:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19544; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:05:44 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19538; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:05:40 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA24263; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:05:34 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15573; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:05:32 +1000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:05:30 +1000 (EST) To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: Alden S Klovdahl , tp750 Subject: Re: problems, problems - win95 & mwave In-Reply-To: <9608141552.AA3460@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII thanks michael. one of our support people suggested the same - stay away from trumpet and use the inbuild win95 support. haven't gotten around to trying that - have gotten bogged down in trying to get the mwave modem to work. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On 14 Aug 1996, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: > "...the problems i was having accessing the jaz drive i bought to get some data > back led me to switch from wfwg 3.11 to win95. got the data back but lost > my slip/ppp via trumpet winsock with a 14400 modem on com1. 755CE..." > > ~~~~~ > as far as i know, trumpet has yet to release a 95-compatable winsock. i am > certain that, if you are using the same version of trumpet that you used in > 311, it is not supported in 95. i have found that it works intermittently, but > i'm sure that's not what you want. the 95 dialer & scripting tool is pretty > easy to configure & has worked for me as reliably as trumpet or chameleon ever > did in 311. > > > Michael J. Verne > Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group > michael_verne@vmedia.com > http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ > ------------------------------- > If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor > in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 09:09:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA062168196; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:09:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20053; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:08:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:08:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19902; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:07:59 -0400 Received: from cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us [198.109.120.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19896; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:07:56 -0400 Received: from libpc133.lib.hfh.edu ([150.198.248.133]) by cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (8.7.3/Merit) with SMTP id JAA07915 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608141307.JAA07915@cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us> From: "John P. DuLong" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Killing OS/2 Warp, How? X-Mailer: ProntoIP [version 2.0] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am new to this ListServ, I apologize if this topic has already been discussed and I missed the dialog, but here we go. How to I kill off OS/2 Warp on my IBM ThinkPad 760CD. When I first set it up I decided that I would be using Windows 3.11 but I also wanted to keep OS/2 Warp on my system so that I could eventually check it out. Wrong! After spending several weeks getting my system setup just the way I like it in Windows 3.11 I decided one day to try out OS/2 Warp. I used the Go to OS/2 Warp icon. OS/2 Warp seemed to load OK, I played with it for a few minutes and I was basically underwelmed. I then switched back to Windows 3.11, or I thought I did. After five days of troubleshooting I am now back to square one in WIndows 3.11. Basically, to make a long story short, OS/2 Warp wrote over my WIN.COM file. This new WIN.COM file was for 3.1, was 30,882 bytes, and dated 03-23-95. It insisted on loading 84K of conventional memory. The result was that I did not have enough conventional memory to do anything! When I finally replaced WIN.COM with a 3.11 files, 50,904 bytes, and dated 05-14-96, my problems went away. Now WIN.COM only take up 2K, as it should. This solution was only found after I wasted much of my time playing around with AUTOEXEC.BAT, CONFIG.SYS, WIN.INI, SYSTEM.INI, and all the other files I normally check when I run into conventional memory problems. As a consequence of this experience, I want to totally remove OS/2 Warp from my laptop. I have not found a delete or erase option with it. How does one go about it? What subdirectories do I have to delete? What files must go? Are there any parameters in INI files that must be altered? Any advice would be appreciated, thank you. John P. DuLong, Ph.D. Senior Systems Analyst Sladen Library Henry Ford Health System 2799 W. Grand Blvd. Detroit, MI 48202-2689 (313) 876-2550 (313) 874-4730, FAX From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 09:17:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA062708675; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:17:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20859; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:16:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:15:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20621; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:15:15 -0400 Received: from ucs.orst.edu (mosleys@UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20597; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:15:06 -0400 Received: by ucs.orst.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Mar96-1233PM) id AA08562; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:14:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mosley To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: I wanna see some TP guts!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all. All this talk about heat transfer and computer insides is making me (morbidly) curious. Does anyone know of a homepage that includes images of what a TP 701 (or any model) looks like taken apart? For obvious reasons, I'm not going to let my curiosity overtake my humbling technical inexperience. Nonetheless, despite my unwillingness to do violence to my own TP, I still want to see one "in the buff" Anyone out there willing to indulge my sick request? stephen mosley mosleys@ucs.orst.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 09:27:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA063869248; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:27:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21905; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:26:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:22:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21360; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:22:31 -0400 Received: from tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@[155.99.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21346; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:22:26 -0400 Received: from cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@cor-oz [155.99.2.2]) by tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA16454 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ctsasync13.cc.utah.edu (ctsasync13.cc.utah.edu [155.99.156.13]) by cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA21742 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608141322.HAA21742@cor.oz.cc.utah.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Joseph" Organization: University of Utah To: tp750 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:22:40 -0600 Subject: Trumpet Winsock 3.0a Win95 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) On 14 Aug 96 at 8:54, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: :: "...the problems i was having accessing the jaz drive i bought to :: get some data back led me to switch from wfwg 3.11 to win95. got :: the data back but lost my slip/ppp via trumpet winsock with a 14400 :: modem on com1. 755CE..." :: :: ~~~~~ :: as far as i know, trumpet has yet to release a 95-compatable :: winsock. i am certain that, if you are using the same version of :: trumpet that you used in 311, it is not supported in 95. i have Trumpet Winsock has a Win95 version out!! 3.0a Joseph G.Oertli@m.cc.utah.edu "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare, Act IV, Scene II, Henry VI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 09:48:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA067540508; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:48:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23849; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:47:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:45:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23492; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:45:21 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23479; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:45:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id JAA17719; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:46:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:46:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: "John P. DuLong" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Killing OS/2 Warp, How? In-Reply-To: <199608141307.JAA07915@cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, John P. DuLong wrote: > to square one in WIndows 3.11. Basically, to make a long story short, OS/2 > Warp wrote over my WIN.COM file. This new WIN.COM file was for 3.1, was > 30,882 bytes, and dated 03-23-95. It insisted on loading 84K of > conventional memory. The result was that I did not have enough conventional > memory to do anything! When I finally replaced WIN.COM with a 3.11 files, > 50,904 bytes, and dated 05-14-96, my problems went away. Now WIN.COM only Just FYI, IBM made Windows 3.1 DPMI compliant (like it should've been to begin with) and included it with OS/2 as Win-OS/2. Microsoft then released 3.11 (which was still not DPMI compliant and thus unable to run under OS/2) pretty much to dis IBM. I'm surprised OS/2 actually kept a copy of the 3.1 WIN.COM file around and overwrote your 3.11 WIN.COM file, but then I never tried mixing the two. All this switching and overwriting WIN.COM files and OS/2 users having to wait for Windows support could've been avoided if Microsoft had followed their own DPMI spec when making Windows in the first place. It was pretty sleezy of them to put their bottom line ahead of their customers' convenience, but that seems to be acceptable behavior in business nowadays. > As a consequence of this experience, I want to totally remove OS/2 Warp > from my laptop. I have not found a delete or erase option with it. How The Windows software that originally shipped with the Thinkpad should have an option to delete OS/2. OS/2 is an operating system and it's pretty difficult (impossible?) to delete it while it's running. After you use this delete option, there are two remaining files you'll need to zap with something like Norton Utilities. EA DATA.SF and some other file. They both have spaces in their names, which is why del won't work. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 10:45:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA074663903; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:45:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28438; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:43:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:38:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28012; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:38:19 -0400 Received: from mail.physics.ox.ac.uk (mail.physics.ox.ac.uk [163.1.244.140]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28006; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:37:49 -0400 Received: from geoff.physics.ox.ac.uk (pc138.physics.ox.ac.uk) by mail.physics.ox.ac.uk with SMTP (Oxford Physics Sendmail for ) id AA13191; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:37:16 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960814143832.00681458@mail.physics.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: hogangp@mail.physics.ox.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:38:32 +0100 To: "John P. DuLong" From: Geoff Hogan Subject: Re: Killing OS/2 Warp, How? Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Further to what John Kim has said, re deleting EA DATA.SF, you may also have a little fun using a DOS based program to delete the furthermost branches of the C:\OS2\ (or whateve its called) subdirectory as it can get a bit too deep for DOS to handle. One way round it is to use the DOS subst (or assign) command to reduce the first few levels to a single drive letter. My 755cx, also, had an OS/2 uninstall icon, next to the "Go to OS/2" icon, if I remember correctly, though, in my case, once I had got to know Warp, it was DOS that got the heave ho, so I'm afraid that I can't check or send you the utility. Good luck, Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr G P Hogan Laser Group, Clarendon Laboratory, Tel: +44 1865 272205 Parks Road, Oxford, OX1 3PU Fax: +44 1865 272400 UK Email: g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 12:29:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA087670152; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:29:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08075; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:27:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:24:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07735; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:24:12 -0400 Received: from siva ([207.33.153.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07727; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:24:08 -0400 Received: by siva (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22358; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:22:28 -0700 From: kensey@siva.captech.com (Kensey Corp.) Message-Id: <199608141622.JAA22358@siva> Subject: Re: Trumpet Winsock 3.0a Win95 To: G.Oertli@m.cc.utah.edu (Joseph) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608141322.HAA21742@cor.oz.cc.utah.edu> from "Joseph" at Aug 14, 96 07:22:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is the trumpet TCP/IP stack better than the one that ships with win95 ? the win95 stack seems 'slow' but i havent had anything to compare it to ... thanks ! doug > > On 14 Aug 96 at 8:54, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: > > :: "...the problems i was having accessing the jaz drive i bought to > :: get some data back led me to switch from wfwg 3.11 to win95. got > :: the data back but lost my slip/ppp via trumpet winsock with a 14400 > :: modem on com1. 755CE..." > :: > :: ~~~~~ > :: as far as i know, trumpet has yet to release a 95-compatable > :: winsock. i am certain that, if you are using the same version of > :: trumpet that you used in 311, it is not supported in 95. i have > > Trumpet Winsock has a Win95 version out!! 3.0a > Joseph > > G.Oertli@m.cc.utah.edu > > "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." > - Shakespeare, Act IV, Scene II, Henry VI > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 14 16:45:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA147085499; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:44:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29076; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:42:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:35:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28527; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:35:49 -0400 Received: from ns1.netone.com (ns1.netone.com [206.83.96.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28506; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:35:43 -0400 Received: from leop-c26 ([206.83.112.67]) by ns1.netone.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04366 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:35:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960814203112.002d9fec@pop.leopard.com> X-Sender: wdunn@pop.leopard.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:31:12 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Will Dunn / Leopard Communications Subject: Anatomy of a 365XD--HELP! Hello all-- I have temporary custody of a 365XD and am trying to upgrade the RAM. Documentation points out that the this is under the keyboard--to my surprise there is a plastic sheeting that is glued to the innards of the ThinkPad. The documentation makes a vague reference to this but pretty much ignores it. The plastic is adhered to a number of thin, metal parts which I have done a neat job of bending, folding, *tearing* and I am afraid to continue because I don't want to cause any physical damage to the machine. This plastic seems like insulation. I imagine that since my 755CX (P75) runs hot, this P100 probably generates some heat as well. Anyone seen this configuration, or have any insight? Any help appreciated. TIA. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 03:56:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA223125801; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:56:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15060; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:55:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:50:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14702; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:50:18 -0400 Received: from mail.westworld.com (root@mail.westworld.com [205.230.56.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14696; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:50:15 -0400 Received: from skywalker (max1.6.westworld.com [205.230.57.10]) by mail.westworld.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA28126 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:49:42 -0700 Sender: kcc@mail.westworld.com Message-Id: <3212D60F.3CAD7E18@westworld.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:47:27 -0700 From: "Kim C. Callis" Organization: Callis & Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: TP 701CS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following item is for sale: IBM ThinkPad 701CS DX4 @ 75MHz - 16 Mb RAM - (2) 340 Mb Hard Drives - External Floppy drive - External Parallel connector Pansonic D-720 CDROM Drive Leather carrying case I just moved up to a 755 CX, so I will take best offer on this item. -- Kim C. Callis kcc@westworld.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ When it Absolutely, Positively, has to be Destroyed Overnight! 1-800-MARINES -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzAKUecAAAEEAMOBDynbRx1s7HYEMH5lUYwJZXIpKfGk/Xc2fXud0XzkUc2r HSj0UKT4yPFkAZdAH4zbz4ITebvFGpaolDKTw0Zi/IoRv+7UvE1AO84awWql5Mo+ y2fSnWloYnipcDgf/6X3FeczxKvTrLeeU791Xbq7u9cu/yHQqstS0yjeF0YRAAUR tCBLaW0gQy4gQ2FsbGlzIDxrY2NAcHJpbWVuZXQuY29tPokAlQMFEDDATbrLUtMo 3hdGEQEB2ysD/30R48CkGj9vuNvwfdKg8G1bF3EdOh59G6FZeoZE5Y0pCk73zsdw KGXIa8CQ+Lk2D7iid5V8FLf13lJlNleJKDWzEgq3AZdlOSPjwX8jvJ39irW2bzfW wY0drXA5kc+9bZzDs5nRrdA6PLiAEbxkbMW2GhD3f/I6ES51V0CHqQCH =It2E -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 11:42:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA010193738; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:42:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25942; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:41:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:30:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24921; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:30:57 -0400 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24914; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:30:50 -0400 Received: from edita.cs.washington.edu (h242.dyn.cs.washington.edu [128.95.8.242]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA26661 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:30:46 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960815152627.0069e464@june.cs.washington.edu> X-Sender: hanks@june.cs.washington.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:26:27 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hanks Subject: Win95 startup annoyance + related (??) modem problem I have a 755CDV running Windows 95 which is exhibiting (at least) two annoying problems, and I'm wondering whether they're related: 1. Every time Windows starts up I get two warning boxes. The first says the APM driver isn't loaded and makes vague threats about system problems after a suspend, possibly having to do with the mouse. No mouse problems have been noted. Then the second warning box directs me to restart in DOS mode, run SETUP, and select "System with APM" or something like that. Of course this isn't possible: the SETUP program in C:\WINDOWS has been overwritten by some installation software. First question, how to make this annoying thing go away? Now second problem: 2. When I use the modem and disconnect, then suspend, wake up and try the modem again, I consistently get a "modem in use, quit other programs that are using the modem and try again" message. As you have no doubt guessed, there aren't any such programs, and believe me I have tried killing off everything! Since the first warns of horrible things happening after system suspend, and the second *is* a horrible thing that happens after system suspend, I'm wondering if fixing the first might not fix the second as well. Thanks in advance, Steve From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 12:03:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA019505022; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:03:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28057; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:01:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:00:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27701; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:00:15 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27678; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:00:09 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id LAA26440 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA5227; Thu, 15 Aug 96 12:00:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9608151900.AA5227@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id A636EF4514B4BC2D8525638700577133; Thu, 15 Aug 96 12:00:52 EDT To: Steve Hanks Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 15 Aug 96 11:59:43 EDT Subject: Re: Win95 startup annoyance + related (??) modem problem X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain in control panel/power, power management can be set to 'off,' 'standard,' or 'advanced.' make sure it's set to advanced. restart & you should see 'advanced power management support' under 'system devices' in device manager. select it, hit 'properties' & go to the 'settings' tab. make sure 'enable power management support' is checked. none of the other boxes on the page should be checked. if these settings are already correct, then i don't know what the problem is. installing the win95 thinkpad utilities & rebooting once *should* have made these changes already. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 12:36:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA025727010; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:36:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01102; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:34:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:32:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00945; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:32:31 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00939; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:32:29 -0400 Received: from philly246.voicenet.com (philly246.voicenet.com [207.103.16.145]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA22652 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by philly246.voicenet.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB8AA5.B9F1F760@philly246.voicenet.com>; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:31:47 -0400 Message-Id: <01BB8AA5.B9F1F760@philly246.voicenet.com> From: Alan Sukiennik To: tp750 Subject: Clean Pad Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:31:43 -0400 Encoding: 7 TEXT Anyone has any suggestions as to what is the best method to clean the surface, screen, keyboard, trackpoint e.t.c on ThinkPads? Mine is 755CD Regards, -=alan=- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 13:03:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA030048616; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:03:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02948; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:02:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:00:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02694; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:00:05 -0400 Received: from siva ([207.33.153.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02667; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:59:59 -0400 Received: by siva (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA08023; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:58:08 -0700 From: kensey@siva.captech.com (Kensey Corp.) Message-Id: <199608151658.JAA08023@siva> Subject: Re: Clean Pad To: alans@voicenet.com (Alan Sukiennik) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BB8AA5.B9F1F760@philly246.voicenet.com> from "Alan Sukiennik" at Aug 15, 96 12:31:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit an air duster is key to blast dust out of the keyboard and off the screen. do this once or twice a day, or more if you get as much fun out of it as i do. to clean the screen, i use stax 3 in multi surface clearner. spray it on and wipe. i only did this once months ago and its still clean ! all this stuff is avail at office depot. doug > > > Anyone has any suggestions as to what is the best method to clean the surface, screen, keyboard, trackpoint e.t.c on ThinkPads? > > Mine is 755CD > > Regards, > -=alan=- > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 15:59:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA103309184; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:59:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17185; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:57:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:51:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16579; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:51:10 -0400 Received: from prefect.tenagra.com ([204.251.142.178]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16567; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:51:02 -0400 Received: from bayou.tenagra.com (creedence.tenagra.com [204.251.142.186]) by prefect.tenagra.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06219 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:56:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608151956.OAA06219@prefect.tenagra.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jeffrey Graham" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:52:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: pcmcia controller chip in the 755C Reply-To: jgraham@tenagra.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Hello! I am a NASA contractor. We are preparing to fly several IBM thinkpad 755Cs on STS-85 in July. The machines have 12Megabytes ram, 540Meg hd. They will also have Thomas Conrad TC5141-2 pcmcia ethernet cards. Anyone know what pcmcia controller chipset is in these puppies? I need to know because we want to use Linux with them. Thanks! Jeffrey Graham jgraham@tenagra.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 16:34:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA108451242; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:34:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20396; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:32:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:30:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20033; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:30:30 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu (supply.econ.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.12.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20010; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:30:21 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id QAA20683; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:30:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608152030.QAA12689@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199607312042.QAA15528@ctpsun.ciw.edu> (kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu) Subject: Re: 3com combo card: (Re: Some questions...) Victor, I am not really sure if I am using the latest warp driver. But it re-initializes 3c589 card every time my thinkpad is awakened from hybernation. The problem is that this re-initialization does not reset the tranceiver mode. According to the log, which you can check with 3net_log command, the tranceiver mode is selected only when the driver is loaded. So, the driver only talks with the tranceiver that is active when the machine is booted. Does the driver on your machine behave differently? Shinichi >>>>> "Victor" == Victor Kress writes: Victor> This won't help the win95 folks, but with the latest Victor> drivers under warp, the 3com 3c589 card re-initializes Victor> when coming out of hybernate, or when hot plugged. This Victor> should take care of it. Victor> ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Victor> Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, Victor> D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 web page: Victor> http://granite.ciw.edu/~kress --------------------------- -- ============================================================================= Shinichi Sakata, Ph.D. The University of Michigan Internet: ssakata@umich.edu Department of Economics Phone: (313) 764-2368 / 2355 240 Lorch Hall, 1220 Fax: (313) 764-2769 611 Tappan Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 ============================================================================= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 18:11:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA121307078; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:11:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27838; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:10:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:05:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27478; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:05:52 -0400 Received: from teal.csn.net (rdm@teal.csn.net [199.117.27.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27448; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:05:43 -0400 Received: (from rdm@localhost) by teal.csn.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA22156; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:05:22 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:05:22 -0600 From: "Richard D. McRoberts" Message-Id: <199608152205.QAA22156@teal.csn.net> To: jgraham@tenagra.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pcmcia controller chip in the 755C Jeffrey Graham asked: > I am a NASA contractor. We are preparing to fly several > IBM thinkpad 755Cs on STS-85 in July. > The machines have 12Megabytes ram, 540Meg hd. > They will also have Thomas Conrad TC5141-2 pcmcia ethernet > cards. > Anyone know what pcmcia controller chipset is in these > puppies? > I need to know because we want to use Linux with them. I don't know, but you could use "probe" from Dave Hinds' pcmcia package for Linux to find out. On my 701C, it says the controller is Cirrus CL-PD672x. The package seems to install as for i82365 and it works fine. Red Hat Linux includes the pcmcia package. It is even incorporated into the installation routine with auto-detection to allow Linux installation from a pcmcia cdrom. Presuming that a mainstream machine probably wouldn't be weird, I would go ahead and try it. The latest Linux pcmcia package is at hyper.stanford.edu. It's a great package with frequent updates and good support. I'm very pleased. Hope this helps. Duff McRoberts rdm@csn.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 18:18:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA121977502; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:18:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28207; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:14:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:13:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28063; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:13:26 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28057; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:13:24 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu (slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu) by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA121507195; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:13:15 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0urAfC-0000XbC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Thu, 15 Aug 96 18:13 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 18:13 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: jgraham@tenagra.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608151956.OAA06219@prefect.tenagra.com> (jgraham@prefect.tenagra.com) Subject: pcmcia controller chip in the 755C X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] From: "Jeffrey Graham" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:52:21 +0000 Hello! I am a NASA contractor. We are preparing to fly several IBM thinkpad 755Cs on STS-85 in July. The machines have 12Megabytes ram, 540Meg hd. They will also have Thomas Conrad TC5141-2 pcmcia ethernet cards. Anyone know what pcmcia controller chipset is in these puppies? I need to know because we want to use Linux with them. Thanks! Jeffrey Graham jgraham@tenagra.com The 755C uses the Intel chipset. You don't need to know this; the PCMCIA drivers will figure it out automatically. I am using a 755C running Linux right now, with PCMCIA support -- it automatically configures itself correctly with no trouble. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 19:04:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA127480264; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:04:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01481; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:03:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:01:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01338; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:01:21 -0400 Received: from maki.wwa.com (maki.wwa.com [198.49.174.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01332; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:01:18 -0400 Received: from Palex by maki.wwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0urBPf-000rXtC; Thu, 15 Aug 96 18:01 CDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960815230104.006a3b78@wwa.com> X-Sender: alex@wwa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:01:04 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Alex Y." Subject: Where to get 760 internal CD-ROM? Does anyone know of a good source for the internal (IBM) TP760 CD-ROM? Also what is the going price for the memory upgrades, do i have to use IBM's? I sincerely appreciate all replys. Alex Y. alex@wwa.com Alex Y. alex@wwa.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 22:19:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA151631962; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:19:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13444; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:18:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:15:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13239; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:15:28 -0400 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13211; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:15:16 -0400 Received: from taitr.acona.com by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with SMTP id WAA17093 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:15:08 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960816022026.00715d14@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> X-Sender: rickt@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:20:26 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: 760c max. resolution on LCD? Anyone know? I am running 800x600 right now with the Cyber9320 adapter type and an 800x600 Laptop Display Panel monitor type under Win95. Will this ever go upto 1024x768??? Oh, I'm running in 16bit colour too. Can I do 1024 @ 256 colours? Thanks, /rickt -- main(v,c)char**c;{for(v[c++]="Rick Tait \n)";(!!c)[* c]&&(v--||--c&& execlp(*c,*c,c[!!c]+!!c,!c));**c=!c)write(!!*c,*c,!!**c);} '65 289 2-V Fastback. Looking for a cheap Edelbrock Performer carb & I/M From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 15 23:12:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA157315125; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:12:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17018; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:09:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:08:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16901; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:08:02 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16889; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:07:59 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA00468; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:08:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199608151508.JAA00468@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Rick Tait , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760c max. resolution on LCD? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:20:26 CDT." <2.2.32.19960816022026.00715d14@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:08:52 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Tait writes: Rick> Anyone know? I am running 800x600 right now with the Cyber9320 Rick> adapter type and an 800x600 Laptop Display Panel monitor type Rick> under Win95. Will this ever go upto 1024x768??? If you mean on the notebook display, no, not without changing out the display for the one recently announced. There aren't enough pixels on the LCD to give you 1024x768. You can get it on an external monitor, of course. Rick> Oh, I'm running in 16bit colour too. Can I do 1024 @ 256 colours? See above. ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 16 10:51:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA231767101; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:51:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16728; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:50:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:44:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16021; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:44:16 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16013; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:44:02 -0400 Received: from quf.execpc.com (quf.execpc.com [169.207.9.121]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA03263; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:46:43 -0500 From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: "Alex Y." Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Where to get 760 internal CD-ROM? Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:46:09 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <32148867.1320177@mailgate.execpc.com> References: <2.2.32.19960815230104.006a3b78@wwa.com> In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960815230104.006a3b78@wwa.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:01:04 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know of a good source for the internal (IBM) TP760 CD-ROM? Also >what is the going price for the memory upgrades, do i have to use IBM's? > >I sincerely appreciate all replys. > >Alex Y. >alex@wwa.com No promises, but try Dataflex at 800-662-3539. Ask for Cathy Clair, ext. 237, initially, though she may reference you to someone else in her area for regional reasons. You can mention that my name only so she understands how you came to her. We have gotten good pricing from them for a few ThinkPads and got our 760ED from them. HTH. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 16 11:34:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA236949651; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:34:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21761; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:26:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:25:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21348; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:25:10 -0400 Received: from maki.wwa.com (maki.wwa.com [198.49.174.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21329; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:25:06 -0400 Received: from Palex by maki.wwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0urQle-000rUYC; Fri, 16 Aug 96 10:24 CDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960816152444.00695b34@wwa.com> X-Sender: alex@wwa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:24:44 -0500 To: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) From: "Alex Y." Subject: Re: Where to get 760 internal CD-ROM? Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Tom, thanks. I will give them a call. Alex At 02:46 PM 8/16/96 GMT, Tom Kustner wrote: >On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:01:04 -0500, you wrote: > >>Does anyone know of a good source for the internal (IBM) TP760 CD-ROM? Also >>what is the going price for the memory upgrades, do i have to use IBM's? >> >>I sincerely appreciate all replys. >> >>Alex Y. >>alex@wwa.com > >No promises, but try Dataflex at 800-662-3539. >Ask for Cathy Clair, ext. 237, initially, though she may reference you >to someone else in her area for regional reasons. You can mention >that my name only so she understands how you came to her. > >We have gotten good pricing from them for a few ThinkPads and got our >760ED from them. HTH. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation >System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. >Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA >Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. > > Alex Y. alex@wwa.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 16 11:49:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA238650577; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:49:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23278; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:42:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:37:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22697; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:37:12 -0400 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22681; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:37:05 -0400 Received: from taitr.acona.com by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with SMTP id LAA07769 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:37:02 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960816154222.0073f590@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> X-Sender: rickt@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:42:22 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: Internal CDROM in TP760c? Is this possible? My TP760c wants to have an internal CDROM. Maybe I'm clutching at straws, but I'd love one in there... Are my hopes to be dashed? THanks, /rickt -- main(v,c)char**c;{for(v[c++]="Rick Tait \n)";(!!c)[* c]&&(v--||--c&& execlp(*c,*c,c[!!c]+!!c,!c));**c=!c)write(!!*c,*c,!!**c);} '65 289 2-V Fastback. Looking for a cheap Edelbrock Performer carb & I/M From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 16 12:16:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA241702185; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:16:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25823; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:12:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:10:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25440; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:10:16 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25424; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:10:12 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA02615; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:11:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199608160411.WAA02615@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Rick Tait Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Internal CDROM in TP760c? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:42:22 CDT." <2.2.32.19960816154222.0073f590@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:11:14 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Tait writes: Rick> Is this possible? My TP760c wants to have an internal CDROM. Maybe I'm Rick> clutching at straws, but I'd love one in there... Rick> Are my hopes to be dashed? 'fraid so. There isn't a CD ROM drive that could fit in the available space. I'm not sure if the interface would work (although I suspect it would). ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 16 18:16:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA289933777; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 18:16:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24747; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 18:03:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:59:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24319; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:59:41 -0400 Received: from p3.net (root@p3.net [206.67.12.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24312; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:59:36 -0400 Received: from Mark Tunnell.p3.net (nbwga13.p3.net [206.137.135.13]) by p3.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA07296 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:37:33 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960816215837.006723f0@p3.net> X-Sender: endoftunnell@p3.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:58:37 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Aaron Tunnell Subject: Toshiba Newsgroup Is their a group like this for Toshiba notebooks. Someone also said their was a Newsgroup just for 701 owners, wre they referring to this one or dose the 701 really have its own news group? I want to listen in, hope to become the happy owner or a 701 soon. --------------------------------------- Aaron Tunnell endoftunnell@p3.net Do or do not, there is no try- Yoda --------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 16 23:41:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA026403280; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:41:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14000; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:39:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:31:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13423; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:30:58 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13386; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:30:53 -0400 Received: from dialin_7.enteract.com (dialin_7.enteract.com [206.54.253.22]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id WAA06574 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 22:30:43 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: One word: Classifieds Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 03:35:40 GMT Message-Id: <321532f0.6196654@smtp.enteract.com> References: <3212D60F.3CAD7E18@westworld.com> In-Reply-To: <3212D60F.3CAD7E18@westworld.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Remember the thread we had awhile back about selling through the classifieds rather than the net? I recently bought another 701 to get a DX4-75 and a larger drive. I posted an article in misc.forsale..portables asking $1200 for my old DX2-50 with 12MB of RAM last week. Withing ten minutes I got an offer of $1000, and before the day was out generous souls were undercuting that, advising me that this system was only a 486, the model was discontinued, it had the NiCad battery, blah, blah, blah. I mentioned to one guy that IBM wanted more than a $1000 for the *active matrix display* alone, hard drives and their caddies are in demand (hell, *I'm* looking for one!), and I was sure I could sell the RAM, battery, and manuals and still come out ahead. Parted out, I could get $1200. The guy sent back an email explaining I was somewhat naive about the laptop market. Right. Another guy mentioned that I probably wouldn't get more than a grand, considering I still had the system THREE DAYS after posting without someone meeting my price. Oooh. Today was the 1st day my classified was printed. A CEO for a stock trading co. called me at 8:30am and asked if I could come by around noon and let him see the system. The guy ran the diagnostics and gave me $1200 cash (the new hundreds look like play money, don't they?) on the spot. I got the impression I'd *underpriced* the system, especially considering I've gotten about 12 calls this evening. (I'll be taking calls for a while, the Trib says it's too late to stop the Saturday and Sunday runs). I paid $1500 for the DX4, so I managed to upgrade my processor, hard drive (my old one was 360, the new 540MB), and memory (4MB more base RAM and I already had a 16MB chip) for three hundred bucks. By the way, IBM's policy on transferring the warranty is like this: If you have a receipt, they will honor the warranty from the date of original purchase. If you don't get the receipt for the used system, they will honor the warranty for 3 years from the date of the system's release (in my case May 1995). If you complain, which I didn't, they'll go so far as to check the serial # and see when the system came off the line and go with that date. Thought some of you'd be interested in that. epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 00:05:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA028704722; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:05:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15748; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:04:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:02:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15626; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:02:56 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15619; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:02:51 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02483; Fri, 16 Aug 96 23:59:35 EDT Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 23:59:35 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608170359.AA02483@nile.gnat.com> To: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: One word: Classifieds I would say that you are both right, it is true that you could get $1200 for that machine, and it was also true that it was not worth nearly that much. What this shows is that if you are inclined you can certainly try to sell a machine for more than it is worth (to someone who knows what things are worth) if you manage to find someone who does not know what things are worth! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 00:56:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA035527768; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:56:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19088; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:55:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:53:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18872; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:53:23 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18866; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:53:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id AAA26560; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:54:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:54:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: One word: Classifieds In-Reply-To: <9608170359.AA02483@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > I would say that you are both right, it is true that you could get > $1200 for that machine, and it was also true that it was not worth > nearly that much. What this shows is that if you are inclined you > can certainly try to sell a machine for more than it is worth (to > someone who knows what things are worth) if you manage to find > someone who does not know what things are worth! At the risk of dragging this out, I would say "market price" is an aggregate of what anyone is willing to pay, not just those who "know what things are worth." There will be a range of prices people are willing to pay. The stingy ones (most of Usenet) are at the low end of the distribution, and by no means define what a machine is "worth." Just because you made a better deal than the lowest bidder doesn't mean you sold it to someone who doesn't know what it's worth. Since this is really off-topic, I won't comment further on this thread. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 10:45:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA087993133; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:45:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00258; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:44:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:39:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29693; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:39:50 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29686; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:39:47 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA62346 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:39:44 GMT Message-Id: <199608171439.OAA62346@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip139-92-53-66.vi.at.ibm.net(139.92.53.66) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaW3YDe7; Sat Aug 17 14:39:34 1996 From: "Siegfried Hanisch" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 14:36:25 +0200 Reply-To: "Siegfried Hanisch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Siegfried Hanisch's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 701, IBM Tokenring PCMCIA card problems Hi! I have problems getting an IBM Tokenring PCMCIA card to work in my 701CS under OS/2 Warp Connect. The same PCMCIA card works well in another Thinpad (I think this is a 755) with the same drivers. The error message is something like "RequestWindow failed" when the driver tries to access the PCMCIA card (error message in \IBMCOM\LANTRAN.LOG). While loading the IBM driver, there is this "error beep". When removing and reinserting the card, the error beep again. Plug&Play tells me the card is not ready. Any ideas? Greetings # Quick to judge Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger =====================================# Slow to understand siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear =====================================# Walk hand in hand http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt" PGP public key available # Team OS/2 # From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 11:03:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA089784205; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:03:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01467; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:02:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:01:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01372; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:01:13 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01364; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:01:11 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-07.usc.edu [128.125.224.79]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id IAA13512; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 08:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960817150216.006f8610@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 08:02:16 -0700 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: One word: Classifieds Cc: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 11:59 PM 8/16/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >I would say that you are both right, it is true that you could get >$1200 for that machine, and it was also true that it was not worth >nearly that much. What this shows is that if you are inclined you >can certainly try to sell a machine for more than it is worth (to >someone who knows what things are worth) if you manage to find >someone who does not know what things are worth! You know Robert, just a few months ago when people were bitching about how unnecessarily expensive some new 1 Gig hard drive from IBM was, you were right out there telling people that its worth whatever people will pay for it and IBM was justified in selling it for whatever they felt like. Well, it works two ways buddy. The fact of the matter is that computer *is* worth $1200--to someone, even if its not you. And Evan Brown proved it. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 12:59:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA101381193; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:59:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08204; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:59:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:51:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07872; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:51:50 -0400 Received: from GPO.iol.ie (GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07865; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:51:44 -0400 Received: from mloftus.iol.ie (dialup-040.galway.iol.ie [194.125.1.40]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail(v8.7.5) with ESMTP id RAA10642 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 17:51:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199608171651.RAA10642@GPO.iol.ie> From: "Mary Loftus" To: Subject: Video Capture gone West Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 17:47:38 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I requested win.ini & system.ini in the hope that I could breathe life back into my Asymetrix Digital Video Capture program - it's on a TP 755CDV. On examining those kindly sent, I'm still unable to get even a flicker. When I run Digital Video Capture I get a messages saying 'CAPTURE DEVICE WAS NOT DETECTED. Another message box then appears advising me to check that the capture hardware is correctly installed etc. etc. Is there any other way to check that the capture drivers are working - Windows 95 reports that 'this driver is working normally' from the System section of Control Panel. All ideas welcome. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 13:32:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA105093179; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:32:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09834; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:32:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:29:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09538; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:29:14 -0400 Received: from hupa (hupa.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09531; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:29:06 -0400 Received: from harold-franklin by hupa (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA27976; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:28:50 -0700 Message-Id: <32160190.4413@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:29:52 -0700 From: Tom Franklin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBWE (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: IBM 42.2MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBM PCMCIA Hard Drive -- $65 -Have used drive in TP760 -P/N 70G8495 -Native Capacity: 42.4 MB -18 ms Access Time -Requires Standard PCMCIA 2.01 Type III Slot -2.1 MB/sec Data Transfer (16.8 max) -No Bad Sectors -Windows '95 Autorecognizes Drive -One Year Warranty Includes: -Orignal Box -Driver Disk -Receipt -Carrying Case Great for transport of files between laptops or back up of important files. Price includes shipping and COD charges to US addresses. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 13:48:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA106634079; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:47:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10617; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:47:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:45:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10450; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:45:24 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10433; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:45:19 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05327; Sat, 17 Aug 96 13:41:54 EDT Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 13:41:54 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608171741.AA05327@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: One word: Classifieds Cc: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu " You know Robert, just a few months ago when people were bitching about how unnecessarily expensive some new 1 Gig hard drive from IBM was, you were right out there telling people that its worth whatever people will pay for it and IBM was justified in selling it for whatever they felt like. Well, it works two ways buddy. The fact of the matter is that computer *is* worth $1200--to someone, even if its not you. And Evan Brown proved it." You miss the consistency here. The way I value used stuff is that I compare the used stuff to what you can buy new. Sure I understand that someone may pay $1200 for that machine, but I wonder if they would do so if they knew the comparable new prices available today! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 14:07:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA108595278; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:07:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11718; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:07:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:04:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11391; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:04:03 -0400 Received: from upsmot03.msn.com ([204.95.110.85]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11373; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:03:54 -0400 Received: from upmajb02.msn.com (upmajb02.msn.com [204.95.110.74]) by upsmot03.msn.com (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id KAA29450 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:58:00 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 17:52:41 UT From: "David Eisler" Message-Id: To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Testers wanted for new laptop tool Hello. I'm Dave Eisler. I love my Thinkpad, but at times I'm frustrated by compromises like the small screen, Track Point, and limited RAM. So I've written a handy Windows 3.1 utility called Speed. My friends who've used it the last 6 mos love it. Now I'm looking for more fellow laptop owners to check it out. Speed efficiently combines program launching, task switching and status display like no other utility. Speed especially meets the needs of laptop users with fast keyboard control, efficient use of screen space, and compactness. * Enjoy the luxury of launching, switching or closing tasks with a single click or just two keystrokes, even from another maximized application. * A discreet clock shows date, memory status, mouse position and system loading. * Quick utilities designed especially for laptops are included like instant screen hide, world time, fast exits, list every icon. Learn about and download the complete program (with installer and uninstaller) from the Speed web site: http://members.aol.com/ssspeed/ If you don't have web access, I can send you speed.zip (550KB) attached to email. Or, if you can't accept attached files, give me your real world address and I'll send you a 3.5" floppy. Please be speedy because version 1.0 (won't be free!) is due Sept 1. Thank you for your help in making Speed the best program launcher around! -Dave eisler @ usa.net Arvada CO 303/423-3541 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 14:18:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA109985886; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:18:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12285; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:17:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:14:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12009; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:14:56 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12003; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:14:50 -0400 Received: from ([158.185.126.12]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA16842; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:14:07 -0700 Message-Id: <32160CA0.30A5@conic.lmco.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:17:04 -0700 From: Tom Franklin Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instrumentation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: One word: Classifieds References: <9608171741.AA05327@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Dewar wrote: > > " You know Robert, just a few months ago when people were bitching > about how unnecessarily expensive some new 1 Gig hard drive from IBM was, > you were right out there telling people that its worth whatever people will > pay for it and IBM was justified in selling it for whatever they felt like. > > Well, it works two ways buddy. The fact of the matter is that > computer *is* worth $1200--to someone, even if its not you. And Evan Brown > proved it." > > You miss the consistency here. The way I value used stuff is that I compare > the used stuff to what you can buy new. Sure I understand that someone > may pay $1200 for that machine, but I wonder if they would do so if they > knew the comparable new prices available today! We are now in the "information age" where better access to information is worth money. People on the net have a wealth of information at their disposal which creates a near perfect market. A perfect market where pricing information flows freely is a place where buyers should expect bargains. The person that bought the laptop probably had poor access to information. He may have seen the initial pricing on the TP701 and in his mind's eye he got an tremendous deal. That is the best of all transactions where both buyer and sell believe they got a tremendous deal. For example, I bought a TP755CX in November on AOL for $2800 and sold it last month for $3000 in a local paper. Now I did upgrade the memory and hard drive while I owned it, but that only cost me $400. So for $100 I owned a nearly top of line laptop for 8 months. This isn't the only time I have done this either. Time and time again I advertize something for a price I wouldn't think is reasonable, I get hammered by low bids for a week on the net, when the ad hits the local rags it sells very quickly. Welcome to the information age. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 14:19:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA110065964; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:19:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12511; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:19:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12316; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:17:41 -0400 Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12310; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:17:38 -0400 Received: from cnw.com (skag1-05.cnw.com [206.40.133.45]) by baker.cnw.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04942 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608171817.LAA04942@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 11:13:11 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: One word: Classifieds In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960817150216.006f8610@scf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.1 At 11:59 PM 8/16/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >I would say that you are both right, it is true that you could get >$1200 for that machine, and it was also true that it was not worth >nearly that much. What this shows is that if you are inclined you >can certainly try to sell a machine for more than it is worth (to >someone who knows what things are worth) if you manage to find >someone who does not know what things are worth! Gee Robert, with opinions such as those, would you please contact me the next time you have a used TP to sell? Actually, since used machines are worth so little to those who /know/ what things are worth, you would probably just give me your old one, right? Of course, if you are using someone else's money and don't actually own the machine then your /opinion/ of what one is worth is theoretical at best. My apologies for wasting bandwidth to those who have already put Robert in their twit filter. Vicky -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Vicky Stables, CPA stables@cnw.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 14:28:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA110696509; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:28:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13130; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:28:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:26:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12979; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:26:23 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12973; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:26:21 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05605; Sat, 17 Aug 96 14:23:10 EDT Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 14:23:10 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608171823.AA05605@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, stables@cnw.com Subject: Re: One word: Classifieds "Gee Robert, with opinions such as those, would you please contact me the next time you have a used TP to sell? Actually, since used machines are worth so little to those who /know/ what things are worth, you would probably just give me your old one, right? " I (or my company) owns all the thinkpads we buy, but we never sell them second hand, we keep them in service indefinitely. For us this is more cost effective than selling them. One thing I wonder though is if people realize what the new prices are on old thinkpads. Of coruse you can't find ads for these on the net, you have to walk the stores and find what's on the shelf, but I have seen LOTS of bargains, selling at prices comparable to the used prices being discussed here, and have helped many of my friends to buy thinkpads brand new at what seem like absurdly low prices. As I said before, not everyone has easy access to this kind of opportunity, so it may be worth their while to buy used machines at higher prices. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 16:29:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA123393744; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:29:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21212; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:28:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:23:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20825; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:23:38 -0400 Received: from public.nfld.com (root@public.nfld.com [198.165.106.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20796; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:23:35 -0400 Received: from thinkpad-750c (ts01-p09.remote.nfld.com [198.165.106.138]) by public.nfld.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00071; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 17:53:04 -0230 Message-Id: <199608172023.RAA00071@public.nfld.com> From: "Terry Parrell" To: "Mary Loftus" , Subject: Re: Video Capture gone West Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 17:52:46 -0300 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Mary Loftus > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Video Capture gone West > Date: August 17, 1996 1:47 PM > > I requested win.ini & system.ini in the hope that I could breathe life back > into my Asymetrix Digital Video Capture program - it's on a TP 755CDV. On > examining those kindly sent, I'm still unable to get even a flicker. > > When I run Digital Video Capture I get a messages saying 'CAPTURE > DEVICE WAS NOT DETECTED. Another message box then appears advising me to > check that the capture hardware is correctly installed etc. etc. > > Is there any other way to check that the capture drivers are working - > Windows 95 reports that 'this driver is working normally' from the System > section of Control Panel. > > All ideas welcome. Not sure this will help But, There is a setup for the TP that turns tthe Video thingy on. The TP then has to be rebooted. Hope this is any help. Terry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 16:58:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA126325483; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:58:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23060; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:56:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:51:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22606; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:50:58 -0400 Received: from GPO.iol.ie ([194.125.2.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22506; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:49:44 -0400 Received: from mloftus.iol.ie (dialup-008.galway.iol.ie [194.125.1.8]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail(v8.7.5) with ESMTP id VAA26386; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:48:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199608172048.VAA26386@GPO.iol.ie> From: "Mary Loftus" To: "Terry Parrell" , Subject: Re: Video Capture gone West Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:45:47 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the reply, Terry. Unfortunately you don't win a pint of Guinness on this occasion. The Video Controller looks quite happy - reporting that Enhanced Video is enabled, the Video In Connector is selected and the Video Capture IRQ is 9. Everything LOOKS fine. > > I requested win.ini & system.ini in the hope that I could breathe life > back > > into my Asymetrix Digital Video Capture program - it's on a TP 755CDV. > On > > examining those kindly sent, I'm still unable to get even a flicker. > > > > When I run Digital Video Capture I get a messages saying 'CAPTURE > > DEVICE WAS NOT DETECTED. Another message box then appears advising me to > > check that the capture hardware is correctly installed etc. etc. > > > > Is there any other way to check that the capture drivers are working - > > Windows 95 reports that 'this driver is working normally' from the System > > section of Control Panel. > > > > All ideas welcome. > > Not sure this will help But, There is a setup for the TP that turns tthe > Video thingy on. The TP then has to be rebooted. Hope this is any help. > > Terry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 18:18:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA155200332; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:18:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28108; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:18:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:15:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27913; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:15:34 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27906; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:15:29 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:15:18 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: Re: FS: IBM 42.2MB PCMCIA Hard Disk To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:15:18 +0200 (MES) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > IBM PCMCIA Hard Drive -- $65 > -Have used drive in TP760 > -P/N 70G8495 > -Native Capacity: 42.4 MB > -18 ms Access Time > -Requires Standard PCMCIA 2.01 Type III Slot > -2.1 MB/sec Data Transfer (16.8 max) 16.8 MB/s ??? And I thought something around 2MB/s is the limit, due to the capacity of the PCMCIA bus. Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 17 18:29:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA155730979; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:29:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28899; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:28:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:27:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28775; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:27:24 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28769; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:27:20 -0400 Received: from ([158.185.126.12]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA22069; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:26:40 -0700 Message-Id: <321647D3.4E03@conic.lmco.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:29:39 -0700 From: Tom Franklin Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instrumentation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FS: IBM 42.2MB PCMCIA Hard Disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christoph Eyrich wrote: > > > > > IBM PCMCIA Hard Drive -- $65 > > -Have used drive in TP760 > > -P/N 70G8495 > > -Native Capacity: 42.4 MB > > -18 ms Access Time > > -Requires Standard PCMCIA 2.01 Type III Slot > > > -2.1 MB/sec Data Transfer (16.8 max) > > 16.8 MB/s ??? And I thought something around 2MB/s is the limit, > due to the capacity of the PCMCIA bus. Sorry you're right. The box says "16.8 Mbps (2.1 MBps) average media rate". Why they spec it in mega bits per second is beyond me. Probably meant confuse someone like me which is exactly what it did. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 02:58:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA026671502; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:58:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25804; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:54:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:48:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25398; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:48:20 -0400 Received: from mail.his.com (sgs@mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25392; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:48:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (sgs@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA25570 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:48:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:48:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Simon G. Smith" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dip script for 701 internal modem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ok, I know this is getting very linux related, but could anyone please send me their dip script which gets their TP701 internal modem to dial-into their ISP? I can't get the modem to respond.... Thanks much Simon sgs@his.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 03:02:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA035631732; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 03:02:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26345; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 03:01:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:59:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26077; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:59:33 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26069; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:59:27 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA22850 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:59:02 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA27138; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:58:58 +1000 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:58:57 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: system commander on tp 755CE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII any experience with 'system commander' - the multi-boot program - on a thinkpad 755CE? had a good review in byte a while back (pournelle) but am wondering if anyone has tried it on a tp. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 14:23:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA114362625; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:23:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12456; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:22:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:14:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11458; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:14:24 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11452; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:14:21 -0400 Received: from default (mol-il2-15.ix.netcom.com [205.184.148.79]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA29036 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 11:13:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199608181813.LAA29036@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Carmody" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 13:11:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: TP-760ED Mwave Driver Version? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) I have a Thinkpad 760ED, 6/96 vintage, and wonder how I can tell what version of Mwave driver is installed, and for that matter what version driver is the latest. Having problems with Monologue for windows text-to-speech program that I bought from Egghead, since it wasn't installed this time, as it was with with previous Thinkpads. Any comments, please? Thanks! -- John Carmody E-mail: oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 15:07:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA154285240; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:07:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15360; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:06:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:04:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14996; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:04:27 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us ([198.94.160.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14988; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:04:21 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.0) id AA12224; Sun, 18 Aug 96 12:04:20 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.1) id AA01109; Sun, 18 Aug 96 12:03:03 -0700 X-Squishy-Bearz: Puffy, Cozy, Wuz Wuz, and Pierre X-Url: http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:03:00 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Netscape keeps HD from sleeping Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8ca m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8ca m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Netscape keeps my HD from sleeping. I have my HD set to sleep after 5 minutes, even on AC. Whenever I have Netscape running (version 2.0, 3.0beta, whatever), the HD will never spin down. 5 minutes after I quit Netscape though, the HD will sleep. What is Netscape doing that is preventing the HD from sleeping? --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 15:40:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA171557219; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:40:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17212; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:39:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:37:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17067; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:37:20 -0400 Received: from mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (mail.Herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17061; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 15:37:12 -0400 Received: from zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (baiti@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.100]) by mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA01329 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:36:44 +0200 Received: (from baiti@localhost) by zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA07922 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:25:02 +0200 From: Friedemann Baitinger Message-Id: <199608181925.VAA07922@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de> Subject: T-pad 760ED Problems To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing-List) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:25:01 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i just got one of these recently. win95 was preloaded. i have the following problems: - when the systems goes in some sort of a sleep mode and then wakes up as a result of some keyboard or mouse activity, the colors are all messed up and it's reboot time in order to get it back. any idea? - the 760ED has a MWave DSP which can emulate a 28.8kbps modem. i am not able to get the modem running. it accepts 'AT' commands sent via hyperterm and the 'leds' on the modem status window indicate that it's accepting the commande on the DTE end, however, it appears to me that the modem never really goes off-hook. i can't hear a dialtone nor any other noise from the DCE end, although, i can hear the DTMF tones when i dial a telephone number. help is greatly appreciated. ps: anybody running linux on the 760ED? i have it running, it took me about 10 hours to get it installed and configured. XFree86 is still not configured correctly. if somebody has a XF86config, please mail it to me. -- Friedemann Baitinger baiti@herrenberg.netsurf.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 16:41:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA235340909; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:41:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21188; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:41:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:39:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20948; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:39:16 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20942; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:39:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id QAA00208; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:39:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:39:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: RedHat & HD (was: Netscape keeps HD from sleeping) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Chris Osborn wrote: > What is Netscape doing that is preventing the HD from sleeping? Go to options->network and set the disk cache size to 0k. You may want to bump up the RAM cache while you're there. Unfortunately, this seems to make Netscape unstable under MS-Windows and SGI/IRIX. It seems more stable under Linux, but RedHat Linux hits the disk frequently anyway, so it's of limited value. Speaking of which, has anyone figured out how to keep RedHat from waking the hard disk so often? I moved recently and lost my dorm's ethernet connection. I found that if I don't run the network stuff in init.d, RedHat stops waking the hard disk. I haven't had a chance to track down the exact cause. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 18:25:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA267677119; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:25:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27985; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:24:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:21:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27641; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:21:30 -0400 Received: from hincks.physics.carleton.ca (hincks.physics.carleton.ca [134.117.14.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27634; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:21:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:21:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: GODFREY@physics.carleton.ca Message-Id: <960818182123.20200135@physics.carleton.ca> Subject: Hard Drives I'm becoming totally frustrated with my 340 Meg drive. I know this topic comes up often but the situation also changes pretty quickly. Can anybody give me an idea of hard drive prices (800 Meg or preferably greater) and reliable vendors. Also, is there anything I have to reinstall that might not be obvious or can I just reinstall the operating system and software? Thanks in advance Steve Godfrey PS I have a 755Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 19:04:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA274339442; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:04:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00232; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:03:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:01:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29931; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:01:24 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29923; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:01:20 -0400 Received: from ([158.185.126.12]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA23797; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:00:50 -0700 Message-Id: <3217A156.11DC@conic.lmco.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:03:50 -0700 From: Tom Franklin Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instrumentation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hard Drives References: <960818182123.20200135@physics.carleton.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386 wrote: > comes up often but the situation also changes pretty quickly. Can > anybody give me an idea of hard drive prices (800 Meg or preferably greater) > and reliable vendors. The Toshiba 850MB (12.5mm) is selling for $239 new (Drive Outlet Center at 1-800-260-5944). You will have to use your old plastic drive caddy. I know nothing about this vendor except they advertize in Computer Shopper. Also note, you will loose the ability to hibernate if you buy a Toshiba drive. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 19:43:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA285341829; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:43:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02315; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:43:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02104; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:41:22 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02098; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:41:19 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA15740; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:41:05 GMT Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:41:05 GMT Message-Id: <199608182341.XAA15740@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip129-37-178-122.bc.ca.ibm.net(129.37.178.122) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaNmkDFW; Sun Aug 18 23:40:54 1996 X-Sender: szivos@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Alex Y." , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Geza Szivos Subject: Re: Where to get 760 internal CD-ROM? I received good (and very affordable) TP760 RAM (16M) from ChipMerchant www.chipmerchant.com Still looking for affordable additional hard-drive for 760CD. At 06:01 PM 8/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know of a good source for the internal (IBM) TP760 CD-ROM? Also >what is the going price for the memory upgrades, do i have to use IBM's? > >I sincerely appreciate all replys. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Geza Szivos Systems Engineer, SIVCO Inc. BESTeam and TEAMOS2 Member Certified IBM OS/2 Expert, Certified LAN Server Expert, DB/2 and AD Specialist Tel: (403)-850-4500 FAX: (403)-547-4741 Szivos@ibm.net TalkLink:lnk9094 IBMMail(CANOVXVV) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 20:01:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA298342894; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:01:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03145; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:01:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:59:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02911; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:59:26 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us (nvcc.nvc.cc.ca.us [198.94.160.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02905; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:59:23 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.0) id AA14713; Sun, 18 Aug 96 16:59:19 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.1) id AA02616; Sun, 18 Aug 96 16:58:28 -0700 X-Squishy-Bearz: Puffy, Cozy, Wuz Wuz, and Pierre X-Url: http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:58:26 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: "John H. Kim" Subject: Re: Netscape keeps HD from sleeping Cc: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8ca m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8ca m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit On Aug. 18 96, 13:39 PDT, "John H. Kim" wrote: > Go to options->network and set the disk cache size to 0k. You > may want to bump up the RAM cache while you're there. That doesn't seem to have made any difference. Netscape still keeps the HD from sleeping. Why would Netscape be playing with the disk cache when I'm not doing anything anyway? --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 21:11:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA012547108; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:11:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08347; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:10:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:07:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07677; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:07:27 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07671; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:07:25 -0400 Received: from dialin_7_11.enteract.com (dialin_7_11.enteract.com [206.54.253.90]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id UAA03972 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:07:21 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hard Drives Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:12:22 GMT Message-Id: <3217bedf.12958329@smtp.enteract.com> References: <960818182123.20200135@physics.carleton.ca> <3217A156.11DC@conic.lmco.com> In-Reply-To: <3217A156.11DC@conic.lmco.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:03:50 -0700, you wrote: "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386 wrote: "> comes up often but the situation also changes pretty quickly. Can "> anybody give me an idea of hard drive prices (800 Meg or preferably greater) "> and reliable vendors. " "I know nothing about this vendor except they advertize in Computer "Shopper. Also note, you will loose the ability to hibernate if you buy a "Toshiba drive. " Why on earth would would that happen? Hibernate just needs some space to write to the drive. Why couldn't you do it on a Toshiba? (I'm negotiating with someone for a 1.3 Toshiba for my 701 right now...) epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 18 21:52:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA017189522; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:52:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12658; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:51:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:49:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12310; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:49:30 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12304; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:49:26 -0400 Received: from ([158.185.126.12]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA27573; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:48:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3217C89E.B4D@conic.lmco.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:51:26 -0700 From: Tom Franklin Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instrumentation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hard Drives References: <960818182123.20200135@physics.carleton.ca> <3217A156.11DC@conic.lmco.com> <3217bedf.12958329@smtp.enteract.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit epbrown wrote: > Why on earth would would that happen? Hibernate just needs some space to > write to the drive. Why couldn't you do it on a Toshiba? (I'm Frankly, I have no idea, but two different times I bought a Toshiba drive, my same software build (restored from tape) would no longer hibernate. Someone else also made this same observation a while back. If someone else has got it to work, please tell me the secret. I have avoided the Toshiba drives because I like the hibernate feature. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 19 05:42:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA081517772; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:42:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23712; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:41:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:34:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23113; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:34:51 -0400 Received: from pointer.netpoint.net (pointer.netpoint.net [198.69.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23106; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:34:45 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (dppp27.netpoint.net [198.69.200.127]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA01087; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:26:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199608190926.FAA01087@pointer.netpoint.net> To: "Alex Y." , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 2.0) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:34:35 EST From: Bill Schwartz Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: Re: Where to get 760 internal CD-ROM? Addressed to: "Alex Y." THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Geza Szivos Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:41:05 GMT I can't help you with the CD-Rom but I can with the ram. My company has done business with many members of this group. I dist. MPM GoldenRam they are an approved aftermarket source for TP memory. What that means is that there are no third party chips or boards used and you are covered by IBM'S warranty if you use there products. The 16MB for your TP will cost you $175.00. Warranty is lifetime. Bill High Performance Cartridges Inc. Po Box 545890 Surfside, Fl. 33154 PH:(305)868-8430 FAX:(305)864-7367 URL:http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/hpcart.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 19 08:20:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA096447218; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:20:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01498; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:19:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:16:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01309; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:16:26 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01303; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:16:22 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id FAA27559; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:16:13 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma840456972.027556; Mon Aug 19 05:16:12 1996 Received: (from perley@localhost) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) id FAA17400; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:16:11 -0700 From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199608191216.FAA17400@cds9258.cadence.com> Subject: Re: Netscape keeps HD from sleeping To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 5:16:11 PDT Cc: jokim@mit.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Chris Osborn" at Aug 18, 96 4:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > On Aug. 18 96, 13:39 PDT, "John H. Kim" wrote: > That doesn't seem to have made any difference. Netscape still keeps > the HD from sleeping. > > Why would Netscape be playing with the disk cache when I'm not > doing anything anyway? This may not be your problem here, but remember that some of the newer web pages have cycling pictures that keep your i/o going forever. -Don Perley From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 19 09:32:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA103811549; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:32:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07417; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:31:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:27:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06916; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:27:51 -0400 Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06910; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:27:45 -0400 Received: from CLAUDIA ([129.126.232.4]) by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA07189 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:18:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199608191318.AA07189@kodakr.kodak.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:33:00 -0400 From: "King, Randall" Subject: RE: Anatomy of a 365XD--HELP! To: thinkpad , Will Dunn / Leopard Communications X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME We have a few of the 365X's, not the XD's, but I will assume the innards are the roughly same. The 365's take a DIMM and they go in the center towards the rear of the machine, just behind the new 'unremovable' hard drive (grrrrrr....). I did see that mine ran pretty hot. I am also assuming that the XD has a CDRom in it, which will also add to the heating. From what I understand, that plastic sheeting is not only for a heat shield, but it is also a marker for service. You are not supposed to remove the plastic liner, if you do it supposedly invalidates the waranty. Not a bad little machine for the cost, but I would much rather have my modularity than a few bucks in my pocket. RK ---------- From: Will Dunn / Leopard Communications To: thinkpad Subject: Anatomy of a 365XD--HELP! Date: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 5:18PM Hello all-- I have temporary custody of a 365XD and am trying to upgrade the RAM. Documentation points out that the this is under the keyboard--to my surprise there is a plastic sheeting that is glued to the innards of the ThinkPad. The documentation makes a vague reference to this but pretty much ignores it. The plastic is adhered to a number of thin, metal parts which I have done a neat job of bending, folding, *tearing* and I am afraid to continue because I don't want to cause any physical damage to the machine. This plastic seems like insulation. I imagine that since my 755CX (P75) runs hot, this P100 probably generates some heat as well. Anyone seen this configuration, or have any insight? Any help appreciated. TIA. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 19 13:54:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA143997280; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:54:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07281; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:52:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:40:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05700; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:40:08 -0400 Received: from GPO.iol.ie (GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05667; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:39:57 -0400 Received: from mloftus.iol.ie (dialup-025.sligo.iol.ie [194.125.48.25]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail(v8.7.5) with ESMTP id SAA16271 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:39:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199608191739.SAA16271@GPO.iol.ie> From: "Mary Loftus" To: Subject: Re: Asymetrix Digital Video Capture - disabled Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:27:09 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No luck Robert, but thanks for the suggestions. All of the software seems to be present and accounted for - using all the latest IBM disks. I think another call to IBM is my next move. >Mary: > >My video is set to C0000H and I use irq 11. I think irq 9 conflicts with >some of my pcmcia cards. Also to use enchanced video you have to load >a >driver in the config.sys file. > >device=C:\V7320\V7320MGR.EXE >device=C:\V7320\V7320APM.EXE > >This may be missing in your config.sys file. > >Regards > > >Robert Stevens >>Thanks for your reply, Robert. I've just checked the video controller in >>Thinkpad Setup and it is configured as follows: >> >>Video BIOS: E8000h >> >>Enhanced Video: Enabled >>Video Connector: Video In / no video equipment (Smooth Playback) >>IRQ for Video Capture: IRQ9 >> >>Are these OK or is there a bigger problem? >> >>Thanks again, >> >>Mary >> >> >> Vision Communications Address: Broher, Charlestown, Co. Sligo, Ireland Phone & Fax: 353 94 54859 Mobile: 088 632047 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 19 13:54:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA144047283; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:54:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07278; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:52:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:40:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05741; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:40:16 -0400 Received: from GPO.iol.ie (GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05669; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:39:59 -0400 Received: from mloftus.iol.ie (dialup-025.sligo.iol.ie [194.125.48.25]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail(v8.7.5) with ESMTP id SAA16279; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:39:35 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199608191739.SAA16279@GPO.iol.ie> From: "Mary Loftus" To: Cc: Subject: Re: TP 755CDV - Video Capture Gone West - Help Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:29:18 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No luck Jeff, but thanks for the suggestions. All of the software seems to be present and accounted for - using all the latest IBM disks. I think another call to IBM is my next move. ---------- > From: jeffs@nando.net > To: Mary Loftus > Subject: Re: TP 755CDV - Video Capture Gone West - Help > Date: 18 August 1996 01:24 > > Check out http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tpsu.html and make sure that > you have installed the correct/latest versions of the drivers. If you > have, then call IBM there might be a /ardware problem. > > In message <01bb8c5c$87168320$LocalHost@mloftus.iol.ie> - "Mary > Loftus" 17 Aug 1996 16:54:27 GMT writes: > :> > :>I've got a Thinkpad 755CDV - and a problem: > :> > :>When I run Digital Video Capture I get a messages saying 'CAPTURE > :>DEVICE WAS NOT DETECTED. Another message box then appears advising me to > :>check that the capture hardware is correctly installed etc. etc. > :> > :>The problem surfaced on installing Windows 95 on a cleaned down (but backed > :>up) machine - seemed like a good idea at the time! > :> > :>Is there any other way to check that the capture drivers are working - > :>Windows 95 reports that 'this driver is working normally' from the System > :>section of Control Panel. > :> > :>All ideas welcome. > :> > > > > jeffs@nando.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 19 14:09:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA145548170; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:09:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08986; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:08:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:07:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08849; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:07:20 -0400 Received: from ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com (ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com [165.79.140.230]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08843; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:07:17 -0400 Received: from derka.ibs.uscs.com ([165.79.144.189]) by ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 0-16816) with SMTP id AAA161 for <@ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:49:58 -0700 Received: by derka.ibs.uscs.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA17529; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:06:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:06:37 -0700 From: tcb@derka.ibs.uscs.com (Tim Barthel) Message-Id: <199608191806.LAA17529@derka.ibs.uscs.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: port replicator anyone? Reply-To: barthetc@ibsdns1.ibs.uscs.com When I try to run X with my laptop connected to a port replicator, I get the error unable to open mouse device. Any ideas? Thanks. Tim B. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === | Timothy C. Barthel email: barthetc@ibs.uscs.com # | Software Engineer === # === | Production Systems Integrity, MS/8388 # # # | International Billing Services voice: 916 939-5832 # # # | 5220 Robert J. 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Lundell, DDS" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Known Design FLAW in Select-A-Dock !!! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:53:38 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a TP 760 ED and a Select-A-Dock. Here's the problem...when docked and powered on (by pressing the TP power on switch) the power to the Select-A-Dock comes on, but the system doesn't always boot...it just sits there with the power indicator on. To get it to boot, I have to repeat the power on-off-on sequence several times. Having deemed this to be unacceptable, I sent both my TP and Select-A-Dock to EASY SERV twice...the first time they replaced the TP system board, but that didn't fix the problem. The second time, the technician said that the problem stems from a known design flaw in the Select-A-Dock, but IBM has NO FIX FOR IT! I find this completely unacceptable. I paid $7k plus for this system (TP and Dock) and this is the response from IBM??? Frankly, I was shocked. Is anyone else having this or similar problems? How can I escalate within IBM for resolution? Vic Lundell (vkl@acsu.buffalo.edu) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 19 22:20:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA055967633; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:20:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16263; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:20:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:19:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16155; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:19:05 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16148; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:19:02 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-124.shadow.net [204.177.71.124]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA19566; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960820021852.00728404@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:18:52 -0400 To: Tom Franklin , epbrown From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Hard Drives Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 06:51 PM 8/18/96 -0700, Tom Franklin wrote: >If someone else has got it to work, please tell me the secret. I have >avoided the Toshiba drives because I like the hibernate feature. Worked on my 750 with a 540M Toshiba. Donald Alan Whiteside, who will vote for Richard Lamm if he'll give me his daughter Heather's phone number. (Smart, cute AND socially conscious - woohoo!) "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 06:39:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA217527546; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:39:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22360; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:38:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:33:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21824; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:33:11 -0400 Received: from mail.eunet.ch (mail.eunet.ch [146.228.10.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21794; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:33:07 -0400 Received: from everest.esec.ch by mail.eunet.ch (8.7.5/1.34) id KAA11288; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:32:34 GMT Received: from blanc (blanc.esec.ch [194.191.94.144]) by everest.esec.ch (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03373; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:20:17 +0200 Sender: seibert@al.esec.ch Message-Id: <3219755C.2D0D@al.esec.ch> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:20:44 +0200 From: Carsten Seibert Organization: ESEC SA, Cham, Switzerland X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.01 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Victor K. Lundell, DDS" Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Known Design FLAW in Select-A-Dock !!! References: <199608200155.VAA03736@conciliator.acsu.buffalo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the same configuration like Vic (TP760ED+Select-A-Dock) and unfortunally the same problems. It seems that the first power-on with TP's power switch never works for me. I have to power off and on again and then it is working fine. If I switch the power off after a shutdown and then immediately switch it on again it also works fine. I agree that this situation is unacceptable but so far nobody (not even IBM) told me a solution to this problem. For me is the conclusion: I bought too early, should have waited for the Toshiba Tecra 730CDT! Carsten Seibert (seibert@al.esec.ch) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 07:32:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA222810737; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:32:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25838; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:31:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:29:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25372; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:29:38 -0400 Received: from mail11.digital.com (mail11.digital.com [192.208.46.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25366; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:29:32 -0400 Received: from mkoexc2.mko.dec.com by mail11.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.2/1.0/WV) id HAA12356; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mkoexc2.mko.dec.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BB8E68.7F2C6720@mkoexc2.mko.dec.com>; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:23:34 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gary Henry To: "'ThinkPad List'" , "'Victor K. Lundell, DDS'" Subject: RE: Known Design FLAW in Select-A-Dock !!! Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:25:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am having the same problem with the 760ED and a DOCK1..... I am glad I am not alone!!!! :-) Gary ---------- From: Victor K. Lundell, DDS[SMTP:vkl@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Monday, August 19, 1996 9:54 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Known Design FLAW in Select-A-Dock !!! I have a TP 760 ED and a Select-A-Dock. Here's the problem...when docked and powered on (by pressing the TP power on switch) the power to the Select-A-Dock comes on, but the system doesn't always boot...it just sits there with the power indicator on. To get it to boot, I have to repeat the power on-off-on sequence several times. Having deemed this to be unacceptable, I sent both my TP and Select-A-Dock to EASY SERV twice...the first time they replaced the TP system board, but that didn't fix the problem. The second time, the technician said that the problem stems from a known design flaw in the Select-A-Dock, but IBM has NO FIX FOR IT! I find this completely unacceptable. I paid $7k plus for this system (TP and Dock) and this is the response from IBM??? Frankly, I was shocked. Is anyone else having this or similar problems? How can I escalate within IBM for resolution? Vic Lundell (vkl@acsu.buffalo.edu) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 10:15:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA240100536; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:15:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08661; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:14:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:11:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08336; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:11:03 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08299; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:10:57 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id JAA31005; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:13:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id JAA14940; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:10:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:10:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hard Drives In-Reply-To: <960818182123.20200135@physics.carleton.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386 wrote: > I'm becoming totally frustrated with my 340 Meg drive. I know this topic > comes up often but the situation also changes pretty quickly. Can > anybody give me an idea of hard drive prices (800 Meg or preferably greater) > and reliable vendors. I recently got a IBM 810 meg from Compu-d (sorry, I don't have their number handy. they're in california, advertise in CRN It was $239. To get it to work though, I had to de-solder one of the drive select pins, though I believe that applies to the 750 only. best regards, harry seaman From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 11:05:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA245763539; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:05:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14186; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:04:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:02:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13904; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:02:35 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp2.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13883; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:02:27 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ussPN-00028dC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 23:07 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA00285; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:00:52 +0800 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:00:51 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Missing PCMCIA cover and those rubber caps. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I've lost the PCMCIA cover for the slot on my TP701C. Does anyone know where I can get a replacement ? Does IBM sell them seperately ? Is there a part number ? Also, I'm using up my mouse cursor rubber caps fast (I use the rough ones which wear off) I would like to buy a couple of them (>30 or so) and was wondering if there are any mail-order firms that sell rough ones that fit the 701C. (Multi-colored?) Does IBM sell them too? Any info will be appreciated. Thaanx Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 11:25:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA248174723; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:25:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16656; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:24:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:21:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16079; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:21:10 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16069; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:21:07 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16095 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23630; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:21:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Pentium Upgrades Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I noticed in an IBM announcement today that the pentium upgrade for the 755CE/CD and 760 no longer require you to send it to easyserv to have it done. I suppose it's some do-it-yourself kit now. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 11:25:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA248214743; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:25:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16652; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:24:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:22:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16342; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:22:09 -0400 Received: from ns1.netone.com (ns1.netone.com [206.83.96.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16323; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:22:05 -0400 Received: from leop-c26 ([206.83.112.67]) by ns1.netone.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23306; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960820151732.002bc7cc@pop.leopard.com> X-Sender: wdunn@pop.leopard.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:17:32 -0600 To: "King, Randall" From: Will Dunn / Leopard Communications Subject: RE: Anatomy of a 365XD--HELP! Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >From what I >understand, that plastic sheeting is not only for a heat shield, but it is >also a marker for service. You are not supposed to remove the plastic >liner, if you do it supposedly invalidates the waranty. Now you tell me! ;) I ripped up the inside of the machine fairly well. The machine is being EZ Served to replace the plastic after the RAM was installed. The documention is very unclear and the techs really don't understand the configuration, but they did promise to fix it for free. Thanks for your response. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 11:25:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA248254748; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:25:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16648; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:24:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:22:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16335; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:22:08 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16302; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:22:02 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA23585; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:21:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA24227; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:21:45 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA02951; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:21:45 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:21:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben X-Sender: ben@mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr To: Elvin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Missing PCMCIA cover and those rubber caps. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I've lost the PCMCIA cover for the slot on my TP701C. Does anyone > know where I can get a replacement ? Does IBM sell them seperately ? Is > there a part number ? IBM wanted like 40 bucks for the cover. 10 for the little square in the middle and like 30 for the big square around it. Yeah. Its really outrageous... > Also, I'm using up my mouse cursor rubber caps fast (I use the > rough ones which wear off) I would like to buy a couple of them (>30 or > so) and was wondering if there are any mail-order firms that sell rough > ones that fit the 701C. (Multi-colored?) Does IBM sell them too? Yup. IBM sells them. You can find the part numbers for both by asking IBM to fax you a part sheet for the 701. Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 11:35:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA249985351; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:35:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18276; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:34:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:33:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17906; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:33:10 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17898; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:33:07 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0ussli-00010DC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 11:31 EDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 11:31 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Elvin on Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:00:51 +0800 (SGT)) Subject: Re: Missing PCMCIA cover and those rubber caps. I can give you the part numbers: PCMCIA Cover 04H8346 PCMCIA Filler Plug 04H8348 TrackPoint III Cover 04H8387 Sorry, no idea regarding price or availability David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 11:38:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA250385531; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:38:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18666; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:37:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:35:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18456; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:35:56 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18450; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:35:53 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17209; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21766; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:36:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:36:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof Reply-To: Joshua Hosseinof To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pentium Upgrades In-Reply-To: <9608201523.AA07735@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good question, a lot of these upgrades (the mono to Color lcd upgrades spring to mind) have been total vaporware and ended up being so expensive that you were better off buying a new computer. The upgrades have new part numbers as well. I notice that IBM no longer gives prices in their product announcements, was this because of foreigners seeing the US list price and complaining to IBM about having to pay 30-50% more for the same model in their country? On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > but can you really get the Pentium upgrade for the 760CD, I gave up calling > a month ago when I got my Tecra, but up to then I had been getting the > run around for months from IBM (I am talking about the 90MHz to 120MHz > upgrade). > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 12:12:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA254267536; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:12:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22287; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:11:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:09:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21998; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:09:25 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21985; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:09:21 -0400 Received: from dialin_23.enteract.com (dialin_23.enteract.com [206.54.253.38]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id LAA17090 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:09:05 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Missing PCMCIA cover and those rubber caps. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:14:12 GMT Message-Id: <3219e40c.15801152@smtp.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 I need some of these as well. I've called a guy who says he can get me deal on a couple hundred of them. Anyone else interested? Email me so I can get an idea of how many we need... IBM wants $5.50US for TWO, plus shipping! epbrown On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:00:51 +0800 (SGT), you wrote: "Hi, " " I've lost the PCMCIA cover for the slot on my TP701C. Does anyone "know where I can get a replacement ? Does IBM sell them seperately ? Is "there a part number ? " Also, I'm using up my mouse cursor rubber caps fast (I use the "rough ones which wear off) I would like to buy a couple of them (>30 or "so) and was wondering if there are any mail-order firms that sell rough "ones that fit the 701C. (Multi-colored?) Does IBM sell them too? " Any info will be appreciated. Thaanx " "Elvin " "-- " "+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "| elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | "| Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | "+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " " epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 12:36:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA260309006; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:36:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25080; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:34:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:32:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24756; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:32:41 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24742; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:32:35 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA12201 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:34:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199608200434.WAA12201@aspen.wwsi.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on Thinkpad Web Page Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:34:00 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist I note that the current Linux on Thinkpads web page doesn't have the most current machines (it's even missing my ancient 755CX!). I'd like to offer to begin additional compilations and either place them on the existing pages or put them on my server here. If you're running Linux on a Thinkpad and it's not listed on the current page, drop me an e-mail and I'll add it to the page I'm building. Of special interest: Distribution used Installation method and "tricks" X configuration Use of Mwave? Thanks! ssh -- Steve Hultquist, Founder Engineering the future Worldwide Solutions, Inc. ...with you Boulder, Colorado, USA 303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 12:37:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA260419054; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:37:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25086; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:34:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:30:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24461; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:30:55 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24443; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:30:51 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA12185 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:32:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199608200432.WAA12185@aspen.wwsi.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 1024x768 and 150MHz Pentium? Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:32:03 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist A while ago, someone here mentioned seeing an announcement for a new 760 with the added pixels and cycles. I can't find it on the IBM Web pages. Can anyone help? Anyone know anything more about it? ssh -- Steve Hultquist, Founder Engineering the future Worldwide Solutions, Inc. ...with you Boulder, Colorado, USA 303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 12:49:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA261909791; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:49:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17336; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:28:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:26:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16995; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:26:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16989; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:26:38 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07735; Tue, 20 Aug 96 11:23:15 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 11:23:15 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608201523.AA07735@nile.gnat.com> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pentium Upgrades but can you really get the Pentium upgrade for the 760CD, I gave up calling a month ago when I got my Tecra, but up to then I had been getting the run around for months from IBM (I am talking about the 90MHz to 120MHz upgrade). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 20 13:15:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA266701325; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:15:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28194; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:13:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:11:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28011; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:11:45 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27983; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:11:38 -0400 Received: from blue.pr.mcs.com (dialin_1.enteract.com [206.54.253.16]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id MAA20560; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:11:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608201711.MAA20560@enteract.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Gene J" To: Harry Seaman Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:12:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Hard Drives Reply-To: blue@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) Harry Seaman wrote: > I recently got a IBM 810 meg from Compu-d (sorry, I don't have their > number handy. they're in california, advertise in CRN > > It was $239. To get it to work though, I had to de-solder one of the > drive select pins, though I believe that applies to the 750 only. Uh, pardon my ignorance, but what is "CRN" ?? If you have Compu-D's phone number, I'd really appreciate it since I'm specifically looking for IBM drives (DBOA OEM models). Thanks in Advance... Gene From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 21 00:47:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA077802857; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:47:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21606; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:46:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:38:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20970; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:38:06 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20962; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:37:53 -0400 Received: from liv-2.rust.net (liv-2.rust.net [206.42.195.102]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA15907 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960821003902.1c8f913e@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: Missing PCMCIA cover and those rubber caps. At 11:00 PM 8/20/96 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > > I've lost the PCMCIA cover for the slot on my TP701C. Does anyone >know where I can get a replacement ? Does IBM sell them seperately ? Is >there a part number ? > Also, I'm using up my mouse cursor rubber caps fast (I use the >rough ones which wear off) I would like to buy a couple of them (>30 or >so) and was wondering if there are any mail-order firms that sell rough >ones that fit the 701C. (Multi-colored?) Does IBM sell them too? > Any info will be appreciated. Thaanx > >Elvin > >-- > >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | >| Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > The bag of rubber caps that I got with the 701, from IBM had a part number of P/N84G6537. They come in the color of your choice as long is that's red... B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 21 02:18:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA093918321; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:18:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26138; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:15:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25959; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:15:49 -0400 Received: from hpserv0.cs.uit.no (hpserv0.cs.UiT.No [129.242.16.105]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25931; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:15:44 -0400 Received: from haralds.cs.uit.no by hpserv0.cs.uit.no with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/IOH-1.0) id AA109798129; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:15:30 +0200 Received: by haralds.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/HJ/Task-5) id AA079298129; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:15:29 +0200 From: harald@staff.cs.uit.no (Harald Skotnes) Message-Id: <199608210615.AA079298129@haralds.cs.uit.no> Subject: Re: 1024x768 and 150MHz Pentium? To: ssh@wwsi.com (Steve Hultquist) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:15:29 +0200 (METDST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608200432.WAA12185@aspen.wwsi.com> from "Steve Hultquist" at Aug 19, 96 10:32:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23GIJ-4] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > A while ago, someone here mentioned seeing an announcement for a new 760 with > the added pixels and cycles. I can't find it on the IBM Web pages. Can anyone > help? Anyone know anything more about it? > > ssh > -- Try http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=vxH*wXaUYBIQO10USenGn9332&request=announcements&parms=H%5f196%2d163&xhi=usa%2emain%7cannouncements%5e Choose announcements, Title/Product and search for 760E -- //// Harald Skotnes // Email: harald@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Dept. of Computer Science // Phone: +47 77 64 41 16 // // University of Tromsoe // Fax: +47 77 64 40 54 /// / N-9037 TROMSOE NORWAY // Like it or not, it's One World //// From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 21 15:51:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA187627062; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:51:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09806; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:49:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:37:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08185; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:37:06 -0400 Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [165.90.138.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08177; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:37:02 -0400 Received: from sac2-35.calweb.com (sac2-35.calweb.com account=davemac [165.90.187.35]) by mail.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08851 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608211930.MAA08851@mail.calweb.com> X-Sender: davemac@pop.calweb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: davemac@calweb.com (Dave McDonnell) Subject: 16MB SO-DIMMs for 701c Just to let folks know that I just bought a 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM for my 701c thinkpad from the Chip Merchant here in CA for $148. Plugged it in and it works great!! This is the best price I've seen so far. Check them out. http://www.thechipmerchant.com Dave M. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 21 19:50:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA220521403; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:50:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29795; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:49:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:45:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29321; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:45:04 -0400 Received: from alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (hsu@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.156.234]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29304; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:44:58 -0400 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.7/StupidYak 1.0) id QAA07612 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:44:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:44:54 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199608212344.QAA07612@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 32MB addition for 701C I need to upgrade the memory for my sister's 701C and given the rapid obsolescence rate of laptops, I would like to only upgade the memory once during the lifetime of the unit. Since 24MB total is just not a lot of memory with the software bloat nowadays, I was wondering if anyone had upgraded their Thinkpad 701C with a 32MB DIMM (for a total of 40MB) and how well that worked. Also, where and how much did you get if for? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 21 20:01:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA223572063; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:01:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00665; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:00:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:59:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00526; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:59:16 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00520; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:59:13 -0400 Received: from dialin_7_28.enteract.com (dialin_7_28.enteract.com [206.54.253.107]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id SAA11650 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:58:35 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 32MB addition for 701C Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 23:58:39 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <321ba1f9.4630643@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199608212344.QAA07612@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> In-Reply-To: <199608212344.QAA07612@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:44:54 -0700, you wrote: "I need to upgrade the memory for my sister's 701C and given the rapid "obsolescence rate of laptops, I would like to only upgade the memory "once during the lifetime of the unit. Since 24MB total is just not a lot of "memory with the software bloat nowadays, I was wondering if anyone had "upgraded their Thinkpad 701C with a 32MB DIMM (for a total of 40MB) and "how well that worked. Also, where and how much did you get if for? " I'm running mine with 24MB and can't really imagine someone needing more without working with programming or graphics. Also, as you've seen, the 16MB chips are very inexpensive now (says a guy who paid $279 a TWO MONTHS ago and thought it a great deal, grrr!). And, unless I'm mistaken, the 32MB chips haven't been anywhere near as reasonably priced as the others, even now. epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 21 20:03:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA223912220; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:03:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00993; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:02:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:00:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00769; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:00:55 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00749; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:00:52 -0400 Received: from dialin_7_28.enteract.com (dialin_7_28.enteract.com [206.54.253.107]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id TAA11781 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:00:49 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Trackpoint Eraser Tips Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:00:53 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <321ba2b2.4815371@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 To the folks who've emailed me. The search'll have to continue. The co. I was discussing buying a *lot* of these from seems to feel undercutting IBM by a buck is a great deal (i.e.$4.00 for 2). I sent them on their way. :-( epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 21 20:15:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA226672956; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:15:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02178; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:15:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02042; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:41 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02036; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:39 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06879; Wed, 21 Aug 96 20:11:21 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 20:11:21 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608220011.AA06879@nile.gnat.com> To: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 32MB addition for 701C " And, unless I'm mistaken, the 32MB chips haven't been anywhere near as reasonably priced as the others, even now." Seems to me the 32MB chips have been going at the same unbelievablyt low prices as 16MB chips recently. The drop in memory prices is amazing. A few months ago we paid over $1000 for an extra 32MB for a Sun work station, and now we can get 32MB for $350. Now definitely seems a good time to buy memory, I suspect we may be near the low point in prices, but who knows! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 21 20:53:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA232065211; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:53:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05263; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:52:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:50:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04942; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:50:30 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04922; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:50:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id UAA10042; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:51:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 32MB addition for 701C In-Reply-To: <321ba1f9.4630643@smtp.enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, epbrown wrote: > I'm running mine with 24MB and can't really imagine someone needing more > without working with programming or graphics. With 24 MB: Linux + X + emacs = swapping. Linux + X + Netscape = swapping. Win95 + Word Processor + Netscape = swapping. Especially with Win95, remember, the fully 32-bit apps eat more memory because the standard word size is 4 bytes instead of 2 bytes. Bloat is everywhere. I'd say an extra $150 to get 40MB instead of 24MB is a good investment. If you find you don't need it, you can always set up a ramdisk and extend your battery life. > Also, as you've seen, the 16MB > chips are very inexpensive now (says a guy who paid $279 a TWO MONTHS ago and > thought it a great deal, grrr!). Hey, I paid >$400 just four months ago. I wanted to wait but needed the memory to meet a deadline. *sigh* -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 02:07:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA281084078; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:07:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25140; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:07:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:59:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24499; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:59:21 -0400 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24493; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:59:19 -0400 Received: (from jollymon@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA14377 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:59:09 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Sethi Message-Id: <199608220559.AAA14377@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: RAM for 755Cs To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad mail list) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:59:08 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Does anyone know of a good place to buy RAM for a 755Cs? I called chipmerchant and was told that they don't sell RAM for that model. Any help would be appreciated Thank you Jason Sethi -- ******************************************************************************* Jason Sethi Purdue University Senior in EE jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu sethi@ecn.purdue.edu URL:cernan.ecn.purdue.edu/~sethi ******************************************************************************* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 12:18:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA069080695; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:18:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27938; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:16:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:09:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26903; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:09:50 -0400 Received: from twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (twins.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26896; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:09:48 -0400 Received: from tty71.tc1.nd.edu by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with SMTP id MAA29352; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608221609.MAA29352@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> From: "Gabriel Ash" To: "Thinkpad User Group" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 11:09:55 Reply-To: "Gabriel Ash" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Gabriel Ash's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Keyboard problem 701 ? Something is wrong with my 'F' (alphabetic) key. sometimes it enters into repeat mode during normal typing, or it does not type at all. Taking apart the key and cleaning underneath it with compressed air had some effect, but it is still not perfect. I would really Not send the machine to IBM if someone has an idea about how to solve the problem on my own. Thanks for reading. ------------- Gabriel Ash Notre-Dame ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 12:34:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA072551664; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:34:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29581; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:31:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:30:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29398; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:30:35 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29391; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:30:31 -0400 Received: from default (mol-il1-22.ix.netcom.com [205.184.148.54]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA20994 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:29:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199608221629.JAA20994@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Carmody" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:27:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: 760ED/ Low Audio Output Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) I wonder if others are experiencing weak audio output from the headphone jack? (Yes, I have opened up the volume control to max.) The quality of the audio is fine, but very low. If I remember the engineering principles it could be because of impedence mismatch. Does anyone have the impedence, output power specifications? Any suggestions are welcome! Thanks, -- John Carmody E-mail: oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 12:47:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA075032416; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:46:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00773; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:45:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:44:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00502; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:44:02 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00496; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:43:58 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I8KS047H740008DL@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:43:41 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: Keyboard problem 701 ? In-Reply-To: <199608221609.MAA29352@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <840732221.941822.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > Something is wrong with my 'F' (alphabetic) key. sometimes it enters into repeat mode > during normal typing, or it does not type at all. > Taking apart the key and cleaning underneath it with compressed air had some > effect, but it is still not perfect. I would really Not send the machine to IBM if someone > has an idea about how to solve the problem on my own. If it's still under warranty do yourself a favor and send it in for a new keyboard. I think IBM's one weak point in Thinkpad hardware has been their keyboards. I had some trouble with mine (755CE) and got it replaced - I'll be doing that once more before the warranty runs out too. My problem is after some time some keys must be struck pretty hard to be sure a character will actually get typed. If you're used to typing lightly this can drive you nuts, especially as it only happens every once in a while, unpredictably. When I sent mine in it only took two days to get it back... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 13:23:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA081814596; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:23:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03938; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:18:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:16:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03523; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:16:07 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net (park.interport.net [199.184.165.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03516; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:16:04 -0400 Received: from interport.net (alster@madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27180 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22586 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice In-Reply-To: <9608101431.AA05857@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > Same thing goes for keyboards. Some people really like the new tilt-up > keyboards on the new thinkpads. Me, I hate them, I find they fight my > typing, and I much prefer the old TP keyboards. I'm not crazy about that myself. But it's the keys that are different (at least on my 760E). The feedback "click" isn't hard enough ...so it feels like any other notebook keyboard... mushy The keyboard on my 755CE is my favorite keyboard anywhere ..desktop or portable. They should've kept it on the 760 series. :( --- alster@interport.net allen@metaverse.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 13:36:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083695401; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:36:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05174; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:31:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:30:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04966; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:30:40 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04943; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:30:35 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA18082 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:27:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199608221727.KAA18082@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: Re: 760ED/ Low Audio Output To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:27:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199608221629.JAA20994@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> from "John Carmody" at Aug 22, 96 11:27:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I wonder if others are experiencing weak audio output from the > headphone jack? (Yes, I have opened up the volume control to max.) > The quality of the audio is fine, but very low. there is probably an internal mixer in the sound hardware, which you can adjust through the windows multimedia control panels. if you are listening to only one sound source (such as a CD), that source is probably not turned all the way up. this is so that a combination of sound sources won't overdrive the little amplifier. however, i have my CD set to max so that i can hear it through headphones. this is on a 760EL -- your milage may vary. -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 14:13:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA089537607; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:13:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08343; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:11:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:09:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08013; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:09:11 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08007; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:09:09 -0400 Received: from pcsn.pcsn.com ([38.245.29.42]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08554 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <321CA22C.5A2D@hooked.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:08:44 -0700 From: David Gower Organization: PCS Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 540 Hard Drive for 701c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I am in the market for a 540 Hard Drive for the 701cs. I am looking for lower prices than ones from IBM directly, but I recall some problems with drives not having the correct caddy. Does anyone know of a cheap easy plug it in solution? Let me know thanks in advance. -- David D. Gower Network Analyst PCS Networks http://www.pcsn.com davidg@pcsn.com personal http://www.hooked.net/~dgower dgower@hooked.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 14:33:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA093138814; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:33:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09915; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:31:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:27:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09554; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:27:53 -0400 Received: from UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (UTKVM1.UTK.EDU [128.169.200.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09548; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:27:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199608221827.OAA09548@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from UTKVM1.BITNET by UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2490; Thu, 22 Aug 96 14:27:20 LCL Received: from UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU by UTKVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 5116; Thu, 22 Aug 96 14:27:20 LCL Received: from UICVM (NJE origin U41602@UICVM) by UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1725; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:26:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:20:20 CDT From: "Rich Chong " To: Subject: FS: TP760E 32MB DIMM I have a TP760E 32MB EDO 3.3v 144pin SO DIMM for sale. = $850. Preferably to someone in Chicago so we can do face to face memory/money validation, but am willing to do COD or something it it comes to that. Call or email 312-943-5789 Thanks. rich chong From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 14:58:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA098200284; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:58:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11832; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:56:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:55:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11661; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:55:31 -0400 Received: from zima.bbn.com (ZIMA.BBN.COM [128.89.8.110]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11637; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:55:23 -0400 Received: from doppleboch.bbn.com (doppleboch.bbn.com [128.89.6.100]) by zima.bbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11928; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cerys@localhost) by doppleboch.bbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/sl1.1) id OAA28607; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608221855.OAA28607@doppleboch.bbn.com> From: Daniel Cerys To: Robert Dewar Cc: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pentium Upgrades In-Reply-To: <9608201523.AA07735@nile.gnat.com> References: <9608201523.AA07735@nile.gnat.com> Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.18.6. Robert Dewar wrote on 20 August 1996: > but can you really get the Pentium upgrade for the 760CD, I gave up calling > a month ago when I got my Tecra, but up to then I had been getting the > run around for months from IBM (I am talking about the 90MHz to 120MHz > upgrade). I received the 90->120 upgrade as an installation kit about a month ago. (No cost, because I ordered a 120MHz 760CD machine and the vendor sent me a 90 MHz instead.) However, I'm still (patiently) waiting to have it installed. The upgrade consists of a small board, heat sink, and some instructions (describing more little screws and ribbon cables than I want to deal with). Dan ----------------------------------------------- Daniel Cerys Email: cerys@bbn.com BBN Work Phone: +1(617)873-4534 10 Moulton St. FAX: +1(617)873-2794 Mail Stop 6/4A Cambridge MA 02138 USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 15:05:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA099950745; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:05:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12877; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:04:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:03:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12699; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:02:57 -0400 Received: from osceola.gate.net (root@osceola.gate.net [199.227.0.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12693; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:02:54 -0400 Received: from tequesta.gate.net (root@tequesta.gate.net [199.227.0.12]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA83552 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:02:35 -0400 Received: from feesh (mlbfl2-7.gate.net [199.227.6.134]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA87496 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:02:38 -0400 Message-Id: <321CACE7.4BCF@gate.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:54:31 -0400 From: Gene Reply-To: vansant@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT on a 720C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody been able to install NT 4.0 on a 720C? It does not recognize the internal drive. I take it Linux is out of the question... -- Tschuess ... Gene Van Sant Home: (407) 725 8788 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 15:30:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA104832202; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:30:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15538; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:28:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:27:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15272; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:27:30 -0400 Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15258; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:27:27 -0400 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA21890 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:27:16 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:27:16 GMT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:26:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Huber To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrading a 701 In-Reply-To: <321CACE7.4BCF@gate.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anybody upgrade the cpu of a 701 beyond the 486/DX4-75 level and if so how is it. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 15:32:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA105082308; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:31:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15534; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:28:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:26:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15042; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:26:21 -0400 Received: from smtp1.interramp.com (smtp1.interramp.com [38.8.45.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15031; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:26:15 -0400 Received: from cd002046.interramp.com by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id PAA22787; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:25:58 -0400 Message-Id: <321CDDA3.106B@interramp.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:22:27 -0700 From: "Erik A. Schwer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Group Subject: Maximum Resolution Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it possible to drive my 755CD beyond 640x480, 256 color resolution? I would be willing to sacrifice color depth for a bigger workspace. How? Thanks! - Erik Schwer :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 15:36:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA105662574; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:36:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16283; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:34:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:31:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15840; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:31:14 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (cummings@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15814; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:31:05 -0400 Received: (from cummings@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id PAA29297; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:30:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:30:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings X-Sender: cummings@netcom17 To: Dave McDonnell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 16MB SO-DIMMs for 701c In-Reply-To: <199608211930.MAA08851@mail.calweb.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Dave McDonnell wrote: > Just to let folks know that I just bought a 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM for my 701c > thinkpad from the Chip Merchant here in CA for $148. Plugged it in and it > works great!! This is the best price I've seen so far. Check them out. > Thanks for the info. I called them also and ordered one. Received it today and yes it works fine. FYI the one I got had Panasonic 60ns chips on it. Four on each side. Now what the heck am I going to do with this 4mb IBM simm??? ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Cummings at home, feet up in | Pyramid OSx MIS-12 Columbia, MD. Internet cummings@netcom.com | Systems Admin. Washington DC. "A radio wasteland"... |---------------------------- I Want My W G T B Back!!! |My other op-system is Linux! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He will live on in our hearts, Jerry Garcia. 1942 - 1995. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 16:31:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116735900; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:31:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22272; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:28:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:24:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21803; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:24:54 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21792; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:24:42 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:24:28 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: Re: NT on a 720C To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:24:28 +0200 (MES) Cc: vansant@gate.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I guess the ESDI controller is the problem (which, by the way, is the reason why HD upgrades are unbelievable expensive). Linux should work by now (I haven't had time to try it), somewhere I have read that there is a hack for the HD controller. Booting Linux on the 720 (MCA) wasn't a problem but that's all I tried. Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de > > Anybody been able to install NT 4.0 on a 720C? > It does not recognize the internal drive. > > I take it Linux is out of the question... > > -- > Tschuess ... Gene Van Sant Home: (407) 725 8788 > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 17:52:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA130560770; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:52:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00918; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:51:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:49:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00587; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:49:11 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00573; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:49:05 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA24058; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:48:52 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA00091; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:48:50 +1000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:48:48 +1000 (EST) To: aoster Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i've not yet found a notebook keyboard i like. thank whoever for their good sense in having a port for an external keyboard (and monitor)! my 755CE is the desktop into which i plug my keyboard and monitor - and which is passable as a machine on its own when there is no way around it. the keybard on the 760 would make it less passable in my view. you can get the same effect if you put an older thinkpad on a solid surface and your chair on a trampoline. but, is the purpose of the tilt for the angle of typing or to cool the chip? regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, aoster wrote: > > On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > > > Same thing goes for keyboards. Some people really like the new tilt-up > > keyboards on the new thinkpads. Me, I hate them, I find they fight my > > typing, and I much prefer the old TP keyboards. > > I'm not crazy about that myself. But it's the keys that are different (at > least on my 760E). The feedback "click" isn't hard enough ...so it feels > like any other notebook keyboard... mushy > > The keyboard on my 755CE is my favorite keyboard anywhere ..desktop or > portable. They should've kept it on the 760 series. :( > > > --- > alster@interport.net allen@metaverse.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 18:03:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA132591409; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:03:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02165; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:02:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:00:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02028; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:00:49 -0400 Received: from trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu (vishy@trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu [129.123.183.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01988; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:00:38 -0400 Received: (from vishy@localhost) by trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA01312 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:59:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:59:59 -0600 From: Vishy Swaminathan Message-Id: <199608222159.PAA01312@trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mwave and Linux Hi, I am new to this mailing list. I have a 755CD. I have loaded linux on it and everything works fine. Has anyone had any success with Mwave and Linux working together. I have got to the point where COM 2 is identified by Linux. The modem still does not respond to AT commands. Any help would be appreciated. thanks Vishy Swaminathan ps: I am using Linux 1.3.20 and Mwave 2.0 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 18:42:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA138943758; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:42:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05214; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:41:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:39:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04955; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:39:27 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04944; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:39:15 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA01594; Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:35:37 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:35:37 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608222235.AA01594@nile.gnat.com> To: cerys@bbn.com, dewar@gnat.com Subject: Re: Pentium Upgrades Cc: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu well that is interesting to know, I spent two hours on the phone with IBM talking to 17 separate people at nine different phone numbers, trying to find out if the upgrade realy existed. Finally I hit an infinite loop in telephone number referrals and gave up. The full story would make entertaining reading, but I am not up to reliving it just now! -- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 14:57 EDT 1996 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:55:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Cerys To: Robert Dewar Cc: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pentium Upgrades Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.18.6. Robert Dewar wrote on 20 August 1996: > but can you really get the Pentium upgrade for the 760CD, I gave up calling > a month ago when I got my Tecra, but up to then I had been getting the > run around for months from IBM (I am talking about the 90MHz to 120MHz > upgrade). I received the 90->120 upgrade as an installation kit about a month ago. (No cost, because I ordered a 120MHz 760CD machine and the vendor sent me a 90 MHz instead.) However, I'm still (patiently) waiting to have it installed. The upgrade consists of a small board, heat sink, and some instructions (describing more little screws and ribbon cables than I want to deal with). Dan ----------------------------------------------- Daniel Cerys Email: cerys@bbn.com BBN Work Phone: +1(617)873-4534 10 Moulton St. FAX: +1(617)873-2794 Mail Stop 6/4A Cambridge MA 02138 USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 18:52:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA140744358; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:52:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05895; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:49:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:48:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05786; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:48:47 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05772; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:48:43 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01894; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:49:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199608222249.QAA01894@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Vishy Swaminathan Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mwave and Linux In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:59:59 MDT." <199608222159.PAA01312@trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:49:42 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist My understanding is that you have to boot DOS, load the mWave drivers, and then LOADLIN. ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 18:55:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA141184516; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:55:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06405; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:53:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:52:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06172; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:52:13 -0400 Received: from trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu (vishy@trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu [129.123.183.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06166; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:52:10 -0400 Received: (from vishy@localhost) by trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA01496; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:51:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:51:33 -0600 From: Vishy Swaminathan Message-Id: <199608222251.QAA01496@trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu> To: ssh@wwsi.com, vishy@trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu Subject: Re: Mwave and Linux Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Hi, Thanks for the quick reply. I got Linux to see Com2 by booting Dos, mwgames on , mwmodem on and loading loadlin. It still would not talk to the modem. Thanks Vishy From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 18:55:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA141234538; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:55:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06466; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:54:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:53:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06264; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:53:07 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06253; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:53:04 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA01659; Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:49:27 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:49:27 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608222249.AA01659@nile.gnat.com> To: eschwer@interramp.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Maximum Resolution no, not possible to take a 755CD beyond 640 x 480. Resolution on a TFT is not like a CRT, you canno trade it off for color depth or scan rate, since the number of pixels depends physically on how many transistors are wired into your screen. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 19:00:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA141634835; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:00:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07126; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:59:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:58:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07020; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:58:33 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07006; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:58:29 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA01749; Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:55:12 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:55:12 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608222255.AA01749@nile.gnat.com> To: alster@interport.net Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu "The keyboard on my 755CE is my favorite keyboard anywhere ..desktop or portable. They should've kept it on the 760 series. :( " awfully noisy though .... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 19:08:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA142645304; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:08:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07486; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:02:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:00:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07332; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:00:56 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07326; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:00:53 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA01788; Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:57:37 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:57:37 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608222257.AA01788@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, U41602%UICVM.BITNET@utkvm1.utk.edu Subject: Re: FS: TP760E 32MB DIMM "By the way, if the Ada validation tests ever get really picky, there is no way the RT Annex FIFO_Within_Priorities scheduling can be done over a compliant implementation of POSIX SCHED_FIFO. The two standards groups just came to different results, regardless of the efforts of Offer Pazy and myself to persuade them otherwise. " Can you explain the difference? In my opinion the ARG should "fix" Ada 95 to conform to Posix at this stage From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 19:09:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA142865365; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:09:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07735; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:04:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:03:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07610; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:03:00 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07599; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:02:57 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA01814; Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:59:34 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:59:34 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608222259.AA01814@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, U41602%UICVM.BITNET@utkvm1.utk.edu Subject: Re: FS: TP760E 32MB DIMM how much is the new price for 32MB DIMM's for the TP760E, sounds like these are expensive beasts (I paid much less than $850 new for a 32MB DIMM for the Tecra, but I don't know the TP prices -- if memory is really so much more exopensive for the TP, that is useful to know ...) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 20:45:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA156451156; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:45:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14174; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:43:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:41:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13794; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:41:40 -0400 Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13758; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:41:32 -0400 From: Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA01290 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:40:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:40:45 -0400 Message-Id: <960822204045_391816809@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 540 Hard Drive for 701c In a message dated 96-08-22 14:14:44 EDT, you write: > David, We not only have Hard Drives in carriers for your TP701CS, but upgrades for many of the IBM and other major brand notebooks. Please contact if you require any further information. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM Up to 2.1GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com/pep ========Original Message======== Subj: 540 Hard Drive for 701c Date: 96-08-22 14:14:44 EDT From: dgower@hooked.net (David Gower) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Hi everyone, I am in the market for a 540 Hard Drive for the 701cs. I am looking for lower prices than ones from IBM directly, but I recall some problems with drives not having the correct caddy. Does anyone know of a cheap easy plug it in solution? Let me know thanks in advance. -- David D. Gower Network Analyst PCS Networks http://www.pcsn.com davidg@pcsn.com personal http://www.hooked.net/~dgower dgower@hooked.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 20:45:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA156491159; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:45:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14165; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:43:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:41:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13704; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:41:23 -0400 Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13695; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:41:19 -0400 From: Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA08083 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:40:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:40:47 -0400 Message-Id: <960822204046_391816823@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Upgrading a 701 We can upgrade the CPU on the TP701 to 100mhz. This is the equivalent response of the Pentium 75. We also have CPU upgrades available for many of the major brand systems. Please contact me for more informetion. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM Up to 2.1GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com/pep ========Original Message======== Subj: Upgrading a 701 Date: 96-08-22 15:30:57 EDT From: rhuber@interactive.visa.com (Rob Huber) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Anybody upgrade the cpu of a 701 beyond the 486/DX4-75 level and if so how is it. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 20:46:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA156501159; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:45:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14387; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:44:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:43:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14202; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:43:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14189; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:43:37 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02570; Thu, 22 Aug 96 20:40:15 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 20:40:15 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608230040.AA02570@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, U41602%UICVM.BITNET@utkvm1.utk.edu, dewar@gnat.com, hpbill@netpoint.net Subject: Re: FS: TP760E 32MB DIMM OK, good to know, $585 sounds more reasonable (Bill always seems to have good prices on memory :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 20:46:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA156591172; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:46:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13826; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:41:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:38:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13434; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:37:58 -0400 Received: from pointer.netpoint.net (pointer.netpoint.net [198.69.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13412; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:37:46 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net ([129.37.193.98]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA21040; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608230029.UAA21040@pointer.netpoint.net> To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, U41602%UICVM.BITNET@utkvm1.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 2.0) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:37:12 EST From: Bill Schwartz Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: Re: FS: TP760E 32MB DIMM Addressed to: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu U41602%UICVM.BITNET@utkvm1.utk.edu ** Reply to note from dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:59:34 EDT The price for the 32MB for the TP is $585.00 dist by me produced by MPM GoldeRam who is an authorized IBM after market source. Using there memory keeps you on the IBM warranty. Bill High Performance Cartridges Inc. Po Box 545890 Surfside, Fl. 33154 PH:(305)868-8430 FAX:(305)864-7367 URL:http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/hpcart.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 21:57:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA168765458; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:57:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20501; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:56:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:54:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20235; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:54:17 -0400 Received: from pcug.org.au (supreme.pcug.org.au [203.10.76.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20226; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:54:05 -0400 From: Received: from ts105.pcug.org.au (ts105.pcug.org.au [203.10.76.105]) by pcug.org.au (8.7.3/8.7.3/TIP-1.1) with SMTP id LAA14247; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:52:43 +1000 (EST) Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0029; Fri, 23 Aug 96 11:36:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9608231836.AA0029@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 11:17:24 +1000 To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, alster@interport.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <20_75_4_840813444> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'day Alden, [tilting keyboards] > as a machine on its own when there is no way around it. the keybard on the > 760 would make it less passable in my view. you can get the same effect if > you put an older thinkpad on a solid surface and your chair on a trampoline. > but, is the purpose of the tilt for the angle of typing or to cool the chip? I quite like the tilting keyboard on my 760. Some people like their external keyboard tilted, some don't. Same deal. "Horses for courses". One point critics have failed to note is, of course, the keyboard needs just the flick of a lever and it lays down flat like any other TP keyboard. I don't think the keyboard angle has anything to do with cooling at all. I just extended my eyeballs out on stalks and peered under the tilted keyboard to make sure I am not leading anyone australiana, and am now confident in saying that there is still a flat surface under the tilted keyboard. ie. A panel between the underside of the keyboard (tilted or not) and the TP internals. ie. further, tilting the keyboard doesn't allow increased airflow to cool the internals. > Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 Fellow Canberran. Greetings. /************************************************/ /* | Scuba Diving: */ /* Neil Mclean | Down Under in a */ /* Canberra, Australia | Land Down Under */ /************************************************/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 22:22:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA173356956; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:22:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22301; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:20:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:18:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22166; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:18:47 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22160; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:18:45 -0400 Received: from alans (philly127.voicenet.com [207.103.16.206]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA14134; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608230220.WAA14134@mail.voicenet.com> From: "Alan Sukiennik" To: "Vishy Swaminathan" , "Steve Hultquist" Cc: Subject: Re: Mwave and Linux Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:18:34 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That won't work. As far as I know mwave drivers are not in existence yet. In Linux world, however, things are in a very rapid flux so I hope I'm wrong. Regards, -=alan=- ---------- > From: Steve Hultquist > To: Vishy Swaminathan > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Mwave and Linux > Date: Thursday, August 22, 1996 6:49 PM > > My understanding is that you have to boot DOS, load the mWave drivers, and then > LOADLIN. > > ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 22 23:24:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA187220699; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:24:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26589; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:24:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:22:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26445; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:22:00 -0400 Received: from GabRiEl.resudox.net (resudox.net [198.96.220.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26439; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:21:57 -0400 Received: from default (ts20-05.ott.iSTAR.ca [204.191.146.185]) by GabRiEl.resudox.net (8.7.3/8.7.3/resudox) with SMTP id XAA03723 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:23:54 -0400 Message-Id: <321D2334.1B55@resudox.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:19:16 -0400 From: Phil Hogarth Organization: digIT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Asymetrix DVP question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm using Asymetrix' Digital Video Producer 3.0C (pre-installed)on a 760CD with 16 meg of RAM. My OS is Win95. I'm having trouble with the 'Video Format' command under the Options menu. It usually (almost always) won't display. As a result, I can't define the size of the still-frame or video being captured. It defaults to a small (120 X 120 approx.) format. This is a known problem: Asymetrix mentions it on a readme file and says it happens due to a conflict with 95's Video for Windows drivers. Anyone know about a) a patch, b) a work-around, c) newer versions that may have sorted this out? Thanks. Phil Hogarth Director, Web Services digIT Interactive Inc. **************************************************************** We're "The Launch Guys". Experience our results at www.digit.ca. OTTAWA 613-820-4846 TORONTO 416-363-7938 **************************************************************** From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 00:48:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA206695721; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:48:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02325; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:47:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:44:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02014; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:44:14 -0400 Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02008; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.194.25]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA5083 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:43:35 +0000 Message-Id: <321D50FA.604D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:34:34 -0700 From: Anita Schrodt X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Introducing myself Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks Am delighted to find this Thinkpad group. This is in response to request to "introduce myself" -- which, I suspect, means introduce the machine: 755CSE, 540M HD, 16M RAM, WFWG (tho considering biting the Win95 bullet), QEMM, Port Replicator, external monitor, keyboard, etc., Zip drive, Toshiba SCSI CD-rom drive. Primary use is as a desktop that I can occasionally take with me; word processing. Games. Question of you Tpad Faxworks users: I just ran into a problem trying to fax a coworker with a fax/answering machine who has a long voice message preceding the fax option. Apparently his machine doesn't recognize the incoming fax call right off. I have not figured a way around this in Faxworks; by the time the voice message is over, Faxworks has quit trying to connect. Anyone have a suggestion that will work on my end? Plan to ask him if there's a way he can change settings on his end. . .Am hoping to fax him every night to compensate for network failure to connect him to the office system. In return, only piece of probably useless trivia I can pass on is to anyone who has been frustrated trying to run the new Sierra games on Thinkpads (at least, the 755 series) - The Aptiva patch (Phantfix) fixed the problem for me and caused no problems with my Mwave. Anita Schrodt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 01:22:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA212707773; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:22:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04575; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:22:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:21:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04419; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:21:08 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04410; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:21:05 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id AAA31895; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:24:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id AAA18495; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:20:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:20:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Gene J Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hard Drives In-Reply-To: <199608201711.MAA20560@enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Gene J wrote: > Uh, pardon my ignorance, but what is "CRN" ?? > > If you have Compu-D's phone number, I'd really appreciate it since > I'm specifically looking for IBM drives (DBOA OEM models). CRN=Computer Reseller News Compu.d is 800-929-9333 http://compu-d.com Is your application a tpad 750? If so, the drive may need modification, as I mentioned. I can give you details on this. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 10:10:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA002209414; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:10:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16555; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:08:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:01:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15786; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:01:24 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net (park.interport.net [199.184.165.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15775; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:01:21 -0400 Received: from interport.net (alster@madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17122 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29575 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:01:09 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice In-Reply-To: <9608222255.AA01749@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > "The keyboard on my 755CE is my favorite keyboard anywhere ..desktop or > portable. They should've kept it on the 760 series. :( > > " > > awfully noisy though .... noise ...shmoise ...it's quiet enough for my girlfriend to use during class lectures. --- alster@interport.net allen@metaverse.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 11:10:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA084083006; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:10:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23702; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:08:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:06:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23268; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:06:26 -0400 Received: from Net1.Net (mailhost.net1.net [204.254.232.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23261; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:06:22 -0400 Received: from ppp037.Net1.Net by Net1.Net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AB18234; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:49:47 -0500 Message-Id: <9608231449.AB18234@Net1.Net> From: "David R. Keyes" To: Subject: Address change request Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:00:26 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1085 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please change my subscriber address on the mailing list from dkeyes@neosoft.com to dkeyes@net1.net I requested this about a month ago but am still getting all messages at the old address. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 11:10:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA084153044; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:10:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23704; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:08:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:06:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23287; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:06:30 -0400 Received: from Net1.Net (mailhost.net1.net [204.254.232.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23260; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:06:22 -0400 Received: from mypc.neosoft.com (ppp037.Net1.Net) by Net1.Net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18234; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:49:43 -0500 Message-Id: <9608231449.AA18234@Net1.Net> From: "David R. Keyes" To: "Alden S Klovdahl" , Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:51:25 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1085 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an Iomega Jaz running fine with my Thinkpad 760ED and an Adaptec SlimSCSI card. If you still need details, please let me know. My address may still be wrong on the mailing list. It should be: dkeyes@net1.net ---------- > From: Alden S Klovdahl > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) > Date: Saturday, July 27, 1996 10:52 PM > > does anyone actually have a Jaz *running* with a thinkpad? > > after taking the ethernet pcmcia card out my Jaz worked, for a while. then > same problem - no devices found. experiemented with many different things, > eg removing anything from config.sys and autoexec.bat that i did not really > need to use. > > finally, i went into easy-setup (holding shift+F5 down when booting), rebooted, > found i had lost my com port (easily fixed), but the Jaz was accessible again > - for a number of days. > > then, bam ... i lost it again. did the same reinitialize without success. > still no Jaz... No devices found (when card director says my new media > bustoaster pcmcia scsi card is OK). > > Most puzzling. > > one of the concurrent problems i have had is with netscape (2.02). was getting > some general protection faults when i tried to print. after i reinstalled my > hewlett-packer drivers that problem went away. > > when i look at my tsr's (norton's System Info /tsr) i find Command.com loaded > twice, and i also find - depending on how i boot - a couple of tsr's with > no known owner. > > does this stuff stay in this memory after power off; if so, any way to clear > out this memory and start over? > > other thing that has me wondering is whether it *is* a software problem. > i frequently disassemble the thinkpad (from external monitor and > keybd and mouse) and the jaz drive to put them away and later reassemble them. > > but, it does lead to a parallel line of thinking re Jaz problems - whether some > connection is not being made adequately, whether crossed or looped cables lead > to interference, etc. despite the fact that that's what i check first and most > often. > > any suggestions welcomed! > > regards, al > > Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 > Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 11:17:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA084793439; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:17:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24615; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:15:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:14:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24388; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:14:29 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24380; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:14:26 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA20644; Fri, 23 Aug 96 11:10:45 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 11:10:45 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608231510.AA20644@nile.gnat.com> To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, alster@interport.net, nmclean@pcug.org.au Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu "One point critics have failed to note is, of course, the keyboard needs just th flick of a lever and it lays down flat like any other TP keyboard. I don't think the keyboard angle has anything to do with cooling at all. " First, if you do not tilt the keyboar, then the whole keyboard gives as you type on it, which I found very uneasy (I preferred tiling it, but the machine is quieter with it down. You say you "don't think that the keyboard angle has anything to do with cooling", but you don't say why you think that. The big difference between tiliting the keybaord and putting legs up on the machine is that the former keeps the bottom of the machine in contact with the desktop even if the keybaord is tilted. Dpeending on the terhmal conductivity properties of the desktop, this may improve or hurt cooling (one data point, my Tecra certainly cools better if the legs are NOT used on a formica top desk. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 11:41:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA088964879; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:41:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26976; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:39:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:37:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26860; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:37:52 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26854; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:37:48 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0utyGr-00010JC; Fri, 23 Aug 96 11:35 EDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 11:35 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: dkeyes@Net1.Net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9608231449.AA18234@Net1.Net> (dkeyes@Net1.Net) Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) I note in your mail that you have an Iomega Jaz connected to your TP 760ED via a SlimSCSI. I am curious about the actual connectors since I have recently acquired an Iomega Zip and am faced with a connectivity problem. The Zip has a 25 pin socket (Mac SCSI style I think). What about the Jaz? I assume the SlimSCSI came with a cable having the normal mini-micro (high density) 50 pin SCSI connector at the end? David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 11:50:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA090035419; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:50:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28203; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:48:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:47:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28049; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:47:46 -0400 Received: from hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.104]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28042; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:47:43 -0400 Received: (from mfukatsu@localhost) by hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.9/ELEE) id IAA01681; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:47:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Fukatsu To: Vishy Swaminathan Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mwave and Linux In-Reply-To: <199608222159.PAA01312@trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I also have a 755CD running Linux. You can get the Soundblaster emulation to work by booting to DOS (This loads the DSP info into the mwave chip) and then use loadlin to boot to Linux. As far as I know, (and I've been searching for a while) there is no support for the modem features in Linux yet. I heard rumors that there were 1 or 2 guys working on it but I haven't been able to track them down. As for now, the 755CD is modem-less under Linux. -Mike On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Vishy Swaminathan wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to this mailing list. > I have a 755CD. > I have loaded linux on it and everything works fine. > > Has anyone had any success with Mwave and Linux working > together. > > I have got to the point where COM 2 is identified by Linux. > The modem still does not respond to AT commands. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > thanks > Vishy Swaminathan > ps: I am using Linux 1.3.20 and Mwave 2.0 > -- mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 11:58:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091335881; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:58:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29361; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:56:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:56:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29211; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:55:58 -0400 Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29171; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:55:50 -0400 From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 21dd34f0; Fri, 23 Aug 96 11:50:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:51:29 -0400 Message-Id: <21dd34f0@doblegate.doble.com> To: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Subject: Re[2]: 32MB addition for 701C Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.840815438" This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.840815438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Now definitely seems a good time to buy memory, I suspect we may be near >the low point in prices, but who knows! I think it is time for another fire 8->. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com --IMA.Boundary.840815438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from [128.169.94.1] by doblegate.doble.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 21db1020; Fri, 23 Aug 96 09:24:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02074; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02042; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:41 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02036; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:39 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06879; Wed, 21 Aug 96 20:11:21 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 20:11:21 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608220011.AA06879@nile.gnat.com> To: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 32MB addition for 701C --IMA.Boundary.840815438-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 12:06:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA092336397; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:06:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00366; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:03:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:02:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00246; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:02:25 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00239; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:02:22 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-f-01.usc.edu [128.125.223.73]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id JAA19405; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960823160329.00731cc0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:03:29 -0700 To: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) Cc: dkeyes@Net1.Net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 11:35 AM 8/23/96 EDT, David Jones wrote: >I note in your mail that you have an Iomega Jaz connected to your TP >760ED via a SlimSCSI. I am curious about the actual connectors since >I have recently acquired an Iomega Zip and am faced with a >connectivity problem. The Zip has a 25 pin socket (Mac SCSI style I >think). What about the Jaz? I assume the SlimSCSI came with a cable >having the normal mini-micro (high density) 50 pin SCSI connector at >the end? I'm not the one you asked, but just my 2 cents... I have an Adaptec SlimSCSI and the cable that comes with it to hook to SCSI peripherals (at least on mine) is the standard 50-pin larger Centronics-style SCSI connector. To hook to your Zip drive (assuming the smaller 25-pin SCSI connector) you'd just need an adapter. Should be fairly easy to obtain. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 12:06:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA092386407; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:06:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29912; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:00:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:59:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29649; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:59:20 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29611; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:59:13 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-f-01.usc.edu [128.125.223.73]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id IAA19099 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960823160031.006d3e38@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:00:31 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: TP 560 Owners--Info? This is a request to those TP 560 Owners and those who know a lot about the machine: The TFT screen is 800x600, right? What's the max color depth you can have at that resolution? 64K colors? Any quirks about the machine I should know about it, especially with respect to Win '95 (I presume it has all the drivers you need?)? Does anyone know about the performance difference between the P120 model & the P133? Is it significant at all? I'd like the larger hard drive, but frankly I'd like to have a bigger one than the 1.08 GB included on the P133, so I'm considering just getting the less expensive P120 with the 810, living with its size (I can do that right now) and then putting in a larger hard drive at a later time. I currently am rather happy with my 701C, but my wife needs a notebook due to her work having *really* screwed-up computers. The choice was to either get another relatively inexpensive machine akin to my 701C or give her mine and use the opportunity to upgrade. I'm a big fan of the smaller form factors of the 701 and (I think) the 560, so I figured the bigger screen & faster CPU of the 560 would be a nice way to go. Thoughts? (Or if you have or know of one to be sold...I don't mind gently used) Many thanks in advance... ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 12:15:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA093936937; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:15:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01851; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:12:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:09:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01333; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:09:26 -0400 Received: from njitgw.njit.edu (njitgw.njit.edu [128.235.251.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01307; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:09:17 -0400 Received: from njit.edu (homer-gw.njit.edu [128.235.1.199]) by njitgw.njit.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00615 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:09:14 -0400 Received: from random.njit.edu by njit.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18519; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:09:16 -0400 Received: by random.njit.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA01262; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:06:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:06:39 -0400 From: marvin@homer.njit.edu (Dr. Marvin Nakayama) Message-Id: <199608231606.MAA01262@random.njit.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: copying data onto new hard disk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: AxmihRw2triZLGvg5rFT2Q== I have a 90-Mhz 760C running Windows 95 with a 720MB hard disk, and I recently bought an IBM 1.08GM internal hard disk. I want to use the new hard disk as my primary one, and the original as a backup. Thus, I need to figure out how to copy all of my data and files onto the new hard disk. I called up IBM, and the person there told me how to partition and format the disk. Also, he said that using the XCOPY command (with the appropriate flags set) in a DOS window would copy all of the visible files but would not get the hidden files. He would not tell me how to copy the invisible files unless I paid IBM $35 fee. I looked at my PC-DOS manual and discovered a command DISKCOPY, but apparently this only will copy data onto a floppy diskette. So does anyone know how to copy all of my data from my original hard disk to my new one? Thanks. Marvin From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 13:30:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA105321444; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:30:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08227; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:23:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:19:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07723; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:19:00 -0400 Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07698; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:18:52 -0400 From: Received: from hpbs1479.boi.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA205340717; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:18:38 -0700 Received: from by hpbs1479.boi.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA266700624; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:17:04 -0700 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 10:16:52 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <21dd34f0@doblegate.doble.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: 32MB addition for 701C Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ecottrell@doble.com Cc: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, dewar@gnat.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-033fb4f7-00000001" --openmail-part-033fb4f7-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="Re[2]:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To add some info for this conversation; I just purchased 2 16mg chips for my 760c from The Chip Merchant for $170.00 ea. A couple of weeks ago, another post had then on here for $155.00 ea. So I think they are slowly rising due to the Christmas season. Richard Hamel Hewlett Packard Network Server Division Santa Clara, USA ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: 32MB addition for 701C Author: Non-HP-ecottrell (ecottrell@doble.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw2 Date: 8/23/96 8:51 AM >Now definitely seems a good time to buy memory, I suspect we may be near >the low point in prices, but who knows! I think it is time for another fire 8->. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com --openmail-part-033fb4f7-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="RFC822" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from [128.169.94.1] by doblegate.doble.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 21db1020; Fri, 23 Aug 96 09:24:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02074; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02042; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:41 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02036; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:14:39 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06879; Wed, 21 Aug 96 20:11:21 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 20:11:21 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608220011.AA06879@nile.gnat.com> To: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 32MB addition for 701C --openmail-part-033fb4f7-00000001-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 13:43:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA107442178; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:42:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09762; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:41:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:39:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09442; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:39:23 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09436; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:39:17 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id KAA21767; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:38:07 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma840819257.012789; Fri Aug 23 09:54:17 1996 Received: (from perley@localhost) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) id JAA08879; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:53:58 -0700 From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199608231653.JAA08879@cds9258.cadence.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: 32MB addition for 701C To: ecottrell@doble.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 9:53:57 PDT Cc: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, dewar@gnat.com In-Reply-To: <21dd34f0@doblegate.doble.com>; from "ecottrell@doble.com" at Aug 23, 96 11:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > >Now definitely seems a good time to buy memory, I suspect we may be near > >the low point in prices, but who knows! > > I think it is time for another fire 8->. We could be seeing a fire sale of sorts. Are manufacturers getting their last hurrah out of old fab lines before a new generation of larger chips hits the market? I know that working 64Mbit and 256 Mbit memory chips were made over a year ago, and 1 Gbit chips are in the works.(this from press releases of the IBM/Thoshiba/Siemens joint projects) I have no idea when they will make their way into consumer market modules. -Don Perley From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 16:43:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA135162980; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:43:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25687; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:39:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:30:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24720; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:30:04 -0400 Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu [137.53.201.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24693; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:29:52 -0400 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:52:27 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:56:25 -0700 From: Ron Sakaguchi To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrade HD on 755cx Who has the best price and warranty for a > 1.2 GB internal drive for a 755cx? Is it easy to take the old drive out of the case and replace it with the new drive? I seem to remember something about two different keyboards for the ThinkPads: a touch typing keyboard and a non-touch typing keyboard? The keyboard on my 755cx has become noisier and harder to type on. Are there any replacement IBM keyboards which have a better feel than the original? Thanks! -------------- Ronald L. Sakaguchi, DDS, MS, PhD Associate Professor Dept of Biomaterials and Biomechanics Oregon Health Sciences University 611 SW Campus Drive, SD-503 Portland, OR 97201 (503) 494-8692 (503) 494-8260 (fax) sakaguch@ohsu.edu -------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 18:58:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA172751096; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:58:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05708; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:56:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:52:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05413; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:52:55 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05406; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:52:48 -0400 Received: from ([158.185.126.12]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA14039; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:52:15 -0700 Message-Id: <321E36E4.1931@conic.lmco.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:55:32 -0700 From: Tom Franklin Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instrumentation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Sakaguchi Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Upgrade HD on 755cx References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron Sakaguchi wrote: > I seem to remember something about two different keyboards for the ThinkPads: a > touch typing keyboard and a non-touch typing keyboard? The keyboard on my 755cx > has become noisier and harder to type on. Are there any replacement IBM > keyboards which have a better feel than the original? My trackpoint mouse button went flakey on my TP755cx and I sent it back for easy serve. The keyboard was terribly noisy, unlike my TP755c, so I asked the tech abouth the two different keyboards. He said there was only one for the TP755cx, but when the new one arrived it was much quieter than the old one. My guess is that there is some variation in munufauturing and the tech picked a quiet one per my request. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 20:57:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA201458244; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:57:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12741; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:56:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:54:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12461; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:54:17 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12438; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:54:14 -0400 Received: from dialin_7_21.enteract.com (dialin_7_21.enteract.com [206.54.253.100]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id TAA07787 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:54:02 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Re: Connectix® Quickcam Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:53:44 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <321e5092.814585@news.enteract.com> References: <32188b55.1924989@news.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Okay, I bought one and now I have a problem and hope another 701 owners has blazed the trail. The QuickCam is working (I bought the color model, what the heck, huh?), but for it to work with a 701 you have to use the Multiport II. It's the only way to have the keyboard port to power the thing. Well, everytime I come out of hibernation or reboot, I lose the port for the camera and have to go into Control Panel and add new hardware, which ends up with me having several ports that don't work. And it ain't exactly fast, either. I've also turned off the infrared port and the main printer port to free up some IRQs, and the sucker still won't do a pc card with the multiport on. Is anyone using Windows95 and his Multiport regularly? I'm thinking there's a way to configure the ports to be active while the dock is on, and release the IRQs for when I don't have it, meaning I could get the camera to run from the get go after attaching the port, and have my usual set-up when it isn't. Tips, hints, suggestions? Also, when I run the Camera, I get several "holes" in the picture, some pixels apparently not turning with the others for the image. Any tips on improving image quality? That's all need :) epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 21:23:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA205109791; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:23:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14473; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:22:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:21:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14371; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:21:26 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14365; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:21:23 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA04532 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:22:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199608240122.TAA04532@aspen.wwsi.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: XFree on Thinkpad 755CX? Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:22:40 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist If any of you have XFree running on the CX in 800x600, please mailme your XF86COnfig file? I *still* can't get it to work! Anyone know which WD chipset is in the CX? Thanks! ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 23:04:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA218765859; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:04:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20659; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:03:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:00:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20183; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:00:06 -0400 Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20161; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:00:02 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.194.112]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA3580; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:59:25 +0000 Message-Id: <321E879D.2C45@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:39:57 -0700 From: Anita Schrodt X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: David Jones Cc: dkeyes@Net1.Net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Jones wrote: > > I note in your mail that you have an Iomega Jaz connected to your TP > 760ED via a SlimSCSI. I am curious about the actual connectors since > I have recently acquired an Iomega Zip and am faced with a > connectivity problem. The Zip has a 25 pin socket (Mac SCSI style I > think). What about the Jaz? I assume the SlimSCSI came with a cable > having the normal mini-micro (high density) 50 pin SCSI connector at > the end? > > David Jones I had to connect a straight scsi CD rom drive to my PC Card and faced similar problem. But can recommend these guys, they can make any kind of SCSI connection you want and they're not expensive: Granite Digital (510) 471-6442 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 23 23:13:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA219686420; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:13:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21649; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:12:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:12:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21559; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:12:09 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21553; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:12:06 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA40171 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 03:12:04 GMT Message-Id: <199608240312.DAA40171@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-168-115.va.us.ibm.net(166.72.168.115) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma3NIDM2; Sat Aug 24 03:12:00 1996 X-Sender: rbkast@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:12:00 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: rbkast@ibm.net (Robert Kasten) Subject: New Member "Intro" I am new to the list. I just got a 760E P120 24M 1.2G CD. What is the deal with the poor keyboards? I had a 755C for nearly 2 years and never had a problem at all. I get this thing and the keyboard is worse than the keyboard on a 1980 TRaSh-80 Color Computer. I mean this is really bad. I called IBM, and they know about the problem and don't plan on doing anything or changing the design. Lovely. Does anyone else notice this problem? I know the Tech at IBM knew exactly what I meant before I even finished the entire explanation. Bob Kasten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 09:15:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA288762513; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:15:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02411; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:13:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:11:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02178; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:11:12 -0400 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lgushee@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.59]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02172; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:11:10 -0400 Received: (from lgushee@localhost) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA07644; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 08:11:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 08:11:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Gushee To: Think Pad Subject: Additional Memory for 701CS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm thinking about getting 8Mb additional memory to join the 8 with which my 701CS came. I know that I need a 3.3v SO DIMM, but zero beyond that. Any tips on brands, providers to avoid, installation problems? Thanks for any and all counsel. Larry Gushee lgushee@uiuc.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 09:15:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA288802515; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:15:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02415; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:13:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:08:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01880; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:08:37 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01874; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:08:34 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02595; Sat, 24 Aug 96 09:05:15 EDT Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 09:05:15 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608241305.AA02595@nile.gnat.com> To: alster@interport.net Subject: Re: Short-tailed mice Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu "noise ...shmoise ...it's quiet enough for my girlfriend to use during class lectures." That would be more convincing if the note came from one of the people sitting near your girlfriend in the lectures. I have never heard anyone typing on one of these keyboards (the old non-tilting TP keyboards) without making an audible racket. If you can hear someone typing from a couple meters away, that's too loud for a meeting -- for a really quiet keyboard, see the old Versa series from NEC -- I have not tried the new ones. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 09:31:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA290603475; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:31:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03682; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:30:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:29:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03494; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:29:24 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03488; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:29:22 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA08097; Sat, 24 Aug 96 09:25:43 EDT Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 09:25:43 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608241325.AA08097@nile.gnat.com> To: ecottrell@doble.com, perley@cadence.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: 32MB addition for 701C Cc: dewar@gnat.com, epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "We could be seeing a fire sale of sorts. Are manufacturers getting their last hurrah out of old fab lines before a new generation of larger chips hits the market? I know that working 64Mbit and 256 Mbit memory chips were made over a year ago, and 1 Gbit chips are in the works.(this from press releases of the IBM/Thoshiba/Siemens joint projects) I have no idea when they will make their way into consumer market modules." I don't think that is an accurate picture, there are now hundreds of millions of machines out there that will need more memory but will not be able to take advantage of the new chips. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 09:47:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA292384475; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:47:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05010; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:47:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:46:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04855; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:45:59 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04848; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:45:55 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA12491; Sat, 24 Aug 96 09:42:37 EDT Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 09:42:37 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608241342.AA12491@nile.gnat.com> To: sakaguch@ohsu.edu, tomf@conic.lmco.com Subject: Re: Upgrade HD on 755cx Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu what on earth is the differences between a "touch typing" keyboard and a "non-touch typing" keyboard? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 10:02:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA294165345; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:02:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05971; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:01:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:01:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05881; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:01:12 -0400 Received: from math.rutgers.edu (math.rutgers.edu [128.6.62.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05875; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:01:09 -0400 Received: (from moy@localhost) by math.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.12) id KAA21188; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:01:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:01:00 -0400 From: moy Message-Id: <199608241401.KAA21188@math.rutgers.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: LILO and large HD (IBM 755c) Cc: moy@math.rutgers.edu I have been running Linux on a Thinkpad 755C (DX2/50) and a 540 Meg HD on for about a year. I recently purchased a "large" 1.08 gig HD and have installed Linux on in a small "boot/rescue" partition (/dev/hda2) which lies "below 500", but I have been unable to get LILO to work. I can of course boot from floppy. It is the case that /sbin/lilo installs lilo, but when I try to boot with LILO, I get LI and then the system hangs. My /etc/lilo.conf file is ########################################################################### # LILO configuration file # # Start LILO global section boot = /dev/hda delay = 80 install = /boot/boot.b #Stanza for booting on /dev/hda2 image = /vmlinuz label = vmlinuz root = /dev/hda2 vga = normal # force sane state read-only append = "floppy=thinkpad" #Stanza for booting dos on /dev/hda1 other = /dev/hda1 label = dos table = /dev/hda ########################################################################### ccording to fdisk, the HD geometry is 2362,15,60 Would anyone know what I need to do to get LILO to work with the larger HD? Thanks in advance. - Allen Moy From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 10:19:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA296066371; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:19:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07146; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:18:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:13:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06710; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:13:06 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com ([205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06704; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:12:59 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19348; Sat, 24 Aug 96 10:08:11 EDT Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 10:08:11 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608241408.AA19348@nile.gnat.com> To: lgushee@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Additional Memory for 701CS " I'm thinking about getting 8Mb additional memory to join the 8 with which my 701CS came. I know that I need a 3.3v SO DIMM, but zero beyond that. Any tips on brands, providers to avoid, installation problems? Thanks for any and all counsel. " Check out prices on 16 meg DIMMS before you decide, memory is *really* cheap at the moment, and eventually you will need the 16 anyway. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 11:12:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA003469543; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:12:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11047; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:11:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:10:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10826; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:10:00 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu (supply.econ.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.12.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10820; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:09:57 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id LAA02143; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608241509.LAA15763@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: ssh@wwsi.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608240122.TAA04532@aspen.wwsi.com> (message from Steve Hultquist on Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:22:40 -0600) Subject: Re: XFree on Thinkpad 755CX? I have tried XFree86 on my Thnkpad 755CX in 800x600 and have never been fully sucessful. I usually just see the screen with black, gray and white rectangles. A partial sucess I experienced is as follows. 1. Install SVGA development kit for emx (svgakt18.zip available at hobbes). 2. Save the following code in file tpstartx.c. #include #include #include int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { VesaSetMode(0x103); system("startx"); } 3. Compile it by typing gcc -o tpstartx.exe tpstartx.c -lvesa 4. Start a fullscreen OS/2 session and type set svgadll=vesa_wd 5. Run tpstartx.exe Then you would see X-windows in 800x600 mode. But this is not very useful. If you go to WPS keeping XFree86 running and go back to XFree86 again. The screen becomes senseless black, gray and white rectangles. Shinichi >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Hultquist writes: Steve> If any of you have XFree running on the CX in 800x600, Steve> please mailme your XF86COnfig file? I *still* can't get it Steve> to work! Steve> Anyone know which WD chipset is in the CX? Steve> Thanks! ssh -- ============================================================================= Shinichi Sakata, Ph.D. The University of Michigan Internet: ssakata@umich.edu Department of Economics Phone: (313) 764-2368 / 2355 240 Lorch Hall, 1220 Fax: (313) 764-2769 611 Tappan Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 ============================================================================= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 11:18:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA003939904; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:18:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11542; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:17:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:16:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11398; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:16:00 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11392; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:15:58 -0400 Received: from alans (philly149.voicenet.com [207.103.16.228]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA24079; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608241514.LAA24079@mail.voicenet.com> From: "Alan Sukiennik" To: "Michael Fukatsu" , "Vishy Swaminathan" Cc: Subject: Re: Mwave and Linux Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:03:27 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Michael Fukatsu > To: Vishy Swaminathan > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Mwave and Linux > Date: Friday, August 23, 1996 11:47 AM > > I also have a 755CD running Linux. You can get the Soundblaster > emulation to work by booting to DOS (This loads the DSP info into the > mwave chip) and then use loadlin to boot to Linux. As far as I know, > (and I've been searching for a while) there is no support for the modem > features in Linux yet. I heard rumors that there were 1 or 2 guys > working on it but I haven't been able to track them down. As for now, > the 755CD is modem-less under Linux. > > -Mike You can always use a pcmcia modem. I use USR 28.8 card and it works just fine. Regards, -=alan=- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 12:35:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA012734531; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:35:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16510; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:34:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:31:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16310; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:31:37 -0400 Received: from janus.saturn.net (root@janus.saturn.net [206.42.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16304; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:31:34 -0400 Received: from bu.bu.edu (PPP-87-2.BU.EDU [128.197.8.214]) by janus.saturn.net (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA03609 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:31:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199608241631.MAA03609@janus.saturn.net> X-Sender: elw@saturn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:24:03 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Erik Williams Subject: 365 List? Hello, I just subscribed to this list because I am about to buy my first laptop and am looking for feedback on the 365X TP. Am I in the wrong place? Do many posts pertain to the 365 serise? I know there is a 500 mailing list, but is there a 365 list? Thanks for your help and feedback. Erik L. Williams elw@saturn.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 13:32:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA020347962; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:32:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19162; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:31:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:29:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18939; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:29:18 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18932; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:29:04 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA05601; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:30:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199608241730.LAA05601@aspen.wwsi.com> To: "Shinichi Sakata" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XFree on Thinkpad 755CX? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:09:49 EDT." <199608241509.LAA15763@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:30:17 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Thanks for your code! Here's what I did, thanks to a pointer to the Xfree for WD chips HOWTO: Built a DOS bootable floppy. Put PS2 (Thinkpad Utilities), LOADLIN, and the kernel on it. Boot it. Run a BAT that does: PS2 MODE3X ON LOADLIN a:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 I get a *crummy* console (I have to figure out the appropriate termcap, probably), but X runs fine in 800x600. Anyone know if any of the other X server (specifically MetroX) can do this? ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 14:52:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA029282765; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:52:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23428; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:52:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:49:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23101; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:49:07 -0400 Received: from pointer.netpoint.net (pointer.netpoint.net [198.69.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23093; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:49:04 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (slip166-72-131-74.fl.us.ibm.net [166.72.131.74]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA29515; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608241840.OAA29515@pointer.netpoint.net> To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), lgushee@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 2.0) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:48:40 EST From: Bill Schwartz Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: Re: Additional Memory for 701CS Addressed to: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) lgushee@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Sat, 24 Aug 96 10:08:11 EDT The current price for the TP701 16MB is $175.00. The memory is GoldenRam and will keep you on all your IBM guar. and warranties. Bill High Performance Cartridges Inc. Po Box 545890 Surfside, Fl. 33154 PH:(305)868-8430 FAX:(305)864-7367 URL:http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/hpcart.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 24 16:16:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA039567765; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:16:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28734; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:15:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:10:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28277; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:10:03 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu (supply.econ.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.12.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28260; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:10:00 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id QAA03258; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608242009.QAA17011@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: ssh@wwsi.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608241730.LAA05601@aspen.wwsi.com> (message from Steve Hultquist on Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:30:17 -0600) Subject: Re: XFree on Thinkpad 755CX? Hi Steve, Sorry for my garbage message. I somehow believed that you were using XFree86 for OS/2, though I don't know why. For Linux, the method you described should work. Shinichi >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Hultquist writes: Steve> Thanks for your code! Here's what I did, thanks to a Steve> pointer to the Xfree for WD chips HOWTO: Steve> Built a DOS bootable floppy. Put PS2 (Thinkpad Utilities), Steve> LOADLIN, and the kernel on it. Boot it. Run a BAT that Steve> does: Steve> PS2 MODE3X ON LOADLIN a:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 Steve> I get a *crummy* console (I have to figure out the Steve> appropriate termcap, probably), but X runs fine in 800x600. Steve> Anyone know if any of the other X server (specifically Steve> MetroX) can do this? Steve> ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 25 05:23:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA135304986; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:23:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20645; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:22:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:15:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19820; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:14:59 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19814; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:14:52 -0400 Received: from mol-il1-03.ix.netcom.com (oam@mol-il1-03.ix.netcom.com [205.184.148.35]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA16963 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 02:14:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199608250914.CAA16963@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Carmody" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:07:24 +0000 Subject: 760ED/Scratchy Sound Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing low level scratchy sound using the Windows 95 record/play feature on Thinkpads. Could there be a fix already in place if I could tell more about my Mwave version number? This unit was 6/96 production and is a dream in all respects but sound recording/playing. Unfortunately, the cheery young chaps at Thinkpad Help Center don't seem to have a better suggestions than to send it in for evaluation and possible complete re-installation of all software . All comments welcomed! Thanks, -- John Carmody E-mail: oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 25 21:59:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA253554788; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:59:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22358; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:56:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:47:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21609; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:47:43 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21603; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:47:41 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-82.shadow.net [204.177.71.82]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13437 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960826014538.006ba594@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:45:38 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: My DockII is up for sale I decided to put my Dock II up for sale. Not being in the mood for 3847387 messages on what a Right Price is, I decided to just list it at AuctionWeb with an initial asking bid of $450. If you think that's reasonable, go bid on it - http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=tpv2802 is the direct URL. I've included my quickcharger/conditioner in the deal. If a listmember buys it, I'll throw in a paperweight cleverly disguised as a 750 battery. *grin* Donald Alan Whiteside "I like you. You're trouble." - Draal, who clearly shares my taste in women. "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 25 22:48:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA259787705; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:48:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25849; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:47:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:45:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25685; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:45:39 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25675; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:45:35 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu (slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu) by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA259447529; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:45:29 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0uurg8-0000Y3C (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Sun, 25 Aug 96 22:45 EDT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 96 22:45 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu Cc: vishy@trl.ksar.sdl.usu.edu, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: (mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu) Subject: Mwave and Linux X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Fukatsu I also have a 755CD running Linux. You can get the Soundblaster emulation to work by booting to DOS (This loads the DSP info into the mwave chip) and then use loadlin to boot to Linux. As far as I know, (and I've been searching for a while) there is no support for the modem features in Linux yet. I heard rumors that there were 1 or 2 guys working on it but I haven't been able to track them down. As for now, the 755CD is modem-less under Linux. Probably you heard the rumor from me. Here is the only substantiation that I have for this; from my point of view this moves it from rumor to vaporware. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:54:24 +0100 From: Joachim Seifert To: Adam Megacz , Alvin Starr , Andreas Muellers , Brad Pepers , "Bruce W. Bigby (963081)" , COMITALE LEO , Chris Hanson , DE VITO Eric 146599 , David Fox , Erik Troan , Jeff Bryer , Joe Edmonds , John Baltzer , John Brock , "M.L.A. Lammerse" , Marek Teichmann , Pim van Meurs , Raul Miller , Sanjay Seth , Thomas E Zerucha , Thorsten Koch , aoster Subject: Mwave for Linux IS coming ! Dear Friends, Some of you might have lost hope, but their is good news --- Mwave Support for Linux is coming. Hannu Savolainen (The Author of the TASD (former Voxware) Sounddriver) is going to port the DSP-Loader and the sound interface for us. Hannu Savolainen wrote: > > I'm very much interested in implementing mwave support to the sound > driver. My goal is to implement the driver in a way that is compatible > with IBM's OS/2, DOS and Windows drivers so that the same MWave modules > could be used in Linux. This also should make it possible to use standard > MWave development tools (MWave SDK) in developing these modules for > Linux. What is still needed is people who would do the interfacing to the Modem,Fax,(ISDN?,Voice?) Services of the Mwave-System.Hopefully using the IBM-DSP code this should not be too difficult, as one should only reproduce the handling the Windows(OS/2, DOS)-drivers do. It would be very good to have some volunteers for this matter, before searching help from IBM (In fact the lack of a lead programmer made me hesitating in contacting IBM -- this problem is now gone !). Also Linux-Friendly contact addresses from Hardware manufacturers (IBM,Miro) might be handy now. This is List as it stands now, if you'd like to add/(remove) yourself or friends. Please drop me a note. If the project gets going I'll devote a web-page to it. interested are: aoster alien@essex.ac.uk (Adrian F Clark) pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Alvin Starr David Fox DE VITO Eric pim@nepac.ucsd.edu (Pim van Meurs) guyver@pi.net joee@netcom.com (Joe Edmonds) John Baltzer Thomas E Zerucha tkoch@informatik.hu-berlin.de (Thorsten Koch) cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) teichman@SLINKY.CS.NYU.EDU (Marek Teichmann) Joachim Seifert COMITALE LEO Sanjay Seth martin@zib-berlin.de Raul Miller teffta@erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) John Brock The following people are also willing to help in the coding: Hannu Savolainen DE VITO Eric 146599 pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) joee@netcom.com (Joe Edmonds) Yours Joachim -- Joachim Seifert | System Administrator University of Munich | Theresienstrasse 37 80333 Muenchen | Germany -------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Joachim.Seifert@Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE WWW: : http://www.ls-wess.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~seifert From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 12:38:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA063477485; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:38:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28848; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:24:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27804; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:24:52 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27797; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:24:31 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:24:19 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: Buying hardware in Hongkong? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:24:19 +0200 (MES) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Does anybody know where to buy hardware such as a HD in Hongkong? A friend of mine is going to Hongkong and I'm wondering if this is the moment to upgrade my HD. I guess (or, rather, hope) it's a lot cheaper than buying in Europe... Thanks Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 14:24:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA081283874; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:24:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07867; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:21:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:17:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07531; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:17:38 -0400 Received: from ns.moneng.mei.com (ns.moneng.mei.com [151.186.180.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07518; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:17:33 -0400 Received: from atlas.mei.com (atlas.mis.mei.com) by ns.moneng.mei.com with SMTP id AA05822 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:17:25 -0500 Received: from nickdo.mis.mei.com by atlas.mei.com (NTMail 3.01.01) id wa001868; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:17:31 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nick Rushizky" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:18:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Question on 755 CDV and Win95 Reply-To: Nick@atlas.mis.mei.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: 18173099000486@mei.com I have a user who's had this thing running with WFW for a long time. He's handing off the unit to someone else, who needs to have 95 (not the power user, this one...) I'm concerned that if I just throw 95 on this, some of the software tweaks that IBM put in here (the Mwave modem, at least) will throw up on me. Any suggestions as to how to handle this? I'm out of ideas as to how to be gentle with it.. short of trying to find out afterwards what doesn't work, and fixing it! Thanks much in advance... any help would be appreciated!! Nick Rushizky | If you know yourself, as you PC Support Specialist | know your enemy, then you Marquette Medical Systems | are sure to defeat him. Nick@atlas.mis.mei.com | Sun Tzu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 14:28:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA081744132; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:28:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08305; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:26:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:25:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08120; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:25:16 -0400 Received: from Net1.Net (mailhost.net1.net [204.254.232.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08089; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:25:05 -0400 Received: from mypc.neosoft.com (ppp044.Net1.Net) by Net1.Net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21986; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:08:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9608261808.AA21986@Net1.Net> From: "David R. Keyes" To: "Anita Schrodt" , "David Jones" Cc: , Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:24:43 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1085 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By separate order to a mail-order store (I used PC's Compleat), you can buy a special cable made by Adaptec, which is a 3-foot, APA-1460 SlimSCSI to High Density ext. SCSI cable. Adaptec's part number is ACK-1460. They charged me $41 plus tax, shipping and handling, or $52.99 total. For about $15 less, you can get a converted plug from the low density to the high density and use the cable that came with the SlimSCSI. But that is a very bulky option for a laptop user. ---------- > From: Anita Schrodt > To: David Jones > Cc: dkeyes@Net1.Net; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) > Date: Friday, August 23, 1996 11:39 PM > > David Jones wrote: > > > > I note in your mail that you have an Iomega Jaz connected to your TP > > 760ED via a SlimSCSI. I am curious about the actual connectors since > > I have recently acquired an Iomega Zip and am faced with a > > connectivity problem. The Zip has a 25 pin socket (Mac SCSI style I > > think). What about the Jaz? I assume the SlimSCSI came with a cable > > having the normal mini-micro (high density) 50 pin SCSI connector at > > the end? > > > > David Jones > > I had to connect a straight scsi CD rom drive to my PC Card and faced > similar problem. But can recommend these guys, they can make any kind of > SCSI connection you want and they're not expensive: > Granite Digital > (510) 471-6442 > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 14:32:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA082294359; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:32:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08506; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:28:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:27:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08387; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:27:38 -0400 Received: from fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com ([153.113.2.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08380; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:27:35 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com by fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uv6MX-000311C; Mon, 26 Aug 96 13:26 CDT Received: from astpc35.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0uv6Jb-0008E8C; Mon, 26 Aug 96 13:23 CDT Message-Id: From: "Scott A. Stratmoen" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 13:25:14 +0600 Reply-To: "Scott A. Stratmoen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Scott Stratmoen's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Buying hardware in Hongkong? There is a place up north called something like the Golden Computer Market. I didn't think the pricing on hard drives to be anything special. Hong Kong is the place to go for bootleg software.... On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:24:19 +0200 (MES), Christoph Eyrich wrote: >Does anybody know where to buy hardware such as a HD in Hongkong? >A friend of mine is going to Hongkong and I'm wondering if this >is the moment to upgrade my HD. I guess (or, rather, hope) it's >a lot cheaper than buying in Europe... > >Thanks > >Christoph Eyrich > >eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de > ____ Scott A. Stratmoen 847-259-9600 ex 4762 strat@eiws.esid.northgrum.com sstratmoen@radiomail.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 14:37:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083264673; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:37:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09044; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:34:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:32:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08895; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:32:38 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08887; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:32:36 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA082214330; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:32:10 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0uv6SI-0000WTC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Mon, 26 Aug 96 14:32 EDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 14:32 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: moy@math.rutgers.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608241401.KAA21188@math.rutgers.edu> (moy@math.rutgers.edu) Subject: LILO and large HD (IBM 755c) X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:01:00 -0400 From: moy I recently purchased a "large" 1.08 gig HD and have installed Linux on in a small "boot/rescue" partition (/dev/hda2) which lies "below 500", but I have been unable to get LILO to work. I can of course boot from floppy. It is the case that /sbin/lilo installs lilo, but when I try to boot with LILO, I get LI and then the system hangs. According to fdisk, the HD geometry is 2362,15,60 I'm running a 755C with a 1.2 Gb disk right now. LILO works fine. The kernel reports my disk geometry as "2358/16/63" in "/var/log/messages"; fdisk sees it as "589,64,63". Here are some relevant questions: * How does DOS see your geometry? * What version of the BIOS are you running? (I believe you need 1.15 or later to use large disks.) * What version of the Linux kernel are you using (I'm running 2.0)? I will guess that DOS sees your geometry as "590,60,60". If so, you can fix this by adding an appropriate "hda=..." to your LILO "append" string (or "hd=..." if you are using Linux 1.2). That will force fdisk to recognize your geometry in an appropriate way. I used to force the geometry of my disk when I was using Linux 1.2, but since I upgraded to 2.0 I haven't needed to do this. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 14:45:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA084195105; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:45:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09732; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:41:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:40:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09452; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:39:58 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09446; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:39:56 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (bass-43.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.107]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19525 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960826113930.006a3a30@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:39:40 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: TP 560 Owners--Info? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been wondering about these questions myself, any 560 owners want to share? At 09:00 AM 8/23/96 -0700, Randy wrote: > This is a request to those TP 560 Owners and those who know a lot >about the machine: > > The TFT screen is 800x600, right? What's the max color depth you >can have at that resolution? 64K colors? > > Any quirks about the machine I should know about it, especially with >respect to Win '95 (I presume it has all the drivers you need?)? Does >anyone know about the performance difference between the P120 model & the >P133? Is it significant at all? I'd like the larger hard drive, but >frankly I'd like to have a bigger one than the 1.08 GB included on the P133, >so I'm considering just getting the less expensive P120 with the 810, living >with its size (I can do that right now) and then putting in a larger hard >drive at a later time. > > I currently am rather happy with my 701C, but my wife needs a >notebook due to her work having *really* screwed-up computers. The choice >was to either get another relatively inexpensive machine akin to my 701C or >give her mine and use the opportunity to upgrade. I'm a big fan of the >smaller form factors of the 701 and (I think) the 560, so I figured the >bigger screen & faster CPU of the 560 would be a nice way to go. > > Thoughts? (Or if you have or know of one to be sold...I don't mind >gently used) > > Many thanks in advance... _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 16:35:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA102421716; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:35:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21068; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:25:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:21:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20718; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:21:37 -0400 Received: from GPO.iol.ie (GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20703; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:21:31 -0400 Received: from mloftus.iol.ie (dialup-038.sligo.iol.ie [194.125.48.38]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail(v8.7.5) with ESMTP id VAA26849 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:21:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199608262021.VAA26849@GPO.iol.ie> From: "Mary Loftus" To: Subject: Re: Asymetrix Digital Video Capture - disabled Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:52:01 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, Bill - not yet - but my dealer has promised to get onto IBM and get full copies of all drivers and software. I'll keep you posted. Mary ---------- > From: Bill McMilleon > To: Mary Loftus > Subject: Re: Asymetrix Digital Video Capture - disabled > Date: 25 August 1996 13:52 > > Have you found a resolution for this yet? I'm in the same boat - even > have the same IRQ of 9 selected! > However, I only have a 755cd. I get the same messages you do. > > Bill McMilleon > 360 Communications > billmc@mtco.com Vision Communications Address: Broher, Charlestown, Co. Sligo, Ireland Phone & Fax: 353 94 54859 Mobile: 088 632047 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 17:30:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA112995022; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:30:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26482; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:28:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:24:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26068; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:24:31 -0400 Received: from cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us [198.109.120.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26062; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:24:27 -0400 Received: from escribaj.mlc.lib.mi.us (libpc129.lib.hfh.edu [150.198.248.129]) by cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (8.7.3/Merit) with ESMTP id RAA25035 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608262124.RAA25035@cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us> From: "Joseph Escribano" To: "ThinkPad listserv" Subject: Computer Quick Corp Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:20:21 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone had any experience with this company? It's in San Francisco, and I need to order something from them. They're at http://www.cqk.com/. Access is real slow right now, and I'll check their site again tomorrow morning. TIA, Joe |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Joseph Escribano Coordinator-Department Information Resources | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Sladen Library & Center for Health Information Resources | | Henry Ford Health System Detroit, Michigan USA | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 17:33:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA113345205; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:33:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26896; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:30:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:29:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26517; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:29:02 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net (park.interport.net [199.184.165.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26507; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:28:59 -0400 Received: from interport.net (alster@madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24876 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26096 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:28:47 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: XF86Config for 760E In-Reply-To: <9608261808.AA21986@Net1.Net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, Can someone please send me an XF86Config for a Thinkpad 760E to run at 800x600? I have Meinhard E. Mayer's but it gives me lines and stuff. He mentioned that his is for a 760C and I would probably have to tinker with pci-burst, timings, etc. Also, any word if Accelerated-X and/or Metro-X has support? Thanks. --- alster@interport.net allen@metaverse.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 17:41:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116215667; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:41:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27703; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:39:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:38:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27561; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:38:43 -0400 Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27554; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:38:39 -0400 Received: from CLAUDIA ([129.126.232.4]) by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA24167 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:37:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199608262137.AA24167@kodakr.kodak.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:30:00 -0400 From: "King, Randall" Subject: Hard drive passwords (final word?) To: "'SMTP:THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Cc: "Nolen, Jim" , "Harte, Christopher" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME OK, I have been working on trying to crack the passwords on the 75X machines for while now, and here is my preliminary conclusion. They're locked! But good! :) Seriously, I think I understand how the hard drives are locked, and it's a neat little trick. I'm not giving up on cracking this yet though. Here is what I have been through today... Basically I got a 2.5" -> IDE adapter and hooked a 'locked' drive up to a desktop machine. After messing around with the jumpers, I finally got the machine to recognize the drive. It reported a 168 Meg drive as hard drive #2 (I used the standard 170 drive). I then went in with Norton and looked at the sectors on the disk 'low level'. It would kept telling me that the drive was not formatted. I was able to jump around on the disk, but soon noticed that all of the sectors looked the same. It was still only showing sector 1! The sector was filled with nothing decernable, so I exited out of Norton, and ran FDisk. It would start, and then tell me there wasn't enough room for the DOS partition. It read that the drive was still 168Meg, but it would not fdisk it. Hmmm... So I messed around with the Norton stuff some more, when I decided to 'test' the disk. Suddenly it reported that there was a controller error. D'oh! I tried a few more partitioning programs to see if I could just get the disk reformatted, but nothing worked. I entered Diskedit and removed all of the characters from the sector (essentially making it a blank sector), and still no change. Eventually I gave up, put the drive back into the IBM case, and popped it back into my machine. Sure enough I turned it on, and it booted up to the hard drive password. I cleared the hard drive password (did I mention that I knew the password, this was a test), and the machine booted fine. I couldn't even find a error from all of the messing/erasing I did in the 'phantom' sector on the disk. So here are my conclusions (hey IBM, pay attention!). I now believe that the password is stored on an EPROM on the drive itsself. Once the drive is in the laptop, the machine tests the drive to see if it can only see 1 sector. If it sees only one, it knows to go look at the EPROM, ask for the password, and signal the controller to run if it matches. The controller knows to look on the EPROM, and it if sees anything, it will only show 1 sector of the drive. If the correct password is not entered, then the controller on the drive will not show past that one sector. The password could still be stored on the hard drive, but something on the laptop itself must be able to see onto the drive. I still believe the password is in the curcuitry on the drive. Any other tricks anyone wants me to try? I'm open to suggestions. I have Norton, and IBM DOS available to me. Interesting other notes: In Norton's Diskedit, it reported that the disk was using media type F8, and it didn't like that, so it switched it to F0... Diskedit wouldn't show me anything but 1 partition, with that junk sector in it. Is there a program that will 'simulate' a disks controller using software? Maybe something that sees past the 540 barrier? If the controller is disabled, how does the system know it is a 168M drive? still hackin'... RK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 17:50:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA118456253; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:50:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28685; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:49:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:48:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28571; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:48:44 -0400 Received: from bbnplanet.com (poblano.near.net [198.114.157.116]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28564; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:48:41 -0400 Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760E To: aoster Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:47:56 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hawkinson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "aoster" at Aug 26, 96 05:28:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9608261747.aa28829@poblano.bbnplanet.com> > Can someone please send me an XF86Config for a Thinkpad 760E to run at > 800x600? I have Meinhard E. Mayer's but it gives me lines and stuff. He > mentioned that his is for a 760C and I would probably have to tinker with > pci-burst, timings, etc. No, this is all bogus. This problem is just a plain old X server bug, attacking the XF86Config file will not help. This is fixed in XFree86 3.1.2F which will be out later this week. As an interim measure, try hitting the switch-monitors Fn toggle a couple times after starting the X server. Alternatively, the XF86_VGA16 server should work. --jhawk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 18:01:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA120996903; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:01:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29884; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:00:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:59:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29574; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:58:57 -0400 Received: from seralph10.essex.ac.uk (seralph10.essex.ac.uk [155.245.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29551; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:58:48 -0400 Received: from sf113.essex.ac.uk by seralph10.essex.ac.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Feb95-1154AM) id AA12879; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:58:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:58:22 BST From: Jayan Patel Subject: Re: TP 560 Owners--Info? To: jesse montrose Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:39:40 -0700 jesse montrose wrote: > From: jesse montrose > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:39:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: TP 560 Owners--Info? > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > > I've been wondering about these questions myself, any 560 owners want to share? This is a copy of email I sent to Randy... > This is a request to those TP 560 Owners and those who know a lot about the machine: I am not a knowledgeable person, but I can give you my impressions. > The TFT screen is 800x600, right? What's the max color depth you can have at that resolution? 64K colors? > At present I have 800x600 with 64K colors. Alternatives offered are 800x600 at '16 bit colors' or 640x480 with '24 bit colors' > Any quirks about the machine I should know about it, especially with respect to Win '95 (I presume it has all the drivers you need?)? Apart from faulty keyboards in general (my backspace sticks; others have reported sticking keys) everything is in perfect running order. I put in 16MB RAM which I think makes a bit of difference to speed, etc. > Does anyone know about the performance difference between the P120 model & the P133? Is it significant at all? One magazine article I read dismissed the difference as anything to get excited about and said it would just add heat to the internals of the computer, but I am running the P120 and haven't had a chance to look at a P133 model. It's really fast as far as I am concerned. I am appending a news message from comp.sys.laptop in case you miss it: Terence Mark wrote: > > In <321B8FBC.1F5E@www.sorbothane.com>, Brian Gordon writes: > >Is anyone using the IBM ThinkPad 560? I am looking for an > >evaluation of the unit. What do you like and dislike. I > >am considering buying one. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Brian > > Likes: > - it's very light > - keyboard and trackpoint are good (although I received 2 machines with > faulty keyboards, the third one is a charm so far) > > Dislikes: > - external floppy is very awkward to connect; cable design and placement > of ports on both computer and drive make using the drive very inconvenient; > would be almost impossible with limited space (say, on an airplane). > - IBM seems to have some quality control problems - one of my machines died > 24 hours after getting it. On another, the floppy drive cable and/or > connectors went bad after a week of use. > - only a 1 year warranty > - I was forced to pay for Windows 95. > - I was forced to pay for SmartSuite. > > terry > tmark@psych.ucla.edu I would agree with the above, except: The external floppy drive is no different from the one I had on my Toshiba 2155CDS. One addendum: IBM doesn't specify that the floppy drive should only be attached or disattached while the computer is OFF otherwise (according to a magazine article) there is a risk of damaging the floppy disk controller through power surges, spikes and the like. (Toshiba didn't warn of this either). Further, the Smartsuite (which is free) comes on CD-ROM, so you have to find some way of installing it. By way of further comment... Overall Evaluation: Excellent. I have the P120, 12.1" TFT screen. Out-of-box experience: excellent. I am running Windows 95 and installed 16MB additional RAM immediately. Everything is smooth. I have not had the problems of slow minimizing Windows that were reported in earlier news messages. Display: very good - not as bright as I imagined (first TFT screen after two passive-matrix screens) but at least family/friends can see what I'm trying to show them on the screen. The size (12.1") and resolution (800x600) of the screen really do make a difference in being able to see fonts more easily. Battery life: haven't used it hard yet, but informally, I have got 2-2 1/2 hours use without any sign of having to shut down, although the extra RAM helps here. It's Lithium Ion, so there are no headaches about having to run the battery down totally before recharging. I have had trouble getting hold of another battery unit. It is a bit cumbersome setting the power management variables in detail, but with this battery I have not been bothered to do that much customisation. Ease of use: IBM includes some very useful utilities, so that you are really in charge of the machine, not subject to the whims of what OS makers make available to you. Example: It's very easy to turn the power on/off to the PCMCIA slots so that you can leave a card in the slot without it drawing power from the battery when not in use. (Not the case with two previous Toshibas) Support: (UK perspective) I have not had to call on IBM for service yet, but while researching what laptop to get, they got 10/10 for knowledge and response-time. In addition, down the road I will go to Windows NT: the IBM web site has the best resources on the whats and hows of setting up and running NT. The TP560 is supported for Windows NT 3.51 and will be for 4.0 when it comes out. Toshiba had nothing on its Website last time I looked and apparently Compaq couldn't say when they will support NT on the rival Armada 4100 at the present time. DEC is supposed to offer NT 4.0 pre-loaded on its Hinote Ultra II. But I diverge. Looks: Even though I myself am satisfied with the looks, others who look at it are just *wowed*. It seems to be a bit of a knockout. They say, 'It's light! I want one!' :-) Other points Likes: - The ports at the back are covered by a rubber cover which you take off when you want to use the ports and put back on at other times - a very nice halfway house between breakable hinged covers and no cover at all. - The power adapter is small and light, too. Dislikes: - The trackpoint pointing device is sluggish to my mind, even with fast settings in Control Panel. I am hoping that the current version of Mouseware which is bundled with the Logitech Mouseman I have on order includes the mouse acceleration feature it had in previous versions. - Although there is a port replicator available, there is no Docking Station for the TP560: IBM says they will monitor customer requests before determining whether to produce one. For what it's worth, here is my list of why I chose the TP560 over comparable products from other manufacturers. My most important criterion (aside from being lightweight) was the availability of support around the world - including Africa: this was very heavily in IBM's favour. Compaq Armada 4100 Disadvantages: no Windows NT support in sight; expensive if all the various bits and pieces are bought to make it modular (batteries, multimedia module); smaller screen (11.3/11.8"); uncertain as to when it will ship; query over the keyboard - lack of positive reviews Advantages: better sound system; Cardbus-ready PCMCIA slots; 2MB video RAM; Level 2 cache; 3 year warranty Toshiba Portege 650CT Disadvantages: No Windows NT support talked about; smaller screen (11.3"); short battery life; fan needed to cool the P133 chip (!); heavier; query as to when available. Advantages: built-in fax/modem; 16MB RAM standard; Cardbus-ready PCMCIA slots capable of taking Zoomed Video technology; 3 year warranty; Level 2 cache; 2MB video RAM Digital Hinote Ultra II Disadvantages: smaller screen (10.4" - 11.3" now available?); inconvenient floppy drive attachment; query over the keyboard Advantages: Windows NT pre-load available; lightweight; Level 2 cache; 3 year warranty This is not an in-depth comparison, and above all, I did not have the chance to actually TRY OUT the different machines. Jayan Patel patelj@essex.ac.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 18:14:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA123037667; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:14:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01313; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:13:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:12:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01178; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:12:17 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net (park.interport.net [199.184.165.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01172; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:12:15 -0400 Received: from interport.net (alster@madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28901 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01536 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Reply-To: aoster Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760E In-Reply-To: <9608261747.aa28829@poblano.bbnplanet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, John Hawkinson wrote: > > Can someone please send me an XF86Config for a Thinkpad 760E to run at > > 800x600? I have Meinhard E. Mayer's but it gives me lines and stuff. He > > mentioned that his is for a 760C and I would probably have to tinker with > > pci-burst, timings, etc. > > No, this is all bogus. This problem is just a plain old X server bug, > attacking the XF86Config file will not help. This is fixed in XFree86 > 3.1.2F which will be out later this week. > > As an interim measure, try hitting the switch-monitors Fn toggle a > couple times after starting the X server. Alternatively, the > XF86_VGA16 server should work. Cool ..thanks for saving me the trouble ...of attacking my XF86Config --- alster@interport.net allen@metaverse.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 19:19:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA134531595; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:19:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05870; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:19:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:15:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05350; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:15:40 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05335; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:15:34 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA14823; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:15:21 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA17470; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:15:20 +1000 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:15:18 +1000 (EST) To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Buying hardware in Hongkong? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII major problem with buying far from where you live is warrenty service and/or return if it doesn't work. even companies that offer 'international' warrenties may not service products bought outside the country in which the national subdivision operates. in other words, if i bought a thinkpad while visiting the u.s., and brought it back here to aus, the australian ibm people might be reluctant/refuse to service it because a) i live here; b) i am not just visiting; and, c) because they didn't sell it to me yet would have to charge the costs of service against their sales. i am just speculating re ibm, but that is how it works for many companies and their international warrenties - they are good only if you are travelling, temporarily in another country. please correct me if this has changed. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > Does anybody know where to buy hardware such as a HD in Hongkong? > A friend of mine is going to Hongkong and I'm wondering if this > is the moment to upgrade my HD. I guess (or, rather, hope) it's > a lot cheaper than buying in Europe... > > Thanks > > Christoph Eyrich > > eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 19:39:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA137362782; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:39:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06808; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:33:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:31:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06633; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:31:34 -0400 Received: from vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (root@vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.250]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06622; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:31:24 -0400 Received: from vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.200]) by vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00501; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:37:23 -0400 Received: from SERVER1/MAILQ by vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (Mercury 1.21); 26 Aug 96 19:32:14 +1100 Received: from MAILQ by SERVER1 (Mercury 1.21); 26 Aug 96 19:32:07 +1100 From: "Peter W. Borders" Organization: Business Division - TCC VB To: moy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:32:06 EST Subject: Re: LILO and large HD (IBM 755c) Reply-To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <20F783E1B@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us> > Date sent: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:01:00 -0400 > From: moy > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: LILO and large HD (IBM 755c) > Copies to: moy@math.rutgers.edu > > > I have been running Linux on a Thinkpad 755C (DX2/50) and a > 540 Meg HD on for about a year. > > > I recently purchased a "large" 1.08 gig HD and have installed Linux > on in a small "boot/rescue" partition (/dev/hda2) which lies "below 500", > but I have been unable to get LILO to work. I can of course boot > from floppy. > > It is the case that /sbin/lilo installs lilo, but when I try > to boot with LILO, I get > > LI > > and then the system hangs. > > My /etc/lilo.conf file is > > ########################################################################### > # LILO configuration file > # > # Start LILO global section > boot = /dev/hda > delay = 80 > install = /boot/boot.b > > #Stanza for booting on /dev/hda2 > image = /vmlinuz > label = vmlinuz > root = /dev/hda2 > vga = normal # force sane state > read-only > append = "floppy=thinkpad" > > #Stanza for booting dos on /dev/hda1 > other = /dev/hda1 > label = dos > table = /dev/hda > > ########################################################################### > > ccording to fdisk, the HD geometry is 2362,15,60 > > Would anyone know what I need to do to get LILO to work with the > larger HD? > > Thanks in advance. > > - Allen Moy > After the "Starting LILO Global Section" line add a line with the one word "linear" (without the quotes of course). I have had this exact same problem with several large SCSI drives and the linear keyword fixes it every time. I think it is related to the idea of logical block addressing (LBA) but I won't swear to it, I founf this info in the Large IDE HOWTO if I remember correctly. Pete Peter W. Borders Network Support Technician Business Division Tidewater Community College tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 20:13:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA141514820; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:13:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09160; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:11:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:10:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08937; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:10:05 -0400 Received: from mail.trglink.com (mail.trglink.com [198.60.146.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08924; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:10:01 -0400 Received: from TRG-Message_Server by mail.trglink.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:37:28 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:34:51 -0700 From: Fred Sobotka To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Various 755CD Quirks... Hello subscribers, I have a previously owned 755CD (Pentium) supplied to me through my job, and I'm wondering if anyone has experienced quirks like these: NT 4.0 was impossible to install. It became clear to me that IBM's NT3.51 drivers wouldn't cut it. Because of an apparent inability to have the floppy and CD running simultaneously, I had to load the NT files onto the HD and run NT from the existing FAT partition. I am running Windows 95 under duress until IBM can catch up. My old Y-cable which routes a full-size keyboard and PS/2 mouse into a single mouse port is often undetected by Windows 95, resulting in a "no mouse attached" message, because I''ve also disabled the TrackPoint. Win95 usually detects the mouse through the Y if I mouse around frantically before the desktop appears. This is pretty much my biggest pet peeve for now. I installed an additional 16MB SIMM, which confused the CPU for a few startups. All I could think to do was switch the chips around a couple times. This seemed to make it work, so I didn't ask any questions. I would really appreciate it if someone could answer some of these questions: Is FaxWorks Voice the only package that allows the 755CD to be used as a speakerphone? Does an external Floppy drive exist for the TP755? Is Iomega considering a Zip drive designed to fit in the internal floppy bay? Is there a CPU upgrade available for the 755CD to take it past 75MHz? Just the typical stuff... Thanks, Fred Sobotka From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 21:46:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA154040367; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:46:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15744; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:39:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:37:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15604; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:37:12 -0400 Received: from access.cn.camriv.bc.ca (access.cn.camriv.bc.ca [206.12.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15595; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:36:59 -0400 Received: from [206.12.129.11] by access.cn.camriv.bc.ca id 96ec0.wrk; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:55:24 PDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960827013653.006943f4@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> X-Sender: Pat_Presidente@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:36:53 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: Question on 755 CDV and Win95 Cc: Nick@atlas.mis.mei.com Hi Nick; I have a CDV and have upgraded to Win 95. Be sure to put in the latest BIOS (1.41). There are also Mwave drivers for Win 95. All are available from the IBM Web site. There is also a newer IR driver. The main problem I have had is with the display. All the nice goodies for rotating the screen and higher resolution from an external monitor seem only to be available under Win 3.1x. I have talked to tech support about this with no good answers. Hope this helps Pat At 11:37 AM 8/26/96 PDT, you wrote: > >I'm concerned that if I just throw 95 on this, some of the software >tweaks that IBM put in here (the Mwave modem, at least) will throw up >on me. Any suggestions as to how to handle this? I'm out of ideas as >to how to be gentle with it.. short of trying to find out afterwards >what doesn't work, and fixing it! ===========================================================================| O _ | Pat Presidente District Technology Resource Teacher| |_-/_| | Pat_Presidente@sd72.bc.ca SD 72 445 Pinecrest Rd | | | | Ph 604-830-2353 Fx 604-830-2329 Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | ===========================================================================| "It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-John Prine | ===========================================================================| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 22:03:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA156281402; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:03:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17366; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:00:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:55:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16798; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:55:11 -0400 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16792; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:55:09 -0400 Received: from taitr.acona.com by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with SMTP id VAA09457; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:54:59 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960827020017.0074995c@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> X-Sender: rickt@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:00:17 -0500 To: Fred Sobotka From: Rick Tait Subject: Re: Various 755CD Quirks... Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu You can install straight from the CDROM. Use winnt /b and it will do a floppyless install. Works for me. :) /rickt At 04:34 PM 26-08-96 -0700, you wrote: >Hello subscribers, > >I have a previously owned 755CD (Pentium) supplied to me >through my job, and I'm wondering if anyone has experienced >quirks like these: > >NT 4.0 was impossible to install. It became clear to me that IBM's >NT3.51 drivers wouldn't cut it. Because of an apparent inability to >have the floppy and CD running simultaneously, I had to load the >NT files onto the HD and run NT from the existing FAT partition. >I am running Windows 95 under duress until IBM can catch up. > >My old Y-cable which routes a full-size keyboard and PS/2 mouse >into a single mouse port is often undetected by Windows 95, >resulting in a "no mouse attached" message, because I''ve also >disabled the TrackPoint. Win95 usually detects the mouse >through the Y if I mouse around frantically before the desktop >appears. This is pretty much my biggest pet peeve for now. > >I installed an additional 16MB SIMM, which confused the CPU for >a few startups. All I could think to do was switch the chips around >a couple times. This seemed to make it work, so I didn't ask any >questions. > >I would really appreciate it if someone could answer some of >these questions: > >Is FaxWorks Voice the only package that allows the 755CD to be >used as a speakerphone? > >Does an external Floppy drive exist for the TP755? > >Is Iomega considering a Zip drive designed to fit in the internal >floppy bay? > >Is there a CPU upgrade available for the 755CD to take it past >75MHz? > >Just the typical stuff... > >Thanks, > >Fred Sobotka > > > -- main(v,c)char**c;{for(v[c++]="Rick Tait \n)";(!!c)[* c]&&(v--||--c&& execlp(*c,*c,c[!!c]+!!c,!c));**c=!c)write(!!*c,*c,!!**c);} '65 289 2-V Fastback. Looking for a cheap Edelbrock Performer carb & I/M From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 26 23:20:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA166376007; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:20:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22774; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:16:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:12:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22381; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:12:43 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22375; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:12:40 -0400 From: Received: from [128.115.186.237] (fukatsu-mac.llnl.gov [128.115.186.237]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id UAA26719 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:12:36 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 20:15:34 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux sound, hiberate/suspend with 755CD I've been using my TP755CD with Linux for a while and I noticed that everytime I go into hibernate/suspend I seem to loose all the DSP info in the mwave chip. The only way I can get it back is to reboot. any suggestions? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 01:37:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA182944278; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:37:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01222; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:33:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:29:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00739; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:29:35 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00732; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:29:33 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-46.usc.edu [128.125.224.118]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA25129; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960827053103.006c6ddc@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:31:03 -0700 To: Larry Gushee From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Additional Memory for 701CS Cc: Think Pad At 08:11 AM 8/24/96 -0500, Larry Gushee wrote: > I'm thinking about getting 8Mb additional memory to join the 8 >with which my 701CS came. I know that I need a 3.3v SO DIMM, but zero >beyond that. Any tips on brands, providers to avoid, installation problems? >Thanks for any and all counsel. Most any decent memory has warranties, etc. If you're paranoid, stick with "ThinkPad Approved" stuff to avoid voiding your 3-year warranty. One last thing though, especially if you're running (or plan to run) Win 95--don't bother with 8 MB, just get a 16 MB module. Its still quite cheap now ($200?) and you won't regret not upgrading to a larger RAM module. I can almost guarantee that later on you'll wish you had shelled out a little more when RAM was cheap. If you're running DOS and/or Win 3.1, an 8 MB RAM Module is just fine. OS/2 or Win 95? Get the bigger one. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 01:38:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA183004285; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:38:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01217; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:33:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:29:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00774; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:29:47 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00768; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:29:45 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-46.usc.edu [128.125.224.118]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA25133; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960827053106.006c8918@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:31:06 -0700 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Upgrade HD on 755cx Cc: sakaguch@ohsu.edu, tomf@conic.lmco.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu At 09:42 AM 8/24/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >what on earth is the differences between a "touch typing" keyboard and >a "non-touch typing" keyboard? Well, for instance, my HP 100LX has a "non-touch typing" keyboard. But still a QWERTY layout! ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 01:38:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA183044291; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:38:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01234; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:29:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00751; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:29:37 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00733; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:29:33 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-46.usc.edu [128.125.224.118]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA25123; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960827053059.006c1448@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:30:59 -0700 To: jesse montrose From: Randy Whittle Subject: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 11:39 AM 8/26/96 -0700, jesse montrose wrote: >I've been wondering about these questions myself, any 560 owners want to share? >At 09:00 AM 8/23/96 -0700, Randy wrote: >> This is a request to those TP 560 Owners and those who know a lot >>about the machine: >> >> The TFT screen is 800x600, right? What's the max color depth you >>can have at that resolution? 64K colors? Okay--I got a 560 over the weekend and have been configuring it. I'll give some initial thoughts (keep in mind I've owned 3 previous notebooks, two of them ThinkPads--a 750C and a 701C that I currently still have. So this sort of compares it to the others): AVAILABILITY: The P120 w/ 810 MB HD isn't too hard to find. The P133 w/ 1.05 GB HD is impossible to find. I chose the P120 route because I figured its only about 10% slower in the CPU (not a big issue for me, especially moving up from a 486-75), the 1.05 GB still wasn't as big as I *really* wanted (while the 810 MB was still a bit bigger than I currently have in my 701, so I figured it could still suit my needs with the use of compression). Besides, I thought, I could upgrade the HD to something more appropriate later on as sizes get larger and prices get cheaper (I'd like 2 GB). More on the HD later... SCREEN: Beautiful. Real nice to have a "big" screen & higher resolution. Not so sure if 1024x768 would be worth it in the same space though--I think all the icons & stuff would just be too small, but 800x600 is very nice. Yes, it *does* to 64K colors too. Furthermore, its *very* BRIGHT! My 701C on full brightness (which looks significantly better than my 750C did) doesn't begin to compare with the 560's 12.1" TFT screen brightness--even when set only at about mid-range. On fully bright, its no contest--the 701C's screen, by comparison, looks downright *dull*. As a matter of fact, working outdoors (shaded sunlight--I'm in California, y'know!), the screen is *surprisingly* readable! I was pleasantly surprised at the readability of the 701C outdoors (of course I was comparing that to the pathetic 750C screen which was impossible to see outdoors), but the 560 is considerably better than that. Of course, to be better than the 701C you have to turn up the screen brightness, and that *can't* be good for battery life. The screen, as far as I can see (I haven't run any software that exposes these things extensively) has 1 pixel that is screwed-up, right at the very top center of the screen. Its stuck in the "on" position, eminating bright white, which IMO is worse than having a dead pixel because it sticks out like a sore thumb. It appears to me that they could quite easily extend the screen size by another 1/2" diagonal. I've noticed on my 701C that the top and left edges of the lid leave room for a larger screen to be used (though whatever circuitry is required on the edges of the screen probably prevents this--I don't know). The 560's screen hugs the top edge of the lid and leaves space near the bottom. There's also some space on the left side and even more space on the right side (enough for the "IBM ThinkPad" diagonal logo). It seems to me that screen size could be increased while maintaining the form factor. Maybe this is something they'll do in the future, especially if they want to go to 1024x768 resolution. SCREEN WEIRD ALERT: I don't know why, but upon selecting 24-bit color mode (which required me to reduce screen size to 640x480--leaving lots of blank black space around the screen), Win 95 went goofy on reboot. The screen was all screwy. I ended up having to reboot to "safe" mode and switch it back to 16-bit color (64K colors) just to see anything again. Does anyone have a clue and could perhaps tell me why it did this? It has installed on it the proper video driver...any other 560 owners that can enlighten me? BATTERY LIFE: I couldn't tell you. Sorry. This thing's been plugged in all weekend while I tried to get it configured. I will actually have to sit & use it on battery for a few cycles before I can tell you, and I haven't been able to do that. Feel free to E-mail me later for info on that. I presume it can't be any worse than the typical 2 1/2 hours most of us have been getting on our various machines. I did notice that I got a battery warning awfully early (maybe 60 to 90 minutes?) one time when I had it working while not on AC, but this could likely have been because I had it doing a lot (lots of disk activity, especially swapping, and actively receiving data via 3Com Ethernet card). I sure hope it does better than that under normal usage... It uses a Li-Ion battery. Can anyone tell me about the care & feeding of Li-Ions? Do I need to discharge them fully before recharging, or is that bad? Typical life & charging cycles? The 701 was funny in that although it uses a Ni-MH, the manual specifically counseled *against* full discharge, saying it could damage the battery, that this particular type of Ni-MH was "advanced" & didn't need that, etc. I've never had to deal with Li-Ions before & don't want to destroy these (very expensive--about 2x the cost of a similar Ni-MH!) batteries by doing something dumb. AN INTERRUPTION: Also, sorry to interrupt here, but is there a specific, dedicated mailing list for the IBM 560's or the 701's? As far as I know, this is the only "real" ThinkPad list. Sorry to Digress... SPEED: Slow as snot. My 701 seems to beat it all to hell, BUT--my 701 has 24 MB RAM, the 560 only 8 MB (I haven't gotten an additional memory module yet) and that makes that Pentium 120 just crawl under Win 95. The benchmark showed the CPU in the 560 to be much faster than the 701, so I'll wait until the RAM is brought up to par before throwing the thing out. :-) RAM: By the way, as far as memory goes, I've located what seems to be a nice source in Miami, called High Performance Cartridges (maybe I got that from someone on this list?). The contact name is Bill. What's nice is that he has an "insurance policy" at $1 per MB that allows you to upgrade your memory module: 100% credit of the new price toward a new/bigger module if exercised within 90 days, and 80% credit if exercised up to 18 Months after that. This is nice because I'd like to get a 32 MB module but just can't afford it, yet prices on the 32 MB modules are expected to come down in the next 30 to 60 days, so I'll likely go for it. Meanwhile, the additional 16 MB should make life better for me. Bill's E-mail is bill@cartridge.com. The 16 MB RAM module for the 560 is $175. Currently the 32 MB sells for $740 through him, but his supplier tells him it should come down to $580 in the next month or two. Considering I've seen people talking about $1,000 for 32 MB modules here, this seems pretty decent. (After reading some more mail, I just realized Bill is on the list here, which is probably where I got the name/address to check it out! So far Bill has been very good about dealing with me in good faith and I feel quite comfortable purchasing from him, especially because he went somewhat out of his way to make up for quoting me an incorrect price and then having to correct himself a couple days later. So far, I would have to recommend him--but rest assured that if somehow I get screwed, y'all will be the first to hear about it! I'm sure that won't happen though, right Bill?! ;-) CONTROLS: Here's where I'm *really* disappointed, as it seems IBM took a giant step backward. When I got my 701C, I was delighted to see that IBM had integrated a lot of controlling mechanisms right into the BIOS level--from power management to screen brightness to bringing up the BIOS setup screen at any time. The 560 has NONE of this. A flick of a button on my 701C and I saw my battery guage. There's something to be said about the brightness slider switch on the 560 (its nice to touch & move as opposed to FN-Button controls on the 701C) and also a little dial on the side for sound levels, but the lack of a BIOS-level battery guage was a SEVERE disappointment. Basically I have to load up software to keep tabs on the battery. That sucks, especially after being spoiled on the *great* way the 701C did it. I feel like I'm having to revert to the klunky way my 750C and my first notebook (a Sharp) did things. The 560 still has a FN+F2 combination to bring up the battery gauge, but it won't work unless you've loaded the software already. The 701C never needed any software loaded in the first place. FIT & FINISH: Upon first glance, the 560 is remarkable--thinner than you thought a notebook ever could be. At the same time though, its...well, its "Big". Its hard to get over when you've been running this tiny little 701C, but it just *seems* like th 560 is just too big. Yet its about 1/2" or more thinner and *almost* a whole 1/2 pound lighter than the 701C! (4.1 lbs for the 560 vs. 4.5 or 4.7 (?) for the 701C) Still, the 701C, because of its smaller dimensions in height & width (though not weight & thickness), just seems smaller. I guess that's just something you have to learn to get over, especially for the privelage of having that big screen. Also, the "palm rest" area takes getting used to. One thing I have to say is that it fits into my backpack better than the 701C--more like a spiral notebook would than a thick, heavy textbook. It seems like the keyboard is too far in and the combination of the Trackpoint and the buttons for the trackpoint are just too stiff for my tastes. Again, this is just personal. Overall, the 560 walks an odd balance between feeling "cheap" and feeling sleek at the same time. I felt similarly about the 701 (but no longer do), so perhaps I'll either get used to it or the symptoms will ease up as it get "broken in" a bit. As a side note, the thinness of the 560 is apparent when its on the coffee table and the base section (with the screen up) is the same thickness as my fairly-thin Sony Stereo remote. QUIRKS/ANNOYANCES: The Hard Drive is NOT--repeat NOT--removable! The bad news is that a HD upgrade/replacement is going to be like doing major surgery--I'll have to open up the machine, which would void the warranty. As it stands, I can wait--compression works fine, but eventually I want this 810 MB drive replaced with something more like 1.3 to 2 GB. The 560 warranty is only 1 year instead of the usual 3, so voiding it is not quite as big a deal as one would think--or by the time I replace the drive my year will be up anyway. I guess the only *really* good news is that whenever I *do* upgrade the hard drive, maybe--just MAYBE--I won't have to worry about some funny little HD caddy as all of us with these other TP models have had to when attempting to upgrade. The AC Adaptor is not *quite* as neat as the 701's. The 701 was great--a little cord attached to a small "brick" the size of a pack of cards and folding prongs that popped out to plug into the wall. The 560 has a similar "pack of cards" brick, but requires you to plug another cord into it, instead of popping out the folding prongs to stick into the wall. This makes for a cleaner attachment to the wall AC plug, but one more bit of stuff to carry and/or lose. Its not a huge thing, but neither is it as "neat" as the adapter included with the 701. Also, as has already been discussed on this list, there is no built-in modem for the 560. Dumb. In an age where "Internet" is such a buzzword that people look at you funny if you say, "I don't have E-mail", all machines--especially notebooks--should have a modem in them. IBM made a similar mistake in including a 14.4 rather than a 28.8K modem in the 701. On the good side, at least you don't pay to have a modem you won't ever use (i.e., I almost never used the 14.4K modem in my 701 because I preferred using a 28.8K PCMCIA modem). This move is almost as dumb as not having a removable hard drive. How tough would that have been? Also good, I suppose, is the fact that there is no tradeoff between modem speed and whether you get to have sound or not on the 560, as has been the case using the MWAVE chip on some of the other 75X and 760 models. What a way to solve it! Eliminate the modem altogether...sheesh. NEATO: One of the things I hated about the 701C is the "dongle" you had to put on just to use the parallel port. No more with the 560--parallel port, serial, & monitor out is all on the 560 already. Traveling could be as simple as bringing along the AC adapter and the floppy--period. The 701C would require that *plus* the port replicator and/or the paralell dongle too, increasing space usage & weight. Also, while the 701C had a *strange* rubber-hinged cap to cover the port used for the floppy/parallel, the 560 has a nice little hinged cover to reveal a hookup for the floppy--very nice. On the other side, it has *another* very nice hinged cover for the PCMCIA cards. An additional nice feature of that is that the buttons to release the PCMCIA cards "fold"--they stick out enough so you don't have to use a pen to push them, and then fold over--and you can close the hinged PCMCIA cover, eliminating your chance to lose it like on other TP models I've seen. One problem: The back rubberized cover for the ports--is *not* hinged or connected in any way! So accessing the parallel, serial, or monitor port might cost you a cover if you're not careful to keep track of it. Really dumb, IMO--especially after such nice touches on the other port covers. The infrared port seems to be an easy setup. The opposite was the case with my 701C (I *still* haven't been able to use the IR port under Win 95!). If only my 701C's infrared would work well, I could transfer files between these two machines very easily without hooking up cables and once the 701 is inherited by my wife, this might make things very easy/simple for us. Anyone with hints on setting up the 701's IR, please E-mail me! One last silly thought: Unlike the 701, there seems to be a clear "indentation" area on the corner of the 560 on which you can add your nameplate ID. 701 owners sort of made do with whatever spot they could find. ;-) SUMMARY/CONCLUSIONS: In the end, I'm not entirely certain IBM made the right choice in eliminating machines with the folding keyboard and going with bigger, but thinner & lighter, machines. I guess the market will tell. Meanwhile there are other Sub-Notebooks on the market like the Toshiba Portege' which will fill the void the 701 has left behind. In most features (not necessarily performance-wise), I think the 701 was a better machine though. The crucial mistake I think IBM is making with the 560 is in positioning it as a "cheaper" machine than they had done with the 701. In the first place, the warranty period being cut from 3 years (701 and all the rest of the 7XX series) to 1 year (the cheaper junk IBM makes, which apparently the 560 fits into now) doesn't give me the same vote of confidence in this machine as in the other two 7XX ThinkPads I've owned. I think they should have kept the "Kite" as a 7XX machine (name it a 705 or something, just as they did with the Butterfly being a 701) or created a new line number range for it. The 560 just conjures up images of the 500 and the 510--both pretty poor sub-notebook machines that didn't do all that well in the marketplace. When they created the 701, just labeling it with the 7XX moniker & a 3 year warranty let it be known that this was a better machine they'd stand behind. The message about the 560 isn't so clear--I'm not comforted by that. At any rate, the market seems best divided up into large, heavy, full-featured "everything" notebooks designed to be your one & only machine (e.g. the TP 760's and the Toshiba Tecras) and the smaller, lighter, less-featured sub-notebooks. It seems IBM with the 560 and a couple of others (Digital Hi-Note Ultra II, Compaq Armada) have pursued a strategy that dumps the sub-notebooks for what one might call the "Ultra-Thins"--bigger, but flatter & lighter. I'm not ready to say one sucks and the other is great. I still like my 701 immensely and like its small size, but I'm intrigued by the flatter form factor (and larger screen) of the 560. Thanks to all who recommended various machines to me. The fact is I really love the ThinkPads though--and I'm completely hooked on the TrackPoint pointer (I hate trackballs and touchpads--and nobody has made a TrackPoint copy that's as good as IBM's own incarnation). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 02:56:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA193158980; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 02:56:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05786; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 02:53:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 02:50:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05653; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 02:50:47 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05647; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 02:50:44 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA96042 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 06:50:35 GMT Message-Id: <199608270650.GAA96042@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from unknown(139.92.58.1) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaBvADFW; Tue Aug 27 06:50:18 1996 From: "Alberto Enna" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 08:50:34 +0100 Reply-To: "Alberto Enna" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: unsuscribe unsuscribe Bye by Alby/Warp 755CD CIS: 101362,1314 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 10:41:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA253116863; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:41:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18386; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:38:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:33:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17856; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:33:11 -0400 Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17849; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:33:08 -0400 From: Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA14290 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:32:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:32:36 -0400 Message-Id: <960827103235_510791830@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Question on 755 CDV and Win95 help From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 10:51:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA254627466; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:51:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19529; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:49:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:48:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19271; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:48:20 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19265; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:48:18 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA21189; Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:44:56 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:44:56 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608271444.AA21189@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: Upgrade HD on 755cx Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, sakaguch@ohsu.edu, tomf@conic.lmco.com how can something have a QWERY layout and not allow touch typing, after all it is possible to touch type even on a French Minitel terminal, not pleasabt, but possible (although of course that is AZERTY and not QWERTY). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 10:55:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA255077702; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:55:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19953; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:52:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:51:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19698; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:51:34 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19689; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:51:29 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA22131; Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:48:01 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:48:01 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608271448.AA22131@nile.gnat.com> To: jesse@spine.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu thanks Randy for your long and detailed review, one point: " AVAILABILITY: The P120 w/ 810 MB HD isn't too hard to find. The P133 w/ 1.05 GB HD is impossible to find. I chose the P120 route because I figured its only about 10% slower in the CPU (not a big issue for me, especially moving up from a 486-75), the 1.05 GB still wasn't as big as I *really* wanted (while the 810 MB was still a bit bigger than I currently have in my 701, so I figured it could still suit my needs with the use of" I wonder if this calculation is right. I have been quite surprised to find that my 133MHz Tecra is well over twice as fast as my 90MHz 760CD. The one benchmark I saw showed the 133MHz thinkpad as slightly faster than the Tecra, so let's assume that it is at least *as* fast. That means that I am seeing something other than raw MHz speed of the processor (disk and memory are comparable). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 11:15:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA258198902; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:15:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21965; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:12:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:11:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21794; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:11:30 -0400 Received: from x3.boston.juno.com (x3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21783; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:11:24 -0400 Received: (from imb@juno.com) by x3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id LAA21454; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:10:55 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 not waking up -- sometimes Message-Id: <19960827.110942.7062.0.imb@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-12 From: imb@juno.com (Ian M Beguesse) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:10:55 EDT My 701 running Windows 95 sometimes doesn't wake up from suspend mode. The power light comes on, but nothing else functions - no keyboard, no mouse. Not even Ctrl-Alt-Del. I have to cycle the power to get running again. I do have the latest BIOS. Has anyone else seen this? Or know what the problem may be? I'd appreciate any suggestions. -- Ian Beguesse imb@juno.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 11:53:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA263251225; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:53:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26034; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:51:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:49:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25575; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:49:14 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (CNRI.Reston.VA.US [132.151.1.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25563; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:49:09 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa08520; 27 Aug 96 11:41 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (Bouncing Bass Player Edition)) id LAA05943; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:40:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:40:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199608271540.LAA05943@glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> From: Ken Manheimer To: allen moy Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: LILO and large HD (IBM 755c) In-Reply-To: <199608241401.KAA21188@math.rutgers.edu> Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US X-Mailer: VM 5.96 (beta) / 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Allen Moy wrote: > I have been running Linux on a Thinkpad 755C (DX2/50) and a > 540 Meg HD on for about a year. > > > I recently purchased a "large" 1.08 gig HD and have installed Linux > on in a small "boot/rescue" partition (/dev/hda2) which lies "below 500", > but I have been unable to get LILO to work. I can of course boot > from floppy. > > It is the case that /sbin/lilo installs lilo, but when I try > to boot with LILO, I get > > LI > > and then the system hangs. One thing to try in cases like this is to add the 'linear' option to the globals section of your lilo.conf. I can't tell you why it might work - i'm not sure i understand what it does, despite the explanation in the user manual - but it may work, nonetheless. Failing this, the user manual (/usr/doc/lilo*/doc/ in some distributions, or search the net if you haven't got it around) does detail how to interpret various lilo behaviors. Eg, getting just LI is supposed to mean: The first stage boot loader was able to load the second stage boot loader, but has failed to execute it. This can either be caused by a geometry mismatch (e.g. bad disk parameters) or by moving /boot/boot.b without running the map installer. Failing both, you might want to try loadlin from a small dos partition, if you have your machine set up for both dos and linux. I've used it a few times - loadlin seems to be less touchy than lilo, though more kludgy since you're running a kernel from the dos partition... Hope this helps! Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 14:09:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA284549348; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:09:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06627; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:59:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:47:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05827; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:46:57 -0400 Received: from mail2.pilot.net (mail2.pilot.net [198.232.147.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05815; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:46:34 -0400 From: Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail2.pilot.net with SMTP id KAA21478 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 22335460; Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:49:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:49:37 -0700 Message-Id: <22335460@ima.jud.ca.gov> Subject: 701s and NiMH batteries To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part My company finally bought me two NiMH batteries for my 701C after hearing my curse my old NiCad battery one too many times. Is there any care and feeding instructions for NiMH batteries that might differ from the NiCads? IBM techies have mentioned that the batteries are not supposed to require any specialized handling, including deep discharge or trickle re-charge. I'd like to believe this, but back in grad school daze, an adjacent lab (and almost my lab) was set on fire by NiMH battery development. Thanks in advance, Mitchell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 14:30:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA288530630; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:30:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09049; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:23:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:20:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08811; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:20:47 -0400 Received: from virginia.edu (mars.itc.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08790; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:20:39 -0400 Received: from csis2.ee.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa15417; 27 Aug 96 14:20 EDT Received: (from cyj9h@localhost) by csis2.ee.Virginia.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.6) id OAA01950 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: cyc Message-Id: <199608271820.OAA01950@csis2.ee.Virginia.EDU> Subject: External CD-ROM Recommendations? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:20:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all - Does anyone here have a recommendation for an external CD-ROM for a 701? How does the performance compare for one that uses a PCMCIA interface as opposed to an EPP one? Thanks! -charles -- "Got to Revolution! Got to Revolution!" - Kyle Baker From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 14:55:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA293352117; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:55:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10930; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:44:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:43:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10790; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:43:08 -0400 Received: from seralph10.essex.ac.uk (seralph10.essex.ac.uk [155.245.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10769; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:42:59 -0400 Received: from sf104.essex.ac.uk by seralph10.essex.ac.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Feb95-1154AM) id AA11801; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:42:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:42:51 BST From: Jayan Patel Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" To: Randy Whittle Cc: jesse montrose , tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:30:59 -0700 Randy Whittle wrote: > SCREEN: > It appears to me that they could quite easily extend the screen size > by another 1/2" diagonal I heard that the final word on screens within the A4 parameter for notebooks is 13.3", so perhaps that is down the road? > SCREEN WEIRD ALERT: I don't know why, but upon selecting 24-bit > color mode (which required me to reduce screen size to 640x480--leaving lots > of blank black space around the screen), Win 95 went goofy on reboot. The > screen was all screwy. I ended up having to reboot to "safe" mode and > switch it back to 16-bit color (64K colors) just to see anything again. > Does anyone have a clue and could perhaps tell me why it did this? It has > installed on it the proper video driver...any other 560 owners that can > enlighten me? I did the same thing, playing around with the display. I didn't explore this in detail with IBM, but they suggested looking on the IBM BBS in case there was a driver there. Incidentally, when playing around with a monitor attached I had no difficulty getting various larger resolutions, but didn't try 24-bit at 640x480 - perhaps IBM didn't think anyone would want 640x480 on the laptop display? > BATTERY LIFE: > It uses a Li-Ion battery. Can anyone tell me about the care & > feeding of Li-Ions? Do I need to discharge them fully before recharging, or > is that bad? Typical life & charging cycles? In the manual, it advises to discharge and charge the battery 3-6 times before the battery will reach its maximum capacity. Don't know the whys or wherefores but as I always do everything they tell me to do in the manual... > RAM: I was idly looking on IBM's website and saw they have modified the technical specs for the 560 in that there is now a 64MB RAM module also available (URL: http://www.pc.ibm.com/thinkpad/ths6015f.html - look under Selected Options and accessories, and note 8 to the document). What's your best price, Bill? :-) > CONTROLS: Here's where I'm *really* disappointed, as it seems IBM > took a giant step backward. When I got my 701C, I was delighted to see that > IBM had integrated a lot of controlling mechanisms right into the BIOS > level--from power management to screen brightness to bringing up the BIOS > setup screen at any time. The 560 has NONE of this. A flick of a button on > my 701C and I saw my battery guage. Does anyone know how to make sure that the settings you specify in Thinkpad Features eg shutting off power to the PC Card Slot can be 'remembered' so that you don't have to reset it after a reboot? > One problem: The back rubberized cover for the ports--is *not* hinged or > connected in any way! So accessing the parallel, serial, or monitor port > might cost you a cover if you're not careful to keep track of it. Really > dumb, IMO--especially after such nice touches on the other port covers. I think that this part is one that many people break off a lot. So much so that on my previous Toshiba they had NO cover at all! Nothing to break... I personally like the rubber cover as being a good solution between having something that breaks or no cover at all. > The crucial mistake I think IBM is making with the 560 is in > positioning it as a "cheaper" machine than they had done with the 701. In > the first place, the warranty period being cut from 3 years (701 and all the > rest of the 7XX series) to 1 year (the cheaper junk IBM makes, which > apparently the 560 fits into now) doesn't give me the same vote of > confidence in this machine as in the other two 7XX ThinkPads I've owned. Yes, I hope that the 1 year warranty isn't IBM's opinion as to the 560's robustness. After all, the 365 series also only has a one year warranty and has been reportedly troubled with difficulties. Apparently the rival Compaq Armada has already had bugs in it prompting a further delay of its arrival in the marketplace. But it's interesting that the 'Big Three' (Compaq, IBM and Toshiba) now have a similar lineup of cheap, 'lightweight' and fully-featured as your three basic choices. Now, the only question is how to get IBM to produce a docking station for the 560... Jayan Patel patelj@essex.ac.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 14:59:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA293912392; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:59:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11694; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:52:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:50:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11479; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:50:25 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11441; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:50:12 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-16.usc.edu [128.125.224.88]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id LAA24591; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960827185142.006a446c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:51:42 -0700 To: Fred Sobotka From: Randy Whittle Subject: Y-Cable Attachment Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 04:34 PM 8/26/96 -0700, Fred Sobotka wrote: >My old Y-cable which routes a full-size keyboard and PS/2 mouse >into a single mouse port is often undetected by Windows 95, >resulting in a "no mouse attached" message, because I''ve also >disabled the TrackPoint. Win95 usually detects the mouse >through the Y if I mouse around frantically before the desktop >appears. This is pretty much my biggest pet peeve for now. I presume you don't have the problem if you just leave the Trackpoint enabled? Fred, perhaps you or someone else could help me out: What is the part number for this Y-Cable and where/how much can I get it for? Also, can you use any keyboard & mouse as long as they use the PS/2 style connectors? >Is FaxWorks Voice the only package that allows the 755CD to be >used as a speakerphone? I tried to use a similar program from Delrina (can't recall the name--I think its "Talk Works") on my 701 and couldn't get it to run. I didn't spend a lot of time on it, but it seems as though it just didn't recognize the 701 hardware or something. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 15:30:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA299024199; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:29:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14584; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:21:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:18:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14201; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:18:48 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14171; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:18:16 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (sole-58.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.9.250]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05837 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960827121555.0066c010@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:17:42 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the great report! At 10:30 PM 8/26/96 -0700, Randy wrote: > The screen, as far as I can see (I haven't run any software that >exposes these things extensively) has 1 pixel that is screwed-up, right at >the very top center of the screen. Its stuck in the "on" position, >eminating bright white, which IMO is worse than having a dead pixel because >it sticks out like a sore thumb. I think it used to be that most laptop companies considered up to 6 dead pixels "acceptable", is that still the case with IBM? Are you just going to live with it? I wouldn't be able to :) > AN INTERRUPTION: Also, sorry to interrupt here, but is there a >specific, dedicated mailing list for the IBM 560's or the 701's? As far as >I know, this is the only "real" ThinkPad list. Sorry to Digress... My understanding is that this list now encompasses all thinkpads, moderator? >...but the lack of a >BIOS-level battery guage was a SEVERE disappointment. Basically I have to >load up software to keep tabs on the battery. Don't you have a battery gauge on the win95 taskbar? > It seems like the keyboard is too far in and the combination of the >Trackpoint and the buttons for the trackpoint are just too stiff for my >tastes. Again, this is just personal. I wondered the same thing, but I remember my 720 and 755 feeling weird for the first few weeks also. >Overall, the 560 walks an odd >balance between feeling "cheap" and feeling sleek at the same time. I felt >similarly about the 701 (but no longer do), so perhaps I'll either get used >to it or the symptoms will ease up as it get "broken in" a bit. Now *that's* had me curious. I felt the 560 in the store and it seemed to be made of the same "cheap feeling" plastic as my wife's 355. Even my 755 feels worse than my 720 did.. I can't imagine that they're saving that much money on the material, so there must be another reason for it? >This >makes for a cleaner attachment to the wall AC plug, but one more bit of >stuff to carry and/or lose. Its not a huge thing, but neither is it as >"neat" as the adapter included with the 701. I like the neat adapters, but I've had trouble plugging in my 755's adapter many times, so I might call that a fair trade :) _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 16:12:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA006406723; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:12:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18190; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:02:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:59:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17853; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:59:38 -0400 Received: from chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17834; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:59:32 -0400 Received: (from steverod@localhost) by chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA15846; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:01:06 -0700 From: Steve Rodrigues Message-Id: <199608272001.NAA15846@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9608271448.AA22131@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Aug 27, 96 10:48:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Robert Dewar wrote: > > thanks Randy for your long and detailed review, one point: ... > > I wonder if this calculation is right. I have been quite surprised to find > that my 133MHz Tecra is well over twice as fast as my 90MHz 760CD. The > one benchmark I saw showed the 133MHz thinkpad as slightly faster than the > Tecra, so let's assume that it is at least *as* fast. > That means that I am seeing something other than raw MHz speed of the > processor (disk and memory are comparable). How do the machines compare re: L2 cache? This can cause a big speed difference. Also, the bus speed of a 133 is 33Mhz, of a 90 is only 30Mhz, so you've got a 10% difference there. What 'measurements' show the Tecra as being faster? Processor, disk, video, "overall feel"? Steve -- Steve Rodrigues | Lost, yesterday, somewhere between sunrise and Expatriate Texan | sunset, two golden hours, each set with sixty UC Berkeley, Dept. of EECS | diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for they steverod@cs.berkeley.edu | are gone forever. -- Horace Mann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 17:02:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA016129736; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:02:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23588; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:54:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:51:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23169; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:51:29 -0400 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (peckham@netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23143; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:51:12 -0400 Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA16231; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:51:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:50:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: Re: External CD-ROM Recommendations? To: cyc Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608271820.OAA01950@csis2.ee.Virginia.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I have the Panasonic KXL-D740 hooked up to my 701C through the PCMCIA card supplied with the drive. Its a 4X drive, and so far has run everything I needed just fine. I went this route as opposed to the parallel port machines because I thought it would have faster thru-put. Not sure if this is true however, since I have no parallel drive to check out. Also, this drive can run off batteries, and if you unplug the cord from the card and leave the card in all the time like me, it is pretty convient to use. Just unwrap the skinny connection cord and plug it in. I am running win95, and used this drive to install this, along with office and some other programs, plus the occasional game of C & C. Only problem I have had is that the disk spins all the time once I access it. The simple solution to this is to open the lid when I am done and then close it again. The other thing is the drive is about $380 dollars, so you might want to consider whether a 2x would do, depending on how much you use it. -Frank __________________ peckham@netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 17:21:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA019400885; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:21:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25414; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:13:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:11:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25207; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:11:05 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25197; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:11:01 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA87461 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:10:51 GMT Received: from slip129-37-211-76.wi.us.ibm.net(129.37.211.76) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma7ogDFW; Tue Aug 27 21:10:43 1996 Message-Id: <32236439.1144@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:10:17 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Wilson" Reply-To: jcwilso@ibm.net Organization: Badger Valve & Fitting X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Y-Cable Attachment References: <2.2.32.19960827185142.006a446c@scf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Whittle wrote: Fred, perhaps you or someone else could help me out: What is the part number for this Y-Cable and where/how much can I get it for? I believe the IBM part# is 54G0441. Don't know what the price is but I think it is between $10&20. Regards, -- Joseph C. Wilson jcwilso@ibm.net Milwaukee, WI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 20:47:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA068213239; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:47:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02971; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:51:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:46:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02628; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:46:38 -0400 Received: from aurora.romoidoy.com (sherred@aurora.zoom.com [208.193.64.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02616; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:46:33 -0400 Received: (from sherred@localhost) by aurora.romoidoy.com (8.6.12/Romoidoy-Non-Hub-022896) id PAA23124 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:46:43 -0700 From: Jon Sherred Message-Id: <199608272246.PAA23124@aurora.romoidoy.com> Subject: xf86config for 701c ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:46:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text A while back, someone on this list sent me a config file for xfree86 on the 701C. I didn't use it immediately and have since quit my job leaving this key file back at that account. Now that I've got Linux (slackware 3.0) installed on my 701C, I am truly ready for the config. It wasn't sent to the list so I'm guessing its not in the archive. Can I have that again ? Thanks! -- Jonathan Sherred Tools and Circuits for IC Design (408)377-4766 Campbell, CA (Silicon Valley) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 21:02:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA070414141; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:02:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10990; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:01:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:57:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10571; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:57:43 -0400 Received: from ucs.orst.edu (mosleys@UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10565; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:57:34 -0400 Received: by ucs.orst.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Mar96-1233PM) id AA11290; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:57:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mosley To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: External Modem on TP701 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The message about external CDROM drives and the C&C game every now and then reminds me of this question: has anyone out there used an external (non-pcmcia based) modem on their TP? The reason I ask is because I have a 28.8 USR sportster (or access to one) that I would like to hook up to the port replicator on my TP for times when the internal 14.4 just won't do. How do you hook up a 25 pin modem to that strange nine pin thingy on the port replicator?!!? The bolts hanging out of it get in the way, and I don't know what kind of converter or adapter exists that will let me hook it up! Is the modem port on the TP port replicator a total kludge or what!? Or, perhaps it's just me... ========== stephen mosley mosleys@ucs.orst.edu "Steadfastly fulfilling minimum performance requirements for over a fifth of a century." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 21:25:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA073835537; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:25:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12505; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:23:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:22:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12383; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:22:50 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12377; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:22:47 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA03874; Tue, 27 Aug 96 21:16:02 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 21:16:02 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608280116.AA03874@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, rjking@kodak.com Subject: Re: Hard drive passwords (final word?) Cc: L561574@oi.kodak.com, L610318@oi.kodak.com well it's good to hear that the passwords on HD's are secure, though I realize it is frustrating to lose a disk! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 21:37:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA075416231; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:37:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13174; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:33:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:32:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13032; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:32:02 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@[192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13018; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:31:37 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I8S9V1N5CW000R5K@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:31:19 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: External Modem on TP701 In-Reply-To: Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <841195879.976822.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > How do you hook up a 25 pin modem to that strange nine pin thingy on > the port replicator?!!? If it's a 9-pin D connector then this is a pretty common cable and should be in most any decent computer store - it would have a 9-pin female connector on one end and a 25-pin male on the other. Some of the more heavily constructed of these are too big at the connector ends - I've used a disc sander to zap away some of the plastic so it would fit properly (it doesn't take much either) with whatever is next to it. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 21:42:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA076496543; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:42:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13695; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:37:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:36:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13556; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:36:15 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13549; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:36:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id VAA01774; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:37:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:37:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Ian M Beguesse Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 not waking up -- sometimes In-Reply-To: <19960827.110942.7062.0.imb@juno.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Ian M Beguesse wrote: > My 701 running Windows 95 sometimes doesn't wake up from suspend mode. > The power light comes on, but nothing else functions - no keyboard, no > mouse. > Not even Ctrl-Alt-Del. I have to cycle the power to get running again. I > do have > the latest BIOS. I have this happen frequently with Win95, sometimes with Linux, rarely with DOS (although I almost never use DOS). The Fn-F4 suspend combo doesn't seem to put it back into suspend mode. My 701 is set up to suspend on lid closing when on battery power. I just pull the AC, shut the lid, wait about 15-30 seconds, open the lid again and it usually wakes up fine. Maybe this procedure bypasses a locked keyboard? -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 21:55:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA078747302; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:55:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14964; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:52:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:50:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14589; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:50:08 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14567; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:50:05 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA04290; Tue, 27 Aug 96 21:46:37 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 21:46:37 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608280146.AA04290@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, steverod@cs.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu " What 'measurements' show the Tecra as being faster? Processor, disk, video, "overall feel"? Steve" Runtime for substantial compilations, involving lots of computation, quite a bit of disk IO, but no graphic output. The bus speed difference is less than the processor difference, so that does not account for things (processor and bus speed differences are not cumulative!) Both supposedly have 256KB L2 caches The Tecra has a PCI bus From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 21:56:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA078947409; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:56:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15296; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:55:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:53:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14989; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:52:55 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14975; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:52:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id VAA01829; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:53:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701s and NiMH batteries In-Reply-To: <22335460@ima.jud.ca.gov> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov wrote: > My company finally bought me two NiMH batteries for my 701C > after hearing my curse my old NiCad battery one too many times. > > Is there any care and feeding instructions for NiMH batteries that > might differ from the NiCads? IBM techies have mentioned > that the batteries are not supposed to require any specialized > handling, including deep discharge or trickle re-charge. I'd The 701's NiMH batteries really seem to work. I've got two. One is left in the machine all the time, frequently discharged 10%-20% before recharging. It's held up just fine since January. The other sits on a shelf, used maybe once a month for trips. It sits at 100% charge (IBM's recommendation), and it's always been 99% or 100% when I plug it in, even after a month of non-use. A very pleasant change from my 750 whose batteries died within a month of frequent partial charging, and lost 2-3% of its charge every day in storage. I was told IBM recommends *against* discharging the 701's NiMHs completely. If you do this, the estimated time remaining at 100% drops by about 4 minutes. I don't know if this is real, although I suspect it is since the battery isn't suppposed to have any writeable electronics inside it. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 22:09:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA080858145; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:09:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16396; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:07:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:05:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16026; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:04:58 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16020; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:04:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id WAA01864; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:06:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Steve Rodrigues Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" In-Reply-To: <199608272001.NAA15846@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Steve Rodrigues wrote: > [ How much faster is the 133 than the 120? ] > > How do the machines compare re: L2 cache? This can cause a big speed > difference. Also, the bus speed of a 133 is 33Mhz, of a 90 is only 30Mhz, so > you've got a 10% difference there. Also, what's the speed of the system board? The memory, disk, etc. can be identical, but they'll all seem faster if the motherboard runs at a higher MHz. (They'll also draw more power but that's another story. :) -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 22:09:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA080898153; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:09:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16359; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:06:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:01:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15746; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:01:36 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15740; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:01:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id WAA01859; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:02:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: jesse montrose Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" In-Reply-To: <3.0b11.32.19960827121555.0066c010@mailhost.hooked.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, jesse montrose wrote: > At 10:30 PM 8/26/96 -0700, Randy wrote: > > >...but the lack of a > >BIOS-level battery guage was a SEVERE disappointment. Basically I have to > >load up software to keep tabs on the battery. > > Don't you have a battery gauge on the win95 taskbar? I think what Randy is getting at is that it's SO convenient and cleaner to have these functions built into the BIOS. On the 701, you can start using all these functions once you get past the BIOS initialization. You can even bring up the gauge as DOS/Win/Win95 is booting. Having to wait for Win95 to come up to check the battery status is like having to wait for your car to start and warm up before you can check how much gas you have left. The BIOS laptop gauges are also OS-independent. They'll work just fine under Linux, FreeBSD, Lynx, or any other oddball OS you throw at it. It's a great feature, and I'm surprised IBM isn't putting it on all their machines. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 22:22:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA082448961; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:22:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17455; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:21:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:19:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17221; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:19:08 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17215; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:19:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id WAA01906; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:20:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Jon Sherred Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: xf86config for 701c ? In-Reply-To: <199608272246.PAA23124@aurora.romoidoy.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Jon Sherred wrote: > A while back, someone on this list sent me a config file for xfree86 > on the 701C. I didn't use it immediately and have since quit my job > ... > It wasn't sent to the list so I'm guessing its not in the archive. Well, just to make sure it gets in the archive, here it is. I've fiddiled with it a little playing with the CT65545 alpha drivers so some of the options may not do anything. One thing you don't want to do is set Virtual much higher than 1024 768. I know lots of people like having a 1152x900 virtual desktop. That uses all your VRAM, making for very nasty flicker when you do anything like scroll or drag a window. Leave some VRAM free and things will "feel" faster. Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/sun/" EndSection Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" AutoRepeat 500 5 ServerNumLock EndSection Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" Emulate3Buttons Emulate3Timeout 50 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" Bandwidth 65 HorizSync 24-75 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies VertRefresh 30-120 # multisync Mode "640x480" DotClock 28.32 HTimings 640 680 720 864 # HTimings 640 648 920 816 VTimings 480 488 491 521 # VTimings 479 490 502 525 EndMode EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Generic SVGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Chipset "ct65545" VideoRam 1024 # Option "linear" Speedup "all" EndSection Section "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "Generic SVGA" Monitor "Generic Monitor" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "640x480" ViewPort 384 289 Virtual 1024 768 EndSubsection EndSection From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 22:27:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083339233; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:27:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17981; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:26:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:24:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17756; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:24:26 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17749; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:24:24 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (bass-9.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.73]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26821 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960827192017.006b4adc@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:24:16 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:02 PM 8/27/96 -0400, John wrote: >On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, jesse montrose wrote: >> Don't you have a battery gauge on the win95 taskbar? >The BIOS laptop gauges are also OS-independent. They'll work just >fine under Linux, FreeBSD, Lynx, or any other oddball OS you throw >at it. It's a great feature, and I'm surprised IBM isn't putting >it on all their machines. Ooohhhh.. I wasn't quite getting that, don't think my 755cs does that.. _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 23:31:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091823096; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:31:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22540; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:30:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:26:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22296; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:26:27 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22287; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:26:23 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia2-88.bridge.net [204.253.4.88]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA01572; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828032340.006adb3c@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:23:40 -0400 To: jcwilso@ibm.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Y-Cable Attachment At 04:10 PM 8/27/96 -0500, Joseph C. Wilson wrote: >Randy Whittle wrote: > >Fred, perhaps you or someone else could help me out: What is the >part number for this Y-Cable and where/how much can I get it for? > >I believe the IBM part# is 54G0441. Don't know what the price is but I >think it is between $10&20. I have used both the original IBM model and a third-party knockoff I picked up in Computer City. No notable difference. Donald Alan Whiteside "I like you. You're trouble." - Draal, who clearly shares my taste in women. "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 27 23:32:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091983170; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:32:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22845; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:31:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:29:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22466; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:29:39 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22459; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:29:36 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia2-88.bridge.net [204.253.4.88]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA01853 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828032738.006de710@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:27:38 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Y-Cable Attachment >Fred, perhaps you or someone else could help me out: What is the >part number for this Y-Cable and where/how much can I get it for? Oh, just found this at auctionweb. Bidding is closed, but apparently he didn't sell them all. Perhaps you could email him and offer a similar price. >PS/2 IBM Adapter cable - New - (item #ipu83285) > >Bidding is closed for this item. > >Bidding history page | Other auctions by this seller | Ask the seller a question > >Seller assumes all responsibility for listing this item. You should contact the seller to resolve any questions before bidding. >Currency is U.S. dollars (US$) unless otherwise noted. > >Lowest bid for this item: $2.00 >Quantity: 6 >Date auction ends: 08/27/96, 19:00:09 PDT >Date auction started: 08/24/96, 19:00:09 PDT >Seller: judsealey@worldnet.att.net (6) (registered user) >First bid at: $2.00 >Number of bids made: 2 >Current high-bidders: click here for Dutch Auction bidders >Item number: ipu83285 >Location of item: Arizona >Category: Computer Hardware - General > >Description: > > Keyboard adapter cable allows standard keyboards to work connect to PS/2 connectors. Buyer pays shipping. > Arizona residents pay sales tax. Donald Alan Whiteside "I like you. You're trouble." - Draal, who clearly shares my taste in women. "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 00:31:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA100716671; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:31:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27137; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:25:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:23:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26785; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:23:37 -0400 Received: from p3.net (root@p3.net [206.67.12.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26740; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:23:30 -0400 Received: from Mark Tunnell.p3.net (dialin27.p3.net [206.67.13.27]) by p3.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA12748 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:59:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960828042153.0067d7b8@p3.net> X-Sender: endoftunnell@p3.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:21:53 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Aaron Tunnell Subject: unsuscribe Unsuscribe me please. Thanks --------------------------------------- Aaron Tunnell endoftunnell@p3.net "A synonym is the word you use when you can't spell the other one." --------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 00:33:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA100936803; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:33:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27496; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:28:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:27:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27358; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:27:13 -0400 Received: from p3.net (root@p3.net [206.67.12.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27352; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:27:10 -0400 Received: from Mark Tunnell.p3.net (dialin27.p3.net [206.67.13.27]) by p3.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA12887 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:03:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960828042545.0068c5d4@p3.net> X-Sender: ork@p3.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:25:45 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Aaron Tunnell Subject: Suscribe I would like to suscribe to this group, thanks ork@p3.net Aaron Tunnell --------------------------------------- Aaron Tunnell endoftunnell@p3.net "A synonym is the word you use when you can't spell the other one." --------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 01:19:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA107289564; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:19:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00874; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:16:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:12:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00239; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:12:34 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00207; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:12:29 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-d-15.usc.edu [128.125.222.87]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA20489; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828051113.006aa54c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:11:13 -0700 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: jesse@spine.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu At 10:48 AM 8/27/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >thanks Randy for your long and detailed review, one point: > >" AVAILABILITY: The P120 w/ 810 MB HD isn't too hard to find. The >P133 w/ 1.05 GB HD is impossible to find. I chose the P120 route because I >figured its only about 10% slower in the CPU (not a big issue for me, >especially moving up from a 486-75), the 1.05 GB still wasn't as big as I >*really* wanted (while the 810 MB was still a bit bigger than I currently >have in my 701, so I figured it could still suit my needs with the use of" > >I wonder if this calculation is right. I have been quite surprised to find >that my 133MHz Tecra is well over twice as fast as my 90MHz 760CD. The >one benchmark I saw showed the 133MHz thinkpad as slightly faster than the >Tecra, so let's assume that it is at least *as* fast. One thing I just finished mentioning to John Kim via private mail was that upon using Norton Utils (for Win 95) benchmark, my 560 with a Pentium 120 shows to be somewhat slower than a (presumably, desktop) Pentium 90. Of course, that irks the hell out of me, but... Meanwhile, the same benchmark shows my 701, with a 486-75 MHz CPU, as a fair amount slower than a (presumably desktop) 486-33 too. I don't know if the benchmark is being unfair, or if these thinkpads are really just way too damn slow! At any rate, whatever malady slows down the 560, I'm sure its universal across CPU's in the 560 series. Hence, if the 560 with a P120 is somewhat slow, a 560 with a P133 is probably somewhat slower than it should be too. By the way, that 10% figure I gave is based only on a little math--assuming all else is equal, the difference between 120 MHz and 133 MHz is 10.833% (actually should be rounded up to about 11%). Based solely on that, I didn't figure its worth quibbling over as far as making a purchase, especially when availability is a bit more important to me. >That means that I am seeing something other than raw MHz speed of the >processor (disk and memory are comparable). Quite true. But this is why different makes of the same basic CPU benchmark at different speeds. Among notebooks, ThinkPads have historically been mediocre performers for their CPU class. Virtually never the fastest, but usually not the slowest either. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 01:19:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA107339570; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:19:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00870; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:16:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:12:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00205; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:12:30 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00178; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:12:20 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-d-15.usc.edu [128.125.222.87]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA20513; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828051122.006a6eb8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:11:22 -0700 To: Jayan Patel From: Randy Whittle Subject: TP 560 Docking Station Cc: jesse montrose , tp750@cs.utk.edu At 07:42 PM 8/27/96 BST, Jayan Patel wrote: >Now, the only question is how to get IBM to produce a docking station for the >560... Clearly, they planned ahead for it--there's that little "trap door" with a connector to it that is said in the manual to be a docking station connector. Even though they don't *make* a docking station for it, at least its comforting to know they have planned ahead for one... ;-) ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 01:19:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA107389572; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:19:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00862; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:16:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:12:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00204; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:12:30 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00177; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:12:20 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-d-15.usc.edu [128.125.222.87]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA20515; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828051124.006a917c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:11:24 -0700 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Upgrade HD on 755cx Cc: dewar@gnat.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, sakaguch@ohsu.edu, tomf@conic.lmco.com At 10:44 AM 8/27/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >how can something have a QWERY layout and not allow touch typing, after >all it is possible to touch type even on a French Minitel terminal, not >pleasabt, but possible (although of course that is AZERTY and not QWERTY). I'll submit to you that while I am indeed pretty good at scootin' my thumbs from key to key and probably can achieve speeds approaching 25 WPM on my 100LX, I can hardly call it "touch typing" when the keys are smaller than chiclets--QWERTY layout or no. Know what I mean? ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 01:19:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA107439586; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:19:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01107; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:18:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:14:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00463; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:14:50 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00443; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:14:42 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07005; Wed, 28 Aug 96 01:11:13 EDT Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 01:11:13 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608280511.AA07005@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: jesse@spine.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Randy said " One thing I just finished mentioning to John Kim via private mail was that upon using Norton Utils (for Win 95) benchmark, my 560 with a Pentium 120 shows to be somewhat slower than a (presumably, desktop) Pentium 90. Of course, that irks the hell out of me, but... " Well it may irk you, but the compromises inherent in a notebook design always exact a considerable penalty in performance. For example, the 2.5" disks are quite slow ... However, I think that the penalty at 133MHz is relatively much less. Perhaps it is the PCI bus that makes the real difference. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 01:19:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA107509599; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:19:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01170; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:19:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:16:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00743; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:15:59 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00723; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:15:53 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07019; Wed, 28 Aug 96 01:12:23 EDT Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 01:12:23 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608280512.AA07019@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: Upgrade HD on 755cx Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, sakaguch@ohsu.edu, tomf@conic.lmco.com OK, Randy, I agree that keys smaller than chicklets push the outer margin of touch typing ... But I don't think the original post was making a constrast this dramatic ... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 02:24:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA115093482; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:24:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05094; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:17:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:11:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04043; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:11:12 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04017; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:11:07 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-51.usc.edu [128.125.224.51]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id XAA27586; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828061118.006ff468@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:11:18 -0700 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: dewar@gnat.com, jesse@spine.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu At 01:11 AM 8/28/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >" One thing I just finished mentioning to John Kim via private mail >was that upon using Norton Utils (for Win 95) benchmark, my 560 with a >Pentium 120 shows to be somewhat slower than a (presumably, desktop) Pentium >90. Of course, that irks the hell out of me, but... >Well it may irk you, but the compromises inherent in a notebook design >always exact a considerable penalty in performance. For example, the >2.5" disks are quite slow ... I understand that--but to reduce a Pentium 120 to below that of a Pentium 90? That's quite a hit! I don't think my 701 (486-75) was that much slower than the 486-66 desktop I once had--actually, I generally viewed it as a bit faster (though it probably wasn't). I can quite understand the notebook P120 being slower than a Desktop P120, but it just seems awfully drastic for it to be even slower than a desktop P90. >However, I think that the penalty at 133MHz is relatively much less. >Perhaps it is the PCI bus that makes the real difference. But mine (the P120) is a PCI bus too... ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 02:24:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA115143489; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:24:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05084; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:17:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:11:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04039; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:11:12 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04016; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:11:07 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-51.usc.edu [128.125.224.51]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id XAA27602; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828061121.006d5cac@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:11:21 -0700 To: Don Whiteside From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Y-Cable Attachment Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 11:27 PM 8/27/96 -0400, Don Whiteside wrote: >Oh, just found this at auctionweb. Bidding is closed, but apparently he >didn't sell them all. Perhaps you could email him and offer a similar price. > >>PS/2 IBM Adapter cable - New - (item #ipu83285) >>Description: >> >> Keyboard adapter cable allows standard keyboards to work connect to >PS/2 connectors. Buyer pays shipping. >> Arizona residents pay sales tax. I'm not quite certain that description is exactly what I'm after Don, but I thank you profusely for taking the moment to pass it along and I've e-mailed the guy for more info & if he still has 1 or 2 to sell. Thanks! ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 02:28:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA115993699; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:28:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05098; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:17:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:10:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03964; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:10:52 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03953; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:10:48 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-51.usc.edu [128.125.224.51]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id XAA27571; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828061113.006ff2c4@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:11:13 -0700 To: Stephen Mosley From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: External Modem on TP701 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 05:57 PM 8/27/96 -0700, Stephen Mosley wrote: >The message about external CDROM drives and the C&C game every now and >then reminds me of this question: has anyone out there used an external >(non-pcmcia based) modem on their TP? The reason I ask is because I have >a 28.8 USR sportster (or access to one) that I would like to hook up to >the port replicator on my TP for times when the internal 14.4 just won't >do. How do you hook up a 25 pin modem to that strange nine pin thingy on >the port replicator?!!? The bolts hanging out of it get in the way, and I >don't know what kind of converter or adapter exists that will let me hook >it up! Is the modem port on the TP port replicator a total kludge or what!? > >Or, perhaps it's just me... Maybe! ;-) I don't understand this--the Serial port on the 701 port replicator is a standard 9-pin serial port. True, there is/was a serial port with more pins in it, but the vast majority of the time, simple adapters do the trick. But it seems to me you could just stick a standard modem cable on that modem & to your 701's port replicator & you're in business. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 02:28:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116003699; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:28:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05082; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:17:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:11:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04020; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:11:08 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03993; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:10:58 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-51.usc.edu [128.125.224.51]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id XAA27575; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828061114.006f39cc@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:11:14 -0700 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Speed Differences Cc: dewar@gnat.com, steverod@cs.berkeley.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu At 09:46 PM 8/27/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >The Tecra has a PCI bus Doesn't the 760? All of them? Some of them? If not, that surprises me. The 560 has a PCI bus & PCI bus video. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 02:28:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116063705; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:28:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05090; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:17:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:11:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03991; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:10:58 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03975; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:10:54 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-51.usc.edu [128.125.224.51]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id XAA27581; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960828061116.006f0980@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:11:16 -0700 To: "John H. Kim" From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: jesse montrose , tp750@cs.utk.edu At 10:02 PM 8/27/96 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: >On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, jesse montrose wrote: >> At 10:30 PM 8/26/96 -0700, Randy wrote: >> >> >...but the lack of a >> >BIOS-level battery guage was a SEVERE disappointment. Basically I have to >> >load up software to keep tabs on the battery. >> >> Don't you have a battery gauge on the win95 taskbar? > >I think what Randy is getting at is that it's SO convenient and >cleaner to have these functions built into the BIOS. Jesse makes a good point--one can use the battery gauge built-in to Win '95 (I forgot to mention that was a moderating factor). And it does work moderately well. But also, I've since discovered that even if you have the TP Fuel applet loaded (in Win 95), that stupid little FN+F2 combo doesn't bring it up. Very annoying... But as you go on to say, it was *really* neat to have that quick key combo pop up on the 701, looking the same old way, regardless of whether I was in Win, Win 95, or DOS (and presumably other OS's). That BIOS-Level support was wonderful. > On the 701, >you can start using all these functions once you get past the BIOS >initialization. You can even bring up the gauge as DOS/Win/Win95 >is booting. Having to wait for Win95 to come up to check the >battery status is like having to wait for your car to start and >warm up before you can check how much gas you have left. > >The BIOS laptop gauges are also OS-independent. They'll work just >fine under Linux, FreeBSD, Lynx, or any other oddball OS you throw >at it. It's a great feature, and I'm surprised IBM isn't putting >it on all their machines. >-- >John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker Agreed 100%. As I said, I thought this was the "New" way of doing things and sort of assumed other TP's after the 701 (maybe before) had this feature. I was sorely disappointed to find it lacking in the 560. A real step back after a huge step forward, IMO. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 03:42:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA126128170; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 03:42:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13762; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 03:40:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 03:37:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13306; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 03:37:08 -0400 Received: from fire.tic.ch (fire.tic.ch [193.193.144.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13253; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 03:37:02 -0400 Received: from ar.tic.ch by fire.tic.ch via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id JAA24653; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:38:24 +0200 Received: by ar.tic.ch with Microsoft Mail id <01BB94C3.E7D12E80@ar.tic.ch>; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:33:01 +-200 Message-Id: <01BB94C3.E7D12E80@ar.tic.ch> From: Andrew Richards To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Cc: "'cyc'" Subject: RE: External CD-ROM Recommendations? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:32:59 +-200 Encoding: 40 TEXT I've just bought a SCSI-2 2x CD-ROM drive from ... www.sunrem.com - I've also got a SCSI card on order from another supplier, so I haven't been able to test it yet. It cost $149 - plus $52 shipping to Europe, which I think means they're not really trying re. shipping (other companies manage about $25). Still, inside the US it seems particularly attractive. The drive is targetted at Macs (it only has a Mac disk supplied) and the US (US power supply). For a standard SCSI connector you have to connect an ungainly battery box (supplied) to the drive, but it still ranks as pretty lightweight. I like the idea of a SCSI drive (to popular PCMCIA SCSI card) because I want to be able to drive it and other SCSI devices from Linux. A parallel port attached drive may not be so flexible. cheers, Andrew Richards. ---------- From: cyc[SMTP:cyj9h@csis2.ee.virginia.edu] Sent: Dienstag, 27. August 1996 16:20 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: External CD-ROM Recommendations? Hello all - Does anyone here have a recommendation for an external CD-ROM for a 701? How does the performance compare for one that uses a PCMCIA interface as opposed to an EPP one? Thanks! -charles -- "Got to Revolution! Got to Revolution!" - Kyle Baker From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 04:39:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA132141543; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:39:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20607; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:34:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:31:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20366; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:31:07 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20360; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:30:59 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA15518; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:30:51 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA04161; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:30:49 +1000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:30:46 +1000 (EST) To: Andrew Richards Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'cyc'" Subject: RE: External CD-ROM Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <01BB94C3.E7D12E80@ar.tic.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i had an nec multispin 3xp scsi cd-rom (3x) connected via new media's bustoaster pcmcia card to my thinkpad 755ce. worked fine for the most part. the power source was a little wall mounted ac/dc converter - mine was 240v; if i wanted to use it in the u.s. i would have had to buy a 110 ac/dc adapter. wouldn't have been that expensive but i would have preferred an 'intelligent' power source. unfortunately, alas, my 3xp was stolen in a buglary and i am just getting around to replacing it. the replacement - due in tomorrow - is a nec 8xe scsi-2 multispin cd-rom (external, 8x speed), with i am told the same kind of ac/dc adapter. it is not a particularly portable unit (neither was the 3xp), but i can use it with both my 755ce and my mac, and by the time i travel next i hope to have a notebook with a built in cd-rom. the new media bustoaster pcmcia card, i understand, is one of the few that linux supports. there is no clear choice for portable cd-rom drives. the panasonics and sonys have great form factors, but who wants to pay that much for such a slow speed (these days), a proprietary pcmcia card, and a unit that will work with pc *or* mac (not both)? regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 08:40:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA163836059; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:40:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10512; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:36:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:32:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10061; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:32:49 -0400 Received: from goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10049; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:32:45 -0400 Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA20738; Wed, 28 Aug 96 08:32:35 EDT Received: (from ilh@localhost) by ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA03515; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:32:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:32:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199608281232.IAA03515@ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu> To: "John H. Kim" Cc: jesse montrose , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" In-Reply-To: your message of 27 August 1996 References: <3.0b11.32.19960827121555.0066c010@mailhost.hooked.net> From: Lee Hetherington Doesn't the 560 have the LCD battery status display like the 760s? You can check battery status without even turning it on! Lee Hetherington ilh@lcs.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 09:02:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA167507365; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:02:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12821; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:01:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:59:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12490; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:59:39 -0400 Received: from mailout00.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.148]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12474; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:59:30 -0400 Received: from mailto00.btx.dtag.de ([172.16.2.1]) by mailout00.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Wed, 28 Aug 96 14:29 MET DST Received: from slip00-32.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.3.32]) by mailto00.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Wed, 28 Aug 96 14:29 MET DST Message-Id: From: "Philipp Adelt" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 14:29:15 +0100 Reply-To: "Philipp Adelt" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Philipp Adelt's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: e-mail adress changed My e-mail adress has changed: padelt@warper.teuto.de is now INVALID. Please change it to: padelt@t-online.de Thanks! Ciao, Philipp! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 09:28:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA170638908; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:28:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15403; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:26:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:25:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15188; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:25:15 -0400 Received: from ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu (ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15169; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:25:10 -0400 Received: from dial123.Vanderbilt.Edu by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #11488) id <01I8SWNU5PW08X5HMY@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:23:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:23:44 -0500 (CDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu From: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (James Gramling) Subject: 560 performance X-Sender: gramlijf@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01I8SWNUS82Q8X5HMY@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Correct me if I am wrong, but the 560 does not have an L2 cache, which probably is the culprit in its poor performance relative to other machines in its class. Jim Gramling From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 11:08:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA186334895; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:08:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25657; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:06:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:04:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25443; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:04:35 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25437; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:04:32 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA11345; Wed, 28 Aug 96 11:01:01 EDT Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 11:01:01 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608281501.AA11345@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, tim@excelsior.com Subject: Re: Second hard drive in 760 series "Can anybody tell me if the adapter used by the 760 series for installing a second hard drive in the UltraBay will permit the use of the taller (17mm) hard drives from the 750/755 series?" Yes, I have done this, I don't know about the taller, I did not notice this, what is annoying is that there is a little metal ridge on the old drives that is not on the new ones. You have to carve out the plastic of the adapter (it's just a bit of plastic crap with a plug at one end) to accomodate this ridge, then it works fine. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 11:47:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA193027270; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:47:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23352; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:45:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:43:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23064; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:43:50 -0400 Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23053; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:43:46 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA11026 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:43:41 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199608281443.KAA11026@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Second hard drive in 760 series To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:43:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anybody tell me if the adapter used by the 760 series for installing a second hard drive in the UltraBay will permit the use of the taller (17mm) hard drives from the 750/755 series? Thanks in advance, tim -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 11:49:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA193227396; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:49:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23347; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:45:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:41:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22839; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:41:33 -0400 Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22821; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:41:23 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA10951; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:40:54 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199608281440.KAA10951@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" To: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jokim@MIT.EDU, jesse@spine.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960828061116.006f0980@scf.usc.edu> from "Randy Whittle" at Aug 27, 96 11:11:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >The BIOS laptop gauges are also OS-independent. They'll work just > >fine under Linux, FreeBSD, Lynx, or any other oddball OS you throw > >at it. It's a great feature, and I'm surprised IBM isn't putting > >it on all their machines. > > Agreed 100%. As I said, I thought this was the "New" way of doing > things and sort of assumed other TP's after the 701 (maybe before) had this > feature. I was sorely disappointed to find it lacking in the 560. A real > step back after a huge step forward, IMO. I recall reading that the 701 BIOS uses video chipset features to implement the OS-independent fuel gauge. I don't think that any other ThinkPad models uses the same video chipset as the 701, which would explain why no other units have this feature. The 760 series has the LCD status display, but presumably that wasn't provided on the 560. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 13:26:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA207743216; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:26:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09312; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:24:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:17:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08084; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:17:36 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu (supply.econ.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.12.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08078; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:17:33 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id NAA08183; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608281717.NAA20261@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS/2 driver for 3com 3c589-COMBO PC card Hi, It's been discussed here that the OS/2 driver for 3com 3c589 PC ethernet card does not check which type of tranceiver cable is connected when it reinitializes the card after hybernation. This feature is quite annoying, because you need to reboot your machine when you move an office to another using different traceiver cables. So, I left a message in 3com's web site to request the change of this feature. Surprisingly, a customer support person gave me a phone call this morning and told me that he will pass my request to an appropriate person. Well, this means nothing. If many people tell them the similar complaints, they might consider releasing a new driver for OS/2... Shinichi -- ============================================================================= Shinichi Sakata, Ph.D. The University of Michigan Internet: ssakata@umich.edu Department of Economics Phone: (313) 764-2368 / 2355 240 Lorch Hall, 1220 Fax: (313) 764-2769 611 Tappan Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 ============================================================================= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 17:41:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA250528494; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:41:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04401; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:39:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:33:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03753; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:33:30 -0400 Received: from p3.net (root@p3.net [206.67.12.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03739; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:33:26 -0400 Received: from Mark Tunnell.p3.net (nbwga37.p3.net [206.137.135.37]) by p3.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA19094 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:09:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960828213156.0068c73c@p3.net> X-Sender: endoftunnell@p3.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:31:56 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Aaron Tunnell Subject: New E-mail My e-mail address has changed from endoftunnell@p3.net to ork@p3.net. Counld you make the change. Thanks --------------------------------------- Aaron Tunnell ork@p3.net "A synonym is the word you use when you can't spell the other one." --------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 17:43:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA250718623; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:43:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04784; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:42:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:40:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04504; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:40:32 -0400 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (peckham@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04486; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:40:28 -0400 Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA13529; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:40:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:40:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Peckham Engineering Sender: Peckham Engineering Reply-To: Peckham Engineering Subject: 701 modem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Just thought I would mention that I just downloaded a new sound driver from the IBM web page, and it seems to have cured my modem. Prior to this update, I could use my shell account with no troubles, but my PPP connection would get dropped after a couple of minutes. Last night I logged on for an hour of non-stop web cruising, so it seems that at least in the case of my modem this fixed it, or at least cleared up most of the problem. The file is af701951.exe. I am using win95, don't know if the fix will work for other OS's, but I think there were up grades for them there. I got the info from the laptop newsgroup, thanks to Susheng Wang who says he got it from Jonathan Berry. Anyway, it was very useful for me, hope it helps the rest of you. Apologies to the list if this is old news. -Frank __________________ peckham@netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 20:02:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA271206919; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13952; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:00:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:56:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13698; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:56:32 -0400 Received: from ucs.orst.edu (mosleys@UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13688; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:56:25 -0400 Received: by ucs.orst.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Mar96-1233PM) id AA19390; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:56:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mosley To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Stupid thinkpad tricks. TP701 & Win 3.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can you get your TP to do tricks? If you have a TP701 with the butterfly keyboard try this: The next time your mouse pointer starts to drift, retract the keyboard and then let it pop out again and the hard drive light will come on and the pointer should stop drifting. "But ohh dear friend," you say, "I already knew that!" Yes, but did you also know that your TP takes a _screen capture_ as well?! Mine does! When ever I do the keyboard retract, the clipboard (In Windows 3.1) magically gets filled with an image of whatever is on the screen, suitable for pasting into your favorite image processing software! Either this is a strange bug on my computer, or it is some kind of feature. All I know is that I can reliably reproduce this effect numerous times. =============== Stephen Mosley mosleys@ucs.orst.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 20:26:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA274888416; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:26:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15620; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:26:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:25:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15440; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:25:10 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15434; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:25:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id UAA04952; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:26:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:26:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Randy Whittle Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960828061118.006ff468@scf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Randy Whittle wrote: > I understand that--but to reduce a Pentium 120 to below that of a > Pentium 90? That's quite a hit! I don't think my 701 (486-75) was that The reason I mentioned the motherboard speed was because with the Pentiums, Intel started doing all sorts of strange things: clock doubling, tripling, 2.5x-ing. I don't know all the clock multiples, but if you think about a clock-doubled 486/50, and a tripled 486/75, you can see how the latter will be less than 1.5 times faster than the former. In fact, I think a doubled 486/66 is faster than the tripled 486/75 for some functions. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 20:30:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA275298636; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:30:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15970; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:29:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:28:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15768; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:28:43 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net ([204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15750; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:28:40 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-138.shadow.net [204.177.71.138]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03685; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829002554.006cd228@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:25:54 -0400 To: Stephen Mosley , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Stupid thinkpad tricks. TP701 & Win 3.1 At 04:56 PM 8/28/96 -0700, Stephen Mosley wrote: >When ever I do the keyboard retract, the >clipboard (In Windows 3.1) magically gets filled with an image of >whatever is on the screen, suitable for pasting into your favorite image >processing software! > >Either this is a strange bug on my computer, or it is some kind of >feature. All I know is that I can reliably reproduce this effect numerous >times. The printscreen does that in windows versions 3.1 and up. Somehow that key must be getting pressed, or the character code is somehow put in the kb buffer. Donald Alan Whiteside "I like you. You're trouble." - Draal, who clearly shares my taste in women. "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 21:21:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA283191687; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:21:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20025; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:20:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:17:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19722; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:17:03 -0400 Received: from demeter.leftbank.com (sneaker.net [192.31.227.142]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19712; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:16:54 -0400 Received: (from kenyee@localhost) by demeter.leftbank.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-http://www.LeftBank.com/) id VAA11012; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608290116.VAA11012@demeter.leftbank.com> From: Ken Yee To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760CD heatup and crash? Just wondering if any of you have had this problem before. I left my system on overnight and plugged into the power adapter while it was doing a large download in Warp Connect. When I woke up in the morning, the system was extremely hot and everything was hung (the hard drive indicator was on, so the drive was probably spinning all night). Ctrl-alt-delete worked, but nothing was written to disk. Anyone else experience this? thanks, ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 22:43:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA299726637; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:43:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25992; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:42:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:32:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25327; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:32:42 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25321; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:32:34 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx12-42.teleport.com [206.163.122.234]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28017 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608290232.TAA28017@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" >Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:28:52 >To: Randy Whittle >From: Bryan Daum >Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" >Cc: thinkpad@cs.udk.edu > >Hey Randy, > >CDW's August/September catalog lists the 560 as a three year warranty. >Huh? I didn't call -is it a misprint? > >Bryan > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 28 23:58:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA010731092; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:58:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01528; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:56:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:53:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01134; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:53:34 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01128; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:53:32 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-g-72.usc.edu [128.125.223.216]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id UAA25484; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829035353.006aabd4@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:53:53 -0700 To: "John H. Kim" From: Randy Whittle Subject: 701 & IR Port Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu John, we were discussing the problems I was having with the Infrared port under Win 95 on the 701... I discovered today that it works fine either from DOS (using FastLynx--a Laplink-type program) or from a DOS Window under Win 95. I assume then that perhaps even Win 95 can deal with it too. The problem is that the program I'd like to use it with under Windows (LapLink 7.0 for Win 95) doesn't recognize the IR on the 701! This is odd to me, because the same software recognizes the IR just fine on the 560. But LL 7.0 for Win 95 just tells me the "port is not ready"--yet I can open up a DOS window and use FastLynx with it just like that. Thoughts on how/why? Does anyone else on the list have similar troubles with the 701 and did you overcome them? I'd *really* like to make use of the Infrared port on the 701 using this software, especially now that there are 2 notebooks in the family and it would be *very* convenient to just swap files this way, rather than hooking up to the network hub, sneakernetting it with floppies, or hooking up the parallel cable. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 00:11:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA012601908; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:11:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02508; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:09:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:08:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02346; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:08:03 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02339; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:08:00 -0400 Received: from liv-2.rust.net (liv-2.rust.net [206.42.195.102]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01048 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960829000803.366f2f26@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: 701c and Win 95 My thanks also to Randy for his detailed review of the 560. I think the 701c is a super little machine. I have been running win 3.11 and I'm happy to say EVERYTHING works. I have been entertaining the thought of switching to Win 95. The thought of spending hours getting everything to work again is frightening. I was surprised to read that Randy was unable to use his IR port under 95. I use mine with a HP 5P laser which has a built-in IR port. This combo under Win 3.11 works perfectly and is fairly snappy. I would hate to give up this no wires hook-up. I would like to hear from other 701c/Win 95 users about problems that they have been unable to fix. Perhaps through this thread unfixable problems will turn out to be useable features... B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 00:17:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA013572250; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:17:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03250; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:16:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:14:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02920; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:14:20 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02903; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:14:15 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-g-72.usc.edu [128.125.223.216]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id VAA27575; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829041437.0070cff0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:14:37 -0700 To: Lew Jansen From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 09:44 AM 8/28/96 -0400, Lew Jansen wrote: >At 11:11 PM 8/27/96 -0700, you wrote: >>But also, I've since discovered that even if you have >>the TP Fuel applet loaded (in Win 95), that stupid little FN+F2 combo >>doesn't bring it up. Very annoying... > > That'd odd -- it worked fine on my 755cx and now on my 760cd. When you >boot the system, does it come up? >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Lew Jansen > lrj@avana.net It came pre-loaded with Win 95. Maybe that's the problem? ;-) I'm wondering if the FN-key combo brings it up in Win 3.1 but not Win 95. Very strange--I was surprised that it didn't work. Wouldn't be so bad if it would just minimize into that little "tray" on the right-hand side (the built-in Win 95 "power" icon does, but it doesn't customize the functions the way the ThinkPad one does), but no--the stupid thing minimizes like a normal application into the taskbar, robbing space from other "real" apps that have been minimized. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 00:19:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA013702350; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:19:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03395; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:17:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:14:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02969; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:14:38 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02963; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:14:36 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-g-72.usc.edu [128.125.223.216]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id VAA27581; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829041444.00704748@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:14:44 -0700 To: Tim Tyhurst From: Randy Whittle Subject: 701 BIOS features Cc: jokim@mit.edu, jesse@spine.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu At 10:40 AM 8/28/96 -0400, Tim Tyhurst wrote: >> >The BIOS laptop gauges are also OS-independent. They'll work just >> >fine under Linux, FreeBSD, Lynx, or any other oddball OS you throw >> >at it. It's a great feature, and I'm surprised IBM isn't putting >> >it on all their machines. >> >> Agreed 100%. As I said, I thought this was the "New" way of doing >> things and sort of assumed other TP's after the 701 (maybe before) had this >> feature. I was sorely disappointed to find it lacking in the 560. A real >> step back after a huge step forward, IMO. > >I recall reading that the 701 BIOS uses video chipset features to implement >the OS-independent fuel gauge. I don't think that any other ThinkPad >models uses the same video chipset as the 701, which would explain why >no other units have this feature. The 760 series has the LCD status >display, but presumably that wasn't provided on the 560. >Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com No, it wasn't. Just some very basic (and kinda ugly) LED's in the corner that don't tell/show a whole lot. Just the typical lights for AC Power, Battery charging/dying, Suspend, Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, and Num Lock (and oh yeah--Hard Drive light). Nothing especially informative beyond the very basics. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 00:20:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA013812405; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:20:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03579; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:17:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:15:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03217; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:15:50 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03199; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:15:46 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-g-72.usc.edu [128.125.223.216]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id VAA27698; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829041524.0070382c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:15:24 -0700 To: Bryan Daum From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 07:26 PM 8/28/96 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >CDW's August/September catalog lists the 560 as a three year warranty. >Huh? I didn't call -is it a misprint? Undoubtedly a mistake. Right in the back "legal" pages of the manual for the 560, it says in big black ink "Warranty Period: One Year". Believe me, I wish it were otherwise. Even 2 years would be quite good (I always thought 3 years was a little overly-generous, but it does show a tremendous vote of confidence in the quality/durability of the machines on IBM's part. Of course, the ThinkPad 7XX series tends to be fairly over-priced, so undoubtedly you're paying for that warranty!). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 00:28:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA015572920; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:28:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04885; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:26:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:24:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04482; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:24:36 -0400 Received: from cosmos.psc.sc.edu (cosmos.psc.sc.edu [129.252.32.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04476; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:24:33 -0400 Received: from echo.cosm.sc.edu (echo.cosm.sc.edu [129.252.40.14]) by cosmos.psc.sc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA08154 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:24:30 GMT Received: from localhost by echo.cosm.sc.edu (8.6.12) id EAA01734; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:24:30 GMT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:24:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: What mouse fits TP's Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Sorry, don't have a manual for my TP 700 yet, IBM charges $70 for it so I am still looking for another way of getting it. In the meanwhile, I would like to know what mice fit TP's. Off course those IBM's do, but how about *Logitech's*? I can get one for about $20 which sounds pretty cheap. I realize that most of you are happy with a pointing stick but since I spend a lot of time working on SGI (they don't have it!:)) I find it rather difficult to switch to it at home. Thanks in advance. Regards, Waldemar From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 01:43:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA027097382; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:43:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08824; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:42:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:38:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08538; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:38:30 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08532; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:38:27 -0400 From: Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA94915 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 05:38:21 GMT Received: from slip166-72-214-66.ca.us.ibm.net(166.72.214.66) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaKHoDe7; Thu Aug 29 05:38:00 1996 Received: by slip166-72-214-66.ca.us.ibm.net (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0029; Wed, 28 Aug 96 22:40:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9608290540.AA0029@slip166-72-214-66.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 22:38:54 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: External Modem on TP701 X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <28_110_1_841286334> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen, I just did this today (my internal modem died yesterday) you need to disable the modem port and enable the serial port. Then you need to get a serial cable which has an RS-232 connector on the other end. Actually, these cables are not very hard to find. Goo luck, Lee //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 17:57:27 -0700 > From: "Stephen Mosley" > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: External Modem on TP701 > > The message about external CDROM drives and the C&C game every now and > then reminds me of this question: has anyone out there used an external > (non-pcmcia based) modem on their TP? The reason I ask is because I have > a 28.8 USR sportster (or access to one) that I would like to hook up to > the port replicator on my TP for times when the internal 14.4 just won't > do. How do you hook up a 25 pin modem to that strange nine pin thingy on > the port replicator?!!? The bolts hanging out of it get in the way, and I > don't know what kind of converter or adapter exists that will let me hook > it up! Is the modem port on the TP port replicator a total kludge or what!? > > Or, perhaps it's just me... > > ========== > stephen mosley > mosleys@ucs.orst.edu > "Steadfastly fulfilling minimum performance requirements for over a fifth > of a century." > ||-----------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || "Free advice is seldom cheap" || || 69th Ferengi Rule of of Acquisition || ||------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 03:03:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA037802182; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 03:03:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13521; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 03:00:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 02:57:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13206; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 02:57:21 -0400 Received: from dindin.cc.uit.no (root@dindin.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.152.44]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13199; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 02:57:15 -0400 Received: from dindin.cc.uit.no (bjoerns@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dindin.cc.uit.no (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01912 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:05:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199608271705.TAA01912@dindin.cc.uit.no> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 16MB SO-DIMMs for 701c In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:30:28 PDT." <199608211930.MAA08851@mail.calweb.com> X-Uri: http://www.cc.uit.no/~bjoerns/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:05:40 +0200 From: Bjoern Stabell Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave McDonell wrote (a long time ago): | Just to let folks know that I just bought a 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM for my 70= 1c | thinkpad from the Chip Merchant here in CA for $148. Plugged it in an= d it | works great!! This is the best price I've seen so far. Check them out. I called The Chip Merchant to order an SO-DIMM, and they told me TP701 memory was a special order item and couldn't use SO-DIMMs. Price for TP701 memory was $168. Could this right? I mean, you're using a plain 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM? (Which is still priced at $148 according to their on line price list.) Bye, --=20 Bj=F8rn Stabell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 06:31:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA062414696; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:31:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05790; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:29:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:23:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05363; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:23:57 -0400 Received: from all-purpose-gunk.near.net (all-purpose-gunk.near.net [199.94.220.184]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05355; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:23:40 -0400 Received: (from jhawk@localhost) by all-purpose-gunk.near.net (8.8.Alpha.9/8.8.Alpha.9) id GAA26407; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608291023.GAA26407@all-purpose-gunk.near.net> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: XFree86 3.1.2F is out From: John Hawkinson For those folks using XFree86 3.1.2E (which is about to expire), XFree86 3.1.2F is now out for NetBSD, Linux/elf, FreeBSD, and ISC binaries are available. On my TP760E (trident tgui9320lcd) it is necssary to add Option "tgui_pci_write_off" to the Device section of the XF86Config. 3.1.2F is a distinct improvement over 3.1.2E for me in that with the above option,the SVGA server works just fine in 800x600 mode. Please see http://www.xfree86.org/beta.html for more info on 3.1.2F, attached is the list of mirror sites (not all of them necessarily have beta releases). --jhawk North America: xfree86.cdrom.com:/pub/XFree86 (source and binaries) ftp.rge.com:/pub/X/XFree86 (source and binaries) ftp.iastate.edu:/pub/XFree86/XFree86-3.1.2 (source and NetBSD binaries) (Also via AFS: /afs/iastate.edu/public/ftp/pub/XFree86/...) tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/packages/X11 (source and Linux binaries) ref.tfs.com:/pub/mirrors/XFree86 (source diffs and FreeBSD binaries) ftp.eecs.umich.edu:/BSD/XFree86 (source and binaries) Europe: fvkma.tu-graz.ac.at:/pub/XFree86 (source and binaries) ftp.fee.vutbr.cz:/pub/XFree86/3.1.2 (source diffs and binaries) ftp.gwdg.de:/pub/xfree86/XFree86/3.1.2 (source and binaries) ftp.uni-erlangen.de:/pub/Linux/MIRROR.xfree86/3.1.2 (source diffs and Linux binaries) ftp.uni-stuttgart.de:/pub/X11/Xfree86 (source and binaries) ftp.funet.fi:/pub/X11/XFree86 (source and binaries) ftp.calvacom.fr:/pub/unix/X/XFree86 (source and binaries) ftp.ibp.fr:/pub/X11/XFree86 (source and binaries) ftp.laas.fr:/pub/NetBSD/XFree86-3.1.2 (NetBSD binaries only) ftp.pvv.unit.no:/pub/XFree86/current (source and binaries) Asia/Australia: x.physics.su.oz.au:/pub/XFree86 (source and binaries) ftp.iij.ad.jp:/pub/X/XFree86/3.1.2 (source and binaries) ftp.sf.co.kr:/pub/XFree86/3.1.2 (source and binaries) ftp.nectec.or.th:/pub/mirrors/XFree86 (source diffs and binaries) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 09:17:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA081564633; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:17:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15870; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:15:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:10:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15432; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:10:26 -0400 Received: from sabine.acs.psu.edu (sabine.acs.psu.edu [146.186.165.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15420; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:10:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199608291310.JAA15420@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by sabine.acs.psu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25303; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:10:19 -0400 From: Brian Katz Subject: NiMH Battery To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:10:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the usage time for a 70C using a NiMH battery, long life? -- Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 10:16:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA089108185; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22018; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:14:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:10:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21176; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:10:13 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net (park.interport.net [199.184.165.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21132; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:10:06 -0400 Received: from interport.net (alster@madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12839; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04853; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:09:52 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster To: John Hawkinson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XFree86 3.1.2F is out In-Reply-To: <199608291023.GAA26407@all-purpose-gunk.near.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, John Hawkinson wrote: > For those folks using XFree86 3.1.2E (which is about to expire), > XFree86 3.1.2F is now out for NetBSD, Linux/elf, FreeBSD, and ISC > binaries are available. > > On my TP760E (trident tgui9320lcd) it is necssary to add > > Option "tgui_pci_write_off" > > to the Device section of the XF86Config. Too cool dude ...it works! thanks a lot!! > 3.1.2F is a distinct improvement over 3.1.2E for me in that with the > above option,the SVGA server works just fine in 800x600 mode. > > Please see http://www.xfree86.org/beta.html for more info on > 3.1.2F, attached is the list of mirror sites (not all of them necessarily > have beta releases). --- alster@interport.net allen@metaverse.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 10:17:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA089228221; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:17:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22026; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:14:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:11:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21420; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:11:28 -0400 Received: from onyx.southwind.net (abcjr@onyx.southwind.net [204.95.83.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21414; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:11:22 -0400 Received: (from abcjr@localhost) by onyx.southwind.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21425; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:08:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:08:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Arnold B. Cavazos, Jr." To: Brian Katz Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: NiMH Battery In-Reply-To: <199608291310.JAA15420@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a 701cs with 75MHz processor and 8MB of ram. Mine lasts right around 2 hours and fortyfive minutes. I hope this helps. ---------------------------------------------------------- Arnold Cavazos, Jr. abcjr@southwind.net SouthWind Internet Access, Inc. ____ ___ ____ ___ ____ Technical Support |__| |__] | | |__/ support@southwind.net | | |__] |___ __| | \ On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Brian Katz wrote: > What is the usage time for a 70C using a NiMH battery, long life? > -- > Acoustics Department ................................. katz@sabine.acs.psu.edu > Penn State University ..................... http://www.acs.psu.edu/users/katz/ > State College, PA 16802 ................................. (814)863-9832 Office > USA ..................................................... (814)865-3119 Fax > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 10:30:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091119014; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:30:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24208; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:26:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22547; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:31 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22506; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:22 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-34.usc.edu [128.125.224.34]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id HAA20440; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829141635.006a7bc8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:35 -0700 To: Bill Bryan From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 701c and Win 95 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 12:07 AM 8/29/96 -0400, Bill Bryan wrote: >My thanks also to Randy for his detailed review of the 560. I think the >701c is a super little machine. I have been running win 3.11 and I'm happy >to say EVERYTHING works. I have been entertaining the thought of switching >to Win 95. The thought of spending hours getting everything to work again >is frightening. I was surprised to read that Randy was unable to use his IR >port under 95. I use mine with a HP 5P laser which has a built-in IR port. >This combo under Win 3.11 works perfectly and is fairly snappy. I would >hate to give up this no wires hook-up. I would like to hear from other >701c/Win 95 users about problems that they have been unable to fix. Perhaps >through this thread unfixable problems will turn out to be useable features... No doubt, by now you've looked over my post on the "701 & IR" and seen that it does indeed work in DOS or a DOS Window under Win 95 with no problem at all. For that matter, I vaguely remember using it with Procom Plus & my HP 100LX some months ago and it worked OK (but slowly--so I used a cable & things went quicker). My main issue appears to be LapLink for Win 95, I suppose. By the way, if you do plan to make the jump to Win 95 from Win 3.x--don't worry about it. First of all, you can install in a seperate directory (to preserve your Win 3.11 setup) so you need not "destroy" your old windows and you can boot to your previous version of DOS & run Windows 3.11 quite easily (just push the F8 key when it says "Windows 95 loading"). Secod Secondly, Win 95 has 701-native drivers. It runs on the 701 like it was made specifically to run on it (with the possible exception of the IR port--but as I said, that's likely a LapLink software problem--Win 95 lists the port just fine and says everything is working fine with no conflicts!). Plug & Play & all that jazz. As a matter of fact, the 701 was my "trainer" machine for loading up, trying, & evaluating Win 95. After having been burned (IMO) trying new OS's so early (I never did get along with OS/2, though I desperately wanted to...tried every version from 1.3 through 2.1 and never was happy with the results. By the time 3.0 came out, I gave up and decided it wasn't worth it), I was in NO hurry at all to move to Win 95. I figured everyone else could do all that late beta testing & I'd upgrade a year later. I've been very surprised. I didn't have it on my 701 for long before I took the plunge & put it on my Desktop too. Its remarkably stable & decent, especially in comparison to previous Windows incarnations. It even gets a fair amount of use by my die-hard OS/2-cult-leader brother (some of you "Team OS/2" followers from way back may remember the name David Whittle), who reluctantly admits that Win 95 is "Pretty Good". Should you decide to "take the plunge", I don't think you'll regret it too much. As I said, if it makes you more comfortable, just install in its own directory and keep the old Windows on there too (I kept Win 3.1 on my 701C for months--took it off only a couple weeks ago when I realized I hadn't used it since that first week or so of having Win 95 on the machine and I was never going to use it--Win 3.1--again! But you know--you always want it there "just in case". Back it up to your Zip drive or something (seems like everyone has a Zip these days)). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 10:30:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091179025; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:30:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24196; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:25:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22539; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:28 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22486; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:17 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-34.usc.edu [128.125.224.34]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id HAA20426; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829141630.006a2cf0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:30 -0700 To: Lee Hetherington From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: "John H. Kim" , jesse montrose , tp750@cs.utk.edu At 08:32 AM 8/28/96 -0400, Lee Hetherington wrote: >Doesn't the 560 have the LCD battery status display like the 760s? You >can check battery status without even turning it on! > > Lee Hetherington There is no LCD display on the 560 (as there is on the 760's). Very little info is displayed in/on the computer itself (just the basic set of LED's which do little more than tell you the machine is turned on). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 10:30:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091219029; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:30:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24146; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:25:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22480; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:16 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22468; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:12 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-34.usc.edu [128.125.224.34]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id HAA20435; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829141634.006a39ac@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:34 -0700 To: Stephen Mosley From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Stupid thinkpad tricks. TP701 & Win 3.1 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 04:56 PM 8/28/96 -0700, Stephen Mosley wrote: >Can you get your TP to do tricks? If you have a TP701 with the butterfly >keyboard try this: > Yes, but did you also know that your TP takes a _screen >capture_ as well?! Mine does! When ever I do the keyboard retract, the >clipboard (In Windows 3.1) magically gets filled with an image of >whatever is on the screen, suitable for pasting into your favorite image >processing software! I'm not working from my 701 right now, so I can't confirm that it does this on mine, but... Are you aware that the "Print Screen" key is set up in Windows (any version--not sure about NT) to copy the contents of the screen to the clipboard? Also, I think if you hold Control or Shift while you do the Print Screen key, it copies only the active window). At any rate, when your keyboard folds, I'm guessing somehow that Print Screen key (which folds under the plastic) is either getting pushed or bumped, or perhaps a contact underneath activates it. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 10:30:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091299046; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:30:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24184; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:25:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22515; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:24 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22500; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:20 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-34.usc.edu [128.125.224.34]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id HAA20433; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829141632.006ad76c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:32 -0700 To: Peckham Engineering From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 701 modem Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 02:40 PM 8/28/96 -0700, Peckham Engineering wrote: >Just thought I would mention that I just downloaded a new >sound driver from the IBM web page, and it seems to have cured >my modem. Prior to this update, I could use my shell account >with no troubles, but my PPP connection would get dropped after >a couple of minutes. > >Last night I logged on for an hour of non-stop web cruising, so it >The file is af701951.exe. I am using win95, don't know if the fix will work So I presume this fix is specifically for Win 95? I don't suppose you can give an exact Web URL address for the page to get this from? (Rather than searching throughout the IBM Site, though I suppose their search engine would find it quickly & easily). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 10:31:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091399066; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:31:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24349; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:27:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:17:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22762; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:17:42 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22741; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:17:37 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-34.usc.edu [128.125.224.34]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id HAA20431; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829141631.006a761c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:31 -0700 To: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (James Gramling) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 560 performance Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 08:23 AM 8/28/96 -0500, James Gramling wrote: >Correct me if I am wrong, but the 560 does not have an L2 cache, which >probably is the culprit in its poor performance relative to other machines >in its class. > >Jim Gramling You're correct. No Level 2 cache. Certainly seems to make a difference. Why is it, I wonder, that caches are skimped on so regularly in Notebooks? My 701 has a 16 KB cache. Even a *small* cache is better than none! (I realize the Pentium has an on-chip cache.) ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 10:32:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091519168; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:32:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24144; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:25:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22454; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:08 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22447; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:16:04 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-34.usc.edu [128.125.224.34]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id HAA20402 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960829141622.006a2cf8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:22 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: 560 Fuel Gauge & FN Key Combo Okay, I stand semi-corrected... If the Fuel software is loaded, but minimized in the toolbar (Win 95), the FN+F2 Key Combo doesn't work (doesn't bring up the Fuel software). However, if the software is loaded & running in its own little window (NOT minimized in the toolbar), the key combo works to bring it right up. So it works (sort of), but IMO its still "broken". I don't necessarily want the Fuel software running in an open window, jockeying for space on the screen, just so I can use FN+F2 to check the time I have left. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 10:50:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA093880217; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:50:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26961; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:47:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:46:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26757; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:46:06 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26750; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:46:03 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA24613; Thu, 29 Aug 96 10:41:56 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 10:41:56 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608291441.AA24613@nile.gnat.com> To: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: 560 performance Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Randy said " Why is it, I wonder, that caches are skimped on so regularly in Notebooks? My 701 has a 16 KB cache. Even a *small* cache is better than none!" Are you sure this 16KB is not the primary *on-chip* cache. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 11:52:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA102783947; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:52:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03280; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:50:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:47:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02842; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:47:21 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (cummings@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02835; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:47:18 -0400 Received: (from cummings@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA12065; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:42:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings X-Sender: cummings@netcom17 To: Bjoern Stabell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 16MB SO-DIMMs for 701c In-Reply-To: <199608271705.TAA01912@dindin.cc.uit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Bjoern Stabell wrote: > Dave McDonell wrote (a long time ago): > | Just to let folks know that I just bought a 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM for my 701c > | thinkpad from the Chip Merchant here in CA for $148. Plugged it in and it > | works great!! This is the best price I've seen so far. Check them out. > > I called The Chip Merchant to order an SO-DIMM, and they told me > TP701 memory was a special order item and couldn't use SO-DIMMs. > Price for TP701 memory was $168. Could this right? I mean, you're > using a plain 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM? (Which is still priced at $148 > according to their on line price list.) > Well I can tell you that I ordered one from them at 148.00 and installed it into my 701c and it works like a champ. But... YMMV.. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Cummings at home, feet up in | Pyramid OSx MIS-12 Columbia, MD. Internet cummings@netcom.com | Systems Admin. Washington DC. "A radio wasteland"... |---------------------------- I Want My W G T B Back!!! |My other op-system is Linux! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He will live on in our hearts, Jerry Garcia. 1942 - 1995. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 11:56:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA103284197; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:56:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03779; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:54:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:53:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03470; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:53:06 -0400 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com (peckham@netcom20.netcom.com [192.100.81.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03463; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:53:01 -0400 Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA22180; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:52:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: ibm URL To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The url to get the sound upgrade for the 701 is http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tps/dskt3.html#af701 they have updates for other operating systems as well. -Frank __________________ peckham@netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 13:22:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA117079331; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:22:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11129; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:18:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:14:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10649; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:14:08 -0400 Received: from siva (siva.captech.com [207.33.153.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10643; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:14:04 -0400 Received: by siva (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10802; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:12:00 -0700 From: kensey@siva.captech.com (Kensey Corp.) Message-Id: <199608291712.KAA10802@siva> Subject: Suspend Mode To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:12:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all ! i've got a 755cx with win95 loaded. only problem is that when it pops into suspend mode, i cant get out of it. i hit some keys to activate it, and it comes out, but then just goes back in again. strange. so the only course of action i have is to power off the thinkpad as it is attempting to exit suspend mode (if i try and power off when it is ~in~ suspend mode, i get a double beep and nothing happens - a feature ?) anyone else experience this ? TIA ! doug From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 13:46:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA121670815; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:46:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13171; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:42:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:39:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12794; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:39:47 -0400 Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12786; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:39:44 -0400 Received: (from whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA12982; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:39:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:39:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Once again: ThinkPad 750 Hard Drives In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's FINALLY time for me to upgrade my good old ThinkPad 750P. I want a 16MB RAM upgrade and a 800MB(or so) hard drive. Best prices I've found so far are: (from Computer Shopper) 16MB RAM $220.00 from Midwest Memory Works Toshiba 814MB Hard disk $239 from Drive Outlet Center I've searched for 750-type web pages to no avail. How do I get the Toshiba drive to work in my machine? Which model number should I get and what do the model codes indicate? Much thanks in advance, Chris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 15:02:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA136025324; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:02:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19657; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:58:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:57:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19497; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:57:20 -0400 Received: from brickell.bridge.net (root@brickell.bridge.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19489; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:57:15 -0400 Received: from newworld.bridge.net (newworld.bridge.net [204.253.4.4]) by brickell.bridge.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01725; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:43:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:40:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald Whitestone To: Randy Whittle Cc: James Gramling , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 performance In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960829141631.006a761c@scf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Randy Whittle wrote: > Why is it, I wonder, that caches are skimped on so regularly in > Notebooks? My 701 has a 16 KB cache. Even a *small* cache is better than none! And, in fact, a small cache is usually as good as a big one. The jump in hit rates is usually pretty slender when you move to a larger cache. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 15:03:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA136105394; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:03:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19659; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:58:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:55:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19315; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:55:25 -0400 Received: from SLONUNX01.3-SOFT.com (root@SLONUNX01.3-SOFT.COM [205.236.174.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19302; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:55:21 -0400 Received: from smtp.3-SOFT.com (smtp.3-SOFT.com [205.236.174.119]) by SLONUNX01.3-SOFT.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA02228 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:55:10 -0400 Received: by smtp.3-SOFT.com with Microsoft Mail id <3225FCCB@smtp.3-SOFT.com>; Thu, 29 Aug 96 13:25:47 PDT From: Jorge Mariano To: thinkpad Subject: Price for HD 2.1G or more for TP 760ED as first drive ? Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 15:02:00 PDT Message-Id: <3225FCCB@smtp.3-SOFT.com> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hi everyone ! I'm in the market looking for a new HD of 2.1G or more for my brand new TP760ED. Does anyone know of a good place that sale them cheap ? Or what are the prices for these types of hd's ? Also has anyone give them a try , and what are your pro/cons so far ? Thanks Jorge Mariano Certified LAN Server Expert, Certified LAN Server Administrator, BESTeam Professional Member LAN Server Software Specialist, Warp Server Software Specialist SystemView for OS/2 Software Specialist Membre de / Member of : Equipe OS/2 - Team OS/2 Les Utilisateurs d'OS/2 de - Montreal - OS/2 Users Group From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 15:41:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA154377663; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:41:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23579; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:37:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:35:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23268; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:35:17 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23208; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:35:01 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:34:50 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: Re: 560 performance To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:34:50 +0200 (MES) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Randy Whittle wrote: > > > Why is it, I wonder, that caches are skimped on so regularly in > > Notebooks? My 701 has a 16 KB cache. Even a *small* cache is better than none! > > And, in fact, a small cache is usually as good as a big one. The jump in > hit rates is usually pretty slender when you move to a larger cache. > > Yes, but (as one of the previous mails suggested by means of asking): the 16KB cache of the 701 is PRIMARY cache. It's not a feature of the 701 but of the i486/4. From what I understand, performancewise it is quite pointless discussing the difference between 256KB and 512KB second level cache unless you know a few more details about the machine using the cache. Of course, this is not to say that there isn't a difference between no secondary cache and 256KB secondary cache... The reason why there are quite a lot of 586 notebooks not having a secondary cache is quite simple: you got to power the cache. And, unfortunately, the battery packs, at least most of them, are not quite what they are supposed to be... Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 16:10:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA199699456; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:10:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26431; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:08:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:05:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26177; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:05:43 -0400 Received: from golden.net (root@golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26163; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:05:39 -0400 Received: from ThinkPad (swo-58.golden.org [199.166.210.58]) by golden.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA28104 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:05:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:05:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199608292005.QAA28104@golden.net> X-Sender: bivanovi@pop.golden.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Boris Subject: Re: 16MB SO-DIMMs for 701c >> | Just to let folks know that I just bought a 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM for my 701c >> | thinkpad from the Chip Merchant here in CA for $148. Plugged it in and it >> | works great!! This is the best price I've seen so far. Check them out. >> >> I called The Chip Merchant to order an SO-DIMM, and they told me >> TP701 memory was a special order item and couldn't use SO-DIMMs. >> Price for TP701 memory was $168. Could this right? I mean, you're >> using a plain 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM? (Which is still priced at $148 >> according to their on line price list.) I called the chip mercahnt and got the same story about the special order. I gave up and then someone suggested CanRAM (1-888-4-CANRAM) in Canada. (which is where I am) I got my 16 MB in less than 24h by Purolator, and it cost me $185 Canadian, which is ~$125 US. The box said 701 16MB EDO RAM... would EDO make a difference on a 701? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 19:34:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA254411652; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:34:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14417; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:32:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:25:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13627; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:25:37 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13609; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:25:33 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA04311; Thu, 29 Aug 96 19:21:50 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 19:21:50 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608292321.AA04311@nile.gnat.com> To: dwhite@bridge.net, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: 560 performance Cc: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "And, in fact, a small cache is usually as good as a big one. The jump in hit rates is usually pretty slender when you move to a larger cache." That's not true at all. It it were true, then secondary caches would make no difference, since of course there is a primary cache present on chip for all these machines. Yet, we know that the presence of a secondary cache is critical for performance. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 29 23:07:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA283634419; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:06:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29264; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:05:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:57:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28611; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:57:24 -0400 Received: from p3.net (root@p3.net [206.67.12.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28599; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:57:21 -0400 Received: from Mark Tunnell.p3.net (nbwga15.p3.net [206.137.135.15]) by p3.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA16521 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:33:00 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960830025544.00686e78@p3.net> X-Sender: ork@p3.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:55:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Aaron Tunnell Subject: Subscribe I would like to resubscribe using my new address ork@p3.net, and remove me from endoftunnell@p3.net. Thanks! --------------------------------------- Aaron Tunnell ork@p3.net "A synonym is the word you use when you can't spell the other one." --------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 01:46:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA012554017; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:46:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09785; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:45:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:43:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09607; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:43:19 -0400 Received: from mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09594; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:43:15 -0400 Received: from goldeneye- ([165.238.133.189]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA19092; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 05:42:23 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dan Miles" To: Randy Whittle Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:43:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 701 modem Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <19960830054221.AAA19092@goldeneye-> Randy Whittle wrote: > At 02:40 PM 8/28/96 -0700, Peckham Engineering wrote: > >Just thought I would mention that I just downloaded a new > >sound driver from the IBM web page, and it seems to have cured > >my modem. > > >The file is af701951.exe. I am using win95, don't know if the fix will work > >for other OS's, but I think there were up grades for them there. > > You mention it right in your note, but for some reason it escaped me > until I went to the web page--this file is supposed to fix up your AUDIO! > > Weird that this fixed your modem... Actually, the same DSP based hardware takes care of both sound and telephony in the 701. Dan Miles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 03:24:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA029339888; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:24:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08591; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:24:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:20:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08042; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:20:26 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08019; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:20:24 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-j-49.usc.edu [128.125.224.193]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA11044; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960830052038.00702ca0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:20:38 -0700 To: Brian Katz From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: NiMH Battery Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) At 09:10 AM 8/29/96 -0400, Brian Katz wrote: >What is the usage time for a 70C using a NiMH battery, long life? Assuming you mean "701C" here, I got about 2 1/2 hours with regular usage (and very little variation on that time), assuming no timing-out and suspension in-between. Of course, that's with the usual power-saving features on and the brightness down at a fair minimum. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 03:26:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA029490017; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:26:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08595; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:24:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:22:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08255; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:22:00 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08244; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:21:57 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-j-49.usc.edu [128.125.224.193]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA11081; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960830052047.00727a30@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:20:47 -0700 To: Peckham Engineering From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 701 modem Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 02:40 PM 8/28/96 -0700, Peckham Engineering wrote: >Just thought I would mention that I just downloaded a new >sound driver from the IBM web page, and it seems to have cured >my modem. >The file is af701951.exe. I am using win95, don't know if the fix will work >for other OS's, but I think there were up grades for them there. You mention it right in your note, but for some reason it escaped me until I went to the web page--this file is supposed to fix up your AUDIO! Weird that this fixed your modem... ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 03:29:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA029850186; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:29:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08599; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:24:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:20:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08018; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:20:19 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07994; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:20:08 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-j-49.usc.edu [128.125.224.193]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA11024; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960830052032.007102c0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:20:32 -0700 To: Lew Jansen From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Thoughts on the 560 "Kite" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 09:40 AM 8/29/96 -0400, Lew Jansen wrote: > I have a shortcut to the fuelwin program in my Win95 Startup folder, and >it shows up on boot. If I hit Fn+F2 with it selected, it goes away 'til the >next Fn+F2. (Of course, if I hit the "X" button to quit the program Fn+F2 >no longer does anything, the fuelwin program must be loaded & running for it >to capture the key sequence; Fn+F2 won't start fuelwin if it's not running) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Lew Jansen THANK YOU LEW!!!! It somehow just never occurred to me that the Fuel Win program could be made to "disappear" and "reappear" with the FN+F2 combo, without it taking up space in the taskbar, etc! But I tried it, and it works great with my 560. You've done a great deal to making this machine just a *little* nicer for me! ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 03:36:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA031010598; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:36:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17029; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:34:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:29:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16548; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:29:23 -0400 Received: from sisyphus.cs.kun.nl (sisyphus.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16513; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:29:18 -0400 Received: from atlas by sisyphus.cs.kun.nl via atlas.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.42] with SMTP id JAA10318 (8.6.10/2.1); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:28:16 +0200 Sender: mauricek@cs.kun.nl Message-Id: <3226980F.41C67EA6@cs.kun.nl> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:28:15 +0200 From: Maurice klein Gebbinck Organization: University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Bjoern Stabell Subject: Re: 16MB SO-DIMMs for 701c References: <199608271705.TAA01912@dindin.cc.uit.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bjoern Stabell wrote: > > Dave McDonell wrote (a long time ago): > | Just to let folks know that I just bought a 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM for my 701c > | thinkpad from the Chip Merchant here in CA for $148. Plugged it in and it > | works great!! This is the best price I've seen so far. Check them out. > > I called The Chip Merchant to order an SO-DIMM, and they told me > TP701 memory was a special order item and couldn't use SO-DIMMs. > Price for TP701 memory was $168. Could this right? I mean, you're > using a plain 16MB 3.3v SO-DIMM? (Which is still priced at $148 > according to their on line price list.) They have said the same thing to me. Maybe it has something to do with the lack of knowledge on their international sales department? Could anyone clarify this, is a SO-DIMM memory expansion an industry standard (and thus will fit a TP701C) or not? Still doubting whether or not to order the standard SO-DIMM, Maurice -- Maurice klein Gebbinck University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute Toernooiveld 1, 6525 ED Nijmegen, The Netherlands Phone +31 24 3652710, Fax +31 24 3553450 http://www.cs.kun.nl/~mauricek From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 10:04:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA074843866; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:04:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28190; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:57:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:51:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27616; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:51:52 -0400 Received: from bnr.ca (x400gate.bnr.ca [192.58.194.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27608; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:51:47 -0400 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:50:53 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:49:09 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:48:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:48:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=1073097/g=daniel/i=ds/s=hammett/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars520.b.991:30.07.96.13.49.09] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: TP750 Strange... From: "daniel (d.s.) hammett" Sender: "daniel (d.s.) hammett" Message-Id: <"6945 Fri Aug 30 09:49:19 1996"@bnr.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP750 Strangeness Hi Folks, Ever since trying a new VESA driver for my TP750 (one that I found on the WD Web page - it's no good, don't try it!), the machine has been acting a little strangely and I wondered if any of you might be able ot help: 1. First of all, even though I turn the TP off using the little switch on the side, I also turn it off at the mains afterwards. Now when I turn the mains back on, the TP leaps into life. This never used to happen. 2. I have on of those parallel port CD-ROMs which I was getting a good transfer rate from ( >550kbyte/s ). Now I struggle to reach 150kbyte/s. I have checked that LPT2 is selected using the PS2 utility and the BIOS setup programme. I am wondering whether the CD used to bench mark the drive is critical? 3. The machine certainly feels alot slower than before particularly when loading Windows ( no funny comments, please). I am preparing to reload the system programme tonight in the hope that cures the first two anomalies. I would appreciate any other suggestions if there are any. Thanks in advance, Dan. *---------------------------------------------------------------* | Dan Hammett - TN16x Customer Support Engineer | *---------------------------------------------------------------* | NITEC, NORTEL Technology, | | | Doagh Road, | Tel: +44 (0) 1232 363525 | | Newtownabbey | ESN: 6 751 3525 | | Co. Antrim, BT36 6XA | Email: dhammett@nortel.ca | | Northern Ireland | | *---------------------------------------------------------------* | Opinions expressed in this email are mine, not my employer's | *---------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 11:05:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083907519; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:05:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03881; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:57:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:54:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03571; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:54:00 -0400 Received: from ife.ee.ethz.ch (ife-ife1.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.25.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03552; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:53:49 -0400 Received: from strauss.ee.ethz.ch (strauss.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.25.143]) by ife.ee.ethz.ch (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id QAA00600 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:52:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Rene Huesler Received: by strauss.ee.ethz.ch (8.7.5) id QAA19626; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:52:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199608301452.QAA19626@strauss.ee.ethz.ch> Subject: MWave Modem 760E To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:52:47 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, I bought a Thinkpad 760E (mailorder from USA) and would like to use the internal modem in Switzerland. Can someone tell me whether it is possible to connect the line directly to my TP or do I really need the DAA-Kit? I tested a PCMCIA modem, also shipped from USA, and it worked fine with the Swiss Telecom. Is there a difference between the internal MWave modem and other modems, or what is the difference? Thanks for any help Rene +----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Rene Huesler | | | Swiss Federal Institute of Technology | Phone: (-41) 1 632 51 43 | | Electronics Laboratory ETZ H64 | | | Gloriastrasse 35 | FAX: (-41) 1 632 12 10 | | | | | CH-8092 Zurich | Email: huesler@ife.ee.ethz.ch | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 12:13:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA095261624; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:13:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12682; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:10:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:07:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12232; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:07:22 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12225; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:07:19 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA02750; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:07:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id LAA04757; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:07:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:07:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Chris Schumann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Once again: ThinkPad 750 Hard Drives In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Chris Schumann wrote: > I've searched for 750-type web pages to no avail. How do I get the > Toshiba drive to work in my machine? Which model number should I get and > what do the model codes indicate? Make sure the drive vendor guarentees that it will work in the 750. That tpad model required a different drive select jumpering scheme than most other tpads. I had to unsolder a pin on the board of my ibm 810 drive to get it to work. best regards...harry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 12:48:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA101533705; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:48:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15746; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:41:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:38:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15397; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:38:56 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15384; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:38:51 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:52:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960830145221.00667dbc@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:52:21 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: 701 modem (audio/modem fix) NOT hi there... At 22:20 29.08.96 -0700, you wrote: >At 02:40 PM 8/28/96 -0700, Peckham Engineering wrote: >>[...] >>sound driver from the IBM web page, and it seems to have cured >>my modem. >>The file is af701951.exe. [...] > Weird that this fixed your modem... it didn't for me, though. loaded it yesterday and that evening, I was disconnected after 5 minutes, just as always... surest thing for me still seems to be waiting till the darned modem has the right temperature, which will take longer and longer now with winter coming... glad it worked for you, though... axel ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 13:08:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA105354881; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:08:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17415; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:00:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:58:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17057; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:58:15 -0400 Received: from golden.net (root@golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17049; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:58:12 -0400 Received: from ThinkPad (joe@swo-86.golden.org [199.166.210.86]) by golden.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA06392; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:57:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:57:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199608301657.MAA06392@golden.net> X-Sender: bivanovi@pop.golden.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: axel.hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Boris Subject: Re: 701 modem (audio/modem fix) NOT It works, at least it seems to. I suggest that you go into control panel, the system, then the device manager tab. Then use "remove" (delete) on all the sound and joystick drivers, then install the new audio drivers. At least thats what I did and it seems to have solved it. Boris >it didn't for me, though. loaded it yesterday and that >evening, I was disconnected after 5 minutes, just as >always... >surest thing for me still seems to be waiting till the >darned modem has the right temperature, which will take >longer and longer now with winter coming... > >glad it worked for you, though... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 13:42:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA111986930; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:42:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20572; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:38:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:36:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20256; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:35:57 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20214; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:35:44 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:34:54 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960830173450.00667e7c@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:34:50 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! i guess everyone who is posting on the list is getting auto-replies by jim melton (again). since he sais he'll be gone for another two weeks, could we have him unsubscribed so he doesn't bother everyone? he said last time it isn't his fault, but i think it's a nuisance. on the other hand i don't want to tweak my email client to his adress and fake an unsubscribe... how'bout it, list-owner? At 11:00 30.08.96 -0600, you wrote: >Greetings, > >Thanks for your recent mail message. However, I am temporarily unable to >respond. I am out of the office on business (and, believe it or not, >vacation!). I will *NOT* have any access to my email while I am gone. I >will respond to your message as soon as I am able to do so. > >I anticipate being back in the office on Monday, 23 September, 1996. > >I expect to have limited email access beginning roughly on Monday, >18 September, 1996. > >If you need to speak to someone before that date about ANSI or ISO SQL >standardization, please contact Don Deutsch by email at >"deutsch@sybase.com", or by telephone at +1.301.897.1639 (Note: Don may >also be unavailable). > >If you need to speak to someone before that date about technical details >of SQL (including SQL-92, SQL3, object-oriented features of SQL, SQL/CLI, >SQL/PSM, and SQL/Temporal), you might try to contact Andrew Eisenberg by >email at "andrew.eisenberg@sybase.com" or by telephone at +1.617.564.7917; >or you might try to contact Ames Carlson by email at "ames@sybase.com" or >by telephone at +1.510.922.0910. (Note: it is possible that neither of >these persons are available.) > >If you need to speak to someone before that date about X/Open SQL Access >Group (XSQL) SQL activities, you're probably out of luck. You might try >Don Deutsch by email at "deutsch@sybase.com", or by telephone at >+1.301.897.1639 (Note: Don may also be unavailable). > >Thanks, > Jim >* - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * > >Jim Melton Work Telephone: +1.801.942.0144 >Sybase, Inc. Fax: +1.801.942.3345 (by arrangement only) >1930 Viscounti Dr. Internet: jim.melton@sybase.com >Sandy, UT 84093 X/Open Email: j.melton@xopen.co.uk >USA > >* - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * >* * >* Facts are facts. Any opinions expressed are mine alone and do not * >* necessarily reflect the opinions of my employer nor anybody else * >* with whom I may or may not have discussed the subject at hand. * >* * >* - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * > > ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 13:43:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA112176989; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:43:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20574; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:38:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:36:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20264; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:35:59 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20251; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:35:54 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:35:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960830173534.00669a08@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:35:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: again: 701 modem (audio/modem fix) NOT that's exactly what i did... i even had those drivers directly from ess on the system before, apparently same version, but even with the ibm supplied drivers, it kicked me out of the ppp-connection... still open for suggestions, axel At 12:57 30.08.96 -0400, you wrote: >It works, at least it seems to. >I suggest that you go into control panel, the system, then the device >manager tab. Then use "remove" (delete) on all the sound and joystick drivers, >then install the new audio drivers. At least thats what I did >and it seems to have solved it. > >Boris > >>it didn't for me, though. loaded it yesterday and that >>evening, I was disconnected after 5 minutes, just as >>always... >>surest thing for me still seems to be waiting till the >>darned modem has the right temperature, which will take >>longer and longer now with winter coming... >> >>glad it worked for you, though... ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 14:18:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA119369134; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:18:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24263; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:17:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:13:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23928; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:13:56 -0400 Received: from brickell.bridge.net (root@brickell.bridge.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23910; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:13:51 -0400 Received: from newworld.bridge.net (newworld.bridge.net [204.253.4.4]) by brickell.bridge.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15988; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:13:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald Whitestone Reply-To: Donald Whitestone To: Axel Hartmann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960830173450.00667e7c@129.13.95.1> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Axel Hartmann wrote: > i guess everyone who is posting on the list > is getting auto-replies by jim melton (again). > since he sais he'll be gone for another two weeks, > could we have him unsubscribed so he doesn't > bother everyone? > he said last time it isn't his fault, but > i think it's a nuisance. Jim's problem is that the thinkpad list does not reset the FROM field to the list, so his email client sees the message as from an individual, not from the list. Thus, the auto replies - it's not possible for him to filter his replies so the list doesn't get it because the list doesn't identify itself! While you can certainly argue that this is irrelevant to this point, there are some other worrysome issues - the list does not indicate messages as being from a mailing list AT ALL. No revamped from: address, no X-Mailing-List: header, nothing. The danger there is that if some wiseass subscribed this list to another similarly configured list, they would loop messages forever, over and over again. Lists should contain some clear indication they are lists in order to prevent such mischief. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 14:27:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA120849629; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:27:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24929; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:24:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:22:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24773; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:22:37 -0400 Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu [137.53.201.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24761; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:22:32 -0400 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:21:08 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:25:08 -0700 From: Ron Sakaguchi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Kudos for IBM EasyServ I had a rattling keyboard on my 755cx. IBM tech support suggested that I return it for replacement. I received the mailing box on Wednesday morning, shipped it out to IBM Wednesday afternoon, and had it back on my desk with a new keyboard this morning. IBM turned it around in less than 24 hours. Recognizing that a keyboard replacement is a no-brainer, IBM should still be congratulated on their exemplary service on this repair. They even cleaned the display and case! The original keyboard was made by Lexmark. The new one is made by Keytronic. It has a similar feel to the Lexmark (when new) but is a little quieter. The finish of the plastic is slightly different than the original. Overall, it definitely is an improvement and worth the repair. -------------- Ronald L. Sakaguchi, DDS, MS, PhD Associate Professor Dept of Biomaterials and Biomechanics Oregon Health Sciences University 611 SW Campus Drive, SD-503 Portland, OR 97201 (503) 494-8692 (503) 494-8260 (fax) sakaguch@ohsu.edu -------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 14:33:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA121990011; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:33:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25494; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:30:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:29:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25259; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:29:09 -0400 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25251; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:29:06 -0400 Received: (from jollymon@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA24777; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:28:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Sethi Message-Id: <199608301828.NAA24777@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: Re: Once again: ThinkPad 750 Hard Drives To: whizkid@home.dwave.net (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:28:45 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad mail list) In-Reply-To: from "Chris Schumann" at Aug 29, 96 12:39:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > > It's FINALLY time for me to upgrade my good old ThinkPad 750P. I want a > 16MB RAM upgrade and a 800MB(or so) hard drive. > > Best prices I've found so far are: > (from Computer Shopper) > 16MB RAM $220.00 from Midwest Memory Works > Toshiba 814MB Hard disk $239 from Drive Outlet Center > I just received a 16MB card made by Viking. USA Flex has them for $185 (incl shipping). Took 3 days (ordered Wed morn)call 1800 USAFLEX Jason -- ******************************************************************************* Jason Sethi Purdue University Senior in EE jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu sethi@ecn.purdue.edu URL:cernan.ecn.purdue.edu/~sethi ******************************************************************************* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 14:35:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA122280125; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:35:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25797; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:30:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25512; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:30:54 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net (park.interport.net [199.184.165.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25489; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:30:47 -0400 Received: from interport.net (alster@madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23576 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21334 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:30:34 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Kudos for IBM EasyServ In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Ron Sakaguchi wrote: > I had a rattling keyboard on my 755cx. IBM tech support suggested that I > return it for replacement. I received the mailing box on Wednesday > morning, shipped it out to IBM Wednesday afternoon, and had it back on > my desk with a new keyboard this morning. IBM turned it around in less > than 24 hours. Recognizing that a keyboard replacement is a no-brainer, > IBM should still be congratulated on their exemplary service on this > repair. They even cleaned the display and case! > > The original keyboard was made by Lexmark. The new one is made by > Keytronic. It has a similar feel to the Lexmark (when new) but is a > little quieter. The finish of the plastic is slightly different than the > original. Overall, it definitely is an improvement and worth the repair. Hmm... I wonder if they switched away from Lexmark to Keytronic for all their new machines. Could be why the keyboard on my 760 is different. Keytronic ... yuck. [Yea, again ...I like the damn clicky 755 keyboards.] --- alster@interport.net allen@metaverse.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 14:43:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA123960602; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:43:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26308; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:37:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:35:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26148; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:35:56 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26122; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:35:48 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:27:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960830182704.00695b4c@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:27:04 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re^2: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! hi donald, agreed. also, it would help to change the FROM field, because I hate having to cut and paste the actual adress of the list whenever I reply to something. just as now, I have to change the adress, because the default re: is your address, not the list's. and I don't like to reply directly, because it bypasses the list and I know that _I_ like to lurk and read other peoples' questions _and_ answers... >Jim's problem is that the thinkpad list does not reset the FROM field to >the list, so his email client sees the message as from an individual, not >from the list. Thus, the auto replies - it's not possible for him to >filter his replies so the list doesn't get it because the list doesn't >identify itself! > >While you can certainly argue that this is irrelevant to this point, there >are some other worrysome issues - the list does not indicate messages as >being from a mailing list AT ALL. No revamped from: address, no >X-Mailing-List: header, nothing. The danger there is that if some wiseass >subscribed this list to another similarly configured list, they would loop >messages forever, over and over again. Lists should contain some clear >indication they are lists in order to prevent such mischief. > > ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 14:54:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA125411243; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:54:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27642; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:51:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:49:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27348; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:49:57 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27342; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:49:54 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06334; Fri, 30 Aug 96 14:43:57 EDT Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 14:43:57 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608301843.AA06334@nile.gnat.com> To: axel.hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re^2: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! Axel said "agreed. also, it would help to change the FROM field, because I hate having to cut and paste the actual adress of the list whenever I reply to something. just as now, I have to change the adress, because the default re: is your address, not the list's. and I don't like to reply directly, because it bypasses the list and I know that _I_ like to lurk and read other peoples' questions _and_ answers..." Axel, you should check your mailer, it simply MUSt have the ability to reply to the from: field simply. if it does not it is badly broken, and you should consider findin g another mailer. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 16:20:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA164236407; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:20:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05602; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:17:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:11:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05002; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:11:39 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04992; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:11:28 -0400 Received: from monocard.execpc.com (monocard.execpc.com [169.207.8.125]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA11269 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:11:39 -0500 From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Thinkpad 760ED + Win3.1 + MPEG = :( Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:13:12 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <32274a9f.6014067@news.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 When booting up Windows 3.1 on the 760ED, the splash screen comes up, disappears (so far so good), and then a DOS message comes up in German: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBMMPEG Das MPEG-Subsystem kann nicht verwendet weden, weil es inaktiviert ist. Press any key to continue -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sometimes the system hangs at this point, sometimes it doesn't (continuing into the Windows desktop), but it eventually hangs. Trying to play MPEGs results in a IRQ conflict message. I have exhausted the capabilities of the IBM multimedia support group and now this problem is being forwarded to development! This despite the fact that the problem still existed *after* wiping the machine and using IBM's pre-load CD for Windows 3.1 on the 760ED! I am writing this for a number of reasons: 1) Are there any other 760ED/Windows 3.1 users out there who have had this problem and were you able to resolve it? 2) Out of curiosity, can anyone translate this message? 3) I get the sneaking impression from IBM that their Windows 3.1 drivers have some chinks to be worked out... 4) IBM won't let me ship the system back, because "it could be a software problem". There's a decent chance it is, but we're out in the cold, hoping that some engineers find time to look at this problem...I say hoping because IBM can't guarantee when the development engineers will get around to looking at this. Thanks. Just needed a shoulder to cry on. Write me if you have any ideas. Now, on with business. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: tom.kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 16:51:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA180898288; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:51:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08374; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:48:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:46:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08071; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:46:32 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08065; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:46:26 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA170865 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:46:21 GMT Received: from unknown(130.99.86.204) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaFDwDFW; Fri Aug 30 20:45:20 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960830204534.0067e2d0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: rbkast@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:45:34 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Kasten Subject: Re: Kudos for IBM EasyServ At 02:30 PM 8/30/96 -0400, you wrote: >> I had a rattling keyboard on my 755cx. IBM tech support suggested that I >> return it for replacement. I received the mailing box on Wednesday >> morning, shipped it out to IBM Wednesday afternoon, and had it back on >> my desk with a new keyboard this morning. IBM turned it around in less >> than 24 hours. Recognizing that a keyboard replacement is a no-brainer, >> IBM should still be congratulated on their exemplary service on this >> repair. They even cleaned the display and case! >> >> The original keyboard was made by Lexmark. The new one is made by >> Keytronic. It has a similar feel to the Lexmark (when new) but is a >> little quieter. The finish of the plastic is slightly different than the >> original. Overall, it definitely is an improvement and worth the repair. > >Hmm... I wonder if they switched away from Lexmark to Keytronic for all >their new machines. Could be why the keyboard on my 760 is different. >Keytronic ... yuck. Yes they did. I have a 760E, and I find the new keyboards are horrible and chintzy. As I mentioned, I asked tech support about this and they said because they have a new keyboard supplier, the "feel" will be different than on the 755's. In fact, every tech-support person at IBM gives me the same spiel, but one even told me complaints about the "new" keyboard are quite common. I guess IBM felt that in keeping with tradition, they had to screw up their one last highly profitable division by cutting corners and getting greedy with the thinkpads. I hope they lose market share because of it, too. :) >[Yea, again ...I like the damn clicky 755 keyboards.] I didn't at forst, but then became accustomed to them, and then finally liked them. Bob Kasten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 17:43:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA194011416; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:43:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13387; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:42:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:39:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12946; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:39:44 -0400 Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu [137.53.201.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12935; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:39:38 -0400 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:34:01 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:38:04 -0700 From: Ron Sakaguchi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Kudos for IBM EasyServ -Reply Oh oh. Are you saying that I should have kept my original clicky Lexmark keyboard instead of switching it out with a quieter Keytronics keyboard? >>> Robert Kasten - 8/30/96 1:45 PM >>> At 02:30 PM 8/30/96 -0400, you wrote: >> I had a rattling keyboard on my 755cx. IBM tech support suggested that I >> return it for replacement. I received the mailing box on Wednesday >> morning, shipped it out to IBM Wednesday afternoon, and had it back on >> my desk with a new keyboard this morning. IBM turned it around in less >> than 24 hours. Recognizing that a keyboard replacement is a no-brainer, >> IBM should still be congratulated on their exemplary service on this >> repair. They even cleaned the display and case! >> >> The original keyboard was made by Lexmark. The new one is made by >> Keytronic. It has a similar feel to the Lexmark (when new) but is a >> little quieter. The finish of the plastic is slightly different than the >> original. Overall, it definitely is an improvement and worth the repair. > >Hmm... I wonder if they switched away from Lexmark to Keytronic for all >their new machines. Could be why the keyboard on my 760 is different. >Keytronic ... yuck. Yes they did. I have a 760E, and I find the new keyboards are horrible and chintzy. As I mentioned, I asked tech support about this and they said because they have a new keyboard supplier, the "feel" will be different than on the 755's. In fact, every tech-support person at IBM gives me the same spiel, but one even told me complaints about the "new" keyboard are quite common. I guess IBM felt that in keeping with tradition, they had to screw up their one last highly profitable division by cutting corners and getting greedy with the thinkpads. I hope they lose market share because of it, too. :) >[Yea, again ...I like the damn clicky 755 keyboards.] I didn't at forst, but then became accustomed to them, and then finally liked them. Bob Kasten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 17:44:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA194111449; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:44:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13464; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:43:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:41:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13305; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:41:47 -0400 Received: from golden.net (root@golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13297; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:41:45 -0400 Received: from ThinkPad (joe@swo-92.golden.org [199.166.210.92]) by golden.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA02678 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:41:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:41:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199608302141.RAA02678@golden.net> X-Sender: bivanovi@pop.golden.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Boris Subject: Re: Kudos for IBM EasyServ >I guess IBM felt that in keeping with tradition, they had to screw up their >one last highly profitable division by cutting corners and getting greedy with >the thinkpads. I hope they lose market share because of it, too. :) Yeah, I agree, although I'm not wishing them bad luck, I just wish they'd smarten up. That 560 is just a silly machine, I'll keep my 701 until they come up with something similar that is actually better. And I'm not even going to say anything about the 3xx machines.... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 17:48:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA194491734; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:48:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14157; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:46:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:45:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13724; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:44:56 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net (park.interport.net [199.184.165.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13707; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:44:51 -0400 Received: from interport.net (alster@madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16969 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19450 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:44:43 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Kudos for IBM EasyServ -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Ron Sakaguchi wrote: > Oh oh. Are you saying that I should have kept my original clicky Lexmark > keyboard instead of switching it out with a quieter Keytronics keyboard? Yea, I was trying to say that. I think Rob too. > >>> Robert Kasten - 8/30/96 1:45 PM >>> > At 02:30 PM 8/30/96 -0400, you wrote: > > >> I had a rattling keyboard on my 755cx. IBM tech support suggested that I > >> return it for replacement. I received the mailing box on Wednesday > >> morning, shipped it out to IBM Wednesday afternoon, and had it back on > >> my desk with a new keyboard this morning. IBM turned it around in less > >> than 24 hours. Recognizing that a keyboard replacement is a no-brainer, > >> IBM should still be congratulated on their exemplary service on this > >> repair. They even cleaned the display and case! > >> > >> The original keyboard was made by Lexmark. The new one is made by > >> Keytronic. It has a similar feel to the Lexmark (when new) but is a > >> little quieter. The finish of the plastic is slightly different than the > >> original. Overall, it definitely is an improvement and worth the repair. > > > >Hmm... I wonder if they switched away from Lexmark to Keytronic for all > >their new machines. Could be why the keyboard on my 760 is different. > >Keytronic ... yuck. > > Yes they did. I have a 760E, and I find the new keyboards are horrible > and chintzy. > > As I mentioned, I asked tech support about this and they said because they > have a new keyboard supplier, the "feel" will be different than on the 755's. > In fact, every tech-support person at IBM gives me the same spiel, but > one even told me complaints about the "new" keyboard are quite common. > > I guess IBM felt that in keeping with tradition, they had to screw up their > one last highly profitable division by cutting corners and getting greedy with > the thinkpads. I hope they lose market share because of it, too. :) > > >[Yea, again ...I like the damn clicky 755 keyboards.] > > I didn't at forst, but then became accustomed to them, and then finally > liked them. > > Bob Kasten > > > --- alster@interport.net allen@metaverse.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 18:13:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA197923179; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:12:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16423; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:12:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:10:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16219; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:10:39 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16211; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:10:35 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA29831; Fri, 30 Aug 96 18:06:52 EDT Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 18:06:52 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608302206.AA29831@nile.gnat.com> To: rbkast@ibm.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Kudos for IBM EasyServ the 755 keyboar was a little noisy, but at least it was solid. I replaced the keybaord on my 760CD, and it was certainly better, but seems to be starting to act up again. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 18:15:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA198113318; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:15:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16640; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:14:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:12:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16463; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:12:47 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16456; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:12:44 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00038; Fri, 30 Aug 96 18:09:19 EDT Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 18:09:19 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608302209.AA00038@nile.gnat.com> To: bivanovi@golden.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Kudos for IBM EasyServ "that 560 is just a silly machine" and yet every single review I have seen, including places like the New York Times, have been 100% enthusiastic. I guess weight is critical to a lot of poeple. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 18:21:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA198813694; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:21:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17282; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:20:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:18:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17097; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:18:19 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17080; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:18:12 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-39.usc.edu [128.125.224.39]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id PAA23388; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960830221831.006db6d4@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:18:31 -0700 To: aoster From: Randy Whittle Subject: Keyboards Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 02:30 PM 8/30/96 -0400, aoster wrote: >> The original keyboard was made by Lexmark. The new one is made by >> Keytronic. It has a similar feel to the Lexmark (when new) but is a >> little quieter. The finish of the plastic is slightly different than the >> original. Overall, it definitely is an improvement and worth the repair. > >Hmm... I wonder if they switched away from Lexmark to Keytronic for all >their new machines. Could be why the keyboard on my 760 is different. >Keytronic ... yuck. > >[Yea, again ...I like the damn clicky 755 keyboards.] No doubt. I loved the feel of the keyboard on my 750C. But they were indeed rather noisy. I presume IBM made their own "TrackWrite" keyboard for the 701's--mine felt kinda "soft". My 560 actually feels pretty good, but not as good as that 750C did. But at least its not so noisy. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 18:29:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA200044198; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:29:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18297; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:29:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:27:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18149; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:27:54 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18141; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:27:51 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA13130 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA05376; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:28:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:28:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof Reply-To: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re^2: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! In-Reply-To: <9608301843.AA06334@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Shouldn't the list set the precedence field when it is sent out to bulk? I don't see that header in the messages sent out from the thinkpad list and it usually prevents vacation programs from responding to the message. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 18:34:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA200564459; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:34:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18753; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:33:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:32:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18593; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:32:05 -0400 Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18586; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:32:02 -0400 Received: (from ping@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA08787 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:32:48 -0700 From: Ping Mai Message-Id: <199608302232.PAA08787@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:32:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Axel Hartmann wrote: > > > i guess everyone who is posting on the list > > is getting auto-replies by jim melton (again). > > since he sais he'll be gone for another two weeks, > > could we have him unsubscribed so he doesn't > > bother everyone? > > he said last time it isn't his fault, but > > i think it's a nuisance. > > Jim's problem is that the thinkpad list does not reset the FROM field to > the list, so his email client sees the message as from an individual, not > from the list. Thus, the auto replies - it's not possible for him to > filter his replies so the list doesn't get it because the list doesn't > identify itself! > > While you can certainly argue that this is irrelevant to this point, there > are some other worrysome issues - the list does not indicate messages as > being from a mailing list AT ALL. No revamped from: address, no > X-Mailing-List: header, nothing. The danger there is that if some wiseass > subscribed this list to another similarly configured list, they would loop > messages forever, over and over again. Lists should contain some clear > indication they are lists in order to prevent such mischief. > another problem with this list is it does not have a "Sender:" field in the mail headers; every other mail list i've seen has the "Sender:" field. i use the elm filter to divert mail from mailing lists to separate folders. elm filter uses keywords like "To:", and "Sender:" to filter mail. a lot the times people use "cc" to send their messages to this mail list. and since the filter does not support "cc", those messages would clobber my default mail box. whoever administrating this list, would you please add "Sender: owner-thinkpad" to the mail headers. thanks, ping From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 18:47:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA202245219; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:46:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13990; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:45:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:43:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13484; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:43:14 -0400 Received: from golden.net (root@golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13477; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:43:10 -0400 Received: from ThinkPad (joe@swo-92.golden.org [199.166.210.92]) by golden.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA02743 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:43:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:43:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199608302143.RAA02743@golden.net> X-Sender: bivanovi@pop.golden.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Boris Subject: SVGAlib for 701 Has anyone got the SVGALIB in linux to work on the 701? If so could you post/mail me the conf file, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 18:51:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA202625477; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:51:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19850; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:50:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:47:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19594; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:47:55 -0400 Received: from maple.grove.iup.edu (SYSTEM@maple.grove.iup.edu [144.80.128.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19588; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:47:52 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #2467) id <01I8WAMHRZW08WY2S8@grove.iup.edu>; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:39:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark J Strawcutter Subject: Re: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:32:47 -0700 (PDT)" <199608302232.PAA08787@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: Ping Mai Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01I8WB1300JO8WY2S8@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania X-Envelope-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >another problem with this list is it does not have a "Sender:" field in >the mail headers; every other mail list i've seen has the "Sender:" >field. And I've seen lots that don't. There is really no standard in this area. My preference would be to have a reply-to: header pointing to the list. Others would strongly disagree. And what do you do if the post already has a reply-to when it hits the list (several options exist). The only fool-proof way to identify list traffic is to subscribe using a list-specific address for yourself. My software allows "sub-addresses" so I can subscribe as and then filter on the envelope to: address. Unfortunately, some automated list management software treats the subaddress as significant and requires that I subscribe via the list owner :-( /mjs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 19:05:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA206496322; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:05:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20767; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:03:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20488; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:50 -0400 Received: from osceola.gate.net (root@osceola.gate.net [199.227.0.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20473; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:46 -0400 Received: from tequesta.gate.net (root@tequesta.gate.net [199.227.0.12]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA46900 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:19 -0400 Received: from feesh (mlbfl2-2.gate.net [199.227.6.129]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA277520 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:27 -0400 Message-Id: <322770A4.46AE@gate.net> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:52:20 -0400 From: Gene Reply-To: vansant@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mail Priority ... was Re: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donald Whitestone wrote: > Jim's problem is that the thinkpad list does not reset the FROM field to > the list, so his email client sees the message as from an individual, not I just classify all mail from my mail list as junk. Auto reply scripts use this. the TP group should set the priority of outgoing mail to junk or bulk. -- Tschuess ... Gene Van Sant Home: (407) 725 8788 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 19:05:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA206506322; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:05:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20769; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:03:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20385; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:05 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20369; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:01 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-39.usc.edu [128.125.224.39]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id PAA01486; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960830230008.0070a8c8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:00:08 -0700 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Kudos for IBM EasyServ Cc: bivanovi@golden.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 06:09 PM 8/30/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >"that 560 is just a silly machine" > >and yet every single review I have seen, including places like the New >York Times, have been 100% enthusiastic. I guess weight is critical to >a lot of poeple. Its *very* critical to some of us. Even the 1/2 lb. difference between the 701 and the 560 is quite noticable, now that I have both to play with. Everyone saw my review of the machine and knows what I thought was good & bad about it. I'm interested in finding out exactly what Boris thinks is "silly" about the 560? ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 19:46:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA214918767; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:46:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22986; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:44:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:41:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22762; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:41:17 -0400 Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22755; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:41:14 -0400 Received: from ThinkPad (joe@swo-136.golden.org [199.166.210.136]) by golden.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03098; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:41:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:41:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199608302341.TAA03098@golden.net> X-Sender: bivanovi@pop.golden.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, whittle@usc.edu From: Boris Subject: TP 560 > Its *very* critical to some of us. Even the 1/2 lb. difference >between the 701 and the 560 is quite noticable, now that I have both to play >with. Yeah, the 701 will be a brick in a few years. :) > I'm interested in finding out exactly what Boris thinks is "silly" >about the 560? Well, I think "silly" may have been too strong a word. I think some of the port covers on it are clumsy (not as bad as the disk port on my 701). I think that the non removable HD, no modem, and the removal of power functions in the BIOS (as opposed to the 701) were major oversights on IBMs part. With this said, I think its a great machine, I think it just could have been a lot better, that's all. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 19:53:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA215489193; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:53:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23585; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:52:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:50:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23338; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:50:05 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23319; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:50:02 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-39.usc.edu [128.125.224.39]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id QAA10439; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960830235022.0072f41c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:50:22 -0700 To: Boris From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: TP 560 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 07:41 PM 8/30/96 -0400, Boris wrote: >> I'm interested in finding out exactly what Boris thinks is "silly" >>about the 560? > >Well, I think "silly" may have been too strong a word. I think some of >the port covers on it are clumsy (not as bad as the disk port on my 701). Really? I think they are wonderful, with the exception of that rubber stopper on the back. The hinged covers on the sides are great! >I think that the non removable HD, no modem, and the removal of power functions >in the BIOS (as opposed to the 701) were major oversights on IBMs part. Non-Removable HD: I agree with that. John Kim & I have discussed this and he believes that making it removable would have increased the thickness too much (extra space for the caddy, etc.). No Modem: No argument from me. In my case it didn't hurt me since I already had a PCMCIA modem I was using in the 701 (which I had used in my 750C). Power Functions in the BIOS a la 701: Much agreed, but as has been shown--no other ThinkPad has *ever* had this the way the 701 has. I do think its a step back not to include it in future TP's the way they did in the 701, but its really no worse than the 760's are in this sense (though the 760 has that LCD). It takes a little memory & etc., but it's still functional to use the "Fuel" software. I've gotten used to it. But like you, I prefer the 701's method of doing it. >With this said, I think its a great machine, I think it just could have been >a lot better, that's all. I think it could have been made better too. A "lot" better? I guess that's a question of degree. Somewhat better, yes--but I'm not sure I'd say a "lot" better. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 30 21:36:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA228015414; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:36:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29985; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:36:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:33:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29621; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:33:06 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29615; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:33:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id VAA12469; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:34:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Boris Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SVGAlib for 701 In-Reply-To: <199608302143.RAA02743@golden.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Boris wrote: > Has anyone got the SVGALIB in linux to work on the 701? > If so could you post/mail me the conf file, I'd really appreciate it. As far as I know, the CT65545 video chipset of the 701 is not supported by SVGALIB at this time. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 31 00:25:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA249305552; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:25:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11646; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:24:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:16:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11099; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:16:32 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11085; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:16:23 -0400 Received: from Rust.net (liv-21.rust.net [206.42.195.121]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA16794; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960831041620.006d0598@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:16:20 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Win 95 and 701c Cc: Randy Whittle Randy you were right. The plunge into Win 95 was totally painless. It installed without a single error message and everything is working. Even a copy of PhotoShop 3.0 which is not supposed to work, does. I installed the 95 dialer along with the 32 bit versions of Netscape 3.0 and Eudora Pro 2.2. All loaded fine and seem to be working great. I have not tried the Win 95 version of the PCMCIA drivers yet because some of the text files I've read, say the laptop's suspend function doesn't put the PC cards to sleep. The old IBM, DOS drivers, do. I might try them out this weekend. I must say I have never had such a painless software install than this one. I too have used both OS/2 2.1 and 3.0. Now there's a somewhat painful software to install. In the end I was able to get it right but the windows compatibility boxes drove me crazy. Anyways, thanks for the push... B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 31 04:13:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA276669195; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:13:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27215; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:12:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:07:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26207; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:07:10 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26169; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:06:54 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA29069; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 18:05:20 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA10710; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 18:05:18 +1000 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 18:05:16 +1000 (EST) To: "John H. Kim" Cc: Boris , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SVGAlib for 701 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII a linux question somewhat off this topic: anyone gotten the 'red hat live' linux working on a thinkpad 755ce? idea is you run it from your cd-rom drive, with 3 diskettes (boot, ram and /home). don't have the time or inclination at the moment to risk an attempt at a hdd install so this seemed like a good way to play with it a bit. but, finding the appropriate boot image and support for my new media bus toaster pcmcia card is proving a bit problematical. most info available seems to be oriented to a hdd install. any suggestions welcomed, and as usual much appreciated, regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 31 04:32:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA278530361; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:32:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29430; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:31:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:30:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29153; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:29:59 -0400 Received: from mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (mail.Herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29130; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:29:50 -0400 Received: from zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (baiti@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.100]) by mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA14324 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:29:35 +0200 Received: (from baiti@localhost) by zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14807 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:21:30 +0200 From: Friedemann Baitinger Message-Id: <199608310821.KAA14807@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de> Subject: xfree86 3.1.2F on 760ED To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing-List) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:21:30 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit guys, has anybody managed to get the new xfree86 3.1.2F beta configured correctly on a 760ED? i am still getting the vertically striped screen image where i actually see 7 partial stripes of the real screen image? -- Friedemann Baitinger baiti@herrenberg.netsurf.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 31 08:26:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA004064375; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:26:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14129; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:28:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13783; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:28:05 -0400 Received: from bbnplanet.com ([198.114.157.116]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13775; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:28:00 -0400 Subject: Re: xfree86 3.1.2F on 760ED To: Friedemann Baitinger Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hawkinson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199608310821.KAA14807@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de> from "Friedemann Baitinger" at Aug 31, 96 10:21:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9608310727.aa16646@poblano.bbnplanet.com> > guys, > has anybody managed to get the new xfree86 3.1.2F beta configured > correctly on a 760ED? i am still getting the vertically striped > screen image where i actually see 7 partial stripes of the real > screen image? Have you tried Option "tgui_pci_write_off" in the Device section? --jhawk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 31 08:58:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA007126304; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:58:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18587; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:57:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:54:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18287; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:54:30 -0400 Received: from thud.cs.utk.edu (THUD.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.228]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18282; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:54:28 -0400 From: Vaidy Sunderam Received: by thud.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id IAA20805; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:54:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:54:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199608311254.IAA20805@thud.cs.utk.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on 560? Has anyone installed Linux on a 560 yet? Any advice or tips would be much appreciated. Thanks Vaidy Sunderam From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 31 11:01:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA020563706; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 11:01:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26395; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 11:00:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:56:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26150; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:56:50 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26141; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:56:42 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-j-62.usc.edu [128.125.224.206]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id HAA15386; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960831145704.0070d48c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:57:04 -0700 To: Bill Bryan From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Win 95 and 701c Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 12:16 AM 8/31/96 -0400, Bill Bryan wrote: > Randy you were right. The plunge into Win 95 was totally painless. Told ya so! ;-) >It installed without a single error message and everything is working. Even >a copy of PhotoShop 3.0 which is not supposed to work, does. I installed By the way, there's an "updated" version of PhotoShop (3.0.1?) from Adobe you can get to work more natively with Win 95. Costs about $20. >Win 95 version of the PCMCIA drivers yet because some of the text files I've >read, say the laptop's suspend function doesn't put the PC cards to sleep. >The old IBM, DOS drivers, do. I think you might have misread the warning. The Win 95 PCMCIA drivers don't have the same power management capabilities as the IBM DOS drivers do. My 701 hibernates & suspends just fine with the Win 95 PCMCIA drivers. As for power, if you like, you can always whip up that on-the-fly BIOS thing in the 701 and tell it to shut off the power to the PCMCIA cards. At any rate, you can install the Win 95 drivers and see what you think, then go back to your DOS ones if you like. Just a matter of taste. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 31 16:34:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA059743646; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:34:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16235; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:33:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:27:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15803; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:27:10 -0400 Received: from ig.cs.utk.edu (IG.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.149]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15757; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:27:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by ig.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.10/2.8c-UTK) id QAA11316; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:27:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199608312027.QAA11316@ig.cs.utk.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu To: Axel Hartmann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:34:50 EDT." <1.5.4.32.19960830173450.00667e7c@129.13.95.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:27:03 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > i guess everyone who is posting on the list > is getting auto-replies by jim melton (again). > since he sais he'll be gone for another two weeks, > could we have him unsubscribed so he doesn't > bother everyone? > he said last time it isn't his fault, but > i think it's a nuisance. > on the other hand i don't want to tweak my > email client to his adress and fake an unsubscribe... > how'bout it, list-owner? he's history. (in the future, please send admin requests to thinkpad-REQUEST) -Keith From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 31 17:38:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA069307523; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:38:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20589; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:37:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:35:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20306; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:35:09 -0400 Received: from ig.cs.utk.edu (IG.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.149]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20297; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:35:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by ig.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.10/2.8c-UTK) id RAA11390; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:35:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199608312135.RAA11390@ig.cs.utk.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 From: thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ADMIN: responses to questions about list operation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:35:06 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Some background: In addition to runing the thinkpad mailing list, I have also written several email-related RFCs (including part of the MIME stuff) and a master's thesis on email gatewaying. I also used to chair the working group that is rewriting the core Internet email RFCs. (I had to abandon the role of WG chair when I accepted a position on the group that oversees development of such standards.) So if I have strong opinions about these issues, it's because I've been working on improving Internet email for the past ten years or so, and because I'm pretty well plugged into the Internet email standards community. Donald Whitestone writes: > Jim's problem is that the thinkpad list does not reset the FROM field to > the list, so his email client sees the message as from an individual, not > from the list. Thus, the auto replies - it's not possible for him to > filter his replies so the list doesn't get it because the list doesn't > identify itself! Jim's problem is that his mailer (or vacation program, or whatever) is sending automatic responses to the From field, when it should be using the SMTP MAIL FROM reverse-path, or address in the Return-Path field. A very many mailers -- including essentially every LAN mail system which connects to Internet mail via a gateway -- botch this. One result is that bounce messages from a list go to the sender of a message and not to the list maintainer. In general, automatic notifications (whether delivery notifications, nondelivery notifications, receipt notifications, or whatever) go to the return address in the message envelope, not to the From address in the message header. The return address on such notifications should be the empty string. This mechanism has been around for fifteen years or so, and is specifically intended to prevent various kinds of forwarding loops. The existing mail standards don't make this clear for anything except nondelivery reports, but they're currently being revised to clarify all kinds of things that have surfaced since they were written (c. 1980). It's inappropriate for a list to rewrite the From field. The From field indicates on whose behalf the message was sent (which is usually, but not always, the person who sent the message). Rewriting the From field makes it difficult for a list member to see who actually sent the message. It also makes it difficult for a list member to send a private reply to the author of that message. Ping Mai writes: > another problem with this list is it does not have a "Sender:" field in > the mail headers; every other mail list i've seen has the "Sender:" > field. i use the elm filter to divert mail from mailing > lists to separate folders. elm filter uses keywords like "To:", > and "Sender:" to filter mail. a lot the times people use > "cc" to send their messages to this mail list. and since the filter > does not support "cc", those messages would clobber my default mail > box. > > whoever administrating this list, would you please add > "Sender: owner-thinkpad" to the mail headers. Sender is supposed to indicate the person who actually sent the message (as opposed to the person or people on whose behalf the message is sent). RFC 822's description of the Sender field is somewhat muddy, but the examples make it clear that Sender is supposed to contain the address of the person *who actually sent the message* as opposed to an indication of any later processing. (In those days, lists were almost unknown, and it was common for a user agent to deliver mail directly to a recipient's SMTP server without any relaying.) RFC 822 includes a couple of examples of appropriate use of Sender. One is when a message is sent "From" several people, but the Sender field indicates who actually sent the message. Another is a message sent by a secretary on behalf of his/her boss: the From field has the boss's address, and the Sender field contains the secretary's address. You should be able to sort mail using the Return-Path field, which is derived from the SMTP MAIL FROM address, which (for this list) is always set to owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu. (RFCs 821 and 1123 require the MTA to add the Return-Path field when a message is delivered.) > While you can certainly argue that this is irrelevant to this point, there > are some other worrysome issues - the list does not indicate messages as > being from a mailing list AT ALL. No revamped from: address, no > X-Mailing-List: header, nothing. The danger there is that if some wiseass > subscribed this list to another similarly configured list, they would loop > messages forever, over and over again. Lists should contain some clear > indication they are lists in order to prevent such mischief. Agreed that this would be useful, but at present there is no standard marking for such. I'll add an X-Mailing-List field if I can determine that there's much support for using it for loop prevention. Axel Hartmann writes: > agreed. also, it would help to change the FROM field, > because I hate having to cut and paste the actual > adress of the list whenever I reply to something. > just as now, I have to change the adress, because > the default re: is your address, not the list's. > and I don't like to reply directly, because it bypasses > the list and I know that _I_ like to lurk and read > other peoples' questions _and_ answers... Most decent Internet mail user agents have separate functions for "reply to sender only" and "reply to sender and all recipients". If the list rewrites the From address you can only reply to the list. If the list *doesn't* rewrite the From address, and you have a decent user agent, you can do whichever one you wish. (I notice you are using Eudora Light. I don't use it myself, but I know the guys who write the Mac version and I'd be *very* surprised if they failed to include such a feature.) Josuha Hosseinof writes > Shouldn't the list set the precedence field when it is sent out to bulk? > I don't see that header in the messages sent out from the thinkpad list > and it usually prevents vacation programs from responding to the message. No. Precedence is nonstandard and not documented. In practice, it is used for so many different things, and its usage varies widely. My experience is that there is no Precedence keyword which has any beneficial effect (such as preventing some versions of vacation from responding) which does not also PREVENT THE MESSAGE FROM BEING DELIVERED through one or more gateways or mail exploders. Some gateways bounce mail which has a Precedence field which does not have one of certain keywords (hint: bulk is not one of them, and neither is list), and some list exploders refuse to forward any message containing a Precedence header (as a means to prevent loops). I used to use Precedence on my lists. I stopped doing so after several complaints from subscribers who weren't getting their mail, and only after I had tried every Precedence keyword I could find. Getting rid of Precedence has decreased the number of bounces and complaints from people who don't get their mail, and hasn't noticibly increased the number of vacation notices I get when I send messages to my lists. (Many auto-responders, particularly those on LAN email systems, don't recognize it.) Some vacation programs refuse to respond to any message that does not have the recipient explicitly listed in a To or CC message header. There was a proposal for an RFC describing an "auto-submitted" field which is intended to tip off auto-responders to not respond to such messages. (Unlike Precedence, it's not also intended to be used to determine queueing priority or whether a bounced message contains the subject content.) The proposal has expired, but I just asked the author to re-submit it, and will try to get it approved this time around. Keith Moore From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 31 17:44:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA070307847; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:44:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21121; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:43:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:41:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20971; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:41:55 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20964; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:41:49 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA11395; Sat, 31 Aug 96 17:35:02 EDT Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 17:35:02 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9608312135.AA11395@nile.gnat.com> To: axel.hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de, thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu vacation programs should not respond to a properly formatted mailing list header, did anyone check to figure out if the problem is Jim,s or the mailing lists's.