From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 12:55:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10433; Fri, 1 Sep 95 12:55:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29558; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:39:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:39:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29545; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:39:26 -0400 Received: from hopi.gate.net (jbush@hopi.gate.net [199.227.0.13]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA31288 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:38:14 -0400 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by hopi.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA43006; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:33:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:33:44 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bush To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: trumpet Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII using a tp755ce trumpet in windows trumpet works fine with the pcmcia card and serial port modem. but it will not function using the internal modem. appreciate any suggestion to make trumpet compatible with the internal modem. any particular settings that have to be made? thank you jamie From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 13:11:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11349; Fri, 1 Sep 95 13:11:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02086; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:04:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:04:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02076; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:04:00 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA22581; Fri, 1 Sep 95 12:59:09 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9509011259.ZM22579@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:59:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 810mb HD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Ok, so i found a toshiba 810mb HD for $650, which is ~$20 less than RoadWarrior. The place is WorldWide technologies which is listed in Don's HomePage. My questions: Is this drive going to work w/o a problem? iow, has anyone done the swap with the toshiba 810HD? Has anyone bought from them before? Thanks again... $650 dollars is a lot of money and I don't want to screw up :) Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 13:47:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13857; Fri, 1 Sep 95 13:47:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06819; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:39:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:39:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06799; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:39:33 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id NAA22032; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:44:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:44:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: "Arturo J. Morales" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 810mb HD In-Reply-To: <9509011259.ZM22579@aaRS.mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Arturo J. Morales wrote: > Ok, so i found a toshiba 810mb HD for $650, which is ~$20 less than RoadWarrior. > The place is WorldWide technologies which is listed in Don's HomePage. > > My questions: > Is this drive going to work w/o a problem? iow, has anyone done the swap with > the toshiba 810HD? Has anyone bought from them before? > > Thanks again... $650 dollars is a lot of money and I don't want to screw up :) WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!! Toshiba makes _2_ series of drives in the 500M and 800M range - one is the short 12.7mm high drives which are just fine. The others are 19mm high which WILL NOT FIT IN THE CADDY! Worldwide may have begun carrying the 12.7mm but when I bought my druve in June they only had the 19mm. They are NOT GREAT about specifications, so look at the model number and data sheet over on Road Warrior and make sure they are the same drives - WW _will_ provide you with the model number. I think the short drives are MKVs and not just MKs, but be sure sure sure! And I'd be clear to anyone you buy from that it's for a laptop upgrade and you want to be able to return it if it's not what you need. Whether you insist on refund and not just exchange is up to you, but the market is plenty big that you can demand something from them... ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "The universe is not in the habit of giving up explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 15:27:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21558; Fri, 1 Sep 95 15:27:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06496; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:16:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:16:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06452; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:16:14 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA21117; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 21:16:00 +0200 Received: (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (940816.SGI.8.6.9/8.6.4) id VAA26880; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 21:15:59 +0200 Message-Id: <199509011915.VAA26880@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 21:15:58 -0600 In-Reply-To: James Bush's message as of Sep 1, 7:00pm X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: James Bush , TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: trumpet On Sep 1, 7:00pm, James Bush wrote: } trumpet works fine with the pcmcia card and serial port modem. but it } will not function using the internal modem. Hmm. I have a 755CE and trumpet worked just fine for me, in the sense of accessing the MWAVE modem and dialing, etc. I haven't used it for SLIP or PPP, so I can't verify that these protocols work, though this should be independent of the port you're using. At the risk of over- simplifying the problem, ensure that your ThinkPad config is consistent with trumpet's. It's easy to forget that your MWAVE modem is usually on COM2, IRQ3, 2F8h, for example, instead of the "regular" serial port at COM1, IRQ4, 3F8h. Also, make sure your modem is initiated under Windows before accessing it via any communication software. I use kermit for comm stuff under DOS/Win, because for me it is more reliable and robust (inasmuch as anything is under that quaint combination of kludgy OS's). Others may differ. Of course, if you want to run NFS over a phone line or something(!), kermit is not the solution. Regards, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 17:06:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29613; Fri, 1 Sep 95 17:06:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19193; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:54:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:54:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19180; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:54:32 -0400 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA18102; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:50:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:50:20 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509012050.NAA18102@netcom6.netcom.com> To: art@aaRS.mit.edu, dwhite@shadow.net Subject: Re: 810mb HD Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU $650 is not such a good price for an 810 meg drive these days. Flipping thru the ads in Computer Shopper I saw some places selling them for under $500. It wasn't clear whether that was a 19mm high unit or 12.5mm, but generally there doesn't seem to be much of a premium for 12.5mm. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 18:06:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07530; Fri, 1 Sep 95 18:06:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25890; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 17:54:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 17:54:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25864; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 17:54:39 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id RAA17087; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 17:59:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 17:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Paul Rubin Cc: art@aaRS.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 810mb HD In-Reply-To: <199509012050.NAA18102@netcom6.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Paul Rubin wrote: > $650 is not such a good price for an 810 meg drive these days. > Flipping thru the ads in Computer Shopper I saw some places > selling them for under $500. It wasn't clear whether that > was a 19mm high unit or 12.5mm, but generally there doesn't > seem to be much of a premium for 12.5mm. That's contrary to my experience. I found the 12.7s were almost $100 more. Of course, this was in late May when they were a little more scarse than now, perhaps it's changed. I'd pay a bit of a premium for returnability personally. Anyone got an idea about current 500M _with_ caddies prices? I'm toying with getting one to run FreeBSD on.... ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "The universe is not in the habit of giving up explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 18:46:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09869; Fri, 1 Sep 95 18:46:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00470; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 18:35:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 18:35:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00455; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 18:35:10 -0400 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA21840; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:32:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:32:13 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509012232.PAA21840@netcom5.netcom.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: 810mb HD Cc: art@aaRS.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU I'm not sure about 19 vs 12mm in 810 meg drives. For 500 meg, there used to be a premium but the price is now about the same. I have an off-brand notebook which can take a 19mm drive but came with a 12.5mm 540 meg drive, which they must have just used for convenience's sake. I see 500 meg drives with thinkpad caddies advertised for $699 but that seems awfully steep. A while back, I remember seeing empty caddies advertised for $179.00 or something like that. Wasn't there some discussion on this list about getting caddies made by a plastics company once? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 19:22:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11546; Fri, 1 Sep 95 19:22:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02204; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:13:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:13:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02185; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:13:02 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA24713; Fri, 1 Sep 95 19:08:17 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9509011908.ZM24711@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:08:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Oops, wrong price... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Actually, the 540mb Hd is $399 sorry 'bout that... Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 19:22:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11601; Fri, 1 Sep 95 19:22:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02171; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:12:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:11:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02161; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:11:57 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA24704; Fri, 1 Sep 95 19:07:12 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9509011907.ZM24702@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:07:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Great Price on 810mb HD... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Well, thanks to all who responded... I found a great price for a 810mb HD at Hard Drives International (Insight) they have the 810mb 12.7mm HD for $537 plus ~$18 for S/H, the only drawback is that there is about a 10 day wait on them... They also have a 540mb HD for (i think) $344... They are New Toshiba Hard drives... (I thought that this was a great price and therefore went ahead an ordered an 810mb HD... Finally, i can run useful applications besides having fun with Linux...) Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 20:06:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14369; Fri, 1 Sep 95 20:06:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06107; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:57:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:56:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06096; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:56:56 -0400 Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA00491; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:54:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:54:05 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509012354.QAA00491@netcom9.netcom.com> To: art@aaRS.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Great Price on 810mb HD... Be careful about "10 day waits"; they have a habit of turning into "10 week waits" or "10 month waits". Whenever I'm skeptical of someone's claims to have something in stock I always ask for federal express overnight shipment. That usually makes them figure out that the item is not in stock after all, if it's not. I saw Compu-D (I think) advertising 810 meg drives for somewhat under $537, but I don't know if those were 12.5mm. I saw Sager advertising 1.3 gig drives (undoubtedly 19mm) for $699 but this probably required buying a Sager computer. Is installing a 19mm-high drive in a Thinkpad totally hopeless even if one is willing to hack up the plastic caddy? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 20:14:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15012; Fri, 1 Sep 95 20:14:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06977; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:05:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:05:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06962; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:05:47 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA07623; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:04:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Paul Rubin Cc: art@aaRS.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Great Price on 810mb HD... In-Reply-To: <199509012354.QAA00491@netcom9.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Paul Rubin wrote: > Is installing a 19mm-high drive in a Thinkpad totally hopeless > even if one is willing to hack up the plastic caddy? When I measured the case in my TP750 many months ago (waaaaay back when 340MB hard drive + caddy cost ~$800 :), the caddy itself is 19mm, the drive is 17mm. If you think you can live without the caddy and just want to use the connector and bare drive, it should fit. Concerns about contaminating the drive with dust/liquid and difficulty removing the connector led me to just buy a 17mm IBM drive at the time. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 1 23:13:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25680; Fri, 1 Sep 95 23:13:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23899; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:00:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:00:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23889; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:00:53 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id XAA09333; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:05:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Great Price on 810mb HD... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, John H. Kim wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Paul Rubin wrote: > > > Is installing a 19mm-high drive in a Thinkpad totally hopeless > > even if one is willing to hack up the plastic caddy? > > When I measured the case in my TP750 many months ago (waaaaay back when > 340MB hard drive + caddy cost ~$800 :), the caddy itself is 19mm, the > drive is 17mm. If you think you can live without the caddy and just want > to use the connector and bare drive, it should fit. Concerns about > contaminating the drive with dust/liquid and difficulty removing the > connector led me to just buy a 17mm IBM drive at the time. I don't think dust and dirt are a big worry - most drives sit inside dirty computer cases and collect dust. However, the drive is mounted upside down, so the circuit board is facing up, risking scratches. I had to trim holes in the case for the mounting posts, and it is still a little snugger fit when I close the keyboard, but it works. I wouldn't advise it though. You could probably take the entire top off if you wanted to.... I'd avoid it unless you really have to. ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "The universe is not in the habit of giving up explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 2 01:44:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07808; Sat, 2 Sep 95 01:44:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07912; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:30:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:30:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07874; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:29:51 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com ([156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA27583 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 22:28:45 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id WAA06920 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 22:24:06 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.email.com id AA810015039 Fri, 01 Sep 95 21:10:39 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 95 21:10:39 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 368 Text Message-Id: <9508018100.AA810015039@espmail.email.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: ThinkPad and Dock Two To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: IBM's new charger Where are people learning about things like the NEW AC POWER SUPPLIES? Is there a mail order company whose catalog lists ThinkPad Accessories? (The one I have only show the notebooks; no disks, docks, cases, etc with the prices.) What 'must have' items do people recommend for the DOCK II? -Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 2 03:47:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12642; Sat, 2 Sep 95 03:47:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17466; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:32:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:32:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from noc4.dccs.upenn.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17456; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:32:38 -0400 Received: from DOLPHIN.UPENN.EDU by noc4.dccs.upenn.edu id AA22425; Sat, 2 Sep 95 03:32:34 -0400 Received: by dolphin.upenn.edu id DAA03117; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:32:34 -0400 From: mtran@dolphin.upenn.edu (Mark Tran) Posted-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:32:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199509020732.DAA03117@dolphin.upenn.edu> Subject: hard drives To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:32:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all, okay, now that prices have dropped considerably on hard drives, i am interested in purchasing one (540 or above) to replace my 170 *ouch*. i've read some stuff about bare drives and drives that come with caddies and the various sizes of drives but am still a bit confused as to which drives will fix in my 755cs. any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks, mark From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 2 03:47:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12647; Sat, 2 Sep 95 03:47:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17019; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:28:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:28:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17009; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:28:08 -0400 Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA09491; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:25:16 -0700 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:25:16 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509020725.AAA09491@netcom18.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: hi! phr@netcom.com has been added to the tp750 mailing list. ----... There's also an archive of the past traffic on the list in ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/archive Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), and what operating system(s) you are using. (send this to the LIST address -- don't just reply to this message!) Hi! I'm a programmer and laptop buff who uses laptops mostly at home (I hardly ever use my desktop machine and plan to get rid of it soon) but also while travelling. I've had 5 Toshibas and watched their quality go down the tubes over the years; I just tried switching to Samsung but those are not so great either. So it looks like I'm about to bite the bullet and get a Thinkpad. It's a used 755CE, 8/540, about 3 months old and supposedly like new. I haven't seen it yet but I'm told it has 2 fairly benign bad pixels. Price is $3300 including the fancy carrying case that IBM sells. I plan to run Linux on it. The slight reservations I have are (1) I'd really prefer a Pentium processor because of its floating point speed (I work on some DSP apps, would like to have a machine to test Pentium-optimized code that I write, etc.); and (2) I fear the 640x480 screen is going the way of 640k RAM machines. I saw Windoze 95 recently and it really wants more pixels. 800x600 would be a start. In other words, I actually want a 755CX, but it's outside my spending limit ($4k, say). If I really regret not getting the Pentium, I can get the IBM upgrade for the 755CE for $950 or so (ouch). But I don't think there's a screen upgrade available, or if there is it will probably cost a bundle. I figure the 760 will flush out some 755CX's, so if I still feel the need next year I might try to unload the CE then and move up. I feel somewhat foolish spending this much for a 486 machine when for $3795 I can get a Samsung 90 mhz Pentium with a 1.3 gig disk. I do need disk space but can live without it for a while and upgrade the 755 when the prices of 1 gig drives get lower. But it looks like Thinkpads have the best laptop keyboards currently made, and I'm very fussy about keyboards. The keyboard is the main thing that bugs me about the Samsung. Is there any market yet in used 755CX's? Does buying the 755CE I described sound like a good plan? Thanks. Paul From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 2 09:19:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00212; Sat, 2 Sep 95 09:19:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22734; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:07:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:07:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22724; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:07:28 -0400 Received: from efd.lth.se (f91el@saturnus-3 [130.235.41.13]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA17046 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 15:07:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199509021307.PAA17046@kobra.efd.lth.se> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Using Adaptec (PCMCIA SCSI withProblem combining PCMCIA SCSI with 810 MB HD? Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 15:07:18 +0200 From: Erik Lindahl Hi, I hveave a n Adaptec (Well, it's reallt y trantor, but sold by awas sold by adaptec..) PCMCIA sSCSI card, SlimsSCSI AAHA+-460. After some initial tweaking, it worked great when mmyith my IBmM 170 MB HD. However, after upgrading to an 810 MB dNon-IBM drive (Although,I t(Iit came with a in a tp"tp-lik"ke" case though..., though...) it wont't find the adapter when booting. If i wswitch back to the esmall170 MB drive (exactly the same configuration i config.sys) it works great. I  The computAnybody Is there anybody who  has 's got a vclue? The computer is a 750C, and I haave udpdated to the lastest BIOS just now..level... Could it be a BIOS bug (oh no!) thatthatbug (oh no!) that has slipped by? Anybody who has a similar configuration working? STnahanx knks in advance, Erik From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 2 09:59:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00628; Sat, 2 Sep 95 09:59:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26934; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:50:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:50:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from coyote.channel1.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26924; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:50:11 -0400 Received: from channel1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by coyote.channel1.com (8.6.9/8.6.4) with UUCP id JAA26501 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:52:32 -0400 Received: by channel1 (NetXpress 2.02) with UUCP id D71592; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:42:48 -0640 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: A couple ez ?s From: bedin@channel1.com (Bedin) Message-Id: <40.1214554.700@channel1.com> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 09:31:00 -0640 Organization: Channel 1(R) 617-864-0100 Info Hello Folks, I have a TP 755c w/170 meg HD...It came w/ PC DOS 6.3 installed and is capable of Disk Compression,, SSTORE/ program. My only ex[perience with compression software was a few years ago with an early version of STACKER. It was a nightmare and i then vowed never to bother with it again..til now....Has anyone had experiece with Superstor/DS ?Is it stable? It seems ez enough to install.. And now for dumb question of the day: Is it good practice to disconnect AC from back of TPad while running..er decide to go mobile without shutting down? And the reverse? Running on battery and then connecting to AC on the fly...? I hope I'm clear.. Thanks to all in advance for the handholding.... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 2 10:58:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08920; Sat, 2 Sep 95 10:58:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02529; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:50:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:49:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02519; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:49:57 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com ([156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA24065; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 07:48:53 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id HAA09117; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 07:44:03 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.email.com id AA810049715 Sat, 02 Sep 95 06:48:35 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 95 06:48:35 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 2311 Text Message-Id: <9508028100.AA810049715@espmail.email.com> To: sandy@sandy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: joe.bormel@palmtop.com Subject: DOCK 2; from thread: re: IBM's new charger >>On Sat, 26 Aug 95, "Joe.Bormel" wrote: >> >>>What 'must have' items do people recommend for the DOCK II? >> >>Do you have the Dock II? I just bought one and haven't installed >>it yet with my 755Cx. I only must have item for me would be the >>"shelf unit" which covers the Dock II (makes it look more like a >>desktop system and supports an external monitor). I'd like to >>compare notes with you if you're using a Dock II. I just got mine (DOCK 2) to facilitate loading CD-ROM software and to open up connectivity via ISA slots and SCSI. I have loaded Win95 and Plus using it. I've got so much new stuff (and a new job) that I haven't had time to figure out how to exploit it, YET! I have a Syquest drive that I use thru a parallel port SCSI that I'd like to connect. I need the cable to connect the external scsi of the dock to a real scsi-2 connector and its not clear where or how to order this cable. I admit that I haven't RTFM. Can we put cheap IDE drives in dock2? Do we need to tie up an ISA slot to do it and are there special settings to avoid conflict with the C: drive's controller? All this stuff will have to wait till I get Mwave working in win95. I think it's just upgrading to the >16 Meg Mwave driver support, but I'm not there yet. I'm also getting "Error writing to drive C:" messages despite daily scandisk runs. Could be a flakey drive, a flakey new operating system, a flakey connection, etc. These will need to be fixed before DOCK 2 play. Joe ____________________________________/\\__________________ |\ _________________________________(o o)__________________\ | | Joe Bormel ooOO-(_)-OOoo | ____|_| ********** ------------- |______ \ | Reston, VA 22091 __|__ E: joe.bormel@palmtop.com | / \ | (703) 758-9277 --o-(_)-o-- | / / |_________________________________________________________| \ /_________) . . . . . . . __|__ (_________\ : : : ^ : : : | __|__ __|__ 3 3 3 o 3 3 3 __|__ | | D D D O D D D | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 2 10:58:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08926; Sat, 2 Sep 95 10:58:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02507; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:49:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:49:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02488; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:48:54 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23012; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:12:13 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA27327; Sat, 2 Sep 95 09:12:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 95 09:12:40 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509021312.AA27327@nile.gnat.com> To: mtran@dolphin.upenn.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: hard drives on note to add at the high end, I just bought a CMS 1.3 gigabyte drive for my TP 775CX, cost $1200 from Rockwell Computers in NYC, immediate availability, seems to work pretty well. Price per meg is higher than the 810, but, assuming price of $600 we have seen here, not too much higher (about 25% higher). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 2 18:06:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07751; Sat, 2 Sep 95 18:06:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09122; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:50:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:50:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09101; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:50:41 -0400 Received: from mail.cybercom.net (dial2-24.cybercom.net [205.198.81.56]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA23156; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:47:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:47:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199509022147.RAA23156@kalypso.cybercom.net> X-Sender: dchan@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Joe.Bormel" From: "Derek V. Chan" Subject: Re: DOCK 2; from thread: re: IBM's new charger Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU At 06:48 AM 9/2/95, you wrote: > >>>On Sat, 26 Aug 95, "Joe.Bormel" wrote: >>> >>>>What 'must have' items do people recommend for the DOCK II? >>> >>>Do you have the Dock II? I just bought one and haven't installed >>>it yet with my 755Cx. I only must have item for me would be the >>>"shelf unit" which covers the Dock II (makes it look more like a >>>desktop system and supports an external monitor). I'd like to >>>compare notes with you if you're using a Dock II. > >I just got mine (DOCK 2) to facilitate loading CD-ROM software and to >open up connectivity via ISA slots and SCSI. I have loaded Win95 >and Plus using it. I've got so much new stuff (and a new job) >that I haven't had time to figure out how to exploit it, YET! > >I have a Syquest drive that I use thru a parallel port SCSI that >I'd like to connect. I need the cable to connect the external >scsi of the dock to a real scsi-2 connector and its not clear where >or how to order this cable. I admit that I haven't RTFM. > >Can we put cheap IDE drives in dock2? Do we need to tie up >an ISA slot to do it and are there special settings to avoid >conflict with the C: drive's controller? I've had nothing but headache trying to put my EZ135 Syquest IDE drive into the Dock II. Has anyone else had problems w/ IDE drives? >All this stuff will have to wait till I get Mwave working in >win95. I think it's just upgrading to the >16 Meg Mwave driver >support, but I'm not there yet. I'm also getting "Error writing >to drive C:" messages despite daily scandisk runs. Could be >a flakey drive, a flakey new operating system, a flakey connection, >etc. These will need to be fixed before DOCK 2 play. > >Joe > ____________________________________/\\__________________ > |\ _________________________________(o o)__________________\ > | | Joe Bormel ooOO-(_)-OOoo | > ____|_| ********** ------------- |______ > \ | Reston, VA 22091 __|__ E: joe.bormel@palmtop.com | / > \ | (703) 758-9277 --o-(_)-o-- | / > / |_________________________________________________________| \ > /_________) . . . . . . . __|__ (_________\ > : : : ^ : : : | __|__ > __|__ 3 3 3 o 3 3 3 __|__ | > | D D D O D D D | > > > > > > > -- "Women...can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em..." -- Tom Arnold (True Lies) Derek V. Chan dchan@cybercom.net chan4@fas.harvard.edu <-- going down on August 18, 1995 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 07:57:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25692; Sun, 3 Sep 95 07:57:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00649; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 07:39:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 07:39:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from www.ezl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00630; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 07:39:49 -0400 Received: (from krisdw@localhost) by www.ezl.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA01926; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 06:47:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199509031147.GAA01926@www.ezl.com> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: TP750 Listserve From: "Kris D. Williams" Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 07:39:44 EST Reply-To: "Kris D. Williams" Subject: Re: suspend recovery problem Addressed to: D. Gwyn Jones TP750 Listserve ** Reply to note from D. Gwyn Jones 08/29/95 10:13am GMT > I've noticed similar resume problems with my 755c when using Warp. And as > has been mentioned in another note stream, the ON/OFF switch is ignored > while in suspend mode. > > I could never even get suspend to work with OS/2 2.11, so when I had this > occasional problem on Warp with resuming from suspend, I put it down to > the oft-discussed bug where suspend/resume is affected if you use a power > on password (like I do). > > However, I've recently discovered that resume is in fact working! If you > have a power on password, it prompts you to type it in on resuming, and > what I have seen is that sometimes when using the LCD, the screen doesn't > come up. However, if you assume it has in fact displayed the prompt and > you enter it normally, then the screen comes to life and OS/2 returns! One of the ways that you can identify this 'Partial Resume' is to look at the 'resume' light. It will blink when it is in this state. > So I guess it is just an issue with resume on Warp sometimes failing to > restart the display at the prompt stage of the process. Since I discovered > this, I have never had suspend/resume fail - it is just 50/50 whether the > password prompt is actually visible. **************************************************************** ********************* * Kris D. Williams email: krisdw@ezl.com <-- Note my new email address * * * * Instructor/Developer: Mobile Platform Education * * IBM Education and Training * * * * Co-Owner: Incomm "Sensible Solutions for the Road Warrior * * * * My opinions are my own. Really they are! * **************************************************************** ********************* From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 09:29:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00162; Sun, 3 Sep 95 09:29:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08369; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:15:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:15:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08355; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:15:26 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id GAA04516; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 06:15:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199509031315.GAA04516@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 95 06:18:16 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Win OS/2 sound on 755Cs/Warp Has anyone on the list gotten Win/OS2 sounds using a TP 755Cs with Warp/Windows and the fixpak applied? My Warp setup works great except that I don't get any system sounds in Windows 3.11. (The OS/2 sounds work great.) Thanks Roger J. Buffington AB6WR USC Law, Class of '97 Go Trojans! WARPing with PM-Mail | "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from | | them (Native Americans). There were great numbers of people who | | needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it | | for themsleves." - John Wayne (actor) | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 11:36:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10206; Sun, 3 Sep 95 11:36:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAB21027; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 11:24:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 11:24:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21008; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 11:23:59 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id IAA06672; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 08:23:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199509031523.IAA06672@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 95 07:59:53 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Warp Fixpak & TP 755Cs For you Thinkpad Warp users, some info on the Warp/Windows fixpak #5: I was unable to get the seamless windows working correctly with straight Warp/Windows. However, after applying the fixpak #5, seamless windows works great. I can now have my windows app icons sit right on the OS/2 desktop, and execute them from there. Much more convenient than having to activate a whole Windows desktop and multitask over to it. Multitasking between the Windows and OS/2 desktops (which I won't be doing much, due to the above) is far faster with the fixpak applied. It used to take around 10 seconds. It now takes about 2. My setup: TP 755Cs, 8MB RAM, 540 MB HDD. Roger J. Buffington AB6WR USC Law, Class of '97 Go Trojans! WARPing with PM-Mail | "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from | | them (Native Americans). There were great numbers of people who | | needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it | | for themsleves." - John Wayne (actor) | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 12:48:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13643; Sun, 3 Sep 95 12:48:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28840; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 12:38:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 12:38:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28830; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 12:38:28 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by alster.port.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA23137; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 12:46:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 12:46:24 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: more: Win95 & APM In-Reply-To: <199509031315.GAA04516@chaph.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU I figured out how to make Win95 sleep safely with my 755CE...pull out the power cord ..then suspend :) ....you can plug it back in safely while asleep ...it's flakey waking up with the power cord in ...so I unplug it when I wake it up too. I guess I can deal with that for now. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 13:14:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15333; Sun, 3 Sep 95 13:14:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29763; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:05:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:05:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29748; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:05:04 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA27926; Sun, 3 Sep 95 13:05:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 95 13:05:25 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509031705.AA27926@nile.gnat.com> To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp Fixpak & TP 755Cs which Fixpak's does Warp Connect include? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 13:15:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15340; Sun, 3 Sep 95 13:15:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29897; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:07:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:07:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29887; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:07:39 -0400 Received: from cyclone.mitre.org (cyclone.mitre.org [128.29.86.13]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA25319 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:07:37 -0400 Received: from mwppp9.mitre.org by cyclone.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01028; Sun, 3 Sep 95 13:07:39 EDT Message-Id: <9509031707.AA01028@cyclone.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@cyclone X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 13:07:05 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: David Hite Subject: Version Determination I recently got a 755CX, and I'd like to find out what verson of BIOS and MWave I have, so I can upgrade to the latest versions, if necessary. Does anybody know how to find out the version numbers? David From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 13:16:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15348; Sun, 3 Sep 95 13:16:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29946; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:08:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:08:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29935; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:08:28 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA27619; Sun, 3 Sep 95 13:03:43 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9509031303.ZM27617@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:03:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Win95 or OS/2? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Well, now that I am going to have anough space to put something else besides linux on my 750Cs, I was wondering what OS to put in and suddenly realized that I had been out of the commercial OS loop for too long :) I know that this is probably a stupid question, but can you run Win95 apps under OS/2? On the same token, can you run NT apps under Win95? How about NT apps under OS/2??? Does Win95 run happily with 8megs? Can i get a floppy distribution of Win95? What CDROMs/PCMCIA-SCSI combinations work with win95? OS/2? Is this info in the TP75x FAQ? Where is the newest version? Thanks in advance for your help... Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 13:55:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19038; Sun, 3 Sep 95 13:55:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01979; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:44:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:44:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01969; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:44:27 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id KAA10310; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 10:44:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199509031744.KAA10310@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 95 10:47:17 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win95 or OS/2? On Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:03:43 -0400 you wrote: >I know that this is probably a stupid question, but can you run Win95 apps >under OS/2? On the same token, can you run NT apps under Win95? How about NT >apps under OS/2??? Win 95 apps will not run under OS/2, nor will OS/2 apps run in Win 95. OS/2 runs extremely well in 8BM. Don't know about Win 95; I do know that my local computer weenies recommend 16MB with Win 95. Win 95 is based on cooperative multitasking, whereas OS/2 Warp uses discrete (true) multitasking. Good luck. Roger J. Buffington AB6WR USC Law, Class of '97 Go Trojans! WARPing with PM-Mail | "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from | | them (Native Americans). There were great numbers of people who | | needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it | | for themsleves." - John Wayne (actor) | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 15:55:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26133; Sun, 3 Sep 95 15:55:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12097; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:44:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:44:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12081; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:44:09 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA12280; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 12:43:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 12:43:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199509031943.MAA12280@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Arturo J. Morales" From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Win95 or OS/2? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU At 01:03 PM 9/3/95 -0400, Arturo J. Morales wrote: >I know that this is probably a stupid question, but can you run Win95 apps >under OS/2? On the same token, can you run NT apps under Win95? How about NT >apps under OS/2??? Most of the NT apps I've tried run in win95, some don't. >Does Win95 run happily with 8megs? Depends on what you mean by happy :) I don't think so, but I don't think windows 3.1 or os/2 run happily in 8 megs either.. I don't think it runs much different from win31 on a speed/ram plot. Are you not running X? Seems like 8megs would bog under X, but I know linux command line runs great even in 4.. >Can i get a floppy distribution of Win95? Sure, but if there's any way you can avoid it, do it! If you have the disk space, the nicest way is to get the cd, then get the files onto your 'pad anyway you can, tape, serial link, modem link (run overnight?) etc.. Then you can install from the harddrive, and you don't have to floppy swap 20 floppies (maybe it's just me, but I *hate* that.) This also lets you easily install/remove components for a while, when you're all set you can just delete the install files. As for whether you want to use win95 or os/2, that's a religeous issue.. I think your best bet is to try them both, they have their strengths and weaknesses. If you don't want to hassle with trying them both, I'd suggest finding someone that can show them both to you at least. Good luck! ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 16:25:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28820; Sun, 3 Sep 95 16:25:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14394; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:15:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:15:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14383; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:15:37 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA09617; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:14:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:14:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: "Roger J. Buffington" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Win OS/2 sound on 755Cs/Warp In-Reply-To: <199509031315.GAA04516@chaph.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 3 Sep 1995, Roger J. Buffington wrote: > Has anyone on the list gotten Win/OS2 sounds using a TP 755Cs with > Warp/Windows and the fixpak applied? My Warp setup works great except > that I don't get any system sounds in Windows 3.11. (The OS/2 sounds > work great.) Try ftp://ftp.pcco.ibm.com/pub/mobiles/tpos2snd.exe It worked on my TP750 and an late gamma version of Warp w/ WinOS2. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 21:14:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19538; Sun, 3 Sep 95 21:14:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10087; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:59:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:59:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from oznet02.ozemail.com.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10076; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:59:07 -0400 Received: from slnew1p01.ozemail.com.au (slnew1p01.ozemail.com.au [203.7.178.17]) by oznet02.ozemail.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA12090 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:59:00 +1000 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:59:00 +1000 Message-Id: <199509040059.KAA12090@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: sturat@ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: sturat@ozemail.com.au (Stuart Allen) Subject: Re: Win95 or OS/2? Hi... Thought I might add.... > >OS/2 runs extremely well in 8BM. Don't know about Win 95; I do know >that my local computer weenies recommend 16MB with Win 95. Yeah, the general recommendation is 16 MB... I run Win95 on a TP360 with 12 MB and it's fine... At home I run it on a DX2-66 with 8 MB and it's _OK_... it churns a bit at times but is quite acceptable... Be careful if you decide to use the DriveSpace compression in Win95. I'd suggest you partition the system separately and *don't* compress the system partition... I did this on my TP to get some extra space (and boy did I get some extra space) but the speed suffered... I'm waiting to get the release version of WIn95, at which time I'll do a full rebuild... it's probably best to completely start from scratch when installing Win95 if possible... rather than installing over 3.11 or whatever... >Win 95 is based on cooperative multitasking, whereas OS/2 Warp uses >discrete (true) multitasking. > Not wanting to be too picky, but Win95 uses both preemptive and cooperative multitasking. Win 3.x used cooperative only. Cooperative mt relies on the application programmers to help keep the system running smoothly... a bad app will hog the system. Preemptive mt puts the operating system in complete control of which apps run when and for how long... so smoother multitasking results... I still think that OS/2 multitasking is the best I've seen on the desktop. On a scale with 3.11 mt at number 1 and OS/2 at number 10 I'd place Win95 at 7. It's pretty good, but an app that is really pounding the disk will be tend to hog the system... Anyway, hope this helped in some small way... Stu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 22:22:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22396; Sun, 3 Sep 95 22:22:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17095; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:12:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:12:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17079; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:12:18 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (worm.hooked.net [199.2.134.13]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA10714; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 19:09:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 19:09:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199509040209.TAA10714@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sturat@ozemail.com.au (Stuart Allen) From: jesse montrose Subject: win95 DriveSpace (was: Win95 or OS/2?) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU At 10:59 AM 9/4/95 +1000, Stuart Allen wrote: >Be careful if you decide to use the DriveSpace compression in Win95. I'd >suggest you partition the system separately and *don't* compress the system >partition... I did this on my TP to get some extra space (and boy did I get >some extra space) but the speed suffered... I'm waiting to get the release >version of WIn95, at which time I'll do a full rebuild... it's probably best >to completely start from scratch when installing Win95 if possible... rather >than installing over 3.11 or whatever... I strongly recommend that anyone using DriveSpace also get the Microsoft Plus Pak. It includes drivespace3, which gives you a lot more control over your compression. It helped my speed a lot, I use standard compression as a default (fast, not much compression), and have a job scheduled to compress files that haven't been used in a week with a much tighter compression. The job runs at night, using the "system agent" (cheesy name, good util) which also comes with the plus pak. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 3 22:44:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24259; Sun, 3 Sep 95 22:44:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20343; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:35:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:35:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20033; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:33:37 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id KAA24549 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:31:14 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199509040231.KAA24549@baijuyi> Subject: Re: Great Price on 810mb HD... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:31:14 +0800 (WAUST) Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text hi, anyone know the specs on the new Quantum Europa line of HDs (540M - 1G). The homepage has a PDF file and I don't have anything here to read these "Adobe Acrobat" formatted files. any comments on them? cheers. __________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 4 09:48:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00603; Mon, 4 Sep 95 09:48:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27976; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:34:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:34:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from thud.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27967; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:34:26 -0400 From: Vaidy Sunderam Received: by thud.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id JAA20747; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:34:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:34:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199509041334.JAA20747@thud.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Help with Win95 & mwave modem/pcmcia I recently installed Win95 on my 755CD, and most things seem to work (reasonably well), except modem functions. - Trying to use the mwave modem always results in "another application is usingthetelephony function" - My USR Sportster28.8 seems to be recognized by the plug&play stuff etc, but applications fail to connect to it to dial out. The other strange thing is that the W95 taskbar shows a pcmcia card plugged in, but the led on the machine goes out. I've tried both the above with HyperTerminal (term emulator) and with "dial up networking" stuff. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Vaidy Sunderam From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 4 13:54:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20390; Mon, 4 Sep 95 13:54:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26222; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:42:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:42:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hades.osc.epsilon.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26208; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:42:47 -0400 Received: by hades.osc.epsilon.com (4.1/3.1.-Epsilon Data Management) id AA05330; Mon, 4 Sep 95 13:45:42 EDT Received: from kosmos.quantum.epsilon.com(159.127.20.130) by hades.osc.epsilon.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005326; Mon Sep 4 13:45:17 1995 Received: from titan by kosmos.epsilon.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02638; Mon, 4 Sep 95 13:42:06 EDT Received: by titan (4.1) id AA01392; Mon, 4 Sep 95 13:42:06 EDT Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:42:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chan T. Cao" To: Vaidy Sunderam Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Help with Win95 & mwave modem/pcmcia In-Reply-To: <199509041334.JAA20747@thud.cs.utk.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's a mwave modem. Did you have the appropriate mwave driver from IBM installed? If not, as far as win95 (or any other OS) is concerned, you don't have a modem. Chan On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, Vaidy Sunderam wrote: > I recently installed Win95 on my 755CD, and most things > seem to work (reasonably well), except modem functions. > > - Trying to use the mwave modem always results in "another > application is usingthetelephony function" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 01:23:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06469; Tue, 5 Sep 95 01:23:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15646; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 01:11:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 01:11:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from balder.ssds.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15625; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 01:11:52 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id XAA26935 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:11:49 -0600 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma026931; Mon Sep 4 23:11:41 1995 Received: from sanjose.ssds.com (sanjose.ssds.com [134.127.10.1]) by denver.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) with SMTP id XAA08944 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:11:41 -0600 Received: from rem_den29 by sanjose.ssds.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AB15126; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:11:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9509050511.AB15126@sanjose.ssds.com> X-Sender: cds@sanjose.ssds.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 00:07:28 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Chris Swanson Subject: DOOM on TP755CE Greetings, Under win'95, I can get sound running for Heretic, but not for Doom (the doom is an older version - commercial). Since they are the same engine, what do I need to do. Regards, -=Chris / Chris Swanson ____/ ____/ ___ / ____/ Engineer ____ / ____ / /__/ / ____ / 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd #993 _______/ _______/ _______/ _______/ Bloomington, MN 55473 business driven technology solutions. (612) 921-2392 FAX (612) 921-2395 Um Yah Yah! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 01:23:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06474; Tue, 5 Sep 95 01:23:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15641; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 01:11:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 01:11:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from balder.ssds.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15624; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 01:11:52 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id XAA26937 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:11:49 -0600 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma026929; Mon Sep 4 23:11:43 1995 Received: from sanjose.ssds.com (sanjose.ssds.com [134.127.10.1]) by denver.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) with SMTP id XAA08936 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:11:37 -0600 Received: from freke-sjc.ssds.com (rem_den29) by sanjose.ssds.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15126; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:11:30 -0700 Message-Id: <9509050511.AA15126@sanjose.ssds.com> X-Sender: cds@sanjose.ssds.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 00:07:24 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Chris Swanson Subject: XF86Config for 755CE Greetings, I am looking for an XF86Config for a 755CE running Linux 1.2.13. The only one I could find was for a 750C. I just have the internal LCD. Also, what server do I need to run (the SVGA, etc.). Regards, -=Chris / Chris Swanson ____/ ____/ ___ / ____/ Engineer ____ / ____ / /__/ / ____ / 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd #993 _______/ _______/ _______/ _______/ Bloomington, MN 55473 business driven technology solutions. (612) 921-2392 FAX (612) 921-2395 Um Yah Yah! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 04:42:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17108; Tue, 5 Sep 95 04:42:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09930; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:35:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:35:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09900; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:35:49 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id KAA14332 (8.6.12/); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:35:26 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:35:26 +0200 Message-Id: <199509050835.KAA14332@asimov.cnam.fr> To: chris.swanson@ssds.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: XF86Config for 755CE re doom go to ftp site ftp.idsoftware.com and get the update pack for your doom to the latest. check your version of doom, say 1.x first. Then get the update from 1.x to 1.9 (this'll fix your problem) and the upgrade from 1.9 to the ultimate doom, ie. the free 9 new levels !! all the best. edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 07:19:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25875; Tue, 5 Sep 95 07:19:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01775; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:12:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:12:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01764; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:12:17 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA00812; Tue, 5 Sep 95 07:12:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 95 07:12:41 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509051112.AA00812@nile.gnat.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 755CX Video I am trying to reinstall WARP on a 755CX to run in 600 x 800 mode, but I can't find the video drivers or procedure anywhere in Area 37 of the IBM bulletin board. Anyone know exactly what I need and where I can get it. Thanks. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 08:24:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29428; Tue, 5 Sep 95 08:24:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09526; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:16:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:16:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iehpc.ihosteng.priv.no by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09512; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:16:06 -0400 Received: (from ivarh@localhost) by iehpc.ihosteng.priv.no (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA19811; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:15:36 +0200 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:15:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Ivar E. Hosteng" To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 755CX Video In-Reply-To: <9509051112.AA00812@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you have ftp accedd the files are on ftp.pcco.ibm.com under the catalog /pub/mobile. Check the file /pub/allfiles.txt for the excact filename. Regards, Ivar E. hosteng email: ivar@ihosten.priv.no On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > > I am trying to reinstall WARP on a 755CX to run in 600 x 800 mode, but I > can't find the video drivers or procedure anywhere in Area 37 of the > IBM bulletin board. Anyone know exactly what I need and where I can get > it. Thanks. > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 10:41:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10086; Tue, 5 Sep 95 10:41:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28590; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:31:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:31:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28576; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:31:20 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA14553 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:31:44 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199509051331.IAA14553@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Win95 or OS/2? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:31:44 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <9509031303.ZM27617@aaRS.mit.edu> from "Arturo J. Morales" at Sep 3, 95 01:03:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I know that this is probably a stupid question, but can you run Win95 apps > under OS/2? On the same token, can you run NT apps under Win95? How about NT > apps under OS/2??? Not Windows apps that use Win32 will run, but Win32s will run okay. I believe that all the new Win apps that have a Windows-compatible sticker on it will be using Win32 (for easy portability to NT, of course) so probably, no, you cannot run most of the new Win95 apps under OS/2. > Does Win95 run happily with 8megs? Can i get a floppy distribution of Win95? > What CDROMs/PCMCIA-SCSI combinations work with win95? OS/2? Win95 runs okay with 8mb RAM. You can get Win95 on floppies. I don't know about the CD-ROM/PCMCIA SCSI options. > Is this info in the TP75x FAQ? Where is the newest version? Er, no. There still is no newest version. It's much busier working than it was being in school! ;) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 15:43:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00126; Tue, 5 Sep 95 15:43:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22486; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:16:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:16:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22474; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:16:21 -0400 Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (liu@localhost) by purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.7davy) id NAA11216; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:31:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199509051831.NAA11216@purcell.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:31:35 -0500 From: Jung-tao Liu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Hi, I have a TP750 with DOCKI and I am trying to install linux on the SCSI HD in DOCKI. However, linux doesn't seem to be able to recognize the SCSI contrr. I found some document which indicate that you solved this kind of problem before. Could you kindly tell me how to solve this problem? I will be very appreciated for that. Thanks From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 15:43:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00132; Tue, 5 Sep 95 15:43:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22909; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:21:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:21:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22899; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:21:12 -0400 From: Received: from PC1-Message_Server by BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU with WordPerfect_Office; Tue, 05 Sep 1995 15:17:41 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 15:13:28 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Specs for IBM ThinkPad 755CV and 755CX Models Additional IBM ThinkPad 755CV and 755CX Models Featuring Pentium Processor and 1.2GB Hard Disk Product Announcement 195-251 Announced on September 5, 1995 In Brief . . . Key Features of the ThinkPad 755CV o Intel** Pentium 75MHz processor o ThinkPad 755CV featuring a choice of 810MB* or 1.2GB* hard disk (ThinkPad 755CX featuring a 1.2GB hard disk as standard) o LCD display subsystem adaptable for overhead presentations o VGA resolution with 64K color support o Standard cooling fan o Infrared DSP o Innovative technology, instant productivity with preinstalled software, and outstanding service and support o OS/2(R) Warp 3.0 with selected BonusPak applications, IBM PC DOS 7, and Windows+ 3.11 preinstalled with SelectaSystem(TM) and a suite of applications Technical Support o ThinkPad EasyServ warranty o International Warranty Service o HelpCenter(R) (800-772-2227) * MB = million bytes and GB = 1000 million bytes when referring to hard files or hard disk drives. ---------------------------------------- New color models of the popular ThinkPad(R) 755 family of notebook computers feature the Pentium** 75MHz processor and a new solution for presentations. An innovative LCD display subsystem highlights the ThinkPad 755CV systems. By removing the cover from the back of the display panel, the panel becomes transparent. By opening the panel to 180 degrees and placing the system on an overhead projector, you can display images just as they appear on your ThinkPad screen -- in over 64,000 colors. The ThinkPad 755CV is equipped with a wireless remote controller that uses the Infrared (IR) capability of the system, and advanced presentation software that helps you generate impressive presentations and navigate through them. For example, with a touch of a button on a remote controller, you can magnify, spotlight, or highlight the screen to emphasize important information. As with other ThinkPad models, the 755CV is a light-weight, battery- or AC-operated computer designed to fit into a briefcase. The ThinkPad 755CV should appeal to business, education, and government professionals who can benefit from a portable system while traveling or at a conference, office, or home. A ThinkPad 755CV system, combined with any one of the four IBM docking solutions, can easily become your primary personal computer, providing an alternative to a desktop system unit. The new model of the ThinkPad 755CX features a 1.2GB hard disk and the Mwave(R) Digital Signal Processor (DSP) as standard. The 755CX has an SVGA Black Matrix TFT display, and gives you 65,536 colors at 800 x 600 resolution. This means more spreadsheet columns on the screen, crisper, sharper display of text and graphics, vibrant color for presentations, and easier viewing of complex images, such as CAD drawings, schematics, and maps. Note: Refer to Hardware Announcement 195-131, dated May 9, 1995, for the preinstalled software, technical information, and other details about the ThinkPad 755CX models that have the DSP as standard. Single Unit Price Range: $5,699 to $6,399 Availability Date: September 5, 1995 (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation ** Company, product, or service name may be a trademark or service mark of others. + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation DESCRIPTION ThinkPad 755CV at a Glance These new additions to the ThinkPad 755 family, through the integration of the following functions, provide function and performance unmatched anywhere in the industry. o Intel** Pentium 75MHz processor o Hard disk: Choice of 810MB or 1.2GB (755CV); 1.2GB (755CX) o Large memory capacity (8MB to 40MB using DIMM memory modules and the Memory Module Adapter) o NiMH battery pack (optional Li-Ion battery pack) o Local bus video with acceleration o Mwave(R) DSP subsystem o 14.4K data/fax modem o Built-in microphone and speaker o Dial volume control o Infrared (IR) transceivers on front and back o TrackPoint III o Full complement of ports for peripheral connections o 240-pin docking connector o Removable 1.44MB floppy diskette drive o Type III PCMCIA slot o Large 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) active matrix displays - 640 x 480 resolution VGA o Preinstalled software -- operating systems and applications: - OS/2 Warp 3.0 with selected BonusPak applications - IBM PC DOS 7 and Windows 3.11 preinstalled with SelectaSystem, allowing you to select the operating system of your choice - A suite of applications preinstalled o Compatibility with 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD ThinkPad systems and IBM docking options o On-screen electronic personalization ThinkPad 755CX -- Additional Information: Refer to Hardware Announcement 195-131, dated May 9, 1995, for the preinstalled software, technical information, and other information about the ThinkPad 755CX models that have the DSP standard. New IBM ThinkPad 755CV Models -- Features and Characteristics The ThinkPad 755CV with a Pentium processor is a new addition to the IBM ThinkPad family offering advanced function. LCD Displays: These models have the 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) Thin Film Transistor (TFT) display with VGA resolution. These are bright active matrix displays. The TFT display provides superior viewing capability and lessens the glare indoors. The 755CV features the new LCD technology providing data projection capability. By removing the LCD cover and putting the computer on an overhead projector, information on the LCD screen is projected on a larger screen. When the LCD cover is installed, this LCD serves as a regular IBM 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) TFT screen. With the appropriate display driver installed, up to 65,536 simultaneous colors can be displayed. Depending on work surface area of the overhead projector and projection-table design, it may be difficult to put the 755CV on the overhead projector so that information is projected right-side-up. It is possible to rotate information on the LCD screen by using a video driver setup. Information can be projected right-side-up by rotating the information 180 degrees on the LCD, and putting the ThinkPad on the overhead projector on the side with more space on it. This rotate function is supported for Windows. OS/2 Warp Version 3 support for a rotate video driver is available through the IBM Personal Computer Company Bulletin Board Service (PCC BBS). Cooling Fan: Now a standard feature, the fan provides more cooling if the ThinkPad 755CV is going to be used on overhead projectors that have bulbs greater than 400 watts or 3,000 lumens. Processor: At the heart of these systems is the Pentium 75MHz microprocessor with an internal cache and floating-point processor, providing exceptional performance. Memory: These new models of the ThinkPad 755CV are designed to use non-parity memory. The systems come standard with 8MB RAM, upgradeable to a total of 40MB using DIMM memory modules with the Memory Module Adapter. The system memory is 24MB when using most IC DRAM cards. Larger than 16MB IC DRAM cards may be available from ThinkPad Proven(TM) vendors. This high-capacity and fast memory (70ns) can handle almost any application the mobile professional may have to execute. PCMCIA: The Type III slot can accommodate either two Type I or Type II, or one Type III PC card. If additional PCMCIA cards are required, the optional ThinkPad PCMCIA cartridge may be placed in the ThinkPad 755CV ThinkPad UltraBay providing an additional Type III slot. The ThinkPad UltraBay not only can accommodate this option, but it can also house the optional 2.88MB FDD, or CDPD module. IBM PC Card Director software is preinstalled and provides support for the latest PCMCIA standard, 2.1. This software enables many PCMCIA cards, allowing the user to simply plug in the card. PC Card Director with Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver: PC Card Director helps you get status and other information on PCMCIA cards installed in the system. In addition, on OS/2 and on Microsoft** Windows, PC Card Director can register an application program for PCMCIA cards and execute them automatically. Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver enable supported PCMCIA cards by sensing them automatically. PCMCIA cards supported by Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver are listed in the Compatibility and Supported Products section. Keyboard and TrackPoint III: The keyboard has the familiar ThinkPad layout with function key capability, allowing you to quickly access system functions, like power management control. The keyboard lifts up to allow access to the FDD bay, memory socket, HDD bay, and battery for quick upgrades or battery changes. The TrackPoint III is an enhanced TrackPoint II(TM) with improved non-slip TrackPoint cap and more accurate pointing capability through improved software. The "drag and drop" function of the click buttons is enhanced. You can lock and hold the buttons in without having to keep pushing on them. Storage: The hard drives are customer-installable and come in capacities of 810MB or 1.2GB. They are easily removed by lifting up the keyboard. You can have multiple "systems" by installing a different hard drive. Systems can also be shared by users who have their own hard drive but no ThinkPad system unit. A 1.44MB FDD drive comes standard. The ThinkPad UltraBay, also standard with the system, is an intelligent bay that switches its pinout signals to allow the installation of an FDD or PCMCIA cartridge in what would normally be just the floppy diskette drive bay. IBM Mwave Digital Signal Processor (DSP): The Mwave MDSP2780 operates at up to 60 million operations per second for integrating audio, games, music, data/fax modem, and telephony into a DSP. Features and benefits include: o 44.1KHz MPC-2 16-bit audio with real-time compression o Simultaneous audio play and record o Digital audio mixing with up to eight open .WAV sources o General MIDI-compatible, 32-voice wavetable synthesizer o Sound Blaster** (Creative Labs, Inc.) support o 14.4 Kbps data/fax modem o Full-featured telephone - Answering machine with variable speed message playback and voice compression - Hands-free, full-duplex speakerphone This feature set can be enhanced simply by upgrading the DSP software. Audio: The audio capability on the system board (DSP) and the integrated microphone allow voice annotation and audio capability. The systems are equipped with audio in/out jacks for stereo speakers/headphone and external microphone. A separate dial volume control is located to the rear of the keyboard on the system. (Refer to the IBM Mwave Digital Signal Processor section for more information on audio capability.) Video: The systems have the VESA local bus support with video acceleration providing exceptional video performance. Infrared (IR): The use of IR is greatly enhanced by the incorporation of Mind Path** Presentation F/X** Pro software on all models and the inclusion of the IR Mind Path Remote Control with the 755CV. During presentations, this combination of Mind Path products on the 755CV allows the system to be controlled remotely through the use of the wireless IR capability. It also enables the use of effects such as magnify, spotlight, and telestrator to be added to the screen during presentations. The system has IR transceivers in front and back for wireless file and data transfer. The ThinkPad 755CV is designed for compliance with the IrDA (Infrared Data Association) IR data link specification Version 1.0. The system supports three modes of operation: o IBM mode (from 57.6 Kbps to 1.15 Mbps) o HP** mode (from 9600 bps to 115 Kbps) o Sharp** mode (9600 bps) Preinstalled software provides wireless file transfer, file synchronization, and clip board data transfer. With the infrared feature, data can be exchanged with the following systems by using the following vendor software packages: System Software Omnibook 300** LapLink Remote Access** HP 100LX** Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX** Sharp Wizard** PC Interface Software, 9000 Link for PCs OZ-990(W)** When using the infrared feature to communicate with these systems, the communications distance may be shorter than when communicating with another ThinkPad 755CV, 755CE, 755CSE, or 755CD, depending on the capabilities of the other systems. The ThinkPad 755CV is shipped with the IR Mind Path Model 55 Wireless Remote Controller Kit and Presentation F/X Pro software. The remote mouse controller communicates with ThinkPad native IR ports (115 Kbps modulation). The remote controller has mouse disk and click buttons to provide full mouse-compatible movement and clicking operation. Special buttons of the remote controller are useful to perform special effects -- highlight, magnify, spotlight -- on projected presentation. Special effects are performed by Presentation F/X Pro software preinstalled on the hard disk drive. It is possible to change the selection of effects and characteristics by using the setup screen of the Presentation F/X Pro software. At the time of shipment, mouse function is supported for DOS, Windows, and OS/2. Special effects by the Presentation F/X Pro are supported for Windows. Presentation F/X Pro upgrade to the OS/2 is presented by Mind Path Technologies in Dallas, Texas. For more details, call 214-233-9296 for customer support sponsored by Mind Path Technologies. Warranty service for the Mind Path Remote Controller is provided by Mind Path Technologies and the controller is a customer-direct return item. Refer to the information included in the 755CV shipping carton or contact Mind Path Technologies at the above number. Other Features: The use of system memory by BIOS is significantly reduced. BIOS uses 96KB of system memory (video, 32KB -- all other, 64KB). The system has the full complement of ports (enhanced parallel port, SVGA, pointer-keyboard, serial). In addition, a 240-pin connector that supports the four IBM docking solutions: o Dock I -- portable docking with a slot and bay o Dock II -- desktop docking with slots, bays, and PCMCIA slots o Port Replicator I -- cable manager with a Type III PCMCIA slot o Port Replicator II -- cable manager only An RJ11 jack is also included because the DSP provides data/fax modem capability with speeds up to 14.4Kbps. The ThinkPad 755CV systems, combined with any one of the four IBM docking solutions, can easily become your primary personal computer, providing an alternative to a desktop system unit. Even without the docking solution, the ThinkPad 755CV easily serves as a primary system with its large color display, high-capacity hard disk, large RAM capability, local bus video, high-performance microprocessor, and two Type II or one Type III PCMCIA slots. Host connectivity is attained with PCMCIA PC cards. Options for ThinkPad 755CV The new ThinkPad 755CV models support most of the options that were announced with the ThinkPad 755CE/CSE/CD. PRODUCT POSITIONING The new ThinkPad 755CV systems are positioned as one of the highest full-function notebook computers in IBM's family of mobile portable systems. PUBLICATIONS The IBM ThinkPad 755CV User's Guide is shipped with each system. The following publications and diskettes are available for separate purchase. To order, call the IBM Software Manufacturing Solution Hotline at 800-879-2755. Order Part Publication Number Number IBM ThinkPad Technical Reference 755CX/CV S19H-1158 30H1652 IBM ThinkPad 755CV User's Guide S30H-1653 30H1653 IBM ThinkPad 755CV Diskettes S30H-1654 30H1654 - Utility - PCMCIA Features - Video Features - Infrared Features IBM ThinkPad 755 Mwave DSP Diskette S30H-1734 30H1734 - Mwave DSP Features IBM ThinkPad Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 The Technical Reference is for programmers, engineers, and others who want to understand the ThinkPad 755CV system unit in greater detail. The publication includes functional specifications, hardware specifications, and pinouts for peripheral connectors. Service Publications (Manuals and Diskettes) Order Part Publication Number Number Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: ThinkPad Computers S82G-1502 30H2357 Hardware Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 The Hardware Maintenance Manual contains service and reference information for IBM ThinkPad computers. The service section includes procedures for isolating problems to a field replaceable unit (FRU), related service procedures, and an illustrated parts catalog. The reference section includes safety information, product description, and general information about system functions. Publications may be ordered from an IBM Authorized Dealer, an IBM representative, or through the Technical Directory. A complete listing of IBM ThinkPad and IBM Personal Computer hardware publications is available by calling the Technical Directory at 800-IBM-PCTB (426-7282). TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment ThinkPad 755CV: The NiMH battery is shipped as standard with these models. Approximate operation hours and charging hours are: Function Hours Power off/suspend charging 1.2 Charging during operation 1.7 Travel Quick Charger 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation (range)(1) 2.0 to 3.0 Optional Feature Battery Pack: The Li-Ion battery approximate operation hours and charging hours are: Function Hours Power off/suspend charging 1.5 to 2.02 Charging during operation 2.0 to 2.5 Travel Quick Charger 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation (range)(1) 3.2 to 10.0 (1) The actual range may vary based on power management, applications used, frequency of keystrokes, options used, or system configuration. Physical Specifications Approximate(2) Dimensions/Weight o Width: 297.0 mm (11.70 in) o Depth: 210.0 mm (8.30 in) o Height: 49.8 mm (1.96 in) o Weight: 3.0 kg (6.6 lb) with battery pack and diskette drive o Li-Ion battery pack: 400 g (0.88 lb) o NiMH battery pack: 540 g (1.19 lb) o FDD: 213 g (0.47 lb) (2) Actual specifications may vary based on features, vendor components, or manufacturing process. Electrical Specifications o Universal AC adapter: 100 to 240 V AC, 2.0 A, 50/60Hz o NiMH battery pack: 8.4 V, 3.5 AH, 1800 mAH/cell, 14-cell/pack Heat Dissipation o 136 Btu/hr maximum Air Temperature for Shipping and Storage o -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) Relative Humidity for Shipping and Storage o 5% to 95% Acoustic Noise Level: Class 3D (office environment) o Sound pressure level (operator position): 40 dB (operating) o Sound power level: 5.1 Bels (operating); 4.8 Bels (idling) Note: The noise emission level stated is the declared (upper limit) sound power level, in Bels, for a random sample of machines, typically configured, and operating in idle mode; for example, powered on, but no DASD read/write or other I/O activity. All measurements are made in accordance with ANSI S12.10, and reported in conformance with ISO 9296. Operating Environment Air Temperature: 0 to 8,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs) to 35(degs)C (41(degs) to 95(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 35(degs)C (50(degs) to 95(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs) to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 29.4(degs)C (85(degs)F) Air Temperature: 8,000 to 10,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs) to 31.3(degs)C (41(degs) to 88(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 31.3(degs)C (50(degs) to 88(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs) to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 25.7(degs)C (78(degs)F) Note: The maximum temperature with system on is linearly decreased from 8,000 feet to 10,000 feet. The ambient temperature when using the 755CV on an overhead projector should be within the following range: Ambient temperature: 0 to 8,000 ft o Without diskette operation: 5(degs) to 30(degs)C (41(degs) to 86(degs)F) o With diskette operation: 10(degs) to 30(degs)C (50(degs) to 86(degs)F) Ambient temperature: 8,000 to 10,000 ft o Without diskette operation: 5(degs) to 26.3(degs)C (41(degs) to 79(degs)F) o With diskette operation: 10(degs) to 26.3(degs)C (50(degs) to 79(degs)F) Relative Humidity o Operating: 8% to 95% (without diskette) o Operating: 8% to 80% (with diskette inside unit) o Storage/shipment: 5% to 95% Altitude o 10,000 ft maximum (3,048 meters) Agency Approvals o System Unit Approvals - FCC Class-B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 FCC ID is ANO85G169 (755CV) - VCCI CLASS 2 (0 db) - CISPR22B - UL-1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 950 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - UK-PTT - JATE - SASO o AC/DC Adapter Approvals - UL-1950 - CSA-C22.2 No. 223 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - SA - SEV - OVE - DENTORI - NOM Software Requirements: The following operating systems support the new ThinkPad 755CV systems. Refer to the Limitations section for support issues unique to each operating system. o IBM PC DOS 7, IBM PC DOS J7.0V o IBM PC DOS J6.3/V o IBM OS/2 Warp, Version 3 o IBM OS/2 Warp, Japanese Version 3.0 o IBM OS/2 2.11 o MS-DOS** 6.22 o Microsoft Windows 95 supported (as tested by an independent laboratory) o Microsoft Windows 3.11/J3.1 o Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11 Systems software supported: o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Entry Version 4.0(3) o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Advanced Version 4.0(3) o IBM Communications Manager/2 Version 1.1 o IBM Database 2(TM) OS/2 Version 1.0 (3) Client function portion only was tested. Compatibility and Supported Products Refer to the 9545 Sales Manual pages, or contact your IBM representative, for a complete list of supported features and options and compatible IBM and vendor software. The Sales Manual is updated periodically. The ThinkPad 755CV systems are designed to be compatible with the PS/2(R). The ThinkPad 755CV systems contain BIOS/Easy Setup/Diagnostics in their Flash ROM and also provide a graphical user interface to set up the system and power management features for OS/2 and Windows users. BIOS provides the hardware instructions and interfaces designed to support the standard features of the ThinkPad 755CV systems and to maintain compatibility with many software programs currently operating under DOS and OS/2 on the Personal Computer XT(TM), Personal Computer AT(R), and the PS/2 family. Devices Supported -- PCMCIA: ThinkPad 755CV systems conform to the PCMCIA PC Card Standard Release 2.01 and the PCMCIA Card and Socket Services Specification Release 2.1, dated July 1993. Other PCMCIA adapters that comply with the PCMCIA PC Card Standard Specification Release 2.01 may also function, but have not been tested by IBM. Feature Part Description Number Number IBM 3270 Emulation Credit Card Adapter 2812 0933315 IBM Token-Ring 16/4 Credit Card Adapter II 8072 0933931 IBM Token-Ring 16/4 Credit Card Adapter III IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10BaseT 3290 0934331 IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10Base2 3280 0934330 IBM 5250 Emulation PCMCIA Adapter 2808 92F3808 IBM 2.4/9.6 Data/Fax Modem Multipack 87G8988 IBM 14.4/14.4 Data/Fax Modem Multipack 87G8989 IBM RS-232 PCMCIA Serial Card 87G9250 IBM Infrared (IR) Wireless Adapter Tethered Transceiver 87G9740 IBM Infrared (IR) Wireless Adapter Integrated Transceiver 87G9743 IBM Mass Storage Card 5MB 70G7344 IBM Mass Storage Card 10MB 70G7345 IBM Mass Storage Card 15MB 70G7346 IBM 1MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7229 Feature Part Description Number Number IBM 2MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7230 IBM Solid State File Card 5MB 40G3166 IBM Solid State File Card 10MB 40G3167 IBM Solid State File Card 20MB 40G3168 IBM Solid State File Card 30MB 40G3169 IBM Solid State File Card 40MB 40G3170 IBM 40MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive (Type III) 7559 70G8495 IBM 105MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive (Type III) 1901 32G4199 Limitations o The 180-degree rotation function of the video device driver is for 256-color and 640 x 480 resolution only. o DOS programs are not supported by the 180-degree rotation video driver. The 180-degree rotation video driver support is only available when using applications under OS/2 Warp Version 3.0 or Windows 3.11. The 180-degree rotation driver for OS/2 Warp (with or without WIN-OS/2(TM)) will be provided through the IBM Personal Computer Company Bulletin Board Service (PCC BBS) by calling 919-517-0001. o The OS/2 version of Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro can be obtained by calling Mind Path Technologies, Inc., at 800-736-6830, or the PCC BBS at 919-517-0001. o Either the Mind Path IR remote controller device driver or the IBM IR device driver can be enabled at any time in the Windows SYSTEM.INI file. It is necessary to disable the Mind Path IR remote controller device driver when the ThinkPad IR port, or an application that uses the COM1 port for data transmittal is used, as this port is used by the Mind Path Remote Controller. In the Infrared panel of the Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro setup program, click the "off" button in the Infrared box to disable the IR remote controller and enable the IBM IR driver. To use the remote controller, click on the ThinkPad Internal button. o If the ThinkPad enters suspend mode while a video is playing, when using Video for Windows and Presentation F/X Pro and the Mind Path Remote Controller, the ThinkPad may not resume properly. Close the Presentation F/X Pro software prior to suspending the system, if a video is playing. o Some optional features or applications may use the COM1 port. OS/2 Warp Version 3 will not load COM.SYS if the COM1 port is already in use. Only one such feature or application that uses the COM1 (for example, communications or PCMCIA) can be used at a time. For example, the Mind Path IR Remote Controller uses the COM1 port and this controller must be disabled to use another application that also uses COM1. o Some special effects of the Presentation F/X program are not effective during motion pictures and digital video playback that frequently access the video buffer. o A wavy pattern may appear in the LCD and/or projected information if the lamp circuit noise of certain overhead projectors interferes with the 755CV LCD display. If this occurs, use an alternative overhead projector. o Do not use the 755CV on an overhead projector that is specifically designed for very large magnification using an extremely bright light source (greater than 575 watt bulb or 6,000 lumens). The high temperature may cause hardware problems. Do not use overhead projectors with greater than 3,000 lumens, or a light source greater than a 400 watt lamp without using the cooling fan. (Refer to the Using the ThinkPad 755CV with an Overhead Projector section.) o The WARP fixpak XR0W005 is required for audio, modem, and printer support if OS/2 Warp Version 3 needs to be reinstalled. o Fixpak XR_A087 is required for audio, data fax modem, and telephony functions under OS/2 2.11. Call 800-992-4777 to get these APAR fixes. o The 65,536 color driver is available in OS/2 Warp Version 3.0. The 65,536 color display driver for OS/2 2.11 or OS/2 for Windows can be obtained from the IBM OS/2 Bulletin Board. o Installation of the software update named WIN311.ZIP is required to use a WIN-OS/2 session when OS/2 for Windows is used under Windows 3.11. WIN311.ZIP is currently available on the PCC BBS by calling 919-517-0001. The PCC BBS is available 24 hours a day on a toll-call basis with no access charge to the bulletin board. o When using the redirector feature of the Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX to exchange data over an infrared link at 115 Kbps, the ThinkPad 755CV should be configured as the requestor. o Telephony and answering machine functions do not support PBX. o Video performance will be reduced when operating under the 64K color mode. o The Mwave MDSP2780 (DSP) does not support cellular phone connection. o The system cannot enter the suspend/hibernation mode when the Sound Blaster emulation mode is enabled in a DOS environment. o The IBM Enhanced Mouse (92G7457) cannot be used with TrackPoint III. When using the IBM Enhanced Mouse, TrackPoint III should be disabled. o Continuous use of the HDD drive, such as reading long video files, will impact battery life. o The fifth PCMCIA slot cannot be identified by the IBM PC Card Director memory device driver when installing the IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA cartridge in the FDD bay of the system unit when the IBM ThinkPad Port Replicator I or ThinkPad Dock II is attached. o The ThinkPad 755CV systems have one memory slot per system. - By using 2MB, 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB IC DRAM optional feature cards, up to 24MB of system memory is possible. Larger than 16MB IC DRAM cards may be available from ThinkPad Proven vendors and can be used. - By using the DIMM technology, the IBM Memory Module Adapter and the 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB memory modules, up to 40MB of system memory is possible. o As the audio and communication features share the hardware resource of Mwave DSP, their concurrent usage has some restrictions. For example, when you are using any of the communication features, you cannot use the MIDI audio capability. o The system is designed so that you can install or remove the PCMCIA card without turning off the system, if the PCMCIA card supports this function. Refer to the instructions that come with the PCMCIA card. o When installing two Type II PCMCIA communications cards in the PCMCIA slot, there may be some cable interference that allows only one card to be used. o PC Card point enablers may write directly to the hardware, bypassing Socket and Card Services Release 2.1. Writing directly to the hardware may cause problems that cannot be anticipated. Also, point enablers may interfere with client device drivers th From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 19:49:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20642; Tue, 5 Sep 95 19:49:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14998; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:39:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:39:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14987; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:39:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA18879; Tue, 5 Sep 95 19:40:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 95 19:40:07 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509052340.AA18879@nile.gnat.com> To: CAHILLRE@BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: New Specs for IBM ThinkPad 755CV and 755CX Models disappointing that this latest announcement does not include the 28.8 DSP modem ... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 22:37:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00287; Tue, 5 Sep 95 22:37:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25254; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:23:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:23:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from thud.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25243; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:23:22 -0400 From: Vaidy Sunderam Received: by thud.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id WAA00661; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:23:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:23:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199509060223.WAA00661@thud.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Mwave modem problems Hi, I'm looking for help or advice ... my tp755cd mwave modem behaves intermittently weirdly ... I've got the latest drivers and have installed both patches .. The problem is with term or similar; about a third of the time it works fine. The rest of the time, atdt results in **an audible dial tone via the speaker** but the command always comes back with "no dial tone" Any pointers would be appreciated .. Vaidy Sunderam From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 5 23:32:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08168; Tue, 5 Sep 95 23:32:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29178; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:20:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:20:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29163; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:20:41 -0400 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA16660; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:17:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:17:51 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509060317.UAA16660@netcom15.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: thinkpad price cuts? Anyone know about Thinkpad price cuts announced today? I wasn't able to find a Tuesday NY Times in the benighted suburb I live in. What's a current good price for a 755CE? What about a 755CX? Thanks. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 6 12:26:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00460; Wed, 6 Sep 95 12:26:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28682; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:06:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:06:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28671; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:06:27 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA28688 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 6 Sep 95 09:06:17 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA21184 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 6 Sep 95 09:06:15 -0700 Received: from arpa.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15993; Wed, 6 Sep 95 09:01:36 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 95 09:01:36 PDT From: skip@berlioz.nsc.com (Skip Smith) Message-Id: <9509061601.AA15993@berlioz.nsc.com> Received: by arpa.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28781; Wed, 6 Sep 95 08:56:43 PDT To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Win95 or NT? Hi, I have a TP755CE and am considering moving from Win3.11 to much overhyped Win95 or possibly NT. I see support from IBM for Win95 but little if any acknowledgement of NT. I'd like to run NT as a development environment, but don't want to sacrifice a lot of the features of my thinkpad. Does anyone have any experience running NT on a pad? Is there PCMCIA and Docking Station support? Does Power Management work? Is there MWAVE Modem and Sound support? What are the gotchas? My apologies if this is in a FAQ somewhere; any advice is appreciated. Regards, Skip Smith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 6 15:35:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19546; Wed, 6 Sep 95 15:35:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14699; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:20:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:20:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from upsmot02.msn.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14683; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:20:33 -0400 Received: by upsmot02.msn.com id AA18078; Wed, 6 Sep 95 10:58:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 95 18:08:41 UT From: "Ronald Shaw" Message-Id: To: "Skip Smith" , "tp750@CS.UTK.EDU"@msn.com Subject: RE: Win95 or NT? I have a tp755, 12Meg. One disk(540 with NT, another (810) with Win95. Both work fine, except with 12Meg NT is very slow. I mainly use my pad for writting Visual C++ programs. A program that compiles in 45 secs under Win95 takes 1min 30 under NT. Unless your have 24Meg or better I would recommend Win95, even then I suspect Win95 would be faster. Dock1, CD-ROM drive, PCMICA modem all work fine with both Ron_Shaw@msn.com ---------- From: Skip Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 1995 12:01 PM To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Win95 or NT? Hi, I have a TP755CE and am considering moving from Win3.11 to much overhyped Win95 or possibly NT. I see support from IBM for Win95 but little if any acknowledgement of NT. I'd like to run NT as a development environment, but don't want to sacrifice a lot of the features of my thinkpad. Does anyone have any experience running NT on a pad? Is there PCMCIA and Docking Station support? Does Power Management work? Is there MWAVE Modem and Sound support? What are the gotchas? My apologies if this is in a FAQ somewhere; any advice is appreciated. Regards, Skip Smith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 6 22:59:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23857; Wed, 6 Sep 95 22:59:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18169; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 22:46:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 22:46:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18159; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 22:46:19 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA33731 for >; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 02:46:16 GMT Message-Id: <199509070246.CAA33731@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip36-193.il.us.ibm.net(129.37.36.193) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaW74Dmb; Thu Sep 7 02:46:10 1995 X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) From: Stephen Hosmer To: Thinkpad Thinkpad Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:48:11 EST Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net Subject: Re: Warp Connect and THinkpads ** Reply to note from Kris Williams 08/17/95 10:27am EST > I switched to Post Road Mailer which is outstanding The very best in OS/2 mailers is PMMail. It works exceptionaly well, and will be out with a new release soon that will make it irresistable. ____________________________________________ Stephen Hosmer CFO Royale Energy Inc hosmer@ibm.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 7 07:47:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25051; Thu, 7 Sep 95 07:47:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26110; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:33:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:33:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26099; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:33:27 -0400 Received: from cyclone.mitre.org (cyclone.mitre.org [128.29.86.13]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id HAA27331 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:33:26 -0400 Received: from dhite-pc.mitre.org by cyclone.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22546; Thu, 7 Sep 95 07:33:36 EDT Message-Id: <9509071133.AA22546@cyclone.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@cyclone X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 07:32:42 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: David Hite Subject: Bios Version Does anybody know how to determine the BIOS version number that's installed on a 755CX? How about the version number of MWave? David From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 7 11:19:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09443; Thu, 7 Sep 95 11:19:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15170; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:03:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:03:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15160; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:03:40 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA02388; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:04:49 GMT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:04:49 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199509071504.PAA02388@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: dhite@mitre.org, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Bios Version If you hold down the F1 key while you power up the 755CX, you will get a configuration menu. Choose "Configure", and then "System". You will get a display showing the BIOS part number and date. It will also show the power management and setup version, as well as some other info. --Ted Baker From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 7 18:22:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14175; Thu, 7 Sep 95 18:22:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20532; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:05:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:05:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20518; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:05:46 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id PAA06833 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:05:37 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199509072205.PAA06833@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 1541 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:04:50 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:04:47 +0000 Subject: TP Error Codes Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 Does anyone know where I can get an exhaustive list of error codes. Recently I have gotten errors 201 and 301. The manual that comes with the TP755 isn't very helpful. Perhaps there is a file on the PCCO FTP site? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 7 19:20:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17592; Thu, 7 Sep 95 19:20:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24229; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:10:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:10:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom14.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24200; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:10:00 -0400 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA25542; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:53:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:53:09 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509072253.PAA25542@netcom14.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 755CX questions There's just been a big price drop on Thinkpad stuff; the 755CE is discontinued but I found a (sleazy sounding) NY dealer selling 8/540 units for $2999! The 755CX 8/540 with Li battery, SVGA, and DSP is $4849 from IBM direct and $4655 by mail order. I had thought a 755CX was too rich for my blood; it really still is, but I'm seriously tempted! A couple questions: 1) Do they manage to make regular text mode fill the whole screen? 2) What about standard VGA? 3) Is there a Linux X server that uses the 800x600 mode? 4) Any idea how expensive NiMH batteries are (does it use the same packs as other 755's?) Spare Li packs are $308, which is scary! 5) Of course it is axiomatic that laptops get better and cheaper very rapidly; but I'm wondering, what is on the horizon that can make the 755cx obsolete? The 760 will be faster and have a bigger display, but does anyone know if the display will be higher resolution? Any idea what other models are coming in the next few months? I plan to buy my next machine by 12/31 for sure, for tax reasons; but would prefer to buy now if I can get rid of my present machine (Samsung Sens 700, dx4/75 12/540 dual scan, asking around $2k, anyone want it?). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 7 19:39:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18536; Thu, 7 Sep 95 19:39:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25377; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:32:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:32:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25366; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:32:11 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA21440; Thu, 7 Sep 95 19:32:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 19:32:27 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509072332.AA21440@nile.gnat.com> To: phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 755CX questions be careful, not all 755CX's have 800 x 600. The low end model is 640 x 480, and has other limitations which i can't remember. I would guess you are asking too much for the Samsung, being realistic ... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 7 20:14:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21713; Thu, 7 Sep 95 20:14:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26984; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:04:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:04:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26973; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:04:49 -0400 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA24399; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:01:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:01:55 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509080001.RAA24399@netcom5.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 755CX screen diagnostic? Thanks for the mention of the 640x480 755CX. IBM Direct did mention that unit (it is $4199 and also has no DSP and has a NiMH battery instead of Li) but the $4655 unit definitely has 800x600. I'm wondering if the 800x600 755CX comes with any kind of diagnostic that tests R, G, and B on all 800x600 pixels. Do those of you with these screens have (m)any bad pixels? Do they bother you much? If there's no built-in diagnostic, anyone know where I can find one elsewhere? Thanks much. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 7 20:41:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23997; Thu, 7 Sep 95 20:41:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29180; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:34:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:34:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29169; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:34:02 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA21695; Thu, 7 Sep 95 20:34:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 20:34:10 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509080034.AA21695@nile.gnat.com> To: phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 755CX screen diagnostic? I have zero bad pixels on my 755CX. The most bad pixels I have had on any TP (700C, 720C, 750C, 755C, 755CD, 755CX) is one (on two of them, the other four were perfect). It is easy to test, you don't need a diagnostic program, just get a DOS window, paint it a solid color, using prompt, and move it around the screen looking for bad pixels, they are easy to spot. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 7 22:13:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00168; Thu, 7 Sep 95 22:13:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05080; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:01:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:01:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom12.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05068; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:01:19 -0400 Received: by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA09093; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:58:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:58:27 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509080158.SAA09093@netcom12.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: great deal on TP disks (if it's true) Kahlon Inc. (a Klingon-owned firm?) in Yorba Linda (home of the Nixon Library, hmmm...) advertises IBM Thinkpad hard drives "with removable case and installation instructions", for $165/395/495/705/695 for 170, 340, 540, 720, and 810 meg respectively. The last is probably a typo since the 810 is not likely to cost less than the 720. Anyone know more about this? It sounds too good to be true. The ad is on p. 491 of the September Computer Shopper. I will give them a call tomorrow, I guess. It's possible that the stuff is refurb, but at $165 for the 170 meg drive, it is worth it for the removable caddy all by itself (to install another drive in). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 01:07:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12431; Fri, 8 Sep 95 01:07:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16048; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:51:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:51:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16038; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:51:49 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01HV0JEOPRXC0011SF@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 00:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: TP Error Codes In-Reply-To: <199509072205.PAA06833@mail.ucsd.edu> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: TOMF@conic.loral.com, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <810535894.84053.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > Does anyone know where I can get an exhaustive list of error codes. > Recently I have gotten errors 201 and 301. You want a copy of the "Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: Thinkpad Computers", part number S82G-1502-02, available by calling 800 879-2755. Cost is US$7.95 - it's definitely worth it, also covers a lot of other Thinkpad models. Billy Y.. PS - 201 is most likely a memory error, 301 is probably a keyboard error or aux. input device (external keyboard/keypad/etc). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 01:46:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15046; Fri, 8 Sep 95 01:46:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18021; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 01:39:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 01:39:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom14.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18011; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 01:39:48 -0400 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA09541; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:27:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:27:58 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509080527.WAA09541@netcom14.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, vwayland@csn.net Subject: Re: great deal on TP disks (if it's true) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:11:11 -0600 To: phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: great deal on TP disks (if it's true) Please post results of your investigaton. Thanks, OK. I called the vendor (Kahlon Inc., 1-800-938-5060) and they said the prices were correct; the 810 meg disk is cheaper than the 720 meg disk because it is on "special". The disks are all refurbs. However, even if one doesn't believe in refurb disks, the 170 meg unit seems like a cheap way to get a caddy to re-use. The vendor says that all the different sizes are in stock. Of course I have no way to know if that is really true, but they didn't sound like they were messing with me. I still haven't ordered a Thinkpad so am holding off buying a disk cartridge too. But I may order a 170 meg cartridge as soon as I get a Thinkpad so that I'll have something to put my 1 gig drive into once those become available. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 09:26:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12700; Fri, 8 Sep 95 09:26:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21358; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:08:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:08:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21341; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:08:30 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA03735; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:46:54 GMT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:46:54 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199509081146.LAA03735@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 755CX screen diagnostic? I have two bad pixels on my 755CX, along the left edge of the screen. They annoy me when the screen and room are dark, but they are outside the region actually used when I am running X11. --Ted Baker From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 12:18:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26868; Fri, 8 Sep 95 12:18:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08354; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:54:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:54:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08338; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:54:53 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sr5Ox-0004uLC; Fri, 8 Sep 95 10:31 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sr5Ow-0002nfC; Fri, 8 Sep 95 10:31 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sr5Os-0002wvC; Fri, 8 Sep 95 10:31 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: great deal on TP disks (if it's true) To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:31:29 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199509080527.WAA09541@netcom14.netcom.com> from "Paul Rubin" at Sep 7, 95 10:27:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > OK. I called the vendor (Kahlon Inc., 1-800-938-5060) and they said > the prices were correct; the 810 meg disk is cheaper than the 720 meg > disk because it is on "special". Did IBM change the form factor of the disk "cartridge" for the CE / CX series? -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 13:37:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06488; Fri, 8 Sep 95 13:37:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17165; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:24:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:24:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17155; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:24:34 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA17333; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:20:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9509081720.AA17333@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Thinkpad 755CX price drops and IBM PC Direct To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:20:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text I just wanted to let people know that anyone who bought a 755CX from IBM PC Direct in the last 30 days ought to take advantage of their undocumented (so far as I know) 30-day price guarantee. If you RECEIVED your machine within the last 30 days and it is now cheaper, call your sales rep for information as to how you can claim a refund for the price difference. It involved faxing them a letter stating your invoice number, prices, etc. which they then submit to their credit department. Considering that the SVGA 755CX 8/540 dropped from $5799 to $4849, it's well worth the time to pursue this refund. Something similar probably also applies to any vendor offering a 30-day return policy -- it's worth a call. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 16:52:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26654; Fri, 8 Sep 95 16:52:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04714; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:37:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:37:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom12.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04696; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:37:47 -0400 Received: by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA21838; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:34:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:34:54 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509082034.NAA21838@netcom12.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP's and heat Browsing the tp750 archives I noticed an old message from Robert Dewar mentioning that the 755cx runs very hot. Does anyone else find this worrisome? Right now I'm using an off-brand machine with a similar problem; it has rubber feet on the bottom which keep about 2mm of airspace under the machine when it is used on a hard surface, and the airspace seems to really help keep it cool. But I use laptops on soft surfaces all the time (e.g. on my bed); if I wanted a machine to use on top of a desk, I'd buy a desktop computer. Does the 755cx also need airspace? Someone else mentioned that the 755CE does *not* have this problem. This surprises me since the CX and CE sound quite similar in design and I thought the 75 mhz Pentium didn't use especially more power than the 100 mhz 486dx4. Can anyone corroborate? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 17:21:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28738; Fri, 8 Sep 95 17:21:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07786; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:14:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:14:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07776; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:13:59 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01HV1HHMFCKW0000BD@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 17:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: TP's and heat In-Reply-To: <199509082034.NAA21838@netcom12.netcom.com> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: phr@netcom.com, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <810594799.662554.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > Someone else mentioned that the 755CE does *not* have this > problem. My 7555CE will get pretty hot sitting on a table, unless I use its little feet to lift it up enough for some air to pass under it. This makes a rather big difference - it stays quite cool. Both the disk and battery get pretty hot otherwise. Billy Y.. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 17:49:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00401; Fri, 8 Sep 95 17:49:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10029; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:40:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:40:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from micros.micros.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09993; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:39:55 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com by micros.micros.com id aa02576; 8 Sep 95 17:38 EDT Received: from cc:Mail by smtplink.micros.com id AA810607188; Fri, 08 Sep 95 17:38:56 EST Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 17:38:56 EST From: "Gerber, Josh" Message-Id: <9508088106.AA810607188@smtplink.micros.com> To: Paul Rubin , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP's and heat My 755Cs gets *extremely* hot on the bottom surface after 1 hour of use unless it's on a hard surface or has airflow underneath. Regards, -josh ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: TP's and heat Author: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) at SMTPLINK-Micros Date: 9/8/95 5:16 PM Browsing the tp750 archives I noticed an old message from Robert Dewar mentioning that the 755cx runs very hot. Does anyone else find this worrisome? Right now I'm using an off-brand machine with a similar problem; it has rubber feet on the bottom which keep about 2mm of airspace under the machine when it is used on a hard surface, and the airspace seems to really help keep it cool. But I use laptops on soft surfaces all the time (e.g. on my bed); if I wanted a machine to use on top of a desk, I'd buy a desktop computer. Does the 755cx also need airspace? Someone else mentioned that the 755CE does *not* have this problem. This surprises me since the CX and CE sound quite similar in design and I thought the 75 mhz Pentium didn't use especially more power than the 100 mhz 486dx4. Can anyone corroborate? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 18:06:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07411; Fri, 8 Sep 95 18:06:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11307; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:53:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:53:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11296; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:53:37 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA25517; Fri, 8 Sep 95 17:52:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 17:52:32 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509082152.AA25517@nile.gnat.com> To: jgerber@smtplink.micros.com, phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP's and heat the CX gets MUCH hotter than the 755C, I always put it up on its feet. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 18:06:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07425; Fri, 8 Sep 95 18:06:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11464; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:54:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:54:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11452; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:54:42 -0400 Received: from oasis.vpia.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 08 Sep 95 17:55:32 EDT Received: from OASIS/MERCURYQ by oasis.vpia.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.21); 8 Sep 95 17:57:36 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by OASIS (Mercury 1.21); 8 Sep 95 17:56:49 EST From: "Guy Farrell" Organization: The UConn Foundation, Inc. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:56:42 EST Subject: Re: TP's and heat Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: <209721416C@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu> Its not just the CPU that produces heat. A recharging battery can become hot enough as to be uncomfortable to hold in the hand. I've dealt with NiCd for many years and now Li. Both charge and rapid discharge result in a surprising amount of heat. Guy W. Farrell Vox: (203)486-5900 The UConn Foundation, Inc. (800)269-9965 U-Box 206 Fax: (203)486-1615 Storrs, CT 06269-4190 E-mail: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 20:38:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16600; Fri, 8 Sep 95 20:38:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21665; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:26:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:26:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21654; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:26:48 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15410; Fri, 8 Sep 95 19:26:36 CDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 19:26:35 CDT Message-Id: <9509090026.AA15410@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: TP Dock II Questions Teemu, Don't have all the answers you are looking for right now but here are the basics: I'm also >interested in the SCSI port so what kind of external connector does >it have (normal Centronics-50 or smaller "SCSI2") ? It is a SCSI2 port (I used a MAC SCSI cable from PC/MAC Connection (1-800-800-1111 in the US) to connect my ZIP Drive. Is it possible >to hook up an internal SCSI drive (with ribbon cable) ? I believe so but I will check and follow up with you in the next day or two. And lastly, >is the SCSI adapter made by Adaptec or IBM ? This might affect the >availability of ASPI and other drivers. Is is an Adaptec adapter but I don't know which one off the top of my head. Again, I will check and let you know. Finally, I think the Dock II is great. I love coming home and simply pugging my machine in to the Dock, taking it in and out without worrying about powering down or disconnecting cables (I am watching Washington Week in Review in my living room after a "hot" undock an hour ago). Talk to soon with the rest of your answers. Joe Wilson Badger Valve & Fitting Milwaukee, WI From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 23:11:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25900; Fri, 8 Sep 95 23:11:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01880; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:02:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:02:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from globalvision.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01858; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:02:35 -0400 Received: by globalvision.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17364; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 22:52:48 +0500 Message-Id: <9509090252.AA17364@ globalvision.net> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Jane Loyless Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:02:13 EST Reply-To: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP's and heat ** Reply to note from phr@netcom.com 09/08/95 1:34pm -0700 My TP755CE developed a terrible overheating problem about 4 weeks after I got it. The battery would suddenly get so hot that you could not touch it, the bottom of the case, or the keyboard. And I do mean suddenly - the first time it happened, I was sitting on the couch with the TP in my lap. It got so hot, so fast that it nearly burned my leg through the bottom of the case and two layers of cloth before I could move it. The first couple of rounds about service just got the battery replaced as it was assumed the battery had shorted out. But it kept happening, and I kept hounding our internal support people (and pointing out that if it didn't get fixed and caused a fire in my house or our office, etc., etc.). To make a long story short, I have on-site service. Two IBM techs came out, took it apart and replaced a number of parts including the DC-DC converter. Now it's barely warm regardless of where I leave it sitting or how long it's on. BTW, they also had to replace the keyboard because the heat had warped it and the mouse buttons stopped working. Jane cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 23:39:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27047; Fri, 8 Sep 95 23:39:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03758; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:34:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:34:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03747; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:34:19 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0srGg8-00010BC; Fri, 8 Sep 95 20:34 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: great deal on TP disks (if it's true) To: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: from "Scott Stratmoen" at Sep 8, 95 10:31:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > Did IBM change the form factor of the disk "cartridge" for the CE / CX > series? No. I use our hard disks interchangably in 750C, 755CE, 755CD, and 755CX machines. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 8 23:49:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28400; Fri, 8 Sep 95 23:49:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04366; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:44:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:44:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04355; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:44:52 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0srGqN-00010BC; Fri, 8 Sep 95 20:44 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: 755CX Spare battry? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad Users List) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Can anyone recommend a good dealer who sells 755CX (Lithium Ion) battries? What should I expect to pay for these? -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 00:18:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29696; Sat, 9 Sep 95 00:18:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06800; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 00:13:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 00:12:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06770; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 00:12:56 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA03236; Sat, 9 Sep 95 00:13:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 95 00:13:12 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509090413.AA03236@nile.gnat.com> To: mehdi@armon.rain.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 755CX Spare battry? The Li-Ion batteries are not easy to find. PC-Direct says maybe that they will have them in about four weeks, and that maybe they will cost about $200. I have not found them cheaper than $299, this is a price quoted by several places. Power Express has them in stock at this price (I just bought two yesterday, and they arrived overnight). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 01:18:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00495; Sat, 9 Sep 95 01:18:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09700; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:12:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:12:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from noc4.dccs.upenn.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09690; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:12:40 -0400 Received: from DOLPHIN.UPENN.EDU by noc4.dccs.upenn.edu id AA23042; Sat, 9 Sep 95 01:12:37 -0400 Received: by dolphin.upenn.edu id BAA32130; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:12:37 -0400 From: mtran@dolphin.upenn.edu (Mark Tran) Posted-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:12:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199509090512.BAA32130@dolphin.upenn.edu> Subject: recharing and batteries To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:12:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have a 755Cs and I only take it out once in a while. Now, my question is, is it okay for me to leave my battery inside the computer so that it is always recharging or should I take it out and just power my TP with the AC adapter when at home? Another problem I'm having is my battery seems to drain itself out when it is not in use. Is this normal or is my battery defective? I've tried discharging it in hopes of solving the problem once but it didn't work. Thanks. Mark From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 01:36:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07271; Sat, 9 Sep 95 01:36:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10319; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:29:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:29:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10309; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:29:30 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA26114; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 22:26:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 22:26:37 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509090526.WAA26114@netcom16.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: More 755CX price cuts coming? Apparently a few new TP's will be introduced in October; but 755CX prices were just cut a lot recently. Anyone think they are likely to fall a lot again in the next 1-2 months? I can probably survive that long w/o a new machine, depending. Alternatively I wonder how likely that a flood of used 755CX's or 755CE's will appear on the market... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 07:45:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26012; Sat, 9 Sep 95 07:45:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08245; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:37:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:37:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08233; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 07:37:24 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA06097; Sat, 9 Sep 95 07:37:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 95 07:37:50 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509091137.AA06097@nile.gnat.com> To: mtran@dolphin.upenn.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: recharing and batteries Nicad batteries loose their charge pretty rapidly outside the machine if not in use. Li-On's are MUCH better in this respect, I see them still at 95% after two weeks, have not tried longer. Li-On's can be left in without much worry, but I can't believe the 90-100% cycling is good for Ni-Cad's. It is a pity there is no setting in the power saving stuff which says forget about the battery and leave it alone. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 09:22:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00159; Sat, 9 Sep 95 09:22:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13598; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 09:15:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 09:15:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13580; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 09:15:22 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0087; Sat, 09 Sep 95 09:11:16 -0400 Message-Id: <9509091311.AA0087@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 316676280866F55185256231004464BF; Sat, 9 Sep 95 09:11:16 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 8 Sep 95 8:29:00 Subject: Re: TP Error Codes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....Does anyone know where I can get an exhaustive list of error codes. Recently I have gotten errors 201 and 301. The manual that comes with the TP755 isn't very helpful...." ~~~~~~~~~~ Call tech support and ask them to fax you the error code pages from the tech ref. I may have a copy at home. If so, I'll get it to you next week. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 12:07:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11177; Sat, 9 Sep 95 12:07:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23452; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:58:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:58:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23441; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:58:20 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id IAA03485; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 08:58:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199509091558.IAA03485@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 95 09:01:13 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: mtran@dolphin.upenn.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: recharing and batteries It is normal for batteries to discharge when not in use. This is normal. You should not leave the battery in the TP while using it in the desktop while charging on AC power, as this shortens the battery's life drastically. ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail |Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, | |in whole or in part. Copyright, 1995. License to distribute this post is | |available to Microsoft for $1,000. Posting without permission constitutes | |an agreement to these terms. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 12:45:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14108; Sat, 9 Sep 95 12:45:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26168; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:38:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:38:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26157; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:38:22 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA11301; Sat, 9 Sep 95 12:38:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 95 12:38:37 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509091638.AA11301@nile.gnat.com> To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu, mtran@dolphin.upenn.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: recharing and batteries "as this shortens the battery's life drastically" says ROger Roger, do you have measurements that show this is the case, or are you guessing from what you think you know? I have tried to measure this effect, and have been unable to do so ... Yes, in theory, it sounds a bad thing to have the batteries doing 90-100% cycling, as I agreed in a recent message. But theory and practice do not always match when it comes to battery life! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 15:34:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24455; Sat, 9 Sep 95 15:34:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05184; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:26:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:26:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05174; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:26:06 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.32] (mac32.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA10643; Sat, 9 Sep 95 15:25:50 EDT Message-Id: <9509091925.AA10643@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:39:24 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: game port Ok, don't tell *anybody* I asked this, but is there any way to attach a ...er...joystick to a tp750 for the purpose of .... playing games. I don't want this to get around, but I've developed a weakness for Flight Simulator, and the trackpoint lacks realism. :) Thanks. ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 16:48:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29302; Sat, 9 Sep 95 16:48:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09571; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:38:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:38:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09561; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:38:24 -0400 Received: from holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05887; Sat, 9 Sep 95 13:37:02 PDT Received: by holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id NAA01001; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 13:37:00 -0700 From: "Robert George" Message-Id: <9509091337.ZM999@holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 13:36:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) "game port" (Sep 9, 3:39pm) References: <9509091925.AA10643@gl.ciw.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: game port Cc: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sep 9, 3:39pm, Victor Kress wrote: > Subject: game port > Ok, don't tell *anybody* I asked this, but is there any way to attach a > ...er...joystick to a tp750 for the purpose of .... playing games. Sure, there are several versions of laptop gameports available. Some connect to the serial port, others connect through the parallel port. Your local computer retailer should have them. If not, grab a copy of the latest Computer Gaming World -- they always have full-page ads for the laptop gameports, in addition to mail-order dealers that carry them. > I don't want this to get around, but I've developed a weakness for Flight > Simulator, and the trackpoint lacks realism. :) Victor, do you recall how much traffic/effort we spent trying to get sound working on Doom? Robert From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 9 19:19:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09143; Sat, 9 Sep 95 19:19:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17853; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 19:09:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 19:09:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17843; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 19:09:56 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08909; Sat, 9 Sep 95 19:09:51 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0055; Sat, 09 Sep 95 19:09:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 95 19:09:39 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9509092309.AA0055@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: josephw@inc.net Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Fri, 8 Sep 95 19:26:35 CDT from josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: TP Dock II Questions Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 19:26:35 CDT From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Is it possible >to hook up an internal SCSI drive (with ribbon cable) ? I believe so but I will check and follow up with you in the next day or two. It is possible. The ribbon cable is included with the dock. And lastly, >is the SCSI adapter made by Adaptec or IBM ? This might affect the >availability of ASPI and other drivers. Is is an Adaptec adapter but I don't know which one off the top of my head. Again, I will check and let you know. It is a custom Adaptec adapter. The BIOS identification string is "Adaptec BIOS:AHA-1532P". From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 05:31:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20069; Sun, 10 Sep 95 05:31:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22772; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:14:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:14:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22762; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:14:05 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA09201; Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:14:33 +0100 Message-Id: <9509100914.AA09201@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:14:32 +0100 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: IDE drive on 755CX I have just ordered an IBM 755CX. Because I would like to install NeXTStep (an OS), with the new NS drivers (at www.next.com) that support 800*600, I need to find a convenient way to install the OS. I have read the FAQ, but it lacks answers in the appropriate sections. The best way would be if I could connect harddisk to a DELL desktop. Optimally, I would like to insert the Thinkpad caddy with the HD into some receptacle, and have it recognized as a second IDE drive. Does anyone produce such a device? (Note: it need not look pretty; this is only for occasional connections.) If this does not exist, is the 755CX disk a standard 2.5" device that can be connected (using the cabling sold by some mail-order vendors), when opened up and removed from the caddy. Is this difficult? Can it be done and returned appropriately, so that the warranty is not spoiled? Help appreciated. (I will post my experience with NeXTStep once it is done.) /ivo welch ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk PS: Does someone have linux instructions? PS: I have just joined the list. In case I have not made it onto the list, please send me a direct email. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 05:59:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21438; Sun, 10 Sep 95 05:59:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00811; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:48:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:48:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.netvision.net.il by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00790; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:48:34 -0400 Received: from TelAviv.netvision.net.il (ts33p2.NetVision.net.il [194.90.3.142]) by mail.netvision.net.il (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20101 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 11:48:20 +0200 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:27:29 PDT From: Ariel Subject: Bios Upgrade ? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How Can I find what Bios version is installed on my TP755c, and where can I find the latest Version to upgrade ? TIA ARIEL From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 05:59:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21443; Sun, 10 Sep 95 05:59:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00840; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:49:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:49:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.netvision.net.il by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00829; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:48:57 -0400 Received: from TelAviv.netvision.net.il (ts33p2.NetVision.net.il [194.90.3.142]) by mail.netvision.net.il (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20176 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 11:48:43 +0200 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:43:10 PDT From: Ariel Subject: TP755c and Kingstone Modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I have a TP755c and Kingstone Fax/Modem 14.4 DataRex, I need the extra Memory that the Card and Socket Services is using, but I can't run the modem with the Enabler ( PCCOMDOS.SYS ) . I have called Kingstone Tec Support with No success ( they could not fix it ) Is There any resson or an IBM "Feture" that do not allow me to use the Enabler ? ( My 3Com Network Card is working with out the card & Socket Services. ) Any Ideas why ? TIA ARIEL From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 05:59:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21445; Sun, 10 Sep 95 05:59:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00807; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:48:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:48:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.netvision.net.il by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00782; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:48:30 -0400 Received: from TelAviv.netvision.net.il (ts33p2.NetVision.net.il [194.90.3.142]) by mail.netvision.net.il (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20074 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 11:48:13 +0200 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:24:40 PDT From: Ariel Subject: Vesa Driver To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Is the VESA Driver Ver. 1.07 ( Vesa.exe 11119 11-27-93 ) the latest Driver and if not where can I find the Latest driver TIA ARIEL From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 07:42:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26887; Sun, 10 Sep 95 07:42:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06091; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 07:33:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 07:33:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06080; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 07:33:28 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id MAA12427 (8.6.12/); Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:37:45 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:37:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199509101037.MAA12427@asimov.cnam.fr> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk Subject: Re: IDE drive on 755CX you'd better know what you're doing for NeXTSTep - I thought the NeXT company specifically recommended users to stay away from ThinkPads ? Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 09:23:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00346; Sun, 10 Sep 95 09:23:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11647; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:14:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:14:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uranus.ubs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11637; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:14:10 -0400 From: Received: by uranus.ubs.com; id PAA14114; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:10:47 +0200 Received: from unknown(137.156.150.131) by uranus.ubs.com via smap (g3.0.1) id sma014112; Sun, 10 Sep 95 15:10:34 +0200 Received: from by sv400net.flur.zuerich.ubs.ch with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA255698835; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:13:56 +0200 X-Openmail-Hops: 2 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 15:12:55 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: IDE drive on 755CX Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-046168e1-00000001" --openmail-part-046168e1-00000001 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="Re: IDE drive on 755CX" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > you'd better know what you're doing for NeXTSTep - I thought > the NeXT company specifically recommended users to stay away > from ThinkPads ? > = > Edmund. = Was so until recently, but Next has just released a video driver for the 755CX, so presumably someone there has tried this combination successfully, and at least somewhat officially. I was quite excited about this news as I do Nextstep development for a living and the SVGA TP would make one of the better mobile platforms for NS, not least of all because the TP shares a bit of the sleek visual aesthetic of the old black Motorola-based NeXTstations we knew and loved :-) However, like Ivo, I'm concerned about the installation. Normally you would have to install Nextstep onto an Intel machine via a SCSI CD-ROM or hard-drive, and I don't think a PCMCIA connection will do for this. = That leaves Ivo's solution of installing it onto the TP IDE drive grafted into a desktop machine, which should work according to the earlier traffic on the list which suggests that the internal connector on the bare drive is a = standard one (warranty be damned, full screwdrivers ahead!). Or, what about using the Dock? Two possibilites here: 1. The Adaptec AHA-1532P internal "custom" adapter is really just a flavour of the Next-supported 1542C, in which case you just attach a CD-ROM and go! 2. The internal adaptor is unsupported, but then you ought to be able to stick a 1540 or 1542 into a free ISA slot while somehow disabling the default adapter. Then again, I wonder if there's something non-standard about how the Dock extends the TP's internal bus that confounds Nextstep? Anyone have any information on this? Oh, and how good is PCMCIA support, 'cause a Nextstation without Ethernet would be a travesty. Ivo? =2D-- Tim Vetter tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII) Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snailmail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland --openmail-part-046168e1-00000001 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="Attachment Modes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 644 Re: IDE drive on 755CX 600 Attachment Modes --openmail-part-046168e1-00000001-- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 09:38:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00451; Sun, 10 Sep 95 09:38:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12768; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:31:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:31:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12758; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:31:29 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id GAA17669; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 06:31:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199509101331.GAA17669@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 06:34:21 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: recharing and batteries On Sat, 9 Sep 95 12:38:37 -0400 you wrote: >">Roger, do you have measurements that show this is the case, or are you >guessing from what you think you know? > >I have tried to measure this effect, and have been unable to do so ... Actually, I base my comment on 3 things: 1) About a year ago, several people here on the list reported that they had more or less ruined batteries from keeping them plugged into the AC charger on a continuous basis for a long time. Therefore, they did, in effect "measure" this. 2) There is a fair amount of technical literature (I'm a radio ham, and therefore I waste my time reading such stuff) that indicates keeping a battery charged such that it stays warm all the time accelerates the chemical reactions inside the battery that cause it to age. This shortens battery life. How good/bad the Thinkpad batteries are in particular in this regards I couldn't say. If the experiences noted in 1) are accurate, however, well.... 3) Please note that my comments had NOTHING to do with the so-called "memory effect" which allegedly causes batteries that are not fully re-charged to "plateau" at a charging level that is less than the rated, optimal level. For example, supposedly a battery that was frequently recharged to only 80% of a full charge, from perhaps being only 50% discharged, will eventually only be able to hold around an 80% charge, due to the "memory effect." In actual fact, the memory effect originated in space satellite applications, where orbiting satellites re-charged their batteries once per orbit, very very regularly, as they moved from shade to sunlight. This "memory effect" had the effect of degrading their batteries, which of course was very expensive since the batteries couldn't be replaced. However, I have read literature from knowledgeable sources that contends that this phenomenon is very rare, and is in fact very difficult to duplicate experimentally in testing laboratories. For practical purposes, it is something folks like us can ignore, so it is said. The memory effect is a different thing than degradation caused by constant charging/recharging. Batteries degrade over time by being charged, partly due to chemical reactions caused by the charging process. Feel your battery after being plugged into the charger. It is warm. Batteries have a finite number of charges per battery life. This fact, combined with reports of real-world degradation by Thinkpad users on this list, is what I based my comments on. I have not, incidentally, experienced the phenomenon myself. However, I've been careful not to abuse my batteries by constantly charging them. Law school is expensive, and I don't need any $200 battery replacement hits. Hope this answered your question about what my comments were based upon. Roger J. Buffington AB6WR USC Law, Class of '97 Go Trojans! WARPing with PM-Mail | "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from | | them (Native Americans). There were great numbers of people who | | needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it | | for themsleves." - John Wayne (actor) | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 09:53:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03492; Sun, 10 Sep 95 09:53:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13510; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:46:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:46:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13474; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:46:43 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16407; Sun, 10 Sep 95 09:47:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 09:47:08 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509101347.AA16407@nile.gnat.com> To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: recharing and batteries note that, unlike some other laptops, the batteries in the Thinkpad are NOT "constantly charging", they only charge when they get down to 90%. It takes FAR longer for them to degrade to this level of charge than it does to top them up, so only a very small fraction of the time are they actually charging. That's why I think the literature that suggests that constant charging may be harmful may not be relevant. When I had a TP using a Nicad, I left one (out of five) batteries constantly plugged in, and did not see any degradation compared to the other four. In fact it was one of the other four that mysteriously conked out. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 10:00:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07531; Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:00:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13982; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:54:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:54:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13971; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:54:33 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16426; Sun, 10 Sep 95 09:55:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 09:55:04 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509101355.AA16426@nile.gnat.com> To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: recharing and batteries "couldn't be replaced. However, I have read literature from knowledgeable sources that contends that this phenomenon is very rare," This may be rare, but it is easy to demonstrate, my camcorder will be happy to demonstrate this phenomenon much more cheaply than the sattellite! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 10:50:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08882; Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:50:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16844; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:42:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:42:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16834; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:42:21 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id HAA18729; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 07:42:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199509101442.HAA18729@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 07:45:13 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: recharing and batteries You are correct that if a ni cad battery has cells of differing quality that you will experience trouble. My understanding is that this is not the memory effect, but rather the fact that the good cells will actually reverse and begin to discharge, while the inferior cells are still charging up. This is why the quality of a battery pack is so important. I don't doubt that IBM did a pretty good job with theirs. They'd be crazy to put an expensive CPU/PROM on a cheap battery. I don't think that they did this. My two batteries still function like new after 1 1/2 years. I guess I'll never get an excuse to get a new 'Pad. :-) ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail |Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, | |in whole or in part. Copyright, 1995. License to distribute this post is | |available to Microsoft for $1,000. Posting without permission constitutes | |an agreement to these terms. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 10:53:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09405; Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:53:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17198; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:47:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:47:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17187; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:47:17 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02604; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:47:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: recharing and batteries In-Reply-To: <9509101347.AA16407@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 10 Sep 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > note that, unlike some other laptops, the batteries in the Thinkpad are > NOT "constantly charging", they only charge when they get down to 90%. > It takes FAR longer for them to degrade to this level of charge than it > does to top them up, so only a very small fraction of the time are they > actually charging. > > That's why I think the literature that suggests that constant charging may > be harmful may not be relevant. For what it's worth, 10 months ago, after leaving my battery plugged in and on AC for over a month, it died. It would hold a charge for about 10 seconds. IBM shipped me a replacement which I was babying so it wouldn't happen again. Well, over a month ago I installed Linux and have been leaving the battery in and on AC continuously since then, except for the rundown once every 10 days or so. Last night I took it off AC. After only an hour of use the light got down to blinking orange. This is a TP750 mono with the NiMH battery so I normally get 3-5 hours out of a charge. I'll probably be giving IBM another call soon. This battery has only had about 50 complete power cycles. You guys have peaked my interest, so I'll do a rundown sometime soon. I'd like to not leave the battery in when on AC, but I'd also like to have the battery in as a backup in case of a power failure. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 11:33:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10619; Sun, 10 Sep 95 11:33:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19550; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 11:26:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 11:26:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19540; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 11:26:22 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id IAA19595; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 08:26:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199509101526.IAA19595@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 08:29:11 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: [Fwd: Re: recharing and batteries] =========BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE========= > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 08:27:48 EDT > From: buffingt@scf.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) > Reply-To: buffingt@scf.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) > To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu > X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 > Subject: Re: recharing and batteries On Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT) you wrote: >You guys have peaked my interest, so I'll do a rundown sometime soon. >I'd like to not leave the battery in when on AC, but I'd also like to >have the battery in as a backup in case of a power failure. Note that if you buy the new portable charger it does not charge the Thinkpad while the 'pad is turned on. Therefore, I use it at home, and my original one on the road. This way I have a battery in the unit at home, as a backup, but I am not abusing it by constantly charging it. On the road, generally I *want* to charge the battery at every chance, since there is the liklihood that I might be somewhere where I don't have ready access to a plug. Roger J. Buffington AB6WR USC Law, Class of '97 Go Trojans! WARPing with PM-Mail | "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from | | them (Native Americans). There were great numbers of people who | | needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it | | for themsleves." - John Wayne (actor) | =========END FORWARDED MESSAGE========= ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail |Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, | |in whole or in part. Copyright, 1995. License to distribute this post is | |available to Microsoft for $1,000. Posting without permission constitutes | |an agreement to these terms. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 12:14:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13213; Sun, 10 Sep 95 12:14:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21996; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:05:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:05:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21978; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:05:45 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16771; Sun, 10 Sep 95 12:06:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 12:06:09 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509101606.AA16771@nile.gnat.com> To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: recharing and batteries] "Note that if you buy the new portable charger it does not charge the Thinkpad while the 'pad is turned on. Therefore, I use it at home, and my original one on the road. This way I have a battery in the unit at home, as a backup, but I am not abusing it by constantly charging it. On the road, generally I *want* to charge the battery at every chance, since there is the liklihood that I might be somewhere where I don't have ready access to a plug." We have discussed this before, what exactly is "the new portable charger", are you talking about the inexpensive AC adaptor, P/N 85G6670, because I certainly see that charging my Li-Ion batteries while the pad is turned on. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 14:46:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23111; Sun, 10 Sep 95 14:46:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00658; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:36:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:36:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00646; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:36:09 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin (5.65/Monsanto1.7) id AA02597; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:34:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:34:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9509101834.AA02597@tin> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto CROP IT, V2K, 4-3207) To: TIN"tp750@cs.utk.edu"@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: game port [Colorado Gameport] re game port on a ThinkPad, I use that well know busines graphics package FS5.0 very well with the Colorado Spectrum notebook gameport, goesinto the serial port and has the seral port then coming out the back of it.It does not work with all flight sims, there is a company that does a lot ofthem, Apache etc, I think it is Spectrum Holobyte, who doesn't support thegameport whic is annoying. Simon ///**************************************************************************// /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // /// Daugherty Systems ||| 314-432-8200 office // /// St Louis ||| 314-257-8018 home // /// ||| 314-694-3207 client office // /// All opinions and thoughts are mine and not those of my employer or client// // Use anything in here at your own risk \\\\\\************************************************************************** \\ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 17:44:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00633; Sun, 10 Sep 95 17:44:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12007; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:33:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:33:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11997; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:33:49 -0400 Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA24464; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:33:17 -0400 Date: 10 Sep 95 17:31:57 EDT From: "Murray E. Milligan" <72704.232@compuserve.com> To: Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Howdy! from new member Message-Id: <950910213157_72704.232_FHP45-1@CompuServe.COM> Hi I'm new to this listserv. I am the proud owner of a TP 340CSE. I know it's not a 7xx series, but I hope to learn a few things about TPs in general. Someday, down the road when I win the lottery, perhaps I can purchase a 7xx...but for now...I'm quite happy with my 340. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 18:01:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07515; Sun, 10 Sep 95 18:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13286; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:54:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:54:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13270; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:54:00 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20368; Sun, 10 Sep 95 16:53:48 CDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 16:53:46 CDT Message-Id: <9509102153.AA20368@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: More TP Dock II Answers Answers missing from my posting from Friday: Don't have all the answers you are looking for right now but here are the basics: Is it possible to hook up an internal SCSI drive (with ribbon cable) ? YES And lastly, >is the SCSI adapter made by Adaptec or IBM ? This might affect the >availability of ASPI and other drivers. Is is an Adaptec adapter. Had no problem recognizing my SCSI Zip Drive. Am also using it w/ OS/2 Warp and it also works like a charm. Joe Wilson Badger Valve & Fitting Milwaukee, WI From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 19:32:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10606; Sun, 10 Sep 95 19:32:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17796; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:23:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:23:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17786; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:23:17 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA00115; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:23:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:23:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Leaving battery in Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, I did the rundown. It turns out the light is turning orange and starting to blink while there's still about 70% charge in the battery. The fuel gauge (not available under Linux) shows the correct percent charge, but the light is inaccurate. Has anyone else had this problem on a TP750? The rundown made it almost to 4 hours (all power saving features turned off). ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 20:45:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16612; Sun, 10 Sep 95 20:45:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20652; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 20:37:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 20:37:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20642; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 20:37:42 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA24236; Sun, 10 Sep 95 20:33:02 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9509102033.ZM24234@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 20:33:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Linux w/810mb HD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Ok, I now have the 810mb HD, and would like to install Linux on some of it... However, I tried getting the dparam.com file from http://www.hooked.net/people/jesse/linux/ and the file is empty... This is a problem, i think, since i don't know the parameters of the disk, and I need them to boot the system (again, I think :) The info on the page is for the 540mb HD, so i was wondering if anyone knew the parameters for the 810. Also, I have an original version of Warp (w/o any of the CSD's applied) Is there anything I need extra to run Warp happily on my 750Cs? besides the Thinkpad Features Disk? Everything I've found seems to pertain to OS/2 2.11 and the installation I did today seemed to work fine, but i haven't tried suspend or anything fancy yet... Thanks in advance! Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 21:37:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20302; Sun, 10 Sep 95 21:37:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23620; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:31:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:31:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23610; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:30:59 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA19546; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:35:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:35:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Thinkpad List Subject: Sound on a 750 under Windows Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone gotten sound recording working on their 750 under Windows? I seem to recall it wasn't working when the pad was released (I didn't care up till a week ago) and now I am unable to get it to work. Am I missing something? ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "The universe is not in the habit of giving up explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 21:45:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20788; Sun, 10 Sep 95 21:45:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23903; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:38:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:38:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23893; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:38:09 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA20110; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:43:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: "Roger J. Buffington" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: recharing and batteries] In-Reply-To: <199509101526.IAA19595@chaph.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 10 Sep 1995, Roger J. Buffington wrote: > Note that if you buy the new portable charger it does not charge the > Thinkpad while the 'pad is turned on. I will mention that I used my pad to dead earlier today, came home, plugged into my portable charger, turned it on, started working constantly, hard drive spinning, PCMCIA Megahertx 14.4 modem on, cover open and backlight on full. Battery charged between when I started at 805p and now, 934p. Machine is a 750 Mono, 12M RAM (ie - higher batery drain than a 4M), 540M HD, Ethernet PCMCIA card in slot 1, Megahertz 14.4k modem in 2) And is _definately_charging_. ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "The universe is not in the habit of giving up explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 21:51:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20826; Sun, 10 Sep 95 21:51:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24125; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:43:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:43:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24115; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:43:32 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA20456; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:48:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:48:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Thinkpad List Subject: 170M IDE drive... in another computer Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I moved a new Toshiba 540 into my case and offered the IBM 170M drive to my brother for his Sanyo 18MB. Like a fool, I agree to install it. It's not working. The machine has a config screen, I'm punching in the specs on the top of the IBM drive - 989 cyls, 10 heads, 34 sectors. No go. I'm wondering if there's some possible difference between the IBM drive and the Connor CP-2064 that came out of this Sanyo (which is really a relabeled Toshiba laptop, by the way) The connor has 2 jumpers, the IBM has none. Does anyone have specs for these two drives or any idea why my problem might be? I know it's not 100% Pad related, but I know a few people have removed smaller drives and may have tried to reuse them. (Besides, I think I'm running in the black on this list as far as contributing anyways, so I don't feel too bad in asking...) ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "The universe is not in the habit of giving up explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 21:59:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21376; Sun, 10 Sep 95 21:59:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24580; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:52:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:52:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24563; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:52:49 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA21114; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:57:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:57:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Paul Rubin Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: great deal on TP disks (if it's true) In-Reply-To: <199509080158.SAA09093@netcom12.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, Paul Rubin wrote: > Kahlon Inc. (a Klingon-owned firm?) in Yorba Linda (home of > the Nixon Library, hmmm...) advertises IBM Thinkpad hard > drives "with removable case and installation instructions", > for $165/395/495/705/695 for 170, 340, 540, 720, and 810 meg > respectively. The last is probably a typo since the 810 is > not likely to cost less than the 720. Saw this and the response saying the 810 is indeed cheaper, could someone please post the phone number so I don't have to spend $3 for a Computer Shopper for this one tidbit...? Also, they take MC/Visa? Do I need an order number? (I wouldn't mind an 810 w/ case so I can put FreeBSD on my current 510 and Windork on my 810) ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "The universe is not in the habit of giving up explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 10 22:48:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23539; Sun, 10 Sep 95 22:48:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26252; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 22:39:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 22:39:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26242; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 22:39:29 -0400 Received: from holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03821; Sun, 10 Sep 95 19:38:13 PDT Received: by holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU id TAA01800; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:38:12 -0700 From: "Robert George" Message-Id: <9509101938.ZM1798@holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:38:11 -0700 In-Reply-To: Don Whiteside "Sound on a 750 under Windows" (Sep 10, 9:35pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Sound on a 750 under Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sep 10, 9:35pm, Don Whiteside wrote: > > Anyone gotten sound recording working on their 750 under Windows? I seem > to recall it wasn't working when the pad was released (I didn't care up > till a week ago) and now I am unable to get it to work. Am I missing > something? Don, if I remember correctly, when I upgraded from a 750C to the 755C, one of the new features was that the 755 had a microphone. Are you sure you've got a microphone? Sound recorder on the 755, btw, has always worked for me. Robert George Army Research Laboratory From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 00:06:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28568; Mon, 11 Sep 95 00:06:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29038; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:56:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:56:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29028; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:56:26 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA00514; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:56:22 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Don Whiteside Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Sound on a 750 under Windows In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 10 Sep 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > Anyone gotten sound recording working on their 750 under Windows? I seem > to recall it wasn't working when the pad was released (I didn't care up > till a week ago) and now I am unable to get it to work. Am I missing > something? It's worked since I first bought my 750 (I was having trouble recording sound under OS/2 so tested it under Windows where it worked), and it works right now for Internet Phone. I did figure out that a mono mic will not work. You have to use a stereo mic. At least that's what I think is going on. Now if someone has it working under Linux, I'd be very interested. :) ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 00:24:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29858; Mon, 11 Sep 95 00:24:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00319; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:17:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:17:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00309; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:17:18 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29565; Mon, 11 Sep 95 00:17:00 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0040; Mon, 11 Sep 95 00:16:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 00:16:41 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9509110416.AA0040@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: art@aaRS.mit.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Sun, 10 Sep 1995 20:33:01 -0400 from "Arturo J. Morales" Subject: Linux w/810mb HD From: "Arturo J. Morales" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 20:33:01 -0400 However, I tried getting the dparam.com file from http://www.hooked.net/people/jesse/linux/ and the file is empty... This is a problem, i think, since i don't know the parameters of the disk, and I need them to boot the system (again, I think :) The info on the page is for the 540mb HD, so i was wondering if anyone knew the parameters for the 810. Newer versions of Linux correctly identify the disk geometry, at least on my 755C installing Slackware 2.2. I've only used the 340 MB internal drive, but I've tried two external IDE drives (728 and 1620 MB) and all are recognized correctly. I'm currently running kernel 1.2.13. It probably isn't necessary for you to know the geometry in advance if you are installing a recent version. Also, I have an original version of Warp (w/o any of the CSD's applied) Is there anything I need extra to run Warp happily on my 750Cs? besides the Thinkpad Features Disk? Everything I've found seems to pertain to OS/2 2.11 and the installation I did today seemed to work fine, but i haven't tried suspend or anything fancy yet... All you should need is the "ThinkPad Utility Diskettes", preferably version 2.00, in order to install the "ThinkPad Features" (I know this is probably what you meant, but I find it helpful to be precise in these matters). The audio, video, and PCMCIA support in Warp works reasonably well, although I suggest installing fixpak #5 at a minimum, and the newer video drivers as well: ftp://ftp.pcco.ibm.com/pub/mobiles/755wd101.exe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 00:29:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00064; Mon, 11 Sep 95 00:29:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00536; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:23:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:23:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00526; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:23:17 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29852; Mon, 11 Sep 95 00:22:58 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0041; Mon, 11 Sep 95 00:22:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 00:22:35 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9509110422.AA0041@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: rel@mail.netvision.net.il Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:27:29 PDT from Ariel Subject: Bios Upgrade ? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 10:27:29 PDT From: Ariel How Can I find what Bios version is installed on my TP755c, and where can I find the latest Version to upgrade ? The most recent version is available by ftp: ftp://ftp.pcco.ibm.com/pub/mobiles/sytps120.exe After you unpack that file and use it to build a floppy diskette, there will be a readme file on the diskette that contains a little table. The table shows the IBM part numbers corresponding to the different BIOS version numbers. Once you have the table in hand, boot your machine into "Easy Setup", select "Config", then select "SystemBoard". You will be presented with a screen showing the part number of your BIOS, among other things. Use the table to convert the part number to the BIOS version. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 05:09:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20333; Mon, 11 Sep 95 05:09:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16730; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:57:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:57:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vmgate by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16720; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:57:21 -0400 Received: from smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk by vmgate (5.0/25-eef) id AA02174; Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:53:14 BST Received: by smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <30540787@smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk>; Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:55:19 GMT From: "D. Gwyn Jones" To: tp750 Subject: FW: game port Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:54:00 GMT Message-Id: <30540787@smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 > > Ok, don't tell *anybody* I asked this, but is there any way to attach a > > ...er...joystick to a tp750 for the purpose of .... playing games. > > Sure, there are several versions of laptop gameports available. Some connect > to the serial port, others connect through the parallel port. Your local > computer retailer should have them. If not, grab a copy of the latest > Computer I have the "Notebook GamePort" from Colorado Spectrum which works fine with Doom, IndyCar Racing, Flight Simulator 4. etc. and plugs into the serial port. The trouble with it is that it realies on software support in the game, so you need to check support for every title. I have since seen PCMCIA joystick cards cheaper than I paid for the GamePort and of course they have the advantage of being 100 percent compatable (I assume) because they just look like a normal joystick card to any game. Regards, Gwyn. dgj@mfltd.co.uk From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 09:38:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09642; Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:38:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11013; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:16:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:16:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dorite1.iquest.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11003; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:16:05 -0400 Received: from ts00-ind-30.iquest.net by dorite1.iquest.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #16) id m0ss8iJ-00061TC; Mon, 11 Sep 95 08:15 EST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 08:15 EST X-Sender: rsimpson@pop.iquest.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: rsimpson@iquest.net (Richard M Simpson III) Subject: Hmmmm.... Hello, I hope that this is the place to send me mail....I have a friend who bought a ThinkPad 360 series...there are several problems, however. The person who bought it, bought it used. The reason it was sold used is because the guy that had it before, forgot the password to the hard drive. IBM keeps telling us that the hard drive is now a WONDERFUL paperweight, but being a Microcomputer Specialist in the military, I am not apt to believe it. There has got to be something out there that will allow us to take this password off of this hard drive...and I looking for it....canna go through IBM, as they want us to buy a new hard drive (go fig, right?). Any help that you can give me will be appreciated. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 09:47:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10203; Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:47:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12148; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:33:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:33:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12138; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:33:49 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id GAA12709; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:33:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199509111333.GAA12709@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 06:13:18 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: dwhite@shadow.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: recharing and batteries] On Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:43:09 -0400 (EDT) you wrote: >On Sun, 10 Sep 1995, Roger J. Buffington wrote: > >> Note that if you buy the new portable charger it does not charge the >> Thinkpad while the 'pad is turned on. And you replied that yours... >>And is _definately_charging_. Interesting. We've all discussed this before. Because my 755Cs is definitely NOT charging while it is on. It does charge when I power down if I leave it plugged in. Someone said I maybe needed a BIOS upgrade. Couldn't find it on Compuserve though... ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail |Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, | |in whole or in part. Copyright, 1995. License to distribute this post is | |available to Microsoft for $1,000. Posting without permission constitutes | |an agreement to these terms. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 09:52:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10509; Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:52:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12532; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:37:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:37:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12522; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:37:53 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.32] (mac32.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA13511; Mon, 11 Sep 95 09:37:44 EDT Message-Id: <9509111337.AA13511@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:51:11 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: video > although I suggest installing fixpak #5 at a minimum, >and the newer video drivers as well: > > ftp://ftp.pcco.ibm.com/pub/mobiles/755wd101.exe Has anybody tried these drivers under warp on a 750 series? There was some question as to whether this file was 755 specific. ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 10:03:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11385; Mon, 11 Sep 95 10:03:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13588; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:51:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:51:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13574; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:51:08 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id GAA03606 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:50:59 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199509111350.GAA03606@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 7840 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:43:55 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:43:54 +0000 Subject: IBM's Win-95 Support Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 I found a site that will be offering Win-95 integration disks today. This is IBM's attempt at Win-95 support. Anyone who has been trying to get Win-95 running should get this disk. http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tpw95.html From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 11:19:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17786; Mon, 11 Sep 95 11:19:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20755; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:07:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:07:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20745; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:07:46 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA27175; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:03:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9509111503.AA27175@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: IBM's Win-95 Support To: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199509111350.GAA03606@mail.ucsd.edu> from "Tom Franklin Tom Franklin" at Sep 11, 95 06:43:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > I found a site that will be offering Win-95 integration disks today. > This is IBM's attempt at Win-95 support. Anyone who has > been trying to get Win-95 running should get this disk. Interesting. This page has been around for a while, but as of at least Friday the 8th, they'd been listing the availability date as 9/25/95. Anyone know in what way the System Disk (sytpe130.exe) has been updated? I notice that it was modified on Sept 7th on ftp.pcco.ibm.com:/pub/mobiles, but haven't downloaded it to compare against the copy I got in mid-August. Also of potential interest is: http://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/software/software.html#thinkpad755 -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 11:59:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21206; Mon, 11 Sep 95 11:59:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25067; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:52:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:52:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from balder.ssds.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25057; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:52:35 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id JAA27022; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:52:21 -0600 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma027011; Mon Sep 11 09:52:15 1995 Received: from freke.ssds.com (rem_den29.ssds.com [134.127.122.29]) by denver.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) with SMTP id JAA16223; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:52:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199509111552.JAA16223@denver.ssds.com> X-Sender: cds@sanjose.ssds.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:47:22 -0500 To: Don Whiteside , Paul Rubin From: Chris Swanson Subject: Re: great deal on TP disks (if it's true) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Greetings, Could someone please send me that phone number as well? Regards, -=Chris At 21.57 95-09-10 -0400, Don Whiteside wrote: >On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, Paul Rubin wrote: > >> Kahlon Inc. (a Klingon-owned firm?) in Yorba Linda (home of >> the Nixon Library, hmmm...) advertises IBM Thinkpad hard >> drives "with removable case and installation instructions", >> for $165/395/495/705/695 for 170, 340, 540, 720, and 810 meg >> respectively. The last is probably a typo since the 810 is >> not likely to cost less than the 720. > >Saw this and the response saying the 810 is indeed cheaper, could someone >please post the phone number so I don't have to spend $3 for a Computer >Shopper for this one tidbit...? Also, they take MC/Visa? Do I need an >order number? (I wouldn't mind an 810 w/ case so I can put FreeBSD on my >current 510 and Windork on my 810) > >========================================================================= > Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science > Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 > GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ > "The universe is not in the habit of giving up > explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton >========================================================================= > > > / Chris Swanson ____/ ____/ ___ / ____/ Engineer ____ / ____ / /__/ / ____ / 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd #993 _______/ _______/ _______/ _______/ Bloomington, MN 55473 business driven technology solutions. (612) 921-2392 FAX (612) 921-2395 Um Yah Yah! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 12:03:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21496; Mon, 11 Sep 95 12:03:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24647; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:49:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:49:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24633; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:49:08 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06327 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:50:19 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199509111450.JAA06327@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: recharing and batteries To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:50:19 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <9509091137.AA06097@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Sep 9, 95 07:37:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Nicad batteries loose their charge pretty rapidly outside the machine if not > in use. Li-On's are MUCH better in this respect, I see them still at 95% > after two weeks, have not tried longer. I've had Li-On out of my machine for over two months with very little loss of charge. It's amazing... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 12:14:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21947; Mon, 11 Sep 95 12:14:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26481; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:06:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:06:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26471; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:06:15 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA00918; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:06:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:06:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Kahlon phone number Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:27:58 -0700 From: Paul Rubin To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, vwayland@csn.net Subject: Re: great deal on TP disks (if it's true) OK. I called the vendor (Kahlon Inc., 1-800-938-5060) and they said the prices were correct; the 810 meg disk is cheaper than the 720 meg disk because it is on "special". The disks are all refurbs. However, even if one doesn't believe in refurb disks, the 170 meg unit seems like a cheap way to get a caddy to re-use. The vendor says that all the different sizes are in stock. Of course I have no way to know if that is really true, but they didn't sound like they were messing with me. I still haven't ordered a Thinkpad so am holding off buying a disk cartridge too. But I may order a 170 meg cartridge as soon as I get a Thinkpad so that I'll have something to put my 1 gig drive into once those become available. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 11 12:59:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26379; Mon, 11 Sep 95 12:59:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00354; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:50:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:50:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mlfire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00336; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:50:07 -0400 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by mlfire.ml.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA19014 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:52:41 -0400 Received: from pport2.firsol.ml.com (pport2.firsol.ml.com [146.125.3.201]) by ml.com (8.6.12/8.6.3) with SMTP id MAA28966 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:49:28 -0400 Received: by pport2.firsol.ml.com (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA11259; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:49:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:49:27 -0400 From: lyip@firsol.ml.com (Luis Yip) Message-Id: <9509111649.AA11259@pport2.firsol.ml.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: DOCK I scsi disk installation X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Hi everyone, I just purchased a used dosk I with a cdrom drive already installed. Is there anyway to install an internal/external scsi disk to this dock??? What kind of software drivers and cables are needed??? thanks -Luis From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 12 00:01:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24775; Tue, 12 Sep 95 00:01:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10093; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:47:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:47:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10081; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:47:05 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA84382 for < tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:47:01 GMT Message-Id: <199509120347.DAA84382@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip168-204.sy.au.ibm.net(129.37.168.204) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaTJsDM2; Tue Sep 12 03:46:56 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 13:42:00 EDT From: jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) Reply-To: (Jack Crawford) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Introduction After lurking here for a few months, I thought it was about time that I introduced myself and my TP. I work in a large government business in Australia and use my TP 750Cs as my main computer both at work and home. I mainly use standard business applications - wordprocessing, database, communications, utilities etc. I am an OS/2 devotee and have run 2.0, 2.1 and now Warp on my 750Cs over the past couple of years. I recently acquired a 32mb DRAM card but I wouldn't say that the system is really flying. I will probably upgrade my TP in the next 12/18 months to one of the new Pentium or PowerPC models (assuming that OS/2 for the PowerPC is a viable proposition). I have a Port Replicator (the one without the frills) and also use fax/modem (Banksia), SCSI (New Media) and Ethernet (3Com) PCMCIA cards. I have already got plenty of useful info from this mailing list and look forward to participating further. Regards Jack Crawford jgcrawf@ibm.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 12 04:49:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16621; Tue, 12 Sep 95 04:49:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25799; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:34:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:34:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25789; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:34:32 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (bass.hooked.net [199.2.134.18]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA21307; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 01:33:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 01:33:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199509120833.BAA21307@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: TP's and heat (solution, kinda) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mine gets extremely hot, and I use it in bed all the time (am right now). I used to put a big hardcover book underneath it (a coffee table book of deserts, as it happens), but I just picked up a great accessory a few days ago. It's from the same company that makes the wetsuit, a thin, flat, hard laptop sized thing, with a foam wrist-rest glued to one side. Works great, it's light enough to take with you, and it was only 20 bucks at "The Good Guys" (average electronics type store). Recommended highly! ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 12 09:18:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07259; Tue, 12 Sep 95 09:18:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17995; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:04:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:04:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17984; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:04:13 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0121; Tue, 12 Sep 95 09:00:17 -0700 Message-Id: <9509121600.AA0121@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id F6F137F17D6F0A3885256235004754AB; Tue, 12 Sep 95 09:00:17 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 8 Sep 95 8:29:00 EDT Subject: Re: TP Error Codes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....Does anyone know where I can get an exhaustive list of error codes. Recently I have gotten errors 201 and 301. The manual that comes with the TP755 isn't very helpful...." ~~~~~~~~~~ Call tech support and ask them to fax you the error code pages from the tech ref. I may have a copy at home. If so, I'll get it to you next week. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 08:43:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13696; Wed, 13 Sep 95 08:43:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07334; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:14:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:14:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub4b.eunet.be by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07306; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:14:48 -0400 Received: from gate.eurocontrol.be by ub4b.eunet.be (ub4b_07) id AA05245; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:17:02 +0200 Received: from hp817s2.mis.eurocontrol.be by gate.eurocontrol.be with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA173614774; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:19:34 +0200 Received: from MISSMTP1 (missmtp1.mis.eurocontrol.be) by hp817s2.mis.eurocontrol.be with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA082473728; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:02:09 +0200 Received: by MISSMTP1 with Microsoft Mail id <3056CA13@MISSMTP1>; Wed, 13 Sep 95 14:09:55 DST From: "PELLATT David, DED/2" To: TP750 Subject: Introduction - Dave Pellatt Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 14:05:00 DST Message-Id: <3056CA13@MISSMTP1> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hi, I have a TP755CX, 540MB HD, 16MB RAM. If anyone can help me out, I'd be most grateful. My machine came pre-installed with Windows and Warp but on a single DOS partition. I've created an HPFS partition (drive D:) and installed Warp (from floppy) onto this. All the Thinkpad utility diskettes install ok, but trying to install the Video drivers (from the diskette created by the Diskette Factory) bombs out complaining that it can't "open or create archive file". IBM are looking into it but haven't got an answer yet, so I'm left having to use a VGA screen if I want to use Warp. I still have the pre-installed copy of Warp on the DOS partition, which includes the correct graphics drivers. Could I easily copy part of the graphics set-up from one to the other ??? If so, which files do I need ? or will this screw everything up ? Thanks in advance, Dave Pellatt From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 08:45:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13866; Wed, 13 Sep 95 08:45:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08143; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:26:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:26:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub4b.eunet.be by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08109; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:25:56 -0400 Received: from gate.eurocontrol.be by ub4b.eunet.be (ub4b_07) id AA06161; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:28:03 +0200 Received: from hp817s2.mis.eurocontrol.be by gate.eurocontrol.be with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA172024151; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:09:12 +0200 Received: from MISSMTP1 (missmtp1.mis.eurocontrol.be) by hp817s2.mis.eurocontrol.be with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA082473728; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:02:09 +0200 Received: by MISSMTP1 with Microsoft Mail id <3056CA13@MISSMTP1>; Wed, 13 Sep 95 14:09:55 DST From: "PELLATT David, DED/2" To: TP750 Subject: Introduction - Dave Pellatt Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 14:05:00 DST Message-Id: <3056CA13@MISSMTP1> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hi, I have a TP755CX, 540MB HD, 16MB RAM. If anyone can help me out, I'd be most grateful. My machine came pre-installed with Windows and Warp but on a single DOS partition. I've created an HPFS partition (drive D:) and installed Warp (from floppy) onto this. All the Thinkpad utility diskettes install ok, but trying to install the Video drivers (from the diskette created by the Diskette Factory) bombs out complaining that it can't "open or create archive file". IBM are looking into it but haven't got an answer yet, so I'm left having to use a VGA screen if I want to use Warp. I still have the pre-installed copy of Warp on the DOS partition, which includes the correct graphics drivers. Could I easily copy part of the graphics set-up from one to the other ??? If so, which files do I need ? or will this screw everything up ? Thanks in advance, Dave Pellatt From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 09:54:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18195; Wed, 13 Sep 95 09:54:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14069; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:31:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:30:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14037; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:30:56 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id GAA21726; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 06:30:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199509131330.GAA21726@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 06:33:47 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: PELLATTD@HARDED1.MIS.EUROCONTROL.BE, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Introduction - Dave Pellatt On Wed, 13 Sep 95 14:05:00 DST you wrote: n HPFS partition (drive D:) and installed Warp >(from floppy) onto this. All the Thinkpad utility diskettes install ok, but >trying to install the Video drivers (from the diskette created by the >Diskette Factory)> Hi Dave. I'm a long time user of Warp on my TP 755Cs dinosaur. Question for you: I thought Warp users were supposed to use the video drivers with Warp, rather than the ones for the Thinkpad. No? If not, what's the difference? Thanks! ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 ----------------------------- AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail | "If you run with wolves, howl like them." Old English proverb From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 11:29:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23158; Wed, 13 Sep 95 11:29:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22405; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:07:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:07:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22385; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:07:03 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA10509; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:09:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:09:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: "PELLATT David, DED/2" Cc: TP750 Subject: Re: Introduction - Dave Pellatt In-Reply-To: <3056CA13@MISSMTP1> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, PELLATT David, DED/2 wrote: > > My machine came pre-installed with Windows and Warp but on a single DOS > partition. I've created an HPFS partition (drive D:) and installed Warp > (from floppy) onto this. All the Thinkpad utility diskettes install ok, but What's the objective here? If you would just rather be on HPFS (and using your entire drive) perhaps it would be best for you to seek out a copy of Partition Magic and just _convert_ the partition to HPFS. I'm sure someone here has a copy of a mailing - I get them on every other tuesday. Looks like a neat tool, but I'd find someone to go in with on the purchase - WAY too expensive for a one-time use product... (~$60) ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ #tar -cvf /* /dev/tape, how goddam hard is that?? ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 13:56:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06324; Wed, 13 Sep 95 13:56:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06353; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:40:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:40:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06323; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:40:37 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA31409; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:45:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9509131645.AA31409@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Value of PartitionMagic (was Re: Introduction - Dave Pellatt) To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Sep 13, 95 11:09:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Don Whiteside wrote: > Looks like a neat tool, but I'd find someone to go in with on the > purchase - WAY too expensive for a one-time use product... (~$60) I guess it's a matter of how one values that "one-time use". I've used PM once to reorganize and resize the partitions on my desktop system in order to make room for installing Win95. I was able to move freespace from HPFS partitions to FAT partitions, move space out of ext/logical partitions to increase my small DOS primary partition, etc. I moved or modified every partition on a pair of 420M disks. Basically, I was able to do in half an evening what would have otherwise taken the entire weekend and then some if I'd done the old system of backup, repartition, pray, and restore. (I *did* do a backup though) I place the value of my weekends at much more than $60, so even if I never use PartitionMagic again, I feel I got more than my money's worth. Additionally, having PM around changes how you view adjusting partition sizes. I never get it perfectly right the first time out with any new disk drive; used to be I just lived with it 'til I had time. Now it's very easy to move things around if you find one partition is getting a little full and you have another partition on that disk which has excess free space. A few minutes with PM and everything's set. I expect to use it at least once more when I get around to wiping WarpConnect from my desktop system. I will be able to easily delete those partitions and fold them into the partitions I use under Win95. (Lest this dissolve into an OS-war, which does not belong here, let me just say that despite all of Warp's good points, FOR MY SPECIFIC USES, Win95 does a better job; if someone wants me to go into the specific details, email me directly) -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 15:34:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12407; Wed, 13 Sep 95 15:34:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16142; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:03:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:03:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16128; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:03:45 -0400 Received: (from ean@localhost) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA17890 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:03:02 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=ca/ADMD=telecom.canada/C=ca/; Relayed; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:59:44 UTC-0700 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:59:44 UTC-0700 X400-Originator: goldberg@cs.ubc.ca X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=ca/ADMD=telecom.canada/C=ca/;950912225944] Content-Identifier: 5840 From: "Murray W. Goldberg" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <"5840*goldberg@cs.ubc.ca"@MHS> Subject: TP and Freebsd Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Ean X.400 to MIME gateway) Hi. A question for you freebsd users out there. I've installed freebsd on my thinkpad 360C. I've gotten the keyboard working fine with the following config lines: device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector pcrint options "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" # pcvt running on FreeBSD 2.1 options "PCVT_SCANSET=2" The problem is that my trackpoint mouse is never recognized. I have the following line in the kernel config file: device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmint r The psm0 device is probed and it is claimed that "psm0: not found at 0x60". Probing it manually (at boot -c) returns 0. According to my documentation, this truely is a ps/2 style mouse at irq 12 and port 0x60. Did any of you find the same thing? Any advice? I appreciate your help. I would like to run X (difficult without a mouse)! Murray From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 15:38:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12420; Wed, 13 Sep 95 15:38:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18011; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:22:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:22:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17997; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:22:45 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA27815; Wed, 13 Sep 95 20:21:09 +0100 Message-Id: <9509131921.AA27815@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 19:21:09 GMT To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Hi: I just got my TP 755CX. Looks very nice so far. I am planning to install NeXTStep over the weekend. We will see. [0] Apparently noone makes a desktop receptor for Thinkpad caddies. Some members of this list have looked and failed to find such. [1] Is there a Thinkpad-mode compatible IR receptor for desktops for sale anywhere? (i.e., the type that can transfer about 1MBit/sec). [2] How much disk space is OS/2-Warp taking (it ships with the 755CX)? Is there a way to cleanly remove it? [3] There appears to be a TCP/IP directory on the disk, but I cannot figure out how to access/use it. I want to hook up a pocket connector. Anybody know how? I will summarize any positive responses later to the group. Regards, /ivo welch From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 19:16:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29788; Wed, 13 Sep 95 19:16:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09403; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:58:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:58:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09393; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:58:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id SAA18668; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:58:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199509132258.SAA18668@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: "Murray W. Goldberg" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP and Freebsd In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:59:44 PDT." <"5840*goldberg@cs.ubc.ca"@MHS> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:57:56 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > Hi. A question for you freebsd users out there. I've installed freebsd on my > thinkpad 360C. [...] > The problem is that my trackpoint mouse is never recognized. I have yet to find a*BSD mouse driver that recognizes the trackpoint. The easiest fix is to hack the mouse driver to always assume that the trackpoint is there, instead of trying to probe it. Keith Moore From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 22:04:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13015; Wed, 13 Sep 95 22:04:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21233; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:55:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:55:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21194; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:55:03 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA08694; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:59:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:59:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Keith Moore Cc: "Murray W. Goldberg" , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP and Freebsd In-Reply-To: <199509132258.SAA18668@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Keith Moore wrote: > > Hi. A question for you freebsd users out there. I've installed freebsd on my > > thinkpad 360C. [...] > > The problem is that my trackpoint mouse is never recognized. > > I have yet to find a*BSD mouse driver that recognizes the trackpoint. > The easiest fix is to hack the mouse driver to always assume that the > trackpoint is there, instead of trying to probe it. There has been discussion of this on the FreeBSD mailing list in the not so distant past. Send a missive off to questions@freebsd.org, there are a few people there with FreeBSD on 'Pad experience, and I'm sure a few mentioned getting the trackpoint to work. ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ #tar -cvf /* /dev/tape, how goddam hard is that?? ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 13 22:59:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16692; Wed, 13 Sep 95 22:59:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25107; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:48:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:48:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25093; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:48:33 -0400 Received: from mail.cybercom.net (dial2-18.cybercom.net [205.198.81.82]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA23927 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:44:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:44:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199509140244.WAA23927@kalypso.cybercom.net> X-Sender: dchan@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "Derek V. Chan" Subject: Question of someone w/ Dock II I know this may be a lot..but would anyone try installing a Caviar (Western Digital) drive into their Thinkpad Dock II? I'm now convinced there's a hardware problem w/ my dock ii...but ibm refuses to acknowledge that it exists. Basically, I can't install ANY IDE drives and get them recognized by the thinkpad. -- ***************************************************************************** NIVEN: "There exist other minds that think as you do" Corollary: "The gene-tampered turkey sitting next to you isn't necessarily one of them" Derek Chan (chan4@fas.harvard.edu, dchan@cybercom.net) ***************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 00:24:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23005; Thu, 14 Sep 95 00:24:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01721; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:16:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:16:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01711; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:16:21 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22717; Thu, 14 Sep 95 00:16:00 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0090; Thu, 14 Sep 95 00:15:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 00:15:37 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9509140415.AA0090@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dchan@cybercom.net Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:44:50 -0400 from "Derek V. Chan" Subject: Question of someone w/ Dock II Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:44:50 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" I know this may be a lot..but would anyone try installing a Caviar (Western Digital) drive into their Thinkpad Dock II? I'm now convinced there's a hardware problem w/ my dock ii...but ibm refuses to acknowledge that it exists. Basically, I can't install ANY IDE drives and get them recognized by the thinkpad. I installed a 1620 MB Caviar into my Dock II last week. It works fine, is recognized by OS/2 and Linux. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 09:54:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28487; Thu, 14 Sep 95 09:54:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17629; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:36:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:35:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub4b.eunet.be by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17595; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:35:53 -0400 Received: from gate.eurocontrol.be by ub4b.eunet.be (ub4b_07) id AA04531; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:38:00 +0200 Received: from hp817s2.mis.eurocontrol.be by gate.eurocontrol.be with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA011106030; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:40:31 +0200 Received: from MISSMTP1 (missmtp1.mis.eurocontrol.be) by hp817s2.mis.eurocontrol.be with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA280915624; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:33:44 +0200 Received: by MISSMTP1 with Microsoft Mail id <30582FA9@MISSMTP1>; Thu, 14 Sep 95 15:35:37 DST From: "PELLATT David, DED/2" To: TP750 Subject: TP755 MWave DSP & hard drive options... Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 15:35:00 DST Message-Id: <30582FA9@MISSMTP1> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Q1. Anyone know when 28.8K modem software will be available ? Q2. Is there any way to improve the sound quality of DOS games ? I'm enabling Soundblaster support, on the MWave DSP, with MWGAMES ON but the sound is very quiet and rather muffled. Is that as good as it gets or have I missed something (probably) ??? Q3. Is there a possibility to replace the floppy drive with a hard drive unit (i.e. can I have two hard drives) ? Thanks, Dave Pellatt From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 13:47:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17395; Thu, 14 Sep 95 13:47:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09803; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:19:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:19:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09793; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:19:27 -0400 Received: from cyclone.mitre.org (cyclone.mitre.org [128.29.86.13]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA16606 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:19:09 -0400 Received: from dhite-pc.mitre.org by cyclone.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18556; Thu, 14 Sep 95 13:19:24 EDT Message-Id: <9509141719.AA18556@cyclone.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@cyclone X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:17:53 -0400 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: David Hite Subject: Why not the long cord? I just opened the box containing one of the small, lightweight AC adapters for the 755, and in it there was an "instruction manual", actually one small sheet of paper, with a picture of the adapter, a picture of a long AC cord, and a picture of the short AC cord that comes with the adapter. There was one of those circles with a slant thru it (indicating "don't do this") printed over the picture of the long AC cord. Anybody know why you shouldn't use a long cord with the AC adapter? Not that I particularly want to, but I'm curious as to why they'd go to the trouble to tell you not to do it. David From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 14:39:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22430; Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:39:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14597; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:23:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:23:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blackhole.fultech.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14578; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:23:33 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by blackhole.fultech.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) id OAA00655 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:21:52 -0400 Received: from jade.fultech.com(172.16.10.6) by internet via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma000652; Thu Sep 14 14:21:07 1995 Received: from omega.fultech.com by jade.fultech.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09024; Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:23:31 EDT Received: by omega.fultech.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10980; Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:23:31 EDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:23:31 EDT From: scottn@fultech.com (Scott Newman) Message-Id: <9509141823.AA10980@omega.fultech.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: removing hibernation files I my 755CD is running Win95, upgraded from Win 3.11. I would like to remove the 25MB hibernation file from my disk because I don't use hibernation (I don't trust it) and I desparately need the disk space. When I select the "More..." dialogue in the Thinkpad Power utility, I see a button labelled "Enable Hibernation" amongst all of the other options. If I click on that button, I get told that I can enable hibernation while I have a PC card in use. It seems that the system does not see the hibernation file, so I had been hoping that by enabling hibernation, it would find the existing file. Can someone please recommend a way to get rid of the hibernation file? I would like to just delete it, but I am concerned that the file location is stored somewhere special and the system might write on the disk in that location, whether the file is there or not. Thanks very much, Scott From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 17:36:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09686; Thu, 14 Sep 95 17:36:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00731; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:09:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:09:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dill.lcs.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00721; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:09:49 -0400 From: Received: by dill.lcs.mit.edu; id AA05871; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:09:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9509142109.AA05871@dill.lcs.mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: dmoore@dill.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Selling 16 MB for TP755 - what's reasonable price? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 17:09:41 -0400 X-Mts: smtp Could I get some honest opinions on what is a reasonable price to ask for my Kingston 16 MB memory module? (fits under the disk drive compartment) It's used, works fine. Thanks, -Drew (not reading the group - please email) dmoore@dill.lcs.mit.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 18:23:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12430; Thu, 14 Sep 95 18:23:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06029; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:12:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:11:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06012; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:11:57 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA29285; Thu, 14 Sep 95 18:12:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 18:12:09 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509142212.AA29285@nile.gnat.com> To: dmoore@dill.lcs.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Selling 16 MB for TP755 - what's reasonable price? 16MB cards can be purchased new for about $700, maybe a bit cheaper if you shop around. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 18:28:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12623; Thu, 14 Sep 95 18:28:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06644; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:20:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:20:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mik.uky.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06615; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:20:04 -0400 Received: from nx55.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA22844; Thu, 14 Sep 95 18:19:55 -0400 From: rodney d slone Message-Id: <9509142219.AA22844@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx55.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA11321; Thu, 14 Sep 95 18:19:52 -0400 Subject: Re: removing hibernation files To: scottn@fultech.com (Scott Newman) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9509141823.AA10980@omega.fultech.com> from "Scott Newman" at Sep 14, 95 02:23:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text "Scott Newman wrote the following ..." > >I my 755CD is running Win95, upgraded from Win 3.11. I would like to remove run Linux :) >the 25MB hibernation file from my disk because I don't use hibernation (I >don't trust it) and I desparately need the disk space. When I select the >"More..." dialogue in the Thinkpad Power utility, I see a button labelled >"Enable Hibernation" amongst all of the other options. If I click on that >button, I get told that I can enable hibernation while I have a PC card in >use. It seems that the system does not see the hibernation file, so I had >been hoping that by enabling hibernation, it would find the existing file. It is really easy to find the file using windoze 3.11 filemangler. Just make sure you are looking at all files including hidden and system files (etc) The file is something like pm_hiber.bin and is located in c:\ The only problem that you might have is that the computer recreates the file each time it is booted up. > >Can someone please recommend a way to get rid of the hibernation file? I >would like to just delete it, but I am concerned that the file location is >stored somewhere special and the system might write on the disk in that >location, whether the file is there or not. You can use the space easily if you can keep the file off the disk. > >Thanks very much, > >Scott > Later, -- Rodney Daryl Slone | "Grounds are pretty common." - me Electrical Engineering Senior | Nail here [] for a new monitor. University of Kentucky / 94.3% of all statistics are 87% worthless. e-mail: rdslon01@mik.uky.edu | Xerox never comes up with anything original. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 19:09:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16611; Thu, 14 Sep 95 19:09:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09720; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:02:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:02:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mik.uky.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09703; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:02:45 -0400 Received: from nx55.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA25888; Thu, 14 Sep 95 19:02:41 -0400 From: rodney d slone Message-Id: <9509142302.AA25888@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx55.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA11489; Thu, 14 Sep 95 19:02:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 19:02:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.1 5/02/90) To: dmoore@dill.lcs.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Selling 16 MB for TP755 - what's reasonable price? Robert Dewar wrote: >16MB cards can be purchased new for about $700, maybe a bit cheaper if >you shop around. I bought mine for 645 (this includes shipping second day fed express and all other prices) I would suggest around 550 I guess. -- Rodney Daryl Slone | "Grounds are pretty common." - me Electrical Engineering Senior | Nail here [] for a new monitor. University of Kentucky / 94.3% of all statistics are 87% worthless. e-mail: rdslon01@mik.uky.edu | Xerox never comes up with anything original. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 20:12:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22090; Thu, 14 Sep 95 20:12:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13147; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:06:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:06:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13133; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:06:35 -0400 Received: from mail.cybercom.net (dial2-5.cybercom.net [205.198.81.69]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04995; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:02:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:02:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199509150002.UAA04995@kalypso.cybercom.net> X-Sender: dchan@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Chris Hanson From: "Derek V. Chan" Subject: Re: Question of someone w/ Dock II Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Whoops...sorry..forgot...more questions... I just wrote >Hmmm..what kind of configuration do you have and what jumper setting (dual >master/slave, etc...) on the caviar did you use? I'm using an IBM >Thinkpad 750C w/ the dock ii...latest system revision... I'm also using the caviar 1280....does the thinkpad just recognize the large hard drive w/out a bios upgrade? i.e. you just plug in the hd and play? thanks. -- ***************************************************************************** NIVEN: "There exist other minds that think as you do" Corollary: "The gene-tampered turkey sitting next to you isn't necessarily one of them" Derek Chan (chan4@fas.harvard.edu, dchan@cybercom.net) ***************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 20:13:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22098; Thu, 14 Sep 95 20:13:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13048; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:05:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:05:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13021; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:05:18 -0400 Received: from mail.cybercom.net (dial2-5.cybercom.net [205.198.81.69]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04933; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:01:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:01:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199509150001.UAA04933@kalypso.cybercom.net> X-Sender: dchan@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Chris Hanson From: "Derek V. Chan" Subject: Re: Question of someone w/ Dock II Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU At 12:15 AM 9/14/95 -0400, you wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:44:50 -0400 > From: "Derek V. Chan" > > I know this may be a lot..but would anyone try installing a Caviar (Western > Digital) drive into their Thinkpad Dock II? I'm now convinced there's a > hardware problem w/ my dock ii...but ibm refuses to acknowledge that it > exists. Basically, I can't install ANY IDE drives and get them recognized > by the thinkpad. > >I installed a 1620 MB Caviar into my Dock II last week. It works >fine, is recognized by OS/2 and Linux. > Hmmm..what kind of configuration do you have and what jumper setting (dual master/slave, etc...) on the caviar did you use? I'm using an IBM Thinkpad 750C w/ the dock ii...latest system revision... -- ***************************************************************************** NIVEN: "There exist other minds that think as you do" Corollary: "The gene-tampered turkey sitting next to you isn't necessarily one of them" Derek Chan (chan4@fas.harvard.edu, dchan@cybercom.net) ***************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 20:16:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22223; Thu, 14 Sep 95 20:16:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13425; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:11:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:11:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13405; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:11:17 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 20:10 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: dchan@cybercom.net Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:02:45 -0400 from "Derek V. Chan" Subject: Question of someone w/ Dock II Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:02:45 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" >Hmmm..what kind of configuration do you have and what jumper setting (dual >master/slave, etc...) on the caviar did you use? I'm using an IBM >Thinkpad 750C w/ the dock ii...latest system revision... I set up the caviar as dual slave; I've got a 755C. I'm also using the caviar 1280....does the thinkpad just recognize the large hard drive w/out a bios upgrade? i.e. you just plug in the hd and play? I am running BIOS 1.15, which is pretty recent -- I think some of the older BIOS versions won't recognize EIDE drives. With this configuration, I just set the jumper on the caviar to dual slave, plugged in the drive, and rebooted -- and the drive was recognized. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 20:22:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22425; Thu, 14 Sep 95 20:22:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13757; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:16:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:16:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pointer.netpoint.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13737; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:16:36 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (ix-mia4-01.ix.netcom.com [199.183.196.129]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01330 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:14:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199509150014.UAA01330@pointer.netpoint.net> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.03) From: Bill Schwartz To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:16:28 EST Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: Dram Cards Good price for a 16meg dram card is $625.00. I am using one in a 755ce running warp. It is a MPM card and is handled by a local exporter. If anybody needs more information about the cards e-mail me for contact information. Bill HIGH PERFORMANCE CARTRIDGES INC PO BOX 545890 SURFSIDE, FL. 33154 Fax 1-305-864-7367 URL: http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/hpcart.html This message is printed with 100% recycable photons From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 14 22:05:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28443; Thu, 14 Sep 95 22:05:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21093; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:58:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:58:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inforamp.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21080; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:58:05 -0400 Received: from mail.inforamp.net (ts8-05) by inforamp.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24982; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:57:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:57:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9509150157.AA24982@inforamp.net> X-Sender: plexxus@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk From: plexxus@inforamp.net (John Allman) Subject: Re: IRDA data transfer (AirPort) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU >To: Ivo Welch >From: plexxus@inforamp.net (John Allman) >Subject: Re: IRDA data transfer > >Ivo Welch asked: >> >>[1] Is there a Thinkpad-mode compatible IR receptor for desktops for sale >>anywhere? (i.e., the type that can transfer about 1MBit/sec). >> >Yes. Adaptec has a new product, the name of which escapesme at the moment, that will do this. There are two pieces available. One conects to the serial port of non Infra red port equipped machines. (Which you do not require.) The second connects to your desktop system's serial port and has a short (maybe 3 foot or 1 metre) cable. The software supplied is Lap-Link like in it's functionallity. My guess is that the unit you need is under US$100.00. > >If you need more details, send me a note and I will dig out the data sheet. (Which is at the office and I am not.) Any decent reseller should be able to obtain this for you. > >John > I found the data sheet to day. The product is the Adaptec AirPort. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | John Allman |Creativity is the sudden cessation | | Plexxus Technologies Inc. |of stupidity. - Edwin Land | | Markham (Toronto), Ontario | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 04:14:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22200; Fri, 15 Sep 95 04:14:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15622; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:00:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:00:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15591; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:00:02 -0400 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:59:47 +0200 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 15 Sep 95 09:59:46 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 09:59:46 +0200 Message-Id: <9509150759.AA19894@octave.chorus.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Selling 16 MB for TP755 - what's reasonable price? > > 16MB cards can be purchased new for about $700, maybe a bit cheaper if > you shop around. > I've seen some ads in PC Magazine at $679 and even $599. -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 07:24:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29249; Fri, 15 Sep 95 07:24:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04033; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:11:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:11:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iehpc.ihosteng.priv.no by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04020; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:11:22 -0400 Received: (from ivarh@localhost) by iehpc.ihosteng.priv.no (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA16760; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:11:01 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:10:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Ivar E. Hosteng" To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: PCMCIA trouble Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a 755CX machine with the thelepony kit installed. I also have a PCMCIA GSM (Cellular) modem card. What I want is to get the two modems and the internal serial port working at the same time under OS/2. I am unable to get the PCMCIA modem to work on a interrupt other than 3 or 4 under OS/2. Under linux it works great under linux on interrupt 9,11 or 15. I have tried altering the file autoconf.ini to set the port and irq to 3E8 and 9 without sucess. Is there any way top get the autoconfig driver to configure the PCMCIA modem on a IRQ other that 4 or 3? Regards, Ivar E. hosteng email: ivar@ihosten.priv.no From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 09:18:02 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07361; Fri, 15 Sep 95 09:18:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07431; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:19:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:19:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gps.leeds.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07415; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:18:47 -0400 Received: (from mes4jcc@localhost) by gps.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA07146 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:18:12 +0100 From: J C Cummings Message-Id: <199509151218.NAA07146@gps.leeds.ac.uk> Subject: AC Adapter NA/UK To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:18:11 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, I own a TP750, I bought it in North America, and am (for the next 3 years at least) using it in the UK for my PhD. I've just been using a little plastic plug-adapter to use it plugged in, since I know that the IBM Universal Adapter does the power change for me. However, the little plastic adapter that changes the shape of the plug, accidentally got broken last night. So what I'm wondering is, while I'll still pop out to a store and by one of these adapters, whether it is possible to get an individual cord which goes from the Universal Adapter to the AC outlet, which has a british plug on the end. This would save me buying, and breaking, NA/UK little plastic adapters, which are rather expensive for their function (at least here in Leeds). If anyone knows a part number for this part of the uk adapter, or has any IBM UK phone numbers (I.e. Helpline, Pc Direct,Sales, etc) or any other advice, if they could e-mail it to me I'd be most grateful. Many thanks, James Cummings mes4jcc@leeds.ac.uk From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 11:07:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11228; Fri, 15 Sep 95 11:07:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22665; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:50:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:50:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22646; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:50:27 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA3482; Fri, 15 Sep 95 10:44:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9509151744.AA3482@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 25ABCF10086EC362852562380050DBDD; Fri, 15 Sep 95 10:44:20 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 15 Sep 95 10:46:13 EDT Subject: Re: AC Adapter NA/UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...If anyone knows a part number for this part of the uk adapter, or has any IBM UK phone numbers (I.e. Helpline, Pc Direct,Sales, etc) or any other advice, if they could e-mail it to me I'd be most grateful...." ~~~~~~~~~~ yes, it is. the uk cord can be purchased from ibm in the uk (or so ibm in the us has told me). the part number you need is 25H2215. the master list of part numbers for all countries should ship in the box with the cord. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 13:18:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22284; Fri, 15 Sep 95 13:18:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07617; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:07:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:07:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bonjour.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07594; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:07:10 -0400 Received: by bonjour.cc.columbia.edu id AA23275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:07:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:07:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: TP750Cs price Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I have a TP750Cs, 8Mb RAM, 340Mb HD, with an XJack 14.4 modem. I was thinking of upgrading to something a little better, and I have a friend who is interested in buying my computer. Now, the problem is that I don't know what a fair price is... Considering that the computer is about 18 months old and has had quite a bit of use, what do you people out there consider an honest price?... Many thanks for your help. -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 13:41:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23234; Fri, 15 Sep 95 13:41:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10186; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:32:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:32:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shrsys.hslc.org by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10152; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:32:27 -0400 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.1 AXP) id 307; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:25:50 EST Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:25:50 EST From: "Dennis J. Gormley" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <009966F7.3CE7AAB6.307@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Disabling suspend mode on TP755CE Hi everyone! I have two questions which didn't seem to be addressed in my perusal of the user's guide: 1) Will the TP755CE go into suspend mode if it is operating while the AC power supply is connected? 2) If so, what is the technique for disabling suspend mode (other than hitting Fn-Fwhichever one it is)? Thanks! \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 13:43:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23830; Fri, 15 Sep 95 13:43:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10229; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:33:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:33:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shrsys.hslc.org by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10207; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:33:02 -0400 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.1 AXP) id 334; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:29:05 EST Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:29:05 EST From: "Dennis J. Gormley" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <009966F7.B157CCE1.334@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Mwave sound & Win95 Hi everybody! We seem to have installed Windows 95 on our TP755CEs with relativly little hassle, but the sound out of the speaker is distorted. The mwave modem functions work fine, but the Windows ta-da now sounds like the opening chords from one of the Yardbirds early releases! Are there new drivers for Win95, or is there a setting I have to change. Yes, I have tried turning the volume down! Thanks! \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 14:40:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28123; Fri, 15 Sep 95 14:40:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15305; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:31:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:31:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15273; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:31:37 -0400 Received: from cyclone.mitre.org (cyclone.mitre.org [128.29.86.13]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA09236; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:56:13 -0400 Received: from dhite-pc.mitre.org by cyclone.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11096; Fri, 15 Sep 95 13:56:29 EDT Message-Id: <9509151756.AA11096@cyclone.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@cyclone X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:54:54 -0400 To: "Dennis J. Gormley" From: David Hite Subject: Re: Mwave sound & Win95 Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU >The mwave modem functions work fine, but the Windows ta-da now sounds like the >opening chords from one of the Yardbirds early releases! Hey, neat! Rather than fix yours, I'd like to break mine! But seriously, you probably need to update your MWave with the following files: mwd110-1.exe 755 MWave v1.10 for DOS - disk 1 of 2 (957493 bytes, 04-26-95) mwd110-2.exe 755 MWave v1.10 for DOS - disk 2 of 2 (560185 bytes, 04-25-95) mwave110.doc 755 MWave v1.10 Doc File-Read Me First! (10014 bytes, 06-15-95) mwavefix.exe Multi MWAVE Fix (MacroMedia,>16M,Sierra) (695893 bytes, 08-04-95) They're available at http://www.pc.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ftpfiles?action=list&dir=34 David Hite From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 14:41:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28130; Fri, 15 Sep 95 14:41:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15256; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:31:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:31:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15231; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:31:30 -0400 Received: from cyclone.mitre.org (cyclone.mitre.org [128.29.86.13]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA09730; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:59:16 -0400 Received: from dhite-pc.mitre.org by cyclone.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11261; Fri, 15 Sep 95 13:59:32 EDT Message-Id: <9509151759.AA11261@cyclone.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@cyclone X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:57:57 -0400 To: "Dennis J. Gormley" From: David Hite Subject: Re: Mwave sound & Win95 Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Actually, I guess you need the Windows version, not the DOS version :) That would be mww110-1.exe 755 Mwave v1.10 for Windows - disk 1of7 (1302857 bytes, 04-25-95) mww110-2.exe 755 Mwave v1.10 for Windows - disk 2of7 (820698 bytes, 04-26-95) mww110-3.exe 755 Mwave v1.10 for Windows - disk 3of7 (1322879 bytes, 04-26-95) mww110-4.exe 755 MWave v1.10 for Windows - disk 4of7 (1355677 bytes, 04-26-95) mww110-5.exe 755 Mwave v1.10 for Windows - disk 5of7 (1295274 bytes, 04-25-95) mww110-6.exe 755 Mwave v1.10 for Windows - disk 6of7 (1359802 bytes, 04-26-95) mww110-7.exe 755 Mwave v1.10 for Windows - disk 7of7 (298618 bytes, 04-26-95) David Hite From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 15:39:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04582; Fri, 15 Sep 95 15:39:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21211; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:28:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:28:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21200; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:28:47 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA05040; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:28:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:28:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: "Dennis J. Gormley" Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Subject: Re: Disabling suspend mode on TP755CE In-Reply-To: <009966F7.3CE7AAB6.307@shrsys.hslc.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Dennis J. Gormley wrote: > I have two questions which didn't seem to be addressed in my perusal of the > user's guide: > > 1) Will the TP755CE go into suspend mode if it is operating while the AC power > supply is connected? > > 2) If so, what is the technique for disabling suspend mode (other than hitting > Fn-Fwhichever one it is)? If you're using Windork (or possibly even OS2 or Lose95) you can open the applet (PS2WIN), then pick the Power option. There's a CUSTOMIZE button which will allow you to alter the behavior of the 4 modes - low, med, high, AC. You can tell AC to spin down the HD, as I did (quieter!) although the default is never, I think. You can tell the low power mode to never spin down the HD. Obviously there are changes you can make which will defeat the usefulness of these presets (ie - make them all the same) but it's nice to be able to customize the behavior. ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ #tar -cvf /dev/tape /* #, how goddam hard is that?? ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 15 16:06:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07714; Fri, 15 Sep 95 16:06:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23869; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:56:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:56:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23846; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:56:23 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA00449; Fri, 15 Sep 95 20:55:06 +0100 Message-Id: <9509151955.AA00449@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 20:55:05 +0100 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 755CX: Some Solutions, some queries (SlimSCSI anyone?) As to my earlier questions: [1] already answered, there is a device for Adaptec, called AirPort. [2] under Windows there was a remove icon for OS/2 Warp; and [3] the TCP/IP directory was not for Ethernet, just over modem lines only, though, so I will not be using it (deleted it). Also, let me state for the record: the 800*600 screen is terrific and much better for use than 640*480. It is definitely worth a lot. Now, I have managed to prepare my hard disk for NeXTStep Installation---although this is still a way off. First, the positive experiences that others might be interested in: + There is a public domain tool called FIPS, which repartitions hard disks (in general, not for NS). I had to defragment the disk, which was a bit of a problem, until I figured out that hidden files are not movable. After I made everything unhidden (using attrib for the whole disk), I could defrag. I also deleted some files whose meaning I failed to understand (especially, in root there was "wp root" "ea something" "syslevel.tp" "safe/total.mem" and a few other items). Generally, it is a bad idea to delete hidden system files, but I really could not figure out what these things were doing. FIPS works like a charm. + Stacker: worked like a charm---but the diskcache now complains that it cannot cache disk C. So, I removed the C+ argument in autoexec.bat, and the error went away. 1993's "pkunzip" cannot create directories now; not sure if this is PCDOS or stacker, though. + Modems: I got strange function code errors from PC Card Director on my PCMCIA MHz modem, until I figured out that I had to disable the IR receptor. Now here are some problems (in order of importance): * I own an Adaptec SlimSCSI PCMCIA. It is recognized by name, but nothing seems to work with it. I have the old version 1.2a of the software that came with it (but it fails). I also tried PC Card Director, but it thinks that the SlimSCSI is a memory card (even after I uncommented the ATA device line in config.sys). If you have succeeded in installing SlimSCSI for DOS, could you please drop me a note what software (and version) you are using? Perhaps you could let me ftp it, too? * Is there a hardware reset button on the 755CX? ... and minor: * How do I use FaxWorks/Win with my PCMCIA card? * Is there a way to exchange data between Lotus Organizer and CalendarMaker? * What is the premiere shareware Terminal emulator under Windows? I use Kermit right now, but would perhaps like to try something else. /ivo welch PS: If anyone has succeeded in booting NeXTStep off an external SCSI drive using the Adaptec PCMCIA card, please send me mail. (This is unlikely.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 16 00:13:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07930; Sat, 16 Sep 95 00:13:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28227; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:01:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:01:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28204; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:01:16 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA00409; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:01:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:01:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Black Matrix Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I found out what that black matrix thing is - nothing fancy. Here's a quote from http://itri.loyola.edu/Displays/C3_S3.htm > For color displays, red, green, and blue color filters are patterned > on the top plate. In the interpixel area on the top plate, an opaque > material is deposited and patterned. This black matrix improves the > contrast ratio by preventing light leakage in the areas between the > pixels. It has a couple nice pictures with it. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 16 00:45:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08542; Sat, 16 Sep 95 00:45:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00854; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:34:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:33:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00835; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:33:53 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA03375; Sat, 16 Sep 95 00:34:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 00:34:00 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509160434.AA03375@nile.gnat.com> To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Black Matrix so we clearly see from John's account that the black matrix stuff has zero effect on brightness, only on contrast. Of course the eye can sometimes interpret better contrast as brightness :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 16 01:32:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10149; Sat, 16 Sep 95 01:32:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02751; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 01:16:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 01:16:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from panix3.panix.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02738; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 01:16:11 -0400 Received: (from macd@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12+PanixU1.1) id BAA11212; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 01:16:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 01:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael MacDonald To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Winsock 2.1f and MWAVE modem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone been successful getting Winsock 2.1f to work with the MWAVE modem? I recently upgraded to 2.1f and have not been able to use my SLIP account since. I can send data, but it appears that Wincock cannot receive. Any suggestions? Michael MacDonald macd@panix.com mmacdon1@tinker.hofstra.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 16 16:02:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22159; Sat, 16 Sep 95 16:02:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23479; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:47:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:47:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from balder.ssds.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23468; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:47:28 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id NAA20322; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 13:47:25 -0600 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma020316; Sat Sep 16 13:47:21 1995 Received: from freke.ssds.com ([134.127.64.1]) by denver.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) with SMTP id NAA22986; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 13:47:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199509161947.NAA22986@denver.ssds.com> X-Sender: cds@sanjose.ssds.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 14:42:07 -0500 To: J C Cummings , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Chris Swanson Subject: Re: AC Adapter NA/UK Greetings, I would also be interested in both a UK cord and European std. cord (if they are different). Regards, -+Chris At 13.18 95-09-15 +0100, J C Cummings wrote: >Hi there, > >I own a TP750, I bought it in North America, and am (for the next >3 years at least) using it in the UK for my PhD. I've just been >using a little plastic plug-adapter to use it plugged in, since >I know that the IBM Universal Adapter does the power change for me. > >However, the little plastic adapter that changes the shape of the >plug, accidentally got broken last night. So what I'm wondering is, >while I'll still pop out to a store and by one of these adapters, whether >it is possible to get an individual cord which goes from the Universal >Adapter to the AC outlet, which has a british plug on the end. This >would save me buying, and breaking, NA/UK little plastic adapters, >which are rather expensive for their function (at least here in Leeds). > >If anyone knows a part number for this part of the uk adapter, or >has any IBM UK phone numbers (I.e. Helpline, Pc Direct,Sales, etc) >or any other advice, if they could e-mail it to me I'd be most grateful. > >Many thanks, >James Cummings >mes4jcc@leeds.ac.uk > > > > > > / Chris Swanson ____/ ____/ ___ / ____/ Engineer ____ / ____ / /__/ / ____ / 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd #993 _______/ _______/ _______/ _______/ Bloomington, MN 55473 business driven technology solutions. (612) 921-2392 FAX (612) 921-2395 Um Yah Yah! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 16 19:34:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06215; Sat, 16 Sep 95 19:34:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06088; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:27:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:27:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06077; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:27:11 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.32] (mac32.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA03872; Sat, 16 Sep 95 19:25:25 EDT Message-Id: <9509162325.AA03872@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:40:44 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: WARP-Caution 755wd101.exe on 750 mono Don't try this at home. I just installed the video drivers from the 755wd101.exe file on my tp750 mono. The results were not good. The external monitor worked fine, with all resolutions available, but switching to the lcd resulted in a big black band across the screen, which moved with the cursor on the first boot, and remained stationary on the second. After two boots I restored the system to the VFD 1.33 drivers. Now Wilson Yip had mentioned that the WDC31P drivers worked well on a mono, but this file is no longer on ftp.pcco.ibm.com. Where can one get these drivers now? ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 16 22:06:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11839; Sat, 16 Sep 95 22:06:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14998; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:59:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:59:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14987; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:59:03 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA01867; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:58:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:58:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Victor Kress Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: WARP-Caution 755wd101.exe on 750 mono In-Reply-To: <9509162325.AA03872@gl.ciw.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Victor Kress wrote: > I just installed the video drivers from the 755wd101.exe file on my tp750 > mono. The results were not good. The external monitor worked fine, with > all resolutions available, but switching to the lcd resulted in a big black > band across the screen, which moved with the cursor on the first boot, and > remained stationary on the second. After two boots I restored the system > to the VFD 1.33 drivers. I had the same problem on my TP750 mono with the default video drivers for Warp, and a later release said to be for the WDC24/31. I don't think it's specific to the 755wd101.exe drivers. I tracked it down to whether or not high-performance mode was on. I don't recall the exact relationship anymore, but it *is* possible to get external support (all resolutions) and LCD support (640x480x 8bit color) without corruption on a mono. It may also have been related to whether high-performance mode was on at the time you installed the drivers. There is some combination of the install time and the current high-performance mode setting which lets you switch between the LCD and any resolution on an external monitor without corrupting the LCD display. You do lose something - simultaneous display capability I think. One of these days I'll try it all again and write down exactly what works and what doesn't (I'm using Linux now). ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 16 22:40:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13329; Sat, 16 Sep 95 22:40:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17165; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:34:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:34:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17154; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:34:49 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21628; Sat, 16 Sep 95 21:34:38 CDT Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 21:34:36 CDT Message-Id: <9509170234.AA21628@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: Winsock 2.1f and MWAVE modem >Has anyone been successful getting Winsock 2.1f to work with the MWAVE >modem? I recently upgraded to 2.1f and have not been able to use my SLIP >account since. I can send data, but it appears that Wincock cannot >receive. Any suggestions? > I have been using Trumpet Winsock 2.1f with the Mwave modem on my 755cx without major problems. Before I registered it seemed a little balky (I did use 2.1e w/o problem). Since registering it works like a charm. I usually use it under a OS/2-Win session. One thing you might check is the SLIP port seeting, it should equate to whatever your COM Port setting is. Drop me a note if you have some specific questions about my settings. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 17 13:48:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02455; Sun, 17 Sep 95 13:48:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11930; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 13:38:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 13:38:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11920; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 13:38:47 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA02137; Sun, 17 Sep 95 18:37:15 +0100 Message-Id: <9509171737.AA02137@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Sun, 17 Sep 95 18:37:14 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Experience with Computer Insurer? There was a little flyer that came with my 755CX, noting some insurer for notebooks. Has anyone had experience with them? Given that the glass screen apparently is vulnerable to cracking (thanks Jeff), if they are insuring it against inadvertent breakage and if they are prompt in their payment policy, I would get it. (By the way, what is their address/phone/email again?) /ivo welch PS: Anyone got SVGATextMode under linux to work? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 17 17:37:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15159; Sun, 17 Sep 95 17:37:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20845; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 17:27:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 17:27:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20828; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 17:27:07 -0400 Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA17496; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 14:22:34 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 14:22:34 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509172122.OAA17496@netcom3.netcom.com> To: adam@yggdrasil.com, fox@first.cs.nyu.edu, mike@wireless.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Thinkpad 760 According to compiled reports from comp.sys.laptops and elsewhere, the TP760 will have (depending on configuration): 12.4" 1024x768 active matrix display with 64k colors 4x speed internal removable CD-rom 120 MHz pentium Mwave DSP 2.0 including 28.8kbps modem functions MPEG-2 acceleration 810, 1.2, or 1.4 gig disk street price of $7000 and up. Yow!!! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 17 20:27:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24493; Sun, 17 Sep 95 20:27:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06880; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:14:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:13:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06870; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:13:57 -0400 Received: from ts33-2.wla.ts.ucla.edu (ts33-2.wla.ts.ucla.edu [164.67.21.207]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA16822; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 17:12:29 -0700 To: mike@wireless.com, fox@first.cs.nyu.edu, adam@yggdrasil.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Subject: Re: Thinkpad 760 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 00:07:33 GMT Message-Id: From: sshaw@ucla.edu (Stanford Shaw) X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.0] Despite what the IBM publicity initially stated, apparently the TP760 will first have only 14.4bps modems. > According to compiled reports from comp.sys.laptops and elsewhere, the > TP760 will have (depending on configuration): > > 12.4" 1024x768 active matrix display with 64k colors > 4x speed internal removable CD-rom > 120 MHz pentium > Mwave DSP 2.0 including 28.8kbps modem functions > MPEG-2 acceleration > 810, 1.2, or 1.4 gig disk > street price of $7000 and up. > > Yow!!! > ---- Stanford Shaw UCLA History Dept. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 17 20:30:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24762; Sun, 17 Sep 95 20:30:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06530; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:07:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:07:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06520; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:07:49 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA07791; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 00:09:02 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 00:09:02 GMT Message-Id: <199509180009.AAA07791@ada.cs.fsu.edu> From: Ted Baker To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: suspend/hibernate, Linux I've recently noticed that the suspend and hibernate functions are not working properly, with my Linux installation on the 755CX. The symptom is that the machine comes back up, but with the keyboard, mouse, and power switch nonresponsive. I am forced to use the emergency off button in the back, with consequent corruption of my filesystem, so I'm reluctant to try many experiments. I'm hoping one of you reading this mailing list can help me zero in on the problem from your experience. It seems to me that when I first installed the APM bios, I tested these features and they worked. Since then, I've made a few changes, but I can't figure out which of these is responsible, since I did not notice the problem until just recently, when I carried the machine along on an air trip and tried to use the suspend feature during a landing. The big change I made is that I updated the ROM bios to V1.30, from the IBM archive. Another change is that I am now have a PCMCIA card installed, an ethernet adaptor. I don't think this is a Linux-specific problem. Under Windows 3.11, without or without the PCMCIA drivers loaded, I get almost the same problem. That is, the mouse locks up after suspend, thought the power switch still works. --Ted Baker From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 18 03:06:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16726; Mon, 18 Sep 95 03:06:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29514; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 02:56:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 02:56:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29500; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 02:56:51 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA02727; Mon, 18 Sep 95 07:55:46 +0100 Message-Id: <9509180655.AA02727@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 07:55:45 +0100 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Novice Experience Installing Linux SLS on TP755CX I am an experienced NeXTStep user. I have just installed SLS Linux for the first time. Here is some description/advice to others who are planning to do the same: [1] I grabbed the SLS distribution from a mirror to sunsite.unc.edu, and read the Linux-Installation-Howto by Matt Welsh (no relation). I copied the files using a parallel port transfer under DOS to install from hard disk. (I only wish NeXTStep had this one, too.) [2] Creating boot and root disks was straightforward, and worked (I used the scsi.gz boot disk). Than, once logged on as root, I started "setup." As I found out, the Linux setup program is very finicky. First, it did not mount the DOS partition for me. So, I had to handmount the DOS partition (after the boot, accomplished by "/bin/mount /dev/hda1 /somewhere"). Then, I had to run "setup" again. setup is finicky about specifying (source) filenames. Make sure that there are not one-too-many slashes in the combination of the directory and the mountpoint. Specifying "/somewhere/" and "/sls/" for example fails. [3] The basic SLS installation was rather straightforward. I had a crash on basic installation, but think I was done already (although I do not have tset, so perhaps I am still missing some). Restarting setup for other packages, I wish it had not asked me for the system font, because I liked the standard one, and it was not clear which one it was. Somehow, I also had to twice install LILO before it worked. Don't know why. [4] I then booted, and Linux either complained that it was read-only or that it was read-write but wanted to be read-only at first. I figured out that this was because I was missing an /etc/fstab entry. Here it mine now: /dev/hda2 / ext2 rw 0 1 /dev/hda1 /dosd msdos rw 2 3 /proc /proc proc defaults (The last line is necessary for top and ps to work. I don't know why, and I do not care.) [5] Now, I moved loadlin to the DOS partition, and unpacked it. It took me a while to figure out that I also needed to copy the linux kernel from the linux partition to the DOS partition. (A bit strange to have a Linux kernel on a DOS disk, I think, but that is what it took.) Unfortunately, I screwed up on the disk naming convention (need to use /dev/hda2 of course), so Loadlin was waiting forever for a UMSDOS partition. Once I rebooted, I fixed this, and loadlin worked. [6] It also took me a while to figure out that I did not want to give a vga= argument to loadlin. It only screwed me up. By the way, I never managed to get the console into 100*33 mode (or any mode other than 80*25). This is a pity. [7] Now, I tried to follow Jeff Friedl's (excellent) instructions on how to get X up. BUT---the latest SLS distribution does not come with the latest X. So, I first needed to download this one, too, from sun-site. Installation comes in elf and a.out format. Eventually I figured out that I needed the "a.out" format, because SLS is still built on it (on elf format, the elf-X looks for a missing libm.so). So, I build this X again. The build itself was straightforward untarring and replacing all files in /usr/X11R6 with my new files. (Note: one needs to untar staff both in common and in a.out.) [8] I killed the gpm program to get control of my mouse back, and started X. It came up. Great! So, I logged out, started DOS, changed mode "ps2 mode3x on", and ran loadlin. After login, X still ran, and all it took was to figure out how to make the numerical pad work. It took first a Shift-NumLk, and then a ctrl-alt-minus (on the ; key) and a ctrl-alt-plus (on the / key) let me switch to 800*600 resolution. Now, please do not ask me for anything else---as I stated, I am a novice myself. This however may help some of you doing the same thing. Good luck, /ivo From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 18 05:07:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22295; Mon, 18 Sep 95 05:07:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06779; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 05:01:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 05:01:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uranus.ubs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06768; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 05:01:39 -0400 From: Received: by uranus.ubs.com; id KAA02175; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:56:57 +0200 Received: from unknown(137.156.150.131) by uranus.ubs.com via smap (g3.0.1) id sma002168; Mon, 18 Sep 95 10:56:34 +0200 Received: from by sv400net.flur.zuerich.ubs.ch with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA290644835; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:00:35 +0200 X-Openmail-Hops: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 11:00:01 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 760 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-048c160d-00000001" --openmail-part-048c160d-00000001 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="Re: Thinkpad 760" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [description of stylin' machine deleted] When's it expected to hit the market? =2D-- Tim Vetter tim.vetter@ubs.com (preferred, ASCII) vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snailmail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland --openmail-part-048c160d-00000001 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="Attachment Modes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 644 Re: Thinkpad 760 600 Attachment Modes --openmail-part-048c160d-00000001-- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 18 11:27:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12373; Mon, 18 Sep 95 11:27:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10741; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:54:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:54:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10731; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:54:09 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0suhax-0004uIC; Mon, 18 Sep 95 09:54 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0suhav-0002ncC; Mon, 18 Sep 95 09:54 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0suhau-0002wwC; Mon, 18 Sep 95 09:54 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: ibm (fwd) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:54:52 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Found this on the Thinkpad Compuserve forum. Just called the 800 number and requested a cap. While I didn't have my machine's serial number handy they still processed my request. > To ensure the continued satisfaction of customers, IBM is offering all > ThinkPad owners a free replacement cap. IBM will provide customers > with the upgraded, no-slip rubber TrackPoint caps featured on IBM's > latest ThinkPad models. > > In the U.S. and Canada customers should call 1-800-520-8765 to receive > a free replacement cap. > > In other countries, customers should visit their authorized IBM > resellers or contact their local representative. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 18 12:09:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14544; Mon, 18 Sep 95 12:09:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17124; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:53:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:53:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17106; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:52:45 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa29726; 18 Sep 95 15:54 +0100 Received: from filct.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa20370; 18 Sep 95 15:52 +0100 From: "Mike O'Carroll" X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: mes4jcc@gps.leeds.ac.uk, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: AC Adapter NA/UK Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 15:51:03 BST Message-Id: <9509181551.aa26194@hipass.filct.com> plug, accidentally got broken last night. So what I'm wondering is, while I'll still pop out to a store and by one of these adapters, whether it is possible to get an individual cord which goes from the Universal Adapter to the AC outlet, which has a british plug on the end. This would save me buying, and breaking, NA/UK little plastic adapters, This should be easy to get from any reasonable store. The 3-pin socket that connects to the actual PS box is pretty universal. You can get similar cords for other European countries (anyone want a Norwegian job that came on a CDROM I bought recently - in the UK!) Mike From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 18 15:34:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27965; Mon, 18 Sep 95 15:34:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05760; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 15:20:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 15:20:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05730; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 15:20:12 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA16173; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:32:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:32:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: "Mike O'Carroll" Cc: mes4jcc@gps.leeds.ac.uk, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: AC Adapter NA/UK In-Reply-To: <9509181551.aa26194@hipass.filct.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, Mike O'Carroll wrote: > This should be easy to get from any reasonable store. The 3-pin socket > that connects to the actual PS box is pretty universal. You can get I often tell people it's the closest thing to a universal standard they'll ever see in computing. And I mean it.... ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "There's nothing wrong with Windows95 I can't fix by deleting it" - Me. ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 08:04:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03472; Tue, 19 Sep 95 08:04:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23326; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:51:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:51:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fris.fris.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23307; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:51:02 -0400 Received: from fl1tty01.fris.nl (fl1tty01.fris.nl [193.67.218.66]) by fris.fris.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA01847 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:51:49 -0100 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:51:49 -0100 Message-Id: <199509191451.NAA01847@fris.fris.nl> X-Sender: janomill@fris.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Jan van der Meulen Subject: difference 750c and 755?? Hello, I often see programs for use with the TP755??, and I wonder if I should/could use them on my TP750c. For instance, when I visit the IBM ftp side, there are a lot of files which seem only to be used with the TP755?? Jan van der Meulen From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 08:19:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07542; Tue, 19 Sep 95 08:19:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24901; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:13:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:13:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24890; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:13:30 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA09404; Tue, 19 Sep 95 08:13:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 08:13:40 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509191213.AA09404@nile.gnat.com> To: janomill@fris.nl, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: difference 750c and 755?? clearly if a program uses the Mwave sound, it will not run on the 750c. Generaly systems programs are not interchangable, for example power management is different. If a program is labeled as TP755 on the site, it probably will not work on the 750. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 08:40:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08186; Tue, 19 Sep 95 08:40:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26575; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:34:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:34:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26565; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:34:21 -0400 Received: from efd.lth.se (f91el@saturnus-3 [130.235.41.13]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA07119; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:33:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199509191233.OAA07119@kobra.efd.lth.se> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: janomill@fris.nl, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, f91el@efd.lth.se Subject: Re: difference 750c and 755?? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:13:40 EDT." <9509191213.AA09404@nile.gnat.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:33:30 +0200 From: Erik Lindahl Well, That depends on what flavour of the 755 the program is meant for. If you mean the "old" 755c, it's mostly an update of the 750c, and most programs will work. (Same video chip for example, same power management.) In the more recent models like ce, cx, etc, many parts are different and system programs/drivers will not work in many cases. Btw, it's sometimes worth downloading the disk and read the detailed documentation. For example, I think it was the enhanced video disk (which says ONLY CE!) that contained drivers for the 750c that provided you with a virtual screen of 1024x768. Go ahead and try for yourself ;-) Regards, Erik From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 08:53:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08678; Tue, 19 Sep 95 08:53:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27569; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:46:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:46:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27558; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:46:26 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA09562; Tue, 19 Sep 95 08:46:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 08:46:37 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509191246.AA09562@nile.gnat.com> To: f91el@efd.lth.se Subject: Re: difference 750c and 755?? Cc: janomill@fris.nl, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Erik, will the virutal screen stuff work on an 800 x 600 755CX? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 09:20:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09961; Tue, 19 Sep 95 09:20:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29791; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:12:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:12:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from BROWNVM.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29781; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:12:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199509191312.JAA29781@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4754; Tue, 19 Sep 95 09:09:55 EDT Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin ST402711@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0891; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:09:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 09:06:30 EDT From: Tim Johnson Subject: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI To: "Origin of LISTS.TP750" I'm interested in getting a Zipdrive for my TP755Cs, and am seeking some suggestions and info. I know the Zipdrive comes in either the SCSI flavor or the Parallel Port flavor. The Parallel Port flavor seems more portable (I can easily attach it to other machines) but the SCSI is faster. So, my questions are - does anyone have any suggestions about getting the parallel port version vs the SCSI version? And for those people recommending SCSI, do you have a PCMCIA SCSI adapter you can recommend? (I am a grad student, so I can't pony up a premium price, I'm afraid.) Thanks for any and all suggestions. -Tim From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 09:28:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10150; Tue, 19 Sep 95 09:28:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00652; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:23:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:23:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from polaris.cv.nrao.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00640; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:23:02 -0400 Received: by polaris.cv.nrao.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA120065; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:23:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:23:00 -0400 From: awootten@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Message-Id: <9509191323.AA120065@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> To: Tim Johnson , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI In-Reply-To: <199509191312.JAA29781@CS.UTK.EDU> References: <199509191312.JAA29781@CS.UTK.EDU> Tim Johnson writes: > And for those people recommending SCSI, > do you have a PCMCIA SCSI adapter you can > recommend? (I am a grad student, so I > can't pony up a premium price, I'm afraid.) Unless you REALLY need the performance of a SCSI drive (for instance, you have large datasets such as telescopes generate for us astronomers and i.e. use disk-intensive reduction programs, or if you need to hook your ZIPdrive up to, for instance, a workstation at work to load the data for subsequent processing at home on your laptop), then you should save your dollars and use the parallel port interface. Clear skies, Al +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Alwyn Wootten (http://www.cv.nrao.edu/~awootten/) | | Astronomer, National Radio Astronomy Observatory | | 520 Edgemont Road, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475, USA| | (804)-296-0329 voice Let's build The Millimeter Array| | (804)-296-0278 FAX {> {> {> {> | +------------------------------^-----^-----^-----^------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 11:02:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16107; Tue, 19 Sep 95 11:02:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09712; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:53:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:53:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09702; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:53:18 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id HAA11372 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:53:04 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199509191453.HAA11372@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 3652 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:33:21 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: "Dennis J. Gormley" , TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:33:15 +0000 Subject: Re: Mwave sound & Win95 Cc: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 This is IBM's attempt at Win-95 support. Anyone who has been trying to get Win-95 running should get this disk. There seems to be some MWave specific stuff. I tried the disk supplied for the 755C, but it didn't seem to do anything that couldn't be done before. It just automates the process a little. http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tpw95.html =================================================== > Hi everybody! > > We seem to have installed Windows 95 on our TP755CEs with relativly little > hassle, but the sound out of the speaker is distorted. > > The mwave modem functions work fine, but the Windows ta-da now sounds like the > opening chords from one of the Yardbirds early releases! > > Are there new drivers for Win95, or is there a setting I have to change. > > Yes, I have tried turning the volume down! > > Thanks! > > \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 > \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 > \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org > \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 > H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 11:02:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16106; Tue, 19 Sep 95 11:02:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09743; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:53:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:53:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09732; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:53:33 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id HAA11418 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:53:21 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199509191453.HAA11418@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 5868 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:18:51 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: Paulo Magalhaes , TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:18:48 +0000 Subject: Re: TP750Cs price X-Confirm-Reading-To: TOMF@conic.loral.com X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 I recently bought a TP755C with case/X-Jack/8MB/170MB for $2,300. =================================================== > Hi! > > I have a TP750Cs, 8Mb RAM, 340Mb HD, with an XJack 14.4 modem. I was > thinking of upgrading to something a little better, and I have a friend > who is interested in buying my computer. Now, the problem is that I don't > know what a fair price is... Considering that the computer is about 18 > months old and has had quite a bit of use, what do you people out there > consider an honest price?... > > Many thanks for your help. > > -- > Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA > voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 11:03:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16116; Tue, 19 Sep 95 11:03:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09770; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:53:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:53:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09757; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:53:47 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id HAA11460 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:53:36 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199509191453.HAA11460@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 8583 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:36:14 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:36:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Mwave sound & Win95 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 This is IBM's attempt at Win-95 support. Anyone who has been trying to get Win-95 running should get this disk. There seems to be some MWave specific stuff. I tried the disk supplied for the 755C, but it didn't seem to do anything that couldn't be done before. It just automates the process a little. http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tpw95.html =================================================== > Hi everybody! > > We seem to have installed Windows 95 on our TP755CEs with relativly little > hassle, but the sound out of the speaker is distorted. > > The mwave modem functions work fine, but the Windows ta-da now sounds like the > opening chords from one of the Yardbirds early releases! > > Are there new drivers for Win95, or is there a setting I have to change. > > Yes, I have tried turning the volume down! > > Thanks! > > \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 > \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 > \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org > \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 > H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 12:53:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24241; Tue, 19 Sep 95 12:53:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19305; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:34:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:34:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19295; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:34:37 -0400 Received: by sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu id AA04925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:34:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:34:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: 750Cs price Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thank you to all who responded. The "sad" story is that for those of us who buy portables with our own money (vs. company money, that is), it's almost worth investing in "add-ons" (more memory, bigger HD, etc), rather than upgrading to a better machine... :) Again, thanks for all the precious comments. -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 14:24:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00245; Tue, 19 Sep 95 14:24:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27059; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:11:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:11:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27049; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:11:21 -0400 Received: from mail.cybercom.net (dial1-18.cybercom.net [205.198.81.18]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07253; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:06:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:06:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199509191806.OAA07253@kalypso.cybercom.net> X-Sender: dchan@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Erik Lindahl From: "Derek V. Chan" Subject: Re: difference 750c and 755?? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Erik...what is the name of this file??? You can get a virtual screen just as you do in linux? At 02:33 PM 9/19/95 +0200, you wrote: >Well, > >That depends on what flavour of the 755 the program is meant for. >If you mean the "old" 755c, it's mostly an update of the 750c, and most >programs will work. (Same video chip for example, same power management.) >In the more recent models like ce, cx, etc, many parts are different and >system programs/drivers will not work in many cases. > >Btw, it's sometimes worth downloading the disk and read the detailed >documentation. For example, I think it was the enhanced video disk >(which says ONLY CE!) that contained drivers for the 750c that provided you >with a virtual screen of 1024x768. Go ahead and try for yourself ;-) > >Regards, >Erik > > > -- ***************************************************************************** NIVEN: "There exist other minds that think as you do" Corollary: "The gene-tampered turkey sitting next to you isn't necessarily one of them" Derek Chan (chan4@fas.harvard.edu, dchan@cybercom.net) ***************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 17:48:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17621; Tue, 19 Sep 95 17:48:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19934; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:39:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:39:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19924; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:39:20 -0400 Received: from cessna.oes.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0svANq-0005LoC; Tue, 19 Sep 95 14:39 PDT Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA00377; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:40:28 +0800 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:40:28 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9509192140.AA00377@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, lrj@hepth.cornell.edu Subject: Re: IBM's Win95 SETUP disk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I am assuming that the disk that IBM is providing pertains ONLY to the TP755, and that TP750 users must content themselves with the July 10th .TXT file that is available from the same site. Is that correct? Len Jacobson > From @amdahl.uts.amdahl.com:owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 14:18 PDT 1995 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:01:37 EDT > From: "Lew Jansen" > Subject: IBM's Win95 SETUP disk > To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:57:15 -0400 (EDT) > > > This is now available via the web at http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tpw95.html > or via ftp from ftp.pcco.ibm.com as /pub/mobiles/win95set.exe > > I've looked at it and it appears to be a disk to setup your Thinkpad for > installing Win95 -- but it seems you must run it from Windows 3.1 > > Anyone know just what it's supposed to do, if it does anything important, > and whether those of us who have already installed Win95 have any options > other than uninstalling Win95, running the setup disk, and then reinstalling > Win95? While not critical right now, I'd kind of like to be able to use the > FAX capabilities of the MWAVE DSP. (I've tried reinstalling the MWave stuff, > the >16M fix, and the FaxWorks stuff to no avail; I can do quick faxes from > the CallCenter, but I can't print to the Fax-printer) > > -- > Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory > lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 17:51:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17633; Tue, 19 Sep 95 17:51:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20209; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:43:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:43:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20198; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:43:17 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA35902; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:38:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9509192138.AA35902@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: IBM's Win95 SETUP disk To: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9509192140.AA00377@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> from "Len Jacobson" at Sep 19, 95 02:40:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > I am assuming that the disk that IBM is providing pertains ONLY to the TP755, > and that TP750 users must content themselves with the July 10th .TXT file that > is available from the same site. > Is that correct? Whoops! Yes, that's correct. This disk appears to be ONLY for the 755's -- TR750 owners appear to be left out in the cold. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 19 18:59:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23173; Tue, 19 Sep 95 18:59:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15858; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:01:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:01:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15823; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:01:34 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA19300; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:57:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9509192057.AA19300@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: IBM's Win95 SETUP disk To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:57:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text This is now available via the web at http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tpw95.html or via ftp from ftp.pcco.ibm.com as /pub/mobiles/win95set.exe I've looked at it and it appears to be a disk to setup your Thinkpad for installing Win95 -- but it seems you must run it from Windows 3.1 Anyone know just what it's supposed to do, if it does anything important, and whether those of us who have already installed Win95 have any options other than uninstalling Win95, running the setup disk, and then reinstalling Win95? While not critical right now, I'd kind of like to be able to use the FAX capabilities of the MWAVE DSP. (I've tried reinstalling the MWave stuff, the >16M fix, and the FaxWorks stuff to no avail; I can do quick faxes from the CallCenter, but I can't print to the Fax-printer) -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 04:32:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00427; Wed, 20 Sep 95 04:32:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04354; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:21:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:21:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04332; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:21:44 -0400 Received: from efd.lth.se (f91el@saturnus-3 [130.235.41.13]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA13558; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:20:37 +0200 Message-Id: <199509200820.KAA13558@kobra.efd.lth.se> To: "Derek V. Chan" Cc: Erik Lindahl , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: difference 750c and 755?? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:06:55 EDT." <199509191806.OAA07253@kalypso.cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:20:35 +0200 From: Erik Lindahl Well, The virtual screen has about the same properties as some of its X relatives, apart from the fact that it is hardware based. This limits the screen to 1024x768. When you hit the border it scrolls - very fast. This works on all kinds of WD90C24, I think... On the later chip WD90C24a (?) you can have your internal display set at a virtual desk, with the whole desk at 1024x768 on the external screen. I really can't remember the exact file that provided this driver - I'll try to look it up later. (This unix machine can't run the self-extracting files.) I *think* it was in evtpe120.exe... Btw, to get the virtual screen, you have to look in the documentation and then edit your system.ini manually. (Something like VirtualScreen=1024x768). This is a feature of the chip, but I have not been able to get it to work with OS/2. (Probably it won't work with win95 either...) Regards, Erik From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 08:33:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17516; Wed, 20 Sep 95 08:33:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24016; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:20:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:20:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24005; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:20:53 -0400 From: Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA27830 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:20:51 GMT Received: from unknown(166.72.238.98) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smabJ4DFW; Wed Sep 20 12:20:23 1995 Received: by slip166-238-98.ibm.net (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0617; Wed, 20 Sep 95 14:19:26 -0700 Message-Id: <9509202119.AA0617@slip166-238-98.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 14:10:32 +0100 Sender: aenna@0y.O&/.ibm.net To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: TP 755CD and WARP - Multimedia problems X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <601_90_1_811620632> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Long time ago (middle of June '95...) I sent a message here asking for help in a very big problem I still have... Dopes anybody tell me if it is possible to install in my TP 755CD - 16MbRam the MMOS2 features...? I tried and tried, with no success. IBM Helpware here in Italy doesn't be able to suggest me something really good: my "poor" ThinkPad is still mute, and I don't be able to hear nothing from him, unless I start with PC DOS and Windows... :-( Please, do help me...! Thanks. Cheers! Alberto Enna From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 08:53:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19514; Wed, 20 Sep 95 08:53:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26025; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:47:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:47:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ra.abo.fi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26013; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:47:26 -0400 Received: from stork (stork.abo.fi [130.232.208.92]) by ra.abo.fi (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA04534 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:46:37 +0300 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:46:37 +0300 Message-Id: <199509201246.PAA04534@ra.abo.fi> X-Sender: akilpine@130.232.18.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Antti.Kilpinen@abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen) Subject: Re: difference 750c and 755?? >Well, > >The virtual screen has about the same properties as some of its X relatives, >apart from the fact that it is hardware based. This limits the screen to >1024x768. When you hit the border it scrolls - very fast. >This works on all kinds of WD90C24, I think... >On the later chip WD90C24a (?) you can have your internal display set at >a virtual desk, with the whole desk at 1024x768 on the external screen. > >I really can't remember the exact file that provided this driver - I'll try >to look it up later. (This unix machine can't run the self-extracting files.) > >I *think* it was in evtpe120.exe... > I found the drivers from vwtpe121.exe in pcco The various drivers (rotated etc.) work well with a 360 too. Unfortunatly, the virtual screen did'nt work with my 360-mono display (as correctly documented). I have to try it on a STN display. -antti From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 12:54:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06299; Wed, 20 Sep 95 12:54:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17369; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:40:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:40:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from postman.essex.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17338; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:40:42 -0400 Received: from vulcan.essex.ac.uk by postman.essex.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <13182-0@postman.essex.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:40:07 +0100 Received: by vulcan.essex.ac.uk (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id RAA11153; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:14:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:14:54 +0100 From: alien@essex.ac.uk (Adrian F Clark) Message-Id: <199509201614.RAA11153@vulcan.essex.ac.uk> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750 Sound support for Linux? I have a TP750 and have been running Linux on it for the best part of 18 months. One permanent irritation, however, has been the lack of support for sound under Linux. I wonder whether anyone has had a go at this, or has technical information that would let me have a go at hacking the standard Linux sound driver myself. Many thanks in advance. ..Adrian -- Dr Adrian F Clark http://esewww.essex.ac.uk/~alien/alien.html EMAIL: alien@essex.ac.uk PHONE: (+44) 1206-872432 FAX: (+44) 1206-872900 Dept ESE, University of Essex, Wivenhoe Park, Colchester, Essex, C04 3SQ, UK From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 14:46:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10304; Wed, 20 Sep 95 14:46:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26065; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:34:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:34:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26055; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:34:34 -0400 Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA16602; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:31:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:31:24 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509201831.LAA16602@netcom10.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 755 memory questions 1. Can I use a DRAM card and a DIMM at the same time? 2. Is there an advantage to either over the other? 3. Is parity memory worth paying extra for? I heard somewhere that the Pentium thinkpads don't even use it. I'd like to add 8 meg (or more) to an 8 meg 755CX. I'm wondering if I can do this via a 4 meg card and a 4 meg DIMM, since I know where I can get a 4 meg card pretty cheap so there would be some savings compared to buying an 8 meg card. tnx From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 15:06:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11819; Wed, 20 Sep 95 15:06:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28460; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:53:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:53:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28448; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:53:07 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA02879; Wed, 20 Sep 95 14:53:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 14:53:09 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509201853.AA02879@nile.gnat.com> To: phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 755 memory questions you cannot use a card and a DIMM, physically impossible From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 21:07:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08991; Wed, 20 Sep 95 21:07:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00887; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:00:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:00:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mp.canuck.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00847; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:00:00 -0400 Received: from ccc030.canuck.com (ccc030.canuck.com [204.50.15.45]) by mp.canuck.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA07654 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:59:51 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:59:51 -0600 Message-Id: <199509210059.SAA07654@mp.canuck.com> X-Sender: dcrombie@canuck.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: dcrombie@canuck.com (David S. Crombie) Could someone send me the part number and price for the smaller version of the power adapter that just came out? I called Canada PC Direct and they didn't have a clue what I was talking about. Typical. Thanks David S. Crombie dcrombie@canuck.com 102035.3354@compuserve.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 21:07:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09152; Wed, 20 Sep 95 21:07:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00713; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:58:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:58:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mp.canuck.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00670; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:58:28 -0400 Received: from ccc030.canuck.com (ccc030.canuck.com [204.50.15.45]) by mp.canuck.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA07535; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:57:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:57:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199509210057.SAA07535@mp.canuck.com> X-Sender: dcrombie@canuck.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Tim Johnson From: dcrombie@canuck.com (David S. Crombie) Subject: Re: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU I have a 360C and just purchased a Zip drive. I bought a SCSI drive with an Adaptec slimSCSI PCMCIA card. Two reasons - speed was an issue for me - iomega states that it is '2-5' times as fast as the parallel. I am using it as another hard drive. The second reason was I was in California only briefly and needed something right away. The only ones available at the time (two weeks ago) were SCSI. Downside - extra cable linkup (weight) and $200 for PC Card. Excellent unit though. Iomega should downsize their AC adapter though - the drive weighs 1 pund and their adapter weighs as much or more (so it seems). David S. Crombie dcrombie@canuck.com 102035.3354@compuserve.com >I'm interested in getting a Zipdrive >for my TP755Cs, and am seeking some >suggestions and info. > >I know the Zipdrive comes in either the >SCSI flavor or the Parallel Port flavor. >The Parallel Port flavor seems more >portable (I can easily attach it to >other machines) but the SCSI is faster. > >So, my questions are - does anyone have >any suggestions about getting the parallel >port version vs the SCSI version? > >And for those people recommending SCSI, >do you have a PCMCIA SCSI adapter you can >recommend? (I am a grad student, so I >can't pony up a premium price, I'm afraid.) > >Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > -Tim > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 21:55:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11760; Wed, 20 Sep 95 21:55:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04464; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:49:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:49:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04447; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:49:40 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12616; Wed, 20 Sep 95 20:49:31 CDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 20:49:30 CDT Message-Id: <9509210149.AA12616@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI David Crombie wrote: >Excellent unit though. Iomega should downsize their AC adapter though - the >drive weighs 1 pund and their adapter weighs as much or more (so it seems). > I believe Iomega just introduced a smaller AC unit, runs about $40. Sorry I can't say where I heard this but give Iomega or PC/MAC Connection (800-800-1111) a call Joe Wilson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 20 22:37:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14421; Wed, 20 Sep 95 22:37:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07314; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:29:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:29:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from larry.infi.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07302; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:29:38 -0400 Received: by larry.infi.net (Infinet-S-3.3) id WAA04574; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:29:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: James Biggerstaff To: "David S. Crombie" Cc: Tim Johnson , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI In-Reply-To: <199509210057.SAA07535@mp.canuck.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a 360C also, and am very happy with the Parallel flavor of the Zip. Faster is always better, of course, but the ability to hook up the drive to most any PC with the parallel cable is extremely useful. As a matter of fact, I just purchased my second parallel Zip, for general use in the office. CompUSA mispriced them as a 10 pack of disks and I got it for $ 170 vs the $ 219 they usually charge. Snarf, Snarf! The power adapter is indeed way too heavy. Iomega offers a more compact variety for $40. Jim Biggerstaff jimb@infi.net Norfolk, Virginia, USA ======================================================================== These profound insights are NOT freeware. If found useful, please send money within 30 days. ======================================================================== On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, David S. Crombie wrote: > I have a 360C and just purchased a Zip drive. I bought a SCSI drive with an > Adaptec slimSCSI PCMCIA card. Two reasons - speed was an iss for me - > iomega states that it is '2-5' times as fast as the parallel. [froomp] > > Excellent unit though. Iomega should downsize their AC adapter though - the > drive weighs 1 pund and their adapter weighs as much or more (so it seems). > > David S. Crombie > dcrombie@canuck.com > 102035.3354@compuserve.com > > >I'm interested in getting a Zipdrive > >for my TP755Cs, and am seeking some > >suggestions and info. > > > >I know the Zipdrive comes in either the > >SCSI flavor or the Parallel Port flavor. > >The Parallel Port flavor seems more > >portable (I can easily attach it to > >other machines) but the SCSI is faster. > > > >So, my questions are - does anyone have > >any suggestions about getting the parallel > >port version vs the SCSI version? > > > >And for those people recommending SCSI, > >do you have a PCMCIA SCSI adapter you can > >recommend? (I am a grad student, so I > >can't pony up a premium price, I'm afraid.) > > > >Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > -Tim > > > > > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 21 01:29:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25731; Thu, 21 Sep 95 01:29:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18296; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:17:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:17:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18284; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:16:59 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA29879; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:12:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9509210512.AA29879@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Griping about Iomega (was Re: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:12:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "James Biggerstaff" at Sep 20, 95 10:29:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > Iomega offers a more compact [power adapter] for $40. Hmm... $40 for a power adapter that doesn't weight as much as the ZIP drive. $30 for the new ZIP Tools software that will work with Win95. A telephone tech-support person swore up and down to a friend of mine that the only way to get drivers for OS/2 was to buy them from Iomega for $20; no mention of downloading them from the net or their BBS. No more Tech Support forum on Iomega's BBS; they've moved it to AOL and MSN. What next, a $20 on/off switch? Maybe they'll sell labels at $1 each? Am I the only one that feels Iomega is trying to bleed the customer? -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 21 03:57:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07506; Thu, 21 Sep 95 03:57:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27124; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:43:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:43:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27111; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:43:10 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA00963 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:42:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:42:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199509210742.AAA00963@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Griping about Iomega (was Re: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI) At 01:12 AM 9/21/95 -0400, Lew Jansen wrote: > What next, a $20 on/off switch? Maybe they'll sell labels at $1 each? > > Am I the only one that feels Iomega is trying to bleed the customer? Don't forget the $10 plastic 6-disk zip floppy holders :) About the smaller power adapter, I ordered mine friday afternoon from mac-connection (or whatever it is that the iomega number forwards you to) and they delivered it on saturday.. it's nice and small, also does 220 (the main reason I needed it). It doesn't plug directly into the wall however, it has a short (6 inches or so) power cable coming out of the unit, and you plug a standard power cable into that.. Nice arrangement, make it easy to move from place to place, don't need to hassle with trying to get a bulky adapter into a crowded powerstrip. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 21 13:29:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12887; Thu, 21 Sep 95 13:29:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16236; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:14:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:14:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from insosf1.netins.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16224; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:14:26 -0400 From: Received: (from bpartner@localhost) by insosf1.netins.net id MAA14365 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 12:14:19 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by bpartner.bpartners.dsm.ia.us id AA811710474 Thu, 21 Sep 95 12:07:54 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 12:07:54 Message-Id: <9508218117.AA811710474@bpartner.bpartners.dsm.ia.us> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PCMCIA Token Ring? I am looking for a good PCMCIA Token Ring card that will run with OS/2 and Lan Server. What cards are available, and has anyone had any experiences installing such cards (good or bad)? Thanks Derrick Sharpe Broadcast Partners Des Moines, IA dsharpe@bpartners.dsm.ia.us From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 21 13:29:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13059; Thu, 21 Sep 95 13:29:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16564; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:18:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:18:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16554; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:18:05 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id KAA01548; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:17:16 -0700 Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA11939; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:17:10 -0700 Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27632; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:17:11 -0700 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06204; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:18:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:18:07 -0700 From: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9509211718.AA06204@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, josephw@inc.net Subject: Re: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII So has anyone compared ZipDrives to EZDrives ? (Iomega and Syquest) ? Foolishly I thought that there was only one version of this an went down to Fry's to pick one up, only to find that there are two. Unfortunately very close inspection of the boxes did not reveal whether they are a) To very different systems b) The same base system packaged two ways c) Have interoperable media d) Require extra drivers e) Base media cost (I found a EZDisk for $19.87 though) --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 22 11:20:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11394; Fri, 22 Sep 95 11:20:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11464; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:51:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:51:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11453; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:51:56 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id HAA28897 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Fri, 22 Sep 1995 07:51:53 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199509221451.HAA28897@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 9045 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 07:26:39 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 07:26:36 +0000 Subject: Win-95 on a TP755C Cc: tomf@pwa.acusd.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 I have noticed the following problems when trying to use Win-95 on my TP755C. If anyone has any solutions to these problems, please respond. 1. Hibernation won't work. 2. The 16 bit drivers for the Crystal Semiconductor sound chip don't work real well. (When playing pinball, the ball jerks around the screen when wave sound is played.) 3. The VESA driver must be loaded upon bootup to get 256 color support on the Rocket video chip. (It would be more elegant to have native support.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 22 11:23:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11669; Fri, 22 Sep 95 11:23:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12586; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:04:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:04:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12576; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:04:06 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA00450; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:07:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Lew Jansen Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Griping about Iomega (was Re: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI) In-Reply-To: <9509210512.AA29879@hepth.cornell.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Lew Jansen wrote: > Hmm... $40 for a power adapter that doesn't weight as much as the ZIP drive. > $30 for the new ZIP Tools software that will work with Win95. A telephone > tech-support person swore up and down to a friend of mine that the only way to > get drivers for OS/2 was to buy them from Iomega for $20; no mention of > downloading them from the net or their BBS. No more Tech Support forum on > Iomega's BBS; they've moved it to AOL and MSN. The driver thing is annoying, but the adaptor doesn't seem totally unreasonable - those ZIP drivers aren't running on a wide margin, it's probably cheaper to make the larger AC adaptor. And over the long term, software is _much_ more costly to support than hardware, so more money for Lose95 sounds reasonable to me. (Think of it as a penalty for bad taste in OSes) The support issue is usually a result of exclusivity agreements. Irritating, but nothing new - Compu$serve has been getting peopel to sign them for years. ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "There's nothing wrong with Windows95 I can't fix by deleting it" - Me. ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 22 15:02:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25966; Fri, 22 Sep 95 15:02:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06038; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:49:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:49:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06018; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:48:53 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@bass.hooked.net [199.2.134.18]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA03293; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:48:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:48:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199509221848.LAA03293@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Zipdrive, PCMCIA SCSI Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU At 10:18 AM 9/21/95 -0700, Chuck McManis wrote: >So has anyone compared ZipDrives to EZDrives ? (Iomega and Syquest) ? Macweek or macuser did, don't remember which, but I read it on ziff's web page, www.ziff.com. EZ is faster, Zip has better features, was the upshot of it. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 23 09:09:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07327; Sat, 23 Sep 95 09:09:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23084; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:01:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:01:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pointer.netpoint.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23071; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:01:02 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (dppp02.netpoint.net [198.69.200.102]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA09461 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:58:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199509231258.IAA09461@pointer.netpoint.net> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.03a) From: Bill Schwartz To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:00:48 EST Reply-To: Bill Schwartz REVIEW TP750 HIGH PERFORMANCE CARTRIDGES INC PO BOX 545890 SURFSIDE, FL. 33154 Fax 1-305-864-7367 URL: http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/hpcart.html From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 23 21:40:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28849; Sat, 23 Sep 95 21:40:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05822; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:26:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:26:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mp.canuck.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05811; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:26:31 -0400 Received: from ccc010.canuck.com (ccc010.canuck.com [204.50.15.25]) by mp.canuck.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA07546; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:26:08 -0600 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:26:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199509240126.TAA07546@mp.canuck.com> X-Sender: dcrombie@canuck.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) From: dcrombie@canuck.com (David S. Crombie) Subject: Re: Zipdrive vs. EZDrive Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU I too looked at both of the units at Frys. What it came down to for me was weight - Zip is ~1 lb, EZDrive was closer to 3 lbs I think. Larger size as well. >So has anyone compared ZipDrives to EZDrives ? (Iomega and Syquest) ? >Foolishly I thought that there was only one version of this an went down >to Fry's to pick one up, only to find that there are two. Unfortunately >very close inspection of the boxes did not reveal whether they are > a) To very different systems > b) The same base system packaged two ways > c) Have interoperable media > d) Require extra drivers > e) Base media cost (I found a EZDisk for $19.87 though) > >--Chuck > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 24 20:38:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22791; Sun, 24 Sep 95 20:38:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27401; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:28:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:28:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from onyx.interactive.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27388; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:28:07 -0400 Received: from amethyst.interactive.net (daver@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by onyx.interactive.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA28949 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:29:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:29:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199509250029.UAA28949@onyx.interactive.net> X-Sender: daver@interactive.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "David W. Young" Subject: Re: IBM's Win95 SETUP disk At 05:38 PM 9/19/95 -0400, you wrote: > Whoops! Yes, that's correct. This disk appears to be ONLY for the 755's -- >TR750 owners appear to be left out in the cold. Be thankful you don't have a 720C like me, for which IBM hasn't offered support of any kind since 1993. Anyone else running 95 on this model TP? It's a damn pain in the ass since 95 doesn't have 32 bit drivers for everything (video, PCMCIA).. -- David W. Young, Internet Systems Consultant Tel: 201-798-5217 Pager: 917-313-9319 Internet: dwy@ACE.NET From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Sep 24 22:38:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00060; Sun, 24 Sep 95 22:38:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05881; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:25:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:25:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05871; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:25:30 -0400 Received: from austen.PEAK.ORG (austen.PEAK.ORG [198.68.21.131]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id TAA17372 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:25:18 -0700 Received: by austen.PEAK.ORG with Microsoft Mail id <01BA8AB3.D1B09660@austen.PEAK.ORG>; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:27:42 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA8AB3.D1B09660@austen.PEAK.ORG> From: Jim Lee To: "'tp750@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Mail mix-up Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:08:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, For those of you who have sent me mail in the past couple of weeks and = haven't received a reply, I apologize. My email address has changed = from jlee@ece.orst.edu to leejim@peak.org. The forwarding didn't go as = smoothly as expected... :( From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 25 01:23:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10909; Mon, 25 Sep 95 01:23:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17679; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 01:13:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 01:13:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ra.abo.fi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17669; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 01:13:49 -0400 Received: from stork (stork.abo.fi [130.232.208.92]) by ra.abo.fi (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA15885 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:13:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:13:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199509250513.HAA15885@ra.abo.fi> X-Sender: akilpine@130.232.18.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Antti.Kilpinen@abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen) Subject: Re: difference 750c and 755?? >At 15:46 20-09-95 +0300, you wrote: >>>Well, >>> >>>The virtual screen has about the same properties as some of its X relatives, >>>apart from the fact that it is hardware based. This limits the screen to >>>1024x768. When you hit the border it scrolls - very fast. >>>This works on all kinds of WD90C24, I think... >>>On the later chip WD90C24a (?) you can have your internal display set at >>>a virtual desk, with the whole desk at 1024x768 on the external screen. > >Please tell me how I find out which one I have. > >> >>I found the drivers from vwtpe121.exe in pcco > >Where could I get this one? > >Thanks al lot in advance. > >jan > > > anonymous ftp to ftp.pcco.ibm.com -antti From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 25 09:57:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11765; Mon, 25 Sep 95 09:57:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26348; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:45:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:45:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26315; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:45:40 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15796; Mon, 25 Sep 95 08:45:23 CDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 08:45:21 CDT Message-Id: <9509251345.AA15796@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: 760 Advertisement The latest PC/Mac Connection call has lsitings for the new TP 760's. Unfortunately no prices ("call"). Spec's are as follows: 760C: 10.4" active matrix screen, 90MHz Pentium, 720 HD, Tilt keyboard w/ palm rest. 11.7"x8.3"x2", 6.4 Lbs. (IBM Part#9546-U22) 760C: 12.1" active matrix screen, 90MHz Pentium, 720 HD, Tilt keyboard w/ palm rest. 11.7"x8.3"x2", 7.3 Lbs. (IBM Part#9546-U21) 760CD: 12.1" active matrix screen, 90MHz Pentium, 1.2GB HD, Tilt keyboard w/ palm rest. 4X CD-ROM 11.7"x8.3"x2", 7.3 Lbs. (IBM Part#9546-U11) 760C: 12.1" active matrix screen, 120MHz Pentium, 720 HD, Tilt keyboard w/ palm rest. 11.7"x8.3"x2", 7.3 Lbs. (IBM Part#9546-U27) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 25 10:12:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12429; Mon, 25 Sep 95 10:12:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27888; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:04:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:04:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27876; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:04:03 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA17818; Mon, 25 Sep 95 10:04:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 10:04:13 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509251404.AA17818@nile.gnat.com> To: josephw@inc.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 760 Advertisement is the new 12.1" active screen definitely 1024 x 768? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 25 12:40:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22584; Mon, 25 Sep 95 12:40:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12209; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:27:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:27:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12196; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:26:54 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id RAA28152 (8.6.12/ for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:26:33 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:26:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199509251626.RAA28152@asimov.cnam.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: need 720C drive Does someone have a drive for the 720 which they don't need, any size ? mine seems to have gone belly-up - Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 25 13:06:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24255; Mon, 25 Sep 95 13:06:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13856; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:55:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:55:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from steele.ohsu.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13842; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:55:12 -0400 Received: by steele.ohsu.EDU (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06204; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:54:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:54:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Sakaguchi X-Sender: sakaguch@steele To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Windows NT on TP755CX? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm thinking of loading NT onto my CX, but would like to get some info about how well the CX features will work (suspend, hibernation, 800x600 screen drivers, MWAVE, etc). Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ronald L. Sakaguchi, DDS, MS, PhD sakaguch@ohsu.edu Associate Professor 503 494-8692 Oregon Health Sciences University fax: 503 494-8260 Dept of Biomaterials & Biomechanics 611 SW Campus Drive, SD-503 Portland, OR 97201 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 25 14:12:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29201; Mon, 25 Sep 95 14:12:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18201; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:48:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:48:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18191; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:48:02 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@webe.hooked.net [199.2.134.9]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA20825 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:47:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:47:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199509251747.KAA20825@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: 760 Advertisement At 08:45 AM 9/25/95 CDT, Joseph C. Wilson wrote: >The latest PC/Mac Connection call has lsitings for the new TP 760's. >Unfortunately no prices ("call"). Spec's are as follows: > >760C: 12.1" active matrix screen, 120MHz Pentium, 720 HD, Tilt >keyboard w/ palm rest. 11.7"x8.3"x2", 7.3 Lbs. >(IBM Part#9546-U27) WOW.. Do you have a number for pc/mac connection? I was getting ready to jump ship to the new compaqs coming out, but hoping all the while that ibm would do something like this :) I've heard about that tilt keyboard, but not seen any pictures, anyone know what it does? ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 25 16:46:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12195; Mon, 25 Sep 95 16:46:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02655; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:29:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:29:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02550; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:29:36 -0400 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA25372; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:25:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:25:38 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509252025.NAA25372@netcom2.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 760 Advertisement Cc: adam@yggdrasil.com, eric@goonsquad.spies.com, fox@first.cs.nyu.edu, webb@telebit.com The latest PC/Mac Connection call has lsitings for the new TP 760's. Unfortunately no prices ("call"). Spec's are as follows: 760C: 10.4" active matrix screen, 90MHz Pentium, 720 HD, Tilt keyboard w/ palm rest. 11.7"x8.3"x2", 6.4 Lbs. (IBM Part#9546-U22) 760C: 12.1" active matrix screen, 90MHz Pentium, 720 HD, Tilt keyboard w/ palm rest. 11.7"x8.3"x2", 7.3 Lbs. (IBM Part#9546-U21) 760CD: 12.1" active matrix screen, 90MHz Pentium, 1.2GB HD, Tilt keyboard w/ palm rest. 4X CD-ROM 11.7"x8.3"x2", 7.3 Lbs. (IBM Part#9546-U11) 760C: 12.1" active matrix screen, 120MHz Pentium, 720 HD, Tilt keyboard w/ palm rest. 11.7"x8.3"x2", 7.3 Lbs. (IBM Part#9546-U27) PC/Mac connection is at 1-800-800-0002. Prices for the above machines are $5649, $6329, $7719, and N/A, respectively. Availability date is listed as early October but I was advised to not take it seriously. The machines have a LiIon battery and space for a second battery. They have 28.8kbps Mwave modem firmware. The 12.1" screen is 800x600, *not* 1024x768 :-(. I like the idea of a palmrest but I think I'm going to see if 755CX's show up at closeout prices in the next few weeks. The 760 is a lot less interesting than it sounded, if it only has 800x600. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Sep 25 22:45:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09440; Mon, 25 Sep 95 22:45:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01073; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:29:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:28:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01062; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:28:50 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0sxPl1-00010BC; Mon, 25 Sep 95 19:28 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: MWave version 2.00 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad Users List) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text I downloaded version 2.00 of Mwave drivers from Compuserve this morning. I've already installed them under Windows 95, and I like them a lot better than those in v1.1! The highlights IMHO are: - V.34 modem with V.8 (28,800bps!) - Autostarting modem (no need to manually start the modem in startup folder) - Better optimization of the DSP when modem/sounds are in use - Better DSP support for games - Better behaviour in machines with >16 megs of memory. - Support for DSVD capability (Digital Simultaneous Voice & Data) in the modem As of this morning, these files were not availble on the FTP site, but I'll bet they will be in a day or so. The release notes follows: ============================================================================= September 20, 1995 IBM ThinkPad 755CD/CE/CSE/CX/CV/CDV MWave Version 2.00 ====================================================== Here are the files that relate to this release of Mwave code: MWD200-1.EXE Mwave version 2.00 for DOS - disk 1 of 2 MWD200-2.EXE Mwave version 2.00 for DOS - disk 2 of 2 MWW200-1.EXE Mwave version 2.00 for Windows - disk 1 of 2 MWW200-2.EXE Mwave version 2.00 for Windows - disk 2 of 2 MWO200-1.EXE Mwave version 2.00 for OS/2 Warp-disk 1 of 2 MWO200-2.EXE Mwave version 2.00 for OS/2 Warp-disk 2 of 2 MWV200-1.EXE Mwave version 2.00 Audio for Warp-disk 1 of 1 MWM100W1.EXE Mwave version 1.00 Midi Samples- disk 1 of 6 (Windows) MWM100O1.EXE Mwave version 1.00 Midi Samples- disk 1 of 6 (OS/2) MWM100-2.EXE Mwave version 1.00 Midi Samples- disk 2 of 6 MWM100-3.EXE Mwave version 1.00 Midi Samples- disk 3 of 6 MWM100-4.EXE Mwave version 1.00 Midi Samples- disk 4 of 6 MWM100-5.EXE Mwave version 1.00 Midi Samples- disk 5 of 6 MWM100-6.EXE Mwave version 1.00 Midi Samples- disk 6 of 6 The disks posted here are a complete release of Mwave and supersede all previous postings. If you have a DOS/Windows system, you only need to download the two Mwave for DOS disks and the two Mwave for Windows disks to upgrade to Mwave 2.00. Always install the DOS disks first. See below for Midi. In an OS2 environment prior to installing the Mwave version 2 code, please install 'ThinkPad System Management Device Driver' from the ThinkPad Utility disk by using the 'Device Driver Install' utility in OS/2. This is the AODBSMD.SYS driver and enables power to be turned on to the Mwave DSP. If you have Warp, you will need the two Mwave for OS/2 Warp disks and the Mwave Audio for Warp disk (MWV200-1). We have separated the Midi samples installation from the Windows install. These samples are the same as the Mwave 1.00 and 1.10 samples, so if you already have MIDI installed and working you won't need these disks. Note that there are two "disk 1"s; MWM100W1 is for installing the samples in a Windows environment and MWM100O1 is for installing in an OS/2 environment. Regardless of which environment you are using, the disks MWM100-2 through MWM100-6 always follow. The Midi install searches all harddrives for the MWAVE.INI files and updates pointers to the Midi samples. Therefore it is best to do this install last! We are working on a Persistent DOS modem patch and will post it when available. This patch is only for users who make a modem connection in DOS and then start Windows. Other users should not install this patch. ************************************************************************ SUMMARY OF NEW FUNCTIONS AND PROBLEM FIXES FOR Mwave RELEASES Note: In the Changed/Fixed Item list, . n.nn means disk version (e.g. 1.10 Version 1.10) . (New) means new function or enhancement Released Version ---------------- Version 1.00 Oct. 6 1994 Initial Release Version 1.10 Apr. 14 1995 2nd Release for - OS/2 Warp Support - Class 2 Fax Support - High Quality MIDI Synthesizer Support for OS/2 Warp - Corrective Services Changed/Fixed Items for 1.10 ---------------------------- 1.10 (New) OS/2 Warp Support 1.10 (New) Class 2 Fax Support 1.10 (New) High Quality MIDI Synthesizer Support for OS/2 Warp 1.10 When running certain applications in Windows, an out of memory message appears. (This fix was previously available from the PCC BBS as TPW102_1.EXE and TPW102_2.EXE.) 1.10 If &W0 & &W1 are used on one AT command line, only the last one actually works. (This fix was previously available from the PCC BBS as TPW102_1.EXE and TPW102_2.EXE.) 1.10 When attempting to use the Mwave Modem with Windows for Work Groups' Remote Access System (RAS), the connect result message is not properly recognized. 1.10 The Windows virtual COM driver doesn't find the modem active when starting Windows. 1.10 Speakerphone volume is too low on certain telephone lines (for example, Japanese lines). When the speaker volume is increased, the microphone gain would decrease. 1.10 Often seen as a "FAX back" problem, an incompatibility between the Mwave FAX modem and certain FAX machines (or FAX modems) exists. 1.10 When using any application to record WAV files, a clicking sound is audible at the beginning or end of the recording. 1.10 Some DOS communications applications are unable to access the COM ports. 1.10 When the quality of a connection on the phoneline decreases (often recognized by the presence of noise), the Mwave modem renegotiation is taking too long and sometimes causing the connection to be lost. 1.10 Modem data transfer rates are slow when compared to more conventional modems. Note: With older character mode protocols lower throughput data transfer will be experienced. If one of these protocols, such as XMODEM, must be used, some improvement may be achieved by turning off data compression before establishing the modem connection (by using the AT \N0 "H2 commands). The following table shows the improvements made in Mwave 2.0 release for Thinkpads. Changed/Fixed Items for 1.10 vs 2.00 ------------------------------------ USABILITY/QUALITY - Mwave Ver 1.10 - - Mwave Ver 2.00 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No General Help General Help - Varying Help Content - Overview Help Interface - Dispersed/Unlinked Helps - Link to Context Specific Helps User Manually Starts Modem Auto-start modem Concurrency Conflicts and DSP Resource Contention Mgmt System Cryptic/Confusing MSGs - Predetermined Hierarchy of - "All Wave Devices in Use" Function - "MIDI Driver Not Installed" - Example: Modem > .WAV > MIDI - "Insufficient DSP Resources" - Varying Levels of Audio Quality Depending on Avail. Resources (eg. MIDI Voices: 24-16-8-0) - Auto Resume or Quality Boost Whenever Resources Become Avail - Reduce Cryptic/Confusing MSGs DOS Batch File Configuration DOS Configuration Utility - Sound Blaster Games - Advanced Modem DMA Limited to 16MB RAM in Mwave Function in Systems >16MB RAM Windows Systems - 2MB Reserved for DMA Transfer - Releasable on Demand Speakerphone Suspend Limitation Speakerphone Suspend Suppression - ThinkPad May Suspend if Inactive During Phone Call AUDIO - Mwave Ver 1.10 - - Mwave Ver 2.00 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 16 bit MPC Level 2 Compatible = Stereo/Mono = WAV Play/Record Windows Sound System Audio Compression = Simultaneous PCM Play/Record = Multiple .WAV Opens = 6 KHz to 44.1 KHz Sampling = Audio Applets Windows Sound System Mixer CD Audio Play = Sound Blaster Power Management Support for DOS General MIDI Compatible = Wavetable Sampled Sound Synthesis = Q-Sound Feature = MIDI Port (755CD) = MODEM/FAX/TELEPHONY - Mwave Ver 1.10 - - Mwave Ver 2.00 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Data Modem (up to V.32bis/14.4) Data Modem (up to V.34/28.8) Improved Modem Performance - 55% Thru-put Improv. vs 1.00 on Older (Xmodem) Protocols - Newer Pr'col: equal or better V.42, MNP Class 1-4 (Err Corr) = V.42bis, MNP Class 5 (Compr) = DOS Modem Support = 36 Character AT Command Limit 84 Character AT Command Limit FAX Modems (up to V.17/14.4) = Class 2 FAX Improved Application Compatibility Full Featured Telephone Enabled = Digital Answering Machine = Voice/FAX Discrim in Windows Voice/FAX/Modem Discrim in Windows Voice/FAX/Modem Discrim in OS/2 = Speakerphone Improved Speakerphone - Improved Volume & Quality - Less Dependent on Phone Line, Speaker, Mic, Position - Consumes Fewer DSP Resources Single Phone Line Capability = ************************************************************************ Installing Mwave 2.0 --------------------------- a. Mwave for DOS: - At a DOS prompt, not a DOS box in OS2 or Windows - Insert the Mwave for DOS disk 1 into the diskette drive. - Type "A:INSTALL" and press Enter. - Follow the instructions on the installation windows and insert additional disks when prompted. - If error messages appear at the end of installation, click OK and complete the installation. (Even though these messages may appear, the installation should be successful.) - When installation is complete, reboot your ThinkPad. - Type command FASTCFG to set defaults for Mwave modem or games at the command prompt b. Mwave for Windows: NOTE: Before you update Mwave for Windows, make sure that you installed Mwave for DOS. - From Windows Program Manager menu bar, select File and then select Run. - Insert the Mwave for Windows disk 1 into the diskette drive. - In the Command line entry box, type "A:SETUP" and press Enter. - Follow the instructions on the installation windows and insert additional disks when prompted. - If error messages appear at the end of installation, click OK and complete the installation. (Even though these messages may appear, the installation should be successful.) - When installation is complete, close Windows and reboot your ThinkPad. c. Mwave for OS/2 Warp*: - Insert the Mwave for OS/2 disk 1 into the diskette drive. - Go to an OS/2 window. - Type "A:SETUP" and press Enter. - Follow the instructions on the installation windows and insert additional diskettes when prompted. - After Mwave disk 2 has completed, shutdown OS/2 and reboot your ThinkPad. - Insert the MWV200-1 (Audio for Warp) in the diskette drive. - Go to an OS/2 window. - Type "A:SETUP" and press Enter. - Follow the instructions on the installation windows and install all support. - After install is finished, shutdown OS/2 and reboot your ThinkPad. * Note that "Multi Media Software Support" from Warp must be already installed. (This is not the same as "Multimedia Device Support")! d. Mwave Midi Samples -Start Windows or OS/2 a) If Windows insert MWM100W1 - File - Run - A:SETUP b) If Warp insert MWM100O1 - OS/2 Window - A:setup Follow with disks MWM100-2 thru MWM100-6 The following environments have been tested and are supported: -DOS (6.3 -DOS/Windows 3.11 -Win95 compatible mode (IE Windows 3.11 equivalent,16 bit support) -Warp -Warp Connect -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 02:45:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21316; Tue, 26 Sep 95 02:45:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16212; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:37:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:37:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16202; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:37:43 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA24648; Tue, 26 Sep 95 07:36:28 +0100 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA34244; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 07:33:24 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sxTWk-000DOnC; Tue, 26 Sep 95 07:30 MET Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 07:30:02 +0100 (MET) From: Hanno Wagner To: Mehdi Attaran Cc: Thinkpad Users List Subject: Re: MWave version 2.00 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, On Mon, 25 Sep 1995, Mehdi Attaran wrote: > As of this morning, these files were not availble on the FTP site, but I'll > bet they will be in a day or so. where will they be on ftp? Here in germany, IBM told me there is no ftp site from them, so I can only upgrade via modem which I don't have or I have to buy a diskette for 70$ from a IBM seller... Ciao, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK email: wagner@www.bid.fh-hannover.de URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:80/~wagner/ IRC: Rince (usually on #germany or #muenster or #braunschweig) "This is also a story about sex and drugs and Music With Rocks In. Well... ...one out of three ain't bad." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 08:22:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06682; Tue, 26 Sep 95 08:22:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15633; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:11:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:11:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.ge.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15623; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:11:36 -0400 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA05050; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:11:33 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com (stes02.sch.ge.com [3.72.108.134]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA05272; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:06:59 -0400 Received: from SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM (smtpgw.sch.ge.com [3.10.206.1]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA29670; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:11:30 -0400 Received: by SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM with Microsoft Mail id <3067EE70@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM>; Tue, 26 Sep 95 08:13:36 edt From: "Pallante, Joseph" To: mehdi , tp750 Subject: RE: MWave version 2.00 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 08:09:00 edt Message-Id: <3067EE70@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Strange... If it truly was released on Septemer 20, it is strange that the only place it is available nearly a WEEK later is Compuserve. Great news though! Can't wait to get a copy... Joe ---------- The release notes follows: ============================================================================= September 20, 1995 IBM ThinkPad 755CD/CE/CSE/CX/CV/CDV MWave Version 2.00 ====================================================== Here are the files that relate to this release of Mwave code: [Snip!] From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 11:38:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14652; Tue, 26 Sep 95 11:38:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04887; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:25:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:25:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from duvi.eskom.co.za by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04862; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:25:16 -0400 Received: from netman.eskom.co.za by duvi.eskom.co.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sxbs0-0001d8C; Tue, 26 Sep 95 17:24 RSA Received: from MP2NFS02/SpoolDir by netman.eskom.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 26 Sep 95 17:24:31 GMT+2 Received: from SpoolDir by MP2NFS02 (Mercury 1.21); 26 Sep 95 17:24:20 GMT+2 From: "Richard Ellerbrock" Organization: ESKOM Information Technology To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:24:12 GMT+2 Subject: SoundBlaster compatibility on 755c Reply-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za X-Confirm-Reading-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <3B4DA35C5@netman.eskom.co.za> This maybe a stupid question, but is there any way of getting SoundBlaster compatibility on a 755c? -- richarde@netman.eskom.co.za Richard Ellerbrock (ECNE) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 13:20:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22042; Tue, 26 Sep 95 13:20:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14553; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:05:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:05:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.crl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14537; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:05:40 -0400 Received: from mfischer.crl.com (crl13.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA06073 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:04:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:04:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199509261704.AA06073@mail.crl.com> X-Sender: mfischer@mail.crl.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Michael Fischer Subject: WIN 95 Screen Resolution All of a sudden (well, after I installed bios 1.20) I have a problem with my Thinkpad 360 CSE running Windows 95. Prior to this installation I was able to run (in Win 95) in 1024x768 mode on my Impression 5 SVGA monitor. After installation it told me I had a problem and now I can only run in 640 - 256 color or 800 - 16 color mode. In the display control pnael I shows I'm running Western Digital 4.0 display adapter and Super VGA 1024x768 monitor. Yet the slide switch shows only 640 and 800 modes. When I move the slide to 800 mode, it switches colors to 16. When I switch color back to 256 it switches the mode to 640 mode. I just reran IMBVESA vinstall to give me a 640, 800, and 1024 mode viodeo (although it already was at that), and confirmed on booting that this is the mode set up. Any ideas? TIA Michael Fischer From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 13:51:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23843; Tue, 26 Sep 95 13:51:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18079; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:42:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:42:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18067; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:42:16 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA24757; Tue, 26 Sep 95 13:31:42 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9509261331.ZM24755@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:31:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Hi! I recently acquired an 810mb HD (IBM Brand) and proceeded to reformat and partition it so that I could have a DOS/Windows/OS2 (FAT) partition and a Linux partition. After formating the Drive, (using MS-DOS 6.22) I only saw 770 megs... I figured that it had defaulted to a huge sector size or something like that and therefore ignored the problem... Now I'm trying to use Linux's FDISK to create a linux and swap partition and it seems that my HD and the partition table are very confused. Any sugestions? Should I reformat w/ PC-DOS? MS-DOS 6.3? Should I do a fdisk /mbr? I did format the disk once for HPFS (before this happened) and tried to intall dual boot in it. I could not figure it out, so i reformated w/ DOS (I think that the 770megs first appeared when I reformated for HPFS) If this sounds confusing, it is because I am... Thanks in advance... Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 14:45:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27856; Tue, 26 Sep 95 14:45:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21943; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:10:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:10:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21920; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:10:16 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 14:09 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: art@aars.mit.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:31:41 -0400 from "Arturo J. Morales" Subject: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD From: "Arturo J. Morales" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:31:41 -0400 I recently acquired an 810mb HD (IBM Brand) and proceeded to reformat and partition it so that I could have a DOS/Windows/OS2 (FAT) partition and a Linux partition. After formating the Drive, (using MS-DOS 6.22) I only saw 770 megs... I figured that it had defaulted to a huge sector size or something like that and therefore ignored the problem... Now I'm trying to use Linux's FDISK to create a linux and swap partition and it seems that my HD and the partition table are very confused. Any sugestions? Should I reformat w/ PC-DOS? MS-DOS 6.3? Should I do a fdisk /mbr? I went through this problem last week, with a Sigma Data drive. The Linux kernel (1.2.13) configured the drive geometry as 1571/16/63 (cylinders/heads/sectors) but DOS and OS/2 both configured it as 785/32/63. Consequently Linux fdisk was unhappy with the partition table that had been laid down by OS/2 fdisk. If I had done the partitioning with Linux, DOS and OS/2 would have been unhappy instead. Since I don't know how to control the DOS and OS/2 geometry configuration, I fixed the problem by forcing Linux to configure the drive the same way that DOS and OS/2 do: using the following line in my "/etc/lilo.conf" file: append="floppy=thinkpad hd=785,32,63" BTW, this has nothing to do with formatting. Only the partitioning and the disk geometry matter, and if the systems all agree on the geometry, then they will also agree on the partitioning. So don't reformat your DOS partition unless you have reason to believe that the data on it is corrupt. This also has nothing to do with 770 megabytes vs. 810 megabytes; the disk has about 811x10^6 bytes, which is roughly 773x2^20 bytes. It all depends what you mean by a "megabyte" -- disk manufacturers tend to use 10^6 bytes while fdisk uses 2^20. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 15:00:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28597; Tue, 26 Sep 95 15:00:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25748; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:36:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:36:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25692; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:36:30 -0400 Received: from rufus.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id LAA17241; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:36:01 -0700 Received: by rufus.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id LAA03220; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:35:59 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:35:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199509261835.LAA03220@rufus.UCSC.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: dick@cats.ucsc.edu (Dick Terdiman) Subject: Advice on Thinkpad purchase Cc: dick@cats.ucsc.edu Dear Thinkpad users, I'm hoping for some advice concerning a new Thinkpad purchase, and I'd appreciate responses to the questions below, or any other ideas you have. Please respond directly to me (dick@cats.ucsc.edu) to save bandwidth on the net. Thanks very much for your help. 1. I'm looking to buy a 755-series machine with an active matrix screen, a Pentium processor, and a large hard drive. I understand the CD-equipped Thinkpad (755CD) is now a Pentium machine, but does NOT have the DSP features or the SVGA screen that the 755CX has. I have a SCSI-II 3x external CD player that I could connect via a PC (PCMCIA) card as I do with my current 720 Thinkpad. How important is it to have the CD built in vs. the DSP and SVGA capabilities of the 755CX? Is the SVGA screen really dynamite? 2. Are there further developments about to happen (new processor speeds; possible integrated "bay" arrangements [CD player; extra battery; floppy drive as on the NEC Versa 4000 series]; new screen resolutions or sizes; price changes) that I should know about to time my purchase right? 3. I can get an "education" discount from IBM PC Direct (4 percent). Where do you think I should look for best price among other vendors? Any vendor who consistently undersells and provides reliable sales? 4. I work with many people in the Windows environment. With my new machine should I expect problems upgrading to Windows 95? Is anyone selling the 755s with Windows 95 already installed? I know many people in this newsgroup love OS/2. But is it worth migrating? 5. How much memory should I get with my new machine? Who sells memory cheapest? 6. Where is best source for an Ethernet PC card for the new machine? How much should I expect to pay. Sorry about how elementary some of these questions are. I don't usually spend $5000 at one time, so I'm a bit timid, and I know there's lots of knowledge out there that could help me make the right choices. Please share yours with me. Thanks for your help. Dick Terdiman Literature Dept UC Santa Cruz dick@cats.ucsc.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 15:35:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00333; Tue, 26 Sep 95 15:35:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01793; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:22:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:22:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.vassar.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01779; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:22:24 -0400 Received: from cssun3 (cssun3.vassar.edu) by cs.vassar.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04028; Tue, 26 Sep 95 15:22:12 EDT From: manning@cs.vassar.edu (Joseph Manning) Received: by cssun3 (4.1) id AA00574; Tue, 26 Sep 95 15:22:25 EDT Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 15:22:25 EDT Message-Id: <9509261922.AA00574@cssun3> To: art@aars.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Arturo J. Morales" ' dated: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:31:41 -0400 Cc: manning@cs.vassar.edu >>> From: "Arturo J. Morales" >>> Subject: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD >>> >>> I recently acquired an 810mb HD (IBM Brand) and proceeded to reformat and >>> partition it so that I could have a DOS/Windows/OS2 (FAT) partition and a Linux >>> partition. After formating the Drive, (using MS-DOS 6.22) I only saw 770 >>> megs... Arturo, IBM's so-called "810mb" disk is, in fact, an 810-million-byte disk. And 810,000,000 bytes = 772 mega-bytes. So maybe your re-partitioning worked correctly after all, and there's no "lost" space on your disk. It really stinks, the way some small-minded smart-ass marketing types at IBM and some other companies have decided to deceptively re-interpret "mb" to mean "million-byte" rather than "mega-byte", and introduce all this unnecessary confusion. Joseph Joseph Manning / Computer Science / Vassar College / manning@cs.vassar.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 16:53:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08811; Tue, 26 Sep 95 16:53:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10367; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:40:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:40:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10357; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:40:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:40:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199509262040.QAA10357@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from mba ([128.174.133.74]) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 evaluation license) with SMTP id AAA141 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:40:15 -0500 X-Sender: schou@mba.cba.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Sean Chou Subject: Re: Windows NT on TP755CX? At 09:54 AM 9/25/95 -0700, you wrote: >I'm thinking of loading NT onto my CX, but would like to get some info >about how well the CX features will work (suspend, hibernation, 800x600 >screen drivers, MWAVE, etc). Any help would be appreciated! NT 3.51 supports PCMCIA, but other than that you'll be out of luck. To the best of my knowledge, there is no APM support, video drivers, or MWAVE drivers. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu Illinois MBA Web Page From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 17:14:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10003; Tue, 26 Sep 95 17:14:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14130; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:03:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:03:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14119; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:03:42 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 17:03 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: dick@cats.ucsc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:35:59 -0700 from dick@cats.ucsc.edu (Dick Terdiman) Subject: Advice on Thinkpad purchase Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:35:59 -0700 From: dick@cats.ucsc.edu (Dick Terdiman) I understand the CD-equipped Thinkpad (755CD) is now a Pentium machine, but does NOT have the DSP features or the SVGA screen that the 755CX has. Not sure about this, but I think the 755CD has the MWave DSP audio. You're correct, though, that it doesn't have the SVGA screen. 2. Are there further developments about to happen (new processor speeds; possible integrated "bay" arrangements [CD player; extra battery; floppy drive as on the NEC Versa 4000 series]; new screen resolutions or sizes; price changes) that I should know about to time my purchase right? The new 760C, about to be announced, is available in a model with both the SVGA screen and a built-in CD-ROM drive. Yesterday, someone quoted a $7700 price for this unit, from PC Connection. 3. I can get an "education" discount from IBM PC Direct (4 percent). Where do you think I should look for best price among other vendors? Any vendor who consistently undersells and provides reliable sales? I priced the 755CX/SVGA/810MB from several vendors this week. IBM Direct came out cheapest at $5039 ($5249 without the educational discount). Competing prices included $5050 (educational discount) from USA Flex and $5199 (no discount) from PC Connection. I had wanted the unit with 1.2GB disk, but it is still unavailable. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 17:38:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11955; Tue, 26 Sep 95 17:38:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18019; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:30:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:30:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17963; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:30:05 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA02389; Tue, 26 Sep 95 17:30:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 17:30:15 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509262130.AA02389@nile.gnat.com> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu, dick@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: Advice on Thinkpad purchase Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU the 755CD does have the MWAVE. One word of caution. The 755CD is noticably thicker than the 755CX. Make sure you like this extra thickness! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 26 18:21:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14515; Tue, 26 Sep 95 18:21:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04166; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:40:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:40:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04145; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:40:18 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA00427; Tue, 26 Sep 95 15:40:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 15:40:27 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509261940.AA00427@nile.gnat.com> To: art@aars.mit.edu, manning@cs.vassar.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD " It really stinks, the way some small-minded smart-ass marketing types at IBM and some other companies have decided to deceptively re-interpret "mb" to mean "million-byte" rather than "mega-byte", and introduce all this unnecessary confusion." I think the confusion is inevitable, mega SHOULD mean a million. It was inevitably confusing to misuse these very standard prefixes in the computer contexts for no good reason. In fact IBM ads are always very clear that they are talking abvout millions of bytes, and frankly I think that is actually a clearer unit for most people than the rather odd 2**20! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 19:08:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17179; Tue, 26 Sep 95 19:08:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21255; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:02:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:02:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21243; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:02:05 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16330; Tue, 26 Sep 95 14:02:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 14:02:19 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509261802.AA16330@nile.gnat.com> To: mfischer@crl.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 760 & max memory query does anyone know if the 760 allows more memory than 40 megs? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 21:42:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27025; Tue, 26 Sep 95 21:42:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06428; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:30:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:30:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06402; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:30:33 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28963; Tue, 26 Sep 95 20:30:28 CDT Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 20:30:27 CDT Message-Id: <9509270130.AA28963@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: 760 & max memory query >does anyone know if the 760 allows more memory than 40 megs? > > RAM limit is still 40 megs Joe Wilson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 21:42:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27031; Tue, 26 Sep 95 21:42:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06803; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:33:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:33:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06792; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:33:55 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28996; Tue, 26 Sep 95 20:33:51 CDT Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 20:33:50 CDT Message-Id: <9509270133.AA28996@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: 760 Advertisement Do you have a number for pc/mac connection? 1-800-800-1111 > >I was getting ready to jump ship to the new compaqs coming out, but hoping >all the while that ibm would do something like this :) New Conpaq's are also listed in the Oct/Nov. catalog so you can do a little bit of comparison > >I've heard about that tilt keyboard, but not seen any pictures, anyone know >what it does? Nope From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 21:51:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27545; Tue, 26 Sep 95 21:51:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07515; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:42:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:42:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07504; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:42:20 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0sxlVo-00010BC; Tue, 26 Sep 95 18:42 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: Advice on Thinkpad purchase To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9509262130.AA02389@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Sep 26, 95 05:30:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > One word of caution. The 755CD is noticably thicker than the 755CX. Make > sure you like this extra thickness! Not to mention the extra pound of weight on the 755CD. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 22:17:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28629; Tue, 26 Sep 95 22:17:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09779; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:06:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:06:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09763; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:05:59 -0400 Received: from navajo.gate.net (jbush@navajo.gate.net [199.227.0.15]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA104678 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:02:08 -0400 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by navajo.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA25083; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:04:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:04:56 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bush To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: ram increase Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII using a tp755ce, base memory 8meg ram plus simple 8meg ram card. wish to increase ram to 32 megs. how do and what is the best way to do it with? thanks in advance jamie From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Sep 26 23:50:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07360; Tue, 26 Sep 95 23:50:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17756; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:36:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:36:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sentinel.synapse.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17744; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:36:47 -0400 Received: from violin-11.synapse.net (violin-11.synapse.net [199.84.52.227]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id XAA03587 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199509270336.XAA03587@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Sender: phong@pop.synapse.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: phong@phsmc.synapse.net (Patrick Hong) Subject: Re: ram increase >using a tp755ce, base memory 8meg ram plus simple 8meg ram card. > >wish to increase ram to 32 megs. how do and what is the best way to do it >with? > Only way to 32MB is with the DIMM module and you would have to buy the 8MB and 16MB memory chips. If 24MB will suffice, you can buy the 16MB IC DRAM card. ______________________________________________________________________ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@phsmc.synapse.net (613) 769-1544 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 00:32:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09001; Wed, 27 Sep 95 00:32:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22095; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:24:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:24:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blob.best.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22083; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:24:10 -0400 From: Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA05841; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:24:07 -0700 Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA21884; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:24:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:24:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199509270424.VAA21884@shell1.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 120Mhz Pentium upgrade for 755CX?? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: sandy@sandy.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Anyone know yet if IBM plans to offer a 120Mhz Pentium upgrade for the 755 CE/CD/CX or is the soon-to-be-announced 760 represent the official "death" of the 750-755 series ThinkPads? _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ _ ( @ @ ) _ | |------.oOOo--()--oOOo.--------| | | | Internet : sandy@sandy.com | | | |--------------- Oooo.---------| | | | .oooO ( ) | | | | ( ) ) / | | | | \ ( (_/ | | | | \_) | | | | |\ _,,,---,,_ | | | | zzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_.. | | | | |,*< ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' | | | | '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | | ^ ^ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 03:18:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03496; Wed, 27 Sep 95 03:18:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29317; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:04:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:04:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ub4b.eunet.be by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29296; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 03:04:28 -0400 Received: from gate.eurocontrol.be by ub4b.eunet.be (ub4b_08) id AA04074; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:06:44 +0100 Received: from hp817s2.mis.eurocontrol.be by gate.eurocontrol.be with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA011386142; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:15:42 +0100 Received: from MISSMTP1 (missmtp1.mis.eurocontrol.be) by hp817s2.mis.eurocontrol.be with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA129595338; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:02:18 +0100 Received: by MISSMTP1 with Microsoft Mail id <3068E915@MISSMTP1>; Wed, 27 Sep 95 08:03:01 DST From: "PELLATT David, DED/2" To: TP750 Subject: Linux & X on TP755CX Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 08:06:00 DST Message-Id: <3068E915@MISSMTP1> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Can anyone help me out here ? I've installed Linux on a TP755CX without any hitches and I now have X running but only in 640x480 (though the virtual screen seems to be ok). X complains, something about "dot clock" speeds (?), and discards any attempts to get it to recognise 800x600. I guess there are parameters that I have to set in the XF86Config file; what do they have to be to get the full resolution ? Is anyone out there happily running X to 800x600 on a 755CX ? Thanks, Dave Pellatt From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 04:23:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23601; Wed, 27 Sep 95 04:23:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06655; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:11:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06641; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:10:57 -0400 Received: from cassandra.acru.uq.oz.au (actually cassandra.geosp.uq.edu.au) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:10:21 +1000 Received: by cassandra.acru.uq.oz.au (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12213; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:10:19 +1000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:10:19 +1000 (EST) From: Sven Dowideit Subject: subscribe To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII please re-subscribe me our host was obviously down (or something of that nature) svend =============================================================================== Sven Dowideit svend@cassandra.acru.uq.oz.au Applied Climate Research Unit PH 365 4101 (work) University of Queensland 289 2325 (home) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 07:07:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00217; Wed, 27 Sep 95 07:07:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25147; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:54:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:54:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hpserv0.cs.uit.no by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25137; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:54:27 -0400 Received: from haralds.cs.uit.no by hpserv0.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/Task/HJ-5) id AA039699251; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:54:12 +0100 Received: by haralds.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/HJ/Task-5) id AA277149250; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:54:10 +0100 From: harald@staff.cs.uit.no (Harald Skotnes) Message-Id: <199509271054.AA277149250@haralds.cs.uit.no> Subject: Re: MWave version 2.00 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:54:09 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Hanno Wagner" at Sep 26, 95 07:30:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23GIJ-4] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have just installed Mwave2.00. It wiped out all the countries in "Country Selection" except Japan and US/Canada. As it happends I live in Norway and my Mwave modem now only says "BUSY". I tried to copy back the old datafiles in C:\MWW\WORLDTRD. I can now select "Norway" but I get the message: MWME0001: Mwave Modem Internal Error Primary Code:5(0x0005) Secondary Code:4294967283(0xfffffff3) File:MWMSPCFC.C Line:4267 Anyone outside US/Japan got MWave2.00 up and running? -- //// Harald Skotnes // Email: harald@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Dept. of Computer Science // Phone: +47 77 64 41 16 // // University of Tromsoe // Fax: +47 77 64 40 54 /// / N-9037 TROMSOE NORWAY // Like it or not, it's One World //// From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 07:26:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00454; Wed, 27 Sep 95 07:26:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25769; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:14:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:14:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25758; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:14:26 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA09036; Wed, 27 Sep 95 07:14:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 07:14:14 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509271114.AA09036@nile.gnat.com> To: harald@staff.cs.uit.no, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: MWave version 2.00 I am using the Mwave modem in the US (the old 14.4) with no problems. I will shortly be traveling to Germany and England, what do I need to sucessfully use the Mwave modem there to call back to the US and connect? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 07:56:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06546; Wed, 27 Sep 95 07:56:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27312; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:45:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:45:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27295; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:45:13 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA09096; Wed, 27 Sep 95 07:45:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 07:45:16 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509271145.AA09096@nile.gnat.com> To: harald@staff.cs.uit.no, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: MWave version 2.00 what exactly is the Telephony Kit for the 755CD, do I need it for my purposes (traveling in Germany and England, calling back to the US?) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 08:48:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08607; Wed, 27 Sep 95 08:48:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26582; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:30:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:30:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hpserv0.cs.uit.no by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26559; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:30:31 -0400 Received: from haralds.cs.uit.no by hpserv0.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/Task/HJ-5) id AA088171423; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:30:24 +0100 Received: by haralds.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/HJ/Task-5) id AA278391422; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:30:22 +0100 From: harald@staff.cs.uit.no (Harald Skotnes) Message-Id: <199509271130.AA278391422@haralds.cs.uit.no> Subject: Re: MWave version 2.00 To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:30:22 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9509271114.AA09036@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Sep 27, 95 07:14:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23GIJ-4] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I am using the Mwave modem in the US (the old 14.4) with no problems. I > will shortly be traveling to Germany and England, what do I need to > sucessfully use the Mwave modem there to call back to the US and connect? > When I finally got the Telephony Kit for the 755CD there was a diskette called: IBM Thinkpad 755CE/755CD Mwave DSP Telephony Diskette. Version1.10. This diskette containes a lot of files called WTTBL0XX.DAT which gives you the oppurtunity to select different countries in the "Country Selection". You have to install this. I have now read the MWAVE200.DOC file and it says something like: "Do not install MWAVE200 if you plan to use your modem in any other countries than Japan/US/Canada." So much for being in a hurry getting the latest update of everything :( -- //// Harald Skotnes // Email: harald@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Dept. of Computer Science // Phone: +47 77 64 41 16 // // University of Tromsoe // Fax: +47 77 64 40 54 /// / N-9037 TROMSOE NORWAY // Like it or not, it's One World //// From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 09:03:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09110; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:03:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00935; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:51:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:51:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00925; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:51:12 -0400 Received: from cyclone.mitre.org (cyclone.mitre.org [128.29.86.13]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA24290 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:51:09 -0400 Received: from mbppp38.mitre.org by cyclone.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12724; Wed, 27 Sep 95 08:51:08 EDT Message-Id: <9509271251.AA12724@cyclone.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@cyclone X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:52:55 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: David Hite Subject: Problems with Mwave 2.0 I copied the following message from the Compuserve Thinkpad forum. =========================== start of included message ===================== Right now the 28.8 modem is only homologated in the US, Canada and Japan... Other countrys will follow, but I don't know which ones or when... There should have been a section in the MWAVE200.DOC file that mentioned this - I will add one in now and also a news flash - and I'll get the document revised officially... sorry about that... no way that I know of to use the V.34 modem outside of the US, Canada and Japan at the moment... I will look into what files are required to go back to the V.32bis modem tomorrow at work... Mike Anderson, ThinkPad Forum Sysop IBM PC Co Mobile Products Tech Support 7:33 PM, Tuesday, September 26, 1995 ============================ end of included message ====================== I have no idea what "homologated" means. Does anybody else? David From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 09:35:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10335; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:35:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02209; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:12:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:12:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02199; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:12:37 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA6670; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:06:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9509271606.AA6670@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id FA42E8660D01E383852562440046F80B; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:06:09 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 27 Sep 95 9:08:08 EDT Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....at IBM and some other companies have decided to deceptively re-interpret "mb" to mean "million-byte" rather than "mega-byte", and introduce all...." ~~~~~ it gets worse. any drive manufacturer will sell you a 540,000,000 byte drive as a 540 megabytes. dos chkdsk will show you roughly 540,000,000 bytes. fdisk will show you roughly 527,000 KB. your cmos will show you roughly 514MB. all accurate calculations considering they'll always show 1000s & always hide 1024s. i agree that it's deliberately deceptive. older, smaller drives often have more honest labels. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 09:36:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10349; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:36:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04143; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:28:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:28:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom14.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04132; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:28:00 -0400 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA15707; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:24:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:24:28 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509271324.GAA15707@netcom14.netcom.com> To: dhite@mitre.org, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 Homologated for country X means adapted for the technical requirements of that country's phone system; and/or, approved for use in country X by whoever runs country X's phone system. Phone systems do differ slightly in ways that affect modems and non-homologated modems intended for the US market sometimes work in other countries, but not always reliably. In principle one can get in trouble for using a non-approved modem in some countries, but it doesn't happen much in practice. --Paul (former employee of a modem company) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 09:55:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12195; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:55:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05623; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:42:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:42:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05611; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:42:16 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA23826 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:42:13 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id JAA19993; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:42:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 In-Reply-To: <9509271251.AA12724@cyclone.mitre.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Uhm...is MWave 2.0 only available off of Compuserve at the moment? If so, I think it's time to do one of those many trial account disk packs I have :) On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, David Hite wrote: > I copied the following message from the Compuserve Thinkpad forum. > =========================== start of included message ===================== > Right now the 28.8 modem is only homologated in the US, Canada and Japan... > Other countrys will follow, but I don't know which ones or when... There > should have been a section in the MWAVE200.DOC file that mentioned this - I > will add one in now and also a news flash - and I'll get the document > revised officially... sorry about that... no way that I know of to use the > V.34 modem outside of the US, Canada and Japan at the moment... I will look > into what files are required to go back to the V.32bis modem tomorrow at work... > > Mike Anderson, ThinkPad Forum Sysop > IBM PC Co Mobile Products Tech Support > 7:33 PM, Tuesday, September 26, 1995 > ============================ end of included message ====================== > > I have no idea what "homologated" means. Does anybody else? > > David > > http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 09:58:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12382; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:58:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06532; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:49:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:49:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06495; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:49:28 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA12523; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:49:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:49:48 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509271349.AA12523@nile.gnat.com> To: Michael_Verne/VENTANA.ITP@lgate.vmedia.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Michael, you say that older smaller drives have more honest labels, but why should you think that the peculoiar computer use of mega-byte which is a misuse of a prefix with centuries of precedent is more honest. I personally prefer the reversion to the standard use of mega for disks. That's because the "small" discrepancy between 1024 and 1000 becomes larger and hard to figure for multi-gigabyte disks. Real data use is related to the real world, for example, if I have a document that is a million characters long, it needs a million characters of disk storage, not a megabyte in the "wrong" computer sense. I find the claim that this is deliberately deceptive to be without foundation! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 10:03:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12547; Wed, 27 Sep 95 10:03:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06232; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:46:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:46:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06219; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:46:24 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA12430; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:46:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:46:26 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509271346.AA12430@nile.gnat.com> To: dhite@mitre.org, phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 homologate is an unusual word, but an old one. From OED-2, the meaning that applies is 1b spec. in Sc. Law. To ratify or rebder valid (a deed in itself defective or informal) by some subsequent act which expresses or implies assent to it. First reference is 1765 Its use in this context seems wrong. I don't know who at IBM loves long words without quite understanding them :-) There is a lot to be said for plain language! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 10:39:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14577; Wed, 27 Sep 95 10:39:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10623; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:25:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:25:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10599; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:25:11 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02421; Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:25:05 CDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 09:25:04 CDT Message-Id: <9509271425.AA02421@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: ram increase >using a tp755ce, base memory 8meg ram plus simple 8meg ram card. > >wish to increase ram to 32 megs. how do and what is the best way to do it >with? Order DIMM Adapter and DIMM memory modules from IBM. Using IC-DRAM cards limits you to, I believe, 24 megs. I am not positive about this, but I think you can only get the DIMM Adapter & modules from IBM. Anyone able to provide more info on this? Joe Wilson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 11:30:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17386; Wed, 27 Sep 95 11:30:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16933; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:15:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:15:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16918; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:15:42 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA03720 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:15:39 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id LAA03455; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:15:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:15:36 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 In-Reply-To: <9509271346.AA12430@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU oh shaddup :) *duck* On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > homologate is an unusual word, but an old one. From OED-2, the meaning > that applies is 1b > > spec. in Sc. Law. To ratify or rebder valid (a deed in itself defective > or informal) by some subsequent act which expresses or implies assent to it. > > First reference is 1765 > > Its use in this context seems wrong. I don't know who at IBM loves long words > without quite understanding them :-) There is a lot to be said for plain > language! > http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 11:43:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18016; Wed, 27 Sep 95 11:43:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11775; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:32:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:32:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11758; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:32:19 -0400 Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA18882; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:27:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:27:30 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509271427.HAA18882@netcom18.netcom.com> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, dhite@mitre.org, phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 homologate is an unusual word, but an old one. From OED-2, the meaning that applies is 1b ... Its use in this context seems wrong. I don't know who at IBM loves long words without quite understanding them :-) There is a lot to be said for plain language! Homologate and homologation are well-accepted terms in modem standards jargon. They are probably used in other areas of international product development as well. They are technical terms and it doesn't much matter what the OED says about their non-technical meanings. The OED may say something about "homology" too, but what it says probably wouldn't shed much light on what a mathemetician means by "homology". And its definitions of "stack" or "tree" probably wouldn't be of much help in reading a computer science text. :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 12:53:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24889; Wed, 27 Sep 95 12:53:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10101; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:22:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:22:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10083; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:22:25 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA7109; Wed, 27 Sep 95 10:15:56 -0700 Message-Id: <9509271715.AA7109@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 533D17DFF60101BC85256244004C7B63; Wed, 27 Sep 95 10:15:53 To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 27 Sep 95 10:19:28 EDT Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain ".....Michael, you say that older smaller drives have more honest labels, but why should you think that the peculoiar computer use of mega-byte which is a misuse of a prefix with centuries of precedent is more honest. I personally prefer the reversion to the standard use of mega for disks. That's because the "small" discrepancy between 1024 and 1000 becomes larger and hard to figure for multi-gigabyte disks. Real data use is related to the real world, for example, if I have a document that is a million characters long, it needs a million characters of disk storage, not a megabyte in the "wrong" computer sense. I find the claim that this is deliberately deceptive to be without foundation!...." ~~~~~~~~~~ it is more honest precisely because of the centuries of precedent. if "MB=million bytes" were a new standard, then I'd agree with you that it's better, but the point is that it's not standard. As long as os utilities, system board bios's, and software packages' "system requirements lists" show disk capacity in different terms than the disk manufacturer, then there is no standard. if there were a change in the standard, that would have been great because, yes, people do understand thousands better than k's, but the fact is that showing disk capacity in million bytes and calling it "MB" is deceptive to anyone who is familiar with disk capacity, and, as luck would have it, it's deceptive in favor of the disk manufacturer. he gets to put a larger number on his disk than the one that most people are familiar with and most software will reflect. spare me the martyr speech about how disk manufacturers are trying to make life easy for the end user. they're doing the same thing canned food manufacturers are doing when, rather than raise the price of an 8oz can, they start selling 7.5oz cans that don't look any different. if they use "MB" which has always meant megabyte, and still does to bios engineers and software developers, then they are being deliberately deceptive. if the advantage were in favor of the consumer, they would not be making an unprofitable change just for our sake. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 13:01:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25627; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:01:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28194; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:50:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:50:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28172; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:49:56 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16881; Wed, 27 Sep 95 12:48:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 12:48:42 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509271648.AA16881@nile.gnat.com> To: dhite@mitre.org, phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 the fact that these are well-accepted terms in modem standards jargon does not make it an acceptable usage. Whoever coined this term did not really know what the workd means. The point is that general use of this term is confusing. As for stack in the OED, I would use meaning 1.f from OED 2 In a computer or a calculator, a set of registers or storage locations which store data in such a way that the most recently stored item is the first to be retrieved; also, a list of items so stored, a push-down list. First citation: 1960 E. W. Dijkstra in Numericshe Math II.312 Don't be so quick to assume things about the OED! :-) For tree, the definition you want is 6b Any structure or figure, natural or artificial, of branched form. In the citations for 6b usage, we find: 1978 Nature 24 Aug 745/1. The amount of work involved in searching a tree of moves is B[superscript]D, where B (the branching factor) is the average number of alternatives throughout the tree, and D is the depth of search. Furthermore, in both the tree and stack case, you can find old traditional meanings which are a good match conceptually for the modern CS usages. This is NOT true of homologize! Anyway, to my mind, any jargon not in OED-2 is VERY suspect (OED-2 is more "with it" than you think, look up for examples, the perfect definitions of bug and kludge in the computery sense). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 13:02:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25633; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:02:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28199; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:50:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:49:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28173; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:49:57 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16900; Wed, 27 Sep 95 12:50:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 12:50:12 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509271650.AA16900@nile.gnat.com> To: josephw@inc.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ram increase "Using IC-DRAM cards limits you to, I believe 24 megs" True if you order from IBM, but 3rd party 32-meg cards are common, you can get them for under $1500, and this may end up being not that much more epxnsive than going the DIMM route for 32 meg total. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 13:24:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27496; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:24:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29222; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:03:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:03:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29211; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:03:36 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:03 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: dewar@nile.gnat.com Cc: josephw@inc.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Wed, 27 Sep 95 12:50:12 -0400 from dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Subject: ram increase Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 12:50:12 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) "Using IC-DRAM cards limits you to, I believe 24 megs" True if you order from IBM, but 3rd party 32-meg cards are common, you can get them for under $1500, and this may end up being not that much more epxnsive than going the DIMM route for 32 meg total. FYI: I was quoted $1124 for a Kingston 32MB card earlier this week. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 13:32:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28383; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:32:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00564; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:20:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:20:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00529; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:20:45 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA17203; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:21:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:21:06 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509271721.AA17203@nile.gnat.com> To: Michael_Verne/VENTANA.ITP@lgate.vmedia.com Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU centuries of experience with mega meaning 2**20 ????? excuse me, I think not, try 20 years (you can't even go back as far as the first computers, since it took a while for computers to get up into the mega region for anything!) on the other hand mega = 10**6 dates from Napoleon! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 13:32:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28388; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:32:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00636; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:21:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:21:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00621; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:21:27 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA17214; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:21:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:21:40 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509271721.AA17214@nile.gnat.com> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: ram increase Cc: josephw@inc.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU can you give the souce for the $1124 for th Kingston 32 meg card, was this new? it seems definitely below market prices. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 13:34:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28570; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:34:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00979; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:25:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:25:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00958; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:25:08 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27606; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:24:30 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0048; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:23:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:23:45 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9509271723.AA0048@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com Cc: josephw@inc.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:21:40 -0400 from dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Subject: ram increase Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:21:40 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) can you give the souce for the $1124 for th Kingston 32 meg card, was this new? it seems definitely below market prices. This is a new part from Impediment Inc.; call 617-834-3800 or see their web page at http://www.impediment.com/. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 13:55:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00148; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:55:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02516; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:43:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:43:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02480; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:42:44 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA8334; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:35:57 -0700 Message-Id: <9509272035.AA8334@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 55E84B745CDFC2B78525624400606CD0; Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:35:55 To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 27 Sep 95 13:39:21 EDT Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....excuse me, I think not, try 20 years (you can't even go back as far as the first computers, since it took a while for computers to get up into the mega region for anything!)...." ~~~~~~~~~~ i figured you meant decades, but i don't care to correct diction in matters of substance, so i decided to leave it alone. i see now that you meant 10**6 has centuries of precedent. well, yes, but not in matters of drive capacity, and 1024 has decades of precedent and is the only standard that has ever existed for measuring drive capacity. after clearing up the century/decade miscommunication, i still stand behind everything in my last post. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 14:04:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00321; Wed, 27 Sep 95 14:04:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03344; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:53:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:53:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03327; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:53:51 -0400 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA19297; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:50:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:50:18 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509271750.KAA19297@netcom2.netcom.com> To: Michael_Verne/VENTANA.ITP@lgate.vmedia.com, dewar@nile.gnat.com Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU centuries of experience with mega meaning 2**20 ????? excuse me, I think not, try 20 years (you can't even go back as far as the first computers, since it took a while for computers to get up into the mega region for anything!) on the other hand mega = 10**6 dates from Napoleon! Ok, fine. Next time you buy a 16 meg ram card and only 16,000,000 of the addresses work instead of 16,777,216, don't complain. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 14:32:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07131; Wed, 27 Sep 95 14:32:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05476; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:22:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:22:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05465; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:22:13 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29626; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:56:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Web page Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My incompetent net provider apparently can't figure out that they shouldn't use obvious words as the root password, and me entire home directory here went byebye. This includes the TP750 page, so any of you looking for data are in for a rude shock. I think this may be a sign from Grod that it's time to Get Serious about a better page. Look for a letter looking for information, graphics and suggestions in the next day or two. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 15:21:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15800; Wed, 27 Sep 95 15:21:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08989; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:07:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:07:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08975; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:07:07 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.32] (mac32.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA16864; Wed, 27 Sep 95 15:07:03 EDT Message-Id: <9509271907.AA16864@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:21:07 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD This mega-shootout has to be a new high-water mark for silly arguments in this group!:) ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 15:35:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17129; Wed, 27 Sep 95 15:35:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11348; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:24:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:24:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11322; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:24:41 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id UAA16093 (8.6.12/); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:23:32 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:23:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199509271923.UAA16093@asimov.cnam.fr> To: dhite@mitre.org, phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 sometimes one does have problems with modems that do not use the right "guard" tones - usually us models have the advantage of better testing from the signal side, but less robust line interfaces ... just my 2c Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 15:38:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17659; Wed, 27 Sep 95 15:38:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11777; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:27:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:27:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11764; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:27:39 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id UAA16158 (8.6.12/); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:25:48 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:25:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199509271925.UAA16158@asimov.cnam.fr> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, dhite@mitre.org, phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 homologate is probably a piece of ITU jargon carried over to IBM use. ie. a proposal eg. V34 is homologated and turns into a norm ? Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 15:40:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17688; Wed, 27 Sep 95 15:40:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12020; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:30:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:30:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11978; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:30:06 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA18006; Wed, 27 Sep 95 15:28:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 15:28:30 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509271928.AA18006@nile.gnat.com> To: dhite@mitre.org, eronald@cnam.fr, phr@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 "ie a proposal eg. V34 is homologated and turns into a norm? this is in fact a legitimate usage Note: I would guess the homologate thread competes pretty well for high-water mark silliness with the mega-shootout :-) :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 17:00:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17883; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:00:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20857; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:44:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:44:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from maple.enet.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20802; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:44:22 -0400 Received: from .qrz.com (slip1.qrz.com [199.245.125.40]) by maple.enet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA23137; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:44:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:42:48 PDT From: steve gross Subject: unsubscribe To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubcribe to mailing list Stephen C. Gross Pilot B737 America West Airlines From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 17:09:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19893; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:09:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22169; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:55:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:55:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nynexst.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22117; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:55:15 -0400 Received: from insight.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA00577; Wed, 27 Sep 95 16:54:39 EDT Received: from localhost by insight.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19929; Wed, 27 Sep 95 16:56:50 EDT Message-Id: <9509272056.AA19929@insight.nynexst.com> To: manning@cs.vassar.edu (Joseph Manning) Cc: art@aars.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:22:25 EDT." <9509261922.AA00574@cssun3> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:56:49 -0400 From: Gen Cerf I think there might be some (alot of!) confusion here with respect to the disk size discussion... 1) One million bytes is ALWAYS equal to 1 Megabyte... let's not rewrite the math books to fit the problem! 2) If the drive were actually 810 Megabytes large instead of 810 Megabits then that would be equal to 8 * 810 * 10**6 = 6480 * 10**6 = 6480 Megabits (which btw = 6.48 Gigabits) If it's 810 Megabits, then that's equal to (810/8) * 10**6 = 101.25 Megabytes. Either way, it doesn't add up to 770 or 772... Just to clarify further, disc sizes are usually give in Megabytes. The abbreviations are supposed to be: MB = Megabytes and Mb = Megabits but these are often confused. 3) Although physical memory and disk sizes are actually configured in binary increments, i.e. 2**10 = 1024, they are commonly rounded off to the nearest decimal multiple of K or M bits or bytes. But this is only a ROUNDOFF issue, and generally the roundoff is in the downward direction, i.e. 10 Megs is really 1,024,000 16 K is really 16,384 etc.. 4) So where did all that disk space (810 - 770) actually go? The key phrase here was: "After formatting the drive..." Yep, that's the byte eater... the formatting process automatically reserves alot of space for administering the file system, for spare tracks, etc. typicallly 10% or more of your brand new disk! Bummer... Gen PS: I never introduced myself but I have a Thinkpad 755 something which I know very little about, which is why I don't generally contribute to these discussions... but I get alot out of them in terms of Thinkpad info, so thanks, all! ----------------------------------------------------- Genevieve Cerf, Ph.D. E.E. Speech Recognition & Language Understanding Services NYNEX Science & Technology 500 Westchester Avenue White Plains, NY 10604 (914) 644-2407 FAX: (914) 644-2211 gen@nynexst.com > >>> From: "Arturo J. Morales" > >>> Subject: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD > >>> > >>> I recently acquired an 810mb HD (IBM Brand) and proceeded to reformat and > >>> partition it so that I could have a DOS/Windows/OS2 (FAT) partition and a Linux > >>> partition. After formating the Drive, (using MS-DOS 6.22) I only saw 770 > >>> megs... > > Arturo, > > IBM's so-called "810mb" disk is, in fact, an 810-million-byte disk. > And 810,000,000 bytes = 772 mega-bytes. So maybe your re-partitioning > worked correctly after all, and there's no "lost" space on your disk. > > It really stinks, the way some small-minded smart-ass marketing types > at IBM and some other companies have decided to deceptively re-interpret > "mb" to mean "million-byte" rather than "mega-byte", and introduce all > this unnecessary confusion. > > Joseph > > Joseph Manning / Computer Science / Vassar College / manning@cs.vassar.edu > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 17:18:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22152; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:18:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23928; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:09:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:09:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23908; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:09:03 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA9651; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:02:34 -0700 Message-Id: <9509280002.AA9651@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 691CE8C56DCCE63F852562440073971F; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:02:34 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 27 Sep 95 17:05:39 EDT Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....Note: I would guess the homologate thread competes pretty well for high-water mark silliness with the mega-shootout :-) :-)...." ~~~~~~~~~~ I'm just waiting for someone to ask Don W. who "Grod" is, so I can watch it really get silly! :-) Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 17:41:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24275; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:41:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26512; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:33:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:33:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26502; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:33:09 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA22077; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:33:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:33:23 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509272133.AA22077@nile.gnat.com> To: gen@nynexst.com, manning@cs.vassar.edu Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Cc: art@aars.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Boy that sure was a confusing post from manning. The discussion of gigabits is of course a total red herring. So is the discussion of pre/post formatting. The issue is simple, is a megabyte 10**6 or 2**20. 810 * 10**6 = 772 * 2**20 so depending on your definition of megabyte, the same disk can be described as either 810 megs (the IBM description), or 772 megs (using the dfefinition of megabyte that is always used when talking about computer main memory, i.e. 2**20). On thing I will say in IBM's case is that every IBM ad I ever saw has a footnote explaining the usage. In most ads for disks, you simply cannot tell which definition of megabyte is being used. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 17:48:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24666; Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:48:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27132; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:39:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:39:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27120; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:39:38 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA28743; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:44:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: tp750 Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 In-Reply-To: <9509280002.AA9651@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 27 Sep 1995, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: > I'm just waiting for someone to ask Don W. who "Grod" is, so I can watch it > really get silly! :-) Bwahahah! I consider that a question by default! Grod is _Gorilla Grod_, an old enemy of The Flash in the DC comic books. Grod had been inflated to super-intelligence and was always plotting to rule the world! Yet the Flash keep kicking his butt, go figure... But in a very funny comic book once, a cohort gorilla of Grod's broke out of a cage, put on a fedora and dark sunglasses and ran off yelling "I'm on a mission from Grod!" (a-la The Blues Brothers) and the image has stuck with me since.... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 18:26:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29225; Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:26:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01383; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:16:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:16:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01358; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:16:46 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id PAA15032; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:16:08 -0700 Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA18697; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:16:02 -0700 Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02536; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:16:00 -0700 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22217; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:16:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:16:56 -0700 From: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9509272216.AA22217@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: manning@cs.vassar.edu, gen@nynexst.com Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Cc: art@aars.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII You know its one thing to read about how history of things gets twisted to sort of explain how things are or could be. Its another to experience it in real time :-) >I think there might be some (alot of!) confusion here with respect to the >disk size discussion... No kidding! >1) One million bytes is ALWAYS equal to 1 Megabyte... let's not > rewrite the math books to fit the problem! Uh-oh we've started out with something of a faux pas now. The crux of this silly discussion was the prefix 'Mega' which has, for several centuries meant units of 1,000,000. However, there are those pesky engineers who built a memory chip (the 2112 if memory serves) that could address 2^10 bits. Now 2^10 happens to be 1024 distinct bits, and those pesky engineers got _really_ tired of calling these thing 1024 bit memories (although they did for a long time.) and then some unspoken agreement was made to shorten multiples of 1024 to be "K" since that was easier to type and we all knew what we were talking about anyway. Of course, the engineers didn't make a global change, no they didn't start calling 1024 ohm resistors "1K resistors" or make 1/1024th of a volt a millivolt. No, they realized that they could use the term 'K' in context and keep it straight. This got to be a habit, and a bad one at that. Next came memories that could address 2^20 bits. Now technically this was 1024 * 1024 and really that was 1,048,576 bits but since we're calling 1024 a Kilobit, 1024 Kilobits could reasonably be called 1 Megabit right? Sure, as long as its just between us propellor heads and we never get them confused with the "real" definition of Mega which is 1,000,000. Now we start adding magnetic media, which have a storage capactity that is not dictated by the binary number system, but by the physical space on the magnetic media and the ability of the electronics to distinguish bits. So technically we (being the engineers) could drop this silly convention of 1K = 1024, 1M = 1024 * 1K, and 1G = 1024 * 1M. After all, the disk isn't memory, is it? Ah but there is the rub, in a way it is memory with a very slow access time. Also if you are already talking about memory using these altered units then if you discuss the disk in the same units you don't have to figure out if your program that takes 4K of core memory will fit in 4K bytes on the disk. And so the habit was continued and it really was just a convention, a bogus one, but convienient. But the engineers ran up against a problem, and that was "Marketing". And worse we exceeded that magic size of "twenty" megabytes. You see engineers had no reason to change what was going on because after all we all _knew_ that 20M was 20 * 1024 * 1024 or 20,971,520 bytes and of course if your truncate to the nearest million 20M is 20M right? but a 21 megabyte drive (anyone remember the Seagate 225?) was 22,020,096 bytes. Hmm, so those pesky marketeers over in Microscience or whereever it was they were trying to unseat the Shugart/Segate monopoly on hard disks, got the bright idea that they could advertise these things as 22M drives (* M = 1,000,000). Now would you rather have a 21M or a 22M drive? Obviously the 22M one is bigger right? wrong. They are exactly the same size, and this strategy fell flat on its face and these marketeers got roasted soundly by the engineering community. Anyway, the idea comes and goes (much to the annoyance of folks who don't care which way it goes as long as everyone uses the same notation.) and didn't really take hold until people like my Mom started walking into computer stores to buy a computer. She _doesn't_ know that the 22M drive is the same size as the 21M drive and so she goes for the "bigger" drive at the same price. Bam! Hooked one. Now the practice has become common place. >2) If the drive were actually 810 Megabytes large instead of 810 Megabits > then that would be equal to 8 * 810 * 10**6 = 6480 * 10**6 = 6480 Megabits > (which btw = 6.48 Gigabits) If it's 810 Megabits, then that's equal to > (810/8) * 10**6 = 101.25 Megabytes. Either way, it doesn't add up to 770 > or 772... The drive is in fact has the ability to store 810,549,248 bytes of data. That can be computed by multiplying their cylinders * tracks * sectors * bytesPerSector. The engineers divide that by 1024 * 1024 and get 773 Megabytes. The marketeers divide it by 1,000,000 and get 810 Megabytes. Either way its a lot but using the marketing way you get 37 million bytes for "free". > Just to clarify further, disc sizes are usually give in Megabytes. > The abbreviations are supposed to be: MB = Megabytes and Mb = Megabits > but these are often confused. Actually to be perfectly clear, the unit Megabits is typically used in semiconductor memories (makes them sound larger) and communication channels. Disks are always rated in bytes (kilo or mega). Typically disks with kilo byte ratings are using the notion that 1 kilo = 1024 bytes. As an interesting aside, the "1.44M" floppy disk gets its unit by its ability to hold 80 tracks of 18 sectors, each containing 1024 bytes. Multiplied out that is 1,474,560 bytes (or 1.475 Mb in marketing speak) but divided by 1024 you get 1440 Kbytes or 1.44 Mbytes. In this case the M stands for 1000 * 1024 bytes! Pretty wild yes? >3) Although physical memory and disk sizes are actually configured in binary > increments, i.e. 2**10 = 1024, they are commonly rounded off to the nearest > decimal multiple of K or M bits or bytes. But this is only a ROUNDOFF > issue, and generally the roundoff is in the downward direction, i.e. > 10 Megs is really 1,024,000, 16 K is really 16,384 etc.. Not exactly. Four megabytes of memory is addressable with 22 binary bits. Unlike disks if you swap the units around on memory you don't sell any. 22 bits = 4,194,304 bytes. >4) So where did all that disk space (810 - 770) actually go? The key phrase >here was: >"After formatting the drive..." >Yep, that's the byte eater... the formatting process automatically reserves >alot of space for administering the file system, for spare tracks, etc. >typicallly 10% or more of your brand new disk! Bummer... And this one really stunned me. The drive capacity is 810,549,248 bytes FORMATTED. This is mythos is left over from another marketing trick which was to give the raw capacity of the drive. This was calculated using the number of tracks per inch the stepper could resolve and the linear bit density the read/write heads could distinguish. But the bits on the disk included synch bits, gaps between sectors to allow the electronics to recover, etc. And it was during that period where raw capacity was the number quoted and formatted capacity was in the footnote. For what its worth the raw capacity of those "1.44M" 3.5" disks is 2 megabytes but you can't get two megabytes without changing their format. These days in the world of SCSI and IDE hard disks the computer has no idea how to format the drive, it just knows how many "blocks" it can store on the drive and how big a block is. Thus for all intents and purposes the unformatted capacity is irrelevant and no longer used in the literature. --Chuck McManis From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 18:49:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00254; Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:49:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03361; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:42:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:42:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03351; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:42:18 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA24892; Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:42:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:42:25 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509272242.AA24892@nile.gnat.com> To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.eng.sun.com, gen@nynexst.com, manning@cs.vassar.edu Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Cc: art@aars.mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Chuck notes: "Actually to be perfectly clear, the unit Megabits is typically used in semiconductor memories (makes them sound larger) and communication channels. Disks are always rated in bytes (kilo or mega). Typically disks with kilo byte ratings are using the notion that 1 kilo = 1024 bytes." The other place that Mebabits is commonly used is in the videogame business, where capacity is always thus stated. Marketing at work again, a 16 meg game sounds much more impressive than a 2 meg game. Now I suppose when we get to 32 meg games, some bright marketing guy at the video game company will figure out that he can advertise a 33 meg game instead. Well look at the bright side, at least he folks from Kingston are not trying to sell us 33 meg DRAM cards :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 18:53:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00297; Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:53:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03645; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:48:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:48:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nynexst.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03635; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:48:16 -0400 Received: from insight.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA06417; Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:47:44 EDT Received: from localhost by insight.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21831; Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:49:55 EDT Message-Id: <9509272249.AA21831@insight.nynexst.com> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:33:23 EDT." <9509272133.AA22077@nile.gnat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:49:54 -0400 From: Gen Cerf I agree that your latest math looks convincing... > 810 * 10**6 = 772 * 2**20 > which means that IBM is being honest, but the program reporting on the 772 (cmos?) is counting in units of 2**20! ...but I'm still curious about the formatting issue... I have just checked a huge UNIX file server which we have here, which has disks of every size from 200 Meg to 2 Gigabytes. All of them show ~ 10% less space available for use than their nominal size. DOS may not use quite as much as Unix but still... ! According to Michael Verne's email, if chkdsk shows you 540 MB, and fdisk shows you 527 MB, the difference (13 MB) must be what's used for formatting. Meanwhile, cmos is counting in units of 2**20, because, as in your calculation for the 810 MB drive, 540 * 10**6 = 514 * 2**20 I promise this is my last post on this, but I'd like to know if you agree! Gen ----------------------------------------------------- Genevieve Cerf, Ph.D. E.E. Speech Recognition & Language Understanding Services NYNEX Science & Technology 500 Westchester Avenue White Plains, NY 10604 (914) 644-2407 FAX: (914) 644-2211 gen@nynexst.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 18:55:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00330; Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:55:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03687; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:49:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:49:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03675; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:49:13 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA24928; Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:49:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 18:49:34 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509272249.AA24928@nile.gnat.com> To: gen@nynexst.com Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU no one quotes unformatted sizes for hard disks any more. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 19:16:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09016; Wed, 27 Sep 95 19:16:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04631; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:09:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:09:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04617; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:09:06 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id QAA26926; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:08:31 -0700 Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA28673; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:08:26 -0700 Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02827; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:08:24 -0700 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22348; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:09:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:09:21 -0700 From: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9509272309.AA22348@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: gen@nynexst.com Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII >...but I'm still curious about the formatting issue... > >I have just checked a huge UNIX file server which we have >here, which has disks of every size from 200 Meg to 2 Gigabytes. >All of them show ~ 10% less space available for use than >their nominal size. DOS may not use quite as much as Unix >but still... ! My last post too, the answer to your question is that there is disk formatting, and their is file system formatting and they are different beasts. Disk Formatting is the process whereby raw bits are written to the disk to identify where the sectors are and where the bad bits are. In DOS land this is called a "low level" format. File System Formatting is the process whereby the available bytes of storage are preallocated to "meta data" such as directories, file pointers, etc, and just "data" which is contained in the files. Inefficient file systems are the bane of DOS and its worst feature. Basically on every DOS version up to the Windows '95 release the file system wanted to break the file system up into chunks that it could manage with a simple algorithm. Because of this, if you have a 540MB disk, and you partition it as one big disk under DOS, the minimum file size is 16KB because that is the smallest allocation block that you can use and have the whole disk representable as a signed 16 bit offset. File system efficiency is the ratio of actual data bytes stored over the used disk allocation space. On DOS that can be 60%. On UNIX with FFS that can be 72 - 88%, on AmigaDOS it could reach a pretty impressive 95%. --Chuck P.S. Also UNIX "saves" that last 10% for emergencies. If you're root you can fill your disks up to being 110% full. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 19:36:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10223; Wed, 27 Sep 95 19:36:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05602; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:28:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:28:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from maple.grove.iup.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05592; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:28:02 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2467) id <01HVS5H1QDB48Y50BQ@grove.iup.edu>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark_Strawcutter Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:52:55 -0400" <9509271251.AA12724@cyclone.mitre.org> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HVS5WRCIJM8Y50BQ@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania X-Envelope-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Mike Anderson, ThinkPad Forum Sysop >IBM PC Co Mobile Products Tech Support >7:33 PM, Tuesday, September 26, 1995 I wonder when IBM PC Co Mobile Products Tech Support will have an active presence on the Internet? ---------- Mark J Strawcutter Internet: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu Director, Systems and Communications BITNET: MJSTRAW@IUP Indiana University of Pennsylvania Voice: (412) 357-4007 Indiana, PA 15705 "you can't nail jello to a tree" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 22:20:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22850; Wed, 27 Sep 95 22:20:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19137; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:10:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:10:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sentinel.synapse.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19078; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:10:12 -0400 Received: from tubular-06.synapse.net (tubular-06.synapse.net [199.84.52.200]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id WAA11181 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199509280209.WAA11181@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Sender: phong@pop.synapse.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: phong@phsmc.synapse.net (Patrick Hong) Subject: MWave 2.0 (connection problems) First off, I wish to say that I can't believe people going on about a word for so many threads. Do we all have better things to do than to critique each other to death? Personnaly, I don't appreciate downloading all the email and finding it quite useless. My problem as my subject title indicates, deals with IBM's new MWave 2.0 software. I upgraded primarily to connect to my Internet provider at 28.8kbps but I get a truly bizarre noise when it is negotiating. This message is proof that I can connect at 28.8kbps but the bad news is that it is the 2nd time in probably 200 tries. The noise definitely does not sound like any modem negotiation process that I've ever heard before. In fact it almost sounds like a harpsicord or electronic keyboard. In fact, there is a pattern that is something like this. 1. typical modem negotiation, then 2. 2 or 3 of those harpsicord notes. Has anyone else experienced this? I would like the connection process to be more reliable since Netscape now flies! :) Any advice would be sincerely appreciated. Thanks in advance... patrick ______________________________________________________________________ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@phsmc.synapse.net (613) 769-1544 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 22:43:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24289; Wed, 27 Sep 95 22:43:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21259; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:33:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:33:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21248; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:33:21 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA26299; Wed, 27 Sep 95 22:33:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 22:33:37 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509280233.AA26299@nile.gnat.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, phong@phsmc.synapse.net Subject: Re: MWave 2.0 (connection problems) that (harpischord type sound) sounds like perfectly normal 28.8 negotiation, but such negotations often fail on bad lines! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 23:29:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27073; Wed, 27 Sep 95 23:29:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26007; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:18:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:18:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25997; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:18:55 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0sy9Up-00010BC; Wed, 27 Sep 95 20:18 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: MWave 2.0 (connection problems) To: phong@phsmc.synapse.net (Patrick Hong) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199509280209.WAA11181@sentinel.synapse.net> from "Patrick Hong" at Sep 27, 95 10:09:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > The noise definitely does not sound like any modem negotiation process that > I've ever heard before. In fact it almost sounds like a harpsicord or That's pretty normal for V.34 connections... As a matter of fact the Mwave connection sound at V.34 is a lot tamer than my US-Robotics V.34 modem. 28.8Kbps connection requires VERY good telephone line quality... House wiring and your distance from the Central Office could have a lot to with it to. I have been able to get many 26.4K connects with the new software... I'm happy! Here's what the README file in the MWAVE program group suggests: If you experience difficulties connecting at a modem speed of 28.8 kbps to a particular number, or if you have trouble connecting to a particular modem rotary, try the following. - If the connection is not made and the speaker is OFF: 1. Disable V.42 bis and MNP 5 using AT"H%C 2. Disable V.42 (AT\N3) or MNP 1-4 (AT\N5). You could also disable both with AT\N. - If the connection is not made and the speaker remains on: 1. Reduce the maximum modem throughput using the AT commands ATs28=18 (for 26400 bps), ATS28=17 (24000bps), ATS28=16 (21600 bps), or ATS28=15 (19200 bps). 2. If you've tried step 1 and it still does not connect, use AT*TH8 to control the speed. Once you connect using the AT*TH8 command, remember to reset your modem using either AT&F (for factory defaults) or AT*TH4. If you forget to reset, your next calls will transmit at lower V.34 connection rates. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Sep 27 23:38:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27396; Wed, 27 Sep 95 23:38:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27260; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:30:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:30:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27249; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:30:53 -0400 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA16321; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:18:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:18:03 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199509280318.UAA16321@netcom20.netcom.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, phong@phsmc.synapse.net Subject: Re: MWave 2.0 (connection problems) The weird sound you hear is normal v.34 negotiation. Yes, it does sound bizarre the first time you hear it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 04:18:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23498; Thu, 28 Sep 95 04:18:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16744; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 03:59:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 03:59:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16734; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 03:59:29 -0400 Received: from cyclone.mitre.org (cyclone.mitre.org [128.29.86.13]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id DAA09166 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 03:59:26 -0400 Received: from by cyclone.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB21088; Thu, 28 Sep 95 03:59:24 EDT Message-Id: <9509280759.AB21088@cyclone.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@cyclone X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:01:13 -0400 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: David Hite Subject: Mwave info from Compuserve Here's the latest from the compuserve thinkpad forum sysop: ==================================================================== Right now the only countrys that MWave 2.0 is homologated in are the US, Canada and Japan... so outside of those countrys it is currently illegal to connect the MWave modem to the local phone system. I suspect (note SUSPECT) that the same X3 will apply with a US based modem in other countrys as it did in MWave 1.10, but for non-US setups (external DAA) then there will be new modem personalization code released as soon as the MWave 2.0 modem is homologated in that country (hopefully we'll be able to make the code downloadable here). In the meantime, I modified the MWAVE200.DOC file to indicate the problem and I also posted a news flash that everyone entering the forum after last night should have seen - I hope this stops others from killing their modems too... I have also re-uploaded the MWave 1.10 code so those that did kill their modem/telephony can get it back... Sure would have been easier if I'd known about this glitch up front... Mike Anderson, ThinkPad Forum Sysop IBM PC Co Mobile Products Tech Support 7:37 PM, Wednesday, September 27, 1995 ===================================================================== What he means by "the same X3" is that if you put "X3" into your dialing string, then the modem does not wait for dial tone before starting to dial the number. Apparently this is the main problem with using US versions of the modem in other countries -- the modem never detects dial tone, so it never dials the number. I had the problem the first time I tried to use my mwave 1.10 modem in Brussels, and X3 fixed it for me. From what I read in the forum (literally hundreds of messages, most of them angry), people who do not have the US version of the ThinkPad may have to wait for the "homologation" to happen, but others report that they can get their's to work OK. I guess it depends on the country and the particular ThinkPad you happen to have. David P.S. If you reply to this message, I'd be grateful if you'd reply only to the list, not to me directly. I don't really need 2 copies of each message :) Thanks... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 08:30:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27209; Thu, 28 Sep 95 08:30:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10879; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:17:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:17:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.ge.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10859; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:17:16 -0400 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA20048 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:17:02 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com (stes02.sch.ge.com [3.72.108.134]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA11174 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:11:18 -0400 Received: from SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM (smtpgw.sch.ge.com [3.10.206.1]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA10841 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:17:00 -0400 Received: by SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM with Microsoft Mail id <306A92B5@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM>; Thu, 28 Sep 95 08:19:01 edt From: "Pallante, Joseph" To: tp750 Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 07:56:00 edt Message-Id: <306A92B5@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 ---------- From: Mark_Strawcutter To: tp750 Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 Date: Wednesday, September 27, 1995 7:26PM >>Mike Anderson, ThinkPad Forum Sysop >>IBM PC Co Mobile Products Tech Support >>7:33 PM, Tuesday, September 26, 1995 >I wonder when IBM PC Co Mobile Products Tech Support will have an active >presence on the Internet? I would consider us lucky if IBM is gracious enough to make the MWave 2.0 files available somehwere besides Compuserve! Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 08:52:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27764; Thu, 28 Sep 95 08:52:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12939; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:42:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:42:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12921; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:42:33 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA11728; Thu, 28 Sep 95 08:42:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 08:42:43 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509281242.AA11728@nile.gnat.com> To: pallanjo@ctls.sch.ge.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 "I would consider us lucky if IBM is gracious enough to make the MWave 2.0 files available somehwere besides Compuserve!" aren't they available on the bulletin board, that's where I always get stuff from ... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 09:28:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00172; Thu, 28 Sep 95 09:28:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17195; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:20:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:20:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17179; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:20:46 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA5040; Thu, 28 Sep 95 09:14:16 -0700 Message-Id: <9509281614.AA5040@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 4F3C74094DE7C5E58525624500484982; Thu, 28 Sep 95 09:14:16 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 28 Sep 95 9:17:59 EDT Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "......but I'm still curious about the formatting issue... According to Michael Verne's email, if chkdsk shows you 540 MB, and fdisk shows you 527 MB, the difference (13 MB) must be what's used for formatting. Meanwhile, cmos is counting in units of 2**20, because, as in your calculation for the 810 MB drive, 540 * 10**6 = 514 * 2**20...." ~~~~~ not to kick a dead horse, but formatting has nothing to do with it. the cmos shows you a figure equal to disk capacity in million bytes divided by 1024^2. fdisk shows you a figure equal to thousand bytes divided by 1024 and chkdsk just shows you bytes. and just for the record, your cmos is not reporting anything from the disk itself. it's just doing math on the numbers that you (or the autodetect feature) plug into the cyl/hd/spt fields. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 09:29:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00181; Thu, 28 Sep 95 09:29:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17341; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:24:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:23:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17331; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:23:57 -0400 Received: by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09503; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:23:47 -0400 Received: by n2ell (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0syIsA-0003AOC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 09:19 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 09:19 EDT From: pcolsen@n2ell.columbia.md.us (Peter C. Olsen P.E.) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Installing Linux on a TP-750Cs --- BIOS32 Extensions? Reply-To: pcolsen@acm.org I need help installing Linux on a TP750Cs. I've been lent a TP750Cs on which I want to run Linux to support my PhD research. I've been trying to install Slakware 2.3 with kernel 1.2.8, but when I try to boot, I get a message saying "No BIOS32 Extensions found. This release still depend on them. Sorry." and thing just fizzle out soon afterward. Can someone tell me what this means and if there is a way to get around it? Thanks! Peter -- Peter Olsen, P.E., pcolsen@acm.org P.O. Box 410, Simpsonville, MD 21150-0410 USA, 410-997-8584 "Engineering is the art of applying a professional knowledge of mathematics and the physical sciences to improve the quality of life." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 11:26:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17671; Thu, 28 Sep 95 11:26:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28568; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:14:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:14:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28556; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:14:33 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0syKg5-0004tlC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 10:15 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0syKg4-0002ncC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 10:15 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0syKg2-0002wvC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 10:15 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: This list To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:15:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Due to a problem with PSI, our Internet provider, we were off the net for about 8 hours yesterday. The scripts that manage this mailing list choose to drop me due to bounces. What about making the timeout a little longer? -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 11:37:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19170; Thu, 28 Sep 95 11:37:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00638; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:31:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:31:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00545; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:31:00 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 11:29 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: pcolsen@acm.org Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Thu, 28 Sep 95 09:19 EDT from pcolsen@n2ell.columbia.md.us (Peter C. Olsen P.E.) Subject: Installing Linux on a TP-750Cs --- BIOS32 Extensions? Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 09:19 EDT From: pcolsen@n2ell.columbia.md.us (Peter C. Olsen P.E.) I've been lent a TP750Cs on which I want to run Linux to support my PhD research. I've been trying to install Slakware 2.3 with kernel 1.2.8, but when I try to boot, I get a message saying "No BIOS32 Extensions found. This release still depend on them. Sorry." and thing just fizzle out soon afterward. Can someone tell me what this means and if there is a way to get around it? I don't think this is important -- I booted from a Slackware 2.2 disk recently, and it came up fine despite showing this error message. Did you use the "floppy=thinkpad" boot parameter? This is essential. Also, could you be more specific about what you mean by "fizzle out"? It's possible, depending on the size of your disk, that you may need to use the "hd=..." boot parameter, but this problem wouldn't show up until after the boot process was finished. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 11:44:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19627; Thu, 28 Sep 95 11:44:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00961; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:35:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:35:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00943; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:35:14 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA6162; Thu, 28 Sep 95 11:28:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9509281828.AA6162@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 709F1D9A2700B7B885256245005486F5; Thu, 28 Sep 95 11:28:43 To: tp750 From: Gary Moore/VENTANA Date: 28 Sep 95 11:25:52 EDT Subject: losing sound on my thinkpad Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain I have a TP 755CD. Recently I've begun having trouble with the sound. Everything works fine for the first 3-4 minutes...then the speakers simply stop working. All goes quiet. External speakers via the headphone jack continue to work. The only way to get the speakers to resume making sounds is to turn the machine off and back on....rebooting won't work. Any suggestions, similar problems??? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 12:24:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27806; Thu, 28 Sep 95 12:24:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05000; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:12:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:12:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04980; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:12:04 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA6527; Thu, 28 Sep 95 12:05:32 -0700 Message-Id: <9509281905.AA6527@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id FAFDA8E2F3AD9A05852562450058A65A; Thu, 28 Sep 95 12:05:32 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 28 Sep 95 12:08:45 EDT Subject: mwave 2.0 X-Lotus-Type: Memo w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain i'm not a big fan of compuserve, but i guess i don't have much choice right now. so, can someone tell me where, exactly, to go? <> i mean on compuserve. to get the mwave 2.0 software. thanks in advance. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 13:07:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09680; Thu, 28 Sep 95 13:07:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08011; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:48:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:48:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from happy.qualcomm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08000; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:48:20 -0400 Received: from gjacobs (gjacobs.qualcomm.com [129.46.122.39]) by happy.qualcomm.com (8.6.12/QC-BSD-2.5.1) with SMTP id JAA00728; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:47:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199509281647.JAA00728@happy.qualcomm.com> X-Sender: gjacobs@wizard X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:47:06 -0700 To: Chris Hanson , dewar@nile.gnat.com From: "Gary E. Jacobs" Subject: Re: ram increase Cc: josephw@inc.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU At 01:23 PM 9/27/95 -0400, Chris Hanson wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:21:40 -0400 > From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) > > can you give the souce for the $1124 for th Kingston 32 meg card, was this > new? it seems definitely below market prices. > >This is a new part from Impediment Inc.; call 617-834-3800 or see >their web page at http://www.impediment.com/. > I called today and they would not quote me this price. They said it was $100 less than Kingston sells it to them. Alex quoted $1345.00. Gary Jacobs gjacobs@qualcomm.com (619)658-4069 voice (619)658-2120 fax From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 13:14:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10348; Thu, 28 Sep 95 13:14:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08580; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:56:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:56:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08568; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:56:08 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 12:55 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: gjacobs@qualcomm.com Cc: dewar@nile.gnat.com, josephw@inc.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:47:06 -0700 from "Gary E. Jacobs" Subject: ram increase Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:47:06 -0700 From: "Gary E. Jacobs" At 01:23 PM 9/27/95 -0400, Chris Hanson wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 13:21:40 -0400 > From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) > > can you give the souce for the $1124 for th Kingston 32 meg card, was this > new? it seems definitely below market prices. > >This is a new part from Impediment Inc.; call 617-834-3800 or see >their web page at http://www.impediment.com/. > I called today and they would not quote me this price. They said it was $100 less than Kingston sells it to them. Alex quoted $1345.00. Gee... that's definitely the price that I heard (I've submitted a purchase requisition to order one). I don't know what's going on. I've sent email to Alex to see what's up. I'll forward the answer. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 13:40:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17666; Thu, 28 Sep 95 13:40:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10930; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:30:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:30:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from halon.sybase.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10910; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:30:30 -0400 Received: from sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA02072; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:29:18 -0700 Received: from shelty.sybase.com by sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA14801; Thu, 28 Sep 95 10:31:35 PDT Message-Id: <9509281731.AA14801@sybase.com> Received: from shelties.sybase.com ([157.133.211.4]) by shelty.sybase.com with SMTP; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:32:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Sender: jmelton@shelty X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:27:31 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Jim Melton Subject: ThinkPad 750 mail list? Gentlepeople, I was given this email address as a place where I could request to be put on a mailing list dealing with IBM ThinkPad 750 (and apparently 760) laptops. I would like to be added to that list, if possible, but would also like to know how to be removed from the list if I find that I cannot contribute anything useful and do not benefit sufficiently from it. Many thanks, Jim _____________________________________________________________________________ Jim Melton Phone: +1.801.942.0144 Sybase, Inc. Email: jim.melton@sybase.com 1930 Viscounti Drive X/Open email: j.melton@xopen.co.uk Sandy, UT 84093 Fax (by prior arrangement only): +1.801.942.3345 USA From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 13:40:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17672; Thu, 28 Sep 95 13:40:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11073; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:32:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:32:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11060; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:32:50 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0syMp0-00015VC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 10:32 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: mwave 2.0 To: Michael_Verne/VENTANA.ITP@lgate.vmedia.com (Michael Verne/VENTANA) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9509281905.AA6527@lgate.vmedia.com> from "Michael Verne/VENTANA" at Sep 28, 95 12:08:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > i'm not a big fan of compuserve, but i guess i don't have much choice right > now. so, can someone tell me where, exactly, to go? <> i mean on > compuserve. to get the mwave 2.0 software. The compuserve command is "GO THINKPAD". You'll find the MWave 2.0 stuff in library 2. While you're there, you might want to grab the new FaxWorks Voice v3.00g.058, and the new Follow Fax software they just posted in library 3. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 13:46:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18173; Thu, 28 Sep 95 13:46:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11436; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:38:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:38:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sentinel.synapse.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11403; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:38:08 -0400 Received: from violin-25.synapse.net (violin-25.synapse.net [199.84.52.213]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id NAA26993 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199509281738.NAA26993@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Sender: phong@pop.synapse.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: phong@phsmc.synapse.net (Patrick Hong) Subject: Re: mwave 2.0 >i'm not a big fan of compuserve, but i guess i don't have much choice right >now. so, can someone tell me where, exactly, to go? <> i mean on >compuserve. to get the mwave 2.0 software. > Michael, Go to CIS:IBM -> Thinkpad Area and you should easily find it in the library files. ... patrick ______________________________________________________________________ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@phsmc.synapse.net (613) 769-1544 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 14:08:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26049; Thu, 28 Sep 95 14:08:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12715; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:58:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:58:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12703; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:58:48 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0syMzC-00015VC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 10:43 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:43:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9509281242.AA11728@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Sep 28, 95 08:42:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > "I would consider us lucky if IBM is gracious enough to make the MWave 2.0 > files available somehwere besides Compuserve!" > > aren't they available on the bulletin board, that's where I always get > stuff from ... Unfortunately not this time... As of late last night, the files were not available on the BBS. This morning, they are still not available on the ftp site. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 14:56:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00601; Thu, 28 Sep 95 14:56:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17296; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:47:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:47:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17280; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:47:16 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA11594; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:45:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:45:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, Mehdi Attaran wrote: > > "I would consider us lucky if IBM is gracious enough to make the MWave 2.0 > > files available somehwere besides Compuserve!" > > Unfortunately not this time... As of late last night, the files were not > available on the BBS. This morning, they are still not available on the ftp > site. For what it's worth, the files show up at http://www.pc.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ftpfiles?action=list&dir=34 but anonymous ftp from there doesn't seem to work. The MWave 1.0 files have the same problem so perhaps the 2.0 files are really there and this is just a temporary glitch. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 15:03:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06329; Thu, 28 Sep 95 15:03:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18260; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:55:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:55:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18240; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:55:27 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.32] (mac32.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA21161; Thu, 28 Sep 95 14:55:21 EDT Message-Id: <9509281855.AA21161@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:09:26 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: mwave 2.0 and compuserve >> i'm not a big fan of compuserve, but i guess i don't have much choice right >> now. so, can someone tell me where, exactly, to go? <> i mean on >> compuserve. to get the mwave 2.0 software. > >The compuserve command is "GO THINKPAD". You'll find the MWave 2.0 stuff in >library 2. While you're there, you might want to grab the new FaxWorks Voice >v3.00g.058, and the new Follow Fax software they just posted in library 3. > Requiring IBM owners to join a particularly disgusting service provider in order to get the latest software fixes is kind of like requiring new car owners to join a condo time share on Long Island in order to get their car serviced. This is absurd. I was equally annoyed to hear that one has to join compuserve in order to get zip drive software. I'm glad I found this out *before* I purchased a zip drive. ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 15:14:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10077; Thu, 28 Sep 95 15:14:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19755; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:06:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:06:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19739; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:06:13 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06342; Thu, 28 Sep 95 15:05:16 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0087; Thu, 28 Sep 95 15:04:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 15:04:39 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9509281904.AA0087@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Cc: gjacobs@qualcomm.com, dewar@nile.gnat.com, josephw@inc.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Thu, 28 Sep 95 12:55 EDT from cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) Subject: ram increase Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 12:55 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:47:06 -0700 From: "Gary E. Jacobs" I called today and they would not quote me this price. They said it was $100 less than Kingston sells it to them. Alex quoted $1345.00. Gee... that's definitely the price that I heard (I've submitted a purchase requisition to order one). I don't know what's going on. I've sent email to Alex to see what's up. I'll forward the answer. Here it is, sorry for the confusion. What a pain; now I'll have to change the PO after the fact. From: Kathleen Leu To: CPH@martigny.ai.mit.edu Subject: IBM THINKPAD MEMORY Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:56:06 -0400 (EDT) CHRIS THE MEMORY THAT WAS QUOTED TO YOU WAS 32MB FOR THE THINKPAD 370 SERIES NOT THE 750 SERIES. YOUR PRICE ON THE 750 SRERIES 32MB IS $1,338.00 KATHY From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 17:22:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26036; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:22:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03355; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:53:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:52:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.ge.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03333; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:52:51 -0400 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA28122 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:52:42 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com (stes02.sch.ge.com [3.72.108.134]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA02392 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:46:34 -0400 Received: from SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM (smtpgw.sch.ge.com [3.10.206.1]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA27011 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:52:38 -0400 Received: by SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM with Microsoft Mail id <306B0B8E@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM>; Thu, 28 Sep 95 16:54:38 edt From: "Pallante, Joseph" To: tp750 Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 16:28:00 edt Message-Id: <306B0B8E@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I ended up finding them on ftp.pcco.ibm.com in pub/mobiles I'm not having tons of luck with v.34 though. I did get one 24000 connection, but I would drop characters occasionally and I would randomly get garbage characters while waiting at a unix prompt. Joe ---------- From: mehdi To: tp750 Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 Date: Thursday, September 28, 1995 10:43AM > "I would consider us lucky if IBM is gracious enough to make the MWave 2.0 > files available somehwere besides Compuserve!" > > aren't they available on the bulletin board, that's where I always get > stuff from ... Unfortunately not this time... As of late last night, the files were not available on the BBS. This morning, they are still not available on the ftp site. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 17:27:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28350; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:27:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05959; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:16:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:16:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05940; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:16:36 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA20049; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:15:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:15:40 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509282115.AA20049@nile.gnat.com> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu, gjacobs@qualcomm.com Subject: Re: ram increase Cc: josephw@inc.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU $1345 sounds much more believable, I thought that the $1124 was under market. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 17:59:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00373; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:59:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09254; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:47:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:47:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09242; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:47:22 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA20517; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:47:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:47:23 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509282147.AA20517@nile.gnat.com> To: pallanjo@ctls.sch.ge.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with Mwave 2.0 I find 28.8 impossible in many places, and do better with a 14.4 modem connection. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 21:17:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28281; Thu, 28 Sep 95 21:17:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25689; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:08:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:08:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from explorer.dgp.toronto.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25679; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:08:18 -0400 Received: by explorer.dgp.toronto.edu id <144001>; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:08:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) From: Eugene Fiume To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: MWAVE 2.0: to install or not to install Message-Id: <95Sep28.210808edt.144001@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:08:01 -0400 Have our European friends had any luck using MWAVE 2.0, or have you all switched back to 1.10? I'm wondering because I have a few trips scheduled to Europe in the next few months and have use for telephony. Failing this, is there an easy way to keep parallel MWAVE directories and just rename things accordingly? I actually haven't heard too many positive things yet about 2.0 in this list. Are there any happy campers out there using MWAVE 2.0? Regards, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 28 22:53:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06304; Thu, 28 Sep 95 22:53:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04669; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:47:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:47:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from satisfied.elf.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04652; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:47:04 -0400 Received: from lang.znet.com (lang.znet.com [204.157.172.142]) by satisfied.elf.com (8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA23428 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:46:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199509290246.WAA23428@satisfied.elf.com> From: lang@apocalypse.org (Lang Zerner) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: MWAVE 2.0: to install or not to install Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 04:48:27 GMT Reply-To: lang@apocalypse.org References: <95Sep28.210808edt.144001@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99b.112 On Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:08:01 -0400, Eugene Fiume wrote: >I actually haven't heard too many positive things yet about 2.0 in this >list. Are there any happy campers out there using MWAVE 2.0? I had trouble with it at full speed, but everything seems fine since I set my dialer to initialize with S28=19 (limits to 26400bps, still a significant speed boost). Be seeing you... --Lang From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 29 01:54:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15022; Fri, 29 Sep 95 01:54:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09785; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:44:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:44:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09770; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:44:21 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14042; Thu, 28 Sep 95 22:44:11 CDT Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 22:44:09 CDT Message-Id: <9509290344.AA14042@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Where to get MWave 2.0 MWave 2.0 updates are available from the IBM FTP site. You can FTP (ftp.pcco.ibm.com, go to pub/mobiles) directly or access it via the IBM PC home page (www.pc.ibm.com). They are also available on the IBM BBS (sorry, don't have the number off the top of my head). I have been running MW 2.0 for about three weeks in OS/2 Warp 3.0, DOS, and Windows w/o problem. Just wish I could get better phone lines to fully enjoy the 28.8 speed. Joe Wilson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 29 04:38:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23615; Fri, 29 Sep 95 04:38:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02104; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 04:25:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 04:25:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hpserv0.cs.uit.no by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02084; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 04:25:34 -0400 Received: from haralds.cs.uit.no by hpserv0.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/Task/HJ-5) id AA058333108; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:25:09 +0100 Received: by haralds.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/HJ/Task-5) id AA059773108; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:25:08 +0100 From: harald@staff.cs.uit.no (Harald Skotnes) Message-Id: <199509290825.AA059773108@haralds.cs.uit.no> Subject: Re: MWAVE 2.0: to install or not to install To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:25:07 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <95Sep28.210808edt.144001@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> from "Eugene Fiume" at Sep 28, 95 09:08:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23GIJ-4] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Have our European friends had any luck using MWAVE 2.0, or have you all > switched back to 1.10? I'm wondering because I have a few trips > scheduled to Europe in the next few months and have use for telephony. > Failing this, is there an easy way to keep parallel MWAVE directories > and just rename things accordingly? > > I actually haven't heard too many positive things yet about 2.0 in this > list. Are there any happy campers out there using MWAVE 2.0? > > Regards, > Eugene Fiume. > The internal phone system at my work is sometimes a little difficult to deal with, so I have not got it to work here. But when I tried it at home I gave the modem ATX3 (or ATX1 for ignore dialtone and busy) for ignore dialtone. and it worked. I even got connect 28.8! So to you who want to try mwave2.00 in Europe, I can only say that it might work (in Norway). -- //// Harald Skotnes // Email: harald@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Dept. of Computer Science // Phone: +47 77 64 41 16 // // University of Tromsoe // Fax: +47 77 64 40 54 /// / N-9037 TROMSOE NORWAY // Like it or not, it's One World //// From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 29 07:08:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00276; Fri, 29 Sep 95 07:08:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19589; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:57:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:57:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from globalvision.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19579; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:57:22 -0400 Received: by globalvision.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29072; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:47:14 +0500 Message-Id: <9509291047.AA29072@ globalvision.net> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Jane Loyless Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:56:59 EST Reply-To: jloyless@globalvision.net Subject: Re: Where to get MWave 2.0 ** Reply to note from josephw@inc.net 09/28/95 10:44pm CDT > They are also available on the IBM BBS (sorry, > don't have the number off the top of my head). > 919-517-0001 Jane From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 29 08:09:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07463; Fri, 29 Sep 95 08:09:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23266; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:01:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:01:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from viper.es.ele.tue.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23226; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:01:44 -0400 Received: by viper.es.ele.tue.nl; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:01:33 +0100 Received: from E_EME/MAILQUEUE by emelan.eme.ele.tue.nl (Mercury 1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 95 13:00:57 MET-1DST Received: from MAILQUEUE by E_EME (Mercury 1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 95 13:00:35 MET-1DST From: "Maarten van de Velde" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:00:35 MET-2DST Subject: Re: MWAVE 2.0: to install or not to install Reply-To: elmemv@urc.tue.nl Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: > Have our European friends had any luck using MWAVE 2.0, or have you all > switched back to 1.10? I'm wondering because I have a few trips > scheduled to Europe in the next few months and have use for telephony. Well, I've just FTP-ed all the files from IBM's W3 page and I'm gonna try it out over the weekend. Since Harald Skotnes in Norway had some luck in getting things going I think that there is a fair chance that I can get it to work over here: *THE NETHERLANDS*. Like him, I had to use the ATX3 modem command for the 1.10 MWave. I will post my finding on the list one of the next days. Maarten van de Velde BTW. I think I didn't introduce me and my TP yet, but since last month I'm happy with my 755CE/24RAM/810HD, which I use to run Win95 (Yes: ... installing all the updates from IBM W3 overseas :-) I am a researcher in the Biomedical engineering field, mainly EEG signal processing (see "http://www.er.ele.tue.nl/eme/www/"). So I hack some [code] in C/C++/MSWord and also do some fun stuff like Webbing and Music writing - all on the TP! And I think this TP mailing list is great! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 29 11:06:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24643; Fri, 29 Sep 95 11:06:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10344; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:49:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:49:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fris.fris.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10321; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:49:50 -0400 Received: from fl1tty04.fris.nl (fl1tty04.fris.nl [193.67.218.69]) by fris.fris.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA08562 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:50:50 -0100 Message-Id: <199509291750.QAA08562@fris.fris.nl> X-Sender: janomill@fris.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:49:00 +0200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Jan van der Meulen Subject: new TP-user Hello, Hereby I like to introduce myself/my computer: I use a 750c with a 486 33 proc and 12 mb internal and 170mb harddisk (which already seems a little bit to small:-(( ) I have win95 running and are using WPWIN6.1 on this machine. I'm not very technical, but I'm reading the messages of this list with interest.. Jan van der Meulen From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 29 12:36:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10311; Fri, 29 Sep 95 12:36:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20750; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:19:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:19:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20711; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:19:41 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA00496; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:24:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:24:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 29 12:49:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11499; Fri, 29 Sep 95 12:49:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22364; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:32:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:32:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22332; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:32:19 -0400 Received: from filler11.PEAK.ORG (filler11.PEAK.ORG [198.68.21.145]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id JAA18865; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:31:58 -0700 Received: by filler11.PEAK.ORG with Microsoft Mail id <01BA8E4E.C4A74600@filler11.PEAK.ORG>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:34:26 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA8E4E.C4A74600@filler11.PEAK.ORG> From: Jim Lee To: "'mm'" Cc: "'Thinkpad Mailing List'" Subject: RE: 755 vs 701 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:24:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, No, the sound system on the 701 and 755 are *not* the same. The = 755CX/CD/CV use the Mwave DSP chip for sound, and also for modem & = telephony functions. The 701 uses the ESS688 sound chip, which is an = emulated sound blaster chip used in most other laptops. The 701 also = has a standard Rockwell-based 14.4K non-upgradeable modem. As far as = the screens go, I actually have one of each - dual scan *and* active = matrix. When put side-by-side, it is easy to see why you would want to = pay a little extra for the active matrix. Strangely, the battery on the = active matrix unit lasts about 10% longer than the passive-matrix. I = would have expected to see the opposite results. I switched the = batteries between the units to see if it made a difference, but I got = the same results. As for the keyboard, after posting my message, I = called up IBM Easyserv to find out if it was a common complaint = (mushiness), and they told me to send in my unit to have the keyboard = replaced. They promised a 3-day turnaround which turned out to be seven = due to a backorder on replacement keyboards. I just got the unit back = an hour ago, and have played with the new keyboard a little - it feels = great! I hope I can still say that after using it for a month or two, = though. I'm also posting this message to the TP750 list to advise other = 701 owners with sub-par keyboards to get them replaced - it makes a = world of difference. ---------- From: mm[SMTP:mm@HUGE.net.hk] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 1995 10:08 PM To: leejim@peak.org >From mm Fri Sep 29 13:08 HKT 1995 To: leejim@peak.org (Jim Lee) Subject: Re: TP 701 vs TP 755-Your opinions. Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 234 Is the sound system on the 701 & 755 the same? is your 701 dualscan or TFT? is the TFT display on the 701 same as the = 755? I'm gonna get a 701C, why is the keyboard "MUSHY?"=20 Does the machine not feel solid? Pls advise. Thanks. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 29 13:52:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16676; Fri, 29 Sep 95 13:52:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28613; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:33:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:32:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay-3.mail.demon.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28558; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:32:16 -0400 Received: from filct.demon.co.uk by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab07545; 29 Sep 95 15:13 +0100 From: "Mike O'Carroll" X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, phong@phsmc.synapse.net Subject: Re: MWave 2.0 (connection problems) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 15:04:07 BST Message-Id: <9509291504.aa12014@hipass.filct.com> The noise definitely does not sound like any modem negotiation process that I've ever heard before. In fact it almost sounds like a harpsicord or electronic keyboard. In fact, there is a pattern that is something like this. 1. typical modem negotiation, then 2. 2 or 3 of those harpsicord notes. Well, the 2 strange notes (always reminds me of a stick twanged over the edge of a table) is characteristic of V34. But if you're not connecting, maybe the line isn't up to it, or (surely not ;-) the MWave driver is buggy. Mike From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 01:54:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06466; Sat, 30 Sep 95 01:54:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01943; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:53:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:49:08 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01564; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:49:07 -0400 From: "<@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu:elf@dgp.toronto.edu> Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA16620; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:48:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:48:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199509300548.BAA16620@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Received: from explorer.dgp.toronto.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21794; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:19:38 -0400 Received: by explorer.dgp.toronto.edu id <144003>; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:19:23 -04 Apparently-To: To: undisclosed-recipients:;@cs.utk.edu 00 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) From: Eugene Fiume To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: FaxWorks 3.0 and MWAVE 2.0 Message-Id: <95Sep29.231923edt.144003@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:19:12 -0400 My MWAVE modem says I'm connecting at the full 28.8Kbaud (K=1000) using my newly installed MWAVE 2.0 upgrade (on a 755CE with 16MB running DOS/Win3.1 for communication). Nice and fast. That's the good news. The bad news is that FaxWorks doesn't work any more. The MWAVE 2 docs say something about changing the fax priority, which I did. However, upon starting up FaxWorks, and before the MWAVE discriminator would normally have come up in MWAVE 1, I get the error: MCI Error There is an undetectable problem in loading the specified device driver. This (as usual for Windows) requires me to then reboot the machine, since all buttons then become inoperable. Now, faxworks.ini in windows\system specifies the MWAVE modem, so I'm a little confused about this error. MIDI stuff appears to play just fine, and the modem works both in DOS and in Windows. Would that it worked under Linux so I could drop the others for something I know. Any suggestions? Cheers, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 01:54:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06471; Sat, 30 Sep 95 01:54:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02093; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:54:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:53:00 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01909; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:52:58 -0400 From: Received: from wilma by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA16672; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:52:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:52:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199509300552.BAA16672@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Received: from execpc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01202; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:37:46 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (root@earth.execpc.com [204.29.202.50]) by execpc.com (8. Apparently-To: To: undisclosed-recipients:;@cs.utk.edu 7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA18728 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:36:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from earth (dce@earth [204.29.202.50]) by earth.execpc.com (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id AAA00845 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:37:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:37:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Clark X-Sender: dce@earth To: Thinkpad750 List Subject: mw2 dos/win Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I installed the mw2 dos/win drivers on my tp755ce, and ran into the following problems... Attempting to run Windows gives me a 'Call To Undefined Dynalink' error, and kicks me out. After playing around with it a bit, I noticed that I could avoid this critical error simply by removing the 'C:\MWW\DLL' portion of my path statement (which was added by the install). Of course, removing this also meant that I couldn't run any of the MWave software without getting the 'unable to locate .dll' errors. I looked into the win.ini & system.ini files to see what was in the 'run=' and 'drivers=' sections, and played with those enough to determine that both 'run=c:\mww\manager\mws.exe' and 'drivers=mmsystem.dll' were the source of the 'dynalink' errors I was getting. With 'C:\MWW\DLL' in my path, they don't work, but without it, they do. If anyone might have a thought or suggestion on this, it would be greatly appreciated. (I've tried re-installing everything over, same result). Also, it appears that activating my modem/sb emulation in DOS (using the fastcfg) uses an additional 4 meg of extended memory. Combining this with a 2 meg smartdrv, I end up with only 9 of my 16 meg available with nothing else loaded. Is this normal?? (This is with the sound resume feature off). Any thoughts appreciated, DC From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 01:55:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06478; Sat, 30 Sep 95 01:55:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01938; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:53:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:51:01 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01740; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:50:59 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA16637; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:50:23 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23364; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:37:41 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA11797 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 11:24:32 +0800 Message-Id: <199509300324.AA11797@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 11:33:08 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: phong@phsmc.synapse.net Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: ram increase On Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:36:43 -0400 (EDT) you wrote: >Only way to 32MB is with the DIMM module and you would have to buy the 8MB >and 16MB memory chips. If 24MB will suffice, you can buy the 16MB IC DRAM card. > At least one vendor sells a 32MB IC DRAM card and that is Kingston. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 02:06:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07390; Sat, 30 Sep 95 02:06:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03057; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:06:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:05:49 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02988; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:05:47 -0400 From: Keith Moore Received: by wilma.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id CAA16904; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:05:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:05:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199509300605.CAA16904@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: apology for trashed messages Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu I am testing out a new list expander, and I misconfigured it, causing it to bounce three messages that were intended for the list. Then I tried to resend those messages using cut-and-paste, and ended up trashing them. So if you got wierd messages with lines like "To: undisclosed-recipients:;", my apologies. I believe I've now successfully resent all of the trashed messages to the list, but if yours didn't make it, please resend. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Sep 30 02:09:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07500; Sat, 30 Sep 95 02:09:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02798; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:01:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:01:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02778; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:01:39 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id CAA16825; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:01:36 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <199509300601.CAA16825@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Received: from execpc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01202; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:37:46 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (root@earth.execpc.com [204.29.202.50]) by execpc.com (8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA18728 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:36:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from earth (dce@earth [204.29.202.50]) by earth.execpc.com (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id AAA00845 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:37:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:37:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Clark X-Sender: dce@earth To: Thinkpad750 List Subject: mw2 dos/win Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:01:30 -0400 Resent-From: Keith Moore I installed the mw2 dos/win drivers on my tp755ce, and ran into the following problems... Attempting to run Windows gives me a 'Call To Undefined Dynalink' error, and kicks me out. After playing around with it a bit, I noticed that I could avoid this critical error simply by removing the 'C:\MWW\DLL' portion of my path statement (which was added by the install). Of course, removing this also meant that I couldn't run any of the MWave software without getting the 'unable to locate .dll' errors. I looked into the win.ini & system.ini files to see what was in the 'run=' and 'drivers=' sections, and played with those enough to determine that both 'run=c:\mww\manager\mws.exe' and 'drivers=mmsystem.dll' were the source of the 'dynalink' errors I was getting. With 'C:\MWW\DLL' in my path, they don't work, but without it, they do. If anyone might have a thought or suggestion on this, it would be greatly appreciated. (I've tried re-installing everything over, same result). Also, it appears that activating my modem/sb emulation in DOS (using the fastcfg) uses an additional 4 meg of extended memory. Combining this with a 2 meg smartdrv, I end up with only 9 of my 16 meg available with nothing else loaded. Is this normal?? (This is with the sound resume feature off). Any thoughts appreciated, DC From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 02:38:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08853; Sat, 30 Sep 95 02:38:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05195; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:38:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:37:45 -0400 Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05135; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:37:42 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0syvY2-00010BC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 23:37 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: your mail To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:37:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199509300548.BAA16620@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "cs.utk.edu!owner-tp750" at Sep 30, 95 01:48:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > my newly installed MWAVE 2.0 upgrade (on a 755CE with 16MB running DOS/Win3.1 > for communication). Nice and fast. That's the good news. > > The bad news is that FaxWorks doesn't work any more. IBM has released a new version of FaxWorks Voice on CompuServe. It is stated that this version (3.00f.058) is the one to use with MWave 2.0. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 09:55:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00408; Sat, 30 Sep 95 09:55:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14736; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:54:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:50:10 -0400 Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14316; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:50:08 -0400 Received: from hopi.gate.net (jbush@hopi.gate.net [199.227.0.13]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA62034 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:45:15 -0400 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by hopi.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA29208; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:45:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:45:00 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bush To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWAVE & RAM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII first i would like to thank all of you who were kind enough to offer help on upgrading of ran. the help is much appreciated. Secondly, with regard to the mwave200 files. you will find that the files in compuserve are smaller in size than those labeled the same in the ftp. why this difference i do not know but the files are of different size. again thank you jamie From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 10:08:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00495; Sat, 30 Sep 95 10:08:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15954; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 10:08:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 10:07:51 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15883; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 10:07:50 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA20035; Sat, 30 Sep 95 10:08:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 10:08:03 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9509301408.AA20035@nile.gnat.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: using German phone lines I am going to Frankfurt next week, and hope to be able to dial in with (old!) Mwave software. But Radio Shack had no special plug available (they said that their plug kit was a new item not available for another two weeks). What do I need, and how do I get it (or make it!) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 11:06:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09562; Sat, 30 Sep 95 11:06:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20622; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 11:06:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 11:04:04 -0400 Received: from chsun.eunet.ch by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20297; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 11:04:01 -0400 Received: from ubszh.UUCP by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.10/1.34) id QAA15487; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:03:38 +0100 Received: from stm537.ubszh.net.ch by ubszh.net.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA05348; Sat, 30 Sep 95 16:01:43 +0100 Received: from stm555 by stm537.ubszh.net.ch (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA15656; Sat, 30 Sep 95 16:02:34 +0100 Message-Id: <9509301502.AA15656@stm537.ubszh.net.ch> Received: by stm555 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA05599; Sat, 30 Sep 95 16:02:33 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Tim Vetter Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 16:02:32 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines Reply-To: vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.CH > I am going to Frankfurt next week, and hope to be able to > dial in with (old!) Mwave software. But Radio Shack had no > special plug available (they said that their plug kit was a > new item not available for another two weeks). What do I need, > and how do I get it (or make it!) You can get the physical adaptor to go from modular to the German plug at any decent electronics store there. However at least *some* of the available adaptors invert the pair combinations wrt North American devices, ie black/yellow active instead of red/green, so if you're not getting dialtone, this may be the problem. At this point get out your pocket knife! Myself, if I'm not sure about telecom standards at my destination, I bring a small hardware hacking kit consisting of alligator clips, electrical tape, a couple modular male-to-female adaptors, and scavenged bits of 4-conductor cabling with male modular plugs on one or both ends. That gives you a fair degree of flexibility in adapting to the quirks of the local system. Frequently I will dismantle the jack box so I can attach directly to loop. Although naturally any attempt to attach a non-approved device to a Continental phone network would be considered illegal if not particularly immoral. Two other things, call progress tones in many parts of Europe lack the precision of those from North American switches, so you may have to tell the modem to skip the dialtone check with, I believe, an ATXn. Second, lots of German lines are configured to send "toll pulses" (Gebuehrenimpulse) to the set, typically to click a mechanical counter as billing units go by. These pulses consist of short 14kHz tones at a whopping 10+ RMS Volts, a good order of magnitude stronger than your modem squawk. Most Continental modems have a low-pass filter built-in to take care of this, but North American modems will drop connections like crazy on a line like this. Not much you can do except construct your own filter or find another line that doesn't have Gebuehrenimpulse enabled. Then again maybe the MWave firmware is "global" in the sense that low-pass-filtering is there already ... I don't have one, so I can't check. ****************************************************** Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) ------------------------------------------------------ Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland ****************************************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 12:24:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14983; Sat, 30 Sep 95 12:24:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27056; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:24:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:22:00 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26799; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:21:58 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0558; Sat, 30 Sep 95 12:15:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9509301915.AA0558@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 31EC1E292DED88A5852562460046318F; Sat, 30 Sep 95 12:15:21 To: Eugene Fiume Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 29 Sep 95 9:05:05 EDT Subject: Re: MWAVE 2.0: to install or not to install Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....Failing this, is there an easy way to keep parallel MWAVE directories and just rename things accordingly?...." you could setup a boot menu in your config.sys like: [menu] menuitem=mw1, MWave 1.1 menuitem=mw2, MWave 2.0 then just make separate lists of config.sys commands under the headings [mw1] and [mw2]. separate your autoexec the same way, using :mw1 and :mw2 for headings, and make the first statement in your autoexec, goto %config%. then you don't have any manual renaming to do. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 16:39:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11802; Sat, 30 Sep 95 16:39:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15505; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:38:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:35:37 -0400 Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15336; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:35:35 -0400 Received: from muskie.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29657; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:35:03 -0500 Received: by muskie.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA59546; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:33:58 -0500 From: rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9509302033.AA59546@muskie.uhc.com> Subject: using German phone lines To: tp750@cs.utk.edu (IBM 750 newsgroup) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:33:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have their address, but TeleAdapt, Inc. has the phone and electric adapters to help mobile warriors go to any and all countries in the world, including Germany. They are headquartered in London but have a California office. Email me during the week next week if you need their exact address--I won't be able to respond until around Friday. >>I am going to Frankfurt next week, and hope to be able to dial in with (old!) Mwave software. But Radio Shack had no special plug available (they said that their plug kit was a new item not available for another two weeks). What do I need, and how do I get it (or make it!) You can get the physical adaptor to go from modular to the German plug at any decent electronics store there. However at least *some* of the available adaptors invert the pair combinations wrt North American devices, ie black/yellow active instead of red/green, so if you're not getting dialtone, this may be the problem. At this point get out your pocket knife! Myself, if I'm not sure about telecom standards at my destination, I bring a small hardware hacking kit consisting of alligator clips, electrical tape, a couple modular male-to-female adaptors, and scavenged bits of 4-conductor cabling with male modular plugs on one or both ends. That gives you a fair degree of flexibility in adapting to the quirks of the local system. Frequently I will dismantle the jack box so I can attach directly to loop. Although naturally any attempt to attach a non-approved device to a Continental phone network would be considered illegal if not particularly immoral. Two other things, call progress tones in many parts of Europe lack the precision of those from North American switches, so you may have to tell the modem to skip the dialtone check with, I believe, an ATXn. Second, lots of German lines are configured to send "toll pulses" (Gebuehrenimpulse) to the set, typically to click a mechanical counter as billing units go by. These pulses consist of short 14kHz tones at a whopping 10+ RMS Volts, a good order of magnitude stronger than your modem squawk. Most Continental modems have a low-pass filter built-in to take care of this, but North American modems will drop connections like crazy on a line like this. Not much you can do except construct your own filter or find another line that doesn't have Gebuehrenimpulse enabled. Then again maybe the MWave firmware is "global" in the sense that low-pass-filtering is there already ... I don't have one, so I can't check. ****************************************************** Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) ------------------------------------------------------ Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland ****************************************************** << -- Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529| 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502| Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com| ** B'days are good for health ** Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 19:12:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08172; Sat, 30 Sep 95 19:12:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26503; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 19:12:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 19:10:49 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26400; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 19:10:47 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05940; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:10:44 +1000 From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA25088; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:10:41 +1000 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:10:41 +1000 Message-Id: <199509302310.JAA25088@leonard.anu.edu.au> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: mwave outside the u.s. ibm makes and sells an external version of the mwave modem that bascially plugs into the same socket on thinkpads. you might want to consider getting one of these for use outside the u.s. - could save a lot of time. regards, al + Alden S. Klovdahl, Ph.D e-mail: alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au Department of Sociology fax: +61 62 49 05 25 The Faculties voice - The Australian National University messages: +61 62 49 45 21 Canberra A.C.T. my office: +61 62 49 44 79 Australia 0200 home: +61 62 82 35 81 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 22:19:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16261; Sat, 30 Sep 95 22:19:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10031; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:19:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:16:53 -0400 Received: from maple.grove.iup.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09840; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:16:49 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2467) id <01HVWG59HT008Y661K@grove.iup.edu>; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:11:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark_Strawcutter Subject: TrackPoint II drifting To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HVWIPFXXTS8Y661K@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania X-Envelope-To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT My 755CD TrackPint III will have mild episodes of drift - the mouse cursor will start moving on it's own - that usually stop after .25-.50 inches. This I can live with and even remember reading about in the manual somewhere. The real reason for this post is an older 350 we have at work. It has more frequent episodes with it's TrackPoint II, but the cursor will keep moving until it hits the edge of the screen. I know the 350 isn't technically within the scope of this list, but I wondered if any of you experienced a similar problem with a 350 and if so was there a solution. Thanks ---------- Mark J Strawcutter Internet: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu Director, Systems and Communications BITNET: MJSTRAW@IUP Indiana University of Pennsylvania Voice: (412) 357-4007 Indiana, PA 15705 "you can't nail jello to a tree" From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 02:43:02 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00319; Sun, 1 Oct 95 02:43:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26884; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 02:42:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 02:38:58 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26644; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 02:38:53 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@bass.hooked.net [199.2.134.18]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA15040; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:37:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:37:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199510010637.XAA15040@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mark_Strawcutter From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu This came up before, and I think the answer from an ibm tech was that the trackpoint is periodically polled for it's position, and that position is made the new "center". Seems the problem they didn't consider is that you may be pushing on it during a poll, and when you release it, you're no longer in what it thinks is the center. Basically, just live with it, you can't fix it, and when it happens, just wait a bit for it to right itself. One odd note, this used to happen to me from time to time in win3.1, but I just realized that I can't recall it happening even once since I switched to win95 a year ago.. Just lucky? Can anyone confirm that the problem still occurs in win95? I thought it was something in rom, not the mouse driver. Oh, I have a 755cs (but the same thing happened on my 720) ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 09:35:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25664; Sun, 1 Oct 95 09:35:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03936; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:34:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:32:26 -0400 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03753; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:32:24 -0400 Received: from cyclone.mitre.org (cyclone.mitre.org [128.29.86.13]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA02843 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:32:22 -0400 Received: from mwppp4.mitre.org by cyclone.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17512; Sun, 1 Oct 95 09:32:26 EDT Message-Id: <9510011332.AA17512@cyclone.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@cyclone X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 14:33:58 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: David Hite Subject: Re: using German phone lines >lots of German lines are configured to send "toll >pulses" (Gebuehrenimpulse) to the set, typically to click a >mechanical counter as billing units go by. Magellan's travel catalog (1-800-962-4943), sells what they call a "TeleFilter" for $49.50 that they claim eliminates these signals. The catalog number is #ET009, and they say that it is "strongly recommended in Austria, Germany, and Switzerland." Haven't tried it, so don't know if it works, but I've ordered other stuff from them in the past that was OK. David From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 11:28:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00310; Sun, 1 Oct 95 11:28:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12990; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:28:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:24:51 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12643; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:24:47 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA31304; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:20:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9510011520.AA31304@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting To: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: MJSTRAW@grove.iup.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510010637.XAA15040@mom.hooked.net> from "jesse montrose" at Sep 30, 95 11:37:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > One odd note, this used to happen to me from time to time in win3.1, but I > just realized that I can't recall it happening even once since I switched to > win95 a year ago.. Just lucky? Can anyone confirm that the problem still > occurs in win95? I thought it was something in rom, not the mouse driver. It's happened a couple of times to me under Win95 on my TP755cx (which has the "trackpoint III") -- but only if I absentmindedly leave my finger on the little nub, applying a little pressure. It corrects itself quickly once I let go of the thing. It hasn't done it unless I was the direct cause. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 12:18:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07506; Sun, 1 Oct 95 12:18:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17253; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:18:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:17:02 -0400 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17096; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:16:58 -0400 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (sears@localhost) by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.8davy) id LAA23392; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:15:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199510011615.LAA23392@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:15:52 -0500 From: Michael J Sears To: MJSTRAW@grove.iup.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting Mark, I had this problem on my TP 350 as well in MS Windows 3.1. Your post doesn't state if you this is a Windows or DOS or whatever releated problem. If running Windows 3.x, have your co-worker double check to see if Windows is installed for "MS-DOS System with APM" (instead of "MS- DOS System"). Making this change solved this problem for me.i This needs to be done from DOS - not from within Windows or in a DOS box. I can't comment about the 755 CD - sorry. Michael |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| | ___ | Michael J. Sears, Graduate Student | | ( __ __ __ __ | INTERNET: sears@ecn.purdue.edu | | `-- |--'| || (_ | Department of Agricultural & Biological Engineering | | ___) `-- `--|| __) | Purdue University | | | West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1146 USA | | | Home Page: http://www.evansville.net/~sears/ | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| --> From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 21:22 EST 1995 --> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:11:58 -0400 (EDT) --> From: Mark_Strawcutter --> Subject: TrackPoint II drifting --> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu --> X-Envelope-to: tp750@cs.utk.edu --> MIME-version: 1.0 --> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT --> --> My 755CD TrackPint III will have mild episodes of drift - the mouse cursor will --> start moving on it's own - that usually stop after .25-.50 inches. This I can --> live with and even remember reading about in the manual somewhere. --> --> The real reason for this post is an older 350 we have at work. It has more --> frequent episodes with it's TrackPoint II, but the cursor will keep moving --> until it hits the edge of the screen. I know the 350 isn't technically within --> the scope of this list, but I wondered if any of you experienced a similar --> problem with a 350 and if so was there a solution. --> --> Thanks --> --> ---------- --> Mark J Strawcutter Internet: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu --> Director, Systems and Communications BITNET: MJSTRAW@IUP --> Indiana University of Pennsylvania Voice: (412) 357-4007 --> Indiana, PA 15705 "you can't nail jello to a tree" From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 13:58:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12720; Sun, 1 Oct 95 13:58:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22443; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 13:58:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 13:55:30 -0400 Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22279; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 13:55:27 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.32] (mac32.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA00338; Sun, 1 Oct 95 13:55:22 EDT Message-Id: <9510011755.AA00338@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:09:35 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: 386spart.par I was doing my fall disk cleaning, and I've come across a huge file which I can't identify. I'm running dual-boot Warp or Dos on a 540 meg disk partitioned into a 260 meg FAT partition and a 260 meg HPFS partition. On the FAT partition, there are the two dos hidden files, the two warp extended attribute hidden files, the hidden thinkpad hibernation file, and another hidden mystery file called 386SPART.PAR. This file is 29 megs! Does anybody know what this file does? What will die if this file is corrupted? My guess is that it is a swap file belonging to either Warp or windows. If it is a warp file, I assume that it will run faster and safer on the HPFS partition. Extra credit question: I can run windows under warp, but not under dos boot. This problem dates to my last video driver update dabacle, where I tried to install 755wd101 video drivers on my 750 mono. I went back to the older drivers, but I can't boot windows from dos anymore. Any ideas? Thanks for your help. ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 14:44:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15109; Sun, 1 Oct 95 14:44:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26281; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:43:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:42:11 -0400 Received: from maple.grove.iup.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26195; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:42:10 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2467) id <01HVXGFIYQUO8Y6HKS@grove.iup.edu>; Sun, 01 Oct 1995 14:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 14:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark_Strawcutter Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Sun, 01 Oct 1995 11:15:52 -0500" <199510011615.LAA23392@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HVXH45J9UC8Y6HKS@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania X-Envelope-To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >I had this problem on my TP 350 as well in MS Windows 3.1. Your post >doesn't state if you this is a Windows or DOS or whatever releated problem. Both. Mostly noticable in Windows, but also with WP5.1 for DOS. >If running Windows 3.x, have your co-worker double check to see if >Windows is installed for "MS-DOS System with APM" (instead of "MS- >DOS System"). Making this change solved this problem for me.i >This needs to be done from DOS - not from within Windows or in a DOS box. What needs to be done - the checking or the reinstallation? >I can't comment about the 755 CD - sorry. The 755CD isn't really a problem. Very infrequent episodes, and total spontaneous movement is ony a quarter inch or so. ---------- Mark J Strawcutter Internet: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu Director, Systems and Communications BITNET: MJSTRAW@IUP Indiana University of Pennsylvania Voice: (412) 357-4007 Indiana, PA 15705 "you can't nail jello to a tree" From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 14:58:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15937; Sun, 1 Oct 95 14:58:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27789; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:58:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:56:08 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27490; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:55:59 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@bass.hooked.net [199.2.134.18]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA01800 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:55:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:55:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199510011855.LAA01800@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: jesse montrose Subject: RE: 755 vs 701 At 09:24 AM 9/29/95 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: > No, the sound system on the 701 and 755 are *not* the same. The 755CX/CD/CV use the Mwave DSP chip for sound, and also for modem & telephony functions. The 701 uses the ESS688 sound chip, which is an emulated sound blaster chip used in most other laptops. The 701 also has a standard Rockwell-based 14.4K non-upgradeable modem. Wow, that's really disappointing.. I thought I'd read that the 701 used the same mwave stuff as the high755 pads. I was waiting for them to give us a 701 with a pentium in it :) ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 14:58:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15942; Sun, 1 Oct 95 14:58:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27811; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:58:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:56:01 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27489; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:55:59 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@bass.hooked.net [199.2.134.18]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA01796; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:55:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:55:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199510011855.LAA01796@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: 386spart.par Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 02:09 PM 10/1/95 +0100, Victor Kress wrote: >file called 386SPART.PAR. This file is 29 megs! Does anybody know what >this file does? What will die if this file is corrupted? My guess is that >it is a swap file belonging to either Warp or windows. If it is a warp >file, I assume that it will run faster and safer on the HPFS partition. Good guess, though unfortunately, it's windows 3.1 that uses it, so I'm pretty sure you can't put it on an HPFS partition. Nothing will die if it gets deleted or corrupted, you'll get a message when you run win31 next that warns you and asks if it can delete/recreate it for you. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 16:09:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21247; Sun, 1 Oct 95 16:09:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04085; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:09:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:06:42 -0400 Received: from sh1.ro.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03784; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:06:41 -0400 Received: from dramsey.ro.com (ts1p8.ro.com [205.216.92.28]) by sh1.ro.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00427 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 15:12:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 15:12:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199510012012.PAA00427@sh1.ro.com> X-Sender: dramsey@ro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu (IBM 750 newsgroup) From: Don Ramsey Subject: using German phone lines I came across this in the latest email from the Road Warrior company: >New Telephone Adapters > >We've just added adapters which allow a standard US RJ11 modular telephone to >plug into telephone jacks in Israel, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa. >These are in addition to the adapters we already carry for use in the UK, Hong >Kong, Finland, Norway, Poland, Russia, Sweden, Korea, France, Italy, Germany, >Hungary, Denmark, and the Netherlands. Watch for more additions in the near >future, or visit our adapters page at http://warrior.com/cpplus/. > Don at dramsey@ro.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 20:19:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08352; Sun, 1 Oct 95 20:19:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22499; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:19:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:17:06 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22365; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:17:03 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@webe.hooked.net [199.2.134.9]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA00360 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 17:16:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 17:16:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199510020016.RAA00360@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad Mailing List From: jesse montrose Subject: new 'pads Whew! I was afraid I'd have to jump ship, but it looks like they have things well in hand :) ------------------------------ IBM said its new ThinkPads contain a special IBM video chip that generates images quickly enough to meet the film industry's latest digital standards on a 12.1 inch screen, which is 35 percent larger than the standard 10.4 inch screen. The new ThinkPads are based on Intel Corp. Pentium processors, running at speeds of 90 and 120 megahertz. The 760 Series also is equipped with a tilt-up typing surface that assumes a five degree angle when opened. Underneath the keyboard is a compartment which can hold a number of components, such as a second battery or another hard drive for more storage capacity. The weight of the new models ranges from 6.1 pounds to 7.4 pounds. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 00:09:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21596; Mon, 2 Oct 95 00:09:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12067; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:09:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:05:40 -0400 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11638; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:05:38 -0400 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (sears@localhost) by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.8davy) for delivery to "tp750@cs.utk.edu" id XAA12270; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 23:05:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199510020405.XAA12270@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 23:05:35 -0500 From: Michael J Sears To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting --> From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 13:46 EST 1995 --> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 14:39:02 -0400 (EDT) --> From: Mark_Strawcutter --> Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting --> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu --> X-Envelope-to: tp750@cs.utk.edu --> MIME-version: 1.0 --> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT --> --> >I had this problem on my TP 350 as well in MS Windows 3.1. Your post --> >doesn't state if you this is a Windows or DOS or whatever releated problem. --> --> Both. Mostly noticable in Windows, but also with WP5.1 for DOS. --> --> >If running Windows 3.x, have your co-worker double check to see if --> >Windows is installed for "MS-DOS System with APM" (instead of "MS- --> >DOS System"). Making this change solved this problem for me.i --> >This needs to be done from DOS - not from within Windows or in a DOS box. --> --> What needs to be done - the checking or the reinstallation? Both. You will need to run the setup.exe program in your Windows directory. I don't know if it will solve the problem or not since it is showing up in DOS, and my solution involves changing your Windows installation. Granted, I hardly ever used a DOS program on it that made use of the Track Point, most all of my software is Windows based. When my TP was doing this (mostly) was when the APM would kick in - well actually when you tried to resume after suspending. Good luck, Michael J. Sears sears@ecn.purdue.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 05:12:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09565; Mon, 2 Oct 95 05:12:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04836; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:11:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:08:28 -0400 Received: from viper.es.ele.tue.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04347; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:08:14 -0400 Received: by viper.es.ele.tue.nl; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:08:01 +0100 Received: from E_EME/MAILQUEUE by emelan.eme.ele.tue.nl (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:07:28 MET-1DST Received: from MAILQUEUE by E_EME (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:07:09 MET-1DST From: "Maarten van de Velde" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:07:07 MET-2DST Subject: Re: MWAVE 2.0 - works in NL Reply-To: elmemv@urc.tue.nl Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: I promissed to follow up on the new MWave 2.0 installation in the Netherlands: It works! 'Simply installed all disks, and yo! it was ready to be used. I still use the extra command ATX3 before dailing (disable dial-tone detection). And I am able to get 28.8 kbs connections! (though not all the time, due to a limited number of 28.8 lines on our university's dial-in server). Maarten van de Velde FYI: Machine TP755CE / OS: Windows95 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 05:27:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10292; Mon, 2 Oct 95 05:27:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09032; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:26:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:25:23 -0400 Received: from chsun.eunet.ch by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08531; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:25:16 -0400 Received: from ubszh.UUCP by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.10/1.34) id KAA16609; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:24:58 +0100 Received: from stm537.ubszh.net.ch by ubszh.net.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA09663; Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:22:57 +0100 Received: from stm555 by stm537.ubszh.net.ch (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA16570; Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:23:49 +0100 Message-Id: <9510020923.AA16570@stm537.ubszh.net.ch> Received: by stm555 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00447; Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:23:49 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Tim Vetter Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:23:48 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines Reply-To: vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.CH References: <9509301514.AA20828@nile.gnat.com> > Magellan's travel catalog (1-800-962-4943), sells what they > call a "TeleFilter" for $49.50 that they claim eliminates > these signals. The catalog number is #ET009, and they say > that it is "strongly recommended in Austria, Germany, and > Switzerland." Yikes, $49.50 ... I *must* get into the hardware business. Made one of these things a few months ago out of four resistors and three capacitors, grand total cost about $2. If somebody wants the schematic, mail me and I'll try to dig it up. ****************************************************** Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) ------------------------------------------------------ Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland ****************************************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 10:09:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27052; Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:09:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07436; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:08:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:06:14 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07159; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:06:06 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15711; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:10:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Tim Vetter Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: <9510020923.AA16570@stm537.ubszh.net.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I haven't been following this discussion carefully - not of interest to me - but if someone will write a few lines about what problem this is designed to solve, and provide the schematic&assembly instructions, it'll be one of the first contributions to the new web pages... Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape one, but there's a pure HTML command.... Oh, and I can scan that schematic if it's not in electronic form. On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Tim Vetter wrote: > > Magellan's travel catalog (1-800-962-4943), sells what they > > call a "TeleFilter" for $49.50 that they claim eliminates > > these signals. The catalog number is #ET009, and they say > > that it is "strongly recommended in Austria, Germany, and > > Switzerland." > > Yikes, $49.50 ... I *must* get into the hardware business. Made > one of these things a few months ago out of four resistors and > three capacitors, grand total cost about $2. If somebody wants > the schematic, mail me and I'll try to dig it up. > > ****************************************************** > Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) > tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) > ------------------------------------------------------ > Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development > Union Bank of Switzerland > voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 > snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland > ****************************************************** > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:01:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00111; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:01:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13642; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:00:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:59:55 -0400 Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13457; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:59:53 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA22549; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:00:41 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:00:41 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199510021500.PAA22549@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM, gen@nynexst.com, manning@cs.vassar.edu Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Cc: art@aars.mit.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu At least IBM is consistent.... The TP "disk factory" asks the user to insert a "2MB diskette". It had me going for a while, until I realized they really meant a 3.5HD (1.44MB in my language) diskette. (Sorry for adding to a time-waster of a thread here, but I couldn't resist...) --Ted Baker From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:27:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03474; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:27:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16951; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:26:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:24:21 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16699; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:24:14 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA21689; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:29:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: TP750 Cc: Don Whiteside , don@elf.kendall.mdcc.edu Subject: Okay - Web Page Stuff Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII for the page. The Thinkpad Mailing List WWW Page is a place where list members and the ourside world can look and try to find information relation to the IBM Thinkpad series 75x. Much information can be found in the FAQ Other info can be found on the IBM web server Parties interested in the 750 mailing list can look here Additional resources include: Hardware how to get ref guide tricks and tips modems and adaptor plugs for international nifty accessories wetsuits i have a phone cord that spools into something that looks like a cassette tape, stuff like that (suggestions here, please) upgrades HD options what's available how to do 'homebrew' where to buy special deals for list members (ie Sigma Data) suggested vendors (with name and email of person who suggested) Memory options Processor options (or lack thereof) Software what came with it making MWave work other suggestions? Misc favorite vendors related WWW resources list member vanity stuff (links to people's pages) This is meant to be a VERY rough draft. I've very open to suggestions for better layouts, etc. I'm willing to put almost any related link on these pages. I _cannot_ however, spend a lot of time chasing down links and documents, and typing instructions and the like - being a student and employee takes time... I'd like to vaguely finalize this layout by the 9th, please submit yoru comments about the outline by then. Obviously subpoint additions will happen all the time, I just want to be sure we're all happy with the layout concept. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:35:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04383; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:35:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17802; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:31:23 -0400 Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17624; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:31:16 -0400 Received: from muskie.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17253; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:30:22 -0500 Received: by muskie.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA87064; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:29:12 -0500 From: rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9510021529.AA87064@muskie.uhc.com> Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting To: sears@ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J Sears) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:29:12 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu (IBM 750 newsgroup), ibm-tp500@virginia.edu (thinkpad 500 list group) In-Reply-To: <199510011615.LAA23392@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> from "Michael J Sears" at Oct 1, 95 11:15:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never had this problem on my TP 500 until after installing Windows 95--which uses no device drivers or TSR's. I just installed Windows 95 last week. This has only happened once. Has anyone else seen this occur under Windows 95? What is the solution--the problem has gone away by rebooting. I wonder what causes this? > > Mark, > > I had this problem on my TP 350 as well in MS Windows 3.1. Your post > doesn't state if you this is a Windows or DOS or whatever releated problem. > If running Windows 3.x, have your co-worker double check to see if > Windows is installed for "MS-DOS System with APM" (instead of "MS- > DOS System"). Making this change solved this problem for me.i > This needs to be done from DOS - not from within Windows or in a DOS box. > > I can't comment about the 755 CD - sorry. > > Michael > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > | ___ | Michael J. Sears, Graduate Student | > | ( __ __ __ __ | INTERNET: sears@ecn.purdue.edu | > | `-- |--'| || (_ | Department of Agricultural & Biological Engineering | > | ___) `-- `--|| __) | Purdue University | > | | West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1146 USA | > | | Home Page: http://www.evansville.net/~sears/ | > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > --> From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 21:22 EST 1995 > --> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:11:58 -0400 (EDT) > --> From: Mark_Strawcutter > --> Subject: TrackPoint II drifting > --> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > --> X-Envelope-to: tp750@cs.utk.edu > --> MIME-version: 1.0 > --> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > --> > --> My 755CD TrackPint III will have mild episodes of drift - the mouse cursor will > --> start moving on it's own - that usually stop after .25-.50 inches. This I can > --> live with and even remember reading about in the manual somewhere. > --> > --> The real reason for this post is an older 350 we have at work. It has more > --> frequent episodes with it's TrackPoint II, but the cursor will keep moving > --> until it hits the edge of the screen. I know the 350 isn't technically within > --> the scope of this list, but I wondered if any of you experienced a similar > --> problem with a 350 and if so was there a solution. > --> > --> Thanks > --> > --> ---------- > --> Mark J Strawcutter Internet: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu > --> Director, Systems and Communications BITNET: MJSTRAW@IUP > --> Indiana University of Pennsylvania Voice: (412) 357-4007 > --> Indiana, PA 15705 "you can't nail jello to a tree" > -- Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529| 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502| Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com| ** B'days are good for health ** Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:53:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07097; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:53:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20255; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:52:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:52 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20059; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:49 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA04083 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:40 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id LAA04793; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > I haven't been following this discussion carefully - not of interest to > me - but if someone will write a few lines about what problem this is > designed to solve, and provide the schematic&assembly instructions, it'll > be one of the first contributions to the new web pages... > > Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone > know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape > one, but there's a pure HTML command.... You mean HTTP? ...it's Location: http://blah.blah.com/blahblah.html Or do you mean something else? > Oh, and I can scan that schematic if it's not in electronic form. > > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Tim Vetter wrote: > > > > Magellan's travel catalog (1-800-962-4943), sells what they > > > call a "TeleFilter" for $49.50 that they claim eliminates > > > these signals. The catalog number is #ET009, and they say > > > that it is "strongly recommended in Austria, Germany, and > > > Switzerland." > > > > Yikes, $49.50 ... I *must* get into the hardware business. Made > > one of these things a few months ago out of four resistors and > > three capacitors, grand total cost about $2. If somebody wants > > the schematic, mail me and I'll try to dig it up. > > > > ****************************************************** > > Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) > > tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development > > Union Bank of Switzerland > > voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 > > snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland > > ****************************************************** > > > > > http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:57:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07142; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:57:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20610; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:57:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:56:25 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20534; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:56:22 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA24446; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:01:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: TP750 Subject: WWW project updates Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Okay, I've made a small change to my procmail filter to make my life a little easier. If you're sending mail to me with regards to the web page, please in your subject include one of the following lines: TPWWW-SUGGESTION for suggestions about layout, subjects, etc or TPWWW-SUBMISSION for content which includes images, text files, links (please include a 1 line description of what's interesting to us about that site) and vendor reccomendations. (please include contact information for vendor) This will automatically filter these messages into folders for me, making my life about 1,000,000 times easier. Submissions can be in MIME attachments w/o a problem, so if you have any graphics (please, < 50k each, .gif or .jpg) or other things you'd like to put in attachments, that's fine. UUENCODEing is also fine. Tim, thanks for the diagram and file - you get a gold star for prompt service. Sean, I no longer have a copy of the FAQ, so if you could send me the most recent version, that would be great. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 12:17:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08408; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:17:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22698; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:13:30 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22454; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:13:28 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA26052; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:18:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone > > know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape > > one, but there's a pure HTML command.... > > You mean HTTP? ...it's Location: http://blah.blah.com/blahblah.html > > Or do you mean something else? Well, the tag I use is which is placed in the header and redirects the browsers that support it to go to your.htm, whcih can be on another machine. I wasn't sure if there was a more universal command or not, though. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 12:18:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08421; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:18:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23138; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:17:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:40 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23057; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:39 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA06352 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:17 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA08185; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > > Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone > > > know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape > > > one, but there's a pure HTML command.... > > > > You mean HTTP? ...it's Location: http://blah.blah.com/blahblah.html > > > > Or do you mean something else? > > Well, the tag I use is > which is placed in the header and redirects the browsers that support it > to go to your.htm, whcih can be on another machine. > > I wasn't sure if there was a more universal command or not, though. Oh, that takes advantage of the "client-pull" feature of some browsers. It's basically same as "Refresh: 1; blah.html" http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 12:29:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09029; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:29:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24481; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:29:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:26:34 -0400 Received: from nynexst.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24049; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:26:32 -0400 Received: from insight.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA15686; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:25:44 EDT Received: from localhost by insight.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18716; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:27:56 EDT Message-Id: <9510021627.AA18716@insight.nynexst.com> To: rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Cc: sears@ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J Sears), tp750@cs.utk.edu (IBM 750 newsgroup), ibm-tp500@virginia.edu (thinkpad 500 list group) Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:29:12 CDT." <9510021529.AA87064@muskie.uhc.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 12:27:55 -0400 From: Gen Cerf I had an extreme trackpoint drifting problem a couple of weeks ago. Mine started drifting totally out of control to the point where 9/10 times, I was getting an error on reboot which made the pad totally inoperable. When I sent the pad in for service, they replaced the trackpoint with a cat's paw one, sent an accompanying letter saying they had discovered a problem with the trackpoints, and since I was still under warranty, or the problem was theirs, I'm not sure which, I was not charged. If for any of you the problem won't go away or looks as if it's getting worse, I highly recommend scheduling the repair at a convenient time, rather than waiting until you have no choice! Gen ----------------------------------------------------- Genevieve Cerf Advanced Speech Systems NYNEX Science & Technology 500 Westchester Avenue White Plains, NY 10604 (914) 644-2407 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 12:47:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09707; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:47:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25941; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:47:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:46:20 -0400 Received: from gibbs.oit.unc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25854; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:46:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by gibbs.oit.unc.edu (8.6.4.3/10.1) id MAA23317; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:45:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:45:46 -0400 From: Michael Wexler To: Roleigh Martin Cc: Michael J Sears , IBM 750 newsgroup , thinkpad 500 list group Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting In-Reply-To: <9510021529.AA87064@muskie.uhc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For all: The drifting has occurred with both my TP500 and my Desktop, using both namebrand and cheapie mice, but only under win95... I think win95 may be the problem. Its odd, watching the ghost cursor... Someone should post on the usenet groups to get verification, and then post a note to microsoft... Good luck... Michael --- Michael Wexler Wexler@gibbs.oit.unc.edu University of North Carolina -- Chapel Hill Grad life: It's the life for me! Dept of Psychology 919-962-7636 Ram Shop 919-962-2422 Home 919-932-5458 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 14:50:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17894; Mon, 2 Oct 95 14:50:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06920; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:49:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:46:32 -0400 Received: from explorer.dgp.toronto.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06592; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:46:30 -0400 Received: by explorer.dgp.toronto.edu id <144003>; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:46:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) From: Eugene Fiume To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: analog hookup through digital line Message-Id: <95Oct2.144608edt.144003@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:46:04 -0400 I'm doing some work at a place that only has digital phone lines available to offices. Is there a creative piece of magic that would allow me to connect my laptop to the phone line through, say, the headset of the telephone receiver? I know I can't connect the straight digital wire to my laptop, but the connector to the headset does snap into my RJ11 input. Unfortunately MWAVE doesn't "hear" a dial tone. I don't mind doing all the dialing manually, etc., but I really would like some telephony capability. Any ideas? Regards, Eugene Fiume From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 14:52:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18067; Mon, 2 Oct 95 14:52:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07294; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:52:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:51:29 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07150; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:51:25 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA17948 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199510021851.LAA17948@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: HTML Redirect (was: Re: using German phone lines) At 12:18 PM 10/2/95 -0400, Don Whiteside wrote: >Well, the tag I use is >which is placed in the header and redirects the browsers that support it >to go to your.htm, whcih can be on another machine. > >I wasn't sure if there was a more universal command or not, though. There's not, or not in html, the more universal command is handled by the server, someone already mentioned it (Location: blah). Just use the netscape client-pull you have above, with a link and short message for the non-netscape users.. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 15:11:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19924; Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:11:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09048; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:10:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:47 -0400 Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08793; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199510021909.PAA08793@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from mba3.cba.uiuc.edu ([128.174.133.66]) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 evaluation license) with SMTP id AAA249 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:08:51 -0500 X-Sender: schou@mba.cba.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Sean Chou Subject: Re: analog hookup through digital line At 02:46 PM 10/2/95 -0400, you wrote: >I'm doing some work at a place that only has digital phone lines >available to offices. Is there a creative piece of magic that would There are two products that I know of: 1) Konnex 109/111 (portable version) 2) Inside Line They are both available from PC/Mac Connection. The phone number is 800.800.1111. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu Illinois MBA Web Page From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 15:11:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19934; Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:11:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09079; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:10:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:10:07 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08898; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:10:05 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA24891 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:57 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA05252; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > > > Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone > > > > know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape > > > > one, but there's a pure HTML command.... > > > > > > You mean HTTP? ...it's Location: http://blah.blah.com/blahblah.html > > > > > > Or do you mean something else? > > > > Well, the tag I use is > > which is placed in the header and redirects the browsers that support it > > to go to your.htm, whcih can be on another machine. > > > > I wasn't sure if there was a more universal command or not, though. > > Oh, that takes advantage of the "client-pull" feature of some browsers. > It's basically same as "Refresh: 1; blah.html" Forgot to also mention ..... Using Refresh: is not a redirect ...it still loads the first whatever page and then sends the person to the "refresh" destination ..... Redirects ...like with Location: ...takes the person straight there without loading the originating page and works with any browser. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 15:20:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20743; Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:20:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10127; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:18:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:18:04 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09960; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:18:02 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA17952 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199510021851.LAA17952@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad Mailing List From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting At 12:45 PM 10/2/95 -0400, Michael Wexler wrote: >The drifting has occurred with both my TP500 and my Desktop, using both >namebrand and cheapie mice, but only under win95... If it happened with a mouse, then I think we can safely say that it's not "TrackPoint II" drifting, eh? :) There is a tpII specific drifting problem that someone was asking about, that doesn't occur in traditional "mouse" type controllers. >I think win95 may be the problem. Its odd, watching the ghost cursor... Almost sounds like what you have hold of is the "trails" feature :) You might try checking the controls for your mouse, to see if the trails option is checked, in the motion section. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 15:56:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23617; Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:56:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14473; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:55:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:53:10 -0400 Received: from pelican.cit.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14198; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:53:08 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by pelican.cit.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03chaos) id AA25203; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:51:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9510021951.AA25203@pelican.cit.cornell.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: analog hookup through digital line In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:09:43 EDT." <199510021909.PAA08793@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:50:31 -0400 From: Bob Cowles > At 02:46 PM 10/2/95 -0400, you wrote: > > >I'm doing some work at a place that only has digital phone lines > >available to offices. Is there a creative piece of magic that would > > There are two products that I know of: > > 1) Konnex 109/111 (portable version) > > 2) Inside Line > > They are both available from PC/Mac Connection. The phone number > is 800.800.1111. > > --- > Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu > Illinois MBA Web Page > IBM Options reportedly has a Digital PHone System Enabler, PN 92G7519 for $105 ... I think the features sound pretty much like the Konnex box. Does the Konnex box require batteries or AC adapter? ----------------------- Bob Cowles (aka Dr. Chaos) || finger drchaos@pelican.cit.cornell.edu rdc1@cornell.edu || for contents of latest Chaos Corner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 16:18:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25030; Mon, 2 Oct 95 16:18:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17073; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:17:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:16:17 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16764; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:16:15 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA20143; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:20:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > Forgot to also mention ..... > > Using Refresh: is not a redirect ...it still loads the first whatever page > and then sends the person to the "refresh" destination ..... > > Redirects ...like with Location: ...takes the person straight there > without loading the originating page and works with any browser. Yah, knew that, failing to use proper terminology, thanks. My bad. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 20:38:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15265; Mon, 2 Oct 95 20:38:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10844; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:37:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:35:10 -0400 Received: from teal.csn.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10484; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:35:04 -0400 Received: (from vwayland@localhost) by teal.csn.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA13329 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:35:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:35:01 -0600 From: "Vincent B. Wayland" Message-Id: <199510030035.SAA13329@teal.csn.net> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C I was there yesterday. They have 1 TP755C 4/300 onclearance for $3200. I don't know if it comes with a box, let alone a Targus type case. It looked like it had been a demonstrator. this is the store in Westminster by Sheridan & 90th. Don't have a phone no. Vince From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 21:08:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17559; Mon, 2 Oct 95 21:08:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13765; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:08:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:07:17 -0400 Received: from teal.csn.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13647; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:07:14 -0400 Received: (from vwayland@localhost) by teal.csn.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA17395; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:07:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:07:07 -0600 From: "Vincent B. Wayland" Message-Id: <199510030107.TAA17395@teal.csn.net> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.CH Subject: Re: using German phone lines Please post to the group. Thanks Vince From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 21:34:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19622; Mon, 2 Oct 95 21:34:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16085; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:33:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:33:11 -0400 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16013; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:33:09 -0400 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA11569; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:16:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:16:03 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510030116.SAA11569@netcom15.netcom.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, vwayland@csn.net Subject: Re: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C A 755C on clearance for $3200 is not very interesting. Barnett Computers in NYC was selling new 755CE 8/540's on clearance for $2999. I don't know if they have any left though. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 22:05:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22110; Mon, 2 Oct 95 22:05:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19588; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:04:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:02:48 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19286; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:02:44 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA21816; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:58:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9510030158.AA21816@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510030116.SAA11569@netcom15.netcom.com> from "Paul Rubin" at Oct 2, 95 06:16:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > A 755C on clearance for $3200 is not very interesting. > Barnett Computers in NYC was selling new 755CE 8/540's > on clearance for $2999. I don't know if they have any left though. I'm not sure I'd trust Barnett's though; when I spoke with them once while inquiring about a machine they were very condescending to the point of being rude. I've exchanged email with a fellow who ordered a machine from them that was supposed to have a 2400bps PCMCIA modem thrown in; he never got it, and they've effectively told him to f*ck off. I've seen more than one report of bait-and-switch tactics used by Barnett's, including someone who saw a newspaper ad that was a great deal, went there that day and they were "out" and not issuing rainchecks. When he pressed the issue, they basically told him he'd have to be stupid to think he was going to get that machine for that price. Whether these reports are true or not, I can't say. Try posting to the newsgroup comp.sys.laptops and ask for people's impressions. I'm sure you'll hear more negative comments than positive; there are better places to spend your money. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 22:59:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25046; Mon, 2 Oct 95 22:59:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25606; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:58:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:57:51 -0400 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25430; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:57:50 -0400 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA20777; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:22:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:22:14 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510030222.TAA20777@netcom15.netcom.com> To: lrj@hepth.cornell.edu, phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Barnett sounded pretty slimy when I talked to them on the phone. I don't think I'd buy anything from them by mail. But if I go there in person and check out the machine and make sure nothing is missing before buying, hopefully that covers most of the possibilities. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 23:07:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25620; Mon, 2 Oct 95 23:07:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26435; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:07:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:05:35 -0400 Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26212; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:05:32 -0400 Received: from cessna.oes.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0szxfZ-0001ZUC; Mon, 2 Oct 95 20:05 PDT Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA08578; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:07:17 +0800 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:07:17 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9510030307.AA08578@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Unsubscribe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Please delete my name from the mail group -- thank you very much. Len Jacobson From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 00:51:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04283; Tue, 3 Oct 95 00:51:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06266; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:50:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:47:17 -0400 Received: from mik.uky.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06054; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:47:14 -0400 Received: from nx55.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA28316; Tue, 3 Oct 95 00:47:10 -0400 From: rodney d slone Message-Id: <9510030447.AA28316@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx55.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA18554; Tue, 3 Oct 95 00:47:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:47:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Lew Jansen wrote: >> A 755C on clearance for $3200 is not very interesting. >> Barnett Computers in NYC was selling new 755CE 8/540's >> on clearance for $2999. I don't know if they have any left though. > I'm not sure I'd trust Barnett's though; when I spoke with them once while >inquiring about a machine they were very condescending to the point of being They treated me like I was a childish little boy that did not know much about computers. I am thouroughly convinced that I know loads more then he does and I wont waste our time going into any details. >rude. I've exchanged email with a fellow who ordered a machine from them that >was supposed to have a 2400bps PCMCIA modem thrown in; he never got it, and Are you talking about me? I ordered a TP 360CSE from them and they were to throw in a PCMCIA modem. I figured it would be at least a 9600bps, so I did not get the exact specs. He did not send a modem. So I gave him a call and some how convinced him that it was in his best interast to him to send me the modem. I still at this time thought I would get a decent modem, turned out that he sent a 2400bps. I never called him back and complained, it was my fault for being ignorant. However, he is not someone to deal with in my opinion. He told me in the beginning that I could have the machine for $2400. I agreed. He said that I could pay cod. He wanted my credit card number to verify something he said. I said no problem and gave it to him. He attempted to charge it to my credit card that day, twice he keyed in the numbers. He tried to key in OVER $2500 as well. I know this because the fraud division of the bank where my credit card was issued called and told me that I should not try to charge over my credit limit. I explained to them and they understood. So the next day he called me and told me nothing about the credit card but what he called about was that he would not ship the order until i faxed him a copy of a money order made out to him in the ammount of exactly $2500. He said the extra $100 was for shipping and handling. He was nuts. I was nuts too and agreed to pay $2450. So I got the money order and faxed him a copy to show he would get his money and he finally sent it. Then I had the modem trouble I mentioned. >they've effectively told him to f*ck off. I've seen more than one report of >bait-and-switch tactics used by Barnett's, including someone who saw a >newspaper ad that was a great deal, went there that day and they were "out" >and not issuing rainchecks. When he pressed the issue, they basically told >him he'd have to be stupid to think he was going to get that machine for that >price. > Whether these reports are true or not, I can't say. Try posting to the >newsgroup comp.sys.laptops and ask for people's impressions. I'm sure you'll >hear more negative comments than positive; there are better places to spend >your money. It is a good place to spend your money if you can force him to stick up to his word. The best thing to do is to tape your conversation with him. Watch out though, he will ruin you if he can. It is possible that the only reason that he finally ALMOST satisfied me was that the credit card bank could have come down on him and he got scared. -- Rodney Daryl Slone | "Grounds are pretty common." - me Electrical Engineering Senior | Nail here [] for a new monitor. University of Kentucky / 94.3% of all statistics are 87% worthless. e-mail: rdslon01@mik.uky.edu | Xerox never comes up with anything original. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 06:29:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24205; Tue, 3 Oct 95 06:29:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08374; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 06:28:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 06:24:18 -0400 Received: from chsun.eunet.ch by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08027; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 06:24:10 -0400 Received: from ubszh.UUCP by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.10/1.34) id LAA17410; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:23:46 +0100 Received: from stm537.ubszh.net.ch by ubszh.net.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA00743; Tue, 3 Oct 95 11:21:51 +0100 Received: from stm555 by stm537.ubszh.net.ch (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA09572; Tue, 3 Oct 95 11:22:44 +0100 Message-Id: <9510031022.AA09572@stm537.ubszh.net.ch> Received: by stm555 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA09141; Tue, 3 Oct 95 11:22:43 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Tim Vetter Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 11:22:42 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Filter for European telephone toll pulses Reply-To: vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.CH Problem: Some European phonelines, particularly in the German-speaking countries, send "toll pulses" intended to trigger increments of a billing counter found on some telephone sets. Unfortunately, these pulses consist of high-power (~10V RMS), high-frequency (~14kHz) tones that tend to cause dropped connections with modems that don't have the appropriate filtering on the front end (ie most modems sold in North America). Solution: Attach a lowpass filter between the modem and the telephone circuit. Below is a schematic for a simple low-pass filter using about $2 worth of parts that should do the trick. Caveats: 1. It is illegal to connect unapproved electronics to most European phone lines. Potential fines range up to over $5,000 in some jurisdictions, although enforcement is thin. 2. I offer no guarantee of the fitness of this design, although it has worked well with my GVC 14.4 PCMCIA in both Germany and Switzerland. Use it at your own risk. 3. I have noticed slight degradation of voice quality with this filter on some lines, although this is to be expected in such a simple passive design. 4. Newer classes of DSP modems (like the MWave) may have the necessary filtering built into their firmware for country-specific operation, although I have not been able to confirm this. 100 Ohm 100 Ohm ____ ____ La -------+---|____|----+----|____|---+------ a2 | | | | | | | 100nF | 220nF | 100nF ===== ===== ===== | | | | | | +-------------O-------------+ | | | | - | | | | | |47 Ohm | | | | - | | | | | Lb -------+-------------+-------------------- b2 o means no physical connection, a cross over + means physical connection La/Lb in-circuit, from line a2/b2 out-circuit, to telephone/modem Mounting ideas: I soldered the parts onto a small (1cm x 2cm) bit of perf-board and mounted the whole thing inside a normal modular phone jack box (like the kind you have on your wall), with two simple leads on the output side for attaching to a local-style phone plug or direct into the terminal box. Serious road warriors could probably squeeze the thing into an even smaller housing, say putting it inline in a modular male-female adaptor that they would want to carry anyway. ****************************************************** Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) ------------------------------------------------------ Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland ****************************************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 08:19:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00119; Tue, 3 Oct 95 08:19:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14123; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:19:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:17:01 -0400 Received: from dorite1.iquest.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13637; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:16:59 -0400 Received: from ts01-ind-2.iquest.net by dorite1.iquest.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #16) id m0t06H5-00033vC; Tue, 3 Oct 95 07:16 EST Received: by ts01-ind-2.iquest.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9160.0F7DCAA0@ts01-ind-2.iquest.net>; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:15:46 -0500 Message-Id: <01BA9160.0F7DCAA0@ts01-ind-2.iquest.net> From: "Michael P. Mahoney" To: "'Thinkpad Group'" Subject: Introduction Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:15:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My name is Mike Mahoney and I'm in Indpls, In. I have a 755CX 16mg of Ram, SVGA monitor and a 540HD using windows 95. I have the doc coming with another hard drive and a CD player. I am converting from a Powerbook 280C, and so far I love the machine. Thanks Mike Mahoney From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 09:34:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07510; Tue, 3 Oct 95 09:34:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21550; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:34:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:31:42 -0400 Received: from shrsys.hslc.org by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21213; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:31:40 -0400 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.1 AXP) id 88; Tue, 03 Oct 1995 09:30:43 EST Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 09:30:43 EST From: "Dennis J. Gormley" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Cc: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <009974FB.600DF894.88@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Introduction . . . Greetings all; I always get a little uncomfortable with this, but it seems to be the custom on this list, so here goes: My name is Dennis Gormley. I work in Philadelphia for the Health Sciences Libraries Consortium (HSLC). We are an internet provider, mainly to the library community in Philadelphia. Over the summer, we decided to outfit our training lab with ThinkPads, as we also do a fair amount of on-site training. We settled on the TP755CE. They have 8MB RAM and 340MB hard drives (at least, I thought they were 340MB; after last week's discussion, I'll have to get out my slide rule and look again!) The major applications for most of them is ProComm Plus for Windows 2.1, Trumpet Winsock 2.04b, and NetScape in various versions. One has Windows 94 loaded - for that, we used the MicroSoft Dialup networking instead of Trumpet Winsock. We hope to have Win'95 loaded on all of them, mainly as a matter of support for our users; we've already had plenty of calls about Win'95 from our users. We've downloaded the MWave 2.0 drivers from Compuserve and loaded them on the TP that has Win'95 loaded. There seems to be no problems with modem operations, although the sound still sounds like it's being run through a distortion device. In my spare(?) time, I perform folk and traditional Irish music several times a month. I also avidly follow the Philadelphia Eagles in their fight to maintain mediocrity. Thanks! \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 (my work .sig) Dennis Gormley #### GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG (-O-O-) Ashland, NJ, USA ( ======)===@=====@=== ####### // // -------// // "On the Internet, nobody gets the last word!" ___________ // ------------/ (My personal .sig) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 09:36:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07825; Tue, 3 Oct 95 09:36:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21756; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:36:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:35:39 -0400 Received: from shrsys.hslc.org by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21645; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:35:33 -0400 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.1 AXP) id 140; Tue, 03 Oct 1995 09:34:54 EST Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 09:34:54 EST From: "Dennis J. Gormley" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Cc: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <009974FB.F5CD5208.140@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Updates for IBMAV for TP755CE Is there a place to get periodic updates for IBMAV? One of our TP755s was infected this week; I ran IBMAV, both from windows and from DOS, with marginal results. Files were displayed as being suspect, with no indication as to how to disinfect them, other than a suggestion to delete them. I had to download McAfee ViruScan to find out they were infected by the JUNKIE virus, and to get the disk disinfected. However, I already have a license for IBMAV; I'm loath to commit funds to duplicate the functions of software we alreay hold license for. Thanks for considering this matter! \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 09:57:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08569; Tue, 3 Oct 95 09:57:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23969; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:56:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:56:00 -0400 Received: from hpserv0.cs.uit.no by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23809; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:55:56 -0400 Received: from haralds.cs.uit.no by hpserv0.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/Task/HJ-5) id AA015708551; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:55:52 +0100 Received: by haralds.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/HJ/Task-5) id AA210688550; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:55:50 +0100 From: harald@staff.cs.uit.no (Harald Skotnes) Message-Id: <199510031355.AA210688550@haralds.cs.uit.no> Subject: Win95 on IBM TP720C To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:55:50 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23GIJ-4] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi. Does anybody know if Win95 will run on a TP720C ? -- //// Harald Skotnes // Email: harald@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Dept. of Computer Science // Phone: +47 77 64 41 16 // // University of Tromsoe // Fax: +47 77 64 40 54 /// / N-9037 TROMSOE NORWAY // Like it or not, it's One World //// From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 13:17:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21386; Tue, 3 Oct 95 13:17:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15413; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:15:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:09:27 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14790; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:09:25 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA32569; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:05:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9510031705.AA32569@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:05:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Can someone else check this out before I spend the time calling IBM about it? I have Win95 and the MWave 2.0 drivers on my Thinkpad 755cx. I have sounds associated with a couple system events, one of which is emptying the recycle bin. (see ftp://www.process.com/ftp/pub/win95/toilet.zip) If I empty the recycle bin *while* connected over the MWave modem the desktop crashes (and comes back). This isn't a fatal problem, but is a bit of an annoyance. Most everything works fine otherwise. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 14:11:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25095; Tue, 3 Oct 95 14:11:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19707; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:10:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:09:13 -0400 Received: from houws001.shl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19504; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:09:12 -0400 Received: from houmg001.shl.com by houws001.shl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.8) id AA17410; Tue, 3 Oct 95 13:13:04 CDT Received: by houmg001.shl.com with Microsoft Mail id <30719937@houmg001.shl.com>; Tue, 03 Oct 95 13:12:39 PDT From: NELSON Tim To: "'tp750@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Win95 on IBM TP720C Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 10:48:00 PDT Message-Id: <30719937@houmg001.shl.com> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I installed Win95 on a TP720C as a test, since we have lots of 750s and a couple of 720s. yes, Win95 works on the TP720C, but you end up using lots of 16 bit drivers. The PCMCIA on a 720 is by Stingray, and is not supported by Win-95, so you must continue to use the 16 bit drivers you are using right now. Microsoft's Knowledge Base has a report on this for more detail. You need to keep the VESA.SYS driver in your CONFIG.SYS to get 256 colors. This is the same issue as older 750s. I removed it and could only get 16 color VGA. For some reason win-95 is using a 16 bit driver (in MS-DOS compatability mode) for my disk access as well. I have no explaination. -------------------- Tim Nelson Chief Scientist, R&D SHL Systemhouse tnelson@shl.com --------------------- ---------- From: owner-tp750[SMTP:owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 1995 2:55 PM To: tp750 Subject: Win95 on IBM TP720C Hi. Does anybody know if Win95 will run on a TP720C ? -- //// Harald Skotnes // Email: harald@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Dept. of Computer Science // Phone: +47 77 64 41 16 // // University of Tromsoe // Fax: +47 77 64 40 54 /// / N-9037 TROMSOE NORWAY // Like it or not, it's One World //// From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 20:05:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22142; Tue, 3 Oct 95 20:05:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11674; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:05:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:01:49 -0400 Received: from maple.enet.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11360; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:01:47 -0400 Received: from .qrz.com (slip1.qrz.com [199.245.125.40]) by maple.enet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07177 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:02:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 16:59:22 PDT From: steve gross Subject: unsubscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. 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Gross Pilot B737 America West Airlines From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 21:01:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25292; Tue, 3 Oct 95 21:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15258; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:58:55 -0400 Received: from dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15048; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:58:49 -0400 Received: from [144.118.247.228] (newtower1-027.resnet.drexel.edu [144.118.247.228]) by dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17360 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:57:07 -0400 X-Sender: st94m8dn@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:18:26 -0500 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: st94m8dn@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Mark Bell) Subject: unsubscribe Mark Bell * 800 College Drive #104 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 * 6093274029 * From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 22:36:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03495; Tue, 3 Oct 95 22:36:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21689; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:35:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:33:32 -0400 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21524; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:33:30 -0400 From: Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06377 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:33:29 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 3 Oct 95 21:33 CDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 21:32:29 -0600 Subject: Unsubscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Please unsubscribe me from the thinkpad mailing list. John From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 10:48:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19400; Wed, 4 Oct 95 10:48:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03034; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:47:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:42:34 -0400 Received: from bonjour.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02444; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:42:26 -0400 Received: by bonjour.cc.columbia.edu id AA27823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:42:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: Panasonic PowerDrive2 LF-1000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've seen an ad recently about this Optical Disk / CD Drive, for $899. Does anyone have one of these things up and running? I have a few questions before blowing the month's budget :) For example, 1) does it have appropriate drivers for Win3.1, OS/2, Win95? 2) can it read 3.5" 128MB optical disks, such as those used on PLI's Infinity Optical drives? Also, what's the best "value-for-money" SCSI PCMCIA card out there? Thanks for your comments, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 11:04:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20199; Wed, 4 Oct 95 11:04:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04964; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:04:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:03:40 -0400 Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04897; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:03:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:03:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199510041503.LAA04897@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from mba3.cba.uiuc.edu ([128.174.133.66]) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 evaluation license) with SMTP id AAA421 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:03:06 -0500 X-Sender: schou@mba.cba.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Sean Chou Subject: Re: analog hookup through digital line At 03:50 PM 10/2/95 -0400, you wrote: >... I think the features sound pretty much like the Konnex box. Does the >Konnex box require batteries or AC adapter? The Konnex has a portable version which does require batteries. But it also has a desktop version which I presume uses an AC adapter. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu Illinois MBA Web Page From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 16:43:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15865; Wed, 4 Oct 95 16:43:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14021; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:41:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:34:05 -0400 Received: from fw1.cummins.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12917; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:34:00 -0400 Received: by fw1.cummins.com; id QAA27344; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:29:59 -0400 Received: from unknown(160.95.120.3) by fw1.cummins.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma027339; Wed, 4 Oct 95 16:29:48 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.cummins.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20116; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:32:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9510042032.AA20116@gatekeeper.cummins.com> Received: from borg.cel.cummins.com by bubba.cel.cummins.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-Domain/OS) id AA01336; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:10:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:10:33 -0500 From: "Julie A. Strietelmeier" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 17:34:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20779; Wed, 4 Oct 95 17:34:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21036; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:34:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:32:13 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20683; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:32:10 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id OAA12742; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:31:58 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9266.7B474DE0@leejim.peak.org>; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:34:15 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA9266.7B474DE0@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "'Lew Jansen'" Cc: "'Thinkpad Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:27:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lew, I also have a 755CX/Mwave2/Win95 and have not experienced the problem = you describe. The sound I have associated with the Recycle Bin comes = from one of the themes in the Microsoft Plus Pack, rather than the = toilet.zip package. Also, I have 24MB RAM if that makes a difference. = I *have* noticed that with Mwave 2.0 (as opposed to 1.10), Win95 = SLIP/PPP connections do not terminate correctly - when I push the = Disconnect button, several tasks that show up in the task list stop = responding, including the Mwave Discriminator. I end up having to shut = down and reboot to get a stable system again. This was never a problem = with Mwave 1.10 and I haven't changed any other system configuration = items since. While I'm thinking about SLIP/PPP, does anyone on the list = besides me use both? I have two service providers, one supports only = PPP, the other only CSLIP. In order to switch back and forth between = them, I've been going through the Internet Setup Wizard, which requires = me to set up all my IP info *every* time I run it. Is there a way to = save a snapshot of a Dial-up Networking configuration and later restore = it without having to type in all the information? =20 ---------- From: Lew Jansen[SMTP:lrj@hepth.cornell.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 1995 6:05 AM To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? Can someone else check this out before I spend the time calling IBM = about it? I have Win95 and the MWave 2.0 drivers on my Thinkpad 755cx. I have = sounds associated with a couple system events, one of which is emptying the = recycle bin. (see ftp://www.process.com/ftp/pub/win95/toilet.zip) If I empty the recycle bin *while* connected over the MWave modem the desktop crashes (and comes back). This isn't a fatal problem, but is a = bit of an annoyance. Most everything works fine otherwise. --=20 Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics = Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY = 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 18:45:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25740; Wed, 4 Oct 95 18:45:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28402; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:45:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:42:54 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28233; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:42:51 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA05773; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:38:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9510042238.AA05773@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? To: leejim@peak.org (Jim Lee) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BA9266.7B474DE0@leejim.peak.org> from "Jim Lee" at Oct 3, 95 11:27:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Gary Hong wrote: > Also, I have 24MB RAM if that makes a difference. Same here, so it's not a RAM problem then. > I *have* noticed that with Mwave 2.0 (as opposed to 1.10) > SLIP/PPP connections do not terminate correctly Interesting -- my disconnect works fine, so long as no sounds are done during the connect. Maybe sometime I'll give IBM a call about it; I don't use it enough right now for it to really matter much. > In order to switch back and forth between [PPP and cSLIP], > I've been going through the Internet Setup Wizard, which requires > me to set up all my IP info *every* time I run it. Is there a way to > save a snapshot of a Dial-up Networking configuration and later restore > it without having to type in all the information? Have you tried making two connections in ControlPanel->DialupNetworking? It looks like you can set up one for your PPP provider, and then set up the other for your cSLIP provider. Change the ServerType under each "connection"'s Properties button. I just use one provider, so I don't know for sure if this will actually work. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 20:14:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04118; Wed, 4 Oct 95 20:14:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03551; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:13:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:11:12 -0400 Received: from fw1.cummins.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03081; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:11:10 -0400 Received: by fw1.cummins.com; id UAA29391; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:07:01 -0400 Received: from unknown(160.95.120.3) by fw1.cummins.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma029386; Wed, 4 Oct 95 20:06:37 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.cummins.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA22827; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:07:48 -0500 Message-Id: <9510050007.AA22827@gatekeeper.cummins.com> Received: from borg.cel.cummins.com by bubba.cel.cummins.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-Domain/OS) id AA03012; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:53:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:53:22 -0500 From: "Julie A. Strietelmeier" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 Thinkpads Is this list also for model 701 Think Pads? If not, is there such a list or FAQ? ______________________________________________________________________________ Julie Strietelmeier The Fret Board BBS julie@cel.cummins.com (812)342-6564 Columbus, IN A Guitar / Music BBS ______________________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 20:52:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07915; Wed, 4 Oct 95 20:52:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07392; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:52:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:50:35 -0400 Received: from globalvision.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07122; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:50:32 -0400 Received: by globalvision.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17814; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:40:18 +0500 Message-Id: <9510050040.AA17814@ globalvision.net> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:50:06 EST Reply-To: jloyless@globalvision.net Subject: TP760 Drives I just saw a note on the CompuServe ThinkPad forum that indicated the drives for the new TP were different from the ones used in the TP75x series and that the TP75x ones wouldn't work in the TP760. Has anyone else heard anything like this? Jane From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 23:16:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15959; Wed, 4 Oct 95 23:16:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20616; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:16:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:13:28 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20234; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:13:24 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id UAA19193; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:13:13 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9296.28A71C20@leejim.peak.org>; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:15:33 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA9296.28A71C20@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "'Lew Jansen'" Cc: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:13:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, I tried setting up two connections in the Dial-Up Networking = folder. That certainly seems to be the intuitive way to do it. = However, you can play with the server type setting all you want there, = but Win95 reverts back to the settings used the last time you ran = Internet Setup Wizard. That's brain dead. The 'Add New Connection' = feature in Dial-Up Networking is useless unless you have one and only = one connection. Anyway, we're getting a bit off topic for this list, so = I'll grumble and groan to myself for awhile until I figure it out - I = refuse to call Microsoft and their 900-numbers for support... ---------- From: Lew Jansen[SMTP:lrj@hepth.cornell.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 1995 11:39 AM To: Jim Lee Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? [stuff deleted] > In order to switch back and forth between [PPP and cSLIP], > I've been going through the Internet Setup Wizard, which requires > me to set up all my IP info *every* time I run it. Is there a way to > save a snapshot of a Dial-up Networking configuration and later = restore > it without having to type in all the information? Have you tried making two connections in = ControlPanel->DialupNetworking? It looks like you can set up one for your PPP provider, and then set up the = other for your cSLIP provider. Change the ServerType under each = "connection"'s Properties button. I just use one provider, so I don't know for sure if = this will actually work. --=20 Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics = Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY = 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 23:32:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17485; Wed, 4 Oct 95 23:32:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22225; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:32:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:31:52 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22131; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:31:50 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id UAA20827 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:31:44 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9298.959898C0@leejim.peak.org>; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:32:54 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA9298.959898C0@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "'Thinkpad Mailing List'" Subject: Want a TP701? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:25:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, At the moment I have two TP701's (aka butterfly). I'm willing to part = with one of them in trade for a digital camera and/or 35mm camera = equipment and/or darkroom equipment and/or scanning equipment (that's a = lot of and/or's :). As you probably guessed, I'm getting into digital = photography, and I've already spent my budget (and then some) on = Thinkpads. So, I'm willing to give up one of them - both are about 3 = months old with 540MB HD. One is active matrix, the other passive. One = has 8MB RAM, the other 24MB. Lots of accessories available, too. If = you're interested, please reply privately via email so we don't clutter = the list. Thanks... leejim@peak.org (Jim Lee) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 02:05:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27973; Thu, 5 Oct 95 02:05:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02906; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:04:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:02:55 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02670; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:02:51 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA26490; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:02:40 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: TP760 Drives Date: 5 Oct 1995 06:02:40 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <44vse0$ppk@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) I am also a CIS Thinkpad forum frequent visitor. I ordered a 760CD, got the part #s. The HDDs are different. Actually, I don't think ANYthing is the same, ie battery, CD-ROM, HDD etc. So don't stock up any 75x series stuff for the 760. I don't think they fit. Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 08:49:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22909; Thu, 5 Oct 95 08:49:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14161; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:49:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:45:56 -0400 Received: from cyber1.servtech.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13994; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:45:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199510051245.IAA13994@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: IDE connectors? To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Randall King" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Someone had mentioned a week or so ago that some company sells connectors that allow you to use a laptop drive in your desktop machine. Does anyone have a company name/part number for this? I have an extra drive that I could use, and this sounds great! Even a company name (or URL) will do for a start. Thanks in advance... Randall From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 10:09:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27954; Thu, 5 Oct 95 10:09:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22656; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:09:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:07:34 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22542; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:07:32 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA7326; Thu, 05 Oct 95 10:01:48 -0700 Message-Id: <9510051701.AA7326@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 1102F4525CBCFC778525624C004C9FEA; Thu, 5 Oct 95 10:01:47 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 5 Oct 95 10:02:29 EDT Subject: mwave 2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain i just upgraded a 755cd to v.2.0 of mwave. upgraded dos, upgraded windows, set com2 to 57600, in that order. aol only gets 21600, but that could be the line. lotus notes and the chameleon dialer only get 19200 and 14400, respectively. notes & chameleon are using generic hayes-compatable init strings which worked fine at 14400. is there an updated modem string for the 28800 mwave? thanks in advance. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 12:16:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08931; Thu, 5 Oct 95 12:16:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07589; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:15:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:11:03 -0400 Received: from inibara.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07124; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:10:58 -0400 Received: by inibara.cc.columbia.edu id AA14777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:10:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:10:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@inibara.cc.columbia.edu To: Roleigh Martin Cc: TP list Subject: Re: Panasonic PowerDrive2 LF-1000 In-Reply-To: <9510041445.AA13545@muskie.uhc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Roleigh Martin wrote: > Where did you see this ad? Is it considered a recording CD ROM? NY Times, a couple of days ago. And I was trying to find out whether people out here had any experience with it. Considering that it is a 4X CD-ROM drive AND an optical drive all in one (according to the specs on the ad, the rewritable optical disk has a 650MB capacity), I think the price is not that expensive... Well, sort of, but convenience also has a price, right? My main question is whether it could perhaps read the optical disks that we're now using in the lab (I doubt it, but one can always dream); there shouldn't be too much problem with drivers... For those of us still without a CD-ROM and a good backup system at home, this seemed like the perfect alternative... I tried to call the company (RCsometing, 212-949-6935 - no 800 number that I know of), but the call got misdirected and I haven't had the time to try again. Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 15:52:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23625; Thu, 5 Oct 95 15:52:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27061; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:51:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:48:36 -0400 Received: from onyx.interactive.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26374; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:48:28 -0400 Received: from amethyst.interactive.net (daver@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by onyx.interactive.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA22819; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:50:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:50:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199510051950.PAA22819@onyx.interactive.net> X-Sender: daver@interactive.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: harald@staff.cs.uit.no (Harald Skotnes) From: "David W. Young" Subject: Re: Win95 on IBM TP720C Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 02:55 PM 10/3/95 +0100, you wrote: >Does anybody know if Win95 will run on a TP720C ? Yeah, it runs. I run 95 on a TP720C with 16M RAM, but it has definite problems. There aren't any 32-bit video drivers (so you have to use the Win3.1 versions with the DOS TSR), and the PCMCIA socket set isn't supported, so you need to use the DOS mode drivers. Other than that, things seem to work. Dave -- David W. Young, Internet Systems Consultant Tel: 201-798-5217 Pager: 917-313-9319 Internet: dwy@ACE.NET From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 17:02:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29688; Thu, 5 Oct 95 17:02:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06524; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:01:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:57:59 -0400 Received: from alpha1.tesent.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05762; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:57:57 -0400 Received: from notesrv1.tesent.com by alpha1.tesent.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Sep95-0149PM) id AA12845; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:58:19 -0400 Received: by notesrv1 (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA1055; Thu, 05 Oct 95 16:57:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9510052057.AA1055@notesrv1> Received: from Tessera with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 249057BD2DBF664E8525624C00727B98; Thu, 5 Oct 95 16:57:50 To: dwy Cc: tp750 From: Paul Ferguson/Tessera Date: 5 Oct 95 16:52:42 Subject: Re: Win95 on IBM TP720C Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain We are running Win95 on about a dozen 701CS's and had many bizarre problems until we got the BIOS upgrades off of IBM's web server. The last upgrade we pulled down had a date stamp of 9-15-95 so it looks like it is a work in progress. The BIOS upgrade worked wonders in terms of addressing some mighty strange behavior we had been seeing though... pkf From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 17:08:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29923; Thu, 5 Oct 95 17:08:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07235; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:07:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:07:04 -0400 Received: from david.albany.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07101; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:07:00 -0400 From: Received: from cnsvax.albany.edu by cnsvax.albany.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01HW372Z4BV48Y5SGB@cnsvax.albany.edu> for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 05 Oct 1995 17:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 17:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Win95 in a TP 355 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HW372Z6I1E8Y5SGB@cnsvax.albany.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Has anyone installed Win95 in a TP 355? Are there any problems? Thanks! jbela@cnsvax.albany.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 6 13:45:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24306; Fri, 6 Oct 95 13:45:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29805; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:44:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:37:15 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29248; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:37:13 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA10641; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:37:06 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: 760 is finally here! Date: 6 Oct 1995 17:37:06 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <453pg2$acf@cocoa.brown.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) People, take a look at IBM's new Thinpad 760. Quite a machine. It's under IBM's homepage. WSL From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 11:41:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17567; Sat, 7 Oct 95 11:41:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22407; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:41:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:34:53 -0400 Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21781; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:34:50 -0400 Received: from englf (ts900-2025.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.109]) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA14968 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:34:39 +0800 Message-Id: <199510071534.XAA14968@merlion.singnet.com.sg> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 23:39:11 EDT From: englf@singnet.com.sg (Felix Eng) Reply-To: englf@singnet.com.sg (Felix Eng) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: 's PMMail v1.1 Subject: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad hello all, does anyone have any success with 3c589 and a think pad ? My customer has a thinkpad but it is not recognised under Warp Connect. He has tried the 3Com ftp site without success. Any hints or tips will be appreciated. felix eng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 13:24:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23204; Sat, 7 Oct 95 13:24:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28481; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:24:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:22:47 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28351; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:22:45 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09910; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:22:38 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad Date: 7 Oct 1995 17:22:37 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <456d0t$9l1@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) I think the problem is with OS/2 I have my 3c589 running fine in my TP... Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 13:42:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23626; Sat, 7 Oct 95 13:42:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29394; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:42:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:40:55 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29320; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:40:53 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA12586; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:46:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: TP750 Subject: Re: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad In-Reply-To: <456d0t$9l1@cocoa.brown.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Oct 1995, Wai-Shan Lam wrote: > I think the problem is with OS/2 I have my 3c589 running fine > in my TP... Ditto, under DOS/Windows with the EZPLAY stuff loaded. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 14:34:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27073; Sat, 7 Oct 95 14:34:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02467; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:34:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:32:48 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02303; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:32:44 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id LAA21343 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:32:32 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA94A8.EE756EC0@leejim.peak.org>; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:34:58 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA94A8.EE756EC0@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "TP750@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:33:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Felix Eng[SMTP:englf@singnet.com.sg] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 1995 8:39 PM To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad hello all, does anyone have any success with 3c589 and a think pad ? My customer has a thinkpad but it is not recognised under Warp Connect. He has tried the 3Com ftp site without success. Any hints or tips will be appreciated. felix eng I use the 3c589 with no problems under both Linux and Win95. Haven't had OS/2 loaded in months, though... ---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 15:13:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28984; Sat, 7 Oct 95 15:13:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05822; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:13:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:12:34 -0400 Received: from chsun.eunet.ch by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05752; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:12:31 -0400 Received: from ubszh.UUCP by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.10/1.34) id UAA01441; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 20:12:15 +0100 Received: from stm537.ubszh.net.ch by ubszh.net.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA00758; Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:09:46 +0100 Received: from stm555 by stm537.ubszh.net.ch (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA22819; Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:10:41 +0100 Message-Id: <9510071910.AA22819@stm537.ubszh.net.ch> Received: by stm555 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA16973; Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:10:40 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Tim Vetter Date: Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:10:39 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Question to 3COM 3c589 owners Reply-To: vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.CH References: <199510071534.XAA14968@merlion.singnet.com.sg> Sorry, this is not a ThinkPad question, but there seem to be a lot of you with these cards out there ... apologies to anyone on the list who's thin-skinned about bandwidth. I recently took delivery of a 3COM combo card, and was initially pleased to find they'd redesigned the card/cable attachment since I got my first card over a year ago. The new design has clips on the side of the connector (sort of like you have on SCSI plugs), whereas the old one was just held in by friction. The problem with the original design was the plug would pull out if you snagged the ethernet cable, which I managed to do all the time. In that respect the newer design is an obvious improvement (you *can't* pull the plug accidentally), but I find that the connection is extremely flaky. So much so that I can't work with the TP on my lap anymore, because small tensions on the ethernet cable cause intermittent breaks in the connection, and sometimes even *reboots* (Win95 on a TP750 mono). Do I have a lame card, or is anyone else with the newer clip-style connector experiencing the same? (ie, maybe it's a design problem). Any war stories on returning defective merchandise to 3COM? ****************************************************** Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) ------------------------------------------------------ Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland ****************************************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 15:46:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00184; Sat, 7 Oct 95 15:46:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08396; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:45:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:44:03 -0400 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08112; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:44:00 -0400 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA21783; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:42:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:42:52 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510071942.MAA21783@netcom4.netcom.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: DIY disk upgrades for 760? I confirmed with IBM Direct that the hard disk cartridges for the 760 are incompatible with the 755 :-(. It's probably too early for anyone to know if it's possible to replace the drive inside the 760 cartridge the way it's possible with the 755 (I mean using an OEM drive), but this seems like a question worth keeping in mind, and if anyone does find out the answer please notify the list. PS, some pricing info: before the announcement, some mail order place (I forget which) was quoting the following for Oct. delivery: Model TFT size disk price $ 760C 12.1" 720MB 6329 760C 10.4" 720 5649 760CD 12.1" 1.2GB 7719 Yesterday, IBM Direct quoted me the following: 760C 12.1" 720 6049 760CD 12.1" 1.2G 7449 760C 10.4" 720 not available yet The similar price ratios for the 12.1" models suggests that the 10.4" 760C will be around $5427 from IBM Direct (found using the ratios for the sums of prices of the other 2 models). Since mail order discount tends to beat IBM Direct by 5% or so, this suggests a street price of around $5156 for 760 8/720 with 10.4" svga, compared to the current price of around $5K for a 755CX/810 with a similar screen. This is quite attractive since the 760 sounds like a nicer machine all around. The one scary thing is the prospect of getting clobbered for disk and memory upgrades (the latter at least til an aftermarket develops). From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 15:51:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00217; Sat, 7 Oct 95 15:51:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08979; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:50:39 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08860; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:50:37 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id MAA26015 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:50:31 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA94B3.D1FBB1E0@leejim.peak.org>; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:52:54 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA94B3.D1FBB1E0@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "'Thinkpad Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Question to 3COM 3c589 owners Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:51:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Tim Vetter[SMTP:vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 1995 12:10 PM To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Question to 3COM 3c589 owners >Sorry, this is not a ThinkPad question, but there seem to be a lot =20 >of you with these cards out there ... apologies to anyone on the =20 >list who's thin-skinned about bandwidth. > >I recently took delivery of a 3COM combo card, and was initially =20 >pleased to find they'd redesigned the card/cable attachment since I =20 >got my first card over a year ago. The new design has clips on the =20 >side of the connector (sort of like you have on SCSI plugs), whereas =20 >the old one was just held in by friction. The problem with the =20 >original design was the plug would pull out if you snagged the =20 >ethernet cable, which I managed to do all the time. > >In that respect the newer design is an obvious improvement (you =20 >*can't* pull the plug accidentally), but I find that the connection =20 >is extremely flaky. So much so that I can't work with the TP on my =20 >lap anymore, because small tensions on the ethernet cable cause =20 >intermittent breaks in the connection, and sometimes even *reboots* =20 >(Win95 on a TP750 mono). > >Do I have a lame card, or is anyone else with the newer clip-style =20 >connector experiencing the same? (ie, maybe it's a design problem). =20 >Any war stories on returning defective merchandise to 3COM? Sounds like a defective card. Perhaps flexing the cable also flexes the = PC board inside the card causing it to short against the case. Or = pehaps they didn't trim the leads on the connector flush enough so that = they short when the cable is flexed. I have one of the new connectors = with the ears and have not experienced a single bit of flakiness - I = snag the cable with my foot all the time...---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 18:54:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14070; Sat, 7 Oct 95 18:54:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24162; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:54:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:51:39 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24061; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:51:37 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA20041; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:47:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9510072247.AA20041@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 7, 95 01:46:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Don Whiteside wrote: > On 7 Oct 1995, Wai-Shan Lam wrote: > > > I think the problem is with OS/2 I have my 3c589 running fine > > in my TP... > > Ditto, under DOS/Windows with the EZPLAY stuff loaded. And Ditto for Win95. Works like a charm. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 19:55:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18190; Sat, 7 Oct 95 19:55:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26488; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:55:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:53:27 -0400 Received: from maple.enet.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26408; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:53:25 -0400 Received: from .qrz.com (slip1.qrz.com [199.245.125.40]) by maple.enet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA27091; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 16:53:53 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 95 16:50:14 PDT From: steve gross Subject: unsubscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list. I think you are sending me mail at sgross@libre.com and it is being forwarded to me at sgross@enet.net so please remove me from the list. thanks -steve Stephen C. Gross Pilot B737 America West Airlines From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 23:34:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00239; Sat, 7 Oct 95 23:34:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13645; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:34:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:32:04 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13570; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:32:02 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00193; Sat, 7 Oct 95 23:31:36 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0060; Sat, 07 Oct 95 23:31:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 23:31:09 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510080331.AA0060@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: englf@singnet.com.sg Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 07 Oct 95 23:39:11 EDT from englf@singnet.com.sg (Felix Eng) Subject: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad does anyone have any success with 3c589 and a think pad ? My customer has a thinkpad but it is not recognised under Warp Connect. He has tried the 3Com ftp site without success. For some reason the current drivers for this card are stored in a strange place: ftp://ftp.3com.com/pub/adapters/patches_fixes/3c589n.exe Use this file to create the adapter diskette. When you install Connect, tell it you have such a diskette, and when it asks for the location, tell it to use "a:\ndis\os2\". This can be done after the fact if Connect is already installed, but I don't remember exactly how -- see the on-line documentation. I don't know why Connect doesn't contain this driver. It seems pretty silly as the 3c589 is a very popular card and works well in all of the operating systems I've tried. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 06:43:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24841; Mon, 9 Oct 95 06:43:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03906; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 06:41:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 06:28:33 -0400 Received: from ns.dknet.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02981; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 06:27:46 -0400 Received: from xanadu.centrum.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA11786 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:22:43 +0100 Received: from technician by xanadu.centrum.dk (8.6.11/ISnet/11-02-92); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:22:07 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:22:07 GMT Message-Id: <199510091122.LAA20661@xanadu.centrum.dk> X-Sender: suresh.tp.x50@centrum.dk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: suresh.tp.x50@centrum.dk (Suresh R. Karnikar) X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 subscribe end From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 09:43:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05183; Mon, 9 Oct 95 09:43:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05383; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:43:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:31:18 -0400 Received: from vmgate by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03118; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:30:01 -0400 Received: from smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk by vmgate (5.0/25-eef) id AA26272; Mon, 9 Oct 95 14:25:32 BST Received: by smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <30793204@smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk>; Mon, 09 Oct 95 14:30:28 GMT From: "D. Gwyn Jones" To: tp750 Subject: Installing Warp and NT Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 14:28:00 GMT Message-Id: <30793204@smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 We're trying install Warp and NT on a 755CD with 810MB HD and we have a number of problems. 1) Warp Connect's dual boot installation fails due to fdisk failure, but we have managed to get this working previously, so something has broken. Is there any way of low-level formatting ThinkPad drives? 2) NT has severe difficulty accessing the drive successfully during installation. I remember something posted on this group in the past regarding 32-bit NT access on the TP drives > 540MB. Can someone remind me of the details? Could it be NT's 32 bit disk access that subsequently is affecting Warp's fdisk during installation? (see 1) 3) NT installation also has difficilty with the Floppy disk drive reporting "wrong fromat/density" errors. I also seem to remember a post about the TP Floppy drives supporting 2.88MB disk formatting. Can someone remind me how this different formats are controlled? Many thanks, Gwyn. dgj@mfltd.co.uk From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 12:12:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11801; Mon, 9 Oct 95 12:12:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19147; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:11:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:09:39 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18875; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:09:35 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA03618; Mon, 9 Oct 95 12:05:13 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510091205.ZM3616@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:05:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: WIN95: Help... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 I was very surprised as to the (relative) ease of installation of Win95 over an ethernet PCMCIA card on my TP750Cs. As soon as I figured out what i needed and got the Win95 driver for my card, everything was almost perfect... I did have to transmit data via SneakerNet (tm) between the two computers for one part of the installation, but I needed the exercise anyway :) Now, here's the problem: The Microsoft Internet explorer for some reason allows you to use c:\ as a directory for the cache (BAD IDEA) If you then decide to change that and in the process believe that you can erase only the cached files by using the "Clear Directory" command from within the viewer, Things go very bad... The program just decided to erase everything on my c:\ except for the swap file... I did "sys" the drive from my boot floppy, but I have lost all the other files. I looked at the startup files from the desktop, and managed to get to a prompt on my computer (by copying the atuoexec.bat and config.sys files) but 1) Windows won't start automatically and worst yet, 2) If I type "win" I get the logo screen, but then the system crashes after loading the Modem, and before loading the Netcard (It loads one of them) Is anyone out there using Win95 PCMCIA drivers? can you tell me what you have on the c:\ directoy? What about your autoexec.bat and config.sys files? I'd appreciate any help you can offer, since I'm stuck w/o a working system right now.... Thanks! Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 12:27:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12576; Mon, 9 Oct 95 12:27:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20537; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:26:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:26:01 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20287; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:25:11 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA03980; Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:24:38 +0100 Message-Id: <9510091624.AA03980@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:24:38 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 760 CD can take two hard disks Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk according to PCWeek, Oct 2, p41. Is there a way to install a second harddisk in the 755CX floppy drive slot? /ivo welch PS: Some insurer included some stuff on insurance for notebooks in my 755CX box. Anyone tried these? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 12:30:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12598; Mon, 9 Oct 95 12:30:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20717; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:29:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:29:06 -0400 Received: from BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20633; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:28:31 -0400 From: Received: from PC1-Message_Server by BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU with WordPerfect_Office; Mon, 09 Oct 1995 12:23:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 12:27:42 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 760C / CD: Voice-Over-Data, plus 28.8 Kbps Modem Upgrade -----Announcement Letter 195307----- IBM ThinkPad 760C and 760CD Featuring Voice-Over-Data, plus ThinkPad 755 28.8 Kbps Modem Upgrade Introduced Product Announcement 195-307 Announced on October 6, 1995 In Brief . . . IBM ThinkPad 760 Family Don't miss seeing the new 12.1-inch SVGA TFT display -- the largest screen available in this size notebook computer. Key Features o Pentium 90MHz or 120MHz microprocessor (2.9 V) with internal cache o Packed with power and function -- still a light-weight, compact notebook o Choice of 12.1 or 10.4 (measured diagonally) SVGA TFT display o New keyboard with automatic tilt function and palm-rest area o Large memory capacity (8MB to 40MB) o High-capacity, removable hard disk: 720MB* or 1.2GB (option to add second hard disk) o Media processor: Programmable Mwave DSP subsystem for audio, games, music; 28.8 Kbps data/fax modem; telephony (answering machine/speakerphone) o On the 760CD: Total Image Video with MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 HHR support; Integrated removable 5.0-inch CD-ROM drive (4X) o Choice of preinstalled SelectaSystem(TM) or Windows 95 operating system plus selected applications o HelpCenter(R) (800-772-2227) ---------------------------------------- Open the cover of the new ThinkPad(R) 760C or CD -- see the new, extra-large 12.1-inch (measured diagonally) SVGA TFT display and the new styling of the tilted keyboard with built-in palm rest -- and you will realize that you are experiencing IBM's new generation of ThinkPad notebooks. Add to that a fast Pentium** processor (up to 120MHz), large-capacity hard disk storage (up to 1.2GB*), media processor (Mwave(R) Digital Signal Processor (DSP)), dual Infrared (IR) transceivers, 64K color support, and highly functional ThinkPad UltraBay(TM) -- you have everything you need, and more, in a compact, light-weight notebook. These new color models of the ThinkPad family emphasize faster performance and advanced function. This function includes the integrated media processor (Mwave DSP) providing stereo audio support, .WAV and MIDI audio support, integrated (up to 28.8 Kbps) data/fax modem support, full-feature telephony support (speakerphone and telephone answering machine), and a slide volume control. The ThinkPad 28.8 Kbps modem is the new 2.0 version of Mwave and delivers significant improvements in usability, audio support, and speakerphone quality. Additional function also includes integrated IR for wireless data/file transfer. Consider the ThinkPad 760CD system solution if you need more advanced and integrated multimedia capability -- CD-ROM, audio, and video combined. The integrated removable CD-ROM drive (150/600 Kbs), Total Image Video with MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 Half Horizontal Resolution (HHR) support, stereo speakers, theater sound (MIDI Wave Table Audio), and other features make the ThinkPad 760CD far more than MPC-2 compliant, setting it apart from the rest of the ThinkPad family and much heavier and less integrated multimedia competitive systems. A 760C or 760CD system, combined with any one of the four IBM docking solutions can easily become your primary personal computer, providing an alternative to a desktop system unit. Also announced today: o Voice-over-data: The media processor (Mwave DSP) can be enhanced to provide concurrent voice-over-data communication via a single phone line. o ThinkPad 755 28.8 Kbps Modem Upgrade (Mwave 2.0): A program offered free from IBM allows selected ThinkPad 755s with Mwave DSP to be upgraded to the same function as the ThinkPad 760C/CD media processor. Single Unit Price Range: $5,349 to $7,449 Planned Availability Date 90MHz SelectaSystem(TM) models October 6, 1995 90MHz Windows+ 95 models October 27, 1995 Pentium 120MHz models(1) and 1.08GB HDD option November 30, 1995 Pentium 120MHz upgrade and kit(1) December 29, 1995 DESCRIPTION ThinkPad 760 Family at a Glance The ThinkPad 760C and 760CD advanced-function models bring you new, innovative technology, instant productivity with preinstalled software, and outstanding service and support. Key reasons to consider the ThinkPad 760C and 760CD include: o Intel Pentium 90MHz or 120MHz microprocessor (2.9 V) with internal cache o 12.1-inch (measured diagonally) SVGA (800 x 600) TFT display (has 35 percent more viewing area when compared to the 10.4-inch display) or o 10.4-inch (measured diagonally) SVGA TFT display on the 760C systems Both of these displays have 64K simultaneous color support. o New keyboard with automatic tilt function and palm rest area o Large memory capacity (8MB to 40MB) o High-capacity removable hard disks: 720MB and 1.2GB (available only on the 760CD) and a second hard disk can be installed in the ThinkPad UltraBay, making the maximum capacity 2.4GB (this requires the use of the Second HDD Adapter optional feature) o Local bus video o Media processor -- programmable Mwave DSP subsystem for audio, games, music; 28.8 Kbps data/fax modem; and telephony (answering machine/speakerphone) o Theater sound (MIDI Wave Table Audio) o Li-Ion battery standard; capability to install two for much longer battery operation o Built-in microphone and speaker o Slide volume control o Two IR transceivers o TrackPoint III o Full complement of ports for peripheral connections o 240-pin docking connector o Removable 1.44MB floppy diskette drive o Type III PCMCIA slot o Power management o Enhanced usability with the new ThinkPad feature utility program o On-screen electronic personalization o Choice of preinstalled operating systems: - SelectaSystem allowing you to choose between preinstalled operating systems: OS/2 Warp 3.0, IBM PC DOS 7, and Windows 3.11. Also included are selected software applications. When you use OS/2 Warp, you can run multiple DOS, Windows, and OS/2 applications at the same time without conflict. Plus, you can take advantage of the selected OS/2 BonusPak applications that come with OS/2 Warp, including IBM Works and an Internet access via the IBM Global Network. - Windows 95 with selected software applications The ThinkPad 760CD has the following additional features: o Port for the attachment of an external FDD (requires the previously announced FDD External Attachment Kit (66G3618) o MIDI/joystick o Total Image Video with MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 HHR support. This includes enhanced video and stereo speakers, video-in and video-out (NTSL/PAL), video capture, hardware video acceleration, and scaling. MPEG (Moving Pictures Experts Group) is an industry standard for digital video compression. MPEG supports full-screen video at 30 frames per second. The ThinkPad 760CD supports both MPEG-1 and the much better quality MPEG-2. o Integrated, removable 5.0-inch CD-ROM drive (4X) ThinkPad 760 Family Features LCD Display: Depending on the model, these systems come with a 12.1-inch or 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) TFT with SVGA (800 x 600) resolution. These are bright Active Matrix displays. The TFT display provides superior viewing capability and helps lessen the glare indoors. The 12.1-inch screen provides 35 percent more viewing area when compared to the 10.4-inch screen and is the largest available on this size notebook computer. Keyboard and TrackPoint III: The new keyboard has the familiar layout of a ThinkPad with a function key capability that allows you to quickly access system functions, such as power management control. The keyboard tilts to a comfortable angle for typing when the system is opened, and there is a palm rest area. If desired, you can adjust the keyboard to have no tilt. The keyboard lifts up allowing access to the FDD bay, HDD bay, and battery for quick upgrades or battery changes. The TrackPoint III is an enhanced TrackPoint(TM) II with improved non-slip TrackPoint cap and more accurate pointing capability through improved software. The "drag and drop" function of the click buttons is enhanced. You can lock and hold the buttons in without having to keep pushing on them. Processor: Depending on the model, these systems have a Pentium 90MHz or a Pentium 120MHz processor with an internal cache and floating-point processor providing exceptional performance. Memory: The ThinkPad 760 system is designed to use non-parity memory. The system comes standard with 8MB RAM, upgradeable to a total of 40MB using new 3.3 volt non-parity memory modules. This high-capacity memory can handle almost any application the mobile professional may have to execute. PCMCIA: The Type III slot can accommodate either two Type I, two Type II, or one Type III PC card. If additional PCMCIA cards are required, the optional ThinkPad PCMCIA cartridge can be placed in the ThinkPad 760 family UltraBay, providing an additional Type III slot. The ThinkPad UltraBay not only can accommodate the PCMCIA Cartridge option, but it can also house the optional 2.88MB diskette drive (FDD), an additional Li-Ion battery, or a second hard disk drive. IBM PC Card Director software is preinstalled and provides support for the latest PCMCIA standard, 2.1. This software enables many PCMCIA cards, allowing the user to simply plug in the card. PC Card Director with Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver: PC Card Director helps you get status and information on PCMCIA cards installed in the system. In addition, on OS/2 and on Microsoft** Windows, PC Card Director can register an application program for PCMCIA cards and execute them automatically. Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver enables supported PCMCIA cards by sensing them automatically. PCMCIA cards supported by Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver are listed in the Compatibility and Supported Products section. Storage: The customer-installable hard drive is 720MB or 1.2GB standard. The 1.2GB HDD is available only on the 760CD. The drive is easily removed by lifting up the keyboard. You can have multiple "systems" simply by installing a different hard drive. Systems can also be shared by users who have their own hard drive but no ThinkPad system unit. A 1.44MB FDD drive comes standard. The ThinkPad UltraBay, also standard with the system, is an intelligent bay that switches its pinout signals to allow the installation of an FDD, PCMCIA cartridge, second Li-Ion battery, or hard disk drive in what would normally be just the floppy diskette drive bay. The installation of a second hard file requires the ThinkPad Second HDD Adapter optional feature. The 760CD comes with a 5.0-inch CD-ROM, 4X-speed (150/600 Kps), in the ThinkPad UltraBay instead of the diskette drive. The FDD is shipped with the system. Media Processor (Mwave DSP): The Mwave MDSP2780 operates at up to 60 million operations per second for integrating audio, games, music, data/fax modem, and telephony into a DSP. Features and benefits include: o 44.1KHz MPC-2 16-bit audio with real-time compression o Simultaneous audio play and record o Digital audio mixing with up to eight open .WAV sources o General MIDI compatible, 32-voice wavetable synthesizer o Sound Blaster** support o Up to 28.8 Kbps data/fax modem o Full-featured telephone - Answering machine with variable speed message playback and voice compression - Hands-free, full-duplex speakerphone This features set can be enhanced simply by upgrading the DSP software. Voice-Over-Data with ThinkPad 760C/CD: The media processor (Mwave DSP) can be enhanced with the addition of the new Mwave Digital Simultaneous Voice/Data (DSV/D) software enhancement, which provides concurrent voice-over-data communication via a single phone line. This can increase productivity when used with remote communications and conferencing applications that can be purchased separately. This can be used with the already preinstalled Triton CoSessions Host program so the user can talk to the HelpCenter at the same time their system is being remotely diagnosed by a technician, resulting in better communications and faster problem solving. The Mwave DSV/D software enhancement can be obtained, at no charge from IBM, from the PC Company Bulletin Board Service (PCCBBS) at 919-517-0001 (toll call). Also, customers with access capability, can obtain it from the Internet at FTP.PC.IBM.COM and from the ThinkPad Forum on CompuServ. Call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227 if assistance is required. Audio: The audio capability on the system board (DSP) and the integrated microphone allow voice annotation and audio capability. The system is equipped with audio in/out jacks for stereo speakers, headphone, or external microphone. A separate slide volume control is located to the rear of the keyboard on the system. Video: The ThinkPad 760C system has the VESA local bus support with video acceleration, providing exceptional video performance. The 760CD also has enhanced video that supports video-in and video-out (NTSC/PAL), video capture, hardware video acceleration, and scaling. Total Image Video with MPEG-2 Half Horizontal Resolution (HHR): The 760CD system has support for MPEG-1 as well as MPEG-2 HHR video decoding for significantly improved video performance. Infrared (IR): The use of IR is greatly enhanced by the incorporation of Tranxit and Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro software on all models. This combination of Mind Path products on the 760C/CD allows the system to be controlled remotely(2), through the use of the wireless IR capability during presentations. It also enables the use of effects such as magnify, spotlight, and telestrator to be added to the LCD screen during presentations. (2) Requires the separate purchase of the Mind Path Remote Controller kit from Mind Path Technologies, Dallas, Texas. The system has IR transceivers in front and back for wireless file and data transfer and printing. The ThinkPad 760 family is designed for compliance with the Infrared Data Association (IrDA) IR data link specification Version 1.0. The system supports three modes of operation: o IBM mode (from 57.6 Kbps to 1.15 Mbps) o HP** mode (from 9600 bps to 115 Kbps) o Sharp** mode (9600 bps) Preinstalled software provides wireless file transfer, file synchronization, and clip board data transfer. With the infrared feature, data can be exchanged with the following systems by using the vendor software packages listed below: Systems Software Omnibook 300** LapLink Remote Access** HP 100LX/200LX** Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX** Sharp Wizard/Zaurus** PC Interface Software, 9000 Link for PCs OZ-990(W)** The ThinkPad 760 family is shipped with the IR Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro software. Special effects are performed by Presentation F/X Pro software preinstalled on the hard disk drive. It is possible to change the selection of effects and characteristics by using the setup screen of the Presentation F/X Pro software. At the time of shipment, mouse function is supported for DOS, Windows, and OS/2. Special effect by the Presentation F/X Pro is supported for Windows. The Presentation F/X Pro upgrade to OS/2 is presented by the Mind Path Technologies, Dallas, Texas. For more details, call 214-233-9296 for customer support sponsored by Mind Path Technologies. Other Features: The system has the full complement of ports (enhanced parallel port, SVGA, pointer-keyboard, serial). In addition, a 240-pin connector supports the four IBM docking solutions: o Dock I -- portable docking with a slot and bay o Dock II -- desktop docking with slots, bays, and PCMCIA slots o Port Replicator I -- cable manager with a Type III PCMCIA slot or Type II PCMCIA slots o Port Replicator II -- cable manager only The 760CD has additional ports: MIDI/joystick, video-in, video-out, and an FDD external attachment port. An RJ11 jack is also included, because the DSP provides data/fax modem capability with speeds up to 28.8 Kbps. The RJ11 jack is standard. ThinkPad 755 28.8 Kbps Modem Upgrade (Mwave 2.0) A program is introduced to allow current ThinkPad 755s with Mwave DSP (excluding the ThinkPad 755C, 755CS, and 755CX models without DSP) to upgrade to the same function as the ThinkPad 760C/CD media processor. This program is offered free from IBM (other charges may apply) for the next 90 days when downloaded from the IBM BBS at 919-517-0001 (toll call), from the Internet at FTP.PC.IBM.COM, and from the ThinkPad Forum on CompuServ. If diskettes are required, they can be requested for a nominal shipping and handling fee from 800-690-3882. This offer provides users with the improvements to usability, audio support, and speakerphone quality; but most importantly, it doubles the speed of the modem to 28.8 Kbps. The modem alone has an estimated value of $99. The upgrade will also provide voice-over-data communications capability, which can be used with Triton CoSessions Host for enhanced service and support from the HelpCenter or other conferencing/remote control applications (purchased separately), such as Intel Proshare and Procomm Plus. The voice-over-data function is obtained in the same manner as for the ThinkPad 760. PRODUCT POSITIONING The ThinkPad 760 is positioned as one of the highest full-function families of IBM's mobile portable systems. PUBLICATIONS The following publications and diskettes are available for separate purchase. To order, call IBM Software Manufacturing Solution (SMS) Hotline at 800-879-2755. The appropriate user's guide will be shipped with each system. Order Part Description Number Number IBM ThinkPad Technical Reference 760C/CD(3) S30H-2433 30H2433 IBM ThinkPad 760C User's Guide S30H-2428 30H2428 IBM ThinkPad 760CD User's Guide S30H-2429 30H2429 IBM ThinkPad 760C Diskettes Group S30H-2463 30H2463 IBM ThinkPad 760CD Diskettes Group S30H-2466 30H2466 IBM ThinkPad Mwave Diskettes Group S30H-2467 30H2467 Order Part Description Number Number IBM ThinkPad Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 IBM ThinkPad 760CD Specification Sheet G221-4445 (3) Available November 1995 The Technical Reference is for programmers, engineers, and others who want to understand the ThinkPad 760 family system unit in greater detail. The publication includes functional specifications, hardware specifications, and pinouts for peripheral connectors. Service Publications (Manuals and Diskettes) Order Part Description Number Number Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: ThinkPad Computers S82G-1502 30H2357 Hardware Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 The Hardware Maintenance Manual contains service and reference information for ThinkPad computers. The service section includes procedures for isolating problems to a FRU, related service procedures, and an illustrated parts catalog. The reference section includes safety information, product description, and general information about system functions. Publications may be ordered from an IBM Authorized Dealer, an IBM representative, or through the Technical Directory. A complete listing of ThinkPad and Personal Computer hardware publications is available by calling the Technical Directory at 800-IBM-PCTB (800-426-7282). TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment ThinkPad 760 Family: The Li-Ion battery is shipped as standard with these models. Approximate operation hours and charging hours are: Function Hours ThinkPad 760C -- 12.1-inch SVGA Power off/suspend charging 1.5 to 2.5 Charging during operation 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation range with one battery(4) 3.5 to 9.0 Battery operation range with two batteries(4) 7.0 to 18.0 ThinkPad 760C -- 10.4-inch SVGA Power off/suspend charging 1.5 to 2.5 Charging during operation 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation range with one battery(4) 3.8 to 10.0 Battery operation range with two batteries(4) 7.6 to 20.0 Function Hours ThinkPad 760CD Power off/suspend charging 1.5 to 2.5 Charging during operation 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation range with one battery(4) 3.1 to 9.0 Battery operation range with two batteries(4) 6.2 to 18.0 (4) The actual range may vary based on power management, applications used, frequency of keystrokes, options used, or system configuration. Note: The Li-Ion or NiMH batteries for the ThinkPad 755 family will not work in any ThinkPad 760C or 760CD system. Physical Specifications(5) ThinkPad 760C -- 12.1-inch SVGA o Width: 297.0 mm (11.7 in) o Depth: 210.0 mm (8.3 in) o Height: 48.7 mm (1.92 in) o Weight: 3.09 kg (6.81 lb) with Li-Ion battery pack ThinkPad 760C -- 10.4-inch SVGA o Width: 297.0 mm (11.7 in) o Depth: 210.0 mm (8.3 in) o Height: 44.2 mm (1.74 in) o Weight: 2.78 kg (6.12 lb) with Li-Ion battery pack ThinkPad 760CD o Width: 297.0 mm (11.7 in) o Depth: 210.0 mm (8.3 in) o Height: 54.3 mm (2.14 in) o Weight: 3.39 kg (7.47 lb) with Li-Ion battery pack Accessories o Li-Ion battery pack: 400 g (0.88 lb) o FDD: 213 g (0.47 lb) (5) Actual specifications may vary based on features, vendor components, or manufacturing process. Electrical Specifications o Universal AC adapter: 100-240 V AC, 2.0 A, 50/60Hz o Li-Ion battery pack: 10.8 V, 2.8 AH, 710 mAH/cell, 12 cell/pack Heat Dissipation o 136 Btu/hr maximum Air Temperature for Shipping and Storage o -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) Acoustic Noise Level: Class 3D (office environment) o Sound pressure level (operator position): 40 dB (operating) o Sound power level: 5.1 Bels (operating), 4.8 Bels (idling) Note: The noise emission level stated is the declared (upper limit) sound power level, in Bels, for a random sample of machines, typically configured, and operating in idle mode; for example, powered on, but no DASD read/write or other I/O activity. All measurements made in accordance with ANSI S12.10, and reported in conformance with ISO 9296. Operating Environment Air temperature: 0 to 8,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs) to 35(degs)C (41(degs) to 95(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 35(degs)C (50(degs) to 95(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs) to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 29.4(degs)C (85(degs)F) Air temperature: 8,000 to 10,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs) to 31.3(degs)C (41(degs) to 88(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 31.3(degs)C (50(degs) to 88(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs) to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs) C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 25.7(degs)C (78(degs)F) Note: The maximum temperature when system on is linearly decreased from 8,000 ft to 10,000 ft. Relative Humidity o Operating: 8% to 95% (without diskette) o Operating: 8% to 80% (with diskette inside unit) o Storage/shipment: 5% to 95% Altitude o 10,000 ft maximum (3,048 m) Agency Approvals o System Unit Approvals - FCC Class-B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 FCC ID is ANO695NKZFB1 (760C/CD) - VCCI CLASS 2 (0 db) - CISPR22B - UL-1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 950 - SEMKO - NOM - DEMKO - UK-PTT - JATE - SASO - OVE Software Requirements: The following operating systems support the ThinkPad 760 family. Refer to the Limitations section for support issues unique to each operating system. o IBM PC DOS 7, J7.0/V o IBM OS/2 Warp Version 3 o IBM OS/2 Warp, Japanese Version 3.0 o MS-DOS 6.22 o Microsoft Windows 95 o Microsoft Windows 3.11/J3.1 o Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11 Systems software supported: o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Entry Version 4.0(6) o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Advanced Version 4.0(6) o IBM Communications Manager/2 Version 1.11 o IBM Database/2 OS/2 Version 1.2 (6) Only the client function portion was tested. Compatibility and Supported Products Refer to the 9546 Sales Manual pages, or contact your IBM representative, for a complete list of supported features and options and compatible IBM and vendor software. The Sales Manual is updated periodically. The ThinkPad 760 family of systems is designed to be compatible with the PS/2(R). The ThinkPad 760 family systems contain BIOS/Easy Setup/Diagnostics in their Flash ROM and also provide a graphical user interface to set up the system and power management features for OS/2 and Windows users. BIOS provides the hardware instructions and interfaces designed to support the standard features of the ThinkPad 760 family systems and to maintain compatibility with many software programs currently operating under DOS and OS/2 on the Personal Computer XT(TM), Personal Computer AT(R), and the PS/2 family. Limitations o Enabling I/R on the host system during a co-sessions host session is not supported. o Voice-over-data (VOD) is only functional at 14,400 bps. If VOD is enabled, the Mwave modem is automatically set to V.32 bis (14,400 bps). Additionally, a V.42 or V.42/V.42 bis connection is required for successful VOD. MNP or asynchronous connections will not support VOD. If VOD fails to operate, redial until you are able to make the required connection. You may have to make several attempts based on the status of your phone equipment. o Currently, the VOD program is only supported in the native Windows, and native DOS environments. It is not supported in OS/2 (WIN-OS/2(TM)). o Receiving a fax from a ThinkPad 755CE/CSE/CD/CX may intermittently fail when using the FaxWorks Voice application. This may be corrected by recording a new outgoing greeting in the FaxWorks application. This situation will not occur if the ThinkPad 755 (sending system) is upgraded to Mwave 2.0. o In OS/2 Warp or Windows 95, the call center will not function correctly when playing MPEG. o Mwave DSP related resources are not available after those devices are disabled when using Windows 95. o When using MPEG, the CD-i Interactive is not supported. o When using Windows 95, CD-i cannot be played with the CD-ROM driver supplied with Windows 95. o Use boot manager when booting OS/2 Warp from a secondary drive. o When using OS/2 Warp, some CD-i (very few) cannot be played. o In OS/2 Warp, using a MIDI application concurrently with the modem or with digital voice applications requires that the MIDI application be opened first. Once the modem call is completed or the digital video application is closed, MIDI play will be resumed. If after completion of the modem and digital video tasks, the MIDI play resumes with lesser quality or lower volume, it may be necessary to rewind the MIDI file or to close and reopen the MIDI application to restore full MIDI quality. o In OS/2 Warp, the Mwave modem must be opened by selecting the modem icon. The OS/2 modem is not started automatically. o When a CD-i format CD is in the CD-ROM drive the system may not start correctly when using OS/2 Warp. A fix will be provided under OS/2 Warp APAR PJ19669. o When a second HDD is in the ThinkPad UltraBay, it cannot be formatted by the OS/2 Warp FDISK program after being assigned as the logical drive. A fix will be provided under OS/2 Warp APAR PJ19672. o To improve performance when playing MPEG using OS/2 Warp, 12MB of system memory is recommended. o To play video-in under OS/2 Warp, 12MB of system memory is required. o When using Microsoft Windows 3.11 or Windows 95, the chapter control related functions of the video CD player may not work with some Karaoke CDs. o The Hardware Video (HV) Expansion function is not supported when 64K color is selected at 640 x 480 resolution in Windows. o A power.exe is required when using Mwave in a DOS environment so that there will not be sound loss after suspend/resume during games. o A suspend/resume operation during a modem application in the Windows DOS box may cause the application to hang. The modem application should be closed before entering a suspend. o A suspend/resume operation during audio recording may result in unexpected results. Audio recordings should be stopped before entering suspend. o When using Windows 95 or OS/2 Warp Version 3, a suspend/resume operation during AVI file, MPEG file, video-CD, CD-i playing, and other video-in feature operation may cause an audio/video synchronous problem or the application to hang. The application should be closed before entering a suspend. o Modem/fax/telephony features do not support PBX. o MPEG-2 HHR PAL format clips cannot be played back regardless of operating system. o In OS/2 Warp, video-in recorder cannot be used with the following applications concurrently, as it may cause the applications to hang. - Digital video 3 (MPEG playback) - Video CD-i player (Video CD playback) - Digital video player (H/W acceler ========================= This message is too long to be retrieved completely in the item view. The message was truncated. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 13:17:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15981; Mon, 9 Oct 95 13:17:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24980; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:16:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:13:31 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24596; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:13:29 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA03929; Mon, 9 Oct 95 13:09:08 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510091309.ZM3927@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:09:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Arturo J. Morales" "WIN95: Help..." (Oct 9, 12:05pm) References: <9510091205.ZM3616@aaRS.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WIN95: Help... (Update) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 On Oct 9, 12:05pm, Arturo J. Morales wrote: > Subject: WIN95: Help... > I was very surprised as to the (relative) ease of installation of Win95 > over an ethernet PCMCIA card on my TP750Cs. As soon as I figured out > what i needed and got the Win95 driver for my card, everything was almost > perfect... I did have to transmit data via SneakerNet (tm) between the > two computers for one part of the installation, but I needed the exercise > anyway :) > > Now, here's the problem: > The Microsoft Internet explorer for some reason allows you to use c:\ > as a directory for the cache (BAD IDEA) If you then decide to change that > and in the process believe that you can erase only the cached files by using > the "Clear Directory" command from within the viewer, Things go very bad... > > The program just decided to erase everything on my c:\ except for the swap > file... I did "sys" the drive from my boot floppy, but I have lost all > the other files. I looked at the startup files from the desktop, and > managed to get to a prompt on my computer (by copying the atuoexec.bat > and config.sys files) but 1) Windows won't start automatically and > worst yet, 2) If I type "win" I get the logo screen, but then the system > crashes after loading the Modem, and before loading the Netcard (It loads > one of them) > > Is anyone out there using Win95 PCMCIA drivers? can you tell me what you have > on the c:\ directoy? What about your autoexec.bat and config.sys files? > > I'd appreciate any help you can offer, since I'm stuck w/o a working system > right now.... I tried to eject the network card and and reboot, but i get the same message: Something is missing related to VFAT. I looked into the resource kit to try and figure out what this means, but no luck... Thanks again in advance... Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 14:31:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21671; Mon, 9 Oct 95 14:31:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01358; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:26:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:24:00 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01080; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:23:59 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA04198; Mon, 9 Oct 95 14:19:38 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510091419.ZM4196@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:19:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: WIN95: Help... (Fixed!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 I finally got it to work... It seems that msdos.sys was one of the files erased (even thought it was supposed to be hidden). So I copied it back from the desktop and it worked...! Thanks for your help! Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 17:27:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06424; Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:27:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19378; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:23:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:20:22 -0400 Received: from asylum.apocalypse.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18965; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:20:13 -0400 Received: from lang.znet.com (lang.znet.com [204.157.172.142]) by asylum.apocalypse.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA15031 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:19:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199510092119.RAA15031@asylum.apocalypse.org> From: lang@apocalypse.org (Lang Zerner) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: PC insurance (was: Re: TP 760 CD can take two hard disks) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 21:20:22 GMT Reply-To: lang@apocalypse.org References: <9510091624.AA03980@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99b.112 On Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:24:38 +0100, Ivo Welch wrote: >Some insurer included some stuff on insurance for notebooks in my 755CX >box. Anyone tried these? I don't know what info you got, but in my opinion the best choice for computer insurance is Safeware. They don't do any complicated calculations, just simply replace your covered hardware and software up to a certain price cap (which cap determines your premium). Their claims department is cooperative and claims turnaround is fast. Because I have little tolerance for flames, I will not post their contact info, but they are listed as "Safeware the Insurance Company" with toll-free directory assistance (800-555-1212). I am unaffiliated with Safeware except as a customer. Be seeing you... --Lang From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 18:27:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10020; Mon, 9 Oct 95 18:27:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25386; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:24:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:23:26 -0400 Received: from panix3.panix.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25238; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:23:24 -0400 Received: (from macd@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.7/8.7/+PanixU1.2) id SAA24991; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:23:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael MacDonald To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Just purchased 760cd Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just purchased a 760cd via PC Direct. I paid ~$8800, since I also ordered a 16mb upgrade. The sales rep said that I should expect delivery in a week and a half, which is stunning considering the time I waited for the 755cd (4 months!). I'll post a full review once it arrives. Can't wait!! :-) Michael MacDonald macd@panix.com mmacdon1@tinker.hofstra.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 19:06:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12706; Mon, 9 Oct 95 19:06:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27824; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:02:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:01:34 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27731; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:01:32 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16567; Mon, 9 Oct 95 19:01:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 19:01:40 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510092301.AA16567@nile.gnat.com> To: macd@panix.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd are the memory cards for the 760 the same as for the 755? how about the batteries? I guess we know for sure the hard disks are different right? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 21:27:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22810; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:27:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06853; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:26:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:25:34 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06742; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:25:33 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA17737; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:25:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:25:36 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510100125.AA17737@nile.gnat.com> To: macd@panix.com Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu does anyone know if 32M cards are available for the 760, or do you have to use 16M DIMS? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 21:30:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22841; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:30:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06624; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:24:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:23:51 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06358; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:23:49 -0400 From: Received: from quartet.ho.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA06932; Mon, 9 Oct 95 10:34:51 EDT Received: from bali (bali.ho.att.com) by quartet.ho.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1.1 SunOS) id AA01629; Mon, 9 Oct 95 10:35:59 EDT Received: by bali (4.1/EMS-1.1.1 SunOS) id AA00298; Mon, 9 Oct 95 10:35:59 EDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 10:35:59 EDT Message-Id: <9510091435.AA00298@bali> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Intro and Questions Cc: rth1@quartet.ho.att.com Hi all, I have a TP 755C, 20MB RAM, 540 MB disk, running OS/2 Warp and Windows 3.1. Applications are pretty generic, MS Word, Lotus Notes, Lotus Word Pro, Framemaker 4.0. Here's my question: I'm looking to prepare my TP for Windows'95 and went to the IBM PCCO web page to download new setup and bios diskettes. I did not see instructions on how to turn these files into the disk images I need. I'm hoping these files don't require the Diskette Factory application that shipped with my TP a year and a half ago..... Could someone share the procedure for creating the diskettes and updating the boios on these machines?? Many thanks, Bob Hawley AT&T Bell Labs Technical Publications r.t.hawley@att.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 21:31:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22846; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:31:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06278; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:21:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:24 -0400 Received: from panix3.panix.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06007; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:17 -0400 Received: (from macd@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.7/8.7/+PanixU1.2) id VAA04310; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael MacDonald To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd In-Reply-To: <9510092301.AA16567@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The memory cards are NOT the same, unfortunately...which means that I can't use the 16mb DRAM card in my 755cd. I believe the hard disks are different too. According to the sales rep at IBM, hundreds of 760CDs have been shipped already. Michael MacDonald macd@panix.com mmacdon1@tinker.hofstra.edu On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > are the memory cards for the 760 the same as for the 755? > how about the batteries? > > I guess we know for sure the hard disks are different right? > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 21:38:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23334; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:38:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07703; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:35:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:34:50 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07514; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:34:46 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA17878; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:35:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:35:00 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510100135.AA17878@nile.gnat.com> To: macd@panix.com Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu it is really annoying how IBM changes so much on each new release, it sure keeps the 3rd party people from coming in effectively, but perhaps it is done exactly for that reason? The new memory is the first time this has changed in a while Can someone who has a 760 tell us what the memory looks like. I have really been waiting for someone to come up with a 64meg card for the 755, I geuss the wait will be longer for the 760, oh well! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 22:07:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24291; Mon, 9 Oct 95 22:07:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09796; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:04:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:03:52 -0400 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09589; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:03:49 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA01119; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:30:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199510100130.SAA01119@netcom.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 15:16:28 EDT From: msmith@netcom.com (Martin P. Smith) Reply-To: msmith@netcom.com (Martin P. Smith) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: PC insurance (was: Re: TP 760 CD can take two hard dis On Mon, 09 Oct 1995 21:20:22 GMT you wrote: >On Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:24:38 +0100, Ivo Welch wrote: >>Some insurer included some stuff on insurance for notebooks in my 755CX >>box. Anyone tried these? > >I don't know what info you got, but in my opinion the best choice for computer >insurance is Safeware. They don't do any complicated calculations, just simply >replace your covered hardware and software up to a certain price cap (which cap I concur with safeware. I am very happy with them. A word of caution MOST home insurance does NOT cover a portable machine when used for work or outside the home. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------- Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.com 1988 gun deaths: Canada 5, Great Britain 8, USA over 8500 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 00:58:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07379; Tue, 10 Oct 95 00:58:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21422; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:57:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:54:51 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21205; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:54:49 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA154970 for < tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:54:45 GMT Message-Id: <199510100454.EAA154970@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip168-200.sy.au.ibm.net(129.37.168.200) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaaFIDmb; Tue Oct 10 04:54:35 1995 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 14:52:56 EDT From: jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) Reply-To: jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: TP 760 Memory Hello all I note in the announcement letter on the new 760s that the systems use "new 3.3 volt non-parity memory modules". For the technologically challenged, what does this mean? Specifically, will DRAM cards for the 750 series work in the new 760s. As I own a 32mb card, I am worried I will be stuck with an expensive lemon. Regards Jack Crawford jgcrawf@ibm.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 01:08:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07764; Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:08:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21736; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:03:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:02:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21666; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:02:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA20574; Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:02:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:02:39 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510100502.AA20574@nile.gnat.com> To: jgcrawf@ibm.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory Jack, it seems pretty clear that the TP760 memory is NOT the same as he 755 memory, and also the very expensive Lithium-Ion batteries also are not the same. GRRRR! sure makes it more expensive to take the step up! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 01:54:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09564; Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:54:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24076; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:53:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:52:00 -0400 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23999; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:51:58 -0400 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA03285; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:45:52 -0700 From: okuyama@netcom.com (Darin Okuyama) Message-Id: <199510100545.WAA03285@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9510100502.AA20574@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 10, 95 01:02:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Jack, it seems pretty clear that the TP760 memory is NOT the same as he > 755 memory, and also the very expensive Lithium-Ion batteries also are > not the same. GRRRR! sure makes it more expensive to take the step up! > Well, in this case I think we can forgive IBM, they are changing over from the 5 volt memories to the 3.3 volt memories (thus lo- wering the power requirements for the system). But, I wonder why the batteries changed? Also, is this list going to change its name? IBM did have the opportunity to call this new laptop a ThinkPad 800, but didn't; so, perhaps we can think of the 760 as a 759.9 :). ---Darin Okuyama From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 02:17:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11270; Tue, 10 Oct 95 02:17:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25167; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:16:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:15:42 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25013; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:15:40 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id CAA02737; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:15:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199510100615.CAA02737@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: whether to change the list name/scope Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:15:33 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > Also, is this list going to change its name? IBM did have the > opportunity to call this new laptop a ThinkPad 800, but didn't; > so, perhaps we can think of the 760 as a 759.9 :). For a long time now the list has been limited to machines that were similar to the 750. IBM's new laptops aren't all that similar to the old 750s, and yet a lot of the same people are interested in them (many of those who used to want the top-of-the-line laptops still do... it's just that the top has moved.) A lot of people complain about the volume on this list. One way to cut down on volume is to keep the topic of discussion narrow. This has some drawbacks too, because a few topics are of interest to several groups. Anyway, if you want to express an opinion about whether or not to include 760s, 701s, etc. on this list, or to set up a separate list for the new machines, etc., please send it to me personally at moore@cs.utk.edu. I'll post a summary in a few days. Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 02:55:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13056; Tue, 10 Oct 95 02:55:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27898; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:55:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:54:16 -0400 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27818; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:54:14 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA03028; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 23:49:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 23:49:13 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510100649.XAA03028@netcom16.netcom.com> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, okuyama@netcom.com Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu I thought the 755's also used 3.3 volt memory, and the CX is definitely non-parity. The battery probably changed because the physical layout changed (plus they like to sell everyone new stuff). But the 760's have a removable floppy and you can put a 2nd battery into the floppy bay, so you can hot swap or automatically switch over. Also, is this list going to change its name? IBM did have the opportunity to call this new laptop a ThinkPad 800, but didn't; so, perhaps we can think of the 760 as a 759.9 :). The Thinkpad 800 series exists, and uses the PowerPC processor. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 03:03:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13247; Tue, 10 Oct 95 03:03:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28647; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:07 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28568; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:06 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA00271; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory In-Reply-To: <199510100649.XAA03028@netcom16.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Paul Rubin wrote: > I thought the 755's also used 3.3 volt memory, and the CX > is definitely non-parity. The battery probably changed > because the physical layout changed (plus they like to sell > everyone new stuff). I wonder if this means IBM will have a fire sale of TP75x accessories like they did with the TP700/720. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 04:27:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18195; Tue, 10 Oct 95 04:27:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05435; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:26:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:24:54 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05092; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:24:52 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA134147 for < tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:24:44 GMT Message-Id: <199510100824.IAA134147@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip168-228.sy.au.ibm.net(129.37.168.228) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smajvMDmb; Tue Oct 10 08:24:35 1995 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 18:09:31 EDT From: jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) Reply-To: jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory On Mon, 9 Oct 1995 Paul Rubin wrote: >I thought the 755's also used 3.3 volt memory, and the CX >is definitely non-parity. The battery probably changed >because the physical layout changed (plus they like to sell >everyone new stuff). But the 760's have a removable floppy >and you can put a 2nd battery into the floppy bay, so you >can hot swap or automatically switch over. Yes, that's behind my original question about 760/75x memory compatibility. IBM explicitly says in its product announcement that the batteries for the TP 755 will not work in any 760 system. However, I could not find a similar comment about memory compatibility. They simply say they are using "new" memory modules, whatever that means. Could some kind soul test this out for certain i.e. will TP75x DRAM cards be recognised in a TP760 machine? Thanks in advance Jack From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 06:57:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27285; Tue, 10 Oct 95 06:57:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20105; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:56:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:54:33 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19925; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:54:31 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA22806; Tue, 10 Oct 95 06:54:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 06:54:35 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510101054.AA22806@nile.gnat.com> To: moore@cs.utk.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope let's include 760's in the list, I find the volume still quite managable, although at this stage I would prefer a newsgroup. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 08:14:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00296; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:14:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23533; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:11:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:09:59 -0400 Received: from mailer.together.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23304; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:09:57 -0400 Received: from sequoia.together.net (sequoia.together.net [204.97.120.25]) by mailer.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA07295 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:10:00 -0400 Received: from vtr10.together.net (vtr10.together.net [204.97.121.10]) by sequoia.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA03301 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:12:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199510101212.IAA03301@sequoia.together.net> From: byellin@together.net (Bob Yellin) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Intro and Questions Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:37 GMT References: <9510091435.AA00298@bali> In-Reply-To: <9510091435.AA00298@bali> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99c/32.126 I did the same thing. Just copy each file onto an high density floppy (1.4MB) diskette, (you may not even have to do that but I did it so that I could store them and use them in the future), expand the files in a temporary directory and read the text file instructions. You don't need the Diskette Factory. If you need help let me know. >Here's my question: I'm looking to prepare my TP for Windows'95 and went to the >IBM PCCO web page to download new setup and bios diskettes. I did not see instructions on how to turn these files into the disk images I need. I'm hoping these files don't require the Diskette Factory application that shipped with my TP a year and a half ago..... >Could someone share the procedure for creating the diskettes and updating the boios on these machines?? >Bob Hawley >AT&T Bell Labs Technical Publications >r.t.hawley@att.com Bob Yellin byellin@together.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 08:14:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00355; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:14:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23529; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:11:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:10:55 -0400 Received: from wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23408; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:10:47 -0400 Received: from qmgate (qmgate.maplesoft.on.ca) by wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca with SMTP id AA26423 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:10:31 -0400 Message-Id: Date: 10 Oct 1995 08:10:25 -0800 From: "Edmond Bourne" Subject: Re: whether to change the l To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Mail*Link(r) SMTP RE> whether to change the list name/scope Is there a digest of this group? I'm on another mailing list and instead of receiveing each message as its sent, they are instead sent in groups of 10 or so, as they queue up. It makes going through my mailbox easier... cheers ed From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 08:50:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06186; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:50:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26453; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:49:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:48:51 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26368; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:48:50 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28637; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:48:32 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510101248.IAA28637@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9510101054.AA22806@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 10, 95 06:54:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text yeah...a newsgroup! who wants to take care of the work? :-))) > > let's include 760's in the list, I find the volume still quite > managable, although at this stage I would prefer a newsgroup. > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 09:33:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08354; Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:33:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00948; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:32:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:30:35 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00635; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:30:32 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0645; Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:24:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9510101624.AA0645@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 1D488784B1B3BBB3852562510048B4E1; Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:24:44 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 10 Oct 95 9:23:07 EDT Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain I think the decision should be made by the architecture of the machine and the level of interest. The 75X's and 360's are in the same list because, architecturally, they're very similar. I don't know of a peripheral device for one that doesn't work in the other. So far, I've been skipping all the 760 postings, so I don't know if the same can be said for them. The pertinent issue is whether or not the preponderance of tech tips/Q&A/advice given for 75X's and 360's applies to 760's. The other issue is volume. I'm a big fan of the delete key, but if the machines don't logically belong in the same list, and there's enough volume of chatter about the 760's to support a separate list, then it should be separated. There's no reason why anyone can't subscribe to both if they so desire. The volume appears to be enough for a separate list. I don't know enough about the 760 to say whether it logically fits this list. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 09:55:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09475; Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:55:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03219; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:54:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:51:25 -0400 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02823; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:51:23 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id GAA11006 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:51:20 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199510101351.GAA11006@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 0613 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:17:40 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, rth1@quartet.ho.att.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:17:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Intro and Questions Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 > > Here's my question: I'm looking to prepare my TP for Windows'95 and went to the > IBM PCCO web page to download new setup and bios diskettes. I did not see instructions on how to t t > ry application that shipped with my TP a year and a half ago..... > The files for the 755C are xxtpsxxx.exe. For instance the BIOS disk is sytps141.exe. The only exception is the utility disk (uttp1310.exe). From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 10:09:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10345; Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:09:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04868; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:08:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:07:13 -0400 Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04736; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:07:10 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by alster.port.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17813; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:12:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:11:56 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope In-Reply-To: <9510101054.AA22806@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > let's include 760's in the list, I find the volume still quite > managable, although at this stage I would prefer a newsgroup. NO!! accccck!! no newsgroups! http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 10:28:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11434; Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:28:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06591; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:25:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:25:22 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06452; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:25:20 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA24628; Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:25:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:25:27 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510101425.AA24628@nile.gnat.com> To: alster@interport.net Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu "NO!! accccck!! no newsgroups!" some people do have environments which make reading news hard, and some people, odd to say, prefer mail lists (they must be people with a lot of time on their hands, or they are lonely for email :-) anyway, the proper solution is a newsgroup which is interconnected with a mailing list, this is quite standard to arrange. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 10:36:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12101; Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:36:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07486; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:32:58 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07235; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:32:56 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id HAA22943; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 07:32:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199510101432.HAA22943@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 07:35:57 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory On Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:13 -0400 (EDT) you wrote: >On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Paul Rubin wrote: >>I wonder if this means IBM will have a fire sale of TP75x accessories >like they did with the TP700/720. Now that's a valuable thought. If anyone becomes aware of cheap 16MB memory for the 755Cs, please post it here on the list. ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 ----------------------------- AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail | "If you run with wolves, howl like them." Old English proverb From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 11:14:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14196; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:14:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11118; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:11:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:09:55 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10720; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:09:52 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id LAA03908; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:09:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199510101509.LAA03908@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: alster@interport.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:25:27 EDT." <9510101425.AA24628@nile.gnat.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:09:36 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > anyway, the proper solution is a newsgroup which is interconnected with > a mailing list, this is quite standard to arrange. This works well if you want to accomodate people with different interfaces to the list; it doesn't work so well if you're concerned about signal to noise ratio. Keith (so far replies are about evenly split between narrow and wide scope) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 11:26:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15959; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:26:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12541; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:24:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:23:40 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12445; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:23:39 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA12478; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:28:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: "Martin P. Smith" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PC insurance (was: Re: TP 760 CD can take two hard dis In-Reply-To: <199510100130.SAA01119@netcom.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Martin P. Smith wrote: > A word of caution MOST home insurance does NOT cover a portable > machine when used for work or outside the home. Yes - State Farm told me that the criteria is "is it used or intended for use primarily inside the home?" While in my case I could probably contend that the primary use is for inside the home, I suspect that with any reasonable amount of outlay they'd argue the issue, given that the _nature_ of a laptop is to be portable. Similarly, I discovered that my car insurance won't cover something that isn't "permanently attached to the car." Meaning that a mounted car phone (which is infinitly more recognizable as there to be stolen) would be covered while my handheld unit isn't! Sheesh! So my laptop wouldn't be covered either. But as a final note, most insurance companies will sell you a rider policy for your transportable electronics. Their quote on my cellular phone worked out to the same as the "no questions asked" $4 a month my carrier wanted, so I passed on that. I have yet to ask them about my laptop (living dangerously for the moment...) but I'd suspect it would be similar to Safeware's price. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 11:37:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17481; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:37:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13330; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:31:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:31:19 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13238; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:31:11 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA25611; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:31:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:31:13 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510101531.AA25611@nile.gnat.com> To: moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope Cc: alster@interport.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu I do not understand Keith's comment: This works well if you want to accomodate people with different interfaces to the list; it doesn't work so well if you're concerned about signal to noise ratio. what is your concern? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 11:51:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18487; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:51:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14882; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:48:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:16 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14728; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:13 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA06221 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:09 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id LAA04411; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope In-Reply-To: <9510101425.AA24628@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > "NO!! accccck!! no newsgroups!" > > some people do have environments which make reading news hard, and some > people, odd to say, prefer mail lists (they must be people with a lot > of time on their hands, or they are lonely for email :-) Nah ...because mail always works ...and news always breaks :) Usenet is inconsistent ...articles don't always get to everyone ...blah blah blah ... > anyway, the proper solution is a newsgroup which is interconnected with > a mailing list, this is quite standard to arrange. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 12:11:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20397; Tue, 10 Oct 95 12:11:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17126; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:10:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:52 -0400 Received: from ecs.umass.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16818; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:50 -0400 Received: from ECS.UMASS.EDU by ECS.UMASS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #6523) id <01HW9WDLMLBK8ZE7YI@ECS.UMASS.EDU>; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:46 -0500 From: JACK SHU Subject: HI To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HW9WDLOGUA8ZE7YI@ECS.UMASS.EDU> X-Envelope-To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"TP750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Just wanted to say Hi. I'm new to this mailing list. my company currently have 3 755C's and 2 750C's with 20 megs of ram each and 810 meg hd's. anyone know of a way we can use 256 color mode on windows NT 3.51? we can only get 16 color mode to run on there. Thanks. BTW does anyone know of a TP701 mailing list? We just purchased a bunch of 701C's. Jack From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 13:01:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23465; Tue, 10 Oct 95 13:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20933; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:50:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:48:43 -0400 Received: from wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20749; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:48:33 -0400 Received: from qmgate (qmgate.maplesoft.on.ca) by wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca with SMTP id AA04965 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:48:16 -0400 Message-Id: Date: 10 Oct 1995 12:47:39 -0800 From: "Edmond Bourne" Subject: Re: PC insurance (was- Re- To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 take... My wife is a state farm Claims adjustor and we went over our policy recently when I purchased a computer for home. I had to add a rider to our house insurance for the computer since its replacement cost (not its depreciated value) is > $5000 which is the limit for any individual item on our policy. When I first got the computer I counted things like this (computer $3000, monitor $500, external modem, $150, extra memory $400, etc, etc), which I figured meant I didn't need to worry about getting a rider. StateFarm however add's up ALL the computer items together (just like they would for a Car) which is why the total value of the computer is much greater the $5000 even though no component even comes close. Our Car insurance is also with state farm which makes things easy, but you will find that most insurance companies cover stuff stolen out of a car under the home owners insurance, if its an item thats not specific to the car (ie: a car stereo is, a walkman isn't). Check with your agent for the specifics. I think the rider just a added a buck or two a month to the policy (my wife is the expert!). By the way, these are Canadian/ontario dollar values and may not apply elsewhere. cheers ed -------------------------------------- Date: 10/10/95 12:30 PM To: Edmond Bourne From: Don Whiteside On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Martin P. Smith wrote: > A word of caution MOST home insurance does NOT cover a portable > machine when used for work or outside the home. Yes - State Farm told me that the criteria is "is it used or intended for use primarily inside the home?" While in my case I could probably contend that the primary use is for inside the home, I suspect that with any reasonable amount of outlay they'd argue the issue, given that the _nature_ of a laptop is to be portable. Similarly, I discovered that my car insurance won't cover something that isn't "permanently attached to the car." Meaning that a mounted car phone (which is infinitly more recognizable as there to be stolen) would be covered while my handheld unit isn't! Sheesh! So my laptop wouldn't be covered either. But as a final note, most insurance companies will sell you a rider policy for your transportable electronics. Their quote on my cellular phone worked out to the same as the "no questions asked" $4 a month my carrier wanted, so I passed on that. I have yet to ask them about my laptop (living dangerously for the moment...) but I'd suspect it would be similar to Safeware's price. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 13:13:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24289; Tue, 10 Oct 95 13:13:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22471; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:19 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22393; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:13 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA04109; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199510101709.NAA04109@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu, alster@interport.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:31:13 EDT." <9510101531.AA25611@nile.gnat.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:03 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > I do not understand Keith's comment: > > This works well if you want to accomodate people with different > interfaces to the list; it doesn't work so well if you're concerned > about signal to noise ratio. > > what is your concern? The more people you have in a discussion, the greater the tendency for the discussion to degenerate into things that aren't relevant. Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 15:04:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03930; Tue, 10 Oct 95 15:04:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02861; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:03:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:02:36 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02738; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:02:34 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA09990; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:02:31 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd Date: 10 Oct 1995 19:02:31 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <45eg07$9fo@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) To: macd@panix.com Michael MacDonald wrote: >I just purchased a 760cd via PC Direct. I paid ~$8800, since I also >ordered a 16mb upgrade. The sales rep said that I should expect >delivery in a week and a half, which is stunning considering the time >I waited for the 755cd (4 months!). > >I'll post a full review once it arrives. Can't wait!! :-) > >Michael MacDonald >macd@panix.com >mmacdon1@tinker.hofstra.edu > I placed an order with PCs Compleat last Thursday before it came out. Paid $7199, about $300 cheaper than PC Direct. Also, you BOUGHT the IBM RAM! They are way overpriced! Expect Kingston and Apricorn to come out with the 16MB ram in about 2 to 3 weeks. Also, the 760 can actullay go up to 128Mb RAM (not 40). It has two slots for RAM. And IBM (and third parties) will be making 64MB RAM cards soon. You might want to stop your order for the IBM RAM... (The RAM from Apricorn almost cost HALF!) I am waiting for my 760CD too! :) Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 15:05:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03935; Tue, 10 Oct 95 15:05:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02545; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:01:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:57:55 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02125; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:57:54 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09586; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:57:47 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:57:47 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <45efnb$8vh@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) To: dewar@nile.gnat.com dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >does anyone know if 32M cards are available for the 760, or do >you have to use 16M DIMS? The 760 can actually take up to 128MB of RAM. 64Mb RAM card will be introduced. Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 15:10:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04282; Tue, 10 Oct 95 15:10:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03051; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:05:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:04:20 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02938; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:04:17 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA10095; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:04:15 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory Date: 10 Oct 1995 19:04:14 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <45eg3e$9fo@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) To: jgcrawf@ibm.net jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) wrote: >Yes, that's behind my original question about 760/75x memory >Could some kind soul test this out for certain i.e. will TP75x DRAM cards be rec >ognised in a TP760 machine? > >Thanks in advance > >Jack > NO! I know how you feel. Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 15:11:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04351; Tue, 10 Oct 95 15:11:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03318; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:06:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:05:33 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03139; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:05:29 -0400 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA03519; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:48:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:48:31 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510101848.LAA03519@netcom17.netcom.com> To: alster@interport.net, dewar@nile.gnat.com Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu some people do have environments which make reading news hard, and some people, odd to say, prefer mail lists (they must be people with a lot of time on their hands, or they are lonely for email :-) anyway, the proper solution is a newsgroup which is interconnected with a mailing list, this is quite standard to arrange. My main objection to a newsgroup comes from the noise level that would surely result. But by now there's maybe enough traffic to warrant it despite the noise. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 17:46:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17113; Tue, 10 Oct 95 17:46:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20933; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:44:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:41:42 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20748; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:41:40 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.2) id RAA26658; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:39:00 -0400 From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:41:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199510102141.RAA21708@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWave 2.0 for OS/2 Connect Hi Thinkpad users, As this is my first post to this mailing list, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Shinichi Sakata. I am a relatively new user of Thinkpad 755CX and using it for my research activities. My machine has a Kingston's 16MB memory card and 3Com's Ethernet card on it. I am using OS/2 connect as the OS of the machine. This environment is basically very comfortable for me. But I've got a problem recently. I tried to install MWave 2.0 support for Warp on my machine a few days ago. But "setup.exe", the installation program of MWave 2.0 for OS/2, aborted before finishing installation. When it aborts, it leaves ISDEL running in the background. Because it seems that most people are happy with MWave 2.0, I am really curious. So, I have tried the following: 1. Remove the memory card and the ethernet card from the machine, then run setup.exe. (This was really painful. It tool forever to start OS/2 connect with 8MB memory.) 2. Apply the corrective service disketts I found at IBM's site, then run setup.exe. 3. Remove all network related lines from config.sys and restart the machine. Then run setup.exe. None of the above worked. Now I have no idea what to try next. Can anybody help me? Thanks in advance, Shinichi -- ============================================================================= Shinichi Sakata, Ph.D. The University of Michigan Internet: ssakata@econ.lsa.umich.edu Department of Economics Phone: (313) 764-2368 240 Lorch Hall, 1220 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 ============================================================================= From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 20:25:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27889; Tue, 10 Oct 95 20:25:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03646; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:24:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:22:06 -0400 Received: from vms1.cc.uop.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03155; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:22:03 -0400 Received: by vms1.cc.uop.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) id 83; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:21:51 PST Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:21:49 PST From: JOHNNY Reply-To: ggomez@vms1.cc.uop.edu To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <00997ABD.5918C9D4.83@vms1.cc.uop.edu> Subject: Difference between warp and warp Connect Hi i was wondering if someone could tell me the some of the differences between Warp Red Spine and Warp Connect. Is there anyway to upgrade to Connect in someway. What i'm looking foe is the ability to use a PCMCIA Ethernet card to connect to one of the servers at school. At some of the study rooms there are 10 Base-T connections inthe room. I'm not too up on Networking so if this is possible or not if someone could shead some light on this i'd appreciate itvery much... I know this isn't an OS/2 group, so go ahead and flame me. I dont't care Opinions are opinions, but I've noticed that people have been a great help to me and other with their ThinkPad problems, Thanks in advance for the help.. -john From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 01:52:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19929; Wed, 11 Oct 95 01:52:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26562; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:47:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:45:13 -0400 Received: from coyote.channel1.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26395; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:45:11 -0400 Received: from channel1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by coyote.channel1.com (8.6.9/8.6.4) with UUCP id BAA23337 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:48:03 -0400 Received: by channel1 (NetXpress 2.02) with UUCP id D73D4F; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:06:15 -0640 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750c Sound Settings From: akiro@channel1.com (Akiro) Message-Id: <40.1305473.700@channel1.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:19:00 -0640 Organization: Channel 1(R) 617-864-0100 Info Subject: 750c Sound Settings Hi, I wanted to use the game called HERITEC on my TP 750c. There are many sound options and settings (port, channel...etc), can someone please help. Thank you. Akiro From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 03:16:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23329; Wed, 11 Oct 95 03:16:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03455; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:15:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:13:18 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03253; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:13:12 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA17414; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:13:01 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: 750c Sound Settings Date: 11 Oct 1995 07:13:01 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <45fqpt$gvu@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) To: akiro@channel1.com akiro@channel1.com (Akiro) wrote: >Subject: 750c Sound Settings > >Hi, > >I wanted to use the game called HERITEC on my TP 750c. There are many >sound options and settings (port, channel...etc), can someone please >help. Thank you. > >Akiro Is it a DOS game? If it is, the chance is that it will NOT work. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 06:52:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03894; Wed, 11 Oct 95 06:52:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23942; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:47:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:44:47 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23665; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:44:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA23897 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:44:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA08595; Wed, 11 Oct 95 06:44:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 06:44:52 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510111044.AA08595@nile.gnat.com> To: Wai_Shan_Lam@brown.edu, akiro@channel1.com, brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Subject: Re: 750c Sound Settings "is it a DOS game? If it is, the chance is that it will NOT work" that's too strong, lots of DOS games work! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 08:27:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08411; Wed, 11 Oct 95 08:27:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29430; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:25:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:23:10 -0400 Received: from alf.uib.no by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28982; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:23:08 -0400 Received: from novlpr.uib.no by alf.uib.no with SMTP (PP); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:22:37 +0100 Received: From EDBSENT1/WORKQUEUE1 by novlpr.uib.no via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951011132217.288; 11 Oct 95 13:22:37 -100 Message-Id: From: Thor +ivind Jensen Organization: AORG.UIB.NO To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:25:07 MET Subject: Subscribe Reply-To: Thor.O.Jensen@aorg.uib.no Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Subscribe ! I have been left out after some reorganization of the mail system, but will try to participate again From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 09:58:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13209; Wed, 11 Oct 95 09:58:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08214; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:57:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:51:22 -0400 Received: from cyber1.servtech.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07578; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:51:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199510111351.JAA07578@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: PCMCIA memory cards To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Randall King" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know who manufactures/sells memory cards that fit in the PCMCIA slots in the sides of the 75x machine? Thanks, Randall From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 11:25:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17847; Wed, 11 Oct 95 11:25:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16023; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:20:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:18:09 -0400 Received: from duvi.eskom.co.za by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15860; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:18:02 -0400 Received: from netman.eskom.co.za by duvi.eskom.co.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0t32u6-0001c0C; Wed, 11 Oct 95 17:17 RSA Received: from MP2NFS02/SpoolDir by netman.eskom.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 11 Oct 95 17:17:09 GMT+2 Received: from SpoolDir by MP2NFS02 (Mercury 1.21); 11 Oct 95 17:16:41 GMT+2 From: "Adrian Schutte" Organization: ESKOM Information Technology To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:16:38 GMT+2 Subject: Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <16C50976672@netman.eskom.co.za> subscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 11:38:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19407; Wed, 11 Oct 95 11:38:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17114; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:26:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:25:33 -0400 Received: from duvi.eskom.co.za by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16933; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:25:19 -0400 Received: from netman.eskom.co.za by duvi.eskom.co.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0t330n-0001bIC; Wed, 11 Oct 95 17:24 RSA Received: from MP2NFS02/SpoolDir by netman.eskom.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 11 Oct 95 17:24:04 GMT+2 Received: from SpoolDir by MP2NFS02 (Mercury 1.21); 11 Oct 95 17:23:55 GMT+2 From: "Richard Ellerbrock" Organization: ESKOM Information Technology To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:23:49 GMT+2 Subject: Packet driver Reply-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za X-Confirm-Reading-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <16C6F894E19@netman.eskom.co.za> I am looking for a packet driver for the IBM PCMCIA Ethercard II. Does such a beast exist? -- richarde@netman.eskom.co.za Richard Ellerbrock (ECNE) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 17:35:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13397; Wed, 11 Oct 95 17:35:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29078; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:31:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:27:22 -0400 Received: from edrtg.ed.ornl.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28514; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:27:21 -0400 Received: (from rtg@localhost) by edrtg.ed.ornl.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA18863; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:29:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:29:14 -0400 From: Rick Goeltz Message-Id: <199510112129.RAA18863@edrtg.ed.ornl.gov> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously Reply-To: rtg@ornl.gov TP'ers: We just took delivery of a 755cx (24 MB, 3rd party; 810 HD). Right out of the box, OS2 would not boot; just a looping boot attempt. We booted from a floppy and found the os2 program on the HD to set the boot option to DOS, which is what we wanted anyway. DOS boots fine. Windows starts and runs but will spontaneously reboot. I detect no pattern in this behaviour. Next, I plan to run HW diagnostics and then reinstall Windows. Any suggestions are most welcome. Please respond directly and I will summarize. Thanks. Rick rtg@ornl.gov From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 18:34:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18647; Wed, 11 Oct 95 18:34:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06429; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:28:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:26:52 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06045; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:26:48 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA23372; Wed, 11 Oct 95 18:26:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 18:26:53 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510112226.AA23372@nile.gnat.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, rtg@ornl.gov Subject: Re: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously I run OS/2 all the time on a CX, no problems. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 02:26:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23579; Thu, 12 Oct 95 02:26:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18366; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:24:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:21:16 -0400 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17745; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:21:14 -0400 Received: from violin-06.synapse.net (violin-06.synapse.net [199.84.52.232]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA19832 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199510120621.CAA19832@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Sender: phong@pop.synapse.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: phong@phsmc.synapse.net (Patrick Hong) Subject: Re: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously >We just took delivery of a 755cx (24 MB, 3rd party; 810 HD). Right >out of the box, OS2 would not boot; just a looping boot attempt. We >booted from a floppy and found the os2 program on the HD to set the >boot option to DOS, which is what we wanted anyway. > >DOS boots fine. Windows starts and runs but will spontaneously >reboot. I detect no pattern in this behaviour. > >Next, I plan to run HW diagnostics and then reinstall Windows. > >Any suggestions are most welcome. Please respond directly and I will >summarize. > I experienced similar problems with one of my computers (not a notebook but an IBM PS/2 Model 80) when I had mixed the memory types (parity versus non-parity). To say the least, it caused me great pain until I finally managed to diagnose it since I lost quite a bit of work (corrupted files, etc.). The symptons were very much as you described, continual rebooting and the like. The reason why the memory wasn't diagnosed with an error with one of my memory testing programs is that the system continually powers up the memory chips and doesn't have to "refresh" the memory during wait states. I know this isn't directly related but I thought it might help. I have a 755CX with a 16MB IC DRAM card from Kingston and I've had no problems what so ever. Good Luck! ______________________________________________________________________ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@phsmc.synapse.net (613) 769-1544 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 04:18:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00301; Thu, 12 Oct 95 04:18:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06715; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:14:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:12:14 -0400 Received: from cc.tuat.ac.jp by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06380; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:11:58 -0400 From: Received: (from russ@localhost) by cc.tuat.ac.jp (8.6.9+2.4Wb/3.3W9 mail01[95/01/23]) id RAA02736; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:12:59 +0900 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:12:59 +0900 Message-Id: <199510120812.RAA02736@cc.tuat.ac.jp> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Correct list for 701c? Have not actually got it yet, but was wondering if this is the appropriate list for the 701c model Thinkpad? The subscription notification I received stated several models, but did not mention this one. Thanks, Russ ************************************************************************ "Let yourself go with the disease, be with it, keep company with it - this is the way to be rid of it." - Bruce Lee russ@cc.tuat.ac.jp http://www.coe.uncc.edu/~ralunsfo From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 10:42:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25746; Thu, 12 Oct 95 10:42:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25145; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:34:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:27:17 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24104; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:27:15 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa11003; 12 Oct 95 10:26 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA04610; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:26:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Cc: russ@cc.tuat.ac.jp Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: <199510120812.RAA02736@cc.tuat.ac.jp> Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 russ@cc.tuat.ac.jp wrote: > Have not actually got it yet, but was wondering if this is the appropriate > list for the 701c model Thinkpad? The subscription notification I received > stated several models, but did not mention this one. I'm in a very similar situation - i have a 701cs on order, and looking a forum for the machine found this mailing list. I seem to recall seeing mention of it being for discussion of all thinkpads, but then see mention specifically of 75X models elsewhere. What's the prevailing view on this? Since i'm so eager to explore some questions, i'm going to go ahead and ask - plz excuse me if in fact this is not the right place! My basic question is, which OS should i run on my thinkpad for maximum comfort and interoperability? Ultimately, i want to be able to do easy file sharing between my work systems - unix, mostly suns, all on ethernet - and my laptop. I have some familiarity with DOS/Windows, but much much more with Unix. And i'm not very happy with the operation of after-the- fact tcp/ip packages i've seen for DOS/Windows. I'm seriously considering putting linux up on the thinkpad. I've heard it should not be hard to install it on the 701cs (i'll have a 720MB disk, which should help for room). I've seen laptop linux's which had problems with power management - couldn't suspend - but i gather that's been resolved, recently. ? I'm interested in knowing if anyone on the list knows the disposition of linux on 701cs machines - is the install fairly straightforward, will it avail all the peripheral resources (IR ports, PCMCIA SCSI and ethernet cards, power mgmt, ...) etc? Alternately, i've started considering going with OS/2 warp (OS/2 2.11, warp v3 is supposed to come preinstalled). I've heard OS/2 is a pretty capable OS, and a machine here at work has the OS/2 with the tcp/ip stuff - part of OS/2 Connect, i presume - which looks like it gives pretty complete tcp/ip capabilities - telnet, ftp, NFS, X, etc. My question here is, does OS/2 Connect come as part of the OS/2 bundled with the thinkpads, or is it something i would have to buy extra? Considering it would just be a trial use of OS/2 in the first place, to see if i like it, i'm reluctant to buy an incidental package to get it viable... (I tried OS/2 a bit, and have yet another question. The machine i tried has the tcpip stuff - i got it so i could do a remote login, and run an X client on the display, etc - cool. But when i was remotely logged in to the OS/2 shell, any 'help' i issued got popped into windows on the system console - aargh. Is there any way to override this? It reflects a presumption that people will *not* be doing remote logins, and i'm concerned that this assumption is buried deep in the system design. That would be a bad thing...) Anyway, any information would be appreciated. Again, sorry if 701 issues are not relevant here! ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us, 703 620-8990 x259 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 11:22:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28502; Thu, 12 Oct 95 11:22:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00686; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:15:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:14:51 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00500; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:14:49 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01850; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:14:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Ken Manheimer wrote: > resolved, recently. ? I'm interested in knowing if anyone on the list > knows the disposition of linux on 701cs machines - is the install fairly > straightforward, will it avail all the peripheral resources (IR ports, > PCMCIA SCSI and ethernet cards, power mgmt, ...) etc? I was just browsing the linux hardware newsgroup yesterday. One person report he had it running just fine on a TP701C - PCMCIA ethernet and SCSI, built-in modem, and soundblaster emulation all works fine. Dunno about power management or IR ports. He had it running 1024x768x8bit virtual on the LCD, and 1024x768x8bit on a CRT. Your machine being a CS might give you some problems. > Alternately, i've started considering going with OS/2 warp (OS/2 2.11, > warp v3 is supposed to come preinstalled). I've heard OS/2 is a pretty > capable OS, and a machine here at work has the OS/2 with the tcp/ip stuff > - part of OS/2 Connect, i presume - which looks like it gives pretty > complete tcp/ip capabilities - telnet, ftp, NFS, X, etc. You should think about what programs you're going to use. Linux has a much lower overhead for stuff like telnet, ftp, emacs, etc. I looked at the programs I used under OS/2 and found 95% of my time was in ports of unix tools, so I switched to Linux. With OS/2 and 12MB on my TP750, running just the X server and emacs started heavy swapping. Under Linux it's *slightly* better (most of the overhead comes from X - without X I can start emacs several times without swapping, which I couldn't do with OS/2). ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 14:10:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11628; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:10:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19591; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:04:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:01:25 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19292; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:00:34 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:57:33 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:57:30 +0100 Message-Id: <50173.9510121757@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu, klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Why does my machine being a TP750Cs (emphasis on the Cs) create a possible problem? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 14:14:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12047; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:14:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20341; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:11:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:10:08 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20147; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:10:04 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA02074; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:09:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Cc: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: <50173.9510121757@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > Why does my machine being a TP750Cs (emphasis on the Cs) create > a possible problem? Dual scans typically keep two copies of the screen in VRAM. The XFree driver under Linux must be able to do this or work around it for your screen to work correctly. i.e. a driver/configuration for a 701c will not work on a 701cs. The 750/755/360 series uses the Western Digital 90C24 video chipset, and the XFree drivers for it (supposedly) automatically configure for a dual scan. The 701 uses the Chips & Technologies 65545(?). I'm not certain about dual-scan support with the C&T. So the fact that someone has got XFree running on a 701c does not guarantee it'll work on a 701cs. That's why I said it might give you problems. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 14:29:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13159; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:29:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21410; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:23:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:22:24 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21331; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:22:18 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa15896; 12 Oct 95 14:22 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA00777; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:21:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: "John H. Kim" Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Excellent information - thanks! On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, John H. Kim wrote: > I was just browsing the linux hardware newsgroup yesterday. One person Ah - i had only check the comp.linux.setup group, for a few day. I'll watch the .hardware group, now. > power management or IR ports. He had it running 1024x768x8bit virtual > on the LCD, and 1024x768x8bit on a CRT. Your machine being a CS might > give you some problems. I guess if i don't find someone else who's identified the x configuration, i'll have to locate the appropriate chipset in the config notes and struggle with getting X going, as i did last time. (At least this time i'll have the hardware manuals identifying the chipset, etc!) > [Some substantial info about difficulties of using OS/2.] With the sort of encouraging info about using linux that you mentioned, and the troubles with using OS/2, it sounds like linux is worth aiming for. I'm surprised that OS/2 is ungainly when it comes to resources, but after playing with it some more, i'm not real thrilled about the user interface. Seems best to just go with my familiar window managers, X, emacs, and all the stuff that comes with linux... Thanks much for the info. ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us, 703 620-8990 x259 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 14:34:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13198; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:34:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22272; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:31:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:31:21 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.deq.state.la.us by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22145; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:31:19 -0400 From: Received: by gatekeeper.deq.state.la.us; id AA09096; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:32:20 -0500 Received: from vmsbridge1.deq.state.la.us by mail.deq.state.la.us; (5.65/1.1.8.2/01Nov94-0715PM) id AA21500; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:32:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by osf601.deq.state.la.us; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15May95-0256PM) id AA14877; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:33:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9510121833.AA14877@osf601.deq.state.la.us> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP755CD with NT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 13:33:46 -0500 X-Mts: smtp Help! I am trying to run Windows NT on a Thinkpad 755CD with 40 MB RAM. I can only get 16 colors under NT. Does anyone know what the fix for this is? I have heard that there is one, but IBM wants to charge my $35.00 to tell me how to do it. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Daniel Smith ******************************************************************************** * Daniel D. Smith ** Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality * * UNIX Systems Manager / ** GIS Center * * Internet Security Mgr. ** P.O. Box 82231, Baton Rouge, LA 70884 * * daniel@deq.state.la.us ** Telephone (504) 765-0086 Facsimile (504) 765-0097 * ******************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 16:44:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23551; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:44:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10451; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:41:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:38:37 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10040; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:38:33 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:38:02 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:38:03 +0100 Message-Id: <158644.9510122038@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, jokim@tuna.mit.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? Cc: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US ah, i see -- i checked this out before buying the system -- linux has an xfree code which handles the 750Cs. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 17:31:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26633; Thu, 12 Oct 95 17:31:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17055; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:31:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:29:38 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16816; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:29:36 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA02273; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:29:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:29:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim accidently sent this to me instead of the list: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:41:53 -8 From: Jim Lee To: "John H. Kim" Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? John H. Kim wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > > > Why does my machine being a TP750Cs (emphasis on the Cs) create > > a possible problem? > > Dual scans typically keep two copies of the screen in VRAM. The XFree > driver under Linux must be able to do this or work around it for your > screen to work correctly. i.e. a driver/configuration for a 701c > will not work on a 701cs. The 750/755/360 series uses the Western > Digital 90C24 video chipset, and the XFree drivers for it (supposedly) > automatically configure for a dual scan. The 701 uses the Chips & > Technologies 65545(?). I'm not certain about dual-scan support with > the C&T. > > So the fact that someone has got XFree running on a 701c does not > guarantee it'll work on a 701cs. That's why I said it might give you > problems. Hi all, I'm apparently the person you are referring to as getting X working on a 701C. Just to clear up any confusion, I have *both* a 701C and a 701Cs. I configured X on the 701C, swapped the hard drives, and it (X) ran flawlessly on the 701Cs without any changes. This suggests that the XFree86 SVGA driver has built-in dual scan support for the C&T 65545. I'm not sure about Western Digital support - my only Western Digital 90Cxx machines ('755CX's) are all active matrix... ---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 17:51:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28166; Thu, 12 Oct 95 17:51:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19737; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:49:36 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19448; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:49:35 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA02304; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:49:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:49:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Ken Manheimer wrote: > > [Some substantial info about difficulties of using OS/2.] > > With the sort of encouraging info about using linux that you mentioned, > and the troubles with using OS/2, it sounds like linux is worth aiming > for. I'm surprised that OS/2 is ungainly when it comes to resources, but I don't think it's because OS/2 is resource hungry, but because OS/2 is not unix and running unix programs has the overhead of the ported unix tools (which don't really create native OS/2 code). The emacs binary under OS/2 was almost 2MB while it's under 1MB for Linux. It also loads a *lot* faster under Linux. I do miss the ability to run just about any DOS program under the sun though. The irony of all this is that I sent a letter to Keith Moore saying I vote that this list not expand to cover the TP760/701. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 20:58:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12466; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:58:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05886; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:57:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:55:28 -0400 Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05611; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:55:25 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29646; Thu, 12 Oct 95 19:03:56 CDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 19:03:55 CDT Message-Id: <9510130003.AA29646@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? >On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 russ@cc.tuat.ac.jp wrote: > >My question here is, does OS/2 Connect come as part of the OS/2 bundled >with the thinkpads, or is it something i would have to buy extra? >Considering it would just be a trial use of OS/2 in the first place, to >see if i like it, i'm reluctant to buy an incidental package to get it >viable... OS/2 Warp v3 comes preloaded on most of the higher end ThinkPad's. If you want Warp Connect you will have to buy it and install it on your own (unless your ThinkPad vendor will preload it for you). There is not an upgrade price for Warp Connect. The line I heard is that "...the price is already pretty low so we can't afford to give any further breaks". Also keep in mind that Warp Connect only comes on CD-ROM. I have been trying Warp v3 with my 2 month old 755cx and am slowly coming to appreciate its power. Rather quirkly and w/ a nasty learning curve, it is certainly a legitimate alternative to Win 3.1 and that other, more recent, release from Redmond. If there were more GOOD native applications I would betempted to dump my MS Office and run OS/2 almost exclusively. Not a computer person by training so can't answer your TCP/IP questions. Great source for Thinkpad Info, beside this list, is CompuServe's ThinkPad forum. I couldn't live without it and it is my only real reason for staying w/ CIS. Regards, Joe Wilson Badger Valve & Fitting Milwaukee, WI 755cx running Warp v3 & Win 3.11 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 21:30:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14192; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:30:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09160; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:30:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:29:26 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09074; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:29:24 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:28:30 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:28:28 +0100 Message-Id: <60481.9510130128@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: josephw@inc.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? Could you please describe Warp Connect? I had the old TCP/IP 2.0 system for OS/2 2.1 -- which included TCP/IP transport, network card drivers, programmer's libraries, TCP/IP clients, X11R4, and Xlib. What is included under Warp Connect? Does Warp Connect support Ethernet as well as PPP, SLIP, CSLIP? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 01:06:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06430; Fri, 13 Oct 95 01:06:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00871; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:05:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:01:48 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00666; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:01:45 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:01:39 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:01:38 +0100 Message-Id: <40059.9510130501@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 750Cs vs. Adaptec APA-1460 vs. Toshiba XM-3201 >Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops,comp.periphs.scsi,alt.periphs.pcmcia >Subject: PCMCIA/SCSI -- Adaptec APA-1460 -- Thinkpad 750Cs -- Toshiba CD-ROM > >Well, I just installed Adaptec's APA-1460 SlimSCSI PCMCIA SCSI-II card >in my Thinkpad 750Cs. It works just great with an antique Maxtor 8760S, >a newer Maxtor 340 MB drive, and an Archive Viper 150S. Disk transfer >rate is about 1 to 1.6 MByte/sec. Tape transfer rate is fast enough to >keep the tape drive streaming. In essence, I don't see any significant >speed degredation compared to my ISA bus Adaptec 1542B and CF cards. > >However, while Adaptec's EZ-SCSI setup routine and while Adaptec's SCSI >interrogator software both see my Toshiba XM-3201 CD-ROM (perhaps the >grandfather of most modern CD-ROM drives -- compatible with most OS's: >DOS, Windows, SCO UNIX, 386BSD, Linux, OS/2, Windows/NT, etc) -- their >ASPI2DOS.SYS driver software only sees the Maxtor and the Archive Tape >-- ASPI2DOS.SYS cannot see the Toshiba even if I turn off synchronous >negotiation (and turn off everything else which can be turned off with >the command line switches). > >Does anyone know how to get Adaptec APA-1460 ASPI2DOS.SYS to speak with >my Toshiba XM-3201 during system startup? > >Thanks, AJ Annala > >Dr. Alexander J. Annala >Senior Research Fellow >LMP/Pharmacology >University College >Gower Street >London WC1E 6BT >United Kingdom > >FAX: +44 (171)380-7245 >EMAIL: a.annala@ucl.ac.uk From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 02:58:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12451; Fri, 13 Oct 95 02:58:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07820; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:57:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:55:32 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07607; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:55:29 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:55:23 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:55:24 +0100 Message-Id: <104825.9510130655@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) I would be interested in knowing what manuals are available for end users (User Manual), programmers/hardware people (Technical Reference Manuals), and maintenance (Hardware Maintenance Manuals) for TP750's. IBM UK doesn't seem to be able to generate such a list. Colleagues at SCO suggested each TP750 modem is significantly different. I'd like to understand these differences and learn more about my Thinkpad. If you have a manual for TP750 series (even if it isn't 750Cs) please drop me a note so I can add it to my list. If you have any manuals for the TP750Cs (or more generically TP750 serienys) and don't want them any more -- drop me a note and I'd like to see about buying it from you. Thanks, AJ Annala From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 05:18:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21481; Fri, 13 Oct 95 05:18:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28574; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 05:18:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 05:15:24 -0400 Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27516; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 05:15:09 -0400 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:14:50 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:14:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:14:49 +0100 Message-Id: <9510130914.AA07322@octave.chorus.fr> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) > > I would be interested in knowing what manuals are available for end > users (User Manual), programmers/hardware people (Technical Reference > Manuals), and maintenance (Hardware Maintenance Manuals) for TP750's. > IBM UK doesn't seem to be able to generate such a list. Colleagues > at SCO suggested each TP750 modem is significantly different. I'd > like to understand these differences and learn more about my Thinkpad. > > If you have a manual for TP750 series (even if it isn't 750Cs) please > drop me a note so I can add it to my list. If you have any manuals for > the TP750Cs (or more generically TP750 serienys) and don't want them any > more -- drop me a note and I'd like to see about buying it from you. > I can't help you on that, sorry. But I take this opportunity to ask Technical or Hardware Reference Manual owners if they can help me. It's now been a long time since I wonder how the magic PS2.exe command works. My goal is to get the hardware information required so as to be able to port this command under Linux which I ran on my Thinkpad for months. Thanks ! PS: My thinkpad is a 360CSE -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 06:27:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25061; Fri, 13 Oct 95 06:27:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11193; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:26:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:24:40 -0400 Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10768; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:24:38 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po4.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA00465; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:24:33 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ippen.ce.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ippen.ce.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.70.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.ippen.ce.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.ippen.ce.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Curtis P. Yeske" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives Cc: "Curtis P. Yeske" , "Daniel R. Rehak" The original TP750Cs came with disks that were stamped "340MB", but FDISK show only 328MB. Is this correct? The version of FDISK is OS2, and as far as I can tell there is only 328MB available before formatting. Curt Thanks in advance. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 06:45:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26093; Fri, 13 Oct 95 06:45:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12000; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:44:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:43:21 -0400 Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11936; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:43:10 -0400 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:42:51 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 95 11:42:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 11:42:50 +0100 Message-Id: <9510131042.AA00863@octave.chorus.fr> To: cy13+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Hi Curt, > > The original TP750Cs came with disks that were stamped "340MB", but FDISK > show only 328MB. Is this correct? > I have a Thinkpad 360CSE with a 340MB disk and (if I remember) it shows the same value. This comes from the way you count mega bytes (1000 or 1024 Kb) and if you give the space before or after formatting. Regards, -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 07:31:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29809; Fri, 13 Oct 95 07:31:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14015; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:30:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:27:40 -0400 Received: from sh1.ro.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13828; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:27:39 -0400 Received: from dramsey.ro.com (ts1p4.ro.com [205.216.92.24]) by sh1.ro.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA32358 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:34:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:34:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199510131134.GAA32358@sh1.ro.com> X-Sender: dramsey@ro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu (IBM 750 newsgroup) From: Don Ramsey Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750Cs vs. Adaptec APA-1460 vs. Toshiba XM-3201 What OS are you running? I have the earlier version of the SlimSCSI and could never get it to work during boot-up of OS/2. That OS does not get the PCMCIA drivers in place early enough to run PCMCIA SCSI controllers. This is especially aggravating if you are trying to install OS/2 from CDROM. I had bought the Trantor parallel port SCSI controller (MA-348) prior to the PCMCIA controller. I had intended to sell it after I bought the faster PCMCIA version but, in the end, I kept it because you can use it to install OS/2 from CDROM. I am using the Toshiba XM-3401 with my PCMCIA controller with no problems. Don at dramsey@ro.com At 06:01 AM 10/13/95 +0100, you wrote: > >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops,comp.periphs.scsi,alt.periphs.pcmcia >>Subject: PCMCIA/SCSI -- Adaptec APA-1460 -- Thinkpad 750Cs -- Toshiba CD-ROM >> >>Well, I just installed Adaptec's APA-1460 SlimSCSI PCMCIA SCSI-II card >>in my Thinkpad 750Cs. It works just great with an antique Maxtor 8760S, >>a newer Maxtor 340 MB drive, and an Archive Viper 150S. Disk transfer >>rate is about 1 to 1.6 MByte/sec. Tape transfer rate is fast enough to >>keep the tape drive streaming. In essence, I don't see any significant >>speed degredation compared to my ISA bus Adaptec 1542B and CF cards. >> >>However, while Adaptec's EZ-SCSI setup routine and while Adaptec's SCSI >>interrogator software both see my Toshiba XM-3201 CD-ROM (perhaps the >>grandfather of most modern CD-ROM drives -- compatible with most OS's: >>DOS, Windows, SCO UNIX, 386BSD, Linux, OS/2, Windows/NT, etc) -- their >>ASPI2DOS.SYS driver software only sees the Maxtor and the Archive Tape >>-- ASPI2DOS.SYS cannot see the Toshiba even if I turn off synchronous >>negotiation (and turn off everything else which can be turned off with >>the command line switches). >> >>Does anyone know how to get Adaptec APA-1460 ASPI2DOS.SYS to speak with >>my Toshiba XM-3201 during system startup? >> >>Thanks, AJ Annala >> >>Dr. Alexander J. Annala >>Senior Research Fellow >>LMP/Pharmacology >>University College >>Gower Street >>London WC1E 6BT >>United Kingdom >> >>FAX: +44 (171)380-7245 >>EMAIL: a.annala@ucl.ac.uk > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 07:45:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29884; Fri, 13 Oct 95 07:45:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14973; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:44:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:44:22 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14894; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:44:21 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA5300; Fri, 13 Oct 95 07:38:32 -0700 Message-Id: <9510131438.AA5300@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id ED66D3D2ACC777F585256254003F6D15; Fri, 13 Oct 95 07:38:31 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 13 Oct 95 7:33:51 EDT Subject: Re: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....The original TP750Cs came with disks that were stamped "340MB", but FDISK show only 328MB. Is this correct?...." ~~~~~ here we go again.... Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 08:19:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00357; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:19:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17486; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:19:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:19:09 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17423; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:18:50 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com by micros.micros.com id ab05793; 13 Oct 95 8:18 EDT Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.08) id AA813597543; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:16:58 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:16:58 EDT From: Josh Gerber Message-Id: <9509138135.AA813597543@smtplink.micros.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives Author: Michael Verne/VENTANA at SMTPLINK-Micros Date: 10/13/95 7:46 AM "....The original TP750Cs came with disks that were stamped "340MB", but FDISK show only 328MB. Is this correct?...." ~~~~~ here we go again.... Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 08:42:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03492; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:42:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21057; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:41:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:39:44 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20564; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:39:18 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com by micros.micros.com id aa05895; 13 Oct 95 8:38 EDT Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.08) id AA813598743; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:35:10 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:35:10 EDT From: Josh Gerber Message-Id: <9509138135.AA813598743@smtplink.micros.com> To: Josh Gerber , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[3]: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 09:12:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07378; Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:12:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25983; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:12:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:10:01 -0400 Received: from vnet.IBM.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25328; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:09:58 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199510131309.JAA25328@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ATLVMIC1.VNET.IBM.COM by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 4617; Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:09:51 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:09:50 EDT To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: NO SUBJECT From: Brian T. Tucker bt@vnet.ibm.com IBM Southern Area Open Systems Center 1600 Riveredge Parkway Atlanta GA 30328 Subject: >Could you please describe Warp Connect? I had the old TCP/IP 2.0 system >for OS/2 2.1 -- which included TCP/IP transport, network card drivers, >programmer's libraries, TCP/IP clients, X11R4, and Xlib. What is included >under Warp Connect? Does Warp Connect support Ethernet as well as PPP, >SLIP, CSLIP? Warp connect contains IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 V3.0, not otherwise available. Also contains NDIS drivers and MPTS (nee LAPS) for many NICs, including ethernet and tokenring. usual clients, but not DNS nor NFS without getting those seperately (still at v2.0) and applying APARs. I believe X11 to be there (i didn't install it), programmers toolkit is still extra, and it supports only SLIP (although a PPP stack is available at ftp.ibm.net). It will support up to eight SLIP connections. thank you, Brian 404-644-5231 (Tie 237)(Fax 644-5284) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 10:16:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10879; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:16:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04114; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:15:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:13:12 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03760; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:13:04 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA27401; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:17:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: eranian@chorus.fr Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) In-Reply-To: <9510130914.AA07322@octave.chorus.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Oct 1995 eranian@chorus.fr wrote: > I can't help you on that, sorry. But I take this opportunity to ask > Technical or Hardware Reference Manual owners if they can help me. > > It's now been a long time since I wonder how the magic PS2.exe command > works. My goal is to get the hardware information required so as to be > able to port this command under Linux which I ran on my Thinkpad for months. _Good luck_! I tried to get this info out of IBM once - if any game of phonemailmaze that lasts over an hour can be called only _once_. My hardware manual doesn't talk about any software interrupts or operations, and I don't think they're in any hurry to pass that info out to anyone but major OS vendors. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 10:41:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12132; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:41:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07421; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:40:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:36:55 -0400 Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06868; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:36:47 -0400 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:36:30 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 95 15:36:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 15:36:29 +0100 Message-Id: <9510131436.AA03886@octave.chorus.fr> To: dwhite@shadow.net Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu > > > I can't help you on that, sorry. But I take this opportunity to ask > > Technical or Hardware Reference Manual owners if they can help me. > > > > It's now been a long time since I wonder how the magic PS2.exe command > > works. My goal is to get the hardware information required so as to be > > able to port this command under Linux which I ran on my Thinkpad for months. > > _Good luck_! I tried to get this info out of IBM once - if any game of > phonemailmaze that lasts over an hour can be called only _once_. My > hardware manual doesn't talk about any software interrupts or operations, > and I don't think they're in any hurry to pass that info out to anyone > but major OS vendors. > But don't think it is possible to get this information using some kind of reverse engineering on the DOS command. We can use a debugger and run the program step by step. I did not try this, it's just a idea.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 10:54:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12841; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:54:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09083; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:53:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:52:41 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08971; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:52:10 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:43:15 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:43:11 +0100 Message-Id: <57251.9510131443@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: dramsey@ro.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750Cs vs. Adaptec APA-1460 vs. Toshiba XM-3201 Right now I am running PC-DOS 5.02 and Windows 3.1 which were shipped with the TP750Cs. The Adaptec installs fine, the SCSI drivers load fine, they see the Maxtor and Archive Tape (they list them on a baner during startup -- but ASPI2DOS.SYS doesn't see the Toshiba XM3201 (which is mist peculiarly seen by both Install and SCSI Probe). From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 12:44:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21458; Fri, 13 Oct 95 12:44:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23192; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:44:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:41:11 -0400 Received: from smtp.interramp.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23002; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:41:08 -0400 From: Received: from .interramp.com by smtp.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id MAA03498; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:41:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:38:54 PDT Subject: subscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hello, I would like to substribe to your tp750 mailing list. Thanks Fred From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 18:04:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18490; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:04:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29947; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:03:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:00:03 -0400 Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29434; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:59:56 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA09297; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:51 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:51 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199510132200.WAA09297@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: dwhite@shadow.net, eranian@chorus.fr Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu If anybody has any luck on TP manuals (especially TP755CX), please let me know, too. I wanted some information to help in using the 800x600 display, APM, and DSP with Linux. I spent more than eight hours on the phone (much of it on hold), and talked to over a dozen IBM'ers, and got very little information. Apparently, there is a reference manual, but it is designed for people doing component-swap sort of hardware maintenance. Here is what I learned from one IBMer who was friendly: | There is a Technical Reference manual for each of the ThinkPad | models, but it doesn't go into the level of detail that you | require, partly to prevent users from hosing their system. I did have some success in getting documentation from Western Digital, on their WD90C24 video controller chip. However, it is not as much help as I would have hoped, since I don't know how the chip is configured in the TP755CX. --Ted Baker From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 18:26:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20486; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:26:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02787; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:26:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:25:21 -0400 Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02645; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:25:20 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA09419; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:26:28 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:26:28 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199510132226.WAA09419@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) For what it is worth, here is some more information. I asked about the existence of a BIOS interface manual for the TP755CX. This is the reply: | I am afraid there is no such exhaustive manual that covers all the | BIOS calls that the 755CX supports. As a rule we do not publish calls | that are subject to change from product to product, to avoid customer | confusion and possible compatibility problems ("my program worked fine | on model A, why does it break on model B?".) I also received the following warning concerning calling the BIOS from Linux: | ... if you invoke VESA BIOS, it will attempt to read the display | refresh rate data file \IBMVESA\FRATE.DAT (described in | VINSTALL.DOC in that directory) via DOS INT 21H file system calls, | so it will only work in DOS unless you somehow fake out INT 21H - | in other words, you may have to do the setup from within a DOS | emulator box or some unique virtual 8086 thread with a trap on INT | 21H... From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 19:16:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23448; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:16:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05706; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:15:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:14:06 -0400 Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05484; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:14:01 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA06159; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:13:00 +0100 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22779; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:13:19 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0t3tEc-000DINC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:09 MET Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:09:49 +0100 (MET) From: Hanno Wagner To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Expieriences with Caldera Preview II Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Folks, I just got the Caldera Preview II and installed it, it's really cool. Because I have no CD-ROM-Drive, we put the CD-ROM in another LinuX-Computer, got the boot-disk from the CD-ROM, started the Thinkpad (it's a TP 370C, 12 MB RAM, 540MB Drive), got lilo with floppy=thinkpad (as usual). First, the program detects automatically the PCMCIA-Support and -card. Second, there was _no_ problem with installing the whole thing via NFS. It has worked 2 hours to install, but it is good. No problems with configuring, (except LiLo; I haven't set it up this time). The window of Caldera is nice, it has Arena as WebBrowser and you can go into Novell NetWare-Server without problems. So, first impression: very good Ciao, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:80/~wagner/ Rince@IRC "Connecting to Reality" (Reality's Smart Investor gives this message when logging on) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 20:03:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27028; Fri, 13 Oct 95 20:03:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08209; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:03:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:02:08 -0400 Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07872; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:00:20 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA06289; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:59:37 +0100 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21775; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:59:49 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0t3txc-000DINC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:56 MET Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:56:19 +0100 (MET) From: Hanno Wagner To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Lilo with cylinder>1024 on TP? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm sure this is a FAQ-Question, but I can't solve it... I have a hard disk with at least 1047 cylinders, and LinuX starts well if I use loadlin with DOS. But if I try to use LILO, it just brings me 'LI' and the a lot of '0101010101', but nothing more. What have I to do? fdisk sais, the hard disk has 1047 cylinder, 16 heads, and 63 sectors. -----cut fdisk----- Disk /dev/hda: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 1047 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 1 508 256000+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(253, 31, 63) should be (253, 15, 63) /dev/hda2 509 509 1016 256032 83 Linux native /dev/hda3 1017 1017 1047 15624 82 Linux swap ----cut fdisk----- any suggestions? Ciao, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:80/~wagner/ Rince@IRC "Connecting to Reality" (Reality's Smart Investor gives this message when logging on) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 20:17:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27387; Fri, 13 Oct 95 20:17:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08998; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:16:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:15:08 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08812; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:15:05 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:14:38 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:14:28 +0100 Message-Id: <37106.9510140014@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) Does anyone have a quick summary (one liners for each submodel) of the differences between 750, 750C, 750Cs, 750P?, 755xx? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 21:04:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00380; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:04:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14262; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:03:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:02:22 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14154; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:02:20 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:52:01 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:51:50 +0100 Message-Id: <14155.9510140051@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs I have the TP750Cs which has just a little metal loop which can be extended past the edge of the thinkpad by moving a level on the base of the unit. The level also locks the keyboard closed. Since all of the newer units have gone to the MacIntosh (Kingston?) locking device, where can one get a security cable for the older TP750's? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 21:25:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06301; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:25:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16770; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:25:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:23:42 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16554; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:23:40 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA03613; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:23:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:23:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: ucklw08 Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) In-Reply-To: <37106.9510140014@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > Does anyone have a quick summary (one liners for each submodel) of > the differences between 750, 750C, 750Cs, 750P?, 755xx? Good question. Here's how I understand it: 750 series - 486SL/33, 4MB RAM standard, 2.88MB floppy, 9.5" mono screen, Crystal Semi sound (SB emulation in software), max 8-bit color P: +Pen, folding screen Cs: +10.4" dual scan color C: +10.4" TFT Ce: +10.4" TFT, 486DX2/66?, special order model only 755 original series - 486DX4/75, 4MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, Crystal Semi sound (SB emulation in software) with built-in mic, max 16-bit color. (As 750 but new processor, 1.44MB floppy, 16-bit color, no mono model, +mic) Cs: +10.4" dual scan color C: +10.4" TFT 755CD/CV series - 486DX4/75, 8MB RAM, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port, MIDI out. (As 755 but 8MB RAM, DSP, IR, MIDI out) CD: +10.4" TFT, video/s-video in/out, CD-ROM drive CV: +10.4" TFT usuable on overhead CDV: all features of CD and CV 755CE series - 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port. (As 755 but 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM, DSP, IR) CE: +10.4" TFT CE: +10.4" TFT (800x600) CSE: +10.4" dual scan color They all come (came) with different standard hard drive sizes, but they're all interchangable (the 750 series needs a BIOS update to use the 540+MB drives). Did I miss anything? ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 21:30:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06328; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:30:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17293; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:30:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:29:28 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17206; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:29:27 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA18486; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:29:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:29:31 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510140129.AA18486@nile.gnat.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs "Since all of the newer units have gone to the Mac locking" Not true, the CX I bought quite recently still has the little loop. The 701 has the Mac socket, but as far as I know this is the only thinkpad that does, anyone know more? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 21:32:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07358; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:32:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17601; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:31:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:31:02 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17511; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:31:00 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA18497; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:31:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:31:11 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510140131.AA18497@nile.gnat.com> To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu John, you wrote 755CE series - 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port. (As 755 but 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM, DSP, IR) CE: +10.4" TFT CE: +10.4" TFT (800x600) CSE: +10.4" dual scan color are you sure this is right, I thought only the 755CX came with the 800x600 screen. In any case, you certainly missed the 755CX from your listings. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 22:02:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09044; Fri, 13 Oct 95 22:02:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21083; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:02:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:44 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20739; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:41 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA03670; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) In-Reply-To: <9510140131.AA18497@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > John, you wrote > > 755CE series - 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, > DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port. > (As 755 but 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM, DSP, IR) > CE: +10.4" TFT > CE: +10.4" TFT (800x600) > CSE: +10.4" dual scan color > > are you sure this is right, I thought only the 755CX came with the 800x600 > screen. In any case, you certainly missed the 755CX from your listings. Ok, ok. I guess it's true what they say about higher brain functions not becoming active until a while after you wake up. :) The CE only comes in 640x480. In the 755CE series, add (for lack of a better place to put it): CX: +10.4" TFT, P75 processor, Li-ion battery (optional), DSP (optional) CX: +10.4" TFT (800x600), P75 processor, Li-ion battery ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 22:12:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09752; Fri, 13 Oct 95 22:12:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22139; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:11:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:10:53 -0400 Received: from cln.etc.bc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22056; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:10:50 -0400 Received: from sparky.etc.bc.ca by cln.etc.bc.ca for tp750@cs.utk.edu (4.1/1.39) id AA25942; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:10:20 PDT Received: from ppreside.gov.bc.ca etc.bc.ca (DIALIP173.gov.bc.ca) by sparky.etc.bc.ca (4.1//ident-1.0) id AA22299; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:08:02 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:08:00 PDT Message-Id: <9510140208.AA22299@sparky.etc.bc.ca> X-Sender: ppreside@pop.etc.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "John H. Kim" From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) Cc: ucklw08 , tp750@cs.utk.edu I have just ordered a 755 CDV but with a Pentium 75 processor and 1.2 gig drive. Pat At 09:23 PM 95 10 13 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: >On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > >> Does anyone have a quick summary (one liners for each submodel) of >> the differences between 750, 750C, 750Cs, 750P?, 755xx? > >Good question. Here's how I understand it: > >750 series - 486SL/33, 4MB RAM standard, 2.88MB floppy, 9.5" mono screen, >Crystal Semi sound (SB emulation in software), max 8-bit color > P: +Pen, folding screen > Cs: +10.4" dual scan color > C: +10.4" TFT > Ce: +10.4" TFT, 486DX2/66?, special order model only > >755 original series - 486DX4/75, 4MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono >model, Crystal Semi sound (SB emulation in software) with built-in mic, >max 16-bit color. >(As 750 but new processor, 1.44MB floppy, 16-bit color, no mono model, +mic) > Cs: +10.4" dual scan color > C: +10.4" TFT > >755CD/CV series - 486DX4/75, 8MB RAM, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, DSP >modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port, MIDI out. >(As 755 but 8MB RAM, DSP, IR, MIDI out) > CD: +10.4" TFT, video/s-video in/out, CD-ROM drive > CV: +10.4" TFT usuable on overhead > CDV: all features of CD and CV > >755CE series - 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, >DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port. >(As 755 but 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM, DSP, IR) > CE: +10.4" TFT > CE: +10.4" TFT (800x600) > CSE: +10.4" dual scan color > >They all come (came) with different standard hard drive sizes, but >they're all interchangable (the 750 series needs a BIOS update to >use the 540+MB drives). Did I miss anything? >___________________________________________________________________________ >John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design >jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the >jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams > > > > O _ | Pat Presidente | ======= | Technology Resource Teacher | |_-/_| | ppreside@cln.etc.bc.ca | P R E Z | SD 72 425 Pinecrest Rd | | | | 604-286-0651 Fx 286-9801 | ======= | Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | =======|"It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-JP | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 22:23:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10344; Fri, 13 Oct 95 22:23:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23402; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:23:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:22:25 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23323; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:22:21 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA03700; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:21:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Pat Presidente Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) In-Reply-To: <9510140208.AA22299@sparky.etc.bc.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Pat Presidente wrote: > I have just ordered a 755 CDV but with a Pentium 75 processor and > 1.2 gig drive. I just checked IBM's web site and he's right. Somewhere, sometime IBM changed the CD to a P75. The CV and CDV also use a P75. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 23:18:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12947; Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:18:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29129; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:18:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:16:40 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28910; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:16:38 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA07169; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:16:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9510140316.AA07169@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9510140129.AA18486@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 13, 95 09:29:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > "Since all of the newer units have gone to the Mac locking" > > Not true, the CX I bought quite recently still has the little loop. > The 701 has the Mac socket, but as far as I know this is the only > thinkpad that does, anyone know more? Double not true... :) The "mac socket" has nothing to do with Macintosh computers; it's the Kensington Microsaver. Swing by a CompUSA or something similar and have a look at one. Nothing is permanently inserted into the Thinkpad -- the lock has a sort of "T" that turns sideways to lock into the slot and a pair of "fingers" to keep someone from turning it. It's easier if you go look at it. The traditional "mac socket" is a one-way slot into which to put a metal tab; the tab snaps into place and cannot be removed. This is not how the Microsaver slot works. I think all of the later 755's have the socket; check IBM's web page. It's on the right-side of my 755CX, above the hard disk tab. Heck, the Compaq Aero I had for a while (before I gave it to my fiancee) has a Kensignton Microsaver socket. I bought that machine about a year and a half ago. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 23:27:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13378; Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:27:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00341; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:27:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:26:58 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00267; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:26:57 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:25:59 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:25:53 +0100 Message-Id: <12260.9510140325@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, lrj@hepth.cornell.edu Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Yes, yes, but -- where do you get a decent locking device for the hard disk tab on the TP750CS? I'd like to know where I can get a decent device to at least put a light leash on this little beast. Better yet, has anyone seen a better solution for securing Thinkpads without Kensington lock? I am a bit skittish about this because I had my old TI2000 stolen from a locked room, in a locked department, under guard by Israeli security some years ago when I visited Israel on a consulting assignment. I don't want a repeat of this misadventure. It caused me to go with a huge desktop box tied down with big screds and locks for too long. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 23:47:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14968; Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:47:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02637; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:47:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:46:09 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02336; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:46:07 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA18712; Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:46:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:46:15 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510140346.AA18712@nile.gnat.com> To: lrj@hepth.cornell.edu Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Oh that's quite different from what I am talking about, which is a round shaped hole into which a lock slips. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 05:33:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08851; Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:33:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11866; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:33:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:29:51 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10428; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:29:42 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:29 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Cc: dewar@nile.gnat.com, lrj@hepth.cornell.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:25:53 +0100 from ucklw08 Subject: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs Yes, yes, but -- where do you get a decent locking device for the hard disk tab on the TP750CS? I'd like to know where I can get a decent device to at least put a light leash on this little beast. Better yet, has anyone seen a better solution for securing Thinkpads without Kensington lock? I use a small padlock in conjunction with a regular-size PC locking cable. I forget the cable manufacturer, but it is one of the standard brands that is available everywhere. The cable is attached to my desk with some kind of strong adhesive. The lock is a small Master padlock I obtained from a hardware store. It's the largest lock that I could find that would fit in the hole. It won't stop anyone with a decent set of bolt cutters, but it will stop anyone who walks into my office and wants to grab the machine and get out fast. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 05:37:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09102; Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:37:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12855; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:37:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:34:57 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12321; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:34:54 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:34 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:09:50 EDT from Subject: NO SUBJECT Warp connect contains IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 V3.0, not otherwise available. Also contains NDIS drivers and MPTS (nee LAPS) for many NICs, including ethernet and tokenring. usual clients, but not DNS nor NFS without getting those seperately (still at v2.0) and applying APARs. I believe X11 to be there (i didn't install it), programmers toolkit is still extra, and it supports only SLIP (although a PPP stack is available at ftp.ibm.net). It will support up to eight SLIP connections. X11 isn't included with the Connect package. CSLIP is also included. I believe that PPP is included, although I don't remember -- if not I must have installed it after the fact. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 05:39:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09116; Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:39:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12983; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:39:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:38:34 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12905; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:38:31 -0400 Received: from dec3300.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA34684; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 03:36:15 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by dec3300.cuug.ab.ca (5.65//ident-1.0) id AA06796; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 03:38:26 -0600 Message-Id: <9510140938.AA06796@dec3300.cuug.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Lilo with cylinder>1024 on TP? To: wagner@bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Hanno Wagner) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 03:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Hanno Wagner" at Oct 14, 95 00:56:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hi, > I'm sure this is a FAQ-Question, but I can't solve it... > I have a hard disk with at least 1047 cylinders, and LinuX starts well if > I use loadlin with DOS. But if I try to use LILO, it just brings me 'LI' > and the a lot of '0101010101', but nothing more. > What have I to do? I've seen this and what you need to do is add a line to your /etc/lilo.conf file. I think the command is "nolinear"? I found it in the lilo documentation though it was kinda hard to see (a friend had the same problem with a 360CSE and I figured the info had to be somewhere!). Good luck! If this doesn't work then there are some other options (maybe the compact one?) - try them. +----------------------------Ren & Stimpy--------------------------------+ | "Psst. Hey Guido. It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the | | cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it. That's | | why he's gonna kill us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah. Before he lets | | loose the marmosets on us! Don't worry, little missy! I'll save you!" | +------------------ Brad Pepers -- pepersb@cuug.ab.ca -------------------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 06:11:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10804; Sat, 14 Oct 95 06:11:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12303; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:34:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:33:24 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11979; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:33:21 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:32 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: wagner@bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:56:19 +0100 (MET) from Hanno Wagner Subject: Lilo with cylinder>1024 on TP? Hi, I'm sure this is a FAQ-Question, but I can't solve it... I have a hard disk with at least 1047 cylinders, and LinuX starts well if I use loadlin with DOS. But if I try to use LILO, it just brings me 'LI' and the a lot of '0101010101', but nothing more. What have I to do? fdisk sais, the hard disk has 1047 cylinder, 16 heads, and 63 sectors. -----cut fdisk----- Disk /dev/hda: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 1047 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 1 508 256000+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(253, 31, 63) should be (253, 15, 63) /dev/hda2 509 509 1016 256032 83 Linux native /dev/hda3 1017 1017 1047 15624 82 Linux swap ----cut fdisk----- any suggestions? I think the problem is that Linux is configuring your disk with a different number of cylinders than is DOS. My experience with DOS is that it will simulate a different geometry in order to keep the number of cylinders below 1024; in your case I bet it is using 523 cylinders, 32 heads, and 63 sectors (check this using DOS fdisk). If you force Linux to use the same geometry, it will work; you can do this with a Lilo command line parameter: "hd=523,32,63". From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 09:22:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22122; Sat, 14 Oct 95 09:22:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29240; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:22:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:19:16 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28910; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:19:02 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA07863; Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:18:23 +0100 Message-Id: <9510141318.AA07863@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:18:23 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux 1.3.34 on 755CX loses keyboard after a while Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk As the title says, using the latest linux kernel, after a few keystrokes (~50-200), the keyboard no longer responds (although the linux kernel is still running ok). Has anyone else experienced this? Are there any cures? /ivo welch From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 11:41:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00056; Sat, 14 Oct 95 11:41:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13156; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 11:40:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 11:33:35 -0400 Received: from rmii.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12246; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 11:33:33 -0400 Received: from slip1140.rmii.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #4) id m0t48X7-000JbnC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 09:29 MDT Message-Id: X-Sender: lee@rmii.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:34:39 -0600 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: lee@rmii.com (Lee Stewart) Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs >I use a small padlock in conjunction with a regular-size PC locking >cable. I forget the cable manufacturer, but it is one of the standard >brands that is available everywhere. The cable is attached to my desk >with some kind of strong adhesive. I use something very similar. Only I wanted a longer cable so I went into my local hardware store and had them make one for me. Mine's made of plastic covered stainless steel cable, 8 feet long with a loop at each end. The loops are formed with crimped steel things that don't look like they'd ever come off. I'll loop it around something, then lock the cable to the laptop with the small padlock. My last trip I was glad to have the long cable - the only thing I could find to loop it around in the hotel room was all the way around a dresser... Lee Stewart - 755C From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 15:20:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15917; Sat, 14 Oct 95 15:20:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25680; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:19:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:16:57 -0400 Received: from inforamp.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25563; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:16:53 -0400 Received: from ts13-07.inforamp.net by inforamp.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29548; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:16:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:16:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9510141916.AA29548@inforamp.net> X-Sender: plexxus@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "John H. Kim" From: plexxus@inforamp.net (John Allman) Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu There are actually TP 755 CD models in both 486DX4/100's in 540& 810 MB configurations and also P75's in 810mb & 1.2gb configurations. John Allman >On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Pat Presidente wrote: > >> I have just ordered a 755 CDV but with a Pentium 75 processor and >> 1.2 gig drive. > >I just checked IBM's web site and he's right. Somewhere, sometime >IBM changed the CD to a P75. The CV and CDV also use a P75. >___________________________________________________________________________ >John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design >jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the >jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | John Allman |Creativity is the sudden cessation | | Plexxus Technologies Inc. |of stupidity. - Edwin Land | | Markham (Toronto), Ontario | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 15:45:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17374; Sat, 14 Oct 95 15:45:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26839; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:44:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:43:55 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26743; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:43:52 -0400 Received: from dec3300.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA07278; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:41:38 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by dec3300.cuug.ab.ca (5.65//ident-1.0) id AA23928; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:43:45 -0600 Message-Id: <9510141943.AA23928@dec3300.cuug.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Linux 1.3.34 on 755CX loses keyboard after a while To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9510141318.AA07863@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> from "Ivo Welch" at Oct 14, 95 02:18:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As the title says, using the latest linux kernel, after a few keystrokes > (~50-200), the keyboard no longer responds (although the linux kernel is > still running ok). Has anyone else experienced this? Are there any cures? > > /ivo welch The 1.3.x kernels are development kernels and things will be broken. You must either back up to a 1.3.x kernel that mostly works, find the problem and fix it in 1.3.34, wait for 1.3.35 and hope someone has found and fixed the problem, or go back to the 1.2.x kernels which are the stable ones. I recomend sticking to the stable 1.2.x kernels unless there is an absolute need to use a 1.3.x kernel. +----------------------------Ren & Stimpy--------------------------------+ | "Psst. Hey Guido. It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the | | cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it. That's | | why he's gonna kill us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah. Before he lets | | loose the marmosets on us! Don't worry, little missy! I'll save you!" | +------------------ Brad Pepers -- pepersb@cuug.ab.ca -------------------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 11:50:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00450; Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:50:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14053; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:49:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:42:24 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13328; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:42:22 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01342; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:42:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: irda questions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was saving my money to buy a desktop Internet server but IBM is having a special offer on the TP701 (search for '701' in comp.sys.laptops for more details). I'm seriously considering getting one of those while retiring my TP750 mono as a server (complete with built-in UPS :). The 701 doesn't have a serial port in it's maximum-portability configuration so I'm looking into buying an IR port for the 750 (which I can later use with any desktop system I buy). How much have you guys with the newer Thinkpads played around with the infra-red port? Does it work as a standard serial link? Can Linux use it? Would it be possible to establish a PPP link over it? (And yes, I know the 750 doesn't have a 16550 UART - a slow connection will suffice for most of what I do, and if I really need speed I can just yank out the ethernet card and plug it into the 701) ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 12:13:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06349; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:13:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16646; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:13:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:12:05 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16426; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:12:02 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29107; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:15:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: ucklw08 Cc: dewar@nile.gnat.com, lrj@hepth.cornell.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs In-Reply-To: <12260.9510140325@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My solution to the locking problem was to get a Master lock which is slightly better than a luggage lock (this one would take a particularly sturdy ballpoint pen to break, as opposed to any ballpoint) and a 5 foot length of chain from the hardware store. Drilled two holes in my desk, put a U bolt through it and one end of the chain. In all seriousness, the lock _might_ be cuttable with a pair of diagonal cutters, definately with the smallers of bolt cutters. However, it accomplishes the _real_ purpose of any security device, which is to make it annoying enough that the thief will probably go steal your officemate's unlocked laptop instead of investing the extra 3 minutes in yours. All that being said, I think www.warrior.com has a lock that fits the Pad tab, but it's a lot more expensive than a master lock and length of chain... From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 12:37:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08303; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:37:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18674; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:36:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:35:16 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18519; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:35:12 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:33:57 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:33:58 +0100 Message-Id: <17694.9510151633@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: dwhite@shadow.net, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs Cc: dewar@nile.gnat.com, lrj@hepth.cornell.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Road Warrior also has a security device which screws into the parallel port. It looks a lot more secure than IBM's small extendable disk tab. So, for the moment I have a decent small lock and cable on IBM's disk tab -- and I'll get the Road Warrior Parallel Port locking device next week. I still need to lock the disk tab though to keep the keyboard closed so people are unable to walk off with battery, disk etc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 12:46:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08326; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:46:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19130; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:45:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:44:36 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18982; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:44:35 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA22071 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:44:18 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510151644.MAA22071@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:44:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text I took my computer (TP750C) to Micro Center on 9/30/95 for repairs, along w/ my Dock II. Here are the problems that I listed: CPU: -LCD exhibits ghosting -floppy drive has CRC read errors -keyboard's letters are coming off -possible problem w/ IDE interface (dunno if it's the computer or the Dock II Dock II: -mouse doesn't wake up from suspend or when computer is turned on unless it is unplugged and replugged into the dock -putting IDE drives into the dock ii and connecting them to the ide cable results in the computer either locking up when powered on or nonrecognition of the drive Sooo....Micro Center, being an IBM repair center took one look at it and then EZ-served it to IBM. Now here's the weird thing... One week passes... I call IBM and ask about the stauts of my computer undergoing EZ-serve, and they can't find it in the computer, even when I've given them the correct serial number. This is this past Thursday (1.5 weeks after I originally dropped it off at Micro Center). Now, I call Micro Center and they say "we don't have it from IBM" Hmm.... Friday morning: I get this box from Technology Services Solutions in North Carolina. It's my Dock II. Soooo....where's my IBM CPU? I look at the EZ server report, and it has a case number, along w/ the technician's name. Friday afternoon...finally someone from Micro Center calls back and says that the Thinkpad is there. Weird, isn't it? I have my Dock II going home and my thinkpad going to micro center... I go to micro center, and then get the computer. I go home and open the comptuer, and read the EZ-serve report. It appears the same technician who looked at the dock ii looked at the cpu. The technician replaced the floppy, the system board, the lcd, and THE HARD DRIVE!!!! (Remember, as I said earlier, on the list of problems, there was NEVER any mention that the hard drive was bad! In fact, I'd been using it perfectly fine till I brought in my computer!) There wasn't anything WRONG with the hard drive! I was running it fine! Furthermore, my 32 Mb of RAM is missing!!!!! Called up micro center immediately..."It's an IBM problem," they say. Assholes. They didn't even really want to deal w/ me. "Did you buy it here?" No, of course not, dumbass...you guys are an IBM service center! Called up IBM.. "We don't have any record of having your computer!!" Huh!??? Furthermore, to complicate matters, my IBM notebook's EZ serve sheet has a case number of "BLIND" instead of a normal number like "45c143" or something like that. Anyways... Someone SOMEWHERE dropped the ball. And I NEED my hard drive back, as there was a lot of sensitive information on it that I cannot get back. Furthermore, since my dock ii was not acting corectly, I never made a backup of all 60 Mb of thee stuff. I was furthermore told by the dumbasses at Micro Center that they'd call me if they had to do ANYTHING to the hard drive! Now, when I boot my comptuer, i get the original factory preloaded software, and this nice "cute" thinkpad 755 demo (yes a 755 demo on a tp750c...). This is BS! I can't even load stuff off of SCSI since the Dock II's SCSI seems to now be broken! I can't boot off scsi drive anymore! Normally, when I set a scsi drive to id 0, i could boot off of it, and the computer on bootup would say "Adaptec scsi bios. SCSI ID0: Syquest s270 Drive D:" Now it doesn't say drive D:...it just goes into dos by booting off C: even when i set the drive in the bios to boot! Furthermore, the IDE is STILL not functioning! I still can't use any ide drives in the dock ii! ARRRGH I'm A LOT worse off... I can't even install OS/2, since I have 4 Mb of RAM now (instead of 36 Mb!)! Fux this! Any ideas on who to talk to, and what else to do? Heck...anyone know about the possibility of getting a new computer from IBM to use in the interim since I NEED to use a comptuer asap!??? Anyone ever had such a horror story? Man! I think they should give me a new comptuer to use for now or something. This is BS! On top of having to wait two weeks, now they have screwed up somewhere, and I'm STILL having problems! I'll be outta service for yet another month while this is ironed out! The couldn't find me in the computer database either. Something's not right here!!!!! Using a 030 mac just doesn't cut it. What can I do?? Who can I talk to??? Micro Center's been passing the buck, and I have to wait until Monday to call the people who "repaired" my machine! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 14:18:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13702; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:18:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22959; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:17:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:15:37 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22778; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:15:33 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA45323; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 18:15:13 GMT Message-Id: <199510151815.AA45323@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 19:08:06 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Comic scenary from IBM EMEA Hi to all! I'd wish let you have a little bit fun with this little "story"... Some days ago I took my TP755CD at IBM service here in Rome, Italy, as my Trackpoint wasn't properly functioning: being on guarantee period, no problem at all. They called me after one day, and I got my Thinkpad back with a brand new keyboard. Whit a big surprise, when I was back at my office, I opened te cover and...I found an italian keyboard, instead my original USA one...! Immediately i called back IBM online, that, after all pragmatic excuses, said me to go back to service, and let them change the keyboard. Right done and, after one day more, finally myThinkpad was back again on my desktop. Good, no more italian keyboard, but...a UK one...!!! Aaaargh! I took it again at service, making some trouble (naturly) and, with my big surprise, I received the following answer from the technicians: -"...we're very sorry, but all over Italy we haven't a USA keyboard available...". When he was telling me so, he had on his hands a beautiful case, with an original ARABIAN keyboard inside...!!! :-) That's incredible, but true! I must wait for months, probably...? Ciao, Alberto From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 14:54:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15992; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:54:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26563; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:53:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:52:32 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26492; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:52:31 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA28215; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:52:24 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510151852.OAA28215@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chan4@fas.harvard.edu In-Reply-To: from "John H. Kim" at Oct 15, 95 01:15:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > > My non-legal advice: > > On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: > > > Sooo....Micro Center, being an IBM repair center took one look at it and > > then EZ-served it to IBM. > > Does this mean Micro Center EZ-served it on their own, or that they > EZ-served it to IBM with your authorization? I had reported the problems to IBM before. They said, "you can send it in or drop it at an authorized IBM repair center..." I chose the latter since I live right next door to micro center. So...when I brought it there, i said to the lady, "They'll call if they have to swap the computer right? I have a hard drive in there..." "Yeah, we always call before doing anything like that." They apparently sent in my computer in under their name and my dock ii under my name. I don't understand what's happening. Anyways... The buck's being passed around. Who exactly do I speak with at IBM? I can't UNDERSTAND why they changed my hd when there WAS NOTHING WRONG with it that I could find! Furthermore, where the heck is my 32 Mb of RAM???? ARRGH -- Derek V. Chan chan4@fas.harvard.edu dchan@cybercom.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 14:57:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15998; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:57:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27155; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:56:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:56:19 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27067; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:56:16 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 19:56:01 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 19:56:02 +0100 Message-Id: <78354.9510151856@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: PC-DOS 5.02 vs. MS-DOS 6.22 -- Advantages/Disadvantages for TP750? My TP750Cs came with PC-DOS 5.02 installed. I use MS-DOS 6.22 extensively on my desktop computer. Is there any advantage to PS-DOS 5.02 or a newer PC-DOS 7 vs. MS-DOS 6.22 for use on the Thinkpad 750Cs? Does PC-DOS have better integration in some respect to the Thinkpad? Do I lose anything by switching to PC-DOS 6.22? Does anyone have experience with MS-DOS on TP? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 14:59:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16372; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:59:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27271; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:58:15 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27202; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:58:14 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA29811; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:58:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:58:08 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510151858.AA29811@nile.gnat.com> To: dchan@cybercom.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve Cc: chan4@fas.harvard.edu one thing when sending a thinkpad in for servce, you are advised to remove all removalable stuff that does not need servicing (i.e. memory, PCMCIA cards, diskette, battery, hard drive. From this anecdote, it seems that this is good advice! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 15:06:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17363; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:06:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28305; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:06:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:04:53 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27902; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:04:50 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 20:04:35 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 20:04:36 +0100 Message-Id: <74638.9510151904@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: dchan@cybercom.net, dewar@nile.gnat.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve Cc: chan4@fas.harvard.edu Moreover, never loan or ship a notebook to anyone else (including IBM technicians) without (1) doing a full backup with verification and (2) ascertaining that in the event of loss or damage a specific insurance company will compensate you for the full replacement value of your PC. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 15:22:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18115; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:22:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29925; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:22:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:20:40 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29739; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:20:27 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA29743; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:20:14 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510151920.PAA29743@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9510151858.AA29811@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 15, 95 02:58:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text I was never advised... Furthermore, there was nothing wrong with the HD! So why the heck did they change it? Furthermore, Micro Center said they'd call if there were any problems w/ the HD. And YES..I do have backups, but I can't mount the SCSI ('cause the Dock II is STILL broken!) and the backup is a 2 months old. (I'd be able to get perhaps a more recent backup f I could mount the IDE drive w/ os/2 but I can't even do THAT since my memory is gone... From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 15:27:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18129; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:27:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00636; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:11 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00566; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:09 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00272; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:05 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510151926.PAA00272@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve To: Mark3M@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <951015150317_45161010@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Mark3M@aol.com" at Oct 15, 95 03:03:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > > I would recommend contacting the customer relations department at IBM. Also, > you might want to talk to the manager at Micro Center. I talked to the manager at Micro Center. He said...it's not our problem. It's IBM's problem. They messed up. Nope. Not us. We just looked at it and sent it to IBM. A*shole.... I asked him for the number of their head office at Columbus, Ohio... > Always deal with someone at a position of authority rather than the usual > phone operators whenever you have a major problem. > No kidding. I'm not sure WHO to talk to right now. I tried on the weekend (sat. to get through, but only got as far as reporting a "case number" > I've dealt with customer relations at IBM after they couldn't fix my Thinkpad > 510Cs for the fifth time. As a result, I bargained with them and got an > upgrade to a 755C for an additional ~$660. Total purchase from my side was > $2200 for a $3400+ computer minus all the time spent dealing with the process > of repairs, etc. > Man...Sheeze...I can't use my CD-ROM or anything! This is the THIRD time I've had to send my computer to IBM for repairs. I'm worse off than I was before... They should send me a new one... > I realize that you have more problems than I had but I hope this helps! > > Good luck! > > Mark (Mark3M@aol.com) > > In a message dated 95-10-15 12:45:51 EDT, you write: > > >I took my computer (TP750C) to Micro Center on 9/30/95 for repairs, along > >w/ my Dock II. > > > >Here are the problems that I listed: > > > >CPU: > > > >-LCD exhibits ghosting > >-floppy drive has CRC read errors > >-keyboard's letters are coming off > >-possible problem w/ IDE interface (dunno if it's the computer or the > >Dock II > > > >Dock II: > > > >-mouse doesn't wake up from suspend or when computer is turned on unless > >it is unplugged and replugged into the dock > >-putting IDE drives into the dock ii and connecting them to the ide > >cable results in the computer either locking up when powered on or > >nonrecognition of the drive > > > >Sooo....Micro Center, being an IBM repair center took one look at it and > >then EZ-served it to IBM. > > > >Now here's the weird thing... > > > >One week passes... > > > >I call IBM and ask about the stauts of my computer undergoing EZ-serve, > >and they can't find it in the computer, even when I've given them the > >correct serial number. This is this past Thursday (1.5 weeks after I > >originally dropped it off at Micro Center). > > > >Now, I call Micro Center and they say "we don't have it from IBM" > > > >Hmm.... > > > >Friday morning: I get this box from Technology Services Solutions in > >North Carolina. It's my Dock II. Soooo....where's my IBM CPU? > > > >I look at the EZ server report, and it has a case number, along w/ the > >technician's name. > > > >Friday afternoon...finally someone from Micro Center calls back and says > >that the Thinkpad is there. Weird, isn't it? I have my Dock II going > >home and my thinkpad going to micro center... > > > >I go to micro center, and then get the computer. > > > >I go home and open the comptuer, and read the EZ-serve report. It > >appears the same technician who looked at the dock ii looked at the cpu. > >The technician replaced the floppy, the system board, the lcd, and THE > >HARD DRIVE!!!! (Remember, as I said earlier, on the list of problems, > >there was NEVER any mention that the hard drive was bad! In fact, I'd > >been using it perfectly fine till I brought in my computer!) > > > >There wasn't anything WRONG with the hard drive! I was running it fine! > >Furthermore, my 32 Mb of RAM is missing!!!!! > > > >Called up micro center immediately..."It's an IBM problem," they say. > >Assholes. They didn't even really want to deal w/ me. "Did you buy it > >here?" No, of course not, dumbass...you guys are an IBM service center! > > > >Called up IBM.. "We don't have any record of having your computer!!" > > > >Huh!??? > > > >Furthermore, to complicate matters, my IBM notebook's EZ serve sheet has > >a case number of "BLIND" instead of a normal number like "45c143" > >or something like that. > > > > > >Anyways... > > > >Someone SOMEWHERE dropped the ball. And I NEED my hard drive back, as > >there was a lot of sensitive information on it that I cannot get back. > >Furthermore, since my dock ii was not acting corectly, I never made a > >backup of all 60 Mb of thee stuff. I was furthermore told by the > >dumbasses at Micro Center that they'd call me if they had to do ANYTHING > >to the hard drive! > > > >Now, when I boot my comptuer, i get the original factory preloaded > >software, and this nice "cute" thinkpad 755 demo (yes a 755 demo on a > >tp750c...). > > > > > >This is BS! > > > > > >I can't even load stuff off of SCSI since the Dock II's SCSI seems to now > >be broken! I can't boot off scsi drive anymore! Normally, when I set a > >scsi drive to id 0, i could boot off of it, and the computer on bootup > >would say "Adaptec scsi bios. SCSI ID0: Syquest s270 Drive D:" > > > >Now it doesn't say drive D:...it just goes into dos by booting off C: > >even when i set the drive in the bios to boot! > > > > > >Furthermore, the IDE is STILL not functioning! I still can't use any ide > >drives in the dock ii! > > > > > >ARRRGH > > > >I'm A LOT worse off... > > > >I can't even install OS/2, since I have 4 Mb of RAM now (instead of 36 Mb!)! > > > >Fux this! > > > >Any ideas on who to talk to, and what else to do? > > > >Heck...anyone know about the possibility of getting a new computer from > >IBM to use in the interim since I NEED to use a comptuer asap!??? Anyone > >ever had such a horror story? > > > >Man! I think they should give me a new comptuer to use for now or > >something. This is BS! > > > >On top of having to wait two weeks, now they have screwed up somewhere, and > >I'm STILL having problems! I'll be outta service for yet another month > >while this is ironed out! > > > >The couldn't find me in the computer database either. Something's not right > > >here!!!!! > > > >Using a 030 mac just doesn't cut it. > > > >What can I do?? Who can I talk to??? Micro Center's been passing the > >buck, and I have to wait until Monday to call the people who "repaired" my > >machine! > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 16 09:34:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28412; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:34:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22205; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:29:39 -0400 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21671; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:29:35 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by relay-4.mail.demon.net id sg.ae05969; 15 Oct 95 18:43 +0100 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa02646; 15 Oct 95 18:42 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by beowulf.demon.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA16584; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 18:42:46 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 18:42:44 +0100 (BST) From: Pete Lynch To: Ivo Welch Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux 1.3.34 on 755CX loses keyboard after a while In-Reply-To: <9510141318.AA07863@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had a similar sounding problem with my Linux 1.2.8 kernel. It turned out that when I accidentally brushed the red mouse button while in text (i.e. non-X) mode the kernel hung. Rebuilding a kernel with mouse support fixed the problem. Interestingly enough, just running DOS without windows will also hang if you touch the mouse button. Pete .............................................................................. . demon is a commercial internet gateway .......... Pete Lynch . . providing access for unrelated users .......... Marlow, England . ................................................... root@beowulf.demon.co.uk . On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Ivo Welch wrote: > > As the title says, using the latest linux kernel, after a few keystrokes > (~50-200), the keyboard no longer responds (although the linux kernel is > still running ok). Has anyone else experienced this? Are there any cures? > > /ivo welch > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 16 10:06:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00117; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:06:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26468; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:05:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:04:04 -0400 Received: from edrtg.ed.ornl.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26207; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:04:03 -0400 Received: (from rtg@localhost) by edrtg.ed.ornl.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA22386; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:06:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:06:03 -0400 From: Rick Goeltz Message-Id: <199510161406.KAA22386@edrtg.ed.ornl.gov> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Summary: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously Reply-To: rtg@ornl.gov TP'ers: This 755cx was DOA--it just took a while to see that. Its condition deteriorated quickly after my post and it appears to have serious hardware problems. It's in the shop. Two replies indicated that similar behavior can be caused by bad memory. Thanks. Rick From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 16 13:54:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18344; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:54:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18904; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:53:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:44:24 -0400 Received: from speed3.speed.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17913; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:44:11 -0400 From: Received: from kprince.earthlink.net (kprince.earthlink.net [204.119.175.51]) by speed3.speed.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA18539 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:43:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:49:37 PDT Subject: Subscribe To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 16 14:37:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22163; Mon, 16 Oct 95 14:37:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23254; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:37:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:36:07 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23139; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:36:05 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0457; Mon, 16 Oct 95 14:30:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9510162130.AA0457@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id BC93B0E862CE958D852562570061BD4A; Mon, 16 Oct 95 14:30:12 To: rtg Cc: TP750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 16 Oct 95 14:29:32 EDT Subject: Re: Summary: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....Two replies indicated that similar behavior can be caused by bad memory...." ~~~~~ i've seen 4 different 360c's and one 755c experience random rebooting. ibm's initial response was to blame it on the ic dram cards, but swapping them with working laptops, and using ibm's own dram cards proved that the memory was not to blame. it turns out that the dram card sockets on these thinkpads are prone to going bad. the biggest problem with troubleshooting these lockups is that by pulling the dram card out & reseating it, the lockups will go away for a while. after you've reseated it several times and the problem still occurs after a week or so, tech support will have you try a different dram card. well, by pulling out the old one and inserting the new one, you have, again, *temporarily* solved the problem (which may be good enough for them, depending on who answers the phone when you call). it was rough going, but ever since we figured it out, ezserv has been great about replacing the system board when this happens and i haven't had any problems with any of the replacements. the plastic piece that sits underneath the dram cards in the 360 series, and some of the 755 series, doesn't have the half-height frame built onto it to hold the card in place. this frame (which comes in most other 755's i've seen) actually makes it a pain to take out dram cards & probably results in as much stress on the socket as having no frame. ibm did try to fix one of the 360's once by giving us a new plastic piece with this frame on it, to replace the old piece, but the socket had already gone bad, so they ended up swapping the whole board. in any case, the 755c has the frame & still had the same lockup problem, solved by a new system board. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 13:44:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04353; Tue, 17 Oct 95 13:44:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18049; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:43:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:38:06 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17517; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:37:54 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA13371; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:37:18 +0100 Message-Id: <9510171737.AA13371@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:37:17 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux with mwave and/or sound? Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk Has anyone managed to get the mwave features (sound, modem, fax) to work under linux? Or at least one of them? /ivo welch --- Ivo Welch ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu Assoc Prof of Finance Anderson GSM at UCLA Until Jan 96: London Business School, Finance Dept, iwelch@lbs.lon.ac.uk Sussex Place, London NW1 4SA. England. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 14:46:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10302; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:46:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22134; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:45:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:40:15 -0400 Received: from sh1.ro.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21648; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:40:14 -0400 Received: from d_ramsey (d_ramsey.txport.com [192.207.87.129]) by sh1.ro.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14408 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:47:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199510171847.NAA14408@sh1.ro.com> X-Sender: dramsey@ro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:39:41 -0500 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Don Ramsey Subject: value of tp750c Has anybody on our list seen any used TP prices lately? I'm thinking of unloading my 750C and getting a 760. Mine has a perfect display, 20Mb of ram, and two 340Mb drives. I was wondering what a ballpark value for it would be. Don at dramsey@ro.com in Huntsville, AL From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 15:29:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13427; Tue, 17 Oct 95 15:29:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26496; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:28:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:27:42 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26296; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:27:40 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:27:32 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:27:30 +0100 Message-Id: <39724.9510171927@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: dramsey@ro.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: value of tp750c I watched the London used for sale paper for a couple of months. Used 750C typical price here was 1400 UKP -- the very best deal was 750Cs for 800 UKP (UK pounds) with 12MB RAM, 340MB HD, IBM High Speed FAX / Modem. UK prices are typically identical to US prices in US dollars in higher tech (computer, photo) markets. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 16:41:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20534; Tue, 17 Oct 95 16:41:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04372; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:40:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:38:01 -0400 Received: from explorer.dgp.toronto.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04080; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:37:57 -0400 Received: by explorer.dgp.toronto.edu id <144003>; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:37:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) From: Eugene Fiume To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWAVE 2.0 and FaxWorks 3 Message-Id: <95Oct17.163741edt.144003@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:37:26 -0400 I had trouble with FaxWorks after installing MWAVE 2, and someone suggested that I get the FaxWorks upgrade (now available at ftp.pcco.ibm.com). Unfortunately, I still get the same problem as before (an "MCI error" saying that a certain driver cannot be loaded, and later saying that the discriminator could not be found). So, the obvious question: has anyone got FaxWorks to work under MWAVE 2? Regards, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 17:09:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22027; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:09:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07487; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:09:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:07:51 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07262; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:07:46 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA16669; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:07:37 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA23417; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:07:35 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510172107.OAA23417@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: value of tp750c To: dramsey@ro.com (Don Ramsey) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: <199510171847.NAA14408@sh1.ro.com> from "Don Ramsey" at Oct 17, 95 01:39:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Has anybody on our list seen any used TP prices lately? I'm thinking of > unloading my 750C and getting a 760. Which is the 760--the Pentium model? I've been lost from the list a while and haven't kept up on the thinkpad models... > Mine has a perfect display, 20Mb of > ram, and two 340Mb drives. I was wondering what a ballpark value for it > would be. Also curious--does anyone know if a memory card used in a 750C will work in the 701 Butterfly? I was thinking of moving over, but I'd hate to think I have to dump all my neat little parts & buy new ones... ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 17:20:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22198; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:20:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08600; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:19:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:18:58 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08423; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:18:54 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0-FZ-2.2) id AA25777; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:18:02 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0-FZ-2.2) id AA01119; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:17:36 -0700 From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:17:35 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: What can the Infrared port do? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8bq m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8bq m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I've got a 755CX (40megs RAM/540 meg HD/Xircom CE2 ethernet, Windows 95, soon to be 1.2gig HD and NeXTSTEP), and I'm wondering if there's any software to use the IR ports for TV remotes. I'd like to be able to control my A/V equipment via the built-in IR, as well as be able to talk to my HP48SX with the built-in IR. I looked at the FAQ, and it's *extremely* dated. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy., Napa, CA, 94558 MIME ok, NeXTMail tolerated From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 17:53:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24843; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:53:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11667; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:51:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:49:46 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11306; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:49:44 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA16511; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:49:42 GMT Message-Id: <199510172149.AA16511@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 22:49:23 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Second Hard Disk on a TP755CD Sorry for this silly question: I've heard about the possibility to have 2 HDs on my Thinkpad 755CD. I mean, not with the external docking, but just *INSIDE* the bay. Is it true? Can I have two hard disks on my Thinkpad? Thanks on advance for the answer. Bye by Alby/Warp From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 18:19:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27758; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:19:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13832; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:18:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:17:56 -0400 Received: from vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13762; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:17:52 -0400 Received: from vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.200]) by vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00410 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:00:43 -0400 Received: from SERVER1/MAILQ by vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 95 18:20:35 +1100 Received: from MAILQ by SERVER1 (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 95 18:20:31 +1100 From: "Peter W. Borders" Organization: Business Division - TCC VB To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:20:21 EST Subject: Introductions Reply-To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <17333C4CD7@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us> Well, the welcome message said to introduce myself so here goes. I run a computer lab for a living and have a collection of unusual computers. My Thinkpad is one of the low end models, a 355 Cs. This is not a member of the 350 line, it is more of a cut down 360. I only has one PCMCIA slot (I, II or III), no expansion bus connector and a dual scan screen. Currently I have 8M memory and a Toshiba 528M hard drive, without an "official" IBM case (too tall). I have OS/2 Warp, Linux 1.2.8 and PC-DOS 7.0 installed, each having separate partitions. I use OS/2's boot manager to switch between os's and have been quite pleased on the whole with it. I also have a Media Vision Reno external CD-ROM that works under OS/2 and DOS but not Linux since I have a parallel scsi adaptor. I also have an Iomega Zip drive that I am very happy with, helps lessen the load on the hard drive. I have an Digicom Scout 14.4k PCMCIA modem and an Apex (IBM made) PCMCIA sound card. Now for a couple of questions. Anyone know if it is possible to purchase the hard drive CABLE from IBM? Not the case, just the CABLE. I would think this could be an item to be replaced due to wear. Also, has anyone tried IBM's new MWave based PCMCIA card? I had heard that it supports OS/2 and DOS protected mode games under OS/2, any comments? Sorry if these questions rehash old discusions and feel free to ask me about anything in my configuration. I have been working with Linux since 0.12 so I am pretty good with it. With OS/2 I go back to 1.1 and DOS I actually have a copy of 1.25 if I can find it. Pete using Peter W. Borders Network Engineer - Business Division - Tidewater Community College tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 18:51:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00077; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:51:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16169; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:50:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:49:06 -0400 Received: from BROWNVM.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15956; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:49:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199510172249.SAA15956@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9714; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:45:50 EDT Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin ST402711@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4401; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:45:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:29:50 EDT From: Tim Johnson Subject: Video Drivers To: "Origin of LISTS.TP750" I had a recent unfortunate encounter with a virus, and while I had backed up all my data a mere hours before, I've had to reinstall windows on my 755Cs. I carefully followed the instructions in the users guide for installing dos and windows and all the appropriate drivers, but I had trouble installing the video driver. (I have two video driver discs by my machine, the one that shipped with my machine, labelled v1.30, and the one I downloaded off the ftp server - FTP.PCCO.IBM.COM) According to the instructions, I was to run VINSTALL and select the option "IBM 8511, 8512, 8513, 8517, OR 8518" since I do not have an external display. Then, when running windows, I was to tell it to configure the display to "OTHER" and input the Video Features Diskette (dir a:\win31) when asked. So far so good. When it asked for the video drivers disk, I inserted the Video Features Diskette and was presented with a series of SVGA (WD90C24) options. (I presume the WD90C24 stands for the Western Digital Controller.) I chose the 640x480x256 option - a resolution that the 755Cs should be able to handle.... Unfortunately, Windows informed me that the driver was not compatible with my display and exited from setup abruptly. After trying a couple of different options using both diskettes (1.30 and 1.33) I ended up calling the help line. There I was told (a little brusquely) that I was just to use the VGA. I did as I was told, but the resolution was obviously wrong. (I wasn't getting 256 colors.) So, I ran setup from within Windows and changed to the SVGA (WD90C24) 640x480x256 option that it listed. That gave me the resolution that I remembered - and brings me to my question. What driver is this, is it the same as the driver on the video features disk, and what is the difference between 1.30 and 1.33? (In a related question - updating the ThinkPad Utilities to the current version added a bunch of features. But I was unable to get the updated Audio Features file from the FTP site to uncompress. Has anyone else had this problem? I mentioned it to the support folks on the help line and they assured me that I was mistaken, it actually does uncompress itself just fine. I didn't argue with them.) -Tim From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 20:09:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07514; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:09:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20550; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:08:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:05:57 -0400 Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20409; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:05:53 -0400 Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id UAA22130; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:05:19 -0400 Date: 17 Oct 95 20:01:49 EDT From: "Murray E. Milligan" <72704.232@compuserve.com> To: Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Still taking votes on changing the list? Message-Id: <951018000148_72704.232_FHP83-1@CompuServe.COM> I've been lurking in the background for some time. Since the recent threads were talking about changing the TP listserv, I'd like to throw in my 2 bits. I have and use a TP 340CSE, the non-USA available version. If we are changing the list, perhaps we can open the group to discussion on all TPs. Thoughts or comments? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 20:12:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08154; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:12:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20877; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:12:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:11:11 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20751; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:11:10 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA2788; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:05:27 -0700 Message-Id: <9510180305.AA2788@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id EC2C20AAD47ECF758525625800807488; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:05:17 To: Tim Johnson Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 17 Oct 95 19:30:59 EDT Subject: Re: Video Drivers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....I chose the 640x480x256 option - a resolution that the 755Cs should be able to handle.... Unfortunately, Windows informed me that the driver was not compatible with my display and exited from setup abruptly...." ~~~~~ the advice that tech support gave you is correct, and i don't think your problem was related to the version of the video driver that you were using. when installing windoze, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS select VGA. then, once it is installed and you reboot, you can set it to the resolution you want. microsoft should emboss this on the installation diskettes. i don't even know why it causes problems, but it does-- and not just on thinkpads. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 21:56:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14193; Tue, 17 Oct 95 21:56:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28932; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:55:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:37 -0400 Received: from cs.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28738; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:36 -0400 Received: from jones.cs.brown.edu (jones.cs.brown.edu [128.148.38.144]) by cs.brown.edu (8.6.10/Bullwinkle1.1) with ESMTP id VAA17895 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:30 -0400 From: Sridhar Ramaswamy Received: (sr@localhost) by jones.cs.brown.edu (8.6.9/BrownCS1.0) id VAA04329 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199510180152.VAA04329@jones.cs.brown.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: xfree86 on 755cx Hi, I have been a lurker in this list for a while now. I finally have my thinkpad and have a few questions. I have a 755cx with the svga display, and a 810 Meg hard drive. I plan to run linux on it. I know from previous discussions that a couple of members on this list have had success with this, especially with the troublesome X configguration. Can any of the people who run Xfree86 on the cx send me their XFconfig file? I would be very grateful. Any other hints about this would be very much appreciated as well. I will try to record my experience with loading linux on the cx and post it to the mailing list. Right now, I am using the pre-loaded Os2/warp software to run slip. It is so incredibly slow! This seems to be half as fast as my sparc 1 running at 9600 baud. (I am usin the uwave modem on the thinkpad at 14.4k and ping reports average travel time of nearly 500ms to my slip server!) Have others had similar experiences with os/2 slip? Many thanks, and hi to all, --Sridhar From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 22:47:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17754; Tue, 17 Oct 95 22:47:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02521; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:46:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:44:39 -0400 Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02316; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:44:38 -0400 Received: (from ean@localhost) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA28897 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:44:03 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=ca/ADMD=telecom.canada/C=ca/; Relayed; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:44:01 UTC-0700 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:44:01 UTC-0700 X400-Originator: goldberg@cs.ubc.ca X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=ca/ADMD=telecom.canada/C=ca/;951017194401] Content-Identifier: 6037 From: "Murray W. Goldberg" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <"6037*goldberg@cs.ubc.ca"@MHS> Subject: XFree86/FreeBSD on a 360 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Ean X.400 to MIME gateway) Hi. Well, thanks to the help of several people, FreeBSD is running nicely on my 360C. Now for X. First - the important question: - I am using PCVT and scanset=2 because of the unusual keyboard. When I try and start the X server, it complains that it found the pcvt driver, but that it doesn't seem to support X. I am using the VGA16 server. Any suggestions would be welcome (is anyone running freebsd and X on a thinkpad - I hope this is not an impossible combination!). Second (assuming the first is worked out) - the VGA16 server claims to do 4-bit color, but the 360C claims 8-bit VGA color. Am I stuck with 16 colors? No big deal, but 256 would be better. Well - thanks. Any help would be appreciated. Oh - one more bonus question (more appropriate for the freebsd group): is support for the USR 28.8 PCMCIA modem in FreeBSD in the works? Thanks - Murray goldberg@cs.ubc.ca Instructor - Senior Faculty Advisor Dept. of Computer Science University of British Columbia From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 23:00:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18558; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:00:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03347; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:59:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:58:04 -0400 Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03252; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:57:59 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22731; Tue, 17 Oct 95 21:57:50 CDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 21:57:49 CDT Message-Id: <9510180257.AA22731@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: MWAVE 2.0 and FaxWorks 3 >I had trouble with FaxWorks after installing MWAVE 2, and someone >suggested that I get the FaxWorks upgrade (now available at >ftp.pcco.ibm.com). Unfortunately, I still get the same problem as >before (an "MCI error" saying that a certain driver cannot be loaded, >and later saying that the discriminator could not be found). So, the >obvious question: has anyone got FaxWorks to work under MWAVE 2? > I have been running MWave 2.0 and FaxWorks (voice, messaging, send & receive fax without problem on my 755cx. I am using the Fax Works upgrade. Have you given the ThinkPad Helpline a call? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 23:04:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19150; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:04:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03754; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:04:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:03:38 -0400 Received: from vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03681; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:03:34 -0400 Received: from vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.200]) by vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA00675 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:46:30 -0400 Received: from SERVER1/MAILQ by vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 95 23:06:25 +1100 Received: from MAILQ by SERVER1 (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 95 23:06:12 +1100 From: "Peter W. Borders" Organization: Business Division - TCC VB To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:06:08 EST Subject: Re: Introductions Reply-To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <2050B0517@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us> > > my question: i am running a tp755ce and would love to have an external > cdrom drive running under both os2 warp and dos. do you think the one you > are running will also function with the 755ce? i am particularly > wondering about the drivers :] > > would appreciate getting your opinion. > > best > > jamie > > With the Reno drive it is not so much the drive that has to work under both but the scsi adaptor. I have a parallel port adaptor, but I can't think of who makes it right now. I think it is a linksys adaptor but I will check tonight and let you know tommorrow. You could also go with a PCMCIA adaptor, as long as it worked with os2 and dos. I have been thinking of getting a QLogic PCMCIA scsi adaptor since there are supposed to be drivers for it under Linux also. That way my CD-ROM would be available to all three. As far as the CD-ROM drive itself, the Reno is an ok, but not spectacular, double speed drive. It is rather large when hooked to the computer. It can also be used as an audio only drive when not hooked to the computer and then it is about the size of a sony discman or other portable audio CD. The nice thing about it is that I have seen it for as little as $99 in a couple of ads recently, check the back of computer shopper. Of course if you dont' already have the scsi adaptor then that is another $100-200, I think mine was $149. Pete Peter W. Borders Network Engineer - Business Division - Tidewater Community College tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 00:03:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23405; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:03:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08081; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:02:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:00:19 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07736; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:00:17 -0400 Received: from [128.125.224.62] (comserv-h-62.usc.edu [128.125.224.62]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA04856; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:59:47 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:07:35 -0700 To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us, tp750@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Introductions At 6:20 PM 10/17/95, Peter W. Borders wrote: >dual scan screen. Currently I have 8M memory and a Toshiba 528M hard >drive, without an "official" IBM case (too tall). How did you manage to work this? Some of us who would like to get an inexpensive 3rd party Hard Drive but not pay an extra $100 for the plastic case would like to know! :) ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 02:09:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00162; Wed, 18 Oct 95 02:09:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14984; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:08:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:03:22 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14733; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:03:14 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01HWKHK2JHXS002QEW@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:02:59 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: xfree86 on 755cx In-Reply-To: <199510180152.VAA04329@jones.cs.brown.edu> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <813996179.919803.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > Right now, I am using the pre-loaded Os2/warp software to run > slip. It is so incredibly slow! This seems to be half as fast > as my sparc 1 running at 9600 baud. (I am usin the uwave modem > on the thinkpad at 14.4k and ping reports average travel time > of nearly 500ms to my slip server!) Have others had similar > experiences with os/2 slip? You need the version 2 MWave software, which will knock 300+ ms of the round trip times. It's a really noticable improvement.. Available from ftp.pcco.ibm.com in pub/mobiles as mw-something (don't know for OS2 bit it should be obvious or get pub/allfiles.txt and look it up). Billy Y.. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 03:57:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08874; Wed, 18 Oct 95 03:57:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25821; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 03:56:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 03:54:13 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25640; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 03:54:12 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA06575; Wed, 18 Oct 95 03:54:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 03:54:13 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510180754.AA06575@nile.gnat.com> To: dramsey@ro.com, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: value of tp750c Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu memory on 701 and 750 is quite different From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 09:25:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27960; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:25:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22741; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:23:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:21:02 -0400 Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22219; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:20:52 -0400 Received: from mik.uky.edu (madonna.mik.uky.edu [128.163.117.230]) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA06326; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:20:11 -0700 Received: from nx55.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA13469; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:20:09 -0400 From: rodney d slone Message-Id: <9510181320.AA13469@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx55.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA10537; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:20:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:20:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.1 5/02/90) To: "Murray W. Goldberg" , cs.utk.edu!tp750@cs.ubc.ca Subject: Re: XFree86/FreeBSD on a 360 What is FreeBSD like compared to linux? I have linux and XF86 working on a thinkpad 360CSE. What is the diff between the 360C and 360CSE? I will help you if I can. -- Rodney Daryl Slone | "Grounds are pretty common." - me Electrical Engineering Senior | Nail here [] for a new monitor. University of Kentucky / 94.3% of all statistics are 87% worthless. e-mail: rdslon01@mik.uky.edu | Xerox never comes up with anything original. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 09:49:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29607; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:49:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25583; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:46:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:45:38 -0400 Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25326; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:45:35 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk (mail-e.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.25]) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA06571; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:44:56 -0700 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:44:23 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:44:22 +0100 Message-Id: <119447.9510181344@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: cs.utk.edu!tp750@cs.ubc.ca, goldberg@cs.ubc.ca, rdslon01@mik.uky.edu Subject: Re: XFree86/FreeBSD on a 360 Linux was written from ground up as an alternative to UNIX by Linux Tuvalds/ing (author of a really nice OS book which incorporates the full source code for linux) as a modular os which could be worked on even in a mainframe environment without taking down the whole system -- to the point of testing new device drivers in a virtual machine. Itis a nice, small, clean, integrated piece of work. FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc are all ports of BSD UNIX 4.2/4.3 (thereabouts) which are really compilations of collaborative works, possibly under question as to the proper copyright owner -- one commercial company took on AT&T in a court case to establish the right to market 386/BSD, BSD/386 (I can never recall which one is commercial and which is gnu licensed) - but as I undetstand it, their win in court only applied to BSDI Inc and did not clearly resolve the copyright issue for everyone else. If you play with NetBSD, 386BSD source code that may be OK -- but if you market it AT&T's clients (sold to Novell? resold to SCO?) may have a basis to come after you. Linus owns linux outright. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 09:51:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29629; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:51:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26064; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:51:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:49:37 -0400 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25650; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:49:35 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id GAA27392 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:49:22 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199510181349.GAA27392@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 8020 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:35:30 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: Don Ramsey Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:35:29 +0000 Subject: Re: value of tp750c Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Confirm-Reading-To: TOMF@conic.loral.com X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 I recently bought a 755C 8/170/DX2-50 for $2300. With the larger memory and HD you might get the same. > Has anybody on our list seen any used TP prices lately? I'm thinking of > unloading my 750C and getting a 760. Mine has a perfect display, 20Mb of > ram, and two 340Mb drives. I was wondering what a ballpark value for it > would be. Don at dramsey@ro.com in Huntsville, AL From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 10:20:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03107; Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:20:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28676; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:19:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:17:30 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28410; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:17:28 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA09042; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:08:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: ucklw08 Cc: TP750 Subject: The Free Unices In-Reply-To: <119447.9510181344@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > as I undetstand it, their win in court only applied to BSDI Inc and > did not clearly resolve the copyright issue for everyone else. If > you play with NetBSD, 386BSD source code that may be OK -- but if you > market it AT&T's clients (sold to Novell? resold to SCO?) may have > a basis to come after you. Linus owns linux outright. You're thinking of 386BSD, a Bill Jolix creation/port under USL license. NetBSD and FreeBSD were both originally 'patches' to the code. However, with the court case FreeBSD and NetBSD moved to BSD 4.4-Lite and were barred from distributing the older code (you can still legally USE it, they just can't distribute it). The 4.4-Lite code is very stable, and being maintained. People interested should go look at http://www.freebsd.org and read the 'about' and 'history' bits. It is also resellable (if you choose to build upon it to resistribute), _unlike_ the Linux stuff which is under the GPL. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 10:52:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06223; Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:52:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01661; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:50:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:48:39 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01362; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:48:31 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:46:36 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:46:33 +0100 Message-Id: <50372.9510181446@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: dwhite@shadow.net, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Free Unices Cc: tp750 , TP750@shadow.net No, I'm thinking about BSD386 -- the BSDI product -- AT&T sued them before they started the side actions with Jolitz et al. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 11:17:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07542; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:17:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03849; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:16:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:14:57 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03668; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:14:51 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa11411; 18 Oct 95 11:08 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA10798; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:05:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:05:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: Don Whiteside Cc: ucklw08 , TP750 Subject: Re: The Free Unices (GPL restrictions) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Warning - this is a digression on a digression, and not meant to fuel any flames. On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > [Question about relative merits of free unices, and some comments about > legal and usage restrictions...] > > The 4.4-Lite code is very stable, and being maintained. People interested > should go look at http://www.freebsd.org and read the 'about' and > 'history' bits. It is also resellable (if you choose to build upon it to > resistribute), _unlike_ the Linux stuff which is under the GPL. If the linux GPL is like the GNU General Public License, then that is neither a correct nor fair representation of it, in a fundamental way. As i understand it, the GPL allows any amount of resale and redistribution of the code to which it is applied, but with one very specific restriction - source code must be provided along with executables. Am i mistaken - does the Linux version actually prohibit resale? I don't mean to make any claims about the merits or burdens of this policy - that is a big bag of worms, and probably not an ideal topic for this mailing list. However, i don't want people who aren't acquainted with the situation to get the wrong impression. ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 11:41:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08629; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:41:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06250; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:39:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:38:17 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06143; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:38:08 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA15453; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:37:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:37:34 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510181537.AA15453@nile.gnat.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Free Unices Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu "The 4.4-Lite code is very stable, and being maintained. People interested should go look at http://www.freebsd.org and read the 'about' and 'history' bits. It is also resellable (if you choose to build upon it to resistribute), _unlike_ the Linux stuff which is under the GPL." Anyone can seel Linux, the idea that the GPL stops you from selling something is bogus misinformation. THe issue is whether you can make your modificatoin proprietary, not whether you can seel them. People sell Linux and other GPL based tools all the time. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 11:48:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09015; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:48:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07025; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06916; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:45:57 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA15534; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:45:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:45:53 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510181545.AA15534@nile.gnat.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, klm@cnri.reston.va.us Subject: Re: The Free Unices (GPL restrictions) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk "If the linux GPL is like the GNU General Public License, then that is neither a correct nor fair representation of it, in a fundamental way. As i understand it, the GPL allows any amount of resale and redistribution of the code to which it is applied, but with one very specific restriction - source code must be provided along with executables. Am i mistaken - does the Linux version actually prohibit resale?" The GPL allows resale and redistribution without restrictions. The whole point of the GPL is that the only restriction is that you cannot take away these freedoms of resale and redistribution. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 12:14:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10536; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:14:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09456; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:12:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:11:00 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09226; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:10:57 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA4301; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:05:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9510181905.AA4301@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id D1C28367CF7FC43E852562590057A403; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:05:03 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 18 Oct 95 11:58:59 EDT Subject: Win 95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain a little off the subject but... have any of you heard of a technical cd rom call "windows 95 resource toolkit" or something like that? it's supposed to cost a couple hundred dollars. none of my distributors have heard of it. thanks in advance, Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 13:07:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14492; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:07:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13101; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:01:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:59:47 -0400 Received: from alpha1.tesent.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12820; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:59:45 -0400 Received: from notesrv1.tesent.com by alpha1.tesent.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Sep95-0149PM) id AA05412; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:00:08 -0400 Received: by notesrv1 (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA8723; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:00:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9510181700.AA8723@notesrv1> Received: from Tessera with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 4228624E1D95A42185256259005CF438; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:59:57 To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: tp750 From: Paul Ferguson/Tessera Date: 18 Oct 95 12:58:33 Subject: Re: Win 95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain =================== have any of you heard of a technical cd rom call "windows 95 resource toolkit" or something like that? it's supposed to cost a couple hundred dollars. none of my distributors have heard of it. ==================== The Windows 95 Resource Kit is a 1300 page manual that comes with software (administrative tools). It lists for 50 bucks, most places sell it for 40. With my discount, I paid $27 for it. It is an invaluable resource if you want to take advantage of all the stuff that is in Windows 95 (for example, setting up one of your machines on the network to be a fax server). The Windows NT Resource Kit is 4 volumes, and that one does list for a couple hundred dollars. The 95 Kit is available from CompUSA and probably most other large-scale computer stores... pkf From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 13:07:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14488; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:07:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13097; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:01:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:00:10 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12834; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:59:59 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA01171; Wed, 18 Oct 95 17:58:37 +0100 Message-Id: <9510181658.AA01171@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 17:58:32 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWave Modem and PC-Kermit Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk I cannot seem to get Kermit to talk to the mwave modem. I start the mwave app under Windows, and I see that the MR DTR and HS are on. But Kermit complains that there is no hardware on serial port 2, and that it will operate serial port 2 through the BIOS. Still, I do not get a response to typing (or to an "at" command). (Of course, serial port 1 [which exists] does not respond either.) Any idea? /ivo PS: No response to my request if anyone has managed to get linux to talk to the mwave. I presume this means noone has managed.... From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 14:32:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21418; Wed, 18 Oct 95 14:32:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19232; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:23:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:19:05 -0400 Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18898; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:18:55 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02214; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:18:10 MDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:18:10 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9510181818.AA02214@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 95 >> have any of you heard of a technical cd rom call "windows 95 resource >> toolkit" or something like that? it's supposed to cost a couple >> hundred dollars. none of my distributors have heard of it. > The Windows 95 Resource Kit is a 1300 page manual that comes with software > (administrative tools). It lists for 50 bucks, most places sell it for 40. > With my discount, I paid $27 for it. It is an invaluable resource if you > want to take advantage of all the stuff that is in Windows 95 (for example, > setting up one of your machines on the network to be a fax server). The > Windows NT Resource Kit is 4 volumes, and that one does list for a couple > hundred dollars. The 95 Kit is available from CompUSA and probably most > other large-scale computer stores... Isn't this thrown in for free with the Win95 GA release on CD-ROM? I know that there is a "resource kit" directory on my CD, as I've used it a few times in setting up the Win95 SLIP/PPP scripting software. Before throwing more money at Brother Bill, you might want to check your CD or borrow someone else's in the event that you have the floppy disk version of the Win95 distribution. -- Karl E. Yeanoplos Denver, CO kyeanopl@den.mmc.com / key@csn.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 15:17:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24617; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:17:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23778; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:15:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:11:11 -0400 Received: from alpha1.tesent.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23091; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:11:08 -0400 Received: from notesrv1.tesent.com by alpha1.tesent.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Sep95-0149PM) id AA05492; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:11:33 -0400 Received: by notesrv1 (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA8798; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:11:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9510181911.AA8798@notesrv1> Received: from Tessera with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 1BD9A1939DF20E8F852562590068E3DE; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:11:26 To: tp750 From: Paul Ferguson/Tessera Date: 18 Oct 95 15:10:49 Subject: Re: Win 95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain >> The Windows 95 Resource Kit is a 1300 page manual that comes with software >> (administrative tools). It lists for 50 bucks, most places sell it for 40. >> With my discount, I paid $27 for it. It is an invaluable resource if you >> want to take advantage of all the stuff that is in Windows 95 (for example, >> setting up one of your machines on the network to be a fax server). The >> Windows NT Resource Kit is 4 volumes, and that one does list for a couple >> hundred dollars. The 95 Kit is available from CompUSA and probably most >> other large-scale computer stores... > Isn't this thrown in for free with the Win95 GA release on CD-ROM? I know > that there is a "resource kit" directory on my CD, as I've used it a few > times in setting up the Win95 SLIP/PPP scripting software. > > Before throwing more money at Brother Bill, you might want to check your CD > or borrow someone else's in the event that you have the floppy disk version > of the Win95 distribution. Gee, don't you think he can use the cash? He isn't done wallpapering his new place yet! Actually, you do get the tools on the CDROM, but you don't get the 1300 pages of text. I stand by my earlier contention that if you want to get a lot of detailed information on how to exploit many features in Windows 95, you should at least take a look at the book. Also, if you are going to be responsible for rolling 95 out to a large population it has some good planning ideas. I don't like tithing to Redmond much myself (being a former Lotus employee), but in this case, it's worth been worth it for me... pkf From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 15:34:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25636; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:34:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26160; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:32:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:31:17 -0400 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25972; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:31:14 -0400 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA05878; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:00:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:00:18 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510181900.MAA05878@netcom6.netcom.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Subject: Re: The Free Unices (GPL restrictions) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk The GPL requires that (1) you must ship source or make it available; (2) anyone who receives the program from you can redistribute it further under the GPL; (3) any modified versions that you distribute of a GPL'd program must also be GPL'd. The idea is to make sure that not only is the original GPL'd program free, but everyone can get the source so that they can modify and improve it, and the improved versions are also free. Although the Linux kernel is GPL'd BSD 4.4-lite kernel is not, all the complete programming environments that I know of based on these kernels, including the commercial BSDI system, depend heavily on GPL'd software such as the GNU C compiler. So if you buy a BSDI system, its kernel is proprietary but you're allowed to freely redistribute the C compiler that came with it. For more info, see the GPL itself (distributed with Linux and with all GNU programs such as GNU Emacs), or the article "What is Copyleft?" in the Free Software Foundation newsletter "GNU's Bulletin", or write fsf@gnu.ai.mit.edu. The list has been very active lately--I hope we can keep further traffic on this subject to a minimum. Thanks From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 15:45:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26468; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:45:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27163; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:42:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:40:32 -0400 Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26885; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:40:29 -0400 Received: from ladybug.oes.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5eLh-00024NC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:40 PDT Received: by ladybug.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA07583; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:40:22 +0800 From: czs00@oes.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <9510181940.AA07583@ladybug.oes.amdahl.com> Subject: Buying a Thinkpad To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am ready to buy a Thinkpad. I think I want to buy a TP760CD, 12.1 screen, 1.2Gb drive. From what I understand, with this model, I would get an external floppy drive, and the capability of mounting a second internal HD. It would come pre-loaded with Dos, Windows 3.1 and OS/2. I have received the following quotes: PC-direct 7449$ - 2 weeks wait time PC-connection 7245$ - back-ordered - 2 weeks PCsCompleat 7190$ - back-ordered - 2 weeks DirectWare 7145$ - shipping now USA-Flex 6889$ - back-ordered - 4 weeks I am only now coming to the PC world, so I am not familiar with these companies. I would appreciate hearing your (good or bad) opinion on my choice of model, and on the companies I have contacted. I would also like to hear suggestions for other mail order places I should check. Thanks for your help. Serenella Ciongoli From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 15:58:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27359; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:58:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28615; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:55:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:54:17 -0400 Received: from halon.sybase.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28235; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:54:13 -0400 Received: from sybase.com (sybgate) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA00842; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:52:59 -0700 Received: from shelty.sybase.com by sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA02908; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:53:26 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:56:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Life is just a bowl of queries! To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <951018135632.4cd@sybase.com> Subject: TP760CV? Gentlepeople, Has anyone heard (rumors) about any possibility of IBM producing a CV or CDV version of the TP760? I am in the market for a 755CDV in the medium future (less than 1 year) but would be very interested in the larger, finer-resolution screen of the 760 series if IBM is planning to produce one in a reasonable timeframe. (No, I have not heard any such rumors and don't wish to start any; I'm only inquiring...and hoping IBM has access to our exchanges so they see that at least somebody's interested!) Thanks, Jim * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * Jim Melton Work Telephone: +1.801.942.0144 Sybase, Inc. Fax: +1.801.942.3345 (by arrangement only) 1930 Viscounti Dr. Internet: jim.melton@sybase.com Sandy, UT 84093 X/Open Email: j.melton@xopen.co.uk USA * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * * * * Facts are facts. Any opinions expressed are mine alone and do not * * necessarily reflect the opinions of my employer nor anybody else * * with whom I may or may not have discussed the subject at hand. * * * * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 18:09:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07539; Wed, 18 Oct 95 18:09:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02983; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:37:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:33:39 -0400 Received: from dorite1.iquest.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02436; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:33:36 -0400 Received: from ts1-ind-19.iquest.net by dorite1.iquest.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #16) id m0t5fAq-0003E0C; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:33 EST Received: by ts1-ind-19.iquest.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9D6E.B63E2780@ts1-ind-19.iquest.net>; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:30:53 -0500 Message-Id: <01BA9D6E.B63E2780@ts1-ind-19.iquest.net> From: "Michael P. Mahoney" To: "'Thinkpad Group'" Subject: Upgrade of 755cx Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:30:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that IBM has released TP's with 90 and 120 chips, is it or will it, be possible to upgrade the 755cx? Thanks Mike Mahoney mahoneym@iquest.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 20:57:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19456; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:57:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22567; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:56:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:53:37 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22326; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:53:35 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 01:53:29 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 01:53:31 +0100 Message-Id: <120736.9510190053@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: http://www.pc.ibm.com/ Has anyone used the online system disk upgrade file to upgrade the firmware in a Thinkpad 750Cs? I'd like to do the upgrade; but I don't want to trash my motherboard because of problems in the online file. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 21:44:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22290; Wed, 18 Oct 95 21:44:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26349; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:42:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:42:04 -0400 Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26242; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:42:00 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02665; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:15:10 CDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:15:08 CDT Message-Id: <9510190115.AA02665@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: Buying a Thinkpad We recently purchased 7 ThinkPad 755cx's from PC-Direct and were v. happy with their service, price, & support. They were willing to meet other vendors' prices plus have a great 30-day no questions asked moneyback guarantee. I have also had excellent luck w/ PC-Connection for software & peripherals. No experience w/ PC'sCompleat or DirectWare. Absolutely awful experience w/ USA-Flex and will never even consider them for anything again (they lied about software in stcok and caused major panic for key project). Lest you think I am biased my experience seems to be the norm based on comments I have seen on the 'Net (see comp.sys.laptops). Good luck Joe Wilson From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 00:08:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00352; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:08:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07124; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:07:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:05:56 -0400 Received: from clark.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06909; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:05:54 -0400 Received: (brendan@localhost) by clark.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA23636; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:04:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Brendan Hoar To: ucklw08 Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: http://www.pc.ibm.com/ In-Reply-To: <120736.9510190053@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > Has anyone used the online system disk upgrade file to upgrade the firmware > in a Thinkpad 750Cs? I'd like to do the upgrade; but I don't want to trash > my motherboard because of problems in the online file. I used it to upgrade my Thinkpad 360Cs. Worked fine. Has a particularly silly "failsafe" mechanism - requires you to reboot with the disk *twice* before it'll go into reprogram mode. -b! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 03:21:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15715; Thu, 19 Oct 95 03:21:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18172; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:19:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:15:22 -0400 Received: from gw.svskt.se by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17122; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:15:13 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.svskt.se (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA08742 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:14:43 +0100 Received: from u30003.rsv.svskt.se(137.59.103.3) by gw.svskt.se via smap (V1.3) id sma008739; Thu Oct 19 08:14:18 1995 Received: from u09003.skm09.svskt.se (u09003.skm09.svskt.se [137.59.175.5]) by u30003.rsv.svskt.se (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA21077 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:14:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199510190714.IAA21077@u30003.rsv.svskt.se> Received: from a25433.skm09.svskt.se by u09003.skm09.svskt.se with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA037966870; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:14:30 +0100 X-Sender: jancla@bysen.skm09.svskt.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:11:41 +0200 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Jan Clareus Subject: subscribe subscribe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan Clareus | Only .... | Tel: +46 498 292253 RSV DataService | | Fax: +46 498 249263 Ostra Regionen | | Email: jancla@bysen.skm09.svskt.se 621 87 Visby, Sweden | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 03:49:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17371; Thu, 19 Oct 95 03:49:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24811; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:48:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:46:16 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24569; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:46:10 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA01701; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:45:37 +0100 Message-Id: <9510190745.AA01701@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:45:36 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Vendor Experiences Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk I have had good experiences with PCs Compleat, and absolutely miserable experiences with USA Flex. I will never again buy from them. /ivo welch From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 15:22:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19565; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:22:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22957; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:19:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:39 -0400 Received: from math.umd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22417; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:37 -0400 Received: from hilda.umd.edu (hilda.umd.edu [129.2.56.21]) by math.umd.edu (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA27858; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:01 -0400 From: Marek R Rychlik - (visitor) Received: (mrr@localhost) by hilda.umd.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id PAA06073; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199510191913.PAA06073@hilda.umd.edu> To: pp002453@pop3.interramp.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 15:23:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19574; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:23:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22967; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:19:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:10:40 -0400 Received: from lotus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22119; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:10:30 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA11037; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:21:04 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01841; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:05:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9510191905.AA01841@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.02 Beta) id EB275ED642DAF5C18525625A005C616D; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:05:20 EDT To: tp750 From: Kenneth Yee Date: 19 Oct 95 12:51:34 EDT Subject: 760CD internals and speed comparisons? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Does anyone know what's inside the 760CD (video chipset, memory type, bus architecture, etc.)? Just wondering if it can be used w/ an external video card in a docking bay and whether Linux can be loaded on it... Also, have there been comparisons on speed w/ a comparable P90 desktop and other portables in this class such as Tecras? thanks, ken From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 15:52:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24947; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:52:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25989; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:49:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:48:15 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25873; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:48:13 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA08826; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:46:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Cat's tongue part # ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I finally got to try one (for some reason it completely slipped my mind) and I LOVE it! What was the part number and order phone number again? ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 16:09:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27472; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:09:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27838; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:06:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:04:58 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27398; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:04:55 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa17895; 19 Oct 95 16:03 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA14046; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:03:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:03:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Seeking details on the IBM SCSI-2 PCMCIA card: linux compatability Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know whether IBM's SCSI-2 PCMCIA card is relabelled from another manufacturer, or whether it's identical to some other one? I'm asking because i plan to run linux on a 701cs (once i get the machine - just a few more weeks!), and did not see the card on the list of linux- SUPPORTED-CARDS (ftp://hyper.stanford.edu/pub/pcmcia/SUPPORTED.CARDS). I'm concerned about identifying, asap, whether or not the card will work with linux, because i believe i only have a 30-day return period on it, and three weeks of that period will be consumed by the time i'll be able to make any moves on installing linux on the system. Alternately, anyone have an email address @ibm for this kind of question? Thanks! ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 16:17:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28197; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:17:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28537; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:14:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:13:19 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28407; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:13:12 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA08864; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:11:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cat's tongue part # ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Ken Manheimer wrote: > I can't help but ask - what is a cat's tongue? (I mean, in the > context of thinkpads. I know what a cat and a tongue are!-) Oops, sorry about that. It's the unofficial name for the new Trackpoint caps. The textured, no-slip ones. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 16:32:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00060; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:32:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23473; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:23:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:33 -0400 Received: from math.umd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23218; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:29 -0400 Received: from hilda.umd.edu (hilda.umd.edu [129.2.56.21]) by math.umd.edu (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA28045; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:05 -0400 From: Marek R Rychlik - (visitor) Received: (mrr@localhost) by hilda.umd.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id PAA06121; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199510191921.PAA06121@hilda.umd.edu> To: pp002453@pop3.interramp.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 16:45:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00302; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:45:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01677; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:42:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:40:59 -0400 Received: from mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01445; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:40:49 -0400 Received: from icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (icarus2.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.8]) by mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.6.8.1/8.6.6c) with ESMTP id NAA19890; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:41:04 -0700 Received: from cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (cobra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.21]) by icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.6.12/b) with ESMTP id NAA08043; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:40:25 -0700 Received: by cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (SMI-8.6/SMIb) id NAA07385; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:40:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:40:21 -0700 From: stu@icarus2.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (Stuart Biggar) Message-Id: <199510192040.NAA07385@cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Seeking details on the IBM SCSI-2 PCMCIA card: linux compatability Cc: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII >Does anyone know whether IBM's SCSI-2 PCMCIA card is relabelled from >another manufacturer, or whether it's identical to some other one? I'm asking because i plan to run linux on a 701cs (once i get the machine - >just a few more weeks!), and did not see the card on the list of linux- >SUPPORTED-CARDS (ftp://hyper.stanford.edu/pub/pcmcia/SUPPORTED.CARDS). Ken, I have an IBM PCMCIA SCSI card. I believe that it is a relabled Future Domain card as it runs with a new FD16-700.ADD (the same ADD drives a FD1680 ISA SCSI card). I have never tried Linux. I have run the IBM card under OS/2 Warp and Warp Connect on an IBM 755CX and under Warp on a Toshiba T4600C. The card also works under DOS/Win on the 755CX. I have used it with a HP1533A tape drive and a Toshiba 2X SCSI-2 CDROM. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 18:13:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23647; Thu, 19 Oct 95 18:13:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06532; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:28:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:26:24 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06092; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:26:20 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa19559; 19 Oct 95 17:23 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA14267; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:23:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: Stuart Biggar Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Seeking details on the IBM SCSI-2 PCMCIA card: linux compatability In-Reply-To: <199510192040.NAA07385@cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Stuart Biggar wrote: > I have an IBM PCMCIA SCSI card. I believe that it is a > relabled Future Domain card as it runs with a new > FD16-700.ADD (the same ADD drives a FD1680 ISA SCSI > card). Thanks for the info! Do you happen to know whether that's definitive indication that they're the same card? I'm new to the PC domain - i mostly work with RISC Unix stations, and the hardware there is *so* much less complicated (probably because there are *so* many fewer vendors!) ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 18:42:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25136; Thu, 19 Oct 95 18:42:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11812; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:37:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:49 -0400 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11547; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:48 -0400 From: Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA16330; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:02 -0400 Message-Id: <951019183402_48989781@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cat's tongue part # ?and WARNING In a message dated 95-10-19 15:50:20 EDT, jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) writes: >I finally got to try one (for some reason it completely slipped my mind) >and I LOVE it! What was the part number and order phone number again? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------- I'm not sure exactly about the part number for the new Trackpoint caps (Cat's Tongues) but here is the phone number for a free replacement cap from IBM... 1-800-520-8765--- They request your model and serial number of your Thinkpad. This is what IBM has to say for the caps... =============================================================== Dear Customer, Recently, IBM discovered that a small number of the smooth rubber caps used on some Trackpoint pointing devices found on certain models of ThinkPad computers may, over time, contribute to keyboard malfunction. To ensure the continued satisfaction of customers, IBM is offering ThinkPad owners a free replacement cap. IBM will provide customers with the upgraded, no-slip rubber TrackPoint caps featured on IBM's latest ThinkPad models. Enclosed, you'll find a no-slip replacement cap. IBM recommends that you replace and discard the smooth cap presently in use on your ThinkPad. For further information call 800-772-2227 in the US; in Canada call 800-565-3344 We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Sincerely, IBM From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 18:51:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26501; Thu, 19 Oct 95 18:51:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12460; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:48:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:47:28 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12373; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:47:19 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa21010; 19 Oct 95 18:42 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA15713; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:42:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: Stuart Biggar , ThinkPad Mailing List Cc: David Hinds Subject: Re: Seeking details on the IBM SCSI-2 PCMCIA card: linux compatability In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Regarding my question, i have a definitive answer on the identity of the IBM CreditCard SCSI-2 adaptor card - stuart biggar was correct, it's a Future Domain 16-700. (This may be unfortunate, since that card is not on the list of supported cards, and david hinds - who produced the linux PCMCIA package - says the FD1680 is not currently supported...) I'm very pleased, nonetheless, to get an unequivocal answer from ibm on the identity of the card. I contacted askibm@info.ibm.com, and was referred to their "Info Support" center (1-800-772-2227). A responsive person there sent me to an Options support person. The options person dug up the OEM info (and happens to run linux on his home machine, so he definitely knew what i was talking about), and was quite helpful and informed. Now i have to determine whether it's likely that a driver for the FD16-700 will be produced any time soon, or to send back the IBM card and get one of the supported ones. However, i'm in a much better position to decide! (My apologies to the people on the list with little or no interest in the trials and tribulations of linux on the thinkpads - the identity of the card's OEM probably won't be of much use to you, since you could just use the standard drivers that come with the card. Still, i figure this info will be helpful to more than just the linux minority...) ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 21:01:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07090; Thu, 19 Oct 95 21:01:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19904; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:57:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:55:41 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19743; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:55:39 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id RAA09181 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:55:31 -0700 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma009176; Thu Oct 19 17:55:28 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA03065 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:57:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:57:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199510200057.RAA03065@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Ted Frederick Subject: TP755 and DockII... I've got a 755 CDV P-75, 40MB RAM, 810HDD, a 3COM PCMCIA ethernet adaptor, DockII and an internal, removable IDE drive in the DockII (SyQuest EZ135 removable cartridge). I'm running Win95. All the IRQ's are filled, no conflicts. When I dock the TP I get about 10 minutes of use before the system freezes. I have to do a manual un-dock and hit the reset button on the back to get it back from the land of the lost... The system runs fine when it is not docked. I've had the system sent into EasyServ and they couldn't reproduce the problem, they did, however send a floppy with some sort of patch on it that the config.sys loads. It has yielded no increase in system stability. The lock-up is unpredictable and there is no discrete event that I can ID that would lead me to the source of the problem. Anyone have any experience dealing with the TP and the DockII that might be able to lend some insight into this problem? Thanks, -Ted ******************************** Ted Frederick Mgr. DM Practice Cadence Design Systems tedf@cadence.com ******************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 23:15:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15132; Thu, 19 Oct 95 23:15:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29973; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:11:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:08:24 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29772; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:08:20 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id UAA17346; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:08:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199510200308.UAA17346@PEAK.ORG> Sender: From: "Jim Lee" Organization: Diamond Quest Consulting To: Ted Frederick Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:41:43 -8 Subject: Re: TP755 and DockII... Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:57:57 -0700 > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > From: Ted Frederick > Subject: TP755 and DockII... > I've got a 755 CDV P-75, 40MB RAM, 810HDD, a 3COM PCMCIA ethernet adaptor, > DockII and an internal, removable IDE drive in the DockII (SyQuest EZ135 > removable cartridge). > > I'm running Win95. All the IRQ's are filled, no conflicts. > > When I dock the TP I get about 10 minutes of use before the system freezes. > I have to do a manual un-dock and hit the reset button on the back to get it > back from the land of the lost... > > The system runs fine when it is not docked. > > I've had the system sent into EasyServ and they couldn't reproduce the > problem, they did, however send a floppy with some sort of patch on it that > the config.sys loads. It has yielded no increase in system stability. > > The lock-up is unpredictable and there is no discrete event that I can ID > that would lead me to the source of the problem. > > Anyone have any experience dealing with the TP and the DockII that might be > able to lend some insight into this problem? > > Thanks, > -Ted > ******************************** > Ted Frederick > Mgr. DM Practice > Cadence Design Systems > tedf@cadence.com > ******************************** > > Not that this helps very much, but I experience the exact same thing with my TP755CX/Win95/DockII combination. No (known) IRQ or address conflicts, but the system locks up unpredictably causing me to either manually undock and reset, or unplug AC and pull the battery. It is interesting that the '755CX very rarely locks up when undocked. Disabling the Adaptec SCSI adapter doesn't help, but pulling my RAM expansion card and running with 8MB does reduce the lockup frequency, but doesn't eliminate it. IBM support has been no help whatsoever. An interesting note - by pulling my 1.2GB disk out (Win95) and replacing it with my 810MB disk (Linux), I can run docked all day running X with 24MB, local ethernet, and a SLIP connection ... ---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 06:08:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07221; Fri, 20 Oct 95 06:08:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21730; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 06:01:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 05:57:38 -0400 Received: from gps.leeds.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21250; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 05:57:34 -0400 Received: (from engjcc@localhost) by gps.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00662; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:57:08 +0100 From: J C Cummings Message-Id: <199510200957.KAA00662@gps.leeds.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Cat's tongue part # ?and WARNING To: Mark3M@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:57:07 +0100 (BST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) In-Reply-To: <951019183402_48989781@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Mark3M@aol.com" at Oct 19, 95 06:34:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 95-10-19 15:50:20 EDT, jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) > writes: > > >I finally got to try one (for some reason it completely slipped my mind) > >and I LOVE it! What was the part number and order phone number again? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------- > > I'm not sure exactly about the part number for the new Trackpoint caps (Cat's > Tongues) but here is the phone number for a free replacement cap from IBM... > 1-800-520-8765--- They request your model and serial number of your Thinkpad. > > This is what IBM has to say for the caps... > > =============================================================== > > Dear Customer, > > Recently, IBM discovered that a small number of the smooth rubber caps used > on some Trackpoint pointing devices found on certain models of ThinkPad > computers may, over time, contribute to keyboard malfunction. > > To ensure the continued satisfaction of customers, IBM is offering ThinkPad > owners a free replacement cap. IBM will provide customers with the upgraded, > no-slip rubber TrackPoint caps featured on IBM's latest ThinkPad models. > > Enclosed, you'll find a no-slip replacement cap. IBM recommends that you > replace and discard the smooth cap presently in use on your ThinkPad. For > further information call 800-772-2227 in the US; in Canada call 800-565-3344 > > We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. > > Sincerely, > > IBM > Not that I want to press a point, but whom do I call? Is there a number for the UK. I bought my tp750 at home in Canada, but I've been here a year, and will be another 3 at least. ;-) Can someone give me the IBM UK (preferrably free) number? thanks. -- James Cummings School of English, University of Leeds. James. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 09:40:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16661; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:40:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05647; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:36:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:34:10 -0400 Received: from mcmail.vanderbilt.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05028; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:34:08 -0400 From: Received: from in2.mcmail.vanderbilt.edu by mcmail.vanderbilt.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA08196; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:35:26 -0500 Received: from ccMail by in2.mcmail.vanderbilt.edu (SMTPLINK V2.10.05) id AA814202507; Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:34:43 CST Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:34:43 CST Message-Id: <9509208142.AA814202507@in2.mcmail.vanderbilt.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux Hi all This is my first post to tp750. I work for Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville Tn. as a Network Tech. I don't yet own a TP. My last employer The Future Now ( a Great Information Technology Solution Provider IMHO ) supplied me with a TP 750 monocrome, with 20 Megs RAM. I liked it so much I am looking to buy a new one. I am leaning to getting a 701c and will probable buy in a week or so. I would, of course love to hear any coments there might be for or against, including any problems. My last point and the real reason I am posting, is, One of my concerns is the ablility to run Linux. I am very interested in the threads relating to the compatiblity issue. I am sure I will be even more interested once I get on and start configuring Linux. One question I have at this time, is, is there a software update already for the sound chipset inthe TP 701c (Mwave right?) To make it a 28,8k Modem, or is 14,4k still the speed limit? Thanks, I am thus far really injoying the group. Kevan P. Riley kevan.riley@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu or kriley@isdn.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 13:21:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00266; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:21:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26936; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:17:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:14:02 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26520; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:13:57 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA17965 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:13:48 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA28493 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:13:47 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05522; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:09:16 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:09:16 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510201709.AA05522@berlioz.nsc.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: tape back up Hello, I just got a TP755CX with 24MB ram and 810MB HD. I am planning to repartition the HD and install Linux on it in a different partition, so I need to back up all the data first. I want to buy a tape back up which will eventually work on all DOS/OS2/Windows as well as Linux environment. Anyone have any recommendation on what to buy? If I am not mistaken, Linux does not support tape drive on parallel port, so the low cost parallel port tape back up is out of the question. I know I can get tape back up running on floppy controller, but I am not exactly sure how am I go to make it work with a notebook even though the floppy drive is removeable. So the the last option is through the PCMCIA SCSI adaptor with a SCSI tape drive. Can anyone tell me if I am right or wrong? If I am to go for a PCMCIA solution, any recommendation of the adaptors and tape drives? Thanks in advance. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 13:39:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00648; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:39:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28304; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:31:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:30:20 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28120; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:30:18 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA43241; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:30:16 GMT Message-Id: <199510201730.AA43241@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 18:26:02 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: TP755CD PROBLEMS WITH VIDEOS IN WARP I'm trying to see mpeg or quickmotion videos (.mov or .mpe), but the multimedia browser doesn't load any of these files (vb.exe). Does anybody using OS/2 WARP on Thinkpads give me a hand? Many thanks! Bye by Alby/Warp From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 13:46:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04412; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:46:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28871; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:37:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:36:36 -0400 Received: from mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28791; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:36:32 -0400 Received: from icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (icarus2.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.8]) by mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.6.8.1/8.6.6c) with ESMTP id KAA20155 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:36:38 -0700 Received: (from stu@localhost) by icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.6.12/b) id KAA13402 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:36:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:36:00 -0700 From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199510201736.KAA13402@icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: tape back up I have a TP755CX with a Dock II. I have used a HP1533A in an external box with both the Adaptech controller in the Dock II and with an IBM PCMCIA SCSI card. These both work fine under OS/2 with software called BakupWiz. I have not used the tape under any OS other than OS/2. The IBM PCMCIA SCSI card is basically a Future Domain controller. It comes with DOS/Win drivers (PowerSCSI) and OS/2 drivers. I have used it with the tape and with a CD-ROM under both DOS/Win and OS/2 when the card was plugged into both the internal PCMCIA slots and the PCMCIA slots in an IBM port replicator. The HP1533A is quite fast and holds 4GB on a DDS-2 tape. It faster on some Pentium desktops with PCI bus SCSI controllers (HP Vectra XU) but is still quite speedy on my 755CX (about 28 Meg/minute off the 810 M or 1.2 G internal TP drives). At some point I plan to install a SCSI drive in the Dock and I expect it might dump a bit faster? The drive will compress things so you can put lots on a tape. I am curious if others have tried Solaris X86 or Win NT on a 755CX ? In a Dock II? (I have a 3Com 509B-combo in the dock which works fine with Warp Connect, NFS and PMX (with CSDs) on thin ethernet). Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona 1600 N. Country Club Rd, Ste 100 Tucson, AZ 85716-3160 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 16:52:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20360; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:52:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19775; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:48:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:40:41 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19071; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:40:35 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA28664 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:40:33 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA08012 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:40:30 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12332; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:35:57 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:35:57 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510202035.AA12332@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on DOS partition Hello, Anyone had any experience of installing Linux on DOS partition? What is the pros and cons? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 19:56:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00399; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:56:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04010; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:55:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:51:24 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03768; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:51:13 -0400 From: Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA14759; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:50:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:50:34 -0400 Message-Id: <951020195034_49963878@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: engjcc@gps.leeds.ac.uk Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cat's tongue part # ?and WARNING In a message dated 95-10-20 05:57:49 EDT, engjcc@gps.leeds.ac.uk (J C Cummings) writes: >> >> In a message dated 95-10-19 15:50:20 EDT, jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) >> writes: >> >> >I finally got to try one (for some reason it completely slipped my mind) >> >and I LOVE it! What was the part number and order phone number again? >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >> I'm not sure exactly about the part number for the new Trackpoint caps >(Cat's >> Tongues) but here is the phone number for a free replacement cap from >IBM... >> 1-800-520-8765--- They request your model and serial number of your >Thinkpad. >> >> This is what IBM has to say for the caps... >> >> =============================================================== >> >> Dear Customer, >> >> Recently, IBM discovered that a small number of the smooth rubber caps used >> on some Trackpoint pointing devices found on certain models of ThinkPad >> computers may, over time, contribute to keyboard malfunction. >> >> To ensure the continued satisfaction of customers, IBM is offering ThinkPad >> owners a free replacement cap. IBM will provide customers with the >upgraded, >> no-slip rubber TrackPoint caps featured on IBM's latest ThinkPad models. >> >> Enclosed, you'll find a no-slip replacement cap. IBM recommends that you >> replace and discard the smooth cap presently in use on your ThinkPad. For >> further information call 800-772-2227 in the US; in Canada call >800-565-3344 >> >> We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> IBM >> > > >Not that I want to press a point, but whom do I call? Is there a number for >the UK. I bought my tp750 at home in Canada, but I've been here a year, and >will be another 3 at least. ;-) > >Can someone give me the IBM UK (preferrably free) number? > >thanks. ----------------------------------------- I'm not sure about UK's number to contact about the new Trackpoint caps but here is the general technical support number: (I don't think it's toll free) (44)-81-940-6001 *The number in parentheses () is the country code.* -Mark M. (Mark3M@aol.com) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 05:01:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06313; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:01:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08661; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 05:01:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 04:56:39 -0400 Received: from lotus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08293; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 04:56:38 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA00689; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:07:29 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15822; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 04:51:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9510210851.AA15822@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.02 Beta) id 82D6F87E9499FEF78525625B005420D1; Sat, 21 Oct 95 04:51:26 EDT To: tp750 From: Kenneth Yee Date: 20 Oct 95 11:20:20 EDT Subject: Re: TP701 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain > One question I have at this time, is, is there a software update already for > the sound chipset inthe TP 701c (Mwave right?) To make it a 28,8k Modem, or is > 14,4k still the speed limit? The TP 701C does *not* have an mWave. It has an ESS chipset which is not reprogrammable... ken From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 15:40:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14582; Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:40:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17573; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:38:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:34:53 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17216; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:34:52 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA26748; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:29:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: TP750 Subject: Dock 2 availibility Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm considering dumping my desktop and getting a Dock 2. (I can just abotu swap even) Anyone suggest someplace where I can do better than the PC Direct $710? Any reason to believe the D2 will be offered at a lower price when the new dock (for the 760s, and apparently it will be backwards compatible, according to my IBM rep) comes out in the next few months? Also, any enhanced video on it? Will I be able to do better than 256 colors or is the video subsystem in the 'pad itself all I get? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 15:50:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15762; Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:50:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18272; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:47:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:46:41 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18089; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:46:31 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA20887; Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:46:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:46:31 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510211946.AA20887@nile.gnat.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: fast 760's are the 760's with the faster Pentium out yet? I have seen only the slower 90MHz versions advertised, and the big IBM ad in the Times mentioned only the 90MHz version. Also are the CD ROM versions available (is it in fact a different unit?) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 16:04:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16689; Sat, 21 Oct 95 16:04:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19168; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:02:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:00:35 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19029; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:00:25 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa12538; 21 Oct 95 15:52 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA20485; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:52:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:52:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: TP750 Subject: Dock 2 description? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd be interested in hearing a description of the Dock II. I'm trying to decide how best to provide for a CD ROM for my impending thinkpad, and am wondering whether a dockII would be a better route, in the long run, than a PCMCIA SCSI + CD ROM drive. (I suspect, from a recent message, that the dock II would initially be more expensive, but i presume it would offer more extensibility...) (I actually spent a while search IBM's pc web site for this info, but was surprised to be unable to turn up any clues.) Thanks! ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 16:29:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18193; Sat, 21 Oct 95 16:29:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20789; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:27:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:26:09 -0400 Received: from mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20665; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:26:06 -0400 Received: from icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (icarus2.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.8]) by mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.6.8.1/8.6.6c) with ESMTP id NAA20833; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:26:38 -0700 Received: from cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (cobra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.21]) by icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.6.12/b) with ESMTP id NAA17053; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:26:02 -0700 Received: by cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (SMI-8.6/SMIb) id NAA10276; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:25:57 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:25:57 -0700 From: stu@icarus2.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (Stuart Biggar) Message-Id: <199510212025.NAA10276@cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Dock 2 description ? Cc: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII >I'd be interested in hearing a description of the Dock II. Dock II is OK - good for a normal CD-ROM (I have a Toshiba 4X SCSI one) in the large bay (5 1/4" half-height). The Dock II also has a 1" high 5 1/4" bay (I intend to put a 1" 3.5" SCSI hard drive in that one using an adapter). The Dock II has an Adaptech SCSI controller (int 9-12 only), 2 PCMCIA slots (they can be used without an interrupt for insertion - at least under OS/2 Warp), 2 full length 16-bit ISA slots (connectors on the right side at rear) and two speakers. Serial, parallel, SCSI (50 pin compact connector like on a Sun), keyboard and mouse ports, external monitor, external diskette, and pairs of RCA audio in and out. I have not used anything except SCSI, keyboard and mouse. The mouse and keyboard on the TP can be used when a keyboard and mouse are plugged in (at least that works with an IBM keyboard I have). I have a 3C509-combo card in the Dock and use Connect. There is a volume control on the front of the dock to control the volume of the dock speakers. There is also a key lock on the left side along with the release lever which pushed the TP out of the Dock connector. I think that there is also an IDE controller in it so you can install IDE drives or even a TP drive ("To attach ThinkPad hard disk drive, do the following ..."). I have NOT done anything with the IDE stuff. It also has a front panel power switch which turns on the TP when in the dock (you can also use the TP switch). There is also a LCD panel with indicators for things like the disk drive ... It is big (15.7" deep, 4.8" high at the back, and 15" wide) and it weighs about 17 lb. You would NOT want to type much on the TP keyboard when in the Dock - you want to get an external keyboard. My Dock seems to hum intermittently - I have not tried to figure out why yet. Hope this helps. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona 1600 N. Country Club Rd, Ste 100 Tucson, AZ 85716-3160 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 16:56:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20405; Sat, 21 Oct 95 16:56:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22578; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:54:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:49:58 -0400 Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22192; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:49:56 -0400 Received: from seminole.gate.net (jbush@seminole.gate.net [199.227.0.14]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA26565; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:44:03 -0400 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by seminole.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA30787; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:46:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bush To: Don Whiteside Cc: TP750 Subject: Re: Dock 2 availibility In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII don try cdw at 1-800-410-4239 ext. 7266 and that will be oren. i have found him to be reliable and the prices can't be beat. he knows me only too well ]]] On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > I'm considering dumping my desktop and getting a Dock 2. (I can just > abotu swap even) Anyone suggest someplace where I can do better than the > PC Direct $710? Any reason to believe the D2 will be offered at a lower jamie From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 00:33:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18120; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:33:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20797; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:31:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:27:41 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20438; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:27:39 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17855; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:27:12 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0104; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:26:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:26:11 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510220426.AA0104@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: stu@icarus2.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:25:57 -0700 from stu@icarus2.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (Stuart Biggar) Subject: Dock 2 description ? I think that there is also an IDE controller in it so you can install IDE drives or even a TP drive ("To attach ThinkPad hard disk drive, do the following ..."). I have NOT done anything with the IDE stuff. I suspect that there's no separate controller in the dock, but rather that the TP internal controller bus is ported to the dock. I use an IDE hard disk in the dock and it works fine. These disks are so cheap right now that it's a great way to get lots of storage. Additionally, I've used the TP disk adapter (an add-on option) to mount a second TP disk inside the dock. This has been extremely valuable for me, because I have several colleagues who also have ThinkPads, and this provides a simple mechanism for copying operating systems. (This is particularly easy with Linux, since the entire disk image can just be copied onto the second disk.) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 00:47:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18680; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:47:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21408; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:45:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:44:26 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21271; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:44:25 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com ([156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA12775 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 21:43:20 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id VAA21695; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 21:34:04 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.email.com id AA814334300 Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:58:20 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:58:20 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 1058 Text Message-Id: <9509218143.AA814334300@espmail.email.com> To: Ted.Frederick@unix.portal.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: TP755 and DockII... >>I've got a 755 CDV P-75, 40MB RAM, 810HDD, a 3COM PCMCIA ethernet adaptor, >>DockII and an internal, removable IDE drive in the DockII (SyQuest EZ135 >>removable cartridge). >> >>I'm running Win95. All the IRQ's are filled, no conflicts. >> >>When I dock the TP I get about 10 minutes of use before the system freezes. >>I have to do a manual un-dock and hit the reset button on the back to get it >>back from the land of the lost... >>The system runs fine when it is not docked. Ted, I'm running a TP755 CX P-75, 24M/540M,3COM's 589, Dock_II, SyQuest 270M SCSI external, CD-ROM internal to dock, etc (few other transient cards), running Win95 docked and undocked. I'm having no problems, no hang conditions. I propose that since your problem occurrs only when docked, that you disconnect everything from Dock II and see if the hang still occurs. If so, its got to be the dock (or the TPs connector to it); if not, start adding parts back into the dock and test until it hangs. Joe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 02:39:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25861; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:39:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25984; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:37:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:34:35 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25646; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:34:33 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com ([156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17411 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:33:20 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id XAA24173 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:24:12 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.email.com id AA814339402 Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:22 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:22 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 1796 Text Message-Id: <9509218143.AA814339402@espmail.email.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: Dock 2 description? >>I'd be interested in hearing a description of the Dock II. I'm trying to >>decide how best to provide for a CD ROM for my impending thinkpad, and am >>wondering whether a dockII would be a better route, in the long run, than >>a PCMCIA SCSI + CD ROM drive. (I suspect, from a recent message, that the >>dock II would initially be more expensive, but i presume it would offer >>more extensibility...) >> ))ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Hi Ken, I've had a Dock 2 for a couple of months. I'm using the built in CD-ROM drive and external SCSI to get to a SyQuest drive. It can support an IDE drive as a slave using the thinkpad internal control logic. It's nice docking the machine because of the built-in power supply, dedicated attachments (thru keyboard and mouse ports), and build in speakers. I like having the ability to add a cheap IDE disk and cards. Not worth it if you only want a CD-ROM attachment. Joe _______________________________________/\\___________________ |\ ____________________________________(@ @)__________________\ __|__ | | Joe Bormel,MD ooOO-(_)-OOoo | | ____|_| ******************* .|. ------------- |______ \ | Reston, VA 22091 __|__ E: Joe.Bormel@palmtop.com | / \ | (703) 758-9277 --o-(_)-o-- V: 703-904-1867 1-6479 | / / |____________________ . . . _______________________________| \ /___________) . . . . . . . __|__ (_________\ : : : ^ : : : | __|__ __|__ 3 3 3 o 3 3 3 __|__ | | D D D O D D D | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 02:39:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25857; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:39:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25986; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:37:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:34:33 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25644; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:34:31 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com ([156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17435; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:33:27 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id XAA24181; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:24:13 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.email.com id AA814339409 Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:29 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:29 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 434 Text Message-Id: <9509218143.AA814339409@espmail.email.com> To: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: Linux on DOS partition I've made the BOOT and ROOT disks to run LINUX from a DOS partition and they work but I can't get Linux to recognize my DOCK-II based CD-ROM drive (Adaptec SCSI), to complete the install. I'm using the appropriate BOOT disk with support for Adaptec SCSI... I think I'm not doing something specific at the boot prompt. Anybody been thru this and got Linux installed on a thinkpad using the DOCK-II CD-ROM??? -Joe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 09:12:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15977; Sun, 22 Oct 95 09:12:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03055; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:09:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:06:03 -0400 Received: from math.rutgers.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02500; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:06:01 -0400 Received: (from moy@localhost) by math.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.12) id JAA04574; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:05:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:05:59 -0400 From: moy Message-Id: <199510221305.JAA04574@math.rutgers.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755C vs 701C Linux installation Cc: milicic@math.rutgers.edu This is a posting for a friend who is trying to install Linux on a 701C. I have installed and been using Linux on a 755C for 4 months now. A long distance friend purchased a 701C this week and has been having trouble installing Linux. He cannot seem to boot Linux on the 701C from the boot/root disks. He gets a kernel panic Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 2:1c When he told me this, I sent him (via the internet) boot/root disks which definitely boot on my 755C, but when he tried them he again got the kernel panic message. Would anyone know that if it is indeed the case that the 755C and 701C are different in regards to installing Linux? Please post or e-mail me or my friend (milicic@math.utah.edu). Thanks, Allen Moy From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 14:00:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29055; Sun, 22 Oct 95 14:00:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18135; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:58:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:55:42 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17983; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:55:33 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id KAA13112; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:54:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199510221754.KAA13112@PEAK.ORG> Sender: From: "Jim Lee" Organization: Diamond Quest Consulting To: "Joe.Bormel" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:55:16 -8 Subject: re: Linux on DOS partition Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Jim Lee" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:29 > From: "Joe.Bormel" > To: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com > Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: re: Linux on DOS partition > > I've made the BOOT and ROOT disks to run LINUX from a DOS > partition and they work but I can't get Linux to > recognize my DOCK-II based CD-ROM drive (Adaptec SCSI), > to complete the install. I'm using the appropriate BOOT > disk with support for Adaptec SCSI... I think I'm not > doing something specific at the boot prompt. > > Anybody been thru this and got Linux installed on a thinkpad > using the DOCK-II CD-ROM??? > > -Joe > > > > You don't mention which Thinkpad model you're using, but I've installed Linux on my '755CX attached to a Dock II. I didn't *install* through the SCSI card, I have a Mitsumi CD-ROM drive in my Dock II with it's own interface that I installed from, but after everything was installed, Linux recognized the Adaptec SCSI card and allowed me to mount and use my optical disks attached to it... ---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 16:13:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06835; Sun, 22 Oct 95 16:13:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26130; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:11:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:07:41 -0400 Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25786; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:07:39 -0400 Received: from ladybug.oes.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t76g8-0002TDC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 13:07 PDT Received: by ladybug.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA19702; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:07:29 +0800 From: czs00@oes.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <9510222007.AA19702@ladybug.oes.amdahl.com> Subject: Win NT on a Thinkpad? To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi thanks go to all the people that gave me feedback on mail order companies. I discarded USA-Flex, that, according to quite a few, seems to be less reputable than all the other companies. If PC-Direct will match the lowest bid (7145$ from Directware) I will go for them, due to all the glowing words I have heard about them. Now for 2 more questions: 1. Has anybody had problems installing Windows NT Workstation on a Thinkpad 755xx or, better, 760? Has anyone installed it at all? 2. Has anyone used one of these utility programs that will format floppy disks at a higher density than 1.44MB? Friends of mine have strongly suggested I use the 2Mb formatter on all my floppies, but I have read that it will use special commands that might not be available on all desktops or laptops. Thanks again for your input. I do hope to make positive contributions to this list once I actually have a 760CD in my hands. Serenella Ciongoli From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 19:51:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17129; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:51:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08142; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:49:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:48:14 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07956; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:48:06 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA02242; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:43:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Chris Hanson Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dock 2 description ? In-Reply-To: <9510220426.AA0104@omerie.ai.mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Oct 1995, Chris Hanson wrote: > I think that there is also an IDE controller in it so you can > install IDE drives or even a TP drive ("To attach ThinkPad hard > disk drive, do the following ..."). I have NOT done anything with > the IDE stuff. > > I suspect that there's no separate controller in the dock, but rather > that the TP internal controller bus is ported to the dock. I originally thought so too, but my 750 tech reference lists the pins on the connector (but not the AMP part number of the connector, dammit!) and the HD lines are _not_ on there. The only lines labeled as HD signals are -PDIAG, -HDCS1 and HD7. (Passed Diagnostics, Chip Select 1 and [strangely] data line 7.) There's a HDCS0 signal there too, which is (mistakenly, I think) labeled as video-related. > I use an IDE hard disk in the dock and it works fine. These disks are > so cheap right now that it's a great way to get lots of storage. Amazing, innit? I keep my original 10M 100ms Winchester as a doorstop for fun. I don't want to think what we paid for that 10 years ago.... > Additionally, I've used the TP disk adapter (an add-on option) to What does it do, convert the D connector to a standard 40 pin cable and a power socket? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 19:51:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17128; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:51:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08146; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:49:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:45:40 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07800; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:45:36 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16390; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:45:14 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0075; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:43:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:43:59 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510222343.AA0075@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: moy@math.rutgers.edu Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, milicic@math.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:05:59 -0400 from moy Subject: 755C vs 701C Linux installation This is a posting for a friend who is trying to install Linux on a 701C. I have installed and been using Linux on a 755C for 4 months now. A long distance friend purchased a 701C this week and has been having trouble installing Linux. He cannot seem to boot Linux on the 701C from the boot/root disks. He gets a kernel panic Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 2:1c When he told me this, I sent him (via the internet) boot/root disks which definitely boot on my 755C, but when he tried them he again got the kernel panic message. Would anyone know that if it is indeed the case that the 755C and 701C are different in regards to installing Linux? I don't know about the 701C, but isn't that the error message that is generated when the "floppy=thinkpad" parameter is omitted? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 19:52:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17138; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:52:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08140; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:49:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:44:44 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07703; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:44:43 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16387; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:44:10 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0074; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:42:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:42:57 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510222342.AA0074@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: joe.bormel@palmtop.com Cc: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:29 from "Joe.Bormel" Subject: Linux on DOS partition I've made the BOOT and ROOT disks to run LINUX from a DOS partition and they work but I can't get Linux to recognize my DOCK-II based CD-ROM drive (Adaptec SCSI), to complete the install. I'm using the appropriate BOOT disk with support for Adaptec SCSI... I think I'm not doing something specific at the boot prompt. Anybody been thru this and got Linux installed on a thinkpad using the DOCK-II CD-ROM??? I've been through this -- you need to give a boot-prompt parameter, because the aha152x SCSI driver doesn't recognize the Dock II BIOS: aha152x=,,,1 for example, I use these values: aha152x=0x340,9,7,1 After you have installed Linux, you can continue to use the boot parameter by adding it to the Lilo APPEND parameter, but if you do, Linux won't boot unless you are docked. Instead, you should patch the kernel to recognize the dock, then rebuild the kernel (you'll need to rebuild your kernel to get APM and PCMCIA support anyway): *** /usr/src/linux-1.2.9/drivers/scsi/aha152x.c.~1~ Tue May 2 00:31:26 1995 --- /usr/src/linux-1.2.9/drivers/scsi/aha152x.c Mon Jun 12 03:03:44 1995 *************** *** 396,401 **** --- 396,402 ---- { "Adaptec BIOS:AIC-6360", 0xc, 21 }, /* on-board controller */ { "ScsiPro SP-360 BIOS", 0x2873, 19 }, /* ScsiPro-Controller with AIC-6360 */ { "GA-400 LOCAL BUS SCSI BIOS", 0x102e, 26 }, /* Gigabyte Local-Bus-SCSI */ + { "Adaptec BIOS:AHA-1532P", 0x1c, 22 }, /* IBM ThinkPad Dock II */ }; #define SIGNATURE_COUNT (sizeof( signatures ) / sizeof( struct signature )) #endif With this patch installed, the dock SCSI will be recognized automatically when you are docked, and it will be ignored when you are not. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 19:59:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17310; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:59:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08810; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:57:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:57:00 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08713; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:56:58 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17190; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:56:41 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0081; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:55:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:55:31 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510222355.AA0081@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dwhite@shadow.net Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:43:01 -0400 (EDT) from Don Whiteside Subject: Dock 2 description ? On Sun, 22 Oct 1995, Chris Hanson wrote: > Additionally, I've used the TP disk adapter (an add-on option) to What does it do, convert the D connector to a standard 40 pin cable and a power socket? Basically, that's right, except that the cable is 60 pins (it looks standard to me, but I'm not very knowledgeable about this), and the drive's power is somehow derived from this cable rather than from a separate power cable as is usual. Also, this converter is mounted on a bracket that allows the TP disk to fit neatly in the 3.5"x.5" slot on the left side of the dock. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 21:11:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20842; Sun, 22 Oct 95 21:11:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13175; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:09:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:06:25 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12973; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:06:14 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA03384; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:06:05 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA14798; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:06:06 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510230106.SAA14798@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Dock 2 description ? To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 22, 95 07:43:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Amazing, innit? I keep my original 10M 100ms Winchester as a doorstop for > fun. I don't want to think what we paid for that 10 years ago.... I try to keep things in perspective. I remember that 10 MB drive being simply *huge*--the entire operating system took up 1 MB and both Lotus 1-2-3 and WordStar were small enough to be run off of *floppies*-- one or two 360K floppies, no less! You could have these two major programs on your hard drive, a mess of character-based games & a few other various applications, yet still have upwards of 5 MB or 50% of your hard drive empty. Hardly anyone ever filled it (that is, until 20 MB drives started to become the new standard and the software publishers caught on & bloated up the software! ;-) Comparison: Today a drive of 400 to 500 MB is fairly standard equipment (though you power-users are getting new drives in excess of 1 GB) while the operating system is anywhere between 20 and 35 MB and major software packages are upwards of 20 to 40 MB in size. The size of the hard drive has increased about 50 times while the software size has increased 30 to 40 times. Gee--maybe we haven't come as far as we thought we had! :) Well, at least that 500 MB drive can be had for $200--that 10 MB one was a $1,000 option, wasn't it? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 22:10:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23527; Sun, 22 Oct 95 22:10:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16876; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 22:08:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 22:07:55 -0400 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16803; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 22:07:49 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 03:07:08 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 02:05:52 GMT Message-Id: <37210.9510230205@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: dwhite@shadow.net, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Dock 2 description ? Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu > Amazing, innit? I keep my original 10M 100ms Winchester as a doorstop for > fun. I don't want to think what we paid for that 10 years ago.... Gosh, my original DEC and IBM Winchster drives were the size of a washing machine, chewed up power like an ultracentrifuge, and cost as much as one very decent automobile. Storage capacity varied from 750 KB to 1.5 MB -- some removable stack of platters (a stack of 8 to 11 fourteen inch disks) cost small fortunes. Of course, the operating system, compilers, etc all fit in 65 KB memory. Software arrived on punched cards and punched paper -- only later did we get some 7 and 9 track vacuum column tape drives. Memory didn't come on chips, it came on huge square frames of wire mesh with little donuts at every intersection of the wires. The motherboard was wired by hand. Indeed, engineering change orders would sometimes specify that we were to lengthen individual wires for timing changes. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 05:33:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14373; Mon, 23 Oct 95 05:33:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18785; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 05:30:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 05:28:45 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17947; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 05:28:32 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA06360; Mon, 23 Oct 95 09:28:05 GMT Message-Id: <9510230928.AA06360@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 10:28:05 +0100 To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Dock 2 description ? Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk References: <9510222355.AA0081@omerie.ai.mit.edu> Listening to the discussion on the add-on to the dock, let me renew a question that I asked earlier, in a variation: I would love to get the 2nd TP-disk connection, but I really do not want to purchase a dock (what is it now? $800? Yeah, IDEs are cheap, but getting the dock is expensive; a SCSI PCMCIA adapter seems the better solution for most external disk devices). Now, is the cable to the add-on disk adapter coming out of some complicated logic, or is it simply an extender to the port? Can one get this add-on adapter for a normal desktop, too, or is it exclusive to the dock? Regards, /ivo welch PS: My earlier problem with kermit and the mwave adapter---it is kermit specific. Windows and DOS work with the standard comm programs, but apparently kermit is trying to probe too low-level. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 07:07:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17819; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:07:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06917; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 04:09:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 03:36:22 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06164; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 03:36:12 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA21427; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:35:53 GMT Message-Id: <199510230735.AA21427@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 08:35:38 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? On Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) you wrote: >1. Has anybody had problems installing Windows NT Workstation on a Thinkpad > 755xx or, better, 760? Has anyone installed it at all? Now that there is Windows 95 , I'm really convinced that NT is obsolete and no more so fine than months ago. Anyway, you can install it with no problems onto 755's (I read many messages here past months) and probably on the new 760's. Let me suggest you, anycase, to install on your future Thinkpad at least in one partion of your Hard Disk, OS/2 Warp...it makes really the difference! Just a curiosity: your name isn't properly an US one...I'm italian, and hear something familiar in your name... Ciao, Alberto Enna From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 07:50:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19539; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:50:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29091; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:48:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:45:32 -0400 Received: from vnet.IBM.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28953; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:45:30 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199510231145.HAA28953@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ATLVMIC1.VNET.IBM.COM by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6820; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:45:21 EDT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:45:21 EDT To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: NO SUBJECT From: Brian T. 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From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 14:52:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11470; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:52:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04241; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:49:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:48:22 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04064; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:48:17 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA11228 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:48:02 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA16940 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:48:00 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17870; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:43:26 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:43:26 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510231843.AA17870@berlioz.nsc.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: HD compressor Hi, Are anyone using any disk compression utility on OS2 (like Stacker)? I have a TP755CX with Warp and DOS installed (dual boot). There is a Stacker compression utility that come with PCDOS 7.0. I am wondering if I could use it and OS2 with still works file? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 15:35:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13233; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:35:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08868; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:30:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:28:07 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08588; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:28:05 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA03060; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:27:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: William Ng Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD compressor In-Reply-To: <9510231843.AA17870@berlioz.nsc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, William Ng wrote: > Are anyone using any disk compression utility on OS2 (like Stacker)? I have > a TP755CX with Warp and DOS installed (dual boot). There is a Stacker > compression utility that come with PCDOS 7.0. I am wondering if I could use > it and OS2 with still works file? If you're trying to compress an OS/2-only partition, I'd recommend Zipstream over Stacker. In fact, if the partition is HPFS, Stacker won't work - you'll need Zipstream or DCF/2(?). I highly recommend Zipstream, which is available at most OS/2 ftp sites (shareware). If you're trying to compress a drive you'll be using under both DOS and OS/2, then I think Stacker is your only choice. Zipstream is much better (faster, more flexible). Does anyone know of a binary-compressing utility for Linux, kinda like gzip, zless, and zgrep works with text files? ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 16:07:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17161; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:07:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12161; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:04:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:02:43 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12015; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:02:40 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA09178 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:02:29 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA16830; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:18:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <9510231815.AA01010@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > can we send a message reminding people how to unsubscribe to this > mailing list, it is really annoying to get broadcast unsubscribe > messages! Why areso many people unsubscribing today? :) Also...would anyone mind if I post a Thinkpad-relevant for-sale ad to this list? http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 16:21:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17842; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:21:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13663; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:17:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:14:02 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13239; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:13:55 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (also-34.ppp.hooked.net [204.212.196.98]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA13515; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:13:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:13:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199510232013.NAA13515@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "John H. Kim" From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: HD compressor (for linux) Cc: William Ng , TP750@cs.utk.edu At 03:27 PM 10/23/95 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: >Does anyone know of a binary-compressing utility for Linux, kinda >like gzip, zless, and zgrep works with text files? Not really what you're asking, but there is also gzexe to compress executables (it gzips them and wraps them in decompression scripts). ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 16:24:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18116; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:24:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14097; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:22:07 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:21:01 -0400 Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13947; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:20:53 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA06044; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:21:53 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:21:53 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199510232021.UAA06044@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: alster@interport.net Subject: Re: unsubscribe Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu As long as I have already annoyed everyone, I might as well answer the question why I want to unsubscribe. Initially, I found this group very helpful, and was able to return this help by answering some questions. However, recently, I've found the traffic growing in quantity and branching out to include lots of chat that I can't afford to read. The branching out includes lots of talk about models of Thinkpad other than the 750 series, and quite a bit of "shopping" info. This sort of thing is interesting, and would be appropriate for a news group, but it not for an e-mail distribution. It may be that others feel the way I do, and that may explain the series of "unsubscribes". --Ted Baker From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 16:32:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19083; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:32:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14716; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:28:24 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:27:53 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14654; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:27:51 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA12908; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:27:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199510232027.QAA12908@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:15:54 EDT." <9510231815.AA01010@nile.gnat.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:27:43 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > can we send a message reminding people how to unsubscribe to this > mailing list, it is really annoying to get broadcast unsubscribe > messages! Yes, please send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to tp750-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, not to the whole list. Keith Moore From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 17:41:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23516; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:41:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21033; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:36:29 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:34:23 -0400 Received: from SSD.intel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20792; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:34:20 -0400 Received: from sv004.scic.intel.com by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06174; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:33:06 PDT Received: from rs028.scic.intel.com by sv004.scic.intel.com (4.1/sun41.1); Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:32:56 PDT Received: from localhost by rs028.scic.intel.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/rs32.1); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:32:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9510232132.AA23774@rs028.scic.intel.com> To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Cc: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:35:38 EDT." <199510230735.AA21427@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:31:46 -0700 From: Ed Bunch I just joined this list to learn something about this myself. Is their a long thread on this subject that someone can send me or a FAQ available? I have NT 3.5.1 Workstation installed on a 755C. It does work marginally. I can't select 256 color mode or 1024x768 and there is no Audio. I have a download from MicroSquish that replaces disk 1 and 8 of the NT install. In theory this will bring my 755 up to "approved platform"; except for some bugs in NTFS to be addresses in the near future. However, I installed from a CDROM. (not very handy) Does anyone have any suggestions on installing this patch after NT is already installed? Or, is it possible to due a non-descructive re-install of NT w/o wiping out all the other work I've put into setting up this box with all the software that makes it useful? Thanks, Ed >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:35:38 EDT >Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? >From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) >To: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, > >On Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) you wrote: >>1. Has anybody had problems installing Windows NT Workstation on a Thinkpad >> 755xx or, better, 760? Has anyone installed it at all? >Now that there is Windows 95 , I'm really convinced that NT is obsolete and no >more so fine than months ago. Anyway, you can install it with no problems onto > 755's (I read many messages here past months) and probably on the new 760's. >Let me suggest you, anycase, to install on your future Thinkpad at least in one > partion of your Hard Disk, OS/2 Warp...it makes really the difference! >Just a curiosity: your name isn't properly an US one...I'm italian, and hear so >mething familiar in your name... >Ciao, > Alberto Enna From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 17:44:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23801; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:44:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21621; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:42:58 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:42:30 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21528; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:42:28 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA04524; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:42:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:42:23 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510232142.AA04524@nile.gnat.com> To: alster@interport.net Subject: Re: unsubscribe Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu I think it is fine to post thinkpad's for sale messages, if they are brief (people can send email for more information!) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 17:48:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23847; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:48:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22035; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:45:43 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:44:33 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21723; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:44:30 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA04552; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:44:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:44:39 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510232144.AA04552@nile.gnat.com> To: alster@interport.net, baker@ada.cs.fsu.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu I would still prefer to see this as a newsgroup rather than a mailing list, it is just at the very limit of my tolerance in volume for a mailing list, but I would not mind if the volume were much higher on a newsgroup, where it is so much easier to delete threads. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 19:41:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00374; Mon, 23 Oct 95 19:41:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29316; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:39:37 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:36:11 -0400 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29134; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:36:09 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA02614; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:07:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Arie Litman Subject: unsubscribe To: tp-request@cs.utk.edu Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510232027.QAA12908@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some have asked why so many people unsubscribe.. well here are my reasons: - this should be a newsgroup.. - too much branching, to the point that I find only 5% of the posts of interest to me - for once (a month or so ago) I actually needed info about TP750C and Win95, and NO ONE, not even one responce was offred. Considering that this list generates almost 30% of the traffic in my in box, and the little value it offers to me, I would like to unsubscribe.. Arie Litman Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Keith Moore wrote: > > can we send a message reminding people how to unsubscribe to this > > mailing list, it is really annoying to get broadcast unsubscribe > > messages! > > Yes, please send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to tp750-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, > not to the whole list. > > Keith Moore > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 20:10:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06226; Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:10:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01513; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:07:47 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:03:01 -0400 Received: from maple.grove.iup.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01197; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:02:59 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2467) id <01HWSI8TZ8Y88Y6JBT@grove.iup.edu>; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:50:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark_Strawcutter Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:07:01 -0700 (PDT)" To: Arie Litman Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HWSIL9CMJO8Y6JBT@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania X-Envelope-To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Some have asked why so many people unsubscribe.. well here are my >reasons: No, they asked why folks were sending unsubscribes to the list, not why they were trying to unsub. > - this should be a newsgroup.. Boo hiss. If I wanted a newsgroup I'd read comp.sys.laptops. Newsgroups are for things I don't really care about. My Thinkpad falls in the "important" category so I prefer a mailing list. It would make my life easier if postings to the list had a reply-to: pointing to the list, but I appriciate that other feel differently. > - too much branching, to the point that I find only 5% of the posts of > interest to me Then stay away from comp.sys.laptops - too low a signal/noise ratio wrt thinkpads. > - for once (a month or so ago) I actually needed info about TP750C and > Win95, and NO ONE, not even one responce was offred. Sorry for your bad experience, mine have all been just the opposite. >Considering that this list generates almost 30% of the traffic in my in >box, and the little value it offers to me, I would like to unsubscribe.. The message to which you were responding has instructions for doing just that: >> Yes, please send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to tp750-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, >> not to the whole list. /mjs From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 20:15:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06536; Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:15:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01618; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:08:52 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:07:41 -0400 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01493; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:07:34 -0400 Received: from uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.54]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <13220(9)>; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:07:02 -1000 Received: by uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu id <105782>; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:19:50 -1000 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:19:48 -1000 Sender: Johnny Liang From: Alienman To: Alberto Enna Cc: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <199510230735.AA21427@ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Alberto Enna wrote: > Now that there is Windows 95 , I'm really convinced that NT is obsolete and no more so fine than months ago. Anyway, you can install it with no problems onto 755's (I read many messages here past months) and probably on the new 760's. > Let me suggest you, anycase, to install on your future Thinkpad at least in one partion of your Hard Disk, OS/2 Warp...it makes really the difference! > > Just a curiosity: your name isn't properly an US one...I'm italian, and hear something familiar in your name... > > Ciao, > Alberto Enna Hi Alberto, I just want to point out that just because Windows 95 is out, it is not the end of the world for NT. In fact, if you have been keeping up with the developments and looking at the trend in the computing market, you would already know that the whole world is switching over to the 32 bit world, if not already the 64 bit. Windows 95 still has 16 bit code, which means that it still lacks some of the features of a true 32 bit OS. Windows 95 is the one that will become obsolete in the near future. This is why Microsoft developed NT to be a porable OS, being able to be compiled on multiple platforms such as the Alpha AXP's, the PPC, and the i386. They know that this is the future of computing to come. Just my $0.02. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- \ |\-/\ |^\^||^|^_|\ __|\ |^\|\ |\-/\ / \ `O.o' |- \||_| _> \| | \/^|\ \|^| `-.*' / \ =(___)= |_\_\ _|__|_\_ |_\/_|_\\__| =(___)= / \ U alienman@somewhere.in.space " / \ http://nic2.hawaii.edu/~johnnyl / _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 20:33:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07838; Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:33:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02739; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:29:31 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:27:05 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02630; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:27:03 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA07110; Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:26:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:26:26 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510240026.AA07110@nile.gnat.com> To: aenna@ibm.net, johnnyl@hawaii.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Cc: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu many commentators think that Win95 isw merely a temporary transition product to be replaced by NT as soon as typical machines are large enough. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 23:29:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28859; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:29:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14178; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:27:06 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:24:29 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13854; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:24:27 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA19837 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:24:20 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id UAA01158 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:24:21 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510240324.UAA01158@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:24:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Arie Litman" at Oct 23, 95 04:07:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Some have asked why so many people unsubscribe.. well here are my > reasons: > > - this should be a newsgroup.. Fair enough--everyone has an opinion. > - too much branching, to the point that I find only 5% of the posts of > interest to me I never did understand this--I'm in the same boat here, but I know what the "delete" key is for (and I use it liberally). Better yet, get a mailer with a filter in it. > - for once (a month or so ago) I actually needed info about TP750C and > Win95, and NO ONE, not even one responce was offred. Awwwww...Boo-hoo! Did your feelings get hurt? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 23:35:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29140; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:35:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14614; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:32:53 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:32:21 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14499; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:32:19 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA20814; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:32:15 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id UAA02270; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:32:14 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510240332.UAA02270@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: <9510240026.AA07110@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 23, 95 08:26:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > many commentators think that Win95 isw merely a temporary transition > product to be replaced by NT as soon as typical machines are large > enough. As long as we're talking about it, do "32-bit" versions of Excel and Word (updated for Win '95) run smooth as silk on Win NT, or in some kind of "compatible" mode? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 23:56:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00034; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:56:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16236; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:53:46 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:52:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16120; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:52:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA09172; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:52:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:52:44 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510240352.AA09172@nile.gnat.com> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu well especially after my message earlier today, I hate to send this, but please unsubscribe me I sent a message to TP750-REQUEST, but it did not apear to work. Sorry for yet another junk message, but at least it will be my last :-) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 06:59:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25858; Tue, 24 Oct 95 06:59:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19271; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:58:58 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:54:52 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19047; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:54:41 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:53:52 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:53:50 GMT Message-Id: <11157.9510241053@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Installing Adaptec PCMCIA SlimSCSI & 3Com PCMCIA 3C589 Ethernet Several people have asked how I configured my Thinkpad 750Cs for use with Adaptec PCMCIA APA-1460 SlimSCSI and 3Com PCMCIA 3C589 Ethernet. PLEASE MAKE BACKUP COPIES OF YOUR CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT, and WINDOWS SYSTEM.INI BEFORE UNDERTAKING THESE CHANGES. If you are extra cautious you might backup your entire system first. I started with PC-DOS 5.02 and Windows 3.1 pre-installed on my hard drive. Then, I downloaded and installed the latest versions of the software code: From www.pc.ibm.com -- uttp1310.exe -- TP750 Utilities aftps140.exe -- TP750 Audio Features vftps133.exe -- TP750 Video Features tppcm130.exe -- TP750 PCMCIA From www.adaptec.com -- EZ-SCSI From www.3com.com -- 3C589 Drivers Diskette (including 3C589PD.EXE) I hand optimized my CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT to maximize available memory. This included use of B000-B7FF (unused monochrome VGA memory) and E000-E5FF (unused BIOS memory) for UMB's (upper memory blocks). Note: change WINDOWS/SYSTEM.INI as follows to use B000-B7FF/E000-E5FF: EMMExclude=C000-C7FF VDDFreeB000=Yes CONFIG.SYS: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE noems I=B000-B7FF X=C000-C7FF I=E000-E5FF DOS=HIGH,UMB FILES=30 BUFFERS=20 STACKS=9,256 LASTDRIVE=F rem **** pcmcia soc svcs 2,0, crd svcs 2.0, rsc map util, pwr mgt util **** DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-C7FF /SH=1 DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS rem **** dos advanced power management **** devicehigh=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE rem **** pcmcia autoconfig **** DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI rem **** pcmcia ata/sram driver ***** rem DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\DISKDRV.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE rem COUNTRY=044,850,C:\DOS\COUNTRY.SYS SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM /E:1024 /P C:\DOS DEVICEhigh=C:\DOS\DISPLAY.SYS CON=(EGA,,1) DEVICEhigh=C:\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE rem **** thinkpad audio test -- do not load high => system hangs !!! **** rem DEVICE=C:\IBMAUDIO\DIAG\AUDTEST.SYS /V=10 rem **** thinkpad audio driver -- not required for windows sound system **** rem DEVICE=C:\IBMAUDIO\AUDIODD\TPAUDDD.SYS rem **** adaptec aspi (scsi) drivers for disk, tape, and cdrom **** DEVICEhigh=C:\SCSI\ASPI2DOS.SYS /pause /D /PCMCIA /Z DEVICEhigh=C:\SCSI\ASPIDISK.SYS /D DEVICEhigh=C:\SCSI\ASPICD.SYS /D:ASPICD0 AUTOEXEC.BAT: rem lh C:\IBMODEM\ESTDFM s1c2 lh C:\SCSI\MSCDEX.EXE /D:ASPICD0 /M:12 /L:e echo off PATH C:\WINDOWS;c:\dos;c:\thinkpad;c:\ucl\slip path %PATH%;C:\ALDUS;C:\FH4;c:\epsilon;c:\nu80;c:\nav30 SET TEMP=C:\TMP SET TMP=C:\TMP lh C:\dos\SMARTDRV.EXE 2048 1024 PROMPT [$p] MODE CON CODEPAGE PREPARE=((850) C:\DOS\EGA.CPI) MODE CON CODEPAGE SELECT=850 lh KEYB UK,,C:\DOS\KEYBOARD.SYS /ID:166 rem lh C:\DOS\DOSKEY rem lh C:\WINDOWS\mouse.COM /Y break on rem **** thinkpad feature specific settings **** SET READIBM=C:\READIBM\READIBM.PRO SET PS2MSG=C:\THINKPAD\PS2.MSG rem lh C:\THINKPAD\FUELDOS lh c:\tn\3c589pd lh c:\tn\winpkt 96 cls type c:\dos\motd.txt From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:08:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08590; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:08:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00532; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:06:45 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:03:33 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29984; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:03:32 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA43129; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:03:18 GMT Message-Id: <199510241403.AA43129@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:38:20 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: edb@scic.intel.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Ed, On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:31:46 -0700 you wrote: >I have NT 3.5.1 Workstation installed on a 755C. It does work marginally. >I can't select 256 color mode or 1024x768 and there is no Audio. It's pretty normal that your Thinkpad doesn't select 1024x768, as the max you can raise is 640x480. Only for xternal Monitor attached to your 755C is it possible to have that resolution. For Audio, try to see if there is any suggested solution at ftp.pcco.ibm.com , in the dir /pub/mobiles . Bye by aenna@ibm.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:11:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08922; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:11:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00530; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:06:45 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:05:40 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00295; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:05:38 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA27089; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:05:33 GMT Message-Id: <199510241405.AA27089@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:31:29 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: baker@ada.cs.fsu.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: unsubscribe On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:21:53 GMT you wrote: >It may be that others feel the way I do, and that may explain the >series of "unsubscribes". I'm afraid of all "departures" from this mail list, and your too. The only one thing I don't know is why leave the mail list, instead of try to better "read inside it" ! I found more practical and funny follow this thread than one in any of best know newsgroups. Most newsgroups have hundreds messages after one or two days, and I doesn't have the possibility to follow all threads. When months ago I' used to connect periodically to comp.sys.laptops , i.e., I was impressed by the number of messages I found to read! I didn't have soup+yarn, and so I was obliged to find messages titles that was interesting to me, and read only 1/10 of the messages in the newsgroup. At least Keith wrote to me and suggested to subscribe this mail list, and I was really happy to do it. Maybe we can do our best to let this mail list be better than today, but, please, don't leave us alone... :-( Bye by aenna@ibm.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:30:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09843; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:30:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02302; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:26:31 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:25:59 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02220; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:25:56 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA34875; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:25:33 GMT Message-Id: <199510241425.AA34875@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:47:45 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Serenella, On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:37:28 -0700 (PDT) you wrote: >According to the people I have talked with at the mail-order companies, the >760 will come with OS/2 installed, and I do intend to keep it. If I manage >to, I should end up with Dos, OS/2, WinNT and Linux (or a unix equivalent) >all on the Thinkpad. Wish me luck.... You'll have it! Partioning your Hard Disk (do order one of reasonable size!) you will install all you desire on top of Warp Boot Manager. > >I guess the mailing list will read a few messages requesting help from me, >in the next few weeks. > We're here to read about yours.... ;-) Ciao, Alberto Enna From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:31:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10007; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:31:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02061; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:24:32 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:23:33 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01937; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:23:32 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA35518; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:23:30 GMT Message-Id: <199510241423.AA35518@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:07:58 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Victor On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:39:32 +0100 you wrote: >I disagree! Win95 is a win 3.1 bug fix, and will last only as long as the >pentium processer. I'm told that win95 will actually run slower on a P6 >than it does on a pentium. Warp, NT, MacOS and the unixes are the ony >systems which will be around in 5 years. I agree , and many friends of mine told me that in more than one case they discovered that Win95 is slower on their P6 *AND* Pentium 75! I don't know more about Win95, as I'm Warped. I'm courious ,anycase, to know how Win95 performs on Thinkpads. What kind of performances on 750's ? >As a complete Warp convert, I >also recognise that NT has some significant advantages in regards to >network security. This is just useless overhead for most of us, but for >some applications it's the best thing going. What you exactly mean? What are these advantages? Bye by aenna@ibm.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:56:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11668; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:56:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04977; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:51:04 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:49:23 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04771; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:49:21 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA6947; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:43:15 -0700 Message-Id: <9510241743.AA6947@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id F71EFBA53FD2E21E8525625F004F2CC6; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:43:04 To: aenna Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 24 Oct 95 10:34:28 EDT Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....Now that there is Windows 95 , I'm really convinced that NT is obsolete and no more...." ~~~~~ no time soon, my friend. nt is a far superior operating system. it's being slammed right now for navigating like 3.11, but apparently that will change. nt is one of the few (and probably the most consumer compatable) operating systems that will run on pc's, power pc's, and dual processor boards. 95 is great for people at home who have to boot to floppy in order to play games, but, five years from now, infosys departments that knew better than to jump on the jingoistic win95 bandwagon will having the last laugh as they migrate to nt. (imho) now, if only the nt server would route ipx... Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 12:37:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20832; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:37:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14275; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:35:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:32:03 -0400 Received: from SSD.intel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13966; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:32:01 -0400 Received: from sv004.scic.intel.com by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00959; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:31:17 PDT Received: from rs028.scic.intel.com by sv004.scic.intel.com (4.1/sun41.1); Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:31:12 PDT Received: from localhost by rs028.scic.intel.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/rs32.1); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:31:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9510241631.AA19853@rs028.scic.intel.com> To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:38:20 EDT." <199510241403.AA43129@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:31:10 -0700 From: Ed Bunch >From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) >On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:31:46 -0700 you wrote: >>I have NT 3.5.1 Workstation installed on a 755C. It does work marginally. >>I can't select 256 color mode or 1024x768 and there is no Audio. >It's pretty normal that your Thinkpad doesn't select 1024x768, as the max you c >an raise is 640x480. Only for xternal Monitor attached to your 755C is it p >ossible to have that resolution. For Audio, try to see if there is any sugges >ted solution at ftp.pcco.ibm.com , in the dir /pub/mobiles . Bzzzt. I know this. I guess I should have been more verbose. Thanks for the pcco dir pointer. I had searched their web site for hits and found ZIP for NT. Lots O OS/2... go figure. ;-) Ed From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 12:42:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21191; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:42:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14279; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:35:14 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:34:19 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14141; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:34:14 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA03994; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:33:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:33:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Alberto Enna Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <199510241423.AA35518@ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Alberto Enna wrote: > Victor On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:39:32 +0100 wrote: > > >As a complete Warp convert, I > >also recognise that NT has some significant advantages in regards to > >network security. This is just useless overhead for most of us, but for > >some applications it's the best thing going. > > What you exactly mean? What are these advantages? We hashed over all this when this list first started. NT has multi-user capability, extra (extra extra) security, a supposedly more robust file system, multitasks slightly better (can service interrupt immediately instead of waiting for a timeslice to finish), etc. How useful these are on a laptop, or even for most users is questionable. Alberto, I understand your loyalty to OS/2 - I used it since version 1.3; but no product is better than the competition in all situations. Let's drop this silly My-OS-Is-Bigger-Than-Yours bickering. Somebody answer the original question the guy asked about NT on whatever model Thinkpad. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 14:12:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28863; Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:12:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21540; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:06:50 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:03:41 -0400 Received: from happy.qualcomm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21254; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:03:39 -0400 Received: from gjacobs (gjacobs.qualcomm.com [129.46.122.39]) by happy.qualcomm.com (8.6.12/QC-BSD-2.5.1) with SMTP id LAA20741 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:02:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199510241802.LAA20741@happy.qualcomm.com> X-Sender: gjacobs@mage X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:03:05 -0700 To: tp750 From: "Gary E. Jacobs" Subject: My 760CD delayed a month My TP760 due on Oct 23 fro PC Direct is now due Nov. 20. They managed to ship the memory however. Anyone else get delayed? Gary Jacobs gjacobs@qualcomm.com (619)658-4069 voice (619)658-2120 fax From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 15:15:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04342; Tue, 24 Oct 95 15:15:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26232; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:04:04 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:03:14 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26130; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:03:11 -0400 Received: from crissy.gemis.ge.com ([3.29.7.57]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA02868 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:02:59 -0400 Received: from salem.ge.com (carsdb.salem.ge.com [3.29.7.15]) by crissy.gemis.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA14280 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:51:58 -0400 Received: from spencer (spencer.salem.ge.com) by salem.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28365; Tue, 24 Oct 95 15:02:55 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 15:02:55 EDT Message-Id: <9510241902.AA28365@salem.ge.com> X-Sender: spenceae@spencer.salem.ge.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: andy@spencer.salem.ge.com (Andy Spencer) Subject: Dock 2/PCMCIA any known problems? I've got a DOCK II that I'm trying to use with both at TP755C and 755CSE. I'm seeing strange things w/ the PCMCIA cards. Both models work fine out of the Dock using the 3C589 & MHZ1144 cards. I'm using WinNT and Unix, with NT on the CSE, I can use the Modem but not the 3Com card in the dock, but with the C, neither card works in the Dock. When I use the 755C w/ Unix in the Dock, the CIS memory for both PCMCIA cards are garbage. I can see the CIS memory of the cards fine in the CSE and w/ Unix the CSE works with both cards in or out of the Dock. Does anyone know of any limitations on using PCMCIA slots w/ Dock II? It appears that the slots on the pad are #0 & #1, while the Dock's are #4 & #5. Is anyone using PCMCIA slots w/ a 755C on a Dock 2? Thanks. ================================================================ Andy Spencer GE Drive Systems andy@spencer.salem.ge.com 1501 Roanoke Blvd / 287 (703) 387-7361 Salem, VA 24153 ================================================================ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 15:17:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04481; Tue, 24 Oct 95 15:17:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26146; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:03:16 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:01:13 -0400 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26025; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:01:09 -0400 Received: from lennon.cc.gatech.edu (aust@lennon.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.9.20]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14979 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from aust@localhost) by lennon.cc.gatech.edu (8.7.1/8.6.9) id PAA06743 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:01:01 -0400 (EDT) From: aust@cc.gatech.edu (Dietmar Aust) Message-Id: <199510241901.PAA06743@lennon.cc.gatech.edu> Subject: unsubscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text unsubscribe Dietmar Aust aust@cc.gatech.edu Please remove me from the mailing-list. ThanX. -dietmar. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dietmar Aust email: aust@cc.gatech.edu 301 10th Street NW phone: (office) (001) 404-894-7374 Apt. 313 A (home) (001) 404-815-3194 Atlanta, GA 30318 URL:http://www.cc.gatech.edu/people/home/aust USA "If you understand what you're doing, you are not learning anything" anonymous ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 16:08:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09293; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:08:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01263; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:01:23 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:59:30 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00952; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:59:25 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA06873 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:59:09 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA27889 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:59:07 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24802; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:54:35 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:54:35 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510241954.AA24802@berlioz.nsc.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: external CDROM with TP755CX Hello, I am planning to buy a NEC Multispin CDR-401 3XP portable CR-ROM with APA-1460 SCSI2 PCMCIA adaptor to be used with TP755CX. Does anyone had any experience with this combination? Also, I will install Linux on this Thinkpad later. Does anyone see any potential problem? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 16:28:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11038; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:28:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03568; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:25:27 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:24:06 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03400; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:24:04 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA00886 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:23:57 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id NAA08424 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:23:56 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510242023.NAA08424@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? To: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:23:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199510241423.AA35518@ibm.net> from "Alberto Enna" at Oct 24, 95 01:07:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I disagree! Win95 is a win 3.1 bug fix, and will last only as long as the > >pentium processer. I'm told that win95 will actually run slower on a P6 > >than it does on a pentium. Warp, NT, MacOS and the unixes are the ony > >systems which will be around in 5 years. Sounds to me like you're speaking in terms of Market share (as this is what allows an OS to survive, since no OS is an island and requires apps written for it to live). If that is the case, I can't help but question the Warp evaluation, and for that matter maybe even the MacOS evaluation (though I think the MacOS could make wonderful inroads if they simple wrote it to work on non-Motorola- based platforms). Anything but a Unix flavor or a Windows-based ('95, NT, whatever) derivative is in grave danger of being permanently assigned either a tiny niche market or complete eradication 5 years from now. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 16:45:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11860; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:45:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05501; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:42:49 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:42:00 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05386; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:41:58 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16189; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:41:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:41:56 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510242041.AA16189@nile.gnat.com> To: aenna@ibm.net, kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? in fact it seems quite hard to unsubscribe from this mailing list, I have been trying to get off it for a while. These latest silly operating systems wars between NT and Win/95 remind me of how much non-thinkpad stuff is creeping into this list. Please unsubscribe me (I already sent two messages to tp750-REQUEST! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 17:01:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12831; Tue, 24 Oct 95 17:01:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07014; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:56:48 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:55:50 -0400 Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06877; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:55:46 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA00468; Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:55:07 MDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:55:07 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9510242055.AA00468@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? > Anything but a Unix flavor or a Windows-based ('95, NT, whatever) > derivative is in grave danger of being permanently assigned either a tiny > niche market or complete eradication 5 years from now. Yep, this seems to be the direction in which we're headed. Maybe Darwin has been misquoted all these years. Perhaps he really said "survival of the shittest". - key -- Karl E. Yeanoplos Denver, CO kyeanopl@den.mmc.com / key@csn.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 17:44:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16438; Tue, 24 Oct 95 17:44:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11389; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:42:55 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:40:58 -0400 Received: from vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11247; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:40:44 -0400 Received: from vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.200]) by vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00435 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:26:00 -0400 Received: from SERVER1/MAILQ by vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 95 17:43:20 +1100 Received: from MAILQ by SERVER1 (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 95 17:43:09 +1100 From: "Peter W. Borders" Organization: Business Division - TCC VB To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:43:06 EST Subject: Re: HD compressor Reply-To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: > Date sent: Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:43:26 PDT > From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) > To: TP750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: HD compressor > > Hi, > > Are anyone using any disk compression utility on OS2 (like Stacker)? I have > a TP755CX with Warp and DOS installed (dual boot). There is a Stacker > compression utility that come with PCDOS 7.0. I am wondering if I could use > it and OS2 with still works file? > > Thanks. > > -William Ng > The PC-DOS version of stacker will not work under OS/2 but you can buy Stacker 4.0 for OS/2 and it has a DOS version included. I use it under PC-DOS 7.0 and OS/2 Warp on my thinkpad. Pete Peter W. Borders Network Engineer - Business Division - Tidewater Community College tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 17:58:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17668; Tue, 24 Oct 95 17:58:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12660; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:57:35 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:56:48 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12546; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:56:47 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA31670; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:56:42 GMT Message-Id: <199510242156.AA31670@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 22:31:05 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: gjacobs@qualcomm.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: My 760CD delayed a month On Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:03:05 -0700 you wrote: >My TP760 due on Oct 23 fro PC Direct is now due Nov. 20. They managed to >ship the memory however. Anyone else get delayed? Hope you'll not have to wait for 5 months like me with my TP755CD...! I don't know why IBM is so "slow" with CD machines... ;-) Bye by Alby/Warp From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 18:07:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18507; Tue, 24 Oct 95 18:07:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13241; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:03:38 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:02:47 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13047; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:02:45 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA17005; Tue, 24 Oct 95 18:02:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 18:02:42 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510242202.AA17005@nile.gnat.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Randy says: " Anything but a Unix flavor or a Windows-based ('95, NT, whatever) derivative is in grave danger of being permanently assigned either a tiny niche market or complete eradication 5 years from now." Unix is now a tiny niche market, and will remain so. OS/2 has already sold and installed far more copies than all versions of Unix in all of time. If you don't see it around much, it just goes to show that you move in restricted circules, which we all do :-) WARP is primarily used for mission-critical strategic corporate programming, where Unix has VERY little presence. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 18:42:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20814; Tue, 24 Oct 95 18:42:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15999; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:40:16 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:38:32 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15756; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:38:07 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 23:24:00 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:23:59 GMT Message-Id: <14175.9510242223@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, dewar@nile.gnat.com, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? >WARP is primarily used for mission-critical strategic corporate >programming, where Unix has VERY little presence. Let us be direct about this -- the WARP/Windows/UNIX/Linux debate belongs in a different newsgroup -- probably an advocacy group -- continued discussion here (except in the context of how to get an operating system up and running on a Thinkpad) is not appropriate. Let us all stop this OS advocacy stuff before I wax philosophic about the virtues of large scale clusters of IBM 360/370 derived architecture machines and IBM supported network operating systems. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 19:28:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23601; Tue, 24 Oct 95 19:28:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18899; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:27:49 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:26:24 -0400 Received: from nynexst.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18739; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:26:22 -0400 Received: from insight.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA20096; Tue, 24 Oct 95 19:23:34 EDT Received: from localhost by insight.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06445; Tue, 24 Oct 95 19:25:51 EDT Message-Id: <9510242325.AA06445@insight.nynexst.com> To: ucklw08 Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu, dewar@nile.gnat.com, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:23:59 GMT." <14175.9510242223@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:25:49 -0400 From: Gen Cerf > Let us be direct about this -- the WARP/Windows/UNIX/Linux debate > belongs in a different newsgroup -- probably an advocacy group -- > continued discussion here (except in the context of how to get an > operating system up and running on a Thinkpad) is not appropriate. I couldn't agree more. As someone who has learned alot from the people who DO help us get things running on the TP, I would hate to see them unsubscribe, just because a few people are unable or unwilling to exercise restraint and limit their verbiage. Perhaps it would help if the experienced users quickly sent out red alert messages when they see one of these unproductive threads starting...! Gen Cerf Speech Recognition & Language Understanding Services NYNEX Science & Technology From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 22:51:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09466; Tue, 24 Oct 95 22:51:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02770; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:49:46 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:45:59 -0400 Received: from fosters.roc.servtech.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02642; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:45:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:46:19 EST Message-Id: <9510272246.AA02636@fosters.roc.servtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Randall King" Reply-To: To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: external CDROM with TP755CX X-Mailer: In reply to: > >Hello, > >I am planning to buy a NEC Multispin CDR-401 3XP portable CR-ROM with >APA-1460 SCSI2 PCMCIA adaptor to be used with TP755CX. Does anyone >had any experience with this combination? Also, I will install Linux >on this Thinkpad later. Does anyone see any potential problem? I am using the Slim SCSI card in my 755CX, in Windows 95. I hook in to a doublespin Sony knock off drive, and it worked perfect. I also used the same adaptor and CDROM in Windows 3.1. They both work great. RK From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 09:27:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22939; Wed, 25 Oct 95 09:27:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20138; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:25:59 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:21:12 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19789; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:21:08 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id GAA29247; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 06:21:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199510251321.GAA29247@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 06:24:14 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? On Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:41:56 -0400 you wrote: I agree with the below. The Linex (SP?) questions are 'way out of hand; far beyond discussions that are thinkpad-specific. Questions about how to implement an OS around peculiarities of the Thinkpads seem like fair game, but the Linex questions are all too frequently general in nature. Since Linex is such a specialized niche operating system, surely these questions belong in a Linex-specific list or newsgroup. There are days when the entire list is about the trials and travails of installing Linex . The Win v. Win95 v. NT stuff falls into the same category. I've refrained from responding to Randy Whittle's uninformed slams against OS/2 mainly because this list is not the place for that either, IMHO. >These latest silly operating >systems wars between NT and Win/95 remind me of how much non-thinkpad >stuff is creeping into this list. Please unsubscribe me (I already sent >two messages to tp750-REQUEST! > ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 ----------------------------- AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail | "If you run with wolves, howl like them." Old English proverb From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 10:14:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26472; Wed, 25 Oct 95 10:14:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24548; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:14:02 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:12:37 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24243; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:12:31 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA00671 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:16:31 +0800 Message-Id: <199510251416.AA00671@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:12:21 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Adaptec SlimSCSI in OS/2 For the past week I have been trying to get my 750C to recognise the SlimSCSI card in OS/2 to no avail. If somebody can help I shall be eternally grateful. My intention is to hook up the NEC 25 (single speed) CDRom drive to the SlimSCSI; EasyPlay recognises the card as a "APA 1460 SCSI Host Adaptor" but says its status is "not ready" (red X). Besides the Adaptec card, I have also a Megahertz modem and a Zip Drive on the parallel port as external devices, both working without problems. The relevant sections of my Config.Sys are as follows: basedev=aha152x.add - (Adaptec's latest driver from their Web site) device=c:\os2\boot\os2cdrom.dmd /Q BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD IFS=C:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS /Q If anybody can see something wrong or missing, please let me know. I shall summarize the replies when I have both working. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 13:25:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09847; Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:25:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11097; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:23:29 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:19:59 -0400 Received: from GAISBERG.EDRC.CMU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10732; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:19:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199510251719.NAA10732@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:19:17 EDT From: Peter F Brown To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT, Thinkpad & Memory Greetings Netland, I have a TP755Cs, with 12 Mbyte (4 + 8Mbyte Simm), ~500MB Disk. I would like to run NT, MS Office, Framemaker, etc on this box. I have a couple of questions... 1) Where can I get a 32Mb Simm that will work with this TP and at what cost? 2) What kind of problems have people had with running NT on the TP? 3) How do you deal with Office/Ethernet vs On the Road/SLIP/PPP network configurations (ala MacTCPSwitcher)? Finally, please no debates about OS/2 or other ops. This machine is going to run NT and maybe Linux. Period. Thanks for the pointers. Pete Peter F. Brown Email: pbrown@cmu.edu Engineering Design Research Center Phone: (412) 268-5226 Carnegie Mellon University Fax: (412) 268-5229 Hamburg Hall 1203 Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 13:46:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11223; Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:46:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13296; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:42:01 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:22 -0400 Received: from debka.bellcore.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13169; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:12 -0400 Received: (from ernie@localhost) by debka.bellcore.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA20074; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199510251741.NAA20074@debka.bellcore.com> From: Ernie Cohen To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP760 reviews? Has anybody seen any reviews/benchmarks of the 760 series (e.g., performance versus the pentium 755's)? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 13:49:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11460; Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:49:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14024; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:48:25 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:47:57 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13957; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:47:55 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01HWUY7A960W003GQH@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: NT, Thinkpad & Memory In-Reply-To: <199510251719.NAA10732@CS.UTK.EDU> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <814643219.274803.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > 3) How do you deal with Office/Ethernet vs On the Road/SLIP/PPP > network configurations (ala MacTCPSwitcher)? One TCP/IP package that does this very cleanly and easily is TGV's. Look at www.tgv.com for more info - runs under Windows and Win NT. Billy Y.. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 14:21:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13421; Wed, 25 Oct 95 14:21:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16943; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:19:13 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:17:59 -0400 Received: from CSD36.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16823; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:17:58 -0400 Received: by CSD36.CS.NYU.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA18902; Wed, 25 Oct 95 14:18:58 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 14:18:58 EDT From: kedem@CSD36.CS.NYU.EDU (Zvi Meir Kedem) Message-Id: <9510251818.AA18902@CSD36.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Reply-To: Hi all, I hope this is not an inappropriate question to ask in this forum. I have 750C on which currently I have Windows 3.1 installed. The disk is compressed using Stacker version 4.0. I have not made any changes to it (no BIOS upgrades, etc.) since I bought it in April 1994. Will there by any problem installing Windows 95 on it? Thanks in advance. -- Zvi From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 14:30:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14652; Wed, 25 Oct 95 14:30:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18098; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:29:05 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:26:33 -0400 Received: from SSD.intel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17674; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:26:31 -0400 Received: from sv004.scic.intel.com by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11573; Wed, 25 Oct 95 11:25:49 PDT Received: from rs028.scic.intel.com by sv004.scic.intel.com (4.1/sun41.1); Wed, 25 Oct 95 11:25:49 PDT Received: from localhost by rs028.scic.intel.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/rs32.1); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:25:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9510251825.AA20840@rs028.scic.intel.com> To: billy@mix.com Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT, Thinkpad & Memory In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:46:59 EDT." <814643219.274803.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:25:47 -0700 From: Ed Bunch Under Windows we use OnNet 2.0. The config.sys/autoexec.bat setup calls a little configuration editor they provide to switch the active interface back and forth. Sleeping and then switching is also supposed to be supported but it's aways seems like an unworkable solution to me. The Novell/Banyan drives I will usually use at work don't like me to just unplug the network. I'm not sure how OnNet's NFS and stack behave if you do this; havn't tried it. Under NT I'm not sure their is any issue. It just seems to work for me. The built in Remote Access connects PPP when I'm at home and my Xircom card just works at work. Ed >From: billy@mix.com >> 3) How do you deal with Office/Ethernet vs On the Road/SLIP/PPP >> network configurations (ala MacTCPSwitcher)? >From: Peter F Brown >One TCP/IP package that does this very cleanly and easily is TGV's. >Look at www.tgv.com for more info - runs under Windows and Win NT. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 15:06:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18530; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:06:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22043; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:04:08 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:02:50 -0400 Received: from njitgw.njit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21839; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:02:47 -0400 Received: from njit.edu (homer-gw.njit.edu [128.235.1.199]) by njitgw.njit.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24393 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:01:54 -0400 Received: from random.njit.edu by njit.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00819; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:58:47 -0400 Received: by random.njit.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17662; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:04:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:04:27 -0400 From: marvin@homer.njit.edu (Marvin Nakayama) Message-Id: <9510251904.AA17662@random.njit.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760 reviews? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 13:42 EDT 1995 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:03 -0400 > From: Ernie Cohen > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: TP760 reviews? > > Has anybody seen any reviews/benchmarks of the 760 series (e.g., > performance versus the pentium 755's)? > > There was just a review of the 760CD in the New York Times yesterday. Also, the November issue of PC Computing has a two-page review of a pre-production unit of the 760CD. Finally, PC Week had a review of the unit on October 2, 1995 in which it was stated that the 90MHz version under Windows 95 "ran neck-and-neck with its 90MHz Pentium competition" and that doubling the RAM to 16MB almost doubles the system performance. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 15:17:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19491; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:17:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23244; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:15:27 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:14:35 -0400 Received: from polaris.cv.nrao.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22979; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:14:32 -0400 Received: by polaris.cv.nrao.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA40714; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:14:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:14:26 -0400 From: awootten@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Message-Id: <9510251914.AA40714@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP355Cs Memory advice sought Thinkpad friends, I should have bought more when I got it. What is the current advice concerning sources and prices? Clear skies, Al +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Alwyn Wootten (http://www.cv.nrao.edu/~awootten/) | | Astronomer, National Radio Astronomy Observatory | | 520 Edgemont Road, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475, USA| | (804)-296-0329 voice Let's build The Millimeter Array| | (804)-296-0278 FAX {> {> {> {> | +------------------------------^-----^-----^-----^------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 16:44:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25875; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:44:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01340; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:41:35 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:37:02 -0400 Received: from panix2.panix.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00802; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:36:57 -0400 Received: (from macd@localhost) by panix2.panix.com (8.7/8.7/PanixU1.3) id QAA27459; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael MacDonald To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: My 760CD delayed a month In-Reply-To: <199510242156.AA31670@ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mine has been delayed as well, with projected arrival set for 11/20. I too have received the extra 16MB of RAM I ordered. I hope this doesn't turn into another ridiculous 6 month waiting period like what happened with the 755cd. Michael MacDonald macd@panix.com mmacdon1@tinker.hofstra.edu On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Alberto Enna wrote: > On Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:03:05 -0700 you wrote: > > >My TP760 due on Oct 23 fro PC Direct is now due Nov. 20. They managed to > >ship the memory however. Anyone else get delayed? > > Hope you'll not have to wait for 5 months like me with my TP755CD...! > I don't know why IBM is so "slow" with CD machines... ;-) > Bye by > Alby/Warp > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 17:38:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00143; Wed, 25 Oct 95 17:38:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06158; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:36:57 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:35:15 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05944; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:35:10 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA02776 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 05:39:16 +0800 Message-Id: <199510252139.AA02776@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:35:03 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: SlimSCSI and OS/2... On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:29:58 +0100 you wrote: >Are you sure your card is a APA-1460 and not a APA-460? >(They are both called SlimSCSI, but the latter is really made by Trantor >for adaptec.) > I am sure, the APA-460 is no more in production, whereas my card is only 2 months old. Moreover, EasyPlaying recognises it as the 1460. >They both should work with OS/2. I've had no problems with my APA-460, >but the drivers are not the same! > Can you do me a favor and show me the relevant parts of your config.sys? It make give me a clue as to what I need to do. Thanks Eric. Regards Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 17:40:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00179; Wed, 25 Oct 95 17:40:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06474; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:39:35 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:38:35 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06371; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:38:27 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA02788 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 05:42:20 +0800 Message-Id: <199510252142.AA02788@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:38:07 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TMOTTONEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Adaptec SlimSCSI in OS/2 On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:26:17 +0200 (EET) you wrote: > I had some startup troubles with my SlimSCSI (in DOS though). > I solved it by installing the latest PCMCIA drivers from IBM > ftp/www site (http://www.pc.ibm.com). The AUTODRV.INI file > from the new PCMCIA driver disk has the following line: > > ... > [SCSI] > CardID=SCSI > Option=Ignore <--- this seems to make the difference > ... I have the latest drivers but I have not hitherto looked into the AUTODRV.INI file. I shall now do so. Thanks for the tip! Regards Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 18:35:02 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06302; Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:35:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10760; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:33:35 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:32:00 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10657; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:31:56 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA08284 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:31:41 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA08176 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:31:38 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15435; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:27:07 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:27:07 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510252227.AA15435@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: tp755cx in suspend mode Hello, I am wondering if anyone experienced the following problems with any model of tp: 1. Let the TP sit for a long time with no A/C. The notebook should go into suspend mode. It should still be consuming power until the battery goes real low and the notebook stuck there and fail to respond to any keystroke even though the A/C is plugged in at this point. Hitting Fn->F4 could not get the machine off the suspend mode. The only solution is to hit the reset switch at the back. 2. This is more or less the same as above. Operate the machine with battery only until the orange power light blinks. At this point, according to the menu, you have one minute to plug in the A/C. If you don't, the notebook will then go into the suspend mode. Any keystroke (including the Fn->F4) will not get the machine off the suspend mode even after the A/C plugged in. Again the only solution is the reset button. Is this a feature or bug? or if this is only me? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 22:45:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22129; Wed, 25 Oct 95 22:45:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26642; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:44:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:40:55 -0400 Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26354; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:40:49 -0400 Received: from Thinkpad (ts38-7.wla.ts.ucla.edu [164.67.22.100]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA24520; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:40:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:40:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199510260240.TAA24520@rho.ben2.ucla.edu> X-Sender: dpark@pop.ben2.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Ernie Cohen From: Dennis Park Subject: Re: TP760 reviews? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 01:41 PM 10/25/95 -0400, you wrote: >Has anybody seen any reviews/benchmarks of the 760 series (e.g., >performance versus the pentium 755's)? > > The 760 Thinkpad is reviewed in PC Computing, also on the cover (Nov issue I believe) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 01:55:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05135; Thu, 26 Oct 95 01:55:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08560; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:55:27 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:50:46 -0400 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08359; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:50:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199510260550.BAA08359@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from dialup-2.ucl.ac.uk by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 05:50:35 +0000 X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: "A. J. Annala" Subject: CU-SeeMe -- "Video For Windows" PCMCIA for Thinkpad 750Cs? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 05:50:37 +0000 Does anyone know of a "Video for Windows" implementation for Thinkpad 750Cs? I would like to use it with the new INTERNET interactive video CU-SeeMe code. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 01:56:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05141; Thu, 26 Oct 95 01:56:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08677; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:56:16 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:55:24 -0400 Received: from huey.cadvision.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08529; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:55:19 -0400 Received: from cad66.cadvision.com by huey.cadvision.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.04.tri.dcx) id AA21168; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:51:00 -0600 Message-Id: <9510260551.AA21168@huey.cadvision.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David S. Crombie" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:53:53 +0000 Subject: trackpoint II speed Dos vs. windows Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Quick question: When using my Trackpoint on my 360C in Windows it seems very quick. When I am in a dos game/program it seems sluggish. Is there any way to change this in Dos??? Thanks all David S. Crombie dcrombie@cadvision.com 102035.3354@compuserve.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 03:23:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09270; Thu, 26 Oct 95 03:23:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14123; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:22:31 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:19:53 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13913; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:19:48 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA04071 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:23:41 +0800 Message-Id: <199510260723.AA04071@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:19:26 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TMOTTONEN@cc.Helsinki.FI Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Adaptec SlimSCSI in OS/2 On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:26:17 +0200 (EET) you wrote: > I had some startup troubles with my SlimSCSI (in DOS though). > I solved it by installing the latest PCMCIA drivers from IBM > ftp/www site (http://www.pc.ibm.com). The AUTODRV.INI file > from the new PCMCIA driver disk has the following line: > > ... > [SCSI] > CardID=SCSI > Option=Ignore <--- this seems to make the difference > ... > I have verified that OS/2 works slightly differently. The AUTOCONFIG.INI doesnt support SCSI in the same way as the Dos version does. You require the device point enabler by the third party vendor to enable it. I do have this but it doesnt seem to work. I am beginning to suspect maybe its the card that is faulty and not the system setup. Anyhow thanks for the suggestion. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 06:41:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18597; Thu, 26 Oct 95 06:41:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04316; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:41:07 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:38:03 -0400 Received: from mailer.together.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04061; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:38:01 -0400 Received: from sequoia.together.net (sequoia.together.net [204.97.120.25]) by mailer.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA15116 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:38:01 -0400 Received: from VTR165.ramp.together.net (VTR165.ramp.together.net [204.97.125.16]) by sequoia.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA21100 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:41:03 -0400 From: byellin@together.net (Bob Yellin) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:37:53 GMT Message-Id: <308f640d.4224545@together.net> References: <9510252227.AA15435@berlioz.nsc.com> In-Reply-To: <9510252227.AA15435@berlioz.nsc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99c/32.133 Yes, I had a similar experience. I didn't realize that the AC power cord wasn't firmly in place in the adapter and I ran the the battery down in the middle of some important work. After the machine went into suspend mode (or what ever mode it went into) and I realized that the power cord was out, I plugged it in. I couldn't get it running with the usual methods (pressing the function key, etc.) so I activated the power switch (I believe that's what you meant by "reset") and the machine turned on again. The amazing thing is that the machine did not reboot, but instead went right back to the place I had left off and no data was lost. I haven't been able to find this feature documented in the IBM manual or but hat's off to IBM. It's a great feature! Bob Yellin byellin@together.net >Hello, > >I am wondering if anyone experienced the following problems with any model of tp: > >1. Let the TP sit for a long time with no A/C. The notebook should go into suspend > mode. It should still be consuming power until the battery goes real low and > the notebook stuck there and fail to respond to any keystroke even though the > A/C is plugged in at this point. Hitting Fn->F4 could not get the machine off the > suspend mode. The only solution is to hit the reset switch at the back. > >2. This is more or less the same as above. Operate the machine with battery only until > the orange power light blinks. At this point, according to the menu, you have > one minute to plug in the A/C. If you don't, the notebook will then go into > the suspend mode. Any keystroke (including the Fn->F4) will not get the machine > off the suspend mode even after the A/C plugged in. Again the only solution > is the reset button. > >Is this a feature or bug? or if this is only me? > >Thanks. > >-William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 07:06:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19881; Thu, 26 Oct 95 07:06:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05726; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:05:24 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:04:28 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05607; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:04:27 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id EAA18898; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:04:24 -0700 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma018893; Thu Oct 26 04:04:23 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com ([158.140.170.77]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA03347; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:05:16 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:05:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199510261105.EAA03347@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 02:18 PM 10/25/95 EDT, you wrote: >I have 750C on which currently I have Windows 3.1 installed. The disk >is compressed using Stacker version 4.0. > >I have not made any changes to it (no BIOS upgrades, etc.) since I >bought it in April 1994. > >Will there by any problem installing Windows 95 on it? The answer is: Maybe... Go to the IBM PC homepage (//www.pc.ibm.com) and go the ThinkPad section. There are a number of updates and assorted BIOS drivers that need to be loaded before you attempt to migrate from Win 3.1 or 3.11 to 95. IBM also provides a "Setup" disk that you can download that prepares your 75O-755 for the Win95 migration. This disk needs to be loaded before you load the first Win95 disk. Fair warning: the 75X ThinkPads have been notorious for running into compatibility problems when running Win95 (I can attest to this 1st hand as I have just recently loaded Win95 on my 755CDV). Any problems you encounter are going to cost $35 per incident since IBM doesn't support Win95 on the ThinkPads for free. As it stands right now, the 755's can't run in the DockII while running Win95, although IBM and Microsoft have assured me that the problem will be resolved shortly. Have fun! Regards, -Ted ******************************** Ted Frederick Mgr. DM Practice Cadence Design Systems tedf@cadence.com ******************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 07:13:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19893; Thu, 26 Oct 95 07:13:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06257; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:13:04 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:12:28 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06194; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:12:26 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id EAA19457; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:12:24 -0700 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma019452; Thu Oct 26 04:12:22 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com ([158.140.170.77]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA03351; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:13:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:13:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199510261113.EAA03351@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: andy@spencer.salem.ge.com (Andy Spencer) From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: Dock 2/PCMCIA any known problems? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Try downloading the YPTF012.EXE patch from the IBM pc web server (www.pc.ibm.com) it is supposed to fix a timing problem with the DockII. I have yet to see any improvement in stability in the system as my Win95 755CDV always locks-up in the Dock II, but it might work for you. I'm currently using the DockII as a bookshelf and paperweight. -Ted At 03:02 PM 10/24/95 EDT, you wrote: >I've got a DOCK II that I'm trying to use with both at TP755C and 755CSE. >I'm seeing strange things w/ the PCMCIA cards. Both models work fine out of >the Dock using the 3C589 & MHZ1144 cards. I'm using WinNT and Unix, with NT >on the CSE, I can use the Modem but not the 3Com card in the dock, but with >the C, neither card works in the Dock. > >When I use the 755C w/ Unix in the Dock, the CIS memory for both PCMCIA >cards are garbage. I can see the CIS memory of the cards fine in the CSE >and w/ Unix the CSE works with both cards in or out of the Dock. > >Does anyone know of any limitations on using PCMCIA slots w/ Dock II? It >appears that the slots on the pad are #0 & #1, while the Dock's are #4 & #5. >Is anyone using PCMCIA slots w/ a 755C on a Dock 2? > >Thanks. > > >================================================================ >Andy Spencer GE Drive Systems >andy@spencer.salem.ge.com 1501 Roanoke Blvd / 287 >(703) 387-7361 Salem, VA 24153 >================================================================ > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 09:19:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25653; Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:19:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14499; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:18:14 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:16:09 -0400 Received: from skypoint.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14328; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:16:07 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME by skypoint.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0t8RqO-00058tC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 07:55 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 07:55 CDT X-Sender: otoolec9@mirage.skypoint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: otooleco@pobox.com (Sean T. O'Toole) Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode >Yes, I had a similar experience... I >couldn't get it running with the usual methods (pressing the >function key, etc.) so I activated the power switch (I believe >that's what you meant by "reset") and the machine turned on >again. > >The amazing thing is that the machine did not reboot, but instead >went right back to the place I had left off and no data was lost. >I haven't been able to find this feature documented in the IBM >manual or but hat's off to IBM. It's a great feature! > >Bob Yellin byellin@together.net I bought my 750C used a few months back and have been testing battery charging schemes such as draining the battery all of the way down to see if, by cycling down a few times, I might be able to increase operating time. Well, the only way to cycle all of the way down is to let the machine go into the suspended mode. What I found was that activating the power switch *or* pressing the escape key after connecting to AC brought me right back to my page. After digging around under the floppy drive I found two batteries. One, the standard cell that keeps configuration alive, and the other, which is a nickle metal hydrate (or whatever) cell. This must be the power source that keeps your application in suspended state. It is a nice safety feature as I often review my mail and other downloaded stuff when I'm on the road or away from AC and if I start to spin the drive frequently I do run through the battery pretty fast. Regards, Sean O'Toole LFG, LLC otooleco@pobox.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 09:43:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26870; Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:43:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16534; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:42:30 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:41:55 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16450; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:41:52 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA10199; Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:41:48 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510260941.ZM10197@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:41:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ted Frederick "Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0?" (Oct 26, 4:05am) References: <199510261105.EAA03347@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 I can't say anything about stacker, but I installed Win95 over WFWG 3.11 through a network using a PCMCIA network adapter on my TP750Cs... I did however, upgrade the bios to the latest version just in case. I have had no major problems except that the APM gets "confused" every now and then, and won't let me go into suspend (w/ the power cord in, I think) but it works if I close the lid... Hope this helps... Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 09:59:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27470; Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:59:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18057; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:58:22 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:57:37 -0400 Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17983; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:57:35 -0400 Received: from ppp36.net21.binghamton.edu (ppp36.net21.binghamton.edu [128.226.21.36]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA29355 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199510261357.JAA29355@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: frederic@mail.binghamton.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Brian Frederick) Subject: List Management Hi there, I've been on the list for half a year or so. It is very useful, but its traffic has increased to the point where it's a nuisance. I know that Eric Thomas's LISTSERV package allows a subscriber set their subscription options to 'digest' - one big message a day containing all of the lists messages. This is a convenient way to deal with busy lists. It it possible to do that here? If it is, I'd like to do so. Thanks =brian Brian Frederick - frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu - (607) 777-6129 Network Analyst - Binghamton University - Computer Center From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 10:26:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28658; Thu, 26 Oct 95 10:26:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20554; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:25:45 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:23:17 -0400 Received: from garm.adm.ku.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20286; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:23:14 -0400 Received: from odont.ku.dk (server1.odont.ku.dk [130.225.107.2]) by garm.adm.ku.dk (8.6.10/8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13811 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:23:04 +0100 Received: from TS/MERCURY by odont.ku.dk (Mercury 1.21); 26 Oct 95 15:28:25 +1 Received: from MERCURY by TS (Mercury 1.21); 26 Oct 95 15:28:15 +1 From: "Anders Nattestad" Organization: Dental School, Univ. of Copenhagen To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:28:08 GMT+100 Subject: 755c and sound in Windows 95 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <3307A5D014F@odont.ku.dk> Hello all, I have been off the list for a while, so please excuse me if the question has been asked and answered before. I have checked at the archive site, but there are no archives there for the past 3 months. I need to get audio runing in Windows 95. I have never had it to work. I have tried to look into the document from IBM on Windows 95 on my 755c with no luck. Now the audio is there, but only as a continous staggering sound. I can get it to stop by playing some sound (which also is continous = bi-bi-bi-bi......) and then press stop. But next time some sound is starting - it keeps going. I have the latest utils (1.31), system disk (1.41), bios, video (1.33) and audio (1.41). I have even tried running the windows 95 preparation utility. No luck. Now I have appended the Thinkpad audio device to the NODRIVER.INF file as suggested in the win95 document from IBM. The device is now not in conflict with anything. The irq (5, 10, 11 or 15), i/o addresses and DMA's are all correct according to the setup utils from IBM. Any suggestions ??? Please e-mail a cc directly if at all possible. Thanks in advance. Anders Nattestad ------------------------------------------------------------------- Anders Nattestad, D.D.S., Ph.D, Associate professor, Dep. of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery and Chairman of Information Technology division, Dental School, Faculty of Health Science, University of Copenhagen Norre Alle 20, Copenhagen, Denmark, Ph.+4535326618, Fax +4535326625 ------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW homepage : http://www.odont.ku.dk/home/Anders.Nattestad/ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 10:51:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29898; Thu, 26 Oct 95 10:51:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23150; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:50:14 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:48:49 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23028; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:48:48 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa10195; 26 Oct 95 10:47 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA29468; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:47:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: Bob Yellin Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode In-Reply-To: <308f640d.4224545@together.net> Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Bob Yellin wrote: > Yes, I had a similar experience. I didn't realize that the AC > [...] > and I realized that the power cord was out, I plugged it in. I > couldn't get it running with the usual methods (pressing the > function key, etc.) so I activated the power switch (I believe > that's what you meant by "reset") and the machine turned on > again. > > The amazing thing is that the machine did not reboot, but instead > went right back to the place I had left off and no data was lost. > I haven't been able to find this feature documented in the IBM > manual or but hat's off to IBM. It's a great feature! I've been messing with the power management features of my (new!) 701cs, and noticed something in the user's guide which pretty closely covers the behavior you describe. It includes the following summary of methods for resuming from suspend, which i'm copying here in case it's useful: Resuming Your Computer from Suspend You can resume (restart) your computer from Suspend mode by doing any of the following: * Press the Fn key. [Bob said the Fn did *not* have this effect for him.] * Open the lid. * Press the power switch. [<-- The thing that did work for bob.] * Set the Resume on Alarm option. * Set the Resume on Ring option. I like this feature, too. ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 11:24:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00620; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:24:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26487; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:22:47 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:21:02 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26184; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:21:00 -0400 Received: from [128.125.223.96] (comserv-f-24.usc.edu [128.125.223.96]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA24112; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:28:21 -0700 To: "Arturo J. Morales" , From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 9:41 AM 10/26/95, Arturo J. Morales wrote: >I can't say anything about stacker, but I installed Win95 over WFWG 3.11 >through >a network using a PCMCIA network adapter on my TP750Cs... I did however, >upgrade the bios to the latest version just in case. I have had no major >problems except that the APM gets "confused" every now and then, and won't let >me go into suspend (w/ the power cord in, I think) but it works if I close the >lid... Speaking of which...for those of you who have upgraded to Win '95 on your 'Pads (I'm using a 750C), what have you done with/about your non-'95-native utilities like the ThinkPad features, Battery monitor, etc.? Is there updated ThinkPad utilities for Win '95? I hear that if your running "old" Windows software on Win '95 then its really not worth installing Win '95. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 11:31:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03202; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:31:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27229; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:30:23 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:28:59 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27046; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:28:57 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA10584; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:28:28 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510261128.ZM10582@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:28:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) "Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0?" (Oct 26, 8:28am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle), Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 On Oct 26, 8:28am, Randy Whittle wrote: > > Speaking of which...for those of you who have upgraded to Win '95 > on your 'Pads (I'm using a 750C), what have you done with/about your > non-'95-native utilities like the ThinkPad features, Battery monitor, etc.? > Is there updated ThinkPad utilities for Win '95? > > I hear that if your running "old" Windows software on Win '95 then > its really not worth installing Win '95. > I'm running the old Thinkpad stuff, and it works fine. I am, however, running Word, Excel and Powerpoint for Win95 and they run great, win 3.1 apps run well, but win95 apps run extremely fast under win95. I haven't found Win95 native apps for the thinkpad utilities, but you don't really need them, since Win95 has its own battery monitor and suspend support. >-- End of excerpt from Randy Whittle Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 11:38:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03493; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:38:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27901; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:36:39 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:35:58 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27787; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:35:55 -0400 Received: from [128.125.223.96] (comserv-f-24.usc.edu [128.125.223.96]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA25626; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:43:24 -0700 To: otooleco@pobox.com (Sean T. O'Toole), tp750@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode At 7:55 AM 10/26/95, Sean T. O'Toole wrote: >I bought my 750C used a few months back and have been testing battery >charging schemes such as draining the battery all of the way down to see if, >by cycling down a few times, I might be able to increase operating time. >Well, the only way to cycle all of the way down is to let the machine go >into the suspended mode. Not really, Sean. There is a "Deep Discharge" mode on your Battery Life indicator software (DOS or Windows--and of course OS/2 also). The only caveat is that you have to be plugged into AC for it to work (strangely enough--the idea is that after it discharges all the way it automatically kicks into Charging the battery back up again). ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 11:48:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03989; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:48:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29092; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:46:49 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:45:45 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28812; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:45:43 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA35854; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:45:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9510261545.AA35854@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Randy Whittle" at Oct 26, 95 08:28:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Randy Whittle wrote: > Speaking of which...for those of you who have upgraded to Win '95 > on your 'Pads (I'm using a 750C), what have you done with/about your > non-'95-native utilities like the ThinkPad features, Battery monitor, etc.? > Is there updated ThinkPad utilities for Win '95? I've been running Win95 on my 755cx since the end of August. Most of the apps I use are Win3.1 apps -- Lotus SmartSuite, Corel 4 (draw/photopaint), etc. The thinkpad utilities work fine -- I did update the utilities with the newer utilities disk from ftp.pc.ibm.com, but I don't think they're Win95 specific. Everything works just fine -- even stuff like the 16-bit Twain driver for my Primax ColorMobileOffice hand scanner. With the MWave 2.0 update and the updated FaxWorks, even the sound/modem/fax stuff works great. Basically, Win95 offered me two key advantages that make life much easier than if I were running Win3.1 or Warp. Networking & the Briefcase "object" Under Win95, Networking is pretty close to "hot-swappable". I don't have to reboot the 'pad to connect or disconnect from my home network. Whether I last booted on or off the net, just slip in the pcmcia ethernet card and everything's there -- network printer, drives mapped from my desktop system, whatever. When I need to take the 'pad with me, I just hit a menu selection and the thing unloads/disconnects all the networking; then remove the ethernet card, close the 'pad, and go -- no need to reboot. If I print to a networked printer while away from the net, (I let my desktop system do the spooling) the print job will be placed in the local spool area. When I connect back to the network, a window pops up asking if I want to print the jobs then -- this allows me to print stuff I'm working on when I'm working on it -- I don't have to remember later on which files I wanted to print out. The Briefcase, while it could use some work, is still very useful. I keep all my work under a particular directory, which is kept in the "Briefcase". Selecting "update" from a menu causes the 'pad to compare its copy of the directory tree to the copy stored on my desktop system -- updating everything that's changed on one or the other. Not only do I then have a consistant set of files on the two machines, but it also serves as a crude means of backing up the really important stuff on the 'pad. Now, this is just why *I* put Win95 on both my systems; it offered some nice solutions for my specific needs. If you don't do any networking and are happy with what you have, I'm not sure there's a strong argument for upgrading now. Also -- I have 24 meg of RAM in my 755cx -- it'd probably be a bit different if I were at 8 meg or less. Win95's sweet spot seems to be at around 12 meg. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 12:09:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06168; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:09:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01239; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:08:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:07:37 -0400 Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01133; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:07:33 -0400 Received: from localhost.gate.net (mgilula@seminole.gate.net [199.227.0.14]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA98537 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:07:17 -0400 Received: by localhost.gate.net (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA00396; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:05:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:05:38 -0400 (GMT-0400) From: "Marshall F. Gilula" To: GeneralMailing ThinkPadList Subject: OS thread(s) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII are important to me, but not in a flameful context. I enjoy reading what others write about WHY and HOW they adore OS/2, which I find laborious (partially from my own ignorance) and nonproductive. The Active Matrix color display continually amazes me with its clarity and crispness. I hope to find a way to install NEXTSTEP 3.3 on my 755CD with the "old" 100MHzDX4 486 rather than the Pentium cpu. There is actually a video driver for the 755CX under NEXTSTEP 3.3 but I am looking for information on the applicability to a 755CD. The actual video chip is the same for both models as reference by the appropriate Western Digital ID#.Because of the red-hot DSP sound capability, the 755 line might also offer a better audio implementation of the NEXTSTEP CD-quality sound than many of the more customary SB-16 NEXTSTEP for Intel audio implementations. -73- Marshall Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@gate.net el que busca nada mucho encuentra" NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** Carpe resurrectionem mortuorum From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 12:14:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06304; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:14:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01806; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:13:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:12:08 -0400 Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01686; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:12:04 -0400 Received: from efd.lth.se (f91el@saturnus-3 [130.235.41.13]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA17336; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:11:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199510261611.RAA17336@kobra.efd.lth.se> To: Ted Frederick Cc: kedem@cs.nyu.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu, f91el@efd.lth.se Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:05:16 MST." <199510261105.EAA03347@cds8962.Cadence.COM> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:11:18 +0100 From: Erik Lindahl Except for Stacker, I a have a machine running win95 with the above                                        a 750C with 20/ Megs running win95. (Well, rahter my      my mother has,.  .. I prefer to stick to OS/2...)  It works fine, except that sometimes it wouldn{t  't resume r correctly.  - it hanged when trying to play a sound after s reu sume. I think i solved the problem though, by disable ing intel SL support.   , just like IBM recommends you to do when installing win 3.1 (The thinkpad fet atures take cv are of APM)    Power mag nagement.) I have upgraded t                 upgraded the machine to the latest bios from ftp.o pcco.ibm.com before upgrading. (I think they recommend you to do so.) There  re are display drivers (accelerated, 32 bit) in win 95 for the thinkpad, but you have to remember to maintain your IBMVESA directory and TPADVESA in autoexec. The sounds  drivers didn{t  't work either, until I installed them the second time. (IBMs    drivers, that is. MS doesn{ 't provide any.) Since them n, there has appeared a new       new feature diskette and a new audio diskette that sopp   upport wid ndows 95. It might work with earlier releases - but I strongly suggest that you take the time and download the,.  m. As for      Further, I was told that                           If you have the possibility - I think that the best think g is to do a clean install.   , to get rid of any old win3.1 sut  tuff... In that way             And at the same time, drop stacker for the compression that comes with win95. (Drivespace.) Compression              Any compression will hurt performance, but with m Microsoft p  s program, at least the 32-bit disc k access will work..  (  (In os    OS/2         As for        Btw, if  if you run OS/2 i can recommend zi  ZipStream. F File by File compression, where the writing takes place on a very low-prio thread...) Well, in sur mmary: It will work just fine i on a 750C, but it might take some tweaking. Backup your d important data before jumping.;-9 ( ) regardsm , Erik From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 15:35:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20012; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:35:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20178; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:34:30 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:30:39 -0400 Received: from enterprise.america.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19684; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:30:23 -0400 Received: from rich by enterprise.america.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m0t8Y0B-001w4FC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:30 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:30 EDT X-Sender: richh@199.170.102.100 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: Richard Holtz unsubscribe richh@america.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Holtz, RRH Associates /www.hometeam.com/rrh.shtml Home Control [Automation] and Building Control Systems Consultants Tel: 904 676 2725 Cell FlipPhone: 904 679 4858 Fax: 904 676 0237 internet: rrh@america.com Compuserve: Used when in field 76507,2222 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 15:53:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21281; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:53:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22182; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:51:51 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:50:53 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22023; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:50:50 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:50 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:19:26 EDT from Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Subject: Adaptec SlimSCSI in OS/2 I am beginning to suspect maybe its the card that is faulty and not the system setup. I think this is probably the case. Your configuration is fine and I know the exact same configuration works on a 750C we have here. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 18:03:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00310; Thu, 26 Oct 95 18:03:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05626; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:02:53 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:56:05 -0400 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04846; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:55:59 -0400 From: Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02798; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:55:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:55:25 -0400 Message-Id: <951026175523_55257933@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List Management Good idea. I was just wondering about getting the Thinkpad mailing list as a digest. I'm also subscribed to the Honda mailing list and they give out frequent digests. Is a digest possible here? -Mark M. (Mark3M@aol.com) In a message dated 95-10-26 09:59:38 EDT, frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Brian Frederick) writes: >Hi there, > I've been on the list for half a year or so. It is very useful, but its >traffic has increased to the point where it's a nuisance. I know that Eric >Thomas's LISTSERV package allows a subscriber set their subscription options >to 'digest' - one big message a day containing all of the lists messages. >This is a convenient way to deal with busy lists. > > It it possible to do that here? If it is, I'd like to do so. > > Thanks > >=brian >Brian Frederick - frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu - (607) 777-6129 >Network Analyst - Binghamton University - Computer Center > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 19:19:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08139; Thu, 26 Oct 95 19:19:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13098; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:17:28 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:14:45 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12812; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:14:42 -0400 Received: from [128.125.222.122] (comserv-d-50.usc.edu [128.125.222.122]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA12105; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:22:11 -0700 To: "Lew Jansen" From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C? Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Thank you for your input, Lew! At 11:45 AM 10/26/95, Lew Jansen wrote: > Networking & the Briefcase "object" Can you network to "old" Windows for Workgroups? (i.e., if I put Win '95 on one machine and not the other, can they still talk to each other?) > Now, this is just why *I* put Win95 on both my systems; it offered some nice >solutions for my specific needs. If you don't do any networking and are happy >with what you have, I'm not sure there's a strong argument for upgrading now. I have a desktop PC and a Macintosh networked together via 10Base-T (I also have a 3Com card in my 'Pad). It runs Windows for Workgroups and to connect the Mac, something called "MacLan Connect" (which basically makes Windows speak Appletalk for the Mac's built-in networking). Between that and some Windows drivers that speak to a hardware card that communicates with my LaserJet 4 to produce 1200 dpi printing, I'm rather reticent about upgrading to Win '95. I don't know if these things will get along with the new Windows. > Also -- I have 24 meg of RAM in my 755cx -- it'd probably be a bit different >if I were at 8 meg or less. Win95's sweet spot seems to be at around 12 meg. I have 12 MB RAM on my 750C--enough, you think? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 20:31:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12415; Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:31:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17300; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:28:02 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:26:07 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17165; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:26:05 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for TP750@cs.utk.edu id AA13031; Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:26:00 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510262025.ZM13029@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:25:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) "Re: Windows 95 on 750C?" (Oct 26, 4:22pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 > At 11:45 AM 10/26/95, Lew Jansen wrote: > > > Networking & the Briefcase "object" > > Can you network to "old" Windows for Workgroups? (i.e., if I put > Win '95 on one machine and not the other, can they still talk to each > other?) > You just have to make sure that Win95 uses frame buffer size (i think) as 802.3, or is it 803.2? >> Now, this is just why *I* put Win95 on both my systems; it offered some nice >>solutions for my specific needs. If you don't do any networking and are happy >>with what you have, I'm not sure there's a strong argument for upgrading now. > > I have a desktop PC and a Macintosh networked together via 10Base-T > (I also have a 3Com card in my 'Pad). It runs Windows for Workgroups and > to connect the Mac, something called "MacLan Connect" (which basically > makes Windows speak Appletalk for the Mac's built-in networking). Between > that and some Windows drivers that speak to a hardware card that > communicates with my LaserJet 4 to produce 1200 dpi printing, I'm rather > reticent about upgrading to Win '95. I don't know if these things will get > along with the new Windows. > Be careful with the installation, I lost my network drivers during a crucial part of the installation and had to transfer the files via SneakerNet (c) and I had to go between rooms every time Win95 asked for a file from the CDROM. I had to wait for it to ask for it, so I could know what it needed... This happened about 12-15 times (good exercise :) I would suggest finding out about your specific drivers from the different manufacturers. >> Also -- I have 24 meg of RAM in my 755cx -- it'd probably be a bit different >>if I were at 8 meg or less. Win95's sweet spot seems to be at around 12 meg. > > I have 12 MB RAM on my 750C--enough, you think? > I'm running on 8 and it is (believe it or not) faster than OS/2 (at least with Win95 native 32 bit apps). Don't get me wrong, I'm not content with 8 megs, but as a grad student, I must cope with it, and Win95 makes life a lot easier... I've tried OS/2, Warp, Win3.11, WFWG, Linux and Win95, and I'm pretty happy with Win95 and Linux dual boot, but then again, that's my personal opinion... BTW, Where did you get MacLAN Connect? That is something I've been looking for for quite some time... Hope this helps Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 00:04:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25671; Fri, 27 Oct 95 00:04:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04412; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 00:03:50 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:58:42 -0400 Received: from cln.etc.bc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03561; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:58:41 -0400 Received: from sparky.etc.bc.ca by cln.etc.bc.ca for TP750@cs.utk.edu (4.1/1.39) id AA07633; Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:58:13 PDT Received: from ppreside.gov.bc.ca etc.bc.ca ([206.12.129.11]) by sparky.etc.bc.ca (4.1//ident-1.0) id AA02514; Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:56:02 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:55:57 PDT Message-Id: <9510270356.AA02514@sparky.etc.bc.ca> X-Sender: ppreside@pop.etc.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: MACLAN Connect Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Hi Randy; I would also be very interested in getting info on this software. Thanks Pat At 05:59 PM 95 08 09 -0700, Randy Whittle wrote: > Would the person who E-mailed me about a week ago regarding the use >of some software called "Personal MacLan Connect" to connect PC's with >Macintoshes via Ethernet please contact me? > > I lost your E-mail and don't have your address--but I'm pretty sure >you contacted me via this ThinkPad List. > > Just a quick reference: I bought it, and it seems to work >splendidly (even from my 'pad) for seeing stuff on the Mac, but I can't >seem to figure out how to get the Mac to "see" PC Drives. Any help would >be appreciated. > > Thank you! > >----- ____________________________ >Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | >USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | > "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| > Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- > -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner > > > > O _ | Pat Presidente | ======= | Technology Resource Teacher | |_-/_| | ppreside@cln.etc.bc.ca | P R E Z | SD 72 425 Pinecrest Rd | | | | 604-286-0651 Fx 286-9801 | ======= | Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | =======|"It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-JP | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 02:44:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06879; Fri, 27 Oct 95 02:44:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12837; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:43:42 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:37:15 -0400 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12298; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:37:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199510270637.CAA12298@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from dialup-2.ucl.ac.uk by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:37:08 +0000 X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: "A. J. Annala" Subject: IBM Representatives? Anyone on TP750 List? Elsewhere? Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:37:09 +0000 OK, I have a problem with the current Video Features Diskette drivers. Whenever I change resolution, the driver installation wipres out my note in SYSTEM.INI that it is OK to use B000-B7FF (unused Monochrome VGA area). So I have to keep going in and editing SYSTEM.INI when I change resolution. This is a definite bug -- it should be fixed. Where do I write? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 04:23:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12219; Fri, 27 Oct 95 04:23:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23101; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:22:47 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:21:55 -0400 Received: from garm.adm.ku.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23014; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:21:53 -0400 Received: from odont.ku.dk (server1.odont.ku.dk [130.225.107.2]) by garm.adm.ku.dk (8.6.10/8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23569 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:21:50 +0100 Received: from TS/MERCURY by odont.ku.dk (Mercury 1.21); 27 Oct 95 09:27:16 +1 Received: from MERCURY by TS (Mercury 1.21); 27 Oct 95 09:27:04 +1 From: "Anders Nattestad" Organization: Dental School, Univ. of Copenhagen To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:26:58 GMT+100 Subject: 755c and sound in Windows 95 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <34275CC0D20@odont.ku.dk> Hello all, I have been off the list for a while, so please excuse me if the question has been asked and answered before. I have checked at the archive site, but there are no archives there for the past 3 months. I need to get audio runing in Windows 95. I have never had it to work. I have tried to look into the document from IBM on Windows 95 on my 755c with no luck. Now the audio is there, but only as a continous staggering sound. I can get it to stop by playing some sound (which also is continous = bi-bi-bi-bi......) and then press stop. But next time some sound is starting - it keeps going. I have the latest utils (1.31), system disk (1.41), bios, video (1.33) and audio (1.41). I have even tried running the windows 95 preparation utility. No luck. Now I have appended the Thinkpad audio device to the NODRIVER.INF file as suggested in the win95 document from IBM. The device is now not in conflict with anything. The irq (5, 10, 11 or 15), i/o addresses and DMA's are all correct according to the setup utils from IBM. Any suggestions ??? Please e-mail a cc directly if at all possible. Sincerely Anders ------------------------------------------------------------------- Anders Nattestad, D.D.S., Ph.D, Associate professor, Dep. of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery and Chairman of Information Technology division, Dental School, Faculty of Health Science, University of Copenhagen Norre Alle 20, Copenhagen, Denmark, Ph.+4535326618, Fax +4535326625 ------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW homepage : http://www.odont.ku.dk/home/Anders.Nattestad/ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 04:24:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12225; Fri, 27 Oct 95 04:24:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22768; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:19:31 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:17:28 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22675; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:17:23 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA08296 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:21:13 +0800 Message-Id: <199510270821.AA08296@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 15:56:48 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: 760CD Keyboard Tilt I saw the 760CD at Comdex Asia yesterday and managed to get a few minutes hands-on experience with it. I wont bore everyone with superlatives but one aspect of the design I am not impressed with and that is the keyboard tilt. When the cover is lifted the keyboard detaches itself away from the body of the computor at the screen end and is raised at an angle supported by two spring metal clips clearly visible from the outside. The base of the computor continues to lie flat on the table. When I saw this I wondered about the heat. In the case of the 75x series, when the two "legs" are extended the whole computor is slanted at an angle which provides a space for heat dissipation. Here there is no such space since the base remains horizontal. The angle of the tilt is also very acute, and may not be sufficiently comfortable for those who are used to the tilting angle provided by the 75x series. I didnt ask whether the angle could be varied but it does not appear so given that the two metal clips could be seen. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 09:55:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00228; Fri, 27 Oct 95 09:55:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22598; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:55:13 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:51:35 -0400 Received: from rmii.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22212; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:51:33 -0400 Received: from slip1135.rmii.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #4) id m0t8p8V-000JegC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 07:47 MDT Message-Id: X-Sender: lee@rmii.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:52:50 -0600 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: lee@rmii.com (Lee Stewart) Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode > You can resume (restart) your computer from Suspend mode by doing any of > the following: > > * Press the Fn key. [Bob said the Fn did *not* have this effect for him.] FYI..Having played with this on mine a lot, you have to press the Fn key for longer than just a quick tap.. Lee Stewart 755C From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 10:18:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03990; Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:18:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24684; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:17:19 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:13:10 -0400 Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24214; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:13:07 -0400 Received: from ts34-5.wla.ts.ucla.edu (ts34-5.wla.ts.ucla.edu [164.67.22.34]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA106192 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:12:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:12:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199510271412.HAA106192@rho.ben2.ucla.edu> X-Sender: sshaw@pop.ben2.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Stanford Shaw Subject: TP760 TILT KEYBOARD Can the tilt feature on the TP760 be shut off or suspended if it is not desired? Stanford J. Shaw sshaw@ucla.edu Professor of Turkish and Judeo-Turkish History University of California Los Angeles, CA, 90024 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 11:40:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09472; Fri, 27 Oct 95 11:40:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05449; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:38:38 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:35:57 -0400 Received: from skypoint.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05137; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:35:55 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME by skypoint.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0t8qhT-0005JXC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:28 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:28 CDT X-Sender: otoolec9@mirage.skypoint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: otooleco@pobox.com (Sean T. O'Toole) Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode >> You can resume (restart) your computer from Suspend mode by doing any of >> the following: >> >> * Press the Fn key. [Bob said the Fn did *not* have this effect for him.] > Something peculiar happens to my 750c when it wakes from suspended mode. My mouse pointer won't move. Anyone else ever seen this occur? Any ideas? Regards, Sean O'Toole LFG, LLC otooleco@pobox.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 11:48:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10426; Fri, 27 Oct 95 11:48:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06211; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:47:42 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:47:10 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06137; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:47:03 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0-FZ-2.2) id AA04560; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:46:52 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0-FZ-2.2) id AA00369; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:45:22 -0700 From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:45:20 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Infrared Port Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8bq m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8bq m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Is anyone doing anything with the IR port? I'd be interested to know what. I'd like to be able to use my IR port to communicate with my HP48sx, as well as be able to use it as an IR remote for my TV. I don't actually want to sit in front of the TV with the ThinkPad on my lap to control it, but I thought it would be neat for automation of some things, like setting the clock on my VCR. I can keep the ThinkPad sync'd with real time, and whenever the power went out, I could tell it to reset the clock on my VCR. It'd be very handy! Unfortunately, right now, I can't do anything with the IR port. It doesn't seem to be working. It's also currently having problems that when I cold boot it, it hangs, and I have to let the computer warm up a bit, and then restart it, so I'm sending my ThinkPad in for repair. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy., Napa, CA, 94558 MIME ok, NeXTMail tolerated From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 13:37:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18680; Fri, 27 Oct 95 13:37:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15283; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:36:46 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:33:54 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14953; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:33:52 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA25097; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:33:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199510271733.NAA25097@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: Mark3M@aol.com Cc: frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List Management In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:55:25 EDT." <951026175523_55257933@emout05.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:33:43 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > I was just wondering about getting the Thinkpad mailing list as a digest. > I'm also subscribed to the Honda mailing list and they give out frequent > digests. > > Is a digest possible here? I am currently testing out a digestifier. Once I verify that it works, I'll offer subscriptions to a tp750-digest list in addition to the normal list. Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 15:08:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25016; Fri, 27 Oct 95 15:08:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23393; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:06:43 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:04:39 -0400 Received: from chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23165; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:04:36 -0400 Received: (from steverod@localhost) by chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA19523 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:04:33 -0700 From: Steve Rodrigues Message-Id: <199510271904.MAA19523@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: 701 Internal Modem? To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First off, is this even the right place to be asking questions about the 701, or should I slink off to another list? Secondly, hi. I just joined the ranks of ThinkPad owners with a 701C. I bought it partially because I'm going to be taking a trip overseas soon, and I want to (a) do work while I'm gone; and (b) try to stay in contact while abroad (I will be in Singapore, Thailand, and India, which will make life interesting for connectivity, but doable). Anyways, the manual for the 701 modem says "this can only be used in the US and Canada" - it's a standard RJ11 jack. This sent a shiver through me - after all, one of the selling points of the machine (for me) was the modem. So, (a) does anyone know why the manual says this? Is it just to CYA? (b) has anyone used one of these modems abroad? Or can give a justifiable reason why I should plug into the overseas network without such experience? (c) If directly plugging into the phone line isn't a good idea, can I buy any adapters (other than a new modem :)? Thanks! Steve -- Steve Rodrigues | Lost, yesterday, somewhere between sunrise and Expatriate Texan | sunset, two golden hours, each set with sixty UC Berkeley, Dept. of EECS | diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for they steverod@cs.berkeley.edu | are gone forever. -- Horace Mann From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 16:53:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04327; Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:53:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02400; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:52:01 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:48:35 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01999; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:48:33 -0400 Received: from [128.125.224.54] (comserv-h-54.usc.edu [128.125.224.54]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA29941; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:56:02 -0700 To: "Arturo J. Morales" , TP750@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C? At 8:25 PM 10/26/95, Arturo J. Morales wrote: >BTW, Where did you get MacLAN Connect? That is something I've been looking for >for quite some time... >Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu I got MacLAN Connect from some mail order outfit (that's pretty much the only way to get Mac stuff these days). Which one? I'm not sure! But I think it was probably MacWarehouse. The company that makes it is (I think) "Miramar Systems" and they're located near the Santa Barbara, California area (I think the city is Goleta, but I'm not sure). It was about $150, as I recall. Well worth it if you're trying to get the two different platforms to talk to each other. It does a neat job of both file and printer sharing. I first found out about them via a member of this list! His name is Duane Spellecacy and his E-mail address (if he's not on the list anymore and can't speak for himself) is dspellec@corcomsv.corcom.com. I also found out more about it via a little web-surfing--perhaps once you do some of that you can get a number for them and perhaps a distributor. Let me know how it goes... ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 17:25:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06931; Fri, 27 Oct 95 17:25:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05046; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:23:30 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:22:44 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04974; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:22:41 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA05063; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA12259; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510272122.OAA12259@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: <199510270821.AA08296@linux.nicotra.com.sg> from "Wilson Yip" at Oct 27, 95 03:56:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > When the cover is lifted the keyboard detaches itself away from > the body of the computor at the screen end and is raised at an > angle supported by two spring metal clips clearly visible from > the outside. The base of the computor continues to lie flat on > the table. When I saw this I wondered about the heat. In the > case of the 75x series, when the two "legs" are extended the > whole computor is slanted at an angle which provides a space for > heat dissipation. Here there is no such space since the base > remains horizontal. On my 750C, it gets pretty hot under there, but... I almost never use the little legs. Not that I don't like them, but I just forget about them and don't go through the trouble of opening them up. > The angle of the tilt is also very acute, and may not be > sufficiently comfortable for those who are used to the tilting > angle provided by the 75x series. I didnt ask whether the angle > could be varied but it does not appear so given that the two > metal clips could be seen. But all this could be moot if there are *also* a pair of extending legs in the bottom of the 760. Are there? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 18:11:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09819; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:11:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08841; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:10:38 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:08:09 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08471; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:08:06 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA04383; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:54:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: "Sean T. O'Toole" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Sean T. O'Toole wrote: > Something peculiar happens to my 750c when it wakes from suspended mode. My > mouse pointer won't move. Anyone else ever seen this occur? Any ideas? If you're using Windows, this is usually the result of having DOS type (or something like that) set to MS-DOS instead of MS-DOS w/ APM in the setup options. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 18:42:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11497; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:42:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11028; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:41:03 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:39:48 -0400 Received: from fw1.cummins.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10809; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:39:45 -0400 Received: by fw1.cummins.com; id SAA07256; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:34:16 -0400 Received: from unknown(160.95.120.3) by fw1.cummins.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma007251; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:34:00 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.cummins.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19727; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:37:52 -0500 Message-Id: <9510272237.AA19727@gatekeeper.cummins.com> Received: from borg.cel.cummins.com by bubba.cel.cummins.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-Domain/OS) id AA03567; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:57:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:57:58 -0500 From: "Julie A. Strietelmeier" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701 I've had my TP701cs for about 3 weeks now. I'm noticing that the keyboard seems to be less responsive. Sometimes keys even seem to stick or need to be pressed twice for it to register. Is this normal? Has anyone else had this problem? ______________________________________________________________________________ Julie Strietelmeier The Fret Board BBS julie@cel.cummins.com (812)342-6564 Columbus, IN A Guitar / Music BBS ______________________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 02:55:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21416; Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:55:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10733; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:54:08 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:41 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10175; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:22 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA12140 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:53:25 +0800 Message-Id: <199510280653.AA12140@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:26:47 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: mahoneym@iquest.net Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:00:57 -0500 you wrote: >Are there no legs on the bottom of the cumputer? > There are no legs. I went back this morning and took a second look. There is only 2 rubber strips similar what obtains on the 75x but slightly thicker. The IBM rep I met there confirmed the angle of the tilt cannot be varried, its either tilt at that angle or no tilt. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 02:56:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21421; Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:56:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10745; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:54:11 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:55 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10185; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:25 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA12132 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:53:19 +0800 Message-Id: <199510280653.AA12132@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:16:47 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: sshaw@ucla.edu Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: TP760 TILT KEYBOARD On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:12:53 -0700 you wrote: >Can the tilt feature on the TP760 be shut off or suspended if it is not desired? > Yes, one can press the metal clips and the keyboard will lower itself in line with the rest of the computor. However it appears to me the default is always to tilt when you lift the up the screen so that you always have to lower it manually each time if you dont want it. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 02:56:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21428; Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:56:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10749; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:54:11 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:50:07 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10215; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:48 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA12144 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:53:29 +0800 Message-Id: <199510280653.AA12144@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:13:04 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: mgilula@gate.net Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:01:19 -0400 (GMT-0400) you wrote: >hi there. Did the keys on the 760 look any smaller than they are >on the 755..? This is my burning question, and I guess I'll have to >go *see* the 760, possibly, to get it answered. > The new design re-positions the keyboard nearer the screen so that there is space for the arm-rest but the size of the keys and the dimensions of the keyboard are the same. I looked very carefully, this is not a casual observation. The two speakers have also been moved to the corners of the arm rest. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 02:57:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21436; Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:57:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10748; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:54:11 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:29 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10174; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:20 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA12119 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:53:09 +0800 Message-Id: <199510280653.AA12119@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:33:36 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT) you wrote: > On my 750C, it gets pretty hot under there, but... > > I almost never use the little legs. Not that I don't like >them, but I just forget about them and don't go through the trouble >of opening them up. > But all this could be moot if there are *also* a pair of >extending legs in the bottom of the 760. Are there? > There are no legs at the bottom, I've looked carefully. However I did touch the underside where the heat comes from and it really didnt seem as hot as my 750 when running on AC. The mpeg feature is quite nice, they were demonstrating using a Hong Kong kungfu movie. I noticed one has to get the right angle to get the clarity, any variation off this and it doesnt look nice. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 20:55:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10917; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:55:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26272; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:54:13 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:48:33 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25874; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:48:14 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA26620; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:43:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Mark_Strawcutter Cc: Arie Litman , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <01HWSIL9CMJO8Y6JBT@grove.iup.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Mark_Strawcutter wrote: Arie said: > > - for once (a month or so ago) I actually needed info about TP750C and > > Win95, and NO ONE, not even one responce was offred. > > Sorry for your bad experience, mine have all been just the opposite. Mine too, though there have been exceptions. I hate to contribute to the noise here, but I this this is worth saying: This is not a paid support list. If you post a question, there is absolutely no demand upon anyone reading to answer. We do it, and we put time into it, because we enjoy the process and take away something when we're done. But nobody is _owed_ an answer here, and if a question or request is posed and gets no response, the proper reaction is to either ask it again or go find the answer yourself. I hate to sound irked about this, but I have had people mail me their USENET postings that they directed to me a week or so earlier and I never replied to, so I could answer their questions and solve their problems. I'm only obligated to do that when I am getting paid, and I have yet to get a check signed USENET or Thinkpad Mailing List. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 29 03:18:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00286; Sun, 29 Oct 95 03:18:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19728; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 03:16:41 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 03:08:35 -0500 Received: from corcomsv.corcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19097; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 03:08:18 -0500 Received: from spellppp.corcom.com by corcomsv.corcom.com with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA17924; Sun, 29 Oct 95 00:05:40 -0800 Received: by spellppp.corcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAA592.575F94C0@spellppp.corcom.com>; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:06:05 -0800 Message-Id: <01BAA592.575F94C0@spellppp.corcom.com> From: Duane Spellecacy To: "Arturo J. Morales" , "TP750@cs.utk.edu" , "'Randy Whittle'" Subject: RE: Windows 95 on 750C? Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 10:00:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm still here. We've been trying to get settled into our new home, so = I haven't been following too closely but I'm still following along... = Right now I only have the one system here at home running, so I don't = have MacLan Connect going anywhere. I'll get back to it though, as both = my kids have Mac's and I'm the only person with a printer. There seems to be a lot of talk about running Win95 on the TP's, It = works for me. I have Win95 running on both of my desktop systems, home = & work. I also have it on the TP I use at work. Its a TP750ce and I've = never had any problems with Win95, at least until I upgraded the BIOS to = the newest version. When I did that, Win95 suddenly found lots of new = devices and things to change. Took about an hour or so to reconfigure = everything, but its working now.. Enjoy Duane ---------- From: Randy Whittle[SMTP:whittle@chaph.usc.edu] Sent: Friday, October 27, 1995 12:56 PM To: Arturo J. Morales; TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C? At 8:25 PM 10/26/95, Arturo J. Morales wrote: >BTW, Where did you get MacLAN Connect? That is something I've been = looking for >for quite some time... >Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu I got MacLAN Connect from some mail order outfit (that's pretty much the only way to get Mac stuff these days). Which one? I'm not = sure! But I think it was probably MacWarehouse. The company that makes it is = (I think) "Miramar Systems" and they're located near the Santa Barbara, California area (I think the city is Goleta, but I'm not sure). It was about $150, as I recall. Well worth it if you're trying to get the two different platforms to talk to each other. It does a neat job of both = file and printer sharing. I first found out about them via a member of this list! His = name is Duane Spellecacy and his E-mail address (if he's not on the list = anymore and can't speak for himself) is dspellec@corcomsv.corcom.com. I also found out more about it via a little web-surfing--perhaps once you do = some of that you can get a number for them and perhaps a distributor. Let me know how it goes... ----- = ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: = | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// = | "Did you really think you could call up the | = www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" = ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult = practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 29 10:36:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21218; Sun, 29 Oct 95 10:36:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21051; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:36:11 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:31:47 -0500 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20721; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:31:36 -0500 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA11069; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:26:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:26:50 -0500 (EST) From: Don Whiteside To: James Bush Cc: TP750 Subject: Re: Dock 2 availibility In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII James, thought you might be interested to know that CDW's Dock2 price was actually $50 MORE than IBM Direct. Thanks for the referal, though. On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, James Bush wrote: > don > > try cdw at 1-800-410-4239 ext. 7266 and that will be oren. i have found > him to be reliable and the prices can't be beat. he knows me only too > well ]]] > > On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > > > > I'm considering dumping my desktop and getting a Dock 2. (I can just > > abotu swap even) Anyone suggest someplace where I can do better than the > > PC Direct $710? Any reason to believe the D2 will be offered at a lower > > > jamie > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 29 12:21:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25576; Sun, 29 Oct 95 12:21:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27064; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:20:46 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:18:35 -0500 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26761; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:18:32 -0500 Received: from [128.125.223.137] (comserv-f-65.usc.edu [128.125.223.137]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA11357; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 09:18:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 09:25:44 -0800 To: Duane Spellecacy , "TP750@cs.utk.edu" From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: MacLan Connect & Win '95 At 10:00 AM 10/28/95, Duane Spellecacy wrote: >I'm still here. We've been trying to get settled into our new home, so I >haven't been following too closely but I'm still following along... >Right now I only have the one system here at home running, so I don't have >MacLan Connect going anywhere. I'll get back to it though, as both my >kids have Mac's and I'm the only person with a printer. >There seems to be a lot of talk about running Win95 on the TP's, It works >for me. I have Win95 running on both of my desktop systems, home & work. >I also have it on the TP I use at work. Its a Duane, if/when you get MacLan Connect back up (after you settle in a bit), let me know if it works at all with Windows '95--I'm not about to screw things up by switching to Win '95 until I know. ;-) Also, I found life just a little less complicated by not using the MacLan printer sharing anymore. I just went ahead and bought an HP JetDirect EX box and made my HP LJ 4 w/ PS Level 2 into a true network printer. Prints beautifully from both Win for Workgroups as well as the Mac just as if it were native (of course, I'd have trouble printing from DOS-only without a direct parallel port connection, but since I don't do that anyway...). Some of my weirder graphics items didn't like going through the PC as a print server. I still find MacLan Connect a godsend for sharing files across platforms. Many thanks! ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 11:33:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17099; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:33:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04090; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:29:23 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:18:00 -0500 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02968; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:17:55 -0500 Received: by ciao.cc.columbia.edu id AA24034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:17:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:17:36 -0500 (EST) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@ciao.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I have a CD-ROM (see subject line) which came with a PCMCIA card which is supposed to be a SCSI card. Now, I would like to plug another SCSI device to that same card, but the cable has incompatible plugs... In other words, the card cable ends in a 2*25 plug which is only a little over 1 inch wide, while the other SCSI device has a standard 2*25 SCSI plug (about 2 inches wide). Does anybody know where I can get an adapter? I have tried different places, but usually I just get a blank stare, as if I'm asking for something absolutely ridiculous: "You want to... SHRINK a SCSI plug?!" Thanks for the input. Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 11:33:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17404; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:33:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04434; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:45 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:21 -0500 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04358; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:19 -0500 Received: by ciao.cc.columbia.edu id AA26364 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:13 -0500 (EST) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@ciao.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: Optimizing TP750Cs memory Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings! I was trying to optimize the memory in my 750Cs, and I'm having some trouble using B000-B7FF (unused monochrome VGA memory). In plain DOS (MSDOS 6.00) I can include this into the EMM line in CONFIG.SYS and everything works fine. The moment I try to load Windows 3.1, however, the computer freezes (with a black screen, with a horizontal line running through the middle, and another close to the bottom). I have tried to change my SYSTEM.INI, with no success. I would appreciate any help on this. Also, I am about to install OS/2 Warp Connect over MSDOS_6.00/Win_3.1 (in parallel, actually). If anyone has any pearls of wisdom to share before I head into trouble, I would greatly appreciate. Thanks for everything, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 13:20:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24645; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:20:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15492; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:17:34 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:14:54 -0500 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15096; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:14:46 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id KAA14731; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:14:25 -0800 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma014724; Mon Oct 30 10:14:22 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA03564; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:15:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:15:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199510301815.KAA03564@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, wyip@nicotra.com.sg From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Heat transfer seminar: Lesson #1: Believe it or not, having the system lie flat on the desk, lap, table, etc. is a far better thermal configuration than having a small air gap under the system. Why? Well (unless there is a fan or "significant" free convection) conduction through a solid material (even plastic or wood) is a better cooling method than a small air gap under the system. Remember, "still air" is the best insulator on Earth (k=0.028 W/m*K). By comparison, plastic (another good insulator) has k=0.5 W/m*K (~200X more thermally conductive) That's where fiberglass insulation gets its "R-value", not from the fiberglass but from the air pockets the fiberglass forms. The moral of the story is: I doubt that there is enough convection under the system when the 755's legs are extended that provides the same amount of heat transport than when the system lies flat on a table or desk. Leave it flat, the system will run cooler. (This is probably why they designed the keyboard to tilt without lifting the system off the table) (Old Theses die hard...) Regards, -Ted At 02:22 PM 10/27/95 -0700, you wrote: >> When the cover is lifted the keyboard detaches itself away from >> the body of the computor at the screen end and is raised at an >> angle supported by two spring metal clips clearly visible from >> the outside. The base of the computor continues to lie flat on >> the table. When I saw this I wondered about the heat. In the >> case of the 75x series, when the two "legs" are extended the >> whole computor is slanted at an angle which provides a space for >> heat dissipation. Here there is no such space since the base >> remains horizontal. > > On my 750C, it gets pretty hot under there, but... > > I almost never use the little legs. Not that I don't like >them, but I just forget about them and don't go through the trouble >of opening them up. > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:11:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14698; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:11:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07543; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:06:40 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:04:01 -0500 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07237; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:03:55 -0500 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13925; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:03:52 -0500 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0077; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:03:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:03:44 -0500 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510302203.AA0077@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: pm119@columbia.edu Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:17:36 -0500 (EST) from Paulo Magalhaes Subject: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI I have a CD-ROM (see subject line) which came with a PCMCIA card which is supposed to be a SCSI card. Now, I would like to plug another SCSI device to that same card, but the cable has incompatible plugs... In other words, the card cable ends in a 2*25 plug which is only a little over 1 inch wide, while the other SCSI device has a standard 2*25 SCSI plug (about 2 inches wide). Does anybody know where I can get an adapter? I have tried different places, but usually I just get a blank stare, as if I'm asking for something absolutely ridiculous: "You want to... SHRINK a SCSI plug?!" The plug on the Panasonic adapter is a standard SCSI-2 plug, and is widely used on Sun and HP workstations. They are also used on some PC equipment, although not as commonly as the usual large "Centronics" plugs. I don't know specifically where to get an adapter, but they are available and perhaps knowing this information will help the vendors to identify what you need. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:26:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15892; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:26:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08075; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:13:03 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:12:31 -0500 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07983; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:12:25 -0500 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA04725 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:11:47 -0500 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510302211.RAA04725@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Newsgroup creation... To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:11:46 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Hi all... I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. There are really a lot of users of Thinkpads now, and while this list has been useful, I think that the volume really has gotten quite cumbersome. Of course, this doesn't mean that we don't have to have a mailing list also. Yet, I think that a newsgroup really seems long overdue. How about... alt.thinkpad ? Any other ideas? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:33:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16361; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:33:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09508; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:23:11 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:22:32 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09394; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:22:28 -0500 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA14645 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:22:14 -0800 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA05724 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:22:12 -0800 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23941; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:22:10 PST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:22:10 PST From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510302222.AA23941@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation... > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 14:15:19 1995 > Return-Path: > Subject: Newsgroup creation... > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > Content-Type> : > text> > Content-Length: 413 > X-Lines: 17 > > Hi all... > > I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. > > There are really a lot of users of Thinkpads now, and while this list has > been useful, I think that the volume really has gotten quite cumbersome. > Of course, this doesn't mean that we don't have to have a mailing list > also. Yet, I think that a newsgroup really seems long overdue. > > How about... > > alt.thinkpad or comp.thinkpad? -William Ng > > ? > > Any other ideas? > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:53:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17988; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:53:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12056; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:50:58 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:50:02 -0500 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11767; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:49:56 -0500 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA04799; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:49:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:49:39 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" To: "Derek V. Chan" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation... In-Reply-To: <199510302211.RAA04725@kalypso.cybercom.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: > I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. > > How about... > > alt.thinkpad Well, I mailed Keith Moore when he offered to collect and summarize all opinions on the matter. Unfortunately he hasn't summarized. I would suggest comp.sys.laptops.ibm. If you use "thinkpad" the name is in danger of becoming outdated if IBM were to change the name for their notebooks. Same thing happened to the name of this mailing list. Search news.groups for the FAQs if you're really interested in doing this. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:53:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17997; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:53:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11698; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:48:44 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:47:57 -0500 Received: from UTKVM1.UTK.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11574; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:47:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199510302247.RAA11574@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from UTKVM1.BITNET by UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5458; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:47:35 LCL Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by UTKVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 5417; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:47:35 LCL Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin DTURN@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1550; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:48:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:42:51 EST From: "David G. Turnquist" Subject: Pen based Win 95 To: TP750@cs.utk.edu planning to upgrade, until I heard from IBM tech support that no changes to the Pen OS were contemplated. Is anyone running a 360P, PE, or 750P under Win 95 ith pen support? Thaks in advance. -Dave Turnquist dturn@mitvma.mit.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 18:03:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18880; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:03:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13024; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:01:56 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:00:55 -0500 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12843; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:00:52 -0500 Received: from [128.125.224.65] (comserv-h-65.usc.edu [128.125.224.65]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA26379; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:00:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:08:15 -0800 To: Paulo Magalhaes , TP list From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI At 11:17 AM 10/30/95, Paulo Magalhaes wrote: >I have a CD-ROM (see subject line) which came with a PCMCIA card which is >supposed to be a SCSI card. Now, I would like to plug another SCSI device >to that same card, but the cable has incompatible plugs... In other words, >the card cable ends in a 2*25 plug which is only a little over 1 inch >wide, while the other SCSI device has a standard 2*25 SCSI plug (about 2 >inches wide). Does anybody know where I can get an adapter? I have tried >different places, but usually I just get a blank stare, as if I'm asking >for something absolutely ridiculous: "You want to... SHRINK a SCSI plug?!" Try APS (Allied Peripheral Systems) in Missouri--Indepence, I think. They have an 800 number that I'm sure you can get from 800 information. If it exists, they probably have it. They are the SCSI Specialists. ;-) My guess is that the "smaller" plug you're talking about is actually a SCSI-2 plug--a pretty condense plug that is actually a 50-pin plug. The more "standard" SCSI plug is a huge 50-pin Centronics-type plug. There is also a less-common 25-pin "Mini-SCSI" plug that you find on the back of Macintosh machines (and some other places) which looks something like what would go into the parallel port of your PC (actually, its identical). ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 18:37:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21571; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:37:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15745; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:36:35 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:34:13 -0500 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15524; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:34:06 -0500 Received: from ppp-jesse (webe-32.ppp.hooked.net [204.212.196.32]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA12585; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:36:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:36:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199510302336.PAA12585@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Win95 in a TP 355 Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 05:05 PM 10/5/95 -0400, JBELA@cnsvax.albany.edu wrote: >Has anyone installed Win95 in a TP 355? Are there any problems? Yup, installed clean, no troubles. I was surprised to find the 355 doesn't have sound, my machine is a 755, and I thought they both were sound-enabled.. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 18:48:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21984; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:48:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16491; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:46:43 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:46:05 -0500 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16421; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:46:02 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id PAA03693; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:46:00 -0800 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma003685; Mon Oct 30 15:45:56 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA03576; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:47:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:47:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199510302347.PAA03576@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation... Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Thanks for taking the lead on this! IMHO... comp.sys.ibm.thinkpad is the most appropriate name for the newsgroup given the current structure and naming conventions in the UseNet newsgroups related to IBM PCs. Whadda 'ya think? -Ted >> >> I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. >> >> There are really a lot of users of Thinkpads now, and while this list has >> been useful, I think that the volume really has gotten quite cumbersome. >> Of course, this doesn't mean that we don't have to have a mailing list >> also. Yet, I think that a newsgroup really seems long overdue. >> >> How about... >> >> alt.thinkpad > >or >comp.thinkpad? > >-William Ng > >> >> ? >> >> Any other ideas? >> >> > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 19:06:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23187; Mon, 30 Oct 95 19:06:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17423; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:03:29 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:02:09 -0500 Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17272; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:02:05 -0500 Received: from [192.70.249.32] (mac32.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA22416; Mon, 30 Oct 95 19:02:00 EST Message-Id: <9510310002.AA22416@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:17:13 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Newsgroup creation Am I the only one who's organization doesn't provide complete newsgroup access? We pay for access to many selected groups, but I cannot make submissions (ie read only). ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 20:36:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29889; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:36:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24389; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:36:00 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:32:26 -0500 Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23834; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:31:58 -0500 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id JAA21438 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:28:06 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199510310128.JAA21438@baijuyi> Subject: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI (fwd) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:28:06 +0800 (WAUST) Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text ``..Chris Hanson writes, ` Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:03:44 -0500 ` Subject: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI ` ` I have a CD-ROM (see subject line) which came with a PCMCIA card which is ` supposed to be a SCSI card. Now, I would like to plug another SCSI device ` ` The plug on the Panasonic adapter is a standard SCSI-2 plug, and is ` widely used on Sun and HP workstations. They are also used on some PC ` equipment, although not as commonly as the usual large "Centronics" ` plugs. Anyone tried using this SCSI card from Panasonic for other SCSI peripherals? I thought I was told it works only for the KXL-D720. __________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 00:54:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17461; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:49:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12087; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:48:50 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:45:37 -0500 Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11893; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:45:25 -0500 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0tA9Vf-000170C; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:45 PST Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI (fwd) To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:45:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510310128.JAA21438@baijuyi> from "Kevin Cheong" at Oct 31, 95 09:28:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > Anyone tried using this SCSI card from Panasonic for other SCSI peripherals? > I thought I was told it works only for the KXL-D720. I've tried it with a NEC 3Xe drive (an external CD-ROM drive) and it works fine. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 08:32:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21198; Tue, 31 Oct 95 08:32:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16536; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:32:07 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:27:43 -0500 Received: from shrsys.hslc.org by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16094; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:27:36 -0500 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.1 AXP) id 41; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:26:59 EST Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:26:58 EST From: "Dennis J. Gormley" To: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <00998AFB.7DD22ACE.41@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation... Casting a vote for comp.thinkpad. My newsfeed doesn't supply alt. groups. I'd hate to miss the valuable information I always get from these postings! \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 =-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-= Original message(s) follow: > From: MX%"wmng@berlioz.nsc.com" 30-OCT-1995 18:23:04.72 > Subj: Re: Newsgroup creation... > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 14:15:19 1995 > > Return-Path: > > Subject: Newsgroup creation... > > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > > Content-Type> : > text> > > Content-Length: 413 > > X-Lines: 17 > > > > Hi all... > > > > I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. > > > > There are really a lot of users of Thinkpads now, and while this list has > > been useful, I think that the volume really has gotten quite cumbersome. > > Of course, this doesn't mean that we don't have to have a mailing list > > also. Yet, I think that a newsgroup really seems long overdue. > > > > How about... > > > > alt.thinkpad > > or > comp.thinkpad? > > -William Ng > > > > > ? > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 08:52:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22780; Tue, 31 Oct 95 08:52:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18132; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:51:15 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:30 -0500 Received: from cs.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17994; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:26 -0500 Received: from jones.cs.brown.edu (jones.cs.brown.edu [128.148.38.144]) by cs.brown.edu (8.6.10/Bullwinkle1.1) with ESMTP id IAA00851 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:18 -0500 From: Sridhar Ramaswamy Received: (sr@localhost) by jones.cs.brown.edu (8.6.9/BrownCS1.0) id IAA07082 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199510311350.IAA07082@jones.cs.brown.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: display adapter on dock II Has anyone had any experience with installing a display adapter board on the thinkpad dock ii? I am not too thrilled with the board on the thinkpad when it is driving an external monitor and would like to do better. More specifically, how would I recognize it from linux? Many thanks, --Sridhar From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 09:21:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23983; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:21:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20410; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:19:37 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:18:12 -0500 Received: from lotus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20176; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:18:10 -0500 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA24213; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:30:58 EST Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18951; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:12:53 -0500 Message-Id: <9510311412.AA18951@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.02 Beta) id 393E6F5469CD6E9885256266004DD17A; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:12:53 EST To: tp750 From: Kenneth Yee Date: 31 Oct 95 9:11:54 EST Subject: less expensive memory for 760? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Are there less expensive 3rd party memory addons for the 760 series? PC Direct wants $1200 for the extra 16MB -: Why does laptop memory always seem to stay about 2X+ the cost of desktop memory? thanks, ken From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 09:37:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25355; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:37:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21480; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:31:14 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:29:37 -0500 Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21088; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:29:33 -0500 Received: from seminole.gate.net (jbush@seminole.gate.net [199.227.0.14]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA53047; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:29:30 -0500 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by seminole.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA36370; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:25:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:25:35 -0500 (EST) From: James Bush To: Kenneth Yee Cc: tp750 Subject: Re: less expensive memory for 760? In-Reply-To: <9510311412.AA18951@internet1.lotus.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII that price is outrageous. i just paid that for 32 megs. 16 megs should be about $600, at least for a 755/ call cdw at 1-800-410-4239 and then ext. 7266. i have dealt with oren hartman for a long time, is honest and knowledgeable. best jamie ************************************************* On 31 Oct 1995, Kenneth Yee wrote: > Are there less expensive 3rd party memory addons for > the 760 series? PC Direct wants $1200 for the extra > 16MB -: > Why does laptop memory always seem to stay about > 2X+ the cost of desktop memory? > > thanks, > > ken > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:26:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03467; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:26:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01557; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:18:43 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:15:57 -0500 Received: from sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01188; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:15:51 -0500 Received: by sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu id AA07659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:15:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: NO newsgroup Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just casting a vote AGAINST a newsgroup. -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:29:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03494; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:29:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01555; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:18:43 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:17:38 -0500 Received: from sparky by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01380; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:17:32 -0500 Received: from feesh.isii.com by sparky (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02933; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:09:49 +0500 Received: by feesh.isii.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/(1.0sos) id AA0331; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:06:41 -0500 Message-Id: <9510311706.AA0331@feesh.isii.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:06:41 -0500 From: Gene Van Sant Subject: usenet group To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: gene@sparky.isii.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 You'll have to make use of the hierarchy that is already there in order to get voted in. i.e. comp.sys.ibm.tp750 comp.sys.laptops.tp750 comp.sys.thinkpad.750 et cetera Tschuess ... gene@isii.com IS International inc., Boca Raton, Florida Gene Van Sant Work Ph. (407) 994 4373 Home: (407) 725 8788 http://www.isii.com/~gene Work FAX (407) 994 8374 Home: (407) 361 8260 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:37:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04275; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:37:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02604; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:29:31 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:24:01 -0500 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02033; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:23:51 -0500 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA00304; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:23:22 -0500 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510311623.LAA00304@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: NO newsgroup To: pm119@columbia.edu (Paulo Magalhaes) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:23:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Paulo Magalhaes" at Oct 31, 95 11:15:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Just wanted to reiterate... All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to die. This will just give more options. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:40:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04305; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:40:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03789; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:37:47 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:29 -0500 Received: from lotus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03462; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:26 -0500 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA01024; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:49:21 EST Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28087; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:31:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9510311631.AA28087@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.02 Beta) id 05779020A30DB60F85256266005AE23A; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:31:14 EST To: tp750 From: Kenneth Yee Date: 31 Oct 95 11:33:48 EST Subject: Win95 DirectX support on Thinkpads? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Another simple question. Has anyone tried out MS's Game SDK on the Thinkpads? Just wondering if the video drivers have DirectDraw support, etc. ken From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:41:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04315; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:41:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03816; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:37:52 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:22 -0500 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03447; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:18 -0500 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02417 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:10 -0500 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510311636.LAA02417@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: comp.sys.laptops.ibm To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text How's that for a name? Someone mentioned it, and I agree that I think that it should be .ibm rather than .thinkpad, since the name might change in the futre (e.g. this list...). Ideas? Anyone have an idea on what the proposal should look like? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 12:00:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06519; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:00:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06408; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:58:32 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:57:45 -0500 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06307; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:57:41 -0500 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA29208; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:57:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9510311657.AA29208@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: comp.sys.laptops.ibm To: dchan@cybercom.net (Derek V. Chan) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:57:45 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510311636.LAA02417@kalypso.cybercom.net> from "Derek V. Chan" at Oct 31, 95 11:36:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > Someone mentioned it, and I agree that I think that it should be .ibm > rather than .thinkpad, since the name might change in the futre (e.g. > this list...). The potential problem is that many people will think ".ibm" means pc-clone, (as opposed to Mac) and not realize that it means the group is for the discussion of "true-Blue" laptops. Thus, much of the comp.sys.laptops traffic will probably either shift or be crossposted. How about: comp.sys.laptops.ibm.true-blue.that-means-thinkpad-or-whatever-they-change-the-name-to.and.no-forsale-postings-you-ninny! Would that get the point across? :) Seriously though, I don't see IBM ditching the Thinkpad name anytime soon, as there's a lot of equity in that name. It'd be stupid to throw away the goodwill and recognition value of the name... (and IBM has *never* done anything stupid, right? :) :) :) I'll cast my "vote" for comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad Whomever wants to get it started should check out the various news.* groups for the FAQ on how to get a RFV going (Request For Votes) -- and be sure to get everyone on the mailing list to cast their vote. If the other thinkpad list(s) are still active, be sure to get their input and support as well. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 12:08:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07075; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:08:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07207; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:06:11 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:05:20 -0500 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06948; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:05:09 -0500 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA12546; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:05:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: Don Whiteside To: Chris Hanson Cc: pm119@columbia.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI In-Reply-To: <9510302203.AA0077@omerie.ai.mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I don't know specifically where to get an adapter, but they are > available and perhaps knowing this information will help the vendors > to identify what you need. Male centronics <--> Female SCSI 2 converters can be had from Cables America, who can be found in the Computer Shopper ads. They're about $35, and my advice is (having done exactly what is being talked about here) is that you order a SCSI extention cable while you're at it, as the cord on that panasonic cable is not terribly long. Be careful not to get the adaptor desigfned to go on SCSI cards that have a female scsi 2 plug in order to get a centronics female plug. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 12:23:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08225; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:23:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08767; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:19:18 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:17:43 -0500 Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08596; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:17:40 -0500 Received: from oasis.vpia.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:16:11 EST Received: from OASIS/MERCURYQ by oasis.vpia.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.21); 31 Oct 95 13:20:46 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by OASIS (Mercury 1.21); 31 Oct 95 13:20:17 EST From: "Guy Farrell" Organization: The UConn Foundation, Inc. To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:20:13 EST Subject: Re: usenet group Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: > You'll have to make use of the hierarchy that is already there > in order to get voted in. i.e. > > comp.sys.ibm.tp750 > comp.sys.laptops.tp750 > comp.sys.thinkpad.750 > et cetera I am not sure that the volume on this list merits a newsgroup just yet. How many are subscribed to date? I am sure that the popularity of ThinkPads would make for a well used newsgroup, but I like the intimacy now. Another note: IBM's use of "ThinkPad" dates at least to the 1960's when little note pads emblazened with "Think" in gold letters were doled out. I sincerely doubt that the name would change any time soon. The number designation, as is already apparent with this group, can quickly become dated. Guy W. Farrell Vox: (860)486-0964 my desk Network Coordinator, Postmaster (860)486-5000 front desk The UConn Foundation, Inc. (800)269-9965 toll-free U-Box 206 Fax: (860)486-1615 Storrs, CT 06269-4190 E-mail: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu Computer Support for Institutional Advancement ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 12:39:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09095; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:39:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09700; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:27:29 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:26:44 -0500 Received: from konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09578; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:26:40 -0500 Received: by konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu id AA23274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:26:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:26:19 -0500 (EST) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu To: "Derek V. Chan" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: <199510311623.LAA00304@kalypso.cybercom.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: > Just wanted to reiterate... > > All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to > die. This will just give more options. Just wanted to reiterate, too... Newsgroup = more background noise Newsgroup = less relevant information Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people And, for these very reasons, I DON'T want the newsgroup mirrored on this list, thank you very much. I rest my case. What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 13:06:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12053; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:06:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11807; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:58:42 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:56:45 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11648; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:56:38 -0500 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA24333 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:56:33 -0800 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA27932 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:56:32 -0800 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19461; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:53:27 PST Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:53:27 PST From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510311753.AA19461@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: newsgroup name I think whatever the name of the newsgroup may be, it is cruical to tag the word "thinkpad" or anything equivalent to differeniate it from any other laptop groups. Since this is a newsgroup delicated to ibm tp. This should help in eliminating certain irrevalent traffic. At least this is what I want. At the moment I could not think of anything better than tagging the word "thinkpad". Even if in the future the word "thinkpad" change, I think people should be able to recognize what "thinkpad" is. It is like what people today think pc is ibm compatible. So I vote for the following: comp.thinkpad comp.sys.thinkpad comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 13:37:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14802; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:37:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14066; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:32:54 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:30:45 -0500 Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13892; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:30:37 -0500 Received: from hopi.gate.net (jbush@hopi.gate.net [199.227.0.13]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA15738 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:30:23 -0500 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by hopi.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA56103; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:24:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: James Bush To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: newsgroup name In-Reply-To: <9510311753.AA19461@berlioz.nsc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I VOTE AN EMPHATIC NO !!!!! jamie From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 13:53:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16684; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:53:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15057; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:46:21 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:45:24 -0500 Received: from wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14849; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:45:11 -0500 Received: from qmgate (qmgate.maplesoft.on.ca) by wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca with SMTP id AA08267 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:44:41 -0500 Message-Id: Date: 31 Oct 1995 13:13:55 -0800 From: "Edmond Bourne" Subject: Re: NO newsgroup To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 I disagree with Paulo. Newsgroups are definitely the way to go. They are a structured way of reading messages from a large group of people. A mailing list only works when there are low volumes. There is absolutely no difference between a newsgroup and a mailing list in terms of signal to noise ratio. There is if the newsgroup is moderated, but I would be against moderating any thinkpad newsgroup. As to the problems of certain people not being able to read a newsgroup when they can get a mailing list, thats not a problem at all. I used to have that problem about 5 years ago when I used to have an account with no news access. It was easily corrected by having someone who did have news access just send all the messages in certain newsgroups via an automated script to a digest that I recieved once a day via email. I don't see why the mailing list couldn't contiue to that very thing for those who are deprived of news access. cheers ed -------------------------------------- Date: 10/31/95 12:49 PM To: Edmond Bourne From: Paulo Magalhaes On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: > Just wanted to reiterate... > > All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to > die. This will just give more options. Just wanted to reiterate, too... Newsgroup = more background noise Newsgroup = less relevant information Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people And, for these very reasons, I DON'T want the newsgroup mirrored on this list, thank you very much. I rest my case. What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 14:17:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19437; Tue, 31 Oct 95 14:17:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17171; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:11:04 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:09:26 -0500 Received: from polaris.cv.nrao.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16908; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:09:08 -0500 Received: by polaris.cv.nrao.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA120996; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:08:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:08:58 -0500 From: awootten@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Message-Id: <9510311908.AA120996@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: References: <199510311623.LAA00304@kalypso.cybercom.net> Paulo Magalhaes writes: > Just wanted to reiterate, too... > Newsgroup = more background noise > Newsgroup = less relevant information > Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people Exactly. The orchids list went through this same discussion. A newsgroup was created and not mirrored to the list. The list discussion remains useful and, usually, focussed. The newsgroup is generally noisy and irrlevant. 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Chan wrote: > > Just wanted to reiterate... > > > > All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to > > die. This will just give more options. > > Just wanted to reiterate, too... > Newsgroup = more background noise > Newsgroup = less relevant information > Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people > And, for these very reasons, I DON'T want the newsgroup mirrored on this > list, thank you very much. > I rest my case. > > What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! I totally agree. And if anything, mirror the list to the newsgroup but not vice versa. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 16:25:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29890; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:25:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28215; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:03:35 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:02:49 -0500 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28010; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:02:43 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id NAA22625; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:02:22 -0800 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma022607; Tue Oct 31 13:02:14 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA03611; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:04:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:04:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199510312104.NAA03611@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Kenneth Yee From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: less expensive memory for 760? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu I have a 32MB memory card for my 755CDV from "GoldenRAM" part # M-66G5110 and paid about $1450 for it. It works fine. I believe that the 16MB version can be had for less than $800. -Ted At 09:11 AM 10/31/95 EST, you wrote: >Are there less expensive 3rd party memory addons for >the 760 series? PC Direct wants $1200 for the extra >16MB -: >Why does laptop memory always seem to stay about >2X+ the cost of desktop memory? > > thanks, > > ken > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 16:32:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00089; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:32:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29587; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:19:03 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:18:01 -0500 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29399; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:17:52 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id NAA25223; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:17:18 -0800 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma025204; Tue Oct 31 13:17:11 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA03615; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:18:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:18:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199510312118.NAA03615@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Edmond Bourne" , tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: YES newsgroup!!! I'd have to agree with Ed. The newsgroups allow a broader audience, and although there may be more 'irrelevant' content, there will be a proportional increase in very RELEVANT information that can be utilized without flooding people's mailboxes. We may also want to consider .binaries and .forsale sub-groups to help direct misguided posters. I don't buy the argument that UseNet news is less available than e-mail. Any and all corporations and internet service providers allow some sort of UseNet access... certainly within the comp.sys domain, which I believe is where the name of the newsgroup is headed. Move forward with the newsgroup and let me know how I can assist. Regards, -Ted At 01:13 PM 10/31/95 -0800, you wrote: > >I disagree with Paulo. Newsgroups are definitely the way to go. They are a >structured way of reading messages from a large group of people. A mailing >list only works when there are low volumes. There is absolutely no >difference between a newsgroup and a mailing list in terms of signal to noise >ratio. There is if the newsgroup is moderated, but I would be against >moderating any thinkpad newsgroup. As to the problems of certain people not >being able to read a newsgroup when they can get a mailing list, thats not a >problem at all. I used to have that problem about 5 years ago when I used to >have an account with no news access. It was easily corrected by having >someone who did have news access just send all the messages in certain >newsgroups via an automated script to a digest that I recieved once a day via >email. I don't see why the mailing list couldn't contiue to that very thing >for those who are deprived of news access. > >cheers >ed > >-------------------------------------- >Date: 10/31/95 12:49 PM >To: Edmond Bourne >From: Paulo Magalhaes >On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: >> Just wanted to reiterate... >> >> All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to >> die. This will just give more options. > >Just wanted to reiterate, too... >Newsgroup = more background noise >Newsgroup = less relevant information >Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people >And, for these very reasons, I DON'T want the newsgroup mirrored on this >list, thank you very much. >I rest my case. > >What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! > >-- >Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA >voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu > > > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 17:17:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06318; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:17:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02907; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:49:46 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:47:48 -0500 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02636; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:47:38 -0500 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA07314; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:48:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: Don Whiteside To: Lew Jansen Cc: "Derek V. Chan" , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: comp.sys.laptops.ibm In-Reply-To: <9510311657.AA29208@hepth.cornell.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Lew Jansen wrote: > How about: > > comp.sys.laptops.ibm.true-blue.that-means-thinkpad-or-whatever-they-change-the-name-to.and.no-forsale-postings-you-ninny! > > Would that get the point across? :) Usenet names need to be 14 characters per token, sorry. ) I can't imagine this is going to be improved by inviting every usenet twinkie on the planet to participate. I think this is going to end up just like the FreeBSD situation, where the newsgroup is full of trivial crap and chatter and all the real answers are on the mailing list. I think readers who are annoyed by the traffic need to a) get a mail source where you don't pay by the message and 2) get a mail filter or folder-er. (Elm or Procmail or one of a bazillion winsock mail clients) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 17:24:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07394; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:24:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04184; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:01:09 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:00:18 -0500 Received: from chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04011; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:00:12 -0500 Received: (from steverod@localhost) by chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA25278; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:00:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:00:07 -0800 From: Steve Rodrigues Message-Id: <199510312200.OAA25278@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 Internal Modem - International Use - SUMMARY Thank you to everyone who responded! This list is great. :) My original question(s): > Anyways, the manual for the 701 modem says "this can only be used in the > US and Canada" - it's a standard RJ11 jack. This sent a shiver through me - > after all, one of the selling points of the machine (for me) was the modem. > > So, > (a) does anyone know why the manual says this? Is it just to CYA? > (b) has anyone used one of these modems abroad? Or can give a > justifiable reason why I should plug into the overseas network without > such experience? > (c) If directly plugging into the phone line isn't a good idea, can > I buy any adapters (other than a new modem :)? The general consensus is that using the modem outside the US and Canada is *not* a problem, except for getting a converter between the RJ11 and the local telephone connector (or use an acoustic coupler, I suppose). Also, to use the modem, you may need to change the initialization and/or dial string (to use pulse instead of tone) to make it work. There are definite success reports from South Africa, England, and Israel. One person reported limited success in Singapore (it did not recognize the "engage" tone - I am guessing that this means the dialtone??) In general, it appears that technical difficulties are not the problem - legal ones are. The internal modem is not approved for overseas telcos, which could potentially lead to my being assessed large fines. I'm thinking maybe I should dial in from pay phones. :) Anyways, we'll see how brave I am. Thanks to Zvi Meir Kedem, Martin Jung, Alden Klovdahl, Wilson Yip, Krupnik Kenny, John Purnell, Lawrence Chiu, and Timothy Sipples for this information. -- Steve Rodrigues | Lost, yesterday, somewhere between sunrise and Expatriate Texan | sunset, two golden hours, each set with sixty UC Berkeley, Dept. of EECS | diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for they steverod@cs.berkeley.edu | are gone forever. -- Horace Mann From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 18:16:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14249; Tue, 31 Oct 95 18:16:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10631; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:14:52 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:35 -0500 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10448; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:32 -0500 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA07896; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" To: Paulo Magalhaes Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1) Anyone who wants to propose a new thinkpad newsgroup should read news.groups for a few weeks. Afterwards, if you still feel up to it, you can read through the FAQs there on how to write/submit an RFD, and request a vote-taker for the CFV. 2) All this discussion about whether to have a newsgroup or not is supposed to take place in news.groups after the RFD has been posted. This mailing list represents a subset of all interested Thinkpad users (most notably, people who don't like mailing lists are missing) so we're not going to get an accurate idea of who likes what from discussion here. 3) How about comp.sys.laptops.ibm-thinkpad? Although given the argument that IBM has been using the term "Thinkpad" for several decades, I could live with c.s.l.thinkpad. (I'm the one who proposed c.s.l.ibm) 4) On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Paulo Magalhaes wrote: > Just wanted to reiterate, too... > Newsgroup = more background noise > Newsgroup = less relevant information Newsgroup = *more* relevant information, even more noise (a lower S/N ratio), but much better tools for searching and sorting threads. > Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people Since there's no easy-to-access database of all mailing lists in existence, my guess is that a comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad newsgroup would be "available" to at least an order of magnitude more people than this mailing list. I used to post every week or so in c.s.l that this list existed, but it got to be a hassle saying the same thing over and over. A lot of TP75x owners there don't know this list exists. > What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! Well, first thing I'd do is put Win95, NT, and TP755 in a kill file. I'd also like to be able to kill threads (like this one) with one keystoke instead of deleting/skipping them message by message. 5) If my opinion is worth anything :), this mailing list was started by Sean Chou when I joked with him about putting together an Internet TP750 support group. It just turned/will turn 2 years old (depending on what event you consider the "birth" of this list). But I vote for a newsgroup. 6) I can see why Keith wanted us to email him comments on the idea so he could summarize. This thread is killing the S/N ratio here. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 19:02:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21469; Tue, 31 Oct 95 19:02:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03344; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:52:19 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:51:03 -0500 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03062; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:51:00 -0500 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA07685; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:51:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:51:41 -0500 (EST) From: Don Whiteside To: Edmond Bourne Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 31 Oct 1995, Edmond Bourne wrote: > There is absolutely no > difference between a newsgroup and a mailing list in terms of signal to noise > ratio. Wahahahahahah. This is the funniest thing I have ever read. Don't read many newsgroups, do you? If you really want to have an informed opinion on this issue, go read comp.os.unix.freebsd.misc and subscribe to _all five_ general access FreeBSD mailing lists. The s/n ratio is lower on the mailing lists, which _includes_ a "chat" mailing list. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 20:11:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25970; Tue, 31 Oct 95 20:11:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17734; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:10:24 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:08:39 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17553; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:08:31 -0500 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA17801 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:08:21 -0800 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA18725 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:08:20 -0800 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04686; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:03:48 PST Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:03:48 PST From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9511010103.AA04686@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: SCSI backup Hello, Here is a question in the mist of the newsgroup creation debate: I am buying a scsi adaptor for a cdrom. The scsi adaptor is an adaptec APA-1460 pcmcia scsi2 adaptor. Is it possible to use this adaptor with a scsi tape drive used on Sun workstations to do backup for OS/2 and Windows (FAT)? I am not talking about backing up over the network. I am thinking of unplugging a 8mm, 2GByte capacity tape drive which is tied to a Sun workstation and then plug it into the pcmcia adaptor. If this is doable, what software should I get? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 20:33:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27769; Tue, 31 Oct 95 20:33:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19594; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:32:54 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:32:15 -0500 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19507; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:32:12 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA17796; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:32:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199511010132.UAA17796@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: "John H. Kim" Cc: Paulo Magalhaes , tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:00 EST." Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:31:57 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > 6) I can see why Keith wanted us to email him comments on the idea so > he could summarize. This thread is killing the S/N ratio here. yes, that's why. unfortunately I'm swamped and the comments people submitted earlier are buried in my ~10000 unfiled messages in my inbox (I keep pushing exmh's limit of 9999 messages/folder). My best recollection is that respondents were about evenly split for/against a newsgroup. It does seem like people would rather discuss how to run the list than anything else... Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 20:39:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28042; Tue, 31 Oct 95 20:39:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19950; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:37:44 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:37:03 -0500 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19873; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:36:55 -0500 From: Keith Moore Received: by wilma.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA18176; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:36:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:36:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199511010136.UAA18176@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: tp750 digest Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu Just a note to say that I now have a primitive digestifier up and running. Basically, once a day it sends out a single message containing every message posted to tp750 in the past 24 hours. The digest is in MIME format but highly compatible with most other digest formats (messages are separated by lines of 30 "-" characters, etc.) I'm still twiddling it. But if you want to be on the bleeding edge, send mail to tp750-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu and ask to be added to the digest or switched from the list to the digest. Keith p.s. one condition of being on the digest list ... you have to agree to edit your subject lines when you reply, so the replies don't have a subject line of "Re: tp750 digest of ..."