From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Wed Oct 27 20:42:19 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12128 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 27 Oct 1993 20:42:16 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA23324; Wed, 27 Oct 93 21:42:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 21:42:28 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9310280142.AA23324@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@cs.NYU.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: IBM TP750C Status: OR Seems an excellent machine. If you can get one "in a few days" you are doing very well - it's very hard to find them (I had to pay a premium over list price to get mine - I have a 20 meg machine with a 340 meg disk). Out of the box, the sound card is proprietary, however, the disk with the OS/2 drivers on it also has "DOS drivers for games", which I guess will be a Soundblaster emulation, but don't know! From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Thu Oct 28 06:12:55 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29992 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 28 Oct 1993 06:12:53 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA25698; Thu, 28 Oct 93 07:13:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 07:13:05 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9310281113.AA25698@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: IBM TP750C Status: OR THe SCSI port is only on the docking station I believe. The DOS sound driver that comes with the machine does not support games, but they are supposed to ship new drivers soon that do. If you really manage to get a 750C after only a month wait at a discount, you are doing *extremely* well. IBM stopped taking orders for these machines well over a month ago, and there are just none of them in channels at all. (In fact you could probably immediately sell your machine at a significant profit -- though I know you aren't allowed to :-) The 16 meg board was $1500 which turns out to be a very good price, these 16-meg credit cards are quite expensive. In fact I think the 8 meg board, which should cost only a few hundred bucks, even in this market, will give you 12 meg total, which should be fine for running OS/2. The one thing I have not managed to get working yet is my PCMCIA Megahertz modem -- I'm still working on that! BTW it comes with a *very* impressive multi-media demo, although so far that demo seems to work only under DOS (I set up my machine as dual boot, just so I can still run the demo :-) From jdg@oz.plymouth.edu Sun Nov 21 17:15:23 1993 Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19889 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 21 Nov 1993 17:15:21 -0600 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA02807; Sun, 21 Nov 93 18:17:49 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 93 18:17:49 -0500 From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9311212317.AA02807@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: New Toshiba Port'eg'e Status: OR Sounds promising, Sean. What university sector are you in? I've sent a message to our local tech. ctr. support person to get the current info on pricing for the 750C. You're right, if enough of us get the unit, we might very well be able to pool info beneficially. Regards, Joel Goldfield Dept. of Foreign Languages Plymouth State College (NH); Foreign Language Consultant Language Outreach Dartmouth College From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Tue Nov 23 20:03:43 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18858 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 23 Nov 1993 20:03:40 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29480; Tue, 23 Nov 93 21:03:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 21:03:58 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9311240203.AA29480@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP750 audio disk? Status: OR No I didn't get it, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! I'll call IBM tomorrow and yell! I don't know if it is FTP'able from anywhere. I also especially want the games interface. What's the use of audio features if I can't play World of Xeen with sound :-) From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Wed Nov 24 04:47:49 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29919 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 24 Nov 1993 04:47:47 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA00580; Wed, 24 Nov 93 05:48:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 05:48:05 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9311241048.AA00580@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP750 audio disk? Status: OR OK, agreed, let's stay in touch. Next question: what you are doing for a modem if anything? From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Wed Nov 24 17:39:06 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07762 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 24 Nov 1993 17:39:04 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA01795; Wed, 24 Nov 93 18:39:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 18:39:21 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9311242339.AA01795@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP Audio drivers Status: OR I placed my order weeks ago, and was promised shipment in "2-3 weeks" don't know about SB emulation, good question! From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Thu Nov 25 09:37:14 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12062 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 25 Nov 1993 09:37:11 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA02192; Thu, 25 Nov 93 10:37:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 93 10:37:23 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9311251537.AA02192@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP Audio drivers Status: OR Yes, I really would like to get the Phoenix drivers and see if they work for me! From jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Thu Dec 2 18:56:58 1993 Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13851 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 2 Dec 1993 18:56:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199312030056.AA13851@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Hibernation on TP750s under OS/2 Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc In-Reply-To: <2dk4n9$1l7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA Cc: dewar@cs.nyu.edu Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 15:02:52 PST From: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Sender: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Status: OR In article <2dk4n9$1l7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> you write: >I've been having a strange problem with hibernating under OS/2. >I have OS/2 for Windows and Windows 3.1 on my system. DOS/Win will >hibernate fine on my Thinkpad 750C but OS/2 is strange. It seems >to work fine if I don't load any Windows apps, but the minute I load >one (even if I close them all), I can't hibernate or suspend anymore. >Has anyone else experienced this problem? Cool, I didn't know you were running OS/2 on your 750. I can't answer your question, but how much memory do you have? What kind of battery life are you getting under normal use and in suspend mode? I recently bought a 8MB upgrade from a third party vendor. Battery life went from 5+ hours (mono 750) to just under 4 hours. Suspend mode went from 15%/day (almost 7 days suspendable) to 45%/day which doesn't leave as much battery as I'd like if I leave it suspended overnight. I've got a 30 day money back guarantee on the memory so I'm wondering if I should return it. I don't think it should be eating this much power. What has your experience been? Also, have you had any flakey behavior under OS/2 (besides video, which I'll chalk up to the drivers being v1.0)? Every once in a while it'll hang when I take it out of suspend mode, and about 1 time in 4 ctrl-alt-del will reboot the machine w/o flushing the cache. Maybe we *should* make a mailing list. :) -- John H. Kim | (This space to be filled when I think of jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | something clever to use as a disclaimer) From jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Sat Dec 4 16:28:40 1993 Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17271 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 4 Dec 1993 16:28:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199312042228.AA17271@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Hibernation on TP750s under OS/2 To: Sean Chou Date: Sat, 4 Dec 93 14:28:33 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199312042220.AA15561@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Dec 4, 93 4:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > I can't answer your question, but how much memory do you have? > > What kind of battery life are you getting under normal use and > > in suspend mode? > > I also got an 8mb RAM card from a third party vendor (Viking to be > precise; I tried EXP and they didn't work). I haven't tested out > battery life very carefully except to notice that I get about 3 to > 4 hours on average use on a 750C. If you have a mono, I would imagine > that you should get longer times than under 4 hours. What type of > apps are you running? Could it be that you didn't bother to run > much under 4 megs whereas once you got the 8mb, you went more out? I tested running full out - screen brightness on full, full processor speed, none of the power management engaged, and I was always doing stuff for the 4 hours. If I enable some of the power management or don't do things for long periods of time, I can easily get well over 6 hours. > I have yet to leave the machine in suspend mode for a longer period > than a few hours (I wasn't even aware it would last that long). If you could try it once and report back to me, I'd really appreciate it. I'll try the other problems you had, except I don't have hibernation enabled - only a 170 megger. > > Maybe we *should* make a mailing list. :) > > Well, I'm keeping in touch with Robert Dewar right now. I'll be glad > to throw you in the pseudo-list! I'm keeping in touch with him too. :) If you've got a pseudo-list, by all means put me on it. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Dec 4 21:43:13 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22935 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 4 Dec 1993 21:43:08 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14145; Sat, 4 Dec 93 22:43:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 93 22:43:05 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312050343.AA14145@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Hibernation on TP750s under OS/2 Status: OR "Don't want to restart everything" Well I don't use hibernation, but I certainly never reboot OS/2 (except to go to DOS temporarily to show people the demo), instead I use suspend resume, which is more conveneitn than hibernation anyway, becauyse it is immediate. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 5 00:24:10 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19948 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 5 Dec 1993 00:24:02 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14334; Sun, 5 Dec 93 01:23:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 01:23:58 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312050623.AA14334@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Hibernation on TP750s under OS/2 Status: OR Right, a mailing list sounds like a good idea. I have 20 megs memory, and I see a cost of suspend of about 40-45%/day. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 5 00:24:51 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20062 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 5 Dec 1993 00:24:49 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14339; Sun, 5 Dec 93 01:24:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 01:24:25 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312050624.AA14339@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Hello! Status: OR message received From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Dec 6 01:48:31 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29583 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 6 Dec 1993 01:48:29 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA15706; Mon, 6 Dec 93 02:48:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 02:48:25 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312060748.AA15706@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Hello! Status: OR I'll measure mine more accurately! From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Dec 6 17:30:41 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15769 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 6 Dec 1993 17:30:38 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA20651; Mon, 6 Dec 93 18:30:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 18:30:27 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312062330.AA20651@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Hello! Status: OR I would guess that the AMOUNT of RAM doesn't matter, but having an extra memory board at all does matter. I will measure mine tonight! From jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Thu Dec 9 13:23:28 1993 Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02925 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 9 Dec 1993 13:23:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199312091923.AA02925@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Audio drivers 1.1 out! To: Sean Chou Date: Thu, 9 Dec 93 11:23:05 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199312091906.AA27977@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Dec 9, 93 1:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > I dialed up the IBM BBS yesterday to formally send a message expressing > my dissatisfaction with how long it was taking for the audio drivers to > come out, when lo and behold! I saw a file called TPAUDIO11 or something > to that effect. I d/l'ed it and sure enough, it was the audio drivers > that we've been long waiting for. > > If you haven't recieved them by mail yet (I haven't), then you can > either d/l it or we can see about me UUENCODING it and sending it out > to you guys. > > Oh by the way, John Kim, are you getting these messages? Please respond > if so. yeah, I'm getting these messages. How big is the file? Maybe I'll d/l it myself. Or maybe you could uuencode it. What's the date on the file? Something tells me the IBM organization in charge of sending out the fix won't send it out for a few weeks. You see, I called them yesterday to ask and they were clueless. From sztarkin@hamlet.ucdavis.edu Thu Dec 9 21:03:01 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25091 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 9 Dec 1993 21:02:59 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22055 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Thu, 9 Dec 1993 21:01:47 -0600 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22039 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 9 Dec 1993 21:01:42 -0600 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA13099; Thu, 9 Dec 93 18:52:19 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA01024; Thu, 9 Dec 93 18:52:55 PST Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA05914; Thu, 9 Dec 93 18:49:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1993 18:42:05 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: Subject: AT&T KIT To: Sean Chou Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR Sean Chou: Thanks for the information. I will order the modem tomorrow, probably from Sparco. We seem to share the same excellent taste in hardware and operating systems! Regards, Brian K. Tarkington Email: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Thu Dec 9 21:47:00 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06694 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 9 Dec 1993 21:46:57 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04528; Thu, 9 Dec 1993 19:45:47 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1993 19:46:56 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <71218.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Subject: RE: Uploaded audio drivers to cdrom Status: OR In message Thu, 9 Dec 1993 14:19:36 -0600 (CST), Sean Chou writes: > I've uploaded the TP750 audio drivers to ftp-os2.cdrom.com. Since > I got it off a public BBS, I figure it should be public. Just in > case though, better get it while it's still there. It should be > in the incoming directory. Guess what. The zip file is fine, but the disk image is corrupt. So you ftp'ed it fine, but sometime before you zipped the file, it got corrupted. -- John H. Kim | "If you'd told me within one year of losing the jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | election I'd be sitting in my living room rooting This mail sent by NUPop | for Al Gore..." - Dan Quayle, on NAFTA debate From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Fri Dec 10 01:44:39 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03597 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 10 Dec 1993 01:44:34 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05425; Thu, 9 Dec 1993 23:43:31 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1993 23:44:39 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <85480.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu Subject: RE: Uploaded audio drivers to cdrom Status: OR Well, I couldn't wait so I got the drivers off the IBM BBS. :) The sound is a little strange through the built-in speaker. I'd like to fiddle with the bass and treble settings, and I ran across what looks like bass and treble settings in the mmpm2.ini file so who knows. Make sure you read the readme and install the new mouse.sys driver -- even though the docs say the sound stops working if you suspend and resume, on my machine the mouse died and I had that ctrl-alt-del w/o flushing cache happen again. If you want to use the drivers for games, you're going to be disappointed. They soak up way too much CPU time for the latest games like flight simulators or virtual 3D-ish games. They're passable for most of the other games I've tried. They just need to have the bass and treble controls tweaked. :) I did run across one problem - If I try to run Wolfenstein 3D in a DOS box with the SB emulation, it'll eventually hang or trap OS/2 requiring a power off/on. Still, for a version 1.0 (for OS/2 at least) I'm happy. It can only get better from here (unless they don't make any new drivers). Another thing that's confusing is the volume settings. What I've think is happening is that there's a hardware volume setting (the fn-F5/fn-F6 setting), a general OS/2 software volume setting (in the sound object in the settings folder), and the app's particular software volume setting. They seem to act independent of each other, although their effect is cumulative. The opening/closing window sound is more effective if you have animation enabled. Now to go and make a sample of Homer Simpson saying "Doh!" to use as an error sound... :) Did you want to try uploading it to ftp.cdrom.com again Sean, or did you want me to? -- John H. Kim | "If you'd told me within one year of losing the jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | election I'd be sitting in my living room rooting This mail sent by NUPop | for Al Gore..." - Dan Quayle, on NAFTA debate From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Dec 11 07:06:36 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12137 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 11 Dec 1993 07:06:34 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA10660; Sat, 11 Dec 93 08:06:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 93 08:06:21 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312111306.AA10660@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Audio drivers 1.1 out! Status: OR I would really appreciate a copy of the drivers! From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Dec 11 07:08:52 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12173 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 11 Dec 1993 07:08:51 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA10677; Sat, 11 Dec 93 08:08:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 93 08:08:38 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312111308.AA10677@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Uploaded audio drivers to cdrom Status: OR Thanks! From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Dec 11 07:09:22 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12194 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 11 Dec 1993 07:09:20 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA10680; Sat, 11 Dec 93 08:09:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 93 08:09:04 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312111309.AA10680@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Uploaded audio drivers to cdrom Status: OR Thanks a lot, do the drivers work? What do they do? DOS games? etc? From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Sat Dec 11 11:09:56 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01783 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 11 Dec 1993 11:09:52 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09937; Sat, 11 Dec 1993 09:08:43 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1993 09:08:31 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <32986.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Uploaded audio drivers to cdrom Status: OR In message Fri, 10 Dec 1993 11:23:55 -0600 (CST), Sean Chou writes: >> Well, I couldn't wait so I got the drivers off the IBM BBS. :) > > That's weird that the image was corrupted...oh well. What was the > error? When you run the exe to extract the disk image, it bombs about 840k into the process. >> bass and treble settings in the mmpm2.ini file so who knows. Make sure >> you read the readme and install the new mouse.sys driver -- even >> though the docs say the sound stops working if you suspend and resume, >> on my machine the mouse died and I had that ctrl-alt-del w/o flushing >> cache happen again. > > What are the settings? I'll take a peek for myself but in the meantime, > can you tell me what they are? It'd probably make life all the much > easier for me! :) Last couple lines in the MMPM2.INI file (in the MMOS2 directory). I'd guess they're on a simple 0-100 scale, although a post to comp.os.os2.multimedia is probably in order. > Why didn't you just shutdown without the mouse? Cuz I'm a lazy bastard. :) >> If you want to use the drivers for games, you're going to be >> disappointed. They soak up way too much CPU time for the latest games >> like flight simulators or virtual 3D-ish games. They're passable for >> most of the other games I've tried. They just need to have the bass >> and treble controls tweaked. :) > > Hopefully they'll be passable in future versions. Or better yet, the > new SL DX2/66 will come out and we'll be able to upgrade to it! :) I'm sure they'll be better in the future. Even though these are 1.1 drivers, for the OS/2 and DOS game support, they're really 1.0. > Maybe we should compile a list of sorts to send to IBM. They might > appreciate it or then again, maybe they'll hate us for it... :) I think we should compile a list of the problems we find and send regular reports to IBM. Since we've only found 3 people on Internet interested in keeping each other updated on TP750s, there can't be that many others who'll go through the trouble to file bug reports. And bug reports are the only way these drivers will get better. >> Another thing that's confusing is the volume settings. What I've think >> is happening is that there's a hardware volume setting (the fn-F5/fn-F6 >> setting), a general OS/2 software volume setting (in the sound object >> in the settings folder), and the app's particular software volume >> setting. They seem to act independent of each other, although their >> effect is cumulative. > > I know there's at least two separate settings -- a hardware one and a > software one. I think that the software volume setting can be put to > be independent of each app or universal. I just set the software to the > highest and use the hardware settings... I think I've figured this out. There are three levels of settings. The hardware level (fn-F5/F6), the universal software level (in the multimedia volume app), and a level for each app. Also at the last level is the setting for the system sounds, which is in the sound object (the bell icon). >> Did you want to try uploading it to ftp.cdrom.com again Sean, or did you >> want me to? > > Maybe you should try it. I'm only so-so certain of my PCMCIA modem > until I can get OS/2 specific drivers.... Will do when I have time this weekend. I may have to tack on a .fixed on the end of the filename, but anyone who ftps should be able to change the filename before downloading it. > BTW, what do you think of the MIDI? Sounds a little tinny. I haven't tried it yet over headphones or speakers (they're on loan to my sister who's going to school in Europe). > Also, have you tried concurrent access? I can get MIDI to play fine > along with sounds but I'd like to be able to get sounds to go > concurrently... Read the readme.os2 in the mmos2\ibmaudio directory. At the end of the file, it gives instructions on how to modify your mmpm2.ini file to get concurrent access. For some reason the sounds aren't enabled in my Win-OS/2 sessions. My original OS/2 diskettes were corrupted (some of the Win-OS/2 stuff couldn't be read) so I don't know if this is my problem or if it's a driver problem. Do the sounds work in your Win-OS/2 sessions? I can't do the much vaunted Play Two Video Clips At The Same Time. One pauses when I start the other one. (Where did I get the other video clip? I've got OS/2 on CD-ROM as well, just no CD-ROM drive - have to go through a Mac to transfer the files). Any ideas why this is going on? (On a side note, I can't wait to get some sort of SCSI device so I can just plug into the SCSI port on a Mac and use the CD-ROM drive as if it was connected to my ThinkPad...) Oh, you mentioned your modem doesn't have PCMCIA drivers for OS/2? Which brand modem do you have, so I can avoid it. :) And why does it need separate PCMCIA drivers? I thought OS/2 came with built-in drivers. -- John H. Kim | "If you'd told me within one year of losing the jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | election I'd be sitting in my living room rooting This mail sent by NUPop | for Al Gore..." - Dan Quayle, on NAFTA debate From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Sat Dec 11 13:57:52 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10573 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 11 Dec 1993 13:57:49 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10393; Sat, 11 Dec 1993 11:56:46 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1993 11:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <43077.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: TP750 drivers and mailing list Status: OR Hey, I'm working on setting up a machine on Internet with a friend at UIUC. It should be up by the new year. If we really want to do this mailing list thing, I'll ask him if it'd be OK to use it to forward mail to everyone on the mailing list. Assuming we get more than the current 3 people that is. :) It should be too hard, considering he's asking me to do most of the admin stuff anyway. Fixed drivers are up on ftp.cdrom.com, /incoming/os2/750aud11.zip_fixed. I noticed in the config.sys that the SVAUDIO.SYS driver (the SoundBlaster compatibility driver) is loaded under OS/2, not the OS/2 DOS box. I'm gonna try grabbing some OS/2 SoundBlaster specific software to see if it works. Cross yer fingers. -- John H. Kim | "If you'd told me within one year of losing the jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | election I'd be sitting in my living room rooting This mail sent by NUPop | for Al Gore..." - Dan Quayle, on NAFTA debate From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Dec 11 17:59:06 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07951 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 11 Dec 1993 17:59:04 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA11901; Sat, 11 Dec 93 18:58:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 93 18:58:50 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312112358.AA11901@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Uploaded audio drivers to cdrom Status: OR I wonder if the 750 demo will now work under OS/2, that would be nice, it's the only reason I keep DOS around! From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Sun Dec 12 22:37:37 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07285 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 12 Dec 1993 22:37:33 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14637; Sun, 12 Dec 1993 20:36:21 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 20:37:35 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <74255.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: TP750 drivers and mailing list Status: OR Well, the SoundBlaster stuff that's available doesn't seem to work. It explicitly looks for the SBOS2.SYS file. About playing two MIDI files simultaneously, I think it depends on how many voices the audio hardware is capable of supporting. One of the things that really disappointed me with the 750 was that the manuals have no specs in them. Judging from the MMOS2 setup notebook, it looks like it can support 10 voices. If you play two files with <=5 voices each, maybe it'll work. Any more voices and it's impossible. The MIDI stuff probably uses FM synthesis, which is independent from digitized sounds, which is why you can play WAV and MID files simultaneously. I'm not sure about the specs on the digitized sounds either. If it's just one digitized voice, then it'd make sense that I couldn't play two video clips at once -- they're both trying to use digitized sound. In other news, I've had a pixel go half-bad on my screen. If the screen is a light color, the pixel is bright white. If the screen is dark, the pixel is grey. It's always lighter than the background, and never black. It doesn't bother me, but I'm gonna call IBM about it (and see what options they'll give me for getting a color screen in the future: "What if I buy a used TP700C, can you put that color screen in instead of fixing my mono?" :) I've gotta remember to ask them about the hard drive at the same time. I can't believe they're selling the 340MB drive for $1200. Sheesh. I hear 250MB 2.5" drives are going for about $400. I'll just sit tight (hopefully Stacker will be good enough) for the just-introduced 500MB drives to come down in price. It's hard to believe just 3 years ago 40MB 2.5" drives were awe-inspiring... Oh, you've got the AT&T modem, right? Can it maintain a 14.4kbps file transfer w/o dropping characters if you have the FUELDOS TSR loaded? I'm using a friend's 14.4kbps external modem hooked up through the serial port, and it drops lots of characters if FUELDOS is installed. I'm curious if the 16550 in your modem is "good enough" to prevent it. Anxiously awaiting word on SCSI PCMCIA cards. The way I figure, sticking on a monitor, keyboard, mouse, CD-ROM and maybe another hard drive via SCSI will be cheaper than if I had bought a separate desktop and lesses notebook. It'll also mean I can "borrow" my friend's Mac's CD-ROM until I can buy my own. :) -- John H. Kim | "If you'd told me within one year of losing the jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | election I'd be sitting in my living room rooting This mail sent by NUPop | for Al Gore..." - Dan Quayle, on NAFTA debate From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Dec 13 11:19:25 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08716 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 13 Dec 1993 11:19:22 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17913; Mon, 13 Dec 93 12:18:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 12:18:56 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312131718.AA17913@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP750 drivers and mailing list Status: OR I have 2 red pixels on my 750C. The limit before IBm will react is 7 From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Mon Dec 13 20:08:46 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13216 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 13 Dec 1993 20:08:42 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA17157; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 18:08:03 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 18:09:10 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <65350.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP750 drivers and mailing list Status: OR I got the hard drive prices from IBM direct (their catalog). 170MB drive is $649. 340MB drive is $1299. I exchanged some mail with Doug Haigh (the guy on TP350 development at IBM who occasionally shows up on comp.sys.laptops) and he verified the hard drive is a 2.5" IDE. I asked the tech support line for more info but they said they don't have any more - I'd have to talk with engineering (i.e. Mr. Haigh) to get more info on using a 3rd party hard drive. I did find out that IBM has a testing process where 3rd party manufacturers can get their products verified as "ThinkPad compatible." There currently aren't any hard drives with that label, and they weren't able to tell me if there were any hard drives being tested. The hard drive can wait for now I guess. In message Mon, 13 Dec 1993 16:33:45 -0600 (CST), Sean Chou writes: > I just called IBM again (they must know me by voice now) to get more > specs. First, did you know we only have 16450s on our serial ports? > How disapointing. It would've cost them about $10 to put a 16550 in > there. Heh heh. That's the FIRST thing I noticed. My friend bought a modem even though he doesn't have a computer (the modem was on sale for a killer price) so he's lending it to me until he buys a computer. It's a external 14.4 so of course I hooked it up to the serial port. First time I tried it, I got dropped characters. I eventually figured out FUELDOS.EXE was the culprit, but when I checked the port with some FOSSIL drivers, it showed a 16450. > At least we have EPPs. Also, the architecture is ISA, not > micro-channel as some people have believed (myself included), which is > good is some respects. Does anyone know if it's local bus? The 700 and 720 were MCA, but 16-bit (kinda like the 386SX architecture). The 750 is 32-bit memory access and 16-bit ISA bus (including the PCMCIA slots, come to think of it, I think PCMCIA is a 16-bit standard). The MCA multitasks stuff on the motherboard better (like the serial and parallel ports), but the 750 came out ahead of the 720 in benchmarks so I think the 32-bit memory helps (the 720 is a clock doubled SLC2/50, and a DX2/50 will blow away a DX/33). The video and hard disk (IDE interface) are on the 486SL's PI local bus. As much as I'd like a 32-bit MCA notebook, I don't think there's any PC notebook that's fully 32-bit in all respects. Even the Apple Powerbooks have a 16-bit data path (again like the 386SX). Maybe the Sparc Tadpole notebooks... > Also, I have occasional problems when I first boot up, come out of > suspend, or plug in the power cord where the screen will look like it's > moving up and down. Has anyone else come across this? I think it's some > sort of power feed corruption or something. Mine's a mono, but while it's plugged into the AC adapter, a couple bright horizontal lines will flicker across the screen every once in a while. I've had no problems with screen movement, other than the normal mono problems. > Lastly, even though MSD and other things report our video as XGA (try > it if you haven't already), IBM says it's SVGA (but then you can't > always trust a technician). It's a Western Digital 90C23 (the "Rocket" chipset) accelerated chipset. That's SVGA, not XGA. The OS/2 and Windows drivers are specifically made for the 90C23, although I've noticed the Windows drivers support jump scrolling and the OS/2 drivers don't. The VESA drivers under DOS let it emulate a VESA chipset. Otherwise, it runs as a Paradise card (drivers for the Paradise are not accelerated). > About the pixels...they said 14 blown pixels on dark background and 7 > on light background. I have 1 red, 2 blues, and 1 green. What a > bummer.... Gee, I wish I had blown red, blue, and green pixels. A color screen would be awfully nice. :) -- John H. Kim | "If you'd told me within one year of losing the jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | election I'd be sitting in my living room rooting This mail sent by NUPop | for Al Gore..." - Dan Quayle, on NAFTA debate From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Tue Dec 14 20:51:15 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16713 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 14 Dec 1993 20:51:11 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA21128; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 18:50:31 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 18:49:59 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <67897.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP750 drivers and mailing list Status: OR In message Tue, 14 Dec 1993 18:10:52 -0600 (CST), Sean Chou writes: >> dropped characters. I eventually figured out FUELDOS.EXE was the >> culprit, but when I checked the port with some FOSSIL drivers, it >> showed a 16450. > > How did it perform otherwise during multitasking, if FUELDOS wasn't > loaded? I'm considering getting a serial modem to free up my PCMCIA slots > (for what, I don't know...)... Dunno. DOS can't multitask. :) Performance is OK under OS/2, although it still loses characters if you try to run CPU or disk intensive stuff while doing a download. The major problems I've been having is due to heavy loads on the UNIX host I use. If I run m2zmodem at timecritical priority, I can download with almost no dropped character, but that hits the CPU at what feels like 60-80%. Running DOS comm programs at 9600+bps speeds is hopeless. I'm averaging 5-10 dropped characters per screen. Then again, I haven't played with the settings much. I'm just going to get a PCMCIA modem with a 16550. > Well, the SLC2/50 is quite a ways off from a DX2/50 so it's not quite > a fair comparison. I talked to IBM again and asked about a DX2/66 > upgrade. He said that he didn't know and that even if he did, he > wouldn't be able to tell me. He did say, however, that there was a > special model out called the 750CE that uses the DX2/66 chip; however, > it's only available to "special" orders (100s purchased for a compnay, > etc.). That's news to me. The 750 is based on the 486SL chip, which Intel has discontinued -- there are no plans for a SL/2. The SL has a lot of the support chips normally found on your motherboard built-in, and consumes less power than the SL-enhanced SX/DX chips. It also has its own local bus. I know IBM has a contract with Intel that lets them modify and manufacture Intel chips for sale, so maybe that's what they did. It'd be nice to have. :) Oh, Norton SI reports 71 on a 486DX/33 with 256k external cache, but only 51 on the TP750 which has not external cache. Have either of you tried any other benchmarks? > It's too bad that the 750 isn't MCA but then again, it'll be eaiser > for us to get stuff like an extra hard drive and the specs for the > floppy will probably be mor used. Have you come across anything non-IBM > that uses the floppy? Actually, for a notebook, being MCA wouldn't be that bad. The floppy drive still connects via a normal floppy connector (although the pins are rearranged on the TP750), and the hard drive still connects via an IDE connector (ditto). The MCA would be helpful for things like multitasking serial/parallel/floppy/hard drive accesses. Also, if you get the docking station, the expansion slots would've been MCA. I'd like to see a slip-in 2.5" CD-ROM player to replace the floppy. Or an extra hard drive (I'm not sure what sort of connector the floppy is in). Or an extra battery. If I had the color model, I would kill for the TV/tuner. My sister is a film/video student, and being able to preview what she's shooting in full 10.4" color while on the road would be great (she'll probably get this computer as a hand-me-down in a few years :). >> scrolling and the OS/2 drivers don't. The VESA drivers under DOS let it >> emulate a VESA chipset. Otherwise, it runs as a Paradise card >> (drivers for the Paradise are not accelerated). > > Is there really a need to emulate VESA if you don't use any apps that > need it (or that support the WD Paradise)? I don't think so. I'm not sure how the Windows drivers handle it. And I'm not sure of the VESA instruction set takes advantage of hardware acceleration. >> Gee, I wish I had blown red, blue, and green pixels. A color screen >> would be awfully nice. :) > > The screen is mighty nice. The latest PC/Computing compares some 486 > class notebooks (with PCMCIA slots) and the IBM TP750 got good reviews > though not as good as you would expect (or what PC/Mag seems to think). > They said their users preferred the Toshiba 1950's screen over the TP > even though it's much smaller. Also, they reported that screen size > doesn't seem to matter much. All I can say is can I have some of whatever > it is they're smoking? Maybe the money they had left over in their wallets when they bought the 1950CT (about $2900) over the TP750C (about $4500)? :) Hey, is that 10.4" screen really capable of 262k colors (6 bits per primary or a full VGA palette)? That'd be amazing. The previous best I'd heard was 4096 colors (4 bits per primary). It's equivalent to going from 16 shades per primary to 64 shades per primary. -- John H. Kim | "If you'd told me within one year of losing the jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | election I'd be sitting in my living room rooting This mail sent by NUPop | for Al Gore..." - Dan Quayle, on NAFTA debate From sztarkin@hamlet.ucdavis.edu Wed Dec 15 18:45:41 1993 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 15 Dec 1993 18:45:40 -0600 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA23199; Wed, 15 Dec 93 16:39:51 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA15982; Wed, 15 Dec 93 16:40:29 PST Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA23355; Wed, 15 Dec 93 16:37:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 16:20:01 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750 To: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <199312100318.AA29157@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Yes, I would be happy to be included in the group with my TP-750C 12/340. I am anxiously waiting for my audio features disks. But I have plenty to learn in the meantime. OS/2 is new to me, but I really like it so far. I can't yet download from the network. I ordered the AT&T KIT from Sparco for $344.00 plus tax and shipping; I think this is a very favorable price, at least the best I've heard of. From ychou Thu Dec 16 10:12:00 1993 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA27889 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Thu, 16 Dec 1993 10:11:48 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199312161611.AA27889@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: tpug To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar), jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (John Kim), sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (sz), ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 10:11:48 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar), jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (John Kim), sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (sz), ychou X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 673 Status: OR Hello all. This is a message to test to make sure everyone is geting this and to make sure all have been getting cross-posted. Have you all been getting the talk between me and John Kim? Well, actually, have you Robert? But now we have a new member to our list. I'll have to introduce him as sztarkin since I can't seem to find his name. Maybe he can post a reply to us and tell us his name as well as the specs of his Thinkpad. Also, has anyone else conducted any more timings to see battery rundown times? Okay, everyone please reply. If you don't get everyone else's reply, I'm doing something wrong (very possible) and please let me know (give it a day or so). From sztarkin@hamlet.ucdavis.edu Thu Dec 16 13:50:19 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05785 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 16 Dec 1993 13:50:16 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01198 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Thu, 16 Dec 1993 13:50:13 -0600 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01116 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 16 Dec 1993 13:50:05 -0600 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA12531; Thu, 16 Dec 93 11:35:59 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA03945; Thu, 16 Dec 93 11:36:41 PST Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA23851; Thu, 16 Dec 93 11:33:19 -0800 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 10:32:32 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: Subject: TP 750 Group To: John Kim , Sean Chou , Robert Dewar Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR Gentlemen: Thank you, I have received the messages. I have a 750C 12/340 with OS/2, Ami Pro and 1-2-3. On order so far is an AT&T KIT and FaxWorks for OS/2. My name is Brian Tarkington, sorry about the confusion. Since my Thinkpad is not yet ready for communication, I am using the university's Email system which is worse than using an old XT with WordStar. I am very slow at typing, and I can overrun it. The commands are bizarre- it is very unpleasant to use- pure garbage. We have tons of computer jockeys here and a major center. Why they cannot come up with something better is beyond me. My Thinkpad's battery has been "exercised" about 10 times since Nov. 12, the happy day I received it. Subjectively, It now seems to lose less charge and last longer than initially. However, most recently after a full charge, no use for a couple of days and booting up without the AC connected, it was at 83% of capacity. I am pretty sure I have the ports off. So, either start-up consumes the power or the battery is still somehow losing its charge with time? Apart from this, the unit has performed flawlessly with the only problems caused by my inexperience. Concerning modems, while I have already decided on the AT&T (with the help of Sean Chou), Megahertz should have released their new units with 16550's, Xjack and OS/2 drivers. These might be worth considering. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis Email: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Fri Dec 17 00:04:30 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21162 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 17 Dec 1993 00:04:26 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00645; Thu, 16 Dec 1993 22:03:40 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 22:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <79496.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, cfogg@netcom.com Subject: Fw: Thinkpad mailing list Status: OR Meet Chad Fogg. Another member of our little group. There's a guy from New Zealand I'm trying to add (works at OS/2 support) but for some reason my mail program refuses to forward his messages to the account I use for offline email. ------------------------------ From: Chad Fogg Wed 15 Dec 1993 11:33:16 -0800 To: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu Subject: Thinkpad mailing list Hello, I am the ownwer of a Thinkpad 750 Monochrome unit. I would very much like to be added to your list. Regards, cfogg@netcom.com -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Fri Dec 17 00:04:33 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21176 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 17 Dec 1993 00:04:29 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00648; Thu, 16 Dec 1993 22:03:44 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 22:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <79500.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, cfogg@netcom.com Subject: RE: TP 750 Group Status: OR In message Thu, 16 Dec 1993 10:32:32 -0800 (PST), sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu writes: > My Thinkpad's battery has been "exercised" about 10 times since Nov. 12, > the happy day I received it. Subjectively, It now seems to lose less > charge and last longer than initially. I've got a 750mono originally with 4MB of RAM. My first charge lasted about 3.5 hours. It died suddenly - FUELDOS reported about 20% battery remaining when it beeped and a few minutes later the light started blinking. That confused me so I kept going and a few minutes later it died despite the % battery indicator. The next charge went the other way - the computer kept going for about 40 minutes after the battery indicator went to 0%, the beeps, and the blinking light. After that the indicator has been more or less accurate with battery life slowly increasing to over 5 hours. Then I got an 8MB memory upgrade and it screwed up the indicator for about 5 cycles. It also shaved about an hour off my battery life. And 5 days off my suspend life. :( Too bad. I kinda liked being able to brag about a 5 hour battery life... > However, most recently after a > full charge, no use for a couple of days and booting up without the AC > connected, it was at 83% of capacity. I am pretty sure I have the ports > off. So, either start-up consumes the power or the battery is still > somehow losing its charge with time? Apart from this, the unit has > performed flawlessly with the only problems caused by my inexperience. There's a microprocessor (and probably some memory) built into the battery. I think that's where the computer gets the % battery remaining figure. It takes a couple cycles for it to learn how fast you use the battery. And when you're not using the battery, it drains it very slowly (I'd guess about 5% a day on mine, of course I've only left it unused for a day since I've gotten it. :). The 1/0 switch on the battery turns the processor on or off. If you're really picky about it, I suppose you can turn it off when you're not using it. But I think that'll cause the battery to have to "learn" how fast the computer uses power again, meaning your indicator will be inaccurate for a few cycles. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Fri Dec 17 15:00:56 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12482 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 17 Dec 1993 15:00:52 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02957; Fri, 17 Dec 1993 12:59:47 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 13:01:04 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <46865.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, cfogg@netcom.com, sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Subject: Fw: RE: 750 ThinkPad User's List Status: OR Welcome Steve Perfect. I'm looking into setting up a mailbox so we can just send mail to something like tp750@blah.blah.blah.blah but that won't be ready until the new year at earliest. ------------------------------ From: Steve Perfect Fri, 17 Dec 93 12:29:45 CST To: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu Subject: RE: 750 ThinkPad User's List I saw your post about the new Audio Driver disk and at the same time saw your idea concerning a user's list. I think it is a great idea. Sign me up. I have had a 750 monochrome for about a week now. sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Fri Dec 17 15:01:13 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12543 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 17 Dec 1993 15:01:08 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02969; Fri, 17 Dec 1993 13:00:14 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 13:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <46892.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, cfogg@netcom.com, sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Subject: Re: TP 750 Group Status: OR In message Fri, 17 Dec 1993 04:08:07 -0600 (CST), Sean Chou writes: >> Then I got an 8MB memory upgrade and it screwed up the indicator for >> about 5 cycles. It also shaved about an hour off my battery life. >> And 5 days off my suspend life. :( Too bad. I kinda liked being >> able to brag about a 5 hour battery life... > > Hmm...I would think that battery life would go the other way since you > would have to access the disk less but I guess with swap files, you > pretty much have to access it often anyway (all except for maybe Robert > with 20mb RAM). The life came to almost exactly 4 hours when I ran everything full blast (33MHz, screen on, disk on). It lasts longer of course in normal use, but life is still shorter after the memory expansion. Of course, I didn't run OS/2 back when I only had 4 MB. (I had the deluded idea of surviving with Windows until I could really afford the memory expansion. I changed my mind after I kept losing work to Windows hanging when I tried to multitask DOS programs.) >> There's a microprocessor (and probably some memory) built into the >> battery. I think that's where the computer gets the % battery >> remaining figure. It takes a couple cycles for it to learn how fast >> you use the battery. And when you're not using the battery, it drains >> it very slowly (I'd guess about 5% a day on mine, of course I've only >> left it unused for a day since I've gotten it. :). > > Very interesting. Which of course leads me to ask more questions! :) > First, how do you guys use your machines mostly? With battery or with > power? Second, do you just leave the power cord in even when not using > the machine? I use it plugged in mostly when I'm home. The bag and my stuff and computer wind up so heavy I don't bother taking the power cord with me to most places. I try to use it judiciously so that I only recharge the battery when I'm going to take it on the road. I'm dying to know if there's a way to make the battery top off at something lower than 90%. A lot of times, I don't need a full 90+% charge and I'd rather have less charge than waste another cycle in the battery's life. > And of course, I've been keeping eveyone included on the list by > modifying headers, but I can't do anything beyond myself so if you Like I said, I'm looking into a mailbox, but it won't be ready until New Years at earliest. Good idea about keeping track of OSes. I run predominantly OS/2, although I have a DOS boot partition just in case. >> The 1/0 switch on the battery turns the processor on or off. If you're > > Never realized that. As braindead as the manual is, it does have some useful information. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From sztarkin@hamlet.ucdavis.edu Fri Dec 17 17:23:08 1993 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27100 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 17 Dec 1993 17:21:35 -0600 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA07429; Fri, 17 Dec 93 15:08:00 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA23750; Fri, 17 Dec 93 15:08:42 PST Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA12649; Fri, 17 Dec 93 15:05:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 14:47:07 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Fw: RE: 750 ThinkPad User's List To: John Kim Cc: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, cfogg@netcom.com, sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu In-Reply-To: <46865.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Fri, 17 Dec 1993, John Kim wrote: > I'm looking into setting up a mailbox so we can just send mail to something > like tp750@blah.blah.blah.blah but that won't be ready until the new year at > earliest. Thank you for your efforts in pulling all this together. I am sure it will greatly benefit us users. Brian K. Tarkington Email: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From cfogg@netcom.com Sat Dec 18 22:50:32 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09286 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:50:31 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA27080 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:50:29 -0600 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom.netcom.com) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27069 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:50:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA16140; Sat, 18 Dec 1993 20:51:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 20:51:05 -0800 X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: cfogg@netcom.com (Chad Fogg) Message-Id: <199312190451.UAA16140@mail.netcom.com> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: introduction X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR >Hi Chad! Can you tell us more about your machine? What software do you >run and what OS? I'll assume OS/2 since John told me you work at the >OS/2 something... They guy from New Zeland works in OS/2 support. I'm what they call a "video data compression scientist." It was kind of invigorating to discover on a recent business trip that the 750 is like a prime status symbol in our little industrial field. Practically everbody totes a laptop too. My configuration is: Monochrome, 4 MB DRAM, 170 MB hard drive, no PCMCIA periphials yet, no use of external poiting device. For the operating system, I run Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS 6.2 (badly needed the compression); for applications, Word for Windows 6.0, GNU gcc C compiler, Turbo C++ Visual and MS-DOS C++. I bought my monochrome Thinkpad 750 from a local retailer here in the Seattle area about 6 weeks ago after having given up on a frustrating search for the Thinkpad 500. I thought I had cancelled the order with IBM Direct for the Thinkpad 500 back then ("I got a 750 so I won't be needing the 500, thank you." "Oh, you'll be very happy with that model, sir.."), but yesterday I discovered on my front porch a rather inconspicuous cardboard box with a small "IBM Traingle Park" printed on the side. I was tempted to make a little swap... but then remembered how much more expandable the 750 is (with color upgrades in early '94), more hard drive storage, etc. The weight has been less of an issue as I had originally thought it would be. My reason for keeping it in its original configuration: 1. Tarrifs were lifted a few months ago on LCD screens. Hopefully this will mean a significant price drop for the color upgrade. 2. DRAM prices were very high due to that Summer chemical fire deal. Hopefully, by waiting a few more months, the cost of the 4,8, or 16 MB DRAM card will come down by half or so. 3. The cost differential between the 170 MB HD and the 340 MB model was about $400. I figured, what with all these new 500 MB 2.5" IDE hard drives being introduced at Comdex, I should hold out for a while. I've also heard rumors about 1 GB units. Anyway, I was a bit dissapointed to discover that the floppy drive bay will not be able to accomodate the new Philips/IBM 128 MB 3.5" MO disc. The bay measured about 3/4" deep, but the press reports say the current descktop units are 1" thick. The 750's removable floppy device is just over 1/2" thick itself. A great machine. --CF From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Sun Dec 19 01:31:08 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21181 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:31:06 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA13887 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:31:04 -0600 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13876 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:30:58 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06305; Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:30:19 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:31:36 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <84696.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: RE: Steve Perfect? X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR In message Sat, 18 Dec 1993 16:33:28 -0600 (CST), Sean Chou writes: > I got Steve's address as sperfect@garnet.acns.f.edu but my message > bounced back. Could you check to see if that's the right address? It's "sperfec" not "sperfect". Dunno why some schools do silly things like this with usernames. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Sun Dec 19 01:31:12 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21198 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:31:10 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA13893 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:31:09 -0600 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13885 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:31:03 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06308; Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:30:24 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:31:39 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <84699.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: RE: introduction (fwd) X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR Nice to see you beat me to the punch with the mail forwarding account Sean. Less work for me... :) > Forwarded message: > >>From cfogg@netcom.com Sat Dec 18 22:50:32 1993 >>Hi Chad! Can you tell us more about your machine? What software do you >> run and what OS? I'll assume OS/2 since John told me you work at the >> OS/2 something... The guy from New Zealand (whose mail I still haven't managed to forward so I guess I'd better hurry before his news posting expires...) works in OS/2 support. > the side. I was tempted to make a little swap... but then remembered > how much more expandable the 750 is (with color upgrades in early '94), Have you asked for the price on the color upgrade? $2999.95. Yuck. Although it does put the overall price in line with the few 750C machines I found with the substantial "dealer markup." The dealer is supposed to install it so some of that price may be labor charges. > more hard drive storage, etc. The weight has been less of an issue as > I had originally thought it would be. I'm finding that out too. It's just that the cost of the machine makes me vary leery of carrying it around like a real notebook. :) > My reason for keeping it in its original configuration: > > 1. Tarrifs were lifted a few months ago on LCD screens. Hopefully > this will mean a significant price drop for the color upgrade. This is a popular misconception. The tarriff was on LCD screens shipped alone. So what all the hardware manufacturers did was manufacture the entire notebook outside the U.S., then ship the notebook into the U.S. bypassing the tarriff. IBM bought some other company that was working on some different active matrix technology. I'm hoping this or some other breakthrough will drop the price to something more reasonable than the $3000 it is now. Maybe the displays they're working on that address each line individually (just like dual-scan, except it's 480 line scan) will do the trick. > 2. DRAM prices were very high due to that Summer chemical fire deal. > Hopefully, by waiting a few more months, the cost of the 4,8, or 16 > MB DRAM card will come down by half or so. When I called around looking for my memory upgrade, prices were just above $50/meg which I felt was pretty reasonable for low-power laptop memory (based on a low of about $25/meg for standard SIMMs before the fire). This was for a 8MB module (both the 4MB and 16MB modules seem to cost more per meg). > 3. The cost differential between the 170 MB HD and the 340 MB model > was about $400. I figured, what with all these new 500 MB > 2.5" IDE hard drives being introduced at Comdex, I should hold out > for a while. I've also heard rumors about 1 GB units. Where'd you buy your system? Obviously not from IBM Direct, who charges $650 extra for the 340MB model (that's almost $4/meg, no thank you). If the 2.5" drives develop anything like the 3.5" drives, they should be dirt cheap in a year or so. I can't believe I bought a 310 MB FH SCSI hard disk for $650 just over a year ago (now worth less than $250 if anyone was willing to buy that form factor). > Anyway, I was a bit dissapointed to discover that the floppy drive > bay will not be able to accomodate the new Philips/IBM > 128 MB 3.5" MO disc. The bay measured about 3/4" deep, but the > press reports say the current descktop units are 1" thick. The 750's > removable floppy device is just over 1/2" thick itself. I don't think we'll ever see a MO drive on a portable. A MO drive writes by heating up the disk surface to something like 170 degrees Centigrade so the magnetic particles can be rearranged. That's going to kill your battery real quick. A MO drive set to read-only while running off the battery might be feasible. I am curious if IBM is working on the smaller CD-ROM format though. Panasonic has a notebook out that uses it. Since most CD-ROMs don't use anywhere near the full 600MB capacity of the 5 1/4" CDs, this may be a new standard in the making (with larger CD-ROM drives capable of reading both formats like Laserdisc players do today). -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Sun Dec 19 01:31:42 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21229 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:31:37 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA13949 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:31:35 -0600 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13919 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:31:27 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06311; Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:30:27 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <84705.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@uiuc.edu, stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz Subject: Steve Withers X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR Here we go. jarthur's mailer is kinda flakey and it wouldn't let me forward Steve's message to my offline mail account (where I do most of my replying). So I copied and pasted it the brute force way. :) Steve Withers Wellington New Zealand stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz (all night) swithers@vnet.ibm.com (all day) Welcome, Steve. Sean Chou has set up a mail forwarding account at tp750@uiuc.edu so just send all TP750 related messages there. Maybe you can pull some strings for us if we come upon some tough problems. Which address do you prefer be added to the mailing list? -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 06:32:24 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 06:32:21 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12789; Sun, 19 Dec 93 07:32:26 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 07:32:26 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312191232.AA12789@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP750 drivers and mailing list Status: OR The 750CE (66 MHz) sounds very interesting. The interesting question of course is whether this is using the same basic chassis as the 750 and just repolacing the chip, or whether it is a completely different machine. "whatever it is that they are smoking" Undoubtedly they are smoking the mysterious stuff that causes unctronollable anti-IBM bias, and they seem to have quite a bit of it around! From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 08:04:48 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22196 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 08:04:46 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13085; Sun, 19 Dec 93 09:04:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 09:04:53 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312191404.AA13085@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: tpug Status: OR I got the reply! From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 08:25:16 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22778 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 08:25:14 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA20840 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 08:25:12 -0600 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20834 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 08:25:07 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13222; Sun, 19 Dec 93 09:25:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 09:25:16 -0500 X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312191425.AA13222@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu, seanchou@uiuc.edu, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: TP 750 Group X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR What's the details on the AT&T modem? From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 09:14:06 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24183 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 09:14:03 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13428; Sun, 19 Dec 93 10:13:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 10:13:57 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312191513.AA13428@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cfogg@netcom.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU, sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP 750 Group Status: OR I run primarily OS/2, I have a DOS partition solely for the purpose of running the 750DEMO for my friends. I hope that soon this will run under OS/2 so I won't have to have DOS around any more. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 09:26:37 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24657 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 09:26:34 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13492; Sun, 19 Dec 93 10:26:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 10:26:36 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312191526.AA13492@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cfogg@netcom.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, sperfect@garnet.acns.fsu.edu, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: introduction Status: OR I have a Megahertz modem, but have had ZERO luck in getting it to work so far, should I dump it in favor of the AT&T modem? From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 09:28:14 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24755 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 09:28:12 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13501; Sun, 19 Dec 93 10:28:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 10:28:17 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312191528.AA13501@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cfogg@netcom.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, sperfect@garnet.acns.fsu.edu, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: RE: introduction (fwd) Status: OR Of course the really nice upgrade would be an 800 x 600 active matrix color screen which could replace the current screen -- just dreamin' ... From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 16:15:56 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28538 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 16:15:53 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14162; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:16:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:16:06 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312192216.AA14162@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP 750 Group Status: OR Can you give me exact model and pricing, do you think I should dump my Megahertz modem for this thing? From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 16:17:31 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28734 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 16:17:29 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14177; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:17:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:17:37 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312192217.AA14177@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: introduction Status: OR tjamls From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 16:17:56 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28792 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 16:17:47 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14180; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:17:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:17:58 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312192217.AA14180@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: introduction Status: OR that should have been: thanks (look at a keyboard to see what happened :-) From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 16:22:43 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29270 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 16:22:39 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14208; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:22:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:22:05 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312192222.AA14208@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cfogg@netcom.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu, stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: 2.88 meg diskettes Status: OR Anyone know a source of reasonable priced 2.88 meg diskettes (since we all have drives that can deal with them). I find that formatting 1.44 meg drives to 2.88 meg is really quite unreliable, any other experience? From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 16:29:25 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29838 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 16:29:23 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14242; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:29:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:29:37 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312192229.AA14242@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: MHz vs AT&T KIT Status: OR Well I could sell it, but maybe I'll have one more shot at getting it working (I *do* like the XJACK, and I know that the connectors are compatible with the ethernet card I have which is an advantage!_ From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 16:31:35 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00056 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 16:31:31 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14273; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:31:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:31:06 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312192231.AA14273@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cfogg@netcom.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu, stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: 2.88 meg diskettes Status: OR I haven't found a source under $4.00/diskette (!), so $1.50 would be a great improvement, where was your source for $1.50 diskettes? From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Dec 19 16:33:18 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00193 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 19 Dec 1993 16:33:15 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14287; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:33:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:33:06 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312192233.AA14287@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cfogg@netcom.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu, stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: MHz vs. AT&T KIT Status: OR Actually it's not so much wanting the best in this case, but wanting something that works, I have been frustrated by the Megahertz so far in that regard, but maybe I haven't tried hard enough! From sztarkin@hamlet.ucdavis.edu Mon Dec 20 13:08:33 1993 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28958 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 13:08:31 -0600 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA10431; Mon, 20 Dec 93 10:55:07 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA15000; Mon, 20 Dec 93 10:55:50 PST Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA05990; Mon, 20 Dec 93 10:52:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 10:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: MHz vs. AT&T KIT To: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <199312192229.AA29833@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Sun, 19 Dec 1993, Sean Chou wrote: > > Can you give me exact model and pricing, do you think I should dump my > > Megahertz modem for this thing? > > I personally think that the AT&T is the best modem but the MHz has gotten > good reviews (primarily due to it's XJack though). It would be a personal > issue as to whether or not it's worth losing money over this (my friend > got a Smart Modular Tech modem for more than an AT&T and has been trying > to sell his SMT modem since but can't find anyone willing to pay over > $175 for it which would mean $150 loss). > > However, Robert Dewar, I believe is a man who wants the best since he > also paid a premium to get the TP750C in the first place and shelled out > more for the 16mb RAM. What do you all think? I wouldn't consider the Megahertz until feedback is received on their upgraded units with a 16550 UART. This might solve the problems. These were to be available on Dec. 13, according to Mike Mann of Megahertz (800-527-8677). Perhaps upgrading could be an alternative to scrapping the whole thing and buying an AT&T? The Xjack does seem to be a nice feature. My AT&T KIT has not yet been delivered by Sparco. I expected it last week. Brian K. Tarkington Email: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Mon Dec 20 20:48:19 1993 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00298 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:16 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10530; Mon, 20 Dec 1993 18:47:36 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 18:48:48 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <67729.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Fw: Re: introduction (fwd) Status: OR You said you wanted one of these 28 (!) messages I got regarding the TP back. I'm presuming it's this message since it was in reply to a message addressed to all, and it only went to me. ------------------------------ From: Sean Chou Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:50:43 -0600 (CST) To: jokim Subject: Re: introduction (fwd) > Nice to see you beat me to the punch with the mail forwarding account Sean. > Less work for me... :) Well, it was only logical once I saw your idea. After all, I have the same thing set up at my school account for an OS/2 user group (it's os2ug@uiuc.edu in case anyone's interested). > The guy from New Zealand (whose mail I still haven't managed to forward so I > guess I'd better hurry before his news posting expires...) works in OS/2 > support. Yup, he'd be great to have along the list, especially if he uses a TP750! :) > Have you asked for the price on the color upgrade? $2999.95. Yuck. > Although it does put the overall price in line with the few 750C machines I > found with the substantial "dealer markup." The dealer is supposed to > install it so some of that price may be labor charges. Amazing! Only IBM can get away with this and they couldn't pull it off with anything other than the 700 series. I seriously hope they reevaluate their position and possible leadership in the notebook area. Of course, that may be too close to a vision for their CEO... > I'm finding that out too. It's just that the cost of the machine makes me > vary leery of carrying it around like a real notebook. :) That's what insurance is for! :) I'm definately insuring my TP for piece of mind. And it also makes you paranoid..."I know he was looking at my TP750...I think he's gonna mug me!" :) I just try to be casual with it....but cautious still... > price to something more reasonable than the $3000 it is now. Maybe the > displays they're working on that address each line individually (just like > dual-scan, except it's 480 line scan) will do the trick. Well, dual-scan has really impressed me. Maybe they can do something like a tetra-scan... > When I called around looking for my memory upgrade, prices were just above > $50/meg which I felt was pretty reasonable for low-power laptop memory > (based on a low of about $25/meg for standard SIMMs before the fire). This I recall the same. I was hoping for the 16mb but the initial money I paid for the TP alone just really set me back... > Where'd you buy your system? Obviously not from IBM Direct, who charges > $650 extra for the 340MB model (that's almost $4/meg, no thank you). > If the 2.5" drives develop anything like the 3.5" drives, they should be > dirt cheap in a year or so. I can't believe I bought a 310 MB FH SCSI hard > disk for $650 just over a year ago (now worth less than $250 if anyone was > willing to buy that form factor). I imagine the market will develop somewhat similarly to the 3.5 drives especially with this new focus on desktop-replacing notebooks. That's one reason why I wanted a hard drive that would be easily upgradeable as well as universally supported (I believe that IBM has passed Mac finally in the notebook arena). Any manufacturer in their right mind is going to make sure their products work with the IBM (hasn't it almost always been like that barring the MicroChannel fiasco which we can attribute to a Diamond-like refusal to distribute specs). > I don't think we'll ever see a MO drive on a portable. A MO drive writes by > heating up the disk surface to something like 170 degrees Centigrade so the > magnetic particles can be rearranged. That's going to kill your battery > real quick. A MO drive set to read-only while running off the battery > might be feasible. That's why I always point to flopticals. It could be cheap enough if it were popular and it can be used in notebooks easily (I would imagine). > I am curious if IBM is working on the smaller CD-ROM format though. > Panasonic has a notebook out that uses it. Since most CD-ROMs don't use > anywhere near the full 600MB capacity of the 5 1/4" CDs, this may be a new > standard in the making (with larger CD-ROM drives capable of reading both > formats like Laserdisc players do today). That would be quite nice. And the best part is, we don't have to wait for IBM necessarily...maybe another company will see the potential in it. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Mon Dec 20 20:48:36 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00330 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:34 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA28654 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:32 -0600 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28644 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:26 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10533; Mon, 20 Dec 1993 18:47:47 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 18:48:59 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <67740.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: RE: 2.88 meg diskettes X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR In message Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:22:05 -0500, Robert Dewar writes: > Anyone know a source of reasonable priced 2.88 meg diskettes (since we all > have drives that can deal with them). I find that formatting 1.44 meg > drives to 2.88 meg is really quite unreliable, any other experience? I've got 6 1.44 meg diskettes (I don't think you can format 1.44 meg drives as 2.88 meg :) that I've formatted to 2.88 meg and backed up some stuff on. They're zip files that take nearly all 2.88 meg of space so it's relatively simple for me to test them. They passed the 1-day test, the 1-week test, and I'll be pulling them out this week for the 1-month test. But I still wouldn't trust my data to them (I use them for things like backups of my original diskettes -- since I've never had an original go bad, I figure the chances of an original and a backup on 2.88 going bad are remote). On a related note, I've had problems reading some 1.44 meg diskettes. It seems to be dependent on the drive used to write the diskettes. One of my friends' computer can read stuff my 750 writes just fine, but the 750 can't read anything his drive writes. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Mon Dec 20 20:48:45 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00347 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:43 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA28687 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:42 -0600 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28661 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:34 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10536; Mon, 20 Dec 1993 18:47:54 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 18:49:10 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <67750.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: RE: MHz vs. AT&T KIT X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR In message Sun, 19 Dec 1993 16:29:22 -0600 (CST), Sean Chou writes: > I personally think that the AT&T is the best modem but the MHz has gotten > good reviews (primarily due to it's XJack though). It would be a personal > issue as to whether or not it's worth losing money over this (my friend > got a Smart Modular Tech modem for more than an AT&T and has been trying > to sell his SMT modem since but can't find anyone willing to pay over > $175 for it which would mean $150 loss). The MegaHertz V.32bis modem currently only emulates a 16450. The AT&T emulates a 16550 (AFNANDWHATEVEROTHERLETTERS). MegaHertz says they're working on a version that emulates a 16550. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Mon Dec 20 20:48:55 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00356 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:53 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA28714 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:51 -0600 Received: from chs.claremont.edu (CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu) by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28704 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 20 Dec 1993 20:48:44 -0600 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10542; Mon, 20 Dec 1993 18:48:05 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 18:49:24 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <67765.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: Cc: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: TP750 Mailing list address X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR Some of you are still manually sending messages to everyone individually (or via an alias). Sean has set up a mail forwarding account to do that for us. >From now on, send all TP750 mailing list messages to: tp750@uiuc.edu which will forward your message to everyone currently on the mailing list (including you). Sean will hopefully be prompt in updating this service with new members so we don't have to change a thing as we pick up more members. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From sztarkin@hamlet.ucdavis.edu Tue Dec 21 13:25:57 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27183 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 21 Dec 1993 13:25:55 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14446 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Tue, 21 Dec 1993 13:25:54 -0600 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14436 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 21 Dec 1993 13:25:47 -0600 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA25189; Tue, 21 Dec 93 11:15:35 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA07541; Tue, 21 Dec 93 11:16:07 PST Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA11596; Tue, 21 Dec 93 11:12:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 10:35:51 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: Subject: Re: MHz vs. AT&T KIT To: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <199312210450.AA11395@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR On Mon, 20 Dec 1993, I wrote: > My AT&T KIT has not yet been delivered by Sparco. I expected it last week. My modem was delivered yesterday after I wrote the above. The grey paint with black writing are quite pedestrian--almost looks like Navy issue. But that is about as far as I had time for last night. I am not going to play around with it until I've had sufficient time to read the manuals, etc. Also, the "optical line inteface" cable appears to be durable and easy to connect to the card. What is in that connector? Also, Sean, do you have any words of wisdom about how to get this thing working? I presume I will have to configure it in DOS. Thanks. Brian K. Tarkington bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Wed Dec 22 15:08:23 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24010 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 22 Dec 1993 15:08:22 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16015 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Wed, 22 Dec 1993 15:08:20 -0600 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15996 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 22 Dec 1993 15:08:14 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29790; Wed, 22 Dec 93 16:08:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 16:08:28 -0500 X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312222108.AA29790@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: IBM keyboard with trackpoint II X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR Since I like the trackpoint II better than a mouse, and I was getting tired of reaching for a non-existent red button on my desk top keyboard, I ordered the IBM keyboard tiwh the trackpoint II. It's very nice, similar layout to the TP750 except that the home/end keys are to the right, closer to where they are on a regular keyboard instead of on top. I also got the numeric keypad (which I assume would work on my TP as well). It is very neat, the whole thing cost me about $240 and was in my opinion well worth while. I had to set the sensitivty of the mouse up to max on my 20" screen. THat means I couldn't use the mouse simultaneously (tto sensitive) but I don't want to use it anyway (I am happy to reclaim the desk space!) From jdg@oz.plymouth.edu Sun Dec 26 19:56:51 1993 Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29239 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 26 Dec 1993 19:56:49 -0600 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26517; Sun, 26 Dec 93 20:59:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 93 20:59:41 -0500 From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9312270159.AA26517@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Tp750 Status: OR Thanks, Sean. Will do. --Joel From jdg@oz.plymouth.edu Sun Dec 26 20:04:54 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29404 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 26 Dec 1993 20:04:52 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA07891 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 26 Dec 1993 20:04:51 -0600 Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07882 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 26 Dec 1993 20:04:46 -0600 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26619; Sun, 26 Dec 93 21:07:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 93 21:07:38 -0500 X-Ph: V3.17@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9312270207.AA26619@oz.plymouth.edu> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: Problems with Dock I & board X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR Dear TP750 colleagues, I've got a problem to resolve ASAP before I do another conference presentation. I can't get a Tandberg Voicecard (8-bit) sound card to work in the Dock I. The software applications I need to show specifically support this board, which can be adjusted for IRQ's 2-7, DMA's 0-2. I've made sure everything is installed snugly, and when I dock the TP, then plug in the Dock, the green "plugged in" light on both units appears. However, when I turn on the TP by pushing the white power button, lights on both units briefly flicker, then the whole thing shuts down & can't be turned on again until I "undock" the TP. Even then , the Dock won't turn back on, I think, until I unplug it, then plug it back in. I may even have to open the bottom, then close it, replug it, etc. Any idea how to get it to accept this board? I've checked the system settings to make sure there's no IRQ conflict, and there doesn't appear to be. The audio device in it is set for IRQ 10, DMA 0-1. I've set mine on IRQ 3, DMA 2. BUt I don't think this matters, the TP doesn't even have time to boot up before the system shuts down with in 1 sec. of my attempting to turn it on. Thanks in advance, Joel Goldfield From cyliax@cs.indiana.edu Wed Dec 29 07:40:19 1993 Received: from jaws.cs.indiana.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08578 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Dec 1993 07:40:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199312291340.AA08578@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Received: by jaws.cs.indiana.edu (5.65c/9.4jsm) id AA09458; Wed, 29 Dec 1993 08:40:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 08:40:31 -0500 From: "Ingo Cyliax" To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: UNIX-es on IBM TP750? Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops In-Reply-To: <2frhun$com@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Cc: Status: OR We have gotten BSD/I's BSD to run on one after hacking some of the pieces, I'm sure FreeBSD and NetBSD will run with similiar hacks. The most annoying problem on it is the keyboard controller, the keymap is non-standard after a reset, so you have to make sure that Unix doesn't reset the keyboard controller in the boot sequence. Anyway, it's a really nice machine. We ordered a D-Link 650 PCMCIA ethernet card in hopes of getting a driver for it working. With a real ethernet card, this would be a cool box. Of course, once the card gets here we have to pry the machine out the faculty's hands that owns it ;-) Hope that helps, -ingo From moore@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 29 17:32:19 1993 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02422 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Dec 1993 17:32:17 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id SAA04300; Wed, 29 Dec 1993 18:25:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199312292325.SAA04300@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: UNIX-es on TP750 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 Dec 1993 16:21:40 CST." <199312292221.AA24728@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 18:25:29 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > Well, you must be the first to be disgusted with it. Why not sell > it off, since you could fetch quite a nice price for it still (or > do you have a 750, rather than a 750C)? Can't sell it; it belongs to my employer. But I can't use it either (sigh). And yes, it's a 750. The IBM guy sent us 750s instead of 750Cs; told us we could upgrade later. Then we found out that the upgrade cost was $2700/unit and my boss said 'no way'. > In any event, don't fret! :) Someone has sent me a message saying > that he got BSD to work with his 750 and you may want to give that > a swing. Have you tried any of the not-so-free UNIX-es? sounds good. do you have details? or can you send me his email addr? I'm not going to spend money on UNIX unless there's a guarantee that it will work with the 750...including the pcmcia cards. w/o a modem and ethernet it's not going to do me much good. > I run OS/2 on mine and it works like a charm. You may want to look > into that since it overcomes many of the brain-dead limitation of DOS > and Windows. thanks, but I need a system that will let me run my UNIX apps. > I have a mailing list dedicated to owners of TP750s. > Maybe you can drop by and check it out although no one I know of in > there is running any UNIX-es on his machine. Just send mail to > tp750@uiuc.edu and give use your views, machine setup, OS, etc. okay...is there a list archive that I could look though? Keith From moore@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 29 22:59:39 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23898 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Dec 1993 22:59:37 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01006 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Wed, 29 Dec 1993 22:59:36 -0600 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00993 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Dec 1993 22:59:31 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id XAA04777; Wed, 29 Dec 1993 23:53:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199312300453.XAA04777@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Ph: V4.1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: random thinkpad 750 musings/questions Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu From: Keith Moore Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 23:53:28 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR I've been struggling for several weeks to get my thinkpad up and running some flavor of UNIX. So far I've tried linux, freebsd, and netbsd, with no success. What I'm finding is that this machine is very incompatible with other [34]86 boxes, so the various UNIX-like operating systems won't talk to it. + the (2.88 mb) floppy controller is different. linux can't read from its floppy disk in order to install the rest of the system. + the hard disk drive geometry is not in the eeprom, so systems that look there for the geometry will fail. + When I do get the linux system booted at all, it comes up with the keyboard as if the 'Fn' key were pressed. So when I try to log in as 'root' it looks like 'r66t'. + I have a Dock 1. I've tried plugging in an AT hard/floppy controller with a 1.44 Mb floppy attached (to get around the floppy drive problem). No matter what jumper settings, (either the primary or secondary controller addresses) the system will not boot with this installed. + I've also tried plugging in an external keyboard to the Dock 1's keyboard jack. That didn't work either...it's just ignored. (Naturally I don't have the "keyboard/mouse connector option"...so I can't connect it to the thinkpad's mouse jack.) + Either Linux doesn't recognize the scsi controller in the Dock 1, or it doesn't recognize the CDROM drive. What kind of SCSI controller is this? Is it compatible with anybody else? + I suppose getting the pcmcia ether card to work is out of the question? + The external scsi connector on the Dock 1 is a 60(!) pin connector of a type I've never seen before. Where can I get an adapter from this to something that's more standard? (or just a ribbon cable connector!) All in all, I'm very frustrated with this machine. Can anyone help me get this thing going or answer any of these questions? Thanks very much, Keith Moore From ychou Thu Dec 30 05:15:57 1993 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22768 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Thu, 30 Dec 1993 05:15:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1993 05:15:56 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199312301115.AA22768@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: tp Status: OR >Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.claremont.edu!jarthur.cs.hmc.edu!jokim >From: jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu (John H. Kim) >Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops >Subject: Re: UNIX-es on IBM TP750? >Date: 30 Dec 1993 06:38:27 GMT >Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA >Lines: 18 >Message-ID: <2ftt13$qig@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> >References: <2frhun$com@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> >NNTP-Posting-Host: jarthur.cs.hmc.edu In article <2frhun$com@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Sean Chou wrote: >I remember seeing a thread about whether or not the TP750 series can >run the various UNIX-es a while back. And I remember someone saying >that Linux doesn't work although a fix exists for it. Where's that >fix? Also, I seem to recall someone saying SCO Xenix dies out too. Is >anyone running a UNIX-type OS on their TP750s? SCO sent me a message saying there's a patch to let SCO UNIX recognize the hard drive controller on the TP750. That was the only problem I had - it booted OK off the floppy, I just couldn't do anything afterwards because it automatically goes into the install routine which died when it couldn't find a hard drive. No idea on Linux. -- John H. Kim | (This space to be filled when I think of jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | something clever to use as a disclaimer) -- Sean Chou University of Illinois - Champaign Email: seanchou@uiuc.edu From moore@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 30 11:03:48 1993 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04336 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 30 Dec 1993 11:03:45 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id LAA05313; Thu, 30 Dec 1993 11:57:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199312301657.LAA05313@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar), jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Kim), sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Brian Tarkington), cfogg@netcom.com (Chad Fogg), sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Steve Perfect), stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Steve Withers), jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Joel Goldfield), moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) Subject: Re: random thinkpad 750 musings/questions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 30 Dec 1993 05:04:27 CST." <199312301104.AA22547@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1993 11:57:26 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > > + the (2.88 mb) floppy controller is different. linux can't read > > from its floppy disk in order to install the rest of the system. > > If that's the major problem and it's not something like a BIOS > incompatibility, have you tried an external floppy or perhaps > something along the lines of installing from the hard drive after > transferring the Linux files onto the hard drive? I know Linux > has some sort of option that will allow you to install from the > hard drive although I forget exactly how it works... I did try plugging in a second hard disk/floppy controller into the Dock 1...but no luck. I don't have an external floppy drive for this beast. Apparently it's not an ordinary drive, but a special option of some sort. > > + I've also tried plugging in an external keyboard to the Dock 1's > > keyboard jack. That didn't work either...it's just ignored. > > That's really bad obviously. I wonder if this problem exists under > DOS or OS/2? It certainly exists under IBM DOS; that's what I tried first. Keith From jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Thu Dec 30 11:12:24 1993 Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04908 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 30 Dec 1993 11:12:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199312301712.AA04908@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: random thinkpad 750 musings/questions (fwd) To: Sean Chou Date: Thu, 30 Dec 93 9:09:49 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199312301059.AA22451@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Dec 30, 93 4:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Hey Sean, forward this to the group and the new guy too. > Forwarded message: > From moore@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 29 22:59:39 1993 > > I've been struggling for several weeks to get my thinkpad up and > running some flavor of UNIX. So far I've tried linux, freebsd, > and netbsd, with no success. What I'm finding is that this machine > is very incompatible with other [34]86 boxes, so the various > UNIX-like operating systems won't talk to it. > > + the (2.88 mb) floppy controller is different. linux can't read > from its floppy disk in order to install the rest of the system. When I was installing a couple of optical floppy drives (21 MB) the manuals mentioned something about the standard PC floppy controller only capable of handing media up to 2MB, and for the 2.88MB and 21MB floppies to work, you needed a specially designed floppy controller or a SCSI controller. It may just be a matter of the Unixes you've tried not supporting the 2.88 drive rather than IBM deliberately making their floppy incompatible. The one Unix I tried (SCO UNIX) booted off and recognized the floppy just fine. > + the hard disk drive geometry is not in the eeprom, so systems > that look there for the geometry will fail. Someone mentioned many of the IBM desktop systems do this too. Since this is the case, most software out there seem to have patches to overcome this. > + I have a Dock 1. I've tried plugging in an AT hard/floppy controller > with a 1.44 Mb floppy attached (to get around the floppy drive problem). > No matter what jumper settings, (either the primary or secondary > controller addresses) the system will not boot with this installed. Have you tried physically removing the 2.88 MB floppy when you try this? > + I've also tried plugging in an external keyboard to the Dock 1's > keyboard jack. That didn't work either...it's just ignored. > (Naturally I don't have the "keyboard/mouse connector option"...so > I can't connect it to the thinkpad's mouse jack.) Try connecting it to the TP's PS/2/Mouse jack just to see if it works. > + Either Linux doesn't recognize the scsi controller in the Dock 1, > or it doesn't recognize the CDROM drive. What kind of SCSI controller > is this? Is it compatible with anybody else? Give IBM's 800 support line a call (800-772-2227). You paid lots of money for the machine and the support. Use it. From jdg@oz.plymouth.edu Thu Dec 30 21:36:14 1993 Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20156 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 30 Dec 1993 21:36:07 -0600 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA20311; Thu, 30 Dec 93 22:38:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 93 22:38:00 -0500 From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9312310338.AA20311@oz.plymouth.edu> To: cfogg@netcom.com, dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu, sperfec@garnet.acns.fsu.edu, stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: random thinkpad 750 musings/questions (fwd) Status: OR It sounds like Keith Moore & I may be having a similar problem regarding a device installed in the Dock I. There must be some catch about getting any card to work in that thing. Ideas? --Joel From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Fri Dec 31 08:06:48 1993 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27675 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 31 Dec 1993 08:06:46 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA25168; Fri, 31 Dec 93 09:06:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 93 09:06:58 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9312311406.AA25168@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: random thinkpad 750 musings/questions (fwd) Status: OR We really need better management of this list. It should be managed like any other list so that to everyone it looks like there is just one user. If you can't do that, maybe I could here (I manage several such lists). Otherwise the headers are gruesomely long and you can't just do replies) From jdg@oz.plymouth.edu Fri Dec 31 10:03:31 1993 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01181 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 31 Dec 1993 10:03:30 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24096 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Fri, 31 Dec 1993 10:03:28 -0600 Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24081 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 31 Dec 1993 10:03:18 -0600 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA07567; Fri, 31 Dec 93 11:06:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 93 11:06:13 -0500 X-Ph: V4.1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9312311606.AA07567@oz.plymouth.edu> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: Dock I shut down X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR I just talked with Sean at the IBM hotline for Thinkpads. He & his technician today (several are away on vacation) have no idea why the Dock I/TP 750 shut down when I have that Tandberg sound board plugged in & try to turn on the units. He thinks it should work with no special changes (jumpers, etc.) as long as there's no IRQ conflict. I told him the settings that seem free & he agrees they look OK. Most curiously, he has no idea in the 1st place why the whole thing would just shut down if the board is good, and it is; I tried it in my 386 machine just prior to plugging it into the Dock I. He'll discuss the problem with more technicians on Monday. Regards, Joel Goldfield From moore@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 1 11:37:24 1994 Received: from THUD.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09789 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Jan 1994 11:37:22 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by thud.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (5.61+IDA+UTK-930922/2.7c-UTK) id AA26453; Sat, 1 Jan 94 12:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: <9401011737.AA26453@thud.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Subject: Re: random thinkpad 750 musings/questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 01 Jan 1994 04:31:11 CST." <199401011031.AA00631@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 1994 12:37:33 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > However, if things can't get straightened out, I'd welcome a more > permanent site with an actual mailing list set up... I can set up a tp750 mailing list here if you wish. Just let me know. Keith Moore From jdg@oz.plymouth.edu Sat Jan 1 20:11:06 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05296 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Jan 1994 20:11:05 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17700 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sat, 1 Jan 1994 20:11:03 -0600 Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17694 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Jan 1994 20:10:58 -0600 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA22873; Sat, 1 Jan 94 21:13:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 94 21:13:53 -0500 X-Ph: V4.1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9401020213.AA22873@oz.plymouth.edu> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: Dock I shutdown explained... X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR I figured out the problem: the board itself was the culprit. The epoxy and bus slot were not milled to standards, and it is easy to insert it maybe 1 mm too far to the right so that the AT-bus contacts do not align right. So, the Dock I/750 apparently shut down automatically to avoid circuit problems. Good thing! Too bad the IBM people didn't know this! Now I have the board installed & the Dock I/750 configuration operating, but I'm not getting any sound out of the board despite having disabled the TP's own sound system & verifying the I/O, DMA & IRQ settings in software. The PATH statements seem to check out, and the software that goes with the board is booting normally. However, it hangs whenever access to an audio file is required, and the board's status lights are not on, which means its existence is not appropriately acknowledged. Perhaps there's a conflict not documented in the on-line help. I'll try a duplicate board on Monday to see if the same problem occurs. Any ideas? Maybe an I/O conflict with some other part of the TP system? Regards, Joel From forster@ssnet.com Sun Jan 2 09:15:08 1994 Received: from marlin.ssnet.com (ssnet.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15588 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Jan 1994 09:15:06 -0600 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19628; Sun, 2 Jan 94 10:15:14 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9401021515.AA19628@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Mailing List for TP750 Users To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Date: Sun, 2 Jan 1994 10:15:14 -0500 (EST) Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 490 Status: OR Please add me to your mailing list for ThinkPad 750 users: forster@ssnet.com Thank you, Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From p00471@psilink.com Sun Jan 2 11:58:09 1994 Received: from worldlink.worldlink.com (worldlink.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21349 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Jan 1994 11:58:07 -0600 Received: by worldlink.worldlink.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-Worldlink) id AA12670; Sun, 2 Jan 94 12:57:46 -0500 Message-Id: <2966604870.0.p00471@psilink.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 94 09:01:45 -0600 To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu From: "Robert J. Della Penna" Subject: Request Addition to TP750 Mailing List X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.6 BETA-4) Status: OR Please add my name to your TP750 mailing list. I have a 750 with 4 Mb RAM (currently being upgrades to 16 Mb,) 340 Mb drive, plus the Intel 14.4/14.4 PCMCIA card. For S/W I have switched to MS-DOS 6.2 with doublespace for 240 Mb. It's a great machine with a few headaches but I wouldn't hesitate to get another one. In fact I have a TP750C still on order. Robert From stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz Sun Jan 2 12:12:55 1994 Received: from blit386.actrix.gen.nz by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21957 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Jan 1994 12:12:45 -0600 Received: from actrix.gen.nz by blit386.actrix.gen.nz id ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 07:04:04 +1300 Received: by actrix.gen.nz id ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 07:20:09 +1200 From: stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz Message-Id: <199401021920.AA07388@actrix.gen.nz> Subject: Re: MHz vs AT&T KIT (fwd) To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 7:20:08 NZT In-Reply-To: <199312192230.AA29926@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Dec 19, 93 4:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Hi Sean I havew been happy reading the things you have been sending, but the volume is getting expensive. Please remove me from your Thinkpad 750 mailing list. Thanks and have a happy New Year, -- Steve Withers Wellington New Zealand stevew@swell.actrix.gen.nz (all night) swithers@vnet.ibm.com (all day) OS/2 2.1 user From wilson@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU Sun Jan 2 12:27:50 1994 Received: from RIGEL.LCS.MIT.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22784 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Jan 1994 12:27:48 -0600 Received: from localhost (wilson@localhost) by rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU (8.6.4/8.6.4) id NAA05499; Sun, 2 Jan 1994 13:28:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 1994 13:28:01 -0500 From: Wilson Chan Message-Id: <199401021828.NAA05499@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Joining the TP750 list... Reply-To: wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Address: 545 Technology Square, Room 626, Cambridge, MA 02139 Status: OR Office Phone: (617) 253-6028 Fax: (617) 253-7359 Home Phone: (617) 621-0232 Hi! Please add me to your ThinkPad 750 mailing list. Thanks. My e-mail address is: wilson@athena.mit.edu --wilson From WPA@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Sun Jan 2 17:49:01 1994 Received: from vmd.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10582 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Jan 1994 17:49:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199401022349.AA10582@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9434; Sun, 02 Jan 94 17:51:24 CST Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (NJE origin WPA@PSUVM) by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with RFC822 id 6141; Sun, 2 Jan 1994 18:48:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 94 18:48 EST From: Subject: IBM TP750 mailing list To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Status: OR Please add me to you TP750 owners mailing list. I have a 750C with a 340 meg hard drive. Thank you. Rick Andrew wpa@psuvm.psu.edu From jbormel@hstbme.mit.edu Sun Jan 2 18:56:10 1994 Received: from HSTBME.MIT.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14006 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Jan 1994 18:56:08 -0600 Received: by hstbme.mit.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA25582; Sun, 2 Jan 83 19:51:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 83 19:51:20 -0500 From: jbormel@hstbme.mit.edu (Joe Bormel) Message-Id: <8301030051.AA25582@hstbme.mit.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Put Me on the mailing list for TP750 users Status: OR John, Thanks for your reply to my post. I'm using OS/2 on my desktop. Wonderful, especially since I got my Novell requestor working right. Please add me to the list: JBormel@lcs.mgh.harvard.edu Thanks. -Joe From klockner@access.digex.net Sun Jan 2 21:18:23 1994 Received: from access3.digex.net by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22490 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Jan 1994 21:18:21 -0600 Received: by access3.digex.net id AA26573 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 2 Jan 1994 22:18:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 1994 22:16:48 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Klockner Subject: TP750 mailing list To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Please place me on the newly formed mailing list for IBM Think Pad 750 users. Thank you very much. ****************************************************************************** Wayne Klockner 301-656-8673 (voice) Bethesda, Maryland 301-656-0460 (fax) klockner@access.digex.net ****************************************************************************** From bosak@netcom.com Mon Jan 3 00:30:17 1994 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom3.netcom.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04688 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 00:30:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA19376; Sun, 2 Jan 1994 22:31:03 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 1994 22:31:03 -0800 From: bosak@netcom.com (Jon Bosak) Message-Id: <199401030631.WAA19376@mail.netcom.com> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: TP750 mailing list Status: OR Please add me to the TP750 mailing list. Thanks. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jon Bosak Sunnyvale, California : bosak@netcom.com jbosak@novell.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 3 00:36:49 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05121 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 00:36:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by wilma.cs.utk.edu (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id BAA04152; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 01:30:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 01:30:39 -0500 From: moore@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <199401030630.BAA04152@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: tp750 mailing list Cc: Keith Moore Status: OR I have tentatively set up a regular mailing list at tp750@cs.utk.edu which has the current membership on it. I'm willing to maintain it if people send mail to tp750-request@cs.utk.edu for additions/deletions/changes is this okay w/you? Keith From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 3 00:37:59 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05236 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 00:37:57 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11201 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 00:37:56 -0600 Received: from THUD.CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11182 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 00:37:51 -0600 Received: by thud.cs.utk.edu (5.61+IDA+UTK-930922/2.7c-UTK) id AA02471; Mon, 3 Jan 94 01:38:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 01:38:04 -0500 X-Ph: V4.1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: moore@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <9401030638.AA02471@thud.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@uiuc.edu Subject: re: Welcome X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR okay...my machine configuration: TP750 (no color); 12Mb memory (waiting on a 16Mb card), PCMCIA modem + ethernet, both from IBM, and a Dock 1 with CDROM drive. I have gotten Linux up on my TP750, but it will only talk to the hard disk...no floppy or ethernet or modem access. I'm working on writing a driver for the PCMCIA modem, which is difficult because the IBM tech reference on the card is scant, and I still don't have my tech ref on the 750 itself (maybe it will be in tomorrow's mail). Keith Moore From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 3 03:07:06 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11940 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:07:04 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id EAA04452; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:00:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199401030900.EAA04452@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Welcome In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 1994 02:32:23 CST." <199401030832.AA09544@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 04:00:55 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR Hard drive size: 350 Mb. The system is almost as maxxed out as is possible: except for no color (sigh) and only 12 Mb. I haven't tried the CD-ROM drive yet. Linux doesn't have a driver that works with the SCSI adapter in the dock. I'll work on that after the ether driver gets done. (I really have no interest in using DOS...) As for how I got Linux to run...A friend of mine loaned me a (very slow) 386 box that already had Linux running. I patched the kernel to wire-in the geometry of the hard-disk on my box, since the TP750 doesn't store the geometry in eeprom like most 386 boxes. (sigh...) Then I had to get around the problem that Linux can't read the floppy drive (because the TP750 has an incompatible floppy controller...). Well, Linux can read/write DOS file systems, but these can't store the other "special" files that Linux needs to boot (devices, files with special permissions, etc) But someone wrote extra code (called UMSDOS) that lets Linux store "special" files in DOS file systems also by creating DOS files with wierd names to hold the extra information. The same person had thoughtfully created zip-files containing a basic Linux system encoded in this format. (the zip files were created under DOS after having built the system under Linux, so they could be extracted under DOS on my system..) So I created two DOS partitions with fdisk...one to boot DOS on and another on which to install this hacked Linux file system (leaving most of the disk still unallocated)...booted DOS, un-zipped the hacked Linux file system on the other drive. Meanwhile, on my friend's 386 box, I compiled a kernel with both the hard-disk geometry patch and the "UMSDOS" patch, and built a Linux boot-disk that would mount the UMSDOS file system as it's root. So then I could boot Linux up on my tp750, and use its fdisk to create a real Linux partition, and build a file system on that partition. I copied all of the Linux installation stuff to DOS floppies, booted DOS on my thinkpad, and copied all of the stuff to the hard disk. Then I rebooted Linux and mounted the DOS filesystem, and installed the various options of the system from there. I've since made various tweaks to work around problems with linux on this machine...for instance, Linux has code to figure out what kind of video card you have and set the display mode accordingly. The tp750's video confuses it and it often sets the mode to something that the LCD can't display...like 80x60. So I configured Linux to always come up in 80x28 mode. There's still some other wierdness that needs to be dealt with. Like, if I halt the machine from Linux, the power switch doesn't work and I can't turn the machine off (or do anything else, either). The only way I could unwedge it was to unplug the ac power and take out the battery! Keith From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 3 03:10:12 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12037 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:10:09 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id EAA04471; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:04:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199401030904.EAA04471@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) Subject: Re: tp750 mailing list In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 1994 02:53:48 CST." <199401030853.AA10179@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 04:04:02 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR how are things set up on your end? Easiest thing to do is probably to forward all traffic from tp750@uiuc.edu -> tp750@cs.utk.edu. And setting the reply-to address will help also. Finally, we can announce to appropriate usenet newsgroups (comp.sys.laptops etc) that it's in the new location. Keith From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 3 03:15:32 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12122 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:15:30 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id EAA04505; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:09:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199401030909.EAA04505@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) Subject: Re: Okay In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 1994 03:03:03 CST." <199401030903.AA11897@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 04:09:23 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR Hmmm...acct might not be that easy to do. Usually it takes some sort of affiliation. What kind of maintenance do you want to do? I was thinking I could maintain the list of addresses (not that I like editing files all that much, but it's mostly done by scripts), but you might want to keep track of what kind of hardware everybody has, what o/s they're running etc. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 3 03:19:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12221 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:18:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA26171; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:19:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:19:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA26165; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:19:02 -0500 From: Keith Moore Received: from localhost by wilma.cs.utk.edu (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id EAA04521; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:12:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:12:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199401030912.EAA04521@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: new mailing list location Status: OR (this is a test as well as an announcement...) send submissions to tp750@cs.utk.edu and they will get re-sent to everyone on the list. send requests for additions/deletions/changes to tp750-request@cs.utk.edu Keith Moore postmaster@cs.utk.edu (among other things...) From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 3 02:46:55 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10019 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 02:46:53 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id DAA04433; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:40:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199401030840.DAA04433@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp750 mailing list In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 1994 02:28:38 CST." <199401030828.AA09449@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 03:40:45 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR "tentatively" means "pending your okay". I didn't want to steal the list from you. I'm postmaster here, so it's easy for me to set up a list. But if you have no objections to setting it up, the list can stay here indefinitely...I didn't mean that the list was temporary. As for "how"...I maintain several lists already, and I have scripts that interface to sendmail that handle lists correctly (e.g. errors don't get bounced to the whole list), and to make it easy for me to add/delete people. Keith From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 3 03:24:14 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12324 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:24:12 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id EAA04549; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:18:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199401030918.EAA04549@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Welcome In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 1994 03:18:25 CST." <199401030918.AA12198@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 04:18:03 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > Maybe once you get as much done (or even now), you can distribute > it along to other TP users who want to run Linux. I think plenty > of sites would be willing to accept that kind of a hack job. Sounds > like you did quite a lot of work! Yeah, that's the idea. I'd hate for anyone else to have to repeat the process..it took quite awhile (and lots of false starts) to figure it all out. > > Like, if I halt the machine from Linux, the power switch doesn't > > work and I can't turn the machine off (or do anything else, either). > > That's kind of a big problem though, no? :) well, it turns out that if I say "reboot" instead of "halt", that Linux resets the machine, it goes back into memory check and other self-test stuff, and then the power-switch just works fine. I suspect it won't be too hard to fix this one...just have to make sure Linux handles whatever interrupt the pseudo-power-switch generates. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 3 03:24:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12330 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:24:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA26511; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:24:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:24:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA26505; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:24:20 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id EAA04549; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:18:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199401030918.EAA04549@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Welcome In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 1994 03:18:25 CST." <199401030918.AA12198@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 04:18:03 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Maybe once you get as much done (or even now), you can distribute > it along to other TP users who want to run Linux. I think plenty > of sites would be willing to accept that kind of a hack job. Sounds > like you did quite a lot of work! Yeah, that's the idea. I'd hate for anyone else to have to repeat the process..it took quite awhile (and lots of false starts) to figure it all out. > > Like, if I halt the machine from Linux, the power switch doesn't > > work and I can't turn the machine off (or do anything else, either). > > That's kind of a big problem though, no? :) well, it turns out that if I say "reboot" instead of "halt", that Linux resets the machine, it goes back into memory check and other self-test stuff, and then the power-switch just works fine. I suspect it won't be too hard to fix this one...just have to make sure Linux handles whatever interrupt the pseudo-power-switch generates. Keith From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 3 03:25:39 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12354 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:25:37 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id EAA04578; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:19:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199401030919.EAA04578@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) Subject: Re: new mailing list location In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 1994 03:22:44 CST." <199401030922.AA12300@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 04:19:30 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > I'm assuming that the current users won't have to request to be > added, right> right. they're already there. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 3 03:42:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12620 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:41:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA27566; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:42:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:42:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA27558; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 04:41:59 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA12614 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:41:43 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401030941.AA12614@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Linux on TP750s To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:41:43 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199401030918.EAA04549@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jan 3, 94 04:17:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 653 Status: OR > the process..it took quite awhile (and lots of false starts) to > figure it all out. I'd hate to have to figure it out! I certainly don't know UNIX well enough to make hacks like that. I know that we have a Linux site here at U of I. I could contact the keepers to see if they could add it. It can be called the KMTP750 Linux distribution! :) > well, it turns out that if I say "reboot" instead of "halt", that > Linux resets the machine, it goes back into memory check and > other self-test stuff, and then the power-switch just works fine. That's not bad. Hope you can resolve the problem though. Have you managed to access the sound card? From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Jan 3 06:10:02 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27337 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 06:10:00 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA10299; Mon, 3 Jan 94 07:10:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 07:10:13 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401031210.AA10299@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Request Addition to TP750 Mailing List (fwd) Status: OR Robert says he is upgrading to 16 megs, is this really right (is there a 12 meg upgrade card)? From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Jan 3 06:24:48 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27539 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 06:24:45 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA10331; Mon, 3 Jan 94 07:24:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 07:24:57 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401031224.AA10331@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Welcome! Status: OR Give me an address, I will send you a copy of the TP Demo. Don't bother sending disks or money (consider it a contribution for your work on the list). From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Jan 3 06:26:03 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27576 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 06:26:00 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA10338; Mon, 3 Jan 94 07:26:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 07:26:12 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401031226.AA10338@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: re: Welcome (fwd) Status: OR Does anyone know if the TP750 will ultimately be upgradable to more than 20 megs, i.e. is the limitation just on the size of memory cards that you can currently get, or is it more fundamental? From reynolds@acs.ucalgary.ca Mon Jan 3 07:32:10 1994 Received: from acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28684 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 07:32:08 -0600 Received: from acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca by acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA123714; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 06:34:08 -0700 Received: by acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA43472; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 06:34:08 -0700 Message-Id: <9401031334.AA43472@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca> Subject: TP750 mailing list To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 6:34:07 MST From: John D Reynolds X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11v] Status: OR John, would appreciate being added to your mailing list for Thinkpad 750 users. I am also dedicated to OS/2. Thanks a lot. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - John Reynolds HSC 1881 - - Dept of Medical Physiology, Phone (403) 220-4552 - - Immunological Sciences Research Group Fax (403) 270-7410 - - reynolds@acs.ucalgary.ca - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cyliax@cs.indiana.edu Mon Jan 3 08:48:31 1994 Received: from jaws.cs.indiana.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01915 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 08:48:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199401031448.AA01915@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Received: from localhost by jaws.cs.indiana.edu (5.65c/9.4jsm) id AA16594; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 09:48:43 -0500 To: Sean Chou Subject: Re: UNIX-es on IBM TP750? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 29 Dec 1993 16:00:25 -0600. <199312292200.AA22310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 09:48:42 -0500 From: Ingo Cyliax Status: OR + Hmm...actually, my school has a site license for BSD that I can take + up for only $50. Maybe I should look into that. I would certainly + appreciate some pointers on what had to be hacked and how you went + about it. Have you run the X interface under it yet? How's that work? We have the 'generic' XFree driver running on it. It only does 640x480x16, and is kind of slow. We don't know what VGA chip they use, and even if we did, I don't think Xfree 2.0 would support it. X on the notebooks is quite a problem, especially for us. + Yupper, I'd love to hook up a ethernet PCMCIA card to my machine but + I'd have nowhere to network with... :) The biggest problem with these + machines seems to be the difficulty in getting a hold of one! :) We may get sign a non-disclosure agreement with Xircom to write a PCMCIA driver, unfortunately, we would only be able to release the object for it, not the sources. I would prefer to do the D-Link card, since we can give away the sources for it. + Let me know how it works out. OK. + FWI, I run OS/2 usually with a DOS partition. But I grow weary of DOS + (don't we all) and would like to set up a UNIX-y parition in it's + place. Unfortunately, I was short-sighted enough to only give it a + 60mb partition...as I recall Linux and XFree took about 90mb... Actually, how is OS/2 working out. I noticed that many people are running OS/2 on their TPs. If there was an X server for OS/2 and a gnu-C compiler, we would probably look into it. See ya, -ingo From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 3 09:55:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10964 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 09:55:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA25696; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:55:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:55:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA25690; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:55:30 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id KAA04687; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:49:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199401031549.KAA04687@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Linux on TP750s In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 1994 03:41:43 CST." <199401030941.AA12614@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 10:49:13 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Have you managed to access the sound card? no, that can wait until everything else is done. (and until the technical reference arrives...) I gather that it's not h/w compatible with anything else; does anybody know? From cshuster@ccmail.com Mon Jan 3 10:28:08 1994 Received: from blinky.ccmail.COM by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14925 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:28:02 -0600 Received: from smtpgate.ccmail.com by blinky.ccmail.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13798; Mon, 3 Jan 94 08:29:42 PST Received: from ccMail by smtpgate.ccmail.com id AA757614285 Mon, 03 Jan 94 08:24:45 pst Date: Mon, 03 Jan 94 08:24:45 pst From: cshuster@ccmail.com Message-Id: <9400037576.AA757614285@smtpgate.ccmail.com> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: TP750 mailing list -- add request Status: OR Please add me to your TP750 mailing list. I've currently got a 700C upgraded to 50 MHz, but I'm very interested in the 750s, and am working on mobile mail products. --Cy-- From dddd@midway.uchicago.edu Mon Jan 3 10:28:51 1994 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14996 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:28:49 -0600 Received: from gsbdwd.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:29:01 CST To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu From: dddd@midway.uchicago.edu (Doug Diamond) Subject: Subscribe Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:30:21 Cc: dddd@midway.uchicago.edu Message-Id: Status: OR Subscribe. (Please put me on the TP750 list) Doug Diamond d-diamond@uchicago.edu From stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu Mon Jan 3 10:42:56 1994 Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17054 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:42:54 -0600 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18950 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:42:21 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA11077; Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:52:23 CST Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:52:23 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9401031652.AA11077@kentucky> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: ThinkPad 750 Mailing List Status: OR Please add me. Thanks! Stan Wasserman stanwass@uiuc.edu From mr31813@fmrco.com Mon Jan 3 11:28:13 1994 Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23051 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 11:28:10 -0600 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11442 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 11:28:02 -0600 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA22661; Mon, 3 Jan 94 12:26:37 -0500 Received: from fmrco.UUCP by uucp2.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 122443.1212; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 12:24:43 EST Received: from ocean.fmrco.com by fmrco.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03758; Mon, 3 Jan 94 12:16:47 EST Received: from conch by ocean.fmrco.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12925; Mon, 3 Jan 94 12:17:33 EST From: mr31813@fmrco.com (Jason Duran) Received: by conch (4.1/Spike-2.1) id AA24168; Mon, 3 Jan 94 12:17:33 EST Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 12:17:33 EST Message-Id: <9401031717.AA24168@conch> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: TP750 list X-Status: NS X-Mailer: Aster*x 2.0 (360) Status: OR Please add me to the TP750 mailing list... --Jason mr31813@fmrco.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 3 13:26:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10303 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 13:26:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA10489; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 14:26:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 14:26:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA10482; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 14:26:10 -0500 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA24011; Mon, 3 Jan 94 11:17:58 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA11618; Mon, 3 Jan 94 11:18:49 PST Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA13162; Mon, 3 Jan 94 11:15:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 11:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: AT&T KIT AND FAXWORKS To: Keith Moore Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I would like to report that FaxWorks for OS/2 works great with the AT&T "Keep in Touch" modem. I have successfully sent several. It is a little clunky, however, having to turn the modem on and off from a DOS prompt. I will contact AT&T this week about the OS/2 drivers. FaxWorks appears to be a very well thought out application. However, I have not had experience with any other fax programs. Can anyone suggest a really first class communications program using the Zmodem? Also, a very naive question, why would one want to run UNIX on a Thinkpad? Thank you for your patience. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis Email: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From klockner@access.digex.net Mon Jan 3 14:20:35 1994 Received: from access3.digex.net by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21235 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 14:20:33 -0600 Received: by access3.digex.net id AA21396 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:20:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:18:26 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Klockner Subject: TP750 mailing list To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR >Okay, you've been added to the list. Please respond to the first message... It appears as though I'm on the list and that things are working fine. Thanks alot! ****************************************************************************** Wayne Klockner 301-656-8673 (voice) Bethesda, Maryland 301-656-0460 (fax) klockner@access.digex.net ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 3 14:33:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23575 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 14:33:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA16061; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:33:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:33:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA16053; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:33:27 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA10963; Mon, 3 Jan 94 15:03:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 15:03:19 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401032003.AA10963@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: AT&T KIT AND FAXWORKS Status: OR Why would one want to run Unix on a thinkpad? Curious question, why would one want to run Unix on anything, simple answer because you want to run Unix because you either like Unix, or are using Unix software that doesn't run under other systems. I don't see what's special with respect to Unix about the Thinkpad. Remember that the majority of all Unix systems run on x86 machines. From klockner@access.digex.net Mon Jan 3 14:35:22 1994 Received: from access3.digex.net by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23962 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 14:35:18 -0600 Received: by access3.digex.net id AA22047 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for Sean Chou ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:35:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:28:41 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Klockner Subject: Re: Welcome (fwd) To: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <199401030915.AA12172@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR You had asked us to describe our TP750 systems. Unfortunately, mine is on order. Here are the specs: TP750CS (dual scan passive matrix) 8 mb RAM 350 mb hard drive OS: ms-dos/windows I'm looking for a good 14.4 modem for the PCMCIA slot. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. ****************************************************************************** Wayne Klockner 301-656-8673 (voice) Bethesda, Maryland 301-656-0460 (fax) klockner@access.digex.net ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 3 14:46:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26223 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 14:46:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17290; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:46:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:46:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hydra3c.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17284; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:46:43 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by hydra3c.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (5.61+IDA+UTK-930922/2.7c-UTK) id AA24658; Mon, 3 Jan 94 15:44:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9401032044.AA24658@hydra3c.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: AT&T KIT AND FAXWORKS In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Jan 1994 11:15:44 PST." Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 15:44:38 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Also, a very naive question, why would one want to run UNIX on a > Thinkpad? Thank you for your patience. Well, from my point of view, the question is "why would one want to run DOS, Windows, or OS/2?" :-) I write networking code for UNIX workstations, and I use UNIX as my normal operating environment. Having UNIX on a TP750 will let me work effectively "on the road". Also, it's nice to have a portable machine that lets me demo my software. Keith Moore From forster@ssnet.com Mon Jan 3 16:39:19 1994 Received: from marlin.ssnet.com (ssnet.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16694 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 16:39:16 -0600 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08061; Mon, 3 Jan 94 17:39:23 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9401032239.AA08061@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: Mailing List for TP750 Users To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 17:39:22 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199401030524.AA01027@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Jan 2, 94 11:24:25 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1589 Status: OR Sean Chou writes: : : > Please add me to your mailing list for ThinkPad 750 users: : : Consider yourself added! :) Please send us a description of your : machine as well as commonly run apps, your OS, and peripherals : (especially any PCMCIA cards). Thanks! : Ok, here's my setup: ThinkPad 750 (mono) w/ 12MB RAM and 340MB harddisk, IBM PCMCIA 10B2 ethernet adapter and AT&T Keep-In-Touch PCMCIA modem card. I also have the Docking Station I with its CDROM drive (Toshiba 4101). I use OS/2 2.1 (with TCP/IP 2.0 to connect to a 486/33 MHz Tower, which also runs OS/2 and soon Linux -- if I find the time) and right now use it to finish my PhD in Theoretical Chemistry. Therefore I do a lot of software development (mostly number crunching) with the CSet++ package, and I also use AMS-TeX to write the thesis. Apart from these I use Quicken (f. Windows), FaxWorks for OS/2 and some Lotus Windows Apps (OS/2 upgrade is ordered). And of course I have most GNU Unix utilities, because Unix is what I use at the university. It seems that the two PCMCIA cards (or the OS/2 software, more likely) are not quite compatible. See my separate message responding to the KIT mail. Greetings, Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From p00471@psilink.com Mon Jan 3 20:41:02 1994 Received: from worldlink.worldlink.com (worldlink.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 20:41:01 -0600 Received: by worldlink.worldlink.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-Worldlink) id AA19881; Mon, 3 Jan 94 21:40:37 -0500 Message-Id: <2966733320.3.p00471@psilink.com> In-Reply-To: <199401031214.AA27411@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 94 20:36:31 -0600 To: "Sean Chou" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "Robert J. Della Penna" Subject: Re: 12mb DRAM? X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.6 BETA-4) Status: OR My appologies! I meant to say I was adding a 8 Mb module to yield a total of 12 Mb. .... Sorry. Robert >DATE: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 06:14:48 -0600 (CST) >FROM: Sean Chou > >> Robert says he is upgrading to 16 megs, is this really right (is there a >> 12 meg upgrade card)? > >I've never heard of one. I suspect, he meant to say he'll have a >total of 12mb RAM (so an 8mb card). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 3 20:41:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12217 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Jan 1994 20:41:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA09771; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 21:41:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 21:41:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from worldlink.worldlink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA09764; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 21:41:17 -0500 Received: by worldlink.worldlink.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-Worldlink) id AA19881; Mon, 3 Jan 94 21:40:37 -0500 Message-Id: <2966733320.3.p00471@psilink.com> In-Reply-To: <199401031214.AA27411@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 94 20:36:31 -0600 To: "Sean Chou" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "Robert J. Della Penna" Subject: Re: 12mb DRAM? X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.6 BETA-4) Status: OR My appologies! I meant to say I was adding a 8 Mb module to yield a total of 12 Mb. .... Sorry. Robert >DATE: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 06:14:48 -0600 (CST) >FROM: Sean Chou > >> Robert says he is upgrading to 16 megs, is this really right (is there a >> 12 meg upgrade card)? > >I've never heard of one. I suspect, he meant to say he'll have a >total of 12mb RAM (so an 8mb card). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 4 02:22:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10756 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 02:22:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA03994; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 03:22:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 03:22:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA03987; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 03:22:17 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA10744 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 02:22:02 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401040822.AA10744@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: RAM limit? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 02:22:01 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401031226.AA10338@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jan 3, 94 07:25:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 495 Status: OR > Does anyone know if the TP750 will ultimately be upgradable to more than > 20 megs, i.e. is the limitation just on the size of memory cards that you > can currently get, or is it more fundamental? I think that 20mb is the limit pretty much. But, it's important to note that you can start to use the PCMCIA cards to supplement it. There are memory cards. A flash card could be used as a swap drive (once they develop a better file system where it won't go bad with lots of read/writes). From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Tue Jan 4 02:28:02 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11103 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 02:28:00 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA19701; Tue, 4 Jan 94 03:28:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 03:28:13 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401040828.AA19701@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: RAM limit? Status: OR What makes you think 20MB is the limit, is there only a limited number of pins to the memory card? From: Solana Eduardo Message-Id: <411*/S=solana/OU=cui/O=unige/PRMD=switch/ADMD=arcom/C=ch/@MHS> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Join the TP750 users mailing list Status: OR Hi, Could you please add my email address (enclosed in the signature) to the TP750 mailing list? Thanks in advance, E.Solana +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Eduardo Solana University of Geneva eMail: Centre Universitaire d'Informatique X.400: /S=solana/OU=cui/O=unige 24, rue General Dufour /P=switch/A=arcom/C=ch CH-1211 Geneva 4 (Switzerland) Tel: (+41 22) 705 76 41 Fax: (+41 22) 320 29 27 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From Ninane@fynu.ucl.ac.be Tue Jan 4 06:08:16 1994 Received: from fynu2.fynu.ucl.ac.be by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03146 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 06:08:07 -0600 Received: from localhost by fynu2.fynu.ucl.ac.be (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C (AN/FYNU v%I%)) id AA23610; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 13:08:07 +0100 Message-Id: <9401041208.AA23610@fynu2.fynu.ucl.ac.be> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Louvain (LLN) - Nuclear Physics Dept. Subject: TP750 mailing list Date: Tue, 04 Jan 94 13:08:05 +0100 From: Ninane@fynu.ucl.ac.be X-Mts: smtp Status: OR Could you please add me to the TP750 mailing list ? Thanks, Alain ----- Dr. Alain H. Ninane | Tel : +32-10-47.32.32 - Fax: +32-10-45.21.83 University of Louvain | Internet: Ninane@fynu.ucl.ac.be Nuclear Physics Dept. | Ch. du Cyclotron, 2 B-1348 Louvain-la-Neuve | BELGIUM From f91el@efd.lth.se Tue Jan 4 09:04:20 1994 Received: from efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10686 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 09:04:16 -0600 Received: from [130.235.40.20] (jupiter-10.efd.lth.se) by kobra.efd.lth.se with smtp (perl jhmail 0.20) (rfc1413: f91el@jupiter-10.efd.lth.se) id 2d298569_2c6_1 ; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:04:09 MET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Jan 1994 16:03:44 +0100 From: Erik Lindahl To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: TP 750 mailing list Status: OR Sorry if this is the second time you receive this, We just installed a new mail server and it detected some kind of problem... Just to be sure you ge= t it, I'm sending it again... I just received my TP750C with 8 Megs and OS/2 and I would be very thankfu= l if you could put "on the list" :-) If you already have some kind of register, I'd like to get in touch with anyone who has tried NeXTStep on the TP. (I'm planning of doing so!) Ooops.. almost forgot: If you have received letters from other TP750 users= in Sweden, I'd be glad to get their adresses, or you could give them mine! Thanks! Erik ------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Lindahl f91el@efd.lth.se Lund Institute of Technology, Lund, Sweden From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 4 09:27:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12416 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 09:27:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA09242; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 10:27:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 10:27:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA09159; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 10:27:11 -0500 Received: from gsbdwd.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue, 4 Jan 94 09:27:08 CST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 09:27:08 CST Message-Id: <9401041527.AA24530@midway.uchicago.edu> X-Sender: dddd@midway.uchicago.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: d-diamond@uchicago.edu (Doug Diamond) Subject: TP750 list and my config X-Mailer: Status: OR Sean Chou asked me to mail my config. He has added my to the 750 list. TP750C 170MB disk 12 MB memory OS: Dos/windows currently, planning OS/2 installation in near future. Douglas W. Diamond University of Chicago d-diamond@uchicago.edu From torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca Tue Jan 4 13:08:38 1994 Received: from nash.pubnix.qc.ca by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11779 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 13:08:30 -0600 Received: by nash.pubnix.qc.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA04655; Tue, 4 Jan 94 14:08:25 -0500 From: torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca (Andre Laurendeau) Message-Id: <9401041908.AA04655@nash.pubnix.qc.ca> Subject: TP750 mailling list To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:08:24 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 744 Status: OR I heard about a Thnkpad 750 list on Laptop newsgroup. Can you put me on it ? I have: A thinkpad 750 Mono, 12Mb ram (third party mem card), A Megahertz XJ-1144 PCMCIA modem, a Xircom CE-10BC ethernet PCMCIA card, an I run OS/2. Thanks, :========================================================: : Andre Laurendeau [] : : Lawyer [] Phone/Fax : : [] (514) 278-1664 : : JURISYS INC. [] : : 1030 Beaubien east, #201 [] Internet: : : Montreal, Canada, H2S 1T4 [] torbit@rot.qc.ca : :========================================================: From stevens@watson.ibm.com Tue Jan 4 14:00:10 1994 Received: from watson.ibm.com by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21184 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:00:08 -0600 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2989; Tue, 04 Jan 94 15:00:15 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 2615; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:00:14 EST Received: from ganga.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 04 Jan 94 15:00:14 EST Received: by ganga.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA17656; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:00:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:00:12 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9401042000.AA17656@ganga.watson.ibm.com> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: mail list Status: OR hi, can you add me to the TP750 mailing list? --Andy Stevens From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 4 14:15:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23403 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:15:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29549; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29537; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:41 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27126; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:08:44 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:10:31 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <43832.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 2.88 MB drives Status: OR >> or a SCSI controller. It may just be a matter of the Unixes you've >> tried not supporting the 2.88 drive rather than IBM deliberately >> making their floppy incompatible. The one Unix I tried (SCO UNIX) >> booted off and recognized the floppy just fine. > I'd like to see so much as IBM themselves supporting 2.88 disks. I > wonder if they ever distribute programs on 2.88 media? I suspect it's more a matter of there being so few 2.88 drives out there right now that it's not practical. One thing I think I will do though is move the backup I have for my dictionary program from 12 720k diskettes to 3 2.88 diskettes. Of course that leaves me with 12 blank 720k diskettes and I despise 720k diskettes, but in this case I don't think I'll mind. :) I forgot to update you guys on my current 1.44MB-formatted-as-2.88MB-disk experiment. Soon after I bought my 750, I found out a bug in OS/2 was failing to detect my HD disks were HD and was formatting them as 2.88 MB. I used 6 such formatted diskettes to backup a bunch of software in ZIP format. Because it's ZIPped, I can test the files for integrity fairly easily. As of December 24, they've passed the 1-month test w/o data loss. It seems reasonably safe. Does anyone know if stuff is written on diskettes from the inside out or outside in? The inside tracks are the densest so I'd think most problems would show up there. I may be missing some data points since most of my backups don't fill the entire diskette. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 4 14:15:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23416 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:15:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29565; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29556; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:50 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27135; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:08:53 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <43840.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: UNIX-es on IBM TP750? (fwd) Status: OR In message Tue, 4 Jan 1994 02:46:21 -0600 (CST), >>From cyliax@cs.indiana.edu Mon Jan 3 08:48:31 1994 > + about it. Have you run the X interface under it yet? How's that work? > We have the 'generic' XFree driver running on it. It only does 640x480x16, > and is kind of slow. We don't know what VGA chip they use, and even if we > did, I don't think Xfree 2.0 would support it. X on the notebooks is > quite a problem, especially for us. Here's one for your FAQ Sean. The TP750 uses the Western Digital 90C24 chipset, aka "Rocket," not to be confused with with the Western Digital 90C31 which is their top line chipset and also nicknamed "Rocket." They are both accelerated (the latter is probably more accelerated :). They are supposed to be compatible with the Paradise chipset (which wouldn't take advantage of the acceleration hardware). The 90C24 specs out at 1024x768x8 bits. It cannot display 16-bit or 24-bit colors. Too bad. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 4 14:15:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23435 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:15:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29578; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29555; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:50 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27129; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:08:47 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:10:34 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <43835.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: ATTN: New site found! Status: OR In message Mon, 3 Jan 1994 03:12:40 -0600 (CST), Sean Chou writes: > Thanks again to all the members who stuck with me as primitive as the > list was! And especially to Robert Dewar (who helped think of this > great idea and answered all my pesty questions before I finally got > my own TP750C) and John Kim (who helped out in general)... And to think this mailing list idea started as a joke in a post I made in reply to one of your questions... -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 4 14:16:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23458 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:15:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29581; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29558; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:09:52 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27132; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:08:50 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:10:37 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <43838.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Welcome (fwd) Status: OR >From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 3 03:07:06 1994 > > There's still some other wierdness that needs to be dealt with. > Like, if I halt the machine from Linux, the power switch doesn't > work and I can't turn the machine off (or do anything else, either). > The only way I could unwedge it was to unplug the ac power and take > out the battery! There's a reset button between the video port and the dock port. Get a paper clip and push the button in the hole a-la Macintosh floppy drives. It's amazing what you can learn from the manual. :) -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From sztarkin@hamlet.ucdavis.edu Tue Jan 4 14:32:23 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26270 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:32:22 -0600 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06827 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:32:20 -0600 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06767 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:32:14 -0600 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA14089; Tue, 4 Jan 94 12:17:06 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA11838; Tue, 4 Jan 94 12:17:55 PST Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA26797; Tue, 4 Jan 94 12:14:44 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:14:38 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V4.1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: Subject: Re: AT&T KIT, Tp750 AND FAXWORKS To: Peter Forster Cc: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <9401032251.AA08339@marlin.ssnet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR On Mon, 3 Jan 1994, Peter Forster wrote: > > Well, I can report that this works indeed, but with some restrictions: > I can only use the DOS modem configuration program (that came with the KIT > card) if I comment out the socket services line > DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\IBM2SS01.SYS /S0=2 > in CONFIG.SYS. True, I checked, and mine was"REM DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\IBM2SS01.SYS /SO=2", but I did not REM it out. I only added 2,2F8,3 to the ... \FAXWORKS\FMD.SYS statement to set it up on COM2. > Otherwise it generates a 'Divide Error' and often hangs the > whole system. If I replace the '/S0=2' parameter with '/S0=1' (don't know > what that actually does or means), the KIT's config.exe works fine, but the > COM port is still not recognized (I have the modem card in slot B and use > 'CONFIG SLOTB COM2'). I do need to load the socket services, however, in > order to use my IBM PCMCIA ethernet adapter in slot A. > My modem is in slot A (the top slot). At my experience level and place on the learning curve with all this, one card presents enough complexity. I don't even want to think about two. > I'm somewhat stuck with this problem and already wanted to call AT&T about it, > but I can't find their Technical Support phone number anywhere among the things > that came with it (although it advertises toll-free support on the box). This > number is probably only printed on the registration card, which I have already > sent off -- or I only get it after having registered? The number I have for AT&T Paradyme is 800-237-0016. I couldn't find it on anything that was sent with the modem either, including the reg. card, which I had not yet mailed. Brian K. Tarkington bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 4 19:08:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04891 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 19:08:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA20600; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 20:04:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 20:04:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UTKVM1.UTK.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA20593; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 20:04:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199401050104.UAA20593@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from UTKVM1.BITNET by UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7385; Tue, 04 Jan 94 20:01:05 LCL Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by UTKVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 7855; Tue, 04 Jan 94 20:01:05 LCL Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (NJE origin WPA@PSUVM) by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with RFC822 id 6363; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 20:04:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 20:04 EST From: Subject: TP750 setup To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR As requested, here is the setup I am using with my TP. It is a 750C with a 340 megabyte hard drive. I have added an additional 8 megabytes of ram using an IBM ram card. I had tried using an H.Co. card (much less expensive) but got two bad ones in a row and decided to opt for the IBM. I have the IBM PCMCIA high speed data/fax modem and it works fine (that is, after I shaved the plug that fits into the PCMCIA card so that it would fit in the PCMCIA slot cover). I am using both MS-DOS and Windows. I run spread sheets, wordperfect 6.0, WinFax, CACSLIP, Minitab for Windows, TSP, and some other software. As soon as I can swing it I want to run SAS for windows. I do a lot of statistical analysis and the TP has performed great. I have a port replicator at the office that has PCMCIA slots and one without at home. They are very handy. I plan to use an ethernet card in the one at work when we get hooked up to a network. This mailing list is a great idea. I've already learned a lot from reading the posts. Keep up the good work! Rick Andrew Penn State University From p00471@psilink.com Tue Jan 4 20:12:29 1994 Received: from worldlink.worldlink.com (worldlink.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10654 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 20:12:27 -0600 Received: by worldlink.worldlink.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-Worldlink) id AA23815; Tue, 4 Jan 94 21:12:01 -0500 Message-Id: <2966731214.0.p00471@psilink.com> In-Reply-To: <199401030527.AA01166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 94 20:06:45 -0600 To: "Sean Chou" From: "Robert J. Della Penna" Subject: Re: Request Addition to TP750 Mailing List X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.6 BETA-4) Status: OR Sean, Sorry about the confusion over the 12 mb RAM. I meant to say 8 mb. S/W is my shorthand for software. I have partioned the 340 mb drive into two partitions. The first is 100 mb non-compressed. The second is fully compressed at a 2:1 ratio. There is some slowness observed in a few applications. For example Visual C++, Norton Backup of PSI data files and some stock data files I monitor. Otherwise it works fine. Robert >DATE: Sun, 2 Jan 1994 23:27:28 -0600 (CST) >FROM: Sean Chou > >I didn't know they had an 12mb RAM card. Where are you getting it >and how much is it? > >> For S/W I have switched to MS-DOS 6.2 with doublespace for 240 Mb. > >You have a second partition? What's S/W mean? All these little >messages... :) From channel1!joseph.pereira@uu.psi.com Tue Jan 4 21:26:44 1994 Received: from uu.psi.com by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17406 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 21:26:40 -0600 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.1.031792-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA25398 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 94 22:20:35 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E15992; Tue, 4 Jan 94 22:12:50 -0500 To: YCHOU@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU Subject: Mailing list From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.262493.700.0CE15992@channel1.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 16:22:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Greetings.... I'm in the process of receiving a TP750c.....would you please add me to the mailing list! Sincerely, Joseph Pereira From gtsull@access.digex.net Tue Jan 4 21:40:37 1994 Received: from access2.digex.net by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18650 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 21:40:35 -0600 Received: by access2.digex.net id AA11832 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Tue, 4 Jan 1994 22:40:50 -0500 From: "George T. Sullivan" Message-Id: <199401050340.AA11832@access2.digex.net> Subject: TP750 Mailing List To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 22:40:50 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 183 Status: OR Please include me on the Thinkpad 750 mailing list. I have a 750 mono, 12 Meg, 170Meg HD, Xircom CE PCMCIA, MHz XJack 14.4 if you are surveying what people have. Thanks s/george From Ninane@fynu.ucl.ac.be Wed Jan 5 02:01:53 1994 Received: from fynu2.fynu.ucl.ac.be by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12455 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 02:01:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by fynu2.fynu.ucl.ac.be (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C (AN/FYNU v%I%)) id AA24955; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:01:53 +0100 Message-Id: <9401050801.AA24955@fynu2.fynu.ucl.ac.be> To: Sean Chou Subject: Re: TP750 mailing list Organization: University of Louvain (LLN) - Nuclear Physics Dept. In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 05 Jan 94 00:47:30 -0600. <199401050647.AA07853@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 94 09:01:53 +0100 From: Ninane@fynu.ucl.ac.be X-Mts: smtp Status: OR > You have been added, but please note that future request/deletions/ > changes should go to tp750-request@cs.utk.edu. And the mailing > address has been changed to tp750@cs.utk.edu. Keith Moore has > graciously setup a real mailing list for us there. Welcome to the > list! And tell us about your system, OS, and peripherals! Dear Sean, Thank you for adding me on the mailing-list. At this time, I do not have (yet) a TP750. I just plan to buy a monochrome TP in a few weeks, I just sent, a few days ago, prices requests to stores in the country. You must know that computers are more expensive in Europe (and in Belgium in particular where taxes are as high as 20.5 %) than in the States. Therefore, I'm trying to find the best-but-cheaper store which gives me the best discounts (for educational). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 5 03:03:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16326 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 03:03:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA21947; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 03:59:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 03:59:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA21940; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 03:59:39 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14737 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 02:59:24 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401050859.AA14737@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT, Tp750 AND FAXWORKS (fwd) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 02:59:23 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2230 Status: OR Forwarded message: >From sztarkin@hamlet.ucdavis.edu Tue Jan 4 14:32:23 1994 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:14:38 -0800 (PST) X-Ph: V4.1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From: Subject: Re: AT&T KIT, Tp750 AND FAXWORKS To: Peter Forster Cc: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <9401032251.AA08339@marlin.ssnet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 On Mon, 3 Jan 1994, Peter Forster wrote: > > Well, I can report that this works indeed, but with some restrictions: > I can only use the DOS modem configuration program (that came with the KIT > card) if I comment out the socket services line > DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\IBM2SS01.SYS /S0=2 > in CONFIG.SYS. True, I checked, and mine was"REM DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\IBM2SS01.SYS /SO=2", but I did not REM it out. I only added 2,2F8,3 to the ... \FAXWORKS\FMD.SYS statement to set it up on COM2. > Otherwise it generates a 'Divide Error' and often hangs the > whole system. If I replace the '/S0=2' parameter with '/S0=1' (don't know > what that actually does or means), the KIT's config.exe works fine, but the > COM port is still not recognized (I have the modem card in slot B and use > 'CONFIG SLOTB COM2'). I do need to load the socket services, however, in > order to use my IBM PCMCIA ethernet adapter in slot A. > My modem is in slot A (the top slot). At my experience level and place on the learning curve with all this, one card presents enough complexity. I don't even want to think about two. > I'm somewhat stuck with this problem and already wanted to call AT&T about it, > but I can't find their Technical Support phone number anywhere among the things > that came with it (although it advertises toll-free support on the box). This > number is probably only printed on the registration card, which I have already > sent off -- or I only get it after having registered? The number I have for AT&T Paradyme is 800-237-0016. I couldn't find it on anything that was sent with the modem either, including the reg. card, which I had not yet mailed. Brian K. Tarkington bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From ychou Wed Jan 5 03:23:05 1994 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17071 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 03:23:04 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401050923.AA17071@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT, Tp750 AND FAXWORKS (fwd) To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 03:23:03 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199401050859.AA14737@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Jan 5, 94 02:59:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1816 Status: OR > > Otherwise it generates a 'Divide Error' and often hangs the > > whole system. If I replace the '/S0=2' parameter with '/S0=1' (don't know > > what that actually does or means), the KIT's config.exe works fine, but the > > COM port is still not recognized (I have the modem card in slot B and use > > 'CONFIG SLOTB COM2'). I do need to load the socket services, however, in > > order to use my IBM PCMCIA ethernet adapter in slot A. > > > My modem is in slot A (the top slot). At my experience level and place > on the learning curve with all this, one card presents enough > complexity. I don't even want to think about two. The S0 parameter specifies how many slots are in your machine. I don't bother with the driver that came with the KIT. I just use the PCMCIA Phoenix drivers that came with PC-DOS 6.1. I find that if I reserve the COM port in the config.sys and open a DOS box (with minimal memory) with the drivers loaded, I can do fine. The major benefit of this is that the Pheonix drivers communicate with the card to find out what it does. Include the following drivers in your DOS box device section: c:\dos\pcmss.exe /s0=2 c:\dos\pcmcs.exe c:\dos\pcmscd.exe /com=2 Also, include other parameters on pcmscd if you have other devices beside a modem. And obviously, use the right directory. > The number I have for AT&T Paradyme is 800-237-0016. I couldn't find it on > anything that was sent with the modem either, including the reg. card, > which I had not yet mailed. I called their engineers once and found it most useful (though it was a long distance call). I'll look up the number on my phone bill and try to find the engineer I spoke with (who told me that the drivers for OS/2 should be out around Dec. and said he'd call me, but I've been away from the number I gave him). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 5 08:14:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06334 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 08:14:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA15690; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:12:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:12:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA15683; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:12:15 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 9365; Wed, 05 Jan 94 09:12:05 EST Received: from YKTVMH by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 6758; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:11:53 EST Received: from ganga.watson.ibm.com by yktvmh.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 05 Jan 94 09:11:52 EST Received: by ganga.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA17483; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:12:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:12:02 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9401051412.AA17483@ganga.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: new owner Status: OR Greetings, I am new to the list!! I just got my 750C last week. Since I work for IBM, I was lucky to get my machine through employee sales. However, these machines are scarce, even inside IBM. I am a very popular guy these days. I am running the most basic of machines, with 4MB RAM, 170MB disk, DOS, and Windows. I have noticed that the machine will crash occasionally, particularly when running windows. I suspect it's because it's running out of memory. Has anybody else had similar problems? The biggest app I have installed is Corel. It looks quite nice on the color screen. I will probably buy a PCMCIA modem sometime soon. Does anybody have any experience with these? Which ones should I seek/avoid? --andy From cyliax@cs.indiana.edu Wed Jan 5 08:24:01 1994 Received: from jaws.cs.indiana.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06902 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 08:24:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199401051424.AA06902@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Received: from localhost by jaws.cs.indiana.edu (5.65c/9.4jsm) id AA23596; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:24:13 -0500 To: Sean Chou Subject: Re: UNIX-es on IBM TP750? In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 04 Jan 1994 02:46:00 -0600. <199401040846.AA11970@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 1994 09:24:12 -0500 From: Ingo Cyliax Status: OR + The TP750 uses the Western Digital video chip. I can find out more + info on it. I'll foward you message to my mailing list group and + hopefully more answers will generate. I'll report back to you on + the progress. Xfree doesn't run on the LCD version of the Western Digital chip (wd90c2?) yet, if that's what they are using. At least the auto probe couldn't determine the chip type. + Come to think of it, would you like to join the mailing list? We + could really use a technical person like you. We have quite a few + users trying to get Linux to run. Keith Moore has done quite a hack + job to Linux and apparently has it running. What mailing list is this ? I'm not much of a Linux user, i.e. most of my backgroound is BSD derived Unixes, but I'm interested in Unix on notebooks (not necessarily Intel compat.) in general. + > We may get sign a non-disclosure agreement with Xircom to write a + > PCMCIA driver, unfortunately, we would only be able to release the + > object for it, not the sources. I would prefer to do the D-Link card, + > since we can give away the sources for it. + Hey, better something than nothing! :) True. If it were up to me, I would like to support "Open" hardware rather than hardware that you have to sign non-disclosure agreements to find out how to program it. + You're gonna be delighted to hear then that OS/2 does have all that + you look for. TCP/IP and the X-Window client (and maybe the X-Window + server) are all available for OS/2 via IBM. GNU has two different + compilers out for OS/2 available via FTP from ftp-os2.cdrom.com. I may have to look into it then. Thanks for the info.. See ya, -ingo From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 5 09:55:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14110 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:55:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA22282; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 10:50:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 10:50:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA22263; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 10:50:39 -0500 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA23436; Wed, 5 Jan 94 10:53:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 94 10:53:22 -0500 From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9401051553.AA23436@oz.plymouth.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Slot in Dock I problem Status: OR Has anyone with the Dock I been able to get it to recognize an 8-bit board? If so, what are your jumper & dip switch settings in the Dock I? Microsoft diagnostics show no device installed at any of the IRQ's I try to set the board at, yet the board works just fine in an IBM 35sx. Thanks in advance. --Joel Goldfield From ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Jan 5 10:10:27 1994 Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15772 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 10:10:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id LAA07663 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 11:10:30 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 11:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix8.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 11:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix8.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 11:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix8.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix8.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 11:09:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4h_iMnu00WB9M5Gkoa@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 11:09:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Thinkpad 750 Mailing List Status: OR I'd like to be added to the mailing list.. Andrew Houghton (ah0i@andrew.cmu.edu) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 5 11:47:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29066 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 11:46:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA00344; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:40:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:40:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA00326; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:40:07 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29215; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:39:04 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <34852.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750 Audio drivers Status: OR Seems the Audio Drivers 1.1 have disappeared off the ftp site because IBM's license prohibits placing it on electronic networks. Never mind it's available for free from the IBM NCS BBS and CompuServe, and there's no way anybody without a TP750 could use it, and if you have a TP750 you have a legal right to use it. Anyone know somebody at IBM we can talk to about the idiocy of this policy? At the very least, could get get the drivers put on software.watson.ibm.com? Or maybe they're already there, I haven't checked... Btw, I haven't gotten the drivers in the mail like I was supposed to and it's been over a month since they were released. I'd be pulling my hair out right now if I hadn't gotten it electronically. Has anyone gotten it through the mail yet? -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 5 11:47:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29075 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 11:46:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA00289; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:39:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:39:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA00281; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:39:43 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29209; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:38:41 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <34826.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: UNIX-es on IBM TP750? (fwd) Status: OR In message Wed, 5 Jan 1994 02:53:49 -0600 (CST), Sean Chou writes: >> Here's one for your FAQ Sean. The TP750 uses the Western Digital 90C24 > > Got it! Speaking of which...EVERYONE, if you don't want information that > you give out to be snatched and used in my FAQ, please let me know by > private email or include it in your letter. Of course, credit will be > given to everyone on the list (since it'll probably be too hard to sort > through who gave what information), unless anyone has objections. Well, if you're going to be sticking names in this FAQ, give credit where credit is due: >>>Do you also have any information on the video chipset used? BTW, can >> >>It is the WD 90C24(?), a.k.a. the 'Rocket' chipset. > >Why do you call it that? > I found out that is what WD (Western Digital) calls it. It has accelerated graphics (including BitBLT) and a local bus interface which in the case of the 486SL would be the PI bus. Some performance that came out recently in PC Week are (higher is better & note the video numbers) ThinkPad ThinkPad AST PowerExec NEC UltraLite 750C 720C 4/25 ColorPlus Versa 25C -------- -------- -------------- ------------- Processor 7,400 6,543 5,957 6,167 RAM 5,322 4,019 4,189 4,238 Video 3,833 4,068 4,192 3,890 Disk 32.5 27.4 29.7 22.3 DOSMark 29.27 24.56 25.17 21.60 Graphic WinMarks 9.19 5.39 3.55 4.40 Disk WinMarks 28,690 25,130 21,934 20,317 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Doug Haigh dhaigh@vnet.ibm.com RTP Mobile Products (ThinkPad 350) Development USIB4JVR@IBMMAIL RTP, NC -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 5 12:01:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02031 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:01:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA01371; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:52:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:52:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA01364; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 12:52:20 -0500 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA02376; Wed, 5 Jan 94 12:54:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 94 12:54:58 -0500 From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9401051754.AA02376@oz.plymouth.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 750 audio drivers Status: OR Try the BBS at 919-517-0001. Maybe you need a750v100.dsk (self-extracting). Look around for other useful programs.... Regards, Joel Goldfield Plymouth State College From cds@ssds.com Wed Jan 5 17:09:44 1994 Received: from ssds.com (sjc.127.134.IN-ADDR.ARPA) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27829 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 17:09:38 -0600 Received: from localhost.ssds.com by ssds.com (4.1/SMI-SSDSnet-4.1) id AA08098; Wed, 5 Jan 94 15:13:38 PST To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: TP750 mailing list Date: Wed, 05 Jan 1994 15:13:33 -0800 Message-Id: <8097.757811613@ssds.com> From: Chris Swanson Status: OR Please add me to the list. Thank's, -+Chris From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 5 19:41:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13870 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 19:41:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA04734; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 20:34:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 20:34:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nash.pubnix.qc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA04727; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 20:34:21 -0500 Received: by nash.pubnix.qc.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA26685; Wed, 5 Jan 94 20:34:06 -0500 From: torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca (Andre Laurendeau) Message-Id: <9401060134.AA26685@nash.pubnix.qc.ca> Subject: New member To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (750 list) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 20:34:05 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1675 Status: OR Well ... Another new member !!! I hope this list will enable us to get the best out of our thinkpads !!! Me : A lawyer and a computer consultant for lawyers from french-speaking Canada (Montreal, Quebec). I'll tell this only ounce: If my messages upset you, like if I use ill expressions that can be interpreted as an insult, put it on my innexperience in english. If I want to insult you, I'll tell you ..... It : A Thinkpad 750 mono (Sniff !!!) with a 170Mb hard disk 12Mb of ram (With a third party ram card) A Megahertz XJ-1144 PCMCIA modem A Xircom CE-10BC ethernet PCMCIA card (That doesn't work right now) All under OS/2 2.1 ... I owned a Thinkpad 700 mono for a year, and stop owning it on december 6 1993 when someone else decide to take it from my office, without my consent. I'm sure he sold it on the street for less than $500.00 with my cellular phone, modem and other options .... I got my 750 a couple of days later. And I love it !! I'm on compuserve and on both USA and CANADA IBM BBSes. I'll stop here for now. But I have plenty of questions, answers, problems ans solutions to submit to this list !!! Andre :========================================================: : Andre Laurendeau [] : : Lawyer [] Phone/Fax : : [] (514) 278-1664 : : JURISYS INC. [] : : 1030 Beaubien east, #201 [] Internet: : : Montreal, Canada, H2S 1T4 [] torbit@rot.qc.ca : :========================================================: From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 5 21:36:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23971 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 21:36:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA12411; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 22:32:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 22:32:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA12404; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 22:32:48 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA26730; Wed, 5 Jan 94 22:32:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 94 22:32:43 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401060332.AA26730@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP750 Audio drivers Status: OR I haven't got the audio drivers through the mail either, and I think that's pretty bad service by IM. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 02:41:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19813 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 02:41:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA01141; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 03:33:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 03:33:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA01134; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 03:33:55 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA19597 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 02:33:40 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401060833.AA19597@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Notices, FAQ, and Archive To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 02:33:39 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1316 Status: OR I have dug through my old mail and separated all mail associated with this list and made it into one big archive. I will continue to keep track off all messages that go through this mailing list. Right now, my biggest problem is a matter of distribution. I don't know where I could keep this archive as well as the FAQs. If anyone has an FTP site they would like to point out, that'd be great! As for the FAQs, they are coming along. I have separated them into two different documents now: one for general purposes and the other for compatibility info (hardware and software. They are both in the beginning stages of construction (with lots of missing info) bu if anyone has info they feel would be very appropriate to the FAQs, please send them to me via private email (seanchou@uiuc.edu). This includes any personal discoveries about your system as to what works and what doesn't, any particular tricks or tweaks, etc. All my info will be credited to the orignator (contrary to my first post) and kept as much as possible in the original form. And once again, if you haven't done so already, please send your introductions along with a description of your machine, OS, and peripherals. This serves to let us know we have the right address and lets me survey who has what and who's using what. Thanks! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 09:27:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17861 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 09:27:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA02737; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:23:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:23:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA02730; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:23:45 -0500 Received: from [130.235.41.20] (saturnus-10.efd.lth.se) by kobra.efd.lth.se with smtp (perl jhmail 0.20) (rfc1413: f91el@saturnus-10.efd.lth.se) id 2d2c2ceb_3f60_1 ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 16:23:24 MET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Thu, 06 Jan 1994 16:23:13 +0100 From: Erik Lindahl To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Me and my thinkpad :-) Status: OR Hi everybody, I got my 750 a week ago, so now I'm joining the list! I'm studying engineering physics; though it seems as if I am sliding over to medicine and biological research...=20 I have a 750C with 170/8, but I think I'll have to replace the ram-card fo= r something bigger. (btw, I saw in another post that someone talked about 3rd party ram; Is there anybody who could mail me / the list prices of (cheap..) cards with 8 MB or more in the US?) I'm running OS/2, but I do have some long-term plan of getting it to run with NeXTStep? Is there anyone who has tried or will try it?=20 If there are any other Swedish users on the list, please feel free to=20 write me a line!! Oh yes, one more item: I don't know if you are familiar with NeXTStep, but it seems it will only give you 2 bit grayscale on notebooks. It's got something to do with adressing and a linear video frame buffer,=20 something which can only be accomplished with localbus. The 2-bit driver, however is an emulation of this buffer. I can't be impossible to write a driver for 8-bit color emulation, can it?=20 The other way to go is if the WD90C24 chip is used in some=20 video cards on the market (local bus cards). Is it? If so, what card? See ya, Erik ----------------------------------------------------------- Erik Lindahl f91el@efd.lth.se Lund Institute of Technology, Lund, Sweden From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 10:01:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21676 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:00:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA04893; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:55:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:55:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ultb.isc.rit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA04876; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:55:06 -0500 Received: by ultb.isc.rit.edu (5.65/Config (11/03/93) (Postmaster DPMSYS)); id AA06784; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:55:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:55:05 -0500 From: rla5175@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.L. Alfvin ) Message-Id: <9401061555.AA06784@ultb.isc.rit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New to the list! Status: OR Hello All, I work with the Munsell Color Science Laboratory at Rochester Institute of Technology in New York, and am in the process of purchasing a laptop for the lab. I've decided on the TP750C w/170 meg HD. It would be VERY helpful if anyone had info regarding source, availability, and price. I need to find one ASAP. Thanks for your help. I look forward to your responses. Lost in the snow, Rick Alfvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 10:07:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22558 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:07:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA05191; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 11:00:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:59:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA05184; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:59:57 -0500 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA08815; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:02:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:02:41 -0500 From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9401061602.AA08815@oz.plymouth.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Dock I users? Status: OR Who, on this list, is using the Dock I with DOS or DOS/Windows? Has anyone managed to get an ISA board to work with it? Thanks in advance, Joel Goldfield Joel.Goldfield@Plymouth.edu From cdsorens@mtu.edu Thu Jan 6 11:57:33 1994 Received: from mtu.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08163 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 11:57:32 -0600 Received: from pace1.cts.mtu.edu by mtu.edu with SMTP id AA12085 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 12:57:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 12:57:43 -0500 From: Christopher Sorensen Message-Id: <199401061757.AA12085@mtu.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP750 Sound Status: OR Well, I have a TP750 Mono, 4 Megs of RAM, 170MB HD... I bought a carry case, extra battery, and a quick charger. I didnt get the color model because I would rather have longevity in battery life than color. However, as time goes on I am starting to crave color! (I paid just about the same amount for this mono with all the options as I would have for a color model!) Oh, I also have a X-Jack PCMCIA 14.4k Fax/Modem... In IBM's literature they claim that the mono is upgradable to color, do you know if this is a simple upgrade that could be done by the user? Or at least fairly simple? If it were rather easy to change between the mono and color display, I could find that usefull! Talk to you later. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 14:17:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03305 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 14:16:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA25017; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:12:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:12:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nash.pubnix.qc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA25008; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:11:57 -0500 Received: by nash.pubnix.qc.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA09611; Thu, 6 Jan 94 15:11:46 -0500 From: torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca (Andre Laurendeau) Message-Id: <9401062011.AA09611@nash.pubnix.qc.ca> Subject: Ram To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (750 list) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:11:45 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 800 Status: OR Hi, To whom asked me for the provenance and the cost of my 8Mb ram card, I bought it here in Montreal (G.B. Micro Electronics), and it costed me $546 CAN (about $410 US). It came in a box, on wich the company name was. I can't find it though ... If I find it I'll post the details on this list... :========================================================: : Andre Laurendeau [] : : Lawyer [] Phone/Fax : : [] (514) 278-1664 : : JURISYS INC. [] : : 1030 Beaubien east, #201 [] Internet: : : Montreal, Canada, H2S 1T4 [] torbit@rot.qc.ca : :========================================================: From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 14:37:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07429 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 14:37:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA26398; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:29:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:29:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA26389; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:29:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (wilson@localhost) by rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA08615; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:28:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:28:57 -0500 From: Wilson Chan Message-Id: <199401062028.PAA08615@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Introduction.... Reply-To: wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Address: 545 Technology Square, Room 626, Cambridge, MA 02139 Status: OR Office Phone: (617) 253-6028 Fax: (617) 253-7359 Home Phone: (617) 621-0232 Hi! I just got my 750C on Monday! It has 4MB of RAM and 170MB of HD. I'm planning to write my thesis using FrameMaker 4.0. I'm currently looking for an 8MB memory card. IBM wants $905 for its IC DRAM (P/N 07G1421). MIT, in addition to that, sells another one with P/N 60G0378 for $505. The problem is that IBM has never heard of the latter one. Does anyone know where I can get 8MB for less than $500? --Wilson Chan From wilson@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU Thu Jan 6 14:37:50 1994 Received: from RIGEL.LCS.MIT.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07556 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 14:37:48 -0600 Received: from localhost (wilson@localhost) by rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA08626; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:38:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:38:00 -0500 From: Wilson Chan Message-Id: <199401062038.PAA08626@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: Sean Chou's message of Tue, 4 Jan 1994 03:20:01 -0600 (CST) <199401040920.AA14715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Mailing List for TP750 Users (fwd) Reply-To: wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Address: 545 Technology Square, Room 626, Cambridge, MA 02139 Status: OR Office Phone: (617) 253-6028 Fax: (617) 253-7359 Home Phone: (617) 621-0232 Hi! I tried to install the OS/2 video driver on my 4MB 750C and ran into trouble. It installed okay but then when I ran big programs (MineSweep) under Win-OS2, I got garbage lines on the screen. Oh, the version I have is OS2 for Windows. Do you need a patch or something from IBM? --wilson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 15:45:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19463 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:45:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA02273; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 16:39:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 16:39:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA02265; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 16:39:38 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13389 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:38:37 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA17178; Thu, 6 Jan 94 15:49:13 CST Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 15:49:13 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9401062149.AA17178@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca, owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Ram Status: OR -->Hi, --> -->To whom asked me for the provenance and the cost of my 8Mb ram card, I bought -->it here in Montreal (G.B. Micro Electronics), and it costed me $546 CAN -->(about $410 US). --> -->It came in a box, on wich the company name was. I can't find it though ... -->If I find it I'll post the details on this list... --> --> Do people know if the card for the 750 is the same as the card needed for the 700 models? If so, I know that they can be had for under $400. SW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 16:19:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26216 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 16:19:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05145; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:15:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:15:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from worldlink.worldlink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05126; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:15:19 -0500 Received: by worldlink.worldlink.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-Worldlink) id AA01222; Thu, 6 Jan 94 17:14:41 -0500 Message-Id: <2966975396.0.p00471@psilink.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 94 15:50:56 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "Robert J. Della Penna" Subject: PCMCIA & DOS Experiences X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.6 BETA-4) Status: OR I see that several of you use the ATT PCMCIA 14.4/14.4 FAXmodem coupled with the IBM supplied PCMCIA drivers. I have the Intel 14.4/14.4 unit which requires the use of the SystemSoft drivers. Using these drivers under MS-DOS v6.2 the most primary memory I get is 451k. Since I have another 750 on order, I am wondering whether to stay with the Intel PCMCIA or not. What have been the experiences/opinions of those with similar configurations? Thanks in advance. Robert From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 16:20:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26456 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 16:20:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05184; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:15:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:15:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05178; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:15:34 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id RAA08862; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:09:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199401062209.RAA08862@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca, owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Ram In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jan 1994 15:49:13 CST." <9401062149.AA17178@kentucky> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 1994 17:09:13 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Do people know if the card for the 750 is the same as the card needed > for the 700 models? > > If so, I know that they can be had for under $400. I had an IBM 8Mb RAM card in a 720, which I removed and installed in a 750. Worked fine. Don't know if this is true for all RAM cards. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 17:53:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10322 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:53:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA11454; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 18:48:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 18:48:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA11447; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 18:48:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199401062348.SAA11447@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Ram To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 15:46:00 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9401062149.AA17178@kentucky>; from "Stanley Wasserman" at Jan 6, 94 3:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Do people know if the card for the 750 is the same as the card needed > for the 700 models? The IBM TP 750, 720, 700, and CL57SX all use the same memory modules. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 20:03:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24274 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 20:03:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA19620; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 20:57:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 20:57:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA19613; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 20:57:39 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03716; Thu, 6 Jan 94 20:56:21 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA757918645 Thu, 06 Jan 94 20:57:25 EST Date: Thu, 06 Jan 94 20:57:25 EST Message-Id: <9400067579.AA757918645@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Introduction.... Status: OR greetings from the other lcs in town (jbormel@lcs.mgh.harvard.edu). I also just got my tp750c this week and am getting 8megs. I called several places yesterday with the following results: la trade ibm pn 07g1416 8 meg $449 page 684 computer shopper jan 94 usa electronics 1-800-332-8434 lifetime replacement warenty $509 h.co 1-800-726-2477 page 94 lifetime warr steve shriber 01/05/94 3:48 pm $469 ext 109 peter x145 ordered 01/05/94 5:30 pm met la trade price 449+lifetime war (caution-other letter today about 2 bad 750 mem cards from h.co) sw computers and electronics 1-800-874-1235 3:54 pm $495 computers for less 1-800-634-1415 $499 ------------------- these are uneditted notes from my pim. sorry if they are alittle cryptic. I have had notebook memory go bad after a year so the lifetime warrenty is a requirement for me. Both h.co & sw computers asked to beat the best deal I got. Hope this helps. -Joe ----original message----------------- Office Phone: (617) 253-6028 Fax: (617) 253-7359 Home Phone: (617) 621-0232 Hi! I just got my 750C on Monday! It has 4MB of RAM and 170MB of HD. I'm planning to write my thesis using FrameMaker 4.0. I'm currently looking for an 8MB memory card. IBM wants $905 for its IC DRAM (P/N 07G1421). MIT, in addition to that, sells another one with P/N 60G0378 for $505. The problem is that IBM has never heard of the latter one. Does anyone know where I can get 8MB for less than $500? --Wilson Chan From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 20:15:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25308 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 20:15:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA20455; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 21:10:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 21:10:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA20443; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 21:10:19 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA02103; Thu, 6 Jan 94 21:09:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 21:09:53 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401070209.AA02103@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Ram Status: OR I paid $1500 for a 16 meg board from Palace Computers in NYC. I don't even know who the manufacturer is, but it works fine, no problems at all. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 6 20:16:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25419 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 20:16:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA20596; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 21:11:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 21:11:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA20589; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 21:11:54 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA02176; Thu, 6 Jan 94 21:11:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 21:11:47 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401070211.AA02176@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu, torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Ram Status: OR I do know the cards for the 720 are the same as the cards for the 750, because for a while I was using the 8meg card from my 720 in my 750 (actually 720C and 750C) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 02:16:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28724 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 02:15:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA12701; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 03:09:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 03:09:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LINUS.ABO.FI by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA12693; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 03:09:56 -0500 Received: from stork (stork.abo.fi) by finabo.abo.fi (PMDF V4.2-11 #3309) id <01H7EBDFZPAOBEU5BE@finabo.abo.fi>; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 10:08:12 EET Date: Fri, 07 Jan 1994 10:08:12 +0200 (EET) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by finabo.abo.fi From: akilpinen@finabo.abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen) Subject: Me, my TP and our problems To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01H7EBDG8T82BEU5BE@finabo.abo.fi> X-Envelope-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: akilpinen@finabo.abo.fi Status: OR Hello, I recently persuated my wife to buy a TP750 for herself. I'm planning to buy anotherone for myself really soon. We both are PhDs in chemical engineering. She does some heavy computations on a mainframe and processes the results on the TP. Our current configuration is : TP750 mono, 12M ram 340M HD, Port replicator w PCMCIA slots PCMCIA ethernet adapter (IBM) External display 1024x768, keyboard and mouse attached to the Port replicator. Problems: 1.) I have to manually continue from where autoexec.bat ended since I do not know how to detect if the TP is connected to the Port replicator and ethernet or not. The networkin software will hang the machine if there is no PCMCIA card present. Dependent on the presence of the ethernet I would like to start different versions of config.sys, autoexec.bat and .ini files that contain information to the networking sofware. Any Ideas? 2) The IBM provided ethernet card adapter NDIS driver inteferes with the display so that when loaded in config.sys, the windows display (external) get annoying horizontal lines that are slowly moving and flickering. Inconvenience: I had anticipated that one could continue working with the applications at home without rebooting the machine when pulling it from the Port Replicator. Antti Kilpinen, PhD Research Fellow Institute for Advanced Management Systems Research Abo Akademi University FINLAND From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 03:48:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03103 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 03:47:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA19501; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 04:45:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 04:44:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA19494; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 04:44:58 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA03001 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 03:44:43 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401070944.AA03001@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: RAM cards To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 03:44:42 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 263 Status: OR > la trade ibm pn 07g1416 8 meg $449 page 684 computer shopper jan 94 > > Avoid this one if possible. This is the place where I got my EXP > card (I had two that didn't work). They were, however, quite nice > and punctual in refunding my money. > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 06:34:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19522 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 06:34:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA05238; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 07:30:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 07:30:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nef.ens.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA05219; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 07:30:48 -0500 From: Received: from anis.ens.fr by nef.ens.fr (5.65c8/ULM-1.0) Id AA10841 ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 13:30:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 13:30:44 +0100 Message-Id: <9401071230.AA08724@anis.ens.fr> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP and NextStep Status: OR Hi, I'm planning to buy shortly a portable to use with Linux or NextStep as the main operating system. This would require >= 8Meg >=200 disk, and of course some ethernet connectivity. I wonder if any of you has had any experience with similar configurations. Thanx! --- Roberto Di Cosmo LIENS Ecole Normale Superieure 45, Rue d'Ulm 75005 Paris FRANCE From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 06:51:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19813 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 06:51:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA06124; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 07:47:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 07:47:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA06117; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 07:47:07 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA05475; Fri, 7 Jan 94 07:46:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 07:46:46 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401071246.AA05475@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: akilpinen@finabo.abo.fi, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Me, my TP and our problems Status: OR One very nice feature on the NEC SL25C (my first active matrix color machine a while ago) was that it had two sets of AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS files, and automatically chose one or the other depending on whether it was plugged into the docking station or not. I guess in the absense of something automatic like this, you can always deal with the autoexec problem by having a questoin to be answered with a single keystroke, but the config.sys problem is much trickier. Of course with DOS you could use a diskette to boot one of the two confiurations and the hard disk to boot the other. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 10:37:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06442 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 10:37:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA22886; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 11:31:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 11:31:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from thud.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA22861; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 11:31:33 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by thud.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (5.61+IDA+UTK-930922/2.7c-UTK) id AA17402; Fri, 7 Jan 94 11:31:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9401071631.AA17402@thud.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Roberto.Dicosmo@ens.fr Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP and NextStep In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jan 1994 13:30:44 +0100." <9401071230.AA08724@anis.ens.fr> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 1994 11:31:17 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > I wonder if any of you has had any experience with similar configurations. I've been trying to get my TP750 to work with Linux. Certainly you can't boot Linux up on it without first making some changes to it's code to determine disk geometry and maybe keyboard handling code. THen there are problems with reading the floppy drive...since it's a 2.88 Mb drive with a different controller chip. Linux has code for this chip, but it's #ifdef'ed out and doesn't work yet. I do have Linux running on my TP after several days of work, but it still won't talk to the floppy...to get things on or off of the system I have to boot DOS and copy things between the DOS partition and DOS floppies. Am working on various problems...curently writing an Ethernet driver for a PCMCIA card. Will post here when I get more things working. Keith Moore From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 14:03:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12419 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:03:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA10995; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:57:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:56:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA10987; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:56:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (wilson@localhost) by rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU (8.6.4/8.6.4) id OAA09304; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:56:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:56:46 -0500 From: Wilson Chan Message-Id: <199401071956.OAA09304@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu's message of Thu, 06 Jan 94 20:57:25 EST <9400067579.AA757918645@warren.med.harvard.edu> Subject: Introduction.... Reply-To: wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Address: 545 Technology Square, Room 626, Cambridge, MA 02139 Status: OR Office Phone: (617) 253-6028 Fax: (617) 253-7359 Home Phone: (617) 621-0232 Hello! I found another place that sells 8Meg for $402. The name is First Source International. It comes with a 30-day money-back guarantee and lifetime warranty. Apparently it's the same module as the 720's. It seems like that place is a back-room operation for a few companies. They asked me what phone number I called to reach them and what the price was in the magazine. Try telling him something like $389 and see if he buys it. --wilson P.S. shipping is next day for $5 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 14:15:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15189 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:15:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11882; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:10:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:10:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11869; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:10:06 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02990 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:09:17 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA22035; Fri, 7 Jan 94 14:20:04 CST Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 14:20:04 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9401072020.AA22035@kentucky> To: jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu, wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Introduction.... Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR --> -->Hello! I found another place that sells 8Meg for $402. The name is -->First Source International. It comes with a 30-day money-back guarantee -->and lifetime warranty. Apparently it's the same module as the 720's. -->It seems like that place is a back-room operation for a few companies. -->They asked me what phone number I called to reach them and what the -->price was in the magazine. Try telling him something like $389 and see -->if he buys it. --> -->--wilson --> -->P.S. shipping is next day for $5 --> I bought a 8Meg RAM card from them in July --- it is just fine. No problems. I think I spent $390. SW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 14:40:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20428 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:40:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA13666; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:33:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:33:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA13658; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:33:11 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA09177; Fri, 7 Jan 94 15:33:02 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19120; Fri, 7 Jan 94 12:25:52 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA13764; Fri, 7 Jan 94 12:32:31 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03689; Fri, 7 Jan 94 12:31:58 PST Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 12:31:58 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9401072031.AA03689@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Introduction and a question Status: OR Hi folks, I just joined the group yesterday so I guess the obligatory introduction is in order. My name is Bruce Reed and I'm a ThinkPad 750c wannabe owner. Actually, I've ordered the unit, but it looks like it will be another month before it arrives. In the meantime I hope to learn a lot from the this group about the capabilities and problems of the 750. In addition, you all seem to have great pointers on where to find peripherals at the best prices. And why I'm on that subject. . .I've seen the thread concerning prices for 8 Mb RAM expansions, but what about 16 Mb cards? I've seen a couple of these priced a little over a thousand bucks (!) and I was wondering if anyone has purchased one for a reasonable price, like $700-$800. Let me know if you have. A little more background. . .I'm moving up to the 750c after purchasing and returning a Gateway 2000 Colorbook DX33. The system had a few problems and it just wasn't cutting the mustard. The SystemSoft BIOS was labeled V 1.00 and this was evident in the flaky behavior of the power management. The trackball was not working properly and in general, too small to be useful (especially for games!) The DualScan color was suprisingly bright and crisp, but like all passive matrix, the video just couldn't keep up when scrolling text or playing games. (Though this could just be a problem with the Gateway box since recent reviews panned their video and benchmarks were clocking an order of magnitude lower than other comparable units.) Still, if they could fix the power management problems I would recommend the system to other users. The price was great (a few K less than the TP 750) and they give you a lot for the money. I guess it just wasn't the right unit for my needs. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 14:45:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21359 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:45:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA14211; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:40:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:40:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA14198; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:40:41 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05970; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 12:39:37 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 12:41:18 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <45679.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Introduction.... Status: OR In message Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:56:46 -0500, Wilson Chan writes: > Hello! I found another place that sells 8Meg for $402. The name is > First Source International. It comes with a 30-day money-back guarantee > and lifetime warranty. Apparently it's the same module as the 720's. > It seems like that place is a back-room operation for a few companies. > They asked me what phone number I called to reach them and what the > price was in the magazine. Try telling him something like $389 and see > if he buys it. That's the place I got my 8MB module from. The first time I called (to check the price) they said $409. The second time I called (to verify the price) they said $395. The third time I called (to place the order) they said $387, +$5 S&H +$2 insurance. So I know you can get it for at least $387. Phone number is 800-217-9866 and they're in Aliso Viejo, right next to Laguna Beach down here in Southern California. I had to pay sales tax but I figured if I had any problems, I could drive down there and yell at them until the resolved the problems. The module is manufactured by a company called Paragon Memory Corporation. Anybody heard of them? In case you missed my message yesterday, the TP700, 720, 750, and CL57SX all use the same memory modules. I've seen some places advertise lower prices for CL57SX memory than for the TP7?0 memory so be careful. Now that we have this many people on the mailing list, and many of you seem to have memory expansions, how about some battery life benchmarks? I'm really curious if I sacrificed battery life by buying cheaper memory. Before the 8MB Paragon expansion, my TP750 mono 170MB HD got 5.25 hours w/o power management and lived about a week in suspend mode (lost about 10-15% battery charge per day). After I added the expansion, it got 3.8 hours w/o power management and lives about 2 days in suspend mode (loses about 45% charge per day). Can anybody with any other memory expansion, especially the IBM 8MB, give a comparison? We should be able to add this to the FAQ as "what's the best memory" and "what's the cheapest memory." Oh, I'm reasonably happy with the memory. I'd like to still have 4+ hours battery life but 3.8 is close enough (just doesn't have the impact of "yeah, I get over 4 hours on the battery." :) The main reason I bought from First Source was their price, their 30-day money back guarantee, and they told me they don't have a restocking fee so long as its still in new condition. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 15:34:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03187 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:34:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17812; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:28:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:28:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17803; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:28:34 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07640; Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:27:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:27:05 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401072127.AA07640@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bruce@objy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Introduction and a question Status: OR When Bruce says that he would find $700 "reasonable" for a 16 meg card, he is using the $50/meg price that we tend to have in mind for volume commodity memory. THe trouble is that 16 meg credit cards are pushing the top end of what is available, and you always tend to pay more (just like 32 meg SIMS cost more than four times 8 meg SIMS). I paid $1500 for a 16 meg board about four months ago, and I thought that "reasonable" at the time (I remember paying several hundred dollars for a 1 meg credit card for my Poqet a few years ago :-) Anyway, it certainly is the case that prices for these cards will come down as time goes on, and they reposition themselves in the mainstream of commodity memory (then we will be complaining about the price of 32 meg and 64 meg cards, and wondering if they will work in a TP750 -- I still haven't got the answer to this yet!) So I guess a useful general service in this mailing group is if someone would post memory prices (and accessory prices in general) every now and then (for instance, I am sure the mono 750 owners will be interested in watching for the price of the 750C upgrade to come down!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 15:35:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03228 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:34:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17828; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:28:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:28:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17819; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:28:42 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07651; Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:28:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:28:35 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401072128.AA07651@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Introduction.... Status: OR "I know you can get it for at least $387" of course you meant "at most" (well I guess it depends on which way up you look at things :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 15:35:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03310 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:35:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17849; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:29:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:29:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17836; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:29:09 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07661; Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:29:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:29:06 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401072129.AA07661@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Introduction.... Status: OR anyone find a reasonable source of 2.88 megabyte diskettes yet? From wilson@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU Fri Jan 7 16:21:08 1994 Received: from RIGEL.LCS.MIT.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13469 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:21:07 -0600 Received: from localhost (wilson@localhost) by rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA09497; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 17:21:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 17:21:19 -0500 From: Wilson Chan Message-Id: <199401072221.RAA09497@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: Sean Chou's message of Fri, 7 Jan 1994 03:34:14 -0600 (CST) <199401070934.AA02679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Mailing List for TP750 Users (fwd) Reply-To: wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Address: 545 Technology Square, Room 626, Cambridge, MA 02139 Status: OR Office Phone: (617) 253-6028 Fax: (617) 253-7359 Home Phone: (617) 621-0232 Thanks. Your suggestion works! I also got the 21wpsf.zip patch from ftp.cdrom.com to fix a couple things. Thanks again! --wilson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 16:31:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15772 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:31:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA21943; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 17:25:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 17:25:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA21923; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 17:25:13 -0500 Received: from cayley.uwaterloo.ca by undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca id <56916-3>; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 17:25:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 17:19:11 -0500 From: "Ian R. Hosein (GUS)" Subject: Introduction and all of that. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello. I am just a thinkpad 750 fan and wanabee owner. The price here in Canada is still somewhat outrageous, but I am working on it. I am a student at the university of Waterloo, and the bookstore discount is still far from being desirable. I hope to one day own the 750, probably not the C. I intend on running UNIX, or Linux, or some Unix based OS in order to link up to the school's system using X-Windows. If anyone has any hints on getting X going on the ThinkPad, your help would be appreciated. For the moment, I have a 700C on loan from IBM, and it is still an impressive machine, despite the weight, and slight ineffiecencies. Mail you later. Ian R. Hosein University of Waterloo Faculty of Mathematics Waterloo, Canada ihosein@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never seem to find the time. Plans that either come to nought, or half a page of scribbled lines. Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way. The time has come, the song is over, thought I had something more to say... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 17:26:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25451 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 17:25:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA25721; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:22:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:22:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA25712; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:22:00 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA25632; Fri, 7 Jan 94 18:21:57 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19590; Fri, 7 Jan 94 15:14:46 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14418; Fri, 7 Jan 94 15:21:26 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13890; Fri, 7 Jan 94 15:20:53 PST Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 15:20:53 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9401072320.AA13890@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: multiple boot configurations Status: OR I already tossed the message about setting up multiple boot configurations that use independent CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files, so I can't reply to the author, but here is what I know. A friend of mine uses a package called quickboot that he swears by. He uses it to boot a variety of DOS configurations, using different forms of memory management and TSRs depending on the application he wants to run. I've seen it and it's menu driven and quite easy to use. I'll probably check it out myself should I purchase one of the TP docking options. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 17:42:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27446 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 17:42:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA26583; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:37:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:37:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA26576; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:37:44 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07918; Fri, 7 Jan 94 18:37:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 18:37:39 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401072337.AA07918@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bruce@objy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: multiple boot configurations Status: OR This list is getting so active that I wonder whether an ALt newsgroup wouldn't be more convenient, what do people think? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 18:29:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02670 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:29:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA28998; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:22:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:22:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA28991; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:22:51 -0500 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:22 PST Received: by amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.16) id ; Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:21 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:21 PST From: lenj@uts.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) To: bruce@objy.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: multiple boot configurations Status: OR I am in favor of the newsgroup. Len Jacobson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 18:30:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02781 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:30:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA29292; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:26:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:26:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA29285; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:26:47 -0500 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:26 PST Received: by amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.16) id ; Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:25 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 16:25 PST From: lenj@uts.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) To: bruce@objy.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: multiple boot configurations Status: OR I am in favor of the newsgroup approach. Len Jacobson > >This list is getting so active that I wonder whether an ALt newsgroup >wouldn't be more convenient, what do people think? > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 19:34:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07905 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:34:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA03416; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 20:29:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 20:29:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA03409; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 20:29:33 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA07328 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:29:19 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401080129.AA07328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: new owner To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:29:18 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9401071526.AA23623@ganga.watson.ibm.com> from "Andrew Stevens" at Jan 7, 94 10:26:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 640 Status: OR > Occasionally, it will crash during a Windows application and give the > error: EMM386 error #06, press return to reboot. Do you use PCMCIA cards? If so, have you excluded the appropriate regions (based on what PCMCIA drivers you use)? > I'm not sure what you mean about 32-bit disk access. How is this > enabled/disabled? 32-bit disk access is an option for Windows. It comes defaulting with it off so if you didn't turn it on, odds are it's not on, but you may want to check anyway. Look under the Control Panel, 386 Options, and then click to make a change to virtual memory. It's a little check box at the bottom of the window. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 19:49:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09171 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:49:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA04364; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 20:44:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 20:44:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA04358; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 20:44:51 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id UAA10207; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 20:38:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199401080138.UAA10207@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Cc: bruce@objy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: multiple boot configurations In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jan 1994 18:37:39 EST." <9401072337.AA07918@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 1994 20:38:29 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > This list is getting so active that I wonder whether an ALt newsgroup > wouldn't be more convenient, what do people think? I really don't think it's appropriate to set up a newsgroup until you have a few hundred readers. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 20:47:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14300 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 20:47:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA08078; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 21:43:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 21:43:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA08071; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 21:43:43 -0500 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA16785; Fri, 7 Jan 94 18:34:46 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA12428; Fri, 7 Jan 94 18:35:39 PST Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA07337; Fri, 7 Jan 94 18:36:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: ALT NEWSGROUP To: Keith Moore In-Reply-To: <9401072337.AA07918@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Fri, 7 Jan 1994, Robert Dewar wrote: > This list is getting so active that I wonder whether an ALt newsgroup > wouldn't be more convenient, what do people think? > That would be a great idea to have wider circulation and to manage so much activity. As a neophyte, the information has been quite interesting to me. However, I am not sure I liked hearing that I paid twice as much for memory even with the apparently minuscule "Thank you from ThinkPad" discount. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis Email: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Fri Jan 7 21:46:35 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19217 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 21:46:32 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA08946; Fri, 7 Jan 94 22:46:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 22:46:47 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401080346.AA08946@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Me, my TP and our problems Status: OR sure, but it was nice that this was automatic From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 7 21:52:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19688 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 21:52:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA11847; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 22:47:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 22:47:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA11840; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 22:47:53 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA08956; Fri, 7 Jan 94 22:47:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 22:47:46 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401080347.AA08956@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: multiple boot configurations Cc: bruce@objy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR OK, sounds reasonable (wait till we have a few hundred readers), let's keep track, and also make sure we advertise the existence of the mailing list in an appropriate place! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 8 05:48:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28448 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Jan 1994 05:48:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA17300; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 06:35:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 06:35:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nef.ens.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA17273; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 06:35:47 -0500 Received: from dmi.ens.fr by nef.ens.fr (5.65c8/ULM-1.0) Id AA20981 ; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 12:35:40 +0100 Received: from lys.ens.fr by dmi.ens.fr (5.65c8/ULM-1.0) id AA28085; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 12:35:37 +0100 From: Roberto DiCosmo Message-Id: <199401081135.AA28085@dmi.ens.fr> Subject: Re: Introduction and a question To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 12:35:35 MET Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9401072127.AA07640@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU>; from "Robert Dewar" at Jan 7, 94 4:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR WestCoast Micro: 16 Megs TP750 = 999$ in Byte Jan, page 290 --Roberto From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 8 10:01:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04799 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Jan 1994 10:01:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA02060; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 10:56:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 10:56:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA02053; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 10:56:52 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.1.031792-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA19255 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 94 10:40:45 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E15B48; Sat, 8 Jan 94 10:26:45 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Late Introduction From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.265186.700.0CE15B48@channel1.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 23:39:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Greetings.... As some of you might now, I have yet to get my hands on the 750c/340HD! It's on order, i expect (praying) it late January! Quick question to everyone! The 8meg Ram card (under $400.), everyone is talking about....is it compatible with the 750C? Who manufactures it, is it IBM, warranty, etc ? If possible, the phone number? Most important...anyone out there using it...any problems? I was considering purchasing a 4meg Ram card from IBM, but there asking around $400. and for the 8meg around $600. If I could get an (dependable and fully compatible) 8meg for less then $400. that would be FANTASTIC! Brief introduction: My name is Joseph Pereira, I'm 36 today. I'm an importer from Columbia. Since I'm always on the move, the TP750c is the way to go! A few other questions...i would like an opinion on the following, please! 1. Portable printer, bubble jet, ink jet....not familiar with them. I would like it to print in color, with the best possible output! 2. PCMCIA 2.0 Internal FAX/Modem with XJACK (Megahertz) $429. Anyone have any opinions on this particular modem, and how sturdy is the Xjack? Any suggestions on any other brands, and prices? I wish to thank in advance all who responds, very much appreciated!! Joseph Pereira From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 8 10:14:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05559 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Jan 1994 10:14:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA02701; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 11:10:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 11:10:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA02684; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 11:10:07 -0500 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27719; Sat, 8 Jan 94 11:12:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 11:12:53 -0500 From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9401081612.AA27719@oz.plymouth.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Dock I owners, stand up, please! Status: OR Will the Dock I owners in this list please stand up for us to take notice? How is this piece of equipment working for you? Regards, Joel Goldfield Plymouth State College From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 8 10:29:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06371 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Jan 1994 10:29:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA03531; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 11:24:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 11:24:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA03524; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 11:24:28 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14483; Sat, 8 Jan 94 11:24:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 11:24:29 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401081624.AA14483@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, joseph.pereira@channel1.com Subject: Re: Late Introduction Status: OR The Xjack is sturdy, but I do not know yet how to get it to work under OS/2 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 8 11:53:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13123 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Jan 1994 11:53:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA08187; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 12:47:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 12:47:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA08180; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 12:47:38 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id MAA11296; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 12:41:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199401081741.MAA11296@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Dock I owners, stand up, please! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 08 Jan 1994 11:12:53 EST." <9401081612.AA27719@oz.plymouth.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 1994 12:41:15 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR I haven't gotten mine to do anything useful yet. Part of the problem may be that I'm running Linux, but for example, the keyboard port in my Dock 1 doesn't seem to work. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 8 20:40:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03572 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Jan 1994 20:39:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA25303; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 21:34:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 21:34:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from oz.plymouth.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA25296; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 21:34:53 -0500 Received: by oz.plymouth.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA14564; Sat, 8 Jan 94 21:37:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 21:37:39 -0500 From: jdg@oz.plymouth.edu (Dr. Joel Goldfield) Message-Id: <9401090237.AA14564@oz.plymouth.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Dock I woes Status: OR I think there may be some undocumented IRQ or DMA conflicts in the Dock I. There may also be some other elusive communication conflicts where the ports & slot are involved. --Joel From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jan 9 00:09:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21171 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 9 Jan 1994 00:09:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA07532; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 01:06:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 01:06:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nash.pubnix.qc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA07525; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 01:06:22 -0500 Received: by nash.pubnix.qc.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA19320; Sun, 9 Jan 94 01:05:57 -0500 From: torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca (Andre Laurendeau) Message-Id: <9401090605.AA19320@nash.pubnix.qc.ca> Subject: Xjack and OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (750 list) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 01:05:54 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1327 Status: OR Well... Joseph -> The Megahertz XJ-1144 (the modem with the Xjack) is really great. It works fine and fast, and the Xjack is really easy to use. And it is sturdy ... BTW, Megahertz gives a 5 YEARS warranty on it's modems .... Robert -> I'm using the XJ-1144 on OS/2 while posting this message. What you need is : COM.SYS and VCOM.SYS dated 10-13-93 (Available on IBM BBS, and, if I remember well, on FTP.CDROM.COM as COMVCOM.ZIP) You can also use SIO in place of COM/VCOM (that's what I'm using. OS2.EXE from Megahertz BBS [ (801) 273-6649 ] or from it's compuserve forum. The information for installation is in a README file in the OS2.EXE file. And it works great !!! :========================================================: : Andre Laurendeau [] : : Lawyer [] Phone/Fax : : [] (514) 278-1664 : : JURISYS INC. [] : : 1030 Beaubien east, #201 [] Internet: : : Montreal, Canada, H2S 1T4 [] torbit@rot.qc.ca : :========================================================: From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jan 9 06:09:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19452 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 9 Jan 1994 06:09:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA04088; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 07:06:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 07:06:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA04081; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 07:06:08 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.1.031792-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA09483 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 94 06:50:43 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E15BA9; Sun, 9 Jan 94 06:24:53 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Bad Address From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.265589.700.0CE15BA9@channel1.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 16:59:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Subject: Bad Address >>-->Hello! I found another place that sells 8Meg for $402. The name is >>-->First Source International. It comes with a 30-day money-back guarantee >>-->and lifetime warranty. Apparently it's the same module as the 720's. >>-->It seems like that place is a back-room operation for a few companies. >>-->They asked me what phone number I called to reach them and what the >>-->price was in the magazine. Try telling him something like $389 and see >>-->if he buys it. >>--> >>-->--wilson >>--> >>-->P.S. shipping is next day for $5 >>--> >>I bought a 8Meg RAM card from them in July --- it is just fine. >> No problems. I think I spent $390. Hi... You know the manufacturer of the card and phone number you used...and is it compatible with the 750c? Thanks in advance!!! Joseph Pereira From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jan 9 16:51:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05771 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 9 Jan 1994 16:51:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA12871; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 17:38:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 17:38:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA12855; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 17:38:13 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22623; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:38:14 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:38:14 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401092238.AA22623@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Megahertz modem Status: OR OK, I finally got the MHz modem working with the latest drivers from MHz, but now I need to know if someone is using TE/2 with this modem and has the right setup files for the MHz modem. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 10 01:52:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13324 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 01:52:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA19256; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 02:47:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 02:47:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA19249; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 02:47:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199401100747.CAA19249@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Memory upgrades To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 9 Jan 94 23:47:54 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <40.265589.700.0CE15BA9@channel1.com>; from "Joseph Pereira" at Jan 8, 94 4:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > >>-->Hello! I found another place that sells 8Meg for $402. The name is > >>-->First Source International. It comes with a 30-day money-back guarantee > >>-->and lifetime warranty. Apparently it's the same module as the 720's. > >>-->It seems like that place is a back-room operation for a few companies. > >>-->They asked me what phone number I called to reach them and what the > >>-->price was in the magazine. Try telling him something like $389 and see > >>-->if he buys it. > > >>I bought a 8Meg RAM card from them in July --- it is just fine. > >> No problems. I think I spent $390. > > Hi... > You know the manufacturer of the card and phone number you used...and is > it compatible with the 750c? Thanks in advance!!! > Joseph Pereira Since it seems some people aren't getting the comments I've made on this: I bought my 8MB upgrade from First Source Int'l. It is manufactured by Paragon Memory Systems. I paid $387 + $5 S&H + $2 insurance (+sales tax for California). Their phone number is 800-217-9866. I'm reasonably happy with the memory. I suspect it may be sucking more power than the IBM memory but I haven't verified this, and I'm still getting near 4 hours on my TP750 mono w/ 170MB hard drive. It comes with a lifetime warranty, a 30-day money back guarantee, and they told me they have no restocking fee so long as I return it within the 30 days in new condition. I like the plastic case it came in too. It might come in useful for a PCMCIA card later on. The ThinkPad 750, 720, 700 and CL57SX all use the same memory modules. I've seen some places advertise lower prices for the last, or higher prices for the first so be careful. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 10 02:39:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15819 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 02:39:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA22128; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 03:34:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 03:34:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA22121; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 03:34:50 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12416; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 00:33:53 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 00:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <2138.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Xjack and OS/2 Status: OR Since nobody else has mentioned, the MegaHertz V.32bis PCMCIA modem emulates a 16450 UART, not a 16550AFN UART. A couple competitors have the 16550, namely, IBM, AT&T, and Practical Peripherals. The built-in serial port on the 750 only has a 16450 too, which I'm using with an external modem. It's not fun, although I'm beginning to suspect the OS/2 comm drivers are partly at fault (it works fine in some programs and at certain buad rates, but not others). What's a 16450/16550 UART? The UART is a buffer that holds data going to/ coming from your serial port. That way, the CPU doesn't get 14,400 interrupts each second if you're doing a 14.4kbps file transfer. The 16450 has an 8 bit buffer which was fine back in the 2400bps 80286 days, but tends to suffer overruns (bad packets in a file transfer) at 9600+bps, especially if you're multitasking. The 16550 has a 16-bit buffer that seems to work fine with 14.4kbps modems while multitasking. Megahertz says they're working on a model that emulates a 16550. On the matter of the serial port on the 750, is anybody else using it with an external 14.4kbps modem? I tend to lose characters when I use a 14.4kbps connection, but 9600 bps works fine. Then I happened to connect at 9600 bps while the processor speed was set to slow (18 MHz) and it still worked fine. That makes me suspect 14.4 should work fine at 33 MHz, but it doesn't. -- John H. Kim | "In fact, Chicago does support security. The sec- jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | urity APIs are there; they just don't do anything." This mail sent by NUPop | - Brad Silverber, VP Microsoft personal systems From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Jan 10 10:12:09 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00034 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 10:12:06 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA28336; Mon, 10 Jan 94 11:12:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 11:12:19 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401101612.AA28336@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Uploaded audio drivers to cdrom Status: OR By the way, where are the bass and treble controls? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 10 10:58:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10104 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 10:58:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA29906; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 11:48:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 11:48:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA29888; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 11:48:43 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25517; Mon, 10 Jan 94 11:47:27 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA758231203 Mon, 10 Jan 94 11:46:43 EST Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 11:46:43 EST Message-Id: <9400107582.AA758231203@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: bormel@husc4.harvard.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: new user configuration problems Status: OR I got by tp750c one week ago, 8 additional meg 3 days ago, OS/2 for windows yesterday, and found a few minor limitations I'd like feedback on. (I appreciate the dialog here, especially the memory experiences of late. I have RTFMs that appeared necessary.) 1. In DOS/6+WIN 3.1, I don't wake from hibernation with the trackpoint alive. Seems to be fine with standby + suspend. 2. I'd like to be able to 'absolutely' mute the speaker. Especially during system events like going into hibernation or coming out in public places. Is that possible? 3. TP750C 256 color drivers: Seem to work correctly in DOS/WIN31. OTOH, under OS/2, I don't get 256 colors in FULL SCREEN win31. Seemless win31 mode causes the screen to completely lose control. If I Alt/F4 to kill the windows program, the screen/desktop return to normal. I'm using the video disk that came with the tp750, installed as directed. I have chosen the sVGA mode at 72Hz with small fonts. (Incidentally, OS/2 for windows is neat, and, it has clearly changed the operation of windows under dos. The load takes longer and the fonts feel different. I haven't fully figured out what OS/2 does with truetype fonts. They seem to be there but dont't look as good. And, yes, they are installed, ATM is off, use TrueType is on.) 4. TP750C audio support under windows under os2 does not seem to be able to get access to the resource under either permutation in the WIN/settings. The OS/2 native sound (wav & midi) and video work great. I've played a bit with other config programs to fix it. I haven't resorted to INI editting. Any pointers are greatly appreciated including directed RTFM references. -Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 10 11:05:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11687 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 11:05:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA00638; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 11:56:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 11:56:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA00625; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 11:56:26 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA28407; Mon, 10 Jan 94 11:56:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 11:56:10 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401101656.AA28407@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bormel@husc4.harvard.edu, jbormel@warren.med Subject: Re: new user configuration problems Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR I have had success completely muting the speaker by turning off the speaker in the TP750 utility program. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 10 20:58:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03100 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 20:58:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA12707; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:54:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:54:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA12700; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:54:18 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA02242 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 20:54:03 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401110254.AA02242@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: new user configuration problems To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 20:54:02 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9400107582.AA758231203@warren.med.harvard.edu> from "jbormel@warren.med" at Jan 10, 94 11:46:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1951 Status: OR > 1. In DOS/6+WIN 3.1, I don't wake from hibernation with > the trackpoint alive. Seems to be fine with standby + suspend. Many people have found hibernation to be kind of flaky right now. I guess they need better drivers or something. I stick to suspend mode since a 750 (or 750C) can stay in suspend for quite some time. > 3. TP750C 256 color drivers: Seem to work correctly in DOS/WIN31. > OTOH, under OS/2, I don't get 256 colors in FULL SCREEN win31. Seemless > win31 mode causes the screen to completely lose control. If I Alt/F4 I have this covered in my FAQ; here's an excerpt: The TP750 video driver installation is the culprit. It's rather braindead and assumes that your Windows subsystem will be under the :\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2 directory. However, in the case of OS/2 for Windows, this often isn't the case. You can solve it in one of two ways. 1. Reinstall Windows in the :\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2 directory. But this is probably too much trouble for most people since you'll also have to change the directory of all the apps (and probably edit INIs) in Windows. 2. Create the :\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2 directory and a SYSTEM subdirectory under that. Copy your WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI to the WINOS2 directory. Then install the video drivers. After the installation, copy all the files installed in the WINOS2 and WINOS2\SYSTEM directories back to the appropriate real Windows directories (ie. C:\WINDOWS and C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM). You will probably overwrite some files but don't worry, this is the right thing to do. Now, you should check the SYSTEM.INI to make sure that the seamless drivers are loading properly (mine wasn't even there for some odd reason). Make sure you have a "sdisplay.drv=wspdssf.drv" (without the quotes) under the [boot] section. I'm not sure if this last part is necessary (would someone please let me know?). Also, is this clear? If not, please let me know and I'll clarify more. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 10 21:04:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03929 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:04:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA13009; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:57:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:57:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA13002; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:57:52 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA02888 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 20:57:38 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401110257.AA02888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: New comm program for OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 20:57:37 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 337 Status: OR I remember someone asking about comm programs for OS/2. I recommended LiveWire 2.1 to him. Well, I still do but I've also picked up a program called Zap-O-Com. It's in it's beta stages so it's still a little slow, but it seems nice enough, especially since it's the first thing I've seen to use a PM interface nicely. Check it out. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Jan 10 21:07:30 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04416 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:07:24 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA01772; Mon, 10 Jan 94 22:07:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 22:07:35 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401110307.AA01772@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: new user configuration problems Status: OR Regarding hibernation, if you have a lot of memory, hibernation is pretty slow, I find it comparable to shutdown/startup time for OS/2 (with 20 meg -- the shutdown is much faster, the startup slower, but between them it's pretty close), and besides, I don't really want to waste 20 megs of disk space! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 10 21:11:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05097 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:11:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA13528; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 22:07:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 22:07:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA13521; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 22:07:33 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA01772; Mon, 10 Jan 94 22:07:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 22:07:35 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401110307.AA01772@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: new user configuration problems Status: OR Regarding hibernation, if you have a lot of memory, hibernation is pretty slow, I find it comparable to shutdown/startup time for OS/2 (with 20 meg -- the shutdown is much faster, the startup slower, but between them it's pretty close), and besides, I don't really want to waste 20 megs of disk space! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 10 23:13:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25649 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 23:13:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA20992; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 00:08:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 00:08:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA20868; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 00:08:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199401110508.AAA20868@CS.UTK.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Hanson Riad Hosein Subject: Re: subscription request Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 22:38:16 EST Status: OR My name is Hanson, and I have a ThinkPad. It's a barebones 750 mono, with a 170 hard drive. I'm using PCDOS 6 (I would love to get OS/2 but I don't have the disk space nore the memory, and I can't afford either right now). Major applications include Wordperfect 6.0 for DOS, and Intel SatisFAXtion. My pride and joy, which I find especially useful for my year here at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism is my Intel 14,400 baud PCMCIA fax/modem. It was impossible to set up (you should see my config.sys and autoexec.bat files, this thing was not made for the 750), but it's well worth it. That's it for now. Look forward to corresponding. Hanson Hosein From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 11 03:23:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25174 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Jan 1994 03:23:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA06754; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 04:19:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 04:19:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA06747; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 04:19:30 -0500 Received: from etca.etca.fr (etca.fr) by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA11445; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 10:19:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from saturne.xcapt by etca.etca.fr, Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:21:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:21:16 +0100 From: Antoine de Maricourt Message-Id: <9401110921.AA06933@etca.etca.fr> Received: by saturne.xcapt (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27406; Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:18:28 +0100 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199401101714.MAA02060@CS.UTK.EDU> (tp750-request@cs.utk.edu) Subject: Subscription Status: OR Hello, my name is Antoine de Maricourt and I introduce myself as suggested. I have no Thinkpad 750, but I strongly consider buying one. I am from unix world (used to Sparc stations), and would like to have a machine where I could develop programs with similar conditions I am used to. It is important to me the machine be a portable one. My wishes are the following: + It would be very nice if the machine could run Unix (mostly linux) + It would be very nice if it could also run X + I don't like DOS, but I have no negative a priori against OS/2 + The most important requirement is that I can run GNU compiler and other related software (gmake, bison, rcs ...). In fact I don't care the OS, provided it has some usefull features (mainly good memory management, multi-tasking, good graphic interface). Unix would be great because I have some experience about it, about X, and about free software related to Unix. I consider buying a TP750 mono, 340 MB HD, 8 MB memory extension. I am interested in any experiment report about Unix on this machine, any advice and comments about my wishes, any info about OS/2, ... anything about the machine. Antoine. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 11 21:12:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11196 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Jan 1994 21:12:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA29319; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:06:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:06:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA29305; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:06:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA09720 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 11 Jan 1994 21:06:07 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401120306.AA09720@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: New comm program for OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 21:06:07 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199401111640.AA24310@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> from "Paul Braren" at Jan 11, 94 11:44:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 201 Status: OR > Where can I find Zap-O-Com? Check out ftp-os2.cdrom.com under new (it may have been moved to a 2_x/comm by now though). But, as it is a beta version, it's not perfect, but I feel it has potential. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 12 00:37:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23325 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Jan 1994 00:37:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA12219; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 01:30:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 01:30:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA12205; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 01:30:33 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA21930 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 12 Jan 1994 00:30:19 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401120630.AA21930@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Intro to TP750s To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 00:30:18 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1433 Status: OR > My wishes are the following: > > + It would be very nice if the machine could run Unix (mostly linux) > + It would be very nice if it could also run X Right now, there seems to be some problems getting Linux to work, although Keith Moore has hacked out many of the problems associated with Linux. He can probably tell you a lot more. It's still not a perfect translation yet, but it does work (no floppy access though). > + I don't like DOS, but I have no negative a priori against OS/2 As you would expect, OS/2 works great on a TP750. > + The most important requirement is that I can run GNU compiler and > other related software (gmake, bison, rcs ...). In fact I don't care > the OS, provided it has some usefull features (mainly good memory > management, multi-tasking, good graphic interface). Unix would be > great because I have some experience about it, about X, and about > free software related to Unix. Well, OS/2 has a GNU C/C++ compiler (two, as a matter of fact). It also has many UNIX-y and X-y programs to make you feel more at home. I believe nearly all the command-line utilities are available. Check out ftp-os2.cdrom.com for the biggest collection (I know of) of OS/2 programs. Hey, can someone tell me if I have a sig? I seemed to have lost it... Sean Chou (seanchou@uiuc.edu) BTW, this is not my normal sig; it's just a backup, in case I really don't have a sig. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 12 11:55:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02112 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Jan 1994 11:55:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03724; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 12:45:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 12:45:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from worldlink.worldlink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03712; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 12:45:47 -0500 Received: by worldlink.worldlink.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-Worldlink) id AA26158; Wed, 12 Jan 94 12:45:06 -0500 Message-Id: <2967476085.0.p00471@psilink.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 94 10:56:53 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "Robert J. Della Penna" Subject: TP750 Demo Request X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.6 BETA-4) Status: OR Help. In my haste to put 'real' software on my 750 I FDISKed the system before having saved the multimedia demo that IBM included with the system. Does anyone have a zipped copy they can mail to me? Thanks in advance. Robert From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 12 20:54:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08564 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Jan 1994 20:54:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA13191; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 21:48:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 21:48:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hstbme.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA13184; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 21:48:41 -0500 Received: by hstbme.mit.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA14886; Wed, 12 Jan 83 21:43:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 83 21:43:49 -0500 From: jbormel@hstbme.mit.edu (Joe Bormel) Message-Id: <8301130243.AA14886@hstbme.mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Trouble with OS/2 for windows->DOS/WIN Status: OR Every time I run OS/2 for windows, when I dual boot afterward in DOS, windows (in DOS) doesn't run. It hangs on the opening screen. No response to Control/Alt/Del. Doesn't work when I restore the windows directory tree to a post-install working system. The problem is reproducable. Anybody seen this problem and got a fix? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 13 02:20:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04653 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Jan 1994 02:20:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA02289; Thu, 13 Jan 1994 03:12:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Jan 1994 03:12:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA02281; Thu, 13 Jan 1994 03:12:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199401130812.DAA02281@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: TP750 Demo Request To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 0:12:34 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <2967476085.0.p00471@psilink.com>; from "Robert J. Della Penna" at Jan 12, 94 10:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Help. In my haste to put 'real' software on my 750 I FDISKed the > system before having saved the multimedia demo that IBM included with > the system. Does anyone have a zipped copy they can mail to me? Although I have a backup of it, it's a 20 MB demo. 8 3.5" HD diskettes compressed with arj. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 13 11:43:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09545 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Jan 1994 11:43:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA16009; Thu, 13 Jan 1994 12:28:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 13 Jan 1994 12:28:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA16000; Thu, 13 Jan 1994 12:28:01 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22218; Thu, 13 Jan 94 12:26:27 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA758492242 Thu, 13 Jan 94 12:17:22 EST Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 12:17:22 EST Message-Id: <9400137584.AA758492242@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: jbormel@hstbme.mit.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Trouble with fueldos TSR running windows Status: OR Every time I run OS/2 for windows, when I dual boot afterward in DOS, windows (in DOS) doesn't run. It hangs on the opening screen. No response to Control/Alt/Del. Doesn't work when I restore the windows directory tree to a post-install working system. The problem is reproducable. Anybody seen this problem and got a fix? Replying to my own question! I isolated it down to the DOS TSR \dos\Fueldos. Remove all non-essentials (and this program) and windows runs fine in DOS, put it back in and windows hangs the system (only in DOS, in OS/2, the same windows code runs fine). It appears that OS/2 puts the microprocessor on the battery pack into a state that interacts with the fuel tsr which is incompatible with windows loading. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 14 16:06:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22146 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Jan 1994 16:06:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA21362; Fri, 14 Jan 1994 16:52:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 14 Jan 1994 16:52:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA21351; Fri, 14 Jan 1994 16:52:40 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22034; Fri, 14 Jan 94 16:52:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 16:52:44 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401142152.AA22034@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Credit card ethernet adapter Status: OR Anyone have any experience installing IBM TCP/IP on a thinkpad using the IBM PCMCIA ethernet credit card adapter? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 15 23:13:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24111 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Jan 1994 23:13:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA17587; Sun, 16 Jan 1994 00:05:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 16 Jan 1994 00:05:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA17578; Sun, 16 Jan 1994 00:05:50 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10235; Sun, 16 Jan 94 00:04:31 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA758707414 Sun, 16 Jan 94 00:03:34 EST Date: Sun, 16 Jan 94 00:03:34 EST Message-Id: <9400167587.AA758707414@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Q: Cannot load IBM AUDIO Driver in WIN-OS2 ? Status: OR Help. I can't seem to get WIN-OS2 (actually OS/2 for windows) to load IBMMME.DRV. I get the message 'Cannot load IBM AUDIO Wave Midi Aux Driver Driver'. I've verified that there is one in my system in \windows\system, I'm running windows in std mode; the driver works great in DOS/Windows. Under OS/2, I get the error message 'No waveOUT devices available'. I've tried all three audio session settings. Are people able to do sound in win/os2? What's all this talk able new audio drivers? Is the tp750 FAQ released and if so, where is it? Thanks for your help. I've exhausted my ability to make sense of the manuals. From timn@scs.apana.org.au Sun Jan 16 02:22:09 1994 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17427 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Jan 1994 02:22:01 -0600 Received: from scs.apana.org.au by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA07077 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Jan 1994 19:22:08 +1100 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 94 01:55 From: timn@scs.apana.org.au (Tim Noonan) To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: I'd like to be addee to the mailing list for tp750 please Status: OR Could you please add me to the TP750 mailing list. I am planning to purchase one of these machines in a week or two but still have some uncertainties about it. Thanks. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 10:37:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14525 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 10:37:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA08774; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:13:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:13:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA08747; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:13:13 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 4321; Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:13:12 EST Received: from YKTVMH by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 7885; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:13:00 EST Received: from ganga.watson.ibm.com by yktvmh.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:12:59 EST Received: by ganga.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA27419; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:13:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:13:11 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9401191613.AA27419@ganga.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 750C battery life Status: OR Hi, I am wondering what kind of battery life people are getting on the 750C. When the machine was new, the battery icon would charge up to 3 hours, 20 minutes. Now, three weeks later, it goes to 2:50 or (if lucky) 3:00 on a fresh charge. Should I call the help line on this? Is this an FAQ? I generally (but not always) run the machine until it auto-shutdowns due to weak battery. I tried fully discharging the battery with the AC attached, but that didn't have any effect. Last week, I also measured the battery life with a clock. Although the icon initially read 3:10, I only got 2:50 before the thing shut down. I am not running any special hardware (no modem or memory card, etc.). What gives? --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 11:03:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25721 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:03:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11090; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:45:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:45:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11050; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:44:52 -0500 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Wed, 19 Jan 94 08:43 PST Received: by amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.16) id ; Wed, 19 Jan 94 08:42 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 08:42 PST From: lenj@uts.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) To: stevens@watson.ibm.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 750C battery life Status: OR Sounds as if we got our 750Cs on the same day! My experience matches yours, though I don't tend to run it down. I know that is not helping matters. I do have a modem. I have ordered an extra battery and the Quick Charger, though they were still backordered when I got the laptop. I have been trusting that the Quick Charger will improve matters. Len Jacobson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 11:10:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28418 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:10:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11521; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:50:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:50:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11508; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:50:29 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03367; Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:48:44 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759008968 Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:49:28 EST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:49:28 EST Message-Id: <9400197590.AA759008968@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Q; How do I change to sVGA 1024 x 768 in OS/2 for external Status: OR How to I go into 1024 x 768 in OS/2 on the TP 750? It works easily in DOS/Windows. I do have the driver installed, I'm getting 640x480x256 in OS/2, full & seemless WIN/OS2. Thanks again for the help with that. There is supposed to be a tab in the settings folder of 'system' in the 'system setup folder' where you change such things, but the only tabs I have are Confirmation, Title, Window, Print Screen, Logo, and General. There is no Screen tab. I've read chapter 27. Video Support in the os/2 package. When I type SVGA Status, I get: SVGA: PMI File Generator (v2.10) AdapterType: WESTERNDIGITAL, ChipType PVGA1D dspinstl doesn't seem to apply, although that perception may be my problem. Every time I find myself re-installing things I already have, something working usually breaks! If this is in the FAQ, and if the FAQ is available, just tell me where to ftp to. I'd love to stop asking these basic questions an get on with my work. -Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 11:10:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28569 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:10:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11507; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:50:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:50:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11487; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:50:20 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03370; Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:48:45 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759008972 Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:49:32 EST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:49:32 EST Message-Id: <9400197590.AA759008972@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem Status: OR If anyone is using audio support in WIN-OS/2, I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. If not, and your interested: I called IBM OS/2 support and IBM Personal Systems support yesterday, to find out if there is an audio driver to replace tpaudvxd.386 (a virtual device driver not compatible with WIN/OS2). I'm the proud recipient of several problem record numbers! No one seemed to understand the issue of virtual device driver incompatibility, or whether there is a non- virtualized driver available or coming. There is a TP750 MMPM/2 driver upgrade that is orderable but not shipping (according to the operator at the Order Center, yesterday). No one knew what problems it fixes. I tried looking on CI$ but realized I didn't know exactly what I was looking for. That cost me several minutes of connect time for nothing. Aimless searching of IBM ftp sites was unproductive but atleast it was free of connect costs to me. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 11:17:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01149 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:17:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11540; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:50:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:50:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11524; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:50:34 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03373; Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:48:47 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759008976 Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:49:36 EST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:49:36 EST Message-Id: <9400197590.AA759008976@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: System Error/Incorrect System Version/Run Windows Setup Status: OR I started getting the above error message when running DOS/Windows and trying to run a DOS box in any way. I can do this same operation in WIN31 under OS/2 and things work fine. (so this problem is mainly an inconvience right now). IBM said that there is an interaction between the video driver and the dual boot code that can cause problems like this. I've got a separate tracking number on this problem, and, allegedly, a video specialist is going to call me back. This seems odd because superficially, there isn't a video problem. It seems like a windows configuration problem caused by the schizophrenic existence of windows over DOS or OS/2, and the resultant overuse of configuration information in the INI files. Incidently, I've examined System.ini, win.ini, config.sys, autoexec, the setver system, the windows swap file, my disk free space, the windows % resources free, running in standard and enhanced modes, every contortion of the .pif files for the DOS box, the mem/c contents, and I've used my resident gurus and ibm support without figuring it out. Any ideas (short of re-installing windows or re-formatting my hard disk) are welcome. After a bit, I will re-install windows if all else fails. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 13:22:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22467 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 13:21:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA21946; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 13:55:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 13:55:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA21933; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 13:55:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199401191855.NAA21933@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Q; How do I change to sVGA 1024 x 768 in OS/2 for external To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 10:55:51 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9400197590.AA759008968@warren.med.harvard.edu>; from "jbormel@warren.med" at Jan 19, 94 11:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > How to I go into 1024 x 768 in OS/2 on the TP 750? Go into the System Settings folder (not the notebook) and start up Selective Install. When it gives you the choice of display types, if it's already SVGA, change it to VGA, then back to SVGA, then click OK. Don't select anything else for the install. It'll ask you to insert the video drivers that shipped with your TP750 and give you a choice of resolutions, among which 1024x768x256 will be a choice. You'll like it. The speed is very near that at 640x480 resolution. (Then again, I came from a 386/33 with an ET4000 so who knows) The procedure you're describing about selecting the resolution off a notebook is rumored to be in OS/2 2.2. > dspinstl doesn't seem to apply, although that perception may be Yes it does. (The above procedure will run dspinstl) > my problem. Every time I find myself re-installing things I already > have, something working usually breaks! If this is in the FAQ, and > if the FAQ is available, just tell me where to ftp to. I'd love > to stop asking these basic questions an get on with my work. I dunno, all dspinstl is supposed to do is replace your video drivers and a few fonts (so you don't go blind trying to read tiny letters at 1024x768. One thing I would like, that OS/2 2.2 might fix, is the ability to switch between the two resolutions without having to install it off floppy each time I change resolutions. That way I can run at 640x480 when I'm using the LCD, and when I manage to scrounge a monitor while on the road, I can bump up to 1024x768 without having to carry half the OS/2 install floppies with me on the road. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 13:27:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24667 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 13:26:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA22623; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 14:04:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 14:04:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA22606; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 14:04:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199401191904.OAA22606@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:04:22 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9400197590.AA759008972@warren.med.harvard.edu>; from "jbormel@warren.med" at Jan 19, 94 11:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > virtualized driver available or coming. There is a TP750 > MMPM/2 driver upgrade that is orderable but not shipping > (according to the operator at the Order Center, yesterday). > > No one knew what problems it fixes. I tried looking on CI$ > but realized I didn't know exactly what I was looking for. That > cost me several minutes of connect time for nothing. Aimless > searching of IBM ftp sites was unproductive but atleast it was free > of connect costs to me. Did they say a TP750 MMPM/2 driver, or driver upgrade? The audio drivers v1.0 didn't ship with MMPM/2 support. The upgrade (v1.1) did. Those of us who have it got it electronically - it hasn't shipped by mail yet even though it was supposed to back in November. If that's the driver you want it's on CompuServe and the IBM NSC BBS as 750AUD11.ZIP (might be .EXE). It's not on the ftp sites because the license says not to distribute it over electronic networks. I'm trying to get the right people at IBM to talk with each other to put it on software.watson.ibm.com. If they meant MMPM/2 upgrade (not upgrade with MMPM/2 support), that means there's a new version of the drivers shipping. Try checking on CompuServe or the NCS BBS for the filename 750AUD12.ZIP or something. And report back to us so we can all get a copy too. :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 16:12:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08908 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 16:12:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA06238; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 17:03:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 17:03:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA06202; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 17:03:32 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9401192203.AA27375@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Hi all To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 17:03:29 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 325 Status: OR Hi all! I have a 750C w/ 340/4 ...anybody get the soundblaster emulation running? When I try it out in dos, all I get is (from my programs..."sound hardware not found") what gives? I tried reinstalling the new audio drivers...but alas...nothing so far... hee hee...has anyone gotten it to run w/ any games? thanks From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 18:54:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05849 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 18:54:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA15188; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 19:34:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 19:34:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA15181; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 19:34:47 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAvzpa14846; Wed, 19 Jan 94 19:34:13 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22118; Wed, 19 Jan 94 10:04:29 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03714; Wed, 19 Jan 94 10:11:54 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10715; Wed, 19 Jan 94 10:11:39 PST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 10:11:39 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9401191811.AA10715@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 12 MByte upgrades Status: OR Is there such a thing as a 12 Mbyte memory expansion for the TP or is it only in 4, 8, and 16 Mbyte increments? --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 20:03:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26747 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 20:03:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA19637; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 20:48:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 20:48:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA19630; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 20:48:03 -0500 Received: from nitelog.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id RAA09899; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 17:31:05 -0800 Received: by nitelog (PCB-UUCP 1.1e) id D0377E; Wed, 19 Jan 94 06:05:29 -0800 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: :750m -vs- 350c ? use: programming, symbolic math From: al.miller@nitelog.com (Al Miller) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Jan 94 22:40:00 -0800 Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096 Status: OR The ThinkPad bug has hit me bad. I've got to get one, but I can't decide between a 750-mono or a 350-color machine. If I had the money, I'd "just" get a 750C, but that's not the case. Also, since I'm considering the 750M, I could really compare it to the 350M, but since the 350C is only "slightly" more expensive than the 350M, I'll consider them almost the same price (unlike the 750M - 750C price difference.) I know the 750CS can enter the equation too, but it isn't generally available yet, right? My primary application will be doing MS-Windows and OS/2 PM application development, so I know I need the bigger disk drives (250Mb on the 350 and 340Mb on the 750.) As far as main memory, I can probably get by with the 4mb basic memory plus an 8mb SIMM or IC Dram. My "fun" accessory would be a good pocket or PCMCIA modem. I've been using a friends TP-750C for several nights, and I realize that my modeming has been done with the laptop plugged into AC power. For me, having a PCMCIA modem would be "sexy" but not essential, since if I really went traveling with the laptop I'd be packing the AC-adapter and an extra battery anyway. One thing I don't think I could live with, is the external diskette drive that subnotebooks, like Toshiba's ct3400 has. There's just too much exchanging of diskettes at school. So, what this comes to, is what its like to use MS-Windows or OS/2 PM on a mono LCD display. I know that life is possible without color. I've used early Macs and various monochrome X-window displays for program development, word processing, and general e-mail. I haven't spent much time using a laptop LCD display. For non-color applications, is there any advantage to having a mono screen. For example, twenty years ago I would argue that I'd rather watch a B&W TV show on $150 B&W TV than a $500 Color TV. The old B&W TVs were just sharper than the old Color TVs. Do mono LCD displays have any advantages or disadvantages over color LCD displays, other than not being to display color? I'd appreciate any thoughts or comments on a TP-350C -vs- TP-750M. Do any mono TP-750 owners regret their decision? Any thoughts on the Compaq LTE Lite 3/25e? (only 209Mb disk) I guess I can get a 350C 4/250 for under $2900 or a 750M 4/340 for under $3600 Thanks, Al al.miller@nitelog.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 19 20:17:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00958 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Jan 1994 20:17:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA20877; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 21:10:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 21:10:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA20871; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 21:10:19 -0500 From: Keith Moore Received: from localhost by wilma.cs.utk.edu (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id VAA07796; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 21:03:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 21:03:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199401200203.VAA07796@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: source of tp750 tech information? Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Well, I just got my thinkpad 750 technical reference manual, and I must say I'm disappointed. There's nothing in there that tells me how to talk to the floppy controller that's incompatible with the one in most PC machines. There's essentially nothing that tells me how to talk to the sound chip -- only some sets of port addresses without even a hint as to how you tell the system which set of port addresses to use, what the programming interface is, or whether it is compatible with anything else in the world. There is also no information about the wierd power switch that doesn't really turn the power off (and which isn't functional under linux). And I still have zero information about the SCSI controller in the Dock 1 -- and the IBM guy on the phone can't find *any* manual that covers it. I'm trying to get Linux up and running on this beast, but without reasonable technical information it's basically a matter of trial and error and brute force searching. Does anyone have a better source of such information? thanks, Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 20 10:34:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27224 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 10:34:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18075; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:12:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:12:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from natinst.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18068; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:12:36 -0500 Received: from eagle.natinst.com by natinst.com with SMTP id AA23350 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 10:12:06 -0600 Received: by eagle.natinst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08233; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:12:05 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:12:05 CST From: howard@eagle.natinst.com (Howard Tsoi) Message-Id: <9401201612.AA08233@eagle.natinst.com> To: al.miller@nitelog.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: :750m -vs- 350c ? use: programming, symbolic math Status: OR >>Any thoughts on the Compaq LTE Lite 3/25e? (only 209Mb disk) I use a LTE Lite 4/25e and the screen is GREAT! I wonder why it is not more popular. You get the active-matrix characteristics at a lower price. The major drawback for me is that it does not have PCMCIA slots. Compaq knows this. And I guess you and I both knows what's coming soon (: howard From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 20 10:57:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05952 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 10:57:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA20158; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:40:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:40:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA20145; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:40:28 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11654; Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:39:12 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759094784 Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:39:44 EST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:39:44 EST Message-Id: <9400207590.AA759094784@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Re: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem Status: OR My TP750 was built on december 20th, 1993 and shipped with Audio Driver disk labeled version 1.10. I would guess, therefore that I have the latest released driver. If you could post the listing of the content of the zip file, 750AUD11.ZIP, I'll be happy to compare that to the v1.10 diskette files and re-post the comparrison. BTW, I did get a call back yesterday from the OS/2 video support expert (who was supposed to know about the Incorrect System Version problem alledgedly related to Dual Boot). He said he was the wrong person, and refered me to the guy who wrote the video driver for the TP750. I'm definitely getting the famous 'run around'. Also, speaking of driver interactions, I found a new one last night. I added DEVICE=C:\os2\mdos\ansi.sys, and voila', windows no longer ran in seemless mode, but it did still work full screen. REMing out the ANSI.SYS, seemless mode windows worked again just fine. I haven't determined whether this is specific to our tp750 driver or generic to OS/2 (kinda doubt that its generic but who knows). -------------------Original Message------------------------ > virtualized driver available or coming. There is a TP750 > MMPM/2 driver upgrade that is orderable but not shipping > (according to the operator at the Order Center, yesterday). > > No one knew what problems it fixes. I tried looking on CI$ > but realized I didn't know exactly what I was looking for. That > cost me several minutes of connect time for nothing. Aimless > searching of IBM ftp sites was unproductive but atleast it was free > of connect costs to me. Did they say a TP750 MMPM/2 driver, or driver upgrade? The audio drivers v1.0 didn't ship with MMPM/2 support. The upgrade (v1.1) did. Those of us who have it got it electronically - it hasn't shipped by mail yet even though it was supposed to back in November. If that's the driver you want it's on CompuServe and the IBM NSC BBS as 750AUD11.ZIP (might be .EXE). It's not on the ftp sites because the license says not to distribute it over electronic networks. I'm trying to get the right people at IBM to talk with each other to put it on software.watson.ibm.com. If they meant MMPM/2 upgrade (not upgrade with MMPM/2 support), that means there's a new version of the drivers shipping. Try checking on CompuServe or the NCS BBS for the filename 750AUD12.ZIP or something. And report back to us so we can all get a copy too. :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 20 11:30:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18268 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:30:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA22518; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:11:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:11:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA22492; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:10:59 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7813; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:10:58 EST Received: from YKTVMH by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 1396; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:10:45 EST Received: from ganga.watson.ibm.com by yktvmh.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:10:43 EST Received: by ganga.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA24435; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:10:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:10:56 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9401201710.AA24435@ganga.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: 's message of Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:39:44 EST <9400207590.AA759094784@warren.med.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem Status: OR >My TP750 was built on december 20th, 1993 and shipped with >Audio Driver disk labeled version 1.10. I would guess, therefore >that I have the latest released driver. If you could post the >listing of the content of the zip file, 750AUD11.ZIP, I'll be happy to >compare that to the v1.10 diskette files and re-post the >comparrison. My thinkpad was shipped with the ver. 1.10 Audio diskette, but had a prior release (1.0?) installed on the hard drive. I had to reinstall the drivers. How is one supposed to keep track of all these versions?? (other than by reading this list!) Also, how did you figure out the exact date that your machine was manufactured? --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 20 12:32:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17189 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:32:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA26309; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:12:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:12:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA26302; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:12:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199401201812.NAA26302@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: re: Re: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:12:45 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9400207590.AA759094784@warren.med.harvard.edu>; from "jbormel@warren.med" at Jan 20, 94 11:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Also, speaking of driver interactions, I found a new one last night. I > added DEVICE=C:\os2\mdos\ansi.sys, and voila', windows no longer > ran in seemless mode, but it did still work full screen. REMing out > the ANSI.SYS, seemless mode windows worked again just fine. I haven't > determined whether this is specific to our tp750 driver or generic to > OS/2 (kinda doubt that its generic but who knows). This is a wild guess, but hey, with the lousy tech support what isn't. One of the APARs out for OS/2 is that you can't load DOS high if the machine uses the UMB in some nonstandard way. The TP750 does (if you look at your default EMM386 statement, you'll notice some memory regions are excluded). It may be some sort of interaction between where ansi.sys is loading into memory and the video drivers. While we're on the subject of tech support, I suggest we build up a list of anyone we find during our phone calls that's the least bit knowledgable. I think someone mentioned they were connected to a person who helped write the video drivers. Having that person's name would certainly be helpful if someone else has a question on the video drivers. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 20 14:58:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18193 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:58:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA06827; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 15:28:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 15:28:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nash.pubnix.qc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA06816; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 15:27:50 -0500 Received: by nash.pubnix.qc.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA16359; Thu, 20 Jan 94 15:27:47 -0500 From: torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca (Andre Laurendeau) Message-Id: <9401202027.AA16359@nash.pubnix.qc.ca> Subject: TCP/IP - XIRCOM - OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (750 list) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 15:27:46 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 909 Status: OR Well ... I'm having trouble configuring my THINKPAD 750, with OS/2 and IBM TCP/IP 1.2.1 using the XIRCOM CE-10BC pcmcia ethernet card. I upgraded my bios (To version 1.02),I use the new utility disk (version 1.2x) with easyplay pcmcia card services, and I have upgraded the flash bios of my Xircom to revision E. I'm in communication with Xircom since before chrismass, without any help. I need help !!! :========================================================: : Andre Laurendeau [] : : Lawyer [] Phone/Fax : : [] (514) 278-1664 : : JURISYS INC. [] : : 1030 Beaubien east, #201 [] Internet: : : Montreal, Canada, H2S 1T4 [] torbit@pubnix.qc.ca : :========================================================: From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 20 17:51:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28018 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 17:51:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA20234; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:35:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:35:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA20227; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:35:09 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA21981; Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:35:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:35:19 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401202335.AA21981@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: stevens@watson.ibm.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 750C battery life Status: OR Well perhaps others have already answered this, but the battery icon value will only be accurate after you have used the battery a few times, and if you leave the battery powered on. I get typically about 2 hours 20 minutes, but that's with 20 meg, and using the disk heavily (I run an OS/2 system typically doing pretty intensive stuff). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 20 17:53:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28950 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 17:53:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA20344; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:37:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:37:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA20337; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:37:25 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22026; Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:37:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:37:34 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401202337.AA22026@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jbormel@warren.med, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem Status: OR incidentally, I phoned IBM and complained about not receiving my audio driver disk that had been promised months ago. Well the other day I got an envelope with a hand written address containing a diskette with the audio drivers with a sloppily hand written label. Nice that someone was willing to go to the trouble of doing a special copy for me, but why on earth aren't the official diskettes out yet? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 20 19:17:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25501 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:17:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA24799; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:59:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:59:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA24791; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:59:34 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22637; Thu, 20 Jan 94 19:59:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 19:59:31 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401210059.AA22637@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TCP/IP - XIRCOM - OS/2 Status: OR What drivers are you attempting to use with your XIRCOM. I am about to try setting up my IBM Ethernet PCMCIA card, but have not yet located the needed drivrs. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 04:54:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21545 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 04:54:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA05418; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 05:42:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 05:42:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA05411; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 05:42:04 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9401211042.AA19893@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: anyone get svaudio.exe working w/ qemm AND ems??? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 05:42:06 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 546 Status: OR Hmmm..I'm trying to play some games ^_^...and thanks for the help w/ the new soundblaster file svaudio.exe. But, I am now having trouble w/ loading the sound drivers into high memory and having ems also. Anyone have any ideas on how to do this. W/ qemm, interrupt 21 is taken by qemm (it's also required for use by the saudio.exe driver). I tried excluding interrupt 21, but it seems qemm will NOT give it up. Also, emm386 doesn't seem to do any better... Any ideas? Thanks. P.S. anybody gotten the sound drivers to work w/ Doom? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 08:08:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00047 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:08:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA16157; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:52:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:52:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rosa.nbr.no by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA16150; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:52:39 -0500 Received: from mailgw.nbr.no by rosa.nbr.no (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA25204; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:00:59 +0100 Received: From BENONI/WORKQUEUE by mailgw.nbr.no via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.940121144730.256; 21 Jan 94 14:47:48 +0100 Message-Id: To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "Arthur N. Olsen" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:47:23 GMT+0100 Subject: Priority: normal X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R1) Status: OR subscribe ---- Arthur N. Olsen Nasjonalbibliotekavd. i Rana Senior executive officer The National Library, Rana, NORWAY E-MAIL arthuro@rosa.nbr.no PB 278, 8601 MO tlf. + (087) 21 203 "The most northernly National Library in the World 66:30 N " ---- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 10:33:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13275 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 10:33:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA27188; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:18:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:18:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA27177; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:17:58 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA28574; Fri, 21 Jan 94 11:18:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 11:18:05 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401211618.AA28574@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: screen brightness Status: OR THe TP750C seems to insist on turning down screen brightness when operating under battery power, and indeed the screen brightness control seems to do nothing much when operating with the battery. Is there a way to stop this, there are situations where I would prefer a brighter screen, even at the expense of less battery life. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 11:32:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11126 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:31:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA02176; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:21:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:21:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA02167; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:21:52 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06474 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:21:38 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401211721.AA06474@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Q; How do I change to sVGA 1024 x 768 in OS/2 for external To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:21:36 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199401191855.NAA21933@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Jan 19, 94 10:55:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 473 Status: OR > One thing I would like, that OS/2 2.2 might fix, is the ability to > switch between the two resolutions without having to install it off > floppy each time I change resolutions. That way I can run at 640x480 > when I'm using the LCD, and when I manage to scrounge a monitor while > on the road, I can bump up to 1024x768 without having to carry half > the OS/2 install floppies with me on the road. Have you tried the chngres command? Or something along those lines... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 11:34:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12244 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:34:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA02376; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:24:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:24:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA02349; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:24:02 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA07464 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:23:47 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401211723.AA07464@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: source of tp750 tech information? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:23:47 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199401200203.VAA07796@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jan 19, 94 09:03:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 415 Status: OR > Well, I just got my thinkpad 750 technical reference manual, and I > must say I'm disappointed. There's nothing in there that tells me how That's terrible! Did you get just the TP750 manual or did you get all their notebook manuals? Maybe there's more info in the general notebook info, although I don't imaging anything on the audio system will be in there. They probably have yet another manual for that.... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 11:46:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16459 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:46:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03089; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:33:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:33:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03081; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:33:44 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11741 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:33:32 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401211733.AA11741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: screen brightness To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:33:31 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401211618.AA28574@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jan 21, 94 11:17:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 347 Status: OR > Is there a way to stop this, there are situations where I would prefer a > brighter screen, even at the expense of less battery life. I would also like to know if there's a way to do this. The slides seem to have a marginal effect once the TP is unplugged and since I like to have my machine unplugged often, it can get somewhat irritating... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 11:46:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16661 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:46:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03150; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:34:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:34:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03134; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:34:55 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA12226 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:34:42 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401211734.AA12226@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Switching video To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:34:41 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 765 Status: OR > How to I go into 1024 x 768 in OS/2 on the TP 750? > There is supposed to be a tab in the settings folder of 'system' in the > 'system setup folder' where you change such things, but the only > tabs I have are Confirmation, Title, Window, Print Screen, Logo, and > General. There is no Screen tab. I've read chapter 27. Video Support Yup, that's what I have (or I think since I don't have my machine here now and am working on a Mac ). Anyway, I think that you should go to full screen and type chngres or something to that effect. Check your OS2 or thinkpad directory for a command along those lines. It should guid you through. Once again, IBM used a brain dead procedure that's not compliant with their own standard procedures... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 11:47:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17039 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:47:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA02992; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:30:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:30:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA02976; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:30:53 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA10594 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:30:39 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401211730.AA10594@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Re: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:30:37 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9400207590.AA759094784@warren.med.harvard.edu> from "jbormel@warren.med" at Jan 20, 94 11:39:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 580 Status: OR > Also, speaking of driver interactions, I found a new one last night. I > added DEVICE=C:\os2\mdos\ansi.sys, and voila', windows no longer > ran in seemless mode, but it did still work full screen. REMing out > the ANSI.SYS, seemless mode windows worked again just fine. I haven't > determined whether this is specific to our tp750 driver or generic to > OS/2 (kinda doubt that its generic but who knows). Hmm...have you tried to load ANSI.SYS from the dos session instead of putting it in your config.sys? Or have you tried using something like NANSI.SYS or DVANSI.COM? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 11:49:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17986 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:49:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03317; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:36:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:36:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03310; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:36:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA12834 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:36:10 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401211736.AA12834@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: OS/2 for Win and Win DOS To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:36:09 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1063 Status: OR > I started getting the above error message when running DOS/Windows > and trying to run a DOS box in any way. I can do this same > operation in WIN31 under OS/2 and things work fine. (so this problem > is mainly an inconvience right now). I had this too when I was running OS/2 for Windows (I take it you are running OS/2 4W). I never did seem to solve the problem. If what they say is true, and you can find a backup of your WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI that existed prior to installation of OS/2 for Win, try using those and if it works, you can set it up in your AUTOEXEC.BAT so that those files will be loaded right away upon entering DOS. > are welcome. After a bit, I will re-install windows if all else fails. That would certainly work, although it may be a bit extreme (and the problem will reappear upon installation of the TP drivers). I would suggest at most of just changing the video drivers back to VGA to see if the video drviers are at fault. I reallt doubt if dual boot has anything to do with it...or boot manager or wahtever they said. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 11:50:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18239 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:50:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03337; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:36:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:36:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03330; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:36:43 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20516; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:35:21 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759184581 Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:36:21 EST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:36:21 EST Message-Id: <9400217591.AA759184581@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Cc: jbormel@warren.med, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: More Update external VIDEO/ AUDIO problems Status: OR dewar writes: >incidentally, I phoned IBM and complained about not receiving my audio >driver disk that had been promised months ago. Well the other day I got >an envelope with a hand written address containing a diskette with the >audio drivers with a sloppily hand written label. Nice that someone was >willing to go to the trouble of doing a special copy for me, but why on >earth aren't the official diskettes out yet? ------- Comment on above: -------- The most frustrating part for me is that they're doing a tough exceedingly complicated job (supporting state of the art hardware, the TP750, across two operating systems, in a sea of incomapatible code from many players) and they've got it ~ALMOST~ right. The audio support seems to work cleanly on my machine in DOS, DOS/Windows, OS/2, and pretty much in OS/2 DOS boxes. So, naturally, I need WIN-OS2 support which seems to be absent. And no one will acknolwedge understading that well enough to confirm that its a problem and if it is being addressed. Or, what the audio disks that 'will be sent' are supposed to fix. ---- External Video in high res --- I recieved a very interesting FAX from IBM yesterday entitled "Instructions for setting up external Display with high resolution modes for 750 Thinkpads." It is for OS/2 2.1. It starts out with a half page of what doesn't work. After that, it expressed the need of the customer to re-install OS/2 and sVGA support before following the next page and a half of step by step instructions. " do this and shutdown, do that and shut down, etc. There is no mention in it about moving system.ini in and out of os2/mdos/winos2 which seems to be necessary for install to have effects on win-os2. It focuses on SETCRT and CHANGRES. It allows you to change resolutions without carrying around diskettes, using CHANGRES. It works! (I haven't switched back to 640 x 480 yet, that's later today). Seemless windows in 1024x768 works. The refresh isn't perfect but its not worse that at the 640x480 level, ie it's livable. Also, windows still steals colors from the palette used by the WPS, but that's the way Windows 3x works without OS/2 so you can't fault the thinkpad, OS/2 or the TP video driver. The fax content is not closely related to the READ.ME on the video disk, nor the manual sections in the OS/2 manual. I can't relate it to the FAQ file because I've never seen that! ;-) It will be nice when its out... ------- The SYSTEM ERROR, INCORRECT SYSTEM VERSION --- error I was getting that made it impossible to run Dos boxes under DOS/WIN 3.1 has been tracked down to the system.ini file: GOOD: display=vddc24.386 <--- problem goes away. BAD: display=*vddvga <--- problem comes back To determine this, I had to save the windows subdiretories, re-install windows in a system that had no trace of windows (no windows directory and the contents hidden in a zip), compare working and non-working systems file by file, then line by line. Thank goodness for a variety of wonderful tools. So, if I understood what *vddvga meant, I'd have the whole puzzle. I do understand that the video driver was a the root of the problem. And the fix, changing the display= is easy. Of course, I don't know what will happen if OS/2 needs the *vddvga if I change this and dual boot back to OS2. Hopefully this will all become irrelevant with the development of either a new video driver, the new video installation instructions, or both. In the meantime, this may help us stay up and running till that day. I haven't shared this finding with IBM, who is tracking it as 5X-070,PSW. They seem to be struggling with dispatching and tracking problems and haven't a good system for allowing customers to quickly electronically search a bug database. It will cost me an hour to get to the right person to explain it to. It would be nice if they were on this mailing list, and they posted to us what faxes are pertinent to tp750 on their FAX server. This is much more efficient for me than sitting on hold on their 800 number. It's also cheaper for them to have me using e-mail or a gopher than to help them support AT&T thru 800 service fees. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 11:53:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19614 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:53:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03373; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:37:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:37:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03365; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:37:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA13208; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:37:30 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from aegina.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from aegina.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.aegina.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.aegina.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:35:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Subject: Re: screen brightness In-Reply-To: <9401211618.AA28574@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> References: <9401211618.AA28574@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Status: OR There is an undocument command for the ps2 program: ps2 BR N -- normal screen brightness ps2 BR E -- economy mode brightness ps2 BR E is the default when running under battery power, you can switch it using PS2 BR N. It does use up more power, however.. -Andrew Houghton (ah0i@andrew.cmu.edu) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 12:12:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28480 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:12:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA04690; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:02:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:02:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA04683; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:02:15 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA23234 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:01:55 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401211801.AA23234@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Hello World To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:01:55 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 640 Status: OR Hello all. My machine has been in NC for the past week undergoing some repairs. IBM seems to have done their part in only a few days (two, I believe) but my beloved TP750C is held up by the cruel Airbourne Express who has delayed it for TWO days. What BS... Well, anyway, the FAQ is in the state I left it in a week ago, but that's not bad. I'm keeping an eye on the mailing list using my school's machines and will be adding any additional tips to it when I get my machine. The biggest problem is still in finding a FTP site appropriate for it. I think I'll upload it to ftp-os2.cdrom.com and to a big DOS ftp site. Any comments? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 12:14:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29453 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:14:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA04731; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:03:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:03:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA04724; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:03:41 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24109 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:03:28 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401211803.AA24109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Video res To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:03:26 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 671 Status: OR > There is no mention in it about > moving system.ini in and out of os2/mdos/winos2 which seems to be > necessary for install to have effects on win-os2. That's only necessary for OS/2 for Windows. I only figured it out through the sheer luck that I had OS/2 2.1 handy also and was able to compare the two structures. Then, after looking at the setup command file that comes with the video drivers (which is written in REXX, BTW), it's pretty apparent what was happening (after reinstalling twice). > It focuses on SETCRT and CHANGRES. It allows you to change > resolutions without carrying around diskettes, using CHANGRES. Aha, that's what I was aiming for! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 12:30:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05858 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:30:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA05574; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:18:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:18:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA05540; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:18:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id NAA14990 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:18:52 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from merope.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from merope.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.merope.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.merope.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:17:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:17:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: IBM part #'s Status: OR It would be useful, I think, to have some external repository of part #'s for 750 things.. I would love to know the manual #'s, including technical manuals, and also all the various hardware add-ons.. Maybe this could go in the FAQ.. I'll ask frequently, thus making sure it qualifies, if that'll help.. :) - Andrew Houghton From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 14:04:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16128 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:04:26 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA13223; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:48:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:48:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA13171; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:47:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199401211947.OAA13171@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: anyone get svaudio.exe working w/ qemm AND ems??? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 11:47:53 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9401211042.AA19893@husc7.harvard.edu>; from "chan4@husc.harvard.edu" at Jan 21, 94 5:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Hmmm..I'm trying to play some games ^_^...and thanks for the help w/ the > new soundblaster file svaudio.exe. But, I am now having trouble w/ > loading the sound drivers into high memory and having ems also. Anyone > have any ideas on how to do this. W/ qemm, interrupt 21 is taken by qemm > (it's also required for use by the saudio.exe driver). I tried excluding > interrupt 21, but it seems qemm will NOT give it up. Also, emm386 > doesn't seem to do any better... The audio drivers come with a batch file for making a boot floppy and includes sample config.sys and autoexec.bat files. Do you absolutely have to load it high? > Any ideas? Thanks. P.S. anybody gotten the sound drivers to work w/ Doom? I've got the music working under Adlib/SB but can't get it working under general MIDI cuz the game doesn't let you pick the address the audio hardware is at. I haven't gotten the digitized sound effects to work. I turn the music off cuz it kills the frame rate. It might be better if I could get general MIDI to work. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 14:07:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17208 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:07:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04185; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:53:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:53:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04178; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:53:47 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29032; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:53:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:53:50 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401211753.AA29032@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: screen brightness Status: OR WHere is the PS2 program? DOes it only run under DOS (I use the OS/2 TP750 ICON instead of PS2 normally, so I am confused). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 14:07:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17363 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:07:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04401; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:56:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:56:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04394; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:56:07 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29039; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:55:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:55:52 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401211755.AA29039@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: screen brightness Status: OR OK, I found the PS2 program, WONDERFUL! That's will make a huge difference in the use of the machine in difficult lighting cases. I will report on the effect on battery life From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 14:07:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17397 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:07:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA13146; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:47:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:47:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA13139; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:47:40 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA00660; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:47:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:47:42 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401211947.AA00660@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: battery life with bright display (ps2 BR N) Status: OR Well I brightened up my display with the above command, and then, starting with a 91% battery, I ran a really intensive computation (bootstrapping the GCC compiler under OS/2, which uses the disk aggressively). THe battery lasted 105 minutes. This compares to perhaps 125-130 minutes that I would get in the same circumstances (91% starting out, heavy computation) with the display in low position. By the way, I had the display intensity full on for this whole experiment (lower slider all the way up!) So it certainly takes up more battery, but it is VERY nice to have this possibility when it is needed. Probably the reason that IBM buries this option is that magazines can so easily beat up on lower battery life, but not quite so easily on a slightly less bright display. Still it does seem silly that a really important and useful option like this is not clearly documented! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 14:17:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20925 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:17:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA15235; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:02:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:02:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA15216; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:01:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199401212001.PAA15216@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: re: More Update external VIDEO/ AUDIO problems To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:01:51 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9400217591.AA759184581@warren.med.harvard.edu>; from "jbormel@warren.med" at Jan 21, 94 12:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > It works! (I haven't switched back to 640 x 480 yet, that's later today). > Seemless windows in 1024x768 works. The refresh isn't perfect but > its not worse that at the 640x480 level, ie it's livable. Kinda embarassing right after I posted instructions on how to get OS/2 running in SVGA mode, but I can't seem to do it myself. I recall the first time I got SVGA running it gave me a dialog box with a 640x480x256, 1024x768x16, 1024x768x256, and maybe another option. I haven't been able to get back to that dialog box. I've tried the following: Install OS/2, install TP Utility stuff, run dspinstl. At this point it defaults to the WD90C3x drivers. If I try to get it to read off the TP Video drivers floppy, it complains about not being able to find a *.DSP file. Hangs on reboot. Install OS/2, install TP Utility stuff, run selective install. At this point I've tried both: Selecting Other display driver, it defaults to WD90C3x again and hangs. Selecting SVGA, it gives me only the 640x480x256 option, then complains that my hardware won't support high-res modes (presumable 1024x768) which makes me suspect it's selecting the WD90C3x drivers again (never asks for floppy). Yes, I've tried this both off the LCD and off an external monitor. Hangs on reboot. Install OS/2, install TP Utility stuff, run install.cmd on TP Video floppy, run dspinstl or selective install. At this point, it defaults to ET4000 for some reason and I still can't get it to use any of the info on the TP Video floppy. Hangs upon reboot. You may have noticed it always hangs on reboot, which means I've installed a fresh copy of OS/2 between each try. Not fun. If someone recalls the exact procedure involved in getting the TP SVGA drivers installed, I'd really appreciate it. Meanwhile, it's VGA mode. Thanks. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 14:25:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24626 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:25:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA15999; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:12:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:12:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA15991; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:12:34 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3563; Fri, 21 Jan 94 15:12:34 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 6907; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:12:33 EST Received: from ganga.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Fri, 21 Jan 94 15:12:31 EST Received: by ganga.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA27327; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:12:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:12:33 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9401212012.AA27327@ganga.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: undocumented features Status: OR Here is an undocumented feature which I learned while speaking with the help line: When booting under DOS, you can hold down the F8 key. Then it will prompt you for each line in your config.sys and ask you if you want it executed. This is useful for debugging config.sys because the screen scrolls by so fast and there is no apparent way to pause it. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 14:26:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24906 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:26:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA15919; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:11:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:10:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA15900; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:10:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199401212010.PAA15900@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: battery life with bright display (ps2 BR N) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:10:47 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9401211947.AA00660@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU>; from "Robert Dewar" at Jan 21, 94 2:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Well I brightened up my display with the above command, and then, starting > with a 91% battery, I ran a really intensive computation (bootstrapping the > GCC compiler under OS/2, which uses the disk aggressively). THe battery > lasted 105 minutes. This compares to perhaps 125-130 minutes that I would > get in the same circumstances (91% starting out, heavy computation) with > the display in low position. By the way, I had the display intensity full > on for this whole experiment (lower slider all the way up!) Does anyone know the specs on the fluorescent lamp used in the TP750? The thing that puzzles me is that I've got a flashlight that has a fluorescent lamp which seems much much brighter than my mono display even when I mess with the contrast so everything is white. It runs off 2 AA batteries which last about 7 hours. I wonder if any laptop manufacturers considered the option of running the lamp off both the rechargeable battery and AA batteries. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 15:24:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23272 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:24:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA21705; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 16:08:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 16:08:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nash.pubnix.qc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA21698; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 16:08:42 -0500 Received: by nash.pubnix.qc.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA01579; Fri, 21 Jan 94 16:07:57 -0500 From: torbit@nash.pubnix.qc.ca (Andre Laurendeau) Message-Id: <9401212107.AA01579@nash.pubnix.qc.ca> Subject: Re: TCP/IP - XIRCOM - OS/2 To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 16:07:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (750 list) In-Reply-To: <9401210059.AA22637@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jan 20, 94 07:59:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 611 Status: OR I'm using Xircom drivers. I just hang up with a support rep. I'm beginning to hate thoses support reps.... :========================================================: : Andre Laurendeau [] : : Lawyer [] Phone/Fax : : [] (514) 278-1664 : : JURISYS INC. [] : : 1030 Beaubien east, #201 [] Internet: : : Montreal, Canada, H2S 1T4 [] torbit@pubnix.qc.ca : :========================================================: From jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Fri Jan 21 16:17:48 1994 Received: from jenner.med.harvard.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18226 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 16:17:45 -0600 Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22919; Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:16:46 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759201465 Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:17:45 EST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:17:45 EST From: jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9400217592.AA759201465@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Re: Re: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem Status: OR > Also, speaking of driver interactions, I found a new one last night. I > added DEVICE=C:\os2\mdos\ansi.sys, and voila', windows no longer > ran in seemless mode, but it did still work full screen. REMing out > the ANSI.SYS, seemless mode windows worked again just fine. I haven't > determined whether this is specific to our tp750 driver or generic to > OS/2 (kinda doubt that its generic but who knows). ++Hmm...have you tried to load ANSI.SYS from the dos session instead of ++putting it in your config.sys? Or have you tried using something like ++NANSI.SYS or DVANSI.COM? I have used it from the settings folder before but it turns out that I've sprinkled escape sequences in enought places that I really want it to be in all DOS based boxes. Actually, it seems like the full screen windows video support is a little better than seamless as far as consistency of refresh. I think I'm going to avoid tweaking my system for a while. I need more sleep! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 16:27:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22667 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 16:27:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27107; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:18:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:18:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27100; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:18:17 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22919; Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:16:46 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759201465 Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:17:45 EST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:17:45 EST Message-Id: <9400217592.AA759201465@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Re: Re: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem Status: OR > Also, speaking of driver interactions, I found a new one last night. I > added DEVICE=C:\os2\mdos\ansi.sys, and voila', windows no longer > ran in seemless mode, but it did still work full screen. REMing out > the ANSI.SYS, seemless mode windows worked again just fine. I haven't > determined whether this is specific to our tp750 driver or generic to > OS/2 (kinda doubt that its generic but who knows). ++Hmm...have you tried to load ANSI.SYS from the dos session instead of ++putting it in your config.sys? Or have you tried using something like ++NANSI.SYS or DVANSI.COM? I have used it from the settings folder before but it turns out that I've sprinkled escape sequences in enought places that I really want it to be in all DOS based boxes. Actually, it seems like the full screen windows video support is a little better than seamless as far as consistency of refresh. I think I'm going to avoid tweaking my system for a while. I need more sleep! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 16:29:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23461 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 16:29:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27119; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:18:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:18:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27098; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:18:14 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22922; Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:16:48 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759201470 Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:17:50 EST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:17:50 EST Message-Id: <9400217592.AA759201470@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Continuing Driver Saga Status: OR Subject: re: More Update external VIDEO/ AUDIO problems dewar writes: >incidentally, I phoned IBM and complained about not receiving my audio >driver disk that had been promised months ago. Well the other day I got >an envelope with a hand written address containing a diskette with the >audio drivers with a sloppily hand written label. Nice that someone was >willing to go to the trouble of doing a special copy for me, but why on >earth aren't the official diskettes out yet? ------- Comment on above: -------- The most frustrating part for me is that they're doing a tough exceedingly complicated job (supporting state of the art hardware, the TP750, across two operating systems, in a sea of incomapatible code from many players) and they've got it ~ALMOST~ right. The audio support seems to work cleanly on my machine in DOS, DOS/Windows, OS/2, and pretty much in OS/2 DOS boxes. So, naturally, I need WIN-OS2 support which seems to be absent. And no one will acknolwedge understading that well enough to confirm that its a problem and if it is being addressed. Or, what the audio disks that 'will be sent' are supposed to fix. ---- External Video in high res --- I recieved a very interesting FAX from IBM yesterday entitled "Instructions for setting up external Display with high resolution modes for 750 Thinkpads." It is for OS/2 2.1. It starts out with a half page of what doesn't work. After that, it expressed the need of the customer to re-install OS/2 and sVGA support before following the next page and a half of step by step instructions. " do this and shutdown, do that and shut down, etc. There is no mention in it about moving system.ini in and out of os2/mdos/winos2 which seems to be necessary for install to have effects on win-os2. It focuses on SETCRT and CHANGRES. It allows you to change resolutions without carrying around diskettes, using CHANGRES. It works! (I haven't switched back to 640 x 480 yet, that's later today). Seemless windows in 1024x768 works. The refresh isn't perfect but its not worse that at the 640x480 level, ie it's livable. Also, windows still steals colors from the palette used by the WPS, but that's the way Windows 3x works without OS/2 so you can't fault the thinkpad, OS/2 or the TP video driver. The fax content is not closely related to the READ.ME on the video disk, nor the manual sections in the OS/2 manual. I can't relate it to the FAQ file because I've never seen that! ;-) It will be nice when its out... ------- The SYSTEM ERROR, INCORRECT SYSTEM VERSION --- error I was getting that made it impossible to run Dos boxes under DOS/WIN 3.1 has been tracked down to the system.ini file: GOOD: display=vddc24.386 <--- problem goes away. BAD: display=*vddvga <--- problem comes back To determine this, I had to save the windows subdiretories, re-install windows in a system that had no trace of windows (no windows directory and the contents hidden in a zip), compare working and non-working systems file by file, then line by line. Thank goodness for a variety of wonderful tools. So, if I understood what *vddvga meant, I'd have the whole puzzle. I do understand that the video driver was a the root of the problem. And the fix, changing the display= is easy. Of course, I don't know what will happen if OS/2 needs the *vddvga if I change this and dual boot back to OS2. Hopefully this will all become irrelevant with the development of either a new video driver, the new video installation instructions, or both. In the meantime, this may help us stay up and running till that day. I haven't shared this finding with IBM, who is tracking it as 5X-070,PSW. They seem to be struggling with dispatching and tracking problems and haven't a good system for allowing customers to quickly electronically search a bug database. It will cost me an hour to get to the right person to explain it to. It would be nice if they were on this mailing list, and they posted to us what faxes are pertinent to tp750 on their FAX server. This is much more efficient for me than sitting on hold on their 800 number. It's also cheaper for them to have me using e-mail or a gopher than to help them support AT&T thru 800 service fees. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 17:36:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18738 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:36:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA02330; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:29:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:29:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mtu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA02323; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:29:26 -0500 Received: from pace1.cts.mtu.edu by mtu.edu with SMTP id AA22287 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:27:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:27:12 -0500 From: Christopher Sorensen Message-Id: <199401212327.AA22287@mtu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750 Color upgrade Status: OR Does anyone know about the upgrade from TP750 to 750C? In all of IBMs lit on the TP750 series, they mention that the TP750 Mono is upgradable to the TP750C. I bought a mono because at the time, I opted for more battery life, and the 750C was BACKORDERED (I mean really backordered!). I am now finding several applications for a color notebook beyond my initial reasons for buying. To cut to the chase: Is there a color upgrade? If yes how much, and how do you get it! I cant find a listing from IBM for that order number! If there is an upgrade, I guess my next question would be, how hard is it to install? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 18:03:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26535 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:03:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA03444; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:57:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:57:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA03437; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:57:15 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9401212357.AA00800@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: anyone get svaudio.exe working w/ qemm AND ems??? (fwd) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:57:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2502 Status: OR Forwarded message: > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jan 21 14:49:18 1994 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:48:09 EST > Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Message-Id: <199401211947.OAA13171@CS.UTK.EDU> > Subject: Re: anyone get svaudio.exe working w/ qemm AND ems??? > To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 11:47:53 PST > From: "John H. Kim" > In-Reply-To: <9401211042.AA19893@husc7.harvard.edu>; from "chan4@husc.harvard.edu" at Jan 21, 94 5:42 am > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > > > > Hmmm..I'm trying to play some games ^_^...and thanks for the help w/ the > > new soundblaster file svaudio.exe. But, I am now having trouble w/ > > loading the sound drivers into high memory and having ems also. Anyone > > have any ideas on how to do this. W/ qemm, interrupt 21 is taken by qemm > > (it's also required for use by the saudio.exe driver). I tried excluding > > interrupt 21, but it seems qemm will NOT give it up. Also, emm386 > > doesn't seem to do any better... > > The audio drivers come with a batch file for making a boot floppy and > includes sample config.sys and autoexec.bat files. Do you absolutely > have to load it high? > Yeah, since Betrayal at Krondor needs 590 K free conventional memory and 1024 K of EMS... Loading, thus, with the NOEMS option as IBM suggests creates somewhat of a problem, then eh? :( Hmm...I suppose it's out of the question getting SVAUDIO.EXE to work w/ Ultima 7 Part 2, eh? The machine complains about protected mode...I suppose it's the audio driver. Funny, the audio on the TP 750C seems similar to the Portable Sound Player for notebooks by Digisound (an IBM Business partner...surprise, surprise). Maybe if we can figure out how to get hte Portable Sound Player working w/ our games, the same would be true for the TP 750C... Oh, and someone asked about SVAUDIO.EXE...it's on the new audio drivers disk. I called IBM BBS to get it...file directory 37. Ph#? Hmm...dunno...someone else must have it. I trashed it after getting the files... > > Any ideas? Thanks. P.S. anybody gotten the sound drivers to work w/ Doom? > > I've got the music working under Adlib/SB but can't get it working > under general MIDI cuz the game doesn't let you pick the address the > audio hardware is at. I haven't gotten the digitized sound effects > to work. I turn the music off cuz it kills the frame rate. It might > be better if I could get general MIDI to work. > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 22 00:24:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21032 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Jan 1994 00:24:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA26130; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 01:16:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 01:16:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA26123; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 01:16:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199401220616.BAA26123@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 22:13:17 PST From: Orcinus orca To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Installing OS/2 SVGA drivers Status: OR Embarassment on top of embarassment. It turns out that on the Thinkpad Video diskette, in the OS2_21 directory, there is a read.me file that gives explicit instructions on how to get OS/2 up and running in SVGA mode, and it works. Sorry to bother you all. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 22 04:14:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19267 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Jan 1994 04:14:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA12648; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 05:03:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 05:03:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rosa.nbr.no by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA12624; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 05:03:14 -0500 Received: from mailgw.nbr.no by rosa.nbr.no (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26157; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 11:11:35 +0100 Received: From BENONI/WORKQUEUE by mailgw.nbr.no via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.940122105804.416; 22 Jan 94 10:58:26 +0100 Message-Id: To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "Arthur N. Olsen" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 10:58:02 GMT+0100 Subject: PCMCIA questions + intro Priority: normal X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R1) Status: OR Hi everyone. We have just received a complete TP750C package including the following: TP750C 8/170 MB Dock 1 with internal CD-ROM player Xircom BNC PCMCIA ethernet adapter Lasat 14400 PCMCIA fax modem We are planning to using the system for multimedia demo's etc. My first impression is that IBM has done a terrific job on the TP750c, it is responsive, the sound is great and the screen likewise. I am having some problems getting the PCMCIA cards to work ( this is the first time I have come across them ). The relevant part of the config.sys file is as follows: Device=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE 1024 frame =d000 X=c000-cfff Device=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS /S0=2 Device=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS Device=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=c000-cfff Device=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS The computer contains both cards the modem in slot 1 and the EA in slot 2. The configuration utility from Xircom does not find the EA with the IBM device drivers loaded. Without them things load but the Netware session locks up during login. I have'nt been able to find out how to specify the COM port for the modem card at all. I have looked through the printed and online documentation without finding any good answers. One other unclear point is what version of the PCMCIA programs to use. The small printed update says not to use the utilities from PCDOS 6.1, while the readme.txt file from DOS 6.1 gives examples for the 750. The programs from DOS 6.1 seem a lot more complete regarding parameters etc. I plan to give them a try when I get a complete copy on Monday. Any suggestions would be much apreciated. Best wishes Arthur ---- Arthur N. Olsen Nasjonalbibliotekavd. i Rana Senior executive officer The National Library, Rana, NORWAY E-MAIL arthuro@rosa.nbr.no PB 278, 8601 MO tlf. + (087) 21 203 "The most northernly National Library in the World 66:30 N " ---- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 22 12:20:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07536 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Jan 1994 12:19:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA14731; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 12:44:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 12:44:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA14711; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 12:44:04 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27293; Sat, 22 Jan 94 12:42:31 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759271416 Sat, 22 Jan 94 12:43:36 EST Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 12:43:36 EST Message-Id: <9400227592.AA759271416@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: battery life with bright display (ps2 BR N) Status: OR Thanks for posting the ps2 BR N undocumented option. One battery saving feature I really miss-> a 'diskdrive shutdown now' key. There was a utility called COLAP, a color laptop bitmap messager I have used on my Toshiba notebook. It had a flag specific for toshiba that alloed you to press Right-Shift-Key + DEL, and the hard disk would spin down instantly. Power consumption was improved but what I really liked was the silence. I still use this when I dial in to read news groups. I dont need my disk spinning, even when I'm plugged in, and the silence is really pleasant. On the TP750, I use FN + F3, wait the 5 to 10 seconds for the disk to shutdown, then press a key to get the screen back on. It would be great if there was an undocumented key to do this directly and immediately. (Granted it is a small thing, but its lovely when you have it) ----- original message ------- Well I brightened up my display with the above command, and then, starting with a 91% battery, I ran a really intensive computation (bootstrapping the GCC compiler under OS/2, which uses the disk aggressively). THe battery lasted 105 minutes. This compares to perhaps 125-130 minutes that I would get in the same circumstances (91% starting out, heavy computation) with the display in low position. By the way, I had the display intensity full on for this whole experiment (lower slider all the way up!) So it certainly takes up more battery, but it is VERY nice to have this possibility when it is needed. Probably the reason that IBM buries this option is that magazines can so easily beat up on lower battery life, but not quite so easily on a slightly less bright display. Still it does seem silly that a really important and useful option like this is not clearly documented! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 22 13:16:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20855 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Jan 1994 13:16:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA20671; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 14:11:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 14:11:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA20662; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 14:11:37 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA19099 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sat, 22 Jan 1994 13:11:25 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401221911.AA19099@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: PCMCIA questions + intro To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 13:11:24 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Arthur N. Olsen" at Jan 22, 94 10:57:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 506 Status: OR > answers. One other unclear point is what version of the PCMCIA > programs to use. The small printed update says not to use the utilities > from PCDOS 6.1, while the readme.txt file from DOS 6.1 gives > examples for the 750. The programs from DOS 6.1 seem a lot more Use the ones that came with PC-DOS 6.1. They are really quite nice little programs and will make your PCMCIA life so much easier... Follow the directions in the readme file for DOS. If you need more help, don't hesitate to ask. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jan 22 14:37:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17555 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Jan 1994 14:37:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA25555; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 15:31:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 15:31:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA25540; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 15:31:36 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA18133 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 94 15:15:16 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E16389; Wed, 19 Jan 94 14:57:31 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Good idea!! From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.275689.700.0CE16389@channel1.com> In-Reply-To: <199401201812.NAA26302@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 00:08:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR >While we're on the subject of tech support, I suggest we build up a >list of anyone we find during our phone calls that's the least bit >knowledgable. I think someone mentioned they were connected to a >person who helped write the video drivers. Having that person's name >would certainly be helpful if someone else has a question on the >video drivers. Mr. John H. Kim, I think you just came up with a GREAT idea!! I think by having such a list (name of contact, phone number and type of problem that was *successfully* resolved) would definitely cut down the aggravation factor, and time also! Joseph Pereira From zachary@u.washington.edu Sat Jan 22 18:44:55 1994 Received: from stein3.u.washington.edu (stein.u.washington.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00428 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Jan 1994 18:44:53 -0600 Received: by stein3.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14378; Sat, 22 Jan 94 16:45:05 -0800 X-Sender: zachary@stein3.u.washington.edu Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 16:45:04 -0800 (PST) From: Zachary Martin Subject: Re: ThinkPad 750 List To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Kindly add me to your TP 750 Users Mailing List. Zachary Martin Political Science/Economics University of Washington From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jan 23 20:25:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23290 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 23 Jan 1994 20:25:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA13730; Sun, 23 Jan 1994 21:18:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 23 Jan 1994 21:18:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA13721; Sun, 23 Jan 1994 21:17:59 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15968 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 23 Jan 1994 20:17:05 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA04657; Sun, 23 Jan 94 20:21:11 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9401240221.AA04657@kentucky> Subject: Retail Prices To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 20:21:09 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 776 Status: OR Can someone tell me the retail prices of the TP750 and TP750C (with the larger harddrive)? Thanks in advance. SW -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 24 00:09:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21523 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 00:09:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA26568; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 01:02:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 01:02:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA26561; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 01:02:40 -0500 Received: by ciao.cc.columbia.edu id AA09247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 01:02:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 01:01:20 -0500 (EST) From: Hanson Riad Hosein Subject: Re: Retail Prices To: Stanley Wasserman Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9401240221.AA04657@kentucky> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR The best prices in New York, at least for the 750 are $2899 (170 MB HD) and $3799 (340 MB HD) HRH On Sun, 23 Jan 1994, Stanley Wasserman wrote: > Can someone tell me the retail prices of the TP750 and TP750C > (with the larger harddrive)? > > Thanks in advance. > > > SW > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, > University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology > ****************************************************************************** > stanwass@uiuc.edu * > sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * > ********************* * > 217 333-3325 * > 217 244-5876 (fax) * > ****************************************************************************** > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 24 07:47:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14193 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 07:47:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA00266; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:38:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:38:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA00249; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:38:30 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07534; Mon, 24 Jan 94 08:37:03 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759429491 Mon, 24 Jan 94 08:38:11 EST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 08:38:11 EST Message-Id: <9400247594.AA759429491@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Monologue Speech Software Status: OR It was a very pleasant surprise to find the Monologue software in the box with the tp750. Has anyone found a way to run SAYFILE without it stopping and waiting for the 'press any key to start'. (I've tried redirecting input from a file with < but that doesn't work. Also tried reading the manual and looking at the binary. Incidently, how did 'we' find the undocumented PS2 BR N option?) Another annoyance: Sometimes, the speech engine is static-y and most of the time it's wonderfully clean. Any way to avoid the static-filled runs? These comments apply to DOS. Tuning it to run consistently well under OS/2 would be useful, but not worth working on if it couldn't be made more reliable under DOS. -Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 24 08:28:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20360 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:28:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA03151; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:21:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:21:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA03143; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:21:53 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04844 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:20:58 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA05329; Mon, 24 Jan 94 08:25:09 CST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 08:25:09 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9401241425.AA05329@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Turning off the color Status: OR Does anyone know if one can "turn off" the color on the 750c, thereby saving battery power, and perhaps even getting the battery of a 750c to behave more like the battery of a 750 (which can run for as long as 7 hours)? SW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 24 08:42:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24017 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:42:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA03752; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:31:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:31:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA03745; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:31:51 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13951; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:31:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:31:55 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401241431.AA13951@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Turning off the color Status: OR How could you possibly "turn off" the color. There are three colors of pixels. Unless you want an all blue, all red, or all green screen, you clearly cannot get what you want. The technology of the screen on the 750C is totally different from ordinary LCD technology! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 24 09:49:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13912 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:49:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA08690; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 10:37:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 10:37:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA08671; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 10:37:03 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08448; Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:35:34 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA759436546 Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:35:46 EST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:35:46 EST Message-Id: <9400247594.AA759436546@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Turning off the color Status: OR >Does anyone know if one can "turn off" the color on the > 750c, thereby saving battery power, and perhaps even > getting the battery of a 750c to behave more like the > battery of a 750 (which can run for as long as 7 hours)? > > >SW Stanley Wasserman Interesting idea! I'm pretty sure it's impossible. The 750C doesn't have an LCD display to fall back to. There are three transistors per pixel on active matrix displays, and, as the saying goes, "The wolves have to be fed!" Short of going into standby or suspend mode, if the display is on, whether the pixel is on or off, some amount of power is bleeding thru each transistor, and running the battery down. The most practical way to get 7 hours of power is to buy a second battery pack and use the power saving features. Also, planning your work to reduce disk accesses. This may include avoiding programs that go to the disk every 20 seconds to get an overlay or dynamically linked programs (like windows does), setting up a RAM drive, and running the processor slow. Off-the-point, last piece of advice: if your main need is word/text processing and multiple file access, and perhaps some lite communication, spreadsheet, and mail, consider getting a palmtop. I'm using one now. It runs about 2 weeks on 2 AA batteries, has a PCMCIA slot, mail, lotus 123, runs Freemacs (or any DOS based wp, fits in my shirt or pants pocket easily, and now sells for ~$500. Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 24 15:43:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28036 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 15:43:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA08241; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 16:22:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 16:22:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA08234; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 16:22:44 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA18292 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 15:22:29 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401242122.AA18292@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: BIOS fix! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 15:22:26 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I don't know who this applies to so I'll just describe the problem I had. I have a 750C and had stripes that looked like the vertical alignment was off at startup or coming out of suspend. Wiggling the power cord seemed to help (although I broke my power cord doing this so I don't recommend it). Anyway, I contacted IBM about this and they said it was a known problem and that they had a fix available. I sent my machine in (for a new screen -- I had 7 bad pixels and now have 1) but they said that I normally wouldn't have had to send it in for the BIOS fix. I suspect the newer models shouldn't have this problem, but I got mine in Novemeber (not that long ago). So if you have this problem, call IBM and ask for the fix. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 02:12:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00420 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 02:12:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA18173; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 03:01:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 03:01:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from usceast.cs.scarolina.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA18165; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 03:00:59 -0500 Received: by usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (cs.grandpoobah.102592) From: Robert Castles Message-Id: <9401250759.AA29807@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> Subject: Mailing List To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 2:59:56 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Subject: mailing list To: request-tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 3:50:02 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] The company I work for has 2 TP750c notebooks and a 720C. I would like to be added to the mailing list. Thank you. castles@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 02:37:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03262 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 02:37:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA21304; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 03:28:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 03:28:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA21295; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 03:28:44 -0500 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA18686; Mon, 24 Jan 94 15:09:31 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.05) id PAA28065; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 15:10:28 -0800 Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA09559; Mon, 24 Jan 94 15:06:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 15:05:50 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Turning off the color To: Stanley Wasserman Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9401241425.AA05329@kentucky> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Stanley Wasserman wrote: > Does anyone know if one can "turn off" the color on the > 750c, thereby saving battery power, and perhaps even > getting the battery of a 750c to behave more like the > battery of a 750 (which can run for as long as 7 hours)? > > > SW I understand that the backlighting provisions consume most of the power. However, you could use the settings available in OS/2 or Windows to set the screen to mono. I don't know how much you would gain. It would be hard for me to turn off those beautiful colors. My wife says that viewing that gorgeous screen lowers my blood pressure. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis Email: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 08:46:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05213 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:43:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20256; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:30:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:30:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20244; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:30:20 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27060 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:29:18 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA07169; Tue, 25 Jan 94 08:33:40 CST Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 08:33:40 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9401251433.AA07169@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: I bought one Status: OR Dear all: Thanks to all of you for responding to my queries, even though some of the question seemed strange. I just bought a 750c --- it is wonderful, even if it was VERY expensive. It works just fine --- I am running Win3.1 and Norton Desktop. I do have a few MORE queries ..... First, even though you all told me that the 700 series uses the same DRAM cards as the 750 machines, the 8MB DRAM card, which worked just fine in my 700, will NOT work in the 750c. I get error message #201 (what does that mean?). Any thoughts on this? Is it worth upgrading from DOS 6.1 to 6.2? The prices on an extra battery and quick charger for the 750 are ridiculous ($200 for the battery). Anyone know of a cheap place to get these? Anyone want to buy a 700 (in excellent condition) along with an extra battery and quick charger? Thanks again, SW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 13:11:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13142 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:07:26 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA10134; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:37:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:37:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA10127; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:37:08 -0500 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA16923; Tue, 25 Jan 94 09:55:42 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.05) id JAA13544; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:56:40 -0800 Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA20366; Tue, 25 Jan 94 09:52:17 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:52:09 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Hibernation File/DRAM Voltage To: Stanley Wasserman Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9401251433.AA07169@kentucky> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Tue, 25 Jan 1994, Stanley Wasserman wrote: > > I do have a few MORE queries ..... > > First, even though you all told me that the 700 series uses > the same DRAM cards as the 750 machines, the 8MB DRAM > card, which worked just fine in my 700, will NOT work in the > 750c. I get error message #201 (what does that mean?). Any > thoughts on this? Did you increase the size of the hibernation file? This is in the 750 instruction manual. Also, to the other members of this group, is it possible that one could wind up with a 5 volt DRAM card from a third party source instead of the considerably more expensive 3.3 volt? This might shorten battery life considerably. I read about this happening with someone's Toshiba 1950. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis Email: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 13:54:19 1994 Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27740 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:50:08 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AB02678 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:47:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA01475; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:48:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:48:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA01458; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:48:36 -0500 Received: by aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA21195; Tue, 25 Jan 94 11:47:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 11:47:29 -0500 From: powers@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (Clifton Powers) Message-Id: <9401251647.AA21195@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750C upgradable to POWERPC??? Status: OR > Hey, has anyone heard anything about whether or not IBM will offer a > POWER PC motherboard upgrade for the 750C??? ^_^ In EDN Products (January 17th) there is a new Fluid Cooling system aimed at notebook computers that will use Pentiums and DEC Alphas. They even have a picture of it with some aquarium air-line like tubing! It mounts on top of the processor and has an exchanger that can be mounted elsewhere. I wonder what the battery life of such a beast would be? > > Just wondering, since IBM also offers a planar upgrade for a reasonable > price for its PS/2's (the first ones - I have a 286 Model 50 ---> > upgraded to a 486 SLc2 50 Mhz) How do you get the motherboard upgrades (PC Direct?) and how much (roughly) would an upgrade be for a Model 55 (not mine, my brother in-law's). And are the disk drives reasonable also? -Cliff From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 13:55:28 1994 Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27966 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:50:31 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AB02633 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:46:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA29723; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:30:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:30:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA29707; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:30:53 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22451; Tue, 25 Jan 94 11:31:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 11:31:01 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401251631.AA22451@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: stevens@watson.ibm.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: I bought one Status: OR Well I successfully moved a third party memory board (in fact a Kingston) from a 720 to a 750, and that same card had previously been in a 700, so it isn't quite as simple as that! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 13:55:29 1994 Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27164 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:47:48 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AB02561 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:44:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04069; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 12:16:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 12:16:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04056; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 12:15:58 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05749 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:15:02 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA00335; Tue, 25 Jan 94 11:18:34 CST Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 11:18:34 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9401251718.AA00335@kentucky> To: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: old message request Status: OR Are all the old mail messages to tp750 archived somewhere? Thanks in advance. SW From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 13:56:22 1994 Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28616 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:52:05 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AC02806 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:50:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA24647; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 10:29:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 10:29:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA24638; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 10:29:39 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA21183; Tue, 25 Jan 94 10:23:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 10:23:33 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401251523.AA21183@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: I bought one Status: OR The battery is quite expensive because it is very fancy, it has a built in microprocessor to monitor usage, which learns how you use it. Sort of an its-such-a-nice-battery-but-rather-expensive to go along with the TP750C itself (its-such-a-nice-machine-but-rather-expensive) once you get more memory, you really should consider running OS/2, it really works so nicely on the Thinkpad, and makes the machine even nicer :-)^C From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 13:55:42 1994 Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28427 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:51:32 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AC02739 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:48:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA29026; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:22:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:22:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA29011; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:22:01 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6571; Tue, 25 Jan 94 11:22:01 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 1971; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:22:00 EST Received: from ganga.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 25 Jan 94 11:21:59 EST Received: by ganga.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA25137; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:22:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 11:22:00 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9401251622.AA25137@ganga.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Stanley Wasserman's message of Tue, 25 Jan 94 08:33:40 CST <9401251433.AA07169@kentucky> Subject: I bought one Status: OR First, even though you all told me that the 700 series uses the same DRAM cards as the 750 machines, the 8MB DRAM card, which worked just fine in my 700, will NOT work in the 750c. I get error message #201 (what does that mean?). Any thoughts on this? My understanding is that the memory card from IBM is compatible in the 700 and the 750. However, this is not true for some of the second source cards (in particular, the Kingston card). I think it is because the 750 requires a 70ns DRAM, while the older machines only needed 80ns. I'm not sure what error message 201 is, though. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 17:28:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10856 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 17:28:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA03168; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 18:15:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 18:15:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA03140; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 18:15:35 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04772 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 17:15:12 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401252315.AA04772@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Message archival To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 17:15:08 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401251718.AA00335@kentucky> from "Stanley Wasserman" at Jan 25, 94 11:18:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Are all the old mail messages to tp750 archived somewhere? Actually, I have all of them (well, some of the old, old ones got lost) on my machine. The newer ones are still mixed with my personaly messages. I can stop by with them some time or you can ask me what you're looking for. I will try to make them available to all for FTP sometime in the future. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 18:41:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08610 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 18:41:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA07784; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:33:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:33:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA07777; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:33:10 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9401260032.AA25320@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: tp750C upgradable to POWERPC??? To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:32:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9401251426.AA21030@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jan 25, 94 09:26:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR The price on the 286---50Mhzslc2 upgrade is 899. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 18:50:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11162 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 18:50:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA07953; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:35:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:35:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA07940; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:35:52 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9401260035.AA25518@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: memory for the 750c... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:35:47 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR okay...so I've been reading the thread about the memory...does anyone know if the 16 megabyte memory upgrade selling for $1059 from LA Trade is 3.3 volt or 5 volt? I called them, but they said..."duh...it's compatible...duh" Also, anyone know about the Megahertz PCMCIA 14.4 modem? I heard they have a new one w/ the 16550 UART in it ^_^. Anybody gotten their hands on one? Is the AT&T one better in terums of performance (though I'd miss the X-Jack) ^--remove... Thanks From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 19:23:32 1994 Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22217 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:23:28 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00549 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 07:49:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA16063; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:33:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:33:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA16056; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:33:24 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9401251333.AA13574@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: tp750C upgradable to POWERPC??? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:33:26 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hey, has anyone heard anything about whether or not IBM will offer a POWER PC motherboard upgrade for the 750C??? ^_^ Just wondering, since IBM also offers a planar upgrade for a reasonable price for its PS/2's (the first ones - I have a 286 Model 50 ---> upgraded to a 486 SLc2 50 Mhz) It would be waaay coool.... Hmmmm... Perhaps someone from IBM reads this list??? ^_^ "Ahem, I have a suggestion..." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 19:33:45 1994 Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26200 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:33:42 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00811 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 07:55:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA16658; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:41:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:41:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA16641; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:41:14 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA20633; Tue, 25 Jan 94 08:41:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 08:41:18 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401251341.AA20633@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu, sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Turning off the color Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Responding to Brian's note about turning off colors: please look at the screen closely, it has red, green, and blue pixels. You can only turn on or turn off these individual pixels. You get a monochrome illusion by making sure that all three colors are equal intensity, if you do that all over the screen, you will get shades of gray, but you won't save any power. It is the technology, not the color, of a TFT screen that consumes power. A monochrome TFT screen with the same number of pixels would consume roughly the same amount of power. Of course you probably would NOT use the same number of pixels, but could get away with one instead of three at each point, so that is how a monochrome screen might use less power (even a TFT one). You could imagine a feature to save power by turning on, say, only the blue pixels, but I am not sure you would like the result. I suppose that you could build a screen with four pixels at each point, RBG and monochrome, and then perhaps you could have meaningful switching between color and a lower powered monochrome. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 21:33:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05449 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 21:33:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA19022; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 22:24:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 22:24:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA19015; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 22:24:03 -0500 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA00270; Tue, 25 Jan 94 18:55:53 PST Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.05) id SAA10789; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 18:56:55 -0800 Received: by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (5.57/UCD2.05) id AA16196; Tue, 25 Jan 94 18:52:48 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 18:52:46 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: memory for the 750c... To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9401260035.AA25518@husc7.harvard.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Tue, 25 Jan 1994 chan4@husc.harvard.edu wrote: > > Also, anyone know about the Megahertz PCMCIA 14.4 modem? I heard they > have a new one w/ the 16550 UART in it ^_^. Anybody gotten their hands > on one? Is the AT&T one better in terums of performance (though I'd miss > the X-Jack) ^--remove... > I like the AT&T because it has updatable firmware and an optical line interface, which is claimed to improve transmission over poor lines. I occasionally need to send faxes overseas to places like Madagascar and Russia where this feature could help, and the modem has worked beautifully so far. While the Xjack is certainly nice, with it connected, I don't think you can connect a second PCMCIA card. Also, can you use the standard 750 PCMCIA port cover with the Xjack? Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 21:45:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09195 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 21:45:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA19898; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 22:37:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 22:37:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA19891; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 22:37:05 -0500 Received: by ciao.cc.columbia.edu id AA15736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 22:37:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 22:32:33 -0500 (EST) From: Hanson Riad Hosein Subject: Re: memory for the 750c... To: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Cc: chan4@husc.harvard.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I wanted to recommend the Intel 14,400 PCMCIA card. It doesn't have an X-Jack, but the supplied cable plugs directly from the card into the phone jack. I've always wondered whether the X-Jack was more cumbersome to use in other countries that don't have the same size phone plug as in North America. The Intel modem simply needs an adapter at the other end of the cable in that situation. The Intel is also cheaper ($259 in NY). Just watch out with the software, it may require some serious CONFIG.SYS changes, unless they've tried to make it more compatible with the TP750. Hanson Hosein, Columbia School of Journalism On Tue, 25 Jan 1994 sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu wrote: > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 1994 chan4@husc.harvard.edu wrote: > > > > > Also, anyone know about the Megahertz PCMCIA 14.4 modem? I heard they > > have a new one w/ the 16550 UART in it ^_^. Anybody gotten their hands > > on one? Is the AT&T one better in terums of performance (though I'd miss > > the X-Jack) ^--remove... > > > I like the AT&T because it has updatable firmware and an optical line > interface, which is claimed to improve transmission over poor lines. I > occasionally need to send faxes overseas to places like Madagascar and > Russia where this feature could help, and the modem has worked > beautifully so far. While the Xjack is certainly nice, with it connected, I > don't think you can connect a second PCMCIA card. Also, can you use the > standard 750 PCMCIA port cover with the Xjack? > > Brian K. Tarkington > University of California at Davis > bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 22:41:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29053 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 22:41:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA23482; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:31:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:31:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA23474; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:31:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199401260431.XAA23474@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: I bought one To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 20:31:33 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9401251622.AA25137@ganga.watson.ibm.com>; from "Andrew Stevens" at Jan 25, 94 11:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > First, even though you all told me that the 700 series uses > the same DRAM cards as the 750 machines, the 8MB DRAM > card, which worked just fine in my 700, will NOT work in the > 750c. I get error message #201 (what does that mean?). Any > thoughts on this? > > My understanding is that the memory card from IBM is compatible in the > 700 and the 750. However, this is not true for some of the second > source cards (in particular, the Kingston card). I think it is > because the 750 requires a 70ns DRAM, while the older machines only > needed 80ns. According to the sales brochure, the 750 takes 80ns 4MB and 8MB DRAM cards, and 70ns 16MB DRAM cards. Dunno why the difference. > I'm not sure what error message 201 is, though. How's about calling IBM tech support. After all, you did pay all that money for this machine. Make the investment pay off. Report back if you find out what it means. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jan 25 23:35:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17745 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:35:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA26306; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 00:17:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 00:17:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA26299; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 00:17:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199401260517.AAA26299@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Problems with suspend mode and OS/2. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 21:17:26 PST From: "John H. Kim" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR A while ago I reported I had trouble with ctrl-alt-del and OS/2 on my TP750. I've narrowed the problem down. If I ctrl-alt-del under OS/2, it acts as it should - flushes the cache, then reboots. However, if at any time prior to the C-A-D the machine has gone into suspend mode, it reboots without flushing the cache. Upon restarting OS/2, it goes through the chkdsk of the HPFS drives just like if I had powered off without shutting down or C-A-Ding. Can any of you running OS/2 reproduce this behavior? OS/2 v2.1 GA, no patches installed. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 00:00:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24559 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 00:00:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA27750; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 00:46:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 00:46:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA27741; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 00:46:22 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA27350; Wed, 26 Jan 94 00:46:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 00:46:27 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401260546.AA27350@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with suspend mode and OS/2. Status: OR I certainly can shut down successfully after any number of suspends, never tried CAD (I do however have to manually close the clock, otherwise I have a 100% failure rate trying to shut down) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 00:43:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04763 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 00:43:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00205; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 01:29:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 01:29:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00198; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 01:29:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199401260629.BAA00198@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Problems with suspend mode and OS/2. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 22:29:28 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9401260546.AA27350@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU>; from "Robert Dewar" at Jan 26, 94 12:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > I certainly can shut down successfully after any number of suspends, never > tried CAD To clarify, I have no problems shutting down. Just when I C-A-D. (And no messages about how I should just shut down. If this is a bug, it's a bug, never mind that it's not critical. Besides if OS/2 "crashes" by not accepting mouse or keyboard input, C-A-D is often my last resort). > (I do however have to manually close the clock, otherwise I have a 100% > failure rate trying to shut down) Hmm, I don't use the clock. I thought it was redundant considering I have a watch on my left hand. Wait a sec, that's right, you're freezing in New York. I'm wearing a short sleeved shirt here in L.A. :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 00:49:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05979 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 00:49:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00671; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 01:35:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 01:35:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00645; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 01:35:50 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA28955; Wed, 26 Jan 94 01:35:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 01:35:55 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401260635.AA28955@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Problems with suspend mode and OS/2. Status: OR oddly I need the clock for another reason, I keep my machine on GMT to ease problems in file transfer between Unix machines and the TP! :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 07:37:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24139 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 07:37:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA01406; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 08:25:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 08:25:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA01388; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 08:25:29 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA13119 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 94 08:17:57 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E16686; Tue, 25 Jan 94 16:50:41 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 750c Where? From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.279017.700.0CE16686@channel1.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 16:46:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Hello everyone, Two questions: Who and where, is presently selling the TP750c? I've been on a *order* list at AmeriData for 2 months. Each time I call, to inquire on the status of my order, they keep moving the arrival date forward! I'm just curious if anyone knows where I would have better luck!? I wanted an extra 8meg of ram, IBM is charging $800.+ for it. Anyone know if/where memory can be purchased at a more reasonable price? If it's a *generic* brand, is it fully compatible with the 750c? Also, would the speed of the memory be the same as what IBM offers? Lastly, is anyone experiencing any problems when using memory, other them IBM's? Thank you in advance! Joseph --- ~ QMPro 1.51 ~ @BY . z y x@BY Boo Patriots! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 08:49:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05664 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 08:49:07 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA07545; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:35:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:35:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA07515; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:35:30 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA01149; Wed, 26 Jan 94 09:35:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 09:35:37 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401261435.AA01149@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, joseph.pereira@channel1.com Subject: Re: 750c Where? Status: OR "Also would the speed of the memory be the same as what IBM offers" It is not possible to have memory that is "fully compatible", an which at the same time has different speed, in the sense of actually running slower or faster. Memory comes in various speeds, a given design requires a certain minimum speed, if you use memory slower than this, it won't work, if you use memory that is unnecessarily faster, you are just wasting money. I am not sure, but it sounded like your question was written from the point of view of the common misconception, aided and abetted by magazine writers here and there, that your machine will run faster if you put faster memory in it. That is not true for typical modern designs. Yes, there definitely is third party memory, you should pay no more than about $400 for an 8 meg board, or about $1000 for a 16 meg board. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 09:09:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10595 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:09:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA09091; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:49:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:49:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA09077; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:49:51 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05797 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 08:49:38 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401261449.AA05797@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: PCMCIA modems To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 08:49:36 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu" at Jan 25, 94 06:52:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I like the AT&T because it has updatable firmware and an optical line > interface, which is claimed to improve transmission over poor lines. I > occasionally need to send faxes overseas to places like Madagascar and > Russia where this feature could help, and the modem has worked > beautifully so far. While the Xjack is certainly nice, with it connected, I > don't think you can connect a second PCMCIA card. Also, can you use the > standard 750 PCMCIA port cover with the Xjack? I like the AT&T KIT for the same reason. Also, OS/2 drivers are in beta in February (so they say) finally! This is straight from AT&T. Additionally, the KIT's speed is one of the fastest and it has a 16550. I think the XJack could be used with the TP750 port covers and it could also be used with a second card as long as it ws the one on top. Mine main concern would be if it got torn off. The KIT's jack will pop out, but what would happen to the MHz? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 13:59:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15238 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 13:59:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA09250; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:43:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:43:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA09234; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:43:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199401261943.OAA09234@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: I bought one To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 11:43:32 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9401261734.AA00614@kentucky>; from "Stanley Wasserman" at Jan 26, 94 11:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > I phoned First Source, and they are going to send me another DRAM card, the > same as before. They clearly state that the 700's and 750's use the > same 8MB cards. > If the new one does not work, I will call Tech Support, and complain. I think a lot of us stumbled upon a pretty good memory vendor in First Source if they let you return the card with that little hassle. One thing I noticed when I plugged in my memory card was that it takes a lot more force than I expected. You have to push it in, then keep pushing it in until it slowly goes in a little more. On mine the bottom edge of the card is flush with the end of the plastic guides on either side. For a while I was getting intermittent memory errors every time I moved the computer. Finally the computer reported only 4MB and it dawned upon me that it might not be plugged in all the way. (this is for the First Source/Paragon 8MB memory card so the plastic guides rule might not apply to other cards) > -->> I'm not sure what error message 201 is, though. Found it in the POST (Power On Self Test) general diagnostics list: 2xx Memory (RAM) errors 201 Memory test failed 202 Memory address error 203 Memory address error I'll note I was getting 203 memory address errors when it was partially plugged in, along with a list of the addresses causing the problem. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 14:09:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20367 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:09:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA10420; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:56:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:56:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA10409; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:56:34 -0500 Received: from thor.fi.gs.com by tink.com (PMDF V4.2-14 #4085) id <01H851GR1POG8WWAWA@tink.com>; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 13:26:26 EST Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #3223) id <01H849C5RVQO8Y77Y0@gs.com>; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:50:28 EDT Received: from escher.psd.gs.com by paradev1 (4.1/Para2.1) id AA01033; Tue, 25 Jan 94 23:50:46 EST Received: by escher.psd.gs.com (4.1/Para2.1) id AA08400; Tue, 25 Jan 94 23:50:46 EST Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: padwad@psd.gs.com (Danny Padwa) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <9401260450.AA01033@paradev1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR >Also, anyone know about the Megahertz PCMCIA 14.4 modem? I heard they >have a new one w/ the 16550 UART in it ^_^. Anybody gotten their hands >on one? Is the AT&T one better in terums of performance (though I'd miss >the X-Jack) ^--remove... I've got one (using it right now to compose this message). Works fine so far. I haven't tried receiving faxes, so I can't comment on that. Never tried the AT&T, but the need for the external thingie with the Mhz (to connect to the phone jack) is a bit of a pain. But then again, I can connect/disconnect it with the PCMCIA cover on, which is a win. A couple of other uestions while I'm writing: Audio drivers. The DOS driver works fine (makes the demo much cooler) but the windows one (as installed straight from the floppy) complains that the IRQ entry in the CS48BA11.INI file is missing or invalid. It is missing....what should it look like?? What is the latest version of the audio driver?? Also, could anyone tell me the sequence of drivers needed to run an IBM credit card Ethernet adapter with the 750?? The drivers I have loaded for the Megahertz modem don't seem compatible. Even without them, various permutations of the various IBM drivers don't seem to work. Any guidance?? Thanx, Danny Padwa padwad@psd.gs.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 14:31:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00964 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:31:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11508; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:08:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:08:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11499; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:08:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA12275 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:08:24 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from chort.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from chort.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.chort.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.chort.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:06:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:06:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: intel PCMCIA 14.4/14.4 Status: OR With all this talk about modems going around, I suddenly realized I have no idea if my intel card has a 16550 or 16450 UART.. anyone know? And while I'm writing: Anyone found any incompatibilities in the video drivers for the 750 mono? I tried playing a game called OXYD (I admit it -- I play games) and the gameplay was fine, but the program obviously puts the screen in some strange mode. It looks like what's happening is a 640x400 screen rez, in the upper part of the screen. It's using another page to pre-load graphics. Problem is, that other page (or at least the top 80 pixels) is getting displayed on the the lower part of my mono screen. This doesn't occur when I'm hooked to an external monitor. It's distracting, but doesn't effect play. I'm taking a wild guess this is mode X, and I'll go grab a couple of other games which use it to see if I'm correct.. in the meantime, any comments? -Andrew From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 14:39:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04922 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:39:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA13253; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:29:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:29:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA13156; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:28:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199401262028.PAA13156@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: intel PCMCIA 14.4/14.4 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:28:49 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: ; from "Andrew A. Houghton" at Jan 26, 94 3:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > With all this talk about modems going around, I suddenly realized I > have no idea if my intel card has a 16550 or 16450 UART.. anyone > know? Do: AT&T, Practical Peripherals Don't: MegaHertz Maybe: Intel, USRobotics (these two report a 16450 to when I asked a person at PC Connection to try it out) > And while I'm writing: Anyone found any incompatibilities in the > video drivers for the 750 mono? I tried playing a game called OXYD (I > admit it -- I play games) and the gameplay was fine, but the program > obviously puts the screen in some strange mode. I've run into a plethora of game video problems, all very inconsistent. Some will run on the LCD, others on CRT, some on both, some on neither. Some will run under OS/2, others under DOS, some on both, some on neither. I've yet to find a pattern. I was running SideKick for a while, but it did something really weird to the video under OS/2 (I swear it looked like a CRT does when it's at the wrong synch frequency).